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May 31, 2016 - Project Camelot
01:16:06
CATHI MORGAN - MK ULTRA UK - EDITED FOR SOUND
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Thank you.
world.
Kathy, say hello to everyone.
Hi everyone, hi Keri.
Okay, great.
So I've got a short description of who you are.
I'm going to read that briefly here and then I'm going to ask you to talk a little bit about yourself.
So just bear with me while I go through this one moment.
Okay, so Kathy Morgan, she shares her research into UK mind control from a personal perspective in an attempt to stimulate research and discussion of the topic.
And she is exploring her own background.
And in the process has uncovered links to MKUltra as well as a covert research program related to post-World War II eugenic population studies.
Kathy was initially a homemaker, an earth mother, as she calls herself, and an ABM voluntary breastfeeding counselor and cares for her child with cerebral palsy.
And we have a couple links to a WordPress site for her where you can learn more on my website.
But let me welcome Kathy Morgan.
And Kathy, it's great to have you on the show.
We met a couple years ago at the BASIS conference and I wanted to bring you on even then.
It's taken a while.
I'm so glad we finally got in touch and were able to do this.
Yes, me too.
And two years down the line, the research is just gelling together much more anyway, so it's not a bad thing really to wait, I think, to this point.
Yeah.
I feel like the research has really come together just recently, actually.
Okay.
Why don't you give yourself a bit of an introduction so people can understand really how MKUltra entered your life and let's start from there.
Okay.
Well, I'd heard about MKUltra in America and had kind of alarm bells going off about my own life, although I had no facts as to why that would be.
It was very strong.
So I began to investigate my own life because I was quite a live-for-the-moment type of person, very busy, mum, housewife, never even considered anything about my past.
Also, I had no knowledge of politics or history or any such thing either, no interest in such.
However, when I began to look at my own life, the clues were coming fast and furious.
As they would when there is something to find, then there's lots to find, and there's lots to find.
Okay, I have lost your picture there.
Are you back?
Yeah.
So, I slowly started researching as much as I could possibly remember from my own past, which included being part of a population study, which I'd never had any alarm bells about previously.
Until I found out that the people in the survey were not contacted until the age of six, whereas my twin and myself were visited by doctors every three months from birth.
So that was a good area to research as to what might have been going on.
And I kind of got to the bottom of this NCDS now in terms of the people that were organizing.
It went to a very high level in the British government.
They were zoologists.
Mainly, the people had connections with zoology and had done immense, intense studies on animals previous to these eugenics studies.
They were also big in the eugenics society in the UK. So now how it links to MKUltra.
I felt certain that there would be some crossover with MKUltra because of my later experiences with the counterculture and LSD and my partner.
So the first link to MKUltra I came across was with my actual partner.
My husband, who I had two children with, and he has a godfather who started a foundation with Arthur Kostler and another chap called Instone Bloomfield.
The foundation is called K-I-B. It's Kostler in English, his name is Brighton English, and Bloomfield.
And Bloomfield is described by Andre Pajares as his close friend.
So, there is my kind of, you know, I'm pretty convinced that he was also part of the NKL for a different program perhaps we brought together.
He was also in San Francisco in the early 60s with his family for a number of years.
Other links to NK Ultra have come through looking at the people around my family and around this survey and around places we want to live.
Okay, we're having a little bit of audio troubles, so I hope that, you know, it'll go away.
But at any rate, it's a very interesting link-up with Pluharik that you have made.
And I also want you to explain how did you know that there was something going on with you and your family?
What were the signs?
My memory...
I'm fairly blank around the examinations of the doctors.
However, I've had this extraordinary Kundalini experience as a teenager, at a festival, a connection with thought, a very religious experience I had for myself.
I was very moved by it.
It seemed to come with a sort of form of a UFO attached to it, which at the time was a bit strange to me because I had no interest in UFOs and I was thinking, why is this association with a UFO in this experience?
So I kept this experience in mind throughout the rest of my life.
It came with insights into planet, non-nuclear, Not using nuclear energy, not to be attached to materialism, to be very much in contact with the Earth.
And it seems unique to me, but that is not unique.
I have since discovered those themes that come through contactee experiences.
So I felt that that was very important.
I tried at the time to tell people about it, but there was no real understanding at that time of channeling amongst the people I was with, so I think they just sort of politely ignored me.
My first husband was with me at that time, and I've since traced the origins of those festivals, which were three festivals in the UK, which was the kind of counterculture in the UK Centred around these free festivals at Stonehenge and at Glastonbury before they were paid.
And there were smaller festivals around the country.
And so I do believe that I want to look into that area in much more detail.
However, I've been looking around my grandparents' time and my parents' time and my early childhood.
That is what I've been focusing on very intensely up to now.
You know, the latest stuff I am going to address very soon, actually.
I'm finding such closure here now on the early stuff.
Now, the names of the people and the connections are just incredible.
Okay, so what you do is you seem to follow the links in terms of Information that came through to your family and, I guess, doctor visits that you had.
Is that correct?
And then you're talking about a kundalini experience.
I'm not sure how that relates.
That seems like a natural occurrence.
But maybe you could explain what you had when you were referring to it.
Delaney experience and how that relates to the MKUltra.
Yes, I think I was subject to some targeting at that time via electromagnetic, some sort of electromagnetic targeted energy because On the way to the festival,
we were going past where the research center is at the Appleson Laboratories, Harwell, and right past them, there was lightning everywhere all around on every horizon, spot lightning, and I was feeling very, very energized for no apparent reason, and I was even described as glowing.
Some stranger said, oh, that girl's glowing.
You know, it was like...
It didn't seem natural and I also experienced some voices for a brief period around that time too and this is why I want to look into this much more closely because I was living in squats and going to these festivals and I think that is an audience that was targeted for experimentation at that time.
However, before I wanted to look at that, which is the kind of crazy stuff to the general public, I wanted to get a very solid foundation of the background of my family and the very solid link to strangers' appearances earlier on so that I could then speak about the stuff which I don't have any of them.
And so I have done that.
Can you talk a little bit about the MKUltra and your family, exactly what were the link-ups?
What were the family lines and bloodlines, etc.?
And did you have, for example, did you have...
Incidences of madness or, you know, what was the manifestation of MKUltra in your family?
Right.
Well, going back, really, my mom...
My grandmother used to tell me that my mum was a twin, and my mum denied that she was a twin, but my grandmother said that the other twins were taking away at birth.
Now my mum just weighed three pounds when she was born, but she was born at home.
She survived perfectly well.
She was born on time at the date she was supposed to, which is totally congruent with being a twin.
Three pounds.
There was no developmental Problems at all.
She was just very tiny.
But to go to term and be very tiny like that, I can't think of really another explanation.
And the fact that my grandma used to tell me that she was a twin.
Now, none of this really registered with me as a child growing up.
I put all these facts together.
My mum and my grandad were gaslighting my grandma and saying, no, you didn't have twins.
And I have my mum on video about talking about this, and the first thing she said is, oh, I was a twin.
And then she says, oh, no, no, I wasn't a twin.
You know, it's very, very strange.
And I have found in the National Archives a section where babies of that year, probably other years, I didn't look, there's a section of babies reported as stillborn, but the informant insists the baby was alive.
So it's not an unknown phenomenon.
Now, my grandmother, she went to a Catholic convent in Rochdale run by German refugee nuns.
And also attending that convent was a lady who went on to become Lady Morrison.
Who was the wife of the Jewish Prime Minister, eventually Herbert Morrison.
However, she was around my grandma at the time she gave birth to my mum, and because her best friend was next door, who was known by Auntie Winnie, who was very close to our family.
Auntie Winnie came to visit us as children when we moved to Bath, which I haven't talked about yet.
I find Lady Morrison's husband on panels with the people who designed the survey.
That we were part of on many of the panels.
Now we were moved down to Bath at the age of four.
My sister and I, my twin sister and I, which is 300 miles away.
And we were just three, less than four miles away from a deep underground base.
And the supercomputers are housed at that base at Korsham in Bath.
It's a big Admiralty city.
And although it was super at the time, it's been declassified, this big underground place just three miles away from our house.
Now, also meeting less than three miles away again is a board of the Bath Institute of Medical Engineering.
My neighbour, who lived a few dollars away, whose house we used to visit and go to parties, I played with his grandson and so on.
My neighbour was on this panel, so I had a look.
He was the MP for Bath at the time, Sir Edward Brown, Tory MP. And the other people on the panel just made me open my eyes and I couldn't believe it really.
There was a top eugenicist, for starters, which included At the time I was there, it included Edwin Darwin Barlow, who was a colleague of William Sargent at St.
Thomas's, who was also related.
His great-grandfather was Charles Darwin.
He was the chairman from the beginning of the founding of this institute.
The vice president was called Robert Platt, Lord Robert Platt, who was also...
Vice Chair of the Family Planning Association and also President of the Eugenics Society.
And there were other people there, interesting people, and interesting people donating and sponsoring this board.
So the board was sponsored by the Nuffield Foundation, who also sponsored the survey I was part of, which I joined at 300 miles away.
You know, it seemed bizarre that they would all be here.
People related to the design of the study.
Now, the chap who became president of that board in 1985, Sully Zuckerman, was very high up in operational bombing in the war, but he also did huge studies on chimpanzees and he also helped to design this Survey I was on, so he was connected to this Bath Institute.
So I found that, I really thought I was onto something there then when I found these people so closely connected with this survey.
Now how this manifested in my life, as a child in Bath, we were hothoused by my mum.
We were taught to read before we started school.
As we were twins, we started school in the Easter that we were four.
So we'd just turned three.
I mean, we'd been three.
At three, I was reading, because when I was on my way to school, I had a flashback of being in a car with a neighbour, picking up the newspaper on the back seat, and he said, is she really reading that?
And my mum said, yeah, I read it.
And I read it.
So I know I was reading at that age.
But my mum was very controlling, very cold, no emotions.
Everything was done in a sort of behavioural way.
Rewards.
There was no affection.
And she didn't even cook for us.
She just opened it in.
But she has.
So that was kind of strange, too.
Yeah.
I felt very much that something was wrong as a child.
So I ran away from home at six and at nine.
And then I ran away at 15, finally.
And went to London.
I got a job in a place called the Athenian Club in Pal-Mal as a 15-year-old runaway.
And now I'm finding a lot of these people are actually members of the Athenian Club too.
So it's strange.
Okay.
I also see that you do have a web page here and I'm wondering if any of this is useful to show on the screen.
I have a mind map Okay.
Here, if I just put this up.
Oh, very good.
Yeah.
So here we have the Bath Institute here on the screen.
And this is the 1971 board.
This is some of the people.
70 to 71.
And we have this chap here, J.B. Wallace.
Now, he was a very eminent who was studying how to create abortions using electromagnetic radiation and waves.
J.B. Wallace here.
You know, he's American.
He's very big in the field.
We have here Ludwig Duckman, who was The chap who brought Jimmy Savile into Stoke Mandeville Hospital.
He's the guy that invited him in.
He's there.
There's Edie Barlow.
This guy here, G. Clarkson, doesn't have much going except he's the president of...
He's just said that he works at Dornay Day Bank.
However, when I looked at Dornay Day Bank, I find that my partner's godfather's friend, he was also a director of Dornay Day Bank, of one of the subsidiaries.
He's the chap that started a foundation with Kessler and Inglis, who was my partner's godfather there.
So that was quite bizarre, that he should have the connection with the bank as well.
Yes, absolutely.
Another thread I've been following was that my grandmother used to say that this is the connection with the Lady Moran.
My mum told me this, and I said, what was the connection?
She didn't know.
But when I looked at Lady Moran, I find she works at Pottenham Down.
And the most interesting character she's connected with is her tutor and colleague at Pottenham Down, Sir Joseph Barcraft, because he's co-authored and associated with many of the people, the names that have come up on the survey, very closely connected.
Now I'm trying to link all this into NK Ultra and Julian Huxley is becoming very prominent in this research now because many of the people I'm studying who's linked to the survey and to the Bath Institute were a member of a group called Tops and Quads which started in 1930 and it had on the board Sully Zuckerman,
Sir Herbert Morrison, Lord Herbert Morrison, the Lady Morrison's husband, Julian Hooksley, and other eugenics and very top scientists.
Okay.
I wanted to ask you, when you talk about MKUltra, what is your understanding about the purpose behind the links with your family?
Do you feel that they wanted to genetically engineer you or your family for a reason?
Do you feel that you have been altered in some way?
Quite possibly.
My feeling is Because of the twin being taken away, initially they were looking at the nature-nurture hereditary situation.
So they're trying to establish that there's an elite group of humans who are superior and then there are the masses which contain inferior people.
And they kind of want to prove that they are superior, these two genesis.
If they take a twin and they can bring it up separately, they think they can determine what qualities are genetic and what are about the nurturing and the upbringing.
It's the ideal situation for them.
And I've come to feel this in part because my granddad's sister was actually taken away from his family and brought up down south.
So she could have a good education.
And it turns out she had a son who became a defense research scientist, a brilliant mathematician, working on the Blue Streak rocket and the Black Knight rocket, the UK space program and nuclear program.
But he also went on to reorganize the defense services with Thatcher.
And he chaired a Commonwealth Conference in Australia.
So I feel that they were trying to actually engineer mathematicians and engineers and other public careers.
That's my feeling now you know about it.
And that we were given, we were brought down to Bath and given an amazing education at the Catholic school.
But we were sort of a straw box and Latin and white gloves and languages.
And then at the age of 11, we were sent back to Rochdale, the sort of quite poor working class town where we'd originated from.
And now I find out that the chap called J.W.B. Douglas, who implemented the survey, was doing a lot of research around trauma in children and how it affects them up until the age of 11 and then what they take after that.
He's actually got studies describing that's what he's looking at.
He was also looking at juvenile delinquents and delinquency.
Can you explain why you were a part of a survey?
What was going on there?
Did you volunteer for the survey?
What are the parameters?
Did your family volunteer?
Was this something you were not aware of and then you became aware of?
Could you talk about that?
I've always been aware that we were part of it, and it's a survey that surveys the whole population.
So what they decided was that everyone born in a particular week, which was the week I was born in, in 1958, would be automatically signed up to the survey.
So that was 17,000 children in the UK, and it was financed by the The Nuffield Foundation, as I say, and also the Bustay Trust Fund.
So I looked into it and found that there were three surveys 12 years apart.
So the previous one had been in 1946, and that was actually funded by the Eugenics Society.
But as they tried to cover their tracks and hide their name and become respectable, you know, By 58, they were no longer the UGEN society.
However, they're very much involved still in the surveys.
Now, the documentation for the survey says that the parents were given a questionnaire at birth, and then the first follow-up was at the age of six.
So I said to my parents, how often were we visited?
And my dad said, at least every three months from birth.
Yeah.
So I'd always known we were part of the study.
I never questioned it until now, you know.
Now I'm looking into it.
It's all very strange.
And my dad, when I spoke to him about it, I said, well, when's the last time you saw these doctors?
And he said, 2003, they came to visit my parents.
So now I found out that there was a study of the parents of a small number of doctors.
I'm reluctant to ring the organisation myself at this point and say, what was the score?
Why were we visited?
Because I don't want records to disappear or anything.
I want to be absolutely ready when I do call because I have to make that call at some point.
But I want to dig around and find more facts so that they don't just brush me off.
In fact, I feel kind of scared to ring them in that way, actually.
I have no memories of the visits with the doctors except one which was in the square in the center of Bath.
We must have been around five and I remember we'd been taken for one of these visits and on our way out I have no memory of what happened in the visit, but on our way out, one of the doctors spotted that my sister had a vein in the back of her leg sticking out, and he said, oh, come back, come back here.
I just want the girls to run up and down the corridor to see if that vein stands out more.
It looks like she's got a virus of vein there.
Now, it seems that we'd come out of the room, and whatever had happened was blank, and then I remember him saying that, and I remember her running up and down the corridor, and then we left.
So it's almost like whatever happened in these interviews is completely blank.
But not that big once we got outside the door.
So that's a bit of a strange thing for me too.
What about your sister?
Does your sister remember?
I spoke to some extent with my sister.
We were a very dysfunctional family in many ways because of the coldness and the hidden things.
And we couldn't get away fast enough, all three of us girls, my twin sister and my younger sister.
So there was a big break between communicating with each other.
But I did start visiting her at one time, and it turned out that her husband had started working under the official secret fact at some point in his career.
And they'd taken him out into the car and said, we know about your family.
They're all okay.
We know about Bath.
We know about you, wife.
We know about Bath.
And, you know, we want to ask you this.
I think it was British Aerospace, and he accepted.
But I never queried him as to what do they mean about Bath.
But he's passed away now, unfortunately.
I cannot ask him.
However, I know he was blocking me from finding information because he was trying to protect his family.
Because his daughter said to me, oh, we were both doing family trees.
And she said, oh, have you come across John Cockroft yet?
And I said, no.
She said, well, oh, we're related.
My dad's related to John Cockroft.
And her dad looked at her and she said, oh, was I not supposed to say that?
So he was obviously blocking information from me.
So John Cockroft, again, comes up in these groups that are meeting these panels.
Very big on atomic research.
I think he's got a Nobel Prize, was the first person to split the atoms in the UK. There's more links there, really.
Okay, so is it your thought that the background in aerospace, black projects possibly, you know, in other words, do you feel that your family was being tracked and groomed to, I guess, contribute to the bloodline that would then go to work in these certain areas?
Yeah.
But in your case, I don't know about your immediate family, your brothers and sisters, did they end up working in these areas or not?
No.
I feel that in the past, the twin being taken away and the cousin who was taken away, that that was the case, that they were Groomed to work in the project.
He was very bright.
He went to Cambridge at 17 to do his degree because he was so bright.
We were supposed to be very bright, but we were just, I think, put into this experiment as to what happens if you take very bright children and then something happens and then they don't get the opportunities.
That would make it easy for them.
How do they do it?
One of us was sexually abused by my father and the other one wasn't.
That was me, I was, and she wasn't, too.
So I'm wondering if it wasn't a sort of Kinsey-esque experiment as to, oh, well, what happens if one is, you know, one twin is sexually abused, what happens to her?
And we had a completely different life.
That twin had a very settled life with one husband, whereas I lived in about 40 places, traveled around the country, never settled.
You know, we were very different.
Yeah.
So in terms of the Germans, do you have a background that relates also?
Have you gone back and looked into, you know, you talked about World War II, but what about, you know, Nazi Germany and the links there with your family and with any programs to do with that?
Right.
Well, this chap, Joseph Barker asked, He was a sailing buddy with a chap called Sir Henry Dale and Sir Henry Dale also turns up on the Tots and Cots panel.
Henry Dale worked with He worked with the German doctors that were brought over before the war, the Jewish refugee doctors.
He was instrumental in bringing them in.
He advocated for them.
He brought them in.
And he also brought in doctors after the war who had very questionable associations with the Nazi program.
So he's right in there, really, with being a friend and school friend of Joseph Barcroft.
So he's kind of in the picture.
Now, personally, my own life, not Germany, but my grandfather, his father was Swiss.
I spoke German, so he's from Germany.
I've even got suspicions that he was actually possibly even Austrian, not Swiss.
That was a story going on here about refugees and war and having to lie.
Because my granddad was very, he was part of the home guard, but he was known as the German from New Hay.
And it must have been quite scary for them as a family to have that thinking of during the war.
I'm very curious.
I've tried to check his father, but it's not been easy.
I haven't got very far.
He arrived in London and he married my grandma's He married my granddad's mum, who'd already got several children, and moved to Leeds with them, but he died in his 40s.
So I'm still looking into him, and if there was any connection with, I think maybe possibly, scientists or doctors.
Anyway, that remains to be looked into.
Okay, yes, I would think so.
It is very interesting that you've traced all of these connections with these sort of major players in and around eugenics, in and around MKUltra.
Do you feel that you yourself, have you ever had been regressed, for example, into a past life and gotten any information in that regard?
No, I haven't yet.
That opportunity hasn't arisen for me, so that would be something I'd be very interested in looking into.
Strangely, our house in Bath was built on the land of a mansion that was frequented by Mary Queen of Tech in the 30s, and my great My maternal grandfather's parents worked for...
His dad worked for the jewelers for Mary Queen of Tech and his mum, the grandma, worked for the dressmaker for Mary Queen of Tech.
So it could go back in both sides of the family.
It could have, you know, earmarchers following.
In terms of bloodline, I don't know about my grandma's...
Side of the family, but my dad's family, people totally unrelated to this research have contacted me because they've identified that this, he was called Tillotson, Walter Tillotson, and that the Tillotsons join into the bloodline that's linked with Charlemagne and William of Orange, and I think it's like the Meridian sort of bloodline.
If you look at our family tree and look at his It's a male line, it goes back to John Tillotson, James Tillotson, Tillotson, and then to Bishop Tillotson, who links into this bloodline.
So, I think they experiment on the sort of obscure branches of the bloodlines that they keep the check of, and then they can use them for experimentation.
That's my feeling, you know.
Okay.
You know, there is a link up with the notion of twins in MKUltra, which I'm sure you're aware of.
So you're a twin and you're saying that you're, I believe you said your mother, you know, on the one hand says she's a twin and somehow she doesn't, then she says she's not.
So somehow if she has a twin, the twin disappeared.
Is that right?
That's right, yeah.
My grandmother used to tell me that my mom was a twin when I was a child.
It's quite strange that my grandma's saying this and then the rest of the family is saying, oh no, no, no.
Yeah, very interesting.
But what about, are you aware of that the MKUltra often targets twins?
I hadn't come across the experiments with the twins via MKUltra, no, no.
I hadn't been where I fly.
Okay, that's actually, well, it's known in circles that I've traveled in that, you know, twins, there's something very strange about genetic engineering and twins, and also whether they're sort of identical twins or not identical twins, all of that kind of thing.
Yes.
Anyway, there are studies about that you could look into if you're interested.
Yeah, I will.
I've been very focused on the UK simply because I knew I had to keep focused on the UK because it's so tempting to look at the American stuff and there's so much more of it, it's so much easier, but I knew that this is what I had to do, look at the UK just because nobody was doing that.
That's what I knew about.
Yeah, we weren't identical, which is why I think it was a nature-nurture type research rather than genetic, in my case, because we weren't identical.
I see.
Okay.
In terms of the bigger picture, you know, if you wrap your own research into, have you tried to look at the history of MKUltra in Britain?
And have you traced it back to the Tavistock Institute and before?
Yes.
What I'm seeing really is that in Britain, it wasn't...
That there were a lot of eugenic population type studies that were in the academic sphere.
A lot more of it was in the published academic research as opposed to the very secret stuff that was done on MKUltra that was very covert and extreme.
The extreme stuff seems to be published here, you know, in terms of the psychiatrists.
There's no shame as to what they were doing in terms of LSD and lobotomies and so on.
That is all published and respectable, so-called.
So I think it played out differently here.
I think it was a much more eugenic thing.
I think it was much more looking at applying it to populations en masse.
And that's what was going on in England.
But I've identified some of the players that were involved in MK Otter that then came back to England and worked.
So this Joseph Barcraft, his student and colleague later, William Gray Walter, attended the Macy conferences, the Cybernetic Macy conferences.
He also performed the first lobotomy at the behest of William Sargent at Barnwood Hospital.
He was associated with the Neurological Institute near Bath, actually, and then colleagues One called D. Barron, who we co-authored with, attended the Cybernific Macy Conferences stopped in 1953, but then there were the Gestational Macy Conferences, which started in 1954, and they were also run by Frank Sermont Smith, and Barcroft's colleagues, several of his colleagues, attended those.
So, this embryology seems to have been part and parcel of this of the research.
So what I'm seeing is that they were pulling together all areas of psychiatry, of chemistry, of endocrinology, and trying to establish exactly and precisely how the human being ticks in every aspect.
This is what we've been doing.
And the NK also went deeper.
It was a secret Um, nefarious experiment.
Perhaps not so much of that deep stress was done.
I don't know.
I haven't come across that in England yet.
Except James Castle.
But then he was connected more with America.
Um, he's the only person, really, who spoke about the level of experimentation that you would get.
An Impay Ultra, the traumatisation, particularly murdering another child in front of him, and so on.
I haven't come across anything that extreme yet.
Okay, well, what about the notion of, let's see, you know, there are a lot of, you know, there were prisons and workhouses and people put into prisons that then went into prisons.
Insane asylums in the 1900s who weren't actually insane and so on.
Did you ever go back that far in your family line, you know, to look at that sort of a link-up to see if there were any people that ended up in any of the asylums, so to speak?
Not really, no.
I did pick up somebody on my granddad's side that seems to have been in an insane asylum, a woman in her late years, perhaps 70s or 80s, a zender, which my granddad was called Zender, that seems to have been connecting with my family, but I never really pursued that much, but I think my subscription ran out to Amcestry.com and then I went off on a different tack.
However, My own son, there's some very strange events around my own son who died when he was 26 and was taken into hospital, diagnosed with schizophrenia.
However, you see, I think he was being set up as a possible patsy, because where we lived, just a few hundred yards away, there was a boy his own age who went on to become the Rochdale Ripper, who murdered girls.
And I don't think it's a coincidence because I'm sure there's some nefarious thing happened with him right from the start because I was, you know, I was from Rochdale and we lived in Bath but I happened to go to have my first baby in London and I went to Hammersmith Hospital not knowing that Joseph Barkoff was majorly associated with Hammersmith Hospital and the consultant I had.
Hugh Jolly was a student and later a colleague of Barcroft and he was my consultant.
Martin was born.
I was attracted to that hospital because they did natural births.
They were supposed to do these natural.
The boy births was a bit low light, low sound.
But when he was born, he was very alert and he made his way to the nipple on his own.
And then they took him away and then when they brought him back, he was all shut down.
And then I had absolute problems with him for the rest of his life.
Then, right from being little.
And of course, his dad just seems to be a very much part of some program too, in the museum and the health and stuff.
So that was what I took, actually.
What about, have you heard of Dr. Greene?
Green?
Oh, and he's been reading about NK-Ultra literature by, I think, Colin Ross and the people who have researched and written about it.
So, I'm going to pursue this now.
I found this.
Henry Dale and his associations with this type of paperclip scenario.
Now, I'm going to look very deeply into him now and see if I can find who else he was bringing in and what they got up to afterwards.
Up to now, I know there's a chap called Wolf, who was working on the OP chemicals, drugs, So the organophosphate stuff, which there's a big blur because they were used both in insecticides and in poisonous gases.
So there's always a blur about was it gas, was it insecticide that they were working on.
But it seems pretty clear that he was present at atrocities in Germany.
But he also brought over A woman called Martha Vogt, who was looking at a substance called acid choline, which seems to be related to a lot of this research.
They seem to have looked at the LSD and the interactions it caused in the brain and then found other substances that came from it, like something called 5-HG, and they were researching that very majorly.
But researching chemicals and consciousness changing chemicals and so on.
After bringing over these Jewish refugee doctors in 1930s, then the First World War began and they all moved into food supply, centralizing the food supply because of war.
So the endocrinologist takes over the milk production and they're taking over production of all the food in the herds.
Now, Strangely, it was the Ministry of Agriculture and Fisheries, and Barcroft was part of it.
The records, the village I was living in, in Bath, called Wainswick, was actually owned by Oriel College, Oxford.
And the Ministry of Fisheries records were kept, and it says in the National Archives, Wainswick's Oriel College, Ministry of Agriculture and Fisheries.
It's like we were being herded, literally.
Herds.
They were taking care of the herds.
So what about the Rothschilds?
Have you looked into the Rothschilds and their link to MKUltra?
I haven't so much.
Everyone keeps mentioning the Rothschilds.
They come up everywhere.
There was a Rothschild that donated to the Bath Institute But he wasn't a well-known Rothschild, or at least not as well-known.
He seems to have been airbrushed, actually, out of the internet.
And he was called H.S. Rothschild.
And I had to really look for a H.S. Rothschild.
And I found one, and he was a producer for Arrow Productions, who made a lot of early movies.
And...
The only reason he's still got a presence on the internet is because he married two very well-loved actresses, the second of which was called Alison Ames.
And she was present with Poharic at the Council of Nine channeling along with Gene Rodenberry.
So that was kind of like a very close link there.
Yeah, I need to look more into him.
But the actual other Rothschilds, I think they were linked, the families were linked and he was a millionaire already, he was an oil tycoon and he owned tobacco company before he became a producer so he was very influential but you barely find him online.
Okay, so I am aware of the Giza 9, and I think the Pluharik link-up is very interesting.
As it happens, there is a connection also, believe it or not, with the Kennedy assassination and the Giza 9, as I found out through an interesting conversation I had with Peter Lavenda.
I saw that.
On the air.
And I think that there is something very interesting about all of that.
I wonder if you looked into, in other words, you're linking Pluharik, but what exactly do you think his role was, or do you have any idea?
I have a suspicion that Because it's known that he was working with implanting suggestions, electromagnetic with electrons with waves into people's minds, because he was doing that work and he was running the Council of Nine, I'm very suspicious that the Council of Nine wasn't fake, actually.
Now, I'm not saying that all channels are fake by any means.
My feeling is it's probably very powerful and very real and that they wanted to Take control of it or use it to influence people, to do things.
And I do feel my father was actually influenced somehow, some way to do the sexual abuse.
Now, whether he was bribed or blackmailed or influenced without his knowledge, I don't know.
But I feel there's something there.
What line of work was he in, your father?
He was just a maintenance engineer in factories.
He'd take care of the machinery in these big factories.
But then he got this job as an assistant manager in Bath.
And he's a bit hazy about how he got the job.
He said, oh, I think your mum saw the job.
And then my mum said, oh, no, you probably saw it in the paper.
That's a bit hazy, but he got the job and we moved down there.
And the house was owned by his new employers called E. Bailey& Son, which was a molster for brewing beer.
Now, the year we left, the following year after we left, the people who owned that company, the Association of British Molsters, Sir Peter Parker became...
I was a director of it.
Peter Parker was a chap who was at one time chairman of British Rail.
He did bring Jimmy Savile into the British Rail advertising campaign himself.
He's pictures of Jimmy Savile.
But he was also very close to Prince Philip via the organizing commonwealth education.
Yeah, so he's quite high caliber.
Interestingly, his wife was a founder member of the British False Memory Association.
And I know that there's links with M.K. Ultra and the association in America.
That's very interesting.
There's also possible, obviously, links with what we call Manchurian candidates and false flags.
You know, I'm sure you've seen that sort of connection.
Oh, yes.
Yeah.
I think my son was, that was, it was something along those Manchurian candidate lines that was happening to my son.
However, I haven't really talked much about him at all.
It was very traumatic for me, so I will go there.
Yeah.
I have met Two other people now from the same area that we were moved to who were also moved to that area and strange things happened along these same lanes.
Do you have what they call incidents of missing time in your own life or do you know of family members that might have any of those experiences?
No.
What I found was, as an adult, I had no memory of my life whatsoever, and I had to really try and sit down with a pen and paper months trying to check how my life had turned out, the course of my life.
But I don't have any of the classic sort of missing time, an hour here or three hours there or anything like that.
No, I don't.
And nobody else does in the family that I know of.
Okay, so is there anything that you want to talk about that, you know, specific to this discussion that we're having that maybe we haven't touched on or that you want to add to the discussion?
We do have a chat room, so we can also take questions from the chat if you're interested.
But I wanted to give you a chance to bring up some topics yourself in terms of this and maybe where you're going with it in the future.
Right.
Well, there is one thing I discovered not so long ago, which I found absolutely fascinating, and that was the origin of the Nuffield Foundation itself, which has been so prominent in the church.
And I discovered that Lord Nuffield was also known as William Morris, and he was hugely wealthy.
He produced the first cars, and he had a huge amount of money.
And he was cultivated by the medical community, he was a philanthropist, and he donated, he was persuaded, it says in the history, to donate the equivalent of 700 million now to start up these Nuffield institutions in Oxford.
And there was a tower called the Radcliffe Observatory, also known as the Tower of the Winds, and that's where they started it.
And the Tower of the Wind was built in the late 1700s to chart Venus across the Sun so the British Empire could make better nautical instruments to take over the world and colonize.
Now, in 1935, Lord Nuffield bought the building, the astronomers were still in it, and the embryologists moved in and they started bringing animals into it and cutting up all these pieces, looking at every aspect of it.
The funding came from Lord Nuffield but it also came from Barclays Bank.
A chap called William Goodenough was chairman of Barclays Bank and he was involved with the negotiations as was the surgeon to the king who I think was called William Farquhar Buzzard and they started this here and then the astronomers were there for a year while they were still while the embryologists were there and then the astronomers moved to Bath you know And I think that is almost symbolic and I think there's possibly the Illuminati type
stuff going on around this exploration of the human baby, the embryo, every single aspect of it.
I think it's very It's very nefarious and I did notice in some of the histories that there seems to be some alarm in other quarters of the medical community about the way some of this is going.
But this Newfield institution and foundation ended up Really bringing in the National Health Service and particularly the midwife's practices.
So after totally studying the embryo and being fully aware that, you know, the blood in the cord ought to be going into the baby and not cut immediately, they then instruct midwife to cut the cord immediately, which is almost like an attack against humanity.
That's a very interesting link-up.
In your own life, what is your background in terms of the kind of work you've done?
You say you're a homemaker and it almost sounds like you worked in the health profession in some way.
No, I've always been drawn to alternative healing, but I ran away from home and I was an independent thinker always and never really settled into looking for other people.
You know, it just seems wrong to give all my time for them to exploit as it was.
But I did, I had my family.
I worked in a range of sort of just menial jobs and jobs chart for a little while and then I got to festivals and medicine.
Yeah, that's some other job and then go abroad and so on.
I didn't have a career as such.
But after my family, in, I think it's 2000, I got a degree in music and then I went on to teach at the local college.
I actually taught IT. I had a career for three years doing IT. But personally, I'm not a career person really.
My time is much more important to me than money and if I can get by and That's what I want, although I do want to contribute to the great herd of humanity, but in a very real sense, not by working in a college.
Right, and that's absolutely, that's great.
So in terms of anything else, you want to talk about this sort of trajectory that you're on and where you might be going in the near future with all of it?
Because I see that your research is getting out there.
People are starting to sit up and take notice.
So where would you be going now?
Yeah, I think a book is in the offing because it's so detailed and there's so much in there that I haven't even brought in.
It's so detailed and complex but interesting and I have to put it in a book because Because of the sheer detail of it all.
For example, Lord Nuffield was being blackmailed.
For example, Lord Nuffield, somebody's come out to say that he abused them in a hospital when she was a child.
There's just lots and lots of stuff like that that is so important to the picture.
So a book and to continue.
to publish ongoingly what I'm finding because as you say in England people are taking notice because nobody's done this really before in such a sustained way and everyone is going well what did happen in the UK so I'll carry on with this yeah great now let me look I'm gonna look if you don't mind at the chat and see what kind of questions people are coming up with So,
if you have questions, you could put them in all caps in the chat and I will try to skim through this.
Someone wants to know who Christopher Cartwell is.
Do you know that name?
No.
No, I don't.
Okay.
Let's see.
Um, okay.
I'm looking to see if there's any other questions.
So let me just put the call out right now that if you have a question, that you do put it in all caps and do it sort of as soon as possible.
Someone...
I guess the last name is Cantwell.
Does that ring a bell?
Someone's asking about a Christopher Cantwell, they're saying.
No, but I'll make a note of it and have a look.
All right.
And let's see.
Aspartame, somebody's saying something about aspartame, you know, that additive to food.
Have you gotten into anything related to that?
Not aspartame yet, but I believe that when they looked into the chemistry of the brain and identified certain substances and then became in control of the food supply, I think that they were trying different substances in food as an experimentation on the protein.
Yes, I agree with you, especially since the 1950s, during that time.
It seems that there were a lot of additives, and I guess even today there's quite a few additives, especially in over-processed food, that we may not even know what they do.
Yeah.
Okay, so let me see if there's anything else over here that we can really grab onto.
Otherwise...
One thing I do want to know is whether or not, you know, you mentioned there was sort of a link-up in some way with UFOs, but then you said you had no interest.
So did you end up having sightings, or what happened with all of that?
Yeah, at 17 I had no interest, or I hadn't had any exposure to the subject, but I didn't take an interest in it until I met someone, it would have been 1987 or 88, who was an early abductee who'd had a classic abduction experience.
And at that point I looked into UFOs very deeply and into abduction.
So I did become aware of it, of the phenomenon.
I've had Although they were just lights in the distance that sort of merged and separated.
And then I had a sighting of a small triangular crest.
But I think they were man-made.
Okay.
What about abduction scenarios?
Have you ever had any of those in your life?
Or actually, your family, do you recall anything of that nature?
No.
No.
I had a contact tea, what I think the Kundalini experience seemed to be like a contact tea experience as well at the festival.
However, when I discovered about MKUltra, so my first thought was that it was religious.
My second thought, after a few years of finding out about UFOs, was that it was a contact tea experience.
But then I found out about MKUltra and thought, well, I'm going to hold judgment on this, which one it is.
Whether it's UFO or Yes, well Kundalini I mean is of course in the East is very well researched.
It's not so much on the West obviously and And this is something the West basically is learning more and more about.
So it is an important aspect of development of the human being and also obviously enlightenment and call it what you will.
So it is interesting that you do feel that you've had what we call a kundalini activation process.
And I wonder, do you feel that you've had, for example, I personally have kundalini activation and have had what is called multiple samadhi experiences since then.
And that's, you know, that's like putting yourself into sort of a bliss state.
And it can come on...
Unexpectedly as well.
So have you had a revisitation of this kind of experience?
I never did have anything since that time.
So this is another reason that made me suspicious that it was artificial, you know.
Uh-huh.
Yeah, I think it was natural.
It would have been repeated.
Sure.
Well, it depends if you develop it or not.
That's part of the process.
But if you were young, then you can also have spontaneous activation.
That can also just be a natural thing that happens.
To you if you're in the right developmental stage and you also have the right energy and vibration to allow for that to happen.
But then if you don't develop it, it can actually dissipate.
So it is interesting.
It can be something that happens around...
You said you were going to concerts and so on.
This is a music...
It can be stimulated by music, as a matter of fact.
Right.
Let's see.
I'm looking again in the chat here just to make sure that there's no questions that I'm missing.
It's a bit difficult to kind of scan through here amid the chat and find actual questions.
So bear with me one second while I just look into this.
No, I don't think so.
Someone is talking about the link between mental illness, mind control, programming, handlers, and agents.
Have you gone down that road at all?
Well, I did start by looking into psychiatry to try and find what happened.
I looked into the psychiatric establishment and saw how tied up it was in the U.S. And I noted that somebody who was working in, I think it's Queens Hospital in Washington, Dr.
Joseph Elks, came back to England and opened an LSD clinic in the UK. And there were several LSD clinics.
So that was interesting.
But I haven't had, apart from my son, I haven't had any contacts.
Myself, personally, with any mental health services, or really anything to do with doctors who I don't rate very highly.
I'm afraid I take care of my own health and always have done.
I do have a great amount of respect to hands-on surgeons and bone healers, if you like, and so on, but not, I think, not for medical medications.
I'm more of a nature girl, you know?
Yeah, but the mental hospitals, it does seem, I mean, when you look at the DSM, and that's international, and the way they describe anything that's not robotic, really, is a mental illness, you know, symptom of a mental illness, so it's really connected.
Yes, obviously that's a fascinating area.
the fact that again that individuals can be imprisoned for what is so-called mental illness when they're actually just utilizing beyond the six senses and also artists if you're familiar with you know artists and being being yeah into prison and so on so
So I guess this is kind of like drawing to a close.
I'm not seeing any really specific questions beyond the ones I've tried to grab here.
And I appreciate, you know, I think everyone is quite fascinated by this topic.
And I do appreciate the research that you've done.
I think it's great.
And I hope you continue.
And I know that everyone would like to kind of go on the journey with you and see what else you discover.
I do want to encourage you to look more into the whole twin aspect because I think that that's a very interesting link up.
Right.
Right.
Yes, I'm aware it's a very complex subject.
What I'm trying to do is quite complicated.
And I do find people don't formulate questions because it takes time to digest what I'm saying.
You know, when you get lots of names coming at you and you're unfamiliar, it's hard to take it on board and it takes a while to filter through.
So I'm used to people not asking questions because of the nature of the research being so...
But I think what I'll do is drill down into a lot of separate areas and go into them instead of being so wide and scattershot is to go into individual cases and look at them one at a time.
And I think that'll be easiest for people to, you know, then question, oh, what this, what about this, what about that?
Because I know it is complex.
Sure.
Absolutely.
Well, I can say that, you know, bloodlines, family bloodlines are very involved in these stories.
And obviously your family bloodline has been tapped, as you say, or, you know, through this kind of test, you know, survey or whatever you want to call that, that you were part of.
And there has to be a purpose behind it.
I'm determined to find it out.
Absolutely determined.
It's almost like in the science fiction movies, it's very common for the robot to want to go and meet its maker once it finds out what's going on.
And in a sense, that is almost like a metaphor for me finding out.
And then I have to know now, you know, I've got a burning desire.
I want to know everything.
Excellent.
Well, that's a great analogy.
Yeah.
So, very nice to have you on the show.
I hope we can keep in touch.
I'd like to find out more about your research as time goes on, so please do come back to me with your progress.
Sure.
I will, and thank you, Kerry, very much.
It's been great talking to you.
It's great to have some insight into some of what I'm on about, which you do have a huge understanding and knowledge.
Thank you.
Well, thank you.
And thanks, everyone, for listening.
And have a great weekend.
And I'll be back next week with some other interesting guests.
But, Kathy, have a great weekend yourself.
And thank you so much for your service to humanity and your diligence as a researcher.
Excellent.
Thank you.
Thank you, Keri.
You have a good weekend, too.
Okay.
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