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	There is a Jaguar outside my door Stretched out and purring
	Waiting for more Strange she does stung Deep cat-eyed green No way to escape No one hears my scream Okay, this is...
	Carrie Cassidy, Project Camelot, Whistleblower Radio.
	He's a Jack, he's a Jack, he's a Jack.
	Hi, everyone.
	How are you tonight?
	Hope things are good.
	So we're going to have a very interesting show this evening.
	And well, let me see before I get started with all of that.
	I want to make sure to make whatever announcements I need to.
	First of all, we have a trip to Egypt that is now linked on the front page of the new Project Camelot website, which if you haven't been there and checked it out, I encourage you to do so.
	Hopefully you will find it easier to use and navigate.
	We are still, well, we have a team working behind the scenes to get the video interviews really organized.
	Apparently that wasn't really done before launch in the easiest way because it's extremely complex.
	We just have, well, over 300 hours of videos and so Organizing all that in an easy to find manner is just not simple and it takes a lot of time.
	So that's not quite intact yet but we've got a lot of stuff already available and if you go to conferences and there's a drop down you will see Egypt listed there and if you click on that you should be taken to our Egypt page where it will tell you the itinerary and then we're going to be
	Getting a registration page so that you can also register and the price is now on there.
	It may change depending on whether the itinerary changes, depending on whether there's any last minute things going on.
	But that's pretty much the itinerary we're going to have as far as I know.
	I don't anticipate any changes.
	So I just wanted to let everyone know that's Egypt in 2012, December 21st, 2012.
	Actually the 20th we're going to be in the Great Pyramid and do a meditation there also at the feet of the Sphinx.
	So that should be a lot of fun.
	Let's see what else.
	Well, I am going to be appearing at the Mount Shasta event, and actually I'm not sure if my events are up there yet.
	I don't think they are, but if you click on conferences, you should see listed at least there, I think the Shasta event is listed there on the new site.
	At any rate, it is the Mount Shasta Eclipse with Sean David Morton and a whole group of speakers, which should be a lot of fun.
	So I'll be there speaking, and over the weekend, I think it's May 18th, 19th, and 20th, something like that.
	And then after that, in June, beginning of June, I'll be at ConspiracyCon and also at the SACUFOCon.
	And that's Anthony Sanchez's new event that I'll also be speaking at.
	The next couple months are going to be pretty jam-packed and I'm also speaking at some other conferences coming this fall and I've got somebody on board to try to book a tour.
	Maybe we can go to Europe.
	I'm hoping to go to Europe this summer on tour and also then Australia in the fall and New Zealand.
	So we're working on all of that.
	All right, that's about it for updates.
	So, Jim Nichols is my guest, and if you saw him on my blog, then you know a little bit about his background.
	And, Jim, are you there?
	I think so.
	Hi, Kelly.
	Hi, how are you?
	Good, how are you?
	Well, I'm very good, and it's very nice to talk to you.
	I hope you got my quickie message there at the last minute.
	The web address you have posted for my website is not correct?
	Okay, yeah, actually I got it at the last minute before the show and I have changed it now so if anyone goes to the website they should be able to see it.
	JimNicholsUFO.net, correct?
	Yes, that's what we've got and it is going to your website, which I'm looking at right this minute on my computer.
	So basically, what I'd like you to do here is give yourself an introduction.
	I have a brief bio, a part of your bio that you sent me on my blog today, but perhaps you can kind of start a little more at the beginning and say how you got into this field.
	You're obviously an artist and a filmmaker.
	Well, real quick, I'm a baby boomer from Ohio and I'm not a contactee, abductee.
	sort of entree into this.
	Maybe you consider yourself an experiencer, et cetera, et cetera.
	So why don't you introduce yourself, if you don't mind?
	Well, real quick, I'm a baby boomer from Ohio, and I'm not a contactee, abductee.
	I'm not, I didn't have a high rank in the military.
	I don't have any deep dark military secrets to share.
	I grew up with an absolute love and fascination for the stories about UFOs and the old classic science fiction movies about UFOs.
	I always loved those.
	You just did a show with Mel Fabregas, right?
	Well, actually, I mean, yes, I did.
	You had a chat with him.
	Yeah, but it was like a month, a couple months ago, I think.
	Well, growing up in Ohio, I always heard about Tucson, Arizona, and UFOs.
	There was always a linkage there with the two, thanks to APRO.
	Back in the 50s, APRO published lots and lots of books about UFOs.
	So they were kind of, UFOs, APRO, and Tucson were kind of synonymous.
	And then in 1970, after stint in the Army, I found out that I moved out here.
	And this is one of those strange synchronicities where it's like, golly, I can't wait until I grow up and move to Tucson, right?
	I just threw a strange series of synchronicities, I found myself living out here.
	Okay, so you're kind of making a joke.
	In other words, you didn't expect to end up in Tucson, but you did.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And is there anything special about Tucson?
	Sorry, is there anything special about Tucson or something, you know, because you're kind of bringing that up as a point, right?
	Exactly, that's what I'm working up to.
	It's something magical about Tucson and UFOs, okay?
	I had been here just a few, just very shortly, and found myself involved with some friends here that were very much into metaphysics and UFOs.
	And that friendship kind of developed over the years.
	And through that friendship, I was introduced to Lieutenant Colonel Retired Wendell Stevens in 1980.
	And Wendell Stevens, at that point, had been researching UFOs for 20 years.
	Okay?
	And he had, at that point, the world's largest archive of UFO photographs.
	And also, at that time, he just happened to be Investigating the Billy Meyer contact case in Switzerland.
	Right?
	So... I don't know, I don't know.
	Morning in April of 1980, I got to meet Wendell Stevens for the first time.
	And he was so involved in the Billy Meyer contact, he had all the notes, all the photographs, all the information that he had gained up to that point there in his home.
	And he was just, you know, more than happy to share that information.
	And I was so blown away by that.
	I was so dazzled by that that I thought, this is going to be the case that proves once and for all that UFOs are real and I want to be a part of that.
	So at that time I was an artist illustrator.
	So I started to do serious UFO illustrations.
	Based in part on the Billy Meyer contact, and then other UFO cases that Wendell was investigating.
	So through this strange synchronicity, moving to Arizona, and through a friend of a friend I meet Wendell Stevens, and then suddenly I'm thrust into this world of UFOs, and it's just kind of snowballed from there.
	Okay, now did you, you didn't, I know that you're a friend of Robert Dean.
	Yes.
	And as far as Wendell Stevens, you know, he's passed on, but his library actually was purchased, right, by John Rao of the UFO Congress?
	Am I right?
	Open mind.
	Yes, and so we don't actually know the status on that library anymore.
	Is that right?
	Or have you followed what happened to it?
	As far as I know, it's still owned by Open Minds.
	Since John Rao has taken over the conference, I have not had much contact with Open Minds.
	I'm assuming they still have it.
	Okay, but you don't know if it's like, you know, in other words, if it's what you say it is, then it would be really awesome if somebody would put it online, make it accessible to people, etc.
	etc.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Oh, absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	But as far as you know, that hasn't been done so far.
	Not to my knowledge.
	Okay, now I have a big question.
	I'm sorry to sort of interrupt you here.
	I'm probably going to do this all the way through because, you know, whenever you mention a name, and whenever you mentioned some incident, I might have some background information on that.
	And you know, I have sat around and sort of kicked the dust together, whatever you want to call that.
	And I know that that, for example, Wendell Stevens supposedly died and right before he died, well, I mean, he did die, but he supposedly had maybe some last things to say.
	And I had been asking Bob Dean that as well.
	And I'm going to ask you that since you said you were a friend of his.
	And I'm just wondering, was there anything that happened right before he died that would be something notable?
	The only thing I was aware of, I was not close with Wendell at the time of his death, but Wendell said that he would come back for a few days to kind of check up on his wife and to make sure everything was running smoothly, you know, in the transition.
	And then he had other things to do and then he was going to take off.
	So that's the only, you know, posthumous things that I know.
	About Wendell.
	Bob may know something more than I do, but that's the limit of what I understand.
	I see.
	And did you happen to... In other words, you weren't in touch with him then, so you don't know if he made good on that promise.
	I believe he did.
	I believe he did, yes.
	Oh, really?
	I believe they were... It's sketchy.
	It's been a while.
	I believe his wife said that, yes, he did appear to her.
	After the funeral.
	Okay, very interesting.
	All right, and didn't he get, you can correct me if I'm wrong, didn't he get into the business of the whole UFO thing because he flew airplanes for the sort of secret government delivering drugs?
	That's part of the story.
	Wendell was involved with, I think, flying that or weapons to South America.
	Okay.
	Yeah, because it's very interesting how these things kind of materialize.
	So, in your case, you got into it through, in a sense, Wendell.
	And then, once you were involved in it, what happened then?
	Well, then a few years later, I started doing, you know, serious UFO paintings.
	Just for fun.
	And so I was not getting money for this.
	It was just a kind of a hobby thing that I wanted to do, and I felt compelled to do it.
	And it was just a few years later that I had a phone call.
	This gentleman claimed that he, well, I'm a friend of Wendell Stevens, and I understand that you're an artist that does UFOs, and I'd like to meet you.
	I said, oh, sure, whatever.
	So I had, we set up a meeting.
	And lo and behold, this was Bob Dean.
	And I got much closer friends with Bob Dean than I was even with Wendell.
	Bob was kind of, he was like the father I always wanted to have.
	And so we were very, very close.
	In fact, after a while, Bob, when Bob was working on his disclosure initiative, you know, parallel to Stephen Greer's back in the mid-90s, he was publishing a newsletter called Stargate International.
	And I got busy, I kind of got caught up in writing editorials for that.
	So aside from the UFO art, I was starting to write UFO editorials.
	And so the combination of the two, And then in 91, I got involved with Ted Loman.
	Ted was a gentleman who had an idea for a TV talk show here in Tucson about UFOs.
	And he asked me to be his co-host.
	He saw my artwork at a conference here and thought that, well, I must know something about UFOs.
	And he wanted somebody to be a co-host with him who was more knowledgeable about the subject than he was.
	So we put together a show called UFO AZ Talks in July of 1991 and it turned into a weekly live talk show and it ran from 91 to 97 and at 97 I decided I'd had enough and decided to bow out for a while.
	But it's very interesting and I look at Carrie Cassidy and Project Camelot, and it's like you and Bill with Project Camelot just took that same concept that we had with UFOAZ Talks and just expanded it into the incredible venue that you have today.
	So I watched Carrie Cassidy and the progression of Project Camelot, and it's like, well, this is a continuation of what Ted and I were doing.
	Were you interviewing people on your show?
	I said, were you interviewing people on your show?
	Exactly.
	We had the same format.
	We interviewed all kinds of people.
	Travis Walton, David Icke, Bill Hamilton, Wendell Stephens, Bob Dean.
	We interviewed many, many, many of the notables within the field.
	And we used the same format.
	It was like there was no commercials.
	We just gave them the hour, and we let the speaker tell their story.
	Uh-huh.
	And was this on television?
	Yeah, this was on public access television here in Tucson.
	Oh, I see.
	Okay, well, very interesting.
	I guess we're coming on a break here.
	Sure.
	And we'll be right back with Jim Nichols, and we'll continue to find out more about him.
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	Okay, this is Carrie Cassidy, Project Camelot, Whistleblower Radio.
	And we're talking to Jim Nichols.
	And right before the break, we were talking about, I guess, well, I guess, Wendell Stephens.
	And then I'm not sure exactly where you were going right after that.
	I guess we were kind of talking about Bob Dean, but.
	Well, we were talking about the TV show that I did with Ted from 91 to 97.
	Oh, right.
	Oh, right.
	Okay.
	So we were starting to get national exposure.
	And Ted and I would, we would go to Roswell, we went down to Gulf Breeze, we were interviewing people all over the place.
	And I think it was that experience that really gave me a sense of how broad-based this whole UFO phenomenon really was.
	And it was an experience that kind of gave me a totally different perspective on, you know, what was really going on.
	And so it's really colored, you know, where I've gone since then.
	And that, and of course, the experience with Bob Dean, knowing him and everything.
	But my point is that coming to Tucson, it's like this, I never would have dreamed that my life would have taken this path.
	But when I came here, it's like this was a destiny thing that was supposed to happen here.
	And I hear your discussions with Mel Fabregas and how he's come here to Tucson and how he's developed this incredible Veritas Radio Show.
	And I said, well, what is it about the magic of Tucson that makes us do this stuff when we get here?
	I don't know.
	Okay, well, that's very interesting.
	Oh gosh, somebody in the background there.
	But what I wanted to know is, since then, what have you done?
	Were you ever contacted?
	Sounds like you weren't.
	I'm not sure.
	But you also, you know, you continue to do art, you know, your work, artwork.
	Isn't that right?
	Well, I did the artwork.
	I've continued to do that.
	Ted was more content to do the weekly talk show thing, but I was more into... You can't cover a topic in an hour talk show in the depth that it really deserves, and I was always frustrated with that.
	So I wanted to get... I didn't want to do a broad topic.
	There were just certain areas within the UFO field that I wanted to concentrate on.
	Just for my own curiosity.
	So I started out with, like, the Billy Meyer thing.
	You know, I get more in-depth in studying that.
	And then that just blossomed into other avenues.
	I did research into the German saucer thing, and I produced a video about that back in 2010, which was shown at the Congress in Laughlin.
	And lo and behold, I won two EB Awards for that.
	And so I thought, oh, well, wow, it's like I can create these video essays that people tend to be appealing to people.
	So it's like I started taking the concept, combining art, journalism, and video, the three experiences I had gained through my UFO research background, and combine them all to create A series of, I have 14 of them now, of video essays that you can watch on UFO TV Presents on YouTube.
	And that has been to me probably the most challenging and yet the most satisfying creative experience that I've gained from all this UFO research.
	Okay, but what would you say, would you classify yourself as a researcher?
	Is that where you, you know, your angle that you come at this from?
	Well, it started out that way.
	I would do paintings of specific UFO cases that Wendell was researching, but after a while it started to dawn on me that no matter what case you investigated, The case would always get debunked.
	And at the end of the day, it would be, oh, this was a hoax.
	This was swamp gas.
	This was models.
	There was never any definitive answer to the UFO question.
	And that, to me, it became like, well, somebody, somewhere, something is interfering with this.
	Somebody has an agenda somewhere.
	That blocks us ever getting to the truth of this issue.
	And after a while, that disinformation campaign, that blockage of trying to get to the truth became more of an interesting phenomenon to me than any flying saucer could ever hope.
	Why is our government, why is our society, why is it so difficult to get to the truth of the whole UFO issue?
	Here in this country, and that has been my primary avenue of research over the last 10-15 years.
	It's like, what is the reason for the cover-up?
	And that in and of itself is taking me down a rabbit hole I never dreamed of going to, and you well know.
	There are agendas out there that definitely don't want this information out.
	Or if the information does come out, they want it in such a way that it benefits the powers that be.
	Okay, now you know what I do.
	What we're interested in is basically information that's not commonplace.
	And so what I'd like to know is, have you been approached by anybody who has special access, special information?
	Have you been given any, you know, because Tucson's a place where a lot of military, ex-military, it's not, you know, impossible that you might have run into some people.
	Have you been given special information, do you think?
	No, I have not.
	The only person I could really say that's at that level would be Bob Dean.
	Bob Dean is always very open and very easy to talk to.
	Bob is more of an inspiration for me to just dig more and more into the reasons behind the cover-up.
	But I have not talked to any specific whistleblowers and said, hey, well, I've got a story to tell you.
	I listen to Project Camelot assiduously, and to get a broad sense of what's really going on, it's like Richard Hoagland says, the lie is different at every level.
	I think the truth is different at every level, but the truth is specific to that particular level Within the military-industrial complex.
	And that's what I hear from your whistleblowers.
	That the people that you talk to are telling you the truth in as much as they know it.
	That within the confines of their own little compartment, that is the truth.
	But is it the big truth?
	Is the truth at this level the same truth at level 10 steps above that?
	So I'm trying to listen to all these different whistleblowers and try to assimilate some kind of overall pattern or picture of what is really going on here.
	Thank you.
	Sure, and at this time there's also been, I don't know if you even can talk about this, but I understand that Bob sort of gave you a sword, is that right?
	Okay, and are you at liberty to talk about why he did that and what that was all about?
	Well, Bob and I both share an abiding interest in spirituality and in world history, and I think we both relate very much to Arthurian legend kind of things.
	Bob kind of initiated me into a concept of spiritual Templarism, for lack of a better word.
	And so this is a common interest that we've always shared, and Bob and I always felt like we were old Templar Knights together from a way, way long time ago.
	And this has always been kind of a special friendship bond that the two of us have always had.
	And, uh, it was in January.
	We know Bob had meningitis in January, around the first of the year, and was very close to death.
	In fact, they didn't expect him to recover.
	And Bob had an old sword in his collection, and, um, He wanted me to have it.
	He wanted me to have it.
	So, earlier this year, we had a presentation here, and where Bob gave me the sword.
	And it was kind of like the passing of, from one generation to the next, of the knight's sword goes to the next generation, and that's kind of a That's kind of a special kind of Templar ceremony kind of thing.
	It wasn't a formal ceremony, but it was just a very beautiful gesture on Bob's part.
	I understand.
	Okay, so in terms of your work, your drawings, for example, your paintings, how did you get into that?
	Well, I wanted to be an illustrator back when I was in my Senior year of high school I decided that I wanted to be an illustrator.
	And so I took, I went to college for two and a half years, I took some art courses there and then I got drafted.
	And when I was in the draft, when I was in the army, I completed a correspondence course in art training.
	And then when I came back to Arizona, the landscape here is so Incredibly beautiful and is so alien from what I had been used to growing up in Ohio.
	I started doing Southwestern landscape paintings and did that for about 10 years and earned something of a reputation doing that.
	I didn't get super rich doing it, but I developed my artistic skills and But then when Star Wars came out and Close Encounters came out, I decided I want to do more science fiction kind of things.
	So I did.
	I started doing scenes with spaceships and UFOs and so forth in it.
	And for a time they were displayed at the Flandreau Planetarium here in Tucson.
	And thanks to that I got a commission to do an illustration for Dr. William K. Hartman.
	Astronomer here for one of his textbooks and it just happened to have UFOs in it.
	So that's that was my you know background in art but then of course I met Wendell Stevens and it took off in a whole different direction.
	Right okay well did you ever feel that you were getting downloads when when you've done your art in respect to the UFO sort of sector?
	Okay, well let me tell you a little story.
	When I did my original painting for Wendell Stevens of the Billy Meyer case, it was a painting of the Pleiadian beam ship on the ground with Billy Meyer in the foreground and Samyasi, the female Pleiadian cosmonaut, standing in front of the craft.
	Okay?
	And I was, in fact, we had taken snapshots of it And Wendell had taken those to Billy, and Billy sketched corrections in it.
	So he brought the snapshot back, gave it to me, and then I corrected the painting to be as authentic to what Billy was describing as possible.
	Okay?
	That's very interesting.
	Yeah, go right ahead.
	Are we getting close to a break?
	No, no.
	No, you're fine.
	Let me just finish this.
	That, right after I did that painting, that night, I had a dream.
	I had a dream, and I didn't see any faces or any figures or anything, but in the dream, I just knew that the Pleiadians were thanking me for having done that picture.
	They were thanking me.
	And I was just, I felt just so honored and so thrilled that they were telling me this.
	And I was feeling like in awe of them.
	And they chastised me for feeling that way.
	They said, you know, we are no different, and we are no better than you are.
	And then they showed me a book.
	They showed me a book, and there was a line of text in the book that they wanted me to remember.
	And I would read the line over and over, and I said, yeah, I got it, I got it, I remember it.
	And they said, no, you are not remembering it.
	You have to remember this.
	So I'd read it again, and I'd say, I got it, I got it.
	No, they said, you are not remembering this.
	And so suddenly they took the words at a diagonal across the page, and it just jumped out at me.
	And the words were, that which you want, you are.
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	Music by Ben Thede This is Gary Cassidy, Project Camelot Whistleblower Radio, and we are live talking to Jim Nichols.
	Jim, are you still there?
	Yes.
	Okay, great.
	You were just talking about your painting that you did of the Pleiadians, and I think that that's a pretty famous painting at this point in ufology, wouldn't you say?
	That's one of them, yeah.
	Yeah.
	And it is on your website, so for people that would like to, please do go visit Jim Nichols' website, which is jimnicholsufo.net, and the link is on the front page of Camelot now.
	And if you do go there, then you click on number 5, which is the Pleiadian Investigation, and there you will see the painting that we're referring to.
	There's also another blog there, Carrie, called The Message.
	And that's a little bit more in depth and more the esoteric aspects of what the Pleiadians had to share.
	Okay, fine.
	So at this point, do you want to talk more about your experience with the Pleiadians?
	Did you feel, because you don't call yourself an experiencer or a contactee, and yet you seem to have had some contact.
	Yeah.
	I guess you could call it that.
	It was more of a confirmation.
	It was a confirmation that they appreciated what I was doing.
	And I had another experience then after that.
	One of the things that Wendell showed me when I first met him was a drawing of the Pleiadian mothership.
	Okay?
	And there was this huge sphere thing that was orbiting our planet at the time.
	And all it was was a simple line drawing.
	It was not a photograph or anything.
	Just a simple schematic.
	So, a few... not long after that, I have a friend here in town who was kind of psychic, in kind of a way he could kind of do... he wasn't trained for it, but he could kind of do, on his own, remote viewing.
	So we were at the dinner table having cookies and coffee, and I thought, just for fun, I asked him if he could do some psychic stuff for me.
	He said, sure.
	So we got real quiet, and I just did a simple line drawing of the Pleiadian mothership as I had seen it on a piece of paper, and I didn't tell him anything about it at all.
	I just did this simple line drawing,
	on the paper and handed it to my friend and uh... he said okay so he took a couple deep breaths and got quiet and closed his eyes and uh... was real quiet and all of a sudden he took this deep breath he says oh my god he says it's huge it's huge and he was he had actually remote viewed himself
	To standing on the ledge of the window of the Pleiadian mothership.
	And the mothership happened to be ten miles in diameter.
	And he was there.
	He was on it.
	Well, I about fell out of my chair because this is like confirmation to me that, okay, this isn't just wacko UFO conjecture.
	Wendell's really on to something here.
	And my friend went all through the mothership.
	He went to the different levels.
	He saw a zoological collection.
	He saw, like, an arboretum.
	He saw the hangar deck.
	He saw that people working on different decks within the ship wore different colored uniforms corresponding to the deck that they worked on, and so forth.
	And this correlated very, very closely to what Billy had described to Wendell.
	So this is another independent confirmation to me that yeah, there's something serious going on here.
	And that for whatever reason, I was supposed to be a part of it.
	Okay, well yes, absolutely.
	Did you ever meet Billy Meyer?
	No, and that's one of the things I wanted desperately to go to Switzerland.
	I wanted to meet Billy Meyer.
	I desperately wanted to meet the Pleiadians themselves.
	And so that's when I got that message that what you want, you are, was kind of like, well, are they saying that I really don't need to meet the Pleiadians?
	Because essentially we're all one anyway.
	So that's what I got out of that.
	Okay.
	Well, it is very interesting.
	So have you had any I guess other confirmations or, you know, I assume you're aware of all the controversy that's gone on around Billy Meyer and all of that, right?
	And how do you feel about that?
	Well, I don't know if you've talked to Mal Fabergus about the presentation we had with Jim DeLaTosso here in Tucson the first of the year.
	You know, Jim DeLaTosso was one of the few remaining of the original investigative team That's still around, but we'll still talk about it.
	And Jim DeLaPosta gave a very, very enlightening, a very revealing presentation about the Billy Meyer case and his involvement with it.
	And, um, I have always felt, despite all the controversy, that somewhere inside of all this raging confusion, There really is a true story that something really did happen over there.
	But I don't think we'll ever know for sure what it is at this point because it's been so thoroughly buried with counterclaims and confusion.
	And I know you've been there.
	You've been to the compound there.
	Did you feel anything special when you were there?
	Well, yes, absolutely.
	I had a photograph taken which was very unusual.
	I don't know, sometimes I've talked about it and sometimes I haven't.
	And so I don't know if you've ever heard the story, but it was that, you know, there's a shield and sort of a stone on the property and it's called, you know, it says the Silver Star.
	Something.
	And it is supposedly about the Pleiadians and it's their shield.
	And it's quite large.
	And Bill and I took turns having our photographs taken in front of the shield, or next to the shield.
	And my photograph turned silver.
	And never before or since have I gotten a camera to do that.
	Right, right.
	And it just never happened with that camera, as I said before, since.
	And it seemed to us to be a sort of a message.
	You know, so that was kind of cool.
	But other than that, we didn't get to meet Billy.
	He wouldn't come out and meet us that day.
	And they did take us into this little kind of museum thing and showed us around and show us a book of photographs.
	And It is quite a fascinating case.
	Personally, I think it's true.
	I think, you know, Billy Meyer has had contact.
	I don't always agree with his interpretation of that contact, and I think that's where maybe sometimes people get confused or taken off track, etc., etc.
	But I believe that there definitely was contact there, and I don't believe he was a hoaxer by any stretch.
	So, what more can I say about that?
	You know, what I'd like to do with you is actually go into this Aldebaran mystery, or however you say that.
	Aldebaran?
	Aldebaran.
	Yeah, Aldebaran.
	How does it say?
	Alde... Aldebaran.
	Aldebaran.
	Okay, so the emphasis on the D.E.
	Interesting.
	Anyway, as you said, you made a video documentary about Nazi saucers, and it won some awards.
	Could you talk about that?
	Could you talk about how you got into that, and why you centered on that particular story, and what, if anything, you discovered?
	Well, the whole idea of Nazi saucers, I thought, when I first heard about it, I thought it was just utterly preposterous.
	I thought, this is the most bizarro, tabloid nonsense I've ever come across.
	Linking Adolf Hitler and his gang with flying saucers, this is crazy!
	But Wendell published a book called UFO Crash at Aztec.
	And within that book, Wendell had a brief chapter about German saucer development during World War II, and he had schematics of some of the designs.
	And I get so fascinated by that, I thought, you mean to tell me That the Germans were actually developing circular flying machines?
	So, one thing led to another and I got so into that that I just, I have to take one of those schematics and do a painting of it.
	And to recreate it like it's, if there's a real Nazi flying saucer over some kind of strange hidden base, you know, in Austria, Germany, somewhere.
	So that was probably, with the Pleiadian painting, that is probably my second most famous painting in the world.
	It's a German saucer with the Nazi officer standing in the tarmac in front of it.
	One thing leads to another.
	Let me interrupt you here.
	Can you please, if it's on your website, can you send people to the link?
	That isn't up yet.
	I haven't looked at it, but it will be up.
	Just look for the Aldebaran Mystery, or you can go to UFO TV YouTube presents, or UFO TV presents YouTube, and go to the Aldebaran Mystery Video.
	Okay, we'll be right back after this break.
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	Okay, this is Carrie Cassidy, Project Camelot, Whistleblower Radio, and we are talking to Jim Nichols.
	Jim, are you still there?
	I sure am.
	Okay, very good.
	We were just talking about Billy Meyer right before the break, and I had asked you also about the Aldebaran video that you had won some awards for, and you were just going to start to go into that, I guess, and talking about how you'd gotten involved in all of that.
	Well, actually, it tells the story of the German Saucer development project.
	And when you really get into it, there's nothing outlandish at all about it.
	It's very common sense practical.
	The German Reich was very serious about developing alternative energy sources.
	And they were familiar with the ancient Vimanas and stories of flying machines from ancient India that have survived down to the ages.
	And there was a group within Germany called the Real Society, and they were oriental scholars and psychics.
	And their job was to try to discover the sources of these exotic, esoteric energies.
	And if the German Reich could discover these, could capitalize on these, they could liberate themselves from the codependence on petroleum.
	As we all know.
	Well, anyway, that's the story that a psychic group of ladies connected with the real society in pre-World War II Germany allegedly made contact with an extraterrestrial group within the Aldebaran star system.
	And the Taurus, the star Taurus, is the brightest star in the Aldebaran star system.
	And there's allegedly a planet orbiting Taurus that has a civilization.
	And the ladies of the Vril claim to make contact with those beings.
	And those beings channel to these ladies designs for how to make a time machine slash levitating flying machine, which is the same thing.
	It was a technology that would give them Mastery over time and space and gravity.
	And allegedly, that's exactly what they did.
	That they took the plans and we had some engineers start to work with them.
	And by the late 20s, early 30s, they had actually developed flying prototypes.
	And they weren't really flying.
	They didn't fly in the traditional sense.
	They levitated.
	These machines had their own discrete gravitational fields.
	So they were independent of Earth's gravity.
	And it's very interesting that Dr. Hermann Oberth, who was one of the famous German rocket scientists, publicly stated that they could not take claim for their success in aerospace development on their publicly stated that they could not take claim for their success He said that we had helped.
	and when they asked him, "Well, who helped you?" He said the beings from other worlds.
	So, apparently there was some kind of contact with extraterrestrials who were providing the Third Reich, or groups within the Third Reich, these kinds of technologies.
	Okay.
	And well, yes.
	And this is quite well known at this point, I think, at least with our audience.
	But you do describe it very well.
	And for those people out there who have never heard the story, I think that that's going to be very helpful to them to begin to investigate it further.
	Now, you made this documentary, so you must have been motivated to sort of share the story, but what was your intention on doing the documentary?
	Actually, it was kind of an experimental thing.
	I wanted to connect with other professionals out there In the field who actually were doing documentaries.
	This is just a little thing I tinkered together on my computer.
	I don't have a film studio or anything like that, but it's kind of like a demo tape to show people the kind of story content or the themes that I could provide to a serious documentary producer.
	As I never intended to do, I never ever intended that these be, you know, commercially available on their own.
	These are just like little demos that I wanted to show to other producers.
	But then, this was so well received, I was just, you know, flabbergasted.
	And so, you know, I've approached other topics.
	You know, the German saucer thing was one of my favorite UFO myths.
	But the stories were always kind of fragmented, so I wanted to bring them all together in a one-stop shop venue documentary to kind of show the whole story.
	And then I followed that up with the Eisenhower UFO contact in the 1950s.
	That was another story that's fragmented.
	It's in multiple little parts of it, or in multiple UFO research documentation.
	But nobody has ever put it all together in a single package.
	I said, my God, the Eisenhower contact, if that really happened, that's more important than the Roswell crash.
	Why hasn't somebody written a book all about, you know, the Dwight Eisenhower contact at Edwards Air Force Base in 1954?
	This is an astounding story, but nobody's ever done it.
	So I took all these fragmented stories and put them all into a single coherent video, which is a briefing paper.
	If you go to my video called Briefing Paper, it's another one of these UFO myths that I've put together in kind of a documentary venue.
	Well, yes.
	And so that's, you know, a great service, really, to humanity, for someone to do that.
	And, you know, I have to say that the fact that it's won a couple of awards, I guess, would say that you're pretty good at this, right?
	Well, everybody liked it.
	I can't... I've got... My videos have garnered over a million views in less than a year, so I must be doing something right.
	So that's wonderful.
	And so I encourage everyone to watch his videos and we'll see if we can link to some of them from time to time when possible on my site as well.
	And if there's a way, you know, there's a way on YouTube for me to do a favorite.
	So if you send me the links or something, I think I can favorite your videos and that way bring even more people to them.
	If you go there on my blog page, if you look at UFO TV Presents, there's a complete list of all my videos right there.
	Okay, very good.
	And then, what I want to do with the rest of the hour, though, is actually let people call in and ask you questions.
	So we have a call-in number that's 218-339-8525, and I'll repeat that.
	It's 218-339-8525, and call in and ask Jim Nichols anything you might like to ask him.
	Would you say that you became anything of an expert in regard to the Nazi flying saucer stories, you know, in the process of making that video?
	Well, yeah, in a certain sense, Just because I wanted to get that comprehensive story.
	So it's like I've really kind of dug into it more than just cursory passing.
	And then it's one of those stories that's just amazing.
	It's like when I first heard this, I thought, this is so bizarre.
	This will never land.
	This is just somebody's cooked something weird up, and I paid no attention to it.
	But it's just the opposite.
	Over the years, this story has gotten more and more and more attention, and more and more and more little facts seem to come out to verify it.
	You know that there's this new movie that just came out called Iron Sky.
	It hasn't been released in the United States yet, but it's a comedy drama, science fiction drama, About the Germans have gone to the base, created a base on the moon in 1945, and now they're fully armed and prepared to come back and take over the Earth with all their flying saucers.
	Oh yes, I actually remember seeing that.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Which it looked like, you know, kind of actually a bit of fun.
	Yeah.
	I haven't seen it, but I did see something on the web about it.
	So, in terms of where you think the story has gone, do you think that there are any sort of tidbits of information that you don't think are commonly known that you want to share with the listeners in this regard that you might have come across?
	Well, I have to say, I must tell you, you in Dutch sense inspired me to do another video late last year and it's called Nibiru Addendum.
	I was so impressed by what was going on last summer with the earthquakes and the thing in Japan and the whole scandal that hit with Dutch Sense after he discovered the seismic outgassing in California.
	That really sent up a red flag to me.
	So I went and started doing some more research about government programs to of weather control and seismic control.
	And that is a whole can of worms all in itself.
	So if you want to get into that, watch my video called Nibiru Addendum, which kind of recaps the craziness that we went through last year.
	Well, awesome.
	Why don't you tell us a little bit about that video, though?
	Well, we saw the terrible, the hideous Earthquake in Japan in March, and then we saw the hideous tornadoes here, and it's like, well, and everybody was talking about common element, and we said, well, is the world really, we're coming up on 2012, is the world coming to an end like they said it was?
	And, but then I want to, I heard your interview with Dutch Sense, and the research that Dutch Sense was doing about The harp rings, and so forth.
	It made me ask the question, are these natural events, or is something sinister being deliberately engineered here, being masked as natural events?
	So I went back and did a little homework, and back during the Carter administration, Big New Brzezinski was Carter's National Security Advisor.
	Well, Mr. Brzezinski published a book back in the good old days, under the Carter administration, called Between Two Ages, in which he advocated the development of tectonic weapons, and weapons that could create, and climate control weapons, where you could create an earthquake, or you could create a flood, you could create a famine, you could do all these wicked things,
	to your enemies and blame it on God.
	It would appear to be an act of God.
	And one of the things he said is that warfare, open warfare, is dodgy.
	It's dicey.
	It might not always go the way you want it to go.
	And secondly, there's always the negative downside, the negative feedback or blowback that you get from a war, politically.
	But if Japan sank into the ocean one day, and you could just say, oh, it was an act of God.
	Isn't that too bad?
	When, in fact, you had created that with scalar weapons.
	So it's like, where is the world going?
	Where is our technology going?
	What in the hell is the powers that be?
	What are they trying to do here?
	Are they turning the planet itself into a weapon of mass destruction?
	So those are the questions that I raised in that video.
	Okay, well, yes, absolutely.
	And I don't know if you heard my interview with Jim Stone.
	No.
	Did you?
	Okay, that would interest you.
	You know, he's the NSA whistleblower who has, you know, is no longer working for the NSA, but he has been basically blowing the whistle on Fukushima and what's really gone on there.
	And he's also talked about what this Stuxnet virus and how it is, what we're really talking about now is what's called nuclear blackmail.
	And that's a worldwide phenomenon.
	It's a problem for various countries, depending on which side you're on.
	And I wonder if you were aware of that, and whether or not you've sort of delved into that at all.
	Not that specifically, but I have listened to your presentation with Richard Dolan about the breakaway civilization, and I think this is the bottom line here.
	That essentially, It's a big Monopoly game, and the ruling elite has won the Monopoly game.
	So, okay, we're the winners now.
	What do we do with the six billion losers?
	That's the dilemma.
	Well, do we redistribute the wealth and put all the pieces back in the box and then start the game all over again from scratch?
	Or do we just simply get rid of the losers?
	That seems to be the dilemma now.
	The ruling elite has created this breakaway civilization where they don't need us anymore.
	And more and more, listening to your whistleblowers, listening to Richard Dolan, it's like, these people, the ruling elite already live in a Star Trek reality.
	They live in a quantum physics reality.
	And the rest of us are still clunking around here in classical physics, which is a facade anyway.
	Oh, do we stop and go back and teach six billion people the fundamentals of quantum physics?
	Where do we go from here?
	We've created a breakaway civilization that is developing technologies that are growing exponentially, and I would bet that they're probably a thousand years ahead of the rest of us.
	And the technologies are growing exponentially.
	They're going so far ahead of us, so fast, that the six billion leftovers here could never hope to catch up.
	How do we resolve this?
	Obviously, I agree with that, and Camelot talks about that all the time, but what I would wonder is, as a friend of Bob Dean, I guess you've seen probably all my videos and interviews with him, and some of them you've actually been in the room, isn't that right?
	And you know that I've tried to get Bob Dean to tell us what he hasn't told us yet.
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	The truth has just gotten hotter.
	There must be some kind of way out of here.
	Say they'll jump into the beat.
	Okay.
	That's too much fun to try.
	This is Carrie Cassidy, Project Camelot, Whistleblower Radio, and we are talking to Jim Nichols.
	Jim, just before the break, we were talking about your friendship with Robert O'Dean, and I was about to ask you sort of a cliffhanging question, which is, as you might have guessed, has he ever told you anything that he hasn't told me that you can talk about?
	Oh, you're going to try to pry that secret out of me this time, eh?
	Well, let's see.
	He mentions some things there at the Congress when we were all there in February that were a surprise to me.
	What was it he told me?
	I'm trying to think.
	He claims that he has his own ET contact or source that convinces him or assures him That you know, things are really going to be okay here.
	And of course, coming from Bob, that makes you feel kind of good.
	Right.
	But I still see the chemtrails up there, Carrie, and I'd like to... I hear all these wonderful things from Bob and Benjamin Fulford and David Wilcock, and it really sounds great, but I still see the chemtrails.
	Mr. Obama is still in the White House, and I don't see anything substantial, you know, to change what's going on here.
	Right, and every day we hear more craziness, actually, and meanwhile our globe is becoming more and more polluted by radiation.
	Okay, so what I'm going to do is take some of these calls.
	We actually got three callers back to back up here waiting to call in, so let's see what we can do with this, if you don't mind.
	Okay, so, uh, hi, you're on the air?
	Yes, hello?
	Hello, you're on the air with Jim Nichols and Carrie Cassidy.
	Yeah, hi, Carrie.
	Hi, Jim.
	I love your show, Carrie.
	I've been following you for a year.
	Nice to hear from you, Jim, what you do.
	I just heard you 10 minutes ago talk about the work of Dutch Cents and so on and so forth.
	I've worked with the same hypotheses that, you know, basically a lot of natural phenomena are not Earth-made, but are Cabal-made, so to speak.
	But recently I've really had a change of heart, and I've been thinking maybe in most cases it is a reverse hypothesis, because And by the way, I'm a scientist.
	I used to be in academia.
	I've known about the Illuminati since the late 70s, so I'm not a naive person.
	But there's a lot of people on blogs who say, you know, earthquakes that appeared at a 5.2 basically got downgraded to a 4.8 or 4.6, and it happens again and again.
	And it's almost as if the Kabbalah wants us to believe that they are creating what's happening.
	And my reverse hypothesis, and I'd like to know both of you what you think, is that basically, for many of those events, huge events that are happening that will happen even more, they are really Earth-made, they are really, between quotes, divine, and basically, the Kabbalah doesn't want us to wake up to that reality.
	They want us to keep feelings completely separate from the divine, and just in fear.
	So I'd like to have your take on that.
	You're saying that these earthquakes are natural or not natural?
	I'm suggesting that most of these earthquakes are completely natural.
	Okay.
	Actually, I'm very, very psychic and my connection, I'm a bit like George Kabbalist, and my connection with Mother Earth tells me that she's actually holding on very, very, very intensely right now, not to almost explode.
	And she's being extremely gentle.
	There are 53, for example, volcanoes erupting right now.
	Nobody's being killed.
	But you see, my gist is that these phenomena are truly natural, truly Earth-made, truly divine from the soul of the Earth.
	All those prophecies are coming to term, but the Cabal tried to wrap that into, oh, we are doing it, and putting all sorts of false information out there that it's technology.
	Well, it is not.
	What do you think?
	Let me just ask you this, do you feel that the earthquake, the Sendai earthquake, was natural?
	That one I do not know, but I know, well let's put it this way, it's a bit complex, that it was going to happen, but they put something on it because they can predict it, they have machinery that can predict it, and they put something on it to appear as if it was made by them.
	Nuclear.
	Okay, okay.
	So, they tried to cover everything.
	You know, the Dark Cabal usurps everything.
	Usurps all the symbols of the world that were divine, have been usurped by the Dark Cabal and so on and so forth for millennia.
	And I'm really thinking that right now the same phenomenon is happening.
	Well, Carrie, did you have something you wanted to add?
	Well, no, I mean, she was asking you primarily, I believe, at the beginning, so I don't think you actually answered her.
	What do you think?
	Specific instances, I can't, I don't have proof that specific instances that, yeah, this was definitely created by the Kabbalah, or this one is definitely natural.
	I can't give you specifics on that, and especially Here we are, we're in 2012, and it's like, according to the, you know, the Mayan calendar and predictions and so forth, like, anything goes right now.
	But I do know this, that there are, there were specific plans, there are specific programs developed by the United States Defense Department.
	And not just the United States, but the Chinese and the Russians are into this too.
	They do have specific scientific programs to create these kinds of events.
	So now it's anybody's guess, unless you specifically know, have specific information about any particular Earth event, it's anybody's guess as to what's really going on here.
	But in reference to Dutch Scents, he does have correlations with harp rings and weather events.
	And like the mass bird deaths, birds are falling out of the sky.
	There seems to be a correlation between that and scalar weapons.
	So it's like, it's all of the above.
	So, you know, take your pick as to what's what for right now.
	Okay, and Collar, from my point of view, there are a lot of weather, in fact, there are weather wars going on, and I think there's substantial evidence that the powers that be are actually causing things, and I have so much evidence that they caused Fukushima, and certainly the Indonesian
	Earthquake as well and tsunami and and so I understand where you're coming from but I have to say that psychic information is not always completely accurate it can be you can be messed with just as easily as as anyone else who's getting information and so you know I think we need to take everything with a grain of salt but we have documented profusely on Camelot the fact that the powers that be have an agenda
	That does involve what they call Armageddon.
	It does involve lots of earth changes that if they don't happen naturally they are going to make them happen.
	So take your pick.
	Sometimes, you know, Dutch Sense is doing a great job.
	Of alerted people to when the fracking, for example, is involved and escalating things in that way.
	There's other evidence.
	Certainly there is a natural volcanism.
	There's a natural component to the Earth, to the Earth waking up and going through all kinds of changes herself, as you say.
	And so it is a mixed bag, but there's no doubt that this is feeding into an agenda that has to do with elimination of population and so on.
	Um, but thank you very much for your call, and it was a good question.
	Yes, thank you.
	Thanks for calling, and thanks for sharing.
	Sorry, bye.
	Okay, bye-bye.
	Okay, we're going to go to the next caller, and, uh, let's see, we've got area code 480.
	You're on the air with... Hello?
	...Carrie Cassidy.
	Hi.
	Uh, hi.
	Can you hear us?
	Um, yeah, I think I can.
	Okay, great.
	I'm just curious, with your involvement in the artistic world, have you also given much attention to the crop circle phenomenon?
	Not artistically.
	I did get to visit a crop circle when I was in England in 1994, which was an extraordinary experience.
	But no, I have not done artwork specifically about that.
	I see.
	And have you ever In, in terms of, uh, in meditation scene or, or, or been aware of, uh, I guess I'd call it wedge-shaped UFOs, uh, three-dimensional parallelograms.
	Have you ever seen that type of UFO?
	Um... Like a wedge?
	A wedge?
	Are you referring to like the triangle UFOs?
	Um...
	Like a three-dimensional parallelogram with four sides.
	No, I'm not familiar with that, no.
	Okay.
	Alright, that's all I want to know.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, thanks.
	Yeah, he's there.
	He's still there, Kerry.
	Hello?
	Hi, thank you very much.
	Sorry about that.
	I didn't realize I muted myself, so there was no feedback.
	We have a caller from area code 925.
	You're on the air with Jim Nichols and Kerry Cassidy.
	Hi, Jim.
	Hi, Kerry.
	Hi.
	It's clear that there's an agenda that the ruling elite are weaving to disempower the individual on a personal and collective level.
	My question really is, Specifically about mind control and, you know, you just said earlier that it's hard and confusing to distinguish what is heart, what is natural earth, changes and phenomenon.
	I'd like to know how we can reclaim our self-sovereignty, which is our mind, our clarity of thinking, attuning to the consciousness of the planet, which I personally feel is More powerful and more enduring than the ruling elite?
	Well, that's a good question.
	Actually, Karen, I think we should have David Wilcock on to answer that one, because I think David would tell you that the real key to all of this is to open up your third eye, which is your pineal gland.
	And each and every human has this within their own brain structure.
	That if we could, and we live in a culture, in a civilization that through diet, through pollution, through whatever, it causes our third eye to shut down.
	Now if we could activate our pineal glands, our third eye, we would have direct uplink to source.
	And we wouldn't need whistleblowers, we wouldn't need cabal, we wouldn't need any of that.
	We would be directly connected to all that is.
	And we could have access to instant access to all information throughout the entire universe.
	And this would solve everything in a twinkling.
	But yes, we do have the capacity within our own minds to access the Source.
	And I would like to see more emphasis more techniques to help us develop that quality.
	So we could rise above the negativity that keeps us all strangled here.
	Well, I just want to interject that there is, you know, that the third eye and the pineal gland are all part of the chakra system.
	Right.
	And that kundalini activation and, you know, really getting your light body activated is what it's really all about.
	So it's much more sort of far-reaching than concentrating on simply the third eye.
	you know they're overemphasizing one particular chakra over all the others is not necessarily advisable in fact it is not advisable so what I would say is is what you need to do is is meditate every day and work on connecting your chakras through meditation and getting a through line and that will indeed open up connection with your higher self and in essence the create creator
	And I believe that everyone has that ability and has that connection already.
	Now it does get dumbed down through as has been said diet etc etc especially and also aging the things that do age you in on this planet but It is possible to reopen all of that, and so I encourage people to do that.
	Collar, does that answer or address what you were discussing?
	It does.
	Could I just add a quick comment?
	Sure.
	We start using this line of energy that is linked with our pineal gland could power what we term a UFO craft rather than free energy slash gravitational fields in terms of the electrical universe model that our thought is really what sparks energy and movement through time-space.
	Yes, absolutely.
	In fact, well, it is actually the kundalini energy, not just the third eye again, but an activated light body that can connect with a craft and indeed steer it and also power it.
	That connection using, well, from what I understand, the light body, kundalini energy and crystals.
	In fact, that's what powered the Montauk chair.
	It's been used for various means.
	We are going to a break and we'll be right back and we'll take the other callers at that time.
	Thank you very much caller.
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	One bird in a golden cage
	On a winter's day In the rain White bird in a golden cage This is Carrie Cassidy, Project Kemla, Whistleblower Radio.
	And we are talking to Jim Nichols, and we are close, getting right down to the wire with the show here, but we do have one caller holding.
	And I wanted to ask you, Jim, if you had anything you wanted to add in between times here, because we can go to the caller, or we can take any more information from you that you might want to add to it.
	Real quick, I'm glad you clarified that thing about the pineal gland and the chakras.
	But the last caller, there is a good point to be made that our spiritual body, or our etheric body, is a toroid field.
	And it's interesting that the anti-gravity propulsion systems create a toroid field.
	And if our body toroid field blends with the toroid field, of anti-gravity craft.
	Is there like a symbiosis that happens there?
	Exactly.
	Okay, well, let's take a caller and hold on one second here.
	We've got area code 808.
	You're on the air with Jim Nichols and Carrie Cassidy.
	Greetings.
	Hi, Carrie.
	This is Tommy Hookwood.
	How are you?
	Oh, I'm very good.
	How are you?
	All right.
	Question, Jim.
	You were into the Billy Myers stuff.
	Did you ever get close to Michael Horn?
	No, I have never met Michael Horn.
	I understand Michael Horn used to be associated with Randy Winters, Randolph Winters, and I knew Randolph Winters rather well.
	But no, I have never met Michael Horn.
	I had an ongoing conversation with him for months.
	He said a lot of things, I agree with some of it, but Billy Myers started mixing fake videos with his real videos, so a lot of his stuff got lost and mixed up.
	Did you know Fred Bell?
	Did I know who?
	Fred Bell?
	Fred Bell?
	I've heard of him, I've not met him.
	Well, the reason why, because these are people, like, Fred Bell was actually on Billy Myers' ships.
	Yeah, Fred Bell, I did meet him.
	I heard him speak at the Conscious Life Expo sometime before he died.
	He was a very good friend of Sean David Morton.
	So if you want to know more about Fred Bell, I encourage you to talk to Sean.
	This is somebody, Tommy, this person has quite a history himself in the UFO field, just FYI, our caller.
	We've corresponded over time.
	The person I would like to meet is Shirley McClain because I know she spent time at the compound with Billy and of course she wrote her incredible book, Out on a Limb.
	I would like to know...
	What kind of things she could share, maybe off camera, about her experience with Billy?
	I can tell you a lot.
	Shirley tried to buy Billy Myers, and he refused it.
	What's that?
	He was trying to buy Billy Myers out, and he refused it.
	I'm not aware of that.
	No, that's an interesting story.
	Billy Myers came to the United States a real short time.
	And he was staying with Fred Bell, and Sean got to meet him and everything, too.
	Uh, there was a lot of... because I was filming UFOs for 15 years, and Sean got a really cool shot when he was in a hotel on the ship.
	Uh-huh.
	I mean, uh, I mean, there's so much controversy on Billy Myers because he did put some fake stuff out there.
	Well, that's the thing.
	I don't know if we'll ever get to the bottom of it.
	We'll never really know what the truth was.
	Well, there's so much coming out now.
	I'm in Hawaii.
	Uh-huh.
	I'm working in plasma ships.
	Plasma ships going into the ocean?
	The Army's been tracking them now for almost six months.
	There's a lot happening.
	They brought 2,400 Army people to Hawaii just last week.
	Wow.
	There's a lot going on.
	I mean, I've been into it all my life.
	I mean, I saw my first ship when I was six.
	Like you said, you got an attraction to it?
	Yes.
	But mine, my brother was almost abducted and lots of things went down, but over the years I realized, for me, like you were saying, the spiritual side is the most important part.
	Right, right.
	Well, I don't claim to be an abductee, but I had, as a child, I had regular chronic nighttime paralysis experiences, where I would be frozen in my bed, I couldn't speak, couldn't talk, all I could do was move my eyes.
	And then I would kind of pass out, and then I would awaken sometime later, just shaking like post-traumatic stress disorder.
	I did have those experiences as a child, but I never linked that with UFOs or extraterrestrials, but maybe there was a component there.
	I'm sure there is.
	You ought to be regressed.
	Bud Hopkins, yeah, Bud Hopkins died, but I mean, I worked with a few.
	I did my own work.
	If you find a really good person you trust to work with, because I worked with a few people, and the Brainwash program, if they stick in there, keeps people from experiencing almost everything that they experience when they were on the ship.
	Right.
	The person I worked with was Bud Hopkins' first person he ever worked with.
	He's my best friend.
	And, uh, I worked with her for months and found out so much information that they did to her, what they were doing with her.
	Uh, and, and like I said, Bud Hopkins wrote his first book when he was traveling around the United States with her.
	But, uh, for me, I didn't work with anybody yet that had a really good experience when they were abducted.
	And I always use the word, if you were abducted, it's not a good experience.
	Right, right.
	Well, look, I'm glad I got you, but, uh, I'll try to email you with some stuff after the show, all right?
	Okay.
	Okay, yeah.
	Thank you very much, Tommy.
	We're going to have to, you know, let you go, but I will put you, if you want to write to me, I can always forward an email as well if you don't get a connection there.
	Okay, thank you.
	It was a pleasure.
	Take it easy.
	Bye.
	Bye-bye.
	Okay, so we're going to go to one more caller, and let me see.
	Hold on.
	It doesn't seem to be working.
	Wait.
	Interesting.
	Okay.
	Sorry about this.
	I wanted everyone to know that I did rediscover our chat room.
	It took me a while and it wasn't transferred with the rest of the site.
	So it's still over at the forum.
	So that's why it was kind of lost.
	The link was lost.
	It's now on the front page of Camelot.
	Just FYI for anyone who was looking for the chat and never saw it and was wondering what happened to it as well.
	Besides myself.
	So, Collar, you're on the air with Kerry Cassidy and Jim Nichols, and you are area code 310.
	Hi.
	Yeah, speaking of Fred Bell there, he claimed to have had a sexual relationship with Zamyazi, which did not happen.
	I'm a Pujaran contactee, and I can tell you that Billy Meyer's contact with the Pujarans ended Well, thank you for that information.
	Did you want to reply to that at all, Jim?
	Well, I was aware that she did have an injury there, which is unfortunate.
	But that's as much as I know about that.
	Okay, caller.
	Well, actually, I guess the caller hung up.
	So anyway, so we're getting near the end of the show, but I'm going to see if there's anything in the chat now that I've rediscovered it that might have I've been typed into, you know, caps and just really quickly trying to skim through here and see if there's any questions.
	I don't actually see any offhand, so if you do have a question, you type it up real fast into the chat.
	I can see if we can get to it right before we end here.
	So, in terms of where you think things are going, are you excited about, let's say, December 21st, 2012?
	Do you have any thoughts about it?
	Well, getting back to my videos, I did produce a video two years ago called Nibiru, which talks about Planet X and 2012.
	So it's kind of an overview of the general perceptions and prophecies about what's going to happen.
	And after last year, I was really on pins and needles about what was going to happen this year.
	But now it's like I've just kind of backed off from all of it, and it's like I'm just going to sit back and let 2012 tell its own story without any preconceived notions of what may happen or what may not happen.
	It's easy to get so involved in all the conjecture and so forth, but now it's 2012's turn to tell its own story.
	And so that's what I'm just kind of sitting back and watching what happens.
	Okay, fair enough.
	Just out of curiosity, what was your conclusion in regard to Nibiru?
	Did you feel that it was definitely out there and it was incoming?
	And did you have a date or a time when you thought, you know, because I've heard all kinds of things?
	I really, the conjecture I had come across, I thought it would be visible right now.
	I thought it would be here upon us, and obviously if it's still infrared, it's still invisible, and I'm just, I've really kind of backed off of that.
	I'm not going to say, oh, there's no such thing.
	I'm just going to say that, you know, it may approach us later.
	Okay.
	All right, Jim Nichols, thank you very much for coming on the show.
	We are at the end here.
	If you want to give out your website, please do so.
	Yeah, one more time, it's jimnicholsufo.net, and I have eight blogs posted already, and I'll be posting more over the next few weeks, and of course there's all my videos on UFO TV Presents YouTube.
	Thank you.
	Okay, very good.
	Thank you everyone.
	Good night.
	I'll be back on Friday night on Resolution Radio.
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