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09/07/2011 Robert Schwartz and Dr. Jack Pruett.

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	is a Jaguar outside my door Stretched out in purring Waiting for more Dream sheet of stone Deep cat eye green No way to escape This is Carrie Cassidy, Project Hamlet, Whistleblower Radio, and it is Wednesday night, and I've actually been away for a little while here. - Sure.
	Had to do a public speaking engagement last week, I guess it was, and I'm doing another one tomorrow night, I think it is, down in Orange County at Living Temple Bookstore.
	So for those of you that live down in Orange County, come on down and see me in person.
	Anyway, just a lot going on in this crazy world.
	We've got Right here.
	So, I have a very interesting guest with me.
	His name is Robert Schwartz and he's written a book and it's called Your Soul's Plan and it is apparently a detailed exploration of how you choose the path of your life in your pre-birth planning.
	And apparently the book is a finalist in the USA Book News Best Books Awards of 2006 in the area of non-fiction.
	It looks like it won a few awards here, including the 2008 Eric Hoffer Award for Excellence in Independent Publishing.
	So I believe that we have Robert Schwartz on the line and I'm going to let him Give a more thorough introduction as to his book and who he is and so on.
	And actually, I don't know his work all that well, but I'm very excited to be talking to him and we'll explore it together here.
	So, Robert, are you there?
	I am, Carrie.
	Thank you for having me on the show.
	Absolutely.
	Very nice to talk to you.
	Do I call you Rob or Robert?
	I don't want to... Rob, please.
	Rob, okay, no problem.
	So, at any rate, I don't even know how familiar you are with Project Camelot.
	Maybe you could let me know?
	I know basically what it is that you're doing, but I'm not intimately familiar with your work.
	Okay, so you haven't watched our videos and so it kind of helps me, you know, gear my questions to you so that I don't blow you away or assume certain knowledge or anything.
	And I guess that works both ways.
	But at any rate, what I'd love to hear is a sort of a summary of what you think your book is about.
	And then if you wouldn't mind also introducing yourself and your background a little bit.
	I'd be happy to, Kerry.
	My book is called Your Soul's Plan, Discovering the Real Meaning of the Life You Planned Before You Were Born, and we have a website at YourSoulsPlan.com where your listeners can actually download a large portion of the book for free on the first page of the website.
	The premise of the book, as the title suggests, is that we plan our lives, including, I believe, our biggest challenges before birth, and I believe that we do that for purposes of spiritual growth.
	Now, the way I came to write a book about such an unusual subject is that back in 2003, I was working in the corporate sector in marketing and communications.
	I actually have an MBA and a background that I think is very atypical for the author of a New Age book.
	So back in 2003, I was doing different forms of corporate writing, which I found to be very unfulfilling.
	And I had what you could call an existential crisis.
	I had the sense that there was a higher calling For my life, something that my soul wanted me to pursue, that it was not this corporate work, but I didn't know what it was, and I wasn't even sure how to figure out what it was.
	So, in my search for my higher calling in life, I tried a number of different things, very conventional sorts of things, to figure out my purpose.
	None of those conventional routes worked.
	And so, almost out of desperation, really, on May 7th of 2003, I did something that I had never done before, and that is I consulted a psychic medium.
	Now, Kerry, mediumship is not part of my background.
	I come from a very conventional background, grew up in a conventional suburb of Cleveland, Ohio, in a very conventional family.
	Mediumship was not something that I knew anything about, or really even believed in.
	But I thought, you know what, there's nothing to lose here.
	I'll give an hour of my time, spend a little bit of money, and see what the medium has to say.
	So I went into this session with the medium, and I remember this date, May 7.
	2003, because it was really on that day that my life changed.
	The medium introduced me to the concept of spirit guides.
	Now, I had never heard of that before.
	I didn't know what a spirit guide was.
	She explained to me that a spirit guide is a highly evolved, non-physical being with whom we plan our lives prior to birth and who then guides us through our lives after we get here.
	And through this particular medium, I was actually able to talk with my guides.
	Now, I was inclined to believe that they actually were my spirit guides because they knew literally everything about me.
	And when I say that they knew everything about me, they knew not just what I had done in my life, but they knew about private thoughts and private feelings that I had never shared with anyone.
	And I'll give you an example of something that came up during this session that made a big impression on me.
	Five years before the session, I had been going through a very difficult time in my personal life.
	And one day when I was home alone, In the privacy of my own home, I said a prayer to God, and I didn't even say it out loud.
	I simply thought the prayer silently in my mind, and the prayer was, Dear God, I can't get through this alone.
	Please send help.
	Now, this was five years prior to the session with the medium.
	I had forgotten that I had even said that prayer, but my spirit guides speaking through the medium reminded me of it, and then they said to me, Your prayer was answered, by which they meant that additional non-physical guidance had been sent.
	So as you can imagine, if you're talking to beings who know everything about you, including a prayer you had said five years ago, alone in your own home and silently in your own mind, it gives them a fair amount of credibility.
	So when they introduced to me this concept of pre-birth planning, this idea that we ourselves set up our lives before birth, I was inclined to listen to them.
	And they explained to me why I had set up some of my biggest challenges before I was born.
	Now, in the days and weeks after this session was over, I thought about this information constantly, and the effect that it had on me was that it allowed me to review the course of my life, and for the first time in many cases, see a deeper meaning or a deeper purpose to the challenging things that had happened in my life.
	For me, that was deeply healing, and so I realized I was on to a concept that could bring a similar kind of healing to other people, And it was at that point that I started to think about writing the book that eventually became Your Soul's Plan.
	I ended up leaving the corporate sector, devoted the next three years of my life to researching and writing the book on a full-time basis, and now this is what my life is devoted to, researching how we ourselves plan our lives prior to birth.
	Wonderful.
	Well, I think that that's just great that you kind of came to that realization.
	And I have to say that this is no surprise to me because I had that point of view when I came in to this incarnation.
	But I appreciate that that may be new to a lot of people that don't maybe grow up with the outside the paradigm in a way that I did.
	So it's wonderful that you were able to radicalize your life in such a way.
	Can you say why you were propelled?
	I mean, I understand how sort of captivating something like that would be to somebody who never experienced it before in terms of getting this information through the person you consulted, the psychic medium.
	But I wonder, were there other underlying things?
	In other words, more, I understand you're saying you had something of a dissatisfaction at work.
	But was there anything more profound or deeper that had really sort of spurred you to that moment?
	I think that listeners would be curious, you know, because I think that some people might have been, you know, approached that a little more superficially unless there was something behind it a little more substantially.
	Well, there were actually several things that happened within just a few weeks of the session with the medium and combined these different events We're enough to propel me out of the corporate sector into this new life.
	One of the things that happened right away, I was living in Chicago at that time, and out of personal interest, attending meetings of the Chicago IONS chapter.
	Some of your listeners will probably be familiar with IONS.
	It's the International Association of Near-Death Studies.
	This is a group for people who have had NDEs or near-death experiences.
	Now, I myself have not had an NDE, but I think it's an interesting subject, and so out of personal interest, I was attending meetings of the Chicago Chapter.
	Shortly after the session with the medium, when I first began to think about writing a book about pre-birth planning, I went to a woman, Diane Willis, who runs the Chicago Chapter, and I said to her, Diane, I'm thinking of writing a book about how we plan our lives before birth.
	And in particular, why we plan big challenges for ourselves as a way of giving meaning to suffering that to most people would seem not to have any meaning.
	But I said, I don't have any idea how I would find out what somebody planned before they were born.
	I don't know how to write a book on this subject.
	What would you suggest?
	She introduced me to a member of the Chicago IONS group, a woman who has the ability to go into trance and channel her own soul, her own higher self.
	So I approached this woman, explained to her what I was thinking of doing, and asked if I could interview her soul.
	And she said, sure.
	So we got together five times for a total of about 15 hours.
	She went into trance, her higher self spoke through her, and her soul told me in great detail about the pre-birth planning process, which challenges had been discussed for her, which ones had been selected and why, which ones had not been selected and why not.
	So this vast quantity of information came forward.
	It laid out for me how pre-birth planning works.
	It confirmed everything my guides had told me in the session with the medium, but then expanded upon it greatly.
	Another thing that happened just within a few weeks of that session was that I was home, excuse me, I was home in my apartment one day, just having an average work day, decided to take a break and go for a walk.
	As I was walking down the sidewalk in Evanston, Illinois in the middle of the afternoon, I had an experience of unconditional love For every person I saw, and when I say unconditional love, I don't mean the kind of love that you might feel for a spouse, a romantic partner, a parent, or a child.
	I had what was really a transcendent experience, an experience of divine love.
	Every time I looked at another person, I felt pure, unconditional love for them.
	And I remember this so clearly, because the first person I saw was a cab driver who was sitting behind the wheel of his cab waiting for a fare to come along.
	This man was a complete stranger to me, but as I looked at him, I felt nothing but pure, overwhelming love for him.
	And then I looked up, and there was a man's barber shop in the corner.
	I looked through the window and saw the barber cutting a client's hair.
	Again, two complete strangers, but as I looked at those two people, I felt this overwhelming, pure, unconditional love.
	And then I looked around and I saw a young woman, a mother, pushing an infant in a stroller down the sidewalk.
	And again, There was this feeling of overwhelming, unconditional love for them.
	Every time I looked at another person, I had that feeling of pure, unconditional love.
	And I understood, intuitively, what was happening in that moment, which was, I was in some form of enhanced, immediate communion with my own soul.
	So it's as though my soul were saying to me, this love is who you really are, this is your true nature.
	And I believe that my soul gifted me with that experience that day because, When I went on to write the book, Your Soul's Plan, I collaborated with several very gifted mediums and channels who in one form or another could access a person's pre-birth plan.
	For example, one of the mediums is a woman in Arizona.
	Her name is Stacey Wells.
	Stacey actually has the ability to both see and hear the conversations we have with each other before we're born.
	So in working with her, I could peer behind the veil, so to speak, actually go into someone's pre-birth planning session, And we heard the conversations that people were having with their future parents, their future children, their future lovers, their future enemies, if they were planning to have enemies, and I put these conversations verbatim into the book.
	The overriding feature of the pre-birth planning sessions, and I mean every single one of them, was that they were based on unconditional love, even when a quote-unquote negative role was being scripted.
	Now, if I had not had that experience of my own soul, that experience of unconditional love walking down the street that day, I would still have found the same results in my research.
	But I think there would always have been this little voice at the back of my head saying, how do you know that the soul is love?
	How do you know that pre-birth plans are based on unconditional love?
	Well, I know that the soul is love because I experienced it myself.
	That was my experience walking down the street that day.
	And I believe that my soul gifted me with that experience so that I would know firsthand that what I was finding in my research was true.
	Okay, well, and that's a wonderful thing to hear.
	I don't know, are you familiar with Kundalini?
	I am, yes.
	Okay, and do you recognize that experience as being what some people call a spontaneous Kundalini event?
	My understanding of Kundalini is quite different than what I experienced that day.
	I believe that Kundalini can lead to an experience of unconditional love, but I didn't experience anything in terms of a sensation of energy rising up the spinal column, which is my understanding of a Kundalini experience.
	This was not a bodily sort of experience.
	It was an emotional experience.
	It was a felt experience.
	Well, okay, I guess, you know, from my point of view, there wouldn't be such a separation between what you call a bodily experience and an experience that involves the emotions, etc.
	You know, and not to quibble over semantics, but actually what I would term what you experienced as a Kundalini experience, regardless of the fact that you didn't have, as you call it, energy coming up the spine, you know, Kundalini can affect all the different chakras in different ways, and so how it manifests and how you connect, it's more of a
	Almost a plasma connection and an electromagnetic kind of a connection with your higher self and with you know the senses etc etc.
	So it requires that other parts of you be stimulated in order to to feel something and so But at any rate, you know, it's unimportant how you label it.
	At any rate, it's very nice to hear because I've had that many times and I term it a more Kundalini experience.
	But at any rate, in terms of your interaction with some of these mediums and channels, Did you find that you were getting a certain level of information that was always correct?
	In other words, many times there's no way to verify the information you're getting.
	There can be experiential verification or perhaps you can say you get information from a medium in one place and you go and check it out with another person.
	Through various means in another way in your own experience you you were able to validate your experience Do you know what I'm saying?
	But in terms of a person saying that they were giving you these conversations, etc, etc There's no real way for you to validate that other than to trust the person who's giving you that information, right?
	That's true except that the the methodology for researching your soul's plan What we did was?
	I would interview someone about...
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	You raise up your head and you ask, is this where it is? - Then somebody points to you and says, it's his.
	And you say, what's mine?
	And somebody else says, well, what is?
	And you say, oh, my God, am I here all alone?
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	Patrick Kamala, Whistleblower Radio.
	We are talking to Robert Schwartz. - Right.
	Robert, are you still here?
	I am still here.
	Okay, lovely.
	So right before the break, I was asking a question and you were about to sort of talk about Your answer, and I'm afraid I'm not sure where you were going to go.
	Do you recall what you were about to say?
	Otherwise, I can ask you another question if you'd like.
	I do recall, Carrie.
	Just to remind your listeners, the book is called Your Soul's Plan, Discovering the Real Meaning of the Life You Planned Before You Were Born, and we have a website at YourSoulsPlan.com where they can download a large part of the book for free.
	You asked about the scientific validity of the mediumship that I use to research people's pre-birth plans.
	What I'm doing is not actually intended to be scientific in nature.
	The intention is to offer people a healing perspective that helps them to see deeper meaning and deeper purpose in their lives, and in particular, in the challenges in their lives.
	The methodology I use to research your soul's plan is that I interview people about very common challenges, things like physical illness, And there's a story in the book about a man who plans to have AIDS and a woman who plans to have breast cancer.
	There's a chapter on the pre-birth planning of having disabled children, a very touching story of a woman who plans before birth to have two autistic sons.
	There are chapters on the pre-birth planning of deafness, blindness, drug addiction, alcoholism, the death of a loved one, and severe accidents.
	So I would interview someone about one of those particular challenges and then that person ...would have one, two, and sometimes three sessions with the mediums and channels in which we would ask Spirit, did this person plan this challenge before birth, and if so, why?
	And then, in the book, I present the information that came forward.
	So, it's an attempt, again, to give meaning to suffering that to a lot of people would appear not to have any meaning.
	Now, you might ask, well, how could somebody use an awareness or an understanding of pre-birth planning in a practical way to heal or to improve the quality of their life?
	One way to answer that question is to share with your listeners one of the stories in the book.
	This is really the signature story in the book, and one of the most powerful examples I've ever seen of someone who utilized an awareness of her pre-birth plan to completely transform the quality of her life.
	In the chapter on the pre-birth planning of accidents, I share the story of a woman named Christina, who is now about 60 years old, but a number of years ago when she was in her early 20s, Christina was employed as an administrative assistant at a college in Southern California.
	And one of her daily duties in that job was to pick up her employer's mail, which was in the basement of the building.
	The mailboxes were in the basement.
	So, on one particular day, Christina descended the stairs to the basement mailboxes, just as she had done many times before.
	But on that day, unbeknownst to Christina, someone had planted a pipe bomb in the mailbox.
	And when she inserted her hand to pick up her employer's mail, this pipe bomb detonated.
	The force from the explosion, Kerry, was so great that it actually picked Christina up off the ground and threw her ten feet backwards against a concrete wall.
	There were six-foot splinters of wood that were shot like arrows out of a bow into the wall around her.
	The flames from the explosion scorched her body from head to toe.
	Two fingers were severed.
	Both eardrums were ruptured.
	And when Christina got to the hospital, Doctors actually had to hold magnets over her eyeballs to extract the shrapnel from the pipe.
	Now, her recovery took two years and ten reconstructive surgeries.
	At one point during that two-year period, Christina was lying in her hospital bed in a tremendous amount of pain when suddenly she heard a voice inside her head, a voice that was not her own.
	It turns out that the force of that explosion, in addition to doing a lot of damage to her body, It opened up her psychic gifts.
	Christina had become Clairaudient, and the voice she heard as she lay in the hospital that day was the voice of one of her spirit guides.
	And the guide said to her, you planned this.
	Of course, Christina responded by saying, why?
	And then the guide told her, and here's what the guide said.
	The guide said to her, you wanted before you were born to have an incarnation as a gifted healer, and you knew pre-birth that if you could heal yourself from the devastating effects of that bomb explosion, You would then be able to take all of that wisdom and knowledge about healing and turn it outward in service to others.
	This is, in fact, exactly what Christina did.
	After she recovered from the 10 reconstructive surgeries, she went on to obtain a PhD in speech-language pathology, set up a private clinical practice, and at this point in her life, she has healed literally thousands of people.
	She actually has the ability to go into a patient's brain energetically, by which I mean non-invasively, ...and restore language processing capability in people who have lost that due to stroke or accident.
	So we're talking here about a remarkably gifted healer, and the only reason she can do any of this is because she healed herself from the effects of that bomb explosion.
	Now, when I interviewed Christina for my book, Your Soul's Plan, she said two extraordinary things to me.
	The first was, she said, Rob, I have completely forgiven the person who planted the bomb.
	Given the level of suffering she went through, I think that in and of itself is a remarkable statement.
	But then she said something even more amazing.
	She said to me, Rob, I am deeply grateful to the person who planted the bomb.
	Now think about that, Kerry.
	This is somebody who was lying in the hospital for two years, had ten reconstructive surgeries, had magnets held above her eyes to extract the shrapnel from the pipe, and here she is saying that she is deeply grateful to the person who inflicted that level of suffering on her.
	You can well imagine that Christina could have gone in a very different direction in her life.
	She could have chosen to be angry for the rest of her life.
	She could have chosen to be bitter and resentful.
	She might even have chosen to devote her life to tracking down the bomber and taking revenge on this person.
	But because she came into an awareness of her pre-birth plan, she was able to go in a completely different direction.
	She was able to forgive, and even more so, she was able to get to that place of gratitude.
	Now, this is not something that happened overnight.
	She went through an understandable and very long period of intense rage toward the bomber, and it took many conversations with her spirit guides about her pre-birth plan for her to understand why she wanted to have this experience.
	But now, many years later, having gone through that experience and all of those conversations with her guides about her pre-birth plan, and having turned around and healed thousands of people in her private practice, Now she is at that place of forgiveness.
	She is at that place of gratitude.
	She utilized her awareness of her pre-birth plan to completely transform the quality of her life.
	Absolutely.
	Okay, well, I must say that, you know, this is very good information for people and, you know, I appreciate That you're able to sort of talk to these people and get this information out in this way.
	I do think that there are many people out there who are not at the stage where they can thank sort of the downside of their life, the so-called evil that's perpetrated on the planet in quite such a way.
	And I think it is wonderful When you come across a person who can do that and who really rises to the occasion so to speak.
	There's no doubt in my mind that we do co-create our lives and also bring both the positive and negative aspects forward in order to not only learn ourselves but also kind of condition ourselves and create the circumstances under which we might Become better healers or be better able to love or so on and so forth.
	So I applaud that on your part and I think that's just great.
	In terms of where you're going with your work, do you have some ideas on next stages or next steps for yourself?
	Book two in the Your Soul's Plan series will come out early next year.
	The subtitle of book two is Healing the Life You Planned Before You Were Born.
	It has an even greater focus on how do we heal from the challenges that we plan for ourselves than the first book does.
	And it examines the pre-birth planning of a number of different experiences that are not touched on in the first book.
	For example, there are stories about people who plan poverty, caretaking of an ill loved one, being adopted, A spiritual awakening.
	There's a chapter on the pre-birth planning we do with pets, our animal companions who guide us through our lives after we get here.
	A number of different experiences that were not touched on in the first book.
	But again, the focus in the second book is on how do we heal from trauma if trauma is something that we planned for ourselves before we were born.
	Okay, and do you want to outline some of those things that you've come across?
	I mean, I guess it's different for each person, but do you want to talk about that?
	Well, one of the main themes we saw in the research for Your Soul's Plan book 2 is that healing is impeded by any form of resistance to life.
	So, if you have a block in one direction, you have a block in every direction.
	If you are saying no to a particular challenge or a particular experience, energetically you are saying no to everything the universe wants to bring to you, including all the blessings it wants to bring to you.
	That would include financial abundance, physical health, spiritual clarity.
	It's as though you energetically have a no shingle hanging on your forehead and you're saying no to everything the universe wants to offer, including Healing.
	So, one of the things we explore in Book 2 of the Your Soul's Plan series is the idea of dropping resistance, embracing everything that comes to us, even if we don't understand why it's happening or how we created it, or what kind of purpose it serves, but sort of trusting that the universe is bringing to us the experiences we need, having faith that all is well, even if on the surface it may appear that that is not the case.
	To give a more specific example, one of the stories in book two is the story of a woman who plans prior to birth to experience several forms of extreme mental illness.
	She plans depression, anxiety, psychosis, obsessive-compulsive disorder, bulimia, and perhaps most notably, she plans, and she had the experience starting in childhood where she would be asleep and a nightmare would start to take place.
	And then when she woke up, whatever she was seeing in the nightmare, she would continue to see in her room, in her bedroom.
	And this began in early childhood, and it continued until she was actually in her forties.
	She tried every method under the sun to heal herself, starting with conventional medicine, anti-depressants, anti-psychotic agents.
	None of that did any good for her.
	And eventually what she discovered was that she had planned prior to birth to heal A number of other incarnations of her soul.
	These were other lifetimes in which various traumatic things happened to the incarnate personality and that person was not able to heal him or herself so the energies were bleeding through from what you would call parallel dimensions and she had agreed prior to birth to take all of this on in service to her soul so that she could bring healing not just to herself But to all of these other lifetimes, this was the one lifetime in which she would bring complete healing to her soul.
	And she did this quite brilliantly.
	It took a number of years, a number of alternative healing methods, but she eventually healed every single form of mental illness that she had been experiencing for all those decades.
	And she's now one of the most joyful people I've ever encountered in my life.
	So it's really quite a dramatic story of healing.
	And one of the things that has made her healing possible is an understanding of her pre-birth plan.
	Absolutely.
	Okay, at this time, how much success has your book had?
	The English edition has sold about 60,000 copies and been translated into 23 foreign languages.
	Okay.
	Have you, you know, in terms of, I don't know, because this, although we're an extremely sort of, I don't know what you would call, alternative fringe organization, although we have a very large following, have you had from the mainstream any interest in your story?
	The people who are most interested in Your Soul's Plan fall into one of two categories.
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	The other category are more mainstream people who have had something quote-unquote bad happen to them.
	And because there's been trauma in their life, they are now opened up to explanations.
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	And so they come to the book perhaps in pain, Searching, trying to understand why something has occurred, and the trauma has opened them up to considering ideas that they otherwise would not be willing to consider.
	Absolutely.
	Well, I don't know, you know, I know Oprah isn't doing a show anymore, but this sounds like perfect material for Oprah.
	Have you had any interest in that realm?
	Not from Oprah, although I wish I hadn't had the opportunity to appear on that show.
	I've done a number of interviews on mainstream radio stations, and I think sometimes the host or hostess thought that the idea of pre-word planning was a bit far out, but invariably there are people in the listening audience who resonate with this message.
	They sense intuitively that there is truth here, that there is something here that can bring healing to them, and they are open to the message.
	Absolutely, I'm sure there are.
	In terms of your own journey and having written this book and had these experiences at this time, do you feel that you have also benefited in the sense that if experiences come to you that you consider to be challenges?
	Does it make it easier for you to deal with them?
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	I'm Roger Kamala, Whistleblower Radio, and we're talking to Robert Schwartz,
	He's written a book called Your Soul's Plan, and it's a much longer title, and I'll let you finish that for me, Rob.
	Your Soul's Plan, Discovering the Real Meaning of the Life You Planned Before You Were Born, and the website is www.yoursoulsplan.com.
	Okay, great.
	So, let's see, right before the break, I was asking you whether or not you found that what you have discovered about the pre-birth planning and all the testimony you've gotten in that regard, whether that has actually helped you in dealing with ongoing challenges in your own life?
	You know, it really has, Carrie, because anytime something that I interpret as negative happens in my life, I always ask myself the question, if I planned this before I was born, Why might I have done that?
	Now, the question I don't ask is, did I plan this before I was born?
	That actually is not the important question to ask.
	The important question is, if I planned it, why might I have done that?
	Because when I ask that question, or when anyone asks it, that question takes you into an exploration of the deeper meaning, the deeper purpose that something can serve.
	So regardless of whether or not you planned it, by asking that kind of a question, you get into what the underlying life lesson may be.
	I used to have a joke with an ex-boyfriend of mine.
	lesson, then you can go about learning it in a much more conscious manner.
	Absolutely.
	Well, I used to have a joke with an ex-boyfriend of mine.
	If he was ever sick, I used to ask him, why did he get sick?
	And he used to get really aggravated, although in a certain playful way with my question.
	But I was quite serious about that question.
	And I think it's a very interesting question to ask, or for one to ask oneself, simply because...
	You know, and I think that people don't ask that question often enough.
	In other words, when something happens, why it's happening.
	Why, in other words, did the, you know, taking responsibility for the situation and ask why you brought that into your own life, I think is a very enlightening question to ask.
	It is an enlightening question to ask, but not everyone is willing to take responsibility for their life in To that extent.
	You know, many, many people at this time in human evolution are still very much mired in victim consciousness.
	And people who are mired in victim consciousness derive a number of secondary benefits from that.
	It's a way to get sympathy from other people.
	It's a way to bond with other people who also perceive themselves as victims.
	But for people who want to get out of the victim mentality and really step into their power, it is important to ask, why did I create this?
	Not in the sense of Blaming yourself or feeling guilty for having created it, those sorts of emotions are not helpful to personal growth.
	But just to explore why or how something was created without guilt, without self-blame, that can be extremely empowering.
	Absolutely.
	Now, in dealing with the subjects that you're dealing with, I wonder if you've considered the group aspect.
	The more socially conscious aspect in terms of why groups incarnate and share experiences for a purpose and whether you've looked at 2012 in that way.
	I haven't examined groups, group reincarnation per se.
	What I have looked at are soul groups reincarnating.
	What is a soul group?
	It's a collection of souls who are at more or less the same evolutionary stage.
	And who then reincarnate repeatedly with each other, playing every conceivable role.
	So, you and the members of your soul group will take turns being mother and daughter, father and son, brother and sister, husband and wife, best of friends, worst of enemies, murderer and the one who is murdered.
	You play all of these different roles for each other, in service to each other, because it expands your consciousness and helps you to evolve.
	Now, in regard to 2012, I've asked a number of questions about how pre-birth planning jives with 2012 and what I've come to understand is that literally every person who is in body on the planet now, and I do mean literally every single person, has as part of their pre-birth plan the intention to contribute to the shift in consciousness that is occurring right now and that will accelerate next year.
	You can't be in body now unless you wanted to contribute to the shift and had something to offer.
	So I often hear people bemoaning the circumstances of their lives and complaining about how hard life is, and maybe they wish that they weren't here and that they could go back to their non-physical home.
	But I will tell you, Kerry, from the perspective of spirit, it's considered a great honor to be here at the time of the shift, and you had to go through a selection process to be here.
	You couldn't simply say, I want to be there at the time of the shift, because there were more souls who wanted that than available bodies.
	And I don't mean that facetiously.
	That is literally true.
	There were more souls who wanted to incarnate now than available bodies.
	So in order to be here, you had to want to contribute to the shift, and you had to prove that you had something to offer the shift in consciousness.
	That's why, and one of the intentions of my work, is to remind people of who they really are, meaning that you are not the flawed or limited personality you may believe yourself to be, You are in fact a great and very courageous soul because if you weren't, you couldn't be here in body now.
	Absolutely.
	Well, you know, in terms of that approach, Camelot is all about that.
	And, you know, I do often find when I address audiences that a lot of people do bemoan the circumstances that they're in, not always being willing to sort of take the responsibility of seeing themselves as having chosen to be here now.
	And it is something that I often remind them of.
	And I think it is a fascinating dynamic if you look at it or begin to look at it that way, why we incarnated here at this time, what we're really doing here, and so on.
	So I'm very glad to hear that you have that perspective and that you've explored that to some degree.
	Do you write about this or is this something that some of the, in other words, I guess if you're interviewing people that are telling their life path, you must have come across the consciousness shift aspect and have these people sort of explain why they were coming into this incarnation at this time to participate in this experience, etc.
	But did you yourself revisit that on your own sort of information that you received from the medium?
	I have.
	I've asked a number of questions about it in the channeling sessions, and the information, the perspective that has been shared with me again and again, and this is something I discuss in detail in book two of the Your Soul's Plan series, which will come out early next year, is that again, if you are here in body at this time, part of your pre-birth intention was that you would contribute to the shift in consciousness in some way.
	Now that does not necessarily mean that you have a public role Or that you are a quote-unquote light worker.
	It could mean that.
	But a much more common sort of pre-birth plan is simply that you would learn to be a more loving person.
	You would come into memory of yourself as the loving soul who you truly are.
	And so the people who are not quote-unquote conscious, but who are very loving, they are loving parents, they are loving spouses, they are loving children.
	Those people in their own way are contributing to the shift just as powerfully as anybody who is in a prominent public position, the most prominent of lightworkers.
	All of these different paths are equally important.
	Yes, I would say so.
	And it is an interesting concept to look at the people that are not Very aware of what's going on around them, and yet they do live productive, loving lives, as you say, and maybe especially going through some very personal, let's see, challenging situations, but coming through them sort of challenging situations, but coming through them sort of the victors, if you will.
	And in those cases, obviously contributing to the greater whole, regardless of whether they're conscious of it or not.
	And I think that that's a really important thing for people to be aware of as we go into this time.
	So in terms of the information that's come across to you and your own, again, your own journey, do you feel that you have grown?
	And if so, in what ways might you have grown that were perhaps unforeseen once you got into this this sort of sector?
	Kerry, I think one of the main ways in which I've grown as a result of the work that I do now and as a result of Researching and writing your soul's plan is that I've become a much less judgmental person than I used to be.
	You know, I used to think in very mainstream terms and judge people depending upon how successful they were or were not in conventional terms.
	And one of the things I've seen again and again in my research for your soul's plan is that you really, you cannot judge another person's life because you have no way of knowing what their pre-birth plan was.
	And some of the people that I used to judge most harshly, and whose society still judges very harshly, people, for example, who experience homelessness, or alcoholism, or drug addiction, people who have the AIDS virus, you know, as a society, we have very harsh judgments of people who fall into those categories.
	And we say things like, they are failures, they need to get their act together, they need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.
	And the judgments around people with AIDS are particularly harsh.
	People say, well, he must not have used protection.
	He must have been promiscuous.
	Some people even believe, and you know this, Kerry, that AIDS is God's way of punishing homosexuals for being homosexuals.
	But what I've seen in the research for Your Soul's Plan is that people plan prior to birth to have AIDS.
	They plan prior to birth to experience alcoholism.
	They plan drug addiction.
	They plan homelessness.
	And so, if you're walking down the street one day, And let's say you pass a homeless person on the street corner.
	That person could be there as part of your pre-birth plan to remind you to be more compassionate.
	They could be a great soul.
	That's absolutely true.
	Thank you so much, Robert.
	I'm very sorry we are coming to the end of the hour here, and our next guest is going to be queuing up after that.
	So I want to thank you very much.
	I hope that people will buy your book, and I'll be happy to, you know, to promote it for you in the future, and hopefully have you back on the show.
	Thank you, Carrie.
	It's been my pleasure.
	Absolutely.
	Okay, take care, and we'll be right back with Dr. Jack Pruitt.
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	Okay, this is Carrie Cassidy, Project Hamlet.
	This is Lower Radio, and we have a new guest for our second half of the show here, Dr. Jack Pruitt, and he is the author of a book called... Hold on one second here.
	Sorry about this.
	I should have been paying more attention right before the show here.
	Okay, The Grandest Deception, and I've actually read most of it, I believe.
	And Dr. Jack Pruitt, are you there?
	I'm here.
	Lovely.
	We're gonna actually do more than one show with Dr. Pruitt per his request because he is really covering quite a substantial topic and I think we're gonna have a lot of fun on this hour delving into the topic as well as debating some of the aspects of his book.
	So, Dr. Pruitt, would you please sort of give a short summary of your book and then also of your own background?
	I'm an MD.
	I've been practicing medicine for 40 years.
	And when I graduated from medical school, I immediately began a residency training program in the field of obstetrics and gynecology.
	Just as I was completing that, I was asked by Dr. Ron Paul to join him in his OB-GYN practice.
	And Dr. Paul and I formed a medical partnership that lasted for about 20 years.
	Okay, right this moment we're having strange sort of feedback happening and some kind of strange tapping going on.
	I don't know if, looks like we also have some feedback happening on the line.
	Not sure what is going on with all of that.
	It's strange because we had a very good connection with the last guest.
	But go ahead.
	Maybe it'll quiet down.
	I hope that perhaps the engineer can check into whatever's causing that.
	But go ahead.
	Sorry to interrupt.
	Is this better?
	Yes, it is.
	Okay.
	Dr. Paul and I practiced together for 20 years.
	He is our long-term U.S.
	Congressman now, running for president for the third time.
	And I've been a long time I'm a student of the Bible and my book is based on the work of Zachariah Sitchin and on the Bible.
	What I call the grandest deception is the concept that I believe that Mr. Sitchin actually provided us the key to understanding the Bible.
	I've studied it for about 48 years and could never understand it until I understood what Sitchin had to say.
	And I believe that if one has the preconceived notion that the Bible is a story about the creator of this universe, whatever that might be, then the Bible is impossible to understand.
	However, if one reads and studies the Bible from the concept that it is a story about the Anunnaki, Then the Bible is very easy to understand.
	Not only that, but it is also extremely revealing about the Anunnaki.
	The Bible is basically, if we eliminate the very beginning and the very end, is a story about the last 3600 years or so, or one Nibirian year, if I can put it that way.
	About what the Anunnaki have done on Earth and what they plan to do in our future.
	And I call that deception that the Bible is a story about God or a supreme being of some sort.
	I call that the grandest deception.
	Okay.
	We have a very strange echo going on here.
	I'm going to try putting on a certain kind of earphones and see if that helps.
	Sometimes putting on earphones helps and sometimes it doesn't.
	Hello.
	Well, I'm hearing a lot of feedback in my head here.
	Okay.
	I'm not sure what to do in this case, but at any rate, can I be heard clearly?
	Is there an echo for other people if someone could let me know?
	I'm not sure what to do in this case.
	What I would say is that perhaps you could type in a phone number into the well, I'm already halfway down, so I'm not sure if I can turn my speakers any lower.
	I'm not sure you'll be able to hear me, but I'll try that.
	We're saying to Jack.
	So, Dr. Pruitt, can you turn your speakers down a bit?
	Yes.
	And I think that's a bit better already, so thank you very much for that.
	What I wanted to say is, yes, it's absolutely wonderful.
	You know, in many ways, your work builds on the work of Michael Tellinger.
	And I can't remember, but had you said that you are familiar with his work?
	Yes, I am.
	I think that certainly Tellinger's work is very supportive of Sitchin.
	I think my book and Tellinger's books are very supportive of each other.
	Okay.
	Now, there is a huge departure, though, and we will get into this later in more depth, but I will say from the outset that I noticed and I was, well, let's say dismayed to see that you actually chose Enlil as being the
	More positive side of the two brothers and that is quite a pronounced departure from what is commonly thought if you do believe in the concept that there were two brothers and that NT was the doctor, the sort of geneticist who went into the deep abzu
	It created and made possible the augmentation of the DNA with regard to linking up with the Anunnaki genes and then Enlil was the one according to the Sumerian tablets from what I understand who did ask for the dumbing down of humanity and to have the genes
	Basically a lot of the junk DNA and so on to dumb down the race so that we would be better servants so to speak.
	So I'm not sure where you come to your conclusion and we can certainly go down that road.
	What I do want to say here is that in your position, though you must have gotten a lot of flack, it sounds like you came from a very... I don't know if you came from the Bible Belt, but it sounds like you were pretty well steeped in the Bible before you went in this direction.
	Is that right?
	That is right, but I'm not sure that I understand what you mean when you are speaking about my position in Lil.
	I believe that, indeed, Enki was the great scientist, as you described.
	My position on Enlil is that Enlil is the one who has been primarily responsible for the great harm done to mankind.
	Certainly, the Bible is written from the perspective of Enlil, and predicts very Bad things for mankind.
	And so I don't view Enlil as a benevolent, positive character at all.
	Okay, well, let me clarify that because it seems that, if I have this correct, you do view Enlil as a Jesus Christ-like figure.
	Is that not correct?
	Well, I view Enlil as the father of Jesus.
	I believe that it was Enlil who had Mary artificially inseminated with his own sperm, and I believe that Jesus is his son.
	But I also believe that the Bible says that Jesus will return, and that he will rule the earth with an iron rod, And that he will slaughter so many people that his garments will be bloodstained, and that during his thousand-year reign he will wreak havoc upon mankind.
	And so, I don't view Jesus as a positive figure either, nor do I view Enlil as one.
	I think Jesus actually is a very tragic figure in the whole sordid ordeal, because I believe that From birth, he was brainwashed by Enlil.
	And some of the books of the Apocrypha even describe an episode where Jesus killed one of his childhood playmates and was then moved to India and so forth.
	But I don't consider Jesus or Enlil either one as positive figures as far as the benefit of mankind is concerned.
	Okay.
	Well, as far as this echo is really not cool, but at any rate, as far as the...
	The issue with regard to Jesus and what's called Marduk and also what the Illuminati are worshipping at this time, there's a number of questions and a number of roads we can go down and there's also the issue of whether or not you believe the Bible is literally correct.
	If you can type a phone number in the chat here, Dr. Pruitt, it might help us if we can call you and we can see how it'll go.
	Are you still there?
	Yes.
	If I could just... That phone number is 409-287... Oh, please don't give it over the air.
	Just if you could type it into the chat.
	We don't want all the people... I mean, I don't think... I think your privacy should be maintained, if at all possible.
	if that's not too difficult if you could just type it into the chat there uh what i was going to say here is that um in terms of the bible what another thing that that i found uh also disturbing in reading your book was what you appeared to take um
	you took issue with some of the content of the bible but you actually seem to take it verbatim as being true and correct and uh that's a huge mistake in my view um What is quoted to be said by so-called Jesus Christ, in my view, are misquotes time and time again, and there is a tremendous amount of disinvo in there.
	The Bible was written many years After Jesus left and by a number of men that had, in many cases, suspect intentions.
	And so I'm not sure why you would believe what they write.
	Well, my position on the Bible is that our theologians have taught us for many, many years that biblical prophecy is accurate.
	And indeed it is.
	Except it's not prophecy, that is, it's not divinely inspired.
	Biblical prophecy is simply the script that Enlil has written for mankind and has seen that that indeed occurred.
	Now, that's what I'm saying in my book is true about the Bible, and I believe that that part is true.
	Okay, and why do you believe that?
	I mean, you're saying biblical prophecy is true.
	In what way is it true?
	I mean, in my view, nothing has happened, you know, that they've basically talked about necessarily.
	In fact, most of what they have prophecy about can be interpreted a multiple of ways, not necessarily literally.
	Well, again, we would have to Go back through prophecy by prophecy, I suppose, to determine whether those have indeed occurred and come true or not.
	If you have something specific in mind, of course, I'd be happy to discuss that.
	Sure.
	I mean, there's also the aspect that... Are you familiar with the term the Illuminati and all of that?
	Okay, and do you understand that there are occult societies that are, you know, working sort of hand-in-hand with the Vatican to actually make the Bible come true in a certain way?
	And what I did was, when we first talked, I referred you to a video interview with a man named Leo Zagami.
	Did you get a chance to watch that by chance?
	I did watch that, yes.
	Okay, and you understood perhaps that this is a a whistleblower at the time from the Vatican and from a group of the Illuminati associated with the Vatican.
	He has since gone back into the fold, as it were, and is working with these people again.
	So he's not necessarily to be trusted.
	However, it seems clear to us that his testimony at the time that he came forward had a lot of truth in it as far as the plans of these individuals who call themselves the Illuminati, who are also working and it seems clear to us that his testimony at the time that he came forward had a lot of truth in Thank you.
	Yes, I agree with that.
	Okay.
	So, would you say, I mean, are you also aware of the reptilian contingent?
	I am.
	My personal view on that is, I don't know that the, what we are calling the reptilians, are actually Another type of being or not.
	My own concept of reptilians is that they are simply biological robots, if I can call them that, created by the Anunnaki.
	Now, I'm not denying the possibility that they are other extraterrestrial beings of some sort.
	I'm just saying that I don't have the evidence to To prove that to my own mind at this point.
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	I author of The Grandest Deception.
	And Jack, are you still with us?
	Yes, I am.
	Lovely.
	Okay, we have a much better connection now, and I'm very happy to hear that.
	What I wanted to do at this moment was to actually back up a bit, because you do give some very good arguments to substantiate your original premise that the Bible was, in essence, written by the Anunnaki.
	And so maybe you could outline some of those main points for the listeners, and then we could kind of proceed from there.
	Oh.
	Okay, well, like I say, my belief is that indeed the Bible was written by the Anunnaki.
	If we look at the old Sumerian tablets, practically every story in the Old Testament We find an older version of it in the Sumerian tablets, and these older versions have just been condensed, altered, and edited and placed in the Bible.
	Again, from the perspective or viewpoint of Enlil.
	I would also like to clarify one point we touched on a minute ago about what I'm saying in there about
	What the theologians teach us is biblical prophecy coming true, for instance, is the Bible prophesies that the nation of Israel, or the Israelites, will be scattered all over the face of the earth, and then at some other time, the nation of Israel will be reformed or reunited.
	Well, that's certainly come true.
	That is exactly what happened, and those are the type prophecies that I'm talking about, although I don't consider that prophetic at all.
	I consider that just what the Anunnaki had planned for us.
	The other point I wanted to clarify as far as the Illuminati, and I discuss this in the book, is that I believe the Illuminati, the large majority of them, are direct descendants of the Anunnaki, and that indeed They and their descendants are running our Earth today.
	I believe that they've been greatly deceived by the Anunnaki, just like us commoners have.
	But I did watch the interview carefully that you suggested with, was it Sagami?
	Yeah.
	And all I can say is that I certainly would not trust him very far, although he is extremely knowledgeable and has a lot of inside information, of course, about what the alumni do believe and what they're up to.
	Absolutely.
	So to sort of move along this trajectory, and I think I've outlined a few of the areas where I think that we have sort of a parting of the ways in terms of what we might see, because I do believe Jesus Christ was a legitimate avatar.
	I don't believe that he was necessarily related to Enlil in any way.
	Uh, but I, you know, I also noticed that you don't necessarily take into account other
	races of beings and the fact that we might have been genetically engineered multiple times and therefore have the DNA of many races of off-planet beings, which is something that I do believe and that is based on a lot of whistleblower testimony as well as encounters that
	Many people are having, sort of on an ongoing basis on the planet, many testimonies coming from that area, whether it be channeled information that is at times, of course, suspect, and as well as, you know, contact information, legitimate contact information, and visitations to this planet, deals made with the military with various races, and so on.
	There's no doubt whatsoever that there appears to be some very substantial rulership going on with the Anunnaki contingent, and I do have whistleblower testimony in that regard that would probably be particularly interesting to you.
	That we can also discuss perhaps as we move along here.
	But do you acknowledge that humanity has been genetically engineered or sort of re-engineered as time's gone on at various junctures with other races of beings, not only the Anunnaki?
	Well, let me say this.
	This is what I admire so much about Sitchin.
	I think that Sitchin had a good scientific mind and I think that he documented his information well and I think that we have concrete physical proof that what Sitchin had to say about the Anunnaki is essentially true and that is the old Sumerian tablets.
	I think that those document very accurately that indeed the Anunnaki Not only genetically manipulated us and created us, but have continued to do so since they did so initially.
	I'm not denying the possibility that what you say is true as far as other civilizations or other races also doing that.
	I'm saying, though, that in my opinion, and I think it's a proven fact, Is that eyewitness testimony is absolutely the poorest evidence that we can find.
	And in my opinion, at least, I don't know.
	You may have.
	I don't have any physical, concrete, hard proof that any of those other things have occurred.
	Certainly, I suspect that you have a lot of whistleblower testimony that those other things occurred.
	But I need more than that.
	You know, I've kind of gotten to the point in my life that the old saying about fool me once, shame on you.
	Fool me twice, shame on me.
	Well, the Anunnaki fooled me once and they fooled me for all of my life about what I believed was the truth.
	And so I'm just not willing to say.
	That I believe that those other things are true and accurate until I have more proof.
	I certainly don't deny that possibility, however.
	Okay.
	Well, and I do understand that position for sure.
	Now, what I'm wondering is, When you say that, you know, because I guess you must know that some of the work of Zachariah Sitchin is highly suspect, and, you know, he has his strong detractors.
	In other words, some people are saying that he misinterpreted on numerous occasions the Sumerian tablets and took liberties, for example, with some of it.
	And I also happen to know, I don't know if you've met or talked to Jordan Maxwell?
	I have not met or talked to him, no.
	And I certainly am aware, however, of the people who disagree with Sitchin, and I have taken A pretty careful look at that.
	As a matter of fact, just yesterday I had a long discussion with Keith Hunter.
	He's one of our bright young men who disagrees with certain things that Sitchin said.
	And, And I will just say this, that again, from my limited viewpoint and my limited knowledge, One of the things that convinces me that Sitchin is essentially correct is that Sitchin's work basically corroborates what the Bible says.
	And we've had that book around now for about 3,500 years, and Sitchin's work just corroborates that to a T.
	Okay, well that's not necessarily the good housekeeping, as they say, stamp of approval in my book.
	Actually, that would be all the more reason to be sort of looking a little more closely at some of the things Sitchin said, but obviously we come from little different points of view in regard to how we view the Bible.
	I will say this, that of course Keith Hunter is a wonderful
	He's a young researcher, and we've got two new videos of his analysis of, for example, what is called Elenin, so-called Comet Elenin, and also what people have talked about being Nibiru, which in essence may be actually what's so-called a brown dwarf with a few planets circulating it, one of which may be Nibiru, and that's maybe a different interpretation than the one Keith has as well.
	Um, it is clear that he has a sort of a different approach altogether and.
	You know, I don't think we have time right now to go down that road.
	But if you get back to the Sumerian tablets, there are a few things that seem accurate.
	And let me say right here that I have had an encounter with an Anunnaki, with a being that I believe is an Anunnaki.
	And this would be a positively oriented being, in my view, at least in my encounter.
	This particular being was extremely tall and I didn't feel any threat from them whatsoever.
	In fact, I felt kind of the opposite, that they were in some way protecting me and also communicating with me.
	Could I address that?
	Sure.
	I've had others that I've had discussions with since publishing my book who also say that they've had encounters with Who they believe are Anunnaki.
	And, you know, my concept of the Anunnaki, quite frankly, is not very much different from my concept of mankind's civilization on Earth.
	I certainly believe that there are probably benevolent Anunnaki as well as evil and cruel ones, just like there are some humans who are benevolent and some are evil.
	I believe that the civilization on Nibiru, if indeed it is a planet and that's where they live, is probably structured very much like what they planned for us as far as the New World Order is kind of ruled by a tyrannical dictator.
	At the top and it's pyramidal and probably the average citizen of Nibiru doesn't know anymore about what's going on than I know about what's going on in this world.
	But I do believe that they're very similar to us in that some are benevolent and some are not.
	Well, I think that that is also very obvious.
	Well, depending on how you interpret Zachariah Sitchin's work and the work, the interpretation of the stories to do with the Anunnaki.
	And let's see, what did they call?
	Well, I can't remember the name of the The book, but it's an old story about the Anunnaki.
	But at any rate, there's also carvings, for example, in Egypt of the very large beings who were rulers and appear to be the sort of forefathers of some of the Egyptians from Atlantis and so on.
	Have you been to Egypt?
	I have not, but I do think that that actually supports Sitchin's work.
	If indeed mankind was created by mixing Anunnaki DNA with Neanderthal DNA, the Neanderthals are very large and powerful compared to humans.
	And certainly some of those descendants would have inherited the traits or the genes for gigantism.
	That doesn't mean that the Anunnaki were tall and giant, though.
	That just means that those beings inherited the genes or traits of the Neanderthals, and I think that's the more likely explanation of that.
	Okay, so it sounds like you don't believe that the Anunnaki were particularly tall.
	I do not.
	Again, I would think that they're similar to us, perhaps.
	Perhaps some of them are tall, but I think, again, if we look at the average size of humans and the average size of Neanderthals, Then my guess would be that the average size of the Anunnaki are probably slightly smaller than the average size of humans.
	Because certainly the Neanderthals are much larger than humans.
	Okay, well, my understanding actually is that what is now known as human has only got a very small amount of what you call Neanderthal DNA, only in a certain portion of the population actually, that there are some other strains going on there.
	And also that if, again, if you look at the Sumerian tablets, you look at even the inscriptions and the drawings, What you see are humans drawn as quite small and Anunnaki sitting in rulership positions looking quite large.
	There's no sort of equivocation in that regard.
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	Jack, are you there?
	Yes, I am.
	Okay, lovely.
	So what we were just talking about was the physicality of the Anunnaki.
	Yeah.
	So what I would encourage you to do is take a look at the, well, to go to Egypt maybe In person, because it's quite striking there.
	Let me make a comment about that, if I could.
	Sure.
	You know, you mentioned the ancient drawings and that sort of thing.
	And certainly, although I have not been to Egypt, I have seen pictures of many of those.
	And many of those show the gods or the Anunnaki, if that's who they are, in some sort of space suit.
	No, which would make them appear much larger than they might be inside the spacesuit.
	Also, I believe that might have something to do with the social status of the gods compared to humans.
	But irregardless of the physical attributes in regard to how tall or how short they might be, I think a much more accurate depiction is we find in the Dead Sea Scrolls talking about Noah, you know, when Noah was born, the Dead Sea Scrolls say that his hair was snow white, that his skin was extremely pale, and that when he opened his eyes, he lit up the room.
	Several of the people I've talked to who have had encounters with Anunnaki, they believe, described him exactly as that.
	And I believe that the Anunnaki If indeed they evolved on a planet like Nibiru or someplace that goes into deep outer space, that they had to have evolved underground.
	They could not survive.
	I don't think an advanced life form could survive on the surface of such a planet because it's so cold.
	But underground, they have heat generated from the interior of the planet.
	If they're not exposed to sunlight, they have no need for pigmentation in their skin, and their skin would be extremely pale.
	They have no need for pigmentation in their hair.
	Their hair would be snow white.
	And indeed, if you look at Sitchin's work, they referred to mankind over and over and over again in the Sumerian tablets as the black-headed people.
	And so I think those physical attributes I've described the Anunnaki much, much more than whether they were five, six, seven, or eight feet tall.
	Okay, well, certainly you can talk about their skin color and so on, you know, and whether or not Noah was a full-blooded Anunnaki is also something to be debated.
	As far as the scenario that you're depicting in your book, and I do understand that you're bouncing a lot of what you get off of the Bible, where do you go from there?
	In other words, what's your next step?
	Understanding that, you know, regardless of how one kind of characterizes it, are you aware, for example, of A possible return of Nibiru as some people believe.
	And are you also aware of the worship by a group of Illuminati of a so-called God who is in essence an Anunnaki called Marduk?
	Yes, I am.
	Again, I think that what is referred to as the Luciferian doctrine, I believe that In key was Lucifer or the devil or Satan in the Bible.
	And of course Marduk is his firstborn son according to Sitchin.
	And at one time Marduk was the top guy here on earth according to Sitchin.
	But I believe that Nibiru will return just like it's scheduled to around 3400 A.D.
	And that, you know, then we have all the stuff about Comet Elenin and what is headed towards Earth at this time.
	And I believe that it's quite possible that the spacecraft that are accompanying Elenin are the Anunnaki returning.
	And I believe that it's quite possible that they're returning in order to make their plans to go ahead and establish the New World Order.
	Okay.
	So, as far as where you feel mankind has gotten to at this juncture, do you feel that we have educated ourselves sufficiently to be able to stand up to the Anunnaki, or do you feel that they still have the upper hand?
	I believe that they definitely still have the upper hand.
	I think that What has happened, if you look at what's happened on Earth, I believe that the process of evolution should improve all living organisms over time.
	That we should become healthier, stronger, live longer.
	And that's not what's happening in our world.
	We're developing new illnesses, new diseases.
	They're continuing to dumb us down.
	They're continuing to manipulate and alter our DNA, and so we don't see the normal process of evolution occurring on this earth.
	And again, that is exactly what the Bible says that they're going to do.
	The Bible says that they're going to dumb us down and turn us into biological robots to be their Perfect slaves for all of eternity, that we will be emotionless, sexless, limited mental capacity, and then we see all this experimentation with what's called transhumanism today.
	I think that's just simply more of the process, adding bestial DNA to ours, and that, I think that the goal of the Anunnaki is to find a way To remove the spirit or the soul of mankind.
	I believe that Enki was well aware that he created spiritual beings, eternal spiritual beings, and that he believed that that shouldn't be tampered with.
	In fact, I think when he set up the Brotherhood of the Serpent, His intent was to teach mankind spiritual knowledge and to aid us spiritually, but then Lil turned all that around and has done just the opposite and destroyed our spirituality, and I think there's a great continuing effort to do so.
	Okay, are you familiar with, I have some people asking questions here, we do only have a few more minutes left in our conversation here for this evening and then you will be back on my show I believe in a couple weeks time and we'll have a longer segment assuming that we can still carry that off.
	So someone is asking whether or not you're familiar with the work of Anton Parks.
	I'm not.
	Okay, and I think Jerry Zeitland, I'm not sure if I have his exact name right, but he translated Anton Park's, it writes in French, and unfortunately they don't translate his books into English except for this individual, I believe his name is Jerry Zeitland, who has translated some of his work.
	And you can go on the Internet and look up Anton Parks, and you will find some fascinating information there.
	Is that P-A-R-K-S?
	Yes.
	Anton is the first name.
	And basically, he's written several books, and he's got a fantastic story about a sudden past life recall as an Anunnaki that he had, which basically threw his entire life which basically threw his entire life into turmoil originally.
	and Fascinating individual, brilliant set of writings.
	So I do encourage you to take a look at that.
	Okay, so you believe that the New World Order obviously is as well along as most people who visit Project Camelot, and we have a lot of documentation in that direction.
	However, I do believe consciousness is changing that paradigm, and I wonder if you embrace that idea at all?
	I do.
	Yes, I do.
	Completely.
	And I'm very hopeful that the new consciousness and the new awareness, and as people wake up and begin to recognize that we've been greatly deceived for these thousands of years, that certainly something can be done to alter the fate that Enlil has planned for us.
	Okay, and someone is asking in the chat, who do you think are the living descendants of the Anunnaki on Earth?
	I think you already answered that, basically by saying you thought the Illuminati were.
	The Illuminati, the Popes, the Archbishops of Canterbury, the Kings and Queens of Europe and so forth, the people who run our world today, the establishment elite, if we can call them that, here in the United States.
	The people in power who are running things, I think that they are descendants, and they're very careful about protecting their bloodlines.
	The Rothschilds, the Rockefellers, the Bushes.
	Right.
	Okay, well, I'd like to say that there may be some positive side of that bloodline also on the planet.
	Okay, thank you very much, Dr. Pruitt.
	We will revisit this information.
	I encourage people listening to visit your site.
	Do you want to give out your website very quickly here?
	Hello?
	Thank you for having me.
	I appreciate it very much, and I look forward to our next interview.
	I will do some more homework between now and then.
	Can you give your website, please?
	I'm sorry, www.thegrandisdeception.com.
	Wonderful.
	Thank you so much for coming on the show, and we'll see everyone in another week or so.
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	No refrigeration is required either, so if the power goes out, your food is still safe.
	And you know, studies have shown that dehydrated foods are actually substantially more nutritious than either frozen or canned foods.
	The loss is only three to five percent of the original nutritional value of the food without added chemicals or additives, making this method of food preservation by far the best choice for natural, healthy eating.
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