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Feb. 3, 2016 - Project Camelot
02:00:57
JOHN EDMONDS REVISITED SOUND ADJUSTED - FULL VERSION
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Thank you.
Thank you.
Hi, everyone.
This is Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot, and I'm here with John Edmonds.
And as everyone knows, I've interviewed him a couple of times, and one time we actually went out to his ranch in person.
And that's...
All of those interviews are on my website as well as on my YouTube channel.
So if you need some background after you hear this broadcast, then you're welcome to go there.
And I'm going to...
Let's see.
Hi.
So it's going to be great to be talking to John, and he's here, so just...
Hold on one moment and let me bring him on the screen.
John, say hi to everyone.
Good evening.
Thank you for having me.
Absolutely.
Well, people had been asking me to bring you back onto the show, and I wanted to do that because I wanted people to be able to hear what is going on.
I think people are curious on the ongoing story and the changes and whatever might be going on since I was last there.
And I was there actually a few months ago.
It's actually been three or four months.
And...
You had written to me saying there were changes as well as Tommy Hawksblood contacted me saying there was more going on.
So I thought, you know, might as well bring you on and you can talk about the changes that are going on there and kind of where your head is at now as well as...
Well, on my website, there is a short sort of overview of tonight's discussion to some degree that John sent in ahead of time so people would have talking points, I think, and maybe be thinking of any questions that you have for John because another thing that happens with these interviews with you is that people want to ask you questions and...
Sometimes they send the questions to me and I forward them.
And I'm sure you've gotten a lot of correspondence.
So why don't you, first of all, I guess for the people that don't know who you are, if you can introduce yourself and say something about, you know, what you've been up to, what this story is about for you, and we'll go from there.
All right.
Yeah, I'm happy to do that.
We basically were in a situation here where we bought a ranch 19 years ago, thinking that it was just going to be a nice property to have a horse rescue and to, you know, just be a family ranch.
And unfortunately, we began to have a lot of weird, strange experiences literally from the first day that we were on the property.
And it's really never abated too much.
We discovered along the way that, for whatever reason, this ranch is very attractive to ETs and not friendly ETs, unfortunately.
And so over time, we began to have problems with what they call gray aliens.
And as much as we tried to deal with the situation, the situation just got worse and worse.
And we ended up being in a situation where my wife was being attacked by them.
My horses were being attacked by them.
The ranch in general was being attacked by them.
And it became a horrific experience because I work in mental health, or at least until recently I worked in mental health as a therapist and a counselor, and it's pretty difficult to run a private practice or any kind of practice really when you're in a position where You know, you're fighting ETs at home and then going out into the community to try to let everybody know how normal you are and what a great source you are for providing counseling and as a good role model.
And so in 2008, I retired from the profession and I ended up kind of dealing with this thing full time.
And gradually, eventually, we get to the point where we started reaching out for help, stopped being ashamed of the whole situation, and just decided to reach out into the UFO community and ask for help.
And As time went on, we ended up literally having samples of a gray ET that I killed that I ended up sending off to a lab in Grass Lakes, Michigan, and the guy did the testing on it, and that became the first legitimate evidence of ET life in the world.
In fact, Dr.
Dr. Levengood had told me, John, you have the smoking gun for proof that ET Life is visiting Earth.
And then it's just gotten even more interesting from there.
Okay.
Well, let me say that we haven't really talked about this.
I don't know, this body that you say you have.
I don't have it anymore.
I don't have it here on the property.
I understand, but can you elaborate on that a little more, the story behind how you got the body, etc.?
Because I had heard a bit about it.
I thought, correct me if I'm wrong, it had something to do with your brother.
Is that right?
Well, my brother had not only gone through this...
On his own, but he had actually been in a position where he had proof, and the proof was literally taken away from him.
It was at a laboratory at the University of Oklahoma, as the story goes, and the lab was literally, I guess, raided, and the body was taken.
So, you know, he never really remained on having proof at that point.
You know, he just, you know, he had pictures and he had, you know, a little bit of stuff, but nothing like what we have here.
You know, because what had actually happened is that I literally ran one through with a samurai sword.
You have the sword in one of the earlier interviews.
And...
I ended up, when I pulled it out of the carcass of the ET, a large piece of tissue the size of a big grapefruit was on the end of it.
And I took that off and I put it in a glass bottle and I put it in our freezer.
And that's when I literally got to the point where I had proof and I thought, I've got to find somebody that can deal with this.
And I wasn't really somebody who'd ever been in the ET community before, the UFO community.
And so I didn't know what to do.
I just started emailing people that I had talked to at one time or another when I was working with Kevin Smith on his radio show.
Fortunately, Captain Robert Collins came forward and he said, I think I know somebody that can help you.
And so I confided at Bob Collins, and then what happened was is that we went from there.
And so I got in touch with Levengood and sent him the samples.
FedExed him, as a matter of fact.
Okay, you sent samples to Levengood, but...
Okay, and what happened to those samples?
He had them right up until his death.
He had supposedly a mysterious death.
And when was this...
It must have been, I'm guessing, about 2011, 2012.
I'd have to go back and check notes, but it was about done.
Okay.
And how did he die?
Allegedly, he just died.
But, I mean, I don't know exactly what the circumstances were.
He was perfectly healthy, and then all of a sudden he wasn't.
His wife died at the same time, or close to the same time.
And so that, in its own right, was kind of strange.
And I was never able to recover the samples, and I don't know where they went, other than supposedly two major universities in the state of Michigan tested them, and I don't know where they went from there.
I see.
Well, what happened to the body that you were talking about?
I have made an agreement not to tell anybody because the body itself is on United States soil, but it's not in the country.
I know that sounds weird, but that's as close as I can come to telling you.
Okay, so does that mean it's in an Indian reservation?
Yes.
That might be one interpretation.
Okay.
All right.
Well, so, okay, when did the body disappear?
Well, the actual body itself didn't disappear.
Well, leave your, I mean, leave wherever it was in your hands or your brother's hands, so to speak.
Well, it was in my hands, and then it was not.
I just, Carrie, I can't get into that.
Are you able to say the year?
I'm just looking for the year that the body, I'm just curious when the body was said to be, you know, in your hands, so to speak.
Within 30 days after the death.
Okay, and when was that?
That would have been...
I think it was 2011.
There was one in 2009 as well, but the one that actually left here was in 2011.
Okay.
Now, I remember that Tommy Hawksblood was saying something about going to get a body.
Did you know anything about that?
Well, there's been a lot of talk about it, but the problem is this, and that is that there's a certain criteria for that recovery, and it's not a simple matter, and it's not only a logistical issue, but it's also dealing with other individuals involved.
And I just plain out said that when the time was right, that could happen.
Okay, so you have had evidence, but evidence in both cases, those are the two pieces of evidence.
One was the body and one was a piece of the alien.
Is that correct?
Have there been other pieces of evidence as well or not?
Well, there's been photographs, there's been videos, there's been...
Right, I mean physical, you know, testable, that type of thing.
Are these the only two is my question.
They're the only two that actually remained long enough to do anything with.
A typical situation or scenario would be a combat situation with one to three of these beings, and then if you don't take the head, they go away.
They just literally disappear.
You can mortally wound them, but...
They just disappear.
They just literally blink out.
And part of the update is the fact that we were able to find out that these beings are not 100% in our dimension, which is why the photographs that were taken of the gray ET here on the property, part of them is in focus.
The rest isn't.
It's like they head through to make sure it's okay.
And if they don't sense that there's an immediate threat, they come through the rest of the way.
But if they think that there's going to be any kind of big problem, they just pull back out again.
Okay.
And when you say that you decided that this was the case, did someone tell you this?
Why are you suddenly saying this?
I would agree with you on a personal level, simply because it's dimensional travel anyway, how they're getting here.
So...
We know they come from the fourth dimension.
They're four-dimensional beings, especially if they're greys.
Now, if they're programmable biological entities that the US military makes, that's a whole different ballgame.
But assuming it's actually a being and so on, that it lives in the fourth dimension.
So it would be dimensional travel when they come into this dimension.
But I'm curious where you reach this conclusion.
Well, I got it in two different ways.
The people that actually came here to do an investigation of the ranch that were here when you were here during that interview...
That arrived just as you were leaving.
They actually were here for several days and they took photographs, they took video, they did all sorts of stuff.
And part of that was the fact that they had already seen this before, this phenomena before, and they were able to explain it to me in just layman's terms.
Then on top of that, with a couple of online discussions with Robert Collins, Robert Collins is somebody that has a lot of experience in physics, and he's somebody that is able to explain it in terms of the actual physics.
And I would have to refer you to him, just because it's over my head.
Okay, yeah, that's fair enough.
Actually, I know Robert Collins.
I haven't met him, but he's certainly...
He's something of an old-timer in this sector.
And I think he's a former captain and interesting guy.
Although sometimes he's playing for the side that actually wants to cover this story up.
So I would sort of be cautionary in terms of everything he talks about.
But he did write a very good book about disclosure and the things he'd come across and so on.
So, yes, I know Robert Collins, and you guys can look him up if you're interested in hearing more.
And that is that in the beginning, he was one of my biggest detractors going back to, like, I don't know, 19, well, it'd be like 2000, mid-2000s.
He would just write to me and give me all sorts of trash about the whole situation.
And then all of a sudden, I ended up at his house.
So he's fighting him as well.
Coincidence, or if that's just like instant karma, but he's having to deal with him as well.
So then he came around to thinking that you might have a point.
Did he get in touch with you at that point?
Yeah, well, it was kind of funny because I actually, I got kind of angry at him at one point, and I said, you better chill.
You better chill out with the things you're saying, or I'm going to send them to your house.
And I was just kidding, because obviously I have no control over them.
Next thing I know, about a year later, he's writing back to me to tell me that he's having issues with them as well, and he's sending me photographs and videos of stuff at his house.
So I'm sure he would be willing to confirm that in the discussion.
Okay, well, maybe we ought to have him on the show one time and the two of you can kind of be on there together.
I would be interested to see his photographs and video.
I haven't really, I don't think I've heard anything about that.
In essence, you're saying that he has some sort of evidence himself.
Is that right?
Well, he went out and got a sword.
Really?
Much better one than I got.
Okay, that's very interesting.
So moving right along, let's talk about the meeting that you had.
You said something had changed and you thought things were moving into the positive as well as had some...
It sounded like some kind of ET meeting.
Can you talk about that?
Sure, I'd be happy to.
After we did our interview...
A lot of things changed.
You know, you have such a wide listenership and viewership that I began to get emails from literally all over the planet.
And people who were touched by the story literally reached out.
And a person that wanted to write the book came here and worked with me for several weeks to get everything down for the book.
That would be Lane Keller.
And she introduced me to a gentleman who is an energy healer who is unbelievably amazing, Christopher Macklin.
And Christopher came out to the ranch and spent a few days.
And it looks like we're going to turn the ranch into a healing center to help people using the tremendously high-frequency energy that is constantly here at the ranch.
Now, he does all the healing via Skype, phone, or in person, and he does it all over the planet every day, and he does like 25, 30 of these healings.
And he was aware of how I explained the healing that I went through for MS. And that gave us kind of a connection there.
And he explained that that's what he's been spending his life doing.
Okay.
I don't know why your sound has suddenly gotten a little bit hard to hear.
I don't know if you're far away from the computer or what's going on, but I'm not sure what's going on there.
No, not exactly.
Try to project your voice, I guess, would be good.
Okay.
Do you want me to repeat something?
I think people heard that, but it was just getting very, very quiet.
So you're going to turn the ranch into a healing center, but can you talk about the...
You sounded like or you wrote about an ET meeting.
Can you describe the meeting itself?
Yeah, I was going to get to that.
What happened in the interim has been that originally four and a half years ago, we had a lady by the name of Dr.
B. She's here in Phoenix, and she was one of the people that was at the original meeting that we had with the ETs out here on the ranch.
She, in fact, actually made that possible.
That day that she was here that we had the giant spaceship overhead the giant flying saucer due to the end of that meeting and me asking for proof that these guys were who they said they were what ended up happening was there was a tremendous storm and during that storm there was a lightning bolt that came down and hit the ground right behind her and I didn't know it at the time but she actually absorbed the electricity from that lightning strike and She
went home in a vehicle with two other people, and so I had no idea that there was ever a problem.
All I knew was that we could never contact her again after that.
Well, she saw our interview with you, and she ended up being able to have the contact information to get back in touch with you.
And so she was all excited after she saw the interview.
And we got in touch and we set up a meeting again with some of the ETs with her in Phoenix.
And we had a sort of a, I don't know, just a big meeting.
And that meeting went on for several hours.
And it turns out that they want to come out and tell their story.
And she wants to come out and tell her story.
And so she'd love to be able to get with you for an interview.
Okay.
Can you describe the ETs?
I mean, are you saying that they were there?
In present, literally, physically.
Physically.
And who was there?
At that point, there was one that we think was a reptilian because there were flashes of a reptilian type of presence.
There were two that were Syrian.
There was one that was Pleiadian.
And I don't know about the others.
I just know those.
Can you describe their physicality?
Because you're calling them by being from certain planets.
How did you know they're from the planets that you're describing?
And what was their physicality like?
Honestly, they don't look too much different than regular people.
I mean, if you were to see them in person, I don't think you would know that they were from anywhere else.
And that was exactly the same thing that I experienced the first time around when we had the meeting at the ranch four and a half years earlier.
Okay, but if they look human and they act human, perhaps they are human, are you saying that some human beings walked into a room with you and sat down and then said they were Pleiadians, said they were Syrian, or are you saying that they materialized in the room?
They walked into the room.
So they were people that live in the local area and came down?
Actually, two of them came all the way from, apparently, from the Boston area.
Okay.
And they claim to be of these races.
Is that right?
That's correct.
Okay.
And you took them at their word, I take it?
Well, at that time I did, but then two of them actually came out to the ranch a couple of days later.
On their own.
And those two, I think, were fakes.
They said they were from other places, but I did not feel like they were.
They didn't show me anything that made me believe that they were who they said they were.
But then after that, Dr.
B brought out another contingency of individuals, and at least two of them were exactly what they said they were, and they were Syrians.
Okay.
Sorry, but I just, you know, because this is, you know, these are pretty wild claims, right?
So we want to try to go through it slowly so that people, you know, people will have their questions, and my job is to ask you and to get the questions that arise as they come.
So you're saying the first two people that came to your ranch were claiming BET, And then turned out not to be that you felt that they were just humans in the conventional sense of that word.
And then you're saying later some other ones came along with someone named Dr.
B and you thought at least two of them were ETs that they claimed to be Syrians as you call them.
Why did you believe they were Syrians as opposed to the other beings not being?
Did they demonstrate in some way?
Yes.
The first two, it turned out that the only thing they were really interested in was an element that we have here on the ranch called Fulgerite.
F-U-L-G-E-R-I-T-E. And apparently it is a mineral that is derived as an after effect of being struck by lightning.
And I guess it's semi-valuable.
And apparently we have a lot of it here, and they wanted to get their hands on it, which did not happen.
Okay, you mean the ones that you thought were fake wanted to get a hold of this material, and they didn't, you're saying?
They got a handful of it and asked me if they could take it, and I let them take it, but that was all.
But they were looking for a large quantity of it.
All right.
And the other ones that you felt...
First of all, I mean, are you able to say who Dr.
B is or is that...
Dr.
B, she goes by the name of Dr.
Brandy.
And because of her experiences here, she now has a therapy...
It's called Lightning Therapy, which is kind of interesting.
And I'm sure, like I said, she would confirm all this.
She can be reached.
Do you want me to give an email?
Well, I don't know if people want you to give her email out.
I don't know.
Okay.
I mean, she's fine with it.
I already asked her.
Oh, all right.
Well, you're welcome to then.
Go ahead.
Dr.
Brandy, B-R-A-N-D-Y, at ymail.com.
Okay.
And so, Dr.
B brought two other ETs that...
I guess to the ranch that you did feel that were in the original meeting you had that you felt were Syrian.
Is that correct?
Almost correct.
They weren't at the original meeting.
These were new individuals.
But the way that I became convinced that they were who they said they were was at one point we were having a conversation and there were a number of people talking and they became annoyed by it and literally one of them reached out into the space in front of that person and acted like they were turning down a volume knob and it was like they muted everybody else in the room so that I couldn't hear them.
All I could hear was my discussion with them.
Now, all the other people in the room that were there kept on talking, and they were talking like they were talking to me, but I couldn't hear them, and they didn't even seem to notice.
And then when we got done with that little discussion as a sidebar, it was like they unmuted the rest of the room, and everything went on as normal.
I don't think anybody can...
Was there anything else about these particular people that was significant?
Not particularly.
Okay.
But they claim to be from, they claim to be Syrian.
Correct.
Okay.
So, to get back to the meeting that you had, you had a meeting, you felt there were ETs there, but they all looked human, and they all walked into the room as if they were Living in the area or somewhere not so far away, you said Boston, but certainly not the Ceres galaxy.
So, you know, in other words, human and being on Earth.
Was there some reason why you thought you were meeting with ETs?
Did someone claim there were going to be, these were ETs that you were going to meet?
And so who was it that claimed that?
And if they were, in other words, if two of the people at the meeting were not who they said they were or proved not to be, did this person not know that these people were not what they claimed to be?
Do you understand the question?
Dr.
B only claimed that two of the people coming out there would be EPs and that they were Syrians.
And so that's what I expected when they got here.
Okay.
But I meant the one...
I assume you went to a meeting off that was not at your ranch.
Is that right?
Yes.
The very first time we had a reunion, that was in Phoenix on 7th Street.
And that was with how many people?
It was probably...
Well, Joyce and I... My wife was with me.
She met me there.
And we probably met with 12 to 15 people.
Okay, and so I guess I gather that some of these or most of them were human and you expected them to be human, is that correct?
Some of them were human, some of them were ETs.
Okay, and you believe they were ETs again because they said they were ETs?
Well, they did say so, but in one or two cases there were physical attributes that made me believe that they were.
They were not strikingly different than humans, but they were a little bit different.
I think it was probably more my intuition than anything, but I didn't feel anybody was trying to mislead me.
And that leads to a bigger issue.
And that is, is that I've already told all of these individuals that I will not validate them unless they prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are who they say they are.
And the best way they can do that is to support the ranch.
You know, if you want to change the world, that's fine.
But change the ranch first and prove to me you can do it because I'm not going to be, you know, some guy who's going to get out there and say, hey, everybody, look at this.
And then turn out to find out that these guys aren't who they say they are.
And I'm just being played for a fool.
Sure.
Well, you have reason to believe they were ETs or there were ETs at this meeting.
One because of your intuition and the other because this person told you that you would be meeting with ETs.
Yes.
And the first time when she told me that she brought out ETs and the ETs showed us various different things from other places that definitely were not anything like I had seen before.
And then they had this huge flying saucer that was the size of a stadium.
Okay.
John, I'm aware that you have a background that involves some mind control and some other, I don't know what you want to call it, MKUltra type of experiences, maybe my lab experiences, that go back many years, way prior, probably prior to when you bought the ranch.
Can you talk about that at all?
I... I really don't talk about that because it has a tendency to put people in a position where they find the whole thing to be just off the charts crazy.
And at some point I may come out and talk about that, but not right now.
Okay.
But you do appreciate how, you know, if that's part of your story, that it's actually integral to what's happening to you now.
You can appreciate that, yeah?
And that is that in 2001, I was diagnosed with MS, severe MS, rapid onset MS. And somebody who was an ET, who was somebody who had a lot of technology available, healed me from that.
And that I would tell you that if I hadn't had some connection To people that were in the military and people that have been involved in various different aspects that I probably would be dead today and that I would have perished a long time ago from that disease.
And I'm very happy to say that I'm completely healthy and that I haven't had any of those attacks ever since.
And I owe my life to that person.
Okay, and is that person available?
He's still around, but as far as I know, he's not doing that kind of work anymore.
And he's asked me not to divulge his name.
Okay, and when you say he's not doing any work, that kind of work, you mean he's not a healer anymore?
He doesn't want to be a healer?
He can save people's lives, but he chooses not to.
I mean, what are you saying?
I can't speak for him.
I just know that he is involved in a completely different aspect of his life and that, as far as I know, he doesn't do that work anymore.
Okay, is he military?
I hooked up with Christopher Macklin is because of the fact that Christopher does the same kind of work and is very, he's actually better at it.
He has a much higher percentage as far as a cure rate goes than the first individual.
Okay, was the original person who healed you military?
Not that I'm aware of.
Okay, because you said if it wasn't for the military that you wouldn't necessarily have been able to, your life wouldn't have been saved.
So in what way did the military help?
Well, the individual that referred me to that person who actually did the healing was somebody who had a long military history.
Okay.
These people that have military history and because of your background, are you aware of the underground base on your property?
Yes.
I have been told about it.
Okay, but to your knowledge, you've never been in that underground base?
No, not that I'm aware of.
Okay.
Sorry?
I've been told that there's a ship under the property, but I don't have any confirmation of that either.
Okay.
Okay.
You mentioned that two women had come and visited you and then left in a state of fright, I guess, in the middle of the night or shortly after.
Can you talk about that?
Yes, that I can talk about.
Since the story came out, we've had a number of visitors that have been very curious about what's happening here.
And some of them actually decided that they wanted to come out and make a donation to Hopeful Hooves, our nonprofit at Coin Charity.
And so they came out, they visited, they ended up spending the night.
And about halfway through the night, they ended up having problems where they actually confronted an ET, a gray, in the area where they were sleeping, and they were frightened half to death.
And one person pulled the covers up over their head and just dealt with it, but refused to leave or climb out of bed or do anything.
Until the next morning.
And then she left very early in the morning.
And then the other person that was here ended up confronting what she says she thought were eight of these gray ETs.
And she was so horrified by what she saw.
Then she got up in the middle of the night and ran outside, locked herself out by accident, and at 3 o'clock in the morning during one of our very recent terrible storms here, was stuck outside in freezing cold rain and 30-mile-an-hour winds until eventually she could get me to wake up by pounding on the door and calling my cell phone five times.
And then after that, she left in a hurry and drove away.
Okay, and you have a lot of dogs.
Did your dogs not make a racket?
Not the first time, but the second time they did.
And the dogs kind of go off anyway.
I kind of wait.
If I start hearing my Scarlet Macaw say, bad dogs, bad dogs, she'll say that a number of times.
When I hear that, that's when I know it's time to get the sword and go and check on things.
Which is my Flintstones ET alarm system.
Okay.
All right, fair enough.
So what other things have gone on besides this meeting that you wanted to talk about in terms of just what's been going on lately?
Well, you know, I'm I realize that from an ET point of view, the situation with having somebody who can do the kind of healings that Christopher Macklin is doing may not be a huge deal, but I think it's phenomenal.
We're hearing about people getting over stage four cancer, people that have been told that they're going to die anytime and they're getting better.
My wife, who was actually diagnosed with a fatal disease, she's being treated and she's starting to get better.
You know, so those to me are like they're like miracle things.
You know, I'm so excited to know that that, you know, people don't have to, you know, spend their life savings, sell their house, you know, or become homeless in order to try to get over these diseases.
You know, for a couple of thousand bucks, they can get over them at home in the comfort of their home and, you know, really get better.
To me, that is such an incredible thing that I can't think of anything better.
Okay, and what type of healer is Christopher Macklin?
He is what they call an energy healer.
And that's the second time that I've experienced it.
The first time was with the MS. I'm sorry.
The second time I experienced being healed by somebody doing this kind of work was with MS. The first time was with MRSA, with a gentleman that came all the way from Africa, completely On his own, without meeting me personally or anything else, and literally healed me from MRSA when the medical community had pretty much given up hope.
You know, they'd spent thousands and thousands of dollars on antibiotics, and nothing worked.
And basically, they were telling my wife, Joyce, before we were even married at that point, I was probably going to die.
And this guy worked on me energetically and healed me.
So twice in my life, I've had my life saved by an energy healer.
So for me to find Christopher and to know that he's legitimate and the work actually, you know, that it works to me, that that's like huge, you know, and the fact that he's available, you know, that I can't, it doesn't get any better for me than that, to be able to help the world and to help people.
Okay, well I just did an interview with Richard Bartlett and Melissa Joy who are accessing the zero point energy all around us and doing healings that way as well.
With some great success.
So if you're interested in good healers, they are also conducting seminars and so on.
You do know that actually someone doesn't heal you per se.
It's actually you that decides to heal.
The person is a kind of catalyst.
But real healing is actually up to the individual.
Yeah, that makes sense.
I personally, I guess I'm a little bit simple, and that is that I'm more interested in results than anything else.
I'm glad that you explained that to me so that I understand how it happens.
But, you know, the bottom line for me is, do they get better?
That's all I care about.
And if they get better, that's what it's all about, because that's the only thing that remains in the end.
And I've got folks from all over.
It's just important in the sense of being a healer and understanding healing.
It's important to sort of level the playing field and to understand that we all can access the same field and that it's a matter of choice in each individual.
And some people do choose to hold on to their illnesses.
And there is a meaning there.
Behind that.
And they basically have to get to the point where it's no longer useful.
It's not telling them or teaching them anything anymore.
And then they will accept the healer.
It's just a principle that, you know, it's important that we don't give our power away, so to speak.
And I appreciate your focus on results.
But we're all focused on results, maybe too much in this life.
It's all about the journey, as you can appreciate.
Well, I know that with Chris, he also heals people's pets or, you know, I guess the pets give him permission.
Yeah.
I mean, you know, beings are beings, whether they're pets or plants or, you know, if it's a conscious being, as you can appreciate that.
It's, you know, it's a give and take.
My point is it's a give and take.
Sure.
And that in the end, it is, you know, no person really gives away their power.
They choose to either be healed or not in the given situation.
So it's just important to clarify that.
So looking at what went on with the women that were in your house and were frightened or confronted by ETs, Did they feel, and these were Greys again, did they feel they were being threatened by the ETs?
Was that their overriding?
I assume you were able to talk to them?
Yes, yes.
The first one did not express to me that she felt threatened.
Like, it didn't try to touch her, or it just stood there, apparently, right in front of her.
And...
I think the fact that she felt that she was a fairly sophisticated person in terms of her spiritual development, I think she felt that she could probably try to reach it some way to communicate, but that never happened.
The second person was the exact opposite.
She woke up and they were standing around her and she was scared to death and she immediately got up and started trying to find a light switch and She couldn't find one right away, and she couldn't get away from them, and she felt trapped, and she was just terrified and ran out of there.
So, you know, I don't know.
I mean, it's a big house.
She was asleep all the way on one side, and we were on the other, and I guess she just felt like it was a total loss of control, and, you know, that scared her as much as anything.
And then when she got out, that really scared her because there was a terrible storm outside.
Right.
But in terms of the ETs that they encountered, are you still encountering the Grays?
Have they been visiting you continually?
And are they still threatening?
I have not had a threatening experience with them now for a while.
But people that have been coming out here are seeing them on a regular basis.
So, no, I guess, no, we're not, I don't feel threatened by them right now.
I'm not entirely happy they're here, considering how many people have come here and told me that they were going to clear them or they were going to make them go away or whatever, and they don't go away.
Okay.
Well, yeah, I mean, is there any reason, I mean, if you think about it, they should obey the person that supposedly thinks they're going to tell them what to do, you know?
I was told...
Considering they're here on the planet and, you know...
They come of their own free will.
They're not exactly going to obey some random person, necessarily.
By somebody that all the greys had been ordered off the planet a couple of years back.
Our friends that are here are renegades.
They're not supposed to be here.
They have glitter groups.
I'm just repeating what I was told because I don't have any frame of reference in any of this stuff to be able to do anything but, you know, repeat what I'm told.
Okay.
Well, that's fair enough.
People have all kinds of sort of fantasies about ETs that have nothing to do with actually the fact of the matter, I'm afraid.
Right.
So, okay, well, is there anything else that you want to talk about in terms of...
Because we do have some people that I think are asking questions in the chat, although I am going to ask you guys to put your questions in all caps so I can distinguish the question from the chat that's going on between people.
So, you know, I'm going to look for questions very shortly here.
But in terms of...
I see that you want to change sort of the way...
I mean, I think that when we talked, you'd also talked about wanting to bring the ranch into a situation where it could be a center for people to have maybe ET or UFO meetings or sightings, as well as a healing, a place of healing.
And is that something you're working on actively at this time?
Yes.
You know, Carrie...
The idea is to take something that's really negative and turn it into something that's really positive.
Sure.
You know, originally I thought, you know, this would be a great place for celebrity friends of mine and musicians that I knew to just come and hang out.
We never got that far before we started having all the negative ET things that happen.
But the ranch is kind of set up for that.
And if it got in better shape and it got to the point where, you know, we could have regular kind of like a think tank or someplace that we could do conferences or do, you know, anything that...
Facilitates the dissemination of knowledge and maybe do start working on, you know, some demonstration projects of different things like technology that we've been given that, you know, could help the world out.
I would love to do that.
You know, that's what it's all about for me is my life being used in a way that's positive, that helps people, that helps animals, and to try to serve as an example of somebody who is just at the grassroots level.
Who's getting involved and doing everything they can do to make a difference.
And it's not because I have any particular wonderful skill set.
I just have good intention.
I have hard work.
I love my country.
And I want to make America and make the world a better place.
Absolutely.
Okay.
So in terms of Where you're at now, you've written a book.
Is the book actually released?
Not until March 9th.
It's available for pre-sale on Amazon.com.
It's called Ascension Code, and it's the first book of three, and it is the beginning story of what happened before we got to the ranch, a little bit, all the way through the The time when the actual ranch burned down due to an electrical fire and it pretty much sets the tone and talks a lot about various different examples of things that I haven't really talked about in the interviews.
There's a lot of in-depth information in there that I just haven't discussed during the interviews.
Okay, is there a reason why you're not discussing these things?
Well, nobody's really asked me about them, but at the same time, pretty much, I've been saving them for the book.
I mean, if all anybody's got to do is watch the interviews, they won't buy the book.
Okay, well, it's possible they'll do both.
Let me ask you, why did you call it Ascension Codes?
It kind of doesn't sound anything like what you're talking about.
Because I've been ascending ever since I got to this ranch.
I mean, I've been through a process here where I started off just being somebody that wanted to buy a ranch out in the Arizona desert and have a few horses and thought it would be fun to, you know, to do that.
I saved up from the time I was eight years old on to buy this ranch.
And then gradually what's happened is that due to life experience and due to all the things that have happened here, I've had to completely change who I am.
I've had to completely...
You know, make some real hard life decisions in order to incorporate the experiences and all the things that I've learned along the way.
And gradually, I think in a bigger frame, my life and what's been happening here at the ranch kind of coincides, parallels a lot of the things that are happening in the world.
And kind of where we're going, I think, is where the world needs to go.
Okay.
In terms of ascending, what do you mean by that?
Because it actually, I mean, not to insult you, but it sounds actually, based on the stories you told me, to be more of a descending rather than ascending.
But the...
It started out from a much lower, if you want to use a directional point of view, place.
But it has gradually, we have overcome one tremendous hurdle after another.
And it's always been for me about my faith in God.
It's always been about the fact that I believe that we were entitled to own this land, that we paid for it, that we deserve to be able to live here and turn this into something good.
And everybody, you know, has for 20 years has been on my case about getting rid of it and selling it and abandoning it and running away and making choices between the ranch and my wife and the animals and my wife.
And, you know, they've really harassed me about it.
I mean, there's no good way to say it other than that.
And I've always said that I was going to be true to myself and true to my original intention, which was I wasn't going to be chased off by a bunch of four-foot ETs.
I was not going to go ahead and give up what I had worked so hard for in my life, and that I believe that anybody can fulfill their dreams if they're willing to step up and challenge themselves and remain no matter what.
Okay.
Let's see.
In terms of UFO sightings, have you and your wife seen any more UFOs in the last...
Do you see them all the time, or have you any notable...
We have seen a number of UFOs.
We have seen...
Again, there are so many sightings that to go outside and look up in the sky as long as it's fairly clear outside, you almost...
We have to have some kind of sighting here.
We routinely see things.
We see triangles.
We see orbs.
We see flying saucers.
We see what looks like these wings that are lighted up.
They just look almost like a paraglider, a wing that's completely lit up, except they're like 100 feet long or more.
So yeah, we see things all the time.
And for people that have the night vision goggles, When they use those night vision goggles, they don't see one ship.
They see a dozen or more at a time, usually like in a fleet.
And they're just over the ranch.
They're not going anywhere.
They're just literally up there.
Okay.
What about information?
Have you been getting information?
Have you been communicated with by what you believe are ETs?
Yes.
In other words, do you feel that they're showing up for you in physical form on the ranch, or is your only exposure to actual ETs been this meeting that this person, Dr.
B, arranged?
The only communication that we've had is direct in-person ET communication from people that literally showed up here on the property, that they made a prior arrangement to show up on the property.
There hasn't been any more where they just kind of appeared and just had a miscellaneous kind of drop-in situation.
Okay.
Now I'm going to look at and do some questions that are coming up in the chat here.
Thank you, everyone, for putting them in all caps.
It makes it much easier for me.
Someone wants to know, are the booms being heard around the world ET-related?
I don't know.
Okay.
Someone wants to know...
I will say this, we have heard those booms out here tremendously, in Buckeye specifically, and I actually did report that, as did other people here.
Okay.
When you say you've heard them, are they coming from underground?
No.
They sound...
They sound like sonic booms times about eight.
They're so loud that the percussive shock that you feel in your chest and that you feel in the structures that are around the property, it rattles windows.
It makes garbage cans, the lids fall off.
It makes chimes chime.
I mean, there's some physical force there.
Those things are incredibly loud.
Okay, are they associated with any spacecraft?
I have no idea.
So you don't?
Do you look up at the sky to see if there's a spacecraft when you hear a boom?
Yeah, well, I mean, when I've heard them, I have looked everywhere.
I mean, because I was afraid that literally something had exploded.
I mean, it sounded like dynamite.
It was so loud that it sounded louder than when the Arizona Department of Highways was constructing freeways through the mountains here, and they had to blow up the mountains themselves in order to cut a path through them, in order to put the road through.
It was louder than that.
Okay, well, that would suggest breaking a sound barrier, which is, I don't think, exactly what the person was asking.
I think they were talking about these sort of underground, ongoing sort of, it's almost like, I don't know, it's a different sound.
It's not like what you're describing.
Yeah.
Sorry?
It sounded like it was in the air.
It didn't sound underground at all.
Yeah.
Okay.
So that's a different thing.
Actually, that would mean that there are spacecraft, I would say, going very, very fast, breaking a sonic boom.
In that case, it wouldn't even be ET. It would be military.
And considering you live right near the Tonopah test range, I understand, but see, I can compare the difference because we live 15 or 18 miles from Luke Air Force Base.
Right.
We have F-16s, F-18s.
Now we've got the newest version of the military craft that come out.
And they go out and buy sorties out there in the desert all the time.
And I have heard those.
They don't sound anything like this.
So these are much louder.
Perhaps the craft is much bigger.
Yes, I would agree with that.
Okay.
Someone wants to, well, actually, I don't know if you'll do this, but someone is asking, are you able to talk more about your regressions and what happened during abductions?
I would tell you this, and that is when I get done with a series of books, the next series of books are going to be literally about those regression sessions.
And I will have the tapes to be able to support the actual books.
And so people will get a first-hand explanation of the events that occurred during those sessions.
Okay.
Hold on one second here.
Did you try Organite or any orgone device at your house or around your ranch?
No.
I'm pretty unsophisticated when it comes to a lot of this stuff.
I've heard of it, but in terms of using it, nobody ever gave me the love and light education series to be able to know about how all this stuff works.
I haven't got it yet.
Okay.
All right.
Some people have Organite, though, and they might be able to get you some.
Let's see.
John, do they ever communicate with you in your dreams?
No.
I have zero communication with the Grays in any way, shape, or form other than using them as targets.
Well, someone is asking you this question, but I'm not sure why they think you might know the answer, but nonetheless, is a false flag, hold on, is a false flag disclosure event planned for this year?
Is Hillary Clinton behind it?
I couldn't tell you that.
It doesn't sound very related to what you're talking about, but okay.
I guess this is a question on their minds, so whatever.
Let me see.
I'm going back through these.
How are we supposed to know the difference between my labs and contact?
Boy, that's a complicated question.
I think you have to look at the The person that you're dealing with and look at their background in terms of what they've devoted their life to, where they're coming from emotionally, spiritually, and then say, why would a person who was trying to do something that was good, at least in my case, Why would I represent or misrepresent something like this?
People have asked me, are you for real?
Well, judge for yourself.
I'm telling you what's happened.
I'm the one that took the risk.
Nobody offered me to pay me to do it.
Nobody has tried to promote me.
Nothing.
I came out of nowhere.
And I was ashamed of this story.
And I told the story because of the fact that Tommy Hawksblood called me every day for like two and a half years and bugged me incessantly to tell the story.
And then you were sensitive enough and good enough as a journalist and as an investigator to actually feature the story.
But that's the only reason it ever got told.
It wasn't because I had an agenda.
It wasn't because some government agency had an agenda.
It just needed to be told.
Okay.
Well, let me clarify in the sense that the person asking the question between my labs and contact, I think what they mean by that, if I can clarify, is that they, you know, a person can be a contactee and they can also be a my lab, in other words, a military abductee.
So they're abducted by both ETs and the military.
And you can be abducted by both simultaneously.
In other words, the ETs work with the military.
And I've done interviews about that.
But you can also just be a MyLab.
In other words, a military abductee or...
Messed with by the military, either genetically or otherwise, super soldier type things, all kinds of things of that nature.
So in other words, it's not that they're saying you're necessarily one or the other.
They're asking if you think that they themselves can know which they are based on your own experience of possibly having been either or both.
Okay, yeah, now that changes everything.
That's a different question.
It's a different question.
For one thing, I wasn't sure what my lab was.
I'm not real sophisticated about a lot of this stuff, and it's not because I'm not interested.
It's just that I didn't want to educate myself with a lot of other people's stories because I didn't want their stories to leak into my story.
My story's been hard enough for me to come forward with, and I just didn't want it to become, you know, just a mess.
But the thing is, yeah, I guess it's possible.
I mean, again, I'm no expert here.
I'm giving you a layman's answer.
Sure, why not?
Okay.
Well, they wanted to know how to know the difference, so you don't really have advice in that.
You're going to have to take your own journey, and you're going to have to deal with somebody who's capable of helping you to understand that journey and to try to decide which one is...
The one that happened to you.
I mean, I took that risk.
I originally went in for just a couple of short sessions and they turned into hours and hours and hours and hours of sessions.
And things happened during those sessions that were incredibly remarkable.
And it ended up eventually becoming a whole team of doctors sitting around in a boardroom watching those events happen again and again.
In front of many witnesses.
That's how I discovered a lot of what I know about my own story.
Other than that, I would probably just be another person that had it all locked inside of them and was desperately trying to make some order of it and make some sense out of it.
Because I work...
I have worked in psychiatric work, you know, most of my adult life.
I know that the only way to face any problem, the only way to get an answer, the only way to find your way out of the darkness, is to ask somebody else to help you to find that path.
And if you can't find it on your own, you've got to ask somebody to help you.
Okay.
Someone wants to know, what about trumpet-sounding scrubbing type of noise, like something scraping?
I don't have any reference on that one, Carrie.
Okay.
Trying to see if there's any other...
Have you ever met Bud Hopkins?
Someone looks like they're asking that.
No.
Okay.
Have any aliens communicated verbally ever?
Well, yeah.
With you.
Yeah.
The ones that I had the meetings with that we previously discussed.
Okay.
Those ones were, again...
Human for all intents and purposes, though, in every way that you could recognize, right?
So they just, you know, they're walking around the earth looking human.
You know, it's difficult to ask these questions without clarifying, at least from my point of view, that...
As far as I'm concerned, we're all ETs and we're all bloodlines, various ET races, so we're huge mixtures of this.
So saying one is an ET could be a very general statement when it comes to a human being when we are a blend of at least 12 and probably more at this point ET races.
But you are talking about meeting humans that claim to be a certain race of ETs, I take it.
Yes.
And again, like I said, they did show me proof.
I mean, it's, you know, the kind of things that I... Because they demonstrated the thing to do with the sound.
Is that correct?
Well, that was just in the most recent one.
But, I mean, you know, my wife and I sat on the pickup truck on the back tailgate of our pickup truck.
In 2011 and saw this ship that they literally, there were three of them standing there with swords up in the air.
And the next thing you know, this huge monster ship comes out from the east side of the road.
And it's maybe five or six hundred feet above our heads.
And it's huge.
And it was so big that it started a weather pattern that became a terrible monsoon storm right then and there.
And that's how the lightning ended up.
This whole sky was dark.
And there were other ships that were south in the sky.
The whole sky was lit up with ships.
Why do you say the ETs were holding swords, are you saying?
Yep.
They were holding swords.
Big swords.
Literally, it looked like broadswords, which, trust me, didn't do anything for my sense of the fact that it was really an actual experience, but it happened.
I'll just repeat the truth.
All right.
Let's see.
John, can you disclose any info that good ETs disclose to you that humanity should know?
Right now...
We already have all the answers to fix everything that is wrong with this planet in terms of ecological damage, in terms of radiation damage, in terms of being able to have access to clean water, clean air.
And really, it's just about us as the inhabitants of this planet deciding that we're not going to be in a position anymore where we're going to allow the rulers of the planet to tell us what conditions we have to live in or how we have to live in or who we have to pay for what.
We already have the availability to change all that.
We have the availability not to be a bunch of rats and a bunch of wheels Making, you know, the rest of the system work for the 1%.
Okay.
Someone else wants to know, do you know anything about the ET's intentions?
I can only speak for the ones that I've dealt with and the ones that say that they want to help us, being not only here on the ranch, but want to help to create some demonstration projects of what's possible.
And that is they seem to have very good intentions, you know?
I don't think it's because of the fact necessarily that they just want to save the planet.
I think that is their number one motivation.
But I think they're at the point where they're saying that if they help us to save the planet and they help us to save the world, then they don't have to do all that work themselves.
That we will learn to step up and take responsibility for it and do it.
And that maybe we can finally kind of, you know, flatten the field and we can actually rule this world as the people of this world rather than constantly expecting other individuals to do it for us.
Okay, let's see.
Someone wants to know, how are the animals?
Have there been any problems lately?
And I guess they mean problems with ETs, with the animals.
No, actually the animals are all great.
They're all healthy.
They're eating great.
They're as feisty as ever.
And we just got a new rescue a few days ago.
The little white dog that was here on my lap.
He's a brand new rescue.
And he seems to be very happy.
Okay, and very cute little dog as well.
Okay, someone wants to know, do you know Dr.
Keddie?
I think that's what it says.
Unless they spelled it wrong.
Or Dr.
Keith, I'm not sure if that's, maybe they can correct the spelling.
Who documented the Phoenix Lights?
Oh, Ketai.
Oh, Ketai, okay.
Okay, yeah.
Yes.
I see.
I know...
Yeah, I don't think that's how she spells her name.
Yeah, I know Dr.
Kitai.
Lin Kitai.
Have you talked to her?
Yes, I have.
And has she ever been out to the ranch?
Yes, she has.
Okay, and what was...
Can you share her, you know, thoughts or...
In about 2000...
No, it wasn't even.
It would have been 2001...
After the fire here on the ranch and the house burned down, we were staying in the guest house.
Dr.
Kitai came out and interviewed me for several hours.
And she asked me about all the phenomena in the sky, things that I had seen, things that were going on here.
And she took a lot of notes, thanked me and left.
And I never heard from her or saw her again.
Okay.
So, let me see if I'm...
Someone says, when was the last event you experienced?
What kind of event?
One assumes, you know, since the...
The subject at hand, something to do.
Was there some, you know, a siding, an ET? Did you bring your sword out recently?
That kind of thing.
We have had a couple of experiences where I went to go to bed and there was one standing over my wife in bed.
She wears a CPAP face mask to be able to breathe at night so that she doesn't snore.
And there was one standing over her, and it looked like it had the hose to the mask pinched off.
And my wife was gasping for air.
She could still breathe because it has a bypass in it, but she was gasping for air.
And I yelled and The gray disappeared.
My wife sat up in the bed and she asked me what was wrong.
And I said, you were gasping for air.
There was a gray standing right over you.
It looked like it was pinching off your airline.
That was the last time.
Okay.
How long ago was that?
Maybe two months ago.
Okay.
Someone wants to know, do they talk to you about Planet X? No.
Anything about Planet X from anybody.
Okay.
All right, let's see if there's anything else here.
Someone wants to know if you will talk about your book.
Okay.
Sure.
I'm happy to.
Again, I don't know what to say other than I've already said, and that is that it's the first of three books.
It is going to be the in-depth story of the events here on the ranch up through about 2002.
And it's very intense.
That first book is very, very intense because a lot of things happen.
Actually, I take that back.
It's later than that.
It goes up through about 2008.
So, yeah, there's been a tremendous amount of events that happened during that period of time.
Hundreds.
Okay.
Has any military person or secret agent or whatever tried to contact you lately?
No.
We have regular contact with various different alphabet agencies, either because of the fact that they have literally come out and interviewed us, Uh, or they have been in the area.
We have had a couple of what seemed like crashes out here in the last two years, south of us in the mountains.
And we saw military type vehicles, uh, go out that way.
And so at one point the whole area was shut down.
The road in front of the ranch was shut down.
Uh, excuse me, close to sneezing here.
Um, The interesting thing about that particular event was the fact that they brought out what looked like the same kind of chambers that they use for divers when they decompress and they have to be placed in a decompression type of chamber.
They brought out two of those on flatbed trucks and they drove out into the desert at about 60 miles an hour as fast as they could.
So I don't have any way of knowing what actually transpired out there.
Okay.
It was pretty impressive at the time.
I mean, it was kind of shocking.
All right.
And actually, that sounds like maybe they had an aquatic ET situation.
I was thinking maybe it was because they were used to being in a high-pressure situation and maybe the decompression that they experienced during the crash, they needed to be taken and put into those chambers to isolate them so that they could stabilize and maybe equalize the pressure back to what they were used to.
Okay.
Someone else is asking why do you think that the ETs haven't Harmed you more seriously?
Well, I don't know what seriously is.
I mean, considering both my wife and I have had some major medical problems as a result of this, we have scars all over us.
We have, you know, we've been through the mill hard.
In terms of why haven't they killed us, maybe they couldn't.
I've done a lot more damage on them than they've done on me.
Okay.
Someone wants to know, why would there be a spaceship under your house and can't you feel that?
I can't feel it.
I mean, I don't have any...
Ability to be able to do any kind of subterranean, you know, sensing of anything.
All I know is that in about 2004, we were going to sell the ranch, and we got a call from the USGS, and the guy who called us was on an airplane, and he said, I've been looking at local Real estate, and I see that your property's for sale.
And I said, yeah.
And he says, you're asking about 20 times too little for it.
And at the time, I was asking about a million bucks for it.
And I said, what do you mean?
And he said, you sit on top of one of the largest aquifers in the state, and that the water that you have underneath your ranch is some of the best water there is.
He said, you ought to consider putting in a bottling plant.
And I said, well, thank you for the information.
And he said, I just want to be honest with you and tell you so that you don't kick yourself later on when you find out what's really there.
At the time, I thought that was a strange phone call, but I was grateful.
But that's all I know about anything.
Well, actually, vortexes, I mean, water and vortexes really go together.
So that doesn't sound completely out of the question.
If you were given that tip, why don't you investigate further?
You could get a dowser out there, for example.
Well, I mean, we have as many as 40 different water stations for the horses on the property, and we have like a horse and a half pump in the well, and we can pump Tons of water.
I mean, at every one of those water stations simultaneously.
So I know that we have unbelievable water.
Pressure, availability, volume, the whole works.
Well, you could bottle them.
We have dairies that's nearby.
They have hundreds and hundreds of cattle, and they never run short on water.
Even when we have had months of no rain or anything else here in the desert, we've never had a water shortage.
Okay.
Well, that's very interesting.
Perhaps someone listening might be able to help you develop that.
Certainly, that's, you know, one way to make money and be able to save the ranch.
Let's see.
Someone wants to know, are they going to, meaning the ETs, I guess, going to show themselves to the world soon?
Yes, that's what they're telling me.
But again, I'm not going to be the guy that stands up and says, here they are, and there's no proof.
So if they're going to prove, they've got to prove it to me.
And at the same time, they have to prove it to the world.
Now, they've already proved it to me sufficiently, okay?
But they're going to have to do the same thing.
Because I told them, they said, you know, we might want to do like a news conference or something out here.
And I said, well, that would be pretty cool.
But I said, you're going to have to do more than just show up and look like rock stars.
You're going to actually have to show up and bring some big time tangible proof.
And I said, that means at least as big time as when you showed it to me the first time.
And that means a big ship or a dozen or so ships.
You know, something that people can look at it and say, okay, this isn't a trick.
This is the real deal.
And they understand that.
And they sympathize with, you know, the way I'm explaining it to them.
I told them, I said, look, you know, the kids, you know, people in the world are kind of like kids, okay?
And if they're going to be believing in Santa Claus, they need a guy to show up in a red suit with a big bag of toys.
And I said, you know, if you can do that, maybe they'll believe.
I think that, you know, that goes a long way toward proving, you know, that it's real.
But short of that, I'm not willing to stick my neck out and my credibility out there and have it challenged.
Okay.
So I take it that none of the human so-called human ETs that you met with would want to come on the show?
I don't know.
We would have to...
I think if you got Dr.
B on the show, I think she could answer a lot of questions for you that I can't answer because she's had a lot more contact with them than I have.
Okay.
But again, that would just be her word of mouth, right?
I don't know.
I mean, you'd have to ask her.
But I'm more than happy to give you her phone number.
Well, it is word of mouth.
I mean, you can, you know, in other words, word of mouth is word of mouth.
What we do is witness testimony.
When I do an interview where the person is talking, that's the only evidence we have, in other words, unless they demonstrate themselves to be one of them.
In whatever way they wish and so on.
So in her case, it's still witness testimony.
But there's no reason why she's welcome to come on the show as well if she has something to share.
Well, Carrie, I'm thinking that maybe she would bring one or two of them on the show with her.
Oh, I see.
All right.
Well, let's just say there's an open invitation, okay?
Okay.
Okay, have you seen any tall whites?
Yes.
Well, I have seen, on two different occasions, I have seen them, but I have really not had that direct, too much contact with the tall whites.
I've only really been dealing with the smaller ones.
But the photos that are on the ranch website, Those are of taller grays and they are the taller whites.
Okay, I think there's maybe a confusion as to what a tall white is.
The tall whites, as at least Charles Hall referred to them, are not grays of any kind.
They're a certain species of ET that is very tall, thin, blonde, and there's no confusion whatsoever about them being grays.
If you're talking about a tall white gray, is that what you're talking about?
Yes.
And if you're talking about Nordics, yes, I have met those.
Okay.
Well, Nordics would be another race.
Actually, there are many races of Nordics, so then you'd have to kind of qualify.
Did they say what planet they were from, the particular Nordics you saw?
Truthfully, I don't remember.
Okay.
That's terrible, but I'm kind of new to all this stuff.
It's hard to keep track of a lot of it.
Okay.
Fair enough.
Here's a person asking, how do you tell an Earth human from an ET? Yeah.
How do you tell an ET human from an Earth human?
Yeah.
In most cases, when somebody has made a claim, I have asked them to show me some technology or to show me something that wasn't from Earth to be able to validate that.
I have seen some holographic stuff.
I've seen some samples of Large crystal-type objects that I didn't believe were from here.
I have seen star maps.
I've seen a few different things over time that convinced me that they were telling the truth.
Okay.
Your wife has been very much involved in all of this, yet she doesn't come forward.
Is there a reason for that?
She's still employed in mental health, but she's actually sitting right here next to me if you'd like to talk to her.
Well, I mean, I don't want to, you know, we're not trying to pressure her.
Obviously, if she's trying to safeguard a career or something, it's up to you, really.
I'm simply asking whether or not, you know, there's a reason why she doesn't come forward.
Are you saying that she's worried about her reputation and her job?
More about job than anything, because she works in a fairly prominent position in mental health.
Currently.
Uh-huh.
She's concerned that clients that she's working with would see her.
And then that would begin to...
And what about just audio?
In other words, it seems that your story is getting out there, but perhaps these people wouldn't necessarily frequent our channel, for example, or the other shows that you're on.
I know you've done a number of interviews with So the word must be getting out there if they know who you are because your name is obviously there and she's married to you.
So the association could be made in that way.
But if she would like to come forward on audio only and share any stories or anything, she's welcome to do so.
I'll ask her.
Do you want to step up here and take the chair and just do audio only to preserve your anonymity?
Well, in that case, she would stay off the screen so that we wouldn't see her physically, so she could maintain her.
Okay.
How are you with that?
She's willing to do it.
Okay.
That would be great.
I think people would love to hear from her a bit if she's interesting, and she'd like to share in any way.
We can probably hear her as long as she's in the range of the...
We don't need to see her, but...
I'm sorry, what was your wife's name?
Joyce.
Okay, so Joyce, if you can hear me and you would like to tell any stories about your sort of response to all of the things that you've been going through in your life?
You have to speak up.
I guess there's been a lot.
I just don't know, I mean, at what place to begin.
Okay, you're an ex-FBI agent, is that correct?
No, I used to work for the government, but I was a clerk at one time.
In the 1980s.
But it was the FBI. Okay, so you worked for the FBI, but not as an agent.
Correct.
You decided to leave the FBI. Did you have any ET experiences while you were working for the FBI? No.
Alright, and did it start a long time after that?
Yeah, probably many years after that.
Okay.
Well, it was, yeah, many years after.
So do you feel that you are targeted more or less than your husband?
That's kind of hard to say.
I think actually...
I don't know how to answer that, because he's probably experienced a lot of different things than I have.
Maybe because he is actually here more on the ranch than I am, because I have to go to work in Phoenix, so he's kind of stuck on the ranch a lot more.
So a lot of stuff that's happened to me probably has been at night time.
Okay, so are your experiences, in other words, when you both are experiencing something, do you ever see the greys physically?
Physically, not like they're running around during the day.
I've seen...
Kind of hard to explain.
I've seen things probably like kind of like I've been in like a dream state.
Kind of like my mind has been clouded, but I have seen other beings here on the ranch before and I've seen I think a few others off that weren't grays.
I've met some.
Okay, so you've seen other ETs, is that what you're saying?
I remember John saying in one of my interviews he saw a soldier like a Roman soldier.
Are you talking about that or are you talking about ETs?
Both.
I've experienced that with John when the power went out years ago.
I can't remember what year it was.
I remember that same experience where we were...
Watching a movie and the power went out and a big light just kind of turned on the back hallway and seemed like the images of these soldiers came walking around the living room in front of the TV and then out on the other side of the house.
Okay, so there was more than one Roman soldier?
Yeah, there was many.
I don't know how many, but there was many, and they seemed like they were really, really tall.
I remember.
It was kind of like the images were kind of like watching an old black and white movie, but there was many of them.
Kind of walked around the room and they kind of just seemed like they just walked right out of the house to the east side of the house outside.
They just kind of disappeared.
They walked through the living room.
Okay.
Do you think that you have been attacked by greys?
Yes.
And can you talk about that at all?
Like, you know, a story?
Can you tell us, like, Blow by blow, one of the incidents at all.
And try to speak as loud as possible because people...
You know, because of the way we're doing this, the louder you can speak, the better.
Okay.
Sorry, I also have some kind of weird respiratory thing.
She's got the chemtrail flu like I do.
I don't know what it is.
It's been going on since right before Thanksgiving.
Anyway...
Sorry, I lost track now.
Or you got abducted in...
Carried out of the house and up into the triangle.
Well, from what I can recall...
What I can recall...
Somehow I ended up outside on top of John on the ground and I don't know how I got there.
And I kind of like looked up at him and said, what am I doing here on the ground?
And...
He helped me inside, and I didn't really have the recollection of what happened the next morning, except that I could hardly walk, and it was sore all over.
And John didn't really tell me right away.
I don't know, even what the time frame is, he told me right away.
He said, well, you were taken.
That was 1997.
And for some reason...
They don't want me to remember that.
And that was when John went outside and he tried shooting at it to let me go because I was gone.
So you didn't see the craft, in other words?
I might have seen the craft.
I don't...
For some reason, I don't have a memory at that specific moment.
I've seen crafts before, but at that time, I don't...
Remember, and I haven't gone under hypnosis or anything about that incident.
Okay, have you gone under hypnosis, as you call it, or been regressed the way John has?
I've been under hypnosis before a couple times.
And did you have any, can you share what came out under hypnosis?
I went under hypnosis before because I had a lot of hard time sleeping.
And I guess what came out was, from what I recall, that there was a time that someone had been messing with me physically when I was much younger.
For some reason, I've had a lot of disturbances in my sleep.
What do you mean by someone had been messing with you?
Are you talking about ETs or are you talking about a human?
Probably both.
Both?
Yeah, and there have been lots of times that in the past I've waken up like years ago after we moved here.
John and I had both waken up and have actually had both had waken up and we've actually had What do you call it?
Kind of like burn marks on the inside of our thighs.
Kind of like when you get maybe a rope burn to the point where your skin is kind of just really raw and bleeding.
Or how do you explain it?
We've had a number of things from scoop marks to punctures in us to at one point the skin on her hands and feet fell off to the point where we ended up going to the hospital over at both of us because we both had it and it seemed like radiation.
And I do have photographs of all that.
He does.
And some of that will actually be in the book.
I had a lot of photographs.
It's on the website right now.
Losing the feeling of my fingers and my feet had a lot of blistering that wouldn't heal, get better.
And I went to the ER twice within, I think it was some kind of holiday weekend.
I can't remember one.
Anyway, it was just...
It was like Memorial Day.
Tested my blood.
Everything came back negative.
And I was basically ordered off of work for a week.
So I could see an infectious disease specialist.
And by the time I could get in, it was like a whole week.
And John had actually given me some kind of antibiotic we had here from something he had previously years ago.
Because he thought I was going to die from it.
And by the time I got to the infectious disease specialist, the symptoms had cleared up pretty much probably 80% of the way, and they did one more test, which was a swab test.
And I'm like, well, what is it?
You know, all these tests were negative, and you're doing this.
He goes, well, I don't really know what it is, but here's some more antibiotics.
And then, like...
I called back for, I think I called back for the results, and he goes, well, they came back negative.
We don't really know what you had, so we're glad you better.
And so that was that.
There was no other testing.
I had a lot of blood tests.
Let's see.
Because Joyce was not really getting better.
She was getting sicker.
She kept becoming more and more fatigued.
And failure to thrive would be what I would describe it compared to what she used to be.
We ended up going ahead and having about $14,000 worth of blood work done on her at the Mayo Clinic.
And the Mayo Clinic actually came up with a diagnosis.
Which they said that anybody that has this diagnosis, over time it's fatal.
And so we've been dealing with that ever since now.
That's been a couple of years.
And until we met Christopher and Christopher began to work on Joyce, she didn't start getting better.
Okay.
Well, actually, I recall you saying she was starting to get better right around the time I was at the ranch as well.
I'm not sure...
Whether you remember that.
But Joyce, can you tell me, was this, whatever you contacted, did you feel that it was from an ET abduction experience?
Or do you have a thought about why it happened to you?
You mean the illness I have?
Yes.
Well, it kind of doesn't run anywhere in my family, and I guess what I have really predominantly does not affect Caucasians at all.
It does, but not as much as, I guess, others.
So I've been kind of asking, does this...
You know, family members, my mom and dad.
Have you ever heard of this?
Well, actually, that's not really the question.
What I'm asking you is whether or not you think it has anything to do with ET contact.
Well, that's the only thing that I could, and John and I discussed, is the only thing I could think that where it could come from.
Because if it's, you know...
This is typically a disease that affects people of color.
It does not affect people that are white or Caucasian people.
And to both our knowledge, there are no individuals of color in her family line.
Or European, I believe, too.
Well, I mean, having a disease and saying it comes from, it's not usually with people of certain kind of bloodlines or whatever.
Yeah.
The next logical jump is not to thinking that an ET gave it to you or you got it because of ET contact, unless that's what occurs to you.
What I'm asking, Joyce, I guess, is more of an intuitive question.
I'm asking you whether or not intuitively it...
This is where your mind goes, because diseases can come from everywhere and anywhere under the sun.
The first logical place is not ET contact.
So is this something that someone told you, or is this something that intuitively you landed on?
Well, intuitively, I had...
My immunity typically was really, really strong up until probably a couple of years at least after I moved to the ranch.
And for some reason, I mean, it's like I never used to get sick.
And then I started having things happen to me and they've increased over the years.
So intuitively, I think it did come from elsewhere.
Let me jump in here for a second.
There was an event where both of us received skin punctures, and within a week to a week and a half after that, Joyce began to come down with this terrible rash on the bottoms of her feet, on her hands.
She became sick a day or two after that.
I became sick with it.
And both of us had exactly the same symptoms.
We both went to the same hospital and requested treatment.
It did absolutely nothing for us, released us.
We went to another hospital because we were both getting worse.
That hospital acted like they knew we were coming even.
They did absolutely nothing to treat us.
They alerted the Center for Disease Control and shortly after that we began to receive some special kind of attention from individuals in a government capacity.
And I'm not able to tell you more detail about that because I promised I wouldn't.
That's true.
And that is when we proceeded to have meetings with individuals from various universities.
Those universities confirmed that after taking blood from us here on the ranch and sending it out to be processed, that the disease was what it was.
And that it is an extreme immune reaction to an unknown pathogen, a pathogen that the body cannot identify, and so it cannot manufacture a white cell reaction to it.
That's specific to that disease.
What it does instead is it begins to pick specific parts of the body, such as the various organs, and attack them and destroy them.
And that's how people die.
But you both got over this disease, right?
Well, I got over the symptoms within about a week and a half, and I've never had any more problem that I'm aware of.
It seems like my body's been polluted so badly over all the years by different diseases that my body just says, okay, you know, you're in the disease club.
We'll fight you too.
And I seem to get over it.
Whereas Joyce doesn't get over it.
And in this particular case, she's still fighting it.
And she still has scars all over her body from it.
She has, you know, terrible places where she gets these red patches on her.
And then they clear up.
But then they come back, and they kind of look like somebody who has measles or chicken pox.
Okay, well, there could be something in the soil at your ranch she's allergic to also.
Is there, Joyce, can you tell us, did you have abduction experiences when you were young, before you met John?
No.
No.
I never really experienced anything or witnessed anything paranormal up until I moved to the ranch.
All the freaky stuff started after she got together with me.
Well, I mean, you know, that may be true, but it also may not.
You know, and I have to say that a lot of people do have paranormal experiences and don't realize they're having them.
And they may not know they're psychic or particularly empathic, and yet they may be.
What led you to work for the FBI, for example?
Well, I used to have a friend that...
I was just interested, and I had a...
I have a friend who's sister worked for there and she, at the time, I have a criminal justice background.
I have a degree in criminal justice.
So she encouraged me to apply and she said, well, you can apply as a clerk and you can move up if you want.
And actually two years later, I got hired.
So I did it for like almost two years.
It was interesting.
It wasn't for me to stay with.
Okay.
So, in your line of work, are you a therapist now?
No.
You're a health professional of some kind?
Yeah, I work in mental health, and I'll just say that.
I'm not a counselor or therapist.
Oh, you're not?
Okay.
I'm a health professional, and I'll leave it at that.
I can't really disclose at this time what my position is.
Do you have nightmares?
No.
I do.
I would call them nightmares.
John obviously would call them nightmares.
I got the marks on my body that prove that they're nightmares, at least for me, because she gets violence in her sleep and attacks me.
Yeah, I'm kind of like a different person when I sleep.
Okay.
I sleep.
She has, literally, she reenacts events in her sleep, and for the last 15 years, As much as I love my wife, I don't like sleeping with her very much.
So, the ETs that have been disturbing you, according to John, are seen leaning over you.
Are you aware of these ETs?
Leaning over me?
Yeah, in a couple situations he suggests that, for example, they're pinching off some kind of breathing apparatus or something.
I do wear a CPAP mask and so there have been times I've woken up that I've had a hard time breathing and I couldn't figure out why and I had my mask on.
You yourself were not aware that there was an ET in close proximity?
Only according to what John told me the next morning, that he had to fight him off with a sword or whatever.
Okay, well, have you seen the ETs he's been fighting with swords?
No, I haven't seen them in the house.
I've seen a lot of things that they've done.
There's a lot of times that I see stuff and I... like in the evening and stuff and i asked john i said you just see what i saw and he said yeah for an example um there's a lot of times i'll hear things and see things but i don't see like image of a being and so like perfect example there's like an empty water bottle on the table and all of a sudden it'll start moving try to get our attention We'll start moving around and load up.
And things have been lifted off the table.
Simple things.
Wallet.
Dogs.
A little dog.
But I'm always asking John, did you see that?
He goes, yeah.
Hey, good.
You saw what I saw.
We actually have a few dogs that come in the living room and We can tell they can see a lot more than we can a lot of times because they run over to the corner and all of a sudden they'll just stare at the corner and they'll start growling and they'll start barking.
Yeah.
Then they'll back up and then they'll want to like stare at the floor for hours.
And so like we're watching TV and it's kind of funny anyway.
Yeah.
So then we just go, well, get it, get it.
And then they'll start barking at it on the floor.
And so that kind of stuff goes on.
Right.
A lot of...
The only way I can explain this one is images on the ceiling that are kind of...
Like white shadows.
Yeah, kind of like white shadows.
Like a big...
Kind of like maybe, what, 8, 12 inches round blob on the ceiling when...
Obviously, we're not using a flashlight, but it would look like bigger than that.
Big blob, white blobs on the ceiling.
Okay, so do you ever try to communicate with these sort of unseen presences?
Have you ever tried yourself?
Have you ever been communicated with or tried to communicate with them?
Well, I guess in a way there have been times I've gotten pissed off because...
That's a mild understatement.
Well, I mean, examples over the years.
There have been quite a few times that lights have been turned off, or I've been in the shower and the light's gone off, and I go, come on, damn it, just turn it back on.
And John's not around, and so it's...
Smoke alarms when I'm out of state.
Well, yeah, that one.
Um...
Smoke alarms have gone off at 2, 3 o'clock in the morning.
One will start and then all of a sudden all of them will go off and then all of them will be able to shut off all at the same time.
It got to the point where we just went around and it even took the batteries out of them.
Took them out of the ceiling, put them in the drawer, and they still started with go off.
And we'd look at them and like, the battery's not even in it.
There's no battery in it and they're still going off.
Right.
Okay.
Have you ever noticed that you have an ability to affect things around you like lights, etc.?
What do you mean by that question?
I mean, I have the ability.
I mean, you specifically, have you ever seen, you know, walking under a street lamp, for example, have it go off?
Have you had, you know, lights, you know, do the lights in your car?
In other words, are you finding that you're affecting lights?
Not that I recall.
So you're...
I don't know exactly who she is.
We used to have a standing joke that Joyce could make anything that was a electrical break.
Oh, it's not what you're talking about.
Yeah.
Well...
I mean, things that worked perfectly until she got around them, all of a sudden they stopped working.
Yeah, that's what I'm asking.
She'd get out of the car, or she'd get away from it, and then it would go back to working again.
Yes.
I used to tell her that...
She was like a one-person wrecking crew as far as electronics.
To this day, she still doesn't.
I don't forbid her, but I ask her not to touch more expensive electrical things.
Yeah, no.
I mean, Joyce, can you hear me?
Yes, I can.
Are you aware that that's a sign of an ET abductee, a person that's had a lot of ET exposure and tends to also possibly be an abductee?
No, I'm not.
I thought he was just messing with me all this time.
I didn't know.
No, it was terrible.
I used to buy her cars that work great.
I mean, you know, I've always been a collector of sports cars.
And so I'd buy her a car that I thought she'd look hot in.
And the next thing I know, the car is like, you know, going crazy and it's not working.
And I'm thinking to myself...
Not a good thing.
I bought her like a Toyota Supra.
It was a really nice Toyota Supra with a custom paint on it.
It took her like, I don't know, two days for the car to start malfunctioning.
Within a week and a half, everything electric on that car just went kablooey.
And I ended up having to take it back to the guy I bought it from.
And he said, what did you do to the car?
And I said, all we did was drive it.
And he goes, well, I just went through this car mechanically perfectly before I sold it to you.
There was nothing wrong with it.
And then back, it took him like a week just to be able to try to get some things straightened out.
And he said they never did work right again.
So we ended up having to get him to refund the money and take the car back.
Yeah, well, I can tell you that as an intuitive, I can tell that Joyce is, you know, she's kind of like a beacon.
So she's attracting, it's not just the ranch.
But Joyce, you yourself are attracting some of the beings to this ranch.
I just want to tell you that.
Have you, in your abductions, had interactions with ETs that you, I mean, in your regressions, like the regressions that you've had, have you had ETs talking to you in those that then the therapist told you or whatever?
Did you have any information about that?
I honestly don't recall.
I'd probably have to have another one done.
I just kind of recently, in the last year or so, kind of go by with what John has told me.
He actually has witnessed me speaking other languages in my sleep, and so he thinks that I'm having a conversation with another race, which I really...
Honestly, for some reason, my brain is not connecting and remembering it the next day.
Right.
He tells me, and I just kind of laugh about it.
I guess I have a hard time getting my head around that one.
Joyce is very, very good about...
She's kind of like one of those...
Those pop-up dowels, you punch them and no matter how far they tip over, they always pop back up and they're back to normal.
Joyce is kind of like that.
No matter what happens, she just pops back up and keeps going.
She minimizes things because of the fact that the events that she has been involved in and that have occurred around her in some cases have been so traumatic that she has no recall of those events.
And I have to explain them to her because I was right there and it happened, and I saw it.
But it's almost like she experiences sleep paralysis or she experiences some kind of blocking, or maybe she blocks some of it herself because it's so traumatic.
A lot of things she just doesn't recall.
And then what will happen is later on, things will come back to her, but they only come back to her in bits and pieces.
And then even after that, They're so nasty, so bad, that she doesn't want to remember them, and so she lets them go, and then it's hard for her to recall them again.
And I went in a very similar way until I met with this hypnotherapist that I worked with so much here in Arizona, and he was able to get me to the point where I could not only remember, but I could do it in such a way that it didn't freak me out to hear it.
And the way he did that was he recorded the sessions.
And so when I heard my own voice saying the things that I had been told that I said, at that point I understood that, yeah, what I was remembering, what I was hearing on the tape, and what the sort of like three-dimensional or four-dimensional experience was, was real.
But choice has never gotten that far.
Partially because we don't have the availability to that right now.
We don't have the money to be able to do that right now.
And, you know, really, she works so much that she doesn't have the time to be able to go to those kind of things, not to mention go through possibly what the results would be emotionally afterwards.
Sure.
Okay, well, you know, we've had you guys on for a while now.
Joyce, obviously you're an untapped resource, and you think you have a lot of good information that you don't know you have.
So I would encourage you, if and when you can get a chance to...
Even if you were to write, spend some time writing, it may come to you that way, but you could also get there by doing some sessions.
So thank you so much for coming on the show.
I know that the sound is not ideal here.
It's difficult because Joyce is not on the screen, so we're trying to protect her here so that physically she won't be in front of the mic.
Because she's not in front of the screen is the way computers are working.
Maybe at a later date we can arrange an interview with Joyce when she feels up to it and try to make the audio more, you know, It's very difficult with Google Hangouts to get...
There's no way to call or use a phone and get much better results either.
So we're kind of at the mercy of the situation we've got here, everyone.
So there have been some complaints about not being able to hear things.
I will be putting this out.
It's going over YouTube.
You can listen to it again.
Hopefully you can hear it.
Most of what has been said here.
And I want to thank both of you very much for coming on the show.
It's great information.
It's great that you're sharing.
And thank you, Joyce, specifically because I know this was not...
You weren't planning to come on the show and it's kind of unexpected.
And you've done a great job in trying to answer the questions.
Thank you.
Thank you, Karen.
Okay.
Thanks, everyone, for your good questions that came in the chat.
And, you know, it's been fascinating.
Let's try to do this again in the future, John.
And like I said, with Joyce as well, my invitation is open to her at any time.
So both of you take care.
Any parting words from either of you?
I would just say, you know, that anybody that needs to get hold of us, can I go ahead and give my email?
Yeah, absolutely.
You can reach me at johnedmonds411 at gmail.com.
You know, feel free if you have questions or you want to make a contribution to Hopeful Hooves or anything like that to please feel free to contact me.
I try to answer everybody at least once.
Some people have gotten to the point where they...
You know, talk to us a bunch of different times.
I can't promise I'll do that all the time, depending on how much, you know, mail I get.
But I will do the best I can to be responsible for answering respectful questions.
Thank you.
Okay.
I also want to say that Hopeful Hooves, if you could...
John is rescuing animals.
Horses take a lot of money to feed, obviously.
He has a number of dogs and so on.
So if you can help contribute his...
I actually have a banner at the bottom of my website on projectcamelotportal.com.
You can click there.
Also on this posting where this interview will appear.
It will have links.
So if you can contribute to help the animals...
On John's Ranch.
That would be great.
As well as the humans.
That would be wonderful.
Thank you so much.
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