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Sept. 8, 2015 - Project Camelot
01:41:18
SHANE THE RUINER - ILLUMINATI INSIDER SPEAKS OUT
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Oh hi everyone this is Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot and this is an impromptu interview that we have been planning but still just because of logistics is kind of off the cuff and we are going to be talking to The Ruiner who is a blogger on the internet obviously and I guess we're keeping your identity somewhat,
I guess you might say, muted for the time being, although some people know who you are, right?
Yeah, many people know who I am.
My name is out there.
My name is Shane.
That's all that really matters, I suppose.
Alright, cool enough.
So, at this moment, and just so everyone knows, we're not going to be, you're not going to see Shane tonight, and I'm not sure you're going to see me either.
But at any rate, this will be an audio and it'll go right onto the YouTube and stuff.
And my cat is talking in the background, just so you know.
And for the people that always think that he's hungry, he's not hungry.
He's actually quite fat.
But he loves to get in on the act whenever I'm live.
So he starts up with this thing that he's doing right now.
Yeah.
Anyway.
Okay, so Shane, the reason I'm having you on the show is because of a huge controversy going on and I'm not even sure how to introduce the whole subject.
I did put a link to an article that I wrote and that's kind of how we got in touch.
I had seen your blog While I was doing investigation for this article that I wrote, which is, again, on the front page of Camelot right now for those of you who haven't seen the link and just sort of stumbled on this live broadcast,
it just is an overview, I guess you might say, of some of the information coming through from David Wilcock and Corey Goode and to do with Blue Avians and to do with also just the notion of being told information that you can't verify.
So I was just sort of discoursing on that notion and cautioning people along those lines and I think, you know, there's no reason to badmouth anyone, so that's not what the purpose of this discussion is about.
I really am interested in Shane's background and where he's coming from.
He wrote an interesting kind of commentary on some of the things that were being said a while back.
And being broadcast.
And that drew my attention and I think quite a few others.
So this is a unique opportunity to just talk with you and sort of see where you're at.
You seem to have a background with regard to the Illuminati.
Just for those that don't know, I've just released a very major interview with someone named Cameron Thaley.
And he comes from a family that has been dealing in the financial sector, City of London, on the various highest levels with the Illuminati, basically.
And so everyone should want to see that after you watch this.
But at any rate, Shane, do you want to give yourself some kind of an introduction?
And we can kind of launch from there.
All right.
Well, I had the unfortunate pleasure of being born into one of those bloodline families.
Early on, put into various projects that just kind of sort of bounced me from project to project, trying to find one that would take and nothing really would take.
And so they ended up giving up when I was about 15.
And then from there forward, I was kind of doing something a little bit different where I was still doing some direct work Within the Illuminati structure but for the most part I was being put through a sort of mentor program outside of it with an overview of all the different projects and kind of given the understanding of how they all fit together and a little bit of the structure from the very top down and I think that's about that.
I had got out of doing anything with them when I was about 26 years old.
I'm 34 now.
Up until recently, where I had kind of, as I said in the blog, worked alongside of them for a specific project.
And other than that, I stay in touch with a lot of people who have defected from various programs and projects and cults, as well as some people who are still unfortunately involved with it all.
Okay.
Now, I'm not sure what order to do all of this, but there is a specific story that you told me initially that grabbed my interest once we got a chance to talk, and it had to do with waking up giants in these mounds.
I thought of it in terms of America, but perhaps it's in other places around the world as well.
Do you want to launch into that now?
We can do whatever you'd like.
Okay.
That is the most recent project that I said I had kind of involved myself with.
Always been a fascination of mine.
And so when I was kind of asked to come assist with just the dialogue between us and them, so to speak, I kind of jumped at the opportunity despite not wanting to rub shoulders with the people I would have to rub shoulders with.
I felt somehow intuitively that it was important that I put that aside and do so anyway, so...
I had.
So we went to a few different sites where basically the technology that was keeping the beings in stasis was failing, and so they were waking up kind of impromptu, or when they shouldn't have been.
And this was cause for concern for what should be obvious reasons.
I mean, we don't need giants running around on the surface of the planet right now.
Yeah, that's kind of what I had been involved with, just the The communication process between us and them.
Okay, well, you know, there's a million questions here that would come to mind to anyone listening to this.
First of all, I can say, when you refer to them as giants, I'm not completely convinced that that's indeed what they are.
I got the impression, and correct me if I'm wrong, that we're talking about, say, 9 to 12 foot beings.
Or are we talking about the actual giants that were, I don't know, something like 24 feet tall or something crazy?
The first one that I had gone to visit was 24 feet tall, actually, so that size.
And they even call themselves giants, so that's kind of the word that we use for them.
You're not talking about Anunnaki.
No.
You're talking about the actual giants that were created.
Yes.
They kind of gave me different history.
There was three different types that I personally encountered.
When I say three different types, I'm talking like physical types.
The first one was very, very large, and that was the 20 foot tall one.
And then the second occasion, they were quite a bit shorter, like closer to the 12 to 14 foot height.
But they were very muscular, like bulky, very squared off, large.
And then the last one was also about 22, I believe, was the final measurement on him, 22 feet tall.
And he was very lanky and very different looking.
Through the communication process, I understood that the first two that we had encountered were of the same race, so to speak.
But almost like different breeds within the same race.
And then the third one was a different race altogether.
Okay, and...
So as opposed to different ET types, which are also very tall, you know, like the 9 to 14 foot ballpark, what they're, I guess, classifying themselves as giants for has more to do with just their race and where they originate from.
Okay.
Now, I was told by an insider quite a while ago that the giants were actually created by, genetically engineered, or, you know, whatever, by a certain line of the Anunnaki through a genetic experimentation process.
Here on planet Earth during a certain period of time.
And then the David and Goliath story was based on that it wasn't a singular incident, that it was a sort of, I guess, I don't know, an extrapolated metaphor or whatever for the demise of the giants, that ultimately they became...
Well, difficult to deal with and also that they decided to get rid of the race altogether.
Is this your understanding or do you have a different perception of their history?
As far as where they come from, I have a different understanding.
Where it ends up there with humans, so to speak, and various other races that were kind of involved with Earth at the time deciding that It was best for them not to be here and more or less hunting them.
That definitely did happen.
But as far as where they've come from, my understanding from talking with them was that they didn't come from this planet, that they came from a nearby planet a long time ago and had migrated here, kind of almost like coming here as a refugee during earlier cataclysm.
Okay.
But you are talking about some different races within even the category we're talking about.
Absolutely, and even with the three that I would have encountered, that doesn't necessarily mean that that encompasses all of the different giants that our planet has dealt with, right?
So it could be a matter of a different species or different race.
Okay, so the guy who was talking to me could have been talking to us about a certain group.
Is that possible?
Yes, that's more or less what I think is very possible.
Based on only the three different types, I feel that there has to be more.
Okay, then can you talk about, you know, because I know that some people have sort of, strangely, it's interesting, because I connected with you, then you told me about this story.
I kind of thought that was, it wasn't out there.
And then I heard other people, not going to name many names here, going out with that story as if that was something part of their experience.
When it really sounded quite unique to you in at least what I've come across in this idea of going into the cave and waking and sitting with the giant, waking them up.
Can you describe on, you know, what your personal interaction was, the process by which you, you know, would go through this and what would happen?
With...
Being involved with it in the first place, is that what you mean?
Yeah, when like say you were, I mean, I understand that you began to be a communicator.
How did that happen?
And then also, what happened when you were on call in any given case?
Well, communicating is something that I used to do within the structure all along.
I used to mediate meetings Deal with different races as they came across them, stuff like that.
So it was always something that I was known to be strong at.
And so I was kind of reached out to and asked if I would be interested in helping them with this.
I also have, as well as the human contingent dealing with this matter, there was an extraterrestrial group that was also dealing with the matter with the humans.
And I happen to be friends with that.
Extraterrestrial group so it was kind of a joint, hey can you help us out with this particular instance and that was last winter I suppose a little bit before Christmas and so I was kind of asked to do that and agreed to do that and the first instance was kind of over with and then after that I really didn't want to do it again but very quickly afterwards there was a secondary instance so they I'd asked me and kind
of made me feel like there was no one else to do it.
And so I did it.
And after that, I had kind of asked to not have to do it anymore.
Like I could teach other people kind of the process that I'm applying in order to speak with these things.
And they could do it themselves.
And so I had begun training a couple people and that did not work out.
And I went into a little bit more detail on my blog as far as it not working out.
But I'll just leave it as it didn't work out.
And then after that, I kind of altogether just kind of quit.
I asked them not to contact me if that was the case.
And ever since I started writing the blog, it's kind of not been an issue.
So I'm not sure if that totally answers your question.
Okay, well...
When you say you were used to doing the communications on the one hand, and then you actually say that you, it kind of sounds like you didn't really enjoy it.
So what was their dynamics that brought you onto the scene?
Like even just logistically, like you're called up on the phone, you're asked to help, or how does it happen?
And then are you, you know, do you take a plane to this mound kind of place?
Do they let you in?
I mean, what is the circumstances?
Why didn't you want to continue?
I was asked to do it by the the friend side first and I was kind of considering it when the not friend side contacted me as well and when they contacted me it was just a matter of pulling over on the street and talking to me about it and so I decided to do it and from that point it was just a matter of getting in a car driving to a location Going into our underground network which I'm sure most people are familiar with at this point that you know there's a lot going on underground and insiders
so to speak have access to all kinds of transportation options underground so that's what we did was travel through one of those means of transportation from point A to point B which point B being the mound first one was here in Canada about a different part of Canada so it was a still a bit of a jaunt and then Do you want me to describe the location as well?
Yeah, whatever comes to mind in terms of the interaction.
In other words, think of yourself as painting a picture for people.
Okay, I'll stick to the first kind of interaction.
So you show up and most people know what a typical mound will look like.
It basically just looks like a big hill.
They're generally left alone for What are typically unknown reasons, but we can all guess that there's things in them and that's why they're left alone.
So basically they had to open up a hole in the side of one of them so that people could come and go.
And when we went inside, obviously people had been inside before I even arrived there, but when I went inside, the pod was there in the middle of kind of like a dugout room.
And...
Sorry.
And...
The being inside of it was basically, you could tell that it was alive, but still very much asleep.
I was with a few other people, people who also were telekinetically strong and could potentially communicate with them, people who were more there for the diagnostic side of things, monitoring the machinery and technology involved.
And then some, you know, force or military type backup as well.
So it was a matter of waiting for a little while until everything kind of shut off and it started to wake up.
And then once it started to wake up, it was just a matter of communicating with it.
And what I was doing initially was both speaking to it in a very kind of soft and a little bit melodic voice while sending it a telepathic message that I'm, you know, here to help and Giving it some other imagery that would allow it to know who I was.
From there, it was a long conversation where we had kind of cleared out most of the personnel and just dialogued him and I. And then I went home, more or less.
Why I don't like being involved in stuff like this is just not having to...
Rub shoulders with the people involved.
I don't like dealing with secretive stuff.
I like to be kind of open and honest about things for the most part.
And I've had my fill of dealing with that world.
So other than the fascination I had with the topic, I guess, or giants in general, I didn't really want to do it for that reason.
Okay.
Now, you mentioned that you would do it with other people that were telekinetically inclined, but they weren't...
I mean, telekinesis is moving...
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Objects...
I would have just misspoken telepathically inclined.
Okay.
So that needs to be the strong suit, right?
In order to deal with the beings.
Yes, because generally there's a language barrier and...
When you're dealing with, you know, telepathic communication, you're kind of transcending a language barrier in a sense because you can send each other imagery and kind of feelings and thoughts as opposed to just words.
Okay.
Would you say that...
I hope you don't mind if I say you're a musician.
I understand you're a musician.
Is that right?
Yeah, that's fine.
Do you think that that perhaps helps your ability in this area?
Possibly, or maybe my ability in that area helps music.
It's hard to say, but yeah, I imagine that they are very joined.
There's an interaction there.
Definitely.
Those two skills.
Definitely, there is.
Okay.
You know...
A lot of people will wonder, why did you come forward?
Like, why did you write your blog?
Why have you even come forward to do an interview with me, for example?
Well, the blog started for a bunch of people that I know who have been through programs and stuff and had asked me to.
I go into pretty good detail on that in the blog as well.
More or less, because of the overview that I had, a lot of people that I've met along the way, once they kind of got out of things, had asked me to make sense of things for them.
Because everyone has, due to all the compartmentalization, everyone has a different version of the story.
And they felt that the overview that I had would help them make sense of it all.
So it started off with kind of an email network where I was emailing people and answering questions that way.
And it just got to be overwhelming.
So I was looking for different ways of doing it.
And someone had suggested just doing an anonymous blog and keeping it really low key and making it very simple.
So that's kind of what I had done.
And it probably would have stayed that way if it wasn't for one in particular blog that caught the intention of the alternative community and made it a little bit more popular from there.
But that was the reason why I had come forward, so to speak.
It wasn't to come forward to someone like yourself or the audience listening to this.
It was more for a bunch of people who grew up within that system and don't like it and are happy to be out.
Okay.
You know, one thing that's going to interest you in my interview with Cameron is that he actually is talking about what the purpose of those giants is and why they are actually waking up right now.
Interestingly enough, I wonder if you might tell me what you think the purpose is.
And I certainly hope that you'll listen to the interview with Cameron and see what he was saying about it.
And I'd like to see if the two sort of ideas of what's going on there are the same or different.
Well, the purpose was just to kind of give us a general hand during a time of transition.
Things were kind of expected to go differently and didn't go the way that they had planned.
What their actual purpose will be, I'm not actually, that's not something that we had covered when we spoke, and I'm not actually sure what their purpose will be or should become now yet anyways.
I have a feeling that I'm going to find out sooner than later, but...
I don't know that answer right now.
So I'd be interested to hear what he says as well.
Yeah, I mean, you're not that far off from kind of what he's talking about, although he did put it in a bit different terms.
One thing I asked him, and I guess I'll ask you the same question, I asked him whether or not these beings, once they were sort of awake, Would be allowed to, or would be actually working on the dark side, so to speak, or would be working on the more positive side of things?
Do you have an answer to that?
I would say the more positive side of things.
Even the more angry type didn't seem to like the dark side of things very much and seem to be very upset with them.
So my interactions with them led me to believe that they I wouldn't say are here to help humanity, but they're not enemies of humanity and aren't a fan of what the dark side has done with the planet over the time they've been asleep.
But, well, correct me again if I'm wrong, but if...
Maybe I misunderstood, but I kind of thought that it was actually the Illuminati that were keeping them secret, keeping them in their state, and also they were the ones that were aware that they were awakened and therefore called on you.
Well, they were.
It's just it's...
Yeah, they don't...
The Illuminati may believe that it's a negative...
Entity that, uh, these things could wake up and be working for the dark side.
I'm saying that based on my interaction with them directly, that's not what they've presented to me.
Um, I'm very well aware that that is the common Illuminati belief.
In fact, I mentioned in the blog that there's certain areas on the planet where they give them sacrifices because they believe that that's what these sleeping giants want is, um, like, let's say blood sacrifices or different type of negative energy sacrifices.
Um, But they're, based on what I've learned from the Giants themselves, that's an incorrect notion.
And also what I know of the Illuminati structure.
It's another part of the compartmentalization, another thing, dangling carrot, as I call it, something that they get them to do in order for a different purpose and tell them it's for a specific purpose.
Okay.
When you form a relationship with them, at least in the short term that you're there, you're sort of acting as sort of, I guess, a gentle awakening, transitional kind of person.
Do you form a relationship with them?
Because obviously you establish a telepathic bond.
It's not out of the question to assume that you might continue that relationship Telepathy, if you wanted to, beyond the initial encounter.
This is true.
When I said not yet earlier, I do kind of plan on re-engaging one of them at some point.
I haven't really since then, but it is something that I am capable of and would do.
One thing that I kind of do for myself is I like to Even with a telepathic communication, I would prefer to be in a physical vicinity with someone in order to trust what I'm getting back and not leave as much room for manipulation of things.
So I would prefer to be in the presence of someone rather than keeping a telepathic communication open.
Actually, what does...
I mean, that kind of leads one to think, where are these beings taken once they are awakened?
I would think that they don't remain in those mound places.
No, they don't.
They were taken back off-world.
They were taken to another planet where others like them live, and that's where they will stay for now anyways.
There was some talk about them coming here at some point, but I don't I don't have enough details on all of that to really speak for it.
Okay.
Are you aware of others doing the kind of job you do?
I would imagine by now that, yeah, I've been replaced since I refused, and they're probably doing something similar.
As far as I know, based on my contact with the ET contingent involved, There hasn't been any cases like that where the pods, so to speak, have failed and therefore they've been waking them up that way.
But what I'm also hearing is that they're deliberately attempting to wake some up in order to essentially weaponize them or just get them pissed off enough that they could potentially weaponize them, which was one of the original purposes as well, was to potentially weaponize them one day.
Okay.
You know, it's very complex.
Obviously, you're talking about at least three different beings that you had interaction with.
Is this correct?
Yep.
Okay.
And you say that two of them came from one race or one sort of genetic line, but they were distinctly different in certain ways.
If I understand.
And then the third one seemed quite different.
In other words, seemed like a completely maybe different genetic line.
Yes.
And in observing them, what did you have to say?
What do you have to say about their physicality?
How they look?
Are they male or female?
That sort of thing.
The first one was definitely male, and the facial features are very similar to the Easter Island statues.
The kind of humanoid, but very oversized everything.
The nose is bigger than a human nosey.
Eyeballs are bigger than human eyeballs.
Everything's kind of oversized a little bit, but otherwise it just looked like a giant, very fit humanoid.
The other ones were, I call it kind of Likens them to the Incredible Hulk, how they were kind of squared off and more muscular with very like squarish heads and not quite as tall, but very dense and thick, like big.
And then the third one was again, very tall again, but lanky and almost like a pointy feature to everything, like its ears were pointed, its nose was pointed, its jaw was pointed, kind of clumsy almost in its behaviors and very brutish.
In trying to converse with it, it didn't seem very intelligent, kind of seemed very much like...
I'm sure there's some wisdom in there, but just didn't seem like it was very friendly, let's put it that way.
Well, it almost sounds like a clone, the last one.
I guess that's possible, but definitely the mannerisms would fit something like a clone, but based on what I got from it, I don't personally believe that it was a clone.
Okay.
Okay.
Is there anything else that you want to tell us about that before I kind of move on to another subject?
Not particularly.
I did write a second blog about that before I finished the blog there.
I'm not sure if you had read the second one or not, but I think it's just called Sleeping Giants, and it kind of goes into a little bit more detail as far as what I had got from them in terms of where they came from and how the races developed and how they ended up here, so...
I would encourage anyone listening to read that.
All right.
Yeah, maybe I didn't see it.
I'm not sure.
Okay, so...
I want to address this sort of blue avian question because when we talked, you mentioned that there was an initial, I think it was a woman or something, at least that you were aware of, who had come forward with a story related to blue avians.
But there had also been some sort of, I don't know what you would call it, This implantation of this idea or a meme to do with blue avians into the population by the Illuminati or some faction of the Illuminati.
This is what I recall that you mentioned.
And that then it was picked up well later by Corey Goode and I guess subsequently by David Wilcox Based on Corey's experiences, as I understand it, although maybe David has his own experiences, I don't know, since then.
What can you say about the Blue Avians?
There was some also conflicting information saying that you had believed, so-called believed in them.
I'm not sure that that's the right way of terming it, but initially, and that eventually you were saying they were, you know, That the information wasn't correct.
How can you, can you kind of like characterize that information train?
Yeah, kind of from my own perspective.
I had been involved with talking with both of those men, and I had heard that come back, the Blue Avian kind of story, if you will.
And the problem was that I had already heard it and I had heard it from people who were not connected to them at all and knew it to be a test of basically what they would call like a channel broadcast.
Kind of how they would deliberately manipulate a channel but something that kind of goes out like a broadcast signal and would get picked up by kind of anyone who was tuned to it so to speak.
And so part of the intended audience that I wrote the blog for were Were people who had picked up on that and kind of immediately kind of went, okay, this wasn't real.
What was this all about?
And it was just after that that I had heard it come through Corey Good and David Wilcock.
And it is very true that I did say that I had met with the Blue Avians and did play along that I believed in the Blue Avians when I was talking with Corey.
I was trying to determine for myself whether or not he was telling the truth.
It's kind of just a personal mission that...
I needed to kind of figure out for myself whether or not I could believe what he was saying.
And as it progressed and I heard him say more things, that's when I kind of realized that it wasn't.
And I kind of started writing the blog before all of that, actually, and then wrote a blog on that.
And I've already explained how when I wrote the blog and put it up, it wasn't meant for the public to read.
So I didn't really intend it to ever be something that would go against Corey.
It was for the intended audience to kind of understand what these other people had experienced.
Unfortunately, it did get read by everybody and kind of became this thing where I was trying to discredit Corey and David, which was never my intention.
I wish them both all the best.
They can do whatever they would like.
But I'm not going to back off of what I said on the blog, even though I fully admit that I did lie to them both and played along as if I had I met with the blue avian when in fact what I meant was I met with the programmer who put that program forward.
Where some confusion comes in is there is an avian race and there's a kind of a group of those avians that do have bluish feathers and some people would identify those if they were in contact with them as blue avians.
But the way that this story has kind of come through is very much fitting to that program that I had heard from Several others prior to hearing it from them.
Okay.
What about Toth, or Toth, or however you want to say his name?
This notion that the blue avians are related to actually, well, what they call, some people call the geese intelligences.
Other people would say are, you know, Ra, Toth, the so-called, I don't know, whatever you want to call them, that group.
Do you have any thoughts on that?
In terms with that particular narrative, no, I don't believe that they're connected.
The actual avian race is obviously connected to Toph and other things throughout Egyptian history, but I don't think there's any actual connection there.
I think that a lot of people are drawing a connection where none actually exists.
But that's just opinion.
She has to believe whatever they would like.
But you are...
In other words, you are saying that the actual avian race that people do refer to or could refer to as having interactions with could be related to Toth and that group.
Yep, and others.
Amon Ra is another one that is definitely avian and causes a lot of trouble for certain people.
And that's when people...
If there was a race that was close to Blue Avian, in my experience, they would come from Amun-Ra and his flock, as we call them.
But other than that, I think it's just people jumping on the name of Blue Avian and using it to fit with other races.
Okay.
Let's see.
In terms of your own experiences in the Illuminati, do you want to talk about some of that?
I mean, in other words, I guess the first thing I want to ask you is that, are you in some kind of danger because you're doing a broadcast such as this?
No.
I'm sure it would upset some people, but I don't believe that I'm in any kind of physical danger.
I had a couple rules put in place a long time ago, which was just not to name specific locations or specific names, and even that is not a rule that I have to adhere to anymore, but because I made the promise, my own integrity makes it so that I just don't do those two things.
I also find them a little bit unnecessary a lot of the time.
If I ever felt like it was really important to name a location or name, then I would do so, but for the most part, it's not really that important, so I just don't.
Other than that, there's no real stipulations between what I do and say and what they're doing.
We've kind of reached a point with them where that structure that they put together so long ago is all falling apart and they're trying to rebuild it as it falls apart.
So a lot of different people would be a lot more free to speak because a lot of things are just crumbling.
It quite honestly doesn't matter anymore.
My specific instance or circumstances are a little bit different because of the general overview that I had.
It's offered me a little bit of respect within these things, so I don't have to worry as much.
And also the fact that I'm not a credible whistleblower.
I mean, there's some pretty funny videos of me doing some ridiculous things online that people will find when they start digging up, and it makes it very easy to discredit me.
No, I'm not.
I don't feel like I'm in any kind of danger.
Okay.
I've received some verbal, you know, anger.
I've received some, you know, astral attacks, stuff like that, but nothing that I can't handle and nothing that I'm...
I would really...
I feel like it's more just people lashing out because they're discovering some things that they didn't know and don't like it.
Okay.
Um...
Do you want to talk at all about your childhood growing up, I assume, an Illuminati family, what your experiences were, that sort of thing?
Not particularly.
I mean, if you'd like to ask me questions, sure, but it's not something that I just recite from memory just to do so.
None of it was very good.
We've heard the stories all before.
Thankfully, I didn't ever have to engage in doing anything to anyone that I regret, and that if I ever harmed anyone I would regret it, just to qualify that.
So thankfully I never ended up getting to that point where a lot of other people do, and that's a different kind of trauma that they need to heal.
But I witnessed a lot and was forced to go through a lot myself.
But other than that, the specifics don't necessarily matter.
We've heard them all before.
Okay, well, in terms of your own experience, for example, did you or do you think that you got some of your abilities to deal with these giants from your parents?
Or were you unique?
Or did you have siblings that had similar characteristics?
I would say it was more unique.
It's a soul connection more than the physical connection or anything that I've learned in this life.
I kind of came in with, let's just say, my identity in check.
I knew who I was and it made it very easy.
It was more like I already knew these things and just it was confirming it for me along the way.
It made it a little different for me.
Someone once asked me about being trained in magic and I said I didn't necessarily train in magic.
I knew how to do magic.
I just had to train different methods of doing magic so that I could understand different methods of doing magic.
And that would be true for pretty much everything.
I think that they obviously would have the training and support and what I call encouragement from them would have been nurturing to abilities that were already there.
Okay.
In terms of your parents and your family name, is it, I don't know, are your parents deep in the Illuminati on some level or, you know, can you talk about any of that?
I mean, you don't have to obviously reveal their name or anything, but you know what I'm asking?
Yeah, no, my parents are not.
It was more something that was picked up from Other family besides my parents, identifying me specifically.
My brothers didn't go through anything either.
So no, it wasn't my parents at all, or my immediate family.
The way a lot of these families work is you'll have, like, let's just say a man has three daughters.
One of the daughters will have children that are all kind of part of the programs and the other two daughters may not.
Helps with compartmentalization and Also just the plausible deniability factors that are required or need to be inserted.
That's not true straight across the board, but certain families kind of work that way, where they'll isolate one child from each string of children and use them.
So was this, was your experience in the, it sounds as though your experience in the Illuminati was sort of overt.
It wasn't like covert and, you know, kind of Only in the astral or only, you know, in dreams or sort of abductions where you didn't remember anything.
It sounds almost like yours was more sort of in your face and in everyday kind of interaction.
I would go to camp during the summer months when I wasn't in regular public school.
It was kind of like living a dual life all the time where I would have to play the normal kid and then play this This other kid when I was away from that.
The astral stuff, obviously, I think we all deal with more than we even are conscious of, so obviously that was a factor, but a lot of it was very physical in this three-dimensional world.
Okay, and when you say play that other kid, what do you mean, what was the other kid like?
I mean, can you describe it?
Personality-wise, it's not like an alter ego.
It's really just like having one group of friends that you talk about one set of topics and another group of friends that you don't talk about those topics with and you talk about sports with.
That was more or less it when I was around regular people.
I knew how to talk about the popular TV shows and the popular movies and everything like that.
But then when I was around the Illuminati structure, I understood the metaphysics and the The black projects and everything else involved with it.
That's what I mean by playing that other kid.
It's kind of like being a performer.
Even myself as a musician, getting up on stage, it's kind of like playing a role.
Right, but being a musician maybe was also Not in the plan, so to speak.
So you did describe the fact that they tried a number of programs with you or something like that and it didn't work.
Can you talk about that more?
What kind of programs they tried on you and what didn't work and why you didn't fit in?
Like, as an example, they would run you through something like MKUltra, which we're all familiar with, and those different processes wouldn't work, so they would move me into something that was a little bit more invasive, and then that wouldn't work.
And then from there, it was kind of, well, let's put him in...
Just arbitrarily throwing these out here like a cloning program and see how he works out there.
Oh, he doesn't work out there.
Okay, well, then let's put him in an underwater research program.
See how he works out there.
Oh, he doesn't work out there.
Okay, let's put him in Project X. And oh, he's not working out there either.
And that's what I mean by bounced around between programs.
A lot of the conditioning, imprinting, memory erasing, all of that kind of stuff just wouldn't work.
And so they had to keep trying to figure out other ways to keep me contained.
And eventually because I kind of wanted to get out on my own and was willing to keep my mouth shut on my own, the reason why I went to music was I'm at liberty to say whatever I want through fiction and music is a form of fiction so I could write into my lyrics, you know, any experiences that I wanted to and never get in trouble for it.
So that's kind of why I turned towards music when I was probably about 16, 17.
Okay.
Have you been successful with music?
Sorry?
No.
No, I have not.
No.
Oh.
Okay.
On a personal level, are you happy with it as a chosen career?
Oh, for sure.
It's a creative outlet and helps me process a lot, so of course I'm happy with it.
It would be nice to be able to get paid to do that, obviously, but other than that, I have no dreams of being famous either, so it is what it is, and it's a lot of fun, and it's good for me, so yeah, I enjoy it.
Okay.
Do you think that your brain was wiped, memories wiped, that sort of thing?
No.
I have memories that exceed this physical lifetime, so I'm quite sure that that's not a circumstance I have to deal with.
Okay, so you have good recall of what went on, even though you might have had trauma.
Yep.
That was one of the things that the trauma couldn't even make me physically black out, the pain I would stay conscious through.
I'm sure most people know how the MKUltra program works, of breaking that honeycomb and creating things that way.
There was no way to push me that far.
It comes from something within my soul, I'm sure, but I guess it's not unique, but very rare.
Okay.
Did you have something to do with arts, paintings at some point?
No, I've never really been very visually artistic.
I can't draw or paint very well.
Actually, that's not what I meant.
I meant in terms of what you might have been used for or you might have interacted with.
In terms of the art world, do you know what I mean by the art world?
I mean, you know...
Like coding into pictures and stuff like that?
The high-end art world.
Sale of paintings and...
Oh, no.
Art objects and things of that nature.
No.
No thoughts of that?
No.
Okay.
Alright, well, is there anything in terms of, you know, I think that, you know, I'm not, I don't think it's really necessary to make you run through, you know, torture or things of that nature, but could you, in sort of general terms, You know, acknowledge that.
Did you experience physical torture and also did you witness torture and killings, things of that nature?
Yeah, very much so.
As part of my training later on, I had to be present at every different type of ritual and the majority of rituals involve some kind of sacrifice, whether it's rape or torture or murder.
So I've seen plenty of that.
I still have a kind of block against blonde females because of how many blonde females I've seen tortured, which I like to joke about.
Just in a romantic sense, I don't like blonde women.
But yeah, I've seen more than I would like to have ever seen.
Okay.
What about children?
Yes, very much so.
Especially when I was younger.
There was a lot of, you know, we're seeing a lot of it in the news these days.
Right.
Obviously, that's just the tip of the iceberg.
So there are things that you were aware of and you were part of.
Did you rebel?
Did you try to run away?
That sort of thing.
Yep.
It was when I was 19 that I had actually gone as far as to attempt or consider attempting suicide.
I had rebelled so hard by the time I was 15 that they had kind of pulled me out of any of the programs and put me into that more of a mentorship.
And then eventually, by the time I was 26, I had rebelled enough so that they were willing to let me go with the minor agreement.
It's never been something that I was a full member of because I was always reluctant to do what I was doing and anything that I had to do training-wise was done by force.
It was never something that I was doing because I wanted to do.
And I didn't perform any of the missions I was supposed to.
That's where the name Ruiner comes from.
I would ruin anything that they did try and put me in.
Uh-huh.
Okay.
In terms of, you know, you joined, if I understand it correctly, you joined Avalon, the Avalon Forum.
Yep.
And what was your intention in joining that?
What were you kind of looking to do?
Originally, it was when I first kind of got out, I kind of started working with the white side or the white hat side of things.
A lot of what I didn't really do much with them, it was kind of a Just something I was trying out.
And one of the things that they had asked me to do was to join Project Avalon and kind of observe and report back to them what I thought about the alternative community and whatnot.
And so I did that.
And everything that they do is very benign.
Like, it's all just observation and recording.
They don't actually do anything.
You mean the people you were working for?
Yeah, exactly.
The people I was working with don't, you know, they don't intervene in any way.
Like, I wasn't there to...
You know, identify anyone specifically.
I was just more or less looking at the dynamic of the whole forum idea and that kind of what we know now as the alternative community and the alternative media movement.
So it was still kind of young at the time, right?
So I was asked a second time to do so again.
More directed to right around the time that You and Bill Ryan had kind of gone different ways.
It was right around that time they had asked me to watch that dynamic play out as well and see how people reacted to it.
Okay.
So in terms of what you're doing now, some people might say, well, and I guess there are certain people saying things about you that Make you seem a bit diabolical and that you might have a double, I guess, mission.
And you're still, that you've also said to, I think it was David Wilcock told me, that you'd also told him that you were still working for them, so to speak.
The involvement that I've had with them, I was very direct and open about on the blog and even in this interview.
I've told you exactly what that all involved and that's it.
I still interact with The beings that I've called the parents and some of the elders and whatnot, but it's not a working for them in any way type of thing.
What I'm doing, what I did for the blog was done for that intended audience and it ran its course.
At this point now, it seems that some of the people who read that blog that weren't part of that intended audience would like to hear me speak a little bit more, so I've been considering ways to do that.
But I definitely am There's no agenda here that's anything other than doing what I've been asked to do by yourself asking me to come on this interview, as an example.
I did it because you asked, not because anyone wants me to.
So anything I do from here forward is just because I want to do it, because I feel like I can do a good job of it.
And when I say a good job, I mean for humanity, not for anyone If anyone else ever tried to come along and ask me to do something, I have a very good response for that, which is walking the opposite direction.
At this time, would you say that there is a great deal of disinfo floating around in the alternative community, and do you have any advice to the people out there that are trying to discern the truth in a genuine way?
Any thoughts on what you might say to them?
At the end of the day, we all know the truth, so there's going to be A feeling of remembering information as opposed to learning.
That should be kind of, when people talk about a discernment filter, that should be it.
Obviously, the intuition, everything else, the resonating with different information, those are all important indicators.
But at the end of the day, if it doesn't feel like remembering, I would say that you're probably not, you don't need it.
My own kind of approach to anything from Throughout my whole life has always been to take in everything I can.
Doesn't matter whether it's known disinfo or the person is known to be lying to me, just I'll read it anyways.
And all that information, it can't hurt unless you make a belief system out of it.
So just avoid making a belief system out of the various informations.
But to answer the general question, yes, there's a lot of disinfo out there.
A lot of the, you know, channeling that's been done over the last 20-50 years is very corrupt.
A lot of the people who have come forward are also quite corrupt and not always intentionally.
So I'm not trying to put anyone down, but you do have to be careful with what you're believing.
Listen to everything, but just don't build beliefs out of it.
Just consider the concepts.
And if the details and the And the names and the locations and all of these things aren't matching up, then that's okay.
Whatever you're taking from the concept behind all of the different stories is what's important, so move forward with that.
And I think at one point you also talked about the raw material and that you felt that this was something that the Illuminati was putting out on a certain frequency.
Do you want to elaborate on that?
Like any kind of material that they would deliberately give their members to read, it has to be disinformation in order to keep compartmentalization in place.
So, you know, Morals and Dogma is a good example for Freemasonry, and Law of One would be another good example for some of the more deep black projects.
With that particular book, there's obviously a lot of things like a lot of concepts that are very real and very true.
But it also kind of directs someone to, not everyone, but it directs the majority of people into a kind of belief system that is not healthy for them.
So it would be my hope that, you know, hearing any insider come forward and say, this is the material that we were given.
That anyone hearing that would understand that it is a form of mind control.
And it may be a looser form of mind control than the public gets, but it is still a form of mind control and should be looked at carefully.
Okay.
Have you been watching the Camelot interviews over the years?
I watched a few when I was first asked to kind of take a look.
I don't watch all of them.
Some friends recommend the occasional one and I'll watch it, but I definitely haven't been following them and watching them, no.
Okay.
Do you do further investigations and have you, you know, I mean, for example, have you been offered, I don't know, you know, a trip in a wormhole or, you know, portal to go to Mars or other planets, that sort of thing?
Have you Done any traveling like that?
I did when I was younger, yes.
Ever since I kind of started or got myself out of it, I haven't done too much of that unless it's really important, but it's not...
I don't know.
Yes, that's the best answer.
Yes, I have.
Okay, and Like the rest of the questions, so did you, you know...
Do you feel like...
Did you have a familiarity with, for example, you know, the sort of secret space program and black projects beyond your own sort of specific things that they tried to push you into?
Did you have...
Any exposure to, you say you have a mentor, were you educated in general, or were there people, even whistleblower types, that might have approached you with stories, etc.?
While I was doing the mentorship, that's exactly what I did, was I would go from various programs, kind of getting the overview of everything that was going on, so in that way I interacted with Pretty much everything I've heard in the public and then a lot of other things I haven't heard mentioned in the public.
So do you feel you have a pretty comprehensive view of what's really going on with regard to the secret space program, off-planet stuff, ETs and what they're really doing?
I do.
I don't feel that I know everything about everything in that regard either.
I think that there's just far too much going on.
But it was kind of the intention of the mentorship that I do have as much of that information as possible.
Even some of the people that I remain in contact with are the type of people who would have as much of that information as possible, which always has to be taken with a grain of salt, of course, but does make me feel like I have a pretty comprehensive view of Maybe not every small thing that's going on, but how it all interacts with each other and why it all matters to us today.
Okay.
And do you feel that perhaps you're still being guided or trained or whatever for a future mission?
No.
I think that I've kind of fallen into what I've wanted to do All along, which is kind of use the experience that I gathered through all of this negativity in a positive way, which would be to inspire other people to realize that they're more powerful than all of these things.
And if I could overcome it, so could many other people who don't.
They just need to believe that they can.
I don't think that...
I have any kind of future mission or anything like that other than perhaps being a form of inspiration through being able to tell the stories that I've experienced and share the wisdom that I've gotten through all of that.
Is there any chance that you're not aware of a mission that you might be being groomed for?
I don't like to rule out anything and say absolutely not, but I definitely do not think so.
I have a lot of friends around who I think would notice if there was anything off about me.
I have some friends who are probably listening right now, who I've met through the forums actually, who keep every conversation we've ever had and wait for me to change my story.
Not in a malicious way.
I'm just saying, wait for me to change my story.
They just like to keep the conversations.
I've remained quite consistent.
If I ever felt like I was varying from my own experiences, which I've documented really well myself, then I would start to question that.
But everything's been very clear for me throughout my entire lifetime.
And until I feel like there's something missing...
Then I don't really feel the need to question that too strongly.
So what about what's going on in the future here on planet Earth?
Have you been educated about what might happen or do you think you've tapped into information about what might go on?
Are you looking at things like Planet X? There's a lot of That and the financial system, etc., etc.
Do you look at the future at all and think about those things?
And do you have any thoughts?
Are you able to talk about that?
Do you have any knowledge that you were given?
Well, there's many different kind of views on what is going to happen and how things will play out.
The way that I've kind of understood it after gaining all of these different views is that these are all just various potentials, various things that could happen.
I don't think that any of it is set in stone yet.
I think that this all comes down to choices that we're making through a time of transition that we're in right now.
So I think that, you know, I could tell you one story of what, you know, this particular race thinks is going to happen, but that's different than what the Illuminati think are going to happen, and that's different than what the Secret Space Program thinks are going to happen, or, you know, the military-industrial complex thinks is going to happen.
The commonality that I see between all of it is just a change, that something within us at a metaphysical as well as a physical level is about to change in a dramatic fashion.
Okay, when you say this race, you were saying you could tell me what this particular race might think.
What race are you referring to?
Could be multiple different races, but I mean, if you wanted the Draconian perspective, I could give you that, or the blonde E.T. that I'm most familiar with, you know, what Pleiadians say, what Samandrobin would say, some, you know, I've multiple contacts and heard this,
different versions of what could and might happen, what we're kind of witnessing with, because this is something that's happening all across the universe right now, so it's actually kind of gone through its full spin in other places, and And everything has been very dramatic in terms of almost like a spark of evolution everywhere.
And so I believe that that's what we're going to see as well, is a dramatic kind of spark in our own evolution, maybe balancing some of the things that are out of balance within us.
And people will say, like, activating DNA. I would say correcting certain contradictions within our DNA. Things like this happening more than You know, the planet being ripped in half and the poles flipping or anything like that.
Okay.
I have actually a way for people to ask questions.
But I'm not sure how to do it.
So if there is somebody who is seeing questions that are associated with this conversation we're having, we do have a fairly large audience at this point.
For something that started out just an hour ago, it's not bad.
I'm wondering...
I know they can do chats along with this, and they can put questions places.
So let me see if I'm...
Okay, if people are listening and want to ask questions, then go ahead.
So it says, ask your audience to submit questions and they will appear below.
That's a good one.
So, I don't know if people are writing questions, but they're supposed to appear on my screen.
If anyone knows this Google Hangouts better than I do, which is, you know, I'm still trying to make my way through it.
It's kind of crazy, as far as the system goes.
So, Let me know what questions you see or put your questions in the chat if you can figure out how to do that.
Sorry to be so dumb about this, but I have a button here that says Q&A, so I did allow for questions.
I know I did, but I don't actually see them, so I'm not sure how to remedy that situation.
You know, it would be nice for people to ask you a few questions before we sort of wind this down, Shane.
If there's anything that you might like to talk about that I haven't asked you, for example, feel free.
I don't really know.
I'm used to being asked questions, so it's hard for me to offer up something to speak about.
Okay.
Yeah, I mean, I'm sort of trying to...
I'm going to open a web page and see if I can figure out if they responded with questions on that page or something like that.
I will just say that a lot of people kind of been asking me for a kind of an update on the structure end of things in terms of the parents and stuff and I do plan on giving one of those fairly soon.
So I just need to make sure that I know what I'm saying before I say things.
I don't like to speak off the cuff or just from my own opinion.
I like to make sure that I know what I'm talking about before I tell anyone.
So that's all I'm waiting on.
What do you mean by the parents?
What do you mean by them?
I speak about them in my blog.
They're what a lot of the Illuminati would call the old ones.
Basically, they're formerly human-like or a human variant that Draco had made.
That they gave various life extension technology or methods to that have allowed them to live for a few thousand years as opposed to a hundred years.
And they oversee the Illuminati structure as a whole, work directly for the Draconians and monitor the bloodlines for them.
The parents work for the Draconians?
Yes.
Okay.
Okay.
Kind of, sorry.
This is not making sense.
Sorry.
I'm kind of having to click around.
It does look...
Yeah, I do see that, whoever wrote that.
I'm not sure.
So somebody...
It looks like they're testing...
Somebody's testing it.
Yeah, I see that.
I don't know what it means when I select it.
What does that mean?
Oh, sorry.
I think I got rid of that one because I selected it.
I'll just let them pile up.
So if you have questions, go ahead.
And some people seem to have found the place and then now they're putting questions in.
So these parents, I'm still not clear on who they are.
You're saying, are they ETs?
No.
What they are is back when the Draco were first kind of doing their round of manipulations, they had made an earlier version before us that was a little bit more like them, like shared a lot more of their darker or colder traits.
And they had selected a group of them and given them life extension technology, life extension methods in order to be...
Kind of the keeper of all the bloodlines.
They would monitor everything and they would make the decisions based on what the Draconians told them to do.
So kind of like a middleman between the Draco and the Illuminati that most of the Illuminati didn't really know existed until recently.
It was a little bit before I started talking about them that a lot of the other people kind of started hearing about them and finding out about them.
When I was talking about getting a lot of angry responses, that was one of the things that got me a lot of angry responses.
And you're saying they...
So they're a middleman between the Dracos and the Illuminati.
They have life extension technology and they monitor bloodlines.
Is that correct?
Yeah.
Okay.
And what...
What race are they per se?
Are you talking about the Nephilim?
What are you talking about?
No, they would be just considered human.
They're just a different variation genetically of human than we are.
They're like a few I don't know very much about.
Are they Draco themselves?
No, they would be closer to human.
They just have more Draco traits than we do.
Okay.
And you call them the parents.
Why do you call them that?
That's what they've always called themselves in different languages.
That's what they've, the word has always, whatever word they've used over the years has always come back to meaning as basically parents.
The idea that, you know, the bloodlines all come from Draco and they're the parents of the bloodlines.
Okay, and am I correct in thinking that you think that these are good guys?
No, not at all.
Why are you going to be reporting from them?
What does that mean?
No, people wanted an update on what's going on with them because through the blog I've explained how that structure has kind of fallen apart and a lot of the parents have decided to walk away.
Which is a polite way of saying killing themselves or destroying themselves.
And so we've been kind of, I've been updating things as it goes since an initial meeting where a bunch of them walked away all at once.
More of them have walked away since.
So the people who care to know about that, I've been kind of updating as I go.
Okay, so why would they kill themselves?
Because that was the only way to end the life extension method.
Otherwise they feel like they would live, maybe not forever, but for a very much longer time.
And they didn't want to do that.
They wanted to take their chances with reincarnation.
Uh-huh.
So they are human, but they have more Draco blood.
Are you familiar with Transylvanian Sunrise, the Peter Moon book, based on the...
Caesar is the name of the character that apparently was invited into Inner Earth after a certain period of time.
And also Transylvania Moonrise, I think it's called, the other book.
Are you familiar with those two books?
I've heard of them.
I haven't had the chance to read them yet.
I have a friend who has recommended them to me and has seen some correlations between things that I've said in those books.
So eventually I will get to reading them.
It sounds kind of like some of the stuff in there.
Are you familiar with the Philosopher's Stone?
The idea of...
Well, we have information that, for example, the Nazis have reverse aging technology that they've perfected over the years.
Are you talking about these individuals using that?
Are you talking about them Having a different kind of...
Yeah, it's different.
It's something that actually slows down the cellular regeneration to the point where they seem to live, we're not sure how long they would actually live, thousands of years.
But yeah, the Philosopher's Stone, I know what you're talking about, is definitely something different.
Similar, but different.
Okay, are these beings here on Earth?
Yes.
Okay, and they look human?
Yes.
Okay.
A couple of them were disfigured due to their life-prolonging methods, but could still pass for human.
Okay, have you met them?
Yes.
Okay, and you're not a big fan of them?
No, not at all.
I've had to interact with them for years, but no, we don't see eye to eye.
Let's put it that way.
Okay.
Okay.
All right.
I think someone might be asking you, I don't know, if maybe they're saying they're a MyLab here in the chat.
But that does bring to mind whether or not you think you're a MyLab.
I had some similar type experience when I was younger, but I was always conscious of them, so it's a little bit different than the traditional my lab.
It wouldn't be an abduction thing.
It would be, although some of the testing that they did was probably similar to some my labs, it was not the same experience.
I'm familiar with the projects.
I'm also well aware that why we have so many kind of coming forward and coming to remember is because of the breakdown of my lab programs.
Ever since cloning was kind of put into full swing, the Requirement for a lot of the my lab associated programs weren't isn't there anymore so they've kind of stopped doing it closed down a lot of those programs and a lot of those my labs have been more or less kind of released from the experiences that they were suffering from and therefore that's why we kind of have a bit of an influx of them coming forward now.
Same thing as You know, the 2006 to 2009 ballpark where we had a lot of super soldiers coming forward and breaking their conditioning was the same type of thing.
Cloning had replaced a lot of programs and therefore a lot of people were released.
Okay.
That sounds plausible, actually.
So, in your case, though, do you think that you were genetically augmented in any way?
No, I don't believe so.
I'm not...
No, I don't think that anything that I've been capable of comes from my genetics at all.
I believe that it's a spiritual...
My soul is capable of these things, not my genetics.
Okay.
I'm looking at these questions to see if there's anything...
And same for you, questioner.
What I said about myself is true for you as well.
Those things are capable to...
Everyone is capable of these things.
It comes from your soul.
It doesn't come from your genetics.
It comes from your soul.
Okay.
What about someone asking about artificial intelligence?
There's been a lot said about this subject recently, and I have witnesses that talk about this as well.
Are you aware of this thing called black goo and Certainly Miles Johnston has popularized this notion.
I've seen one of Harold Krauts, I'm not sure how to say his name, a man that Miles Johnston was interviewing named Harold, did a very good presentation on black goo, which I did see.
I'm very well aware of AI technology.
It's one of the things that I was tested against communication-wise, like one of the things that I was asked to communicate while I was part of the program.
Was communicating with various AI technology, or AI consciousnesses, I guess you could say.
So yeah, it's something that I'm very familiar with, and same with the black goo technology, both the natural and the alien black goo.
And the kind of part that I feel like a lot of people are missing is that the AI is running something very, very similar, which if you were to see it, it would look very much like the black goo as well, so.
Okay.
I actually have a whistleblower that told me that some of the oil that even people are putting in their car actually contains this artificial intelligence like the black goo.
Yep.
Yeah.
Yes.
And then it burns and...
I'm not exactly sure how to express the effect, but more or less powers the nanites involved with AI. Okay.
I think the way Harold kind of explains it in his video is the black goo traveling at high speeds underneath the planet causing a resonant frequency or an energy.
The AI does something very similar with its own style of the black goo in order to create the Kind of an underlying or borderline radiation-type energy that it needs in order to sustain itself on this planet.
Okay.
Have you seen...
I don't know if you know about this, but have you seen the spiders that Miles Johnson describes?
I don't know if Harold Guy talked about it.
Yeah, I think Harold did talk about them, and yes, I've...
Definitely come in contact with that before hearing him talk about it.
I was actually pretty impressed by hearing him talk about it.
It's probably the first time I've heard it in the public.
Yeah, I actually have seen them myself.
So I was impressed when Miles actually brought it up because I'd never told anyone about it.
So that was interesting.
Okay, there is a lot of talk, someone is saying, about September 23rd.
to 25th.
Have you heard anything along those lines and do you want to say anything about that time period?
From everything that I've taken in it's it's more of a gauging of our opinion than something's actually going to happen.
More or less a lot of this information is leaked into the alternative community and we all kind of have this date in our mind and we're all coming up with theories and ideas behind it and I think that's more or less what they're trying to gauge Right now they're kind of deciding what this final false flag operation will be, whether that the best way is like the alien invasion method or just some kind of catastrophe method.
And I think they're kind of more or less looking at this period of time to see how we all react to determine what that final act will be.
Okay, why do you call it final?
Last-ditch effort on the Illuminati.
Because they're kind of at the end of their plan, so to speak.
And they're trying to...
We've put up enough of a resistance that we've kind of ruined a lot of their plans.
So they're trying to solidify things and tighten the noose finally right now.
Okay.
They're tightening the noose for what?
Yeah.
Just the total control to get us towards that one world government and, you know, the end game that we're all pretty much aware of at this point involving, you know, what we've called the New World Order and one world government, some type of one world religion, having us all under one banner so that we can experience transhumanism and to its finest.
Right.
Okay.
Let's see.
I'm not sure.
I'm kind of skimming these questions really quickly.
And I know we've been doing this for a while, so I'm sure you're, you know, I don't want to keep you too long.
Someone wants to ask about the Orion symbol with regard to NASA, and it's, you know, that's fairly extensive, but do you want to say anything about that?
I don't really know.
Like, I would have to have the question in a little bit more context, because obviously there's a lot of different interpretations of Orion.
I feel like a lot of the interpretations are kind of in the wrong direction, a lot of very negative feelings about something that's not wholly negative.
We have to be careful when looking at things like this, because just like on planet Earth, you know, people from the various stars evolved in Orion can have very different point of views and very different agendas, right?
To bastardize all of them based on what a few have done, which is kind of what NASA is playing towards, obviously the more negative aspects of it all.
But again, without more context, I don't really know where to go with that question.
Yeah, okay.
Obviously there's a positive application because our pyramids are aligned in that way.
There's obviously a positive force coming from Orion as well, so it's not all bad.
Okay.
Let's see.
Someone here was asking about the Guardian Alliance.
Are you familiar with that?
Not exactly.
As opposed to the Galactic Federation, let's put it that way.
I've heard the same kind of group called both, so I'm not...
I don't know.
I have a hard time with names.
A lot of these names are being repurposed and reused.
Either intentionally or unintentionally.
You could call one group three different names and still be talking about the same group, so it's hard to say.
What I know as the Galactic Alliance, if they just want to know my own knowledge, or what I would call a Galactic Alliance is some group of creator souls that oversees the way that different planets are evolving and progressing.
And in a benevolent and respect of a free will way, try to try to guide things in a positive way that nourishes evolution.
And then other people would use the same words for, you know, the little empire that the Draco have with a few other nasty races that they work with.
So it's hard to say.
Okay.
Someone wants to know, should we send love and light to heal negative entities?
Well, if you have the extra energy, sure.
But if you're low on energy yourself, then, you know, keep your own energy because there's a lot of things out there trying to suck up on your energy.
If you're strong enough within yourself that you feel comfortable doing that, I'm not going to tell you not to do it.
But at the same time, I think that a lot of people still need to learn how to control their own energy before they can be giving it away to others.
Yeah, good answer.
Okay, let's see.
You know, I am sort of going through here to find, because sometimes your questions, with all due respect to the audience, are a little too general.
And so I think that, you know, it's very hard to answer you specifically.
So I'm going to try to look for those questions where he can respond.
My general point of view is pretty broad on things.
I've heard a dozen different stories for any one topic you could throw at me, and what I kind of conclude on my own is based on taking in all that different information and what feels right to me at the end.
And I always leave room because I could be wrong.
It could be one of the other stories that I didn't think was as plausible.
Okay.
Someone wants to know if you're aware of a project David's, but with D, period, A, period, B, you know, so on.
It does sound familiar.
Doing that using a name and then putting periods after every letter was something that kind of started after cloning was developed, so it reminds me of something involved with cloning, but I don't know specifically.
Okay, and then somebody says, and how is that related to TR3B, nanotechnology, and biotechnology?
I'm not...
I wouldn't be able to give you an accurate answer on that.
I'm sorry.
Yeah, it's, again, a bit vague.
Someone is asking...
It's kind of a...
A subjective question.
How do you get over having a secret life?
By refusing to continue doing it, I suppose.
Obviously, that's a little bit impossible for most people.
I mean, I can't go to work and talk to everyone about these type of things, right?
So there's still always going to be a little bit of choice involved in what I'm willing to talk with different people about.
But for the most part, if anyone ever asks me questions that lead towards me answering, hey, I was involved with these things and I know this about it, then I'm going to answer, hey, I was involved with these things and I know this about it.
Honesty, I guess, is the best medicine for getting over these things.
Right.
If lying put you in that position, then trying to be honest as much as you can is what's going to get you out of it.
Okay.
Actually, someone is asking about chemtrails, and I will say that in my Cameron interview, he says that they have been stopped from doing it, that their funding has been withdrawn, so they're going to be doing a lot less chemtrails around the world.
This is actually his message.
In part due to a war going on right now between various factions in the Illuminati.
Are you familiar with any of that?
What's happening right now within the Illuminati is because of the changing of the guard, so to speak, between the Draco who kind of ran things and them giving that back to the structure of the Illuminati that they had created.
What we're seeing is kind of a lot of programs and projects and cults being decommissioned, so to speak, like being shut down.
And that causes a lot of infighting.
A lot of people are kind of receiving new information that goes against everything they've been conditioned to believe up to this point, which causes a lot of infighting.
So there is a lot of infighting going on within all of these different projects and cults and projects.
So...
That doesn't surprise me at all to hear, you know, that interpretation of it all and to hear, you know, they're going to stop chemtrailing.
I would believe that that'll probably only last for a little while, but I wouldn't doubt it either.
If they did decide to remove funding from that and stop doing it, I think that they've accomplished their goals in that respect enough to at this point that they could afford to not do it anymore.
That's kind of the way I always look at them, is kind of seeing, like, have they accomplished what they set out to accomplish?
And if they have, then yeah, I can understand them stopping.
Okay.
Let's see if there's anything else here.
I still see lots of them.
I've kind of been picking them up as we go here.
We've actually gone through quite a few here.
I mean chemtrails.
I still see lots of chemtrails.
Okay, I think I've gone through almost all these.
Yeah, okay.
At any rate, I think that we've been going for a while.
I'm not sure where else to go with you at this time, and I do appreciate your candor and your desire to talk about what you know and at least be forthcoming in that regard.
I think that there's a lot that, you know, you're kind of keeping, you're playing quite safe at this time, but I'm not sure I want to push you any further than you really want to go with all of this.
Unless there's something that, you know, I don't know, that we've talked about that you feel that you could go into more detail on.
Sure there is.
Again, I would have to know what you wanted to hear, so...
Yeah, it's not what I want to hear.
It's more what you want to reveal to the audience.
It's kind of a unique platform.
I'm not sure how many more interviews you will do in the future, but certainly this is a moment in time and a chance to say whatever it is you want to say.
So I'm just opening up the sort of stage here for you in light of the audience that we do have and just...
Wondering if there's anything that some of the things we've talked about, we've covered, at least touched briefly on many subjects and any one of those is really a much deeper investigation for people.
So again, you did start a blog and you have a desire to communicate, obviously.
So again, going forward from here, do you want people to email you personally?
Do you prefer they read your blog and wait to hear what you have to say?
Do you have a method of wanting to be communicated with?
Well, that blog is finished.
I do plan on exploring something new in the future.
And people will be notified about that.
I'm sure most people know how to reach me.
I'll probably put something in the comments section of my blog just letting people know what I'm doing next and some stuff like that.
But I do feel like enough people who pick up what I had to say without me intending them to hear it do want to hear more and I'm willing to tell them what I can or what I know, which is what I can.
Just as a kind of general message, I guess, to people is just...
All of our prophecies have kind of led us to now, and they've told us what this is about.
It's the dropping of the veil.
It's bringing the dark to light.
And all you really need to remember during this is that all of the finer details, all the names, all the places, all of that stuff within the information can vary dramatically.
And if you get too hung up on that, you're going to miss the message, and you're going to miss the concepts.
And within it all, that's really important.
So try, when you're interacting with other people and you're discussing these ideas, to pay less attention to trying to sort out the finer details and more attention to where you guys are meeting common ground, things that you're agreeing on, and things that are actionable in our lives.
Because aside from all of this, you know, off-world involvement and everything else that's going on, our cons, all the other things that are messing with us in various ways, We still have a lot of work to do here on this planet that we've neglected while we've been trying to sort all of that out.
So I think we're reaching a point where we're sorting a lot of that stuff out and we can start actionably moving forward and putting love into action.
So I would really hope that everyone listening will kind of take those steps forward.
Just start walking and don't worry about who's walking with them.
Okay, fair enough.
There are a couple more questions here.
Someone is asking again about the Guardian Alliance and I want to say that he answered that question so you have to go back and listen.
This will go up on YouTube right after we shut down so no worries you'll be able to listen back to anything you missed.
Someone is asking about Hindu mythos and all of what has been said.
Is there anything to do with the Hindus and You know, the Hindu sort of philosophies that you would want to address?
Not particularly.
All of the different mythos and religions, they all have, you know, hidden gems within them.
They've all been written in a way to obscure the truth and occult truth.
So, again, just don't...
Don't rely wholly on any one tradition.
Try and take in as much information as you can of all the different ones and just kind of go with what works best for you.
Because at the end of the day, your imagination, your will is what's creating everything.
So whatever is working to help your physical brain, the matter within you, create everything.
The physical reality around you based on your imagination is what you should focus on.
So if Hindu mythos works best for you, then that's great.
If, you know, Christianity works best for you, then fine.
Just try and remember that there's a lot of different conflicting information out there and no one person ever has it right.
Okay, great.
All right.
Well, I guess that's it.
I think it would be very interesting if you do take up any kind of communication with one of the beings that you have met in your travels, the beings that we started the conversation about that were in stasis and have started to awaken.
I hope that you'll come back and share some of your communications with that being, if you do have any in the future.
I would be willing to do so, and I'm sure you and I will be in touch.
Okay, great.
All right, well, we want to thank you very much for taking the time.
I hope this has been sort of opening a window and a door and And allowing people who were very concerned about their personal reputations and also some sorts of conflicts that have been going on in the alternative community have been clarified here with respect at least to you and to what you're putting out and so on and so forth.
And from there, everyone has to reach their own conclusions about everything.
And that's getting truth on a silver platter, as I often say, is not what's intended here on planet Earth.
Otherwise, there'd be no point to this exercise.
So, you know, journey well.
And thank you very much, Shane, for coming forward and taking this time and sharing your insights with us.
You're very welcome.
All right.
All right.
Thank you, everyone, for listening.
We'll be broadcasting again tomorrow night, actually.
A group, a roundtable discussion.
Go on to Camelot, Project Camelot Portal.com, and you'll see the poster there, as well as on my Facebook pages, Carolyn Cassidy and Project Camelot.
So thanks a lot for listening, and take care.
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