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Aug. 13, 2014 - Project Camelot

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KERRY ON REVOLUTION RADIO LIVE AT BASES CONFERENCE

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	Thank you.
	I don't know how many speakers are in the audience today, but I'm hoping to bring them down, maybe as you're doing here.
	Anyway, I'm hoping to bring some of the speakers down and record it and then put that on my radio show tonight.
	So we'll see how that goes.
	Yes, pretty much what I've been doing.
	So we're getting speakers down and getting some of the members of the audience as well to talk about their experiences and stuff.
	Is this going live?
	It's going live, yeah.
	It's going live.
	I'm Sarah Gloveley.
	You forget that you won't know me at all.
	I know you very well, obviously.
	Sarah Gloveley, our opening show on Frisco Mass Radio.
	And apparently you've been a guest for Paul Giovanni before.
	No, it's the accent.
	Apparently you've been a guest for Paul Giovanni before on Critical Mass Radio.
	Oh, yes, I think so.
	Yeah, he remembers you anyway.
	She's forgot you, Paul.
	No, I don't know by sight.
	You know, everything that's on the radio, it's just like you have no idea who the person is.
	They come up and introduce themselves.
	But that's true also of various people out in the audience.
	I see people come to my conferences or show up around where I go speaking and so on, and they come up to me and we know each other.
	And then, you know, I just meet them again and it's like I recognise the face but I don't know the name.
	So you go all over the world and you're interviewing so many people.
	I'm being interviewed by so many people.
	It's hard to keep track, I should imagine.
	So what are you looking forward to this weekend?
	Oh, gosh.
	Well, I know Simon Parks.
	I don't know if he's here in the audience anywhere.
	I haven't met him in person yet.
	I'm hoping to do an interview with him and Mary Rodwell as well.
	Same difference.
	I don't know if she's here in the audience, but I'm hoping to interview her.
	And some of the speakers I don't know, like yourself.
	I don't know your work, so I'm interested to hear and see what's going on.
	I mean, England is a hot spot, of course, and...
	Recently, I guess, I don't know how many people follow Camelot all that closely, but I just interviewed Mark Richards.
	Captain Mark Richards from the secret space program, Space Command.
	And he has talked some about a space center here in England.
	And I posted a letter from him saying where it was and possibly still is to some degree.
	So that's interesting.
	But yeah, this is a hot spot.
	I've been here many, many times.
	Spoke in Glastonbury.
	I think I've spoken in Glastonbury twice.
	At least once.
	And also did an interview with Barry King, as you may know.
	And Eva, gosh, her name is escaping me.
	But at any rate, I do have a lot of interviews.
	And sometimes names kind of escape me.
	I know the feeling.
	And I know I'm as many as you.
	Oh yeah?
	Okay.
	I had a bit of brain wipe out earlier.
	Simple names and things and simple terms just go out the window.
	Yeah, I know exactly how you're feeling.
	So what are you talking about tomorrow?
	Is it tomorrow you're on?
	No, I'm actually the very last speaker.
	If people make it through the whole weekend, then they get me.
	Brilliant.
	So you're on at 5 o'clock when I'm on Friday.
	Yeah.
	So you're going to have to hang in there for me, but it's worth it.
	I can tell you that.
	Do you want to give us a bit of a tidbit on what you're going to be talking about?
	Sure.
	I'll be talking about my recent interview with Mark Richards and the Space Command and the black projects.
	And really, you know, the emphasis for Camelot is putting the big picture together.
	So I'm going to talk about that.
	I'll talk about whistleblowers, their psychology to some degree.
	And, you know, I mean, I have a huge amount of stuff.
	You know, I could...
	Talk for many, many hours.
	I'll have about an hour and a half, I think, and I'll try to do like an hour talk and then take a half hour, at least a half hour for questions, if it works out that way.
	I know there's a time for questioning as well a bit later for all the speakers, and I'm not sure if that's a panel discussion or what that's going to be, but yeah, I'll do that.
	So, yeah, I'm just going to talk about what's going on, you know, and...
	It'll be fun.
	I mean, one thing I do is try to see where the audience is at, where their heads are at, how much they know.
	And that tells me how far I can go.
	Well, I think you've also got quite a way with this audience, because I know I spoke at the MASH conference about two years ago, and my sister came with me, and she's quite mainstream, but has some very important information, and I dragged her along.
	And she won't admit she went to an alien conference, she won't admit it to anybody.
	I've just blown the whistle on her completely.
	But she said that she felt that that was the place where she was most accepted and her work was most accepted out of everywhere she's spoken, which I think is quite familiar.
	When she's talking to groups of midwives and groups of doctors and groups of God knows what, that was where her work was most accepted.
	Okay, but what exactly is her work?
	I'd have to ask you.
	Right, well her work is on oxytocin and the love hormone and the birth process and how the crisis in midwifery at the moment and how that is having a detrimental effect on the mother bond with the child and the disintegration of the family.
	I mean, because the British government wants to be involved in telling you what to do with your children.
	She can't be quite so long, but she puts it in a very scientific way that basically proves what's happening is very wrong.
	It's actually quite desperate.
	It's amazing to me.
	I mean, I come from America, obviously, and we know that we have...
	In essence, sort of the Fourth Reich in our country having been established there in full force.
	But at the same time, we do have some freedoms that still are almost residual and things that people wouldn't give up if they knew they were giving them up.
	In theory, they would riot in the streets.
	And one of them certainly would be being in control of your child's future.
	Now, there may be some shades of grey in the US, but I can tell you that things I've heard here in England amaze me.
	Really amaze me.
	I know...
	You're not supposed to give lessons without a license of any kind, and you're not supposed to drive the child to and from somewhere without some kind of...
	I don't know if you're even allowed to.
	CRB check it's supposed to be.
	I think it's been relaxed a bit because people did kick off about it.
	It's amazing.
	It's got really silly.
	Well, I mean...
	This is part of what's going on.
	Obviously they want control of your children.
	This is the talent for the future.
	And they want to totally psychoanalyze them and they want to find out where they fall on the sort of on the spectrum of abilities and utilize them.
	Yeah, I went to a what's called a Tudors of Tudors conference a couple of years ago and it was run by a national college.
	And they provide training, training, For children's centre leaders.
	And the government has put a lot of money into getting two-year-olds into nursery.
	And now you can't come on the radio without advertising that they're giving money for putting two-year-olds into nursery.
	And it's quite blatantly a way of state controlling the children much earlier and breaking the family bonds.
	And we actually got invited there.
	We now realise it's controlled opposition.
	And we were asking the right questions, which they, of course, had enough answers for to persuade any worries about attachment.
	And I'll go in my talk tomorrow a bit more in-depth about some of the tactics that we used.
	I mean, there was somebody there talking about microchipping children, basically with the bracelets, the colourful bracelets, which we've been trying to introduce in New Zealand.
	But that's one of the agendas in technology in schools.
	Incredible.
	I know that they do have also training sessions with UFOs in your British schools, which I get a kick out of that, obviously.
	I mean, I could say that that's very interesting because that's all about conditioning.
	You know, certain ET races, especially the greys, are all about, you know, UFOs and then they land and so on and so forth.
	So that kind of really mechanical technology.
	We're talking about children not having fear towards being abducted ultimately because that's what's happening.
	They're not being taught to have any kind of caution about that situation in theory.
	So as you break that down, you know, It goes down that road.
	Yeah, and I mean, you know, everyone has different perspectives, but from all the interviews I've done, and that's with over 300 people, people who have been very deep in the secret space program, I can tell you that there are both positive and negative beings out there.
	It's a reality.
	And one of the strongest things that came through this time in my interview with Mark Richards is actually just that we are in a sort of an, I call it an ecosystem in the interview.
	And the interview I did is on YouTube, so if you haven't seen it, you know, you can watch it there.
	It's a strange kind of interview because I'm not allowed, I go interview him in a prison and He's been in prison for 30 years.
	He and his father worked in the secret space program.
	He was framed for murder.
	At the time, he was having lunch with his mother.
	They didn't take her as a good enough alibi.
	But prior to that, he'd been on a mission.
	So he wasn't even in the world, on the planet.
	That's not an alibi that you can use, obviously, in a courtroom anyway.
	Standard issue courtroom.
	And so, he, but that interview really emphasizes the number of, sort of that we are prey to some species of ETs.
	You know, and that's just, that's just the way it goes.
	And I think that that's been very much soft-pedaled in the secret space program, in disclosure in general.
	And a lot of new-ager types don't want to hear that.
	They don't want to put it out there.
	But my perspective on that is just understanding that, you know, we're part of a very large ecosystem that goes, you know, multiverse-wide and we are considered dangerous to some ETs and certainly they are dangerous to us and their agendas are extremely involved and it's time that we sort of mature and look at it that way.
	You know, it's like being in a jungle.
	Growing up on planet Earth is like being in a jungle.
	We're not strangers to danger, even from our own kind.
	So I think it behooves us to grow up a bit and to start to approach this in a whole different way.
	Yeah, I entirely agree with you there.
	And I think one of the hardest things for people to admit is that whether it be government in brackets or whatever, that there are people above us or entities above us that are there to do us harm and not to be there for our benefit.
	And I think that's something that a lot of people really struggle getting their heads around.
	Very infertile.
	It reminds me, children have a very grandiose idea of their power, if you like.
	Because it's easy for them to think that they're responsible and they could do something, and they're admitting they're no power.
	It sort of reminds me of that a little bit.
	That as people walking around on the planet, to think that there are things that are there to do us harm, other than each other.
	It's hard to stomach and hard to admit people.
	Well, I mean, it brings to mind the Ronald Reagan statement, you know, that at some point if we had an invasion or whatever.
	I mean, those weren't idle words.
	I don't know if you know the story, but apparently Ronald Reagan and Nancy were...
	They met with a certain group of greys on Mulholland Drive.
	They were stopped in their car before he...
	He became president, and basically they said they wanted him to run for president.
	I mean, this is a story that I have.
	I'm trying to think whether I can reveal my sources on this one, because I don't know if it's being put out there by this individual.
	I think it's okay.
	Jordan Maxwell was told this, and if you know who Jordan Maxwell is, you know he's a Extremely conscientious investigator and very well respected, at least in my circles and all the information I know about him.
	Wonderful man.
	And, you know, so he was approached and basically said that, you know, we're going to try to get you into the presidency.
	I mean, that's an interesting story, not just because that's a contact that they had.
	And lots of people know that Nancy Reagan was, you know, into astrology and various things, which would be very natural if you sort of backtrack from even this incident.
	But to understand that what we're talking about is whatever ET race that was, That they wanted to put their man in our presidency, okay?
	So what does that say about the man we've got in presidency right now?
	It says something about who's orchestrating some of the things going on on this planet are being orchestrated behind the scenes by various ET races.
	So we're talking about politics, exo-politics, in a big way, right?
	And so I like to look at some kind of seemingly superficial statement that can actually reveal the layers below that.
	And the tragedy that we're facing, which is this select group here in England that's showing up to something like this over this weekend...
	And, you know, in various other small pockets around the globe, but very small, right?
	We're the ones that understand that politics as we knew it originally is not at all what we thought it was.
	And that the so-called rulers or those who would be rulers of planet Earth are dealing on a whole different level.
	And once you understand that, then you begin to understand The motivations for the wars that we're seeing are different than just something as superficial as we're after oil.
	Okay?
	Because it's just not that simple.
	And most of the time it's not about oil.
	It just looks like it is.
	That is one thing that if you're, you know, into making money and you want to keep us on an oil sort of standard, energy standard, that, you know, you're going to pursue.
	That's certainly one part of an agenda.
	But that's just not the story.
	The real story is so much deeper.
	And this is what the tragedy that our papers, you know, the journalists, the newspapers, people read.
	They're just not getting the story.
	So how can you make...
	I mean, you've got all these pundits and all these brilliant people out there talking around the clock, trying to analyze the political situation, trying to understand why Israel is escalating, why this is going on.
	And even psychoanalyzing the leaders, the so-called leaders, such as Netanyahu or whatever, and their thinking, their strategizing, etc.
	But if you don't have the ET part of that quotient, then you're just missing the story.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	And Ben makes a very good point that if they had to admit about the ET connection, they'd have to admit about zero point energy, etc.
	You make a very good point on that.
	I went to one of your talks on that.
	It was really, really interesting.
	So I'll hand you over to Ben for some more questions.
	Thanks, Sarah.
	I was going to ask Kerry that, actually, because I've watched all your videos, I think.
	I can't remember.
	Did you ever have Stephen Bassett?
	You have interviewed him.
	I thought you might have done.
	Stephen Bassett, of course, is the director of the Paradigm Research Group and he is campaigning for an end to the truth embargo, which means he's developed some petitions and he's trying to get the congressmen on his side and things like that.
	I respect the guy and I'm really keen on what he does, but in your opinion, how realistic is he being in terms of achieving willing disclosure from the government?
	That's an interesting question.
	I mean, you know, I just was at the Secret Space Program Conference, which took place in San Mateo, California.
	As many of you will know, and I interviewed Catherine Austin Fitz there.
	Fascinating interview.
	So if you haven't seen...
	Whoa.
	Just lost all of my contact there.
	Okay, if you haven't seen that interview, I highly recommend it.
	Anyway, so...
	Stephen Bassett was there.
	So I see Stephen almost everywhere I go, whatever conference I go to.
	We often frequent, obviously, we're speakers or we're at the same conferences.
	And this has been going on even before Camelot, because I was, you know, I started shooting Camelot before Camelot started interviewing people.
	And one of the early interviews I did was with Stephen Bassett, as a matter of fact.
	At his ex-conference, I think we sort of retired to a certain little area and I interviewed him there by pool, as I recall.
	And, you know, I have to say, I mean, the citizens' hearing on disclosure was excellent.
	And a lot of people will want to...
	There's some very, very interesting things.
	You know, I've got stories, so I could just keep you here all night.
	But I'll just say, in terms of Stephen and what happened there is that You know, he wants to go the Washington, D.C. road.
	I mean, that's kind of his upbringing.
	He's an activist who goes kind of in that, he grew up in that whole milieu.
	That has meaning to him.
	Things like degrees have great meaning to him.
	You know, degrees in college and so on.
	And I have some degrees, so it's not a problem for me.
	But at the same time, I also can acknowledge that Some of these things are absolutely superficial and what's worse is they also can Those people can actually be more sort of kept in a box than the people that haven't been given a degree in some college and a pat on the head and so on and so forth by society.
	So I always try to keep that in mind when I meet people, when I'm interviewing people.
	I'm not concerned so much about, you know, what it says on paper.
	Paper can also, first of all, lie and be faked easily, so easily.
	And all you have to do is look at Obama's birth certificate for that.
	But beyond that, you know, it's more important to really understand that we, you have to see the way I look at humans, we have so much more going on than what we have even been told about ourselves, let alone what they understand about us.
	And that's...
	I don't want to get into my whole lecture.
	So I'm sort of going into that land.
	But to answer your question...
	So I'm not a person who thinks disclosure from a government is even going to be the truth.
	I don't think governments are even capable of telling you the truth.
	I think that they just lie...
	As routine.
	That's how they operate.
	Because they are working on a culture of secrecy.
	And they have been doing that for so long.
	And that means not just one government.
	So not just the British government, the US government, the Russians.
	And the Russians, my God, are not angels.
	Suddenly they're angels on the world stage.
	I mean, this is ludicrous.
	You know, you've got to go back in history and think about these people.
	You can't go to China and suddenly think that the Chinese are the good guys.
	You have to remember Tiananmen Square.
	You have to wrap your mind around these different governments.
	They're going to lie to you.
	So how they spin disclosure...
	It's going to be probably a travesty from my point of view.
	But then, you know, I'm the fringe of the fringe.
	You know what I mean?
	I'm the most...
	I mean, Stephen Bassett said to me, well, yeah, you know, because I said, you know, look, I've got this whistleblower and that whistleblower and this, you know, and I've got the goods.
	I mean, I've got the real goods.
	As far as I'm concerned, Camelot was there first and we really have the stuff.
	But he wouldn't let any of my witnesses speak at the citizens' hearing for disclosure.
	He said, no, people aren't ready.
	They can't handle that.
	You know, maybe next time.
	And so what happened was really interesting.
	At that citizens' hearing for disclosure, and I attended it in person, and what I watched was a transformation that happened to these ex-Congress people who were on stage on a panel as judges, so to speak, of this material and of this testimony that they were getting.
	And it was like the middle of the second day, and these people were already getting up to speed and starting to ask the people out there, you know, well, who's in charge and who's really in charge and what do they really want?
	And they were starting to ask the hard questions that, you know, Steve said they weren't ready for.
	You know, the fact of the matter is, is that people are going to get up to speed even because, through osmosis, Through what we've done here, through the field of resonance that has gone out around the globe from awakened people.
	So the people are going to get up to speed so quickly, and what we're finding now is, as we go to these conferences, the audiences are more up to speed than the people on the stage recognize.
	And a lot of times they're talking down to the audience, but the audience is like bored stiff and is like, get over it.
	And I mean, I watched this at, um...
	You should get yourself.
	Yeah.
	I was at the UFO Congress, and not to name any names, although I am.
	And I can tell you that Timothy Goode got halfway through his presentation.
	They knocked off his audio, they knocked off his video, and they wouldn't let him continue.
	Basically, he couldn't go any further.
	Um...
	And the bottom line is that there were certain parties in the audience that didn't want this man to continue.
	Why?
	Because he was peppering his talk, which was quite tame, but very fascinating.
	As you know, he's an excellent British researcher with a huge track record and books and so on and so forth.
	And what happened was he was peppering his talk periodically by saying, Well, they don't have a positive agenda.
	They're actually seeing us as prey.
	He wasn't using those words, but the gist of what he was saying was that there are dangerous entities out there and that we need to be prepared for that.
	And they didn't like it.
	They didn't want that message out there.
	And I'm certain that they took him down because of it.
	Now, let me say that I had gotten to him before they did.
	So I did an interview with him a few hours before he went on stage and did his presentation.
	So you will get a much more direct and much more sort of in-depth discussion if you watch my interview with Timothy Goodes, so I encourage you to do that.
	I know this is a very long-winded answer.
	I'm glad you're discussing this, actually, because it takes a lot of words and a lot of information to actually explain that the implications of this secret are something that, I think some people in the ex-politics movement underestimate that, as much as I respect what they do, and I like the guys.
	I was speaking to Bryce Sable about this.
	He made a TV show called Dark Skies, and he said, well, he said it's possible that He said that if there was a threat, then we might just have to forgive the government and just unite behind the enemy.
	And I said, well, maybe they will say that there's a threat just for that reason, whether there's a real threat or not.
	But Bryce, like Richard Dolan, who you interviewed as well, they just kind of think that honesty is something that we can kind of persuade the government to adopt if we ask them nice enough, or if we're tough enough with them.
	And I don't agree with that.
	Yeah, I appreciate it.
	You're going to be speaking at the conference?
	Not me personally, no.
	Just at this event, I'm co-hosting the show with Sarah, because I'm a colleague of hers on Critical Mass Radio.
	Alright, so, well, I would be interested to hear some more from you, so maybe we'll I'll be glad to carry it.
	Thank you.
	He's a brilliant guest.
	He sounds like he's got an interesting mind.
	Anyway, what I would say is, absolutely, Bryce Zabel in Dark Skies, he had inside knowledge to do that TV show.
	He stated that as much.
	In fact, I think his partner, and I forget his partner's name, there's a team that did that.
	Fascinating, because it was way back when, and...
	I think that they really had some very important, you know, disclosure, very important information that was fueling that show.
	And I think that's an excellent, excellent series.
	So if you haven't seen it, I highly recommend it.
	And fascinatingly enough, it does go into the history of MJ-12.
	And really kind of shows you and lets you sort of go through that world in which what would be the world of MJ-12?
	How did it get created and then how did it operate back in those early days?
	And it really answers those questions and it's fascinating in that regard.
	So I highly recommend it.
	He looks like I've got a bit of an introduction.
	Okay, this is Kira.
	Literally just stood up the bus.
	Karen has got MRI scams indicating he is a cyborg.
	Not indicating, I am.
	Okay, so, Sarah, sorry to gate crash.
	No, this is what it's all about.
	No, no, you stay there, Kerry.
	You stay there.
	You stay there.
	If you want to carry your eye.
	You're right.
	Literally, you're holding my...
	So I've got a gentleman just turned off my radio, isn't he?
	I've got a gentleman just turned off on my radio, Kieran.
	Do you want to give me a surname or not?
	Kieran Perry.
	And he's joined us on stage with Kieran Fassidy.
	This gentleman is basically a cyborg.
	So I'll hand you over for a conversation between you and Kieran.
	I'll let you get on with it.
	Yeah, go for it, Kieran.
	Go for it, Kieran.
	Because I'm sure my listeners would rather hear you interviewing him than me interviewing him.
	Not necessarily.
	I think we can make it griefer also.
	Yeah, go for it.
	Hi, Maury.
	I'm here.
	Literally just, as I keep saying, trust in today and beg your pardon.
	I'm good, yourself.
	All right, yes.
	Excellent, actually.
	I'm happy to be here, and I think it's a very nice venue, Myles.
	Congratulations.
	Well, the important thing is that this guy's going to have proof that he's got implants in his head.
	All right.
	The National Press have interviewed me, launched an investigation, concluded that...
	He's one of the speakers.
	...they've been backed by medical professionals.
	Their actual census issued with a D-notice.
	Oh, okay.
	Who got a D-notice?
	The newspaper.
	Because they interviewed you?
	Because they were going to write about me out.
	Okay, but they didn't actually do it yet?
	They were prevented, yeah.
	Really?
	Okay, can you tell us about your implants, where they are?
	Sorry, I'm not...
	We know that they can hear you, but you know what they can.
	Oh, gotcha.
	Right, okay, by the way, I'll try.
	Okay, so I wanted to know where your implants are.
	Were you aware of them before you were tested for them?
	No, a doctor informed me what was wrong with me.
	A doctor at King's College Hospital in London.
	I suspected something was wrong, very wrong.
	That's what I'm here to talk about, to be frank.
	But literally, from my head to my feet, I've got cochlear implants in the bony lumps behind my ear here.
	These are connected by microwiring.
	And I've got another, excuse me, here at the base of my spine as well.
	But the wiring continues down my legs, all the way down.
	Underneath my feet, it comes through my arms.
	So quite literally, I've got, you know, you could describe it as like a matchstick man inside of me.
	But an accumulation of wet wear, they call it, at the back of my head and below my brain.
	The MRI scan has got clearly shown probes as well, inserted into the sutures of my brain.
	And from all the research I've done, people I've spoke to, this is military technology.
	It's mind control technology.
	Right.
	Well, let me ask you, had you had any sort of, I don't know, episodes or things that made you question yourself, question where things were coming from?
	How did you get in this position?
	Do you want to tell us your story?
	Well, this is a very very complex Question.
	I mean, in my mid-thirties I owned my own company in the corporate media sector.
	I owned a head-hunting agency.
	Things began to get rather...
	Well, the manipulation was something that I'd been explaining to people for years.
	I was claiming my life had been manipulated since I was a child.
	I did seem to have, you know, well, I do have a great deal of, a lot of attributes, shall we say.
	I'm a very talented person in certain ways.
	In others, not at all, but I'm quite creative, very creative.
	A good salesman, basically, a board-level salesperson.
	But I was meeting people all over the place that knew who I was, and I didn't know who they were.
	And over a period of time, I began to sort of like rumble things, to be frank with you for want of a better phrase.
	Um, And where do we start, though?
	This is the difficulty.
	I mean, I literally have just got off the bus.
	I'm expecting to be sat out here.
	and I'm just just in front of it.
	But, yeah, I've known for about nine years that this technology is inside of me and I've tested it for the hills.
	I mean, the police where I live know me first name terms.
	As far as they're concerned, I'm a military issue.
	I'm beyond civil law, beyond the jurisdiction.
	I've had medical professionals.
	Well, let me stop you there and I appreciate that.
	But, you know, I'm going to stop you along the way so that I can ask you good questions to clarify it.
	When you say that the police know your military issue, how did they find Welcome to my show!
	A targeted individual.
	Does anybody here know what one of those is?
	Sorry, Charles.
	You do?
	Are you familiar with this phenomena?
	Well, that's what I am.
	I'm not here just for myself.
	I'm here to talk about a lot of other people around the world.
	A lot of people that I've kind of, in my own words, bust the bucket to a degree because I've convinced not only doctors, police officers, solicitors, the media industry, just about everybody right across the board, that I'm legitimate and I can prove it.
	But that doesn't mean to say that I'm getting any help whatsoever because I'm flatly denied any medical attention.
	What we're dealing with here is a technological concentration camp in which human beings are being used as guinea pigs basically.
	With regards to myself, it's a lot more complex, I believe, as do a lot of the journalists I've met with, most of whom have spent, you know, over two decades, some of them have spent researching military black ops and the like, and none of I've never played one, but most of you will have at least seen a Nintendo Wii, where you can move and he does it on the screen or you can play the game on the screen.
	I can literally be taking control of it.
	I've experienced this, I do experience it from time to time.
	To answer your question before, one of the first signs I got was that I was speaking words that weren't my own.
	There was no ideation.
	Literally, these words, I was spilling them off.
	I mean, quite lengthy phrases at times.
	And I'd just be turning my head, going, where did that come from?
	Gradually, you know, I became aware of what it is I'm thinking.
	Sorry, Miles, I'm a beautiful person.
	I really am.
	Let me try and hold it near one.
	Can I just tell you that your story is very familiar with me because I've helped targeted individuals because of my background in counselling.
	Sure.
	And I can back up a lot of what you're saying here, like with other people.
	I met with an entire team of psychiatric workers a couple of years ago.
	They brought in specialist doctors to meet with me, psychologists, psychiatrists.
	Again, they concluded I was beyond their entire educations.
	I educated them.
	They had no idea what I was talking about.
	The system of abuse, they did.
	I got this much out of them.
	They had professional constraints put on them and were told that they were not allowed to discuss the technology with me, only the pain I deal with, which was useless, essentially.
	I mean, who wants to talk about pain when you know what the cause of the pain is?
	So that ended there, but, you know, as far as I was concerned, that was the result, because they were off my back, because they tried to lock me up.
	Well, they have done, not fabricated evidence, you know, drug me up on them.
	The most horrendous substance issue you can imagine.
	I went through months and months of psychological persecution, all designed to destroy my mind.
	Did you do this voluntarily?
	Let me say that I am one of those people.
	I guess you don't know who I am, right?
	I'll just read up on you, but I'm afraid of it.
	Oh, well, because I interview super soldiers and they are you plus some.
	Okay, so, and there are many people, I mean, this is gonna maybe be surprising to some people listening, but everyone has implants at this point.
	I mean, there are millions of implants in people, and some people have multiple implants.
	A friend of mine went through an airport scanner not long ago, and they actually saw so many implants in his body That he said, well, what are those?
	And they were all, you know, it was one of those body scanners and they were lighting up all over his body, all these little...
	And the people in the TSA didn't even know what it was.
	And it was implants.
	His body was full of them.
	I mean, you know, I mean, you're not that unusual.
	Now, what is unusual is that you're aware of it.
	That you became aware of it and that you're trying to...
	In a sense, take control of it or fight it.
	You see, that's why the sort of psychologists or psychiatrists will be interested in you.
	Not because you have them.
	I mean, for you, maybe you think this is strange, you have this.
	In my world, it's not strange at all.
	This is the world we're going towards.
	In fact, there's nano in the chemtrails right now, which is getting in people, and this is going to extend their ability to control you.
	I mean, and I've got testimony to this effect by people who've been working in black projects for, you know, most of their lives.
	So what you have in your body is not that strange.
	Now, you can have it interfered with.
	No, I appreciate that, but you know what I'm saying?
	I mean, I'm just saying that there are others.
	There are many others.
	Yeah, and so what we're really talking about is the amazing ability of a human in other words, the spirit to supersede that because you're actually interfering with that and becoming too aware of it.
	In a sense, you are able to possibly fight back.
	That's exactly who I am.
	As I said to you, I've literally just been thrust into things here.
	I'm trying to tell myself now to keep things, you know, within certain parameters because there's an awful lot about me that, to be frank, I wouldn't talk about just yet.
	You'll be aware of what, for instance, synthetic telepathy is.
	I deal with this all the time.
	The lead consultants amongst the doctors that interviewed me a couple of years ago, when they, to close the meeting, they said, we've only got one question for you, and that is, how on earth are you dealing with this?
	Because you should need our help.
	Ninety seconds.
	I said to them, well, the answer to that is irrational, and I expect synthetic telepathy to them.
	I've been in contact with military intelligence for years.
	I literally am a psychological warfare operative.
	I was created because of this issue.
	To bring them to my board, or at least play a part in bringing them to my board, and they're the ones that keep me intact.
	This is fascism, I'm afraid, and I'm from a family, as I'm sure a lot of you are, where your relatives and people from all over the This is what Winston Churchill spoke about.
	If we don't stop them, this is what they're going to do, and they've gone ahead and done it, and this is what we're dealing with today.
	Can I interrupt you, because we can carry this on.
	What time's your show starting?
	Well, 8 o'clock...
	So we'll make a quick turnover, so we can have you back on again and talk about this.
	But just meanwhile, so thank you very much for my listeners on Critical Mass Radio.
	It's been fantastic.
	We've really been talking to you.
	Thank you for being here.
	Thank you for being here.
	Thank you for a mile.
	Thank you for everybody.
	Thank you, Paul.
	Are you still there?
	I am.
	Thank you very much, guys.
	I hope you all have a fantastic weekend.
	Well done.
	Thank you, Miriam, as well.
	Brilliant, Paul.
	We've got ten seconds left.
	Thank you.
	See you all next week.
	Well done, everybody.
	Thank you.
	Thank you very much, everybody.
	That's me, Finney.
	Thank you.
	That's what's going to be here.
	We'll hop to get her on the headset because we're going to start in a couple of minutes.
	Thank you very much, everybody. - Okay.
	Maybe we should take a quick break and then, for people, just a few minute break and then get back to it.
	What do you think, Miles?
	There are some free donuts and biscuits outside.
	Not too much, but don't everybody rush.
	Thank you.
	Nice to meet you.
	Thank you.
	Hi, how are you?
	I was supposed to be confused.
	After that, I was on the point.
	...was on stage, so it's kind of crazy.
	Thank you.
	And I've got this new kind of microphone set up going on so hopefully my voice will be I'll write for my Revolution Radio Show, which is what this is going to be later tonight.
	And what this means is that I'm not supposed to have to stay up at 3 in the morning.
	I can just ship it off to them.
	They can put it broadcast live.
	And they'll be sort of experiencing the BASIS conference from wherever they are around the world, really.
	And so that's kind of what we want to do.
	We want to allow people to hear...
	Bits and pieces from different speakers if we can during this hour and even longer.
	My actual show is usually two hours, so we do have some time here if people are willing and want to stick around or not.
	Depends how it goes.
	So, first of all, let me find out before I kind of really get launching here.
	How many of the speakers are here in the room?
	If you're a speaker on the conference, could you raise your hand so I kind of know where you are in the audience?
	So we've got two over there.
	Anybody else?
	Kind of got eyes.
	That's it.
	So only two speakers are in the audience.
	And then we have this gentleman who just joined us that we're going to bring on.
	And what was your name, sir?
	Healing?
	Healing.
	Very interesting discussion we were having, and we'll try to get back to that as soon as possible.
	So I guess I've only got two of the speakers, and I was hoping we might...
	Sorry?
	I'm getting Mary Rodwell.
	Oh, very good.
	Okay, so looks like maybe Mary Rodwell is here, and we can bring her in, and that would be great.
	I'd just like to bring up each speaker for, you know, ten minutes or so, talk about what you're going to be talking about over the weekend, and try to give a rundown.
	That would be really nice to hear.
	And so we're going to start out with Sarah Goodley.
	Okay?
	Did I say it right?
	Okay.
	So we want to get you mic'd.
	Okay, we're trying to get the mics happening here.
	So I'm going to give each speaker a bit of time and introduce them and let them talk a little bit about what they're going to be talking about over the weekend.
	And we are at the First International Basis Conference.
	This is a conference being organized by Miles Johnston.
	And we've got a lovely menu here at Marlboro...
	Marlborough College.
	Marlborough College here in England.
	And so I want to welcome everyone here and thank you, Sarah, for joining us.
	Can you tell us about your background, a bit about your background, and then after that tell us what you might cover tomorrow?
	Well, my background was in complementary therapy for a lot of years and then I went and did a course in counseling children and young people to a master's degree level.
	And at the same time, I had my finger in a lot of pies and I was chair of governors at the school and I started noticing the anomalies in life, if you like, and the reason why I went off and did my master's degree, because when I was chair of governors, No one was really taking any notice of what I was saying, so I thought if I got that, then people would.
	And then I realised that the glass ceiling coming down was going to mean that people were never going to...
	The ones that would matter, anyway, were never going to listen because I was saying things that people didn't want to hear.
	So that was really my background.
	And when I sort of dropped out for a little while of...
	Basically enabling people to steal children, i.e.
	the state.
	It was my job as a children's counsellor.
	I started to realise what it was being used for.
	And then I started looking into a lot of other things.
	And it took me the alternative research path, if you like, and I started working with my sister, who was the midwife.
	If you can imagine the children's counsellor and the midwife working together.
	We were both doing a master's degree at the same time and we noticed that things were overlapping in the attachment area and again we both started noticing that things weren't right in the relevant systems we were working in which was health, midwifery education and social care and started noticing what agendas really were coming down and how So really that's the background.
	And what I'm going to be talking about tomorrow will be basically about epigenetics, which is a real, quite suppressed science.
	Everybody should be knowing about epigenetics because it makes a hell of a difference.
	It makes a real difference as to environmentally how we are all affected and how our children are affected and how the children are being changed and modified by what's going on.
	So that should be a word on everybody's lips looking at that.
	It's not.
	So I'm interested why people aren't.
	Okay, maybe you can explain that term a little more for people to understand.
	It's not like a buzzword at the moment.
	No, it should be.
	It really should be.
	Because epigenetics encompasses everything about who we are really.
	It's the information Coming from the environment that goes into our bodies and affects every cell in our body.
	And rather than it taking all teen generations for things to alter when we're being affected by the environment, it happens within two generations.
	And there's things that are affected and changes immediately happen within our bodies.
	But also that genetic code through the eggs and the sperm go into the next generation very quickly and create the mutations.
	And rather than, as Darwin thought it was, where people talk generation after generation after generation for genetic mutations to occur and it was those genetic mutations that Would then survive.
	Environment, that's not what happens.
	Environment creates mutations.
	Okay, so did you work at all with autistic children, for example?
	Yeah, I worked with autistic children.
	Basically, I've worked with children in very extreme poverty.
	And so that encompassed children suffering from all sorts of problems, environmental and monetary.
	And did you find, for example, I don't know if you went down this road, but in terms of radiation exposure of the parents, then resulting in possibly genetic changes in the children, such as autism, which ends up to create what we call precogs in children.
	And there have been studies done in this way.
	I wondered if you crossed into any of that material.
	What I'm noticing when you start hearing the stories and the birth stories of the mothers and the children, it's not just one thing that creates autism.
	It's a bit like a car crash.
	It's not one thing that causes a car crash.
	It's this condition and that condition and this condition and this condition.
	So if you take together the environment conception, if you take especially environment in early pregnancy, if you take the stress conception, And what stresses that she's opposed to, both physical and emotional stress and environmental stress.
	Birth practices are massively to do with this.
	Syntocin is artificial oxytocin.
	I'll be talking about that tomorrow.
	So the artificial syntocin that they use to reduce labour blocks off the natural oxytocin.
	So that's a lot of my sister's work.
	When you're blocking off the natural oxytocin, the mother and baby bond isn't happening as well as it should be.
	And then you add to that the radiation from cell phones, from Fukushima, from everything else, and add to that vaccinations, and add to that taking children away from families at a very early age to put them into nursery, then you can start to see why these things are happening.
	Okay, so when you say epigenetics, you're really talking about genetics plus environment plus whatever, you know, exposure.
	You could even be talking in a multidimensional sense, could you not?
	You could be, and you're talking about food.
	What the proof is that you're talking about food, you're talking about medicine, you're talking about everything that...
	Chemtrails.
	Chemtrails.
	You're talking about pesticides, you're talking about all these things.
	I'll be affecting the next generation.
	That's what I'm going to be talking about tomorrow.
	Alright, so in terms of the study of this, though, it seems like a relatively new way of looking at things and a new discipline.
	Does it have, and then, like, is it being investigated in colleges and Well, it's been investigated by...
	There's two people that investigate...
	Not two people, but two kinds of people investigating it.
	There's the kind of people that are trying to get it for drug use.
	So, to get drugs to alter your epigenetics.
	And there are people like us in the alternative research who are investigating it.
	To look at what is out there that is affecting our next generation, which is where I sit.
	Okay.
	What about children, looking at children that are already existing with whatever conditions they have?
	Is there a look back over the sort of epigenetic history of a child In order to find the roots of causes of...
	That is the new research, if you like, that's happening, but it's not being reported.
	Okay.
	And there's co-studies being done on rats and small mammals, etc., that are bearing out the same things.
	And, again, it's...
	There's fantastic studies being done on mothers who were pregnant at the time of 9-11 and their children.
	Very interesting.
	Very interesting stuff that's coming out.
	Yeah, so trauma-based.
	Trauma-based, yeah.
	And it's interesting that...
	With epigenetics, everything that we think, feel, experience, are subjected to, goes into the next generation, and the generation after, and the generation after that.
	So really, our history, every one of our ancestors is within us.
	And that's the whole thing with epigenetics.
	So that's why we are so different.
	And when we go into the sort of stuff that you look into...
	That is interesting why our genetics are so important, why our genetic history is so important to some of these entities.
	Well, also, I mean, I don't know if you've looked at this, but things like where you live in terms of whether you live in what I would call, say, a portal or a vortex environment.
	I don't know if you're looking at anything like ley lines, what they, groundwater.
	You know, I did this very interesting interview with Perry Vila, who looks at, you know, the groundwater.
	Well, they put using scalar weaponry, and it depends how the water is spun to how it affects cities, how it affects consciousness in areas, and that, you know, what we're finding out is that the...
	The very rich, the very wealthy are living in areas where the groundwater is spun in a positive way, whereas the poor are living in areas where the ley lines in the groundwater is negatively charged.
	Not negatively in the sense of positive.
	You know what I mean?
	So it's a negative charge and what happens is it affects behavior.
	A mother or a child, you know, mother's pregnant.
	So a woman is pregnant, living in an environment like that.
	That's one thing.
	Another thing would be a child growing up in an environment like that.
	All of this is going to be affecting them.
	So it gets into the environment, but it's environment sort of...
	On steroids in a certain way.
	It's environment plus.
	It's environment plus energy plus a lot of things.
	Energetics.
	Energetics, yes.
	It's massive and they're doing some fantastic research on this.
	But why are we not hearing about it?
	Yeah.
	Why are they not screaming this information from the rooftops?
	Because it's so important.
	And I wonder whether it's because if people knew how important their environment was to them and their...
	Their genome.
	Their whole genome.
	And for every living being that is in their line after them.
	But the other important thing is that when we have this information, we can change that.
	We can change the negative epigenetics, if you like.
	We have the ability to make a difference to our next generation.
	And it is a bit like, you know, when you've got a dysfunctional family, but some of the elements of the family is great.
	It's fantastic.
	And when you know, when you realise and when you research your own family, you can decide what you want your next generation to inherit and what you don't want them to inherit.
	And I suppose that's the crossroads where myself and my sister are at the moment because we've started with our own family.
	That's what got us interested.
	And we do say it stops here.
	All the negative stuff stops here.
	And we want to pass on some fantastic qualities that our family have inherited.
	Amazing, amazing qualities.
	Now that's why I'm here.
	We're doing what I'm doing.
	And hopefully making a difference.
	that's come from a long line of really kick-ass women in our family that have defied everything, and been doctors and been pharmacists and been dentists and all sorts of times when women didn't do that sort of stuff.
	So, you know, there's some real fantastic energies that have come from our genetics that have brought us here, but also some really destructive stuff, really horrible, destructive stuff.
	We want to leave.
	We don't want to take on to the next generation.
	And that's the important thing about epigenetics, that you can make that choice when you know the information.
	Great.
	Well, it's great to hear some people are out there working in this area, bringing these ideas forward.
	I think that this will spark a In the audience.
	Have you written a book?
	No, I'm too lazy to write a book.
	It's your epigenetic history.
	I really should write a book.
	You should.
	I hope that you will at some point because this does sound absolutely fascinating and I think it could help people a lot.
	It's time that we start realizing how this is part of being multidimensional.
	This is part of understanding all the things that go into making a person who they are.
	And the other thing is also reversing the spin.
	Because if you understand what spin is all about, and going in a positive versus a negative way, and why meditation is important, as a matter of fact, in being a tool to do that, you can change, literally change your DNA. But you can also open up this junk DNA that we have inside of us.
	So that's a whole other part of that.
	And talk about DNA that we don't even know we have, so to speak.
	So this is where it should really be going.
	Well, thank you.
	I've spent a little time with you here.
	Hopefully people are getting a glimpse into what you're going to talk about tomorrow.
	Thank you very much, Kerry.
	Thank you for inviting me on for a few minutes.
	Sure.
	And I know you have to go, so I'm not going to keep you.
	Otherwise, I would pepper you with all kinds of questions.
	But I'll invite you to come back on my radio show.
	Okay?
	So please, let's set that up.
	Yeah, well, come on with my sister and the two of us together.
	A bit of magic happens then.
	All right.
	Excellent.
	Thank you very much.
	Thank you very much.
	Okay, so at this point, I guess we could go with you and we could interview you.
	Your first name's Ben?
	Ben.
	Yeah.
	Can you hear me?
	Because I've got a different microphone.
	All right.
	Can we hear him?
	Because we want to make sure to be able to hear my guests.
	So Ben, I want you to give your whole name and go right ahead.
	My full name's Ben Hemling-Jones.
	I'm sort of like the director of Hospital Paws Against the New World Order.
	She's just like a website and other things like that.
	But I mean, I'm just, I suppose I'm, I grew up, I come from West Wales originally and I lived most of my life in Oxford, in England, where a famous university is.
	I did several jobs when I finished school and I eventually became a hospital porter, which I did for most of my life.
	What is a hospital porter?
	In America, the nearest job equivalent is an orderly in the United States.
	I suppose over the course of my life, I've come to realise that the world isn't quite what we think it is, and there are lots of mysteries and conspiracies out there that exist and are kept from us.
	Most people are not aware of them.
	This was built up over time.
	I began...
	I'll give you so many different examples.
	So many different examples.
	I started to remember things about my own past.
	For instance, during my childhood, I had many strange visitors.
	This began when I was a small child, my mother did a degree in psychology.
	Now, I don't mind using the sort of conformist patronizing language of normality, but my mum was nothing special, air quotes.
	She was a cinema rusherette, so she wasn't what a conformist world would consider special or elite.
	She went to a university to study psychology, and she ended up qualifying as a counsellor, which she did for the remainder of her life.
	But she came, once she was at university, she came across an old lady, and this old lady became her closest friend, and was continuously visiting our house.
	This is an old lady who she adored, but who was very, very nasty towards me.
	And it was only many, many years later I found out that this lady was a She's actually one of the founders of the Tavistock Institute.
	You're kidding?
	Yeah.
	Oh, wow.
	Fascinating.
	Okay.
	I just wondered what she was doing hanging around our family.
	Yes.
	Very, very nice.
	Absolutely.
	And the way she treated me as well.
	Yeah.
	Extremely unusual.
	Wow.
	Well, you know, I am quite interested in you.
	I have to say, you do have an interesting aura.
	And I'm not surprised that you are an investigator.
	So you were an investigator's I said, yeah, that's when I set up a panel on my website.
	And I suppose this was a culmination of various incidents and revelations that happened throughout my life, like the one I've told you about.
	But also, I've always been interested in space and rockets.
	I was quite passionate about it at one time.
	I used to read science fiction a lot.
	And then I found out from reading a book that the moon landed Disbelief and then, eventually, curiosity.
	And that set me off the course of just investigating other things, for instance, unidentified flying objects and aliens.
	And let me say here that you are on the radio for over two years with Sarah Goodley, who we've just had here.
	That's right.
	We have separate shows.
	I do the Panama show.
	She does the Iraq women's show.
	But we have collaborated several times now.
	Sometimes we co-host the same show.
	All right.
	Now, just...
	I know we're kind of jumping back here, but...
	So I don't want to lose this woman who started the Tavistock Institute.
	Because this is just amazing stuff.
	But I also want to deal with you.
	So, you know, I want to try to keep these two things through life.
	These two lines of very developing subject matter here going.
	So this woman mistreated you even though she was a guest in your house, right?
	She was...
	She was emotionally abusive, yeah, I would say emotionally abusive.
	Wow.
	Were you like a precocious child or were you something, you know, unusual when you were a child?
	I suppose I was somebody who didn't always fit in.
	I was often, the other kids at school used to make jokes about me a lot.
	I remember that.
	I did have friends, but I had a lot of people who didn't seem to like me.
	I mean, just because I was kind of unusual.
	I don't recall being malevolent to anybody else.
	I don't recall being hostile to anybody else or harming them in any way.
	Yet, I experienced hostility myself.
	And I got the feeling that this hostility came out of my inability or unwillingness to conform to certain unwritten social standards.
	So this is something I've continued studying throughout my life.
	Well just in terms of genetics, what's your heritage?
	Is your family from England initially?
	Well my father is Bristol Welsh, which means he's part of the Welsh Traveled to England.
	They met when my mother traveled to England once and got to know my dad.
	Was he in the military?
	Oh, no.
	Not at all?
	No.
	What did you do?
	Do you mind my asking?
	Me, in terms of...
	What did your father do, like, for a living?
	As a controller.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Interesting.
	So, okay, so your mother found this, like, newfound fascination with psychology when you were a young child?
	Yeah.
	And she studied it.
	She...
	She decided to go to university and become a mature student and study psychology.
	I'm just wondering because the way I look at things is that they're watching you.
	They're watching your family.
	They're targeting you for some reason.
	I wondered that myself.
	I didn't know who this lady was when I was a child.
	It was actually only years later that I... I mean, it just can't be accidental.
	It's just...
	I wouldn't...
	You know, I just can't believe it's accidental.
	Although, you know, who knows?
	But the bottom line is that that's why asking...
	You know, when I'm asking these questions, I'm really trying to go down that road of how did they know to befriend, have this woman befriend...
	Your mother, what was the history there?
	Was there a history in the family?
	Were there people who maybe were in psychology in Holland, you know, in the psychological fields, or in the military?
	You know, usually there's a link up somewhere.
	In the family tree or something they've been watching, some pattern.
	She may have been observing you more than your mother.
	Did that occur to you?
	This is what I've been trying to work out.
	My mum's dead now.
	She died in 2006.
	My dad is not somebody I can actually talk to about these subjects.
	I see.
	He's somebody who's very straight and narrow.
	He kind of makes things sound a bit crazy, actually.
	So does my brother.
	So does my brother members of my family.
	I'm sure I'm not.
	Am I the only one who has that experience?
	No, I'm sure I'm not.
	I mean, it's great that you're not into radio, you know, with your background, you know, just the way you're talking about it, because, I don't know, an orderly in a hospital, this is what you did for a living, right?
	Yeah, I did it with great pride.
	Yeah.
	And I called my website organisation, although I'm the only member so far, Hospitals Against the New World Order.
	Well, there's a man who's just died, actually, called Jack McAlan.
	And he had a group called Police Against the New World Order.
	So I thought, if policemen can have an organisation against the New World Order, why not hospital quarters?
	So that's my rationale, you know.
	Okay, fair enough.
	So, okay, so you have a radio show, and you also write a blog, didn't you tell me that?
	Yeah, I've been doing that for longer.
	I've been doing that since 2006.
	I see.
	And I've got a YouTube channel as well.
	You do?
	I make films.
	Like yourself, I do various films.
	Great.
	So is there anything, I mean, because you brought, you were sort of asking me a couple questions on the show earlier, and it was just the way you asked the question and what you were sort of saying about, you know, we were talking about Stephen Bassett and disclosure and the whole idea that, you know, some people, like you were mentioning, Bryce Zabel and Rich Dolan, that they might feel that they could persuade the powers that be On some level.
	And I was, you know, basically saying that I kind of felt that if they're part of government, that part of government's job is to lie, so that it was absolutely hopeless to expect disclosure to contain much truth.
	But they would spin it, in essence.
	Because that's their job.
	That's what they do.
	They live in a world of secrecy.
	And even if you take out secrecy, That we're going to end up with just sort of a different brand of secrecy, but it's still going to be their brand.
	Yeah.
	If it's a government.
	And they put out false information as well.
	Yeah.
	I mean, for instance, there's the famous alien autopsy film that came in 1996, I believe, which was found out to be fraud.
	It came out just two years before another one came out, which was a lot more convincing from Russia.
	Right.
	And I sometimes think to myself, well...
	If that original alien-adopted autopsy film had not come out, and it had been so famously discredited and so well-known to everybody, what if the Russian one had come out first?
	Because as soon as people saw that Russian one, they thought, no, not another fake alien video.
	We've had enough of those already.
	We know all about it!
	So I'm kind of thinking that maybe the fake one came out first in order to kind of diffuse any perspective, you know, prospectively any interest that might emerge.
	Well, it might interest you to know that I've actually been told that that so-called fake alien film...
	It has some real elements to it.
	There's a disclosure witness, you know, a secret witness, you know, that they had to take it down and on all this kind of, that there was a trading and there was a payoff that happened beyond the scenes and all kinds of stuff to make it look like it was fake.
	This is, I mean, it's like, you know, what do you say, like, you know, it's the layers of the onion where they're lying on one level and they're telling a bit of a truth on the other and then they're lying again And they're twisting it so many times.
	By the time it gets out there, you know, you don't know if you're coming or going or what's going on.
	So, yeah, I mean, I appreciate what you're saying there.
	It is interesting in terms of disclosure.
	I think there's a really fascinating dynamic going on between disclosure coming from Russia and disclosure coming from the U.S. and how they spin it, like, you know, one way from one place and one way from another.
	And I'm not going to bring up, but there was a recent example of this that was glaring to me.
	It was sent to me, and it was a Russian documentary.
	And, you know, I mean, supposedly millions of people saw this and believed every word of it like it was true or something.
	And yet, from my perspective of all the information, For bringing up Men in Black, I mean, that's another piece of information.
	I mean, Men in Black is, in essence, more true than a lot of the, you know, alien or sci-fi movies that we think, you know, as much as that's like a joke.
	You saw the one with Will Smith and those, that's definitely a joke.
	It seems like a joke, but it's actually more true than you'd realize.
	But it's presented in a way that...
	So it's true to be told, dressed up in a clown's costume.
	Yes, exactly.
	So, I mean, this is what we're dealing with.
	Well, you live near Oxford, correct?
	So did you go to Oxford?
	University?
	Yeah.
	No.
	Not everybody in Oxford does.
	All right.
	You're not the first person to ask me that, especially from the United States.
	I didn't think because you lived there that you went there.
	I just simply, because you brought it up, I just wondered if then you went there.
	No.
	No, it's just, is it so shocking that I would ask you when you went there?
	Not really.
	It's just, I think some people may, certain people from outside this country think that that's all there is in Oxford.
	It's actually just one park, Oxford.
	No, but it is interesting.
	So you lived in Oxford, and, you know, I mean...
	Because again, this kind of shows you the striations of society, right?
	Because, I don't know, did you apply?
	No.
	No?
	No, I was not very good at school.
	I really despised school.
	I was not, I was not terrible.
	I mean, I wouldn't say I wasn't bright, because there's a lot of intelligent people who are uneducatable.
	That's right.
	Being educated and being intelligent are two different things.
	Absolutely.
	You can know.
	Educated.
	Could be two different things if we could possibly go down that road, but I know that we don't normally.
	Normally, education is programming, and vice versa.
	So you might not be programmable.
	I mean, you know, a lot of learning.
	I mean, I think, what do doctors do to memorize every bone in the body?
	That's one of the tests they have to pass.
	I mean, this is what we're talking about.
	We're talking learning by road, you know, and that's considered to be brilliant.
	I know there's little children on the TV right now in British...
	There's some kind of British, you know, television series thing where they're saying all these lovely, bright children and their minds are just like computers and they can add up numbers, you know, like that and everything.
	And I... I just don't think that's strange.
	I just think that's normal.
	You know, I think that using your brain like a computer is not necessarily a good thing.
	You know, I mean, it's sweet that they do that, but I don't think it's necessarily the kind of intelligence in the multiverse that we're really looking for.
	It's very often about dumbing you and glinkering you and making you think in a certain way which is suitable to be controlled by the system.
	When David Icke spoke at the Oxford Union, which I couldn't get in there, unfortunately, to see him, but he said that he asked Because of the audience he was addressing, he understood that there were some concepts that they would not comprehend, that the people in, like, British Academy or Wembley or wherever he does his other speeches, the sort of, like, general or widespread diverse population would.
	And the reason is because their education made them less capable of comprehending these concepts.
	Right.
	Whereas education is supposed to make you, officially, education is supposed to make you more capable of comprehending everything.
	Exactly.
	Well, I mean, yeah, I mean, there's a whole sort of discussion we could go down that road for a really long time.
	You know, what I want to do here, because, you know, I've said we're going to have other guests here, we have some other speakers in the audience, so I want to bring them forward.
	So you're not speaking here this weekend, but you happen to be doing a radio show here.
	That's right.
	Just briefly.
	I'd love to have you back on.
	It's fascinating to talk to you.
	Me too.
	Is there anything that you You know, maybe there was something you'd like to talk to.
	This is going to be broadcast, in theory, around the world, but, you know, as a Project Camelot revolution radio show, and just let people know, first of all, your blog and your YouTube channel name and so on, but also any topic that you want to speak of.
	Sure, my blog is hpanwo.blogspot.com.
	The YouTube channel is Ben, B-E-N-T-H-E, J-R, Juliet Romeo, and Porter, P-O-R-T-O-R.
	And as I'm, I mean, there's so many things I could say, but I mean, there's, going back to the UFO thing, I mean, as I said, I just want to stress that, I mean, Stephen Bassett is a guy I like, he's...
	I've interviewed him about four or five times now, and I respect the man deeply.
	But the thing about disclosure, the government actually, the actual secrecy of UFOs has become, or maybe has always been, absolutely quintessential to the survival of the control system to a point where it cannot be told willingly, openly.
	And as you say, anything they do, they'll either say nothing at all or they'll spin something which is false.
	Because the implications are not only that the Earth is not this little oasis of life in this infinite cosmic desert.
	Because that's what it wants to think for some reason.
	There's nothing out there like in that film Contact.
	There's nothing out there.
	Just carbon compounds and no gases and you're wasting your time.
	But also it's the issue with free energy.
	Sure.
	The fact that we've had, I mean, it goes back to before Roswell.
	I mean, Nikola Tesla invented it 50, 60 years before Roswell.
	And if that had been released then, the world as we know it now would be unrecognizable to what it is today.
	And to say that, for instance, all the wars for oil were unnecessary.
	All the poverty, all the environmental destruction.
	It was all for nothing.
	It was just, no, it was necessary.
	Are they going to say, we meant to tell you, sorry.
	It just wouldn't work, would it?
	No.
	It's a secret too big to be told.
	Well, I'm not so sure about that.
	I mean, I know, I appreciate that it seems too big to be told, but it's being told every day, as you can appreciate.
	There are free energy activists and inventors out there, and they are multiplying, and, you know, I guess you know my, maybe you know M.T. Keshe?
	Yeah.
	And, but there is, I mean, Brian O'Leary, who was an ex-astronaut that was supposed to go to Mars, we interviewed him, and, um, He actually wrote a book about interviewing, going around the world and interviewing free energy inventors and activists years ago.
	And he himself has passed on just the last year or so.
	But, you know, I mean, so you can see that there's a progress.
	And a friend of mine just...
	progress coming from people acting independently, not through official government sanctions.
	In fact, the government will do everything they can to prevent that from happening as much as they can.
	I don't think they will.
	Obviously, I feel optimistic.
	I don't think they'll succeed in the long run, but they Well, there was a recent, I don't know, admission by NASA, supposedly, that they have an engine that is going to go out in space that supposedly has an ability to go beyond, I'm not sure what technique it's using, but supposedly it's going to, goes down along, I think, plasma energy, something along those lines.
	It was a recent announcement in some kind of paper somewhere.
	You know, so bits and pieces are coming.
	It will come out.
	I'm quite sure of that.
	But it is going to come.
	I mean, you know, it's coming from the people, in a sense.
	It's coming from the grassroots.
	Exactly.
	The pressure is just rising, as is consciousness.
	It's that pressure, the rising pressure of change that they actually have to try to keep up with and deal with.
	And what they'd like to do is put a lid on it, you know.
	And so they use journalists and all kinds of people to do so.
	But you're one of those sort of bits of light out there, sort of examining, investigating, and revealing truth where you can find it, right?
	I certainly hope I am, yes.
	That's what I've certainly tried to be.
	Excellent.
	Very nice to meet you.
	Thank you, Kerry, thank you.
	Okay, and yeah, I'd love to have you back on the show.
	I've been Is Kieran still here?
	And we'd like to get to you as soon as I... I think there's a couple people that are speakers that I just want to bring on briefly, so I don't want you to go away.
	You still there?
	Excellent.
	Okay.
	I'm one of the ears, but I'm here.
	Okay.
	I'm here as well.
	Oh, yeah.
	I'm here as well.
	I'm here as well, basically.
	Excellent.
	All right, well, great.
	All right, so Mary Rodwell, is she here in the audience?
	I'm here.
	Hi, Carrie.
	Hi.
	Thought that was you.
	Yeah.
	Fair enough.
	Thank you.
	Hi, Carrie.
	Oh, so, yeah.
	Whatever, Phil.
	You know, if you're good with that, great.
	If you're not, use that.
	That's fine.
	Oh, is it not?
	Okay, thank you.
	All right, that's perfect.
	Okay, so I'm not even sure how they're going to handle this on Revelation Radio, because they do have, they don't have commercials per se, but they have sort of breaks with information where people can sort of step away for a moment.
	So let's assume that there was some kind of break, but we're really...
	And I want to say that I've respected your work for a very long time, and I'm glad to know that you're here.
	I didn't even know you were going to be here when I found out I was going to speak at this conference.
	And don't you live in Australia?
	I do indeed, yes.
	So I'm over here for three conferences, and then in Paris.
	Oh, great.
	Maybe in Paris at some point, maybe, if we can get a venue set up, organized.
	I've got somebody working on that in the next couple weeks.
	But that's what I want to talk to you all about.
	So I want to talk to you about, first of all, your latest work and what you may be talking about over the weekend here, you know, if you can encapsulate that.
	And then, and also give yourself a brief introduction, however you'd like to do that.
	Well, for those that don't know, my background is nursing midwifery.
	I became a counsellor about 30 years ago and I actually worked in a medical practice here in Norfolk for about five years and then finally migrated to Australia because I decided that I had a midlife crisis and needed more sunshine.
	So I ended up in Perth, Western Australia for nearly 20 years.
	And it was actually there, after doing a lot of what I call the standard counselling, the everyday, I call human experiences, that a gentleman came to see me, and he's a gentleman some of you will know here, called Ellis Taylor.
	And it's his fault that I'm down the rabbit hole, so you can tell that.
	And he came to see me and he said, Mary, I've heard you're open-minded.
	For this, there's no support groups.
	For this, they just think you're a loony.
	And that was my introduction to the whole E.T. Conner, apart from the fact there were two books that I'd read.
	Two months, and you know about synchronicity.
	One was Whitney Streber's book, Cause Communion, and the other was Dr.
	John Mack's book, Abduction.
	And I thought, this must be really rare.
	But how fascinating.
	I've actually got my own case.
	And I took it to the Wesley, I was doing advanced counselling, took that as a case, being very brave to take this strange, weird story over to say he's crazy or whatever.
	And interestingly, and you'll be interested in this, they didn't actually say Ellis was crazy.
	What they did start to tell me was all their own weird and wonderful experiences.
	Which was fascinating.
	So that started me on my journey, and then I looked at John Mack's, his organization, an asset, the Academy of Clinical Close Encounter Therapists, you know, Barbara Lamb, and a number of other researchers there.
	And I decided Australia needed that as well.
	So I created ACERN, which is the Australian Close Encounter Resource Network.
	Ah, okay.
	Excellent.
	And you've also, haven't you written a couple books?
	Well, I've got two on the go, but I've written Awakening, which...
	For me, what worried me more than anything as a therapist was there were so many people isolated and alone that had nowhere to go with this.
	They didn't even know who to talk to and afraid that they talked to the conventional psychologists that they would be labeled and some of them probably thought they were going around the bend.
	And so my thought was, what can I provide that will offer them information that will help them through their process?
	Because it is a process.
	Every one of you who's had experiences knows it's the process of coming from the old reality to the one where you change or you accept that multidimensional part of your experiences.
	And so the book really wrote itself.
	It was all the questions everybody asked, like what do I do about the fear?
	How do I know I'm not crazy?
	What do I do about implants?
	I think I've had missing pregnancies.
	All those kind of things.
	And interestingly, you'll like this one.
	Is that when I was writing chapters, I always seemed to get phone calls about that chapter when I was writing it, which was quite fascinating.
	And I seemed to feel like I'd been sort of helpful much of the time.
	And Awakening for me was a way of helping more than anything else.
	Okay.
	Well, I think, correct me if I'm wrong, my understanding was that you also did something Well, yes, it unfolded that I realised that this was intergenerational and that whole families were having experiences.
	And, you know, I'm a mum and a grandma, and for me, what I found fascinating, I've noticed even with my own grandchildren, there seemed to be evidence that they were more aware, more cluey.
	But more than that, what the parents were telling me was some of the unusual things these children were saying.
	When you've got a five-year-old saying...
	I don't mind going through the walls, and they teach me more on the ships than I learn at school.
	You have to say to yourself now, that's not normal.
	I know my kid has a pretty good imagination, and when children start drawing triangular craft at four years old with energy fields around them, what child of four knows about energy fields?
	Because it isn't on the cartoons.
	They don't watch talk shows, and they don't read books on this.
	So it was the concepts these children were coming out with that blew my mind.
	And when one child in a book was actually, I read his story, and his mother was talking about the pyramids, and he was saying, they've got it all wrong, because I was there, and they changed the density structure of objects, large and small, and they levitated the stones into place, and placed a crystal on the top that communicated with other worlds.
	Like, you tell me a five-year-old that knows how to use language like that.
	That, to me, is when we know these children are something special.
	And I have come across them from all over the world now.
	Three, four, five-year-olds drawing mandalas, talking about the new earth, talking about an understanding of creating formula.
	When you've got a ten-year-old telling a teacher, you teach in linear fashion, I think in spirals.
	when you've got children talking like that you say there is something really unique about these children and that's yes where my focus is now absolutely that's wonderful let me say that I don't know, did you ever interview or try to interview or talk to Barisca No, but I saw your interview and I was fascinated because this story is wonderful, isn't it?
	Yes.
	Where he talks about another life where he was visiting from Mars.
	Yes.
	And his understanding of the Lemurians being nine feet tall.
	Brilliant, brilliant.
	And of course, I'm hearing from teenagers telling me that the planet they're from, and I'm going to talk about that tomorrow as a young boy who says that he's, you know, he's from Arcturus, and he's actually going to, he speaks the language of the Arcturian, and I will be playing that language to show you what 16-year-old who isn't into technology and girls, who's now talking about, you know, building pyramids and crystals and talking about the fact he's from Arcturus.
	They don't do that at 16.
	Bleeding up on two sons, I know that.
	This kind of thing.
	Right.
	Excellent.
	Yeah, fascinating.
	In terms of your sort of trajectory, do you find that you're sort of, I don't know, that you might be approaching this differently than you did originally?
	Have you changed your tactics or your approach to the whole subject matter?
	Has it gone through a metamorphosis over the years?
	Absolutely.
	And I think it's inevitable.
	Because when you come into it, really I was just exposed to people generally that were traumatised.
	It was, this is a trauma.
	These ETs, these aliens, whatever name, they're abducted, they're terrified.
	Things are happening to them.
	You read all the books, you know, Bud Hopkins particularly, and those of that era were talking really about scary aliens and this is traumatic and how dare they...
	All this kind of thing.
	And I believe that's exactly what this was about.
	And I was being a trauma counsellor.
	Instead of it being humans, it was actually ETs instead.
	What I discovered, though, was that more and more, that was a very minute portion of a whole spectrum of experiences from maybe only 25-30%.
	were having traumatic experiences.
	There were others on the other side of that that were saying, to be honest, it's humans that terrify me.
	I think they are scary.
	They're barbaric and primitive, and I don't like it here.
	And I want to go home because I know it's not here.
	I want to go back to my family because actually they're okay.
	And they identify with the star beings, whatever name you want to give them, the otherworldly intelligences or whatever, And this is what the children have often said.
	When you've got a five-year-old say to a mum, you're not my real parents.
	My parents are in space.
	You're just here to look after me.
	And she said, I don't really look like this.
	And the mother said, what do you look like?
	She says, I can't show you because you'd be scared.
	Yes, absolutely.
	So yes, my paradigm has changed, as it does, inevitably.
	And now I deal with people I call the star seeds or star children, because a majority of those that are contacting me from all over the world are resonating to that information, not they're out to get me.
	And I have to say that often those that are traumatised, often it's because they haven't understood, because it's been the fear of the unknown.
	Once you've taken off and they've seen themselves on the craft, often they will see that the procedures that are being done, and you can get them to understand what that procedure is, It's like, you know, when you take a two-year-old to the doctor and you say, you know, he's a nice man, he's going to make you better.
	The doctor sticks a bloody great needle in his backside, he says, he's not nice, I'm not going there again.
	When he's five or six, you can say that was the medicine that made you better.
	You can't at two.
	And I think this has been a lot of the experiences that people have had where they've got scared.
	And when you take them into that, there's a whole different viewpoint from that understanding, even though they may take a while to get used to the fact that it wasn't what they thought in the first place.
	So are you doing regression therapy with children?
	I don't need to regress children.
	Children mostly remember their experiences.
	There's a few teenagers I have worked with, but mostly the children will tell you quite consciously about going up on craft.
	I've got an eight-year-old that told me he goes up with his school friends and he's sometimes in a capsule where he can't move.
	And I said, so what beans are you seeing?
	He says, they're blue beans.
	And I said, do you know why you're there?
	He said, yes, it's my yearly medical exam.
	So quite clear that him and his school friends go there once a year.
	But he said, I'm also on the craft, and he'll tell me that his school friends and other humans, and some that look human but with bigger eyes.
	And he said, they're not human, but we use our brainwaves to learn things and create things.
	And he talked about black holes, the time before the Big Bang.
	And talks about going into other universes.
	And also that his actual family are mantid insect-like beings.
	And they're his family, by the way.
	We're not.
	And he communicates with animals.
	Okay?
	So, but if you're not so much doing regression therapy, then, out of curiosity, what is it that brings the people to you?
	Or how do you get to them?
	Do you know what I'm saying?
	Do they contact you because they have a reason...
	Like, they've heard of your work, or their parents have heard of your work, or what is the reason normally?
	Well, I do still do regressions with adults, and I get adults coming and contacting me from all over the world, and I actually do regressions over Skype, which works very well, believe it or not, as long as they can speak English, so it's very, very useful.
	But I do have people traveling from overseas to where I live, from New Zealand, Australia, America, and also the UK. But because I can do it over Skype as well, it's very useful.
	I find that really handy.
	But with the phenomenon and the way that I'm approaching it, I get many people with children that say my children seize spirits or seize energy fields and they talk about...
	Such things as the New Earth and this kind of thing.
	You know, how can I support them?
	What can I do?
	And what's also interesting is, even though some of them don't speak English, they've managed to understand my presentations.
	And one little girl, actually, in Northern Europe, recognised some of the languages that were on one of my presentations and said, that lady will know what I'm talking about.
	And ended up actually contacting me and telling me that she spoke three languages and one of them actually heals water.
	And this kind of thing.
	So it's coming from all over now, which to be honest, Carrie, has blown my mind.
	But so many people can resonate to my weird stuff.
	Because for a lot of people this is really weird.
	You know, but you know what I mean.
	You go down the whole, you know, there's a lot of people down that route.
	But there is a growing awakening out there of what you say.
	I think people like us are kind of in the forefront of, I'm getting, you know, I get emails every day of people, you know, waking up that want to contact me, that want to tell me their stories.
	They're, you know, it's very...
	We're very close to the pulse.
	I think other people who are not quite so close tend to be a little more pessimistic about, are you optimistic?
	Because I am.
	And I just wonder at the way people, you know, people say, well, you hear negative stuff all the time, you must be really, you know, negative.
	All I'm finding out more and more is how amazing humans are.
	Because we are really spirits having a material existence, as you know.
	So what's inhabiting this form?
	There's a huge background to that beingness in all of us.
	And that's informing who we are here.
	So are you feeling that way?
	Are you feeling that there is a positive sort of thrust of this story, so to speak?
	Absolutely.
	I don't think all these amazing children that I believe are being born all over the world.
	And this little girl of nine told me that 50% of the planet now are star cities, as she calls it.
	And this is a nine-year-old telling me.
	And I thought that was a wonderful statistic.
	But the fact that they're all around the globe now, coming in with so much awareness and understanding, a willingness to change society and help society understand What our potential is, although she said human beings have to believe it first before they realise their potential.
	And school is actually, she said, it actually shuts down their light, so we have to be aware of that.
	But they can't be coming for a waste of time.
	I cannot believe all these children have agreed to incarnate onto a planet and say, oh, well, sorry, mate, you're really good, but it didn't work.
	I can't see that somehow.
	And I can tell you, me being the person that I am, I'd refuse to come if they said, look, Mary, you're going to work really hard.
	In the end, it's all going to be over a waste of time.
	I'd have said, find some other money to do it.
	With those two things, I'm pretty optimistic.
	Great.
	Wonderful.
	Well, thank you very much.
	I think it's been fascinating talking to you.
	I'd like to have you back on my radio show.
	I think we had you on a really long time ago.
	And I'd love to do it again.
	And it'd be great to hear you talk tomorrow.
	So I'm looking forward to that.
	Thank you.
	Okay, I think there was one other person that's a speaker, but I don't quite know his name, that was out in the audience.
	Is he still here?
	I think Miles is looking for him.
	Miles went to get him?
	No, Miles went to meet him.
	Oh, what's he?
	Gary.
	Gary?
	Okay.
	There he is in some.
	Okay.
	Great.
	Let me just get some water here.
	And Miles, you know, I'd like to have you on briefly as well.
	I'll be good.
	All right.
	We are printing more arrow signs for those who haven't a clue how to get here.
	But having got here, you may not need them, but who knows?
	Tomorrow's another day, Miles.
	So, um, hi.
	Hi.
	How are you?
	I'm fine, since we're Yes.
	But you said to me, Gary, I want to interview you.
	And you never came back?
	What's your last name?
	Heseltine.
	Yeah, it's sort of coming back vaguely.
	Yeah, it is.
	Well, I've waited.
	It never came.
	I'm sorry.
	I was heartbroken.
	Okay, well, I have to say what happened.
	Really bombarded by a lot of stuff there.
	And then I had to fly out, you know, and so I did miss out on a few interviews that I had to do.
	No, it was a mad week, so I don't know.
	Yeah.
	But I did wait.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	Okay, so, Gary Hazleton, is that right?
	Hazeltine.
	Hazeltine?
	Yeah.
	Okay, where are you from?
	From Scoville, open Lincolnshire.
	Okay, that's here in England?
	Yeah.
	Well, is it northern?
	Is that what it is?
	So why did Miles want me to bring you on?
	Because I can't remember your history.
	And when you start talking, then I will remember.
	Well, shouldn't you want me to introduce myself?
	Yes, please.
	My name's Gary Zeltine, and I'm the founder and editor of UFO Truth magazine.
	But in a previous life, I was also a police detective.
	I knew you were going to say you were a policeman.
	Oh my God.
	I did interview you.
	No, you said you were going to do it.
	No, I do have some footage on it.
	I do.
	Well, if you can produce that, I'll give you one.
	I actually do.
	Yeah, and I think what we did was we kind of, like, I filmed you briefly, and then we didn't ever do the whole interview, so I didn't get to, you know, put it out there.
	But yes, I actually have some footage on it.
	Is this where I've got clothes on?
	Right, so anyway, I became known within the subject of ufology because in 2002 I created an unofficial national police database called PRUFOS, Police Reporting UFO Sightings, which allowed police officers in the UK to report their sightings.
	And I started off with six cases.
	Involving 10 officers, and 12 years later I now have over 500 cases involving 1,000 British police officers.
	So I think that's quite dramatic.
	An interesting thing, though, is that the more...
	When I first started, because I was a serving police officer at that time, there was a lot of media interest in me, nationally, in TV and radio, and so I did lots of things.
	But strangely, as the years have gone by, and the amount of officers have come on board, Oh really?
	Yeah.
	Which is kind of bizarre because if you were like a good tennis player and you started winning tournaments you'd get more publicity.
	Here's the ironic thing in ufology is that if you have something that rocks the boat, i.e.
	against mainstream, then basically you will be suppressed.
	Never gets any publicity in the newspapers or anything there.
	Because nobody wants to know about somebody who's rocking the boat.
	And so really my talk on Sunday is really about how I see we can make a change in the perception of the mainstream.
	How do we reach the man on the street?
	The guy who's not in this room.
	The guy who knows nothing about growth.
	That there is nothing to it.
	So, quite naturally, people are going to grow.
	And probably most of the people that you talk to in real life, away from this room, will, without even realising it, have been given a subliminal message through the media, all the lives, that, yes, the subject exists as a story, flying saucers, blah, blah, blah, but it's a bit kooky and there's nothing really to it.
	And really, it's My talk will be about how I think the concept of UFO Truth magazine, something which I retired six years early from the police to do, so something has compelled me to do this.
	And that's because I think if we grasp the concept of what I'm trying to achieve with a magazine, we can actually affect change in the mainstream.
	So that's what I'll be talking about on the Sunday.
	How do you reach the man on the street, the ordinary person in the street?
	Because if I came with a microphone, and you sometimes see the press do this, and in fact, all radio issues do this all the time, you know, we're going to talk about UFOs this week, and they get somebody to ring up, and they go, I was abducted, so straight away, after the audience just goes off, because it's off their credibility scale, TV cameras go down the high street and then go, So what do you think about fine sources and alien abductions?
	Look, green men.
	And they melt.
	They haven't got the courage of the convictions because 60 years of society and suppression have said to these people, well, I can't tell people about what happened to me because I will be ridiculed or I will lose my profession.
	And in my 12 years, I've dealt with many people, not just police officers, People who run care homes will say, I've had experiences, but I could never go public with it because nobody would ever come to my care home again.
	You know, I'd lose all the people.
	People who run children's nurseries.
	Nurses, nursery nurses will say, well, I can't ever say anything.
	Architects, doctors have come to me, but they would lose their job.
	So my kind of take on this subject is I want to reach, in a sense, not the people in this room, I want to try to draw in people from the man on the street.
	How do we do that?
	Okay.
	And that's not easy.
	But the concept of UFO Truth magazine, if we think about it, we can create a UFO Truth movement.
	But how do we do it?
	UFO Truth movement is really getting people to buy into a concept.
	How can we do that?
	When I talk about it in more depth on Sunday, But I believe that if you buy for 35 pence a week into the concept of this magazine, because one third of all monies that goes into the magazine will be ring-fenced for UFO causes.
	Well, let's just extrapolate that.
	Just if we had 10,000 people worldwide, which in the area of the internet is absolutely sort of small, but if we had 10,000 people buying in at 15 pounds, That's £150,000 generated.
	A third of it is automatically ring-fence.
	Now, as I was saying to Mary Rodwell, I've met several times in the past, very interesting, actually columnist in the magazine, I said, if we had that £50,000 now, what could we do with it?
	Well, what we could do with it is try to attack mainstream in a way that we never do.
	Never get accounts to do, because we never give them up.
	Ability through the reporters to cover the subject properly.
	So I said, well, why don't we put £5,000 and put a full page ad?
	If we all chipped in and we generated this amount of money in the kitty, then we could put £5,000 and have a page in the Times, the top rich newspaper, facts about UFOs.
	And because it's an advert, they're going to take the money because they want the money.
	But we would give a full-page ad.
	Now, we don't have that rich benefactor.
	It'd be nice if we did.
	Somebody stepped out of the shadows and said, well, actually, I'm a millionaire industrialist.
	I've always had experiences, but I can't do anything.
	But there you go.
	There's a million pounds.
	Make sure it's audited properly.
	But do some good with it.
	The Robbie Williams of this world, to me, are just playing us.
	Because if I run the luxury to borrow, then I know where my money would go.
	And it wouldn't be on flash cars and sports cars and holidays.
	Although sometimes.
	But realistically, it would be putting the money into doing things that we can't achieve.
	Okay, okay.
	But let me ask you a couple questions here.
	First of all, did you know Tony Dobbs?
	Tony Dodd?
	The former police officer?
	I spoke to him on the phone.
	When I created the database, he was a retired police officer at that time, but I was obviously well aware of him.
	And I rang him up and said, look, you know, I'd like to come see you.
	And he said, well, unfortunately, my wife isn't that well, and my health's not that good, and I'm pretty much retired, but good luck with your work.
	And then once, when I was actually on duty, and I was near, not far from the village where he lived, I rang him up again and said, look, you know, I'm not too far away.
	I want to And he said, he kind of put me off, because I don't think his health was that well.
	But it was a frustration for me, but I did speak to him on the phone.
	But he, in a sense, was a forerunner.
	That's right.
	Because he had a site in Connolly, in 1978, with the police of Strallendale, and basically that changed his paradigm.
	And that, when he retired, he then became a well-known investigator.
	That's right.
	Very well-known, apparently.
	Well, he, behind the scenes, contacted Camelot before he died.
	And he did tell us that he told us about Torchwood.
	That Torchwood is actually true.
	That it's actually...
	You know, investigators, you know, sort of agents that go out and track down various CTs that are here visiting the planet.
	And they either try to capture them, kill them, recruit them, or whatever they do.
	So he said that information could get us killed.
	This was several years ago.
	I've said this at conferences numerous times.
	We never released it under his name, but we released the information under a false name.
	It's on our website under the name, or was under the name of John Robey.
	We made up a name for him to cover him.
	Yeah, and another piece of information that he said was, you know, that the ETs could also, some ETs could be identified by their little baby finger.
	That's like an old story that makes the rounds, but actually he, you know, I think he was even maybe one of the early sources of it.
	Very interesting man.
	And, you know, I have to say that, you know, he really was read in on a deep level.
	Now, my question is just how read in are you?
	Well, nobody's ever read me in that way.
	And I've never...
	Whilst I've had four UFO sightings, which stems from a childhood sighting, that's what kicked off my interest.
	And as the years have gone by, if anybody had said that you'd be flying around the world doing lectures, I'd go left of them.
	Something happened to me, not in terms of abduction or anything like that, but that childhood sighting at 15 was kind of like reawakened when I was a police officer.
	In the mid-90s, when I came across Graham Burton's UFO printed magazine in the UK, which is very well known to the audience here.
	A fantastic guy, and really he was kind of the catalyst that brought me into the subject, reawakened it, and through a series of strange synchronicities, which is not a word I'd ever even been aware of, There have been some very strange synchronicities in my life now that seems to...
	I seem to be on a path.
	And I don't believe in faith, or never did believe in faith, but now I do.
	And I seem to be on a path doing something for this subject.
	And it sounds kind of bizarre, but the synchronicities are just unbelievable.
	You know, we're just one of them.
	When I... I don't generally remember my dreams.
	Some people do, but I generally don't.
	But I remember the concept of the proof-force police database in a dream.
	Wake up, create a database about police officers.
	And the earlier one, which was more important, was a dream about a A very vivid scenario to write a Hollywood blockbuster movie about UFOs and how we could create conclusive proof.
	That's what it's called.
	What could force disclosure?
	And I remember waking up with this extremely very vivid memory of a whole scenario of characters and a storyline and I'd never written anything in my life.
	Nothing in my life.
	And within six weeks, I've got the first draft of the movie script.
	And that was in 1998.
	And as a result of that, I then wanted some kind of feedback.
	So I took it to police officers and they said, oh, this is great.
	And I thought, oh no, I wanted some kind of feedback from people within the subject.
	And I went to Graeme Birdsall, who was the editor.
	And I remember dropping my script on a Sunday to his office.
	And guess where his office was then?
	American, probably not where, but I worked in Leeds, and Italy was about 10 miles away.
	So this guy who kind of was a big mentor for me, who I wanted some kind of validation and read the script, he was only 10 miles away.
	Now what if he was in Edinburgh?
	Or if he was in Cornwall?
	I wouldn't have bothered.
	But the fact is, he was right.
	And so I remember dropping it on a Sunday through his envelope, thinking, you know, I think I'm mad.
	And then six weeks later he brings me up and he says, oh, this is brilliant.
	He then said, well, come to the conference.
	I do a three-day conference.
	Where was the conference?
	It was in Leeds.
	Where did I work?
	Leeds.
	Well, it could have been anywhere.
	I wouldn't have been able to do it for the travel and whatever.
	And all these little things seemed to draw me into the subject.
	Okay, could you back up one moment to the database?
	What was the dream about the police database?
	Yeah, that was the second dream that I remembered.
	Basically, it was...
	I'd obviously met, I'd sent the script to him by then, so I'd met Graham Bird or something.
	I was feeling that I wanted to get involved in active research, but as a police detective, your time is not your own.
	If there's a rape case, a murder case, your time is not your own.
	I couldn't be one of those people that would, like, I'll be there every Tuesday for rehearsal.
	It doesn't work like that as a detective, so basically it had to be something that worked around my strange kind of work schedule.
	And then I had this dream.
	I'd read about a couple of police officers historically in books, and I thought, well, they say about right what you know.
	Well, I know police officers.
	So the fact that I was a serving police officer, I kind of knew their mentality.
	And I think that was a tremendous help.
	But basically, having had the dream, I went to see Graeme Virgil, who then had moved from Ilpley, 10 miles away, to actually inside Leeds, where I worked.
	So he was even closer.
	So I could go out and see him and see how he can.
	So I go see him and I've had this dream.
	And I said, I've had this idea for the database.
	Would you allow me to write an article for your printed magazine?
	And he went, yeah, because I'm all for credibility.
	And basically, he was the guy that allowed me the opportunity to create a database in the public domain.
	So in January 2002, that's when it came out, and straight away there was a response from police officers, generally retired straight off, but who didn't feel threatened because they got their pensions, So you're saying this is a database of police officers?
	Police officers have gone on the record, either publicly or through me.
	They can either be confidential source, and I protect their identities as long as I know who they are.
	That's fine.
	That's what the media do, so why can't I protect the source in the same way?
	And some people, if they're serving police officers, will generally want anonymity.
	But I have to check them out.
	And once they're checked out from my point of view, I'm happy to give them a confidential sort.
	The main thing is get these stories out there.
	But now, 12 years later, there's 500 cases, 1,000 police officers.
	Nobody wants to go there.
	I can't even get a book publisher for it.
	No way.
	It's a unique book.
	There's never been a book solely on British places.
	Okay, but why have you thought of self-publishing?
	Well, that's what I am going to do.
	But you'd think though that a book like this from credible sources, a thousand places of subscribers, it should be, "Yeah, wow, this is a unique selling factor." But no good one, isn't it?
	Yes.
	The mainstream, which again reinforces this story that we don't want the good stuff reaching the mainstream.
	Sure.
	And that's what I am actively trying to do now with the magazine, to say, well, how do we reach the mainstream?
	Okay, well, what happened to the movie?
	Well, I sent it after, and it was reviewed by several people, scriptwriters, but I never pursued it.
	In the sense of, it never got me in anything, but that script is still there.
	And ironically, I've written three other UFO-related scripts, and the last one being about Reynolds and Forrest, which you'll be aware of, because I've worked for Charles Holt for seven years.
	We've got a viable script there, but here's the thing.
	I've sat down with some top production people in the UK, and I've had interest in the States, but here's the thing.
	Because it's an ensemble piece, and Rendlesham Forest occurs over three successive nights, differentiates changing up an ensemble piece.
	They say to me, Gary, great story.
	However, it doesn't have a hero.
	Doesn't have a natural Harrison Ford.
	So you're going to have to change it to a bit more fiction to make this more of a heroic tale.
	And I say no.
	I'm certain I could have made a lot of money by just changing it.
	In fact, I had a meeting in December 2013 with one of Britain's top production companies.
	And I pitched it to him and he says, it's great.
	And she said, but on some old piece, you need to rewrite it less from the investigator, more from the writer and create this hero.
	And I said, I can't do that.
	Well, because the story for me is so good.
	As it is now, you couldn't make it up.
	So I think the audience will get it.
	You are.
	Well, I have to say that I think you could actually rewrite it.
	I think it's doable to get both, you know, sort of kill, you know, kill both, hit a bird with both stones or whatever that's saying.
	This is an American saying, which I have wrong.
	You know what I'm saying.
	In other words, I do think you could.
	I should do the birds.
	We want to.
	I mean, you could actually do that.
	Sounds good.
	Thank you.
	Good logical mind over there.
	So, no, I mean, you know, because actually this is the way to change the world, is to get the truth out.
	Absolutely.
	You know, truth is stranger than fiction, as they say.
	Absolutely.
	So, there is some leeway there, though, and I think you should maybe consider that.
	Well...
	Maybe, maybe.
	You know, if you want to make a documentary, I mean, I have to say, I've worked in, I mean, I don't know if you know this about me, but I've worked in Hollywood for 19 years before I got into being a documentary filmmaker, and I ended up doing this in rebellion against Hollywood because they couldn't get past a glass ceiling there at the time.
	Now, but the fact is that there is nothing more powerful Than a film that emotionally can grab people, that can contain all those elements of truth that you want to tell.
	And, you know, factual documentaries have a role.
	So if you want to shoot a documentary, then shoot a documentary.
	But if you want to get a story out, you know, then you can take, you know, poetic license, as they say, and still get your point across.
	That's my point of view.
	But, you know, this is great.
	I mean, you're doing some great stuff, and I think your database is wonderful.
	So do you have a thousand police officers on there?
	Yeah, it's a database.
	It's a website.
	It is a website?
	Yeah, a website.
	Why don't you send this information to me?
	I will.
	I thought you'd know about it already.
	No, no.
	Not this part.
	We talked.
	We definitely talked, and I think I had the camera on.
	Did you?
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	I think you did know.
	Okay, well, I have to go back into my history because I have, you know, all these tons of video.
	Excuse me?
	A five-pound noise?
	No, okay.
	Okay, great.
	I will, I actually will go back when I go back.
	My backlog of citizen hearing on disclosure, you know, footage.
	We spoke with the citizen hearing now, and you said that you didn't want to interview me.
	Yeah, absolutely, and here we go.
	So now what I'd like to do is, I'd like to welcome you to come to my show another day.
	Anytime, anytime.
	I've watched the radio shows, and anybody that's heard me will, I think, soon pick up that I'm very passionate about this.
	Excellent.
	But the thing is, I'm not in it for the money.
	I really am not in it for the morning.
	I'm in it for the passion.
	I think people might have guessed that.
	But we can collectively make a difference if you buy into the concept.
	The problem is, and this is one of my big bugbears, and it needs saying, is the internet's great in the sense that it gives you access to lots of information, but it has also created a nightmare.
	And it creates a nightmare in this subject Because it makes an armchair millions of UFO experts who never get off their ass, never become vocal because they've got it all.
	They're sat on their ass, they can do this.
	And they don't do anything to become active.
	And yet they will moan about no disclosure.
	They will moan about the suppression of the media.
	But if those people could just manage to lift themselves up Then they could change the world.
	Because after pornography, they tell us that UFOs is the most searched subject.
	Sure.
	Now that doesn't extrapolate into our world.
	Why have we not got thousands of people in this audience?
	We should have.
	In the 50s, when it was more open, before the Robertson panel, you would have had 5,000 people that have made it like this.
	Now we're looking for a hundred, too.
	Yeah, that's right.
	That is true.
	And this is what we've got to change.
	All right.
	Thank you, Gary.
	I want to thank you for coming on this short show for a short segment.
	I want to welcome you back in the future to be on my show.
	We'll go into more depth.
	Anytime.
	I'd like to hear some of those cases.
	Oh, absolutely.
	All right?
	Anytime.
	Great.
	Excellent.
	All right, I want to thank you.
	So, Kieran, I think that...
	I'm not sure, but I was...
	Somebody was...
	I think somebody was saying I had 10 minutes left.
	I'm not sure 10 minutes of what?
	The hour or...
	Where we are.
	Where are we?
	We need to be out of the building by 10.
	Oh, God.
	So, did I go over the time?
	That's 20 minutes.
	Kind of.
	It doesn't matter.
	Enjoy yourself.
	Well, if we have 10 minutes left, can I bring Kieran back real short here?
	Thank you.
	Thank you very much, Gary.
	And I just want to bring him back.
	Miles, I'd like to be five minutes with you, just really to wrap this up, and then obviously we're going to have to have both of you back at some point.
	You know, Miles, obviously we'll do a wrap-up at some point in the future, I'm sure.
	And you need a mic as well, right?
	Because I'm going to want you to join us here in just a moment.
	If we only have ten minutes, then just if we can do that.
	Okay, we'll wrap up with you, Miles.
	Okay?
	So tell me when I'm done with the five minutes, alright?
	Somebody, because otherwise I won't know.
	Alright, so Kieran...
	Because you were in this prior segment, that was Sarah's show, I believe, and so we didn't get to have you on my show yet.
	This is now Revolution Radio, so I'd like to have you back for a whole show that's a two-hour radio show in the future, where we can get really into your whole story in depth.
	But if you could give your whole name, and do you have a website or anything out there at this point?
	I do, yeah.
	- Give that a... - Chronicles of a Mind Control Paralympic. - Okay. - It's rather controversial and really, generally speaking, you'll need one of those beep machines, because I do tend to get rather angry about this topic.
	I have been tortured for years.
	Literally tortured with directed energy weaponry, microwave weaponry.
	I bear the scars.
	My paper trails back this up.
	To be frank with you, when I mentioned earlier that I talked with the police and I mean, really, really, I've been dealing with this for years.
	I've proven it.
	I've also won two independent legal tribunals.
	But as somebody touched upon it earlier, I think it was a gentleman that's just been up.
	The more information you get, the less likely they are to promote you.
	They like to give the illusion that they're promoting people that are uncovering truths and the like.
	But as soon as you start to, well, even show some promise, you know that.
	I was a media specialist.
	My clients were television stations, newspapers, blah, blah, radio stations.
	And I did used to speak out.
	I was known for it.
	We didn't advertise as a company.
	And to be frank with you, I was something of a hedonist too.
	But the creative industries, I mean, it's almost mandatory.
	Excuse me as a policeman in the audience.
	But it is almost mandatory that in that world that people did drugs.
	How?
	It was based upon.
	Pre-9-11, I got asked my opinions on things and I gave them as I generally did.
	But I then had the police arrive at my house early out of the morning with a social worker waving a piece of paper saying, you tried to commit suicide last night.
	I said, no, I did not.
	And, you know, consequently I was taken away.
	You're kidding.
	No, no.
	Months of messing with my head, pumping me full of drugs.
	And you didn't have any...
	No.
	I'm not familiar with this sort of thing.
	If I talk over you, I do apologize.
	That's okay.
	No, my family are complicit with this.
	My entire life is a conspiracy.
	The one man that could have helped me, that we all had an idol when we were young.
	My hero was my uncle.
	He was a soldier.
	And he was in Rimi, Royal Electrical Mechanical Engineers, but he disappeared when I was 15 years old as well.
	You know, it goes on.
	Alright, so for the purposes of this show, because we didn't really talk about this, you feel that you are, what do you consider, a mind control victim, but you have implants from head to toe, right?
	I'm a survivor, I don't like the word victim.
	Alright, but in terms of the technology of your body, because I wanted you to describe that.
	Yeah, well, it's a horror show.
	It tortures me.
	I understand, but what is it physically like?
	Do you have implants, you said, beyond the ear?
	Well, the worst of it is.
	I've got, bearing in mind this was put into me, at least what's in my head was put into me in 1975.
	They're actually quite large.
	I do know who you are now by the way, Project Camelot, I do know who you are.
	You'll know a lot more about a lot of these things than I do.
	But these things, they extend from about this part in the side of my head, right the way around the side.
	And as I said, I've then got probes inserted into the sutures of my brain.
	But also, on the backs of my upper jaw, I've got protrusions which bend like fingers, but they can do so in any direction.
	Now this tortures me, this subdues me.
	Well, why do you think that, I mean, it sounds like you were implanted for sure.
	First of all, did you have, I guess you call it, you know, like MRI? If you look at my blog, you'll see the MRIs on there.
	Plus, there's a letter from a PhD-level educated doctor saying he doesn't need any medical training to see that these are foreign bodies.
	He also backed me up when the newspapers had interviewed me.
	And when they investigated, they traced my tracks, basically, and spoke to people at hospitals that I spoke to, home and abroad, because I've taken this globally, essentially.
	I've spoken to people in other countries and doctors and the like and what have you.
	And yes, concluded that, yeah, you know, you're telling the truth.
	There's no buts about it.
	We wanted to go to print, but we've been censored.
	And he said, even for us, this is unprecedented, because we don't even know the authority we're dealing with.
	So we haven't got a clue, basically, is what they were telling us.
	Well, tell me something.
	You said you got this in Africa in the beginning.
	Were you very young in Africa?
	Yes.
	Ten years old, yeah.
	Were you born in Africa?
	No, no.
	No?
	Okay, do you think that you had implants before you were ten years old?
	Hmm, that's a very pertinent question.
	As I said, tonight, I came here to learn as well.
	I understand.
	I've largely dealt with my circumstances on my own.
	I mean, the flip side of my situation as well is, as I said, it's a lifelong conspiracy.
	People have died, you know.
	This is the sort of things I talk to the police about.
	I see.
	There's abuse involved, all sorts of abuse.
	Excuse me earlier as well, I'm not familiar with broadcasting and like, when I talked over things, I didn't realise.
	No, don't worry about it.
	But yes, I'm a monarch.
	You are a monarch, okay.
	When you asked earlier, again another pertinent question, you know, Another personality started crawling out of me in my early to mid-thirties, and it was a soldier also.
	I couldn't understand it myself, and I'm thinking, oh God, not me, I'm not a skit, so for crying out loud.
	And I lived with a family at the time, and it was pretty, extremely difficult to deal with.
	As I said, I was running a business in the corporate sector as well.
	What kind of a soldier was it?
	Hmm?
	What kind of a soldier?
	I'm like Dylan off the magic roundabout most of the time, me.
	But when I become a soldier killer and he scares the crap out of me, to be frank with you.
	It's me.
	It's very much me.
	This is my core personality.
	Sure.
	But if I'm triggered and I become a soldier killer, I am extremely aggressive.
	And I don't take...
	I really don't know how far to take things at the moment.
	I'm trying to keep things within the same parameters.
	Well, in other words, you know the answer to the question, but you're not sure you want to read any of it.
	Well, I'll tell you one.
	A lot of people have questioned me.
	Doctors, you know, police officers, journalists, with regards to what I think, what I know.
	You know, as I've touched on, how on earth have I dealt with this?
	But it's taken me a long time to accept.
	I mean, I was frightened of talking about an issue because, you know, the first thing they want to do with a mind control target is put you in a mental institution, drug you up and make you capable of defending yourself.
	But I've done that.
	I've won a legal tribunal in relation to that as well.
	Well, that's great.
	But...
	So in terms of the soldier, though, is this a soldier who...
	No, I'm a British soldier.
	Oh, you are.
	A psychological warfare operative.
	I'm an anti-fascist.
	This is what I've had repeated in my head over and over.
	In other words, they've been trying to tell me I'm a soldier.
	I've been denying it and saying, no, I'm not.
	I'm a salesman.
	You know, I'm a footballer.
	This is what I am.
	And I force it.
	I mean, what do they do when they take a teenager?
	They wipe the mind clean and they rebuild you.
	They've done this to me over a number of years until I've accepted it.
	I mean, I'm sitting here in front of a camera with a microphone on, saying it, and the British army are not going to admit to me, I can guarantee you that.
	Absolutely.
	But they've been talking to me in my head for many years now.
	Sure.
	And my friends are well aware of soldier hearing.
	Believe me, they tell me that.
	Their advice to me in doing this was to walk out with a can of lager in one hand and a spliff in the other and get angry, because that's when you're at your best hearing.
	That's when people listen to you.
	But quite often it's not me.
	It's sometimes soldier hearing.
	Sure.
	But it is me.
	It's still me.
	But I know I'm like, oh, God, he's hearing me.
	And it literally is, you know.
	Yes, I hear you.
	Can you tell me something?
	In terms of your family history, do you think that you have a background, you know, in other words, that is, were your parents in the military?
	My grandfather was a regimental sergeant major, yeah.
	In what army?
	The British Army.
	The British Army, yeah.
	Okay, and what about anybody else in the family?
	My uncle, my brother was a military officer.
	What about your bloodline?
	Do you know anything about your bloodline?
	Well, I don't even know.
	Honestly, this is very, very difficult for me to be put on camera to talk about these issues.
	These are very personal things.
	Okay, but let me tell you that because I've investigated this before, I've come across a lot of people.
	I don't even know if my family or my own family.
	Other people were telling me that my family aren't my own family.
	I wrote it off to them trying to disturb me.
	This is how a target They're targeted.
	They create confusion.
	The security forces do this.
	I know that.
	I've met a lot of people who work for the security services.
	And the first time I found out that something was really, really, you know, well, odd regarding my circumstances was when somebody I met in the pub that I'd been speaking to walked in and said, who the are you?
	And I went, well, not quite sure on myself.
	They said, well, I'll tell you who I am.
	I've worked for the security services since I was at university.
	I've got X-level clearings, and I've never been refused information on anybody in my pub.
	I went in to ask about you, Fletcher refused, told me, all information on you is classified.
	And I went, I'm a recruitment consultant.
	Do you think that you're not?
	And I went, I don't know.
	But he said, I persisted.
	And I offered to buy the beer, and all they did was show you one document.
	And in that document, it stated that you were politically aware and dangerous.
	Not only that, that you had affiliations to influential people in the Middle East, and that future-wise, you're somebody that might grow up, basically, because I needed to in many ways, I'll be frank.
	But I didn't want a serious life.
	I just wanted to make money and have fun.
	I was a Bob Marley fan, you know, played football and fuck about.
	That's all I wanted to do.
	Right.
	But, yeah, you know, he's very complex.
	Yes.
	He goes on and on.
	But these are the sorts of people that didn't like me.
	This is a super soldier.
	As a young man, they told me...
	That I was being investigated and or controlled and manipulated because of who I was becoming, not who I was.
	That I may gain some meaningful political influence in the future.
	Because I was intense on them.
	I was very ambitious.

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