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Jan. 20, 2016 - Project Camelot

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AN INTERVIEW WITH DOC WATERMAN RE WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW

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	Hi everyone this is Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot and I'm here with Doc Waterman.
	We're going to be talking about all things current that are going on on the planet at this time and And specifically, what's going on with Doc, and let me just say that he is a radio talk show host.
	He's been on the air for many years.
	Actually, I don't even know how many years, but we used to do our own shows on the same network, which was overseas, and that was, I mean, we were on the internet, but they were overseas, and And that went on for a while.
	And then I guess both of us went our separate ways for other networks.
	And Doc, I think you have your own show.
	I don't know how often you've been doing your show lately, but I know that you have your own show.
	And so, he is going to be on audio here, so I'm afraid that we're not going to be able to see his lovely face, as it were.
	But nonetheless, it should be still worthwhile.
	And so, Doc, say hello to everyone.
	Hello, everyone.
	Crow and Crow, as I like to call them.
	Okay.
	And I would say he is, well, he's been trained as an intelligence agent of a sort.
	And he has some very interesting stories going way back.
	And I've had him on my show a lot to talk about some of that in the past.
	And we've even done a few New Year's shows together.
	And that was a lot of fun.
	And he's, I think you've been having some health issues lately, but he is a natural path.
	So, and a very good one, from what I can tell.
	And so, Doc, do you want to give yourself a more elaborate sort of introduction than that?
	I would have to say that was pretty comprehensive.
	We don't need to really get too much more detail, except that I've had a couple of careers, my last being a doctor of naturopathy, a biological medicine doctor, professor of pre-med and nursing anatomy, and that happened to be going on in the state of Michigan at the time.
	So, in the beginning of that career, when I was doing my internship, is when I crossed paths with the man that you talked about yesterday, who was training me And I did not know they had profiled me and had picked me to be recruited for what they call Foreign Service, or FS as they call it, which is basically going to some kind of embassy and becoming a spy.
	Now, everybody in an embassy, whether it's the front desk, the secretary, or whatever, they're all experts and they all have a specialty and they are all funeral operatives.
	They are all spies.
	They aren't secretaries as much as they are spies.
	The most obvious being the ambassadors in each of these embassies.
	He carries the profile and the front page of the paper, so to speak, while everybody else is doing the work undercover.
	And that's when I began to be recruited for that.
	They tried to recruit me a long time before that.
	They identified me many, many years ago when I was young.
	I was just in seventh grade.
	Somebody approached my parents and said, we'd like to test your son.
	And so they brought me into...
	They said, okay.
	They verified who he was and all that stuff.
	And so we're going to test him.
	Well, they had to bring me to a house.
	The house was vacant.
	So that's kind of the kickoff of some very bizarre testing that went on for...
	Until I was about 41 years old, off and on I'd get tested.
	They tried to recruit me for the submarine corps, the intelligence communities, the army, you name it, the navy.
	Everybody tried.
	And I wouldn't do it.
	But anyway, the last to show up ended up becoming a good friend.
	His name was Frank Shin.
	He's passed away now.
	So there's no damage talking about what he knew, what he taught me, and so forth.
	He spent 45 years In military kind of rescue logic.
	He mentored me, wanted to recruit me.
	I refused.
	And basically one day he called me and he said, there was a movie made of you and I, and I go, oh, how would they know that?
	And I thought he was joking at first, but he wasn't.
	And he says, well, the movie is called Spiking.
	I said, you're not joking, are you?
	He didn't laugh or anything.
	He said, no.
	And he says, I got to be Robert Redford, is what he told me.
	I said, well, lucky-ducky, you're serious, aren't you?
	And he says, hey, you didn't do too bad.
	You're Brad Pitt.
	Basically, it's about an intelligence officer who had picked somebody up, recruited them, To be in foreign service who then actually ended up refusing to go into it, which is what I did.
	And so that's why Frank called me about it.
	Well, you know, I saw that movie.
	Now, are you sure that movie was actually about you?
	I mean, in other words...
	Yeah, it was just a different venue.
	It wasn't.
	It wasn't China.
	It was Eastern Europe.
	That's...
	Well, actually, I think it was the Middle East.
	Yeah, well...
	It started off with the movie of him being in prison in China.
	Oh, all right.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	But that's not...
	I got hauled off to the Who the Scouts?
	Really?
	Mm-hmm.
	Okay.
	Fair enough.
	I mean, you know, that's cool.
	Now, I'm hoping that everyone can hear us in the chat, but I'm not getting any answers.
	So let me see if that's...
	We do have an audience watching us, so one assumes they can hear us as well.
	But, you know, you can't take anything for granted in this world, I'm afraid.
	So I'm asking the people in the chat to respond and say, how is our sound?
	Because the sound is so important.
	Okay.
	I'm going to chat open.
	Seems like it's very low.
	One of them said.
	I can beef it up a little bit here.
	Let me see what I can do.
	Okay, let me see if I can also do that same thing because I can make us louder, I think.
	Okay, maybe that's better.
	I don't know.
	Is that better, guys?
	Is that better?
	Yeah, it should be better.
	Okay, good.
	So, okay, well, at any rate, so you were the guy that they based that movie on.
	I don't know that I was that guy that they based the movie on, but Frank did tell me it was about us.
	And I never got any more than that out of him.
	I was just sitting there going, they can't.
	How would they know?
	You know, I just could not believe it.
	Somebody go to the trouble.
	Well, actually, the story makes a good script.
	Yeah.
	And he called me and he said they made a movie of us.
	Now, frankly, he does not lightly say things like that.
	He doesn't nonchalantly say this.
	I wouldn't be surprised because when we were out of the country one time, he had to go into a foreign office in a location out of the country and get some passport photos.
	I got seven sets of them and they ended up in a file and off to the military counterintelligence arena they went and I never saw them after that.
	But I've had some very strange things happen that should have got me, you know, not in trouble, but I basically got rescued from getting in trouble.
	And the only way that I can say probably I got rescued is because Basically, I might have ended up in the file where I was in the good guys file.
	But Frank was one of those dying breeds.
	He was one of those that basically was in that he loved his country.
	He would die for his people.
	And he was telling me we were losing lots of high-ranking military that would do that.
	And they were being replaced.
	And the good guys were losing ground very rapidly.
	And that year, He told me that there were 21 generals that were kicked out of the service.
	The good guys.
	They were good guys.
	Okay.
	Well, do you know why the good guys were being kicked out of the service?
	I know it was an agenda.
	It was through the Clinton administration.
	Do you need to say more?
	But yeah, that was an agenda that was being put in place in order to move into a different kind of...
	Well, the agenda in the military-industrial complex wanted to be more aggressive than it was.
	And there were too many, you know, American First or America First military personnel.
	And there is an agenda for a world conquest within that bad agenda.
	And that was beginning to run sideways with the established America First military brass.
	But those guys started getting removed.
	Right, absolutely.
	Well...
	Now, we kind of got into this subject a little left-handed.
	And I'd like to circle back here in a little bit.
	But we have some other things on the agenda.
	First of all, I kind of wanted to start the show out by asking you about Art Bell.
	And you had told me just before we started that you actually...
	Because I was...
	I guess I'm late.
	You know, I'm...
	Kind of behind on the draw here, but I heard that Art Bell, his house was under assault in December and that he's no longer on the radio again, right?
	And so you said you were actually on the show when that happened.
	So can you talk about that?
	What happened was he was in a studio which is not home-based, nearby but not home-based.
	And some people, apparently the same, A person and or group of people showed up at his house armed and there were shots fired and his wife and his daughter were being threatened.
	The police showed up and everything began to be okay.
	He began to talk again and then it started up again and all night long he was getting texts Text from his wife that they were hunkered down trying to keep from getting shot.
	Incredible.
	You mean he stayed on the air when this assault was going on?
	Yeah, he was trying to stay on the air thinking that the police were actually had ended it.
	But it didn't end.
	And it wasn't just that day.
	It continued to be a problem.
	And it actually got more serious.
	Very serious.
	And it ended when he quit being on the air.
	You're kidding.
	Uh-huh.
	And did you hear about this?
	Did he go on the air after that?
	Like to do another show?
	I don't know.
	Subsequent to give a, you know, rundown of what happened?
	Or not?
	Was that it?
	There was a rundown.
	There was a rundown by him on the last day he did his show.
	Uh...
	A lot more detail was given after the fact by the person that stepped in to kind of take that slot that was trying to hold a fork down, and they were convinced he was not ever going to return because of the threat.
	Okay, and who is that that's taken over his show?
	Do you know?
	You know, I can't recall.
	It was a lady that was supposed to do that very spot under the same name or show title.
	Right.
	And was going to try and hold down the phone.
	She says it's big shoes to fill.
	But she gave an update.
	Incredible.
	It was extremely odd what was going on.
	It was in Pahrump.
	And the Pahrump, well, Nevada sheriffs are not well known for really being there for the people.
	So it's not surprising that the help wasn't Probably as effective as it should have been.
	Who knows?
	I don't know who all it was, what their connections were.
	I'm anticipating that maybe he had information that they didn't want someday to get leaked out, especially over the air because he could do it at a snap of a finger while he's on there.
	And they would kill him unless he quit.
	Now, it wouldn't be hard for him to call up any radio station and say, I've got some news, you know?
	Right, but...
	They put him on in a heartbeat, right?
	So, I don't know why it quit.
	And, you know, it got to the point where he was putting in some pretty elaborate security systems, and it just didn't help.
	Right.
	Well, I think I can identify with that, I have to say.
	And maybe you can too, which is part of the reason I have you on my show tonight, right?
	That's right.
	Because we're going to talk about what's happening with you as well.
	And you've had some, I guess, health issues, but it seems to be more than that, right?
	I didn't think it was more than that.
	In fact, it took a lot of people to try and convince me this may not be an accident.
	And it may not be.
	We've had a lot of alternative medicine doctors getting murdered.
	Some of them that, you know, were on air, actually, were like Dr.
	Hurley that was on GCN. And some of those doctors that you heard about, especially connected to the GMF, that's a remedy that was being used for that particular thing that is not adjunct to the vaccines.
	But rather was put in the vaccines that targets a very specific gene in the human genome that turns off our ability to fight all viruses, but in particular fight cancer.
	And so if you give people an injection of what that gene's turned off to make, which is a counter and a killer to the problem, People got well.
	Well come to find out putting it in the vaccines caused the problem is a big factor in a lot of autism today.
	So given the natural remedy that was coming out of Europe began to remove autism and actually cure cancer problems because this specific The thing that they added is called Nautilates, by the way.
	It was causing people to get sick.
	All kinds of problems.
	Well, the only way you could get this stuff was through an alternative doctor.
	Not that the medical establishment couldn't.
	It's just that there's a standard of care that doctors have to, that are licensed, maintain, or they get a lot of pressure and maybe even So to speak, they're licensed to taking a microphone.
	As a practitioner, yes, I'm a board-certified practitioner, and I have access to a lot of this stuff, but Dr.
	Rao, out of Switzerland, is who trained many of us MDs, MDs, DOs, so forth, over several, well, it was a decade and a half now, and I was in the very beginning from one of the first Classes when the Marion Institute sponsored Dr.
	Rao coming over to teach medical doctors this new approach called biological medicine.
	It was so different that it even was hard for me as a naturopath to sit there and comprehend and believe I can imagine what the MDs were thinking.
	I was already at least halfway home, you know, with my training, but I even had to turn around and be re-educated from this German, the Swiss actually, he was in Switzerland, of what was going on, but it was on the heels of research that had been produced by a fellow by the name of Enderwein, Who really was the precursor to what he called a protease, and today we call them prions.
	And his research was never publicly admitted, but there was a medical doctor in the US, a researcher I should say, that he got a Nobel Prize for finding out how prions disease or mad cow disease came about.
	But that was all on the shoulders of this fellow by the name of Enderman, Who had discovered what caused the problem.
	Okay, but I have to stop you there because I'm confused about what you're saying.
	Are you trying to link this up with your own health issues?
	I think that what I'm saying is there's gods of doctors that have been possibly attacked for their service.
	I have been doing this exact kind of work for over a decade.
	And one of the doctors that Was trained by Dr.
	Rao, was murdered.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Okay, so you feel that perhaps what's happening here is that you are being targeted as part of that overall hit on these type of doctors.
	I'm going to give you what happened and let everybody else decide.
	Okay.
	It's really, you know, hard for me to believe it's impossible, but you know, I'm not your normal, you know, alternative medicine doctor.
	I'm not your normal biological medicine.
	I've had that, you know, person haul me, try to haul me just as soon as I was finishing up my internship.
	He tried hauling me off to be a spy and I wouldn't do it because I changed careers and spent all that time and I wasn't going to do it again.
	So here's what happened.
	We're in the Ozarks, I'll just say that much.
	One night I was on a show.
	I've been on two networks.
	I'm on allnews.network, and I had a short start, just shortly before this happened, it started on GCN Network, GCN Line.
	And I was on a late night show, and that night I wasn't feeling right.
	I was very quiet.
	I co-hosted a night show called The Truth Traveler with Aaron Dacons.
	I was very quiet.
	Doc, sorry to interrupt you, but when was this?
	What year?
	November the 12th.
	And last year, November the 12th.
	Okay.
	So I went to bed, and that night I felt, although I wasn't feeling quite right, I was feeling kind of exhausted by the time I went to bed, which was right after the show.
	I was feeling the best I had felt in years.
	I go, this is strange.
	You know, I just got through feeling bad.
	It was And it came on to me all of a sudden.
	In the middle of the night, I woke up with excruciating abdominal pain.
	I ran into the bathroom wondering what was going on.
	I didn't run.
	I kind of collapsed on the walls and crawled into the bathroom where I passed out.
	And I woke up.
	Wow!
	I fell back in and told my wife, you know, call an ambulance.
	Now this is the first time in two and a half decades that I've gone to a doctor.
	A medical doctor.
	Right.
	Wow.
	And, yeah.
	So this kind of gives you an idea of how much I thought I needed at least some help here.
	Right.
	And I ended up having bleeding from my body out of my openings and ended up in emergency.
	And they did CAT scans, full body x-rays, abdominal x-rays, They did, you know, blood panels, tests, cultures.
	And they couldn't find anything.
	Not a thing.
	Nothing was wrong.
	My blood tests were like great.
	There was no sign of anything in any of these pictures that they took.
	But I can tell you right now, it wasn't feeling good.
	So the doctor came out and he basically said, I don't know what's happened.
	But it doesn't look like you're dying.
	I don't know what to say.
	Well...
	It does or it doesn't?
	It doesn't look...
	He didn't see anything, so he said, you're not...
	I don't see anything that I've got that says your life is at risk, and so I'd just suggest you go to your doctor.
	You know, right, okay.
	Well, he knew...
	By the way, he knew who I was.
	He knew what I did.
	Well, if he didn't, he forgot, because I had been in there...
	Just recently, somebody with a broken arm so they should have known.
	Anyway, I felt really bad.
	I was disoriented, dizzy.
	I was in excruciating pain.
	My blood sugars were just a tad too high.
	Well, that became worse.
	Blood sugars began to be extremely high, low, dizzy, fainting, nausea, the whole bit.
	All of this started Happening after the fact.
	And two days later, I had a problem again.
	And I didn't want to go to that one, so I told my wife, work on the drive an hour away, and she says, can you make it?
	I said, well, I'm not going to get any help at this other place.
	Whenever you teach pre-med and nursing, it's ridiculous to say this.
	Oh, I don't know what's wrong, but you're not dying.
	If you don't know, I would never have taught that in pre-med and nursing.
	I never would have taught that.
	Because if you don't know what's wrong, then you don't know if the person's dying or not.
	You know, what if they swallowed a ticking time bomb?
	And you don't see, it doesn't mean they're not going to die.
	So just because they couldn't find it did not mean my life wasn't in jeopardy.
	However, it didn't look systemic.
	It didn't look like it was degenerative in nature or any of those kinds of other labs that they thought, you know, are...
	At first, I thought I was having a heart attack, but they rolled that out real quick.
	So all of those trauma things that they go through in their list didn't show up anything, but I was in the emergency room in a different hospital two days later.
	Incredible.
	I saw three doctors.
	This was quite an advanced one.
	This one...
	Was for a small area, a small town of about 12,000.
	It was very advanced.
	Basically, they came up with what they said was pulmonarily a diagnosis.
	Diferodiculitis and possibly worse and recommended that I have this colonoscopy and a bunch of other stuff, okay?
	And but They left after they said that and then they came back in like I thought well I don't feel too much better they had me on an IV for fluids and I was beginning to feel a little bit better but when they told me all that and then left all of a sudden they rushed back in there was nurses and doctors and there were two bags of IVs getting hung on you know the tree there and I thought well this doesn't look good You
	know, being in my profession, you're probably the worst patient they could have.
	You can't think clear, so you really are not objective.
	But you have all these suspicions of what it might be.
	But anyway, you get kind of...
	I'm trying to be nice.
	I'll just say it that way.
	But they put two bags of antibiotics on me.
	We're dripping them in very rapidly.
	And they said, what are you putting in me?
	Well, it was the first antibiotics I've ever had like that, ever in my life.
	And one of them ended up just about, oh, it was horrid.
	It was Sephora.
	You know what Sephora is.
	That's the one they gave everybody because of all the horrible scare for, you know, the worst viruses you can get.
	It's supposed to be the answer to keeping you from being...
	Anthrax to death and all that stuff.
	They gave it to Congress and all that.
	I see.
	It's extremely toxic.
	Oh, wow.
	Extremely toxic.
	But you were allowing this, so you knew...
	Well, actually, they did it without even asking.
	They just...
	Oh.
	You know, when you go in, you sign it, and you're just kind of sitting there, and, oh, they had given me a sedative to take the nausea away, and they had given me a pain shot.
	So where, I mean, just if you don't mind my asking, what about your wife?
	She was just watching this situation?
	She was, well, when they would come in like that, she'd be off, you know, maybe in the corner wondering what's going on too, you know.
	But I said, when is this going to be, you know, and I found out, I said, how long are you leaving?
	It says we're almost done with it.
	So it was done before I could, you know, say to stop it.
	Okay.
	I didn't feel too well.
	When you're bleeding from your rectum, all of a sudden, you know, with no cause, it's kind of hard to believe it's diverticulized, but they said, well, it can be, it can be.
	So I called in my, I called, actually, I rested at home.
	I called some friends of mine, and actually, they were colleagues, one of my friends, And these are doctors that work with some of the labs that I deal with and help give advice to these labs.
	And I talk to their doctors.
	So I called several of these and I had one friend out of state who is a DO. And I said, look, I said, Jim, you've got to help me.
	I can't think clear.
	I can't think clear at all.
	I'm not able to be objective.
	And I said, here's what it's like.
	So I went up and saw him, and he said, look, you've got to take this one for sure.
	And I said, well, I want all of this stuff that they're trying to make me take.
	He says, yeah, take this one for sure.
	I said, I'll trust you, but by golly, I'm going to add to my protocols.
	So I got a hold of Dr.
	Harris, who used to be on GCN. I got a hold of some other doctors that are related, like I said, to these labs.
	I began to set myself up a protocol for what possibly might be the worst situation, which was cancer, in my mind.
	But that's not what I had, because I had no chemistry, or blood chemistry, I should say, or blood test, that equated to anything like that whatsoever.
	I had perfect lab results.
	There should have been information and pictures and all kinds of other, but nothing showed up.
	I just started to treat myself like I was having the worst situation, knowing that it would cover some of these other possibilities in the meantime.
	And so I began to have dizziness, grogginess, couldn't think clearly, blood sugar problems, vertigo, ringing in the ears was big time.
	And then I had a really, I could tell another event was kind of getting, it was always in the house and always came with the same symptoms.
	I could tell they were coming on, so I called him.
	He says, I want you to go to the local hospital because of the time of day.
	This is my friend.
	He says, all I want is a blood test right now.
	I said, I don't want to go to him.
	He says, no, we're not going to, just go there to get a blood test.
	And so he called it in for me.
	Because you can't do this for yourself.
	You're not allowed to.
	And so I said, okay.
	So I get there.
	And when I get into the emergency room, I couldn't even walk.
	So I was in a wheelchair.
	I rolled up to the car and got me in it.
	When I got to the emergency room to get the blood drawn, they wouldn't let me.
	They just sent me straight into emergency and started to get IVs in me because they had seen that I had dehydrated.
	And I don't know why.
	Now let me tell you, that was my last trip.
	I absolutely refused to let that kind of stuff happen again because nobody could find out for sure what was going on.
	So let me tell you what was going on around my home.
	Prior to that, my wife and I had been smelling some odd odors around the bathroom.
	Or the sinks as if there was some kind of gas coming into the house.
	Oh no!
	Okay?
	So, I called the water company and I said, I want to know what's going on.
	We'd like to know what's happening because we've got these odd smells.
	So the water company came out and they checked the fire hydrants and they Said they wanted to, you know, make sure that there was clean water at least getting up that far.
	So they opened the hydrants.
	Even though I'm in a very small town on the edge of the town in the Ozarks, they opened this hydrants and closed it back up.
	But they had, you know, city vehicles and so forth.
	And about an hour after that, some strange man showed up in a pickup with jeans and t-shirt on.
	And it looked like a private vehicle.
	And he says, I'm here for the city.
	I go, oh, well, they just came.
	He says, well, I need to get water out of your kitchen or, you know, get some water.
	I said, well, okay.
	He says, do you have a glass?
	I said, well, yeah.
	How about a plastic?
	He says, wait a minute.
	He says, no, I can't do that.
	I wouldn't actually, I was trying to keep him from it.
	Coming in my house.
	I didn't know who this guy was.
	He wasn't identifying himself.
	He just said he was with the city and the city had just arrived.
	So pretty soon he said, oh, you've got a faucet out here on the house.
	I said, yeah.
	He said, oh, I can go over there.
	So he actually went over, walked it, turned it on, splashed a little of the water around, came over and says, it doesn't smell bad to me.
	I go, that's all you're going to do?
	He says, well, If you have any more problems, call City.
	Well, didn't you ask him to show you ID or something?
	No, he didn't show an ID. I know, but why didn't you ask him?
	Well, I was getting ready to, but he kind of took over the conversation, and as soon as he ended what he was saying, he walked off, and I was going to ask, but I knew right that he wasn't going to show it.
	He walked over his truck, got in immediately.
	Now, here's something to remember.
	If you have a faucet on your house, That's, you know, like for hoses.
	If you have the right kind of equipment, you can hook a hose up to somebody's house, and if it has enough pressure on the other end of that hose, which has to be more than like 125 pounds pressure, you can pump backwards into the water system through that by opening up the faucet and then turning it back off and pump something in the bag.
	Did you know that?
	Well, that's not very good information, but yeah.
	I mean, it's good to have, but I mean...
	Well, the bad guys already know that.
	All right.
	Okay?
	But that wasn't it.
	I mean, that wasn't all.
	Okay.
	In the meantime, we were looking for property, so we'd been renting this house.
	We were renting it.
	And we called the landlord and said, you know, we still get this order.
	The city came out.
	We called him.
	We didn't even tell him we'd done that, but we did after the fact.
	And I said, we don't know what's going on.
	We think it's a sewer.
	And he said, oh, there might be some problems.
	So he called a group to come out and they started digging on our sewers.
	And they dug out from the garage door outside the sewer pipes.
	And they took a shovel and busted one of the sewer pipes open because it's PVC. And left.
	And just left everything open.
	And he couldn't find...he couldn't get them to come back.
	And he had no idea why they wouldn't come.
	They just wouldn't come back.
	They were too busy.
	So I thought that was fairly peculiar, but I couldn't find out who these people were, so he had to get another crew to come out and fix all this that had been left.
	And I began to wonder, what in the world have they busted in this pipe for And then just left as soon as that happened.
	And then right after, and that was the two things that were going on just previous, right prior to my event.
	Now, there is something strange about this because my wife and I are in this house, but she didn't have this problem.
	She did not get this problem.
	Right.
	So I go, well, then maybe this has nothing to do with, you know, how I feel.
	But then I began to find out, in fact, even today, as late as today, I had some information that people all over the country are having trouble with ultrasound, it's called ultrasonic frequencies affecting them exactly how I had been feeling.
	So when I finally found that one, which seems to be Enough to write about that's happening to enough people.
	I began to wonder, well, maybe they did electronically attack me.
	Now, I had that told to me.
	And I began to say, well, you know, I'm out of the show, so to speak.
	You know, all the stuff that I was involved with, they passed by.
	And even maybe some of the people, the bad guys that might have been, you know, after me, they're retired.
	You know, why would I be?
	Like Chip Tatum said, there's still a file on you, Doc.
	Well, you know, I mean, but are you going to tell me that that's it?
	That you don't have anything else about this yet?
	No.
	Not yet.
	I don't.
	I don't have anything else other than these people showing up to my house right before I got sick.
	And I have no evidence whatsoever of anything that they can find that happened to me.
	At the same time though, the owner of the radio station that I was on, exactly at the same time, came down deathly ill, ended up in a hospital outside the country with an IV and with bags of antibiotics in him.
	Because he had spiked a fever.
	Now, I didn't get a fever.
	I've had low-grade fevers, but I began to take things that probably nobody would ever think of taking.
	Very exotic stuff that's alternative.
	Probably these people would maybe, if there's anything at all like he got in me, they wouldn't be able to exist.
	They wouldn't work for him.
	Are you at liberty to say what those things are, or do you prefer not to?
	No, no, I can tell you.
	One of them is LDM-100.
	I know that not very many people know what that is, but it's a very rare plant.
	It's a botanical.
	It is very...
	It helps immune systems.
	It fights all kinds of stuff.
	I was taking Venus Flytrap.
	Now, that's kind of bizarre in that it The Venus flytrap has the capacity to regenerate its own cells when they did testing to find out if it could help people.
	Well, lo and behold, it can help at the genetic level for tissue repair and actually rebuild tissue that won't grow back because it's almost like stem cell enhancement, in other words.
	But it's even more aggressive.
	And it works in the GI tract extremely well.
	Okay.
	So I did that, and then I took a special blend with S-E-N-X-T, and that's for cancer, but I had in it Una de Gata, which is also an immune building and repair.
	Then I took some other kind of odd things like slippery dome bark, which the Indians used because I couldn't eat.
	I couldn't eat anything.
	I couldn't keep my food in me.
	It was really bad.
	And I had lost four sizes in my pants.
	Not that I couldn't, you know, not that I didn't need to lose weight, but that's pretty radical.
	Right.
	To go down four sizes.
	Yep.
	And so the Indians used to eat or take Cyprian bark during famines and stuff, and they could live off of the Cyprian bark.
	But it's a mucilaginous herb.
	It coats the intestinal linings.
	It's very soothing and And nourishing, so I was eating that.
	That's what I was probably living on for now.
	Somebody's asking you how you took the venous lie trap.
	Was it a tea?
	It's an extract, and it comes in liquid form, and you take it orally.
	And since it was a GI tract problem, I was just getting a double dose of repair because it was right in contact with the tissues that actually did need repair.
	Okay.
	Anything else that you want to tell people about?
	Well, there's a number of other remedies that I did take.
	Some of them were off and on, and of course, I added to it some homeopathics, a variety of homeopathics to basically instruct my body, here's what you need to do.
	I was extremely weak.
	I'm only about 75% back.
	I've got a lot more strength than...
	I've only been back probably on the air two weeks.
	The first week was kind of iffy that I should have even been on the air.
	I couldn't work.
	I couldn't navigate.
	I couldn't even think clearly.
	This is the most clear I've been on.
	I even added to my protocol something called Prevagen, which Because I was getting groggy-headed and I couldn't think, I thought something had gotten past the blood-brain barrier and attacked my brain.
	So I got onto Prevagen, which helps restore and get rid of dementia and all those kinds of problems.
	And so I was dosing myself and Stella M with something called Prevagen Pro, which is a professional dose level of something you can get over the counter.
	What about...
	If anybody's wanting to know a whole list of stuff you take from this for a GI problem, I got the whole list.
	I can send it to them.
	But it's, you know, it's these kind of things.
	Now, here's what's interesting, too.
	You know, most everybody has to either accommodate themselves with insurance or do Obamacare and all that stuff, right?
	So when I applied to have these emergency rooms, It's the first time I ever had to do any insurance like this at all for two and a half tickets.
	And I turned it in.
	I got refused.
	I mean, we qualified.
	But Homeland Security stepped in the middle of all this mess.
	And they said they're going to be watching me for five years for some reason.
	But I'm getting help for that.
	I don't know what the outcome is going to be.
	So I'm still stuck with thousands of dollars of Emergency rooms are qualified under the care that I qualified for, but they won't give me.
	So I knew, I began to, you know, accumulate all this information, and I'm finally beginning to wonder, you know, I'm very politically incorrect in my healthcare regimes.
	There are doctors dropping like man.
	In fact, some of them are very close that I know.
	Some of them that were trained right alongside of me.
	Why would I not think I was a target?
	I mean, I'm still on the air, at least.
	I do care long distance.
	Oh, and you know a lot of stuff.
	You know the same kind of things I know, and so that makes logical sense.
	I mean, I was attacked this year also, which people will know.
	Basically healed from it now, but...
	So I know that Maxine Taylor, I don't know if you know, she's a radio talk show host, and she had a show on my network, and I think she had a heart attack in a parking lot when she was trying to get onto my network, like just learn how to get onto it.
	Did it come on suddenly, or did it kind of creep up on you?
	What happened to me?
	Overnight.
	Actually, yeah, in the middle of the night, I was actually struck by, I don't even know what happened.
	I've got lots of theories.
	I had four psychics independently report that I was electronically, you know, that there was a scalar wave basically sent at me.
	I was in a hotel room near Sanford.
	In Palo Alto, Northern California, on the way to go interview, it was going to be my fourth interview with Captain Mark Richards, who worked in the secret space program and is in prison for 30 years.
	And I was on the way to interview him, literally.
	I went to sleep that night and I woke up in the morning with half my face frozen, like paralyzed, like looking like Bell's palsy.
	But nothing had happened to me that I know of.
	Actually, I've even toyed with the notion that, because I was with my boyfriend at the time, that we were both drugged and taken out of there because we're right near Stamford Park.
	You know, hospital at Stanford, the whole thing.
	And that's like a major underground base there.
	You know, Norm Bergram has talked about it.
	And one of the psychics who remote viewed the situation said that actually it was a team and they were in the Berkeley area.
	But it's a continuous underground base that goes from that area of Palo Alto up north.
	As you may know...
	That syndrome that you're talking about, It's common with everybody that I know has been attacked.
	It's never been creeping up like, oh well, it was hurting and it began to get worse.
	It wasn't that.
	It's always fun.
	But I have to say that three or four days prior to when it happened, at night, only at night, I felt a pulse hitting me right behind the back, right near the right ear, behind the back of the ear.
	And they said, well, that doesn't have anything to do with Bell's policy.
	I was diagnosed.
	I went to a chiropractor, and I went to...
	Well, I ended up having acupuncture.
	That's how I healed it.
	But...
	It's not funny, but isn't it?
	I have always taught when I was teaching that the existing medical model was broken.
	In fact, when I was a professor, I wrote a paper on that, and I thought I'd get fired, but I didn't.
	But the medical models, they don't have answers for what you have going on.
	Or what I am going on.
	They don't have answers.
	But I was told that I didn't have Bell's Palsy, actually.
	Well, they didn't.
	The doctor said.
	Because I didn't have the right symptoms that went along with it, whatever.
	And...
	So it was a targeting.
	That's my point.
	So the point is that Maxine Taylor, there were other people that were hit around the same time.
	Actually, some people got death threats.
	And now you're talking about yourself that happened in the fall.
	And see, it seems to me to be a concerted effort to shut the alternative sector up.
	That was what seems to be...
	That's the only reason.
	I mean, I'm not...
	Well, I am carrying around some insurance, so to speak.
	I do have information that if I had enough guns supporting me, so to speak, I could bring it up to open up cases, and those cases are dead files that they never die because the statute of limitations on this kind of crime do not ever go away.
	So you have like a, would you say it's like a get out of jail free card?
	If I were to have to use it, then I wouldn't have any more ammo left.
	But yeah, that's, you know, I have been in courts, testified in federal courts on drug people.
	In fact, there were 17 witnesses and I was the only one that survived and showed up.
	Wow.
	Wow.
	Incredible.
	Yeah, and I was chasing the big, well, it was in Kansas City where it was being held, and I was chased going down the streets the long way, hoping to get a cop to pull me over, because I was being chased on my third appearance.
	And anyway, I lost them rather than, you know, a cop helping me out.
	But I was escorted in and out of, I was surrounded by police.
	You know, when I'd go out, they'd want to know where I was parked, and they wouldn't let me point, and they'd They'd be surrounding me and we'd go into a coffee shop and they'd be at the door watching to see what was going on.
	They'd say, okay, it's clear now.
	We can go.
	So that's some of the kind of things.
	That's just part of it.
	Well, I mean, you've been on the cutting edge for a long time.
	You've also been very involved with the militias, correct?
	Right, right.
	That got me plastered all over Nightline television in 95 during the Oklahoma City bombing.
	Would you say, based on your experience, you know what's going on with the Oregon, the sort of, I don't know if you want to call it, the resurgence of the Bundy Ranch kind of situation.
	Right.
	A lot of people think that's a false flag, as we call it.
	Do you think that's what it is, or do you think, I mean, it sounds pretty legitimate to me, I have to say.
	It's a legitimate effort, and it started off, they're trying to co-op it.
	There have been people that are in alternative media that are not really who you think they are.
	In fact, I have people that have information saying that they're getting federal pay.
	I don't have enough information to say who I'm talking about yet, but if I get it, I'll tell you over the air.
	Okay.
	Well, you have told me a couple people in the past.
	But I actually know a couple others.
	And they're there, and they're causing trouble.
	But the problem is it's a legitimate operation.
	And what we're talking about is a war between jurisdictions, a war between an occupational force that has taken over the United States people's countries.
	Their agenda and their kind of law, and that's what's actually occurring there.
	It's a stand that's worthy, I guess, of happening, but of course, there's so much power behind the bad guys.
	They're going to make it bad, really bad.
	The problem that we've got is there is behind the scenes, and I kept telling everybody, you need to have Intel coming out of where they're at, where the FBI is located, so you'll know what they're up to, and I know what they'd be up to if I saw it.
	And only today did I get videos that was videotaping what was being set up, and we're getting some really scary stuff set up there.
	We're getting portable triage and medical care units put up outside that area, which means they, in They are planning on engagement and they're not expecting to come out without being hurt themselves.
	So they have their own documents.
	Are you saying in Oregon this is happening or somewhere else?
	No, in Oregon.
	Right now.
	Oh, really?
	Okay.
	But you also mentioned that you have some, I don't know if it's sort of cutting edge information about what's going on with the Hillary situation.
	Yeah?
	Yeah, the Hillary situation is pretty persuasive.
	What you've got is the president has appointed James Coney to lead this investigation on Hillary.
	What's unusual about this is that he is literally a I guess what I could say is he has a long history and a long pedigree of rule of law, the enforcement of the rule of law.
	He's kind of like a Boy Scout and he's a Republican.
	And for a rule of law guy to come in saying we're going to do the right thing, when the whole pot's dirty, Really kind of makes you wonder, well, what's the shoe that's going to drop?
	But here's what's going on.
	And he's well known for this.
	He has quite a reputation.
	He has actually a very well-known reputation for being a straight shooter.
	He's a trusted person to protect the rule of law.
	And what they're investigating, what he has is 100 current, there are 100 Active service FBI agents investigating the email cases and emails that Hillary Clinton has going.
	There are, you know, at least a thousand violations, probably more, but there are also, he has pulled 50 retired FBI agents out of retirement to work on an expanded investigation A public corruption.
	And this public corruption has to do with foreign persons buying favors from the Clintons by putting money in the Clinton Foundation.
	So this has expanded the implication.
	And it's so pervasive, such a large investigation from a person that no doubt has a lot going for it.
	There are some attorneys within the Beltway We're expecting an indictment to come.
	Now, the timing of an indictment on Hillary is really important because if I was, for example, it was me, James Cumming, if I was James Cumming, and I was leading this charge investigation, I certainly wouldn't want it to end too soon so that she's convicted while Obama's in office only to get pardoned, right?
	So, what his interest is is to wait to file it but not too late to do something about it and so he's going to collect more deep investigative information and he has his entire reputation at stake now and it's there's a vast this is a vast number of agents that are on this case and it suggests there's an indictment coming soon and With this
	appointment of Obama to the Attorney General of the U.S., Lorela Lynch, who's now, you know, going to have to prosecute this case, he's trying to find out if he's got, and probably does have quite a bit, he'll be bringing to her, saying, I've got enough evidence, I want an indictment.
	Well, she can deny it, but more than likely it'll be so overwhelming she will not be able to, and I don't think Loretta Lynch wants to throw herself on a sword for Hillary.
	Hillary's not the kind of person that has people falling on their sword for her.
	She's not that kind of personality.
	There have been politicians that people would do that for, but not Hillary.
	Okay, but let me just ask you, because this, you know, we're really talking about, it seems to me, the presidential election.
	If she's taken out of the game, you know, who's left?
	The other shoe drops, and that's a big one.
	Yeah, because what are we talking?
	Trump?
	Jeb Bush?
	She's a Democrat, so who would the Democrats replace her with?
	I don't know, because there was rumblings about John Kerry, and there were some rumblings about, you know, what's his name, the vice president?
	Biden.
	Well, Biden is actually one of them that's been mentioned by the people that I know, along with Bernie Sanders as the replacement to Hillary.
	And Bernie Sanders has...
	Gained significant in the New Hampshire stuff in Iowa, too, since a lot of the...
	I know, but you have to...
	I mean, we're not...
	I get the Democrats would put someone in there, but you have to look at the Trump situation.
	Of course.
	So what do you have to say about that?
	Whether or not he's a good guy or a bad guy...
	He's been a wrecking ball to the normal routine of the dialectic.
	The dialectic is there.
	You don't make any difference whether Republican, Democrat, you know.
	They control both.
	Absolutely.
	And I think the problem with him, Trump, is that his ego is so big that he's not going to let him control him.
	And he doesn't need their money, so he doesn't worry about them supporting him.
	And whether he's right or wrong, I really don't pay attention, but it's kind of funny because he's actually thrown a wrecking ball.
	He's this big wrecking ball into the two-party system and this dialectic that they've constantly been throwing at us and developing from, you know, the Bushes to the Clintons and now back, you know, to the Clintons.
	Come on, give me a break.
	Like, it was Clinton and the Bush, and we're going back to the Clintons.
	You know, this was just a dialectic game they were playing at the polls.
	And he'd throw the wrecking ball in it.
	Right, wrong, good, or bad.
	And, in fact, there's been predictions that the two-party system's going to collapse this year.
	Yeah, I've heard that.
	And that's a whole interesting thing.
	Okay, well...
	In terms of, you know, because this is all very interesting, but is there anything else in terms of what's going on?
	Because, you know, I don't know if you consider yourself a prepper.
	I think of you as a prepper because you kind of are an off-the-grid kind of guy in a way.
	Yeah?
	Sure, sure.
	Okay.
	Okay, and so you're looking at the economic situation, and you do have some financial background as well, right?
	Do you want to tell people about that a little bit?
	Well, in my undergraduate study, I focused on business economics, macroeconomics.
	In that realm, of course, most anybody with an undergraduate degree It really isn't considered as a very serious student of economics or finance.
	I also have a business along with my healthcare.
	We transcribe notes from New York on investment banks.
	And so we have these meeting notes.
	And so really it's kind of like cheating.
	I know what's coming.
	I know what's going on.
	And I'm under contract.
	I can't say who it is, but if I said it, you would immediately know who it is.
	They write regularly in Forbes.
	They're well-known.
	And I hear their meetings.
	I hear what they think.
	I hear what their clients, that they're dealing with, that are...
	In order to qualify for these kind of people to talk to these kind of banks, you have to be a multimillionaire.
	So, we get this news.
	We know what they're thinking.
	We know what the people in business that have lots of money are thinking.
	We know what the banks are thinking.
	We know what they're up to.
	We know what their lies are, actually.
	And we're seeing the collapse in play right now.
	In fact, I'm really serious about it.
	In fact, I've been suggesting that ground crew people take some measures right now.
	And one of them is to go to upma.org.
	That's the letters U-P-M-A dot org.
	And set yourself up an account.
	Read all about it.
	I won't get into it now.
	And you'll be actually in a very strange venue that allows you to protect your assets.
	It's very interesting.
	It's a very interesting organization.
	We can talk about it more in depth maybe some other time.
	But the first thing that I think will happen is going to be the economic problem.
	There are people thinking that it's coming March-April.
	I think maybe that's the case.
	It's going to start in March-April.
	It's not going to end in March-April, but it will be fiat problems.
	In other words, it will be Federal Reserve note problems.
	And the big clencher on the whole thing will end up in this Fall-September-October timeframe.
	Actually, maybe more like August-September.
	And so, whenever you get into An economic collapse, and I've been in two countries that had it, thanks to Frank.
	But the first thing that goes is everybody thinks of Thunderdome mentality.
	Well, Thunderdome mentality is easy to deal with.
	You know, you protect yourself, you do barter and trade, but that's simple.
	That's not how it's going to be.
	I think we need to think more in terms of how the Soviet Union collapsed.
	They had problems heating, sometimes they'd have electricity, sometimes they wouldn't.
	Sometimes they'd have food, sometimes they wouldn't, sometimes they'd have phones, you know, it was off and on.
	Everything was very sporadic.
	But they didn't crumble into Thunderdome, okay?
	And that's where we have this problem with most preppers, most people preparing, is they think there won't be phones, there won't be internet, there won't be electricity, there won't be this, there won't be that, you know, all that kind of thing.
	That's not how it works.
	You slide into problems.
	And no, they're not going to come house to house to take your guns.
	It's a little different than that.
	What they do, let me give you an example.
	They want guns.
	They'll just pass a law saying, well, when you renew your tag on your car, since you've got a license, a gun because you have to file paper to get it, we know what you've got, and those are the guns we want, and if you don't turn them in and get your paper, you can't get your tag renewed.
	That's the kind of pressure they use.
	That's the beast system, so to speak, and the type of pressure they'll put on people to cause them problems.
	And then, you know, if you don't get your tag renewed, you get pulled over, you get tickets, you start having problems, and then, of course, you might also need it for fining your taxes, and you know what happens when you don't.
	So it just begins to be this horrible grinding sound of the system, the big cogs in the wheels, Just crunching people without ever having to go through the door.
	And people can get pretty hungry and things start changing for the agenda maker.
	Right.
	Okay.
	Well, I mean, that's an interesting way of looking at it.
	In terms of your background in the militia, you were actually head of which militia again, was it?
	Well, let me kind of tell you the personality of the world of militia.
	Some of them get started, and the guy that starts, he's the commander and always is the commander.
	So he's got three or four guys.
	I mean, that's one kind.
	The kind that I was in was where it was in each county in the state that I was in, Saywood State.
	And you were locally voted on by your people to know whether or not you were in a leadership capacity for your county.
	It was more like, yes, it's a militia, but it's also run by the people.
	It's a people's.
	After a while, it had been going for a while, county command people would meet, and there were big meetings from the entire region or state, and they began to do establishing policies and things like that, and I got kicked out of one meeting one time, a large meeting, and I thought I was in trouble, actually.
	I didn't know what I'd done, but I thought I was in trouble, and I came back, And they had voted to be as state commander, and it wasn't something I wanted.
	I didn't want to do that.
	But what I did, it led to, it was during a time that eventually led me to being in that position when, of course, the militias were most maligned during the Oklahoma City bombing.
	Now, kind of poetic justice, because when I got, supposedly, my reputation got sneered because I was Quo, the militia leader.
	And they were after them.
	Frank, eventually, this man that I was telling you about, who had found me, knew I had that background.
	He wasn't worried about it.
	And he had me on an operation.
	He was a profiler, one of the things he was to do.
	And he had me on an operation through Texas and Oklahoma, where we were searching for John Doe No.
	2 in the Oklahoma City bombing.
	So I thought that was kind of poetic justice.
	Right.
	Okay.
	So you're the guy that's actually supposed to search for the guy, but you're also supposed to be, I don't know, persona non grata or whatever.
	Well, yeah.
	And we knew the media already knew that there was going to be something because they were the ones that actually set the date for interviews.
	I was not in the militia, but that's who they targeted.
	And they had set the date.
	They tried to say, hey, we'd like to come and see you guys.
	We hear all about the noise.
	We'd like to film when you're training.
	So the state commander says, well, we're training on this date, this date, this date, this date.
	And Nightline says, well, we can't come then.
	And so he shot another date.
	We can't come then.
	And he got kind of tired of it.
	He says, look, I'm tired of this.
	Just give me the date you want to come.
	I'll see if I can make it happen.
	So they shot a date at him, literally.
	And it was exactly the day of Oklahoma City bombing.
	And it was that militia they had targeted to blame for the whole thing.
	They tried to connect Timothy McVeigh to.
	Right.
	So the whole thing was a setup anyway.
	It was all a setup.
	Yeah.
	The interesting thing was is that our officers were actually there filming them film the militia of Michigan.
	So we had we were filming the filmers of the network television and that's Where we got into sideways with them.
	They didn't like that, of course.
	And we didn't have a forum to release a video of, hey, here's what really happened.
	Okay.
	But they know we have that tape.
	So that's kind of one of the things.
	All right.
	Let me ask you about Planet X and all those kinds of things.
	Do you have an opinion about that?
	Hey, you know, just recently they have identified and admitted to have identified mathematically, you know, they downgraded Pluto to kind of a micro planet, so like we've had eight.
	So we have wonderfully been bumped back up to nine because they have mathematically found another planet in our system.
	Now they're saying this one takes 20,000 years to orbit, the Sun wants.
	So Is this the one called GNA or CEDNA or what?
	Yeah, this is the one.
	Well, they're actually called Planet Nine.
	Oh, all right.
	Well, you know, because that is interesting, you know, because I actually, my intel is that they've found two bodies on the outer part of the solar system recently, that scientists are reporting this, actual scientists.
	And I'm in touch with Andy Lloyd, who is somebody I interviewed about...
	Dark Star quite a while ago.
	And I'm trying to get him on the show to talk more about this, but had you heard there were two?
	Yes, in fact, I heard that there was even more than that.
	Well, I'm sure there are.
	If you have a small cluster of objects that are rotating around, you know, our sun, but they come as kind of a group, if they're out where...
	You're doing mathematics and you're figuring out there's something perturbing the planets of our solar system mathematically.
	But that isn't really identifying whether it's a body of, you know, more than one or if it's just one planet.
	So they're just calling it Planet X at this point.
	And, you know, there has been now identified from a network of telescopes from three countries Where each country had 61 of these radio telescopes connected to another location on the planet, which virtually turned our entire globe into a receiver.
	They have identified a planet, but they don't know if it's actually a planet.
	Well, I'm a firm believer in the fact that we have ancient records That are stating that, you know, hey, there's something here.
	There's something that comes back and it keeps haunting us.
	I really believe that's the case.
	Okay, so kind of a Nibiru-type planet, it sounds like.
	So, and you're, are you familiar with the Sitchin, you know, the Sumerian tablets information, really?
	Yeah, the ones that I like to prefer to go to are Colburn.
	You've heard the Colburn Bible.
	Yes.
	But that's actually been translated from Khmerik, which is really got, it goes back to Heltic, uh, Almost Paleo-Hebrew kind of writing.
	Very, very ancient writings.
	They're all connected.
	Where it talks about a prophet was telling us we're going to have this bad dude come back.
	And they called it, you know, other names.
	And they had, it wasn't called Nibiru.
	But it was going to return and this prophet was complaining in his writings.
	People were making fun of him, calling him crazy.
	Now, he didn't say they were coming during his days.
	He didn't say that.
	In fact, he said it wasn't coming, but it was going to come back.
	So I thought that was interesting.
	There's quite a bit of other writings that aren't related to that topic in those writings, but they're kind of, you know, a lot of the Sitchin kind of people, they don't read that Okay,
	now if you were to speculate in general, Because to get back to sort of the initial thing we were talking about, how you're being sort of possibly attacked, really.
	And let me just say here that I'd like you to give your website.
	I actually have an ad for your website on the front page so people can go there.
	But I want people to...
	Be able to donate to help your medical bills, because I know that you've been having a lot of difficulty, and you've been out there serving the community as a voice.
	Can you even say how long?
	I mean, you know, on radio?
	I've been, since the early 90s, I've been doing this.
	Actually, I started training before that, and I left the corporate world when I found out that The American Cancer Society, who I was a corporate liaison to a corporation, you know now, Sprint, to the American Cancer Society when I actually had a vice president tell me, there are no plans to cure cancer.
	And I had a family that died.
	I had many people in my family die of cancer.
	Sure.
	And that's what concerned me so much about me.
	I thought, how could I have missed this?
	I've tried to prevent that from happening to me, and here I am having this problem, and I thought it was cancer.
	It's not.
	Anyway, I left that to go to school.
	You don't want to do what I do to get rich because I help lots of people.
	In fact, I ran into somebody in the public that found out what I did and they said, I can't afford it.
	They said, look, if you need help, I'll tell you what.
	I'll help you out and you pay me monthly on what you can afford.
	In other words, This has been something that's probably cost me.
	I'm not that good.
	I'm not saying I'm not a good businessman, but I'm saying there are people that needed help.
	I just had to help.
	Sure.
	And so I've given a lot.
	I've given a lot, yes, over the years.
	Two and a half decades.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	And I can vouch for that.
	So just wanted to say, for people that are interested in helping you out, they can go to thewatermanfiles.com.
	Is that the right URL? That's right, yes.
	Okay.
	On the right-hand side, there are some buttons in the right-hand column down a little bit, not too far down, where they can click on to donate.
	Yeah, I mean, it's very important, it seems to me, that we have these voices in the wilderness, so to speak, of which, you know, you and I, and there are many out there who are like that.
	And if we're not out here doing this, you know, who's going to speak really?
	Who's going to?
	Speak up for the people.
	Because you and I aren't doing this because Yeah, right.
	Maybe our egos just aren't big enough.
	But you know what?
	I told my listeners, by the way, this is my eight year broadcasting like this.
	I told my listeners what I told my wife.
	I have decided to very much focus, Carrie, on living like I want to be remembered.
	So I called it legacy living.
	And that's hard for me.
	I mean, because you know what?
	I can get grouchy.
	And so that kind of keeps me focused that it's not, you know, there's more important things.
	We're here to, and what I'm doing, and what I had chose to do, finally, and changed careers to do, was because I wanted to help other people.
	That's basically what it was.
	Now it is.
	You know, it's okay when everything's working fine, but when I got sick, I couldn't work.
	Then that means I can't pay my bills, which meant I had to pay for my own protocol because the insurance wasn't covering.
	Then I had all this emergency stuff pop up.
	And now they won't even pay it when I qualify.
	So I'm just sideways to the system.
	You're sideways to the system.
	Yeah, I was told by a British contact officer Who's in basically the upper, you know, in the upper reaches of whatever government in Britain, you know, that I'm on a list and, you know, that I'm like a persona non grata or whatever.
	I mean, in a sense, it was a covert threat, actually, being told that.
	Yeah?
	You can appreciate that.
	Of course.
	And yours is exposure and mine is something they hate.
	Because when they start chomping at the bit to try to make some new vaccine happen, I get pretty vocal.
	You know, I go everywhere I can to talk about it.
	They don't like that.
	But they certainly don't like me.
	In fact, they took away what I was using out of Europe in 2009 when all that happened with H1N1. Remember that?
	Yes.
	For a decade, I've been using a remedy that is a replacement for vaccines that don't work anyway.
	Out of Germany.
	Well, they stopped it that year.
	A year later, they let it come back in.
	Isn't that strange?
	So I kept using it, and then when the Ebola outbreak threat came and all that, they cut it off, and then there was a big fight, and the FDA just made a vicious ruling, by the way, with some of this kind of stuff.
	Now, here's the Now, conundrum, I've been put into, I'm hearing two things, that the FDA is going to even come down harder on our options, which they've been doing.
	And that's when we started getting doctors disappearing that are in alternative medicine.
	Now, a lot of them say, well, there are not all naturopathic doctors.
	Some are MDs, some are DOs.
	Well, not all alternative doctors are naturopaths.
	Some are MDs.
	I mean, a third of the people that were being trained in biology and medicine with me were medical doctors already.
	This was post-graduate.
	This was post-stopic training I had.
	MDs were in there.
	DOs were in there.
	Well, besides us.
	And actually, when you had the DOs and MDs together, there was more of them than there was in NaturePass in this training.
	And they won't let me have access to it, but I did find a source in the states that let me come back into using what you might have heard a little bit about, don't recall much, about what's called plenomorphic remedies.
	But this GMAF, you can't even get that stuff now.
	There's no, I mean, it's like contraband to this country, and it heals people.
	It's an answer.
	We have to, if we could, there are so many things right now that we could turn loose that if they would allow us to have integrated medicine as a primary care system, there'd be a lot of healthy people, very healthy people.
	Right.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	They want constant, sick people so they can be on that pharmaceutical dose every month.
	For sure.
	And they don't care how sick they get.
	They don't care if they have to choose between food and medicine.
	I call anything where you have to have a drug.
	It's emergency care.
	That's how we look at it.
	Sometimes you have to have emergency medicine.
	Sometimes you do, but you move away from that as quickly as possible.
	Right.
	um now uh I I want to ask you uh I have some people that are in the chat and uh I want to give them the opportunity to ask you questions if you don't mind uh you know I don't want to keep you too long here um we've been going for a little while uh and about an hour and almost an hour and a half um so I I want to you know sort of Just put that call out that if you are in the chat and you want to ask Doc some questions, this is your opportunity.
	I suggest you put your questions in all caps and that helps me spot the questions and determine that from the chat, just the idle chat, and knowing if you want to actually ask a question.
	So I'm not sure...
	I don't see any obvious questions at this exact moment.
	I'm kind of looking to see.
	But I'm just throwing that out there.
	So while I have you here, do you want to talk about kind of where your head is at right now?
	Assuming you're going to continue to do your own show and what you will be talking about, the subjects you'll be covering today.
	in the near future it's really interesting the timing of my illness because I was focusing on moving and actually crossing the state line and staying in the edge of the Ozarks into a venue that I knew was extremely safe for alternative practitioners so I could actually set up a clinic and I got sick right so that that's that's where I'm headed that's what I'm It
	took us a while.
	You know, I had a clinic and taught like three-quarters time in Michigan.
	The economy crashed up there when, of course, the car industry crashed and two-thirds of my people left.
	But I had a huge out-of-state client base and I continued to do long-distance care, which is what I had been continuing to do while We looked for a venue that let us do what we needed to do.
	Now, right now, as we speak, the freest state for healthcare practitioners is New Mexico.
	Interesting.
	During the time we were actually checking things out, during that time, which has been a while now, they passed a bill saying you cannot sue an alternative practitioner just because they're alternative.
	They've got a lot of protections.
	Probably the second Oklahoma is next, and that's probably where we're going.
	And we're real anxious to get started in getting back into clinic work.
	I love clinic work, and it's going to offer more local people, but I've now got a very large client base in coast to coast.
	I've, by the way, worked on a lot of people from the 911 issue, and I actually had the I was an Oklahoma City victim, and that victim that I took care of happened to be closest to the most damaged and still lived through it.
	So I've had those people and taken care of them.
	It's been very interesting to see, you know, the politics behind that.
	All of them false flags, of course.
	Right.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Well, I mean, that's also something that people can...
	I mean, you know, I don't know what the financial wherewithal is of my audience base, obviously.
	But I can say that...
	You know, supporting you to help finance you to set up a clinic.
	I mean, that seems like if anyone is interested in doing philanthropic work.
	Well, that would be great.
	I've always wanted to have a clinic where I could bring in doctors and internments so that I could teach them.
	When I was teaching pre-med nursing anatomy, I was introducing that alternative.
	And I was hired to teach the honors program in nursing there at the college that I was at.
	I was the only one.
	And when I started teaching the honors program, I figured I had him in a kind of a pinch there, because nobody else qualified to do it.
	So I wrote my paper about the broken existing medical model.
	By and large actually the only thing that really came down to that was important was the Dean of my the science which was over my arena Endorsed it said it was great and I got the green flag and I started teaching alternative medicine to my students with everything else and I got to where When my classes came up I taught several semesters there and When my class would come
	up, they would do it online.
	And it started at midnight, the day the class openings were.
	Within two hours, between midnight and two in the morning, my classes would fill up and I'd have a line outside asking if I would sign to let them come in.
	I'd say, you'd have to be on the floor.
	There's nowhere to sit even.
	There's not even a place for you.
	They said, we don't care.
	That's incredible.
	Yeah.
	Well, I'm...
	I mean, you'd be an amazing teacher, there's no doubt.
	I mean, you are a teacher in radio anyway, so...
	Well, it's not me.
	It's the topic.
	People want this, and they know you're telling the truth, and they know they can tell they're being...
	When they finally get the veil pulled down and see if they go, holy cow!
	And that just rippled, you know, and people knew they could get answers.
	They knew at least they were getting exposed whether they were going to be getting an allopathic you know I had I had students that could in fact the first day that I saw after bringing a book one of my students was reading the Iliad and Odyssey in a lecture I don't care if he stands on his head as long as he doesn't disturb anybody else I don't care what he does because if they don't know what they're doing they're going to flunk out they're not going to pass well he had Read the entire
	anatomy book in one night, and he could answer every question, never missed one.
	But these were the kind of students.
	He was going to be a brain surgeon.
	These were the kinds of students that I at least got to expose a whole different way of looking at health and us and the healing.
	Drugs don't heal anybody.
	And so when we got to these alternatives and began teaching, they got hungry.
	And that's what they were lining up for.
	Yeah, that's wonderful.
	That's just amazing.
	Okay, someone wants to know what you think about MMS. Jim Humble's MMS, I guess.
	MMS has a potential of being very good.
	There are some things that kind of cause it to be Counterproductive.
	Now, a lot of people might say, oh my goodness, it's an alternative.
	It really works.
	And it's because of it being inorganic, it kind of causes a little bit of a problem.
	But, hey, it's way better.
	Way better than all the other options out there that you might, you know, see over the counter or from your doctor.
	Unless you're into an alternative doctor.
	And, you know, it's generally doing kind of its thing and kind of In kind of street language, it helps a lot of things.
	And it helps most any issue get better.
	But it doesn't mean it's the silver bullet or everything.
	But, you know, hey, I have nothing against it.
	I think it's okay and does well.
	And it's those kind of people, when they start getting that kind of stuff, when they start having good things, A lot of times they start having trouble and some of the people don't understand this.
	They go, wow, that's terrible.
	Look what he's done.
	Well, when you have that kind of power and you have that kind of thing happening and you start taking flack, then you know you're over the target.
	You're doing the right thing.
	And if you haven't ever been in trouble, more than likely you're not causing enough problems.
	Doing the right thing can get you in trouble.
	Almost every doctor that I know that ever became well-known Yeah, I have to agree.
	When you're over the target, you get the flack, and I can testify to that.
	And I know several others that can do the same, as well as yourself.
	I had a dream.
	Let me tell you what my dream is, if I could.
	My dream is you don't have to be a practitioner to help raise the awareness of this.
	I've always dreamed of having what I call a patient advocate training or people that can become patient advocates.
	Now, what is that?
	Where do you go to find out where all the options are for seriously ill people that are maybe facing death?
	You know, stage four cancers, those kind of things.
	What are their options?
	And where are these options?
	And what kind of options are they offering?
	You know, nobody really knows.
	You've got to go here, you've got to go there.
	And most families that are most motivated to go and look for that are not mentally, they're panicking and they're not thinking correctly and they need help.
	Patient advocates could take their hand that knows those options, knows what kind of clinics there are that are available, and lets them Find out about them to let them make decisions for their loved ones and themselves.
	And that doesn't mean you have to go to eight years of school to be a doctor or any kind of practitioner.
	It's called the Patient Advocate Program.
	And I'd love to form one for the alternative industry.
	Well, sounds like something you could do on the internet with a little bit of help.
	I'd love to.
	Yeah, it sounds like a wonderful thing.
	Someone is asking about...
	It looks like a question, I think.
	Growing food during the dusting.
	I guess they mean chemtrails, I'm assuming.
	Oh.
	It depends on where you're at, but it's everywhere, right?
	I've been recommending people if they have the capacity to do hoop growing.
	And I know people...
	From all over this country, like I say, taking care of people, got to know people.
	And some of them have huge, you know, that used to be greenhouses that they use now to garden and grow.
	I think that's perfect.
	I think it's absolutely perfect.
	It keeps that, because that stuff is creating an acid environment, and that's not good.
	It's not working.
	Plates killing everything.
	There are some plants that Seem to be indestructible.
	And actually, they're like the plants that can literally, you know, radiation up, you know, and help you in those kind of regards.
	But it's a problem.
	You know, it's a big problem getting food that's, you know, not dusted, as he said.
	Absolutely.
	Someone else here wants to know if you believe medical cannabis will be legalized in all 50 states anytime soon.
	Well, let me tell you what's going on.
	Chip Tatum owns the All News Network where I broadcast.
	The VA just approved medical cannabis for use in the VA. Now, this is the first step to making it all for 50 states.
	Now, Chip has a farm in Columbia, and he's in the process.
	In fact, he's already talked to the VA, talked to Columbia, got his paperwork taken care of, and is the only one that I know of is getting ready to actually provide medical-grade cannabis.
	Now, there's a difference between that and Billy Bob growing it down in the Ozarks, okay, and providing that for people to get well, because the potency is exactly the same.
	You can expect the same result and the same action every time at a certain dosage.
	And that's not being provided right now by any of the states.
	Even in Colorado, that's not the case.
	And this is going to be in a liquid form and it's going to be distributed to the VA folks.
	And I think you're going to see some miraculous applications of that.
	There's going to be some pretty big talk come from that.
	So if we can make a Splash before everything collapses with that kind of Care, I think it's going to change things.
	There's been some predictions.
	I know even Cliff Heye's web bots predicting that all things Alternative including alternative health are going to turn big starting this year.
	I don't know if that's the case, but I'd love to see it happen Yeah, absolutely It's very interesting.
	Have you taken out any implants, someone is asking?
	Oh, no, I have never.
	I would love to find some people.
	If I can't get to them, I know people that can.
	You know, that's a very interesting question.
	You know, because I've always pondered, I've run into so many things that if actually I had a chance, would I actually tackle one of these creatures?
	Would I jump on the craft if I had a chance to try and create some physical evidence?
	But I don't need it to be convinced, but I think other people do.
	But no, I've never taken anything out of anybody like that.
	Are you qualified to?
	I don't know who is qualified.
	I mean, am I a surgeon?
	No, I'm not a surgeon.
	But that's, you know, if it's just below the surface, that's not hard to do.
	I see.
	A good prepper could even do it.
	All right.
	So you haven't done it, but you'd be willing to.
	Is that what you're saying?
	Oh, I've got, you know, my friend's not too far from here, even though he's out of state.
	He just pulled out his prepper bag and it was all medical supplies.
	And I go, man, you've got an operating room here.
	Yeah, preppers can do it.
	It's not hard.
	They don't have to go to the doctor.
	Probably finding them is hard.
	Now, if it's up their nostrils, way up in the nasal cavity, that's a whole other thing.
	But if it's under the surface, in the arm, in that kind of situation, that wouldn't be hard at all.
	Okay.
	Okay, so at the moment I think that's it as far as the questions I see here.
	I think I've gotten to all of them.
	At any rate, I guess I've kept you for long enough.
	Is there anything you want to say about the coming year, advice to people in general?
	Well, I think this is going to be a very, very, I think we're at a fork in the road, Carrie.
	I think it could go to the nastiest we've ever seen, but it's also that fork in the road which might be that opportunity that we've been looking for.
	Now that does not mean it's going to be easy.
	It just means that we might have this glaring opportunity to change things.
	And I think if you see Hillary Clinton going down, We might as well have a party because I think we've taken the right path.
	That's where I go with that.
	Okay, let me see if...
	If there's anything, I hope this is working.
	Anyway, so, well, thank you everyone for listening.
	Thank you, Doc, for coming on the show.
	I have a question in terms of saying the medical disclaimer that I need to say to protect patients.
	My channel.
	So we are not licensed to give out medical information.
	I guess we can give it information, but we're not recommending certain remedies.
	You want me to give it to you?
	Yeah, why don't you say it?
	We're not here to diagnose, treat, or otherwise recommend medical problems or answers to medical problems.
	If you have a medical question, go to your licensed healthcare practitioner.
	Okay.
	And so this is just simply I'm interviewing Doc Waterman.
	He has credentials in certain areas and certainly has the ability to discuss these various things.
	So with that said, again, your website is thewatermanfiles.com.
	The Waterman Files.
	Oh, and simply yourhealth.com is our website.
	It's my health website.
	Okay, and you sell some products on there, right?
	We have a virtual dispensary.
	There's 20,000 things there that I'm linked up to.
	It's not my stuff.
	It's a virtual dispensary offered through Emerson to alternative practitioners.
	Actually, doctors too, but doctors don't do that.
	But you can go on there.
	You can set up yourself an account, or if you want to call, we can get you Access to all kinds of things, usually that only practitioners can get you.
	So, there are alternatives.
	Okay, now do you have an email address for people that might want to get in touch with you?
	You bet.
	It's a new one.
	This is new because it's encrypted.
	I use this now to deal with people.
	It's Ground Crew, believe it or not.
	Remember, George came up with that.
	That's right, George Green.
	Groundcrew at unseen.is.
	Okay, and we'll be putting that on our webpage for the interview as well.
	Alright, well, Doc, you know, I wish you the best of everything and I hope that you continue to get better and keep fighting the good fight out there and thank you so much for your service to humanity all these years and I hope to have you back on the show in the near future.
	Carrie, it's been a pleasure.
	It's been too long.
	We'll have to do it again real soon.
	Okay, great.
	And thanks everyone for listening.
	I'm going to be back tomorrow night with Richard Bartlett and Melissa Joy, and they're going to be talking about Matrix Energetics, which is a wonderful sort of form of healing, but it really actually allows you to change your world around you and In some pretty miraculous ways.
	So feel free to tune in with that and go to projectcamelotportal.com for the link to watch that show live tomorrow night.
	And then Friday I've got Ken Johnston, Dr.
	Ken Johnston from the ex-NASA person who was head of the data and photo files over there and has information on...
	That's juicy stuff.
	he's actually been making the rounds, but he's got a lot of material that he's gathered to support his story, and he's a fascinating man, so that should be a very, very interesting show.
	He's all about things that they spotted on the moon, and we're going to be drilling down into some of that, so I think that's that's worthwhile.
	That'll be Friday at 1 o'clock Pacific time.
	So anyway, it's kind of a good lineup this week, and you're the frontrunner.
	Well, wonderful.
	I didn't even cover the fact that I worked on the project Stardust.
	Oh, right.
	Well, you know, we should have you back and write that down.
	Let's talk about that.
	Because, you know, we covered it a long time ago when we were having you on my show and going back and forth.
	But it's been a long time, and I'd love to revisit all of that.
	It might actually...
	Be something that's going to become a very big topic in the near future.
	So, interesting.
	Well, I'll have to do it.
	All right.
	So, let's do that.
	Okay.
	Thank you, everyone.
	Take care of yourself, Carrie.
	And if you need anything, anybody needs any kind of advice, help, or anything, just contact me.
	We'll get you pointed in the right direction.
	Absolutely.
	No problem.
	Okay?
	Thank you.
	Bye-bye, Carrie.
	Thanks so much for having me.
	No problem.
	Thanks, everyone.
	Good night.

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