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May 1, 2013 - Project Camelot
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CITIZENS HEARING ON DISCLOSURE - CLIPS
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Soaring skyward, sun to sun Steelburst by rose, love and me Eagles fly the highest, flip to clear Deep, green, and inner ocean I'm Carrie Cassidy from Peck and Camelot - That was great.
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I took it out, yeah.
Have you?
Thank you very much.
Hi, could you please state your name?
My name is Mike Gravel, former senator from the state of Alaska, and I'm here at the citizens' hearing looking into the entire UFO You know,
it's very edifying, this hearing, because we're getting testimony from first-hand knowledge of people in the military, research, government officials, and so the proof is out there.
If anybody wants to spend the time to look at it, listen, read it, analyze it, and come to a conclusion, you can come to one conclusion, that is that there is an extra What am I saying?
There's extraterrestrial interest in what is going on in this planet.
And for good reason.
Because we have the capability to destroy this planet or to destroy other planets if we continue on the course that we have charted.
And that is a violent course of war between ourselves and that could lead to war between other planets.
And so they have a legitimate interest to investigate what we're doing and why we're doing and we can take it from there.
Okay.
Let me ask you this.
Are you aware of black projects?
I am not officially, because I'm no longer a member of government, but as I was telling Darlene here, I have major sources that just feed me information.
And since I follow public affairs, For the last 50 years, I have a basis of knowledge that I can analyze and interpret the data that's given to me.
Keep in mind, I was 23 years old when I was a top-secret control officer in the Counterintelligence Corps and was the adjutant for the Communications Intelligence Service.
I'm 23 and 24 years old.
Just a kid.
Okay, let me ask you this.
You've been talking here with some witnesses who tell us that the visitors, if they are visitors in those crafts, and it's not a craft from the secret space program.
That they have the ability to shut down our missiles.
In other words, what that means is the implications, which hasn't been really mentioned here, is to leave us defenseless.
What the question seems to me to be is whether they're friendly or they're not.
And, you know, at this point, that question really has not been asked by the panel.
And I'm just suggesting that perhaps that's an important question.
It's one that the military, no doubt, has asked themselves.
And therefore, is it right to assume that they're friendly, that their act of turning off the Minot missiles was a friendly act?
Is that an assumption one should make?
Well, no.
In fact, I think the question should be, are we a friendly group of people towards them?
You've heard testimony that they were ordered at the museum to shoot at them.
That's no different than the way Columbus acted and Captain Cook acted when they came on to their discoveries.
So are they friendly?
We don't even know enough about them other than that they've demonstrated that our entire defense system is obsolete.
And of course that calls into question the billions and billions, hundreds of billions and trillions of dollars we've spent on all this crap to deny education, to deny healthcare, to deny a proper infrastructure for the health of the economy.
And so that's the reason for the secrecy.
It's the cut because once people realize that these things really don't work all that well, why keep spending money and putting it down a rat hole when we should spend it on education?
I understand that, but again, to get back to the possibility, is that...
We're talking about something that happened in the 60s.
If you're in the military, don't you think you might learn by experience?
In other words, certainly we have to ask if we're friendly, but we also have to ask if they're friendly.
And therefore, if they are coming to our planet and they are shutting down our missile silos, we're not going to their planet and doing the same thing.
So the question happens that has to be asked.
In other words, if you are a military and you are defending this planet, you do have a job to do.
Do you not?
Well, no.
They're defending not this planet.
They're just defending the United States of America.
And so that we have inferior technology to their technology, which is obvious.
But does that mean we should stand down?
Do you think that back in the 60s, these are questions that I'd like to see the panel ask.
In other words, I think that these are really important questions.
Here, write it down or I'll forget it.
All right.
And I'll be happy to ask.
All right.
Thank you.
I really appreciate that.
All right.
Thank you for your time.
You're welcome.
Hi there.
Are you doing an interview?
Because I wanted to get a quick statement from you.
I'm Kerry Cassidy from Project Camelot.
I have a very well followed website and I'm an investigative reporter and documentary filmmaker.
I've done a number of interviews with whistleblowers with above top secret clearances.
So I have quite a bit of experience over seven years taking testimony in this regard.
What I'd like to ask you, sir, is you just talked to, you know, just heard a panel discussion, a number of witness testimonies in regard to the shutdown of missiles by an unidentified flying object.
We don't know who was actually driving that craft, so to speak.
Are you aware of the secret space program?
Not.
Not really.
No.
Okay, and are you aware of what was called...
I've heard of it, but I'm not aware of what it is or what they're actually discussing.
Okay, are you aware of something called Paperclip, Project Paperclip?
I'm not.
It had to do with the Nazis that were brought over after World War II and became part of our, what is in essence the space program.
Werner Braun Braun, have you heard that name?
Those gentlemen, what they were coming over here, I didn't know exactly what the...
Well, they got involved and lent us some of the technology to build the nuclear bomb, the atomic bomb.
Did you call that Operation Paper Clips?
Yes, that's what it's called.
You can look it up on the internet.
I'm sure you're right.
Substantial, in fact, Rich Dillon may address this.
I hadn't heard it labeled that way to say that, but I know quite...
I'm not going to say precisely, but generally what you're talking about there.
Okay, so you just don't know by that name, but you certainly know that lots of scientists did come over and become part of our space program.
Absolutely.
Okay, and Werner Von Braun is somebody whose name you recognize.
Absolutely.
Okay.
So the reason I'm asking you is because when you have an unidentified flying object, there is the implication that it could either be, the question is, ours or theirs.
In other words, it's either driven by someone from our space program, which is a Gone Black secret space program.
We built it, we designed it, and it's flying.
Or it has come from outer space.
There's really two explanations, and those are the two.
You have to say.
I think there's three possible questions.
What would be the third one in your opinion?
Well, especially some of the earlier sightings in the 40s.
Did they have come from something built by either the Soviets or...
Nazi Germans.
They have the great scientists, right?
When I say ours, I meant humans or extraterrestrial.
Sure.
An object unidentified is either of a terrestrial or extraterrestrial origin.
I think that's...
It's got to be.
A fair question.
I mean, you could also say or another dimension or something else, but generally, that would be extraterrestrial.
And you have a number of witnesses and they actually touch it and it has metal.
In other words, it seems to be pretty real.
It could be either one until you know more.
Right.
But let me ask you this.
There is the implication, then, if it can shut down our missile silos, that one must ask, if you're military and you're defending this country, not to save the world, then you have to, at that point in the 60s, don't you think you would ask yourself, are they friendly or are they not?
Isn't that a question you need to ask?
Well, certainly, our government, In the 60s, when some of this that we heard about occurred.
I think from the standpoint of the Atomic Energy Commission, as it was called at the time, the CIA, as it was already established at the time, would clearly be asking a lot of those questions and would clearly be taking into account statements being made, whether they're forcing people to be signing secrecy agreements or not, But they were.
They were.
Of course they were.
But what I mean is, naturally, the kind of statements that came to the Air Force almost immediately.
One of these incidents would go to the highest levels of the government of the United States, including the president of the United States.
Absolutely.
So do you not think, because I'm just suggesting here to the panel that the question, the elephant in the room, if you will, it's not being asked.
And not being dealt with, is really to go down the road of finding out, are they friendly or are they not?
And what was military doing about it?
Because if the assumption is that they're friendly, but they're shutting down our missile silos, leaving us defenseless, is that okay?
No, it's not okay in my opinion, whether friendly or unfriendly as you describe it.
So if you're a military, it's your job to defend the country.
Whether terrestrial or extraterrestrial, you have to know what's causing that and you have to know as much as possible.
I mean, if they're German, if they're Russian, you still have to know if they're friendly, right?
That's why I can't see any reason.
Why they wouldn't want the broadest, I mean, within a reason, why they wouldn't want the broadest dissemination of the information so they could gather the best intelligence, if you will, to respond appropriately.
Sure.
And I compare that to, we all applaud the way they cooperated in Boston just a few weeks ago.
It's because they went out and described it in such detail with all the cameras, angles, everything else, and they got some reaction, they got some, we hope, resolution appropriately, quickly.
That's what you would think our government, the approach they would take.
Let me just suggest something to you, because I've got whistleblowers and I've got testimony, and my testimony says that the whistleblowers say that there is a secret space program, that the military back in the 60s, even before the 60s, figured out that the visitors to this planet were not necessarily friendly and therefore they needed to equip themselves to deal with The potential threat.
And this is why, nobody has said this, but this is very potentially why the secrecy.
In other words, if you know that you have a threat, and it comes from outer space, then it might not be so superfluous to be funding Star Wars or Secret Space Program or whatever because you may have to defend this planet at some point in the future.
I'm just saying that these are all things that have to be considered and I think these questions need to be asked.
I agree that you can't just sit on your hands when this happens.
But I don't think secrecy, no matter what, the cause would be the best solution to coming up with answers, coming up with strategies, coming up with approaches.
I agree with you, but I'm not them.
I'm a journalist, and I appreciate it.
That's why I ask questions up here today about legitimate and illegitimate reasons.
Sure, there's always legitimate reasons to say, please sign this.
But I think it's gotten into the illegitimacy stage, and that's what I'm particularly concerned about.
Well, we're talking about a worldwide phenomenon.
That's really important, right?
So we're really talking about...
There's been signings across every country on Earth.
Absolutely.
UFOs are real.
Exactly what the origination of those are, whether terrestrial or extraterrestrial, is up in here.
Right.
But anybody that's honest...
We'll admit there's unidentified flying or maneuvering objects that have been in the air and even on the ground.
Right.
Nobody seriously questions that when you ask the question appropriately.
Sure.
Now it's a very debatable discussion at this point because we don't have enough information.
Because there's been so much secrecy about this whole thing that we don't have any idea for sure whether it's All these things are terrestrial or extraterrestrial, or something might be of extraterrestrial origins.
Well, you served in Congress for how many years?
I think we would know by only four years, so don't blame me.
Four years.
No, I don't blame you, sir.
And I really applaud that you come here.
It takes a great deal of conviction and courage, really, to sit on such a panel.
It's true.
It might be easier as a...
As a former member.
But you know, I don't really think my decision would have been based on things like that.
I made plenty of I'm Merrill Cook.
I'm Merrill Cook.
I was a congressman from the 2nd congressional district of Utah back between 1997 and 2001.
Okay, and so since you left Congress, what did you get involved in?
Well, I'm back in the business that I was in before Congress, and that's the manufacturing of mining explosives.
Okay, are you aware of underground bases?
Underground bases?
Yes.
Well, I'm aware of underground installations that are related to bases, but bases that are completely underground?
Well, I'll go as far as underground cities.
How about that?
Well, I'm not aware.
You're not aware of that?
I'm not aware of it.
Coming from Utah?
Okay, I've been out to Utah.
Actually, I've been to Dugway.
Are you familiar with Dugway?
Yes, I am.
Okay.
Have you ever heard of the Venture Star?
No.
Venture Star is a name I'm familiar with.
I don't know, I can't tell you right now what it's all about.
Okay, if I told you that it flies off planet, would you?
It flies what?
Off planet.
The Venture Star goes interstellar.
Would that blow your mind?
I've never heard or seen anything that would indicate that's true, but I'm not standing here with a closed mind by any means.
Yeah, I appreciate that.
But I don't...
You can look it up on the internet.
That would be a hard thing for me to believe right now.
Yeah, I appreciate that.
My son actually worked for 15 years with the Jet Propulsion Laboratory.
Oh, really?
He traded that into being a patent attorney.
I see.
And I know there's all sorts of...
Did he learn anything about the secret space program while he was at JPL? Well, there's a huge...
Well, everything I think he was involved in was not a secret, but he was involved in the space program.
I mean, he was a group leader for the deep space communications.
Really?
And had direct responsibility with the rover project.
Uh-huh.
And I worked out at JPL. Did you know that?
Oh, did you?
Yeah, I did.
I was a contractor.
I was in communications.
So, now he did say some of the stuff was secret.
Uh-huh.
But he certainly, almost everything he worked on was well publicized and talked about in the press, so I can't say I'm very much aware of the secret space program, but I am aware that there's black ops related to defense, and I imagine related to the space program.
I'm aware of that, but I'm not exactly sure what you're defining as the secret space program.
Okay, well, this is a subject that I encourage the panel to investigate further, and certainly you could ask your son about, see what maybe his experience was.
Yeah, we'll ask him if he's aware of the secret, whatever level of secret programs might have been going on at the JPL. Well, you've heard of Area 51, I guess.
I'll say.
All right, well, they say that Dugway in Utah contains a base very similar to Area 51.
Have you heard that?
I've heard it.
I don't know whether it's true or not.
And I don't know exactly, what's it?
Area 5180.
In a sense, I would love to know.
Just like Bill Clinton said, he wanted to know.
And never found out, apparently.
So I don't know if I'm going to find out.
Are you familiar with the new NSC facility in Utah?
Of course.
Okay, and you understand...
I'm not an issue.
In fact, I've been on the radio many times.
I used to do talk radio before I was in Congress.
I see.
As a side issue to my main responsibility.
And...
So I had to station and call or KTALK and all the others that had me come on.
In fact, Deb used to help me with the program there on the radio.
And believe me, I'm not really happy that Utah's location is here in this huge facility.
And you know the surveillance capacities of that organization?
What I've heard scares me.
What I've heard about that makes me want to lock arms with Senator McAvelle and complain, complain, complain.
Because I think they're going way overboard this whole thing.
At the same time, I accept and respect the program, Intelligence Gathering.
But I think they've gone so far now because the technologies are enabling them to do it.
That's right.
And Katie Bartlett don't work.
The Constitution goes.
That's right.
And I share in Congress, Roscoe Bartlett and I were...
Holler about the same things on that issue.
Well, thank you, sir.
I appreciate your time this evening, and I've been very much enjoying your statements.
I'll look for your website.
I hope you will, and this will be on that website.
Very good.
Thank you.
I'm wondering how you ended up...
Here.
How did they reach out to you?
Why did they pick you?
Several months ago, I'm trying to think.
We're almost in May.
It was two or three months ago.
I had a call from...
I'm trying to remember where the first call came from.
There's only one way to regain trust.
find and tell the truth.
Whether to your friends or family or to the citizens of nations, I believe this Citizens Hearing serves that purpose.
And like my friend, Edgar Mitchell, I say without equivocation, we are not alone in the cosmos.
We have neighbors.
We should try to get to understand them and to cooperate with them.
Thank you.
We also hope that the Congress, which has not held a hearing on this subject since 1968, We'll consider this issue worthy of hearings within the House and Senate.
And I can assure the House and the Senate that for every witness that appears here this week, there is five more behind them.
And then five more behind them.
Hundreds of individuals, many serving in our government, serving in our military, including with top security clearances, prepared to go before Congress and testify to the kinds of evidence you'll hear this week.
Which confirms what Edgar Mitchell said.
We are not alone in the universe.
We are being engaged now.
The government, for national security reasons, withheld that from us during the Cold War.
But the Cold War is over, and now it's time to move forward.
Thank you very much.
The UFO problem has involved military personnel around the world for more than 60 years, and it is wrapped in secrecy.
Because this subject is so widely ridiculed, it's important to stress why it's worthy of serious attention.
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