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06/29/2011 Gregory Sams.

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	There is a Jaguar outside my door
	Stretched out in purring, waiting for more.
	Strange sheet of stone, deep cat-eye green.
	No way to escape, no one hears my scream.
	He's come here so often, just when I'm alone.
	I can't help but longing, I'll feel when he moans.
	Hi, there.
	It is Corey Cassidy, Project Camelot Whistleblower Radio, and it is Wednesday, the 29th of June, and we are just moving through the summer already very quickly.
	It's quite amazing.
	My guest tonight is Gregory Sams and we do have him holding on the line here.
	I'm going to go through a few details of and some updates just to cover some of the things that have been going on with Camelot and then we'll get right down to talking to Gregory.
	First of all, I want to announce that our LNN conference, the video conference, was very successful on livestream and it is still for sale for The video stream, and it's nearly five hours long, an amazing discussion took place between myself, Richard Hoagland, Andy Lloyd, Keith Hunter, Carl, Johan Kallemann, and Joseph Farrell.
	We went into a lot of science, a lot of different aspects of Elenin and what may be happening with regard to that, whether it's a comet, whether it's a piloted craft, etc.
	And I encourage everyone who hasn't listened to it, it's really very important to sort of catch up to what's going on out there.
	In our solar system, this is only one object, but it does relate to a lot of other things that are also going on simultaneously.
	Craft that are near the sun and all kinds of clues were released in that conversation that I have to say may be sort of pan out later on in the next few months.
	And we hope to do another update on LNN probably sometime in August, if all things go as planned.
	And then of course is my Awake and Aware 2011 conference in July.
	Let's see, not July, in September.
	23rd, 24th, and 25th, and it's shaping up to be an incredible conference.
	Again, Richard Hoagland will be part of it, David Wilcock, Marcia Schaffer, and Bob Dean, Miriam Delicato, Rich Dolan, Nassim Harriman, and Graham Hancock, myself, and Bill Ryan, and Sean David Morton, including, we're going to have a special appearance by Duncan O'Finnian,
	Who will be with a special guest talking to everyone on Friday, the Friday evening.
	And then after that talk, we will be having some surprise mystery guests on hand, as well as live music and, you know, an open bar and that sort of thing.
	So it'll be sort of a party for Camelot and should be a lot of fun.
	And we're going to be offering all kinds of Ways in which people who even aren't in the area can possibly participate through a live stream kind of a situation.
	So please do buy a ticket if you're able to come out and join us.
	It's an awesome networking opportunity.
	Anyone who was at the 2009 conference knows that.
	And we've got all kinds of interesting things going on.
	In addition we will be having whistleblowers are let in free and so behind the scenes you will have not only the usual suspects in terms of intelligence agents in attendance but a lot of whistleblowers could quite possibly be there just milling around behind the scenes and you may have the opportunity to talk with them and see what's really going on underneath the matrix so to speak.
	So, that's just a few updates, and go to my blog on ProjectCamelotProductions.com or ProjectCamelot.org for further updates.
	So, what we've got to do is, I guess, bring our guests on.
	We've got some crashing background, so we need to mute I guess maybe let the people know to mute their speaker here when they're not engaged in the conversation.
	Otherwise, we get a lot of background noise.
	So, at any rate, I'd like to bring on Gregory Sams.
	Gregory, are you with me?
	I'm here, Carrie.
	Okay.
	You're in England, and it sounds like we've got kind of a A bit of a scratchy background here.
	Are you hooked up in a good internet connection there?
	Yeah, I believe so.
	How does this sound?
	That's much better.
	Very, very good.
	Well, very nice to talk to you.
	I know you're something of a celebrity in England.
	I have to say that I was originally not aware of who you were, and after reading your bio and so on, I see that you're extremely well known, and I want to get into your background.
	I hope you don't mind going over some of the past before we get into the more recent things you're doing.
	That's fine by me.
	Okay.
	Simply because I don't know that our listeners will be familiar with your work and the fact that you invented the veggie burger, which is a hoot.
	So, at any rate, I don't even know how familiar you are with Project Camelot, but we have been connected by a mutual friend, Gary Evans, who is also a great help to me.
	in the UK when I did a speaking engagement there recently on my trip with Megalithomania and so on.
	So, at any rate, I'm welcoming you here and I'd love you to give yourself a sort of an introduction.
	I know you've written a fascinating book that you call Son of God, I believe you call it.
	That's correct.
	And I understand the premise there, and I'm very anxious to talk to you more about that whole idea.
	But before we go there, can you give yourself an introduction and let people know some of the territory you've covered in your life, which is pretty amazing?
	Well, I started off with natural foods back in 1967, when the idea that What you ate affected your health was a completely alien, new, kind of hippy-dippy idea.
	And then we had ideas about what you should eat.
	But the whole concept of food being part of the medicine of life, something that keeps us healthy and fit, was not in the culture then.
	And so that was a whole industry came out of that.
	I mean, my brother and I were the first people to ever serve brown rice in Britain.
	Or to put it in a packet and sell it and distribute it, let alone hundreds of other products from sesame seeds to seaweeds and miso and other cereal products and quinoa.
	So it was all very sort of pioneering, natural foods, reconnecting people to our Mother Earth on that real island.
	Along those lines, though, can I ask you, what was the inspiration for all of that?
	I mean, in other words, was it for your own personal health that you started going down that road, or how were you inspired to do that?
	Gosh, I think I was prepared to do it by being brought up on a very natural food diet.
	Very rare in those days, but my father had been given up for dead after this after the war when he was decommissioned as a marine and He had a mystery ailment they'd been they really had given up on him and somebody recommended him to a Japanese doctor who put them on a really good Clean diet with no processed frozen foods whole cereals.
	My mother had to bake her own bread so we were kind of conditioned for that and then Through my brother, I discovered macrobiotics.
	He heard about these books in New York City which had been burned.
	The FBI had raided a macrobiotic book center, or center, and taken away the books and burned them because the idea that a diet of hamburgers and milkshakes and cola drinks wasn't good for your health was thought subversive.
	So I'm rambling here a bit.
	But that's No, that's exactly what I was curious about, because that's really fascinating.
	I also grew up with a parent, or at least one of my parents, who was also into health food at a time before anyone.
	We used to go to school with whole grain bread.
	And no one in the school could believe our sandwiches.
	They were laughed at, actually.
	I know.
	Because they're extremely weird.
	So I know exactly what you mean, and I think that that's awesome that, you know, you kind of went down that road.
	But you obviously stuck with it, and you also made it into a company.
	So were you an entrepreneur by nature, would you say?
	I think what really influenced me to answer the initial question is, I didn't realize that.
	We were just being brought up like that.
	But then when we discovered this whole new approach to food, which was called microbiotics, but balancing your food, looking at the colors, and applying that, I felt so healthy, so clean, so connected thereby.
	It was really something that had to be shared.
	You know, we started off with a restaurant, dishing stuff up, serving it to people.
	Then people wanted to buy that food.
	So that led to me opening up a shop.
	Other shops wanted to stock that food, which led to opening up a wholesale and manufacturing and importing.
	But it was really knowing how important it was to connect to the real food that Mother Earth gives us that was the motivation and the awareness of how much Cleaner and clearer one was with that connection in place.
	So that was the motivation.
	And it was sort of it caught on other people liked it.
	They felt the difference.
	You know, it didn't really matter what people in white coats were telling him, which was always that it makes no difference what you eat, because they could feel the difference in their bones.
	And that was all driving thing through that Natural food business ended up with a big factory with lots of staff and we had a stone grinding flour mill and a peanut butter machine and a jam making, sugar free jam making plant.
	And all sorts of machines filling different things into bottles and jars and bags and shipping them all over Europe, really.
	So obviously it actually grew organically, not to say a pun on words here, but Very much so, very much so.
	Your business, you know, sounds like a grassroots kind of a business that thus, you know, kind of spread out like that.
	And this was during the late 60s originally, right?
	That all developed during the 70s, yeah.
	And then it was in the early 80s, 82, that I created the first ever veggie burger.
	And, um, came up with a name for it from a list of names that included Green Burger, Earth Burger, Veggie Burger, Plant Burger, Sesame Burger, and I, you know, sharing these words, they were all sort of weird words that nobody had ever heard before, and I chose Veggie Burger, and even trademarked it at the time for the product.
	And it really took off.
	There was no research, nobody knew what the market was gonna be for this sort of stuff.
	And once again, people thought I was crazy, even in the natural food trade.
	They said, "You can't go off and do a product like this How do you know who's going to buy it?
	I kind of had a faith in it and there was a huge market and the veggie burger really made the grocery trade aware that there are a lot of people out there who wanted either less meat in their diets or no meat in their diets and that there was a whole market for food that didn't have to be based upon meats and that was a
	But that was also my ticket out of the food industry after eight hours, eight years of doing veggie burger as it got to sort of a bigger point where I needed to sort of understand double entry bookkeeping a bit better than I was used to.
	I sold that and that was my ticket out of the food industry was the lovely veggie burger.
	Okay, so when you say your ticket out, I mean did you become like a multi-millionaire or something like that out of all of this and then retire and start writing books?
	Not quite.
	I sort of had a comfortable period and it took a couple years advance on my retirement at the age of 40.
	I had lots of parties, lots of good fun and then this blasted A New Zealand artist friend, a friend of mine, I'd met at one of these parties I was going to, told me about chaos theory.
	And I read the book by James Gleick, Chaos, and understood how important this stuff was.
	And I ended up opening up a whole shop dedicated to chaos theory called Strange Attractions.
	And publishing loads of postcards and posters and t-shirts with fractal patterns on them and we sold all the books there were about chaos and we had non-linear toys in the shop.
	I mean, you might have even inspired the whole mod fashion thing.
	I mean, you probably inspired some fashion out of what you were doing, right?
	I did a few fabric patterns for A company called Space Tribe Clothes, and they did sort of fractal party wear.
	And so yeah, I had this complete, complete psychedelic repeating fractal pattern.
	I used to get paid by the meter for how much of this fabric they produced, but I've got The teddy bears they made were banned in France.
	They had these sort of fractal, fluorescent teddy bears.
	And when they arrived at the customs in France, the French said, you can't sell these.
	These are subversive teddy bears.
	Really?
	That's amazing.
	Very true.
	But the message there was that things self-organize from the bottom up.
	And I saw the importance there of applying that to society, to how we run our own affairs, because we tend to sort of assume that the top-down model is the way we have to do things, and the more important they are, the more pressure we have to apply from the top, rather than letting the system find the solution and find the balance and the harmony, as it does
	In everything from a rainforest to a weather system to the self-organization of neurons in our own brains.
	Things organized from the bottom up.
	And that was, Chaos Theory was science actually showing us this to be the case.
	So that was really important and that had a big bearing on My subsequent book, that's my first book.
	Okay, we're going to go to a short break and we'll be back and we'll start discussing that whole aspect of things.
	Alright.
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	The distance in your eyes.
	Oh, no, I said too much.
	I said it all.
	This is Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot, Whistleblower Radio.
	And we're talking to Gregory Sams.
	The author of Son of God, S-U-N of God.
	And I think that this is a fascinating idea that you've got and I want to get into it in some depth.
	But I want to go back to right before the break, Gregory, you were talking about fractals and you were talking about how systems organize themselves from the bottom up.
	And are you familiar with the work of David Wilcock?
	Yes.
	Okay, and I don't know if he based some of his work around your books or whether, you know, the two of you sort of bounced off some other work that's being done in this area because obviously this chaos theory and some of these ideas about fractals has been out there for quite some time.
	Can you say where you first got maybe your inspiration for going down that road aside from, well, I understand you read one book in particular.
	I forget the name that you were saying.
	The book was Chaos by James Gleick.
	Okay, and I don't know if you're familiar, I assume you're familiar with then Terence McKenna, because I believe he also got involved with this.
	Yeah, I mean, Timothy Leary was very involved in chaos theory as well.
	It was the real application of chaos theory that I saw was to human society.
	And I realized that the scientists would never go into that area because it's something they're not supposed to really study if they're proper scientists.
	So they use it to, you know, study weather systems and prospecting for minerals and how the human circulation system breaks up and all sorts of fascinating information they get out of that, but they're Human society is a self-organizing system, and you see all the power.
	I mean, this is American Freedom Radio we're on, and what Chaos Theory really shows us is the power of freedom.
	When you let freedom reign, as it does in a sort of a natural rainforest, Everything, you know, you get these patterns without people deciding where the frogs are going to go and where the rain is going to fall and how many trees to put here and there.
	It self-organizes.
	And that's how we've got an airline industry, we've got the food industry, we've got the music industry, all sorts of things that have just Organized out of human society.
	The government never invented airplanes or decided what sort of music we should be listening to.
	They do get involved in the food chain, though, and we see some of the horrible consequences of that.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Well, it seems to me that there's actually probably two forces.
	One that does go in the direction of the bottom up and one comes from the top down that is actually a power relationship in which the one coming from the top down wants to control the energy coming from the bottom up.
	And I think the pyramid is probably the best representation of that sort of, I guess, structure, you might say, of relationships.
	And I'm wondering if...
	You know, because there is a social, like sociology does use this idea of kind of fractals and of a self-organizing, it's called systems theory, right?
	And so when you got into this, first of all, you didn't seem to have a background in science.
	Am I wrong?
	Largely speaking, yes.
	I mean, I won...
	The first prize at the sort of Chatereau Science Fair when I was in eighth grade with an explanation of the solar system and the theory of relativity.
	And so I was kind of interested in that stuff from a young age.
	I grew up with a telescope.
	I had a big scientific interest, but then I got sucked into the natural food industry.
	It was an Following, I broke my back when I was in university, which landed me up in a wheelchair now.
	And it was during a year coming to, you know, getting to grips with that and planning to go back to University of California, Berkeley, that I got sucked into opening this natural food restaurant up.
	And that was really where my career went.
	And I sort of didn't get back to the science interest until like 30 years later or so.
	Well, yeah, and that's fascinating.
	So what happens is, when you read this book, at that point, you must have had to, or felt, you know, that you had to do some homework, right?
	Some further research.
	I mean, you didn't just turn around and start writing your own book, right?
	Well, no, there was a key point, because I was producing all these fractal images and posters and cards, and Using a lovely piece of fractal software to generate it all.
	And I then had to go back to the aforementioned book.
	And I knew that when I launched this stuff, some journalist was going to ask me, you know, well, how are these formed?
	What's going on?
	And, and I didn't really have the answer.
	And I had to actually reread and reread and reread this part of the book.
	And then I realized The answer, and it was just, it was so simple.
	The images, they're there already.
	And they're organizing on the piece of paper.
	It was just such a stunning realization to actually get that.
	The universe, in other words, the universe is already organizing itself.
	At all levels, yeah, that does it really, really very well.
	All you were doing was, in other words, in a certain sense, communicating or taking notes from the evidence, the information out there.
	Yeah, I mean, I had had a course before this called V50, a course about freedom and the power of freedom.
	And when I combine that with the understanding of chaos theory, They both fit together so, so well.
	And that really was the motivation for writing the book and lots of dinner.
	I mean, I had that in my head, but I'd be talking to people over dinner about, you know, how much of a mess the state does of things, you know, because that whole system is run by do this or we'll damage you.
	And it doesn't really matter how enlightened the people are deciding what it is we should do when it's being imposed upon us with the threat of damage if we don't do it.
	It's not the right way.
	I can buy Coca-Cola.
	I don't.
	But if I drank it every day of my life for 30 years and then I suddenly changed to apple juice, they're not going to come and beat my door down and send me to jail.
	But that is how the coercive system works.
	So anyway, so that was that was the face of my first book, Uncommon Sense, the state is out of date.
	And that I left the shop.
	I licensed a lot of images to people for a few years, but I realized one of the I got some great lessons from my dad in life.
	But this one of the lessons he told me was a picture is worth 1000 words.
	Well, in the case of Fractals, it wasn't.
	I needed to write those thousand words, because people weren't just getting it from a pretty picture, as I may have built up on it.
	So that was the book.
	And that led to the next book, because it had such an influence on the people who read it, and such a changing influence on my own life, having done that.
	Then I set out to write a new book and that was The Son of God, S-U-N, because I suddenly realized that this is the biggest cover-up in history.
	You know, the sun's been locked away in a closet for 17 centuries.
	The actual source of the light of life, you know, the energy That we live our lives with is all recycled solar energy.
	We're made from stardust.
	And it's like we're all players in the movie of life.
	And there's this main character in the movie.
	that around which everything else is centered and which feeds everything else the star of the movie and we don't even know who it is we don't even recognize that star we think it's a little bit of furniture that's part of the set that happens to conveniently do all this stuff and um and I just think it's time to bring the sun out of the closet and and
	Put it back in its rightful place, because it's the most important missing piece of the jigsaw puzzle.
	All right, well, and that's a very interesting direction to go in.
	I think that the ancient Egyptians would probably agree with your assessment.
	But aside from that, just to finish off the other subject, because perhaps there is a link up between the two, which is the idea that In a sense, what you ended up talking about, or where you seem to be going with chaos theory, was also the idea that a revolution happens naturally.
	And that when a system is ready for change, it basically morphs itself from the bottom up.
	And I'm interested in that, because as Project Camelot, we're actually involved in that process right now and and what i see is that that is exactly what's happening
	and uh and and that we're changing the game in the process so that the idea of the revolutionary this of the 60s that didn't really take off it got to a certain point and kind of ran out of gas so to speak has is really now materializing uh in manifesting might be a better word here on the planet in a really big way.
	And I think that it just took a certain bit of time for it to, as you say, self-organize.
	And that's actually what's happening.
	So is that where your mind was going?
	Because I haven't read your book, but I was just curious.
	Yeah, and I would say the 60s, they didn't so much fizzle out, they were stomped out.
	In the 60s, we were seeing the need to be environmental, to be green, to eat natural organic foods, to have a lower footprint upon the planet.
	And part of what fueled that awareness
	was psychedelic drugs that enabled people to step outside of this headset that we've been brought up in and actually look at the world from different perspectives and um and reconnect with it and that was that was really actively suppressed because when kids started putting flowers in the barrels of guns it scared the shit out of those guys
	And now, you know, now, many years later, we're finally catching up.
	I mean, with rock music, you can get there in a couple of years and become superstars.
	But here it's taken 30 years, 40 years for some of these ideas to finally get back in the culture.
	But we wouldn't need words like carbon footprint and ozone hole If we hadn't snuffed this out in the 60s.
	But yeah, I think what I saw with Chaos Theory, again, it's the power of freedom, which you're experiencing.
	The more freedom we have, the more beautiful things we organize out of it.
	And so the first book was really taking Taking the carpet out from the whole concept of organized government, which is not... Yeah, they used to really be there to protect us from other versions of themselves and nothing more.
	Now they're sort of... just running everything, you know?
	I mean, 5% or less used to be taxation.
	It used to go up to 10% during a war and then back down to 2 or 3.
	And now it's 50 plus.
	It's extraordinary burden, but anyway.
	Well, and I have to say, you know, because you're living in one of the most heavily surveilled societies, and I would even say maybe controlled as well, England.
	Much more so than America.
	It's extraordinary.
	Yeah, and so that's got to be kind of blowing your mind on a regular basis.
	And I assume that you're familiar both with the work of David Icke, but also Graham Hancock.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Graham Hancock wrote The Four Roots of Son of God.
	Oh, fabulous.
	And you know, he's going to be speaking at my Awake and Aware conference in In the fall.
	And I've interviewed him as well.
	I don't know if you happen to see that interview.
	Yeah, I've seen that.
	Oh, yeah.
	Cool.
	I know Graham well.
	He's a fabulous man.
	Yeah.
	Brilliant, brilliant man.
	And going down all these directions himself on his own trajectory.
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	When we come back, let's get into Son of God and see where we can take that, okay?
	Okay, great.
	Thank you.
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	This is Carrie Cassidy, Project Camelot, Whistleblower Radio, and we're talking to Gregory Sams.
	Author of Son of God and a very fascinating book.
	The whole idea is actually really on the money, I think, at the moment for where we're going as a society and what's possibly in store for us in the future.
	Because the sun is very much a part of our lives, of course, as the Egyptians certainly knew.
	Going forward, I think that there are some sort of hidden mysteries with regard to the sun, and I'm wondering what of those mysteries you might have revealed in your book?
	Well, I think... I've got an echo coming through.
	You got it there?
	No, I think we're okay.
	At least on my side, we're okay.
	I don't hear an echo.
	Okay, cool.
	What I'm getting across is the nature of the sun itself.
	That is the main mystery that we're missing.
	Because we've got lots of studies and have had for years of Of the pyramids and of the Mayan calendar and of Stonehenge and Druid culture.
	And there's one thing that binds all of those cultures together and every culture across the world from Japan to the Americas to Egypt and Greece and Romans was the recognition that the sun
	The source of life is a living thing itself, and that's the natural, hardwired, intuitive response to the situation around us.
	And it was only for one reason that we now look on that concept as primitive and ignorant, and that's because it was forcibly burned out of the culture.
	For a very long period, because that was the big competition.
	That was the old way, which had to be suppressed.
	And it was a case of might is right.
	And the Roman Empire, when it adopted Christianity as its official religion, had the might.
	And this was imposed.
	And as we know, lots of the Christmas Day was the traditional birthday of the sun, and there are so many different connections that were made to make the sort of as few changes necessary as possible.
	But that was when we stopped realizing what the sun was about.
	And once we take that on board, we then can make a lot more sense of the things we learn about the cosmos.
	Because some of the ancient people, whilst they knew the nature of the sun, they didn't know the nature of the greater universe in the sense that we do now.
	They didn't necessarily know that the sun was one of the many stars in the sky.
	And when you add the hardwired understanding of stellar consciousness, solar consciousness, To what we know about the galaxies in the universe, things make so much more sense.
	The science makes more sense and it's not accidental that stars live in communities and in groups.
	They're not scattered randomly.
	They live as couples.
	I mean, almost all stars have a partner star and they sort of spin around each other as they travel through the galaxy.
	Stars are connected by electromagnetic fields which links different stars to each other across galaxies.
	Our Earth is connected to the Sun by an electromagnetic portal that NASA discovered three years ago.
	That's the diameter of the Earth that comes straight off of the Sun's corona and every eight and a bit minutes tons of high-energy particles pass back and forth between those two Through that field, I mean, it's just incredible, um, organization going on out there.
	And, um, and we're sort of, it reminds me of a story in, um, Gulliver's Travels, where he's washed up on the shores of Lilliput and his hat has come off his head and is like found yards up the beach away from him.
	And they send this hat off to the scientists of Lilliput because they're really big scientists and they measured it and they got the density of it and the proportions and the ratios from the top to the bottom but they never realized it was a piece of headwear.
	The purpose of this hat but they knew everything else there was to know about it and you know when you add the the purpose of the universe and the nature of the stars into all the fantastic information that the scientists and our different satellites and telescopes in space are feeding us, you get the big picture.
	And the only reason scientists don't look at that picture is because the church used to burn them if they did.
	And the church opened all the original schools and universities And scientists just were not allowed to go there, and it's an ecclesiastical taboo.
	Because there's no reason why scientists can't study matters of spirit and apply the scientific method, but open their minds up to it.
	I mean, they believe that a butterfly's wing flap can change weather systems thousands of miles away.
	But they still don't believe that the position of the moon, which can lift oceans, or the position of the sun, which can spin planets around it, might have any impact upon the sensitive lives of human beings, or the development of a fetus.
	No, that would be, that would be occult.
	You're not allowed to go there, but you can look at a butterfly wing flap and see the effect of that.
	So it's a prejudice.
	Sure.
	Now, in terms of, have you gotten into the idea of, you know, breatharians, where they use the sun as energy?
	I have gotten into it to the degree that I'm familiar with it.
	I do sun gazing Quite a lot myself, and I have a really good appetite as well, but maybe that's because of my food background.
	I really love my food, and I like letting other things do the photosynthesis for me, but I'm familiar with that, and I've met HRM, and he claims not to have eaten for 17 years or so, and he seems like a very straightforward guy.
	He's not selling a product or Got anything to gain from that?
	Well, in terms of, you say, you know, understanding the universe and understanding the role of, and I see from, you know, the promo information on your site that you look at the Sun as a being, and I think that's perfectly valid.
	My understanding is that, in fact, the Earth is a being.
	And that in fact, you know, the stars are beings and so on and so forth.
	In other words, the other planets are beings as well.
	So, that's not really a departure if you follow that sort of line of reasoning.
	And certainly in occult circles, you know, the idea that no matter what it is, it may have consciousness.
	Is completely in keeping with, you know, what some people would call witchcraft, other people might call, you know, magic, whatever you want to call it.
	And so, you know, that all makes sense and certainly shamans have been using, you know, these energies and working with these energies and using them in healing and so on and so forth.
	And I'm wondering, in your book, What exactly, like, what was the trajectory of the reasoning that you used?
	Did you, did you explore the past and then go from a certain place to, to, to talking on a more scientific level?
	Or did you come, go to the reverse?
	Or how did, what, what was your?
	Let me just rewind for a second, because it's not, whilst you, whilst you say it, it is, it is absolutely in keeping with all things occult or pagan.
	Nevertheless, when I took my book into the Atlantis Bookshop, which is England's legendary occult bookstore next to the British Library, the owner and manager, S. Geraldine, was thrilled to see the book and she spread her arms wide and said, we've got this many books in here on the moon, but we haven't got a single book on the sun.
	And I've had Warlocks come up to me or a warlock came up to me after one of my talks and he said you're right, you know, we do all these ceremonies, but we don't honor Luke, you know and So, it really isn't that obvious, but that's the sort of light I'm shining.
	Yeah, I appreciate that.
	When you get that, though, you do have to explore, well, how did the sun come into being?
	And, of course, I recognize the sun is one of many stars.
	In fact, the subtitle for the book at one point was, Son of God, it may be everything to us, but it's just a bright spark in the mind of the universe.
	And when you look at how the sun and stars are formed, you realize that everything is infused with consciousness.
	And that it's self-organizing from the atomic level upwards, from the original clouds of dust in the universe.
	formed into stars, these sort of seven-level, you know, it's a very complex organism, a star.
	Okay.
	Yeah, let's get into the nature of a star when we come right back.
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	Sams, who's written a book called Son of God. - Okay.
	Gregory, are you there?
	I'm here, yeah.
	Okay, very good.
	So, right before the last commercial, and we have one more hour in the show, I hope you're going to be able to hang in there.
	I know it's quite late in the UK, and I appreciate you being a trooper and staying awake for all of this.
	It's only four in the morning.
	Okay, I didn't realize it was quite that late.
	Oh, my God.
	Okay, well, that's really amazing.
	I really do appreciate it.
	I have to say that I've done my radio show from South Africa at four in the morning, so I know the feeling.
	When I was traveling, you know, because I tried to once in a while do it from wherever I am.
	But at any rate, to get back to the subject, so what you're talking about is the sun as a star and how it's created and actually it occurs to me, you know, in reality that like any being it's going through various sort of transitions and metamorphosis to become something else.
	And do you also explore that notion?
	Yes, I mean, stars come and there are many varieties of stars as well, and they reform as new stars.
	It's like, it seems to be the nature of that original matter, however that arrived in the universe.
	But the first thing it started to do was to self-organize into energy creating devices called stars, it was like if the universe was 100 years old, it was within its first two or three years, that stars started to, you know, first lit it up.
	And that the stars then converted that hydrogen, largely hydrogen and some helium The elements of the periodic table in a supernova, it turns them into silver and gold and iron and copper and the heavier metals.
	But in the normal course of a star, it converts it into the carbon and the oxygen and the essential elements of life.
	And structure of the planet.
	So that's, they just fabricate new matter out of those incredible, those early raw ingredients of just, you know, hydrogen, one, one electron circling one proton.
	And it's stars that have transformed all of that and, and creating light in the process.
	Okay.
	So, but in terms of what's happening, for example, to our sun and the sort of predicted solar maximums that actually haven't happened quite as they predicted yet, and then the idea that they may still and then the idea that they may still be to come, and then affecting our Earth in a very, well, what might be a very traumatic way sometime in the near future.
	Have you explored that?
	Yeah, and it's not going to affect the Earth traumatically.
	It's going to affect our telecommunications and power systems dramatically because that's what it does.
	But you're talking about the solar maximum and minimums that have been predicted and that aren't falling into place, and that's the point about the sun.
	Certain aspects of the sun are not predictable because they're not mechanical, and we can't guess that it's always going to do things just like it's always done before because it doesn't work like clockwork at that level.
	And those many features of the sun, they're all considered controlled by the corona of the sun, which is the energy field that surrounds the sun and takes up more space than the sun itself.
	And the solar scientists believe that manages these systems that may or may not melt our power systems.
	um you But it's not predictable.
	It's not... We've been looking at some spot for 400 years and we still can't exactly predict what it's going to do.
	But it's certainly the main driver of climate on this planet.
	Okay, but to get back to this idea that the sun is not predictable and the notion that it is a being, because if that is the case, and I would say that everything else in the universe seems to have a certain amount of consciousness, almost regardless of what it is, so there's no reason why the sun wouldn't also, but
	I'm not sure that being not predictable is necessarily a corollary of that.
	What are we saying in terms of what is affecting, because the Sun is affected by certain things, and I don't know if you're familiar with the work of Paula Violette and the super wave theory.
	No.
	Okay, and because what we're talking about and what we've We've been exploring in Camelot a lot is the energy that is coming into the solar system at this time, transforming all the planets, not just Earth, and consequently also humanity and possibly our DNA and consciousness altogether.
	And the idea that this energy may also be affecting the sun.
	The idea that incoming bodies may also affect the sun.
	And so, when you say it's not predictable, are you looking at something to say that there's anything, any kind of cyclical nature of the sun?
	Because there's also the notion that a pole reversal on the earth is preceded In history, the evidence is by a pole reversal on the sun.
	Things of that nature.
	That could be something that is looming.
	We don't know.
	You know, we can't say for sure whether that's going to happen next year or many years hence.
	Because they don't, you know, they come every However many thousand years it is apart.
	So, and I have seen lots of evidence pointing towards one of those happening.
	I'm not really focusing on the negative possibilities.
	Well, I think there's a value judgment that we might put place on this.
	I don't think in terms of the solar system, that's something that, you know, I don't think the sun would see it as negative, so to speak.
	In other words, if there's an energy coming, it's not negative, actually, on the tray, it's actually transformative.
	And, you know, and I think that most people would agree that we could use some transforming on this earth and that that would actually be a positive thing.
	So I'm not seeing it as negative, personally, anyway.
	But what I am looking at is the fact that You may not feel that the sun is predictable, but I'm wondering, as a body, if it has consciousness, it is affected by other bodies out there.
	Absolutely, yeah.
	And do you explore that notion that certain things, even the possibility that human consciousness itself, in other words, it's usually not a one-way street, it's a two-way street, so that if the sun affects us, then we affect the sun.
	Yeah, it's very much a two way street.
	And you can you can feel that two way street.
	Once you once you send back, you know, you once you respond to the sun's vibrations, or to a star's vibrations, even when you when you sort of stargazing at night, you're actually absorbing a vibration from a distant star and a very different star to our own one.
	And light It's a conveyor of intelligence.
	It's the fundamental underlying consciousness of the universe is expressed through light.
	Our DNA connects, speaks to itself, to each other with photons from cell to cell.
	The energy of life is energy.
	It's not all the matter stuff.
	Sure, and I think that that's a very good point, and I think that intelligence being conveyed through light is a very good way to put it.
	But the notion that, in other words, that we can communicate, because in essence that's what astrology is all about.
	Yeah.
	Go right ahead.
	I was giving my talk at a festival under the auspices of England's most famous astrologer, Jonathan Kainer, who does the column for one of the main newspapers here, the Daily Mail, and he's a sun sign astrologer, and he took the microphone after I finished my talk
	And he said, you know, you sometimes hear about people who go to a party and they take some pill and their lives are changed forever.
	And he said, well, when I was listening to this lecture, I took that pill because suddenly he understood the nature of the work he'd been doing, that he was doing, and he'd never quite recognized.
	And for him, that suddenly, you know, makes so much more of his astrology.
	Because it makes sense when we're receiving energies from different life, different beings out there with different characters, with different personalities that is going to affect us.
	They've got things going on.
	And as you say, the climates on all the planets are changing.
	And whether that's an outside influence from outside the solar system or whether it's a solar influence generated through the heliosphere, which we don't understand at all, but that's that wonderful electromagnetic bubble that the sun spins off, which holds the solar system in... but that's that wonderful electromagnetic bubble that the sun spins In a little embrace, it's like a cocoon around it as we travel half a million miles per hour through space.
	So it's, it is a living system and I, that's what we have to add in to the mechanics of What is going on as different star systems affect each other?
	And it's something that Walter Crudenden explored in his book, Lost Star of Myth and Time, which identified Sirius as the partner star to our Sun and showed how the relative positions of Sirius and our Sun as they Travel as a pair through the galaxy affected the ages of mankind.
	It affected the whole nature of our culture and the whole nature of human thought by the proximities of those two stars.
	Well, that is an interesting point that you're bringing up.
	I don't know if you're familiar with the work of Wayne Herschel.
	Perhaps you are.
	At any rate, he's actually Positing on the Giza Plateau that Sirius is a lot more important in what the Egyptians were indicating than actually Orion.
	And, you know, if indeed, I mean, I don't know Creighton's work, so I can't say exactly what he's talking about, but if, as you say, he's positing that the Sun, that the partner to the Sun, as you say, the stars all have partners, if the partner to the Sun was Sirius, then that might explain a lot more to us about
	Where we come from and the influences on not just our sun, but also on us and on our solar system in general.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	It's that the whole understanding of that used to be part of human culture.
	And it was incorporated into the design of the pyramids, of Stonehenge, of solar monuments all over the world.
	They weren't just a waste of time and space.
	They were some sort of tools to either bring the energies in from these stars or to send energies out to the stars.
	And we We'd probably know a lot more about that had the Library of Alexandria and many of the ancient storehouses of knowledge and learning been destroyed when everything pagan was being destroyed.
	There must have been whole sections of the Library of Alexandria on building pyramids.
	And what that was all about, but that's all, you know, we've lost most of that knowledge, unless it's still locked away in the bottom of the Vatican somewhere.
	Well, exactly, which is highly possible.
	I think we used to have that technology, and using the technology we've got today, maybe we can do some of these things without needing to build a pyramid.
	To do it, but we have to kind of reconnect with those energies and recalibrate for that, and that's something science is good at.
	So, but are you... I mean, there's a few different directions that I'm thinking of at this moment, because one of the things also that seems to be happening is the activation of DNA.
	Um, strands of DNA that have not been active in humanity for, for eons, suddenly becoming activated.
	And it is said that part of that is being stimulated by the sun itself.
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	Gregory, just before the break, I was asking you about what was going on with regard to human DNA and the fact that it's being activated at this time.
	And there's, I believe, substantial evidence of that and the idea that we can also activate our own DNA and take what is maybe termed junk DNA and make it legitimate And actually, I don't know if you're familiar with the work of Ashiana Dean, but the idea being that we can activate 12 strands of DNA.
	So, have you gone down that road at all, in the fact that the sun might be working with us to do that?
	I think the whole idea of activation of DNA is a fascinating one.
	And it could well be a regular, you know, something that's been happening throughout civilization.
	But it's not something that we've been able to track.
	Is there anything we can do with that?
	I mean, I think that would be a great... It certainly beats genetically modifying things.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	I'm more comfortable with it.
	But we do have this sort of the indigo kid, children phenomena, these sort of super talented kids being born.
	And that's, we need something, we need something.
	Okay, well, at the moment, the idea here is also that there's a tremendous amount of radiation and that the, I forget what they call it, but that the normal shield between us and the sun is thinning.
	Well, the Earth has its own magnetic field.
	That is as do all the planets that are couched in the sun's magnetic field.
	And yeah, I think it's a it's not a conflict situation.
	And I mean, if ours might, it might be weakening.
	And a lot of our awareness of this is because of its impact on our technology.
	The last time it happened, the only consequences were that a lot of telegraph lines came down in 1859.
	And when a coronal mass ejection hit Earth and the Earth's shield wasn't sufficient to stop it from coming through, you could read newspapers at night in Havana.
	During the Carrington event, and that happens, and it's technology, we're stuffed, but it's only like only like the impact one part of the planet at a time.
	And the Iraqi people have survived shock and awe when you know, America went in and blew apart their complete infrastructure.
	And people survived it.
	So I've got great faith in humans ability to organize.
	Yes, I appreciate that.
	But But what about the notion that it's not just going to affect our technology, but that in fact, you know, the weakening, I guess, magnetic field is part of that, but also it is said that there could, you know, in other words, that therefore there could be such a thing as, I don't know if you've heard this phrase, kill shot from the sun, but that there could be a CME
	of such magnitude that it burns everything in its path, and that perhaps there could be some events of that nature in our future as a result of the weakening sort of atmospheric and that perhaps there could be some events of that nature in our future as a result of the weakening
	The other thing is the obvious thing of cancers and that humans are also there's also something else going on simultaneously with regard to our ridiculous nuclear power plants around the world.
	Being affected at this time, and the radiations being released there as well.
	So what it, I mean, what I'm getting at here is that there seems to be something to do with radiation, whether it be something we generate here on Earth because of our nuclear power plants, you know, melting down, or whether the shield between us and the sun
	We're being exposed to radiation, and I'm wondering if the scientific aspect of that, because it sounds like you have a science background enough to be able to assess that, what it means in terms of us as beings.
	In other words, what is the nature of what is really radiation, for example, from the sun?
	What is it composed of?
	The one that we're concerned about is plasma, and that's a state of matter that we're not familiar with because it's very conducive to electromagnetic energy, and it's hot. and it's hot.
	And we don't really see plasma.
	We've got plasma balls and during lightning, lightning travels through air that has been turned into a plasma.
	But isn't this, I mean, there's a growing science that's getting involved in plasma physics, isn't there?
	There is, for sure.
	99% of the universe is plasma, but
	You're talking about radiation, you're talking about the shield, and it's, you know, I'm much more concerned about Fukushima, and, you know, we have this sort of incredible, you know, ability to self-damage ourselves and the planet, and I'm not, you know, the nuclear power plants aren't going down because there's any shield difference between the sun and the earth, they're going down because, you know,
	We have the arrogance to build them in the first place and assume that we're going to be able to look after them, not just for a hundred years, but for hundreds of thousands of years, you know?
	What about the notion there's a top-down, you know, even maybe possibly a built-in obsolescence that the powers, I mean, this is how, you know, I'm from the conspiracy camp where I see, you know, premeditated thought in everything that's going on.
	Yeah.
	In a way.
	So what is going on here where we're having, you know, these things are seeming to go one right after the other.
	We have several things happening right now in the United States out of the blue.
	I know.
	You've got three going on there and possibly more.
	Right.
	No, it's not.
	It's a nuclear power industry nightmare.
	This isn't what they wanted to happen.
	They've got hundreds more of these atrocities they want to put up all over the planet.
	Yeah, they're still pushing for it.
	And now it's, you know, hit America, America started to glance and I mean, we can't, we can't guarantee against Earthquakes and volcanoes and the sort of things that the Earth does in the hundreds of thousands of years that we should be protecting these plants because we've created something so toxic it can wipe out all life on Earth.
	And I just I mean, if I was really worried about the shield between the earth and the sun, then I would have bought a cave home in the south of Spain years ago when I first looked at them and I thought, no, I'm not going to live in a cave.
	Well, yeah, and there are some people that do think along those lines, you know, for better or worse, so to speak.
	But in terms of I was just trying to sort of drill down into the nature of radiation and what perhaps is really going on and maybe the dialogue that's going on, I don't know, between the being of the sun and the plasma that is sort of enveloping us and all the rest of the planets.
	Plasma is almost like a conductive material, right?
	Yeah, but it doesn't get through.
	Normally.
	And plasma is... anything in the state of plasma is conductive because it hasn't got that sort of neat balance of electrons and protons that we have in solid matter.
	Once you've got that, stuff is solid and it's got a shape and a form.
	Whereas plasma is always fluid and it's always looking for an extra electron.
	So it just Electricity runs courses through it.
	I mean that the whole all the stars they're just they're just
	Of course, with energy fields on the surface of the Sun, there's like lots and lots of different interacting energy fields, as well as all the action going on in the interior of the Sun, in which several of the layers in the interior of the Sun turn at different speeds around each other, which is thought to maybe create a dynamo effect.
	So that's So many things going on there, and we are in a balanced system.
	But if polls shift again, what can we do about that other than live in a cave?
	Well, I mean, no, but let's get back to your earlier book in which you talk about the self-organizing systems that, you know, are born out of the fractal universe notion, because I think that that has value, and the idea here is that as systems sort of implode or destroy themselves, other systems are going to be emerging, because that's just the nature of matter.
	And manifestation, right?
	So that perhaps, I mean, something new is going to emerge out of all this.
	What?
	I don't know.
	You know, you can certainly conjecture about that all day.
	I mean, we've got something nice going on with life, and I'm sure there's all sorts of, you know, possibly far superior things going on on Jupiter that we just can't imagine because we're not, you know, we are life.
	But life is It's pretty good because we're taking, what's special about us is we're taking in stored energy of the sun and we're turning it into the energy of life.
	We're sort of manifesting sunlight in different ways as does everything on this planet is sunlight experiencing different aspects of existence because of the whole vegetable world.
	is made from water, air and sunlight.
	And that's why it's called photosynthesis, because it means made by light.
	And somehow that light is what turns water and air into something much more exciting than a fizzy drink that you and I know.
	Trees and Forests and algae which form the whole basis of the oceanic food chain and that's the vibration of the sun that we're receiving and that is so beneficial to us and yet we're still being taught to be frightened of the sun.
	You know, from putting lotions on and wearing UV sunglasses and all these things to sort of, you know, we've been living with the sun for a couple of million years.
	And suddenly we need to protect ourselves in all these special ways.
	And, um, well, yeah, and actually, we need more people to love the sun and to appreciate the sun's love for us.
	And if it all goes topsy turvy, That's still not a bad thing to be doing, because we are receiving those vibrations of life from the Sun, and using them to fuel our existence, and that is our local vibration, and it's our source of the Divine Light, which pervades the Universe.
	But this is our local broadcaster and we really need more reasons to love it and less reasons to fear it because without it we wouldn't be.
	Well certainly not in this dimension at any rate.
	We've been here just a couple million We're around for 70 million years, so we've got the same staying power.
	Yeah, at the least.
	Well, what about the notion that the sun may be a portal?
	Absolutely.
	I mean, the stars are portals.
	Our sun is a portal.
	We'll be right back and address that question on the last 20 minutes of the show and we'll take questions from the audience in the chat room at that time as well.
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	This is Carrie Cassidy, Project Camelot Whistleblower Radio, and we're talking to Gregory Sams.
	Gregory, let's see, right before the break, where were we going?
	Because I'm actually, I think I lost the thread.
	I think we were talking about these magnetic fields that connect Or stars to each other, connect our Sun to the Earth.
	They've got sort of four lights that are looking for these fields and finding them, that they're a feature of the universe.
	Because they span galaxies and they crisscross within the galaxy.
	And it's this very connected system.
	So these configurations, but the configurations, actually I have a person, I don't know if you know his work at all, his name is Keith Hunter, somebody who I just interviewed recently and also had on my Ellen and conference, but he's talking about that very thing, in fact he's talking about specific configurations with the Sun.
	That then open sort of portals on certain parts of the earth, at certain periods.
	Have you gone down that road at all?
	I've looked at it, and then I've looked at many of the people who are studying these things, and what I'm seeking to add to it, because it's something not many of them discuss, which is the actual consciousness
	of the objects that they're studying and they're coming out in the open and seeing them as conscious forms probably deserving divine status because of what's going on and I just I think that's an important part
	To pull them to make more sense and get more value from the information that Keith Hunter and and other researchers are studying.
	And it's that's, I'm not doing the scientific research, it says, as I did with the food, it's the first thing is convincing people that food affects health.
	And We then go along the right track once we recognize that connection and recognizing stellar consciousness enables so much more to be made of the information, the incredible information we're finding out about how they might influence each other and the nature of the connections.
	The Really hardcore understanding of stellar consciousness makes all that much more valuable.
	That's what I'm really adding to the table.
	It adds a whole new dimension.
	It sheds so much light on light itself when you understand the nature of that product of stars.
	And in our language, we use terms like shedding light, or seeing the light, or being illuminated, or being enlightened.
	And we're always associating light in our language with intelligence, and with bringing and bestowing intelligence, as if the light itself is intelligence.
	In our language, we recognize the consciousness of light itself, and that's the sort of all-reaching, all-pervading consciousness of it.
	But we don't recognize it as just a figure of speech.
	But I believe, I think any language in the world uses light in connection with illumination, and seeing the light, and being brilliant, and inspired, and things like that.
	Well, that makes a lot of sense.
	I would say that the idea that one can possibly gain intelligence from light is, I think, a very viable idea.
	It's not You know, and the idea that there might be required, you know, a certain openness, or even reverence, if you know, using that in that in sort of, I don't like to use the term worshipping, because I don't think that's what's required.
	I think that that's actually, you know, a wrong ended way of looking at it.
	But I do think that there's a certain openness or Or care that maybe can allow the light to come in, in such a way that one provides, makes oneself, you know, a fertile ground for that light.
	I mean, that's called, I mean, there's a word for it, which is illuminating.
	You know, when you let the light in, you are illuminated.
	And worship, In the Vedic sense of the word worship, it implies imbuing the qualities of that which you are worshipping.
	So it's not just ritualized behavior, but it's actually taking in, absorbing those energies.
	Not sort of groveling face down in the mud and saying, you know, I'm a terrible sinner.
	It's a two-way communication in a sense.
	If the word's been debased, if you like, and sun worship is everybody thinks it's got that primitive and ignorant tag to it, which I think we must scrub out of our culture.
	Well, yeah, that's a very good point.
	Now, we have very little time here, I'm sorry, because we've been trying to go down this road and we have about five to ten minutes at the most, but we do have a chat room and they've got some questions here, so I want to run some of them by you if we can do so in a brief span of time here.
	Somebody's saying, because silica is under carbon on the periodic table, also Barbara of the book, A message from the Pleiadians.
	She even states that the sun revolves around Alcyon in the Pleiades and a photon belt, which are Alcyon's rings.
	Does that make sense to you?
	It might do, but again, it's the focus on the mechanics.
	of what's going on and what's connected to what without actually recognizing that those are the stars of the movies and their and their their characters their personalities and that's that's what those links are about um and it's not just a you know It's not just looking at them, it's looking at what they are.
	So in terms of that, with food, we don't want to just look at nothing but the tables of amino acids and vitamins and minerals, we want to look for vital, vital food that's got the energy of life in it, not, not just a bunch of analytical tables.
	Okay, so in a certain sense, what it seems also that you're alluding to here is, is what's the notion of feeling, in other words, having a sense of feeling, which is a combination of heart and intelligence.
	When considering the sun as a being, in other words, it's the feeling you get, which is a little, it's a different way of approaching the matter.
	Yeah, it's connecting, connecting with it, responding to it, being grateful to it.
	It's, I mean, there's many, many places to express our gratitude for this wonderful life.
	But the sun is probably the best place because it is the, it is key to everything.
	I mean, it's key to there being, you know, matter, to a place to be, to the energy of life.
	And that is, that's, it's love coming from it.
	And yeah, that's what we really, that's the message I'm really getting across is to bring the sun out of the cupboard and bring it back into our lives and stop, stop fearing it.
	So, in terms of maybe telling people a little bit about what you do in order to kind of incorporate this into your life in a more positive way, maybe you want to share at these last moments what kind of process you go through?
	Well, originally I would just Look at the sun with my eyes shut.
	So I'd have my eyes shut, face the sun, but feel the vibrations coming into my body, breathe them in.
	As I inhale, feel the sunlight coming into my body.
	As I exhale, you know, getting rid of any sort of garbage and things I want to expel and just but pulling the sunlight in and feeling it.
	Recharging, recharging my body and And I love staring at the sun.
	The simplest way, the safest way, is through puddles and cloudy skies when you sometimes see the outline of it.
	But there's a whole technique of sun gazing which you have to study because otherwise you can damage your eyes.
	You have to be careful with that.
	But it's a very empowering connection.
	It's a two-way connection.
	You're there and The sun knows that you're connected to it.
	Yes, absolutely.
	Well, I think that's very beautiful.
	I, myself, do do that.
	And I find it to be a valuable exercise.
	And I think it's very good for for people to to explore that.
	And I think we're going to be doing more of that as a society in coming years.
	So thank you, Gregory Sams, very much for for coming on my show.
	I appreciate it.
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