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07/25/2012 - Mike Harris & John Moore - re planet-sized object

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	There is a jungle Hi there.
	Outside my door, stretched out and purring, waiting for more.
	A strange shade of stone, deep cat-eye green.
	No way to escape, no one hears my scream.
	Hi there.
	Hi there.
	This is Carrie Cassidy, Project Camelot, Whistleblower Radio, and we are live on American Freedom Radio.
	He's a giant, he's a giant, he's a giant.
	And I'm going to have two very interesting guests and the topic of discussion is going to be quite fascinating.
	So it's great to be here tonight.
	Just before I start off, let me say that we've got John Moore, who is quite well known as a radio
	Show host and well known for a lot of other things that I imagine as well as an American patriot I think is also in that bag and Mike Harris who is a talk show host and they're both on Republic Broadcasting so we're kind of poaching another station's host here and hopefully they won't lose their minds over that but it should be a positive thing kind of
	A good blowback going in the direction of Republic Broadcasting.
	At any rate, welcome, Mike, and welcome, John.
	Thank you, Carrie.
	Yeah, thank you, Carrie.
	Thank you very much for having us.
	Okay, and so we've got two men with wonderful voices.
	Thank you for the radio here.
	So what I'd like to do first of all is we know that John has the most limited time so John if you wouldn't mind just launch into a brief bio about yourself and then I'd like to sort of get right to the topic at hand.
	Well sure and I sometimes tell people Carrie US Military Intelligence School took my 19 year old pile of mush brain in 1967 and made something useful of it.
	They made it into a research tool.
	I did a three-year tour of duty in the U.S.
	Army, military intelligence, special forces, a tour in Vietnam.
	I left the Army, got my degree as a legal assistant, and shortly thereafter I was recruited by the state of Missouri to become a homicide detective, finding myself doing my first murder investigation as a 25-year-old in 1973.
	These past 40 years, I've investigated everything you can imagine, both civil matters, criminal matters, murders, and it's been quite a career.
	Starting in 1995, I became a radio talk show host part-time with WGNU 920 on the dial, St.
	Louis, Missouri.
	And I've been with Republic Broadcasting now, I think this is year number six or seven, I kind of lost track of that.
	It's been quite a ride, my life, my career, the things I've done, and a lot of fun along the way.
	Met a lot of interesting people.
	Going back to Tuesday the 10th of July this year, two weeks ago, yesterday, one of my confidential informants called me up and told me about a person who is a spouse of a Department of Defense employee And they were asked, the dependents were asked to attend a briefing, a classified briefing, which began with all the dependents signing a non-disclosed agreement.
	At the briefing, Kerry, these dependents were told about something called NEBRU, which is also called Wormwood or Planet X or the Destroyer Star, that this planetary-sized object would soon be causing massive flooding on all coastal areas.
	That they would be getting notification for emergency evacuation.
	They may have as much as two weeks notice.
	They may not.
	They could bring one carry-on item and one piece of luggage and they would be told they would be abandoning all their other personal and private property.
	That was followed up by another confidential source.
	This came from another fellow radio talk show host, by the way.
	Who told me about a Department of Homeland Security insider that basically verified what I said about the briefing for dependents.
	Keeping in mind, this is not all people in the military, not all people with the Department of Defense getting these briefings are their dependents.
	It would only be those part of continuity of government contingency planning.
	Which is a very tiny percentage of people, either civilian employees or people in the military, probably no more than one or two percent.
	So that's in a real Reader's Digest version, what I bring to the table that I can talk about publicly.
	I continue to get more information.
	The phone rings off the hook.
	One thing I can share with you, a sighting of two United Nations military convoys in Minnesota the last two days.
	The men driving the trucks were wearing camouflage uniform, wearing helmets, which American GIs would almost never do in the States.
	Armored vehicles appeared to have weapons mounted on them covered with canvas.
	It's hard to say what's under the canvas, but that appears to be the case of what was going on there.
	I have more reports that I'm working to verify before I go public with them.
	I don't like to put information out there that hasn't been vetted to my satisfaction.
	So that's in a nutshell what I've got to say.
	Okay, well, let me ask you this, John Moore, because I, you know, I've talked to Mike Harris, obviously, and he's on the line here with us, but before we go over to him, he said that he gave you, he was at least one of your sources.
	Are you saying that you've got other sources aside from the briefing?
	I got two sources independent of Mike, right.
	Okay, very good.
	And I'm just curious in terms of what you think about why, for example, you and Mike might be the only two people that are being informed out there and are speaking out about this.
	Well, I can give you a list.
	I'm just going to do it off the air of one, two, three, Three radio talk show hosts and a station owner that have the same, similar information.
	Okay, are they speaking out?
	Well, I don't listen to their shows.
	I was on one last night and they were speaking out, both the owner and the talk show host.
	I'll be on tomorrow evening with Randy Yarborough.
	He's on a commercial station out near Denver someplace.
	And Paul Martin, who has his own radio show.
	These men are all speaking out publicly.
	They don't have the outreach that Republic Broadcasting does, so they're not nearly as well known.
	I understand.
	But what I'm curious about is, are there sources of information, yourself and Mike?
	They have, yes.
	Paul Martin is developing his own sources.
	We work closely together.
	Randy Yarbrough is developing sources of his own.
	Another radio talk show host, Andy Russ, R-U-S-S, is developing his sources.
	Okay.
	Very interesting.
	Can you tell me, the briefing that they received, how close was that source to you that gave you that information?
	My source overheard the dependent who talked about being at the briefing.
	Okay, so they overheard.
	Can you classify that to some degree?
	In other words, is that hearsay or is that something... No, no.
	Hearsay would be one person in between them.
	That's, hearsay would be, well, it's not hearsay.
	Okay.
	Hearsay would be if Mike overheard the person talking, Mike Harris is on the line right now.
	If Mike overheard the dependent talking and then you heard Mike talking about what Mike heard, that would be hearsay.
	Right.
	Okay.
	So my source directly heard the person talking about the briefing.
	Okay.
	And they were involved in the briefing?
	Well, they were there, yeah.
	Okay, that was my question.
	Okay.
	And the person who was involved in the briefing, was that a military person or was that a civilian?
	The person that my source heard was the spouse of the Department of Defense employee.
	Okay.
	Okay, but the spouse was in the briefing or the husband?
	The dependents had their own briefings.
	Oh, I see.
	Well, I guess maybe the spouses could attend, too.
	But they had a special briefing set up just for the dependents.
	Okay, and then what about the husband?
	Has anybody tried to contact him directly?
	No.
	This is the way they keep secrets, Carrie.
	It's a combination of promises and threats.
	The promise of a paycheck and a pension, the threat of losing a paycheck and a pension, and possibly worse.
	Right.
	Okay.
	Were you given a timeline?
	Because, as you know, Mike was given very specific dates.
	He was given very specific dates, and I was not given any specific dates.
	No, I was not.
	This was imminent on some level, it sounds like.
	Well, you wouldn't do a briefing like this, Carrie, a year in advance or even six months in advance, for the main reason being the chance of people talking about what they're becoming knowledgeable of, and it would serve no purpose anyway.
	This would be something done no more than 30 to 90 days before the event.
	Okay, interesting.
	Now, were you led to believe, before you heard from Mike, that this was going to be an incoming planetary body?
	They specifically talked in the briefing about Nibiru.
	Specifically.
	Okay, so they labeled it as Nibiru.
	Right, right.
	Okay, that's very interesting.
	And you must You must know whether or not, well, I don't know if you know, but what is your understanding of the information you got from Mike Harris?
	Do you want to relate that?
	We'll get Mike to fill in.
	Mike can speak for himself, but Mike's information is very complimentary and fits hand in glove with what I'm getting, which is what got both of our attention.
	Things we learned in military intelligence school and as a homicide detective, Kerry, what do you look for in any investigation are witnesses who don't know each other saying the same thing.
	Absolutely, and Camelot does the same thing, so we are always looking for that, and that's part of the reason I wanted you guys to come on here together.
	I was trying to get Dr. Deagle on here.
	I know that Mike was his source for information, but I understood Dr. Deagle also possibly had some other sources.
	He has put me off for the time being.
	I think he's being very cautious Initially he accepted and then he wasn't able to be here tonight so I'm hoping to get him on at some point.
	Are you in touch with Dr. Deagle either?
	I'm on with Dr. Deagle every Friday the third hour of his show and I have been for nearly four years now or so.
	Okay.
	I'm in weekly contact with him at least.
	Okay and would you say that he has some other sources besides Mike?
	His career, Dr. Deagle's career has put him in places That you would read about in novels.
	Just in case you don't know, I've interviewed him, so I know.
	In the confidence of your being your doctor, people will tell things they would never talk about otherwise.
	So he's had some very privileged access through his career as being a medical doctor and met some interesting people along the way.
	Okay, now, one last thing before we give Mike a chance to talk, and I apologize to Mike, but I am trying to get John, you know, thoroughly vetted here, or whatever, so that we could... No worries, Tom.
	John's time is restricted, so go ahead, make hay while the sun shines, and all the information out of him you can get.
	Okay, so I appreciate that.
	Anyway, Cliff High has written, I don't know if you know who Cliff High is, John?
	I know who he is.
	I've been reading his material for years.
	Excellent.
	I read what he wrote about my interview.
	Okay, he said, he actually called you to task on the notion of the briefing, which, you know, look, you're relaying information, this is not your, you know, you're not to be blamed for whether he thinks something is logically done or not.
	What do you think about that?
	Well, here's what Cliff High wrote.
	He said that if The military is being briefed.
	There would be so many tens of thousands of them that they couldn't keep a secret.
	If that's what's going on, what Cliff High was saying would be true.
	But that's not what's going on.
	There's maybe one or two percent of military people are involved in what's called continuity of government contingency planning.
	So, Cliff High is mistaken.
	It's not all the military.
	It's a very tiny, tiny, maybe 1%, approaching 2% that's being briefed.
	So, he's all wet with that.
	All right and I appreciate that uh and and hopefully he if he's not listening at the moment he'll he'll you know someone will get him and and get him to to uh to listen right away.
	In fact if we could get Cliff by sometime in the next two hours to call into the show that would be a lot of fun.
	If you get him if you offer him a piece of pie he will show up.
	If you read his stuff, you know what I'm talking about.
	Yeah, that's true.
	So, at any rate, since I have you, John, you know, and I really would like to prevail upon you to maybe come on my show in the future because you're obviously a very knowledgeable individual and I know you have your own show and you're very popular over there, but the Camelot audience would get a big thrill out of hearing a lot more from you than what we're going to get today.
	So please keep that in mind for the future.
	I'll do that, Carrie, but something we touched on that I need to maybe emphasize for your listeners.
	Us radio talk show hosts, we have a private network that has become a private intelligence network.
	We've known each other for years.
	We've worked with each other for years.
	I've been a guest on these different shows with these different talk show hosts, and in the process of that working relationship, We grow to know each other, trust each other, and share information, and share what we get from our sources.
	So it's, this private network is kicking in.
	And I'm working with these various radio talk show hosts around the country, each one of whom has their own network of sources and contacts.
	And it's been a very gratifying thing to see this come together with no pre-planning or no structure of any kind, other than the fact we know each other, we trust each other, and we want to make sure we get the information out.
	So Mike Harris is part of this, Andy Russ is part of this, Randy Yarborough, Paul Martin, and there's probably going to be some others added as we move along, but that's the network I'm working with.
	Okay.
	And isn't Dr. Waterman, the name he goes by, Dr. Waterman also in that network?
	Not in mine.
	He might be with mine.
	Oh, I see.
	Okay.
	I thought perhaps you guys knew each other.
	We... I don't... No, we don't.
	Okay.
	Okay, fine.
	All right.
	Well, at any rate, I'm glad to find out about the network.
	I'm sure everyone would be... is interested to hear about that.
	I need to include Dr. Butch Powell also.
	Okay.
	All right, well, any of those individuals that do end up to have some information about this particular planetoid, or whether it's Nibiru, or whether it's an income object, are welcome to come on my show.
	We do have an interruption here.
	I hope you can stay with us, John.
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	Hi there, this is Gary Cassidy, Project Camelot, Whistleblower Radio.
	Yeah.
	the air to dawn.
	And we are talking to John Moore and Mike Harris about this incoming planetary object that some people are calling Nibiru, and trying to compare notes, which is what all of us should be doing if we have information on the subject, and this way we can get to the bottom of what is exactly true and what isn't.
	At the moment, Where we were at was sort of looking at the dates, August 17th, and then we were talking about, you know, what else you might know, or what Diegel might have been bringing to the table.
	Do you know about the telescopes that he's been talking about, John Moore?
	Well, another friend of mine is Professor James McCanning.
	Professor McCanning is a credentialed astrophysicist And he's very knowledgeable of these matters from the point of view of a real credentialed scientist.
	There's quite a few of these telescopes.
	The ones that we're looking at at the moment are in the southern hemisphere.
	In fact, one of the astronomers working for the Brazilian government has gone public that he's seen the 10th planet and is observing it.
	The Vatican, by the way, has at least three, possibly four, professional-grade astronomical observatories.
	And, of course, in the Antarctic there's been a lot of that kind of activity for a number of years.
	So the real emphasis is on the Southern Hemisphere.
	There's also been a number of astronomers who've been either ...murdered or died in very suspicious circumstances.
	One of these observatories was burned to the ground, by the way.
	There's a very concerted effort to keep this information from going public as long as possible, on one hand.
	On the other, if you're active on the Internet, you'll see lots of people claiming to have taken images of the 10th planet, and they're in the Northern Hemisphere, which at the moment can't be done.
	They're taking images of something, but not the 10th planet.
	And they also claim to have found images on various NASA satellite feeds and things like that.
	That's not going to happen.
	That's very carefully controlled, and the public is not going to be allowed to access that kind of information directly from NASA.
	So, I don't know specifically what Dr. Deagle was talking about, and don't speak for him, but these observatories are in the Southern Hemisphere.
	They're observing it 24-7 along with space-based observation platforms like the Hubble and others.
	Okay, I want to say here that Cliff High has written to me, I just stumbled on his email, apparently is listening or someone close to him is.
	He says, Continuity of government 1-2% of military equals 300,000 personnel.
	That is a serious number of people.
	There are 3 million military personnel.
	Thanks more to dispute having been through it with The number would be 30,000, not 300,000.
	Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
	We have 3 million people in the military.
	We got the decimal point in the wrong place there.
	Okay.
	The number would be 30,000, not 300,000.
	Exactly.
	Okay, well, Cliff, if you want to call in, let me see you.
	There's a call-in number on the radio, on American Freedom Radio here, and you're welcome to do so.
	Keep in mind, Carrie, almost 200,000 people, including my father and grandfather, worked on the Manhattan Project, not knowing, having a clue what they were working on.
	Not a clue.
	Yeah, that's... The government can very effectively keep secrets.
	My father and grandfather were plumbers working at Oak Ridge, Tennessee.
	They were part of the Manhattan Project.
	They got a nice little certificate signed by, allegedly, by President Truman, thanking him for their time.
	But yes, the government can keep secrets very effectively, and they've known how to do that for decades.
	They use compartmentalization, they use promises, they use threats, and yes, they can do that.
	Okay, let me just put the number out there in case Cliff High wants to call in.
	It's 218-339-8525.
	And I believe, I don't know for sure, but it looks like we've got Stu Webb also holding on here.
	Do you guys know Stu Webb?
	I don't believe I do.
	Mike?
	I don't either.
	Okay, I don't know if it's Stu Webb for sure, but there's a guy named Stu who's come on the call in line.
	I'm going to hold off on picking that up just to get to a few more questions here before we do that.
	So, bottom line here, John, what's your understanding about if this were true, and if indeed there would be, you know, tsunamis, earthquakes, and possibly, I don't know, some volcanic action?
	I'm not sure if that's part of it.
	As a result of this and that would be you know very shortly because this is coming August 17th is not is not so far around the corner and neither is 30 to 90 days.
	With no notice whatsoever I what do you think that the whole we're talking the whole world not just America I mean it's not just going to affect although they might be briefing a certain part of the American military and we've got a foreign military
	person who is reporting information to Mike and I don't know I had an incident where you might have heard about it or maybe you didn't in which we're still trying to find out if the NSA whistleblower that that we've been getting information from has information specifically on this.
	He did give me information saying that Nibiru was part of a system which would be surrounding a brown dwarf that was out somewhere around the Kuiper Belt and that was He said it was manageable.
	I'm not sure what manageable means, but coming from the military, that could mean anything.
	What do you think?
	Well, I'm not sure what the word manageable in terms of they can get their people to a safe haven, or do they mean they're going to send up Bruce Willis to blow the thing up?
	I mean, what are we talking about here?
	Yeah.
	Well, obviously, I don't know what we're talking about, to be honest.
	I'm throwing that out because you're sort of traveling in these circles.
	Right.
	Well, I don't believe Bruce Willis is on standby to blast off and blow up this rock.
	I don't think that's part of the program.
	Okay.
	All right, Mike.
	Mike, why don't you come forward at this time, and I'd love to hear John's response to your new information.
	I don't know, have you shared the second news source with him at all?
	Well, yeah, John and I appeared on his radio show this morning.
	I got up an extra hour early, so instead of getting up at 4.30, I got up at 3.30 to be on John's show, which I was not happy about.
	But then John agreed to stay on for my show, so we stretched it into a two-hour joint show, and it turned out very good.
	We got a lot of good information out.
	But I was clued into this probably somewhere between 60 and 90 days ago.
	By a director-level individual who runs, manages, sets policy for a foreign intelligence agency who, because of my association with Veterans Today, I have the ability to talk to.
	And I may have told you this before, Kerry, but Veterans Today is, you know, there's over 150 contributors to it, 70% of which are former or current intelligence types.
	And so I get access to some really first-class, world-class individuals.
	And this particular man told me that, you know, to be wary, to be careful, that he gave me the dates of August 17th and September 26th as dates when this thing would be passing near to Earth and to just make sure that I was out of cities and that I was away that he gave me the dates of August 17th and September 26th as dates when this thing would be passing near to Earth Well, that started a cascade effect in my little mind to where I wanted to know more.
	So I started reaching out to others within the network, and I found an active source within the U.S. database, government, I won't name agencies or individuals, but who confirmed that and said that this is coming from the South and is going to primarily affect, for earthquakes, Southeast Asia.
	That's where a great deal of this activity is going to occur.
	And I was fishing for stuff, and the more I fished, the more they clammed up.
	But that's how I got involved in this.
	And it was quite accidentally, because we were on a different subject.
	And then I dug deeper, and the other concern is that as this thing passes through the asteroid belt on its way here, that it's disturbing asteroids that have been in stable orbits for a very long time.
	And it's like when the cue ball hits the balls on the pool table, and they all go everywhere in that they're looking at these things going helter-skelter throughout the inner solar system versus the outer solar system.
	And that's my latest and greatest as of this morning.
	Okay, but when I spoke to you, and I want to be careful, Mike, in case there was something you said to me that you don't want out over there.
	But you did say that the second source, which you haven't really described what level he's involved in, you did say he was American, right?
	American and a...anybody who knows the American structure will know that anyone who's a GS-16 or above is a high-level guy.
	Okay, so you're saying he's a high-level guy.
	I assume is this in the military or in intelligence?
	I can't give any more information because I don't want to burn the guy.
	Alright, fine.
	Now, what you did tell me was that this guy had basically corroborated the August 17th date.
	Is that correct?
	This guy had said those dates are approximately correct, that it's an inexact science, that was explained to me, but for planning purposes, plus or minus a week either way is good for him.
	Guys, I need to bail out of here, because I have to get up at zero-o-dark-three to be on the radio.
	Okay, so we do, John, just so you know, Cliff, I have encouraged him to call in, so maybe it looks like he actually might be here at this moment, so let me double check.
	I don't know if you want to encounter him.
	I'll say hi to him.
	I have a lot of respect for Cliff and his work.
	I've been following it for years.
	Oh, come on, John.
	John, you can stay up past your bedtime if you want.
	Come on.
	Give us 15 minutes.
	We've got, let's see, Cliff, are you there?
	Sure, yeah.
	Hi there, how are you?
	Doing fine.
	I'll be a bit noisy for a second because I'm cooking here, but I just thought I'd bring up the math.
	I don't want to dispute anybody's position and it's not like I'm disrespecting anybody that has ever written for veterans today.
	My issue is that I lived through this kind of thing in the Cuban Missile Crisis, and I saw it fall apart.
	And the argument that, well, we've had the Manhattan Project and so on, yeah, there were a huge number of people that worked for it, but it was the most open secret on the planet.
	It was not like it wasn't known out here in the West.
	It wasn't like we didn't know what was going on here when Hanford started getting all involved and all of this.
	Uh, you know, everybody thinks it was a large secret, and it was not written about in the mainstream press, but it was not unknown, and there's a big difference.
	And having gone through the Cuban Missile Crisis, in a situation where my father's work placed us in the category of snatch your butt and throw you in a bunker, I know how it goes, and you call your aunts and your grandmothers and so on, and they call somebody and they spill the beans.
	And that latter effect goes so rapidly that there should, by now, within, I would think, even hours of such a meeting, there should be several sources, when in days there should be perhaps hundreds.
	And you're talking, if you're talking continuity of government and dependence, you're probably talking well over 200,000 people.
	Okay, John, what do you say to that?
	Well, uh, my sources are reliable and I stand behind them.
	And, uh, that's pretty much my... Okay, so, so, what we're really talking about, Cliff, wouldn't you agree, is the fact that this is not being picked up by the mainstream news?
	No, no, actually, there's other issues here involved, okay?
	And there's the science component of it at two different levels.
	An object unseen I can buy because I understand Dr. Bot's heliocentric versus helicocentric model.
	So you could have something sneak in from the south.
	And there are not a lot of astronomers that look that way.
	So I can cover that, right?
	Our population base is not down that far, however.
	There's the issue of the charge, okay, the electric charge.
	This is the thing that even the Mayans wrote about when Venus was captured.
	The giant electrical arcs of a body intruding, causing a huge level of charge disruption in our solar system.
	If there were such a body, we would have these electrical disruptions that would occur as giant lightning strikes, and in fact, the grand canals on Mars, or excuse me, the grand Caves on Mars, their version of a Grand Canyon was probably created by such lightning strikes in a planetary level, and we have seen no such discharges.
	So I do not buy the planetary thing coming on in, and I've seen so much coming out of CFR that I know they are using that as a disinfo thing.
	Go and read their documents for the last three or four years, you don't even have to read between the lines, and you'll find that they intend to use this in their control mechanisms.
	Okay, very interesting.
	John Moore and Mike, because both of you are sort of implicated here because of your sources.
	First of all, there should be some more sources coming forward.
	I have to agree with that one.
	I don't know why you guys have kind of been out there on your own more or less with the With the source material, so to speak.
	I am working on mine, but I don't have anything hard and fast at the moment.
	What about the motion of the electrical charge?
	I'm not a scientist.
	Carrie, let me make a statement here first, addressing this.
	And, you know, Don is probably on the same page as I am, but he'll have to speak for himself.
	Whenever I got this information, you know, I've been told to keep a quiet stand down.
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	I'm not going to... Okay, we'll be right back.
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	Cliff, are you still there?
	Yes, still here.
	Excellent.
	Okay, we just wanted to, I think, reply briefly to your talk about the electrical universe.
	I believe John Moore has something to say about that.
	Go right ahead, John.
	Well, Cliff, what you're saying is absolutely scientifically accurate.
	Our solar system and universe is electrically charged, and the ancients did observe these lightning bolts that you described, and they wrote about them.
	So yes, what you're saying is absolutely true, and it's also true that this has not yet happened.
	That's also true.
	Okay, how about the idea that it's in the infrared spectrum and possibly being cloaked, and I'm not sure by what?
	Well, not cloaked as in Star Wars, but there's a cloud of red dust, I guess you could best describe it, and The visible light spectrum, you can see this object a very few weeks of the year.
	The rest of the time, you can see it in the infrared light spectrum if you've got the right equipment.
	Okay, but just because I've got all of you guys on here, I've actually been talking to somebody, a scientist, Who has a little bit of background in physics, and he's been giving me some background on all of this.
	I was told that, well, Mike, you said that it was now, right now, as we speak, supposed to be somewhere in the middle of the asteroid belt.
	It's approaching and coming through the asteroid belt.
	That's what I was led to believe by my US-based source, not by my overseas source.
	Okay, and then the idea being that it arrives around August 17th, that would mean what I'm told to ask all of you is a total orbital period for the object to go around the Sun.
	This information needs to be known and also you're saying what it's going to be closest to Earth on August 17th, how close, when is it going to be close to the Sun and that what basically this The individual said is that if knowing this information, they must know the orbit.
	In other words, the elliptical orbit of this object.
	That's quite correct, Carrie.
	You're keyed in there.
	If you know three points and configure a date that comes within even a two-week period of time, you should be able to track it down to the minute.
	Mike?
	Well, what I was told is that this thing is coming in at an extraordinarily high rate of speed.
	So high that the people who are observing it were surprised by how fast it is.
	If they know how fast it is, they know where it is.
	If they know how fast it is, they obviously know its orbit.
	They know where to predict it's going to be.
	I understand.
	But that's the information that I was given and that's really it.
	Let me ask you, maybe even John, if you could address this or anyone else.
	My understanding is we're actually talking about something that could appear to be a natural object.
	It's supposed to be around the size of the moon, is what I was also told.
	I guess that was by Mike.
	And that it could appear to be a natural object, but actually it could be being targeted.
	It could be, in other words, going at a fast rate of speed, an unusually fast rate of speed, suddenly.
	In other words, it doesn't sound like the brown dwarf.
	It doesn't sound like it's going around a brown dwarf.
	It's an object on its own, by what you're describing.
	Well, Steve Carey, one of the things that John and I discussed this morning on the radio was that one of my personal challenges is that I don't know what is good information and I don't know what's disinformation.
	So I take all these data points in and then I have to try to sort them out.
	And I'm still in that process.
	I've not solved this riddle yet.
	Okay, just offhand, John, are you being told this is a natural object?
	I've never heard anything otherwise from any source that I would trust.
	No, never.
	Okay, so what's being briefed?
	Can you imagine, though, that a military briefing would not necessarily tell people the whole truth and nothing but the truth?
	I've debriefed two dozen Navy veterans who were told to prepare for worldwide coastal flooding during their lifetimes.
	None of them were told how it would happen or why.
	They were just told that it would happen during their lifetimes.
	Okay, and it is interesting, Cliff, don't you think, that all of this information you've got, you've just gone public with what you're calling a coastal event that sometime results, at least between now and 2013, that coincides with Courtney Brown's at least between now and 2013, that coincides with Courtney Brown's information from his remote viewers, which is between now and sometime around June of 2013, the result of whatever this
	And maybe it's multiple things.
	It's supposed to cause a sweeping of the coast, a possible inland waterway around Sacramento, I think you said.
	A flooding.
	Well, you said torrential rains in the central part of the United States.
	I don't know what we're talking about worldwide, because I haven't heard your whole briefing, Cliff.
	It's pretty much that spread around the planet.
	Now, the issue is multiply complex, because first off, we need not postulate any incoming object.
	I really wish it were, because here's the thing, if it were an object that we're passing, we would know decades in advance, we'd be able to prepare, we'd be able to see it come, and then we'd see it go, and we would be done with it.
	Instead, what we've got is a situation where most people think that all of us orbit on our planet around the middle of the sun, this heliocentric model.
	In fact, we are trailing behind the sun very much like a comet drags debris, and so we are in a helical orbital pattern, which alters our perspective on how the planets interact, and thus everything we see happening on all the planets is explainable.
	By the simple known stated condition that the Sun has entered a new area of interstellar media that is different than before.
	The Russians have been talking about this since the late 80s.
	Every time we hear the Planet X stuff and we hear the large body discovered here and there and so on, We are getting either direct disinformation, in my opinion, so far, or we're getting this scientific echo that does not actually exist.
	They are postulating things based on their understanding, based on an understanding that is given to them that we are in a heliocentric orbit, in which case their math means that none of our movements make sense unless there is a large body out there.
	However, you can eliminate that totally All of their math problems go away if you remove the heliocentric and go to a helicocentrical model.
	And in 1949, Dr. Bott started publishing his results, and I bet you you can get Nassim Harriman to agree with me, we do not orbit the equatorial plane of the sun.
	It's kind of like this guy Max Planck.
	They developed prizes around him.
	He came up with Planck's Constant, and Planck's Constant is based on an experiment in which they used a cube.
	Buckminster Filler did the same experiment and used a tetrahedronal shape and got the exactly prescribed, without any deviation numbers that should have come out.
	And Max Planck's constant was only required if you chose to use a cube.
	So it's an issue of your perspective on what's going on here.
	If you're in a helical-centrical model versus a heliocentric, different conditions make sense.
	And we are going to get the global coastal event, and all of that kind of stuff makes sense.
	It makes sense also because, see, here's the deal.
	If we're all being trailed behind the sun in a commentary fashion, then we have actually been shifted because, in my opinion, we've entered this denser area of space.
	It's kind of pushed our cone all together, and so we're closer to all the crud from the asteroid belt.
	So we're likely to get a lot more hits.
	Well, Cliff, I hope you're right, because it would be a blessing to have six to eight or nine more months before this thing happens.
	No, no, no, it isn't that way.
	The issue is quite precisely described by Courtney Brown's experiment.
	It has happened, the first wave has happened by June 1 of 2013.
	Okay, we don't know when it happens, it'll happen between December and June, but it has happened by June.
	So we do not have any time beyond December, we think, to prepare some point beyond that something is going to occur.
	We just don't know.
	I'll take six months as opposed to... I'll take that as well.
	I enjoy that opinion as well.
	I'll take that as well, but let me ask you guys, you know, John more specifically, but the others as well, simply because we have a limited time with John here tonight.
	Let me ask you if your sources have any kind of scientific background such that they can sort of vet the information they're getting or even relay it scientifically.
	In other words, because this is where it breaks down, is when you look at the science.
	In other words, Cliff's explanation begins to make sense out of it.
	Without that, I understand.
	My friend Professor McKinney is a credentialed astrophysicist and I'll let Professor McKinney speak for himself and his books speak for himself.
	And I'll just let it go at that.
	The sources I was talking about initially, these are just people.
	They're just people.
	They have no scientific credentials other than they probably went to a high school science class.
	Is it possible, though, that a party line is being put out there by the military to these people because, for some reason or other, they don't want to reveal this other information that you're talking about, Cliff?
	Well, they can't.
	They can't.
	I would agree with that, and I would agree that they would do everything they could to provide a series of stepping stones up to the very last point that they'd bolt to the holes and slam the door shut, as anybody who's been involved with the military knows how that thinking goes.
	Right?
	If you're in a siege mode and you're going to have to close up the keep, you have a series of defenses you plan to keep people at bay as you retreat into it.
	Correct, sir?
	That's true.
	Absolutely.
	Well, this time we're not dealing with physical defenses.
	We're talking about psychological defenses and ways to keep people from finding the hidey holes and wanting to get down there and so on.
	Imagine the panic that's going to come out.
	The Russians have taken care of this.
	The Russians have announced to the public that there's coming crises.
	They've announced what they're doing.
	They've added five million underground units that will be completed here shortly, etc., etc., etc.
	And the Chinese have done the same.
	That's very interesting.
	It is a whole different psychology.
	And see, I read and speak Russian.
	I speak Russian badly, but I read it fairly decently, and I follow the Cyrillic press, and there's a lot of stuff going on there that is just simply not reported here.
	Okay, we'll be right back.
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	I believe he's still there.
	Cliff, are you there?
	Yeah, yeah, I'm still here.
	Excellent.
	And Mike Harris, and both Mike Harris and John Moore are radio talk show hosts on Republic Broadcasting, and they have been talking about their sources for information leading to what appears to be either what some are calling Nibiru, specifically Dr. Deagle and John Moore, and or what Mike Harris is calling a planet-sized object.
	They've been told by sources is headed inside our solar system around the asteroid belt at this time, supposedly arriving here around August 17th and then causing possibly tsunamis and earthquakes, etc., However, Cliff High has been giving us some science that may dispute that.
	And it may appear, it may be, that the military is actually putting out a story, a cover story, to misdirect certain kinds of interest, but on some level trying to notify people to warn them.
	What do you think about that theory?
	If I can intrude, Kerry, there's one other possibility we need to consider.
	And this is the really nasty part of it all, right?
	Sure.
	What if it's an attempt to sweep a network?
	Okay, what if they want to know who says what to whom?
	I used to do this all the time in the early part of the internet was run propagation studies to see how rapidly descriptions about people and so forth would propagate throughout the internet so I could put it in with my bots and figure the math and stuff.
	So someone may want to know, hmm, if we put out a story here and these people pick it up, who else is going to pick it up?
	Who's associated with whom that we don't know about yet?
	Absolutely.
	Well, this has definitely crossed my mind.
	I've seen it as a possible PSYOP.
	The fact that a lot of the information has come specifically from Mike Harris, who I've got on the line here, and he can speak for himself when I'm done with this statement.
	But Mike Harris, with all due respect, as I put on my blog today, Something of a neophyte in this, in this sector in terms of conspiracy and specifically with regard to off-planet visitors, etc.
	But he's recently been asked to join a somewhat exclusive group called the Adamus Group.
	And he, along with Gordon Duff, are members of this group.
	My understanding is that, Mike, it is very possible That they ceded information to Mike specifically to vet him in a certain way, to watch his behavior, to see how he handled it, and then to see who he sent it out to and how they handle it and so on.
	In other words, kind of a test run.
	Which, I think, in some ways, LNN last year and what was called Y255 with Hoagland was also a similar sort of hunting exercise or tracking exercise, whatever you want to call it.
	That's very, very possible.
	I know, Mike, you trust your group implicitly.
	I do get that impression.
	What do you say to all this?
	Well, you know, maybe I'm the biggest dope in the world and I'm being played for a fool that that's entirely possible I you know One of the one of my greatest flaws in life is I am extremely gullible You know and that that's very possible.
	But like I said earlier If you come across this kind of information and if that's the exercise that's going on then fine but if it's real information and we can use it to save lives and Then it's worth the risk.
	And my reputation means less to me than saving someone else's life.
	And that's just how I look at it.
	But I would like to go back to one of Cliff's earlier comments about the helical nature of how the planets follow the sun in a spiraling nature.
	I've been reading the work of... What's his name?
	Oh God, I'm just... The German physicist...
	No, no.
	Walter Shawberger.
	Shawberger's work.
	And everything that Shawberger states is based on this.
	If you follow Schauberger's work, and if we're entering into an area of the universe that is denser than the previous area, that's going to force a compaction of the trailing objects behind the sun.
	It's going to bring those objects in closer proximity to each other.
	And so that's just an observation that I gleaned out of Schauberger's work, that as you condense this spiral from a very wide spiral to a much more narrow spiral, because of the density of the environment that the sun and the solar system is passing through, that's one of the effects. because of the density of the environment that the sun So like I said, I don't know what I don't know, and I'm not going to pretend to have expertise on things that I don't have adequate knowledge about.
	I need to also speak up in your defense, though.
	Okay, because you have mentioned something that is a possibility and we've got to be open to this because there's some weird stuff out there.
	What I say is true about an organic body entering the solar system that would be even moon-sized would be true relative to the charge.
	Okay?
	Also, the Dr. Botts model, the helical model, and the dense solar interstellar media prevents things from coming into solar systems.
	Solar systems are very much like cells, with a cell wall around them.
	That's why the Voyager spacecraft have not yet left our cell, is because they can't get through it.
	Because nobody anticipated it, because they didn't know it existed.
	Because we'd always sampled space in between the planets, which is a vacuum.
	Because our sun is going so fast, it creates that vacuum.
	There is one exception to the idea of a charge issue or a planetary issue involved.
	For instance, there's no comet that ever leaves our solar system.
	And the Russians have confirmed this to me.
	I made this statement on radio, and then there was this nice Russian astrophysicist that sent me some very classified work, some ephemeri that proved from their mathematics on five comets that they stay within our solar system.
	Halleys, everybody.
	They never leave our solar system.
	They just orbit in areas that we can't see them.
	And I can explain that, but another issue, though, the saving grace to all of this, or the weird part of it is, it could be an artificial thing, okay?
	Because then all the rules don't apply.
	We've seen these huge things near the sun.
	I've got my 3D glasses here.
	I've seen some weird craft that have electrical issues traveling through space and have figured out different ways of dealing with them.
	As they pass over, I've caught glimpses of these things.
	So I've seen some really strange stuff.
	So I can't rule out the idea that an artificial body would not necessarily cause these effects.
	However, here's the other part of that.
	If you had an artificial body, a spaceship in essence, It didn't have to worry about the electrical charge and could scoot about independent of the helical nature and could catch up with us.
	Then, why should it cause any kind of gravitational problems at all?
	If it has woven itself through our solar system without causing any kind of gravitational issues, why should it suddenly cause them?
	So, it's kind of a six of one, half a dozen of another issue.
	You're talking to somebody who does not think the Moon is natural.
	I believe it to be an artificial structure.
	Well, Cliff, I agree with you on that one, and the orbit of the moon is too perfect, and it's too well placed, and we never see the dark side of the moon, and it seems like it was guided and placed there for some reason.
	And it's older than the Earth, and there's stuff there that, yeah, exactly.
	And I've seen some weird stuff with the goggles coming off of the moon, so yeah.
	I've viewed some beings on there and definitely know that it to be hollow.
	But I'm a little more interested in Phobos myself.
	I think that at this moment though, what we're talking about, it could be a sort of cross between the two, if you will, and work with me on this cliff.
	But Mike, I also want you to pay close attention and see what your responses are.
	In other words, that we're talking about a moon-like object that could be similar to Phobos, which is a command and control center that I have been told about by multiple whistleblowers that I trust, and that makes perfect sense to me on an intuitive level.
	And what is happening is that this is an object that looks and acts like a natural object, but it is being manipulated, and it is possibly also being piloted from within.
	And therefore, whether or not it perturbs other bodies, whether it's perturbing them right now in the asteroid belt, I don't know, and I don't know if we have telescopes that are able to see that kind of thing.
	But if indeed it is that kind of a body, and it is, in other words, an artificial looking like a natural moon type of object, then we have sort of a more complex problem.
	Well, but you've got another issue though, Kerry, and that is the following.
	We can no longer assume, okay, we know what we know, but we know that our area of non-knowledge is huge.
	But there are hints, and some of the hints that come through are staggering.
	For instance, the hint that we can't see things from any spot in our horizon off of our planet has shrunk down to zero because the military has so many telescopes up there that they donated their two unused ones Well, I think it's a given that there's a secret space program, it's a given that they really do know the answers to all these questions we're out here talking about.
	Yes, and I've seen them actually in activity up here.
	You see the little triangle craft and the huge whatever the hell that they're feeding, you know, these big giant ships that they move to and from, and then the space aliens that they run from.
	Okay, so what we're trying to do here is we're working blind because they have imposed that situation upon us.
	Well, you're making the assumption though that the...
	You're making the assumption, though, that there is some kind of an object and then trying to come up with a rationale that would explain how it could exist.
	And I'm going the other way in saying that... I think it's very interesting, yes.
	Obviously, your theory is that there's no object at all and that we live in this helical, as you're calling it, solar system.
	But actually, I'm not sure how that relates to the Dark Rift, for example.
	I'm not sure how that relates to what Paul LaViolette talked about, which is a super wave coming from the galactic center.
	These are other things that I'm told that are also playing into this situation at this time.
	In other words, it's a complex moving target.
	It's not as simple as, it's not a planetary object and therefore It's only because of the kind of system we live in.
	No, I understand what you're saying.
	I understand what you're saying.
	But I'm saying that if you don't understand, or if you're approaching things from a heliocentric model, then you're going to make certain assumptions that are not true.
	And those assumptions can really impact things.
	Even like Paul Voilet's primal wave theory runs into some issues if the interstellar media is not a vacuum.
	And we know it's not a vacuum.
	Well, Cliff, you've just touched on the key here.
	And the key to this is, what assumptions are you basing your conclusions off of?
	And I can answer those, yeah.
	If you change one assumption, you change the entire conclusion that you've come to.
	And that's really where this thing is fluid.
	And we have to remain flexible in our mindset so that as new information or different information comes along, we can adapt it to something that hopefully represents a more accurate representation of reality.
	I understand that, but my point in the whole thing is that if there was an idea that a real briefing had occurred, I would expect multiple sources.
	If I saw multiple sources, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
	I'd be packing and heading for the hills, because I know how these things progress.
	I also know that we face real issues in a short period of time.
	Whatever source, and it's immaterial to me, whatever's going to cause what I've called the global coastal event, it doesn't matter to me whether it's a sun expulsion or whether it's incoming material from the asteroid belt because our cone has shrunk and we're thus closer to it, etc.
	etc.
	I just don't, it's not material because I know what the effects will be.
	But I also know that between now and then there's going to be a series of rising points of panic and attempts by the ...powers that be to use this panic for their own purposes and so we need to be very very diligent and think about things like this before offering them up with any sense of authority.
	Well, Cliff, I hope I've been very careful and that I've not spoken out of turn because I'll be the first one to admit I don't know what I don't know.
	This is information that was given to me and I'm just relaying it as closely and as accurately as it was given to me.
	Okay, let me address one aspect of this.
	The fact that you, well Mike, and you can talk to this Have had some death threats, at least in part, associated with this information.
	And other parties have as well.
	I'm not going to name their names.
	Okay, can I ask about that though?
	Can I ask a pertinent question about that?
	What form do these death threats take?
	Someone come on up and talk to you?
	Were there shots fired?
	What's the actual form?
	Well, one of my sources that I was talking to said that you can't go public with all of this because if you do, your car is going to blow up with you inside of it.
	Okay.
	No, that was a warning.
	That was not a death threat.
	Let's be real clear about what's going on here.
	Yeah.
	Well, I don't know.
	I call it a warning.
	And if that's from the same source, we can't assume that it's in any way valid.
	He's just trying to be self-referentially, you know, with a certain amount of integrity for his own information.
	So if you're being played, that would be exactly what would occur.
	You know, oh, well, we'll tell you this much, but if we tell you more, we've got to kill you.
	I'll be the first guy.
	Maybe that's being played.
	I will confront that head-on and say, you know, hey, but so what?
	I've made a fool of myself many a time.
	No, no, no, no.
	I'm sorry, sir.
	You missed it.
	You missed my point.
	No, it's a little more serious than that.
	What we've got is we're trying to inform the public.
	We're trying to get information out there that they can take on board and then plan their lives and possibly saving their lives as you rightly said in the beginning, Mike.
	In other words, it is serious information.
	It's not just casual information.
	They have people leaving the coastline.
	I live near the coastline.
	I'd have to get up and change my entire life to To accommodate information if it's correct.
	I haven't done so yet.
	I'm not getting any intuitive take on what's happening right the second yet that tells me to go but and I'm waiting for that by the way, but nonetheless I think I think that it is crucial information and we need to take it very seriously.
	I appreciate that Mike's willing to put himself on the line for the sake of the possibility that this is true.
	I know that John Moore is also a conscientious individual as he's just been on my show a few minutes ago and I'm sure you could tell talking about a source within the military whose people that are getting briefed.
	Now, I don't think that's a lie.
	It's very likely those military people are being briefed.
	Whether or not they are then going out there and telling others, or whether they sign a non-disclosure and they're afraid for their lives, what kind of promises they're being made by the military, what kind of threats are being made by the military, I don't know.
	I haven't been in that position.
	Cliff, can you tell me, if you sign a non-disclosure agreement, you go out and you become a A source of information to people, regardless if you're saving their lives or you're not.
	What did they do to you?
	Well, it's a legal issue.
	See, they're not going to kill you.
	It has no real bearing on it.
	And the fact that it's a legal issue means that it's yours involved.
	Why didn't you tell that to my whistleblower who just got killed recently?
	That's different.
	That's different, okay?
	The whistleblower didn't sign a non-disclosure and walk away and blah blah.
	Oh, he did?
	He's an ex-military guy, sure.
	Okay, okay.
	But I'm saying for dependents and stuff, okay?
	Because I've been in that situation.
	They don't have you sign non-disclosures.
	I mean, they may just be, you know, for a psychological thing because they've got those psychological clues going on.
	But the following, uh, the issue of the briefings is so hugely fraught with complexities that you can't just assume that the thing occurred.
	I mean, what was told, the science that they were being told, if it's inaccurate, then does it matter?
	John Moore is getting inaccurate.
	Okay, we're going to have to be right back and continue this.
	Thank you so much, you guys.
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	Okay, this is Carrie Cassidy, Project Camelot, Whistleblower Radio, and we're talking to Mike Harris, Jeff.
	John Moore has had to go to sleep to get ready for his radio show at something ridiculous like four in the morning.
	I don't even know.
	And Cliff High is also on the radio with us.
	Thank you so much, Cliff, for doing this very impromptu discussion.
	Sure, no problem.
	If I could quickly explain a couple of my perspectives here, it'll get it out of the way.
	When the Cuban Missile Crisis happened, that was a period of time in 1962 when we had a very tense period.
	The whole country was in jitters for weeks ahead of it.
	And then we rushed into the Cuban Missile Crisis, and I was in a position to watch the military react to that.
	And they didn't give briefings where they would come on out and tell you what was going on.
	The military reacts the way they always do things.
	They give orders, you obey.
	Ours is not to reason why.
	Ours is but to do and die.
	That's the main function of the people in the military, at all levels, up and down.
	Dependents understand this, and they react that way.
	Now, it's been a long time since the 60s, and I haven't had any contact, and I'm sure the military has changed, but there's a core level of it there that doesn't.
	And so when they give briefings, they would come on in.
	I could buy them, come on in, and say, okay, people, you've got six hours.
	Grab this, that, and the other, and meet this bus.
	And then that's how they do it.
	They don't come in and say maybe you're going to have two weeks, maybe you're going to have this.
	They tell you explicit instructions because there's no point otherwise.
	They give you actionable information when they want you to act, and otherwise they don't tell you anything.
	That's the way the military is.
	Mike, you had a couple comments.
	Well, I did, and that was John's comment there about the briefing.
	That's not what I, was my issue.
	That was his.
	So I won't address that.
	But John and I talked earlier today after we did a two-hour show this morning on Republic.
	And then we spoke this afternoon, and he said he had confirmed with naval personnel on the West Coast That they were under orders to move heavy equipment out of... to higher ground.
	That's what his term was.
	Sure, I would buy that.
	That makes a lot of sense.
	I've seen all kinds of huge military activity out here.
	We've got giant helicopters, those double rotor things, all that stuff.
	All inland as far as they can, I'm quite certain, because of the direction they're flying.
	Well, I made other inquiries, and my inquiries led me to Army activity, which is happening around the Colorado Springs area where Fort Carson is, the Air Force Academy is there, etc.
	And I came across some other things as well, and they're not related I don't see a direct relation to this discussion, but the fact that I was told that the Colorado fires were started by the use of accelerant, that's why they spread so fast and so quickly, and that was used as cover to move heavy equipment in and around that part of Colorado.
	And I've been trying to nail that down, but... It doesn't make any sense to me, because the military does things out in the open, guys.
	I mean, I'm sitting here watching in a military zone as they do things.
	I was talking to a couple of people when we were sitting over at Lure Beach, Watching the Eagles and the Herons and stuff feed on Nisqually Reach.
	And we saw and heard a thousand car train leave a military base and head east.
	So they don't do things secretly.
	I mean, that thing rumbled through here for probably five hours.
	And they are moving stuff.
	But in my opinion, they're doing it in anticipation of next year, not anything immediate.
	And that was my whole issue.
	Now, there's one other aspect of this.
	If we're going to have a body in here, artificial or otherwise, that's going to be here in August, and it's going to cause any kind of problems, I hate to tell you, if it can cause problems in August, it should be causing them right now.
	It's only 30 days out.
	I agree with that.
	If it's a natural, if it's a natural body, now we just don't know that.
	Correct.
	And if it's not natural, we've got another entirely different paradigm in which we're going to have to deal with.
	Well, let me go ahead and finish my other revelation that I found out, and that was that the U.S.
	military is training Russian troops in Colorado.
	As we speak, the special forces are training them.
	I confirmed this from a high-level colonel-type guy, and that they're being trained to fire on U.S.
	citizens if things don't go the way they planned.
	And where is this?
	Where is this that's being done?
	In the Colorado area.
	You've got to be more specific.
	You can't say Colorado.
	What military base?
	What units?
	You know?
	I mean, don't give me a general idea.
	I'm sorry, sir, but vague information at this point doesn't help us.
	I don't wish to be evasive with you, but I'm giving you as little as I know, and that's what I was told.
	Okay, well, if you read the Cyrillic Press, there hasn't been any information in any of the Russian press anywhere about contingents of Russian troops being sent to the U.S., and it should be all over Russian information.
	No, there's a lot of intel out on the Internet right now, and I've been getting it from individuals as well, saying that there were Russian troops on hand in Aurora When this thing came down with the shooter, etc.
	My point, Carrie, though, is that Russia is a different kind of a society.
	And they do things in a way that, because I understand the Russian language, and I read it, and I'm teaching myself more, and I read all of their press, where are any indications in the Russian press that they're sending their troops out of country?
	Okay.
	You wouldn't believe what they go through when they do this.
	It has been taken down several times today.
	It's taken down again now.
	I've been to Russia, and I appreciate your background there, Cliff.
	And you also have a very fascinating background with regard to Germany and early war, wartime, I guess you might say, post-war time.
	But as far as this goes, I've also got a source, an NSA guy, who is reporting to me.
	I've been posting it on my blog the last few days.
	My whistleblower, the contact who was in contact with this NSA guy, got a death threat over the phone, known certain terms, a description of a very close family member who, you know, a child, et cetera, proving that they were able to do whatever it is they were threatening to do, et cetera.
	You would have called this, I guess, warning I call no that would be a threat that would be a threat I would grant you that a threat perceived as a threat received yes okay and and told on no uncertain terms to stop communicating with me and to stop pursuing this matter at this is he still communicating with you yes well he will be and and but let me tell you what happened Interesting enough, you know, and the trouble is, it gets into the area of PSYOPs again.
	Because what happened was, the NSA guy was finally contacted, the guy was, his wife was very upset, I mean you can imagine they were.
	In kind of a panic, he finally kind of broke protocol, got in touch with the guy in a certain way that he had to follow.
	The NSA guy finally got back to him, who was in somewhere, well we don't know where he was, but was called back to Washington D.C.
	after he gave us, my contact, this information that I then posted.
	Um, and basically they were told to stand down.
	Uh, the word came back that they, uh, that they were just acting on protocol, uh, and, and following, uh, you know, sort of orders according to if something, something is released, then they go after the person who's releasing it, et cetera.
	So that was stopped.
	But the fact that it was stopped means that our contact, the NSA guy, is somehow being allowed to release this information, and this is where it gets complex.
	Now, this is not someone who has come forward and said anything about the body coming in that Mike's reporting, but he is reporting the heavy movement of equipment, the fires in Colorado that were set.
	I have witness testimony as well as to those as people setting them in Colorado.
	This is posted on my website.
	So what's happening is he said that it was the heavy equipment that was being moved was coming interdimensionally and through a dimensional door, from what I understand, which is actually what they're really referring to was a very large craft, extremely large.
	Okay, but, Kerry, all right, then it begs the question, why didn't they just have the interdimensional door open up wherever the hell they want the craft to go?
	Why bother popping it out over Colorado where you have to have all this smoke and fire and stuff and then moving it through the air to someplace?
	You know, I don't, yes, I, you know, I'm trying to get access to interview this witness so that I can ask my own questions.
	I've only got what I've got.
	He is also saying that movement through the rift is going to be something they consider major.
	But he was talking about something imminent, and that's partially why they were going forward.
	Again, we don't know if this is a PSYOP.
	We don't know if this information is being ceded to only reports.
	Mike, I know your source is in foreign intelligence.
	You also told me that he was now afraid for his life.
	sort of cement the fact that they mean business and you know so that people take them seriously etc in other words it's all a problem uh it's a huge problem mike i know your source is in foreign intelligence you also told me that he was now afraid for his life is that not right yes he is
	and in fact uh he disclosed to me today that he's going to be stepping down from his position because uh the the stress level on him is getting uh too big too great to bear - Yeah.
	And this is about the incoming object, correct?
	Yes, correct.
	Okay.
	And see, here's the thing.
	The hell of all of this is that I grant you that we're facing a really nasty period of time.
	I just don't think it's going to happen in August.
	And I'm of the opinion that the mechanisms are clearly described in an easy fashion and we don't have to postulate any of this other stuff.
	What is curious to me, though, is why the Council on Foreign Relations did such heavy-duty sweeping instantly after the Aurora shooting incident, the net, and why the traffic jumped, and then why all of these different kinds of rumors about incoming objects.
	It's almost as though they're getting ready to run some kind of a, what was that, a war of the worlds kind of scenario in anticipation of getting everybody heard it up.
	Project Bluebeam, which I had a live event talking about just a few days ago, that Courtney Brown was part of, had some contentious discussion in that regard, especially, I have to say, - Right.
	Very interesting.
	There's also this sudden melting in Greenland.
	I'm sure you've seen the news.
	Sure, sure.
	And it's not unexpected, actually.
	See, we've been planning for a lot of this because, look, the jet stream has stopped moving.
	They killed the Gulf, which concentrated all the heat in the Gulf, and it's now gone into the main part of the country.
	And it's not going away.
	And they're trying to engineer certain things to occur.
	The thing is, Kerry, If I let my mind go really crazy about this, I would say that they is some kind of an alien presence on the other side of whatever human monsters are their collaborators, and that we are being alien engineered, what with chemtrails, morgellons, and all this other weird stuff, right?
	It is so fantastic, though, that, you know, it's all speculation and so on, and so what I've got to deal with is the fact that, well, Courtney Brown's material and the elegance with which that experiment was designed, and then my subsequent remote viewing experiments, as well as supporting information from the Russians, especially relative to how the solar system is organized and what they're doing, tells me that we need to make very serious practical plans to save our lives beginning sometime in December, but in an unknown fashion.
	Or an unknown period relative to that December date.
	It might be February, which is when these first near-Earth objects are going to be passing.
	It might be slightly earlier than that.
	There's some indications that we're going to get some stuff in March.
	But we know, according to the remote viewing experiments, that the time, if you think of it with the multiple timelines, that all of them suffer something that occurs by June 1.
	Now, I don't buy a multiple time stream view of reality, but that does not stop me from having corroborating Okay, Mike, you have something to say?
	Well, yeah, I do, and that is to Cliff's conclusion that somehow the entire human race is being manipulated at this time, and I've come to the similar conclusion based on my personal experiences and the studies that I've done over a number of years that there is an alien presence on this planet.
	And I've been told that there's not one, but there's two competing alien presence on this planet that are vying for control of the herd, if you will.
	And that's what I've, you know, and that is my own supposition.
	I appreciate that.
	And I have been told that there are multiple races involved as well.
	And, you know, Camelot's been on this trail for quite some time now.
	Well, both of you, thank you so much for basically discussing this and being so open as to do so calmly and with consideration.
	I think it's the kind of discussion we need to have right now.
	Sure, Carrie, with respect.
	Always with respect.
	I need to say that I'm...
	You know, in no way disrespectful of anybody.
	Well, let me go ahead and interject something here to Cliff.
	Cliff, I've been reading your stuff for years.
	I'm a big fan.
	I never, ever thought I'd be able to talk to you on the radio.
	I'm delighted to do so.
	And quite frankly, I'm enjoying the conversation.
	And I feel like I didn't prepare to talk with you about any of these issues.
	And I feel woefully inadequate this evening on this conversation.
	Hey, dude, I'm sorry about that.
	Excuse me, I mean, with all due respect to both of you, I think you should prepare as much for me, Mike, as you do for Cliff.
	But, yeah, I'm not going to take offense too much on that note, but I appreciate what you had to say to Cliff.
	Yeah, thank you very much.
	I do appreciate it.
	And we do have stuff coming that's going to cause problems for us.
	No problem.
	Well, okay, but let me just interject a couple things here for both of you.
	One is that remote viewers can be influenced.
	I really appreciate, you know, I spent a lot of time with Courtney Brown.
	He didn't want to bring this on board.
	He wanted to believe that that simply would not be the case.
	I understand that he has a lot of belief in his viewers.
	I also believe that he's He's protecting them.
	I believe he's protecting himself.
	I believe his information he's not releasing.
	I believe he's also being pressured by the military, either overtly or covertly.
	And so all of this plays into the information that he's released so far.
	Do you have a minute here, though?
	I'm sorry?
	Do you have a minute left?
	We definitely have time.
	OK, let me let me say that I am.
	He was a bald guy and I trust bald guys implicitly, but I don't.
	I verify everything right.
	Because you can get two bald guys together and you get something that looks like a plumber's butt crack or you can get a good idea out of it.
	So I examined his data and I used his people in Hawaii to create an experiment of my own.
	The experiment, the way in which I designed it, provided me both with validity that their view was accurate of the moment, as well as the potential for the future.
	Okay?
	I'm not going to go into the details because it reveals too much to potential enemies.
	But I will tell you that the way in which I designed this experiment, I was designing it to fail.
	I was placing obstacles that they couldn't overcome.
	And they blew my socks off.
	We had a short break here and then we got about 15 minutes or less on the show.
	I do want to address that when we come back.
	Thank you so much for that Cliff.
	That's great.
	really good information.
	Thank you.
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	whistleblower radio and uh we are just zipping in here during the commercials uh just as quickly as we can just to use up every moment uh Cliff, are you still with us?
	Sure, yeah, yeah.
	What I wanted to say was the Courtney Brown experiments had me thinking about the quality of the remote viewing, whether your point, whether they could be influenced, because I was of that opinion as well.
	And also my big obstacle with the whole thing was how did they get their normal ego, you know, humanness out of the way to be a vehicle to accurately bring information back?
	and I have been out of the loop, and I was aware of the history of remote viewing and so forth, but I'd never really studied the methodology before, and so this is my first exposure to it.
	But I designed the experiment in ignorance that turned out to be very accurately positioned to validate both the individual viewers and the Hawaii Remote Viewers Guild, because I was absolutely shocked about the level of material they could bring back from a random number, because that's what they were because I was absolutely shocked about the level of material they could bring back from And I'll tell you enough to let you know why I feel this way.
	I used part of the experiment, I didn't use just them by the way, I used a group out of Belgium as well.
	And this group in Belgium is unique in several respects that I can't go into without betraying who they are, but they're also remote viewers.
	But in any event, we get the same results that Courtney had.
	But in one case, I had myself as a target.
	And I wanted to know what conditions.
	You know, I was greedy.
	I wanted to know, what am I going to live in by June of next year?
	And we got the view that supports an impact in the Southern Hemisphere.
	Because it's not a giant wave rushing up here into the Northwest.
	It is earthquakes.
	It's wind.
	It's weather.
	So violently, by the way, the earthquakes and so on, that the remote viewer almost ended the session on a nausea.
	That's the kind of stuff they were getting.
	Okay, well I appreciate that.
	Let me just say that I have studied remote viewing.
	I've done it myself and been successful at it.
	I've been able to test things like remote viewing the front page of the New York Times or whatever and checking it then the following morning.
	But at any rate, and I've studied it as well as, and I would highly recommend Ingo Swann's website, which is called Biomind Superpowers.
	If you've never been there and never read his history of remote viewing, I highly encourage you to do so.
	But let me say that there is a possibility That their viewers could be influenced.
	I did suggest it offhand.
	I know Courtney doesn't appreciate that.
	It's kind of neither here nor there.
	I believe that we're going to find out, and that's what matters.
	What is interesting is that there are military groups that are using remote viewers on a regular basis, as you can all appreciate, and they are definitely getting information that, of course, is not, at least to my knowledge, being seeded out to the general public.
	So it's a very interesting playing field.
	I'm going to unmute this caller in case, Stu Webb, I've been told we have extra time if you guys want to stay on longer.
	Danny, the owner of the station, American Freedom Radio, would give us some extra time because of the seriousness of this subject matter.
	So it's up to you guys.
	I don't mean to prevail upon you if you're unprepared for this and you don't feel that you can stay longer, but we can allow it for that.
	Is this Stu Webb on the line, area code 816?
	Carrie, I'm sorry, I wasn't wanting to give any opinion of this.
	I've heard your I was told tonight you were having a gentleman on here and going into the subject and talking about this August thing, so I was asked to listen to it.
	That's the reason I'm on.
	You didn't have anything to say to us?
	I will tell you this, that I'm aware of one thing that nobody's brought up tonight.
	On December the 22nd, we got a planetary alignment now.
	According to a top-level source in government, they told me this no more than probably about two years, a year and a half ago, that they weren't able to see, that the government is not able to see through that supercollider in Switzerland.
	And they've had that up and running for quite a while.
	And they're able to see into galaxies now and do it in split seconds of time and so forth that we've never been able to see.
	They're claiming that there's an alignment of the planets in our solar system that has been taking place and started.
	A lot of people say it started here in June.
	It may have started before.
	But they're saying on December 22, 2012, we're supposed to be in a big planetary alignment.
	And we're supposed to be in the form of a big cross, which is very interesting.
	Well, that's not top secret.
	That's not top secret, though.
	That's commonly known.
	Go ahead.
	Now, I mean, it's been known for a while, but it was told to me probably a year and a half, two years ago that they saw this, which is very interesting.
	So where does that bring us?
	As far as time frame on what these gentlemen are talking about and what your subject matter is tonight about this, this August, the time frame and so forth.
	And I mean, there is a lot of, a lot of information out there.
	I've been looking at this Nebrew, looking at the Wyrmwood subject, uh, looking at the Planet X, so forth, Dark Star, they call, uh, Nebrew or whatever it is.
	A lot of interesting stuff out here.
	A lot of people are pointing in the time frame of this October for this planet to be passing by us.
	So, I mean, we've got a lot of things that are going to happen.
	We all know that.
	But, you know, as far as panic, I mean, I really didn't even want to come on here.
	I'm just saying it because you unmuted the mic.
	But as far as panic in this country, we all need to keep our heads on.
	I mean, we all should plan because if this happens, there's going to be some definite tidal waves.
	And there's going to be some stuff coming along these coastal lines around this country.
	And we should look at that.
	Also, we should be aware of, you know, zones.
	In the Midwest, as far as for earthquakes and things like that, I wouldn't advise going to St.
	Louis, Missouri, as an example, if you're thinking about moving from the coast, because then you'd be sitting on that big fault down there.
	So, we do have a lot of problems coming, but I'll leave it at that.
	Well, Stu, are you talking from the point of view of any of your sources giving you information about these times, or are you just generalizing, you know, in general?
	But, you know, these come from sources.
	I've had sources for a number of years, high-level sources, and they've been pretty damned accurate over the years.
	And these are come from not only the scientific, this is, you know, there's some people that have been in Area 51 and people inside the government high up, all different levels, are saying the same thing.
	The end of this year is a turning point for planet Earth.
	What it means Nobody can tell, because they cannot see past that time frame, which they've been able to see in the space-time for quite a while, so...
	Well, this is where the Courtney Brown's remote viewers are seeing into 2013.
	There is an interesting, I do think that there is something of a hurdle between now and sort of around January of 2013, where perhaps there is kind of a block there.
	I know that Stead Dames used to talk about a block his viewers were encountering, his military remote viewers.
	Okay.
	Mike, in terms of your source, you said he was about to leave his job because of the pressure.
	Yes.
	This is completely surrounding the information that he's told you, though, regarding August 17th.
	Is it not?
	I asked him that directly.
	And this is not an old guy.
	He's in his mid-forties.
	He's not nearly as old as the rest of us up here.
	But he's in his mid-forties.
	He's suddenly come down with some severe health issues.
	I just became aware of that from him today.
	And that he is going to take, what he said, the remaining time he has to enjoy what's left of his life because time is so short.
	And that's as direct as I can get him to state it.
	Okay.
	All right.
	We are at a situation where we can decide to go on longer.
	Or not.
	Cliff High, do you want to address any of this going forward?
	Because, you know, you've just released a lot of information to the public.
	It is an opportunity to clarify things or address things.
	If you had questions, I can answer them.
	But, you know, I'm an old guy and I've got to get to bed here because I get up awful early to work on my boat and stuff.
	I'm actively taking steps and preparing for what we have to deal with.
	And Cliff, just as a favor, could you go ahead and just give us a synopsis of what your conclusions are?
	My conclusions are the following, and they're supported in some instances by information from Russian astrophysicists.
	My conclusions are that we don't have a heliocentric model.
	We don't orbit around the middle of the sun, and that makes all the difference.
	We're sort of trailing behind it.
	As a result of this, we can see that there's denser space.
	The denser interstellar media that the Russians talked about a number of years ago has pushed all the planets together.
	The reason it hasn't altered the fixed stars has to do with how our planets are tilted relative to the sun.
	There is no distortion there, but we do see differences in how the planets relate to each other.
	This is causing the brightness in Venus and all of the supposed global warming effects on the inner planets and the outer planets are caused by all the planets being crammed together into the vacuum behind the Sun a little bit closer together.
	And there's more energy coming out of the Sun because the Sun is plowing through a denser media of space.
	And it's very much like a Uh, a match, uh, head having, and it's actually getting its energy from the motion through the interstellar media.
	Friction, if you will, at that level.
	It's not really friction, but it's close enough to make sense.
	And so what's going to happen is the following.
	Uh, we are in a position where we don't know how long we transit this, uh, position of space.
	This position of space may be related to the end of the 13,000 year cycle.
	In other words, we may go through this denser media a couple of times, uh, in our cycle.
	But we're going to have to live through the effects of it, which will include impacts likely in the Southern Hemisphere, which will cause the global coastal event and inland flooding as well from too much rain and so on.
	In the Southern Hemisphere, where do you know?
	Where in the summer?
	That's a pretty big ballpark.
	No, it's three waves.
	It's not a single event, Carrie.
	According to really solid information, there's three instances, and the Russians are preparing for this to go on until 2016.
	Yeah, I understand that.
	OK, now we've got to decide if we're staying on or going off.
	I've got to go off.
	I've really got to get some stuff done.
	All right.
	Thank you so much, Cliff.
	I really appreciate you coming on.
	Mike Harris, how do you feel?
	I'll probably sign off as well.
	I signed up for two hours and I've got to get to bed as well.
	But Carrie, thank you very much.
	And Cliff, really, it's been a pleasure talking to you.
	I'm just delighted to have made your acquaintance.
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