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Feb. 8, 2012 - Project Camelot

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PROJECT CAMELOT: BILL BROCKBRADER AKA WOOD FOLLOW UP INTERVIEW FEB 4 2012

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	I was wondering just what do they know
	Because it seems like Hi there, this is Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot, and we are going live on livestream with Bill Brockbrader and Eva Moore.
	In the background is a song that someone has written.
	Bill, do you want to give that person any kind of attribute or anything?
	Yeah, let me pull that up.
	I wanted to thank Greg Beshears for creating that song.
	He sent that to me today, and I listened to the words, and I absolutely love what it says, so thank you, Greg.
	Great.
	Okay.
	What's going on is that we are going to be doing a second follow-up interview here with Bill Brockrader, a.k.a.
	Bill Wood.
	He came out under an assumed name initially to protect himself and his Well, close family, etc.
	And he knew that eventually he would be discovered on the Internet, as sure enough did happen, but it gave him a little leeway in the beginning.
	Sort of, as it happened, he needed that leeway.
	And he's going to explain why.
	At this moment, I'm going to just let Bill Brockbrader go ahead.
	The first thing we're going to address is the questions from the Navy SEALs.
	In regard to his training and he's going to say whatever he is allowed to say or whatever he feels comfortable saying that keeps him safe and keeps him within his classified status without breaking that I guess.
	So go ahead Bill.
	The first thing that I need to say about all the questions that are coming out from the Navy SEALs and all the answers that they want as far as my training background and what I've done is that they understand that they are bound by the same confidentiality agreement that they signed that I signed.
	And to explain to the layman what a confidentiality agreement is, is if you discuss any classified or top secret information that you acquired in your time in service, the description that I've been given is that they will throw you in a hole, and then they will throw away the hole.
	And I think everybody understands that those prisons do exist, that there are some prisoners in this country that nobody knows about, and they are in these places, these prisons that don't exist.
	So I will abstain from being led into the trap that the Navy SEALs want me to discuss and reveal my training and background and what I have done in my time of service.
	And I do apologize for that, but there is some security issues that I have been dealing Certainly, I could point to the fact that my true identity was found and outed almost immediately after the interview.
	Carrie can speak to some people that have directly gone after her and me very openly, one of which is a former Navy SEAL that Informational website,
	and obviously he spends a lot of time and effort on, but I believe it also indicates that he does have some government ties, and he is involved in the information or disinformation game about Navy SEALs and keeping their secrets a secret.
	There was also another gentleman that is involved in a very It's a private investigations company, but it also I'm making Carrie and my life miserable.
	And that is the primary reason why the information has come out.
	Now, since maybe Sills have asked me some questions, I would like to ask them two questions.
	And maybe this would help people understand what's really going on in the world right now.
	Senior Chief Shipley, Don Shipley is the former native son who's been going after me.
	He's been making some very broad statements on the internet and calling me a liar and saying that SIL Team 9 doesn't exist.
	And he's been providing a lot of information that I would challenge as how would he know.
	Certainly, I don't think Senior Chief Shipley I could ever create it in the military.
	Every secret military team ever created in the military.
	So I'm going to ask Senior Chief Shipley this one thing.
	If you could address this, then I think everybody will completely understand where I'm coming from.
	If SEAL Team 9 doesn't exist, why doesn't it exist?
	Why did they skip the number 9 when they created SEAL Teams?
	Everybody's very well aware that up until very recently, like last year, end of last year, SIL Team 6 didn't exist either.
	And the same information would have come out.
	Deny, deny, deny.
	Everybody would have said SIL Team 6 doesn't exist.
	And, you know, these guys are a bunch of liars if they say it does.
	But we found out different.
	Over time, the truth came out.
	They use that information to create a nice little publicity campaign and, you know, tout that we killed Osama Bin Laden.
	Yay, America!
	But I don't think America and our government has a very good track record of telling us the truth.
	And that's what we're really trying to talk about today, is the truth.
	Certainly there's mountains of information from what I call the Department of Disinformation, and they're working feverishly.
	A few hours after I woke up this morning, I was getting dozens of emails asking why the show had been canceled.
	I didn't know why the show had been cancelled, but information has been put out there that the show was cancelled, and I found that very interesting.
	I know Carrie will back me up on this.
	There has been a massive amount of pressure on her to not let this show go through, and she has been doggedly determined to make sure it happens.
	So we need to thank Carrie for putting her butt on the line, just as much as I'm putting my butt on the line.
	So, Kerry, thank you.
	And I would also like to ask one more question to the SEAL teams.
	And everybody that is not in the military or still in the military, there is no such thing as an ex-Navy SEAL. You are always a Navy SEAL if you are a Navy SEAL. My question is, why aren't you guys doing what I'm doing?
	Why is it up to me?
	Why aren't you obeying your oaths?
	You swore to protect and defend this Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies foreign and domestic.
	Just as I did.
	Nobody will deny we both took that oath.
	So why is it up to me?
	Why is it up to me?
	Why aren't you guys stepping up?
	Why aren't you doing your jobs?
	If you're the true Navy SEALs, why is it the fake Navy SEAL, according to you, is doing all the hard work?
	And standing up and being a leader and trying to help people understand the truth about this country.
	Because I know all of you have information that this country needs to understand that there's things going on that...
	The average citizen has no idea about the war effort and what we do to create war.
	What we do to create terrorism.
	National security is a threat because we create the threat And every one of you knows it.
	And every one of you could stand up and say something that supported my message and fix this country, and you haven't done it.
	So answer those two questions.
	Why knows Siltine 9?
	And why aren't you helping fix this country?
	Because you know it's broken.
	Thank you, Kerry.
	Okay.
	Thank you very much, Bill.
	I appreciate that statement very much.
	And I agree.
	We have been under a lot of pressure.
	In fact, I have gotten in touch with a lawyer to give me some guidance in terms of, because I am an investigative journalist, and I needed to know what my rights are under these circumstances.
	Tonight, during this broadcast, Bill Brock Rader, aka Bill Wood, may say some things or name some names that I am not aware of in advance, as did happen in the interview, simply because that's not how we operate.
	I do not vet the information before we release it.
	This is a live broadcast in which I will ask questions.
	Bill will present some materials, some evidence, And he will send you to some links that have evidence posted as well.
	Project Camelot is protected legally from certain issues simply because of the way we've decided to do this broadcast.
	So I just want people to understand that we do not wish to be embroiled in sort of legalese and spend our time defending A bunch of nonsense in court, etc., etc.
	That's just a waste of our energy.
	So we want to focus on the ball, so to speak, here in 2012, and we'd like to move along.
	But with that said, we do want Bill to bring forward as much evidence as he can muster and direct your attention to that evidence in whatever way he sees fit during this broadcast.
	So, Bill, at this point, I know that there are many, many questions still in the audience, and I'm getting a live stream chat.
	We have Tommy, my webmaster, who's going to be helping behind the scenes to gather up the questions.
	Hopefully those questions will go into CAPS and also...
	If anyone can assist him to gather them onto one Skype and then Tommy can Skype them over to me, that would be great because it becomes very difficult to watch the stream go by when we have so many listeners, live listeners, as you can appreciate.
	Real quick, if I could ask, have you put the link up on chat for the reference materials that I'm going to be giving out to people?
	Okay.
	Tommy would have put that on the page, which is at projectcamelot.tv, but he's listening to this, and so I will ask him to do so.
	So, Tommy, if you could please post that link into the chat for people.
	I believe it's also been posted, I think, on the forums.
	So I believe it's on Avalon and Camelot forums for people that would like to get to the evidence right away, but you will be able to see it after this broadcast as well.
	After this broadcast, this will continue to be live-streamed, as all our broadcasts are.
	It will also be downloaded and put up to YouTube as quickly as we can manage it, so be patient.
	And it will continue to be free to anyone and everyone.
	We are asking for donations.
	This takes a lot of time for us to get one of these things together.
	We have people like my webmaster working behind the scenes.
	He's using an old computer.
	We need to buy him a new one.
	Anyone who can help us in these ways, we do appreciate it.
	So, at this point, I do want to say this broadcast was never in danger of being cancelled in any way.
	That was a disinfo campaign.
	We tweeted in lives and Facebook immediately to let people know that that was a fake sort of attack on us.
	At this time, our servers are being attacked.
	So I'm going to ask people to be patient with Project Camelot.tv.
	If you have friends that want to listen, they should be clicking on the direct live stream link to get here if they're having trouble because they are attacking our servers in force at this time.
	And Tommy's, as always, doing an incredible job.
	So thank you, Tommy.
	Go right ahead, Bill.
	I would like you to move forward in the direction you would like to at this moment.
	Perfect, thank you.
	I would like to start off by talking about the donations, because I've been...
	Well, I've had questions about the $1 donation that I've been asking for, so let me give you a little bit more information about that.
	What that has been doing is allowing me to find the people throughout the world, I might add, that are interested in helping the people that want to do some good in the world, that are ready to stand up that are interested in helping the people that want to do some good in the
	So I wanted everybody to know that I have had a very good time knowing just how many people are aware We're ready to stand up and do something to change the country.
	Certainly, where the donations are coming from is the most important aspect of this.
	All over the world, 13 different countries in four different currencies so far.
	It has been truly amazing how many people have stood up and wanted to do something.
	What I'm going to do is so people know who they are, I am going to cut off kind of the list of donations after this broadcast.
	And so everybody that's donated this far, whenever I talk about the captains of life, that's you guys.
	That's who has stepped up first.
	And since in Navy rank, captains are probably the most important officers in the Navy, that's why I'm using that, and it makes it easy for me to talk.
	Everybody afterwards will be commanders of light.
	So what I want everybody to do, since you're ready to do something, is get that link that Tommy's putting up with all those reference materials, and you're going to find that Senior Chief Don Shipley and the Special Investigator, his title is Forensic Psychological Investigative Criminologist.
	I don't know what that means, but it sounds really important.
	His name is Dennis Chevalier.
	And those two gentlemen...
	We need to hear everybody's voice and understand that we are ready to stand up for something good in this world.
	I don't want any negative.
	I don't want any attacks.
	I want you to send them your love and your light and to show them That there is more people out there than they could possibly imagine that are ready to do something for change.
	And hopefully that will be a nice little demonstration slash exercise of the ability that we do have to affect change if we stick together, if we work together, and if we show people as a group what's going on in this country.
	Like David and I talked about in the last interview, we both see the changes.
	We both know what's going on and how people are changing their attitudes, and they're not going to accept fear anymore, they're not going to accept being bullied, and they're not going to accept the propaganda The people that are trying to do the most good in the world so as to disvalue the information and the truths that they're putting up.
	So if you guys could, you know, be good captains of light and express that you want them.
	To understand that there is support out there for what Kerry is doing, for what I'm doing, for what David is doing, for what Eve is doing.
	And that things need to change, and that you are going to help with that change, and no amount of disinformation that they put out will bring that...
	Not make that happen.
	Okay, Bill, I just want to interrupt you here one second because a lot of people are curious about Eva.
	Obviously she's a new name and a new face.
	Could you introduce her briefly anyway at this point?
	You know, I'd like to keep with whatever schedule protocols you'd like to have, but I do want you to at least give her some kind of introduction.
	We will try to bring her on screen during the time when she's actively involved and try to focus on you when that's not happening.
	But yes, if you could please give her background.
	Yeah, let's bring her in right now because I think she's Everybody that has seen my second interview with David and Carrie and Bill knows Eva.
	They may not know it, but during the interview I did kind of blur it out of nowhere about this person that I was having this connection with during all the chaos that I was going through to get to safety.
	And I will, after Eva speaks, talk about Where I've gone and what I'm doing and the kind of support that I'm getting.
	But I mentioned that there was this person that I had this special connection with.
	You know, on my mind during the interview.
	I had only spoken to her, we had exchanged emails twice, and I was too busy to understand, you know, what was going on with this connection.
	But I think it would be nice to have Eva explain kind of what was going on on her end during that part of the interview.
	Okay.
	Are you ready, Carrie?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Go ahead.
	Okay.
	I can't hear you, Carrie.
	Is that normal?
	Oh, sorry.
	Yes, I'm sorry.
	What I do is everyone should mute themselves when the other person is talking.
	That way we avoid a looping audio thing.
	But I'm sorry, I forgot to unmute myself.
	So yes, absolutely.
	Go right ahead.
	Okay.
	Well, first of all, I want to start by thanking you, Carrie.
	And...
	I just see this as such an exciting time in this world.
	And I come forward today as a civilian, just an everyday, average person who has followed a golden thread of information that led to another packet of information and then folded into another packet of information set that led to Bill.
	When he came forward, I had just recently somehow stumbled upon Kay Griggs' interview with Reverend Strawcutter in 1998.
	I think it was the original date.
	And Kay Griggs was a phenomenal role model for me.
	If I were to back up, I'd say, you know, through my own personal experiences, I've sought out strong females and...
	I'd say Naomi Wolf was probably the first person that brought me forward into understanding what was happening in the United States in her End of America documentary where she documents systematically for listeners or viewers to really understand What the steps are.
	And they're a blueprint.
	And she organized them for people to be able to really have a primer, I guess as she calls it, to understand this is what a would-be despot would do to destabilize a country.
	So then, you know, that set the tone for me to really be present to what's unfolding in our current situation globally.
	And Kay Griggs, anyways, Kay Griggs, I stumbled upon her not too long ago, and I see this fierce woman come forward with such a brave heart, and I just want to thank her on behalf of all military personnel.
	She came forward in 1998 on behalf of all of these people.
	And had the courage to put it out there.
	And her knowledge was based on her husband, who was a colonel, who was in charge of dirty tricks, and a journal that she had photocopied.
	And she presented the information to the Reverend Straubhider.
	And, you know, in that, she goes into, specifically, the lifestyle of SEALs.
	And she does go into, specifically, the Navy SEALs.
	SEAL Team, I can't remember which one it was, but it was, I think, SEAL Team 6.
	And she speaks about how...
	Sorry?
	Are we back?
	Hold on one second.
	We're working on that.
	Okay.
	Interesting.
	Yeah.
	Now, still live, and I don't think that it actually broke up on the live stream.
	It just broke up on the Skype.
	So, sorry you were interrupted there, Eva.
	That's all right.
	We're going to continue this.
	I think what, you know, the trigger word was the NS. The Navy SEAL. So, let's go and try to continue with this.
	Go right ahead.
	So we were saying SEAL Team 8, I believe.
	SEAL Team 8 was the trigger?
	Okay.
	So, Kate Griggs talks about a SEAL Team in Virginia Beach, and she talks about the transgressions.
	In her interview in 1998, this is, you know, it's been out there for a while, she talks about how, you know, they...
	Picked a girl in a bar, a beautiful young woman, I think she was a doctor, gang raped her, and she was strangled to death.
	And in her documentary case speaks about how nothing much came of that.
	So, you know, to hear this, you know, well-kept, well-to-do, socialite woman who's very educated, speak passionately and fervently about what she believes is necessary to come forward, As a patriot, to share with everyone, expect that.
	That was my trademark for when I witnessed Bill's first interview.
	And thank God to her.
	Thank you, Kate, for having the courage to come forward.
	So again, she validates the lifestyle transgressions and how they're used to keep personnel in line.
	And to ensure that they then are able to have clearance.
	She validates her husband having prior knowledge to 9-11, which would also coincide with Bill's comments about this village that was then blown up.
	She does say that there was a direct correlation between the Navy SEALs And the building systematically of assassins to then have the option to blame the arrows.
	And she goes into secret societies and, you know, the nurturing that goes into systematically pulling out special, they call them special rising stars.
	And they have a criteria, and one is...
	You know, prior sexual abuse at a young age.
	And, you know, that fits into the mind control patterning as well.
	And so this is what the thread I followed was that led me to what would seem like these weird, uncorrelated instances actually having the mind control thread Let me ask you this, Eva.
	So, in terms of your own personal information, though, are you simply coming forward to reiterate the information from Griggs, or did you have anything And, you know, if it's not right now, that's fine.
	We can do it later, whatever organization you guys have going on.
	But basically, people are going to wonder, is your information, is there any direct information that you have to give in regard to this case or things related to this case?
	Or are you simply coming on to sort of reiterate the evidence that was brought forward by other people like Griggs?
	Okay.
	My involvement and my coming forward today is as a civilian who has my own personal experience that is not related directly to what Bill's bringing forward.
	But what I'm coming forward is as someone who's had kind of an aha moment and shared it with Bill.
	In that, I believe, Carrie, in this first interview, you directly asked Bill if What he experienced was mind control.
	And what we have discovered in conversations is that he actually had no prior big picture understanding of the systematic nature, the pattern, the pathological pattern that is running Through society.
	And he said no to you.
	And he said, well, I felt like I was, you know, my mind was destroyed.
	But he didn't actually get that there's others out there.
	And how crucial his coming forward on behalf of all of these people has already, through a quantum perspective, transformed the collective pathology.
	He's already demonstrated that you can come forward as a fallible human being who's not perfect, who has committed transgressions, who had them used against him, and he's owned it.
	He's stepped up, and he has brought forward, even in the face of all that humiliation, vital information.
	And so through our conversations, and this is why Bill is asking me to come forward is to share, you know, what I brought to him and what I saw in him and what has now come forward.
	My background, because of what I've gone through, I've been studying something called hologramics for the past five years and it's basically a mash-up of all the different sciences and it's the application of holographics, the applications of quantum physics, Developmental science and information theory.
	That allowed me to be present to what Bill brought forward and create the space for him to then take the next step forward.
	Okay.
	Well, thank you.
	That's lovely, and I appreciate your statement.
	That's great.
	And it is absolutely true and important.
	At this point, Bill, simply because people, you know, we're trying to move with this sort of moving target here, and people are going to be very much curious.
	In terms of the mystery guest, is Eva the mystery guest, or do you have another person who was coming forward?
	And is there...
	Did you want to go in a certain direction at this point?
	No.
	Eva is the mystery guest.
	Like she was saying, when we began to speak after the second interview, she had a tremendous amount of knowledge and insight into what I've gone through.
	She'd been studying the effects of mind control and what's been done to many, many military members as well as people in civilian society and how this has affected all of the people that have the information that could come forward Could offer more of
	the picture than just me.
	And I think it's very critical that she will be able to talk about these issues.
	And I'm hoping, I'm hoping beyond hope, that her perspective will affect people the way it's affected me.
	And that it is A massive problem, and it's a massive problem that she's been studying for a very long time, and hopefully it will give other people the courage to understand that there are people out there,
	number one, that understand what you have gone through, and number two, that can help with the nonsense and garbage that seemingly controls people's lives just like a controlled mind.
	I was ultimately always hung up on the control that the military had over me with my charges and never thought people would listen to me because of what I'd done.
	She has proven that that is not the case and that the insight that she has, I think, would make it possible For people to come forward,
	say what's happened to them, and get the help that they need because she has also shown me that there's a bunch of people out there that would bend over backwards to help people in the military and people in society that have been hurt by these people that would use individuals Like pods in her own little sick game.
	A lot of information that she has validates things that David Wilcox has said in Financial Tyranny as well.
	So I think that it's critical that, you know, she was able to come on and I think she'll speak a lot to some of the hard-to-believe issues and hard-to-believe information just because it's so sick and so vile that it's It's tough to understand that there is these elite people that would use people for the
	most horrible, horrible purposes that anybody could possibly imagine.
	Well, thank you for that.
	Thank you.
	Maybe at this point, though, people will be wondering, you wanted to bring forward some evidence, right, in regard to certain things, and I'm not sure how you want to proceed in that regard, but maybe you should start off with that?
	Okay.
	Yeah, let's do that.
	Basically, Carrie, you kind of touched on it.
	There is a system out there that if they can't intimidate you into being quiet, they will hurt you.
	And you mentioned the legal way.
	They will come after you legally on baseless charges and Cause you to spend massive amounts of time, massive amounts of money, and massive amounts of effort, so that you can't focus on the task at hand, which is, you know, doing some good.
	I did say, and I will speak to the information that I do have, I did...
	I do have some information.
	If everybody has that link open, Can go ahead and check out those zip files, that zip file, because I will be addressing the information in that zip file.
	I am going to be speaking about some personal things.
	I am going to be addressing some issues that people are probably going to find hard to believe.
	But the real issue with my investigations in Las Vegas was determining that The real crime problem in Las Vegas had nothing to do with the criminals.
	It had to do with the law enforcement.
	Let me begin by saying that in the end of 08, the beginning of 09, I'll just start off with my experiences and how I know about this criminal enterprise that exists.
	I made a choice to turn away my DIA handlers and tell them that I wouldn't play along anymore, I guess is the best way, and cut off all contact.
	Shortly after that, if everybody could reference Police Incident 3309, that is a document of a police report.
	My girlfriend at the time She was arrested for a crime that she did not commit, but it didn't matter.
	The cops did it because they could, not because there was an actual crime committed.
	If you read through that document, you will find some shocking information.
	The charge that she was given was a solicitation of prostitution.
	I was able to get in the middle of what was happening, and I did see the crimes that were committed by these officers.
	Number one, they made these accusations with no evidence, only their good work to back up any allegations of crime.
	Number two, they were drinking during this investigation and consumed a massive amount of alcohol.
	During this time that they were conducting this investigation.
	They arrested several other women during this time.
	And I was able to get to where Holly was being arrested before she was taken away.
	And I watched three officers from Las Vegas Metro Police Department haul away three officers Women each in unmarked cars and took them to Clark County Detention Center after drinking.
	It is absolutely abhorrible and excusable and unexcusable that after these allegations were discovered to be true, that every one of these women had to spend $2,000 on an attorney.
	An attorney's name is Michael Gowdy, who's quite famous in Las Vegas, so if anybody doubts my word, they can go ahead and check this out through him, but there's also public records that this can all be backed up with.
	The only thing that happened was when they discovered that they were caught doing these wrongs, they simply dropped the charges.
	And they know that they got away with it.
	There can't be any complaint.
	There can't be any investigation because they're the ones that control the investigating.
	They're the ones that control the fact that the police department can get away with these things because they are also the people that investigate themselves.
	That led to many, many minor incidents of police harassment during this time and me becoming increasingly belligerent to the police and pointing out these actions and how I was now stating that they were breaking the law, that they were acting like the criminals, and that they were the biggest problem in Las Vegas as far as crime works.
	That led up to the events of April 23rd of 2011.
	On that day, I was arrested on the way to a show, a fitness competition, where I was charged with the crime of failure to register as a sex offender.
	You will see three documents.
	One is a complaint for an injunction, second is an injunction, and the third is a letter to the presiding judge.
	I think I can easily say that those three documents made prosecuting me for the crime that I was charged with absolutely impossible.
	The fourth document that you will see is the district attorney's dismissal of my charges.
	And again, this is the second time in my life that I've been involved in police charging, arresting, and dropping the charges.
	I also have significant amount of evidence that they had every intention of continuing to arrest me And drop the charges to harass my life as much as humanly possible.
	There's also one thing that I need to kind of point out to everybody that really tells a story about what's going on.
	This is not the first time that I've been investigated by a major private investigation firm.
	If everybody wants to check out dbeckerinvestigations.com You can see a website that is dedicated, and if you look at the history tab, you will see that there are several brothers that run this investigations firm.
	I've also included in there a file that's called Dvecker HTM. A difference between the current site and the former site.
	Apparently the Becker's didn't realize that Google archives web pages.
	So I pulled the archive off after they changed it.
	And you'll notice that on the one that I'm giving you, there's a Brian Becker.
	And that he gives his information out quite clearly about what he does for a living.
	I would point out that because Detective DeBecker works for the Las Vegas Metro Police Department and this private investigations firm.
	That is a firm conflict of interest.
	That is against the law.
	And they took Brian DeBecker's name off the website so I couldn't show people this information.
	But I think it's very telling that once they know that I found the website and that I knew that they were committing a crime, that they took his name off in order to hide the truth.
	Unfortunately, I was able to get the truth before they could destroy it.
	I've also included another link.
	This is Brian DeBecker's shooting incident in the list of links from the Las Vegas Review Journal.
	I think everybody should check that out because one of my other allegations against the Metro Police Department is that they are able to murder and assassinate people and let themselves get away with it because they control the judicial process that makes it so they're the ones that determine if their own shootings were Justifiable
	or not.
	In the system that they have, they present to a jury only the evidence that they want the jury to hear that exonerates them.
	During this process, and it's been highly debated in Las Vegas, you can do some research on it, but there is no contrary information.
	So if you're a jurist and you're only given one side of the story, there's only one way you can decide because you have no contrary information.
	I've also included three other links of three other separate shootings.
	One gentleman was shot in the back with handcuffs on.
	Another gentleman was shot without a weapon.
	And then a very famous case is the last one, or I'm sorry, is the second link by a gentleman from West Point.
	And I'm trying not to name names.
	People can look this up on their own if they want the names and discover what's really going on in Las Vegas.
	This gentleman was at a Costco and the police department was called in because somebody saw him with a weapon.
	This gentleman was a West Point graduate and had concealed weapons from it and was challenged about That weapon and directly address the people that he had a concealed weapons permit.
	This gentleman was shot dead in front of Costco by Las Vegas Metro Police Department, three officers, while attempting to turn over to the officers his holstered weapon.
	There was no threat, he couldn't have hurt anybody with it, and he was trying to do the right thing.
	And they shot him.
	And they killed him.
	The article on Detective DeBecker shows that he's actually been involved in three shooting incidents.
	And so it puts me in genuine fear when somebody that has a record of killing three people as a police officer for no justifiable reason other than he can get away with it, now coming after me.
	That's the level that we're talking about at.
	Okay, Bill...
	These are where I'm coming from when I say that I've done some investigations and I've found some major things going on.
	And these are issues that are radiating throughout Las Vegas right now.
	And the average citizen does know that there's a massive problem with what the police department is doing and I think it bears that it gets some more than national attention because It is very much the fact that right now,
	currently, it would be very easy for the FBI to investigate and charge the Las Vegas Metro Police Department on RICO charges, acting as a criminal organization based on the law, if they chose to.
	And that I would like to bring out.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Bill.
	But I have to say that at this moment, what we're dealing with is a secret government that uses that notion with poetic license, let's say, and goes far above and beyond what that police department is probably guilty of on a daily basis.
	And so what we need to do is, simply because this is Project Camelot and I appreciate that information, I think that having it out there will be a good thing to have, no doubt about it.
	But I know that our listeners are most interested to know, in sort of a little bit more general terms, how this pertains to Your story and to added information that we are attempting to bring forward in this interview simply about your experience possibly as a remote viewer to look beyond looking glass and
	possibly clarifying some things that are still left unanswered.
	We are gathering questions as we go here and I'm hoping that at a certain point we'll be able to go to that list of questions and answer the questions that are in the audience.
	But people are basically saying that they know that police departments, I know certainly police departments around the country are guilty of all kinds of acts of sort of unprovoked violence, etc.
	But how does this pertain to your sort of story at this time And how can we place this in a little bit better context in terms of who you are and the fact that you are a Navy SEAL who worked on above top secret missions?
	Okay.
	What I'm doing, Kerry, is this is such a broad subject and there's so much information that has been layered on top of layers on top of layers that it is important that I... Peel the layers back of this story so I can show people from start to beginning how this system works.
	And the system is based on a lot of different pieces of information.
	Eva has some more insight that she could share about this little secret world and how It operates and how this first layer of this police corruption covers up another layer of criminality that David Wilcox also spoke about in Financial Charity.
	Eva, do you want to kind of go into that and address that?
	Yes.
	Okay, so again, I come forward as a civilian to My capacity right now is to be present with what is out there and just share with the listeners some may or may not have the understanding.
	I think for the most part your viewers are very well educated on all of these issues.
	I'm just presenting what I feel is Valid to Bill.
	And what then, in that sharing with Bill, involved the consciousness of the conversation that Bill was then able to be present to.
	So a lot of this has, in my limited civilian understanding, just research that I could do, has to do with, you know, Project Paperclip,
	The experiments that happened in Auschwitz, the level of knowledge that they had about compartmentalization, the research also that they gained from Japan at the end of World War II, the research that they did in Unit 731, I believe it was, and human experiments, and then that went to work.
	It went through Project Paperclip, and that was Truman.
	It went through all different areas of society, from what I understand.
	Military, political, governance.
	You see it in the Catholic school system, in the reservation, the way the reservation people were treated.
	I think the key is that there's two forms of mind control.
	There's the original trauma-based mind control that so many people have suffered from.
	And you have so many people coming forward independently, separate from one another, with very similar stories.
	And Bill was not aware of any of these people.
	And this is why I think it's important, is that there are other people out there.
	And this is why I come forward today to say, you know, There are other people out there who went through the things that Bill's gone through, and people like Kathleen O'Brien and Bryce Taylor and Arizona Wilder and Duncan, you know, who, again, it seems so isolated and weird, like, oh, that's strange.
	But then if you understand...
	And can get a primer, like Naomi presents with the destabilization of society, if you have a primer to understand the systematic ritualistic abuse that happens to these people, then you can identify it in all of these separate categories where you would think they're unrelated, but they're not.
	And so when you get that big picture actually coming into a focus, and then you understand that it's now gone to another layer from trauma-based monocultural into electro- Magnetic mind control for the masses.
	That is huge!
	Because then you understand somebody like Bill shouldn't be here.
	He shouldn't have the capacity to come forward and override that systematic pathological abuse that was, you know, years worth of research gone into implementation.
	And he found a way, you know, through neuroplasticity or, you know, spirituality.
	He's Somehow bypassed that blackness and channeled his own consciousness through it.
	And then, in the face of all of this dehumanization, had the capacity to find a way to come forward on behalf of all of these people.
	And in my view, based on a holographic principle, we understand in nature, you don't...
	You don't get a problem coming forward without the solution already being present.
	Whether or not we have the capacity to be present to the solution is the conversation that I'd like to bring out today.
	Right?
	Because it's really...
	Okay.
	Yep?
	Could you go specifically into Kathy O'Brien?
	That's a very important piece to what I need to share.
	Okay.
	So Kathy O'Brien, from my understanding, is a very unique...
	Brave woman.
	And we did include a link to her most recent lecture that she gave, I think it was about two years ago.
	In it as well, Dr.
	Colin Ross was present.
	He is head of the Ross Institute, who I've also, you know, had the privilege to speak with in regards to that.
	Thank you, Dr.
	Ross.
	He's written two books on CIA mind control and the doctors and the...
	The associations behind, you know, this momentum, this pathological implementation of mind control.
	So there are people that have been identified as experts.
	I am a civilian who's done some research.
	Okay.
	But with that in mind, and I absolutely mean no offense, and thank you, you know, very much, Eva, for coming forward in this sort of unusual...
	Situation to speak on behalf of Bill, but what we have to do is simply because this group of listeners are very familiar with mind control.
	I've had Colin Ross on my radio show actually more than once, and we have Duncan O'Finney is probably the most well-known individual, the super soldier on Project Camelot, but there are many others.
	And, in fact, I would venture to say that every whistleblower I've dealt with has been a victim, if you want to call that, of being a victim of mind control.
	The general populace is, of course, being exposed to this as we speak, electromagnetically, etc.
	And I really appreciate that you are somebody who has investigated this in depth.
	But I do have a very restless group of listeners here, and what we need to do is kind of drill down A little quicker into the nuts and bolts of Bill's experience because lots of people can go out and watch on YouTube Kathy O'Brien and read her books, etc.
	So rather than reiterate that, let's bring Bill and why don't you talk specifically about your experience perhaps during the six months that at least you remember being messed with mentally.
	And perhaps if you'd like to go into the years before that, what, what else might've been going on, uh, with, with your team members even?
	I think it would be extremely beneficial, Carrie, if, uh, I let Eva finish what she was talking about, about Kathy O'Brien, because we are definitely going somewhere with it.
	Um, You certainly have to understand the background to what I need to talk about, and Eva can present that far better than I can about some things that I need to disclose, and so if you could please, Eva, Speak specifically on Kathy O'Brien, her experiences, and what that led to with Corey.
	Please.
	Okay.
	Well, I mean, Kathy came forward and she shared without fear, you know, her presidential experiences, and she needed names, right?
	That's a good deal.
	And I think it's important, Terry, if Bill can come forward without knowing the totality of what he experienced and that there is a systematic approach to it and that there are others,
	that's important to identify because then that means there's so many more people out there that have been in Bill's shoes that perhaps Could identify with some of the more specific, you know, tactics of the Navy SEALs,
	experienced military ops and whatnot, but the fact that he's come forward without the full picture and understanding it, that is pathologic, too, in our society, that we don't, even the people it's having to may not be, including everyday people who are exposed to it, right?
	So that's what I really wanted to stress.
	Sorry if I say too long.
	Cassie O'Brien and Cory.
	Well, I think what you're alluding to, Bill, is Bill, because of his background in Las Vegas, which is why I think also it's important that he brought forward the information he just did, he was exposed to a variety of public figures.
	And, you know, Cassie O'Brien had Roseanne Barr come forward to introduce her.
	And, you know, Bryce Taylor speaks about Bob Hope and the, you know, influence that Bob Hope had in Hollywood.
	And then you have people like Cory who come forward and announce that they're going to expose...
	Cory Feldman!
	Yeah, Cory Feldman.
	Expose, you know, high-level Hollywood people, players, as pedophiles.
	Kathy O'Brien states very clearly that it originated with her father.
	So she was sexually abused and also her father took child pornographic images and would market them out.
	And what would happen is the CIA had passed through the mafia on the child pornography rings and they would source out these parents who were You know, exposing their children to child pornography because it meant that they had experienced torture of some sort or some kind of trauma between the ages of 0 and 6.
	That applies to Bill.
	The reason why they wanted to seek out these children is because they understood a couple of things.
	One was that it set the foundation for compartmentalization of their conscious brain and would then Seek them out, also with the understanding that it would heighten their senses.
	So, in Cathy's words, what this trauma does is it blasts you into parts of your brain that the majority of our civilization isn't encouraged to understand or evolve with.
	Probably on purpose.
	But when trauma occurs, it's like bodybuilding.
	You lift something really heavy, you get microtrauma to the tissue, Your body goes to build a better system to make sure that trauma doesn't happen again.
	So what Kathy explains is her visual acuity was heightened.
	Her sixth sense was heightened.
	You know, psychic is the word she used, you know, and that would explain perhaps why, you know, and I don't...
	Bill was chosen for one of...
	I mean, there's lots, and I don't know about Duncan.
	I may have missed some of Duncan's interviews, but it seems to be that the fundamental key first part is that there has to be some kind of trauma that is experienced from zero to six, and that's the theta person.
	And then, you know, Bill, is that what you wanted me to speak on?
	Well, and, you know, basically, in Corey's show, He states that the biggest problem in Hollywood is pedophilia.
	And what I can tell the listeners is I can back him up 100%.
	There is just the most massive amount of vile control over I would say most are all actors, especially child actors and actresses, singers, superstars, models.
	The elite treat Hollywood like they're personal play toys.
	And one thing that I do have some experience with being in Las Vegas and participating in all the activities that I did Is that I did get the opportunity to meet Cory and spend some time with him.
	And Cory may not remember me, but I guarantee he would remember Tony and Hope and Joy and Brett and know that we have spent a lot of time together.
	We did have a conversation together.
	And he is very desirous to write a book.
	And blow the lid off of all of the vileness, and all the disgusting, and name names, and tell people exactly what David was saying, this Namblin issue.
	It goes deeper and harder than anybody could possibly imagine.
	And I think if I can say one thing to Corey, it's that he should definitely consider seeking out Mars Callahan.
	And he and Mars could definitely seek out Holly and Holly would find me and we could get them to a safe place where they could tell their story and not worry about anything happening to them that would be bad or anybody that could come after them and hurt them.
	And I don't know their experiences.
	I can't testify to their experiences.
	But certainly there's been enough conversations that I believe that there is plenty of people and that Corey is ready to come forward and would come forward if he knew he could do so safely.
	So as somebody that I've spent time conversing with, Corey, if you really want To get rid of all this garbage that's in your head and that you fear just like I feared.
	There's help.
	There's plenty of people that would fix what's broken and you could really come forward and show that the people that run this country Are the people that are destroying this country.
	And they do so at the most disgusting and diabolical rate.
	And they hurt people indiscriminately.
	And if you are disgusted and appalled by the things that I have admitted to in my life, then you should take the time to pay attention and understand How bad it is, and how much it happens and how there's people out there that this has been happening to their entire lives and they can't do anything about it because they're so entrenched in being alone.
	And my impression, it quite simply is.
	And even as I didn't fight it in me.
	So I would like to present that as something that I could...
	Well, and like, Bill didn't even see the correlation, and that's what I'm saying.
	I followed this thread, and what seems like these compartmentalized weirdness issues, you know, Corey Feldman, Britney Spears, people going off the deep end, and weird stuff, right?
	When you follow the thread, you understand the primer of mind control, what it looks like, and the two branches of it, where it's trauma-based or now electromagnetic, then you can kind of say, okay...
	The veil is starting to come down.
	You can identify it a little bit easier.
	And Bill is so crucial.
	It needs to be celebrated.
	And I will ask everyone out there to understand this, because this is fundamental.
	You get people like Benjamin Fulford coming forward and saying, why aren't the military arresting these people?
	Well, Bill is a great example of why they're not, because they have these transgressions that they've got against them, and it's compiled.
	Well, I'm here to say...
	If you look at things from a holographic principle, you know, what's known to the parts, known to the whole, bills come forward, the ball is rolling, it's already done, it goes back to what he's talking about with the two timelines, it's already happening, the chess game has happened, it's just unfolding now,
	and conversations like this where we share our experiences is what consciousness evolving, our information sets coming together through discussion, sharing is what will have Consciousness, you know, expand based on it.
	Okay, so thank you, Carrie.
	All right, thank you.
	Thank you very much.
	Okay, at this point, though, what we need to do, though, you know, and this particular live stream has been sort of put out there because people and people have come to see this.
	And it's not that anything you've said is invalid.
	It's absolutely, extremely important.
	And I understand how it's leading in a direction, in the direction of what may have been Bill's childhood.
	But at this point, what we need to do is we need to focus on the original testimony.
	And Bill, if you wish to augment that testimony at this time, With specifics from your past that relate to the testimony.
	In other words, yes, what we're getting here as a listener is that you possibly were traumatized between the ages of zero and six.
	Whether or not that's true, I don't know.
	But at this moment, rather than making it such a big discussion, we actually need to focus it down And let's talk and hear from you, Bill, specifically about what are the incidents, what is the experiences that you had, that you perhaps can fill in some more of the gaps in the testimony that you originally gave, both on the live stream before and on my interview with you.
	Well, let me give you exactly what you're asking for and talk about my personal experiences and what I went through.
	And how it's been for me to understand, to help everybody understand why this needs to be talked about.
	After I was taken out of service, I was placed into a mental hospital and drugged basically out of my mind and denied any sense of...
	Sensitive deprivation?
	Any sense of knowledge of Where I was, what day it was, what time the day it was, my senses and what I could take in were controlled.
	And this process built up this veneer over my memories until this veneer became my reality.
	And All this did was put a picture that anytime I looked into my memories, I would see.
	But there's inconsistencies with this picture.
	It never fit, when I really thought about it, what had really happened in my life.
	And what had really happened in my life came back to me in visions and nightmares and dreams.
	And the imperfections in this veneer or this alternative Memory that kept me from understanding what was really going on, what my true memories were, was extremely difficult to deal with.
	It makes you feel crazy.
	And there's no other way to put it.
	And so you keep it inside, and you accept that Every time you try to delve into the subject, you experience a lot of trauma about trying to bring it out.
	Okay, so at this moment, I understand that that's, in general, what you're experiencing, but...
	When you bring this side of things up, what the listeners are doing is they are actually going back to the nuts and bolts of the testimony, and they're saying, okay, in a sense, what you might be doing in their eyes is invalidating some of the testimony.
	They're wondering whether or not what you experienced before you were Well, if I could finish, that would be great.
	Basically, the veneer is inconsistent, and it falls apart.
	Which is typical of programming.
	When somebody hits what's around 30 to 40, the hormones, the neuroplasticity changes, and the programming no longer can function the way.
	And so these veneers, the polls start to present themselves.
	So that's what's important for them to be able to understand is that's part of why they may want to get custody of them.
	And I've been eliminating so much of the garbage that it's now clear that the mind control was the mind control and the memories are the memories and it's easy to separate which is which.
	And I can go back and I can see things more clearly.
	I can also see how they've been trying to get me back into custody to fix what I've Undone.
	And now that these true memories are coming out, the system in large is getting very desperate to make sure that everybody sees things exactly the way you're stating them.
	Oh, he's just a crazy.
	Oh, they're inconsistent memories.
	Oh, they're dreams.
	No, they're not dreams.
	They are reality.
	My Dreams were trying to wake me up to what was real.
	And it's difficult for the average person to understand how this works.
	It is difficult for people to understand and accept.
	Somebody can change your mind so horribly that you will literally not believe in your memories.
	I am trying to come forward and say that I figured out how to beat this process and how to understand what really happened in my life.
	And that this six months of reprogramming through drugs and probably other means, since I would wake up and have no idea how long I had been asleep during this process, that I have no idea what was done to me.
	But I do know what's happening now, and I do see very clearly that this is what is real.
	This is what is happening.
	This is what the military has become, is a bunch of psychopathic killers that once they're at the end of their service, you take them in, you pump them full of drugs, you change the way they think And then you put them in society.
	And if things don't work out, you let them kill themselves.
	Because that's a much cleaner process than fixing the problems that are associated with killing.
	People need to understand that these soldiers that are coming home, that have killed people, that have done the most horrible things in human terms, are now walking around Desperately seeking a solution to what's going on in their heads,
	and the drugs, and the reprogramming, and people that participate in this system keep military members in check by getting them to believe in things that are not real.
	And that's what it really comes down to, is that there's so much illusion There's so much lack of reality in this country right now that it's critical that we all try to understand what's going on.
	That we all take a step back and say, maybe these people that are out there are just trying to give us enough information for us to have our aha moment and say, I get what you're saying and I I want to support you and I want to help you.
	And I've gotten tons, hundreds and hundreds of emails saying just that thing.
	And, you know, people are waking up to what's being said, but unless you get somebody and come out and say, yeah, my brain got broken really, really, really bad, and I've been able to fix the damage Up to a point that I can understand what was done to me,
	and I can speak about it clearly, that it not be invalidated simply because people don't want to believe that it's possible.
	So if you'd like to ask me questions now, Carrie, I would be more than happy to answer them.
	Alright, thank you.
	At this moment, I again have to stress for the rest of this interview that you are, in a sense, you know, what you're trying to do is talk to an audience that actually isn't here at this time.
	Now, perhaps once we get this onto YouTube, we will get to a more general audience.
	The people that have been waiting for this interview and have been following what has been going on in Camelot and therefore came back, Have this background.
	They understand this.
	So I appreciate that you wanted to stress these things, but you must understand that they already are there.
	They're with you, they understand what you have to say, and they agree with you.
	At this moment, however, we do have people that, in other words, Because you have had these sort of very wide experiences, you were apparently a Navy SEAL who was sent on above top secret missions.
	And you were then also involved in bombing Iraq during the years between 1991 and 2000 when supposedly the US government wasn't even there.
	In other words, yes, your mind control throws things into question, but if you can answer some direct questions That will help people who are listening because their issue is not with whether or not you are mind controlled.
	They actually believe that for the most part, I would say.
	Their question is whether this entire story hangs together such that they can take it and basically kind of run with it, bring it to their family and friends, bring it to the people that are out on the Thank you,
	is something that you can't answer, all you need to do is say, I can't answer that because of my security oath, or you can't answer it because you simply don't remember because of the mind control situation, In other words, those are all valid answers and we totally will understand.
	But let me at least ask the questions, okay?
	Yeah, fire them at me and let me do my best.
	Okay.
	Alright.
	So, I have a person who is saying, what division off the Defense Department trained you in remote viewing in Area 51?
	Are you able to say that?
	No.
	Not even a little bit.
	Based on the fact that I wasn't even given that information, I will tell you the story.
	I was loaded to Area 51.
	We landed in Groom Lake on the little red stripe, you know, jet that everybody sees flying out of Henderson Executive Terminal a couple of times a day.
	When we landed, we were placed in a van that we couldn't see out of, and we were driven to a facility.
	When we got to the facility, it was completely enclosed.
	We were walked into a classroom And we were taken into that classroom.
	We were never allowed to go anywhere else except for the bathroom.
	And the bathroom was right next door and we were escorted inside the bathroom when we went there.
	The training worked only because it is easy to believe you can do these extraordinary things if Somebody shows you it's possible.
	It's a little difficult to explain to the average person, but if somebody demonstrates telepathy in your presence, your mind believes that telepathy is possible, and therefore your mind understands that you can do it.
	Once you understand you can do it, or you believe you can do it, It's very easy for somebody to give you that ability, quote-unquote, but realistically we already have that ability.
	We are just blind to it.
	Okay, that...
	And so this is how the process worked with this training.
	We were taught in ten different areas that gave us heightened extrasensory abilities for seemingly Extrasensory abilities, but what I would tell people is that these are abilities that we don't all possess.
	Certainly, if you were never allowed to open your eyes, you wouldn't understand sight.
	Kind of the same thing.
	Okay.
	Let me ask you this, because I have been reading over some of the documents you gave me, and what I've noticed is that you've never talked about who your trainer was at Area 51.
	Okay.
	That's easy.
	This will be a little bit hard for most people to believe.
	Not the Camelot audience, so don't even go there.
	Okay, so, my first experience, uh, first day in training, we get trotted into the room, we all sit down, and they inform us that our trainer will be an alien.
	We all look at each other like, yeah, bullshit.
	And then they trot in your stereotypical four-foot-high gray...
	gray!
	And he It was quite shocking and seemed unreal for the entire day.
	And yet by the end of the day, you can't imagine how much we were able to do with our minds.
	And throughout the course of the next two We're put back in the van, the van took us to the plane, the plane took us to Las Vegas, and we stayed in a hotel.
	Okay, and the alien, the so-called gray, excuse me, the so-called gray spoke to you how?
	Both verbally and telepathically.
	And what kind of voice did he have?
	I don't understand the question.
	Well, what did the voice?
	Did it sound like a human voice?
	Was there any distinction about the voice?
	Um...
	It wasn't hard to understand him.
	I don't...
	Uh...
	I asked Bill what his name was, and...
	Bill, do you want to...
	He...
	Don't have...
	A little difficult to understand, but when everybody's used to seeing each other's minds, names and identities and ways to tell who is who don't go away.
	He was never identified by a name in front of us.
	He may have had one for other people in the facility, but we weren't given that information.
	And his explanation, basically, was that When everybody communicates with their minds, when everybody's telepathic, A, there's no secrets, and B, there's no need for verbal identity because you know what somebody's mind looks like, and when you see, you understand who they are, you don't need to...
	Have a name to identify people.
	Okay, but to get back to...
	Because people are going to want to know this, in other words, it is said that greys do not speak with the same kind of voices that we have.
	Were you aware of any kind of, let's say, apparatus that he might be using in order to vocalize naturally?
	He had on clothes.
	He...
	It was a suit, so to speak.
	It looked like a jumpsuit.
	He could have easily been wearing something.
	I mean, it wasn't a normal voice, but at the same time it wasn't hard to understand him when he talked.
	It was English.
	It was clear.
	It was practice.
	He'd been doing it for many years.
	It was my understanding that he was a prisoner And he was not allowed to leave, even though he very much liked to leave.
	Little bits of information that he was able to push, is a good word, into people's consciousness in a manner that people would understand as, if you don't really understand good English, and people talk really, really, really fast, You can't understand.
	And he was teaching us how to talk really fast with our minds, basically.
	So he could push information and slip little tidbits of things that I would assume he wasn't supposed to talk about or do.
	Okay, well we have an interview with a guy named Dan Sherman who was trained in a similar way only first of all with the computer and later became telepathic with such a being.
	He said the same thing.
	He said that they can communicate on multiple layers simultaneously.
	Would you describe it that way?
	Yes, that is a very good example of what I'm trying to describe is that On one layer is this slow level of communication, and then once you get better at it, you can push the bandwidth.
	You can express information at such a high speed, or speed, that's a crappy word, at such a level.
	That if you don't understand that there's these multiple levels, that it would just sound like garbage.
	It would sound like somebody's talking too fast and you can't understand.
	It's very difficult to explain to people how this works because you have to experience it and understand...
	Okay, how many people were in your class?
	All of us were, all nine.
	All nine.
	Okay.
	So all nine had a similar aptitude to the one you had.
	We all had the ability to learn.
	We all picked up certain things better.
	One of us would pick up telepathy better.
	One of us would pick up remote viewing better.
	One of us would pick up...
	What do you say to this?
	What would be interpreted as the layman as being a human lie detector?
	When you could sense when people were being deceptive.
	There was a lot of things.
	One of the team members had a very good sense of being able to sense the area around him and could expand that out into such a way that he could foresee landmines.
	traps.
	I could view detection very easily.
	People concentrating On my thoughts.
	Okay, but at some point during this training process, you must have been chosen to look beyond looking glass.
	Were all nine of you used in that capacity, or just yourself?
	No, that was much, much later, and I do have something to say on that.
	Okay.
	Let's finish this, and then we can move on to that.
	The looking glass thing...
	Since I've been here and been able to talk to people who have more knowledge than you could possibly imagine about what's been going on in the world in the past 40, 50 years, have helped me enormously to understand and also help them understand what that experience was all about and why I was chosen for that project.
	Okay, are you in touch with any of the nine?
	No.
	No.
	I would assume that any of our lives would be in horrible danger if we were to even attempt to contact each other, which is why I don't talk about them.
	I don't want to put them in any kind of possible danger because...
	I do not believe that being able to point out who these people were would do any good except for put all of us in that much more danger.
	Putting us together would be dangerous for all of us.
	Okay, but in terms of backing up your story and sort of standing beside you, has anyone come forward behind the scenes to you?
	Would you be willing to say that?
	There are a handful of military personnel that have come forward to me that I very much want to talk to, one of which happened today, who has a large amount of information, that basically told me that he was able to answer and tell people about my experiences before I was expressing them in the interview.
	So, there are people out there that know exactly what I was going through and have information and are willing to talk about it, but maybe not come forward with it.
	And yes, I've talked to four, I won't be specific in the number, people that would like to talk to me and tell me the information that they have without coming forward.
	Maybe that'll change, but right now, people are looking at my experiences and what's happening to me, and I'm pretty sure that it's easy to say that they have reason to be deathly afraid of coming out themselves.
	Okay.
	Since my life has been turned upside down and sideways, and I've had to go into hiding and run away from my former life and be here just so I can be safe.
	Okay.
	Now, there are a lot of people that have questions about the group that is giving you sort of a safe place.
	What is it that you can say about them that, you know, is there anything more?
	I believe I asked you this question on the live stream before.
	Yes, yes, yes.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, let me talk about that.
	Immediately after the second interview, I was...
	Given the location of where I needed to go, and left right after that second interview for this place.
	I cannot disclose the location.
	I can't give much information other than who's supporting me without naming names, how they're supporting me, what I'm doing here, And to identify that if you are a Camelot listener, somebody in the past has spoken of this place as well.
	And it is...
	I call it the place where freedom began because there is a huge concentration of absolutely amazing people here.
	Top-level people.
	People that have had experience in the military, in the alphabet agencies, and have gotten out and now work behind the scenes trying to institute change.
	Now, I will say that these people don't have much hope for humanity's ability to pull this one out.
	Let's just put it that way.
	This area is highly defensible.
	It is cut off from the rest of the world for the most part.
	It is out of the way, and it is its own community.
	It's self-reported and...
	Okay, thank you.
	But what about the people that are sort of giving you this safety?
	Is there anything that you're able to say?
	In other words, obviously it's valuable if there's anybody, any person who, especially a military person, but given that maybe the military people just don't, sorry to say, have the cojones to come forward and or, you know, they're pressured to completely or programmed to completely...
	To back up your story.
	But is there anyone in that vicinity who would back up your story and be willing to come on camera?
	And I have to ask, I'm assuming you're going to answer my question in the negative.
	You're absolutely correct.
	The only person that might have come forward...
	I had an experience a long time ago where he came forward and he definitely feels that it didn't work out well for him.
	The other people that are supporting me are not willing based on what has happened to me.
	Based on the attention that it has brought to what I'm doing and all the negative things that have been occurring Behind the scenes to try and find me.
	To try and get to me.
	They spend most of their time making sure that that doesn't happen.
	I am going to be the only person that's going to be a face to what's going on right now because there's some real danger to what's happening to me.
	And the fact that I'm in this place is a miracle.
	Because to the world, this place does not exist.
	Until others start coming forward, is that not right?
	Right.
	I mean, I'm the first person to come forward.
	I'm the one that will say that there is this place in America where people like me would be brought into To be safe and to tell their story and to know that they don't have to worry about their head exploding from a sniper shot at any given time and any given place at any given day.
	People around here know everybody.
	Everybody knows everybody.
	You can't come and you can't go.
	When I got here, I was identified four minutes after I got here and I was asked a very specific question.
	Can I help you?
	If I would have given the name I gave, I would have been in trouble.
	But I knew who I was supposed to meet, and they literally put us together.
	Instantly.
	Everybody knew us coming.
	It's an amazing, amazing place, and it's hard to believe that it exists, quite frankly.
	These people are absolutely amazing.
	Okay.
	And the people that are taking care of me are absolutely amazing.
	Okay.
	So I have a lot of people still asking questions, so if you don't mind, I'm going to continue.
	A lot of people have over and over again been asking this.
	And they keep referring to a BUDS question about your training.
	They seem to feel that BUDS is a class that you have to take and that there's some kind of a national database in which the BUDS number is not classified and et cetera, et cetera.
	How can you address that?
	I would say this very specifically.
	If you go through BUDS into a secret training or a secret program, like, I don't know, the SEAL Team 9 that they all say doesn't exist, you don't get to put it on a flag and wave it around and say, this is my BUDS class.
	You don't get to say that Instead of going through BUDS, we weren't allowed to fail BUDS. We got pushed through.
	We were made to graduate.
	Most people have a tough time graduating BUDS because you can quit at any time and they do everything in their power to make you quit.
	If you survive without quitting, that's graduation.
	In our case, We weren't allowed that privilege.
	We were encouraged.
	We were given special instruction, which wasn't a good thing.
	We worked very, very, very hard to get up to speed because all but one of us was not physically apt.
	We were all a bunch of geeks.
	And It was very difficult at first.
	And it was also very difficult because there are CILs out there that know that this team was working side by side with them, and they know that it didn't exist.
	And that any time they asked questions about it, they were told, stop asking questions.
	It's a given.
	The SEALs are taught to A, keep secrets, and B, to understand when you don't ask questions about things.
	Every one of them could tell you a story that would shock you.
	There's a handful of people out there that were going through an actual BUDS class that you could Put a three-digit number on and say, this is the BUDS class that I went to through the national database.
	I can't do that.
	I'm sorry.
	But the world is the way it is.
	And yeah, if I can't say that I'm in a national database, I have a suggestion.
	It's maybe because there's a really, really, really good reason for it.
	And maybe that reason is that I participated in a SEAL team that doesn't exist.
	And that's the answer.
	Okay, and I'm also hearing that SEAL Team 6 is on that database, and I would suggest that that's because their classification was different than yours, and that they only perhaps even maybe relatively recently Kind of moved into a higher classification right before they were killed.
	But I think that that's just my logical mind working.
	Would you like to answer it from your perspective?
	I love those words, they say.
	They are a tremendous amount of information in the world.
	I would like everybody to just go ahead and identify all of the members by their name and BUDS class that have ever been in I'm not going
	to talk about that.
	At all.
	Okay.
	That would definitely get me in a hole.
	Well, that person is the kind of person who can ask that kind of question because he's been there.
	I'm speaking metaphorically.
	Okay.
	That's fine for me, but I'm not going to violate my confidentiality agreement.
	He can violate his.
	He can tell you all about Marshall Island.
	Go ahead, buddy.
	It's all on you.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Let's see.
	I've got some more questions, if you don't mind.
	Let's see.
	Someone is saying that they believe perhaps you had more than one trainer that was ET at Area 51.
	Is that true?
	If I did?
	How do I say this?
	My understanding of most aliens is that they put on a human suit when they come here.
	Um, they are of a different density.
	They just remember, uh, what they knew before they come here.
	Uh, Damier Spinsteel, Fiona Reeves.
	Easiest way to describe it to the layman.
	Okay, that's fair enough.
	Um, let me see.
	Uh, I'm just curious because you had quite a reaction there.
	Is there something associated with asking that question that brings a memory to your mind that would be maybe, I don't know, get you in trouble for answering it?
	Oh, yeah.
	Yep.
	Okay.
	That's fine.
	That's as far as I can go with that answer.
	To say anything more would not be good, and it might put the safety of some of those individuals in danger.
	Okay, let me just ask you a few nuts and bolts questions that have been going by quickly.
	One of the nuts and bolts questions was that you operated a box when you were on, you know, those missions in Iraq, and there's a name for that box.
	Are you willing to say the name of the box?
	Absolutely not.
	I'll call it the box.
	That's good enough.
	I'd say if you want to see the box, go over and look at the pictures of a drone operator console and try to imagine that that is about the size of Something that you could wear on your back and carry around and still use to operate and
	fly a vehicle remotely.
	Okay.
	Someone is asking if Keystone has a meaning for you.
	Keystone does have a meaning for me.
	Okay.
	Go ahead.
	It isn't something that I have much information about.
	But there's a lot of things that people talk about that you don't necessarily know or don't know, but you trust the people giving you the information so you believe it.
	Okay, there was a lot of confusion from our first interview, it seems to me, in some of the listeners between Looking Glass and the Yellow Cube or Yellow Book.
	For people listening, Yellow Cube and Yellow Book are two names of the same thing.
	Looking Glass is another thing.
	For those of you who haven't seen our interview, Stargate Secrets with Dan Beerish, if you want to get more explanation on that, I encourage you to watch that interview.
	However, Bill, are you able to, because it sounded to me as though you had some knowledge of the Yellow Cube, although you had seen Looking Glass, you never saw it in operation.
	Is that correct?
	Correct.
	Okay.
	Well, now that I've been here and talked to a bunch of people that wanted to talk to me, About this subject, my level of understanding of what I went through has increased significantly.
	I suspect that there are people that I've talked to that know why I was brought onto the project and have tried to help me understand it.
	Without Giving me any information.
	The difference between the yellow cube and the looking glass.
	The looking glass was used for the same purpose as the yellow cube.
	I do not believe that the looking glass was used appropriately.
	In the same way that you can use a wrench to hammer a nail into a board, that's not what a wrench is used for.
	Yes, you can use Looking Glass to look into the future, but it's not what it was for.
	I don't know how to realistically explain it to people other than that.
	Certainly if you Had a better understanding of the looking glass that I now may have, may not have, since I can only operate on theories about what I've evolved my understanding of looking glass into now.
	That we never used it appropriately, and that's why we assumed that it did what it did, but maybe it was for a whole lot more, and if we understood...
	It's more divine purpose, or it's more broad-scoped purpose of what it did, that looking into the future would be a very primitive use of it.
	Yellow Cube, I think that was designed to look into the future, for humans to look into the future.
	Now, I never had any experience other than documentation with that.
	Okay.
	This idea of the converging timelines, however, is something that you saw when you did a remote viewing and you looked beyond looking glass or beyond what looking glass was reading out to people.
	Is that correct?
	That's correct.
	And I'm going to kind of share a theory with everybody that's kind of evolved since I've been here.
	Certainly if you had a tool like Looking Glass, and you could see into the future, and you could see this wall, and you wanted to prevent this thing from happening, you would obviously step back and see what caused the changes.
	What made it so this thing happened that you don't want to have happen.
	And you would try to change those events in time.
	Um...
	What I think happened was every time that they went to change something, they ended up causing a positive to the negative or the negative to the positive, but they caused an imbalance that would inherently fix the paradox and lead to, we'll just say, timeline one.
	And every time they tried to make it go to timeline 2, they only made it go to timeline 1 faster.
	Now realize they weren't actually doing these things.
	They were using the looking glass to insert these possibilities and see the paradoxes that they created.
	But they could never insert a possibility that created a paradox that led to timeline 2.
	Or at least I was never given any information about that possibility.
	Certainly there was a lot of people that agreed that timeline 2, that they had created a paradox that made it impossible for timeline 2 to happen.
	Okay, but when you said the timelines converge, when you have a convergence, you don't eliminate one timeline.
	Converging, you know, because that's not the words you would use.
	The words you would use, what it sounds like from the perspective of the listener is that there are two lines coming together in which ingredients from both timelines would theoretically still come into play.
	That it would be dependent on those particular incidents to sort of fight it out between themselves as to which would maybe happen.
	But ultimately, if you're talking about a convergence of timelines, and I have to say that there had to be much more than two, but I assume you're doing this for simplification, that if there are two timelines and you use the language conversions, you are talking about something that doesn't eliminate the other timeline completely at all.
	Can you kind of clarify that?
	Okay.
	The thing that everybody needs to understand about Future.
	You have to accept and understand free will.
	And everybody in existence right now in this reality has free will.
	And every time they exercise their free will, they choose a path on their journey.
	And what I mean by the convergence of the timelines is that our level of understanding evolves to the point Where everybody exercises their free will and chooses this one path, this timeline one path.
	Okay, but that's not convergence.
	I'm just telling you that in terms of speaking English language, that's not convergence.
	If everyone's choosing timeline one and therefore we're moving on to timeline one and off of timeline two, then that is what you need to say if that's how you saw it.
	And what I also have to ask about that is, did you see this in your remote viewing at the time, which was around, I believe, 1997?
	Or is this something that in later years you looked back and added on?
	Okay, let me just lay it out there for you because it's a little hard to understand.
	But...
	With Looking Glass, if you've gotten all these scientific opinions, and you've gotten all these PhD physicists and philosophers, and everybody will look at this problem.
	Everybody's asked me the same question.
	I'm sure people have asked themselves this question.
	Why the hell would they bring me in at the very end to try to figure this problem out?
	And there is a theory that's getting kicked around right now.
	That if you knew that there was a catalyzing effect that changed everything and made this evolution of consciousness occur so that it It happened no matter what you did to try and change it.
	And this evolution of consciousness is timeline one.
	The lack of this evolution of consciousness would be timeline two.
	Why would you call somebody like me in and try to get me to fix everything that hundreds of smarter people have already determined couldn't be done?
	And there is a theory Kind of floating around out there, and it's kind of the only thing that makes sense to me now, is that if you got really, really, really desperate, and you had access to somebody that may be a part of the catalyzing effect,
	if you could literally call this guy in and get him to undo his own future ahead of time, Maybe that would work.
	I can only speak to this for one reason and one reason only.
	When I was working on this thing, everybody that I talked to, everybody that gave me things and the way that the information was given to me and the fact that I don't believe I was given the Information,
	the support, and the ability to properly solve this problem may have been because they were desperately trying to keep some information from me that if I would have known about, there would have been no way in hell that I would have helped them.
	And that's Basically what it comes down to is that I don't think I was given good information when I was using the information that I was given to investigate the timelines because I theorize and many other people theorize that I am somehow directly involved In this catalyzing effect
	that guarantees timeline 1 to happen.
	Okay.
	Now I appreciate that.
	What can I say?
	But just to back up to the experience that you originally talked about.
	What you talked about was being brought in to see beyond looking glass.
	There was no mention of fixing a problem.
	In other words, you You're now talking about it as if you were brought in to do something rather than to view something.
	You understand there's a difference?
	Try and trump, and I've said this many times, to trump all of the opinions of these people and try to figure out a way to come up with an alternate theory or an alternate solution.
	And yes, I use my abilities, my intuitive problem-solving abilities, and my, if you want to call it remote viewing, call it remote viewing, but I don't see it that way, abilities to try and figure out How to offer a solution for a desired result.
	And that desired result, in my opinion, was timeline 2 to come about.
	Didn't you say first it was to analyze the data and then identify if it was correct or not correct?
	Well, or not...
	Yes, I was called in to analyze the data to use my abilities to try to come up with an alternative theory.
	An alternative theory to what?
	I think only as to what everybody else said was going to happen.
	Which was?
	Which is this inevitable convergence of the timelines.
	Okay, but it wasn't a convergence.
	Where everything comes together...
	And time stops.
	Okay, but you just said that it wasn't a convergence.
	What you said was everyone and the looking glass said again and again that timeline one...
	I say it's a convergence, Carrie.
	You were saying timeline one was taking precedence, were you not?
	So you were brought in to tell them how timeline one would not take precedence.
	Is that not the case?
	No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
	No.
	You weren't told at the time, were you?
	No, this is...
	I'm using Timeline 1 and Timeline 2 to describe it to the people that I'm talking to.
	There is no such words when I was doing this investigation of Timeline 1 and Timeline 2.
	There was only this one inevitable conclusion that everybody else has come up with.
	That I will identify as Timeline 1 because it helps...
	Okay, but let's back up.
	I'm sorry, but I am controlling this interview for a purpose.
	Okay.
	You were told what?
	If you weren't told, were you told a conclusion, maybe not described as timeline one?
	You were asked to do a job.
	What was the job you were asked to do so that we, the listener, can understand from your perspective back then, not what you see it as now, but what you were told then that allowed you to reach a certain conclusion?
	What were you asked to do?
	I was asked to determine if I could figure out an alternative conclusion to what everybody else was saying.
	And what everybody else was saying, what did they classify it as?
	If they didn't call it timeline one, what did they call it?
	The convergence of the timelines.
	Okay, and that's interesting because, again, your interpretation of those words seems not to be what a convergence is.
	You just described a jumping to timeline one, not a convergence.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	I'm saying that all of the choices lead to one point in the future.
	No matter what we choose to As our free will, that it all leads to this inevitable conclusion that we experience in the future.
	And that the reason that Looking Glass couldn't be used any further past that point is because the only way to describe it is time ceases to exist at that point,
	or free will Free will becomes such that nobody would ever make a different choice in time because we have this level of understanding that we achieve that makes it so the choice between good and evil goes away to make it really,
	really, really simple and we would only choose good.
	The absence of duality is a perfect way to put it.
	Okay.
	Now, what I'm...
	I guess I'm trying to get at, though, in terms of the orders you were given and the understanding at the time that they kind of had...
	Can you appreciate that?
	What I'm trying to get at here is that they brought you in and you were a little while ago talking about how you were supposed to fix something and now you're talking about how they had a conclusion and the conclusion was about a sort of a convergence but the convergence is more like a merging of realities Such that only one choice becomes evident, and that's all by free will.
	And I appreciate that, but there is a sort of, it's not an obvious contradiction, but there is an implied contradiction in bringing you in.
	And just asking you to see what you come up with, right?
	And you come up with, by default, the same conclusion that they've been getting over and over and over again, which is what seems to have happened.
	Correct?
	No.
	I was asked to come up with an alternative conclusion.
	But you were unable to do so.
	Is that not true?
	This is true.
	Okay.
	So, in other words, you didn't fix anything.
	You were not told to fix anything.
	You use this word fix.
	Well, because it's a much more active verb.
	You were asked to look at something and see if you could see something in the future that existed differently.
	And perhaps you're using the word fix.
	It's a much more active verb.
	So all I'm trying to do is drill down to what your job was and what you came up with.
	And basically, what your job was, it was to see something different and you were not able to do so.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	And my interpretation of it now, based on the amount of knowledge that is out there, and the understanding that people now have of Looking Glass, is that There's people in this world that don't want to see Timeline 1 happen because they rule the world right now.
	They're in charge.
	They have everything.
	I think livestream is continuing in spite of the fact that what has happened is not that livestream is quitting on us, but that Skype is being interrupted, and it's easy for them to do that to Skype.
	It's not easy for them to do that to livestream.
	Okay, and I appreciate your patience, both of you, with this process.
	I know it can be very aggravating in this way that we're trying to kind of make...
	Some progress here, but I'm also reading questions as we go, and I'm trying to clarify for the listeners in a certain way, and it's amazing, but individuals actually think they can call me at this time, and that I'll answer their calls.
	So let me say a couple things right now about this process.
	I am not going to answer any phone calls, so you're not coming on the air with the three of us.
	So don't even try.
	Now, if you're having a problem with this interview, then I suggest you go elsewhere.
	If you want to participate, you are welcome to ask a question.
	There's no reason to badmouth individuals, etc., etc., on the chat.
	We see what you're doing and we're just not interested.
	Now, okay, so I'm getting some interesting questions, and I need to, let's say your statement that you were cut off from, Bill, because it's interesting now that your video is having some trouble coming together, but at any rate, I think people can see you at least to some degree.
	We can certainly hear you.
	Would you please say the sentence you had said right when they cut you off?
	Right, okay.
	I was talking about how there, right now, is People in charge of the world.
	It is a handful of people.
	And the rest of us are slaves.
	And it is their dogged determination to keep this going.
	They also know that there is this point in the future where this no longer exists.
	They won't be in charge anymore.
	Everybody changes.
	And they have to suffer the consequences To prevent that.
	Including calling me in and asking me if I can see a way out of this for them.
	Everybody else couldn't see a way out of this for them.
	I couldn't see a way out of this for them.
	They're screwed.
	I'm sorry to tell them, but it's over.
	I have figured out what I need to know that I have everybody They're getting excited.
	You know, and I don't think they're screwed.
	This is the thing I... Bill and I had a conversation in regards to holographics.
	And...
	Okay, so in the absence of duality, what do we get?
	Well, we get an understanding that in nature both sides are always present, right?
	And so we actually have to respect that handful of people and the dedication and the diligence that they came to this planet and embodied and made a covenant with humanity on in order to force the issue of consciousness evolving.
	And the information set is Inherent in us, in the micro, and in the macro.
	So we all are equally able to celebrate this happening.
	And that's what Bill has done.
	He's came forward as somebody on behalf of humanity.
	And already has, through his thoughts and his conversations, transformed a huge component of this information set that is now rippling out.
	And it's happened.
	And so we have to celebrate, all of us.
	And they're not screwed, actually.
	Right?
	Because they, too, transform.
	They experience transformation.
	Okay.
	Now I'm going to continue.
	They have created a polarization that has made it possible for us to evolve our consciousness.
	I know it's hard to see right now that What they did and this driving apart of the opposites is what is showing us now that the opposite, the solution to this problem is to bring the opposites together and balance things.
	And even though it is a very fearful, fearful thing, For the elite.
	For both sides.
	For both sides.
	Yes, I'm experiencing it on the good guy side too.
	That goes back to your speech.
	It's a very hard thing for everybody to accept that we all do have to come together.
	We all have to balance the equation.
	That's the secret.
	That's what really needs to happen.
	That's what's going to happen.
	And that balance It's what's occurring right now in life.
	Everybody's starting to realize we do need this balance.
	What's coming together is happening.
	It's going to be, when it's all said and done, everybody's going to be forgiven because everybody does share some guilt in this process and everybody does share some innocence in this process.
	And that goes back to your Thomas Jefferson quote.
	Yes.
	Most people misinterpret the Tree of Liberty speech.
	They only hear the last two lines of that speech because that's all that's said.
	Which is, the blood of the Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants for it is its natural manure.
	But if you know what that quote was and you know where it came from, it came from a letter that Thomas Jefferson wrote about the Boston Tea Party.
	And what he was talking about was how the British were using the Boston Tea Party as an excuse to come in and create a war to change us and force the colonists back under British rule.
	And he identified the Boston Tea Party As this event that people got angry and they acted out, but the reaction to that event was way overblown, basically.
	And he uses the words, uh...
	Oh, that is my head.
	Uh...
	Oh, I need to pull this speech up.
	Uh...
	What is it?
	Pardon and pacify.
	Pardon and pacify.
	We need to pardon and pacify this lack of reality that exists in the world right now.
	And to these people that we see as these ultimate monsters, we eventually are going to see them as just our brothers and sisters that need just as much forgiveness as we do.
	And when that happens Things go really, really, really fast.
	Okay.
	You know, we've been going for about, it looks like two hours, I think?
	Maybe two and a half, depending on how you stretch it.
	I have a few more questions to run through, and it's really your choice how long we go on at this moment, because we can go for at least one more half hour if you're willing, and I will continue to run down the questions.
	We should go on as long as we can.
	I would love to get out as much as I could possibly get out.
	Okay.
	So a person is asking something about three days of darkness.
	Were you given any of that information about three days of darkness?
	No.
	Okay.
	And another person is asking, let's see, what makes you think that they didn't already solve the problem you were sort of hired to do, in other words, or see beyond?
	What makes you think, I guess, their implication there is that they might have been deceiving you?
	Based on what I've learned since I've been here and what I can still see As this inevitability still exists.
	Everybody's reaction speaks to the hopelessness that is out there that this inevitability is going to take place.
	Certainly it's very easy to see that people are trying to infill more and more fear in the general population And it's becoming less and less effective.
	I have some very good evidence that hope and that this love and this lack of fear is growing.
	And it's not only growing, it's growing exponentially.
	And people are just simply understanding that the The only way out of this is to really understand what I've been trying to teach everybody, and it's we create what we believe.
	When more and more people refuse to believe in fear, which is what has been put on us, this lack of reality to make us choose fear, and people just put all that aside and say, you know what, I'm just going to have hope.
	Well, that hope is changing...
	Everything.
	This little donation button thing, this little experiment that I've been using to show the good guy's side of where I'm at right now, that they could stop building bunkers and stop piloting ammunitions, because they believe them too, is growing.
	And beyond growing, it's surprising most people.
	It's shocking to know how many people are out there right now that are willing to just accept that they do, in fact, create what they believe.
	And if they believe in hope, hope is what is created.
	Actually, I appreciate that, but creating hope is almost an oxymoron.
	In other words, creating the openness for a positive future is one thing.
	People have had hope throughout history and that's done little for the future, but that's not what we're really talking about.
	Hope is almost a really, I mean we may be talking about semantics here, but using the word hope, it verges into a religious diatribe that is not going to really help people.
	Now at the moment...
	I disagree.
	Carrie, I just have to say this.
	Okay, fine.
	I 100% disagree with that conclusion.
	Yeah, this is something that a lot of preachers have been saying in churches for God knows how long.
	Okay, so having hope is not what it's about.
	Doing constructive good is something else.
	I understand that.
	Let me offer my opinions as to why I say I disagree.
	It's because fear...
	Have been constructed and engineered in this world for so long.
	We have spun up over weapons of mass destruction.
	And that belief that we were all given about weapons of mass destruction enabled people to lead us into the war in Iraq.
	Now we've got that, that we were lied to, and that that fear was what created that allowed them To control us and get us to accept that we needed to go into Iraq.
	Fear is very much controlled in this world.
	So if people give up fear and turn and go the opposite direction, the opposite will occur.
	And it's psychology and science more than it's religion.
	Okay, but, well, we could sort of talk all day about the philosophic choice of words, but let's move on.
	There is somebody asking if you know about cycles cross.
	I don't understand those words, no.
	Okay, not sure why they're using that particular terminology.
	If it's time and cyclical, then yes, I understand what that is.
	Okay, we'll have to wait and see if another question comes along.
	Somebody is asking, where do you think you'll be in 2025?
	I don't think that we have any concept of what life will be like in 2025 because life is going to change so much in the next six months.
	Then we don't have any concept of what life is going to be like in the next six months.
	Okay.
	Someone is asking about the poll shift.
	Is it your understanding, well, let's say this, and let me take that question and expand it slightly, to have you seen or were you given things because you have emphasized that timeline one contained this sort of anomalous event horizon that the other timeline did not.
	However, did you see other events within timeline one or did you just simply see this event horizon?
	Let me address that question with every other cataclysmic scenario question that there is, including the three days of darkness and everything else.
	Anything that is fear-based, that is trying to lead you into fear, It's the illusion.
	It's something that is trying to be engineered by people who know what's happening.
	And they're just trying to create fear.
	So, I would say the answer to any question that is fear-based, that is creating fear inside the person asking it, that it is an illusion, it is a deception, and it will not occur.
	That's the easy way for me to explain it.
	Okay.
	Someone is asking, pertaining to 2025, they're saying that it might have been part of your earlier training to look at the year, I don't know, 2025.
	Was that possible?
	Did that happen?
	No.
	2025 is not any important year to me.
	In my experience with any kind of coordinator.
	Okay.
	The other people that were in your group, were they asked to do the same thing you were asked to do?
	Do you happen to know?
	Of the nine.
	Were the nine, each one of the nine, asked to look beyond looking glass?
	It is my understanding that I was the only one that was brought in for that project.
	Alright, so I'm actually looking to see if there's any other questions that have not been answered or have been sort of overlooked here.
	If you have more questions, please help Tommy by pasting them, making them accessible to Tommy in the chat because, again, at least they are coming by too quickly for me to read in the, to actually look at the live stream.
	I'm trying to kind of grab them, but what it does is slip beyond me.
	Okay, do you happen to have any focus on these months before that date?
	In other words, you obviously, or it seems to be, that you obviously looked at December 21st, 2012.
	That seems to be a focus, or have been a focus, and correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what it sounded like from your interview with me originally.
	Did you also see these months going up to 2012?
	December 21st.
	Yes and yes.
	December 21st is significant because there's a scientific fact that our solar system crosses the galactic plane.
	Okay, but was that back then?
	Because I'm trying to put you back then with these questions.
	Were you told, you know, look at this date, for example?
	Remote view that date?
	No.
	My understanding of that date is that it is a scientific principle and fact that that day is the day that we cross the galactic plane, just like equinoxes and solstices happen.
	Okay, and were you aware of that fact before, back in when you were told to do this remote viewing job of looking beyond looking glass?
	Oh yeah, it's significant, but it didn't have anything to do with living life that had to do with the abolition of consciousness.
	And you were told that?
	That was the summation of many, many, many people, yes.
	Okay, so then the question was, were you also asked to look to the months prior to that date?
	Yes!
	Ironically enough, this is definitely something I wanted to talk about.
	Right now, we are in a time where we have a scarcity of resources, or we believe in a scarcity of resources.
	Very soon, and I can see how this would happen, that illusion will disappear.
	And resources become abundant.
	Certainly it is very possible right now, scientifically speaking, in the world to show that resources shouldn't be scarce.
	That we could produce an engineer technology that we know exists right now today.
	Maybe it isn't public knowledge and suppressed, but we know that there is Many, many inventions that have been created of machines that create more electricity than they use.
	There is a one megawatt fusion or cold fusion generator that has been built and tested.
	Cold fusion is not bullshit, in other words.
	We can continue to industrially construct Right.
	We understand.
	They understand what it means.
	Could you tell me, is this something you saw during these months prior to the 21st of December?
	Oh yes, it turns very utopian.
	In the months prior to December 21st?
	Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
	That's the cause of the civilization of consciousness, is people getting away from the fear of the scarcity of resources.
	Okay, fine.
	Because it doesn't...
	It doesn't exist anymore.
	And if you give me two seconds to pop something open.
	Apologies.
	Go ahead and talk, and I'll find you real quick.
	Along those lines, someone was asking, because one of the things that you'd said in the thing that I posted, which was like a short preamble to this event, you had said that there would be things that would blow people's mind in this particular event.
	They were basically asking, what were you referring to?
	Hold on just one second, and I'll give you the website.
	That will...
	Show exactly what I'm talking about.
	Okay.
	Website.
	K-E-S-H-E space dot com.
	Go ahead and take a look at that website.
	That will show you the future of technology.
	That is a good example of the technology that currently exists That we all should be having access and using, that the government has, and the elites, have suppressed to keep us under control.
	There is technology that exists out there that will blow people's minds.
	Okay, I believe that's been posted on my blog.
	I believe that's the Iranian physicist, his website.
	Okay, I buy that.
	But it's not because it's an Iranian physicist that I'm showing it.
	Sure, of course.
	It's because that is a good example of a conglomeration of all the technologies that he is basically pointing out to say, hey, if this all exists, all you have to do is build.
	And...
	Right.
	Okay, so at this moment...
	If we went into Area 51 and saw what exists over there, we would know for a fact...
	That we are dependent on petrochemicals because we are not being given enough information to know that we have the power to change it.
	We are being dependent on GMO foods because we aren't being given enough information on how to change it.
	One of the people that I am here with right now, a little quick story, Her stepfather, who was ex-Navy Sills, back in the days ex-Navy Sills got together and worked on this kind of technology.
	She, from her childhood, did a large amount of investigation through these ex-Navy Sills about pyramid work and how...
	what pyramids do and how they work.
	And that they work and that they can be used for different purposes.
	That is a very, not quintessential, but it is a wonderful example of how much we don't know.
	We will be figuring out that this massive amount of technology is on the horizon, it's going to happen, and That's the next step, is to bring the technology to the forefront, start producing it, start manufacturing it, start accepting it as reality, and stop letting our government and the elites keep it out of our lives.
	Okay, I appreciate that.
	Everything we need.
	And again, this Camelot audience is very, very aware of that, but thank you for speaking to that.
	What I'm being asked, though, is that you said that it's important in a Camelot interview that we don't make promises that we can't keep.
	And in advance.
	And so you did say that there was going to be information that would blow people's minds.
	Were you referring to something specific?
	Um...
	Everything that I put out, if it doesn't change people's understanding just a little bit, then I don't know what to say.
	Um...
	If...
	The fact that, you know, the world...
	I mean, there's people right now, and more than you could possibly imagine, actively working on making this world perfect, but certainly much, much, much better.
	Certainly, this time next year, we won't be using gasoline to get around it.
	Certainly this time next year, we won't be using even electricity.
	Electricity is an arcane concept that we will be eliminating.
	There is people that I'm speaking to right now that have this understanding and this bold vision of the future that are actively producing it.
	Yes.
	Brian O'Leary, ex-astronaut who just passed on, went around the world investigating this and interviewing free energy activists and inventors.
	And we have brought forward his testimony in that regard.
	So he's written a book about that.
	So that information is out there and it is very important.
	There's no doubt about it.
	Was there anything else that you saw, let's get very specific, about the United States?
	Did you see anything specific when you looked into the timeline between the months of this February and December 21st, 2012, that had to do with the U.S. government?
	Well, yeah.
	It's very easy to see, well, not to see, to explain that Most people in this country, no, not Camelot viewers, but most people in this country, when asked what kind of government we have, they would say democracy.
	But that's not the kind of government we're supposed to have.
	This country is based on being a republic.
	The republic will return.
	Stephen Jobs, before he died, left us with a magical piece of technology, facial recognition.
	We don't need representatives to make decisions anymore.
	We can easily move into the future where the people make the decisions.
	The people do the voting and have the direct vote, and we don't put our government in the hands Okay, but that's actually not answering the question, so I just want to get more specific.
	Specifically, not what we will be doing, but what will happen between this month and the 21st of December, you say, this country will become a republic, it sounds like.
	How will it do so?
	Are you talking about a civil war?
	Are you talking about everyone's going to sit down at a round table and agree?
	To turn this into a republic.
	I mean, I'm asking whether you have seen anything specific in terms of events that you can speak to.
	Once again, people are waking up.
	They are seeing what changes need to take place To make things the way they're supposed to be.
	One of these changes that is necessary and needs to take place, and will take place, because people are going to decide that's what it has to be, is this deception that our government is a democracy, is melting away.
	Is it a revolution?
	Kinda.
	It's a revolution in the fact that enough people are finally going to get together and stand up and change things.
	Okay.
	Now, I have...
	No longer are people going to accept the status quo.
	It's changing.
	It's already changing.
	If you knew what I knew and you had access to the resources that I've been given access to, You can see the changes.
	I'm looking actively to participate and get everybody else to participate in the changes to bring about the fact that we don't need our government anymore to make decisions for us.
	We can do that on our own.
	We can make our own decisions for society.
	Okay, I appreciate that.
	Okay, now I have people that are asking about the channeling that you were involved in.
	When I interviewed you, I was not aware that you were involved in channeling.
	Not sure how long.
	Do you want to talk about that at all?
	Long before I got involved in this.
	I was involved in the much more spiritual side of the house, I guess, is the way to put it.
	There's people out there that, like scientists that approach this subject from a scientific point of view, other people approach this from the opposite direction, from the spiritual side.
	And Either way you go, this evolution of consciousness is once occurring.
	The people that I best connected with a year and a half ago were people that called themselves lightworkers or light warriors.
	And there is a lot of people that understand that Our spirit or our soul is the most important part of us.
	And they tend to focus on that.
	And that they accept and understand that there is beings out there that would love to help us that are like our spirit in the fact that they are of a higher density or a higher plane of existence or Something that is completely above our understanding right now.
	Multidimensional.
	Multidimensional.
	That's a very good word.
	What we would call aliens, they just call the other being in the galaxy.
	And yes, I do believe that what we are about to achieve is so monumental and so unique in the universe The universe is now looking at Earth and watching it happen.
	And I will describe it the way that I've described it in that spiritual world as we are beginning to emerge from this cocoon that we've created of illusion.
	And as that illusion falls away, this beautiful race of beings is going to emerge from this.
	We aren't going to be who we are right now.
	And I won't even begin to try to get people to understand Okay, well I, you know, at this moment I have to say that there's no need, you know, there's no need to condescend to the audience.
	So let's understand that these people have a very vast knowledge of other beings and some of them may even be in the group that you're participating in.
	So...
	I just don't want you to go into that land where you're basically going to tell them things that they have no idea about.
	They understand.
	We have contactees.
	Probably every single person involved here is multidimensional, first of all.
	They know that as a fact, and they also know that they are themselves quite possibly channeling.
	and they also know that there are different groups, and there's also a programming surrounding this planet of channeling that is going around and around like so much refuse, and basically can be thrown exactly where you throw that kind of stuff. and basically can be thrown exactly where you throw that So what I want to do here is I appreciate that you have been channeling, and I am making no sort of...
	Oh, I never said I was channeling.
	I said I was involved with channelers.
	I see.
	Okay, so that's, I guess people would just want some kind of clarification specifically, not based on something that you will tell them about the world, but basically, what is your experience?
	Are you basically saying that that is a particular group that you agree with those particular channelers and that's why you've been involved with them?
	You yourself have not been channeling, is that what you're saying?
	Let me say this, Terry, and this is kind of important.
	It was an important thing for me to understand.
	How about this?
	I believe it was Albert Einstein that said, the only true knowledge is the knowledge that you understand nothing.
	And when you say nothing, I also thought to clarify it as nothing in comparison to what is out there to be known.
	We think we know a lot, but in all reality, We don't know anything in comparison to true knowledge.
	So what I'm trying to convey to people, and what has drawn me to this spiritual side of the house, is the best way to address knowledge right now, is to give ourselves the understanding that we really don't know.
	And if we can empty ourselves and become a vessel Maybe something will come in and fill us up with that true knowledge.
	And that's what I... That's kind of the understanding that I have right now.
	The best thing to do is accept that we don't know what's happening.
	If we can accept that we don't know what's happening, maybe we'll get the answers.
	But as long as you believe something, it won't come.
	Past few days, Bill.
	I relate it to what David Wilcox talks about with the raspberry and the super imposition of a perfect raspberry vibrationally onto an imperfect raspberry and how it develops.
	And so what I'm learning from Bill and what I'm hearing, I could be wrong, is that In Potential, we are these imperfect, because of, you know, like Sturlose talks about the channeling in Montauk and how that was pervasive, and some may or may not be correct.
	So right now we may be these imperfect raspberries based on this quantum physics that this Russian scientist did.
	If you can remove the fear, get it into a place where you can visualize your full potential and then act as if that raspberry superimposed that full potential actual self onto yourself, call it channeling, whatever you want, then view the world through that...
	Multidimensional being, then you have access to the information that's beyond your personal consciousness.
	And that's kind of what I think Bill's been able to do even with his mind control blocks that he's had.
	And a lot of times when people are asking him questions, Carrie, yourself included, it seems like it's because he's having to channel.
	He's got to go outside of that blackness.
	To get some answer.
	And that's just my personal experience of watching it.
	But if we could all go to a place where we get out of the fear, get out of the duality, get out of feelings, get out of thinking, and like you said, get to that place of creating space to then have a multi-dimensional version superimposed onto us, then like that raspberry, we can...
	A better quality version of what's possible transformed into potential.
	That was a beautiful explanation.
	Thank you.
	Alright, so at this point, simply because the questions are sort of becoming repetitive, and we've been going for quite some time, actually, and so I'm going to shut this down.
	We will obviously put this up for people to listen to the entire thing on live stream.
	It tends to actually do that very quickly, so I encourage you to Ask others if they're interested to tune in and listen.
	You are certainly welcome to go out and do some things more in the future that would sort of publish your philosophies, etc.
	in another venue.
	I apologize that this particular format in terms of Camelot Is sort of a little bit more structured than perhaps either of you would have preferred, and I apologize for that.
	But I think that you did get some very important points across, and I want to thank both of you for your...
	Your patience and understanding, patience with the audience, with their questions, with myself and my questions.
	You know, there is a method to this madness, so to speak, that we're all involved in and ultimately, hopefully, will have a wonderful sort of resolution.
	And indeed, we will look towards the future for some anomalous events.
	And I've got people...
	Calling me here, thinking that whatever.
	But basically, we are going to wind this down now, and I want to thank both of you.
	I will give you, Bill, specifically because this was aimed at you, and this was your format or forum to talk to people.
	If there's any last words you'd like to say to the audience before we sign off, go right ahead.
	Yes, thank you.
	I would like to say this.
	I think that right now is a very, very important time.
	And I think that people should start focusing on what Tina said and focusing on their full potential and realizing that we do have the ability to be this amazing,
	creative, Perfect world if we choose it.
	And it's simply a free will choice.
	If we want this change, if we want this perfect world, if we want to see the things happen that we see in our hearts, we need to walk away from imagining anything but that.
	And once we can create that world in our minds, I think we can make free will choice Create what we truly, truly believe in and walk away from the fear-based scenarios that exist simply because somebody else instills them into us.
	So yes, thank you, Carrie.
	I very much appreciate all the time that you've given me.
	And once again, I wish you luck on what you're doing.
	And I know that what you do is so important.
	To the work that everybody is doing right now.
	And I know that in the future you will be able to give people more of what they need and continue to put the information out there and make it so these cataclysmic scenarios do not occur because they can't occur if we know about them ahead of time.
	They can't blow up the USS Enterprise if we all know that they're going to try to blow up the USS Enterprise.
	So let's get that information out there and understand that once people like Carrie put it out there, it can occur.
	Because if it does occur, we will know that they did it and why they did it.
	So thank you.
	All right.
	All right.
	Thank you very much, Eva, and thank you, Bill.
	And good night, everyone.
	Thanks a lot for listening.
	Thank you, Carrie, so much.
	Okay.
	Take care.

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