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08/22/2012 - Barry Chamish.

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	There is a Jaguar outside my door
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	Strange shade of stump, deep cat-eye green.
	No way to escape, no one hears my scream.
	He'd come here so often, just when I'm alone.
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	He's a Jack, he's a Jack, he's a Jack, you are.
	Thank you.
	This is Laura Rick Radio and I am here actually broadcasting from Paris of all places as people will know who Follow the site.
	We're doing a European tour about to go to Constance, Germany, for the first the first speaking engagement.
	And that that should be a lot of fun.
	And we're both looking forward very much to starting out.
	So I came to Paris first to sort of cool out and get over jet lag.
	Not sure it's helping, but hopefully it will to some degree.
	Anyway, so it is actually four in the morning in Paris, and I'm hearing all kinds of rumblings of interesting things going on in the world and back in the U.S.
	and investigating.
	I've got some more information coming at me from a new whistleblower with regard to the Aurora shooting, which is really fascinating stuff.
	And I don't know if we'll get into that with Barry.
	Barry Shamish is my guest.
	And he is an investigative journalist.
	And I'm going to see if he's on the line with me here.
	Barry, are you there?
	Yep, I'm here.
	Okay, Barry, it's lovely to talk to you.
	I am.
	We just did a show with you.
	And you interviewed me.
	So now I'm sort of returning the favor.
	Well, I'm delighted that you view it as a favor, but what the heck?
	All right, well, yeah, it's great to have you here, and I admire your work.
	I was trying to tell people actually a few days ago when you interviewed me that I have been following your writings on and off through the years, and I find you a wonderful writer and, you know, a very interesting I guess, you know, investigative journalist, whatever you want to call yourself.
	And I'm excited tonight because I get to ask you all the questions about your work.
	And I am very, very interested to hear more about what you do.
	Well, what I wrote last week is having really, I'm amazed.
	That an article can go viral.
	But yesterday I went to Google and I stopped at 36 pages.
	36 Google pages on this article I wrote.
	Actually it was a review.
	Somebody, Christopher Bolin, wrote a book called Solving 9-11, and I reviewed it, and I don't know what kind of... I don't know, I must have hit some kind of nerve.
	It's very hard to predict these reactions, but this one really seemed to have hit a nerve all over the world.
	Yes, well, it is a fascinating article, I have to say, and I read it and I would love you to go down that sort of rabbit hole and talk about that.
	I will.
	I will.
	I'm all prepared.
	Now that I've written it, it's a lot better than when I'm just, you know, when it's in my head and not written down.
	Look, I've known Christopher Boland for ten years.
	Now, the way I met him, and it left a very bad impression, I want you to know, but a decade ago, Yasser Arafat stole over 300 million bucks from his people.
	And this came out during something called the Genocide Scandal.
	What it was, was the money was hidden in European It's secret low.
	It's really bank accounts, phony bank accounts, phony businesses.
	I mean, if you're a crook, you know how to do this kind of stuff.
	And Yossi Ginosar, who was Israel's PLO liaison, was a crook.
	And Arafat stole, I mean, hundreds of millions of bucks from his people.
	And I wrote it!
	And the sources were solid.
	I think this was a national scandal in Israel.
	Now, when I wrote it, Boland contacted me and he asked me for my research and I said to him, you know, I don't like people stealing.
	I don't care who it's from.
	I don't like stealing.
	And then he writes this article and Boy, what an article!
	He has it!
	The way he sees my work is that Israel made Arafat steal the 300 million bucks.
	I mean, I was livid.
	I mean, I was just livid when I confronted him about this really exploitation of a fellow writer.
	Well, here's what he wrote me back in quotes.
	How could Arafat use that kind of money from his hovel in Gaza?
	It's these kind of ethics that were in the back of my mind when I reviewed his book.
	Now, he sent me the book and he got more than his money's worth.
	The book is being talked about in every corner of the internet right now.
	But let's just dive into this.
	I mean, let's start with the fact that Bolin was a writer for really anti-Semitic journals, like Spotlight and the American Free Press.
	And now his opinion, this is what his book says, that Zionists were the force behind 9-11.
	for them.
	And this is now becoming, you know, like near gospel in the extreme right community.
	And I was warning Jews, I don't care if you've ever heard of this guy, you'd better take note, because we can face a really, really horrible future if this thing spreads.
	And the real problem is, he's not completely wrong.
	And again, you heard me when I say that he is not completely wrong.
	What he does is the classic spin, the mortal spin.
	He blames all Zionists for the very questionable behavior of one group, Labor Zionism.
	You've got to understand, he blames the right wing, but the right wing in the 30s and 40s were thrown out of the Zionist movement by the labor Zionists.
	They fought a civil war until the late 40s against labor Zionism.
	Today in Israel, less than 10% of the population support labor Zionism or their values.
	Uh, what do they have in the Knesset today?
	12, 13 seats out of 120?
	Uh, and even worse, Labor Zionism, who... Look, they've got control of Israel because they've got the money.
	Without diving into... They've got control of the media, they've got... They just, plain and simple, run the place.
	Forget that Netanyahu is supposedly representing the right wing.
	He's representing the flavor of Zionism.
	They have declared war against the religious Jews, and they have, I mean, brutally expelled thousands from their homes.
	Okay, Barry, I want to ask you a question here, because for my listeners, some people will be wondering, could you give a definition of labor Zionism, as opposed to any other kind of Zionism?
	Yeah, they're the socialists who founded Israel.
	Well, Ben-Gurion, I'll give you some of the names, you know, Ben-Gurion, Golda Meir, Shimon Peres, President of Israel, and we'll talk about him too, I mean, this is, and I'm saying this, let him see, I've said it enough times, Uh, in my 33 years in Israel, I openly said it.
	He's a serial murderer.
	He knocked off Yitzhak Rabin.
	He semi-knocked off Sharon.
	He's in hospital waiting for a brain transplant.
	Uh, in short, uh, this guy is their heads well he is the labor sign this president of this rope uh...
	also labor sign this image a group rock he is that to me out who's defense minister uh...
	he was as the head of labor sign that some that's what labor sign this them was it's the socialists who founded israel and they did it in the most thirty of fashions But let's not get to that now.
	Let's stay on topic.
	Now, the topic of Bolan.
	And what Boland did is he wrote a book saying that, well, literally, all Zionists are cut from the same cloth.
	He lumps all of them together.
	Therefore, 9-11 was a Jewish crime.
	Now, listen, I got problems because he did some serious research, and I write honestly.
	I don't care if I like the guy or not.
	He did do serious research.
	Now, Solving 9-11, his book is just classic hateful anti-Semitism, and he should just rewrite it so it's not so obvious, because no one's going to take it seriously.
	The problem is, parts of the book should be taken seriously.
	Look, Bolin accuses all Zionists of fomenting a false flag event on 9-11 in order to get Arab terrorists to take the rap.
	And that led immediately, like the day afterwards, American troops were sent to Afghanistan.
	Colin Powell had to delay a bit and present his reasons, but it worked.
	And then they attacked Iraq.
	American troops attacked Iraq.
	Now, this, according to Boland, was the Zionist plan all along to get America to fight Israel's enemies for Israel.
	Now, follow this.
	It gets tricky.
	Here is his argument.
	Now, to prove this is old Zionist tactics, Bolin begins with the attack on the Liberty.
	I'll just quote him briefly.
	He said, I have also studied the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty.
	What he says is it was an unarmed Navy vessel off the coast of Egypt in 1967.
	By the vicious sinus, I also studied the Liberty attack, and a lot deeper than he did.
	I mean, he's just plain superficial.
	Look, here's what I wrote, and compare the two.
	During the attack on the USS Liberty, well, I'm going to shorten this.
	Look, the 6th Fleet was in the Eastern Mediterranean, and the Liberty called for air support to save itself.
	The Admiral in command of the 6th Fleet called Washington, and Defense Secretary Robert McNamara got on the line, followed by Johnson himself, the President.
	McNamara said, and I quote, I want that goddamn ship going to the bottom.
	Now, after a few hours, the attack was stopped with the Israelis.
	They did not succeed in seeking the liberty.
	Now, I was in the Israeli Air Force for 13 years, really.
	A year and a half regular, the rest reserve.
	I went to all the air bases, talked to lots of pilots.
	Pilots dumped their bombs in the Mediterranean when they saw the American flag.
	They didn't understand why they were attacking an American ship.
	What really took place is President Johnson had personal control over the attack, and he made, well, his name is Marsha Diane, he was the Secretary of Defense.
	Yeah, he outright, outright, the real thing, traitor.
	And the real word.
	But the reason was he got good in blackmail.
	What happened is Johnson told him to sink that ship.
	Now the idea then was to blame Egypt for the sinking of the Liberty with its 277 soldiers.
	And then the U.S.
	would enter the war, take over NASA's Pro-Soviet regime.
	Now, this is important to know.
	Nasser really kicked off the United States, beginning with Eisenhower.
	He asked Eisenhower to fund a dam on the Aswan.
	And Eisenhower had it looked into by his engineers who told him that's the world's stupidest idea.
	He'll get a little hydroelectricity.
	He's got enough oil to run his electricity.
	In the meantime, it's going to hold back the silt, which has fed the Nile Valley for thousands of years of agriculture.
	And it's going to just kill all the fisheries of the eastern Mediterranean, which it has done.
	And Eisenhower told him to go take a hike.
	We're not going to support this project.
	Eisenhower threw the Americans out of Egypt after he cut a deal with the Soviet Union to build a dam.
	And of course the dam exists today and the fisheries of the Eastern Mediterranean are gone and it's silting up.
	It's got maybe 10, 15 more years before it's shelled.
	In short, the Americans, uh, well, Egypt became the Soviet Union's number one ally in the Middle East, and Johnson wanted to end that.
	And in those days, look, Johnson was the Gulf of Tonkin.
	In 64, he got an American ship attacked.
	Well, it wasn't really attacked, but the word out was the North Vietnamese attacked an American ship in the Gulf of Tonkin.
	Well, in short, that led to the Vietnam War.
	Johnson's mentality with sinking ships brings diplomatic grand schemes into focus, and he got his war again.
	He was going to do it again on the Liberty in 67.
	Okay, thank you.
	That's very well put together, and thank you very much for that explanation.
	We'll be right back and ask you some questions to delve in deeper.
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	And we are talking to Yuri James Dinesh.
	All about Israel's role in 9-11 and in ways in which he is drilling down and clarifying just who in Israel was involved and also sort of how things played out from his investigative work.
	That is revealing sort of a trail that leads to I guess what you call very labor Zionists and making a very strong distinction between other groups in Israel which is interesting and I'm assuming labor Zionists as you said have control of the government.
	No.
	Well, yes, but look, on paper it's still the Likud.
	The Israeli people have not voted in a labor government since 1974.
	The Israeli people want nothing to do with labor Zionism, but they've got control of the money and all that that buys.
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	Now, look.
	As far as he's concerned, while Israel sinks American ships, well, that's not what happened.
	The Liberty was the Pueblo.
	It was the Pueblo, Johnson's Pueblo, to get rid of Nasser.
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	Just follow with me.
	He uses...
	Look, the chief of the Mossad for decades was Isser Harrell.
	In the 60s, he ran the Damocles Operation, which Bolin writes, quote, was a terror-bombing campaign to threaten German citizens and scientists, German scientists, and prevent them from helping Egypt develop its defense systems.
	Now, look, guys, Nobody believes that.
	In short, what it comes down to is that Israel killed a bunch of Nazis who were very close to developing a guided missile system aimed at Israel.
	It worked.
	It was proven legitimate.
	Hollywood made movies out of it.
	And what on earth is he defending these Nazis for?
	And that becomes very, very bothersome.
	Now, let's follow his logic further.
	Now, he must have gone through the internet, found a thousand quotes, till he got the ones that fit in with his thesis.
	His thesis is dangerous.
	In short, he's blaming all Jews for 9-11, and believe you me, we're gonna pay for that if it spreads.
	All Jews knew nothing about 9-11, but here's where it gets a little tricky.
	Now, follow with me.
	Har-El, in an interview with Michael Evans, who I sort of know from Israel, he He told, Evans asked him if terrorism will strike America, and Harrell answers in the affirmative, quote, it's likely they will strike the Empire State Building, a symbol of your power.
	Now, this was said in 1979, and from this bit of speculation, look, if you were the You didn't have to be the chief of the Mossad to figure out if the Arabs are going to strike somewhere.
	It's likely to be New York.
	And the best place in New York is the Empire State Building, big deal.
	But from this bit of speculation, Boland builds a really broad conspiracy.
	Well, let me just stop you there just to kind of find out a little more about this in terms of what you're saying is that the labor Zionists were involved, however.
	I'm going to get to that.
	Okay.
	I'm getting to that.
	Yeah, I have a few apostrophes before I do, but in short...
	What Bolin is saying, and then I'll dispute it, what Bolin is saying is that Harrell developed a plan and then let him Yahoo all through the 80s, further the aims with his appeal to wage war against Israel's enemies, he claims,
	And the plan comes to fruition out the 90s when all the players are gathered together to play their roles.
	Now, right now in the book, Bowman throws punches in all directions, but he manages to hit a few of those punches.
	Now, here's what he actually writes.
	And if he could figure out his... Alright, here's what he writes.
	Quote one.
	Shimon Peres has the credentials of a Zionist arch terrorist.
	Furthermore, he has the record and worldview and the capability to be an architectural planner of 9-11.
	Next quote.
	I discovered Olbert had visited New York on the eve of the 9-11 terror atrocity.
	Why wasn't his visit reported in the media?
	Next quote, in March of 2001, Ehud Barak came to America.
	His assignment was to oversee the preparation for the terror attacks of 9-11.
	Barak needed to arrange the production of an advanced form of super thermite.
	It's a very powerful explosive produced using nanotechnology.
	I'm in Bolin's camp right now.
	I know these creeps.
	Look, I can say this as objectively as possible.
	I would suggest you go get my book, Who Murdered These Cockroach Beans?
	It's at lulu.com, by the way.
	L-U-L-U dot com.
	You'll see a search box right in my name.
	C-H-A-M-I-S-H.
	Read that book and try and dispute me.
	Nobody has.
	Peres knocked off Rabin.
	He murdered him.
	And, by the way, if one of these days you want a full show on that one, boy, I'm the expert.
	My book went to number one in Israel.
	It was translated into nine languages and it should have taken off in America, but listen, a lot of people made sure it didn't.
	But in Israel, everyone Everyone knows it was a conspiracy led by Paris to knock off Rabin.
	He also knocked off Sharon.
	Sharon is actually alive in the hospital waiting for a brain transplant.
	Eitan Zevi, this man to get his way, he murders people who gets in his way of so-called peace.
	Now his peace center Well, its first order of business in the 90s was to fund nanotechnology.
	Now as for Ehud Barak, who is Netanyahu's defense minister, oh my goodness gracious, Ehud Barak He arrived in Washington the night before JFK Jr.
	was murdered.
	And he was murdered.
	He was the editor of a magazine called George, which was, he was the only American publisher exposing the real Rabin murder.
	And he had to go and, another show on that one.
	and after a who don't work look he was called treasure of the liquid party in the eighties he was supposed to go to jail for massive fraud but he didn't his partner did though for three and a half years but not much months when he left prison he was which given the money He had a new firm, ICTS, International Consultants and Targeted Security.
	They bought an American firm, Huntley, and took over security for Logan Airport in Boston and Newark Airport.
	Those were the airports that 9-11 planes took off from before they crashed either into buildings or into the ground in Pennsylvania, which will become very relevant shortly.
	In short, without Ehud Olmert's partner, you couldn't have done 9-11.
	His firm His firm checked cargo, visas, passports, passengers.
	They were in charge of security at the airports where the planes of 9-11 took off from.
	Now look, what you've got, I have confirmation.
	Alright, here's my whistleblower.
	9-11 was the setup from day one because one of the architects of the World Trade Center, Aaron Swirsky, he lives in Netanya.
	He wrote me and he called me, but here's what he wrote me.
	I found the quote.
	How could jet fuel have caused the collapse?
	We have a sprinkler system on the roof to douse a fire caused by a 707 crash.
	Besides, the fire was out for over an hour before the buildings collapsed.
	That was, in short, an architect of the World Trade Center says it could not have happened.
	And by the way, I agree with Bolan on this.
	World Trade Center could never have happened without the help A very strong explosive.
	Come on, who ever heard of three buildings collapsing in a day anywhere in the world?
	Now, let's look at Boehler.
	Again, there's a reason for my logic, and we will get to Labor Zionist, because right now he gives all the people involved in the cover-up.
	I'll speed through this.
	First of all, I'll jump to the punchline.
	They're all tied up with labor Zionism in ways... Well, look, here are the names.
	You figure it out for yourself.
	Peter, I guess, he was the managing director of NTSB.
	That was the federal agency that investigates air crashes, but he also personally supervised the very mysterious crash of JFK Jr.'s plane off of Cape Cod.
	And, well, you can figure that out.
	He has Morris Greenberg.
	He's the head of the insurance company AIG, the first plane that struck the World Trade Center went straight for the secure computer room of Mars.
	That is a company run by his son.
	Now it gets even worse.
	To broker, there was a scrap deal.
	All of 9-11, all the steel went to Asia.
	Uh, which made no economic sense.
	That was due to, well, the presidentially pardoned Mark Rich without diving into it.
	And as for Michael Chertoff, he was the senior official responsible for investigating and prosecuting 9-11.
	He made sure that the steel got to Asian mills instead of being examined as evidence.
	But the real problem, and by the way, the names keep rolling off.
	Michael Goff was the marketing man who, well, he sold P-TECH software to the FAA.
	That rigged the planes to crash into the buildings.
	Then there was Jeremy Crow.
	That's the Mossad agent who gained control of the world's security at the World Trade Center.
	And Arnold Milken, he arranged the buying of the super thermite Actually used, the explosive used to bring down the buildings.
	Now here's what Bolin writes of Milken.
	Israeli authors close to Milken say that he and Shimon Peres are strategic partners and holders of some of Israel's most significant secrets.
	Now look, let's get something very straight before we dive into what that means.
	I know 9-11 was an inside job.
	The most blatant clues are the giveaways.
	World Trade Center leasee, that's Larry Silverstein, he took over the properties in July of 2001 with a double indemnity cause that gave him 7 billion bucks, only if the buildings were filled by terrorists.
	Lucky Larry.
	And look, when United Airlines 93 fell, or was felled in Pennsylvania, it would, instead of crashing into Building 7, and with fire marshals threatening to discover the explosives within Building 7, at 520 p.m., in the smoldering shadows of Buildings 1 and 2, Larry Silverstein On video, everyone's seen this.
	He pulled Building 7 in a perfect controlled demolition.
	The conspiracy started breaking down.
	UA-93 was supposed to go into Building 7.
	For some reason, instead it crashed in Pennsylvania.
	They were one airplane short And with people snooping around the buildings, the evidence of explosives would have been found.
	So we engineered a perfect controlled demolition.
	Good job in one afternoon.
	Okay.
	Thank you, Barry Shamish.
	We'll be right back after this break.
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	We are talking to Barry Shamish.
	Hello?
	Hi, I'm here.
	Okay, I'm not...
	Is that somebody's phone?
	No, it's...
	I heard the noise too, but it's not from mine.
	I see, fine.
	Okay.
	So, I just want to, I'm sorry, but they knocked me off the air at a certain point.
	I've been trying to catch up on what you were saying there.
	I understand that you're basically saying, well, I'm not even sure, are you disputing the fact or the idea that is put forward that it's, let's see, no, Barack, I'm sorry, Hold on one second.
	Are you disputing who was masterminding the Israeli sort of involvement in 9-11?
	Oh my Lord, if I wanted to, I could write a book tracing all the Protestants involved in the attack, beginning with the President, dripping down to Cheney.
	Look, what happened in the States could not have been done by the labor Zionist you had to have had major high level high level involvement but that's not the point what what he writes look he's what he's on the right track well right I'm
	I know about Paris and I know about Barack and I wouldn't put anything but nothing.
	I would not put anything over them.
	They could do anything.
	They are that rotten.
	But what he writes is, the strategy was first articulated by the extreme right-wing politician Benjamin Netanyahu in 1980.
	In 1980, Netanyahu was 29 years old, and his political career hadn't yet begun, but I've traced this so thoroughly.
	Netanyahu is thoroughly controlled by an American organization.
	It's called the Council on Foreign Relations.
	He was an actual member in 92.
	Listen, it's not a tail wagging the dog here.
	The dog is wagging Israel.
	Let me, because, you know, Barry, I've got a lot of places I want to go with you during these, well, the hour and 15 minutes we have left here.
	We have that much time left?
	I'm sorry?
	We have an hour and 15 minutes left?
	Or so, yeah.
	Yeah, we do.
	All right, then let me finish this, and then you can have a freebie.
	I'm almost done with my review.
	Let's go to the punchline.
	Go right ahead then.
	Look, what Boland has done, he's got the Likud doing 9-11.
	When all of his suspects are labor, except for Olmert, though, I won't dive into that one.
	This guy's just so darn corrupt.
	Let's put it.
	In perspective, during the last depression, FDR had a similar gang of labor Zionists with names you might recognize like Brandeis and Schiff and Astor and Wise, all working to make sure the Jews of Europe were slaughtered without American interference.
	At the same time, there was a genuine rebellion by the Irgun to save the Jews, to start an army.
	It was crushed by the Labor Zionists.
	The religious Jews of Europe were all but wiped out to the last man by the Labor Zionists, so they can rebuild an Israel in their image.
	These are the peacemakers of Israel today.
	And just like in the 40s, Israel, run by these crooks, faces annihilation.
	No joking around when I say that.
	Look, Boland's whole book Oh, beginning with an incredibly ignorant foreword, then he quotes all kinds of Jewish turncoats, like Avram Borg and Chomsky and Ostrovsky and Shachak, and he expresses phony sympathy for the oppressed Arabs.
	He constantly refers to his German identity.
	This damn book reads like it was written for the Nazis 70 years ago!
	Okay, and I'm not, I wouldn't be surprised there at all by the conclusion on your part.
	But what I want to do here is kind of make a sort of a left turn, if you will, before we get, I'd like to get back to the bombing of the ship and the complicity of Johnson.
	And I'd like to ask you, where are your sources coming from on this?
	Because I believe you're correct.
	Okay, so I'm not I'm not disputing it.
	There's no doubt that there has to be complicity on some level of the American government in order for the for whatever groups involved in Israel to get involved.
	However they get involved, whether it be bombing a ship or sinking a ship or whatever.
	Israel would never attack America.
	It's not that stupid.
	And again, I'm going to say with the World Trade Center, for Israel to attack the World Trade Center would be the end of the country and finished.
	Listen, the real issue here is that the labor Zionists have brought a massive death To innocence, but no one as much as we other Jews.
	Now look, there's a book that you should look at.
	It's called The Transfer Agreement.
	Edwin Black.
	What a book, in a way.
	It traces a horrible agreement between the labor Zionists and the Nazis.
	It was signed, sealed, and delivered in 1933.
	Up until that time, there were 250 Jewish groups representing the Jews of Germany.
	They were all banned.
	Only one was allowed, labor Zionism.
	They ran camps in Germany, well, turning doctors, lawyers, all kinds of professionals into farmers to work in dam kibbutzim They managed to get 80,000 out, and then the gates were closed.
	No one was allowed into Palestine after the 80,000 German Jews arrived there.
	What you've got is a horrible agreement between the labor Zionists and the Nazis.
	And they knew what it would lead to.
	Now, you may not know Chaim Weizmann, but he was the first president of Israel in 1936.
	At the Zionist conference, I believe it was in Basel, whatever the quote is, Not many Jews will survive the upcoming Holocaust, and that's the word he used.
	He thought two million would survive, but he said they'll be strong and good for Israel.
	The other Jews are consigned to the dustbin of history.
	Direct quote from Israel's first president, Chaim Weizmann.
	They knew what they were doing.
	These labor Zionists knew what they were doing.
	They did not want a bunch of Israeli... Israeli?
	Silly me.
	Jewish religious...
	They didn't want them in their country.
	Okay, but, you know, just to bring this up to the present day, what, you know, and I found that the fact that you wrap in the dam in Egypt as a very interesting sort of objective... I'm not an expert on the liberty.
	If, I mean, really, What can I tell you?
	I'm an expert in all kinds of other things that I'm comfortable with, but the thinking of a liberty is not my expertise.
	Yeah, I understand.
	I understand where you're going with that, but what I want to ask you, you know, because we're in a situation here where the stage is actually set for another kind of liberty incident right now.
	Are you aware of that?
	You've got I think two fleets in the Persian Gulf, if that's what you mean.
	You mean a tank, a plane sinking, an aircraft carrier or something?
	Well, no.
	Actually, I've been told they're called UUVs.
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	And I have a person who, his name is David E. Martin.
	I believe that's his name.
	Anyway, he came on my show and was talking about a possible false flag that may happen around October.
	Well, again, that is massive.
	Excuse me, just let me finish here so that you can kind of get the gist of it.
	And then I'd love to hear your response.
	All I'm saying here is that there is a very strong possibility, from what I understand, of an effort to get us involved with Iran, the same way they did with Iraq.
	And we'll be right back, unfortunately.
	Here's the break.
	And so on the other side of the break, I'd love to hear your response to that.
	Thank you.
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	Whistleblower Radio and we're talking to Barry Seamus.
	Barry, right before the break I was asking you a question about a possible false flag that we're looking at that may in some ways echo what went on with the Liberty and only that according to David E. Martin, someone who has written a book about his experience on a very high level of involvement
	Um, and and sort of access, uh, at governmental levels, uh, way above government, even as you think of it, uh, more about the controller level, uh, is talking about a plan to use what's called an underwater unmanned vehicle.
	to basically create a false flag against one of the ships, similar to what happened with the Liberty.
	And there's no doubt about it that it will be blamed that Israel will be considered the sort of fulcrum of that attack.
	And I'm just wondering if you have heard anything about this at all.
	No.
	Look, it's a scenario.
	Yes.
	Look, I deal with my own sources.
	And why Israel was a fulcrum happening?
	How exactly is it balancing a lever?
	Why is Israel the fulcrum of this scenario?
	Well, in some ways, the idea being that, from what I understand, Israel would like to get into a war with Iran.
	This is what we're being told in the media time and time again.
	You sure are.
	Look, I want you to understand something.
	I deal with what would happen if there was a war.
	Uh, with Iran, uh, started by Israel.
	Uh, Israel wouldn't exist the next day.
	Uh, Israel cannot win this war.
	Now what you've got, oh, Hezbollah's probably got, oh, 50 to 80,000, believe it or not, 50 to 80,000 missiles.
	Uh, the real problem is Syria's got Missiles with really dangerous warheads.
	Biological, chemical.
	I've heard even nuclear.
	Maybe just dirty nuclear.
	You know, throw around a few rags that were in a reactor or something.
	But nonetheless, the border is wide open now.
	I mean, Syria is collapsing.
	Hezbollah is getting all kinds of stuff over that border.
	If there's a war, You have to remember what happened in 2006 when Israel fought Hezbollah.
	Israel lost.
	And I was in contact with Israel every day, almost, during that war.
	And all of northern Israel, anyone who had a car, evacuated and abandoned their homes.
	You had all of northern Israel abandoned.
	What happened is that Israel lost to Hezbollah in a missile war.
	OK, but let's let's look at the situation of who is Netanyahu and what is his agenda?
	Because I've got an article here that was written and published yesterday or today on Veterans Today.
	Are you familiar with that publication?
	Yeah, they published.
	Well, I'm familiar with it because they published my recent piece and sent it every which way.
	Okay, great.
	So they've got an article today by Gordon Duff that talks about a General Dempsey, who is chairman of the America's Joint Chiefs of Staff.
	And from what I understand, he basically is saying to Netanyahu, that America does not want to get involved in a war against Iran.
	And apparently, this general was then subject to an assassination attempt.
	What do I know about that?
	Well, yeah, but it brings in what they're basically saying is that perhaps Netanyahu is involved.
	And you're talking about what you call the labor Zionists.
	And I'm just wondering since Netanyahu would be considered the leader of that group.
	No, he wouldn't.
	He's the leader of the Likud, which supposedly is the right wing of Israel, but it isn't.
	The right wing of Israel has absolutely no power.
	I mean, none.
	What you're talking about, again...
	accused Netanyahu of assassination.
	I happen to, I don't know him well, but I know we've met, and I know some of his staff.
	I know Dory Gold, that's his UN ambassador.
	We were friends briefly in Israel.
	But are you saying, my question is whether or not Netanyahu, indeed, is involved with certainly getting Israel sort of embroiled in a war?
	Netanyahu is a pawn of the Council on Foreign Relations and he doesn't do anything unilaterally.
	Nothing.
	What are you picking on Netanyahu for?
	Well, it's not a matter of picking.
	I'm citing an article here by Gordon Duff that is suggesting... I don't know who he is, and I don't know who the general is, and I really doubt that Netanyahu would order an assassination.
	It sounds pretty wacky to me.
	Okay, so you do not feel that Netanyahu has the kind of power that they're actually alluding to here?
	I don't even know what the article is and it sounds kind of irresponsible.
	It sounds like he doesn't know Israel.
	Well, okay.
	Veterans Today is the publication.
	He's the senior editor of Veterans Today.
	His name is Gordon Duff.
	He's a CIA agent.
	Well, I doubt agent.
	Maybe an ex or something.
	Look, all I can say If you're asking the wrong person, what you're trying to imply is that Netanyahu ordered a hit after he had a disagreement with a general, and that's not who he is.
	I'm trying to tell you that I know him, and I know his staff.
	I know the American ambassador to Washington.
	In fact, we were very close friends in the Army.
	And what you're describing is not...
	Okay, fair enough, fair enough.
	So let's go down the road of, you are saying that it's what you call the labor Zionists.
	So who's in charge of the labor Zionists at this time in Israel?
	I'm sorry?
	Defense Minister Ehud Barak.
	Listen, they shouldn't even be in the Knesset, in the Cabinet.
	They don't have any public support.
	They're there because, well, Netanyahu was, like previous administrations, forced to take them in.
	What you're describing again is this vast war coming up, and I'm trying to tell you that Israel will lose in this war coming up.
	We're talking from two different perspectives.
	You're talking like Israel is strong.
	Israel is not strong.
	The last war they fought against Hezbollah, Israel lost.
	Alright?
	It went on for 34 days.
	Israel's economy was shattered.
	The entire north of the country was abandoned.
	A war for Israel.
	And again, I'm trying to explain this to you.
	There's missiles everywhere going from the Syrian side to the Hezbollah side.
	What you've got, even if Israel wins, What is a victory?
	What is a victory if you lose thousands of people and your country is in ashes?
	Yeah, I'm with you on that.
	Look, we're both on the same side in that regard, no doubt about it.
	Well, what I'm trying to do here is kind of bring things into the present day, if you will.
	What I'd like to do is talk about, because I know you've written this other book, and I do want to talk about your book called The Return of the Giants.
	Oh, yeah.
	That's going to be a very odd... Well, we'll do it.
	I mean, what the heck?
	I got probably as much international recognition over that one as the Rabin one.
	It's going to ruin my credibility to a few listeners, but okay, if you want us to jump there, we'll jump there.
	No, the thing is, you know, this is Project Camelot, okay?
	You're dealing with Project Camelot here, and this is the radio station that you're on, and so we have a listening base that goes all across the map according to, you know, what they Well, I just gave you the answer.
	Look, you want to do Return of the Giants, I'll do Return of the Giants.
	I'm ready for you, okay?
	All right.
	planet Earth, and where is it coming from, and where is it going?
	Not from me.
	Well, but you are dealing with...
	Well, I just gave you the answer.
	Look, you want to do Return of the Giants, I'll do Return of the Giants.
	I'm ready for you, okay?
	All right.
	But let me do an intro.
	All right.
	Because no matter who your listeners are, what I just spoke about was dead serious.
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	If you want to look at Return of the Giants and all my books... books.
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	There, I did that.
	Now we can talk about Return of the Giants.
	Let me slow you down just a little bit because before we go to the Return of the Giants, what I want to do is ask you a few leftover questions.
	And I know that this is, you know, look, this is the fact that you've written two different kinds of books.
	Well, I've written 13.
	I've written 13 books in the last 20 years.
	I'm talking most recently, and what we want to do is deal with both of them, if we can, in the short span of time that we have.
	Just to get people familiar with your work, if you don't mind.
	And so what I want to do is I want to ask you where Rothschild, in your view... What Rothschild?
	I don't know any Rothschilds.
	Again, you're asking the wrong question.
	If you want to dive into a family... I mean, which Rothschild?
	What's his name?
	Well... No, what's his name?
	You're saying Rothschild.
	What's his name?
	Which Rothschild?
	Okay, I don't know.
	Baron Rothschild.
	I don't know.
	Right.
	I don't want to dive into this.
	This kind of broad...
	Ultimately, if you don't know who you're talking about, I actually know a little bit about this, and I don't want to dive into this.
	The fact of the matter is, if you want to talk about the French Rothschild family, they put in the money to build a Supreme Court in Israel, which unfortunately is Really a grotesque, cultic building with the all-seeing pyramid and the obelisk and the 33 steps and all the crap and stuff like that.
	I know, but I can tell you who and I can tell you what you did and you're just painting broad strokes that rock shields are behind this and this.
	It doesn't work that way.
	Okay, if it doesn't work that way, do they have any impact on, does the Rothschild family, who are the banking empire, okay, do they have any impact on Israel?
	Name their banks!
	If they're the banking empire, name their banks.
	They own every bank on the planet.
	That's, again, that's not true.
	Okay, that's not true because you know it to be not true, or you know what I'm talking about.
	All right, prove your own Bank of America.
	Yes.
	How?
	They do.
	Well, this is the area where we're actually going to a level of power that, I don't know, maybe you think only in terms of country versus country.
	I think in terms of actual individuals.
	Owning banks, I have to know what they own.
	I know if you want to do Rothschild, I can actually talk a little bit about it, but you're just painting a very broad stroke of a conspiracy.
	It's a question.
	I'm not painting anything.
	It's a question.
	If you want to go down that road, I'm asking you, do you know anything about the involvement of Rothschild?
	No, I don't want to go down it.
	I don't want to go down that road.
	You want to talk that the first Israeli community rishon lezion was funded by the British Rothschild family?
	Fine.
	You want to talk that the Balfour Agreement was sent to Sir Lionel Rothschild and that got the ball rolling?
	Fine.
	But I know the details, and you don't.
	And you're painting a conspiracy with rock shows behind it.
	Yes, they are behind some stuff.
	Excuse me, you're jumping to a lot of conclusions.
	I've asked you a question.
	It's just a question.
	It's not painting anything.
	If you don't want to address the question, that's fair enough.
	We can go to another question.
	It's your right.
	Let's make it simple and easy with that issue.
	Israel's first city, Rishon Lezion, came from the English Rothschild family.
	They put up the funds.
	All right, Lord Balfour in 1917, yes, sent Lionel Rothschild a copy where the British government would look upon favor of a Jewish entity in Palestine.
	Yes, that's all true, but when you try and put it together, I'm not going to do that.
	All right, fair enough.
	What I know about has been a disaster for the Jewish people.
	The disaster of labor Zionism.
	I wish it never existed.
	I wish the Jews of Europe still lived.
	There is a history of, well, how can you say, within the Jewish people are our own worst enemies.
	And when you look at our own worst enemies, you have a history.
	And I can... I wrote a book about this.
	It's called Shabtai Zvi, Labor Zionism, and the Holocaust.
	I have many people who have told me that's my best book, better than Rabin.
	Oh, I hear music.
	When we get back, do you want to talk about... I'd like to talk about The Return of the Giants.
	Yes.
	Thank you, Barry.
	We'll be right back.
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	We are talking to Barry Shamish and right before the break we were asking him some questions about the involvement of the Rothschilds in Israel and also prior to that Netanyahu and what exactly his sort of role has been.
	So Barry, I know we're kind of going over some of this stuff on a fairly Superficial basis at the moment, but we have only limited time because of the nature of radio.
	And so what I'm trying to do is is get a sort of bits and pieces of all your work in here so that we can begin to to find common ground.
	You do have plenty of common ground.
	Yes, absolutely.
	And so what what I'm asking here is now in terms of of your book, Return of the Giants, We can now make the leap to Return of the Giants.
	Do you want to give an introduction?
	Yeah, again, I was in Israel trying to make a living.
	Okay.
	Now, the UFO business started when I was in the Air Force.
	I served, let's just say I'm Uh, we had very good equipment in my unit and in the summer of 1980 we had Convoys, squadrons of UFOs flying over Israel.
	Turns out they were flying over everywhere, but neither here nor there.
	I would take our binoculars and I'd watch these things and then people would follow me.
	And before you knew it, we were fighting.
	I mean, these things, try to imagine, try to imagine a 90 degree turn in midair.
	They were doing stunts that no Air Force could do.
	So we would watch these things and really good equipment...
	I watched them.
	My duty was, I was a missile operator.
	I was supposed to shoot things in the sky.
	So, our units had equipment to watch things in the sky a lot better than you can imagine.
	We were fighting about what they were.
	It really was two camps.
	We all agreed on what we saw.
	Okay, and again, can we talk about what year was this?
	1980 okay very good so so at that point what did you do?
	I what I did was uh well I was a soldier and I again there were two There were two camps.
	One was, this was secret weapons.
	They were testing secret weapons.
	The other was, no way there are secret weapons that can turn 90 degrees.
	The other was, they are genuine UFOs.
	And we were split in two, and it was causing great disharmony in our unit.
	So we went to our officers and we said, look, we've got to know what are we watching every night.
	And lo and behold, one morning we were told to put on dress uniforms, those you wore when you went home, and stand in threes.
	At attention.
	Okay, we put on dress uniforms.
	We stood in threes.
	We stood at attention.
	In comes an officer.
	He's from, believe it or not, the meteorological division of the Air Force, of all things.
	And, you know, we're told at ease.
	And he says, I understand you've been seeing things in the sky.
	And we all said, Well, in Hebrew.
	Yes, sir.
	And he says, well, you didn't.
	And anyone who tells anyone that they saw something in the sky is going to be held for trial.
	And he steps back.
	Our officers come forward and tell us to go back to attention.
	Then he leaves.
	We were ordered, under threat of a trial, not to discuss this.
	Oh, that's just amazing.
	Yeah.
	No, believe me, it's minor.
	The big way.
	That's what started me.
	I started reading UFO books.
	I mean, look, I'm a soldier and I'm not an officer.
	And they told me I would be put in jail if I opened my mouth about this.
	So I started reading books and I got interested in subjects.
	Then, the big wave hit.
	Now, it lasted from 1987 to 1999, but this was no ordinary wave.
	All of us all knew about it.
	Front page news, television, television reports, hundreds of thousands had seen them.
	I'm going to give you a few examples.
	The big, big turning point was in 1993.
	When she ported Carmel in a town called Kadima, well, she not only saw the being she had in her backyard, A circle, and I was there I think a year later, nothing grew in this circle.
	What she, she got up one morning, all the, by the way, everything I'm going to say happened on the Sabbath, on a Saturday morning, something that can be seven different witnesses.
	Not all from Kadima.
	There were two from Kadima.
	The rest were from elsewhere.
	They didn't know each other.
	They all were visited by giants.
	Now, look, what we just spoke about previously and what we just spoke about what we are speaking about now, I don't think are connected, but there is a slight connection, which I'll mention later.
	The point is, I was a freelance journalist trying to earn my living.
	I interviewed Sephora, and I went down to her place, and then this was on April 20th of 1993.
	She had another visitation.
	The first time she felt drawn outside, she went outside and saw what she saw was a seven-foot bean.
	She called it in a beekeeper's hat.
	Now, everyone spoke telepathically.
	She saw a, well, a disc.
	And there was a path from the disc.
	He was, oh, 20 yards away down the path.
	Look, believe me, looking at flowers.
	One of the great questions we have later is why these beings would come from God knows where to look at flowers.
	But neither here nor there.
	This disc adds a second floor in front of her eyes.
	She looks right.
	She sees this being.
	Wearing a beekeeper's hat.
	She says to it, take off the hat.
	I want to see your face.
	And it answers her telepathically.
	Can't do.
	No way.
	And tells her, go back into the house.
	I'm busy.
	I have things to do.
	And she obeys it.
	She comes out later in the afternoon.
	And there's nothing there but the disc.
	The circle in her backyard.
	The same thing happens a week later.
	So I interview her, and this is the beginning of Return of the Giants.
	After her came Shoshana Arbel, also from Kadima.
	Look, her story is... This is fascinating.
	This is excellent information, Barry, and I'm so glad that you had the guts to write about this stuff.
	I was starving!
	It was where I was able to make a buck!
	Look, curiosity, first of all.
	Later on I continued the whole investigation because the media of the world were attracted to me somehow.
	You know I was the advisor to five episodes of the Sighting Show?
	No, I didn't know that.
	Well, no, I was.
	As a matter of fact, a friend of mine saw me on the Science Channel two weeks ago.
	That was the Fox TV half an hour primetime TV on my investigations.
	My investigations went worldwide.
	Look, Let's continue with the story and you'll see what's going on.
	I didn't just investigate.
	I sent these things to the board.
	There was physical evidence.
	Alright, let's go back to the story.
	Let's go back to the story.
	Shoshana Arbel is the next woman and her story is a little weirder.
	In this case, Whatever it was, it went through the wall to circle her bed.
	Again, through the wall, there was no other entrance.
	Whatever these things were, they don't react to physical nature like us.
	It circled, again, seven foot tall, barely any nostrils, big eyes, bald head, All of them described this.
	All of them described the same thing.
	In her case, she told it telepathically.
	It wasn't there to harm her.
	And she relaxed automatically.
	And in the morning, she thought it was a dream.
	The husband slept through it all.
	All the husbands slept through it all.
	It was only women who saw the Giants.
	They were all 39 years old.
	Two of them, they were weird pregnancies.
	I won't dive into the details.
	She looks, she opens her blinds, looks in her backyard.
	There is the circle.
	This time, there was a UFO community in Israel.
	They gathered at the circle.
	Now, inside the circle were two physical commonalities.
	One, there was a red fluid.
	You put your hand in the circle.
	Your hand was red.
	It was doused in some sort of oil.
	It was gathered.
	Secondly, there was a rock, very crystal clear.
	It was in all the circles.
	It was gathered.
	I sent it to laboratories.
	Other people sent it to other laboratories.
	It was almost pure silicon.
	99, I think it was 0.38.
	At that time, mankind didn't commonly, or if at all, get silicon that pure.
	Later, it was used in computers.
	The point is, that was in her backyard.
	Next!
	Oh my goodness, Shoshanna... Shoshanna Arb... No, that's not her name.
	My goodness.
	You caught me off guard.
	She lives...
	Oh my goodness.
	I'm so embarrassed.
	You know, that's okay, Barry, because we don't need to go into all the different details.
	When you find out how these giants reacted to the women.
	Hannah Somich, I got it.
	Hannah Somich lives about five miles away.
	Now, listen to this.
	She gets up at three in the morning, her dog is barking.
	She goes into the kitchen and she sees the dog barking and suddenly the dog is lifted in the air and smashes, smashes head first into the wall.
	She looks out from the The door to her porch, and she sees the same seven-foot, giant, bald-headed being, and she says to it, now believe it or not, she says to it, what did you do to my dog?
	Now this being believe it or not again is examining her truck of all things.
	They have to go through the universe and probably dimensions, I don't know what they did actually, to arrive there to look at her truck and the being again answers her telepathically, listen ma'am, I added the ma'am, says I could do the same thing to you.
	Go back to your husband.
	Go back to bed.
	I'm busy.
	So she tries to go outside to confront it and her door is blocked.
	Who knows?
	Her door was blocked by something invisible.
	That was the next one.
	By the way, I went to all these people's homes.
	I saw all their desks.
	I saw all the evidence.
	I sent it to the citing... That was Dr. Levengood.
	I gave the silicon.
	I had it chipped off at the University of Birmingham.
	Another one chipped off at the University of Pisa.
	I had them all tested.
	They were all returned to me.
	They were... Look, the silicon, everyone agreed, was 99.3 and plus percent raw silicon, what was it doing in their backyards?
	The oil that was in their backyards was very normally, well it had high levels of aluminum and iron, which couldn't expect it.
	But it had a huge jump in cadmium, which is not usually an oil.
	It's usually metallic, and that was considered very, very strange by the crew of sightings, by Dr. Levengood's sightings.
	The point is... Okay, let me ask you, Barry.
	Did you talk about this on sightings?
	Of course I did.
	I'll send you a DVD where all five sightings are shown.
	You can have them all, just email me your address and you'll get it.
	Okay, excellent.
	Well, I think you're going to get a lot of emails.
	Do you want to say your email address?
	Go to my website at barrychammers.com and you'll get my email address.
	And anyone who wants it for cost, I'll send it out.
	And by the way, there's much more on there.
	Okay, but at this point, you've got these incidents in which they're all talking about a being, one being by itself, right?
	Um, no, no, no, no.
	Now, you have the incident in Rishon LeZion.
	I'll tell you this story.
	Okay, right after the break.
	We'd love to hear the story.
	So we'll be right back.
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	Okay, this is this is Karen Rikki's "Sassie Projects of the Whistleore Radio." And we are talking to Barry Shamish.
	We've made a right turn here, left turn, whatever you want to call it, into his book, The Return of the Giants.
	And Barry, I do think you're on to something here.
	I don't know if you've connected the dots, but I believe it connects back into what's going on on the planet.
	And so let's proceed along this line, if you don't mind.
	You said that the beings do not operate on their own necessarily.
	A couple of these sightings saw one being.
	So you're saying there are some sightings with more than one?
	Come on!
	There were whole crafts!
	Whole crafts!
	Let's go to the incident of Batya Shimon.
	That's in Rishon Lezion.
	Now, up till now, by the way, this is July of 1993.
	Up till now, from April 20th, all the incidents Um, have been on the ground.
	Uh, there were circles.
	There, by the way, there were 15 meters in diameter.
	They were all the same size till later.
	A little later, they got, they got different.
	But neither him nor the Batya Shimon lived on the seventh floor of her apartment block.
	And that made it different.
	In July, one night, two beings, by the way, the same thing, seven feet tall, wearing metallic, they called it neon or shiny or metallic, they all used the same description, roamed her apartment. they all used the same description, roamed her apartment.
	Now, her husband, again, slept through, and she didn't.
	Just leave it at that.
	So they roam around, and she thought it was a dream.
	The next night, she wakes up again.
	Her husband doesn't.
	And she's got 13 eyes.
	13 of them, a whole group of these same 7 foot giants roaming her apartment and dusting it.
	She called it sulfuric looking dust.
	They are overturning her apartment.
	And one of them goes into her son's bedroom.
	He sees an aquarium and the fish.
	He gets very excited and calls over a buddy.
	He comes over to look at the fish.
	And by the way, they went through the walls somehow.
	Seventh floor, they didn't climb up a ladder.
	That's about to assume, and now I want to add something.
	She phoned me from Los Angeles.
	I guess it was about almost a year late.
	No, it was July, and she phoned me in the fall.
	It was months later, actually.
	She gets very excited on the phone.
	She says, you have to help me.
	I'm pregnant.
	I said, congratulations.
	She said, you don't understand.
	It can't be my husband.
	How many years before, about 20 years before she got pregnant, she didn't know how, she had the forms and gave them to the sightings crew.
	The pregnancy disappeared a few months later.
	The forms just said pregnancy gone.
	There was something going on there, above and beyond what we think about.
	I'm not going to dive into that.
	Just leave it be said.
	That was one episode, the episode of the Giants.
	Now, first of all, you want to connect the dots.
	I'll connect them to you.
	The best I can do in this book.
	Then we'll go back to this long, long wave of UFOs.
	And I want to add something.
	Well, Israel was getting them like crazy, and I'll send you the DVD that I made.
	They're in every shape, size, and form you can imagine.
	Israel's neighbors didn't get it.
	They weren't being seen in Lebanon or Jordan or the Sinai.
	It was an Israeli thing.
	Now, in short... Okay, but at this moment, what I'd like you to Do is, can you say that all the beings look the same?
	And can you can you really kind of drill down?
	I can do that easily.
	Again, the sightings crew asked all the women to draw them.
	And it's on the DVD.
	It's on the sighting show.
	They all have the same bald headed.
	How do we put this?
	Little nose, little mouth, big eyes.
	They all drew the same thing.
	I haven't thought about that already.
	But they're all seven feet tall, correct?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Now, did any of the people that you interviewed, did they ever go in a ship?
	No.
	Okay, interesting.
	Well, now that I remember, and frankly, again, this book, My Return of the Giants, Uh, I didn't make things up.
	They didn't claim that, but I did mention the pregnancies.
	And I did mention that all the visits were on a Saturday night.
	There were major coincidences, but let me dot the i's for you right now.
	Look at the dates of when it all happened.
	Now, I admit this is speculation.
	Up till now, it's not.
	But the first visitation, that was, again, our bell.
	And it wasn't exactly a visitation.
	No, none of these giants wanted anything to do with their witnesses.
	They were up to something else, and it seems like they were up to really stupid stuff like looking at flowers and fish and trucks.
	You worked that one out, but the fact is April 20th was the first.
	I believe it was the 7th of July was the last.
	That was the seven-foot giant visitation phase.
	Look, the Oslo so-called peace agreement was formulated in April, and it was signed in July.
	It was officially signed in August with Clinton looking over the happy peacemakers.
	I'm guessing now, okay?
	We'll go back to reality in one second.
	I'm guessing the raw evil that came out of Israel, the raw evil, again, of the peacemakers of labor Zionism, somehow drew these giants out.
	And again, they're not Nefi Lim.
	I researched that thoroughly.
	They're not ancient Nephilim.
	They didn't act like them.
	They didn't look like them.
	The biblical accounts are not like them.
	They were not explainable in any other way.
	And thank you for that.
	So the bottom line is that Would you say that, because the way you describe the face, you certainly know what the classic grey is described at.
	You've probably seen photographs.
	Well, it would be a giant grey, I guess that's right.
	Okay, so, but these are much taller than what... No, they are tall.
	I looked at that later on.
	People have seen the likes of them before, but they're not the only ones.
	Let me go on again.
	Shall I go on?
	Go right ahead.
	All right, the next year, 94.
	Now that phase has ended.
	In 94, Herzl Cassantini, that's the man's name, he lived in a community called Yatsits, which was only 10 miles from my home.
	Not only, he was the security officer for Yazeed.
	He's playing cards with his friend, Gidon Ezra, when there's a knock at the door.
	He opens the door and sees in front of him a nine-foot, what he called, magnetic giant.
	In other words, there was some cloud around him.
	That's how he's described.
	Leave it at that.
	He shuts the door behind him.
	He says to his friend, Gidon, look out the window.
	Gidon sees this thing out the window, and just like a Hollywood comedy, he thinks.
	The real thing.
	I met Gidon, too.
	Not Gidon.
	Harrell was his name.
	Believe me, you caught me off guard.
	I don't have my notes in front of me.
	Harrell was his name.
	And neither here nor there, he phones the police and he describes what he saw.
	And the police don't believe him.
	They don't want to come.
	And he describes his profession.
	He says, I am the security officer for Yitzhik.
	We've had an intrusion.
	And believe me, in Israel, that brings the police to any place.
	A report of a possible terrorism or intrusion.
	They came there.
	Within 20 minutes, they were there.
	They traced.
	Now, Remember, I live 10 miles away.
	It was on the news that night.
	And why not?
	The man was in charge of security for your teeth.
	I went there the next day in the ground.
	were footsteps, and not footsteps like you know.
	They were really deep.
	They were human-sized shoes.
	I put my foot in them.
	In fact, I brought my son.
	He was just a little kid.
	He stuck his foot in them.
	They were, look, at the sole, they were close to a foot deep.
	At the heel, only about five inches deep.
	Which, by the way, means whatever it was walked on tippy toes.
	But he also weighed a ton.
	I tried, again, for the sightings group, I tried jumping on the ground.
	I couldn't get an inch in.
	I'm so sorry.
	We are at the end of the show.
	It's incredible.
	It's been great to have you here.
	I really wish we could continue.
	Let's have you back to go into more of this.
	Anytime.
	Thank you very much.
	Anytime.
	It was a nice experience.
	I apologize to everyone who didn't get to ask their questions.
	There are a lot of people that wanted to ask you questions.
	Thank you so much for coming on the show.
	You've actually done a great job and I know it hasn't been easy and I just want to thank you.
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