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08/15/2012 - Marty Leeds

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	No way to escape, no one hears my scream.
	He's come here so often, just when I'm alone.
	I can't help the longing of the wedding moon.
	I can't help the longing of the wedding moon.
	Actually, I don't buy into that, so I just find it kind of interesting.
	But nonetheless, it's possible.
	We do have a lot of things going on.
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	I have been blitzed by information today, I have to say.
	Some of it is just cross-correlating information I previously had.
	Some of it is, well, most of it is not new.
	Let me just put it that way.
	I do want to say that it's very hard to say something that I've never heard.
	But there are kind of some fragments once in a while that sort of augment, you know, you might call them details.
	In a sense, the basics are kind of down and they're all on Camelot for the world to see if you take the time to watch our videos and feed our various articles and interviews, etc, etc.
	Without further ado, my guest tonight is Marty Leeds.
	And actually, Marty, I'm going to let you give your own introduction.
	I think that would be the best way to go.
	Are you there?
	I am there.
	Yep.
	Okay, great.
	Say hi to yourself.
	Yeah, I am by trade a designer, basically.
	I've just written a book called Pi the Great Work that came out in January.
	And then I've got another one coming out called Pi in the English Alphabet, which goes over a cipher I derived just by studying over the years that basically unlocks the gematria for the English alphabet.
	And so I'm doing two volumes on that.
	And so this book will be out very soon, hopefully within the next week, it looks like.
	And so I'm just promoting that.
	I've got a bunch of videos online that you can check out, things I've done on YouTube or my site, martyleads33.com, and where I go over a bunch of different ideas, like the Egyptian Weighing the Heart Ceremony, the Free Masonic Hymn of Bith, and the Lost Masonic Word, and a bunch of different videos like that.
	That's what I'm doing currently.
	And so, yeah, like I said, the book should be out in like a week, and then hopefully the next one by the end of the year, if not the first of next, if we get there.
	Okay, well, great, and thank you for that.
	So, first of all, do you consider yourself a numerologist?
	Sure, actually.
	I don't mind that term.
	I know like most mathematicians would be, you know, shy away from that word, but it doesn't really bother me in the same way that I think Numerology and mathematics have been divided, and I think at once they were one, just like the same as like astrology and astronomy were really one science.
	And so, yes, modern mathematicians would be, would shun that word, but I just kind of embrace it.
	It doesn't bother me at all, just because I'm not, I was never really formally taught mathematics.
	I didn't go to the university for anything or anything like that, so it doesn't bother me anyway.
	Okay, now in light of what's going on, you know, I'm going to actually try to get you to first describe, I guess, your new book, Pi and the Great Work.
	Is that the newest book?
	That's my first book.
	The newest book is called Pi and the English Alphabet.
	Okay, so maybe describe the background of your first work and then why you wrote the second book and what you hope to achieve that way.
	Well, in the first book, speaking of numerology, basically what I wanted to do was show a few different things, a few things that are not accepted in modern mathematics.
	And one of them is called decimal parity.
	And I really wanted to show, write a book about this in a very visual way.
	And mathematics, a lot of times, scares people.
	So I kind of wanted to do it where there was a lot of graphics and things like that and go over these concepts and how decimal parity works with things like the tetractys and the Fibonacci sequence and even pi.
	And what decimal parity is, it was used in numerology, but it's basically taking a number like, let's say, you know, 361, and it's adding 3 plus 6 plus 1 is 10, and it comes out of what was called the ENIAD, or it was basically this base 9 system that the universe operates under.
	And that these base 9 numbers are essentially the cosmological principles that the grand architect, if you will, uses to construct the universe.
	So that was the first book, and the next book that I'm working on, or that's done right now, that'll be out soon, is a deconstruction of the English alphabet using Pi.
	So I'm basically going from the first book into the next one, and hopefully this next one will just go right into volume two of this series of this text.
	Okay, but when you say there's a base numbering system of nine, my understanding was there was a base numbering system of ten.
	Yes.
	And before you go there, I want to say that I also heard that, and you know, I am not anything close to a mathematician, so you'll excuse me here, but I have been in touch with a guy named Willem de Swart, who, I don't know if you've heard of him, Willem de Swart, you know it's hard to pronounce his name, but anyway, Michael Tallenger and he have put together a book that talks about A numbering system.
	And Ashiana Dean, I don't know if you're familiar with her work, also talks about a numbering system.
	And the bottom line is that there's a numbering system that uses 12.
	And I am told that the Illuminati used the 10 system for surface Earth and for the general public and for public consumption, so to speak.
	But the actual numbering system we should be using uses a base 12.
	Yeah, there's actually kind of a bunch of ways you can look at this, or like arguments you could make.
	The reason I focused on nine is mainly, well, I mean three reasons.
	The Chichen Itza Pyramid is a nine-level pyramid.
	And it's, you know, they seem to be master mathematicians and astronomers and things like that.
	So that really caught my eye.
	The other thing is the Greeks and the Egyptians using the ENIAD.
	And what decimal parity shows you is that basically you go 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9.
	When you get to 10, you're back to 1 and adding a 0.
	So you can actually break this down.
	So 1 plus 0 is 1.
	You can go to 11.
	1 plus 1 is 2.
	12 is 1 plus 2 is 3, etc.
	And you can do this for the rest of the numbers into infinity.
	So it really showed, like decimal parity was kind of showing, that the creator, whatever you want to say, basically uses the base 9 system.
	As if we were living in decimals, if you will.
	What I show in the next book, speaking of the Illuminati, or if you want to say Freemasons, or who knows really what the who septenary system, and this is the argument that I make, and how it actually works on the English alphabet, and how this is actually referenced with the seven days of creation, and then there's reasons for that, which we can go into if you'd like, but that's my contention anyway, that
	The Freemasons with the English Gamatria use a base 7 system.
	So the first book was basically looking at this base 9 and then it's kind of carrying over to the English alphabet now, breaking it down to a secondary system.
	Okay.
	Did I make myself clear?
	I mean, that does make sense.
	I mean, I understand where you're going with Chichen Itza and the base number nine and the idea that, you know, then when you get to ten, you're adding, you know, one and zero and so on.
	Have you used the pyramid as a point of reference at all?
	Yes, and I would actually love to get into it right now, because there's some things that are just extremely... I actually go into, like, the ratios and the dimensions of the pyramid in the first book.
	But what I do, and I don't do it in this Volume 1 of this text, but I'm going to do it in Volume 2, is actually breaking down phrases like, the Eye of Providence.
	Putting numbers to every individual letter, and then getting a number that correlates with, well, squaring the circle.
	Okay.
	Are you there?
	Can you hear me?
	Okay, that was sort of an interruption.
	Okay, squaring the circle.
	So do you want to go into that a little more?
	Yeah, I mean I think what the Egyptian pyramids really do is kind of set this precedence for understanding pretty much like I guess what I'd say is like the cosmological principles of the universe is really this kind of idea I always come back to.
	So there's so much that's embedded in the Great Pyramid Giza and really the big thing that it does is square the circle and this is a ancient mathematical problem that was heralded by hermeticists and alchemists and the like and freemasons and what the great pyramid encodes is things like pi and phi and certain ratios that using these fundamental principles can help you understand so many other things in your own life um and what's really interesting to me is why i wanted to write the book
	is that as far as i know most people are not taught this stuff i've I certainly wasn't in school or, you know, in any other avenue.
	I had to seek this stuff out myself, and yet the problem of squaring the circle is something that a fourth grader could really learn.
	And really what it does is introduce you to geometry, proportion, ratios that are seen all throughout nature.
	And so to me it was like really interesting that this stuff was not taught and yet anyone could learn it.
	And it was really because I'm a guy of average intelligence and yet I could understand this stuff very easily.
	And so I was like, well, if I can understand it, then anyone can.
	And so it really was like, okay, I have kind of this duty to like write this stuff down.
	And that was kind of like I said, I was just compelled to do it because of that.
	The Great Pyramid of Giza, I think, is where, I mean, Egypt, we're told, is where it all began.
	And I think, you know, the Great Pyramid of Giza is, there's a reason that it was built to the proportions that it was built, and the reason that it's still standing today.
	Because it can illuminate things in your mind.
	It can actually show you that there's an archetypal architecture within the human brain.
	Okay.
	Sure, and that's an interesting path to go down.
	Let me ask you whether or not I'm seeing if I can remember this man's name.
	Oh God, I'm going to have to think of his name because I can't remember his name offhand.
	There's an interesting guy who wrote a book about the measurements of the pyramid and And he's not well known, but he's someone known to us, and I've met with him.
	He's quite elderly at this point.
	Really quite a brilliant man.
	I'm just curious whether you've ever come across him, but I'll have to try to remember his name.
	Okay, so in terms of your work, how did you get into this and why?
	Hello?
	Do you hear me?
	Sorry, I don't know what's going on, but how did you get into this and why?
	Oh, I'm sorry, is it cutting out?
	Yeah.
	Basically studying things over the years, and just really trying to pursue, I mean, the truth in the universe, as far as I could understand it, and not just formulate my own belief structure, but literally trying to find, well, what is going on, you know?
	And, you know, I've read everything from, like, string theory and quantum physics and mythology and theology and things like that, and eventually it just led me to numbers, especially being, in my later years, being more philosophical.
	And what's really interesting about a word like philosophy that a lot of people don't really recognize is that philosophy has two mathematical, well, the same mathematical ratio in the word, and that's phi and phi.
	So the idea of, like, postulating on, you know, the universe and trying to figure it out and this sort of thing, doing philosophy, the word itself is telling you to look at numbers.
	And as far as I can understand, if you understand qualities and essences of numbers, that you don't have to get into extremely complex mathematics.
	What you can really do is go into mathematics using the mathematical principles that everyone utilizes on a daily basis, really, and that's add, subtract, multiply, and divide.
	And just through these four mathematical principles, you can understand so much of how the world works.
	And so this was really important to me to kind of purvey this idea.
	Okay, but I have to say that your background doesn't actually reflect, like...
	In other words, you don't seem to have come to this like in the most logical of ways.
	It doesn't, it seems like that you had an interesting trajectory and I'm just kind of wondering how that, what triggered, was there any triggering incident?
	Well, I kind of had one night, I kind of had this revelation on Pi.
	Basically, I learned everything on my own in life.
	You know, I went through school, and after getting out of school, I realized that I spent more time unlearning what I learned in school than I did actually learning in school.
	So when I pursued anything, whether it was, you know, trying to understand physics or whatever, I did it On my own, pretty much.
	You know, I didn't have any teachers or anything like that.
	So, the idea of me coming to mathematics logically is just like, well, eventually I was going to get there, I think, I guess is the way to put it.
	Just because I was trying to pursue anything that would give me an answer.
	And really when I got to mathematics there was, like I said, there was like a philosophy behind the numbers itself.
	And it was almost like everything that I had ever learned, I could put on top of this revelation about pi, and it was basically this idea that pi is a representation of the creation of our universe.
	That really there's a primordial egg, or a primordial atom, if you will, and that everything was encased inside this egg.
	And this egg was originally a three, if you will.
	And in sacred geometry, heaven is a three, and it's a circle.
	And so pi is of course 3.141 and then it goes, well it's an infinite and transcendental number.
	And so this whole idea was like, okay, this circle, or what's known in science as a primordial atom, cracked.
	And this egg broke, and this really resonates with, like, the Egyptian cosmic egg, or, well, like I said, the primordial atom that we have before the Big Bang, if you will.
	So it's almost like this story of creation is actually embedded in Pi itself.
	And the reason that it's three, there's, I mean, there's a bunch of different reasons.
	I mean, you have the Holy Trinity, if you will.
	But then you also have, in geometry, you know, it's like one point is just a point, two points is two points in a line, and then three points is actually where you create space or a plane.
	And so this is like how you can actually see by that three being the first thing.
	It's actually telling you how geometrically composed or the universe is composed or how it's manifested with this triune principle, if you will.
	And this has been expressed in, you know, myriad ways.
	and embedded in, as far as I can tell, religion and mythology.
	Like I said, you know, the Holy Spirit, or in Hinduism, you have the Shiva, Shiva Brahman and Vishnu, it's the same kind of thing, this thrice God.
	Okay, we'll be right back, and the name of the person I was trying to remember is Bernard Peach, and we'll come back and we'll talk about him.
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	This is Carrie Cassidy, Project Camelot Whistleblower Radio, and we are talking to Marty Leeds.
	And Marty, are you there?
	I am.
	Okay, I've just been doing a little research during the break.
	So, excuse me if I seem a little distracted.
	There is another person who has written a book that I think would interest you very much, and I'm trying to find the title of that book.
	But before we go there, first of all, I want to say, have you heard of Bernard Peach?
	No, I haven't.
	That's a new name.
	Okay.
	Well, I put a link in the Skype chat there.
	I don't actually have your Skype chat, but you should be able to see the conversation with AFR.
	There should be a link there.
	So, if you're interested, you can check that out.
	Apparently, we were referred to him by one of our whistleblower witnesses, who was known at that time as Henry Deacon, who has a background as a physicist.
	Sure.
	working in black projects that means with an above top-secret clearance and eventually came out under his own name which is Arthur Neumann anyway the reason I'm bringing Bernard Peach up is because he did a lot of investigation in the Great Pyramid and with measurements etc and he came at it from a mathematics point of view
	So I just thought it might be someone you might have an interest in maybe pursuing his work and seeing how it correlates with your own.
	Cool.
	Yeah, I'll definitely check it out.
	Thank you for that.
	Sure.
	He's a fascinating man and we were actually told that At least by this witness, Arthur Neumann, that he was one of the people who had sort of a piece of the big puzzle.
	He gave us a list of a few people, very few people, that he said we must interview and that absolutely had an important piece of what he called, you know, the big picture.
	And that was several years ago.
	I did meet with him.
	I had quite a conversation with him.
	Fascinating man.
	Quite brilliant.
	Lives in Northern California.
	Something of a recluse at this time.
	And I'm not sure, you know, I hope he's still with us.
	He was getting quite elderly.
	That was just one person.
	Another person, just so you know what the kind of people that we were talking about at the time, who we were told we must interview, was Arthur C. Clarke.
	And we tried to also reach Arthur C. Clarke.
	And by the way, Ben Peach did not want to go public.
	He, at that time, I did offer him to do an interview, of course.
	He did meet with me, but he wouldn't go public.
	Out of fear, or just because he's kind of a reclusive man?
	Yeah, I guess there was an element of fear for some reason, for the knowledge that he felt he had.
	Yeah.
	And the other person, as I said, one of the other people was Arthur C. Clarke, and he passed on.
	We were inviting him for an interview right when his health was taking a turn, and then he died shortly after that.
	So we can reach him in time.
	There's at least one other person on that list.
	Anyway, I just wanted to throw that out there just so you understood that there might be some validity there.
	The other person, and I'm trying to figure out if I'm allowed to say his name, I don't know.
	But anyway, this person has a book called We the Scythians.
	Have you ever heard of that?
	No, I'm not familiar with that either.
	Okay, I'm sorry, but these are just, you know, being Camelot, we get a lot of information coming across desks, so to speak, and some of it is Extremely valuable, but it's not something I can use personally because I don't come really from a science background.
	Now I am reading this man's book because it is quite fascinating and I haven't gotten far enough along to really tell you a lot about it, but I can say that based on sort of the first part of the book,
	He also references the Great Pyramid, but he also comes from a very radical point of view that emphasizes the idea that, well, he's referencing the Isle of Skye, Scotland, and that area as being directly connected to Egypt.
	And he's somewhat notorious in this kind of radical viewpoint.
	But anyway, I did agree to take a look and I'm finding it quite interesting.
	I can't really say more than that.
	I just wanted to throw that out in case that was of interest to you.
	Because again, he uses mathematics and comes to some very interesting conclusions through that direction.
	Back to our discussion, you kind of came at this in a weird direction.
	I guess what I'm asking here is, where do you hope to go with it all, ultimately?
	Well, I mean, I have high hopes but no expectations.
	I've always done the creative things in my life and I've never really made a lot of money on it or anything like that, so it was really just the gratification of doing the project is really what I'm getting out of it, is my own personal satisfaction of it.
	The crazy thing about going through this is it's literally elevated my consciousness.
	I mean, I can, you know, from who I was before I'd started this into who I am now, I can just see changes in me and I look at things differently by doing this.
	And this was what was, like I said, what really compelled me to write the book and why it was so interesting to me because Like, you know, you'd mention that you're not really into physics or you're not really a mathematician or anything like that.
	And I'm not really any of that stuff either.
	And what I realized, though, is that I think that we tend to think that some of these things are much more complicated than they really are.
	And, I mean, I can give an example.
	Like, when you look at the mathematics of fractals, right?
	Where it's this idea that the part is in the whole or the whole is in the part kind of thing.
	You don't have to know any math to really see this in nature.
	understand that, oh, if I pull a piece of this plant off and, you know, I put it in a plug or whatever, that it's going to grow roots or that a seed has the entire tree in that seed.
	And so when I when I started looking at this stuff and I and I was thinking about like people like Native Americans and things like that, that had come up with, you know, I make the I make the reference in the new book.
	Oh, they said that which is in the stars is also on the earth and that which is on the Well, you could come to the same philosophy, if you will, without having to know any mathematics whatsoever.
	All you'd have to look is, oh, that part of that tree looks like the whole.
	And so it was a way that it was like really applicable to anyone that doesn't even you don't really even need to know the Pythagorean formula or whatever that it really you could understand these things and in in life and see them and another thing let me say another way you can do or this can help people is that like for instance I was walking in the woods with my fiancee in Oregon and And I pointed down at this plant and I said, that's 137.5 degrees.
	And I was mentioning the leaf arrangement, and this is called phyllotaxis.
	Now, you wouldn't have to know that this is 137.5 degrees to understand that those leaves have to be arranged in that specific order in order to receive the light and receive the dew.
	to help it grow.
	And so it was really this way that it would allow you to, by studying some of these very simple principles and not even really getting into heavy mathematics or trigonometry or anything like that at all, to help you walk through the woods and be like, oh, that's why that plant grows like that, because it has to.
	And this is really what really struck me, is that this really goes beyond, you know, like I said, I'm not a physicist.
	I don't even really consider myself a mathematician in one way.
	I just really, well, you know, like I said in the first book, I don't consider myself a mathematician or an artist or a writer.
	I just consider myself, I I was put here just like everybody else, and that means I shouldn't have to have the biggest brain pan in the universe to understand basic principles of the earth, and I don't think... Sure, I agree.
	Do you understand what I'm saying?
	Yeah, absolutely, and I would agree with you.
	What I'm wondering in terms of when you're looking, for example, I don't know, have you Come across Richard Hoagland's work, for example.
	Sure.
	Yeah, for sure.
	Okay.
	And what about the idea of quantum physics?
	Are you going down that road at all?
	Yeah, I mean, I definitely looked into quantum physics and string theory and stuff like that.
	And, well, you know, I really like the book.
	I think it's called The Science of the Dogon by Laird Stratton, where he actually shows that the Dogon tribe have very similar symbols and things like that to like modern quantum physics, you know.
	The thing when you get into quantum physics is that, I mean, even Richard Feynman said that if you think you understand quantum physics, you don't understand quantum physics, because no one does.
	It's a complete theory.
	And it really brings, you know, to this point, it's like, yes, we may have these, you know, Large Hadron Colliders, and we're looking into this, but I think that science has a fundamental bias behind what it's doing.
	and that there's a lot of induction in science and not deduction.
	And so when we start talking about like string theory or quantum physics like that, science will, most contemporary science will poo-poo ideas of being philosophical about this.
	And I think that's just wrong.
	I just think it's irresponsible.
	And so, yeah, I mean, I guess that's really all I can say about that.
	As far as, like, string is concerned, the idea that there's a single string that vibrates, like, you know, Edward Witten's M-theory, where they vibrate on different levels, and this creates the two to three hundred different quantum particles or whatever, that seems very legitimate to me.
	That seems like that could very well be the truth.
	But it's completely a theory, though.
	Okay, well, what about the idea, you know, what I'm thinking of is sort of the hyper-dimensional aspect of what, at least because I know of it through Hoagland's book and through The Face on Mars and, you know, the 19.5 idea.
	Sure, yeah.
	And I wonder if you did any work on that idea of the 19.5 and the fact that it is kind of fascinating, even when you look at other planets, he's noticed that there will be a concentration of energy at the 19.5 degrees
	area of the planet so that would be I don't know from your perspective you might want to look at it as you know the circumference of a circle and where 19.5 falls on the surface of that circumference and whether or not there's any significance from your point of view anyway yeah what I get out of that anyway what I think that shows more is that there are laws that the whole solar system
	animals that we they follow and that can in the construction of a solar system however it's done god evolution accident whatever you want to say there are geometric laws that have to be followed so um i think he was talking about is the 19.5 was on jupiter am i is that correct is it mars in i'm not even sure it was on mars certainly was it on mars okay okay
	and and it has to do with also the dimensions of i guess the dimensions of the face on mars and also the concentration of where the the face appears on the planet and the fact that that's kind of like a crag there's a several several sort of monuments created in that particular area yeah Yeah.
	Correspondence to 19.5 on planet Earth and the placement of the Great Pyramid.
	And that there's also this... I don't know if it was a solar storm or what.
	I can't remember if it's Jupiter or Saturn, but on one of them, This solar storm or kind of configuration was concentrated in the area of 19.5.
	Yeah, that's what I was thinking of.
	I think it was the one on Jupiter that he was talking about.
	Yeah, the big solar storm was on 19.5.
	And yeah, I mean, This really gets to the point, too, of like an Earth grid that our ancestors knew about, basically how the geometry of the Earth was even created.
	I mean, I think that the more we study these things, I think the more we're going to understand that, you know, the solar system is perfect.
	And I think it's been, and the universe and the galaxy is perfect.
	It's an organized organism.
	And the story that modern science is telling us is that things are smashing together, and, you know, things fell into place in this idea, and I don't think so.
	My contention is that there is an intelligence behind everything, and that it formed everything and balanced it perfectly.
	And this actually gets into the idea of the golden mean, and that mean is a balancing point.
	And this was heralded by, you know, the Greeks, and, I mean, it's embedded in the Great Pyramid of Giza.
	This ratio.
	And the reason it is is because literally the entire universe, whatever this huge thing is, is balanced perfectly, and it's done with perfect geometry.
	And I think this is what the Egyptians were getting at.
	You know, the Egyptians didn't, you know, I mean, it's called sacred number and sacred number.
	Or say, you know, I use sacred science or whatever.
	And the reason is because understanding geometry and understanding like essences of numbers and qualities of numbers, I think can help you understand.
	Well, like I said, well, even your soul, if you will, because it's you're you're the human vehicle.
	And what the soul encapsulates is made by these numbers, by these ratios.
	It is the matrix behind it.
	And it is intelligent.
	I think that that is my contention anyway.
	Okay, and just because you did go down this road, how do you account for what appears to be chaos?
	Well, let me say this.
	Like, okay, you have the idea of good and evil, right?
	Which could be order and chaos.
	It's the same kind of thing.
	There are two emotions, feelings, whatever you want to call it, on one spectrum.
	And it's the same idea as if you keep going east, you're going to end up being west.
	And so, it's really the, and I write about this in the book, the first book, and it's really the level of what you see that.
	At one level, quantum physics seems chaotic, but on our level... Actually gonna go to a commercial right here, but thank you very much.
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	This is Terry Passkey, Project Camelot with Whistleblower Radio, and we're talking to Marty Leeds.
	Uh...
	Let's see, where were we right before the break?
	We were talking about chaos and order, actually.
	Oh, right, okay.
	And yes, exactly, because you kind of were saying the universe was perfect, and I appreciate that sentiment, and I do think it holds true for certain aspects.
	I'm not sure if the whole thing... I mean, perfect could be, you know, we could have a discussion about what that word means, but at any rate, to continue this discussion, what do you want to say about that?
	The difference between chaos and order I guess what I was talking about is this idea of like good and evil or a chaos in order of good and evil is that they're basically two extremes on the same line and I mean basically what I was saying is that like the idea is that the further you go east you're going to eventually go west so to me it's all the scale that you look at so when we We peer in with our microscopes and we look at quantum physics.
	We look at this world of particles popping in and out of existence and it doesn't seem to have any, you know, order or anything to it.
	But as soon as you pull out and then you actually look at like an atom or you look at the human body in and of itself, that is a perfect, it's perfectly crafted in every way.
	I mean even, you know, Darwin will tell you that the eye, it's like it can't even be created with evolution because it's so perfect.
	So, and then you can actually look at, well, oh, human beings are chaotic.
	But then you can just pull out and then just look at the earth as a whole, as Carl Sagan did.
	And he, you know, philosophized about the little blue dot kind of thing.
	And so to me, it's really how you choose to perceive it.
	And I think this is actually, if you look at the idea of the garden of good and evil, I mean, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, this is the idea of choosing how to see it.
	This is alchemy as well.
	Is it lead or is it gold?
	What do you choose to see?
	And I think this is actually embedded in our language as well and understanding this and deciding what you choose to see.
	The universe, we have so many questions about what is it?
	How is it held together?
	What are we doing here?
	And we cannot get answers to any of these things.
	But what you can do is make a choice and choose to go in to the world and try to figure out the best you can and make the best choices.
	And I think anyone will tell you that if you choose to make a good choice, if you choose something that is going to benefit somebody or, you know, benefit yourself, that helps other people, you get that back.
	Um, and I think in a very tangible way, if you do this again and again and again, I think that's a sentiment that a lot of people express, and I think it's extremely true.
	Well, sure, uh, it is an interesting, in other words, circular, uh, sort of process.
	Yeah, karmic or whatever.
	And, and that it comes back, uh, really if you picture it as a, as a cycle or a circle, then indeed that's, that is what happens.
	Well, I think one of the most basic units, in my view, is the spiral.
	Not necessarily the circle, but the spiral.
	And it's an interesting sort of way of looking at things when rather than seeing things repeat constantly that they do come around again but each time they come around they have a slightly different configuration and indeed it might be a movement sort of what appears to be a movement sort of
	you know, forward, you know, and of course that could be sort of disputed because depending on your perspective, I suppose.
	Yeah.
	But it is an interesting thing to sort of contemplate.
	And then the idea that, yeah, in essence, are we, you know, if you continue on the line of sort of going to the good, to the essence of good, and if you keep going, do you end up, you know, with the darker side?
	If I may say something real quick, and I think it's actually choosing...
	Combining and choosing both.
	And let me explain this why.
	I think the letter Y in our alphabet actually says a lot.
	When a tree branches out, it's creating this Y. So, in a very esoteric, and this may seem, this may garner some laughter or whatever, but that tree is actually speaking to you.
	It's asking you a question.
	It's asking you why.
	Now, why is very important because you have a single line and it branches out to two.
	So, you can go left or you can go right, right?
	So, you're on the path of life and you Or you can decide to go above and grab both ends of the spectrum and make them one line.
	Do you understand what I'm saying?
	So instead of being on one line choosing a left or right, it's choosing both and becoming a singular unit.
	Do you understand what I'm trying to say here?
	Well, I mean, I think that in the sense that things unify at the trunk would probably be another interpretation.
	Also, you can simply what you're saying is, is, in a sense, transcend and see it as one.
	And that's really unifying, you know, the two sides of And all of that is understandable.
	But I think that there, you know, to get back to the original question about chaos versus order, if you go to the nth degree of what, if you were assuming that at first glance, for example, that order was good and chaos was bad, you would be mistaken.
	Because if you go to the nth degree of order, you get You know, basically totalitarianism kind of thing.
	And if you go to the nth degree of chaos, of course, you get destruction.
	So, so, but somewhere along the line, there is a sort of flow.
	from one to the other, or that includes both, that actually may result in a kind of perfection that you're alluding to of the universe.
	And I think part of the problem that we have as humans is that we see things in terms of time, and that time is actually all simultaneous.
	And again, you know, so we're actually trying to make See the universe is more finite than it really is and also at you know with the beginning middle and end type of thing So so there I mean we get into a very esoteric discussion, and I don't necessarily want to go down that road But I just want to you know you kind of mentioned that so I wanted to elaborate and get into that a little bit further Which I think we kind of have
	What I guess what I'm kind of interested in here is if you're pursuing this line of thought, I have got some people in the, I've got a chat room first of all.
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	So that's also something that you can do if you're interested in asking him a question.
	So I just want to throw that out before we kind of proceed any further.
	Now, in terms of where you might be going with this, because I've gotten somebody emailed me a couple of questions for you before the show.
	One of those questions is how do you relate to the date and And I guess they were trying to ask you sort of numerologically.
	That's you know it seemed to be They just said how do you relate to the date December 21st? 2012 Um, numerologically it's hard.
	It's difficult to do that because, I mean, even looking at the months and how we correlate it to the, I mean, basically what the Mayans built was an astrological or astronomical calendar, and I don't really think that our current calendar follows this, so to address that's kind of difficult.
	I mean, for instance, December, well, deca means ten, yet it's the twelfth month.
	September means 7th, and yet, you know, it's the ninth month.
	October is 8th, and it's the 10th.
	I mean, these sort of things.
	So it's sort of correlated between Mayan and our current calendar, I think.
	And our current calendar was created by, what, Pope Gregory in 1500s or whatever.
	And so it's really hard to do that numerologically.
	As far as, like, the 2012 thing is concerned, I think the Mayans were definitely on to something.
	I don't think there's any doubt there.
	I mean, they were master mathematicians and master architects, and they knew astronomy, and they encoded this stuff in these pyramids.
	And so, I mean, I am, of course, banking off the work of, you know, John Major Jenkins and Carl Johann Kalam and these sorts of guys, who I think do really great work.
	So as far as the 2012 thing, as far as the prophecies, I don't know.
	As far as lining up with the center of our Milky Way galaxy, I think they were dead on, so.
	Okay, well, alright, so do you have anything, let me just say, in terms of if the numbers are supposed to give you information, do you also As a result of what you're talking about, get information about that time from that number.
	Or is it because it's a Gregorian calendar that you don't really go there?
	But in essence, from what I understand, they even discovered recently more information about, I guess, the time period December 21st, 2012, in something recently discovered in, you know, in the Mayan ruins.
	Although I think it was in a different location.
	I forget where.
	I'm not sure if it was Guatemala or somewhere else.
	I'm forgetting the name of the pyramid.
	Do you know what I'm talking about?
	Yeah, I just heard it in passing.
	I think I know what you're talking about, though.
	Yeah, I hadn't really looked into it, but yeah.
	It's sort of a new discovery.
	They've released it to the public just a bit, but they haven't really gone into it, and I don't think they're vowing to visitors or anything like that.
	Anyway, it's supposed to have, you know, because they said there was only one reference to 2012, really, in the stones, and this ends up to be, like, another one, so that it was very significant in that way.
	Yes.
	You know, but again, we don't have a lot of information.
	I just wondered if you did.
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	And we were talking to Marty Leeds.
	And Marty, are you there?
	I am.
	Okay, great.
	So, I guess right before the break, do you want to pick up where we left off?
	Because I think you were sort of interrupted in mid-sentence.
	Yeah, what were we talking about?
	I'm sorry.
	We've covered so many things right now.
	Yeah, I know we've been going around a lot of areas.
	Actually, I don't remember.
	Yeah, we were actually talking about the Mayans and actually, well, numerology and then their discovery.
	Discovery, yeah.
	And again, I'm trying to remember the name of the pyramid complex that it was found in, but it's not in, it wasn't in the conventional, you know, the one that people know of.
	Anyway, it doesn't matter if you haven't really gone down that road because I just wanted to bring it up as As sort of a new discovery that had more information about 2012 and that particular question.
	So in essence, you're not looking just at dates and certainly the dates of the Gregorian calendar.
	This is part of the problem, right?
	I think so.
	You know, Jose Eriquez, before he died, was kind of purporting this 13-month, 28-day calendar.
	And he was doing it because the Mayans used it.
	And this calendar is actually embedded.
	Well, I go into this in the book about Jacquin and Boaz, which are the two pillars that the Freemasons, you know, heralded that was supposedly the pillars outside of King Solomon's Temple.
	Well, if you put the numbers to these two pillars using this cipher that I have, this actually will encode this 364-day, one-day-at-a-time calendar.
	And this is actually embedded in, like, the deck of cards and, like I said, in the Mayans and things like that.
	And I really think that This might be part of the problem is that we're kind of off the cycle of the universe.
	And I think that this is how these ancient cultures actually did the work that they did, is that they were in tune with the universe.
	And that it was very important to be in tune with the time.
	And this is actually where kind of astrology comes in as well.
	It's just really being in touch with the cycles of the Earth.
	All the species below us, if birds don't fly south at the right time, they die.
	I think there's a lot to be said for something like that.
	Right now, as a species, we're off kilter.
	We're off time.
	Let me say this real quick.
	Using this cipher that I've derived, Everything that I get seems to be processional numbers or dealing with geometry such as or like the diameters and radiuses of like the earth and and the moon and the sun and things like this so it seems like it's very important like geometry is very important and this this processional clock that we've really kind of just rediscovered in the last you know whatever 50 years or it's really gotten to
	The the collective conscious of the earth that how important this clock is And I know you I think you were mentioning that David Wilcox talks about this or something like that Yeah Carl Johan Calliman, but Do you in other words?
	do you want to talk about where you think we are in terms of the procession and and what that signifies because and how that maybe relates to our current and I don't know if you're looking at the earth changes in this light or you know what I'm saying?
	Yeah, it's, you know, I don't, I don't like to speculate.
	I, you know, I've always had this kind of scientific mind, where I want, I want a solid answer for things.
	And, you know, I have my own opinions about what it is, but it's, you know, it's, those can change easily too.
	You know, people either talking about it's a big awakening, or it's a pole shift, or it's the end of days, or, you know, and it's just, basically everyone's just kind of speculating on it.
	We really have no idea what it is.
	I can say this, though, that the ancient people, when the Earth was destroyed, and I want to say Hermes talks about this, maybe in the Lament of Hermes he talks about this, but that it was done because of human beings.
	That the entire universe, the drama is actually played out here on Earth.
	And this is actually, I think, what These ancient people recognize and realize and that this is actually a cosmic universal truth.
	And so if there is going to be some awakening or some destruction and it's going to happen on this date, the only reason it would happen, anything that would happen on this date is because of a cosmic clock.
	But I also think it has to do with us humans.
	If we're going to awake, we need to awake.
	We need to do that.
	We need to do our work, our spiritual work, our studying, whatever it is, appreciating one another.
	And if we don't, then, well, we don't, you know?
	So, I don't really like to speculate as if, like, it's just this one day or this certain time period that's either going to elevate or crush mankind.
	I don't see it that way.
	I think it actually has more to do with the choices that we make.
	Okay, but in terms of the The certain time that we're in, are you feeling that there is a connection?
	In other words, because you're not following the Gregorian clock, I assume, you're following things like the procession, which is more astrological, really, right?
	Although there's an astronomy Yeah, once again, I think that we tend, as a species, we tend to divide these things.
	And I think this is what the whole of the science is all about, is actually bringing them all together and understanding that botany and physics and consciousness and time and astronomy are all interrelated, all interconnected.
	The very words we speak are interconnected with these things.
	Well, one of the people that Henry Deacon also pointed us to was Stan Tennant.
	Sure.
	Are you familiar with his work at all?
	Yeah, actually.
	I had a short email conversation with him and it didn't go that well.
	He kind of refused to read my book or I wanted to send him the new book.
	He didn't want anything to do with it.
	He basically told me Gamatri is basically 99% nonsense and he wouldn't watch any of my videos.
	So I was really disheartened by my communication with him and it was kind of him That said, I'm currently reading his book, so even though I have disagreements with him, I still find what he's doing very interesting.
	And, you know, even though I might have disagreements with somebody, if they're doing good work, I'm still going to give them a chance, you know?
	Sure.
	Well, yeah, and that is interesting, of course, people's own biases and how they, you know, look in one direction and not another.
	That's, I guess, what makes the world go round, so to speak.
	I actually asked him to join us on one of our conversations.
	I do these Camelot Roundtables, and he had some knowledge in this particular area, or at least I felt he did.
	You know, he didn't really want to join in and was very sort of leery of it, all of it.
	So, you know, I think that some of these people are really protecting themselves and that happens a lot, especially with scientists that get relatively well known.
	There's this whole protectionist stance that they get into where they only want a certain, you know, talk to a certain caliber, you know, what they consider to be a certain caliber of person who has, you know, whatever they're looking for and, you know, is it on a certain societal level, et cetera, et cetera.
	And I think that can be a problem for them because they're actually going to, you know, because there is a selection process with regard to information like everything else and kind of a And some of the best new ideas, of course, come from the people that you least expect them to come from.
	I think all the best ideas come from you.
	I really do.
	I think there's this book, I think it's called The Art of Scientific Investigation by, his name is escaping me, but basically it's an entire book about how Scientists didn't, when they made their big discovery, it was like this idea, I mean, I think it's called like the shocking principle or the shower principle, I think is what it's called, where you have this revelation in the shower and it's like the one you least expect it or something that you didn't expect at all.
	I mean, even Einstein, you know, he was, you know, he was a file clerk in Bern, Switzerland, and yet he changed the face of physics.
	And so, you know, we tend to be we tend to say, well, what do the scientists think about this?
	But the best idea is probably not going to come from them.
	You know, we see this throughout history.
	So I think there I think it's imperative that people give independent researchers a shot.
	And and so that's why thanks for letting me on your show.
	Well, I don't have that, you know, I'm not trying to exclude people here.
	We're actually trying to, you know, sort of be inclusive of as many different types of information as possible, because that's how we paint the big picture, which is really what Camelot is endeavoring to do.
	Absolutely.
	So right now, what I kind of would like to do with the remaining time is have you talk about things that you touch on in your books, or perhaps in your new book, what you plan to touch on, if you can.
	And then, of course, if I have questions, I will sort of go and ask you them.
	But you know what I mean?
	If you have certain things to share that you think would be interesting to people.
	Yeah, well, maybe what we can do real quick is go over the cipher and actually assign the numbers to the letters.
	I think we can do this real quick with the English alphabet.
	And then, if we want, we can go from there and actually look at particular words.
	And actually, I did your name, and your name is very interesting, by the way.
	Let's just do this.
	I'll go over the cipher.
	Basically, what I did is split the alphabet between, there's 26 letters of the alphabet, and I split it between 13 letters and 13 letters, so A through M, and then N through Z. And why I did this is because just what we talked about earlier, chaos and order, good and evil, yin and yang.
	There's always this duality in life.
	You know, you can see this on a leaf, you can see this on the earth, etc.
	So, I split the alphabet A through M and N through Z. And then what I did is walk out the six days of creation and then rested on the seventh and then just walked back down.
	So, you know, A through M is, you know, you have A, B, C, D, E, F, G. And G, you rest on the seventh.
	So, A is one, B is two, C is three.
	And you walk up to seven or G. And that's where you rest.
	That's the Sabbath, if you will.
	And then you can just walk back down the rest H I J K L M and that becomes 6 5 4 3 2 1.
	six, five, four, three, two, one.
	So now you have one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, six, five, four, three, two, one, for 13 letters of your alphabet.
	And because there's this duality, you can actually put this on your hand.
	So your thumb becomes A, and then you have 12 sections of your four fingers, and this becomes B, C, D, E, F, G, etc.
	And so, since your left hand is a mirror of your right hand, you can literally put these numbers onto the other side of the alphabet.
	So, N being 1, O being 2, P, etc.
	And so, this is where the septenary system comes in, and this is actually where the seven days of creation That you get in the Bible comes from.
	Now, what's interesting about this is when you rest on the G, this is the 7.
	Well, the Freemasonic symbol is a compass and a square.
	And this is, of course, the classic hermetic tools, alchemical tools.
	Jesus was a carpenter.
	And, of course, you can't be a carpenter if you have a compass and a square.
	So, the G is in the 7.
	And, of course, the G is in the middle of that Freemasonic symbol.
	Well, what that is talking about is squaring the circle.
	And, of course, the Great Pyramid of Giza squares the circle.
	And so what happens is that actually gives you the radius of both the Moon and the Earth, being 5,040 miles.
	Well, if you multiply 1 times 2 times 3 times 4 times 5 times 6 times 7, this gives you 5,040.
	So, as far as I can tell, the Freemasons, with that G in the center there, were telling you how to put numbers to the letters of our alphabet.
	And so you have this cipher, and this actually, you can put this over the human hands, you can put it on the chromatic music scale, you can derive pi with it, which I won't go over here, but you can check out the video, the English alphabet, and I go over this in depth.
	And so, what I did is basically just started looking at simple words, like for instance, heaven, earth, right?
	In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth.
	Well, Heaven equals 23 and Earth equals 24.
	Of course, there's 24 hours in an Earth day, right?
	Makes sense that Earth would be 24.
	Heaven is 23.
	Well, then you ask, why is Heaven 23?
	Well, there's 23 chromosomes that make up the human being.
	So, this idea that Heaven is, well, it resides in you, if you will.
	What's also interesting about this 23, And let me just explain this, how this works.
	So, heaven is H is 6, E is 5, A is 1, V is 5, E is 5, and N is 1.
	And this adds up to 23.
	Circle, temple, occult, beauty, natural, death, all of these things equal 23.
	So, they're very, like, you know, mythologically or esoteric, very important words that correlate with heaven.
	And so, 23, heaven, and earth being 24, this adds up to 47.
	Well, if you look in the back of the dollar bill, that pyramid is at 47 degrees.
	The Freemasonic compass in the original, like the Bible that I have from 1932, it's open to 47 degrees.
	And the compass is a reference to heaven being a circle, and then the square is a reference to earth.
	And this is actually in sacred geometry.
	There's also 47 degrees between the Tropic of Capricorn and the Tropic of Cancer.
	So this is, it really correlates and shows how, how this gematria works.
	And so I did your name, which is really interesting.
	And so, you know, Carrie ends up being K is 3, E is 5, R is 5, R is 5, and Y is 2.
	And this comes together to give you 20.
	And then you can do Cassidy, and that equals 27.
	Your name, Carrie plus Cassidy, equals 47.
	And so your name actually encodes the merging of heaven and earth, or what's on that Freemasonic compass.
	And I thought that was extremely interesting.
	And there's so much more that you can do with this.
	I mean, so much so that I was basically going to write one short book on this.
	And in the middle of the book, I was like, I have three books worth of material here, really.
	So and I mean, I'm planning on doing just two right now.
	But I basically looked at A ton of different phenomena, anything that I could.
	So not just things from the Bible, which the Freemasons herald the Bible as their holy book.
	But I wanted to go beyond that, so I looked at things like the word abracadabra.
	I looked at the rainbow, putting numbers to the letters of red, orange, etc.
	I looked at the zodiac.
	Um, all 12, you know, all 12 ages of the Zodiac.
	I looked at our... Okay, uh, but let me ask you this, uh, did you look at the I Ching, and did you look at the Tarot?
	Uh, I haven't yet.
	I'm looking into the Tarot right now.
	Okay, uh, when we come back, we'll, uh, I think there was a caller.
	I don't know if they're still there, but we'll see, and, uh, I will ask you about the Tarot.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
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	Carrie casted Project Camelot on SubLower Radio and we are talking to Marty Leeds and right before the break you were sort of Going around, well, you did numerology on my name, I guess, to some degree, and we were kind of going down that road, but you, we were about to talk about the Tarot, actually.
	And so I'm curious because, you know, the Tarot has 22 cards.
	The, I guess, 22nd card being the Fool, right?
	And also equal to zero.
	So it's not quite, it's not 23.
	And I just was wondering where you go with that.
	Um, actually, as far as I know, like, the Tarot deck that most people use is 22, but the original Tarot deck, as far as I understand, is that there's 21 cards to fool, and then there's 56 other cards.
	So, making a total of...
	78.
	Right, that's correct.
	Yeah, so we can kind of go down that path.
	I'm actually wondering if, because I haven't done enough extensive work on this to actually talk about it here, mainly because there's so many cards that I'd like to look into that it's almost a book in and of itself.
	No, I'm sure it is a book.
	Yeah, and so, and basically what I'm trying to do with these books is make them, brevity is kind of my foundation, I'm trying to make them as short as possible just because it's a lot of new material for people and I didn't want people to be scared off by numbers, essentially.
	So, I mean, the first book is like 100 pages, this next book is 130 or something, and then the next one will be longer because I'm going to go, I'm going to delve into some of these heavier subjects.
	Let me mention this.
	You did say something about the I Ching.
	And one of the things that really struck me about the I Ching is this number 64.
	And how it just seems to come up again and again.
	Like I know the three-dimensional flower of a life has these 64 spheres when you bring it out in three dimensions.
	But the one thing I did look into was chess.
	And I actually have a video on this if anybody wants to check it out.
	Just put in Marty League's Chess.
	And basically what I did is I assigned the numbers to the letters of the chess.
	And the reason I did this is because the Freemasons had that chessboard floor in a lot of their illustrations.
	And so, when I did this, what it actually gives you is three different calendars from the game of chess by assigning the numbers to each of the characters.
	Bishop, King, Rook, etc.
	Um, and not only does it encode Pi, but it also gives you a lunar, a solar, and a precessional calendar.
	Um, and like I said, you can check this out, but just, you know, for the listeners, for instance, Pawn is P is 3, A is 1, W is 4, and N is 1, or 3.141, or Pi.
	And so the pawn itself is encoding pi.
	And then you can go and, like I said, you can show how the knight is actually encoding a lunar month, hence being a knight, or luna, or the moon.
	And I go into, like I said, some of this stuff.
	So yeah, I would love to talk about the Tarot deck, all the things that I've kind of deconstructed thus far, but like I said, I think it's a book in and of itself.
	Okay, well, yeah, and that's cool, you know, and maybe you can come back on our show once you've done that and you're ready to go.
	You know, I think people would be interested.
	I know I would.
	I did study the Tarot, so I have a little more knowledge in that particular area than in some of these other areas.
	But in terms of, I guess, I'm looking to see if there's any questions coming in on the call-in line and also in the chat room.
	Go right ahead.
	I'm sorry.
	I just saw in the chat room it says, can you ask him the power of 72?
	It seems to be using a lot of statistical work.
	I actually write about this in the book, and the reason that 72, as far as I can tell, is very important is because it takes 72 years for the stars to move one degree in the precession of the equinoxes.
	So, and in the Zohar, there's 72 names of God.
	Confucius had 72 followers.
	King James, when he was translating from the original Septuagint to the Hebrew Bible, had 72 translators.
	And so this number 72 is extremely important because of this.
	And so, another thing that I do that is extremely not accepted in modern mathematics, and why I guess I'm more of a numerologist, is I mirror numbers.
	And I actually show how this works in lots of different things.
	The Hero of Bith, Legend, and things like this.
	But if you mirror 72, you get 27.
	Right?
	And why this is important is because, well, in this cipher, Jesus equals 27.
	And I can go into that a little bit more, but what's more important is that there's 72 bones in the human hand.
	And so it really takes this idea of time that's crafting the human vehicle and mirroring it on Earth in one way.
	And this is just one example that I can give.
	And I go into this in some of the videos about how this mirroring works.
	And you can actually look up Pi the Great Work video.
	And I mirror the entire number line up to 19 and then show what you can derive from that.
	Okay, but what about the number 26?
	Because I have Well, like I told you, Willem Despoit has written this book, and he calls it, I forget the exact title, but something like the Something Numbers of God.
	Yeah, I probably agree with that.
	And so, the 26, he says the 26 is extremely significant, of all the numbers.
	And that it comes up over and over again in like 260 and that it references, from what I understand, I'm not completely sure, but I think to some degree the concept of heaven or wholeness or something of that nature.
	Yeah, let me say a few things on this.
	In this cipher, mother equals 26 and so does center equals 26.
	Scorpio, which is the constellation that actually points to the center of our galaxy, equals 26.
	The Tetragrammaton, In the Hebrew Cypher, in the Hebrew Gematria, is Yad, He, Vav, He.
	This equals 26.
	And so this is where I got the direct relationship of the Tetragrammaton being 26 and the 26 letters of our alphabet.
	Because Gramma, Gramma in Tetra, Gramma, really is talking about grammar.
	So you're talking about language.
	And so, like I said, there's the 26 letters of the alphabet.
	Using the cipher, you can encode pi on both sides of the hands of your alphabet, if you will, the A through M and the N through Z.
	And you derive pi by doing 22 divided by 7.
	And this actually gives you this idea of pi 7, pi 7.
	Well, the Tetragrammaton has actually been symbolized as that in some drawings.
	And so it's almost like the alphabet, however it was constructed, the English alphabet, encodes the Holy Name of God, not only in its symbol, but also in the number of letters we use.
	So, one other thing.
	That's interesting.
	Okay, now there is a question, you'll see it in the chat, which relates to Bruce Cathy.
	Um, and, uh, let's see, he says, uh, the body works on a 27 hour clock, not 24.
	So wants to know something about the number 27.
	I'm not sure how that relates to Bruce Cathy.
	Um, I have not heard of that personally.
	I mean, uh, I mean, you know, the cycle of time basically is this 24 hour cycle.
	So, um, I haven't heard of the 27, but, um, I'll definitely look into it.
	27 hour clock.
	Yeah, that's interesting.
	Well, Bruce Cathy, to get onto that, has to do with, you know, with the gridlines on planet Earth.
	And his theory was that, obviously, well, are you familiar with his work, first of all?
	A little bit.
	I haven't read anything by him, but yes, I've heard of him.
	Yeah, there are some people that dispute his work, I guess, at this point, but actually, this is kind of an interesting synchronicity, which is that I don't know if you've heard of Keith Hunter.
	Have you heard of Keith Hunter?
	Yes, yes.
	Okay, so he is actually coming on my show tomorrow.
	I haven't even announced it.
	It's been so wild and crazy, but we're hoping to do a live event tomorrow morning at 11 a.m.
	Pacific Time, so this is a good time to announce that, at least to the people listening, and then I have to put this out there, but And I'm about to leave for Europe, so it's just that I'm trying to kind of pack a lot of things in right before I leave.
	And I'm speaking on Friday for those in the area or want to watch it live at the Chemtrail Conference.
	And they are going to be streaming this conference live from what I understand at 3.15 on Friday.
	So don't miss that if you're interested at all in what I have to say.
	And some of the really amazing information coming through Camelot right now.
	Not that it's necessarily all true, because it's really hard to tell at this point.
	But to get back to Bruce Cathy, you know, he is a jumping off point, at least for Keith Hunter.
	And it is a lot about the idea that nuclear bombs, for example, have to be released at certain points in the grid at certain times.
	Have you heard that?
	Yeah, I mean a little bit.
	It sounds a little specious to me, but I haven't looked into it completely, so I don't know if I can comment on it.
	It is very interesting, well to me it is very interesting, and may also have to do with hyperdimensional physics.
	And again, it may not be so much from what I understand, as you can't release them other places, but that if you want to access, sad to say, other dimensions with the bomb, and or if you want it to be sort of a loud or not loud, but a big, bigger sort of explosion than smaller, so to speak, you utilize these particular What do they call them?
	Fulcrum points.
	Oh, sure.
	Yeah, vertices or whatever you want to call them, right?
	Yeah.
	So, anyway, I just wondered if you had looked at that at all.
	I guess it's more of a geometrical question for somebody who's very into geometries than numbers per se, but I think the numbers do work into all of it.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	So, I guess what I'm getting at here is there may be significance also to the places where earthquakes happen on planet Earth, and where larger ones happen as opposed to smaller ones.
	For example, my understanding is that Japan is on a particularly volatile area of the gridlines, the continent of Japan.
	And, you know, I don't know, you may not have gone down this road at all, so it might not be Worthwhile to pursue this with you, but I just want to throw that out and see if you had anything to say.
	Yeah, it's nothing I pursue like in my work, but yeah, I've definitely looked into this as far as like, you know, gridlines and things like that on the earth and then being certain hot spots, if you will.
	I definitely see that as a certainly a possibility.
	Something that we definitely have to look into more.
	But yeah, I mean, it makes sense to me.
	If geometry is ruling the universe, then it would only make sense that at certain places in the geometry where certain things come together that it would be, well, you know, a hotspot, if you will.
	Right.
	So would you say that you're, I mean, is there any one person that you kind of were most inspired by?
	Um, not really.
	I mean, I will say this.
	The person that really pushed me over the edge and really focusing on this was the mathematics of Margot Rodin and his understudy Randy Powell.
	Basically, I'd known about decimal parity for quite a long time, and I definitely looked into math quite a bit before I'd come to his work.
	When I got to his work, it was just so beautiful how it worked.
	And he really showed me how decimal parity can actually work in the real world.
	And actually his doubling and halving circuit, I'm not sure if you know of his work, but basically he utilizes decimal parity or probabilistic reduction And it creates this perfect doubling and halving circuit.
	And this doubling and halving is what you see in the Eye of Horus mythology in Egypt.
	You see it in mitosis with human procreation reproduction.
	Wait, wait, wait, wait.
	I want to go back to the Eye of Horus.
	What are you talking about?
	Because I don't know that person.
	Doubling and halving has to do with the Eye of Horus.
	Because I have an interest in this particular area.
	How are you relating that?
	Well, in the Eye of Horus, each individual part of the Eye of Horus actually has a fraction to it, you know, so it looks like one-eighth, one-sixteenth, one-thirty-second, this sort of thing.
	Well, what Marco Roden's work does is focuses on, basically, base ten, modular nine.
	So, it's basically using nine numbers, and what his map does is double, and when it doubles, it basically makes this infinity sign.
	And when you break it down using decimal parity, it always brings you back to the one.
	So it doesn't matter if you're doubling or halving.
	And it's this really beautiful way and very easy way to understand mathematics.
	And I think what he's done is very genius.
	And he's a hard guy.
	If you see his videos, he's a hard guy to get past because he's very eccentric.
	But I think what he's pulled out is really great.
	And so when you double, it's like 1 plus 1 is 2 and 2 plus 2 is 4.
	four plus four is eight, eight plus eight is eight.
	is 16, 16 plus 16 is 32, and 32 plus 32 is 64.
	Well, the fractions of the Eye of Horus is, you know, one over eight, one over 16, one over 32, et cetera.
	And so really there's a direct correlation between this doubling and halving of the Marco's work And what's even more is if you read the Ani Papyrus, that's in the Egyptian Book of the Dead, they actually do their math by doubling.
	So if they want to get to 9, they go 2 plus 2 plus 2 plus 2 plus 1.
	They don't just go 4 plus 4 plus 1 or 4 plus 5.
	And the reason that they do math like this is not because they were bad at math, obviously not.
	It's because they're doing mathematics how nature does mathematics.
	And I found this very interesting.
	And I would definitely check out his work if you can.
	I highlight it in my book.
	I want you to explain a little more about this doubling idea.
	So why do they use doubling?
	I mean, because you're saying nature uses doubling, and why does nature use doubling?
	Well, let's go back to the 23 chromosomes in a human DNA, or a human genetic.
	So when the sperm cracks that egg, what happens is that egg doubles.
	One becomes two, and then the two becomes four, etc.
	Okay, we're going to have to break right here and we'll be right back.
	And do remember the question because I want to come back to this.
	Thank you so much.
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	Carrie Cassidy, Project Camelot, Whistleblower Radio, and we're talking to Marty Leeds about, well, his book, Pi, and The Great Work, I guess it's called, and then his newest book, which name I forget.
	Do you want to say your newest book title?
	Yeah, it's Pi and the English Alphabet, Volume 1.
	Okay.
	Okay, great.
	And why don't you give your website so that we can also do that for you.
	Yeah, it's martyleads33.com and then I also have a YouTube page too that has basically all the same videos, but you can get me either one.
	Okay, and let me say that you, the number, okay, well I'm going to want to know why you use 33, so we're going to have to do that, but before we do that, right before the break I asked you a question and you were about to answer it.
	Sure.
	Yeah, we were talking about this, the idea of the doubling that the Egyptians do with their mathematics and how this is reflective of the procreation of human beings.
	So when a sperm enters an egg, What happens is this, well, DNA replication.
	So, basically, that one cell becomes two, and then what happens is those two cells become four, and then four become eight, and eight becomes sixteen, etc.
	And this doubling pattern is how the human temple, or body, is constructed.
	And so there's the Hermapolitan, I think that's what it is, Hermapolitan mystery, it was the mystery of Hermes, or whatever.
	And it was said that, I am the one that becomes the two that becomes the four that becomes the eight that becomes one again.
	And what they're talking about is literally the duplication of cells in the process of mitosis that creates the human being.
	So, this idea that the God of Hermes and, you know, giving you this riddle being, I am the one that becomes the two, etc., that eventually becomes one, is basically telling you that, you know, this temple of God is in you and it's actually understood by human genetics.
	And this is why I found it so interesting that in the cipher Heaven equals 23, because we always have this idea that the Kingdom of God is within you, or Heaven is within you.
	Well, literally it is, you know, according to the mathematics.
	And so this is why I find this really interesting.
	And to go back to what Markle Roden's work does, is this doubling and halving, is this is what's reflected in Egyptian math.
	And I think this is what they actually focused on.
	So I think his discovery is enormous.
	Okay, yeah, that is fascinating, I have to say.
	Okay, great answer.
	Let me ask you then about the 33.
	Sure.
	33 attached to my name?
	Well, yeah, obviously you use it in your URL, so there must be a certain fascination with that number.
	Yeah, actually it was just kind of a synchronicity.
	When I started the web page, I'm 33 years old, so I thought it was kind of pertinent to put in Marty Leeds 33.
	But beyond that, yeah, 33 is this very Magical number and let me give you the one example that I always love to give just because it really shows the perfection and simplicity of measuring the cosmos.
	In the ratio of the earth to the moon is the earth is 11 and the moon is 3.
	So if you draw a circle that's 3 and you draw a circle that's 11 those are going to be very close to the proportion of the ratio of the moon to earth.
	Well, 11 times 3 is 33, you know.
	Another reason why 33 is important, of course you have Jesus Christ lived 33 years after performing 33 miracles, but what's more is Jesus Christ is the Son of God, and the Sun's core rotates once every 33 Earth days.
	And so this 33 becomes, you know, very important.
	And there's a bunch of other things we can get into as well, but those are some really key examples of why this number shows up again and again in esoterica.
	Okay, well yeah, and what I'd like to do is also talk about the Illuminati's use of the 33, because they talk about the 33 grades, you know, that you go up to, and all of that.
	Do you know what I'm talking about?
	The Masonic grades?
	Yes, and before I say that, I definitely take a different opinion on Freemasons and Illuminati than I think a lot of people do.
	I think there is definitely a dark occult force or group that is controlling things and manipulating people, absolutely.
	But I don't see Freemasonry as a I don't see it as a negative institution or anything like that.
	I actually see it as a positive one that might have been overtaken by bad people.
	That said, there are 32 and 33 degrees in Freemasonry, correct?
	So, the whole idea is you can get to 32 on your own accord, but you have to be anointed or given this title of the 33, right?
	Well, to bring this back to human genetics, in the chromosome, there's one sex chromosome that decides the sex, and it's actually a male and female chromosome.
	And this is actually delineated by the two characters XX and XY.
	XY for man and XX for female.
	Well, in this cipher, XY is 32, and XX is 33, giving you the 32 and 33 degrees of Freemasonry, once again embedded in the genetics of human beings.
	And so, once again, this brings it right back to the human being, and the temple of the human being, and the construction of this temple of ours.
	And this is, I think, originally At its core, Freemasonry was about taking the entered apprentice and bringing him to this knowledge.
	And I think it's been overtaken.
	I think that, I don't know how it lost its way or whatever, but it's there for us to get back.
	And I don't think Freemasonry belongs to just the occult dark forces.
	It belongs to everybody.
	Okay, and you know, I would tend to agree with that in terms of a body of knowledge and how it's used.
	That's always the issue with what is occult or hidden.
	It's simply, it's not so much the knowledge as the way it's used and understood.
	Sometimes these things that were initially intended as metaphor have become Uh, sort of practice in the material world and, uh, they were never necessarily meant to be, uh, and, and there's a lot of other sides to that kind of story.
	But rather than go down that road, uh, now we only have, uh, less than 10 minutes left in the show.
	So, um, I'm gonna see if I can find the chat room here.
	Do you have it in front of you?
	Because if you do see a question there, we can, Try to, you know, answer it.
	In the meanwhile, I'm also seeing if there's any calls and there doesn't appear to be any callers.
	So just in terms of the chat, do you see any questions there that Because I'm trying to find out.
	Yeah, not offhand, but I can, if I may, can I say this, that I think that going through this, all of this math and kind of, you know, deconstructing the alphabet and things like that has really brought me to this idea that the world is much more magical and more deconstructing the alphabet and things like that has really brought me to this idea that the world is much more magical and more poetic And we know that matter is really nothing.
	And so really, you know, what our lives are doing is kind of creating a story.
	And so when we say something is literal, well, you're talking about a story.
	And so when we say something is literal, well, you're talking about a story.
	You know, you're talking about creating a story.
	You know, you're talking about creating a story, and this is the story of your life.
	And this is the story of your life.
	And this is really what this information is, kind of the philosophy that it's brought me to.
	And this is really what this information is, kind of the philosophy that it's brought me to.
	And I put this in the book as well.
	And I put this in the book as well.
	When you talk about the universe, well, verse is a line of poetry, and uni means one.
	So even the universe in the language itself is telling us what it is.
	It's one line of poetry that you are living.
	And we have this idea that, you know, everything is, well, Newtonian, if you will.
	And this is why we can't make any sense of quantum physics.
	We can't make any sense of string theory.
	And the reason that we can't make sense of it is our perception and how we decide to view it.
	And this is my belief.
	And I didn't have this belief until I kind of went through this whole thing and started understanding the esoteric nature, well, magical nature, if you will, of this information.
	And I think this is what this information is intending to do.
	So, I think if people get into it, the reason, like I said, I was compelled to write the book is because it actually changed my consciousness.
	It changed how I viewed the world, and it was only in a positive way.
	So, yeah.
	Yeah, and I think that's a very beautiful way of sort of approaching it, and I have to agree with you.
	You know, there is a beauty to understanding The numbers and the way the universe seems to have this sort of, I don't know, what you might call it, sort of perfection embedded in how things kind of connect and make sense.
	And certainly humans or man is trying to make sense of his world and this is a tool by which to do that.
	And I think, you know, it can have elegance to it.
	And also there's a sort of, I don't know, there's sort of a peacefulness that you kind of get as a byproduct of when you solve these things and see them.
	And I, you know, and I think that, you know, people, that's why you'll get things like the mandala and people meditating to the mandala.
	Mm-hmm.
	Is what's happening is the brain is actually taking in all that information and and and doing it on an almost a subliminal level.
	Yeah, I mean I don't I think they I've come to the conclusion that I think the universe is intelligent and when you actually just align yourself with the universe you're really not What you're doing is bringing out that intelligence.
	And, you know, we started this conversation by saying, and I'm just being honest here, I don't really think I'm that smart of a guy, but I will say that I feel like I did kind of tap into something that was the motions or the cycles of the universe or something that I was able to bring some of this information out.
	And that's a lofty statement, of course, but and, you know, but it's like I said, it's changed my consciousness.
	And I don't know, it's I just see more beauty than ever before.
	And I see connectivity than ever before.
	Okay, well thank you very much Marty Leeds, and if you'd like to give your website one more time in the names of your books, any other pertinent information, go right ahead.
	Yeah, martyleeds33.com is the website, and it's got sample chapters of the book, and events I'm doing, and that sort of thing, videos, some music as well, and then my first book is Pi the Great Work, and the next one is called Pi and the English Alphabet, so please check it out.
	All right.
	Thanks, everyone.
	Good night, and we'll see you on Friday.
	And please do come down to the Chemtrail Conference if you get a chance.
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