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Aug. 8, 2015 - Project Camelot
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PROJECT CAMELOT: CLARK MCCLELLAND AND PROJECT PAPERCLIP SCIENTISTS
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Okay, we are live.
This is Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot, and I'm here with Clark McClelland.
And Clark, say hello to everyone.
Hello, everybody out there listening to what I have to say.
I think you'll never hear otherwise.
Okay, I wanted to test your volume there so that we can make sure you're loud enough.
So if you'll bear with me one moment.
Okay.
I'm trying to clear my throat.
Okay, one moment here.
And I'll look for some feedback from the audience to see if we can actually get that information and see if they are able to hear us.
So, just one second here.
Okay.
All right.
I didn't sleep at all last night, so...
I'm tired.
Okay, yes, I'm getting the feedback that our sound is good at the moment, so go ahead.
What I'd like to do is introduce you with your short bio here, and if you'd like, you're certainly welcome to augment it with your own background, information about your background, and whatever else you can lend to the story.
So Clark McClelland was an engineer and a technical assistant on the Apollo missions and we're going to be discussing basically chapter 28 from your book that you're writing and putting online gradually and it is all about your relationship with some German scientists while you were working for NASA That's right.
And so that's the subject of our discussion.
So your bio, I'm just going to kind of skim through it because it's a little longer than usual, so I'll try to pick out some key sentences here.
I was a spacecraft operator inside the space shuttle, okay?
S-C-O, spacecraft operator.
Okay.
Here it says that you are a bona fide expert in the area of UFOs, and you began to investigate in 1947.
You have 60 plus years of study in the field of UFOlogy, and you have done a great deal of investigation in that area.
You've been lectured at national universities, Notre Dame, Penn State, Ohio State.
Many other ones listed here, and certainly his bio is available for everyone on my website if you want to get more details on that.
He has been basically talking about his work at the Kennedy Space Center.
Let's see.
In 1958, you were assigned to the National Space Program at Cape Canaveral, Florida.
You helped launch and viewed 679 rockets and spacecraft.
It's 691 now.
Oh, is it?
Okay.
All right.
Well, you need to change your bio a little bit there.
Okay, so it again says, let's see, you did extensive technical checkout of the simulated flights, and...
You have been involved in manned projects such as Mercury, Gemini, Apollo, Lunar Landings, Skylab, the Space Shuttle, and the Space Station.
You were signed in the cockpit of the Space Shuttle missions as a spacecraft operator and a ground test astronaut.
And let's see.
Okay, that's...
I think that's enough for now.
Certainly you're also mentioned on three commemorative monuments, the Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo missions.
I'll be on all six when they build them.
Okay.
And you have an extensive website and you're writing a book.
The website is stargates-chronicles.com and so I encourage everyone to go over there and take a look at his website if you haven't done so already.
I've interviewed Clark in the past on other chapters of his book as they came out and the chapter is actually available now, isn't it, on your website?
Yes, it is.
Okay.
And so that's great.
And so the people listening can go over there.
I've read it.
It's a fascinating chapter.
I highly recommend it.
And we're going to be getting into a discussion about it and subjects related to that.
So Clark, why don't you begin by explaining a bit more about what's Sort of how you...
your life inside NASA for the years you were associated, and then what happened to put you in what are sort of dire straits financially at this time?
Well, I joined the space program in 1968, and I was there until 1992, which is 34 years.
During that time, I helped launch a witness 691 missions.
That's a heck of a lot.
I think I hold a record for that.
And while there I met all the space shuttle and Apollo astronauts, I designed the Apollo 11 emblem, the Eagle landing on the moon for Neil Armstrong and his crew.
And eventually I'm going to be selling that emblem With a description pasted on the back of it.
So it's going to be a very rare historic item to own.
I also have moon gold photos that I sell.
It's on my website.
You can see them there.
Moon gold photos are running out now because I'm running out of the gold.
So when I run out of it, I won't have any more and you won't be able to buy it.
So anybody out there that has an interest in it, I would appreciate them buying it, please.
I do need help.
I need financial help really badly.
Thank you, audience.
Thank you.
Okay.
Now, I do want to get into the discussion about the chapter, but could you first fill people in again?
In terms of how did you end your association with NASA and what happened after that period of time, one would think that you would have some kind of income from having worked with NASA for so long?
I could have upwards of $90,000 a year retirement, but the government, the evil in this government, destroyed my method of being able to have that.
I did earn it.
I really well earned it, that's for sure.
And when that happened, I finally had to take an attorney when I was what you could call fired and walked in my car and told to drive out of the base and never come back.
I had to turn in my secret clearance badge and then I held back tears badly because that hit me very, very hard.
And since then I've been in total poverty.
All I have is a small social security check.
And I have hardly any other income because unless people buy my chapters and or buy my moon gold photos, I have nothing really for income other than social security.
And that's very small.
$1,200 a month I try to live on.
People out there listening, can any of you live on $1,200 a month?
Very difficult.
I appreciate that.
Clark, can you explain why is it that they took away your retirement?
They're trying to harm me.
I have now a left leg that is full of open wounds.
I have to have the bandages changed every two days because they get so bloody and that doesn't really help the wounds because the wounds are horribly painful.
I haven't got any kind of pain medicine because I just don't have the money to buy the oxytocin and all that stuff I need.
It's very expensive.
So I haven't...
See, what they're doing is killing me by financially destroying me.
Okay, but in terms of...
They must have had a legal or some kind of a legal reason for being able to get away without giving you your retirement.
Do you know what that was?
What the evil of this government would call legal is illegal.
They used everything they could to cause me to lose my job there, my 34 years.
And then I went to court with an attorney that I found.
He said we had a 50-50 chance of maybe winning it.
He fought it for a year or two.
And then he said I have to go to Atlanta to hear what they're going to do with the case.
We flew to Atlanta, the federal court there, and a woman judge there told him that they're ending the case, he didn't want to have anything more to do with it, and that I have to just go away.
That's what the government told me after 34 years of serving this country.
And that's an evil government.
We have a very evil government in this country now.
Okay.
Well, I think that there might be several people that agree with you, certainly.
Can you...
I guess let's make that transition now and talk about this book that you're writing.
How did you get into writing this book?
And you've got many chapters.
Certainly, it's almost...
Well, this is Chapter 28, so it must be quite a long book at this point, right?
Yeah.
I just started chapter 29 and that will be one of the more amazing chapters if I ever get it published.
Because I know of two objects that's heading for Earth that's very deep in space.
Two very large objects.
They're traveling together.
One is taking the energy of the star that is pulling behind it and it's bringing that towards Earth.
It's heading towards the solar system.
And that there is something that the Earth race should absolutely know about.
They would probably be scared out of their minds.
Okay, and where did you hear about this information?
Well, I picked it up through science.
I used to be an astronomer myself, and a Spanish test of astrophysicists and various other people like that.
I catch on to all types of different stories like that.
I have all my life.
I'm 80 years old now.
I've got a lot of intelligence in my mind, but it's starting to wane now because I'm getting old and starting to forget.
Okay, well, you wrote a great chapter, I have to say, with a lot of detail.
You've got a great memory, apparently.
So you're hanging in there, and it's a wonderful thing that you're able to share with us your background and all of the very, very fascinating things that happened to you while you were a part of...
Of NASA, certainly.
Can you explain a little bit more about these planetoids or whatever you might call them that you think are heading this way?
When do you think they might arrive?
Well, I have no idea because they cut me off from knowing that I was actually tracking it up until I left there 20-some years ago.
So that object was traveling at about the, oh, maybe a fourth the speed of Speed of light.
Speed of light is 186,000 miles a second, so it was traveling, the two objects were traveling towards us from space, very deep in space in the constellation of Aries.
Okay, and what are the size, you say, objects, so there's more than one?
The first one is a, what I believe is a Dyson sphere.
A Dyson sphere It's an inhabited circle of life that's inside of a sphere that keeps what the race is.
It lives within the million-mile diameter Dyson Sphere alive.
And it seeps off from the star that's traveling behind it, that's being pooled behind it.
It's 22 million miles in diameter, that star.
So the two of them are traveling towards Earth.
one's a million mile diameter the Dyson sphere and the star is 22 million miles in diameter of course astronomers astronomers and astrophysicists call it other names can you give us an estimate Are we talking about the size?
I don't know when you quote that many millions of miles.
Are we talking about the size of the Moon?
Are we talking larger than the Moon?
The 22 million mile diameter star It's over 21 million miles larger than our sun.
So it's huge, alright.
The Dyson sphere in front of it, which we believe, that I believe, is inhabited, is a million miles in diameter.
So that's even, our sun's 180,000 or 180,000 or 180,000 miles in diameter.
So that's even larger than our sun, the Dyson Sphere.
There's a race living inside that Dyson Sphere that is pulling the sun and is traveling towards the solar system in our galaxy.
So that's what it is right now.
How far it is yet, how soon it will get here, I have no knowledge, none whatsoever.
Okay, and are you familiar with the term dark star or brown dwarf?
Yes, I do.
Okay, and would you say that the star, as you call it, is a brown dwarf?
Well, it could be, but 22 million miles of diameter doesn't indicate a dwarf to me.
Well, I don't know the average size of a sun or a brown dwarf, so I couldn't...
Yeah.
The destination.
Yeah, that's really extraordinary.
Now, the race that's coming in on the Dyson Spear, do you believe that they are from Aldebaran or Nibiru, or where do you think they're from?
I have no knowledge where they're from, where they have come from, or anything else.
I have nothing, no knowledge.
Like, all I could do is guess, and I don't want to guess.
Alright.
That's very good information for many people out there.
There are a lot of people tracking bodies.
Some feel that they're very close to the Earth at this time.
But you haven't gotten any follow-up information about that?
No, I haven't.
Not right now because I have a very broken down computer.
It's very old and it goes down and comes back up every now and then.
My webmaster lives in Brazil, so he keeps it running the best he can, and I use it the best I can by writing chapters.
Chapter 28 is all about the German scientists and what they told me that they had developed, and that they were in fact actually supported by the Aryans from Aldebaran.
The Aryan race on Earth is the German race.
Okay, yes, absolutely.
And you've had some dealings with this race, isn't that right?
Right now, please.
You've had some dealings with this race, is that correct?
Dealings?
Like, what do you mean?
In other words, you've had some interaction with some members of the race from Aldebaran, is that correct?
Well, I'm not going to say anything about that right now.
That's a future chapter.
Okay.
Alright, that's fine.
So, why don't we get into the latest chapter that you've got, and let me say to the audience that if there is anyone out there that can help Clark in his circumstances...
He is, I think you would say, a national treasure.
He's one of those people that have been part of the secret space program from the early days.
And he has a lot of insider knowledge.
He's been trying to put it out gradually and certainly doing so through my radio and Internet TV shows, as well as I believe he's been on Rentsen a number of times.
So if you'd like to look at his past shows.
Clark, can you tell me about the chapter and how you decided to write it?
What made you decide to come forward with this information?
Well, a couple of people urged me to do that because they didn't think I'd covered deep enough the German scientists that I worked with directly.
Dr.
von Braun, Dr.
Kurt Devis, Dr.
Kanoti, Theodore Poppel, Walter Hosserman, Peter Graf, Everhart Rees, Karl Sendler, all the way down to the bottom, which is not the bottom, but For instance, Dr.
Herman Oberth, I knew well, Dr.
Erichy, George Van von Tiesenhausen, and many others that I didn't mention in my chapter.
Okay, and I noticed you have a Dr.
Conrad Dannenberg?
Dr.
Conrad Dannenberg, that's right, wonderful, intelligent man.
He, uh, Under Danenberg, he designed a series for a solar-powered starship.
Way back years ago, he was a specialist in nuclear and rocket propellants at Sinamunda, the rocket launch base for V-1 and V-2s for Germany.
Dr.
Ernst Stuhlinger, the Director of Space Science Labs at Marshall Space Flight Center, Alabama, was my friend.
He designed a multi-crew ion propulsion craft in 1958 that dealt with electromagnetic force for travel.
And that ion engine craft was just recently, well not recently, but many months ago, sent to the two asteroids called Vista and Ceres.
Vista and Ceres.
Okay, so...
The Dawn mission.
It was his craft.
He designed it many years ago, and then they finally put it to work with his mission.
Oh, fascinating.
All right.
So, when you talk about the German scientists, you did mention that your father also worked for NASA, or, let's see, he was associated in some way, right?
My father fueled rockets for the...
United States Space Program.
He fueled the very first rocket we sent into orbit, Explorer 1, and he also fueled other manned vehicles that were launched to the moon and wherever else.
My father was injured in World War II by these same Germans and was nearly killed at the Battle of the Bulbs.
Some of my friends, Earth-right Americans, said, how can you be a friend of these Germans?
I said, We are a team now working towards sending the human race into space.
I said, that war is over.
My father works with him.
He's got friends that are at the Space Center.
Dr.
Davis, the base manager, the very highest base manager there, was the one that created several very highly advanced rocket engines and weapons systems for the Germans.
And he knew Dr.
Dr.
Divas and Dr.
Canote and all the rest of the scientists that I would go and visit.
And they would show me things and tell me things that I'd never heard before that is the truth.
So they told me things.
These Germans were very honest forward with me.
They liked me because I have some German blood in me.
Scott Irish, German, who knows what else.
Well, I believe they said you're Austrian.
Isn't that correct?
Yes, I'm part Austrian from a mother's mother's side.
She was from Vienna, Austria, and she and my grandfather, her husband, Joseph Makovich Sr., they were here.
Joseph Makovich Sr.
had a very famous friend.
His name was Nikola Tesva.
Okay.
So he knew his friend.
When his friends came over here and worked for Westinghouse in Pittsburgh, he would go out and visit him at his company, Westinghouse, and they would talk old times about Europe and their old town in Europe.
Okay, so are you saying that this was your father that knew Tesla, or it was...
My mother's father, Joseph Makovich.
I see, okay.
Alright, very interesting.
So on both sides, you had people that were in the program, in the space program.
Oh yes, both sides.
We were a family affair at the Kennedy Space Center in Cape Canaveral.
Everybody called us that, a family affair.
We had five or six members of the family that worked out there.
Okay.
My ex-wife worked there.
My ex-wife worked there.
By the way, she divorced me When the government did against me what they did, I lost my home, my car, my son died at age 21, at age 20, I'm sorry, 19 or 20, and then my family didn't have any income.
All I could do was find a job at Walt Disney World in Orlando.
That only paid me four and a quarter an hour, which was a great big dip from what I earned at the Space Center.
Well, it's very puzzling why you were treated this way.
And I do wonder, were you a whistleblower?
Had you already become a whistleblower?
Was this why they...
Of course.
Wouldn't you call what's in that chapter is a whistleblower?
Of course I am.
No, no, no.
I know now that you're a whistleblower, but I'm talking about back in the day when the government turned against you.
Had you already come out back then?
Well, I was writing my book chapters, starting to write them at that time, and they, of course, discovered that.
So they were very in fear of these books coming out to inform the human race on Earth of what really is happening in the space program, in the Russian space program, and the Chinese space program.
There's a lot more happening in NASA, That has happened there.
That is happening there.
We have bases on the back of the moon right now.
We've had them there for years.
We have a colony on Mars of our astronauts, our so-called international astronauts.
Okay?
I understand.
What happened was, NASA was traded into a New World Order space program.
And that's what it is now.
The New World Order is a very evil organization.
Okay.
Very evil.
Absolutely.
Okay, so can you explain your story about how you actually, you know, started to meet these various German scientists?
What were you involved in that kind of let you cross their paths or their paths cross yours?
Yes.
I worked every place you could imagine on that space program.
Also, I was with the Office of Naval Intelligence, ONI. So I got all over that space.
I had a clearance that took me anywhere I pleased.
And I watched all of our launchings to the moon.
Everybody's calling them false or fake now.
Well, if they're fake, I can't say I was able to see anything false about them at all because I tracked the Apollo 11 to the surface of the Moon.
I designed the Eagle emblem patch there, which I'm going to sell on my website soon.
That's worth a lot of money someday.
And I'm going to autograph the back as one of the designers.
Michael Collins of the Apollo 11 crew was the other designer of it.
So I designed the Apollo 11 crew emblem with the landing Eagle on the Moon.
Okay.
What about Dr.
Werner Von Braun?
You have a story here in your chapter about how you met him.
Do you want to talk about that?
I met him at Launchpad 5 and 6, which was the ABMA Launchpad for the early Jupiter and the early...
The early rockets that the Army Ballistic Missile Agency was launching there.
And they launched their first moon, first, first, they launched their first, their first satellite into orbit, Explorer 1.
My father fueled that rocket.
So they, they were very much ahead of everything then at the time.
That was the Army Ballistic Missile Agency out of Huntsville, Alabama.
And they, they would come to the Space Center, We sit here during launch day and whatever else, Dr.
Von Braun and the rest.
Dr.
Devis was the base director at Kennedy Space Center and Kate Canaveral.
He was the person that designed their clock mechanism, the craft that they designed and tested in Poland.
Okay?
All right.
And how did you meet up with Wernher von Braun?
I believe you were working with a friend of yours, Ralph Cornelius?
Ralph Cornelius and I were working on designing the launch pad service towers that would service the rockets.
And he came to pad 5 and 6 and he walked over to me.
He was a very friendly man.
He said, your name's McClellan?
I said, yes, Doctor.
He said, well, what you doing here?
I said, we're redesigning some of the launch pads and some of the launch cars, so it's going to launch future broadcasts for you and the offices and ABMA, the Army Ballistic Missile Agency.
He said, well, thank you for that.
And I said, well, thank you for having it.
That's my job.
Dr.
Debus was with him, too.
Clark, I'm sorry, but you're getting a little muffled on the phone.
Are you able to maybe back off from the receiver just a bit so that your words come out a little more clear?
Can you hear me now?
Yes, that's better.
So, what did you think of Dr.
Von Braun when you met him?
Well, I thought he was a very friendly person.
He was friendly with me.
He was friendly with me until he left NASA and went to Washington for a job.
And I do believe when they did that, they pretty well destroyed his life.
Because he was being considered to fly on one of the first space shuttle missions.
To actually find space and come back.
But that didn't happen, I'm sorry to say.
I wish it had.
Okay, and...
Let's see.
Have you ever met Carol Rawson?
I met her, yes, over the internet and maybe a phone call or two, but I haven't been touched with her for a while.
I heard she was ill.
Okay.
All right.
I don't know what her current state is.
She did work for Dr.
Von Braun.
Did you meet her back in those years or did you not meet her then?
No, I did not meet her back then.
Okay.
I don't remember if I did.
I may have and don't remember.
Alright.
It says here that Von Braun was also interested because you were an amateur astronomer.
Is that right?
That's right.
He was also an amateur astronomer up in Huntsville, Alabama.
He had his own observatory up there.
He studied the stars as often as he could, but being as busy as he is, or was at the time, he didn't have too much time to be studying the stars.
But he did study the stars, and he was very aware of Aldebaran in the Hyades, where the Aryan race came from, and where they helped with military weapons, with the German Army and Air Force, the Luftwaffe.
So the Aryan nations from space did actually bring technological advancements to the German race, they told me.
Other Germans told me the same thing.
And with that they developed first jet engines, first jet aircraft.
They developed some very advanced submarines, very advanced heavy duty tanks that they fired at my father's tank with and blew the actual top of my father's tank off.
Okay.
This race from Aldebaran that you say Wernher von Braun was very familiar with, you're not at liberty to say at this time anything more about them because I've heard from a couple of my other whistleblowers that they actually are on the way here.
Have you ever heard anything like that?
They're not on the way here.
They did here for many, many, many, many years.
Okay.
They're in orbit around Earth right now, and their large spaceships fuel, take fuel from our sun.
I've watched them as they were fueling from the electrical energy of our sun back into their spaceships because they're electromagnetic ships.
They can travel very fast in space.
These here are very massively huge, very huge spaceships.
And they're here already, and they're going to do something to help cure the world of the evil that's killing it.
I see.
Have you ever heard that...
I have certain whistleblowers that have said that they were going to be given some land for their people to live in, in Africa.
Have you ever heard that?
No, I haven't heard that.
Okay.
I would believe it was in Brazil or Argentina or someplace like that, but not Africa.
Uh-huh.
All right.
You're saying that you think they're in ships around the planet at this time.
Do you think that Von Braun rode on any of those ships?
That I can't answer because I wasn't with him in Huntsville, Alabama, and I never thought they even asked him that, but he did tell me he did...
He did see and meet some of the Aryans that came from the planet that's circling Aldebaran right now.
He said they were tall people.
Many of them were blondish with blue eyes, which of course are Aryans.
And he said he met them there.
They were tall people.
And he said that he met them and was able to view what they looked like.
And that shocked the heck out of me one day when he told me that.
Okay, so you're saying that he was able to meet them, and did he meet them here on Earth, or did he meet them off planet somewhere?
No, he met them here somewhere on Earth, and I don't know where that was.
Alright.
You also mentioned that you observed, I guess it was a rare event, you said, called an explosion on Mars in 1954.
That's right.
And that there was a Japanese astronomer who viewed it with you, Tsuneo Tsuhiki?
Tsuneo Tsuhiki, yes.
Do you know why there was an explosion on Mars?
No, we could only guesswork, but my guess was it was either a volcano erupting, which I believe it may have been, or it may have been a hit from an asteroid on the surface of Mars.
I watched it.
I observed it for about 58 seconds.
That's a long time to see something like that.
And then my astronomy director at the Allegheny Observatory in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, part of the University of Pittsburgh, he told me, wow, Clark, that's amazing.
You saw that?
I said, yes, sir.
We recorded it.
When we did, it was published in the Russian Science Journal.
That's when they were still our enemy, and it was published in Harvard College Astronomy Magazine, and it was published in Japan and various other places like that.
Okay, sorry?
That's okay.
Alright.
Did you feel that von Braun was dedicated to his sort of Nazi heritage?
No, he was not.
Okay.
He was dedicated to the German people, that's for sure.
But he was not what you could call a full-blood Nazi like Hitler and And then various other German leaders were.
He didn't like that.
He wanted to fly to space.
And he did that for us here.
And the Germans knew that's what he had in mind.
So they actually frowned on that because they wanted him to win the war against America.
Of course, he did design and launched the V1 and V2 rockets.
And they sell on England, sell in Europe, Poland and various other places.
They were designing one to fly across the Atlantic and eventually bomb New York City and other places.
They even mentioned it would probably bomb Pittsburgh, my hometown.
That was the steel mill capital of the world at that time.
They were considering that.
It was a six engine bomber they designed and built.
And a woman pilot flew it across the Atlantic.
And it flew up and over Greenland and down across parts of Canada.
And they flew right over New York City with that German bomber.
Okay, and is this something that they were helped in the design by the Aldebaran beings?
The Aryans.
Uh huh.
The Aryans helped design a lot of their weaponry for World War II. Okay.
Now, according to your book, and according to this chapter, you're saying that Von Braun said he had seen these real ETs from Aldebaran, and you asked him to describe them.
How did he describe them?
They were tall.
They were tall as people.
And he said, Many, if not most of them, were blondish with blue eyes.
So that tells me right there they were German Aryans.
Okay, and then it also says that you discussed that there were various races visiting Earth back in those days.
And this is...
What year was this that you were meeting von Braun, approximately?
Do you remember?
Oh, Jesus.
That was back in the 1960s, maybe...
It could have been early 1960s, mid 1960s, or late 1960s when we launched to the moon.
So in this, you talk about five or six different races visiting Earth.
Can you name those races?
Pardon me?
Can you name the races, the different races?
Of course.
Number one, the Black Race was designed and created in Africa.
They were the first race on planet earth.
The black race is the first race on planet earth.
Then the other races formed in and integrated in and they were five or six different races.
Nobody's going to tell me that like the white race Christian organization, the Bible says that Jesus Christ and And God created the human races.
If that's so, why do we have the black race, we have the Orientals with the planet eyes, and we have other races on this planet that cannot match what a white person is in its genetics?
Okay, but you say there are five or six different races visiting Earth.
You said visiting Earth.
Were you talking about the race from Moldebaran, I assume, and other races visiting Earth?
Well, they visited Earth and they have settled here with their own pioneers in Africa.
In China, in Japan, in Europe, Italy, and Russia, and in those areas, and also the UK, because the UK and Scotland is a very, very, very advanced race of people.
And that's why I say that they visited here, and they are here, they established their colonies here, And they're still here.
And nobody can tell me that one race created every race on Earth because they didn't.
They came from other star systems out there.
I don't know exactly what star systems they are.
Okay, your voice has become very muffled.
I'm not sure what just happened.
Can you speak a little more clear?
I pulled away from my mouth.
Is that better?
Yeah, that's better.
Okay.
So we have five to six races on this planet, and possibly even more, because I believe the Earth has been populated in the past, maybe a million, 500,000, how many years ago, by other advanced races.
We have Atlantis, we have Nemuria, we have all those past races that are mentioned in history.
If only we would believe what we read when we read into those spaces.
Because that's exactly what it is.
We're a planet that has been established with a race for many millions of years.
And we've had advanced races here in the past.
Very advanced in India and in other nations.
So we're just not starting out as a human race.
Alright, and let's see, to get back to the German scientists, can I ask you about the Dr.
Kurt Debus?
Is that how you say his name?
Dr.
Kurt Debus, yes.
Did you ever talk with him?
Did I ever?
I talked to him all the time.
I visited him at his home at Patrick Air Force Base, met his wife, his daughter Ziggy, I thought his name was Biggie.
Alfred Davis was also another wonderfully advanced, very intelligent German scientist.
He created that, that their machine that they were creating in Poland.
I'm sorry, my mind...
Oh, the Nazi Bell?
The Nazi Bell.
The Nazi Bell, Dr.
Kurt Davis, and several others that helped him created that, that their thing.
Then what happened was, Russia had German scientists go to their side when the war was ended.
They call it the end of the war, but the war didn't end at that time.
It ended a lot of years later.
It ended when German craft flew over Washington, D.C. in 1952 or whatever that was.
That was what they did.
They flew those craft from the South Pole Up to over Washington and all the advanced jets we had at that time, they couldn't keep up with these German advanced flying saucers that they had because they were very advanced.
And then President Truman saw them flying over the Capitol.
And I have another reason why I believe I'll tell you that in another chapter someday, not right now.
Okay, you're talking about the flying saucers that flew over the White House, is that right?
That's right, that's right.
And so you're saying they came from Germany?
They came from Germans that were under the South Polar cap in Antarctica, okay?
Okay, and you're talking, alright, so you're talking...
They built a factory under the Antarctic.
They called it Hitler's Shangri-La.
And that's where they were taking he and his wife Ava to survive there.
They did not die in the bunker in Germany.
Okay, I'm familiar with that.
Are you familiar with the name New Berlin?
New Berlin's on Antarctica.
Uh-huh.
Okay.
It's underneath the ground there.
They have cities and factories there.
Maybe they still have them there.
I'm not even certain.
But that's what happened.
I'm 80 years old, so I'm not at the space center where I can reach people, where I can get more information anymore.
And they stop people from contacting me.
All right.
Were you familiar with Admiral Byrd?
Admiral Byrd, yes I was.
I never met him.
I wish I had.
Okay.
Admiral Byrd went down there with a fleet of U.S. Navy ships and he went there with thousands of military personnel and what they sent there for was to finally, finally stop the Germans that were creating things under the ice cap of Antarctica.
And what happened there was They met up with the German military that completely destroyed many of the ships, killed many of the people that were there, and Admiral Byrd had to return back to the United States.
Admiral Byrd also, I think it was Byrd, went up and flew into the open polar cap in the North Pole and the South Pole.
We have an open polar cap there.
And if you fly in and over it and down inside, you see another civilization living inside the Earth.
Okay, so you're familiar with the Inner Earth civilization?
That's right.
Yes, I am.
Okay, do you believe that those individuals are from Aldebaran or another star system?
That I can't say.
I have no idea.
So I don't try to say it is and then lie.
I'm not going to lie.
I don't lie.
Sure.
Okay.
Very good.
So did you ever talk to Werner Von Braun about what was going on in the bases in Argentina?
Of course I did.
I talked to him many, many, many times.
He did not go deeply into detail about those bases.
But he did say there were Germans there.
Some Germans joined the Argentinian army and military, and they helped them develop aircraft and advanced weapons.
And then I heard also that Hitler was buried, not in the Arctic, but he was taken out of there when he apparently died.
I don't remember how old he was or anything like that.
They took him to South America and they buried him someplace there.
My friend, Dr.
J. Manson Valentine, who was an explorer, was exploring in Ecuador.
And when he was exploring near some mountain ranges there, he came up on two armed guards.
Two armed guards with German weapons.
They stopped him from going in To the area he wanted to go into.
Okay, let's see.
The story goes that Hitler became a priest, had a face, had face, you know, his face altered and was working, hiding out as a priest in Cuenca, Ecuador.
In Cuenca, that's where he was.
He worked there.
I don't know how old he was or what he did when he died, but And I don't have any idea.
But he did.
He became what was called, I guess, a priest.
Okay.
And he was teaching there, priesthood, and then he died.
But I heard he has a monument there built where the German guards were guarding the entrance to his, where he's on a mountain area there.
That's where I heard that Hitler has a monument where his body lies.
Okay.
So, in terms of, I'm looking at the rest of your chapter here, you're also mentioning Dr.
Adolph Knoth?
No, Knoth.
Oh, Knoth, okay.
Dr.
Adolph Knoth was a senior scientist.
He directly reported to Dr.
Debus.
Alright, and you say there's something about a photo that he took off the wall.
Do you want to talk about that?
He took a photo off his wall.
When I went into his office, he closed the door and told his secretary, do not bother us, Dr.
Davis.
He took a photo off his wall.
He took the frame of the front picture of what was a Cupidist sea that he had on the front photograph.
And he I took the back photograph.
What it was was a photograph of one of our nose cones that we launched into space that was returning to Earth, and it was followed by six or seven alien craft.
He showed me the photograph of that.
He said they followed that nose cone down until it impacted the ocean, and then they took off and went back into space.
He said that was a photograph of that actual event that happened.
Okay, and he talked about it being a UFO? Five to six different UFOs following the nose cone.
Alright.
So you have had verification that there are such things as UFOs and that I assume these are not ours, all of them, correct?
No, not all of them, but there are some that we have reproduced over in Area 51 and that we've flown them there and that they have reached very swift speeds.
And that they are very, very advanced in technology.
Now, the person that first created this idea was once again the genius of all geniuses on Earth, Nikola Tesla.
He designed an antimagnetic, electromagnetic flying machine way back years and years ago.
Okay, but he was an American, wasn't he?
Nikola Tesla came from Europe.
He came over here and he joined Westinghouse to help them create their electrical devices and inventions that they had.
He was an excellent, excellent, excellent scientist.
Yes.
He told my grandfather he did believe that he did contact alien life in space when he went to Colorado.
He said he does believe that he contacted alien life in space and that they were trying to communicate with him out here in Colorado when he was there.
Okay, there are some people that dispute whether Tesla was indeed in touch with so-called aliens.
So he told your father this?
He told my grandfather this.
Oh, your grandfather, okay.
That's why he told my grandfather told me this when I was a younger boy.
I just wish he would have taken me with him and introduced me to the Shakespeare hand of Nicola Tesla.
I would be so proud to have done that because I do believe he was the most advanced scientist on earth, above Einstein and everybody else.
Okay, well, I'm just looking him up here, and it appears that he was actually from Serbia originally.
That's right.
My grandfather was from Serbia.
I forgot the name of the town, but that's where he was from.
Your grandfather?
Well, Tesla was also from Serbia.
My mother's father, Joseph Makovic Sr., came from Serbia.
He was a Croatian, and Tesla was also a Croatian.
Okay, it says, I'm just looking it up briefly here, it says Tesla came to the United States in 1884.
That's right.
1889, my grandfather met with him at Westinghouse.
After that, he left and went to Colorado, I believe then, and he was testing things out there.
That's when he claims he thinks he believes he's contacted alien life and was trying to communicate with him out there in Colorado.
Okay, that's very interesting.
Well, it also says that I guess at one time this was part of the Austrian Empire.
Is that correct?
It was part of the Austrian Empire at one time, yes.
Okay.
My grandmother was from Vienna, Austria.
My mother's mother.
She was married to Joseph McEvich Sr.
who met Tesla.
Well, you know, it's interesting that they've been able to turn against you because you have quite a family background in the space program.
Well, not only that, our family began here with John Clark.
He was on the Mayflower when it landed in Massachusetts.
Okay.
And then our family came up from there.
General George B. McClellan was the general of all the North armies during the Civil War.
He got in arguments with Lincoln, and he treated Lincoln actually badly, I thought so.
So Lincoln fired him, and then he went off and became governor of New Jersey two times, two terms.
General McClellan was a very intelligent man, too.
He fought General Lee at the battle of...
I forgot the battle of his name now, but they had more people there died on the south and north side than any other war that the United States has ever fought.
Three thousand plus people in two days were killed in that battle.
I forgot the name of it, Janet.
Okay.
It was a major battle, but it was a major, major, major Civil War battle.
And then General Lee had to back away, and he retreated.
They said McClellan won that, and McClellan made to mention he didn't win it.
With all that loss of life, nobody won it.
Okay, was it the Battle of Gettysburg?
No, ma'am.
Uh-uh.
Okay.
What about...
Okay.
All right.
Well, I don't know my Civil War history.
Can I talk?
Yeah.
Hello?
Oh, no.
Okay.
I'm not sure.
I think we just lost Clark, so I'm going to call him back, and hopefully that was just an accident on his part and not that we were disconnected.
It was the Battle of Antietam, where McClellan and Lee fought to a standstill, and Lee had to retreat.
Well, I was wondering, because Tesla apparently was an American citizen, and he was helping the war effort during World War II, the Americans, I assume.
And I'm also told that early in the 1930s, and maybe even before, he was helping them with even flying saucer technology.
Are you familiar with that?
Yes, I did.
I heard about that, but I heard nothing much more than just say that.
Okay.
He did, and that's why I believe that much of the technology that the United States has, not only from the captured, the captured craft that fell in Pennsylvania that I observed, I went and watched it, saw it there, that there's Nazi Bell, a Nazi Bell fell in Pennsylvania, Yes, we did a show about that with you quite a while ago.
That's right.
But the Nazi bell that fell in Pennsylvania was not that long ago.
Maybe, was that in the 60s or 70s?
1964, I think, or something like that.
65, maybe.
Well, I think that they got reverse-engineered technology.
Certainly, we know about the Roswell incidences.
And prior to the Roswell, we had other crashes that they were recovering.
That's right.
They recovered a hell of a lot of them, but you're not allowed to know that because the New World Order has captured all our minds now.
We are slaves to the New World Order.
When will people finally realize that?
Well, I think they certainly, at least as far as I can tell, they're definitely realizing that.
But maybe not the mainstream.
The mainstream are...
The mainstream are brain dead.
I'm sorry.
Yeah, I'm sorry too.
Much of our mainstream, coming out of high school, they can hardly write their own name.
Even out of college.
Actually, they're coming out of school stupid.
I want to ask you about Albert Einstein.
Did you ever meet him?
No, I did not.
I was told about an incident in which he was involved in helping to deal with a certain alien race.
So you've never heard anything about a crashed saucer somewhere in the southwest, I guess it was, and they brought in people like Einstein, etc.
Also, General Patton was there.
General Patton died in Germany.
He was murdered there because he actually sent the German bell to the United States with General Kamler.
General Kammler was a German SS general.
Very cool man.
He was very, very highly intelligent.
He brought the German Bell over here because General Patton helped him create a way to get it here.
It entered a very old-looking cargo ship, and it was sailed to the United States on board that cargo ship.
It landed here, and it was taken to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, where it is still sitting four or five stories underground.
Okay.
All right.
And as far as what went on with...
You don't know, or do you do know, what year that was that Patton was involved, because you say he died over in Germany.
What year do you think they killed him?
Is that what you're saying?
He was murdered by a KGB Russian secret police officer in his hospital room.
Okay, and what year was that?
I can't recall the exact year, but he was murdered there.
That was in Germany.
His wife even came on the internet and said, my husband was murdered in Germany.
Okay, and you think it was because he had a hand in getting the Nazi bell across the Atlantic?
That's one of the reasons, and also General Patton was preparing himself to run for president of the United States.
And the evil in our U.S. government did not want him to do that, so they had to take care of him some way.
So they made arrangements with Russia to kill him.
Okay, I'm very interested in Kamler.
Kamler is one hell of a man, I'll tell you that.
I met him at the Kennedy Space Center in person.
Okay, can you talk about your meeting with him?
That's right.
I was called to Dr.
Devis' office.
He said, I, the secretary said, he has your autographed picture from him for you.
Go up to his office.
But please don't stay long because he's got two gentlemen there he's talking with.
I said, I will not be there very long.
I knocked on the door.
I heard Dr.
Devis say, enter.
I did.
When I walked in, The two Germans that were there stood up.
They clicked their heels to me, which is a sign of respect.
And I had never met them before.
Okay?
Very interesting.
And you also mentioned that at the time that you met Kammler, he was supposed to have died.
Isn't that right?
It was made up.
It was falsehood.
It was a fallacy.
They did that in order to keep him alive.
So they said he died two or three times in Germany and wherever else.
He didn't die over there.
He came here and lived in the United States.
Okay.
That's very interesting.
I don't know if you know who Sean David Morton is, but he wrote a book.
I know the name, but I didn't read his book.
Okay, well his book is called Sands of Time, and it's all about the life story of a person who ran Area 51.
Okay.
And he also, Dulcy, and this man died, and he had his lawyer turn over his sort of memories, recall written information to Sean, who then put it into a book and labeled it fiction, but has basically said that this is a whistleblower testimony.
In the story, this individual who is running Area 51 was also met and ended up, I guess, having interaction with Kamler.
Well, that I'm not familiar with.
Maybe I am and don't remember it.
I may be still forgetting things.
Oh, of course I have, since 1935.
Yes, so this was going on during the 1950s, from what I understand.
Yes, I was studying it deeply at that time.
Is there someone else there with you?
I thought I heard a male voice.
No, there's a cat, and he runs around the room and makes noise when I'm on broadcast.
He's a very wily little creature.
Okay, may I mention this again?
It wasn't mentioned very hardly at all.
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Okay, Clark, you also mentioned Heinz Schuller in your story.
What was his name?
Heinz Schuller.
Heinz Schuller was a German technician working at the Kennedy Space Center and he was a friend of mine and he knew all about what happened in Dr.
Devis' offices and I asked him At the cafeteria.
Was that camera I met?
He said, absolutely, but keep your mouth shut about it.
Okay, very interesting.
He said, you've got to keep your mouth shut about that.
Alright, so these Germans, you say they were your friends.
Why would they turn against you, or did you think they had a hand in turning against you, or do you think that this happened by another group that came in?
This happened by a very evil group that's part of the New World Order.
They wanted me out of there because of my high intellect and everything I've discovered, like those two objects coming in from deep space.
They don't want the human race to know that.
The human race couldn't handle it, in fact.
All right.
Very interesting.
Now, I do have some people.
We're going to close this down.
You've been on the phone with us for a while here, and I don't want to keep you too long, but we do have...
Been on for about an hour and 45 minutes now.
Have we?
Okay.
It's always fascinating to talk to you, Clark, and I really do appreciate it.
I just want to see if there's any questions from the audience.
Would that be all right?
That's alright, but have you repeat it to me.
I don't want to hear them.
Yeah, they're just writing their questions and I'll have to speak the question.
Okay, you just read them out.
Okay, did you happen to know of a man called the Dutchman?
There were several peaceful people at the space center that were German called the Dutchman.
Okay.
And did you happen to know...
His last name was Richards.
His real last name was Richards.
I don't remember that name right now without a front name.
Okay.
Did you have many dealings with the English?
With the English?
Yeah, when you were at NASA. Well, I met English scientists and people would come in there, yes.
Okay.
That's all.
And did you see evidence of what I call the secret space program?
Which would be, you know, in other words, how we got the bases on the moon and Mars?
That would be...
We were there a long time ago.
We've been there for many, many, many years.
I will not state much more than that.
But Neil Armstrong did go to the moon.
I helped launch them.
I had to write reports for Dr.
Devis, who was there, and I had to also keep commentary from them to ground level and ground level up to them on the moon.
Anybody that calls that a false landing, they should read a lot more.
Okay, are you familiar with the idea that we had help getting there?
That, again, would probably be the races from Aldebaran, but at any rate...
The Aldebarans, I am certain there were several that worked at the Space Center, and I didn't know that for certain, but I knew blonde, blue-eyed, tall people there.
Okay?
So I suspect that what Dr.
Von Braun told me about what his meetings were with him, I think they were the Algebrans that were working at Kennedy Space Center.
Okay.
I'm just scanning really quickly.
I think that's about all the questions I see.
That was all the questions from your audience?
Well...
What I'm looking at here, they are listening intently, I'm sure.
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Clark, there is one more question here asking if you want to say more about the bases on the moon and Mars.
Do you have any further information about them?
Yes.
I could say a couple more things.
The moon base is on the back side, and we also have some bases on the front side.
I know the craters they're in, but I won't mention it.
We have a fleet of New World Order astronauts that are on the moon at these bases, and they're also on Mars.
We sent them to Mars on that advanced craft The German Bell, which was advanced in technology at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, far beyond what it was in Poland or wherever else that Dr.
Davis worked on it.
So that aircraft is one that flew them to Mars.
They can fly them there and fly them back.
That's how advanced that craft is.
We are over 50 years behind knowledge of knowing what we have already developed in technology.
Okay.
That's what it is.
Over 50 years, the American public are totally kept stupid because that's the reason why they want to be kept stupid.
We are an enslaved society on Earth.
Yes.
Believe it or not, I'm saying that outright.
Whoever doesn't want to believe it, that's their problem.
Alright, I've got a couple more questions here, and then I'll let you go.
One person wants to know, do you think there's going to be climate change?
Are we going to have a change in the climate affected by the incoming bodies that you mentioned?
That's a possibility.
Of course, it's got to be...
If that's our large object, 22 million miles in diameter, with a 1 million mile diameter...
That's going to have an effect on our solar system, the planets and everything else if it comes in as it is directed to do right now.
And I don't know why they would want to do that because I'm certain that civilization that lives on that front object that's a million miles in diameter, I'm certain they know that Earth is inhabited.
And there may even be inhabitants of other parts of the solar system too, like some of the moons and who knows where.
Okay, well we know that you saw an Anunnaki, a nine-foot being on the space shuttle.
That's what you've told us in the past?
I saw an Anunnaki on the space shuttle.
Well, are you familiar with that terminology?
I'm familiar with Anunnaki, but I don't know, I don't think I named it an Anunnaki.
Alright, well you said it was a nine foot tall being?
Okay, eight to nine feet tall, was in the space shuttle, in the space shuttle payload bay, with two friends of mine that were astronauts at the time.
It was giving them orders with arm movements.
It wasn't passed to any part of the shuttle.
The two astronauts worked so they wouldn't float away.
This was an eight to nine foot tall humanoid large head giving orders to two astronauts.
Now, there was a large spacecraft behind it that apparently was the spacecraft of this large entity.
Now, seven weeks later, I had a phone call from five stories underground.
A friend of mine that said, Clark, I'm going to back you up on that because I saw the same eight to nine foot tall alien type creature inside the crew compartment of another space shuttle mission other than yours.
He said it was bending over not to hit its head on the ceiling.
Okay.
There's two stories from two aerospace engineers and me who was a backup astronaut in the space shuttle.
A spacecraft operator.
Now, if you operate a bus, that's a bus operator.
If you operate an airplane, you're a pilot.
If you autograph anything else, then you're that.
I was a spacecraft operator inside the space shuttle.
Okay, when you saw the being, Clark, did you see him on a closed-circuit television?
Was that it?
Well, I had it on a closed circuit.
That's right.
Okay.
And there were some other people in the room, weren't there?
In what room?
When you saw the being on the television?
No, there was nobody else in the room.
I had the person that was working with me to inside a vault.
I closed him in there.
He was passing his master's degree test the next day.
So I observed that.
I didn't have a videotape in the damn machine, or I would have videotaped it.
And so I can only say that either you can believe me or not.
I am not lying to you at all.
Everything I've told you is the truth.
Your nation and its evil government does not want you to know this type of truth.
Okay, so I appreciate that.
That's why they're killing me at this time.
All right, I'd ask anyone listening, if you know someone who can help Clark out of his difficult situation, that would be great.
He is certainly somebody that is very valuable as a whistleblower to us, and in thanks for his great contribution to our knowledge.
It would be lovely if there's anyone out there that can give you...
I accept donations.
I accept donations on my site also.
Yes, so go to his website.
All the links are on my website to go over to Clark's.
And also I put the link to donate on my website as well.
So you can find it there.
If there's somebody that's very, very rich that has guts and that's brave that can help me A millionaire, hopefully.
If you can help me, please, I sure could use your help if you're brave and have courage.
There's not too many people that have that any longer.
I have an ovary of that.
Alright.
Thank you so much, Clark.
I want to thank you very much for talking with us tonight.
I don't want to keep you any longer.
We've been on with you for quite a while.
We will reference this video.
It will go onto YouTube with my very large audience even after this live broadcast.
And I hope that you will be well.
I hope people will read.
Also buy the chapters of your book.
It's a fascinating book.
Every chapter is worth reading.
And that's how you've chosen to publish it.
Correct?
Please, please buy.
Please buy the moon gold photos.
Please buy those.
Buy my chapters.
They're not very expensive.
That's the only way I can publish them because the evil in this government has stopped me from publishing any place on the planet Earth.
They have stopped me from doing that.
Yeah.
Thank you, audience, for listening to me.
Alright, thank you.
What I have told you is exactly the truth, believe it or not, like Ripley says, but I'm telling you the truth.
You heard a whole lot of stuff tonight that's absolutely amazing.
You will never hear it from anybody else because it will not allow you to know that.
Okay, well you speak from experience and that's a wonderful thing.
So thank you, Clark.
We'll do this again, okay?
Okay, Carrie, you have a wonderful show.
You're one fantastic woman for what all you're doing.
You cover every topic on earth, including me.
So I want your audience to listen to Carrie Cassidy as often as you can.
She's a wonderful woman.
Thank you, Carrie.
Thank you so much, Clark.
Okay, you take care and thank you everyone for listening.
Good night.
Okay, bye-bye.
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