PROJECT CAMELOT : TWILIGHT OF THE OLD BOYS NETWORK
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Thank you.
This is Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot.
This is the place where the UFO Congress is being held this year.
And I'm about to go see if there's anything worth filming about this event.
And Bob Dean has a group of people behind him, surrounding him, I should say.
He's over here, holding court.
Among the group that greeted the Anunnaki in 54 at Woolrock, which is now Edwards, Edwards Air Force, there was an archbishop from Los Angeles by the name of Mike McIntyre, McIntyre had been invited to be present when they landed to meet them.
Because I thought, well, somebody ought to be representing the church here, you know.
And they brought old McIntyre over from LA to Murad.
And they were there for two days.
And these guys scared the shit out of everybody with their technology.
And they talked openly.
The two hovered over the runway for two days.
Just never landed.
I mean, no legs or nothing.
They just hovered over the damn runway.
It's all on film.
But the other guys come out and landed right in front of the hangar and got out and went over and, you know, shook hands or whatever.
I don't know what the hell they did.
McIntyre was present.
Because I had invited them.
Well, after it was all over with, after the second day, and you guys get back in their ship and off they go, our intelligence people got a hold of McIntyre and said, Archbishop, you've got to understand.
You can't talk about anything you've seen.
Oh, I understand.
Archbishop, this is beyond top secret.
You can't say a word about what we have just experienced here.
Oh yes, I know.
So the old bastard gets on a plane, takes off and flies back toward the East.
They brought his plane down in Chicago and sent to him again.
Archbishop, we have to make you understand.
You can't talk about any of this.
Oh yes, yes, I understand.
So McIntyre gets back on his plane, flies to New York, flies to Rome, and briefs the Pope.
Because his first authority, his first responsibility, was not to Washington, the President, or to the Constitution.
It was to His Holiness.
And the Pope he briefed was Pius XII. So SIV has existed since 1954.
And there have been reports again and again and again that several of the Pokes Have entertained some of them privately in their chambers there at the Vatican, which I find quite easy to accept.
Enter stage right in this place.
We go out on the stage and we prance and dance and we take our little toy swords and we whack and bang each other and we make love and all this crap, you know, you've got all Shakespeare's plays.
And then he says, when the act is over, you exit stage left, and a new play begins.
So what I have nagging in suspicion is that the 21st of December, we exit stage left, 2012, a new play is beginning.
And a few of us, well many of us, exit stage left every damn day.
I damn near died in October, procrastinate.
But you know, how many people died on the planet this year?
Several million?
And several million more got born.
You want to know what?
What the Old Boys Network has told you.
Oh, Jesus Christ.
That's what I want to know.
I spoke at your Awakened Aware conference in September.
Yes.
I was honored and delighted to be there.
I leveled out to the audience what I considered to be probably...
The most complete presentation that I've made in years.
And you took the whole thing and put it on YouTube, so it's awkward.
But there are a few things that I've been shared with and shown to, informed of, that I haven't shared with you.
And like I said, this one guy, he was, you know, just a soldier who was involved in one of the graphic materials.
Was it just like a detail?
Oh yeah, and I mean, Roswell was the same way.
It wasn't like y'all had to have a special clearance.
It's like, you, you, you, we got to go now.
Oh, I never, I officially never had a clearance, so I had a secret clearance from the time I got into basic.
And you were in the military.
Yes, sir.
Every five years you have to renew that clearance.
Yes, sir.
I never had to renew it.
Interesting.
They needed me more than I needed them, until I started to ask in 87, what type of information do you have on me involving the host?
The DIA came back and said, we have an entry on you where you have a security clearance, a secret, under AR-50, and that's Nuclear Assurance.
And I said, oh, that's nice, and Army Security Agency are the ones that issued this to you.
But it was always there, but from that secret clearance, It's only supposed to be on a long-time basis.
They broke that all the time.
I'd be exposed to stuff that's top secret, CSI, all of that.
I'm trying to give you a secret clearance to all that.
I know top secret has so many different levels.
Well, they could always go up on it.
But secret's only one.
But see, that secret clearance provided the foundation for...
To use me many times over on the one-time basis.
You were always in brief to now.
But, you know, I thought I was getting out of one mission because it made it clear you had to have at least a security clearance.
So I went up and very sadly acknowledged, I'm sorry sir, I don't have a security clearance.
And this was with the Inspector General of the U.S. Army in Germany.
An incident that occurred there and that went on for several weeks and we were involved in that.
We were involved in the Soviet Union too.
Anyhow, after I went ahead and announced that, I'm sorry, I just can't do this because I don't have security clearance, and I'd be remiss if I told you I, you know, don't have that.
And I figured, okay, they're going to send me back to my unit.
Done deal.
And all he did was say, you know, I know you'd lay down your life, your country.
So I don't have any heart for the human being.
But I wouldn't find out until 1987 about that secret clearance.
And I wouldn't find out until 1987.
They needed that secret clearance to add on.
Every time I went and tried to get a clearance, because it's crucial for commotion, they'd always go ahead.
Well, they would bounce it back down and tell me, don't know if I'm going to cross it.
Because see, if I did it, I'd find out I'd have it.
And they could never pull it.
When I got assigned to Neeming, they tried to pull it because I didn't need a security clearance there.
So they sent me a notification that it had been pulled.
I thought, the last on them, I don't have a secret clearance.
They went back and told 4th ROTC Region, no, this man needs it.
We can't explain to you why.
He keeps the clearance.
So, I didn't know at the time, but we were getting ready for something big.
That's how they keep a secret, they don't tell you.
Oh, yeah.
So, when I got out, I was debriefed, but I'd already started to say, this isn't right for hurting people.
So, I went through the gauntlet of being relieved of duty, getting hit up on them trying to court-martial me, having to go through a psychiatric evaluation.
And the bottom line, three field grade officers was relieved of duty as a result of that.
You being in the military, you know that doesn't happen.
That does never happen.
Ever.
And I got a meritorious service medal out of it.
And I have it with me, if you're here tomorrow, I'll even show it to you, where the commander's inquiry said the ER was wrong, talks about the relief of the officers, and they even made it part of my military personnel record.
Because it dealt with UFOs, and because I was refusing to follow orders, not to be trying to get information out, they actually pulled that because they were afraid that later on, they would find out that, hey, this guy got a relief for cause.
It had to do with his interests and UFOs.
What is this?
So they actually pulled it.
They pulled it to my fish.
You know, once it goes in the fish, it's not supposed to be pulled.
They actually, I got a copy of my fish where it's there.
The next fish I got, it's no longer there.
And I have the letter from Wilperson to say that it would be part of my permanent practice.
So favoritism does exist.
Hey, I've had an Article 15 torn up, and you know that's illegal.
It's a legal document, you know?
I've done a lot of that for my troops.
And this is her book that she...
No, actually, it's Clifford's book.
Well, what did you do?
Release it?
I sponsored it.
I did the interviews.
Let me tell everybody the truth of it is.
Bob here can better understand it better than probably anybody who's never been in the military.
I have difficulty telling my story because I see it in my mind's eye and I relive it each and every time I tell it.
Then I get emotional.
I don't like doing that.
Days after, I still feel it.
So, you know, she knew this is a book that I needed to write.
So, very meticulously, she did many interviews.
And she, in essence, captured my entire life, my entire involvement with this.
So now there's a book out there that I would have never written.
And my granddaughter, that's my heart, she thinks it should be getting out there.
When we'd talk, she'd even say, Grandfather, you're holding things back.
And I'd always say, Yomini, I am.
But it is a book...
Not so much about me, but it's meant for other people that's been in the military who have been involved in situations where they can't even talk to their family.
I've gotten several hundred calls as a result of that book coming out.
And actually, one of the most important calls, there were actually three, but the most important was a guy that served with me in one of the retrievals.
He kept it from his family and never told me.
But they knew that something happened and something was going on.
And he would bring up the subject of UFOs from time to time.
But he could never bring it up to his family.
He bought the book, he read it, then he called his family together.
And while he had his family there, he called me.
And he said, in Georgia, I was with you in one of these incidences.
And I said, well, sir, I regret it.
I can't remember people who was there with you.
You never got to take things, you know.
So I told him that there were a lot of people involved in the only one time.
He says, that was the way it was with me.
Then he told me about something I did with a paper clip and a pair of tweezers.
And the crap we were in started to rumble and all of us were afraid, what's going to happen next?
And I said, I don't know.
But he was sky standing next to me and what have you done and what's going to happen next?
So the only way he could have known that was to be...
So after he told me that, I realized.
But he's not the one that wants to go out and talk about UFOs.
He doesn't want to be involved with being filmed or anything.
He wants, as my granddaughter says, a normal life.
And this changes you.
And it changed him.
But he wasn't realizing it.
He was changed forever by having that one experience.
And people who have an event like this, it changes your life.
But you need to tell your family.
But then when you tell your family, it's how you go ahead and closure with your family.
With this book coming out, he was able to show that it wasn't something.
I sent him a whole slew of documents showing that we've done other recoveries.
So, he finally got the family to accept what he was talking about as being a reality.
Now whether he convinced them they were of extraterrestrial origin or not, I don't know.
But they finally accepted and he found closure.
For the first time, it wasn't something that he believed to be true and it just didn't happen.
He had closure.
And that's what makes it worthwhile.
So the book was actually written to help those people who have found it.
They're not UFO buffs.
They don't go to UFO conferences.
So the end result is, who do you turn to?
There's no one out there for them to turn to.
By virtue of him seeing that book, he got closure.
We turned to each other somehow.
That's it.
Well, when you and I talk, we can talk openly.
Because we've been there.
We've done that.
We understand where we're coming from.
When somebody else is there, it's hard to understand.
But when it's you and I, it's a brotherhood.
Oh, who is?
Very...
Very isolated, brother.
Very, very few in number.
And there aren't many others left?
Nope.
Not many others left.
I keep saying goodbye to old friends every damn day.
Well, you've got to be here for a while.
Oh, shut up.
As long as you're around, I'll hang around.
Okay?
Damn, it's good to see you.
Hi, I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot, and I hope to go down as far down in the rabbit hole as possible at this point.
You guys with me?
You have to be careful, my dear.
If you go down the rabbit hole, you might not come out.
I understand that.
Okay.
But being careful is something I kind of threw up.
Yeah, I know.
I know.
All right.
And from an old war horse to another old war horse.
I know exactly what you're talking about.
So, we're very happy that Bob Dinas survived his ordeal in, what was it, October?
October the 1st.
Yeah, after your conference in September in Orange County.
Ten days after that, I'm in intensive care, in a coma, in a hospital here in Phoenix.
With viral meningitis, of all things.
My doctors called my son and my wife and said, look, we don't think he's going to make it.
Because of his age, 82, meningitis is pretty well fatal.
And they gave the word that they didn't expect me to go home.
And my son and my wife sold my old car while I was in the hospital.
Heaven forgiven them for that.
And I died, sweetheart.
I literally died.
I was out of body.
Okay, and I believe you came back for a reason.
I went home.
I really went home.
I've been out of my body several times over the years in the military, in combat.
But I went home and I was glad to be home.
And I ran into a couple of dudes all on the other side who says, no, you're not staying here.
You've got to go back.
And I says, no, I don't want to go back.
I'm finished with that mess down there.
I want to stay here.
And they said, no, you haven't finished.
You've got a few things yet to do.
So get your buns back there.
Next thing I know, I wake up in a bed in a hospital, and they're giving me injections, and they're taking blood, and they're giving me meds.
Good Lord, here I am, sweetheart.
I'm still here.
I'm as ornery as ever.
That's right, you are.
And I came back for some purpose, and I'm not sure what it is, but I'm here.
Okay, and we're going to try to discover that purpose right here and right now.
Clifford, you're part of it.
You're a contactee, and we did an interview with you years ago, and I've had a lovely conversation that I recorded yesterday between you and Bob.
Very brief, but lovely nonetheless.
And you are an intuitive.
And I can relate to that.
And we had a lovely conversation many years ago in Roswell.
I remember that.
And it's a delight to have you here.
I know you don't come out much anymore.
Yes, ma'am.
But you're here.
And you are as eloquent as ever, I can say.
Thank you.
And the two of you are...
Talk about two guys who have very smooth tongues.
Smooth talkers, both of you.
I didn't realize that.
Are you a smooth talker?
Not that I know of.
My wife yells at me a whole lot.
I'm not smooth.
You are?
We're old friends.
We go back many, many years.
Cliff and I are among the last of the old boys network.
Because we had a network of a couple of hundreds, maybe 500 guys over the years.
From every rank, from every service.
We had sergeants, we had admirals, we had generals.
We've had a Russian cosmonaut who was a member of our old group.
But most of them are gone home now.
And Cliff and I are among the last of the old boys.
And I love him dearly.
And he's a dear friend because I know what he's been through.
And I've been through much of it.
So I relate to him.
And it was such a wonderful thing to see him again this time.
We can relate to one another.
I mean, it's like you can talk to other people about the experiences you had, but they don't fully understand.
They can't, Cliff.
They can't.
No, they can't.
They haven't been there.
So it's about like, you know, We can communicate and understand fully what is going on by virtue of being there and being a part of it.
But when you try to talk to other people, a lot of times it's very difficult.
Bob has always been, I apologize, Sergeant Major.
Command Sergeant Major.
Command Sergeant Major, Robert Dean.
He's always been a close, personal friend ever since we met.
And we united, we felt that kindredship, and there's a brotherhood there that Most people don't understand.
In the military, you form brotherhoods.
But in this particular field, when you've been a part of it, you've been exposed of it, it's even a tighter brotherhood.
I hear you.
So what I want to ask you first of all, both of you, what is it that you haven't told the people?
Okay?
What I want is, both of you are getting older.
Both of you are one of the most, I don't know, the most courageous, the most out there individuals in terms of greeting the public, sharing your story with the public.
Both of you have been exceedingly brave in that regard.
You've taken a lot of flack over the years for that, and everyone listening to this should respect them for that.
But what I'd like to know is, what haven't you told people?
That you could tell them today.
Because, for example, and these are the hard questions, okay?
They're not all friendly, alright?
What were your dealings with the unfriendly type?
And why?
You first, Clipper.
Well, with me, I never had to deal with any of the unfriendlies.
I was just warned that not all contact would be friendly.
So, you know, you always prepared for that.
But every time you went into an event, it was always that...
I'm going to use the term fear, but it's not exactly fear.
You know, there's that anticipation of what could, might happen.
All kinds of things ran through your head.
Things that I haven't told, and I'm sure that the Sergeant Major can also concur with this, is that The things that went on, you couldn't even tell your family.
And you wanted to tell your family.
And it created problems within your family.
And you couldn't tell anyone.
And like I think I told you earlier, when my new book came out, my son, my oldest son, was the first one of the kids to ever do this, that he put it on my Facebook that I'm proud of you, Dad, for trying to bring forth the truth.
Wonderful.
They got to see what I was trying to do to gather the information because I knew that, no, Roswell wasn't just a lone event, that over the years we've recovered many such objects, debris thereof.
Crashes are unique.
They don't happen every day.
They're very rare.
And there's a hundred reasons why we have recovered crash UFOs.
But I try to bring everything out.
I understand.
And we shot those UFOs crash because we shot them down?
In some instances, but it was more the Soviet Union and other foreign powers that did it.
But if they were foreign powers that were friendly, we would go in and try to recover those.
There was, I think, 19...
It was in the 1970s.
There was a UFO that went down in Sudan.
Now, this is unique because it wasn't ours, but we wanted to go ahead and recover that object.
Well, there was strained relations at that time, With all nations in the Middle East, so they did not want us there.
However, a group of 13 Soviet personnel, to include scientists, went there to investigate that object that fell.
That shows right there that it wasn't ours.
We knew it wasn't ours.
And the documentation makes it clear.
But we couldn't say too much about it because we could not go and look at it.
But the Russians did.
But I can tell you, on many occasions, both the U.S. and Russia, or should I say the former Soviet states, we had worked together and we worked with other foreign powers simply because situations like this could lead to misunderstandings That could have triggered possibly a nuclear war.
And Sergeant Major Dean probably knows more about that even than what I do by virtue of the position he had and the documentation he was exposed to.
We and the Soviets have been together closer together than most people realize.
We and the Soviets have been working side by side on this particular issue since before the Cold War, for God's sake.
Now the Cold War, as many of you remember, many of you older people will remember, was kind of a construction that was made up by Soviet leadership, American leadership, to convince the world that we were antagonistic toward each other and we were going into a nuclear war.
We and the Soviets have been like this from the very beginning of this matter, particularly involving them.
So, and even today now, here we are, we don't have a space program of our own publicly.
We're paying the Soviets, what, a half a million dollars a pop just to get one of our astronauts to the space station, or God said.
So we and the Russians have been pretty close together for the last 50 years on this alien matter.
And why is that, you know?
Because we recognized from the very beginning that it was us versus them.
And we didn't realize back in the beginning that they were made up of not only malevolent guys out there, and there are some of them out there that don't like us at all.
They're not purposely malevolent, they're not hostile, but they don't like the human race, and they don't give a damn whether we survive or not.
Thank God we have good friends out there that do care about us, that are related to us, who want to see us survive as a species.
What is the threat?
In other words, first of all, you know they've done abductions.
We know that they allowed them to do abductions.
And yes, some of the abductions are positive contactee experiences, etc., etc.
And some of them are painful.
And it depends who it is.
But they also had an agenda.
And one of those agendas is to create a hybrid race.
They're harvesting ourselves.
We made an agreement with them in 1954.
We would allow them to continue to harvest our genetics.
And we traded that for technology.
We also traded a lot of our gold for that technology.
I was telling someone the other day that I'm remote viewing Fort Knox and it's half empty.
Because we've given the Anunnaki enough damn gold that they've given us anti-gravity, they've given us...
What?
Zero point energy?
And we have a separate space program which makes NASA look like a joke.
Exactly.
So Clifford, you're aware of this.
You must be aware of the abductions, the negative side of the abductions as well, right?
Well, it goes back to where not all contact could be friendly.
And what I would do is point out that it's not necessarily a culture, but it is like a rogue group within that culture.
A good example, I've been using this all day, is like, you know, you have the cartel.
Well, they're people just like us.
They're humans, but yet they're a sliver group.
They have their own agenda.
And that same thing happens within the various cultures.
And I agree with Sergeant Major here.
My biggest fear is if these rogue groups are going ahead and coming to agreements with not only our nation but other nations, then that's a very dangerous situation because they're the wrong ones to be working with.
Okay, and this is going on, isn't it?
Unfortunately, I believe to a degree, yes it is, because the ones that really are not evil, the heads of the various cultures out there, to give us technology, they know that we are not spiritually heightened to the degree.
We use it for the right reasons.
When we go out into space, defense is one thing.
But if you build your forces to where they become offensive, then it's to impose your will over others.
And the technology that they are giving us gives us the capability to go ahead and fill in space an offensive posture So anytime we want to go ahead and make it look like it's E.T. doing it, we could make it look like E.T.'s imposing their will over the peoples of the world.
And with that technology that we have acquired from the rogue groups, yes.
And I agree with Sergeant Major.
This is really, really dangerous.
Okay.
And at this moment, though, there are certain governments, with some of these governments, Some of the governments that are actually growing into superpowers at this time, China, for example.
My understanding is there are two rogue groups that are now dealing with China.
And at least one of those groups is, quote unquote, some relatively new guys that have come on and given them some new technology.
Do you know about that?
That very well could be the case.
When I got out, they had cataloged 57.
That doesn't mean that that's all that's out there.
Edgar Mitchell believes that there may be literally hundreds of thousands of civilizations out there.
And what we have right now is the fact that on this planet, Which Sarden Major made a very good point.
That there are some that are hostile and look really down on us when I state that.
We have rogue nations.
And some of those rogue nations are very much a threat to the tranquility of the world.
And if they achieve the technology we don't want them to achieve, Then they could very well be the very forces, annoyingly, to start the total annihilation of the Earth.
There are governments out there that are also being contacted.
Just as individuals are being contacted, governments are being contacted.
Are they not?
Yes.
Okay.
And so this kind of dynamic is, we don't just have a political situation that could become unstable with, say, Iran or North Korea or China.
Or Pakistan.
But the idea here being that they may be making agreements with some off-world visitors that the ones we made agreements with, the U.S., that is, don't get along with.
And there's also issues within the U.S. itself, within the U.S. military.
The Army has got one group that they're talking to.
The Air Force is talking to another group.
And the Navy is talking to another group.
Isn't that right?
You know, but you only have a small ridiculous of people who control all of the information.
And it may not be military personnel that is doing this.
And it may not be your elected officials.
Sure.
And that's a scary situation.
Okay, and that's also true.
We've got a military right now in the U.S. that's very discontent.
And Bob, you can speak to this as well.
You've got a son who's been working for these people.
He must hear all kinds of things.
And they're being told to do certain things that they know is not in the best interest necessarily of the United States, for example.
Is that right?
Let me tell you something.
It's not easy to say that there are the good guys and there are the bad guys.
And we're in the middle.
That's true to a certain extent, and it's been true for the last 10,000 years, but it isn't particularly true today, because a third party has entered the game.
An advanced culture, God knows who they are and what they are, but they're higher in the hierarchy.
These guys at the top of the hierarchy are primarily spiritual in nature, and they have intervened.
And they have said, listen, we've had enough of this bullshit where you've warred among yourselves, you've had these clan disagreements and blah, blah, blah, blah.
This family and that family and that culture and that group, that's going to cease.
Because the human race has been in the damn middle for so long now that they've reached a critical point in their evolution and their development.
And we're going to have to see that the human race survives and makes this awkward, painful transition into a new race, into a new species.
And this higher element, this higher spiritual element in the hierarchy, has intervened.
And they have literally said, Cary, Knock off the bullshit.
We're not going to have any more of this.
There's not going to be any more planetary wars.
We've had enough of that.
We've lost too many millions of people over the years.
We're going to control this carefully.
We're going to give them an encouragement.
We're going to give them an opportunity.
And we're going to assist them to make this awkward transition into a new race.
Now, the only reason I'm hopeful now, and I used to go through this, I was very depressed and very cynical, because I'd seen so damn much of the knock-down, drag-out brawls, not only among our own people, but among some of these guys.
And then I found out that there is this third party now that's involved.
That couldn't care less about the clan disputes and the family disagreements and all that.
All they care is to see that the human species makes this awkward transition into a new race and can reach out and take our rightful place in space.
And go to the stars where we belong, for God's sake.
Okay, but that's their intention.
That's what you've been told they want to do because you were taken off-world by them.
Yes, I was.
And they've given me encouragement.
Okay.
And they've showed me the future, Carrie, and the future is glorious.
We are going to make it, and we're going to look back at this awkward period, this blackness that we've been through for the last century or two, and we're going to look back like students of history and say, my God, Look what they went through.
Look what they did to each other.
We're going to look back from the future into this particular time and place, and we're going to say, how in the world did they pull that off?
Here they are, killing hundreds of millions of people in these wars, butchering each other.
This has got to cease.
We can't let that race off the planet until they evolve and grow and mature where they can be safe.
Okay, but Bob, that rationale When you've got these races, off-planet races, who have been warring with each other for eons.
So maybe there's a new guy on the block.
Maybe that new guy is orchestrating things here.
But actually, I'm going to sit over here and I'm going to be suspicious.
Well, it's all right to be suspicious, and I know where you're coming from.
I was talking to Joe Farrell not too long ago at another conference, and Joe Farrell has written The Cosmic War.
And The Cosmic War is a true story of a war between interplanetary intelligences.
And they literally damn near destroyed each other.
They destroyed a planet.
Beyond Mars, for God's sake, in our own solar system.
But that crap has got to cease, and I have had the opportunity to meet guys from the higher level who said, we're not going to allow that to happen anymore.
We're going to give you a chance to make it.
And the only reason I'm hopeful, and I told you this privately earlier, is that I have seen the future, and there is a future for the human race, and it's beautiful.
Okay.
And I appreciate that.
Okay?
And I would agree with you.
And I think a lot of people listening to this, who will listen, will agree with you.
That's why we're all here.
That's what we're working for.
But the work is still to be done.
And what I want to do is keep eyes on the ground right now.
And I want to talk about the idea of what's right before people.
Because this is 2012.
We're going into 2013.
And some of these years are very crucial years.
Okay?
As you say, These are going to be the years in which the transition happens.
It's happening right now.
Exactly.
So what I want to talk about here is, first of all, Yes, you have a lot of bad kids in the class, okay?
And those involve the Illuminati, some of whom are basically being run by certainly groups of reptilians, certainly a group of Anunnaki that may not have our best interests in mind.
They'd like to clear the planet.
They've got big plans, and they've been working on those plans for a very long time.
And both of you must have been face to face with that agenda.
Their agendas exist.
Because they exist.
And they've had some of their own personal agendas for eons of time.
But their plans for our future don't mean diddly squat.
Because there are these higher developed cultures out there that have now intervened.
And they're going to see that the human race is going to be allowed to make it.
Okay, and you've said that, and I agree.
But the thing is, the idea here is not that somebody come in, organize the schoolyard for us, and then they go off on their own business, and then we're left to deal with it.
The idea is that we learn to walk on our own.
We organize a schoolyard ourselves.
Okay.
So there is a great importance for the human race to take sovereignty, to take their rightful place as members of the galactic community.
And to recognize who we are.
What they understand who they are.
Yes.
That we have.
Okay?
The human race is precious.
The human species is so unique.
That they told me, when I was with them for six weeks, I was asking them question after question after question.
I found that they were as interested in me as I was interested in them.
And I asked them why.
And they said, you human beings don't grasp who you really are.
You have a unique genome.
That is unique in the galaxy.
You're made up of the patterns and the parts and pieces and genes and whatever, of at least twelve different races in the universe.
And as a result of that, we think of you as unique.
As a result of that, we look upon your little planet as probably one of the ripest and richest zoological gardens in this quadrant of the galaxy.
That's the first time I realized the galaxy had been divided into four parts.
I didn't even realize there was a quadrant.
And they said, oh yes, you're the most unique and precious zoological garden in this quadrant of the galaxy.
We venerate the planet, we venerate the flora and fauna on it, and we're going to see that it survives.
Now, I'm getting this from the higher level.
I hear you, and I appreciate that.
So Clifford, because both of you have been threatened.
Both of you have had children who died in most unfortunate circumstances.
Isn't this true?
And I don't mean to bring up something that is hurtful, but the bottom line here is that you're both whistleblowers.
You both came forward.
You both put your lives on the line.
You've both been threatened in a myriad of ways.
And people out there, people need to realize that this is the case.
You're not just out there pontificating.
You know, talking off the top of your head.
Like what the Sergeant Major was talking about.
Like I was told that we are a race on this planet that is capable of such wonderful and beautiful things.
Infinite possibilities.
Absolutely.
But yet we do, we have the capability of doing such horrible things to one another.
And I think that the Sergeant Major was saying the same aside when, you know, yeah, we have to spiritually grow.
If we don't spiritually grow, we're going to fall victim to our technology.
They don't want that to happen.
And initially, the initial contact Was to ensure it didn't happen accidentally because they wanted us to know, you know, the other side's not launching against you.
We're here.
And you will, from time to time, pick us up on your radar.
We will, from time to time, appear to be missiles coming in in a threatening way.
So you must make sure, before you launch your death and destruction, That you really are under attack, but you must not let this happen.
And as we grew, actually, to an understanding, MAD was something that they held over our heads, and MAD was mutual shore destruction.
You go ahead and put a surprise attack on the U.S., we'll live long enough to kill you.
You destroy us, we'll destroy you.
Absolutely, but we're still dealing with that.
In fact, we're dealing with something with Iran right now, and Israel, In which we're coming to another one of those situations.
And I have a whistleblower right now that I interviewed last night who said that there was a Bay of Pigs situation going on with regard to Iran and Venezuela with missiles that were supposedly, you know, put into Venezuela by Iranians, etc., etc.
And they actually said that there were some ETs from off-world that intervened.
Now, My understanding is, and people don't realize this, but I also have a whistleblower who used to set up a camera on his deck in L.A., and he had it on all the time at night, and he would film the fight, the war going on between us and them.
And this was not the Russians, the Chinese.
It was off-worlders.
I know, Ed, honey.
And the guy was killed.
I know, Ed.
And those weren't wars.
Those were operations.
Those were exercises.
But they weren't wars.
If there were wars out there, if there were cosmic wars going on around our planet, this planet would be in pretty damn dreadful shape.
But it is in dreadful shape.
Well, it's not as dreadful as it could be.
Oh, no, that's not true.
And what do you think the chemtrails are doing?
They're covering up...
Among other things, besides changing the atmosphere to make it better for a hybrid race that the grays have now created and are going to inhabit this planet on some level...
They will never inhabit the planet.
The hybrid race will.
No, they won't.
This planet is going to be preserved, Carrie.
They're human.
They're half-human.
Yes, but we are human.
This is our planet.
And in short, what we do with it, it's up to us.
We're the flora on this planet.
We're the fauna on this planet.
I agree.
We're the caretakers.
And should there be a hostile force that was to invade us, we would put out a valiant defense.
We couldn't win without outside help.
But that outside help would come and help neutralize the threat, then leave as immediately as that outside threat or that threat was neutralized.
I know this to be the case.
Yes.
In the early years, we would go ahead.
We would go up and attempt to shoot UFOs down.
July 26, 1952, an actual order was given to shoot down UFOs.
They revoked it damn quickly, didn't they?
They revoked it by 5.30 that day.
You're damn right they did.
The Soviet Union to this day still directs UFOs or directs that their pilots will fire upon the UFOs.
It's a big, big mistake.
Absolutely.
And they've lost planes as a result of that.
The British did a report in 2000, December 2000, that talked about how little knowledge we had of what the British or what the Russians did as far as the UFOs that were over there.
In December of 2000, the British released a report, and of course people say, well, the British went ahead and said there was nothing to UFOs.
The report doesn't state that.
The report even goes ahead, talks about radar sightings, about aircraft sightings, and even about the possibility of some crashes of our aircraft occurring, their aircraft occurring, because of UFO sightings.
They know, and they put this right in the report, that the Soviets make attempts to shoot down UFOs and have lost aircraft in the process.
And I have a copy of that entire report.
Okay, but if we're working, you know that our government has got alliances with some of these groups, some of them that are not positive.
In other words, what's transpiring on the planet right now And that's the greed of man.
But it's also that they're working with a group of ETs.
Yes.
And therefore, it's not just human against human.
It's not human against ET. It's human and ET against ET. You think the good guys aren't watching over us?
I'll tell you this right now.
You have people on this planet That aren't what they seem to be.
That's right.
We call them watchers.
And the whole situation is they're not going to come in and impose their will on us.
It's imperative that what truly happens is the will of the people of this planet.
But you may have to make sacrifices.
But if the powers that be right now choose to listen to the evil side, they'll let that go for a little while.
But once it becomes a threat to humanity as a whole, then like what Sartre later said, some outside force will step in.
Let me tell you something, if I may interject something, Cliff.
The good guys out there, whoever the hell you think they are and whatever, it doesn't matter.
They orchestrated the end of the Cold War.
They came over our missile silos here in the United States.
They hovered over our missile silos.
Where we had these intercontinental ballistic missiles that had 12 independently targeted warheads, each one with a one megaton warhead, and we were targeting the Soviet Union.
And the Soviet Union had the same damn thing targeting us.
Well, when Reagan was in office and Gorbachev was in office, these good guys came down and hovered over our missile silos, and they not only knocked off the computers, They melted the warheads in our missiles.
And they scrambled the guidance system so badly that if the missile had ever gotten out of the silo, God knows where it would have gone.
Miami or Schenectady wouldn't have mattered.
Because it wouldn't have exploded.
It would have just leave a hole in the ground.
They did the same damn thing to Gorbachev's Soviet Union outside of St.
Petersburg, outside of Moscow.
They hovered over the warheads, melted the warheads, scrambled the guidance systems, and brought an end to the Cold War.
Now, it even happened as late as 1980 at Brindlesham Forest at Bentwaters.
I talked to Charlie Halt, who was a deputy post commander there, and I said, Colonel, the word I got from a general recently was that they screwed up the warheads and scrambled it.
He said, screwed up hell, they stole some of them.
Now these are the good guys, and the good guys said to Gorbachev, and to Reagan, and to anyone else who was listening, and believe me, the Chinese were paying attention, they said, you guys are not going to screw up this goddamn planet, you're not going to destroy yourselves, that there will not be a nuclear war.
We're going to see that you do not do that, and now these are the guys that are in control.
Now, let me finish.
There are alien groups that are pissing and moaning among themselves and among us and moving things around and causing trouble here and there.
But there is that third party beyond them that's in charge.
Okay, if they're in charge, they're doing a hell of a battle.
Well, you tell them about it.
And if you want to run into them and meet one of them face to face, as I have, you be prepared to give him some guidance on what you think would be the answer.
Well, that's what we're doing here, okay?
These people from off-planet, we're their progeny.
We are their family.
That's right.
And therefore, we have their genetics.
And therefore, like child is father to the man, we have every right to stand up and speak to them and tell them what is right and what is wrong with what is going on here, okay?
And that means a lot of the different races.
We are related to a lot of races out there, and you know it.
I can see this adolescent child standing up and say, look, Pop, I'm going to tell you what I think needs to be done.
And Father looks down at the brat and says, well, good.
Tell me what you think.
But in the meantime, I'm going to keep your ass out of trouble.
I'm going to see that you don't go to jail.
And I'm going to not let you blow yourselves up in the meantime.
Okay, but we have...
Let's get serious here.
We are on the verge of civil war in the United States, and you know it.
Both of you.
Okay?
Our military is extremely discontented.
Our government is...
The secret government is working very hard to funnel most of the money into their black projects.
We've got, in essence, a rogue civilization that's living, going off planet, using technology that is wild beyond our wildest dreams.
And we are here.
Here in, what, 2012?
And we don't even have cars that fly.
We are using old technology.
They're demonstrating through NASA. They're taking astronauts off the planet in an unconscionable way, in tin cans that blow up and kill them.
I mean, we have a situation here that is actually not in a great state of affairs.
And we are on the verge of these games they're playing.
With chemtrails, they're ruining humans' health across the globe, especially in the United States.
We've got underground bases.
We've got Dulce experimentation on humans that is going through the roof.
We've got biological weapons labs across the nation.
We've contaminated the planet with radiation from Fukushima, now north of Chicago, and here in San Onofre.
We've got another plant, some of which is being triggered by the powers that be.
So they are playing games, and they're not just fun and games.
They are very serious games.
They are messing with us.
They can go ahead and play those games, but the situation is we, an unknowing, unsuspecting public, let it happen.
In short, I'm a retired service member.
I love this country dearly.
If anybody threatened this country, I would lay down my life for our way of life.
Out of all the countries in the world, this country right here has the greatest form of government.
But what makes it great is the people.
And we can talk about the evils of the government and the evils of the industrial complex.
But ultimately, we, the people, have the most powerful weapon in the world.
This is what it is.
And when it comes time to vote, you vote.
When you think that there are things that are wrong, you correspond with members of your government.
Now, they may not, in the case of UFOs, you better believe I do a lot of writing to a lot of senators and a lot of governmental agencies.
And I'm quite sure they hate that.
But, as I told a major once, when he asked me, what difference does it make to you if the Pentagon has 50 flying saucers?
I went ahead and I said, sir, You have the luxury of not knowing the truth.
Unfortunately, I do not share that luxury.
Now, experiences such as the Sergeant Major's mind, we may have different experiences.
But when you put them all together, they paint a picture.
And the situation is, why are we talking?
I guarantee you the sergeant major loves this country just as much as I do.
And we may be old codgers, but if you threaten our way of life, we would take up arms.
I pledge my life for this country and I still hold to that.
And that pledge is still dear to our heart.
Okay, but you do understand you have a government that is ready to put people like you guys and me and probably a few other people in this room in jail for talking about the truth.
Because they want to keep secrets, and they want to continue with their way, which has become basically a rogue society, okay?
Behind our backs.
Now, Bob Dean, I know Bob knows the old boy's secrets, okay?
I know he was let in quite a while ago.
Were you let in?
They don't want me in.
Let me put it to you this way.
Why not?
They don't want me in because the whole situation is...
I don't like what's going on, and I wouldn't cooperate.
When I first got started in being an interfacer, okay, fine, I went along with it.
When I saw we were hurting people, I drew the line in the sand there.
That we did not have the right to go ahead and drive people to the edge where they committed suicide, where they lost their families, they lost their job, They would have to go through ridicule because of things that happened to them.
When they're involved in something, we give a posaic explanation knowing that it's not the right answer.
And I said, no, this isn't right.
I have a moral obligation to go ahead, throw myself on my own sword, no matter what people thought of me, no matter if they thought I was crazy, thought I was lying, didn't make any difference.
what was important was to go ahead, come out and say, here's what really is going on.
Now, why is that important?
Because it goes ahead, hopefully, and I had one experience with that since my new book got out, and gives people the courage to say, this is what happened, at least to their families.
And they owe that to their families.
At some point, they will go ahead and start thinking, we need to come out and talk too.
That's right.
And, you know, it's got to start somewhere.
Okay.
So they didn't let you in their old boys' network, and yet you were an intuitive.
You must have had intuitive knowledge.
I mean, you were used to contact, to deal with any survivors, isn't that right, in the craft?
And so you have a unique ability.
So with that same ability, you have the ability to see beyond the facade with the old boys.
So although you weren't let in the way he was let in, You still know what he knows.
Isn't that right?
I agree.
Okay.
Bob, they let you in.
I've been on the inside for many, many years, honey.
And I've been a maverick.
Yes.
I started off quietly, keeping my mouth shut.
I got along just fine.
Then I became pissed off.
I got angry.
It has nothing to do with courage.
It's anger.
I got angry as hell, and I'm a command sergeant major retired, and you don't piss me off and push me too far, because then I start pushing back.
So I ended up becoming a threat, then I became a nuisance, and I've learned since that I am now an asset.
The reason I'm alive.
You played their game to some degree.
Well, I played it along to a certain point.
And then I reached the same point that Cliff reached.
I said, I'm not going any further with this.
I saw too many lives ruined.
I saw careers ruined, families destroyed, people committing suicide.
I saw things, honey, that would curl your hair.
And I said, I've had enough of this shit.
I'm going to tell a goddamn truth whether they like it or not.
And that's when they threatened my ass.
They tried to take my pension away.
They harassed me with black helicopters and black SUVs.
Phone calls at 3 in the morning.
I went through the whole nine yards until I fought back.
I said, I'm carrying a gun.
I'm a marksman.
Don't push me too far.
I'm going to start shooting people.
And you realize they walked away and backed away from me and left me alone?
And here I am, 2012, 83 years old, ornery as ever, and I'm speaking to you with honesty and from my heart.
Yes, I do.
A few of them are still around.
Most of them are dead.
Look, I've known some of the guys in MJ-12, honey, personally.
And most of them are dead now.
I don't know who the new crowd is, because I've been out of touch for quite a while.
But they still exist, and they're there.
You call them the black government, you call them the secret government, doesn't matter what you call them, they're there.
But they're still messing with people.
Oh, they're messing with people.
Look, you've got the Trilateral Commission, you've got the Council of Foreign Relations, you've got the Bilderbergers, you've got all those guys.
You call them the Illuminati.
That doesn't mean shit, you know.
You can call them anything you want, but they exist.
But there are powers beyond them.
And they don't like that.
And they don't yet have come to terms with the fact that they can push the human race, the American people, whoever, just so far And that that third party is going to intervene in a big way.
Okay, but what we do is equally as important as that.
Of course it is.
Okay?
What the people out there listening to this, and the reason we're having this conversation, is to reach those people.
Okay?
To get those people to get involved.
To get them to realize that there is a war accord.
I want people to wake up, Kerry.
I don't speak publicly anymore.
I don't travel well anymore.
I'm getting old and I'm getting tired.
And my patience has been stretched to its limits.
And I don't have a lot of patience anymore.
And like my dear friend Robert there, I get to a point where, damn it, I'm going to stand up and raise holy hell.
I'm going to be a Command Sergeant Major again.
I'm going to take names and chew ash.
And I'm going to do that till the day I die.
I hope so.
And I damn near died in October.
But I have good friends in high places, no pun intended, who brought me back and told me that I had to come back because I wasn't finished yet.
And part of what I had to do when I came back is sit with you in an interview and tell you from my heart what I've seen, what I've learned, and what I leave with the people on your film is I want to leave them with hope.
With all the darkness and all the blackness and all that bullshit that exists out there, there is hope.
There is a future for your kids and your grandkids and your great-grandchildren, and this human race is going to make this transition, and we're going to survive this transcendent transformation into a new species, and we're going to the stars, Carrie, Where we belong.
We're going out there to take our natural place in that infinite community of life.
And that's the only thing that makes me feel that life is worthwhile.
Because I know, having seen their future, and they have shown it to me, that it is glorious.
And I wouldn't be sitting here talking to you unless I believed that in the depth of my heart.
And I want to leave that to your viewers.
You've done so.
That there is a future and it's glorious and there is going to be a tomorrow.
And dispense with this bullshit about doomsday, because every time some poor human being on this planet dies, it's doomsday for him.
But that's not the end of life.
That is true.
But we need to handle a situation that's going on on the planet right now that requires human beings to not just...
We have to participate in it.
We have to participate in our salvation.
They have to participate through consciousness.
Yes.
Okay?
And they have the ability because we are, again, their progeny.
We have those powers.
We can fly...
We can do anything we want to do.
We can create reality.
We can destroy reality.
Honey, the human spirit is infinite.
We have power we haven't even dreamed of yet.
That's right.
And once we realize who we are and what we are, and we start expressing that power, there's no end.
We can change anything.
Okay, so what we want people to do is we want to educate them.
We want to wake them up and we want to give them the tools by which to change their reality.
And that's what you're doing with these films.
That's exactly right.
Now Clifford.
Well, I'll back up to Sergeant Major in that we've got enough going on out there that's talking about, you know, UFOs are here.
They're hostile.
We're on the end of their food chain.
They're going to take us over.
There's nothing we can do about it, but we thought you should know.
If that was my message, I'd say nothing.
But like the Sergeant Major, I want my message to be a message of hope and for us to look and build towards a brighter future.
And by us spiritually growing, we head in that direction.
But it's going to take time.
We're not going to go away.
We're going to be here.
We are going to achieve interstellar travel where we visit other star systems.
But in order to do that, We must first grow spiritually.
Right now, the situation is we're on quarantine.
And do we have the technology to be out?
Oh, we sure do.
I can show you the NASA plans for setting up a permanent basis on the Moon, on Mars.
The technology is there right now.
In 2007, they planned to go back to Mars.
Did they?
Or did they not?
Something going on we don't know about?
Yeah, probably there is.
But we are still a world in quarantine.
Okay, well, I don't agree that we're in quarantine.
I actually think we've been invaded every way since Sunday by various races.
In other words, the quarantine is off.
The gloves are off.
And that's part of the transition.
In other words, you don't go to the big leagues without starting to get into the sort of understanding that there are positive and negative beings out there.
And diving into the water and learning how to swim on your own.
So this is the challenge.
And this is where you guys can bring your wisdom, your worldly knowledge to the people.
And that's what we're doing here.
Now I have a question for you, Bob Dean.
You've always said that the Anunnaki walked the halls of the Pentagon.
And I have been told to ask you this.
What are they doing there?
Which Anunnaki are you talking about?
Good answer.
Now, you understand when I use that term, I use it in a generic sense.
Those who came down from above, those who from heaven to earth came.
Whatever.
Well, the ones...
There are all kinds of Anunnaki out there.
Okay, but the ones walking the halls of the Pentagon are the ones I'm interested in.
Most of them are good guys.
And have you met them?
I've met some of them face to face.
I'm talking about in the Pentagon.
Some of them wearing uniforms.
Okay.
Yes.
Some of them looking with three stars on their collars.
Fine.
Admirals.
Vice-admirals.
Anunnaki.
Right.
So help me God.
I believe you.
Well, they're in our midst.
And they're basically good guys.
Because they understand that there is an authority above them that is going to see that this race survives and that this race makes its transition into a transcendent new species.
Okay, then what's going on right now with our financial situation?
Oh, that's bullshit, honey.
Pardon me, but it's bullshit.
They've been playing these games with money for the last thousand years.
My old organization, the Templars, established the banking system, for Christ's sake, in the 11th century.
Okay, but there's also an issue with gold.
And there is something going down in America.
Let me tell you something about gold.
Fort Knox is half empty.
It's three of the big underground repositories are empty.
Okay, but there's tons of gold in the Philippines, suppose.
Oh, there's gold everywhere, but we've been trading gold to the Anunnaki.
And you know that the gold isn't really about money.
No, it's not about money.
It's about power.
But it's also about consciousness.
Well, gold is not merely a pretty metal which makes lovely jewelry.
It's nice to hold and it's nice to play with and all that.
The value of gold is it can be turned into ormus.
And the ormus, this white-powdered monotomy gold, is worth more than its weight in gold because the Anunnaki ingest it.
It generates their genome into immortality, for crying out loud.
And that's why we've given them half the crap in Fort Knox in trade for their technology.
And if the average American realized that Fort Knox, if they ever conducted an inventory and an audit, and realized that they only have half of what they think they've got, that we've traded the rest of it off to the Anunnaki for technology.
That's the value of gold, Carrie, and I hope that's on film.
And people will listen and say, holy conniption, you mean we don't have as much as we thought we had?
Well, you've never had as much as you thought you had.
You've been a little player in this game, and you've been manipulated for so damn long that you don't even realize That you're not even a part of the game.
You're a player.
You're just...
Okay, but we want to change that in this interview.
I know you do.
We want the people listening to realize that they can take things at hand.
And they can become aware.
And awareness alone can change your reality.
If they can inform themselves, Carrie, of who they are and what they are, they're free.
They are free.
They don't have to worry about this garbage anymore.
And they will not be...
They will not be allowed to be manipulated anymore by these other assholes out there.
Pardon my French, I'm sorry.
I'm an old command sergeant major and I sometimes lose it and use old infantry terminology.
But once the average guy out there realizes who he is, he's free.
And I hope that your viewers see that and remember that of all things.
And like what I said, told you before, let no one live in your mind rent-free.
Make sure of your facts.
The biggest problem I have, I have documents.
And everyone tells me they don't mean anything.
Well, you know what?
The Constitution is a document.
And if you don't read it and understand your rights under the Constitution, then we lose those rights.
There is no right more sacred than that right that is lost.
Stories about those actual missions that actually exist, in which we do, in fact, recover in which we do, in fact, recover A UFO crash of a whole craft is very, very rare.
Very rare.
But there are debris that's left behind.
And also there's what we call physical evidence.
And we go after that, and we recover.
Blue Book was never part of that, even during the time that Blue Book existed.
I've recently uncovered records, which I'm going to be putting on the internet, where anyone can download them.
That clearly shows the Air Force, initially the Air Force Continental Intelligence Command, the Air Force's Office of Special Investigation, the Air Force's CIC, along with the Army CIC. Was very actively involved in those programs.
So when they say they've released everything that they have on UFOs, no they haven't.
We still have those documents that were part of the Air Force Compound Security Command that have yet to be released.
Not all of the FBI, not all of the CIC documents.
Have been released.
Not all of the OSI documents have been released.
Will never be released.
No.
And when you look at the documents that we have recovered, that clearly show this to be the case, when you see these documents, you realize one thing.
They are field intelligence data.
They're not the finalized intelligence product.
That is yet to be released.
Then we can go into the 80s and the 90s.
The recovery of objects of unknown origins under moon dust and blue flight.
All we have is the raw intelligence evidence or data.
We do not have the finalized intelligence product.
And the finalized intelligence product is what's important.
Because it puts to bed once and for all what it really, really was that we recovered.
The British government, December of 2000, released a secret report.
In volume two of that report, they talk about the physical evidence that's been gathered.
They didn't lie, they just didn't know.
The British government's recovered physical evidence.
Every developed country on the face of the earth has recovered physical evidence.
But for reasons unknown to me, they want to keep it quiet.
Some are more open than others.
But the British government criticized in Volume 2 of that report, the United States Air Force, as to why the Air Force hasn't released the documentation explaining the metallic...
The objects that they've recovered, the metallic substances that they've recovered, and putting to bed once and for all the extraterrestrial hypothesis.
They can't do that because they would not put to bed once and for all the extraterrestrial hypothesis.
Many of those finalized intelligence products makes it clear That, in fact, what we've recovered were objects that did not originate on the face of this planet, and that we, the governments of the world, many of the governments of the world, out of necessity, have had open contact with our visitors for many years.
One of the biggest secrets, Cliff, and you know this, is that so much of the hardware that we've recovered was not just UFOs.
Some of the ships we recovered were time ships.
Well, absolutely.
Because when you travel in space, you travel in time.
And most of the hardware that we've got, and that really blew our minds when we realized that those things were designed to travel in time.
And as I've said to some of the people here this afternoon, I'm still trying to come to terms with that.
I need to send you some CDs.
That they can manipulate time as well as manipulate matter.
And I'm an old-fashioned old fart, and I'm still having problems wrapping my brains around that.
But Bob, you know why that is?
The technology is so far advanced that we see it as magic.
Oh, Cliff, there's a million years ahead of it.
And then some.
Uh...
NASA will tell you in their advance, I don't know how many of you people are aware of it, but in 1995, NASA said we're never going to get to other solar systems by using conventional rockets.
So they asked for scientists to think out of the box.
And many of the scientists started to think about exotic propulsion systems.
And I'm at our drive, teleportation, traversable wormholes.
And I assure you, I have the documentation.
If any of you are in Roswell, my door is not closed to anybody.
You can come over there and I'll be happy to make, on a CD, copies of those reports that they have.
And now all of that, to some people, is commonplace.
Mm-hmm.
And if you have, we've known for a long time, if you have an interstellar conveyance, which is a spacecraft capable of flying from the Earth to another solar system in a reasonable amount of time, you actually have a time machine.
Case in point.
I won't go into detail how I know this, but you have a planet that is a hundred light years from planet Earth.
They decide to visit planet Earth.
It'd take light, a hundred light years, or a hundred light years to reach us from that star.
The speed of light takes a hundred years.
So the whole situation is they can do it in real time, in an hour and forty minutes.
That's traversing what we call space time.
So when they get here, they're seeing the light from their planet a hundred light years prior.
But you can also travel in and out of different Space-time continuum, for lack of a better term.
And you can actually view things that have happened in the past.
And a lot of times, you may even experience this.
Like, you can't shake the feeling.
You're by yourself, yet there's someone else there.
There's someone watching you that could very well be a person that's from the future observing you in the present.
So, the time travel...
The one thing that...
There's a natural barrier that's going to keep us from getting that stuff.
So we develop the time machine before they do.
You mess up the entire space-time continuum that was to happen.
So God, in His infinite wisdom, ensured that would not happen.
However, that doesn't stop you from going back and observing.
But there's also...
A great desire not to do anything to change the future.
You only can change the future in the present.
If you change the future, you create a whole new universe.
Another timeline.
But that's what they're working on, aren't they?
They're working on that.
It's very dangerous.
I'm borrowing liberally from Randy Rooney.
That was one of his favorite states.
That society is willing to believe the facts when they're presented with the facts, but only if the facts already agree with what they believe.
And it holds very true in the UFO field.
Okay, so you've seen ships from the future.
What do the ships look like?
Are you asking me or Clifford?
Bobby.
Bob, if you're prepared to tell the truth about this, I'm listening.
We have many types of aircraft.
And we have many societies that are visiting us.
And you can't think of it as being an aerodynamic aircraft frame.
The circular, the common circular saucer shape, They have that.
They have a blade shape.
They even have a cube shape.
They have a spherical shape.
They have mothers out there five miles long.
Yep.
Oh yeah.
What about the plasma ships though?
The plasma ships can take it in any form they wish.
Right.
In any time they wish.
That's what's so difficult for many of our scientists to come to terms with.
We're not talking about distances.
We're talking about time.
And when these guys come here, they're coming into their past to visit us.
Because some of them are a million years ahead of us.
But you want to be careful about that, because can you imagine going back to your past and, oh, my grandparents, my ancestors did this, how do I cover this up?
Yeah, I come from a family of racists.
And that's not easy for me to come to terms with.
My old man, my father was a racist.
I had to pay $500 to have a Catholic church look up my lineage.
I had to pay him $1,500 to keep quiet about it.
Kidding.
Checked to the Vatican, did you?
Absolutely.
Oh, Jesus.
I guess they'll figure it out about next week.
You could have two teams that show up.
You could have 18 teams.
First ones there, if there were any injured entities, you had to give them first aid.
Our first aid could actually kill us.
So it was imperative that we knew which species we were dealing with and what was the appropriate first aid.
So that became crucial.
Now I wasn't even supposed to see that book.
A lot of the people that made up the team that would show up all the time, the medical staff, the key, key people.
I refused to go to school.
And later on I found out that would have been, actually in the Army, we called it Gondola Wish.
That was the Army Security Agency remote viewing program.
But at the same time, the intent of doing remote viewing, they hoped to go ahead and get a remote viewer down to at least core level where they could be utilized and be able to do it further.
Based on the experiences that I've had, I believed that I was meant to be Because while I was in Germany, I was at V Corps level.
You're familiar with that.
And even though I was in the 3rd Armored Division by being under Hanau Military Community, that was part of the 3rd Armored Division.
We were part of the 3rd Armored Division.
That made me a valuable asset to V Corps.
Only I didn't know that's what I was doing.
When this book came out, I actually got a call from a guy who was involved with the United Kingdom program.
Who told me, you know, you should look at some of those files on Stargate.
And I said, I would, only the CIA says that they have already turned them over to the National Archives.
The National Archives wants a couple thousand before they'll even start a search for those records.
So there is a site called remoteview.com.
That has some of the CIA documents going with remote viewing there.
But is stuff redacted out of it?
You know, those black lines, they're always...
There's some.
You're always going to have that.
Some of that is really necessary to protect legitimate national security concerns.
Such as?
I mean, really, let's get down to it.
What is the national security concern with regard to ET? Okay, for example, well, not with ET. Only about 5% of that needs to be.
We were always told not all contact is going to be of a friendly nature.
I never had anything happen that was really, really bad.
Actually, this eye right here, for their interaction, I still have this eye.
And you'll read about that in the book.
But I almost lost that eye in Vietnam.
And the reason the eye was damaged was there was this bug they had in Vietnam that sprayed into my eye and cut the corona of the eye.
The cornea of the eye.
So go ahead and figure out what insect can do that.
But that was the reason I had it damaged up for well over a week.
Clifford, you were talking earlier about why the damn lid has been clamped down and why it's still being held down.
Well, the reason is they dug themselves into a hole.
How do you tell the world that there is life out there, not only is it out there, but it's been visiting us for many, many, many, many, many years, going into the Millennials?
Now, how do you go and tell an unsuspecting worldwide public that this is the case?
And when you do this, there will be repercussions.
Actually, during the time of Stargate, they did an exercise in remote viewing going back to the time of Christ.
They saw the crucifixion.
You need to go and take a look at it.
That remote viewing training exercise they did.
But use it and do it with great care because when you...
Oh, but remember, I still believe in God and I still believe Christ is the Son of God.
But you also have to remember that everything in the universe is interrelated.
We're all part of a vast family.
Absolutely.
God created everything in the universe and then the Son.
They have a greater understanding.
Like when I say, you know, they say, okay, describe ET. Well, if you see them, you see us.
Because...
We say that we're human.
Are they more human than us?
They've got a highly evolved intelligence.
But what I say is that humanity is within all the races.
And the spirituality is within the nations.
I would say it the reverse.
All the races are in humanity.
And that is the big secret.
And when we realize that is when we realize our power, our true power.
When...
And then they really can't keep us down.
When I was praying at my son's grave, one of the ETs that was there knelt with him and prayed to us as we prayed.