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Dec. 18, 2015 - Project Camelot
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KERRY INTERVIEWS HUGH NEWMAN AND JIM VIERA RE GIANTS IN AMERICA
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Okay, we are live.
This is Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot and I am hopeful that the people out there can hear us and we're just starting right now.
So welcome and we've got Hugh Newman and Jim Vieira and this is going to be going live over my Camelot YouTube channel and hopefully Once we've aired this on YouTube, it will then also be available after that as well for those that weren't able to make the actual live event.
Meanwhile, we're going to be talking about Giants in America, and let me bring this up.
And hi, everyone.
So I'm going to also share...
the title here so that this gets clearly.
Okay.
And one second here.
And then we're going to introduce Hugh and Jim Vieira.
And actually, I don't know a lot about Jim Vieira.
I did read a bit about him, but I'm going to ask him to really introduce himself more.
Hugh Newman is someone I've known for quite some time now, and he is the originator of the Megalithomania conferences that I think a lot of people will be familiar with, and he's been investigating, wow, ley lines and Ancient sites around the world for many years.
He's written actually several books and we also did a tour of Egypt together with a group that I took over there.
I think that was in 2012 if I remember correctly and even before that I stumbled on Hugh in Egypt.
I think we did our first interview there.
At the base of the Great Pyramid, which is a pretty amazing place to connect.
So that's what I have to say.
Now, Hugh, do you want to give yourself a better introduction than that?
And then we'll go to Jim and ask him to do the same.
Sure thing, yeah.
I'm Hugh Newman.
I've just written this book with Jim Vieira called Giants on Record, America's Hidden History, Sequence of the Mounds and the Smithsonian Files.
It came out a couple of months ago, about a month and a half ago.
I'm a megalithomaniac.
I've been researching around the world for many years, looking at ancient sites, the connections between sites, ley lines, earth energies, things like this.
More recently, the last few years, Jim and I have put our heads together and as we were researching ancient sites in New England, in fact, where Jim's from, we found references to giants.
Jim uncovered a whole load of stuff there.
I was looking at different parts of America based on the work of Ross Hamilton and I've always been fascinated with the megaliths and the fact that they're connected with the giants really opened my eyes.
It really is a missing piece of American and worldwide history That we were compelled to research and put together.
And it all connects with everything else we've been doing because these giants were like the royal elite of North America and they knew all the geomancy, the esoteric teachings, the wisdom traditions that many people revere today.
So there's a lot more to it than just giant skeletons based on all the work we've done.
Okay, fabulous.
Can you talk, just before we go to Jim, just very briefly in terms of your background, cover the sort of continents that you've gone to in brief.
You really have quite a background at this point.
Yeah, I do as much traveling as possible while I can.
I go to Peru and Bolivia every year with Brian Forrester.
We run tours there now to help fund our research and get us over there basically so we can keep exploring, keep researching.
Jim's actually coming with us this time next year, November 2016, because he's a professional stonemason, so we want to get his take on what we're looking at.
I've also, obviously I've been in Malta, I saw you there Kerry, and all over the world I mean, North America is fascinating me more and more because for so long I thought nothing was there.
It was just a few mounds and that was it.
But the more I look into that place, the more you realize it's just as incredible, if not more so, than anywhere else on the planet.
I've been to the South Pacific, Australia, South Africa, Egypt, Mexico, through Central America, Costa Rica, places like this, looking at the megalithic sites, really.
But the last few years, I've been looking out for giant reports related to these sites, and you do tend to find them in most places you visit.
So, yeah, I do get around.
I've written a book called Earth Grids, The Secret Patterns of Gaius Sacred Sites, a small book published by Wooden Books, which covers all my kind of earlier research into the connections between these sites all around the planet.
Okay, great.
And now, Jim Vieira, it's lovely to have you here and I hope that this will be an enjoyable experience for you.
I want to hear about your background.
I know that you had a very direct connection to the North American giants, skeletons and all of that.
Somehow you and I'd be curious to also find out how you and Hugh connected.
So go ahead and please tell us about yourself.
Yes, I'm a stonemason by trade.
I grew up in Boston.
I live in Western Massachusetts.
I studied economics at the University of Massachusetts along with my brother.
We co-own a company out here and I've been doing historical detective work for about 20-25 years.
Studying Native American stonework throughout the United States, recently the last 10 or 15 years really getting into the mound builder cultures, the ancient pyramids and geometric forms built by Native American civilizations like the Adena, Hopewell, and Mississippian cultures.
I tend to, or I'm open to different angles to try to figure out and explore a mystery.
I've studied a lot of Edgar Cayce's work, The Sleeping Prophet, I look into the Rosicrucians and Freemasons and mystics and what they have to say about ancient civilizations.
And I just started to compile as actually a side effect of reading through town and county histories looking for accounts of ancient stonework that existed before Columnists showed up.
And I found many accounts that mentioned strange stoneworks in the New England area, which was very compelling.
But then I started to encounter extremely large skeletons being noted by Historian 7, 8 feet tall, often mentioning this strange anatomic anomaly of double rows of teeth.
You know, similar accounts, jaw bones over the face.
And then I went to a conference in 2008, I think, in Glastonbury, Connecticut, where I ran into Hugh.
And we started interacting.
And our buddy, Ross Hamilton, he is the godfather of giantology.
He's worked with Native Americans on this subject.
He has written books about the Star Mounds and the Serpent Mound.
It has been kind of a mentor guiding us through this strange and controversial subject that I knew nothing about up until like 10 years ago, quite frankly.
So we thought it'd be good to get together and compile evidence for the idea of giants existing in the past.
This book has taken us about three or four years.
About nine months ago, when we thought we were done, we put in another eight or nine months, quite frankly.
I think it shows.
It's got some really good reviews.
We're not hammering anybody over the head.
We're just, like, weaving it to the reader to make up their mind and to see the connections in the language used and the credibility of many people who reported outrageous things, quite frankly.
And, uh, yeah, I think it's a very interesting project.
Great.
It's so interesting that you ended up kind of getting involved in all of this and I wonder what was the stimulating event that happened to bring you in?
Why were you interested?
Was it stonemasonry that connected you or something specific?
Yeah, yeah, that's a good question.
It was actually just reading through the town history of Darefield, 1895, page 78.
George Sheldon, noted historian, founder of the Pecumtuck Valley Museum in Darefield, a former Massachusetts state senator, noted an eight-foot skeleton with double rows of teeth and a head as big as a peck basket was exhumed at a burial site in Darefield.
Analyzed by Steven West Williams, a well-known physician from a family of physicians who taught anatomy at Berkshire College.
So I was like, what the hell is this?
I brought it to my brother.
I knew who Sheldon was.
I knew he was very, very well respected.
And then I just started to find similar accounts all throughout New England of seven-foot and tall skeletons noted to have double rows of teeth.
And yeah, that was the impetus to get me going.
It was so odd because I am sure there's mismeasurements and exaggerations and things like that, but it's not like skeletons get up and jump around.
If they're measured and specific measurements are often given over and over again, including in Smithsonian ethnology reports, it's a really compelling mystery.
Hugh and I both agree.
Okay.
Thank you for that.
I want to ask you, Hugh, are you familiar with actually the giants that are supposedly waking up and being awoken?
I don't know if you heard my interview with a guy named, he calls himself the Ruiner, but his name is Shane, and he talks about this.
They are giants in these mounds, and some of them, I guess, are starting to awaken and The story goes that the Illuminati are aware of this, and sometimes they help them through the process of awakening.
Have you heard any of that story?
Unfortunately, no.
I haven't heard about that, Kerry.
Sorry, I missed that one.
I've been traveling literally nonstop for the last month, so I'm a bit behind on what's going on.
But that sounds quite interesting.
Can you fill us in a little bit briefly?
Sure you know this is the kind of thing of course that Camelot gets involved in and so I have to say that it's just simply a story that we investigated I guess you might say and that's really all there is to it.
I don't know much more about it than that.
I can say that The notion of giants is one that's written about in the Bible, as you know, and it's also other places.
And so Camelot's always been interested.
It depends what you mean by giant also, because there's the issue of what we call the Anunnaki, that are the elongated skulls.
And Hugh, you did a great presentation in Malta all about that.
Yes.
Some investigations you've done about that.
I do want to put this picture on the screen here, so bear with me one minute.
This should hopefully be showing up now.
This is from a museum called the Royal College of Surgeons in London, England.
It's really fascinating because this is a totally intact giant skeleton, obviously.
It's standing next to a human.
You can't get much more graphic than that.
And it was in plain view in this rather obscure museum, I have to say, in London, where I guess if you're not a surgeon, you don't necessarily go.
We stumbled on it because my British boyfriend and I do a lot of sort of museum hunting, I guess you might call it, We love ancient sites, as you do, Hugh.
I kind of got the bug, actually, in a sense, from you and Michael Tellinger.
Okay, cool.
I have to say, you guys are guilty of really awakening a fascination with me in sites other than Egypt, because I'd always been very into Egypt, and also vortexes, because I'm sensitive and I sense vortexes and things.
I really got the bug when I went to Adam's calendar and did a documentary with Michael Tellinger and read his books and then found about...
I met you there, I guess it was, Hugh, I think?
Yes.
For the second time.
I'm not sure, first or second time.
I ended up going to megalithomania and I did a speaking event in Glastonbury alongside that event and then actually attended the event and It was absolutely fascinating.
So once you kind of get this bug, it's hard to get rid of it.
It kind of makes you want to travel everywhere and go to every ancient site imaginable.
But I was fascinated when I stumbled on the skeleton and we took pictures of it.
They tried to say it was caused by some kind of illness that they called giantism, which obviously is a misdirect.
I just wanted to share that with people.
To get back to the story of the giants waking up, there is a guy that I interviewed.
There's an interview that you can listen to and really it's his story.
But there have been other people that have been starting to report this as well.
There is some, I think, writings and possibly even ancient writings We're prophesying that these giants would wake up at a certain time.
It might be part of the Bible even, in which it talks about that they're going to awaken and share what they know.
Now, obviously, nobody's come forward in a public way along these lines, but I've heard from at least this one contact, and actually one other person, Back-channel that they do exist in.
They are, in some cases, awakening for what it's worth.
Now, these are not skeletons, obviously.
They're intact beings that are buried under the mounds.
Well, that is very interesting.
It's also very strange.
So I'd love to meet one, if you can set up a meeting.
Set up a meeting, please.
We'll have the cameras rolling, if that's okay.
And that would be most interesting.
What sort of height are these ones supposed to be?
Any idea?
Well, I think that they really are giants.
I don't know, I don't remember what he said about the actual height, so I have to say that, you know, I have to go back and find out.
I think they're, you know, over seven feet tall.
They may be over nine feet tall.
I think they're quite large.
I don't think they're just what we would think of as, what I think of as Anunnaki, which would be the sort of even seven foot tall.
Yeah, because the ones we deal with in our research is anything, basically, just so people are aware, anything over seven feet tall we kind of classify as a giant because there's so many around that height, but it's almost like that was the lower level of the height of the skeletons that were being reported.
From the mid-1800s onwards.
Some of them, we get ones that are 10 feet, 9 feet, quite a lot of those.
There's a few that are 14 feet, some that are 12 feet, and we have one which is 18 feet tall, which is based on an estimation of some bones.
So that's outrageous.
It's like three times taller than me.
Which would be quite scary in some ways.
But even if we're looking at a general kind of populace of these sort of royal class mound builders being around eight or nine feet tall, that is well out of proportion of normal human beings.
And we know because of the research that was done by a lot of very well-respected authorities, doctors, surgeons, things like this, that they didn't have acromegaly.
They did not have gigantism or giantism.
They were healthy and Very robust.
Their whole body was kind of equally large.
They weren't just tall like you get with NBA basketball players and things like this.
And so that was one of the traits, was like this incredible sort of powerful physique, which is why they were often warriors and they were called chieftains and things like this.
And they were remarked constantly because people were witnessing them in the 1900s.
Even Thomas Jefferson met one of the Osage Indians in the White House, I believe, or certainly in that area, and commented on this is the most handsome, well-proportioned, almost royal-looking person you'd ever seen.
And so there's a real deep history of these giants in North America.
It's not just a few accounts from some mounds.
We're talking reports and stories and DNA and archaeological data which goes back many thousands of years.
But it leads right up to the early 1900s where some of them were still in existence.
So we're looking at a very long time frame here.
There could even be a secret lineage somewhere.
That could be part of what your friend was talking about.
I don't know.
They've kept it secret.
They've kept hidden.
I'm not sure, but that wouldn't surprise me.
We are growing as a race.
We're getting taller.
This is one of the things.
This whole idea about Carbon dioxide emissions.
Actually, more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere stimulates growth in different ways.
We go into detail of that kind of thing in the book, but there's a lot of reasons why we might be getting taller.
We might become giants again.
Who knows?
There's a lot of elements, a lot of aspects to this that we explore, that we can talk about for sure.
I've asked you if you have any photos from your travels.
I know it was kind of late notice, so if you don't, you don't, and that's cool.
Feel free to share anything you have.
While you look into that, let's see what Jim has to say.
Jim, can you give us some of the discoveries that you've come across?
I don't know whether In your book, I only started to read parts of it.
Do you have a chronological list?
In other words, how many finds have there been over the years in America?
Roughly, together with Ross Hamilton, Hugh, myself, and Mikey Ewers, a researcher on the West Coast, we've amassed about a thousand accounts Of 7 foot and taller skeletons being reported, predominantly from burial mounds and ancient burial sites in America.
That includes 17 over 7 foot skeletons in Smithsonian ethnology reports, 7'3", 7'6", 7'8", up to 8 foot, 36 inch circumference skull from Elton, Illinois, 1873 Smithsonian report.
That is utterly outrageous, 36 inches.
You know, the head of the Carnegie W.J. Holland reported an eight and nine foot skeleton.
Thomas Wilson, head of prehistoric anthropology in Miamisburg, 1897, commented on and examined an eight foot, one and a half in skeleton that he authenticated along with some of the leading scientists of the day.
1940s, 1950s, two digs in the 50s by university-training anthropologist Webb Snow from Kentucky, Dragoo from the Carnegie, reported seven-foot-two and seven-foot skeletons at Adina Mounds.
You know, for us, this is a matter of just trying to authenticate these strange reports and put it into a context.
We, frankly, I'm sure there's some Illuminati freak with a couple 10-foot skeletons in his basement, but honestly, we try to take an objective approach.
We always get anthropologists and archaeologists involved, and I'm friends with many professionals, and we may not always agree, but we try to figure it out and figure out if this is a real phenomenon or not.
And there are many angles that this mystery comes from.
There are the accounts of virtually every early explorer you can name encountered enormous native peoples from Patagonia up to Virginia.
John Smith, Magellan, DeSoto, Coronado, Vespucci, on and on and on.
And they always talked about massive tribal leaders like Tuscaloosa, you know, seven and a half, eight foot tall, nine foot tall sometimes.
And these are live people.
These aren't skeletons, which might be a trickier matter to talk about.
The conventional view is the Spanish were 5'5", the natives were 5'10".
That isn't what we're talking about here.
We're talking about specific, enormous people being reported over and over again.
The Freemasons, Rosicrucians, Theosophists, Rudolf Steiner, Edgar Cayce, they all speak about giants existing independently as a historical fact and tie it back to Atlantis where giants and little people were purported to be part of the population there.
There are giant axes and tools found everywhere.
There are biblical and religious texts that talk about giants.
It just comes from every angle and we weave this story together and let the reader decide for themselves And there are Native American protection laws that really make it difficult to get to the bottom of this, which I understand.
I'm not griping about it.
I have, you know, one of the angles or one of the things that Hugh and I try to highlight is the magnificence of Native American cultures in the United States, just geometric forms, earthen pyramids, you know, kivas out in the southwest, just a really sophisticated...
Level of civilization that existed in ancient America and quite frankly we showed up Colonists, Europeans, in like 400 years we've poisoned the waters and paved over this freaking beautiful land and many people are annoyed with that and just, you know, are disgusted with our dehumanizing,
worthless consumer culture and want to look back at indigenous traditions and figure out what is going on, why are we here, what is this world all about, what is the metaphysical makeup of humans and why are we screwing up so bad.
So, that's my rant.
Okay, well, excellent information, I must say, and I'm going to switch over here to Hugh.
I do want to say...
That's a bad move!
I want to say also that when I was in Egypt, I went to a museum.
It was a very small museum in, I think it was Aswan area, and there were some excellent Actual photographs of giant skeletons there, like the original ones, not the ones you see on the internet, for example.
And, you know, so that's really fascinating because, you know, people don't even know about that.
So it's really interesting how they're sort of hidden in plain sight and they kind of, people just blow by them.
So, Hugh, I'm sharing...
Visually, with people, what you're putting on the screen, do you want to tell us about these photos?
Sure.
Yeah, I've just brought up my PowerPoint, actually, and it's got all my photos, very well organized.
So you mentioned Egypt.
This is one account here.
This is from 1881, and it talks about the Temple of Isis, actually, or Philae, and they say that a row of tombs in which some prehistoric race of giants had been buried were uncovered.
Several were 7 feet, 8 inches tall, and the largest was 11 feet, 1 inch.
And this is like a matter-of-fact account from 1881.
And so this is just one example of you.
This backs up what you're saying about what you saw in Egypt.
We also have these very strange fingers from Gregor Spori.
These are like mummified remains from about 100 miles north of Cairo.
And he managed to get access to these from this aging grave robber and witnessed, scanned these, they were x-rayed, proved to be human fingers.
And if they were correctly sized and measured, then either this guy had extremely big hands or he was 16 feet tall.
So we do find examples in Egypt.
I mean, this is our next project Jim and I are doing is to actually look around the world at At all the different sites, because Jim and I, mainly Jim has collected like 500 accounts worldwide, so we're going to keep moving forward with that, but all over Europe you find it, all over the Middle East, all around the world, it's just, it gets silly the more you look actually.
It gets overwhelming really.
I mean, there's so many relations to the megalithic sites that this is what compels me the most I think.
Wow.
Just incredible.
I have to say that it's interesting that people aren't more aware of this.
I also have had a couple dreams about giants so that also makes me fascinated.
I can say that what's happening here is there are possibly more than one different race of giants and And I don't know whether you guys have been able to kind of start to go down that road at all.
I don't even know if there's a way to tell a different race of giants from one race of giants, you know what I mean?
And I think that there have also been giants that are something like 24 feet tall, something crazy like that.
I'm wondering, I mean, wow, the North Americans, It's really crowded in there.
It's a little bit.
This is not all of them either.
This is just some of them.
That's just mind-boggling.
Yeah.
But my question is about race, racial, because I'm also curious about giant skeletons that have Anunnaki, the elongated heads on giant skeletons.
Have you found any of that?
Yes.
Well, they've been reported very, very much.
So this is a place called Chickasawba Mounds.
I just visited here a couple of weeks ago.
This is in northeast Arkansas.
And this is an area that we write about in the book.
We do a whole page about it.
And the skulls that were found here with the giants were elongated.
And so we do know that there's several sites that I visited in Arkansas, actually, and in Oklahoma and also going into Moundville, Alabama.
And there are many accounts there of cranial deformation, elongated skulls, unusual anatomic features that we do two chapters on anatomic anomalies.
one just about all the different variations, horned skulls, elongated skulls, incredibly large skulls, strange teeth.
We do one of double rows of teeth, a whole chapter on that.
This is one of the traits we keep coming across as we move around different parts of America.
This just shows you what a double row of teeth actually look like, even though this is one of the rights of reconstruction that we did for the search for the Lost Giants TV show.
But elongated skulls are part of the giant culture.
There have been many accounts.
Jim will tell you about Sonora as well.
These ones are just different Chinook skulls and flathead skulls.
One on the bottom left there is from Pumapunku, so you can see the comparisons here.
There are examples, as I said, in Sonora, Mexico, this area here.
Giants...
This is just over the border, really.
Giants were found here back in the 1930s, mainly, by Paxson Hayes and other people.
But in 2012, in the same area, this here, this elongated skull, a whole bunch of them were found.
So we know there are connections, obviously, in different parts of the world as well.
Wow.
Okay.
Fascinating.
I mean, just continue, you know, whatever...
Whatever you have and you want to tell us about, I mean, obviously we don't want to make you do your whole presentation, but I have to say, you know, if there are some other things that you think might be of great interest to our viewers, you know, we've got an audience.
Actually, it's growing by the minute.
So please do go on.
Go on, Jim.
You'll go.
Yeah, I would say there are legitimate questions to be asked here.
Why are people elongating their skulls all around the planet?
It's such an extreme activity, and these cultures were supposed to have no connection.
And, you know, would you ever, like, cradleboard your kid?
You know, like, you're looking great with this elongated skull.
Like the Edina, the particularly tall...
Native tribe that exists in the Ohio River Valley.
They elongated the skulls.
The royal class did.
They are trying to emulate something.
Actually, Karen Hughes, former lead counsel for the World Bank last year, talked about that there were these beings with elongated skulls that ran The financial system and they were in existence back to the last ice age.
I know that sounds wacky, but this woman was an attorney who was the former lead counsel of the World Bank.
The thing is, if you're a trained archaeologist and anthropologist, you just can't get into this.
You and I try to take in lots of information, try to see what is reasonable and investigate it.
If these accounts are all hoaxes or misidentifications, like, what is the skeptic's worldview that This map you're looking at right here, even though hundreds of these accounts have specific measurements like 28 inch femur bones that would indicate a well over 8 foot individual or jaw bones over the face.
I'll give an example.
All around the country, you have accounts of jaw bones being fit over the face of the largest man in town, from Catalina Island to Martha's Vineyard, all around the country.
In an era of inefficient communication, often buried obscurely in voluminous texts, it just doesn't make any sense that people are making this up.
It's a good question on both sides, and we're reasonably trying to answer it.
We did it in our book.
We did it in the show we did.
We're just asking questions that seem reasonable and responsible to ask.
And if you were to land on this planet, You would look around and you would assume that the oral history, that comparative mythology, would tell you the same story that exists now in present time that science is telling us.
But no, we have an alternative story that is told to us by indigenous people and religious texts all around the planet of giant people, little people, star people, a hairy creature that runs around the woods, a lost continent.
You know, there is this different alternative History that is being told.
A comparative mythologist, once again, would tell a completely different tale than an anthropologist or archaeologist would.
And I'm not trying to claim some vast conspiracy.
I'm just saying that The roots, the underpinning, the foundation of the sciences, I think, is flawed.
I think lots of work academically has been done that's quite brilliant over the last 70, 80 years, but the underpinnings, the foundation of it, I think, are built on sand.
And we're going to quickly see with places like Gobekli Tepe, the 12,000-year-old temple site in Turkey, and other finds that are coming forward, new Denisovins and Heidelbergensis and these new potential Paradigm shifting finds in anthropology and archaeology, like right there, as Hugh was showing, Homo heidelbergensis, will create a new story that we intuitively know, but cannot yet pin down.
I'm a stonemason.
I'm an amateur historian.
I usually don't go out on a limb, but I've been kicked out to the limb and been called all kinds of names, personally insulted, just for taking up what's in the historical record and asking questions about it.
It's as simple as that.
It shows you the lizard-brained...
Subhuman that is the hardcore skeptic that cannot envision something differently.
It's like their brains don't make enough dopamine, so they have to personally insult other people.
And we have a scenario here where it's like religion and politics, and we're trying to meet in the middle and try to be reasonable and work with reasonable, objective professionals to figure out there has to be an anthropological link here.
Is it the Denisovans?
Is it something else?
Is it not a reality?
Let's find out.
Absolutely.
Are there any particular, you know, when these skeletons are found, do they find other things alongside the skeletons?
And can you report on what type of things they might find alongside the skeletons?
Either one of you.
Well, yes.
Well, I'll quickly say they have found many or many giant implements, crowns, axes have been reported and displayed actually.
We have a 33-pound stone axe that's showing up in the mail in a day or two that a gentleman sent to us that has wear on it, actually.
I'm a stonemason, and I don't wield a 33-pound axe.
A lot of these objects have been called ceremonial.
There are two stories here.
One of a Native American royal class, a royal bloodline, kept together quite possibly by interbreeding, that goes back to the original tall ones in this country.
And then quite frankly, a malevolent race of giants that the Native Americans talk about being cannibalistic and sometimes having red hair.
So there's two different stories that we're dealing with.
I don't know particularly what it all means, but...
That's the story we get from Native Americans.
And yeah, that one up top was called the world's largest in Kansas City, 33-pound, 10-ounce axe with wear on it.
And it's like, I don't know.
Oh, quickly, in South Africa, a couple of years ago, at the lowest level of a basin, Oxford scientists found four enormous hand axes that you can see pictures on the Internet, absolutely enormous, mixed with 10,000 artifacts of normal size.
Which begs the question, and the academics from Oxford just, they literally said they don't know what to make of it.
They're not going to go out on a limb and say these are giant axes, but they say they are worn, they are man-made, they are legitimate, but they are absolutely enormous and could only be wielded by an enormous person.
And, you know, these are questions we're looking into.
The idea of Heidelbergensis possibly being well over seven foot tall, like Professor Lee Berger From South Africa claims, and he has bones to kind of indicate that potential reality.
Or the Denisovan finds in the Siberian cave, the tooth that he just showed that we covered in our show that has 50% more surface area than a normal tooth.
Could this be?
Yeah, there we go right there.
They thought it was a cave's bear tooth when they first found it, and now it's been dated to 100,000 years ago.
Denisovans made it with Neanderthals and humans and some crazy ancient orgy.
There was like hybrids created everywhere and there was Denisovan DNA found in the United States.
So mitochondrial DNA testing has thrown us another curveball too.
So the moral of the story is have an open mind, look at the science, work to, you know, create a reasonable hypothesis.
And that's where we're coming from.
I don't want to tell you this story I know a friend of a friend of a friend who knew a guy who worked at the Smithsonian, that kind of stuff.
I follow a lot of dead ends.
I want credible proof and reasonable supposition, and that's what we're both trying to seek.
Okay.
Hugh, are there any particular stories that you've come across lately in your hunt?
that have particularly grabbed your interest in other words because you know your trips over to the United States any particular place that you think is is really kind of key in a way that stands out and I and alongside that question I want to know whether or not you investigated the Phoenix Arizona area because you know you must have heard the stories of that that even Hoagland says What
we're looking at in Phoenix is the tops of mountains.
Everything is buried under a huge amount of sand.
Under that is basically another Egypt.
What was found in the Grand Canyon, the stories from the 1900s and so on.
Have you, therefore, gone into that area and are there discoveries there at all?
There is quite a lot I've read about down there.
There's a gentleman, Jim, if you remember his name, who did a brilliant lecture.
He lives down that way.
I forget his name offhand.
He's been walking the landscape and he's been finding these large burial holes in the ground drilled into solid rock.
Sometimes there's a pair of them and there's often giant skeletons found at the bottom of these and then they're covered up with this disc of rock.
So you can never really find them, and then sand all over the place.
But he's found some, and this is just one of many.
I mean, the southwest, and even if you go into California, there's a remarkable amount of giant skeletons that have been reported right out into the Catalina Island area.
St.
Nicholas, all the Channel Islands, they have many reports.
One of the islands there is now a military base, and you can't go on it, but that's where a lot of the skeletons with double rows of teeth were found.
There's evidence of occupation of that area going back to possibly the oldest in America.
Some reports, some early reports put it back to 40,000 years of human activity.
Others say about 12,000 years, and there's evidence of seafaring capabilities and very unique Beautifully cut kind of tall heads, spears and things like this in that area.
And there's a big question mark now because some of the skeletons they found there are kind of like modern looking.
You get sort of modern features.
You don't have the sort of classic Native American features.
So this is causing a lot of controversy in North America, especially when we're looking at the different migrations and things like this and trying to date the stuff.
In Nevada, around Humboldt Lake...
We have the Lovelock Cave mummies that were found.
We do a whole segment on that in the Legends of the Tall Ones chapter.
There's very strong legends there that talk about this cannibalistic red-haired race of real scary people.
Since then, they found a six-foot-six skeleton in 1910.
There was a reported nine-foot skeleton before that in 1904 or 1905.
There's other reports that have come out of there where they were digging guano in this cave and they started finding all these artifacts, oversized artifacts and skeletons.
You also have, you know, one of the dating controversies is the mummified remains of Spirit Cave.
Which is at least 8,400 years old and it's a perfectly mummified human male who looks just like a modern human which doesn't make sense.
It doesn't fit in with the whole theory of the Bering Land Bridge bringing people over from Siberia and populating North America.
It seems like there was something going on a long time before that in North America and we have to question what that was.
One of the things I'm really into, which Ross Hamilton has been teaching me about, is the Native Americans' oral history and stories of different parts of the country, most notably the Adina and the Iroquois and cultures like that, who claim, as the Hopi and others do,
that the creation point of humanity is in America and they came down from either the stars or from spirit and manifested there in the land mass that is known as America which now with some of the finds that are being found which some that go back 70,000 years there's a couple of accounts that talk The whole question mark about where these giants came from is really under scrutiny.
A lot of people claim they're the Nephilim.
They came from the Bible lands.
There's a whole movement of Christian researchers who believe in that, which is It makes sense when you look into it that there is some evidence that could be the case, but this is obviously much later.
There's much earlier giant activity in North America and obviously around the world, so there's a huge amount of question marks, but the fact that we've got over a thousand accounts and counting...
More and more just keep, you know, people send us more, other researchers are now doing it, everyone's kind of getting together and presenting this research and it's incredible when you start looking into it, it's just you can't ignore this and the fact that it's been deleted from the historical record makes you want to look into it even more, doesn't it?
Anything that's kind of been covered up or That's my little rant.
Over to you, Jim.
That's your little rant.
One thing that's interesting, if I can pick up on this, is that cool?
Yes.
Okay, you spoke about the Grand Canyon Phoenix Gazette 1909, May 15th article about a lost city.
I will say that I've looked into that account and into that area, and there's a lot of interesting things that I found.
Philip Coppins, the late Philip Coppins, actually found...
I'll give some background.
The article states in 1909, the Phoenix Gazette, that a A man named Kincaid, G.E. Kincaid from Idaho, I believe, is exploring the Colorado River at the behest of the Smithsonian.
And Professor Jordan from the Smithsonian was supposed to join him.
And Kincaid claimed to have found this amazing underground city with enormous mummies and artifacts.
But the descriptions weren't Egyptian.
It was more like Buddhist-like, Egyptian-like, And if it is a reality, I would point more towards some survivors from Lemuria or Atlantis.
I know that's off the wall, but I would think it's more like that.
But what Corpins found was, months earlier, he found another article that talked about Kincaid preparing to go down the Colorado, which is interesting because The idea is it's a one-off, it's a hoax, it's a silly story,
and we can never find Professor Jordan, but the reality is there are two separate articles talking about this, and I believe, honestly, you know, I don't know what Richard Hoagland is saying about out in the Southwest, but I am partial to the catastrophism theory of geology, not uniformitarianism.
I think we're a species with amnesia, as Graham Hancock and others talk about, that If you look at the human species where we're a mess, where we're running around with PTSD, we don't understand our own place in the universe or our own past, and I think that underneath the oceans and underneath the ground, deep in the ground, there are clues and there are secrets to be revealed that basically We'll tell us more about our history.
And I think for people who are anxious and want more proof, you know, you have to wait, you have to be objective.
But I believe there is, you know, theoretically out in the Southwest, there are lost cities, excuse me, deep underground that will reveal a lost civilization that people these areas.
I think that's perfectly reasonable.
And, you know, science will give us our answers.
But at the same time, what parameters does science exist within?
You know, if you watch Brian Greene's theoretical physicist's special on PBS, Fabric of the Cosmos, he talks about it's uniformly agreed upon that quantum physicists, theoretical physicists, say time does not exist.
It's all happening at once.
That you change a star 20 billion light years away at the subatomical level, not because you're reaching out and it's coming towards you, Because the mind is the projection that creates reality.
We collectively create reality in a holographic way in this dimension.
And we collectively, I believe, obfuscate the truth from ourselves.
So it always seems out of reach with many of these controversial subjects.
And the mind, the sleeping...
Traumatized mind of humanity can only deal with so much at a time, and people are waking up more and more and more and understanding the levels of corruption and the insidious nature of sociopaths running corporations and governments and endless wars, but it takes a while.
And I would say that these are things that are worth talking about, and I think if you key into esoteric texts and oral traditions, you find the same story that seems out of this world.
But I think there was a compelling reason to look into it.
And, you know, we shall see.
We already, once again, have quite a few mysteries that are really turning science upside down that have occurred in the last decade or two.
So we shall see.
Absolutely.
Well, let me ask you guys, have you had any experiences with, I don't know, Push back, in other words, have you, in your trails and your travels, have you found that people are trying to obfuscate or even have you had interference from the authorities or various things where you've gone to ancient sites,
etc., etc., and been sort of, I don't know, coerced in any way?
I'll answer that, just give my quick take.
There was a particularly racist head of anthropology at the Smithsonian, Dr.
Herlichka, starting in 1909, the first director of physical anthropology.
He lasted until like the 40s, I think.
He was particularly zealous.
He was quite a remarkable and nauseating racist, and we give some quotes of his.
Yeah, there he is.
He was a pre-Nazi eugenist, and frankly, a lot of the form of anthropology was done by quite racist individuals who would measure the skulls of Native Americans, African Americans, and try to draw conclusions based on intelligence, all these really misguided and sickening things.
What you have back then is Hrlitschke saying that giants are no more.
He was the one who ignored all the accounts in their own ethnology records, the accounts and reports of respected heads of archaeology and anthropology departments from the 1910s, 20s, and 30s also, and basically came with that assertion.
At that point, he was zealous.
He was a real A real bastard who really came down on anyone.
He had problems with Lewis Leakey.
I don't want to get into it, but the point is, it really became a taboo subject at that point.
Science had wrested the throne from religion in the late 1800s, and they stomped out any of this oral tradition being used to draw scientific inclusion, any of these other aspects to solve a mystery.
It was basically physical evidence.
And if you basically make physical evidence go away, there's not a lot to deal with.
And I just feel that it set the stage where you can't even talk about this without being, you know, people literally look at you like, I can't think of the most outrageous, you know, controversial topic, but, you know, somebody like myself and you, who are actually, I would say, pretty reasonable people in life, And do many reasonable activities, which is considered out there absolutely crazy.
And all I'm doing is looking at these historical accounts and trying to make sense of them.
So it's more a conspiracy of...
Whether you believe in UFOs or not, the CIA is the one who came up with the idea of the conspiracy theory being the nut.
And it was based on UFO sightings starting in the late 40s and continuing on.
We know from declassified documents and eyewitness testimony, things like that, that's the case.
That's what you have here.
It's like a conspiracy of old racism.
And once things get embedded, I mean, even to challenge the...
Yep, go on.
Okay, I appreciate all of that and thank you.
But actually my question was a little more personal than that.
I was just wondering where you and Hugh, whether or not when you've gone to some sites or done some of the investigation you've done, have you come against any kind of pushback, difficulty that was specifically put in place to mislead you or take you off track or stop you?
Yes.
That's a good question.
I haven't noticed it too much because I just find that that happens generally if you're researching anything slightly controversial.
We do have a couple of quite well-known skeptics who have a good go at us constantly and we do find that The online forums, Facebook, things like that, you've got to watch your back a little bit.
We've got to a point, me and Jim, where we just do it.
We just get on with it.
We just ignore anything.
Even if people make it difficult for us, then we push even harder and make things happen.
I think we're just quietly doing our thing.
We don't say anything too controversial.
The book may appear very controversial to some readers.
Because we're challenging the Smithsonian.
We're challenging certain aspects of academia.
So we may yet get comebacks, Kerry.
So we'll let you know if we do.
By the way, you mentioned the book, and obviously this was inspired to some degree by your book.
Show your book on the screen so people can see it.
I also want to encourage them to purchase it.
Where can they get your book?
I think there'll be a lot of interested people.
Sure, they can get it basically on Amazon is the best place.
We are just about to get it all in Barnes& Noble bookshops in America.
People can get it through us.
They can get it through facebook.com forward slash Giants on Record and just follow all the links.
But basically, it's available on Amazon.
We have a really nice hardback limited edition.
We have the classic paperback and we have Kindle version available.
And if people go to our YouTube channel, which is like the Megalithomania UK YouTube channel, people can watch some videos Jim and I have done.
We've got some, we're putting up some lectures, some interviews, some investigations.
In fact, I just put one up today.
Just about an investigation we did a while back in Deerfield, which is very close to Jim's hometown, where he had his Da Vinci Code moment and actually found evidence of giant bones in his local area.
We really encourage people to get the book, not just because we want to sell it, but because we've done a lot of work.
It's very balanced.
We're not pushing an agenda with it at all.
And there's a huge amount of data that people have never seen before that we feel is an important contribution to the whole ancient mysteries or the world of giantology as we know it.
Fabulous.
Let me ask you, didn't you get back from Turkey recently from Gobekli Tepe?
I did, yes.
That's correct.
Because I was there not long ago, as you know.
Yes, we almost met there, didn't we?
Almost.
Yeah, I think a couple weeks apart.
And fascinating, absolutely fascinating sight.
I was wondering if there's any giants been discovered in that area.
There is an account, there is a story from, what's that guy's name?
Joe, Jim, do you remember his name?
Joe, this really interesting guy called Joe from Texas, and he reconstructed Sorry?
Joe Taylor.
Joe Taylor, that's the one.
And he reconstructed a bone that was found not too far from Quebec, probably within 100 miles, within 80 miles, something like that.
But this was based on an account that he'd read, that he'd heard somewhere.
We haven't found any actual bones, but he reconstructed the bone and created this model, which is in his museum in Texas, and believed it was someone who was, what, 13 foot tall, something like that, So, we do have accounts like that, but there is, I've seen as well, and I don't have it on me right now, but I've seen evidence of a giant jawbone actually being on display in a hotel in southeast Turkey, and I'm trying to locate exactly where it is.
I think it's quite a long way.
It's more like near Mount Ararat than it is Gebekli, which is like near San Yorfa.
So there are a few accounts there, and there are a few legends that kind of hint at that.
Obviously, we have the whole Nephilim thing, we have the whole Anunnaki thing.
There's a lot of that kind of mythology there, and it's the northern tier of really where that whole area is.
It's the most northern part of where the Bible Land giants existed.
They call it the birthplace of humanity, this time around, anyway.
Yes.
From my understanding, there's several seedings of humanity over time, but...
So with that in mind, one would think, and especially with all of the sort of Sumerian tablet information, etc., there would be amazing finds in Iraq, in Syria, in that part of Turkey as well.
I mean, Jim has researched a couple of accounts.
So you've got that one from Iraq, I believe, Jim, and the other one.
Maybe there's some valid research on that area, actually, Kerry.
Yes.
Yeah, I spoke with Dr.
Zamor from Leiden University in the Netherlands, and his colleagues, Muhammad Ali was his name actually, in northern Iraq, in the Kala region, found, it's funny, this shows you I wouldn't say the will to believe, but over-exaggeration mixed with reality that are both interesting.
The report from AK News a couple of years ago, which is a Kurdish television station, the outlet ran the report, three 10-foot skeletons found in the Kala region.
I investigated, I talked to Dr.
Zamoua, and what happened was the reporter took and ran with the story without all the facts.
The reality was there were three skeletons found.
One was a child, one was badly damaged, and the other was 7'7", with a 12-inch skull.
Now, that's quite large.
It's dated to 2000 BC. I spoke to Dr.
Zamoua last year, and he's an estereologist.
They're having problems, as you might imagine, in northern Iraq now, so I don't know if it's been fully examined by a physical anthropologist yet, but that was a preliminary findings.
That was 7'7 with a 12-inch tall skull, which is quite remarkable.
And certainly there are quite a few accounts of 6 1⁄2 to 7 1⁄2 foot tall skeletons in that entire region found in the last 10 to 20 years.
You know, you're eight, nine, ten foot tall, that's a different matter.
Seven foot seven is quite alarmingly big, however, and we shall see on these finds.
But I agree with you that Gobekli Tepe is the birthplace of humanity this round around where agriculture was created.
I would say a pre-Ice Age sophisticated civilization It was dispersed there, and they are the ones who organized the hunter-gatherers at Gobekli Tepe to create temples, to cultivate grains, and I, like Andrew Collins, believe it is the birthplace of this new round of civilization, but like Graham Hancock and others, I believe there have been other rounds of humanity, no question about it.
Absolutely.
And just let me say, guys, that the photos that we're showing here have to be, we have to have the rights to, in other words, you guys have to have the rights, so I'm going to ask you not to show me photos that you don't have the rights to.
Okay, yep.
Just because YouTube tends to get kind of pissy about that situation, so we want to be able to not have to deal with issues with that.
Okay.
But in terms of...
I've got a chat room going here, and it looks like there are a lot of people in there, so I'm going to ask the people, if you do have questions, we're going to wrap this up in a bit here, and obviously it's like an endless amount of information that we can go through regarding the Giants, but I didn't want to keep you guys too long.
I was wondering if people could put their questions in all caps.
That will save me a lot of time and if you can do that then it would be great because we would be able to get your direct questions and here's your opportunity to ask these guys anything that you're curious about.
It looks like we've got an audience around the world so if you are in a certain If you have some questions about giants, feel free to ask them.
I'll read them aloud here as they come up as quickly as I can.
Let's see.
There's a person asking how many and where have horned skulls been found?
I will take that one.
It's just an Ellen joke.
I'm really into this horn skull thing.
But there have been a few accounts.
We actually have a very small horn skull segment in the book.
The famous one is the Sare story from Pennsylvania where supposedly some horn skulls were found.
But we looked into that really thoroughly and I'll just try to find a picture for you if I do have it.
I'm not sure if I have it here.
It's this one here actually.
Let me just screen share that for you so you've got it.
There you go.
So this was the Sare story from Pennsylvania, and this is like the famous image, but unfortunately, we don't want to burst anyone's bubble here, this was actually found in France, and it was photographed relatively recently, and it's not anything to do with the story from Sare.
That was a misinterpretation, but we have at least six other accounts.
I think we're good to go.
But the fact that you're finding just a few accounts with the giants really, you know, I find really bizarre and really just one of them weird anomalies.
And we feature it in the Anatomic Anomalies chapter in the book.
Can I jump in and respond?
That picture right there is from some whacked out Satanists made it in the 60s or something like that.
That's not a real skull.
That isn't a real skull.
This was actually made in the 16th century as a pagan ritual.
Well, supposedly in France.
And there's a museum called the Cetanium, which is based in I think it's in France.
It could be in America.
They don't like to give away who they are, but they're like an esoteric kind of museum who collects strange religious and ceremonial artifacts.
But they, on their website, claim it's a real skull.
And yet when we spoke to the curator, he claimed it wasn't.
So we were left with no clear answer.
They wouldn't get back to us after that.
But it's just one of those anomalies that we like to kind of include.
Yeah, I give a clear answer.
It's not real.
No question in my mind.
It would be sent and viewed by an anthropologist.
It is a fake...
Or to creation from a long time ago.
This is a cautionary tale for people who study these things.
In 1917, Warren K. Morehead and Allison Skinner, a respected archaeologist, unearthed the Sayre Mound, New York Times article, Scientific America article, and what happened was a reporter said, hey, look, there's a bunch of horns by the skeletons, and the The horns were like reindeer horns at the tops of the skeletons.
And in fact, the size of the skeletons were exaggerated in the fact that they had horns.
So we dove in, we found a New York Times editorial by Skinner who was kind of pissed off that they ran the story.
And this is the type of thing that happens based on the will to believe.
Of course it's a much cooler story if a horned skull was found, but if you are objectively researching this and you dive in and you post this and you claim it's real, It's just lazy and bad research, you know?
And the internet is a wasteland of inaccurate information and makes me want to pull my hair out.
And you have to dive in and go to the core of these stories if you want to legitimately and objectively look at these things.
Okay.
That's my rant.
I've got somebody else asking about DNA testing of the skulls and the skeletons.
You can't...
Well, let me just give a quick sentence.
You cannot DNA test any bones of Native American origin in the country.
And there was this big battle with Kennewick Man for the last 20 years, found out in Washington State, just about that.
And it's just a reality.
You cannot DNA test any skeletal material.
Hugh?
I have to say, sorry to interrupt, but This seems rather absurd because I don't understand.
In other words, they don't appear to be Native American.
A giant is not necessarily a Native American.
So how does that sort of get put together?
This is one of the big problems we've been dealing with in research in this book actually is the whole idea of really the origins of where these giants came from.
There's a lot of controversy.
there's a lot of problems with it because you get called a racist, you get called this, you get called that if you say the wrong thing.
So we have to tread really carefully.
But the more we've looked into it, the more we've honestly realized that there's a very deep prehistory of Native American culture, and they were related to the giants.
You get some legends and some stories, and there is bits of evidence to back this up, that there was this sort of opposing race to the Native Americans who were very tall.
They often had blonde or red hair, often with beards, and they were just this, this is thousands of years ago, We're talking about possibly 10,000 or more.
We're talking about the earliest references here because they've been noted in the legends with the same time as the megafauna, which we know when they died out 10,000, 12,000 years ago.
And so you do get that.
They talk about this distant white race that roamed the land and they were terrorizing people Other legends talk about they were actually very nice people and very helpful.
And so we don't know if that was incoming migrations or it was just travelers going around the world in prehistory, like diffusionism, etc.
Or if there was actually an origin point of the traditional Native Americans and this different race, this sort of tall, giant, fair-skinned race.
To take a skull and, you know, have somebody do this, I don't know if it's CGI or whatever you call it, but a way to construct how the face would actually have looked on the skull.
Yes, we do have some of that, yes, but the problem is you get, it's like with anywhere in the world, you get different types of skulls.
Right.
I mean, one of the classic Adena traits, for instance.
That's what I was saying, there's different races of giants.
Yes.
I mean, it's such a vast country, America, that you will get different genetic kind of things going on.
You're going to have influences coming...
But you are saying that at this time, are the Native Americans preventing any testing of any skeletons?
Well, I don't know.
I'm not 100% sure.
I mean, they are, if they believe they're from their kind of lineage, which is what, you know, generally is happening.
So yes is the answer, but...
There are some problems because there's some very unusual skulls and teeth and bones that have been found, which don't fit in with a certain lineage because they're so old, you can't trace it back.
The NAGPRA, you have to trace it back and prove it.
But one of the things, coming back to the question, is that there has been DNA testing done on a lot of Native American tribes now.
And there is Denisovan DNA in some of them, a small amount.
There's also Haplogroup X, which comes over from Europe and the Middle East, which fits in with the whole kind of Westerners, the Nordic potential people, or the Nephilim coming in past the Atlantic into America.
You also have the Denisovans who would have come in from Siberia a very long time ago, We know the Denisovans were doing their thing and mating with Neanderthals, modern humans, and an unknown group called Species X. One of the things Andrew Collins is working on, and we've been working with him quite closely, is the idea of...
Human hybrids occurring, and therefore the giant traits would emerge.
But we know the Denisovine were tall.
We know they had very large teeth.
They had very large finger bones, so they must have been equally bigger.
Their distant relations were Homo hibaldegensis, who were based in South Africa and Europe as well.
But the taller ones of those were between 7 foot and 10 feet tall, potentially.
This has been documented properly, and even Michael Tellinger has investigated some bones that are actually in the He's, you know, college where he used to go to college in South Africa.
So we know there's connections there.
Just more tests need to be done.
The problem is all the bones have gone.
Smithsonian took them away, and then NAGPRA took them away.
So there's this two level of removal of all the evidence.
So there's nothing to work on.
It's a massive problem.
So we're, like, desperate to find anything that can help us.
But it's kind of illegal.
You know, technically, if we were to kind of try and do some tests on a skull...
We get arrested.
So there's a real problem there.
How the secrecy locks things down.
Someone else is asking, have you met with Michael Cremo?
And by the way, let me say that I'm going to be having Michael Cremo on my show.
I think it's in January, something like the 13th or the 14th that I'll be advertising it.
Have you met him?
And I'm not sure why they're asking, but...
Sure, yeah.
We actually talk about some of Michael's research in our final chapter when we're looking at the origins of the tall ones or the giants.
And yes, I know Michael.
He's spoken at Megalithomania in 2012.
I've met him a couple of other times, once in California, and highly respect his work.
He's one of the key researchers, especially when you're looking at super-ancient stuff.
Yeah.
But we referenced him because there have been some finds in North America.
There's one in New Jersey.
There's one in the Pen on a Woman near Mexico City.
There's other finds in California which have modern type, what we might now call Cro-Magnon skulls or slightly more modern human skulls, have been found in North America which are extremely ancient, going back some of them 70,000 years.
Other ones are over 100,000 years.
And so there's evidence...
A different type of human, almost like a modern type of human that may not have been white, they could have just been Native Americans or whatever, but I don't want to get into that side of things.
But that has thrown open a whole load of problems about who was here first and about where these giants came from and about what was really going on.
And even one of the people we interviewed for the TV show in the book was Dr.
Shara Bailey, who's a dental anthropologist from New York University.
I've actually got a copy of one of her lectures, and she is now on the side of that it didn't all just happen in Africa.
Life didn't just come out of Africa.
It came out of everywhere, including America.
And they think they're speciation.
Which is like hybridization or whatever, occurred in America with Denisovans coming in from somewhere, the people who were here, other people, even like there's stories of, there's legends and ideas now that native cultures of North America migrated out of America and influenced the world.
No one ever talks about it that way around.
So there's a lot going on to try and get your head around.
But Michael Cremo's stuff is very important when you're looking at this kind of thing.
Okay, someone wants to ask about America's Stonehenge in Salem, New Hampshire, it looks like.
Okay, I'll answer that.
Michael Cremo, actually, let me hit a couple points.
He claimed that he was going to a museum in New Zealand a couple years back, and that they had a nine-foot skeleton that he was going to be shown, and then when he showed up there, he was told he could not see it.
You should run that story by him.
I just have to say that that's very interesting because Camelot was told there were Anunnaki skulls in Malta, and we made a trip there.
We were shown in a very special museum, etc., etc., and taken into the back room, and suddenly there were no Anunnaki skulls to be found, and we were just shown some sort of...
Slightly different skulls, but certainly not Anunnaki as we understand them.
We were also put into that position, strangely enough.
There are documented Anunnaki skulls that have been found in Malta by researchers, very serious scientific researchers, in the past.
It's just that the skulls somehow disappear.
The Vatican has a very strong hold over Malta, so you can appreciate where they might have gone from there.
So, in Cremo's case, you're saying he actually was, again, he flew out to a place, he was supposed to see something, and it's not there.
That's what he told me.
It was in his book.
I personally corresponded with him.
He told me the same thing.
I found it very interesting.
As far as DNA testing, you cannot, it's illegal to unearth any skeletons to DNA test them.
Even I found out to photograph them.
I just spoke with an archaeologist from Hawaii about a burial site there.
I understand the Native American angle, believe me.
They've been screwed over to no end.
All their burial sites have been desecrated.
Their religion, their spiritual beliefs have been marginalized and denigrated.
It's an unfortunate side effect.
I believe our answers will come from more of an ancient find like in Siberia or another place.
But we shall see.
As far as America's Stonehenge, it is a site in New Hampshire purported to be quite old.
I have a carbon dated report there from Jim Whittle, amateur archaeologist's I don't believe there are artifacts associated with the building of it quite yet found, which you need artifact evidence to conclusively tie that down.
I'm friends with Dennis there.
I think he's doing a dig fairly soon, which would be cool.
That site, Hugh and I both have been there.
I don't know what the hell it is.
I'll tell you what.
From a stonemason's perspective, it's pretty badass.
There are some huge stones.
There's no mortar.
The records reveal nothing.
It's really frustrating in New England when you go through all these places and you don't find anything in the deeds of the records really indicating who built these things.
The problem would be to find some artifacts in situ that put in context the proper age.
There's some pictures right there.
Once again, these are things that require further examination and I would say Don't be so quick to throw around conspiracy ideas.
If you provided ample evidence, you would get archaeologists on your side that this is an ancient site.
It's really a matter of finding conclusive proof.
Okay, thank you.
This just reminds me, I just got a report recently that there are I don't know who they are, but there's a whole bunch of people digging right now at Long Barrow in England.
Have you heard that?
And do you know what they're there for?
Because this happens rather suddenly, apparently, and is fairly substantial.
Did you hear about that?
Yeah, Jim and I visited West Kent at Long Barrow and we couldn't go there because they were doing some excavation or they were certainly doing something there.
So whether they found something or they scanned the ground or there's something under the ground, we don't know yet.
I mean, they don't really give it away until they publish an official report.
But Jim was on the unfortunate end of not being able to visit it because he came over about a month or so ago when he spoke at the origins conference.
I'm going to England actually for Christmas, so I don't know if I'll I have been to Long Barrow and it's a fascinating place.
There's no doubt that it goes below the surface, much deeper than what you are able to go in.
So you weren't able to question anybody or anything there?
There was no one there really.
We went there at the end of the day.
It's just closed up and they had a big sign up so it was kind of pointless.
But yeah, they've been doing stuff at Avebury as well along one of the avenues.
I don't know if there's anything sinister going on there or anything.
Who knows though?
But what I am interested in, if they find stuff and they don't tell us, that's where it gets annoying.
Exactly.
Yeah, I mean, so let's hope it's all official and it's all done properly, and we hope it is, because even Stonehenge has very, very little excavation done at Stonehenge.
I mean, you've got the looters in the 1600s, 1700s.
There have been a secret excavation at Stonehenge that they haven't revealed, and of course they rerouted the highway and all of that sort of thing.
Yes, so they may have found a lot.
I mean, they found, like, through LIDAR scanning, they found so much in the whole Stonehenge landscape.
They found evidence of what they call a superhenge, as well as a number of other potential ancient stone circles and other things all linking to this great, vast complex, which they now have dated to over 10,000 years old in some parts.
We're looking at a Mesolithic culture that inspired the Stonehenge culture.
You know, I think her name is Maria Wheatley.
Yes, I know Maria.
I don't know if you have the right name.
I interviewed her briefly a year or two ago in England, but she has done a lot of investigation around Stonehenge.
I think I'm going to try to get in touch with her again and have her on my show.
So yeah, I mean obviously you've been sort of all through England and all of that.
Have you spent time in Scotland just while we're on the show?
I've been to Scotland a few times.
I hung around near Fortin Good and Loctay.
There's a whole bunch of megalithic stuff up there.
Mount Shialion, which has got a lot of legends of fairies and elves and all that kind of thing.
As well as going to Kalanish on the Outer Hebrides.
Planning on going to Orkney September next year.
That's one of the most impressive places I haven't visited yet.
And also, I've been researching the stone spheres, the geometric stone spheres you can kind of hold in your hand, that I found all over northern Scotland and their relationship around the world.
I actually found one of those, most identical, near Tiwanaku in Bolivia, in this sort of obscure museum.
So there could be connections between Scotland and Bolivia.
I'm working on that as we speak, just to see if there's any way they could have...
I've been sailing around the world at that particular time.
So, Scotland, yes, I want to go to Scotland.
Please.
Roslyn Chapel, and that's a fascinating area, of course, and just wondering offhand what might be found there.
I know that the landscape in Isle of Skye and Northern Scotland, I mean, just so unusual looking.
It just, you know...
It would be fascinating.
Beautiful, yeah.
Prometheus.
Someone is asking about the island of Sardinia.
Yes.
They have a huge amount of giant skeletons there.
Is that right?
Yes, that is correct.
I mean, Jim might want to jump in here as well, but there's some brilliant megalithic sites there.
Very interesting sites.
A lot of them are called Giant's Graves or Temple of the Giants or something like this.
And there was actually a TV show in England that Jamie Theakston of all people hosted and investigating some actual bones that were once on display and in the possession of some of the locals.
I'm planning on maybe going to this winter.
I'm going to try and persuade Jim to his thinking of coming over to Europe.
And another friend of mine who's coming over from America.
So we're hopefully going to check that out.
Because that to me, not only are the megalithic sites incredible, and I'm an obsessive megalithomaniac, but the giants there, for any giantologist you've got to go there basically.
We have several accounts from 1920s, 1950s of eight foot and tall skeletons being reported unearthed in Sardinia.
Okay, excellent.
Okay, let me see.
Somebody's asking about China and Siberia.
I'm trying to actually, it's kind of getting away from me here.
The chat, I think maybe people are asking.
We've got questions galore here.
Let's see, what's going on in Antarctica as well, they want to know.
You know, the Nazis have a secret base there, of course.
The Tarim Basin mummies were found with red and blonde hair in China.
One of them was 6'6", rather large, and Last year there was a story that came out of China with a 7 foot 6 inch skeleton with teeth set transversely in the jaw, which was very odd.
We're still trying to get an interpreter and hunt that down.
But I found that a particularly interesting story and there were a lot of interesting finds there.
Edgar Cayce He talks about there being a secret city buried in Gobi, and he talks about the earthen pyramids that are all around China being basically representations of the homeland of Atlantis and things that you find built by the American mound builders too.
It's this interesting parallel.
As far as Antarctica, I have not traveled there.
I do not know.
There is a case to be made when you look at the old maps like the Perry-Reese map and the ancient source maps that went back to the Library of Alexandria that there were ancient sea kings who may have mapped the world and that Antarctica might have been more ice-free much sooner than we think.
Even 70,000 years ago, it sounds weird, but it's not like geological depositing.
Ice builds up at a rate that is not indicative of the way we think it's ages.
A larger point here, I believe, is that there are real conspiracies in the world.
There's Building 7, there's sociopaths like Dick Cheney, who should be tried as war criminals.
There are real things going on.
The cover-up of probably Tesla's information at Wardenclyffe and free energy and things like that.
But then there's red herrings out there and there's nonsense and there's unverifiable things out there and people just cannot Because people are so pissed and they loathe the system so much that they put together archaeologists and anthropologists and people in the physical science as a wing of a corrupt system.
That just isn't true.
There are arrogant and idiotic, like Zawi Hawass, guys who should be run out on a rail, but there are many reasonable and objective professionals out there that you can work with And you have to make a good case.
The point is, the crux of the issue is that, as Dr.
Albert Goodyear once said, you don't look for what you don't believe in.
That is a real problem in the sciences.
It's literally the mind is creating reality.
And you just...
Like, nobody dug at any Clovis site to find pre-Clovis material until they started with Monteverde and finding new dates.
You know, it's this...
Paradigm is held in place with just thoughts and, you know, a paradigm is stuck like glue like that.
Let me ask you, what about Easter Island while we're on the subject of going all over the world?
I believe all around the planet you have megalithic-style polygonal wall building that is very similar.
And Soxiwaman in Tiwanaku, Easter Island is one of those sites.
Have any skeletons been found on Easter Island?
Oh, I see.
You happen to know.
We do have some accounts in our records which we're preparing for the next book.
There is one account.
I think some skeletons and also way back when it was first being discovered.
And also there's sort of legends and stories of people that some of the early travellers who arrived there could literally walk between the legs of the giants.
They were that tall.
And there was two races.
There was the long ears and the short ears.
And one of that group, I think the long ears, was more red-headed and fairer-skinned.
And these were apparently the giants, and these were like the master stonemasons who would rule Easter Island as such.
The giant heads, one would assume that those carvings of heads actually might have been depicting real beings.
Quite possibly.
Very unusual looking fellows, but yes, absolutely.
I just want to mention the picture I do have up here, because the gentleman asked about...
We have this report here from Frederick A. Cook from 1899, and he actually travelled down there on an expedition and went from, as you can see on the image, went from Patagonia, the southern tip of South America, all around the Antarctic Islands, even onto the mainland as well.
It was on some of these islands he met the Onas Indians, and these were up to 7 foot 6 inches tall.
Here's a photograph of a couple of them.
Where's the dude that's 7-4?
Do you have him?
No, all I have is this one here as well.
There's many accounts from Patagonia and Tierra del Fuego.
This whole area here is just a huge amount of reports, from the 1500s to the 1800s.
We feature in our early explorers chapter of witnessing live giants and interacting with them, and here's an illustration of one of those.
So there was stuff.
There were giants of Antarctica.
That is a real thing.
So this gentleman probably intuitively realized we'd actually done a little bit of research on this.
Excellent.
Someone is asking about red-haired giants found in the Indian River in Florida.
Okay, yeah, this is the bog mummies, I believe.
This is the bog mummies that were found not too far from Cape Canaveral.
We don't know if these were giants, but one of them was six foot two, so about my height, so he's pretty tall.
But we know that they were dated to at least 8,000 years old.
They had haplogroup DNA. They were found at the bottom of these bogs under a lot of water.
So eventually when...
When they uncovered them, they couldn't believe that they were potentially linked to Europe about 8,000 or 9,000 years ago.
So that is one of the anomalies.
But we do find Haplogroup X and other red-haired giants around the country as well.
But there are other accounts of giants being found in Florida.
We have several in the book.
I mean, literally the whole country we're dealing with here.
But this red-haired thing does keep coming up, and it appears to be extremely ancient.
Much older than the Ohio Valley mound building cultures.
What about, someone is asking Mount Shasta, any giants around that?
Jim?
Mount Shasta?
Certainly we have accounts that are specific, Mount Shasta, but there's also all these myths and legends of Lemurians, Traveling there and living in underground places and even, well Edgar Cayce talked about Lemuria actually being a place of more ethereal beings that were not fully incarnated into a body, kind of the first place that had our, you know, the human as currently constituted.
And I know it sounds metaphysical, but there's a lot of interesting lore around Mount Shasta and the idea that These beings are the gatekeepers underneath Mount Shasta, and there are certainly the Native Americans have the myths and legends there.
In the Curse of the Giant Hunters chapter, we have an account by J.C. Brown in the 30s, who basically disappeared as he gathered, you know, to like an underground cavernous city that was described in Mount Shasta.
A very wild account.
They held a candlelight vigil for him, and he never showed up again.
In this legitimate report from the Stockton Observer, and it's just one of these odd things, you know, there's a couple disappearances.
Dr.
Bruce Russell in 1947.
The American Southwest, you know, it's like so much slippery acid when you go out there.
It's such a strange and wild place, and there's just lots of incredible lore, and the Native American I will tell you the same story.
I've been to Sonoma.
I've been around the Southwest.
The Native Americans, there is an antiquity there that doesn't exist in other parts of the country, and it could have to do with it being a landing place many, many, many, many thousands of years ago for different peoples.
I'll quickly say...
The thing about the whole debate with Native Americans and racism has to do with the late 1800s, or actually when the colony showed up, the mounds and burial sites and geometric forms were of such sophistication,
because of racism and manifest destiny, they did not and could not attribute them to Native American tribes, which we know anthropologically has been proven that the ancestors of modern-day Native Americans Oops.
Interesting.
Are you still there, Hugh?
I'm still here, yes.
I think we lost Jim.
I think he got taken away by giant aliens temporarily.
He'll be back.
That's weird.
Jim, are you back?
Sorry.
Am I here yet?
Yeah, yeah.
It just got cut off, man.
So there was this whole lost civilization that was set up that was particularly racist and did not give Native Americans credit.
Native Americans are particularly touchy about that subject.
That's where you get all these cries of racism.
And, you know, if anything, we're, you know, touting the other side of the story.
I get it.
Okay.
I wanted to ask you guys, what about, you know...
What do they call them?
You know, like abominable snowman, like...
Satchwatch.
Satchwatch, yeah, whatever you want to call them.
These beings have been spotted.
I wonder if there's any skeletal evidence of a being that isn't a human, that is also a giant.
Oh, yeah.
That's a good question, actually.
We don't really research set squat too much in the book, but what we have found is down in the Carolinas, you have the legend of Tuscaloosa, which we thought was a giant, but the descriptions of him do make him seem like he's some kind of Bigfoot, abominable snowman or set squat or whatever you want to call it.
And so there are some live descriptions in the legends, I think, may reference that.
We don't include it as a thing in our book.
It's kind of beyond the scope.
What we're dealing with is giant human skeletons.
But there are some strange crossovers when you're looking into the legends, the oral histories, and some eyewitness accounts.
So I would imagine that there is something in that that needs to be explored further.
It might be fascinating if there was such a thing because you know how they say they, well, the information I have is that they come from off-planet and that they can go interdimensional as well.
To dismiss it out of hand, yeah, to dismiss the Bigfoot phenomenon out of hand is disingenuous.
People are seeing something all throughout the ages, all around the world.
Not only have people been drawing the same pictures, telling the same stories, the indigenous oral traditions are the same about a hairy creature.
Now you need a breeding population and things like that, which I understand, but just to dismiss it like it's some idiocy is ridiculous.
It's like claiming Native American oral history as fairy tales and unicorns, which is another idiotic argument.
There's something going on.
I don't fully understand it, but it's really compelling and worth investigating.
Absolutely.
There are, well, there are, I mean, we aren't really talking about this, so I don't want to, like, go off on a tangent here, and I do want to close this down quite quickly, but, you know, obviously there are discussions and, you know, tiny skeletons have been found of little miniature people, like very miniature, and maybe completely other kinds of beings.
I've heard information about that as well.
In other words, miniature skeletons.
There are so many, the questions keep going by and they're going by kind of quickly so it's hard for me to grab them.
Somebody keeps asking about Jesus being born in September and why do we celebrate Christmas now?
Was he a giant?
It's a fair question.
I mean, the evidence is that Jesus was, I heard, born in April, I thought it was, but, you know, someone's here saying, there's also information that there's more than one Jesus, and they were put together as a composite.
They may have been zero.
Yes, I'm the other Jesus.
So, you know, for what it's worth.
But I don't think that really has anything to do with what you guys have researched unless you wanted to address that.
Well, you mentioned the little people.
This is something me and Jim have become very interested in.
We have not only skeletal accounts.
I mentioned the horned skulls earlier, these little people from, I believe, Indiana who were...
Hanging around with the giant's head, tails, etc.
But there's actually a report from the 1500s.
We laugh at our own research.
It becomes quite funny.
But I've just got it here.
I'm just going to show you.
This is like Alonzo Pineda.
He was one of the first Spanish explorers to go into America in the early 1500s.
And he witnessed live giants along various rivers, the Colorado River, Mississippi, and so forth.
But I'll just quote this bit here.
This is what he wrote.
A race of giants from 10 to 11 palms in height and a race of pygmies only 5 or 6 palms in height were witnessed in this area.
So we're talking about 8 foot giants and like Three-foot pygmies or something like this.
And these were witnessed, matter of fact, written in the diaries of these explorers.
And as Jim knows, and we've been working with Ross on this, there's possibly more accounts of little people in the oral tradition.
And this is what Vine Deloria Jr., who we must credit here, talked about.
He died 10 years ago, unfortunately.
And he was a big inspiration to Ross and to us.
but he mentions lots of accounts, lots of legends, myths, stories, very accurate oral histories that describe these little people as well as giants, you know, going back many thousands of years.
So there's something in that for sure.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yes.
Someone else, and really I'm going to take one more question and then we're going to close this down here.
It's fascinating because people are really fascinated by this.
I have to say, if we stayed online all day, we'd probably reach the thousands live at this moment.
And that's hard to do in the middle of the day, I have to tell you, in California.
But there are a lot of people very interested in what's being said here.
Someone is asking about the North Ohio mounds and their connection to Atlantis.
Anything to say about that?
Yeah, I could pick that one up because I'm an Atlantologist, right, Hugh?
That's right.
I will say that in Indonesia a couple years ago, they found Homo...
I'm sorry...
Florensis, the hobbits, yeah, were found on the island of Florensis, three and a half foot tall, nine skeletal remains from 100,000 years ago to like 12,000 years ago.
They existed on this island.
It meets the oral history of the people who live there, the native people who call it the Igbo-gogo.
So we have basically this enormously small or outrageously small hominid that was found 10 years ago.
Vine Deloria held a conference of Native American elders in the United States a couple of years back to gather the lore, and he talked about they had more legends of little people than even giants, which is quite another interesting thing.
Well, certainly Scotland and Ireland have always had that.
Right?
All around the planet, once again, it's just this strange reality.
I'm sorry, to...
Oh yeah, the Portsmouth, Ohio earthwork that is now destroyed, but it was surveyed by Squire and Davis at the Smithsonian, clearly shows the representation of Plato's central city of Atlantis.
We have it in the book in the Giants of Atlantis chapter question mark.
Greg Little, our friend and researcher, pointed this out, that Edgar Cayce talked about the mounds of America oftentimes being representation of the central city of Atlantis, which is very, very odd, because there's moats around them, just like you find in England and Europe, these geometric forms that look just like Plato's description of Atlantis,
and Cayce even specifically states that, and he says that the Iroquois people It came to the northeast of the United States 12,000 years ago after the final cataclysm of Atlantis, and that they were the pure-bred Atlanteans.
And mitochondrial DNA evidence shows that Happel Group X actually is in large concentrations in Native Americans in that area, and the X is the one That is only found in the Altai region in Siberia.
It's basically this strange, how the hell did they get here to the Great Lakes region without leaving genetic material behind?
So once again, mitochondrial DNA research has thrown a real curve ball.
And of course, it's viewed upside down, and these esoteric subjects are not yet taken seriously.
But there's the picture right there that he was showing.
But it's quite a compelling thing, and we talk about it extensively in the book.
Well, let me just say that one of my whistleblowers, Mark Richards, talks about actually Florida and part of the United States being part of Atlantis.
California and this side, the western side, was part of Lemuria apparently, just for what it's worth.
But Atlantis, the largest part of Atlantis apparently was in the Atlantic as it's been depicted often in research.
And taking into account parts of off the coast of Spain and Portugal, I guess.
So we're talking, you know, very interesting things.
Of course, people in Malta believe that Atlantis was there.
But Atlantis, we are told, is also, as a civilization, was a worldwide civilization.
But the actual islands, the concentration was apparently in the Atlantic.
It's all very interesting.
I have had interest in the fact that Malta has been a repository for secret information about the fall of Atlantis, and that's all I can say about it.
I tried to do some research regarding that.
I haven't gotten very far, but I'm not the only one who thinks that about Malta, just FYI. Malta is a fascinating place and has a lot of secrets The temples also, Mark Richards says, were not built by humans.
That's obvious, you know, the megalithic structures.
Hugh, you were just there in Malta not too long ago.
And Gozo, you know, the island of Gozo, and you know about Gugentia and all of that.
The evidence is that these were built for very tall people, at least Gugentia, and just gigantic.
That structure.
I don't know if you have spent time around that and investigated that.
I have, yeah.
It's a very interesting place.
Alright, so at this moment, I appreciate all the questions in the chat.
I appreciate the interest out there.
This is great.
And guys, it's wonderful to have you on the show and thank you for both your insights that you bring to the To the fore and your research that you've done, the wonderful, dedicated research.
It's just a massive amount of work, I'm sure, went into that book.
Any parting words?
Let me give each of you a chance.
So since you or either one of you want to start off, James...
Sure.
Yeah, I'll say that there is plenty of wild and fascinating material out there to investigate and, you know, there are new anthropological and archaeological finds, there are the world's oceans and underneath the The continent, there are interesting things to look at, I would assume.
I would just caution people to, you know, just to try not to have the will.
Believe me, I'm a dude who's talking about Atlantis and Lemuria, and, you know, but at the same time, I just think, you know, try to proceed with caution in these endeavors, and that's the way we can meet in the middle and figure these things out.
Hugh and I did Search for the Lost Giants last year.
My brother and I did...
A show for history on the lost colony of Roanoke that he had a couple weeks ago, and hopefully we're constructing another show for next season for history.
And if people are interested, please tune in.
And yeah, if you're interested in the subject, there are millions of accounts to investigate.
We encourage anybody to read it and figure it out for themselves.
Okay.
Just a side note, it looks like my website has been taken down, so I think we're causing some waves out there.
Oh dear.
Okay, that's bad.
A quick thing.
I don't know if it's actually gone or not.
I just flipped over to it died.
Very interesting.
What I would say to people is that please research giants in your local area.
I mean, it's like you can go to your local historical site.
You can check out local legends and stories.
Look through the records.
We are really interested in what people find anywhere in the world.
We want to build up a database of accounts, of research.
It becomes so compelling that It cannot be ignored by academia and I think most importantly don't take it all too seriously because when you're talking about giants come on but to us it is a serious thing and we do want to keep the process going and unlock the secrets because it's part of our heritage and we have to honour that I think that's one of the key things here Okay,
lovely.
Okay, and it does look like my site is back, so whatever.
Anyway, thanks for listening, everyone.
Have a great holiday, and let's revisit this in the future.
I'd love to have you guys back on when you've done some more exploring and you have more to tell us about, so it's an open invitation, really.
Well, thanks very much, Kerry.
Appreciate it.
Cheers.
All right.
Thank you.
Cheers.
All right.
Take care.
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