Barcelona Exopolitics Summit Speakers Panel, moderated by Project Camelot, 23 July 2009 - Part 1/2
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- - So, this is this is Bill Ryan here and Carrie Cassidy.
...from Project Camelot, and we are honoured, genuinely honoured and privileged to have been invited here to the ExoPolitics Summit in Barcelona, and the date today, somebody, is...
23rd of July 2009.
Excellent.
This is the guy from the Ministry of Defence who always knows what David is.
Thank you very much, Nick.
What we are doing here is we're gathering the opportunity to talk with...
Most of the speakers who are appearing here this weekend are on Spain's first ExoPolitics Summit.
And this is a formal, informal gathering, a meeting of great minds, a considerable experience between us, I think.
I won't add up the number of years, it might be embarrassing.
We're just going to talk about the general subject of disclosure and just see, once we kick that ball off, where it might go in the next hour and a half.
Kerry.
And I would like to say that we are going to do a transition about an hour and a half into this onto live radio.
So I just want to say that caveat right at the beginning.
On top of it, we decided we would start out with introductions.
So we're going to go around the table and do some brief introductions of all the speakers here.
I want to start off with Pala Harris.
My name is Paola Harris.
I'm an Italo-American journalist.
I've been working in this field for 30 years.
I began working with Dr.
Jalen Hynek, astronomer, researcher, professor of Northwestern University, because he was a consultant to Steven Spielberg for Close Encounters of the Third Kind.
And so I saw the film, and I went to see him, and he was my teacher for six years.
I knew this was real because I started with a scientist who was working in this field.
I just want to say that I graduated, because I'm a teacher, also have a master's in education, from ufology to what I call exo-politics.
And my definition of exo-politics is the formal academic study Of the UFO phenomenon and contact and its political and sociological implications for the planet.
And so now I am mainly in that field and I've written three books, the last book all the way above, which talks about possible protocols of exopolitics.
Protocols, things like we need to look at a...
Universal and planetary involvement.
This is not an American problem.
It's not a French problem.
It's not a German problem.
It is a planetary problem.
So that's where I'm coming from.
That would be my focus.
That would be my talk.
And that is what I'm interested in.
Thank you very much.
Dr.
Brian O'Leary.
My name is Brian O'Leary.
In 1967, I was appointed to go to Mars by NASA as an astronaut.
And then when the US got involved in Vietnam, I became a free energy activist and a peace activist.
And the contact experience and the whole UFO phenomenon, to me, ushers in many more things that can help us with our own problems here on the planet.
My principal activity over the last several years is to visit the laboratories of some of the best and brightest so-called zero-point and other breakthrough clean energy concepts.
My latest book, The Energy Solution Revolution, talks about the politics and the social implications of a breakthrough energy economy.
And I think that the energy and because of the suppression of free energy technologies which has been rampant and the high danger of doing this kind of work makes it extremely symbiotic with the whole question of UFO ET disclosures.
So to me, exapolitics means going outside the box of normal inquiry And being able to embrace those technologies which can truly create a sustainable future for planet Earth.
Wonderful.
You know, Brian, they are sending people to Mars now, so you still have a shot.
So I understand.
And from what we understand, all you do is walk into a sort of like elevator, jump room to Mars, and so there's no flight actually involved.
Well, that sure beats chemical rockets.
You bet.
But that's another story.
And now...
I'd like to...
Do you know what?
I'd love to call you Dr.
Bob Dean.
I think we should start calling you Dr.
Bob Dean.
Call me anything you like.
But don't you say Sergeant Major?
Command Sergeant Major.
Command Sergeant Major.
Okay.
Bob, who are you?
Tell the world.
This is your chance.
I have to stand up.
I don't talk well sitting now.
Very good.
I first became aware of the extraterrestrial presence 45 years ago.
But I didn't come out and start speaking about it until 1991.
I took a note when I was in the military.
I had a cosmic top secret clearance while I was at shape headquarters in Paris.
And I took an oath not to divulge any of the classified material that I had learned while I was in the service and while I was in Paris.
And I kept myself to that oath until 1991.
And a couple of events occurred in 1991 that outraged me to such a point that I could not keep quiet any longer.
A good friend of mine, an Air Force fighter pilot, had just gotten back from a full tour in Japan.
And he was flying his jet over Florida and he had an incident in the sky, 40,000.
Where he looked out of his canopy to the left and he happened to see a circular disc with a dome and he found himself looking into the face of another human being looking at him.
When he got back on the ground, he had to talk to somebody about it and explain what happened.
Well, speaking openly about it was his mistake.
The Air Force grabbed him, sent him to Newfoundland, to the United States Air Force Base, in Newfoundland, without his family.
Now back in those days they did things like that.
I've been told that they don't do those things anymore, but I don't believe that.
Another thing that brought me out of the closet, as it were, a figure of speech, I was denied a promotion for a job.
I was working in Pima County as an emergency services, special operations, field operations.
My boss retired.
I applied for his job.
I went through the entire hiring process and I was turned down to the job.
I confronted the sheriff who happened to have the hiring authority at the time.
And I was told that, well, you're one of those people who speaks out a little bit openly about UFOs.
I can't have you working in the Department of Emergency Services.
And if you'll forgive my French, I got myself the meanest lawyer in town.
And I stood the sun a bit.
And I went through two years of litigation.
Spent $20,000 in money that I did not have.
And after two years of litigation, I won the lawsuit.
I got the job.
I got the back pay.
And I got $100,000 of tort and damages.
But I was so outraged at these two incidents that I had been denied a job promotion and my good friend had been sent to Newfoundland without his family.
And I reached such a level of outrage Frustration, anger, aggravation that I began to violate my national security oath and speak openly about what I had learned, what I had been shown, what I had been told, because I had had top secret clearances all my career.
Anger is a great motivator.
You see, I'm not an easy person to get along with sometimes.
For the very nature of the fact that I retired as a command sergeant major, we had a reputation, all of the retired command sergeant majors have a reputation of being able to chew ass and take names, as we used to say.
So I have no patience.
I have no toleration for lies.
So I came out of the closet in 1991.
I've been speaking openly and bluntly about this subject and I want to say to you all who are here that this is the greatest, most important subject in the history of the human race.
Because essentially it is the story of the human race.
Ladies and gentlemen, good friends, all of you.
We are not alone, and we have never been alone.
We have had an intimate interrelationship with advanced extraterrestrial intelligence from the beginning of our history.
And that interrelationship is still going on, and I'm very gratified to be a part of this conference here in Barcelona.
To make it very clear to anyone who's interested is that I take my hat off to the sponsors of this program.
For having the courage to do what they're doing here.
This is important.
So pay attention and listen.
Because you ain't seen nothing yet.
Thank you.
Wow.
Stephen Bassett.
Not at the moment.
But first and foremost, I think it's important that I speak for all of us when I say that we have nothing against the perfectly fine Canadian province of Newfoundland.
And I look forward to going there someday and talking about exo-politics.
So for you Newfoundlanders out there, it's okay, no problem.
I'm Stephen Bassett.
I founded the Paradigm Research Group in 1996, for one reason only, to pursue the political resolution of the UFO issue.
That's it.
And that's all that I've done the last 13 years.
The science and the ufology and the study of the sightings and all of that had gone about as far as it could, in my view, by then.
And that it was clear that the government had a policy of withholding the truth and acknowledgement.
So that had to be addressed.
In the early days, back then, 96, 97, we were looking for new terms, new lexicon.
And we talked about the politics of UFOs.
Which is kind of a bridge term.
And then we talked about the concept of disclosure.
That word turned up.
But in 2000, the word exopolitics turned up.
And that was due to the gentleman sitting to my left, Alfred Weber.
And very quickly he was joined by others, in particular Dr.
Michael Sala.
But the moment I heard ExoPolitics, that term, the moment I heard it, instantly I knew that that was the umbrella under which we were going to proceed.
That was the boat that we would sail in.
And so within a few days, I think within a week, I contacted Art Bell.
And there was something else going on at the time involving Danny Sheehan, an activist attorney.
And I said, we need to get Alfred and Danny Sheehan on the show at the same time.
Because I was doing that for them back then, helping them put together some shows.
And so Danny Sheehan and Alfred overcame on.
Danny was talking about some events that occurred in the Carter administration.
And Alfred was talking about that as well.
They both had a connection to the Carter administration, and that was the reason.
But, of course, Alfred was talking about ex-apologians.
And so from that day forward, 2000, we had that new term.
In only nine years, it has now become on the edge of being a very significant change in thinking and terminology, a new field of study.
When you Google it, you can get, I think, now something like 180,000 returns off of ExoPolitics, and there's no extra pages.
It's all about the UFOET issue.
It has no other use than the English language.
600,000, I think, on Yahoo.
It's on the verge of being in the dictionary.
So that's in nine years.
A new field is developed, and you need that.
You need language in order to move forward.
You need new language to go into new places.
So this conference is part of that.
I'm glad to be a part of it, and look forward to presenting on Sunday.
Very good.
Bill, may I interject something?
Make your needs known, and there will be somebody who's listening.
I need a milkshake, but I don't...
To your health...
To all of you.
Okay.
Very good.
Who are you?
Oh, well, no, no, no.
Actually, I would like to continue around the circle here.
You don't want to say anything about Camelot?
Well, I think in the end we can.
Okay.
Okay.
All right.
I think the next person that we should introduce is Dr.
Michael Sala.
In 2001 I was a professor at a university in Washington DC, American University, and I was teaching international politics.
I had graduate level classes and I saw the video of the disclosure conference This Disclosure Project press conference.
And that really startled me.
I just had no idea that this kind of information was out there.
And prior to that, I always thought that extraterrestrial life was real, but, you know, someday in the future, they'll contact us and, wow, the world will change.
So when I saw that press conference, my world kind of really crumbled in terms of, like, how I understood international politics and what was happening in the world.
And so one of the first things I did was I showed the press conference video to a class.
And the class was on theories of conflict, violence and war.
And I showed it to the class, 25 graduate students, very progressive liberal arts students at American University.
And I showed them the press conference and then I said, you know, what do you think?
And I asked the students, well, line up in terms of a...
Line up.
There's going to be a line.
And on the extreme right, if you agree strongly that this video is real, that you agree with that very strongly, then get on the right.
If you disagree strongly, then get on the left.
If you're kind of neutral, get in the middle.
And so I ask them to separate themselves where they fit in on that line.
And of the 25 students, two...
Agreed.
One strongly and one mildly agreed that the video was real, that the testimonies were valid.
The other 23 were either strongly opposed or kind of neutral about it.
And that shocked me because basically what I was seeing was that university students weren't ready to accept this information as real.
They just came up with many of the standard responses about, well, they're making it up.
How do we know it's real?
CNN would tell us if it were real, and so that was kind of an important eye-opener for me.
I found that the university administration was similarly not very impressed with this topic, and so that led to my forced removal from the university, and I've been studying exile politics ever since, which for me really involves looking at three different processes, or three different things.
Actors or the individuals involved with the question of extraterrestrial life.
So we look at, say, the role of the presidents, Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy and so forth, how they've dealt with this issue of extraterrestrial life.
The second is we look at the institutions.
What are the main institutions that are being involved with this issue?
And so straight away we come up with, say, the different intelligence departments, especially the CIA, Counterintelligence, the National Reconnaissance Office, the NSA. So those are some of the institutions.
And then I look at, you know, what are the processes involved here?
And, you know, some of the processes are like maintaining secrecy, maintaining a psychological warfare program to discredit, debunk, this whole question in the general public arena, and also funding these projects which are occurring...
Behind the scenes.
So those are the questions and the issues that I'm very interested in, and I've been doing this now for eight years, and I'm still learning and still finding things to be amazed at.
So this is truly an amazing field, and the more years you put into it, the more things that you have more questions over.
And I haven't yet reached that point where I feel that I've understood the big picture.
That's right.
The more you find out, the less you know.
That's right.
Thank you.
Alfred.
Thank you very much.
As I was saying, I'm a futurist, an activist, and a lawyer.
Are you Dr.
Alfred Webber?
You know, I always think that the lawyers tried to get a phony PhD because I got an LLB and the legal association then changed our law degrees to JD. So, technically, are we lawyers, doctors, doctors?
What do you think?
You're a jurist doctor, which sounds even better.
Yeah, I'm a jurist doctor, but I think that it's kind of backdoor.
That's kind of how I am.
I always question things.
And, well, Well, and I think that Steve has really given sort of a contextual background to what has happened over the first 10 years of exo-politics.
What I've come here to sit his, to this summit to really talk about, is the next 10 or 11 years.
And that is in terms of what the larger astronomical and cosmic cycles that will be occurring in an amazing synchrony that will serve,
as motors or propellants of the process of disclosure and more deeply the process of a transformation of our reality and the reality of all living things, I think.
Which includes animals, plants, and minerals.
According to some of you.
I just want to bring all of that kind of cosmic consciousness here.
Because I think that that is really what disclosure is about.
And what will fuel disclosure will be an interactive elevation of the consciousness.
And I see a gentleman back there who will remain nameless who is saying yes.
And so just very briefly we're talking about the solar cycle 24 from 2009 to 2020 with solar maximum at 2012 to 2013 and by the index of human excitability that goes back to 500 BC we know that all revolutions,
wars, Riots and the fundamental fixing of things in society happens during the solar maximum, which NASA tells us now is in May of 2013.
So in that general term, we're in for some really dynamite stuff.
If we want to be change agents in a positive way, now's the time to put out our agenda, as Dr.
Bob Dean says.
Another cycle is the cycle of the matrix of time acceleration, which Dr.
Carl-John Kalman and Barbara Ann Clough, a colleague of mine who lives in Vancouver, Canada also, talk about.
And that is where time is accelerating, the rate of change is accelerating, the rate of our consciousness is accelerating, and there will be probably, according to this theory, 20 times as much change in the year 2011 as it was between 1999 when the internet started and the beginning of 2011.
So that's the backdrop for how disclosure can be replaced.
And finally, there are the larger galactic and cosmic cycles.
Sort of the source of our thoughts, of our reality, of our DNA, as well as the stars, is the black hole at the center of our galaxy.
Most galaxies have black holes.
And how it will be programming the other 97% of our, quote, junk DNA Thank you, Alfred.
I just want to say here that this idea of an index of human excitability, I just think that's such a wonderful name.
I just love it.
I take it very seriously, but for me, it's like, how appropriate is that?
And how excitable are we all now?
And where is it going to go?
Okay, well, calm right down.
Oh, I'm getting too excited.
I'm getting too excited now.
And let's introduce Nick.
Okay, I'm just plain Nick Pope, no doctor.
My background is government, British government.
I worked for the Ministry of Defence for 21 years.
I did about seven or eight different jobs in that period, and the one which has led to me sitting at this table is a job that I did from 1991 through to 1994, when I was responsible for researching and investigating the UFO phenomenon for the British government.
The brief was...
To look at the 200 or 300 UFO sightings we've had each year to see whether they were of any defence significance, which rather cleverly in government terms is something we didn't actually ever define.
So perhaps that's a point for later.
Anyway, my views on this were that most of these things, of course, turned out to be misidentifications.
There were plenty of cases where these things were seen by pilots and police officers, where they were tracked on radar, performing speeds and manoeuvres which seemed to go significantly ahead of anything in our own inventory, including prototype aircraft and drones.
So my position on the UFO phenomenon Is that I think whatever it is, and I'm not one of these people that has a neat answer, I'm sure, you know, perhaps there aren't any neat answers in this business.
I think there are probably lots of different things going on, lots of overlap.
But my position is whatever the nature of this phenomenon or phenomenon is, I believe it raises some interesting and important defence, national security and air safety issues.
Other issues too, which others better qualify than me here, are going to discuss on the societal implications, the sociological implications.
That's probably less my field.
What I'm here to really talk about at this conference is something which has been going for about a year and a half now.
The British government's ongoing programme to declassify and release to the National Archives the entire archive of British UFO files going back to the 50s and coming to the present day.
So it's interesting times in the UK and it's been a story all around the world I left the Ministry of Defence in 2006.
I now work as a freelance journalist, a media commentator, not just on the unexplained, but on conspiracy theories, some political and some defence issues.
That's me.
Very good to like it.
May I ask a question, please?
Sure.
The material that has been released so far, and I assume you've checked it, looked at it, read it, is there anything in there of any real substance?
Yes, there is.
I think what there isn't, let me answer that in reverse.
There isn't, and I don't mean this in a disparaging way, but it's a neat soundbite that I have used before.
There isn't a spaceship in a hangar smoking gun.
That said, there are plenty of those sorts of cases that I was mentioning where things have been tracked on radar performing some quite remarkable speeds.
Plenty of police cases, plenty of military cases.
The one that really stood out and I discussed it on Fox News, amongst others, was the case of Milton Torres, the fighter pilot who in 1957, whilst a United States Air Force pilot posted over to the UK, was ordered to shoot down a UFO over the mainland UK. So that's a case that I'm going to be discussing in some detail at this conference.
And I want to add that I interviewed as a journalist Milton Torres, and this goes to show that...
Yes, he was ordered to shoot down a UFO in 1957, so there are shoot-down orders.
But what I saw on a human level, and this is part of ExoPolitics also, is that he was very emotional about telling the story.
He told it at the ex-conference with Nick at Stephen Bassett's ex-conference in April.
But as a journalist, when I interviewed him, he was very emotional because his father had died two years ago, and he had kept this secret for so long, and he began to cry and was very emotional about it.
And these people that keep these secrets so long until the Ministry of Defense released these files, it's a huge burden, and there are so many of them.
And I think more countries should release their files.
And it's happening.
Absolutely.
It's happening.
Well, disclosure, that's what it's all about.
Did the Ministry of Defense ever, ever take a position on Peter Horsley's memoir where he said that he spent an afternoon having tea with an extraterrestrial?
And Peter Horsley was a retired air marshal Indeed.
The Ministry of Defence, so far as I can tell, made some efforts to, shall we say, brief against him.
In other words, a quote ended up in the media which was, and I'm doing this from memory, but it was something like, how unfortunate...
That a man, when he was posted to strike command at that level and had his finger on the nuclear button, has been seeing aliens.
So behind the scenes, they were disparaging him.
Isn't that sad?
It is sad and it's disrespectful.
It is disrespectful.
I mean, the other important thing is, of course, that person, as is now, Well, always the case in this sort of situation.
Didn't give their name.
They were just listed as a defense source.
A senior defense source told us.
Peter Horsley was one of your top people.
He was an air marshal.
And I would have thought that they would have paid attention and given some respect to his opinion.
No, they just deployed the usual line, which is, let's...
Put in a slightly disparaging comment.
Let's see if we can get the phrase, little green men, somewhere in there.
And let's hope everyone just moves on.
Thank you.
I'm glad they got that on film.
Thank you, Bob.
Rob, you've been waiting very patiently.
Say your whole name and your background.
All right, so my name's Ron Fleischer.
I'm the founder and coordinator of ExoPolitics Germany, and it's a Great privilege to be sitting here at this table with these brilliant minds.
I've studied a lot, I've read a lot of the things that you've did.
And I have to say, I'm just so curious how this is all going to unfold.
I'm going to make it short, as I don't even have to.
The smallest part of the background that you all have, I came in touch with this field when I was 16 years old, when I first met the author Eric von Daniken, who wrote Chariots of the Gods in 1968, something And became friends, and whenever it was in my region, we met, and we had discussions and conversations.
We spent hours sitting in the lobby talking about God and the world and the extraterrestrials, and it was so exciting for me at the age of 16.
So, you know, and it kind of...
You know, made me curious about what else was there?
And wouldn't it be important for us all to know about it?
And why isn't that on the media?
So I started a journalist career at a very early age.
I started working for a local newspaper and then I was a presenter of a local television show.
So I kept working in this field and did my university degree at the same time.
And then...
Like five years ago, I stopped working for television.
Because I finally understood that the reason why these important things which we are discussing here, which is the alien presence and free energy and consciousness, why that is not on the mass media is not because people never think about doing that on the media.
No, it's just because they don't have the chance to do that.
Because television is simply not the right medium to do that.
People don't want that on television, because television has a certain control in our society, a certain control function.
So I stopped working for television when I came across some kind of free energy device, made a TV report about it, and they wouldn't let me report it.
They never actually broadcast that.
And then a couple of years later I also came across this Closure Project press conference on the internet.
And that kind of triggered my curiosity again in this field because I thought, how the, you know, is it possible that in the mass media you always hear about weather balloons or whatever and then there's these highly credible military witnesses And an insider, some of which are sitting here at this table, you know.
How is it possible that I've never heard about that?
So I thought about what could I do?
So I founded ExoPolitics Germany, which is, as Stephen said, an umbrella for all kinds of activities in this field which are necessary to bring this issue forward.
And it's such a huge field.
It's physical evidence, cover-up, disclosure.
But what I'm interested in, and that's my personal interest in this, is the fact that these craft appear and disappear shows that our reality is obviously much greater than what we have thought it is.
It's not just three dimensions plus linear time.
No, it's much more than that.
And I want to find out, what is it?
And if these extraterrestrial visitors master these dimensions, these superior dimensions or supplementary dimensions or however you want to call them, what does that mean for their state of consciousness?
How are they thinking?
What kind of consciousness level must they have to be able to master these dimensions?
And what would it mean for us to understand how they think?
Or to put it in another way, what would be the next level of evolution in human consciousness?
Because we might assume that we would also come across these other dimensions sooner or later.
So that is what I'm actually interested most.
What really interests me the most is the consciousness thing.
And I'm strongly convinced that everything is actually, in the end, is a question of consciousness.
I was just going to say that yes, the more recent experiments that are being done among humans is the incredible power of positive intention.
That people coming together in groups with an intention can actually create that reality.
And it's interesting that you have these two parallel tracks going on.
One is science, very good science, being done here on the Earth by university scientists.
And at the same time, you have the ET UFO disclosure issue.
And the two are very intertwined because the AT-UFO phenomenon just points so clearly towards this and we need to know this and we need all the help we can get from our off-planet, on-planet people that are going against the grain of black ops and going against the grain of these horrible agendas that That we can actually heal the planet.
We can have a sustainable future.
And so, from my own point of view, I'm just very grateful to be here among you and to be able to interact in this way.
That's wonderful, Brian.
Thank you.
Thank you so much.
Let me have a go here, then I'll let you have the last word.
Absolutely.
For me, having this kind of conference sometimes feels like a group of fishermen on a little island in the Pacific Ocean who are sitting around a campfire trying to figure out whether there's anyone else in the world and what are these funny shiny things that they see up in having this kind of conference sometimes feels like a group of And do you believe that I saw this thing up in the sky?
It's like, what is that thing?
Is that real?
Or what?
And our level of sophistication in asking these questions may not come close to the level of sophistication that's needed in order to get the answers.
And this is a bridge over, I think, into the world of exapolitics because while those islanders around this campfire in the South Pacific might be arguing with each other about whether they're all alone in the world and what are these metal things that some people say that they see in the sky, and what we're really interested in into the world of exapolitics because while those islanders around this campfire in the South Pacific might be arguing with each other about whether they're all alone in the world and what are these metal Okay.
What are their agendas?
What are they doing with the world?
What are they doing with our world?
What is it that they might be doing that we might need to know about in our little island?
What might be their agendas for us?
What's it all about?
And who are we?
And how do we get here in the first place?
And if we look at the political implications of that, the questions are so enormous and so far beyond what The questions that one might get in, I don't know, in a media article about, you know, is it possible that aliens could really exist?
It's like, come on, you know, this is a given.
But who are they?
Where are they from?
When are they from?
What are they doing?
What's our place in the universe?
What do we need to know in order to understand this thing?
What are we...
What do our...
Our own governors and politicians and military and intelligence specialists know that we are not being told.
And why are we not being told?
And I believe that the exapolitics movement is trying to speak to those issues.
And this is one of the directions in which I think that this...
The whole conversation would like to go.
And before I introduce my colleague Kerry Cassidy, I want to say that several people here have talked about Stephen Greer's Disclosure Project press conference, and I remember exactly where I was when that happened, because I was driving down a Scottish road at about 2 o'clock in the morning, and this was coming over on live BBC radio, and I was so astonished That I stopped my car to listen to it, because I didn't know whether this was a joke.
And then I realized this was real.
This was being streamed live.
And I thought, this is amazing.
This is now going to turn the world on its head.
This is extraordinary, what Stephen Greer is doing.
I wish he was here right now, because I want to acknowledge him for that.
That was an incredible thing.
And then many of us waited for what was next.
What was going to happen after this?
Where is the Disclosure Project going to go next after this incredible public relations feat which they created?
And one of the things that happened while we were waiting is that Kerry Cassidy picked up a consumer-grade camcorder that is about as big as his wine glass from what I could remember and started going to UFO conferences to talk to them because somebody had to do that job.
And it doesn't matter whether you've got money, it doesn't matter whether you've got high technology, what you need is the intention to start talking to people because this is a process that is ultimately all about communication and that's all.
And you're a master communicator, so I now want to introduce you with that.
Tell us about Project Amalek.
Well, okay.
Thank you, Bill.
That was a lovely introduction.
Obviously, we're Project Camelot.
We've been asked to come and host this panel discussion.
We're actually going to sit back and just moderate.
In many ways, we're not going to be speaking.
But just to introduce us as the moderators, we formed Project Camelot because we met at Laughlin and Actually, Bill was one of the people I interviewed.
He was one of my first interviewees, if you will.
And when I interviewed him on the subject of Serpo, I was very impressed by his balance, by his command of the language, by his sort of goodwill towards what I knew were probing questions that I have sort of a...
Sort of a talent with handling.
And he really rolled with it very nicely.
He handled it well.
And yet he was very, very straightforward.
And he wasn't taking sides other than to say that the Serpo story was something that he felt was important enough.
It needed to be discussed.
It needed to be understood.
And it needed to be talked about.
It needed to be explored and investigated.
And he was there to encourage that process.
And I think that in many ways what happened when we formed Project Camelot is that we really wanted to extend what was the initial impulse of what I guess you could call the disclosure project initially, which was to go out, to put a camera in front of somebody's face, to ask them questions, to let the audience decide.
And that's really been our mission from that day forward.
We decided this in Tintagel.
We really connected there.
We connected with the past of King Arthur and the Round Table and the idea of not a hierarchy but a sort of a utopia in which all people were equal and all opinions would be listened to.
And that's really what we wanted to do with Project Camelot.
We wanted to allow the camera and the power of the internet to connect these people It's been an incredible journey.
We've gone all over the world.
We've interviewed some of the most charming, brilliant minds, I have to say, that are here on planet Earth at this time.
We've been fortunate in that way.
Some of those people are sitting around the table today with us.
Some are in the audience.
And so it's been very exciting.
It's been a lot of work, hard work.
We've gotten tons of support from the audiences around the world.
We want to thank all of them at the moment for that.
This is a bridge into our most recent whistleblower interview.
It has not been published.
We're still waiting for the OK to do that.
And this is with Dr. Pete Peterson.
We interviewed him.
It is nearly four weeks ago now.
And he was a man who had some extraordinary things to say.
And this is now our intro into one of the main topics of this conference.
Yeah, absolutely.
And what we're covering here is really disclosure.
And I want to say that in many ways, what it's really all about is truth.
That's what we're interested in seeking with Project Camelot, but it's also what this conference is about.
We're really trying to get to the bottom of what is truth, what does it mean to be human, what does it mean to be a member of a galactic community that involves peoples and extraterrestrials, interdimensionals, all kinds of beings, all kinds of places, all kinds of levels, all kinds of dimensions.
And to take that holistic view and the fact that we are multidimensional beings simultaneously here and many other places.
We are time travelers, all of us.
We are ETs, all of us.
And those are extensions of the concept.
So to get back to the discussion...
What did Pete Peterson say?
One of the things that our recent whistleblower was talking about was the fact that there...
Okay, well, you're supposed to talk about the story.
I'm supposed to talk about the story.
Okay.
What Pete Peterson told us on camera is that he had heard from somebody who had already booked the time with the networks.
Okay.
That there is to be a planned disclosure towards the end of this year by President Obama who will release, who will confirm the reality of contact with four or five or six, we don't quite know the number, friendly ET races.
And that was what he was prepared to say on the record.
Now, this is the kind of thing that Stephen Bassett has been waiting for for the last 13 years or longer.
Seems like 30 years actually, Bill.
And what you've been saying on record, that Obama is going to be the disclosure president.
Now, maybe none of us should hold our breaths, because it's quite a long way to hold our breath until the end of the year.
And Peterson was also anxious to say that just because it's planned, it doesn't mean it's going to happen.
We believe him when he tells us that at the moment this is being slated.
And there are all kinds of reasons why this might be true, because as Stephen has pointed out in his many, many on-record comments about all of this, America is under quite some pressure to disclose, because how embarrassing would it be for them if some other little tin-pot country like Great Britain Before
we get into name calling, I think we should start off on the question of disclosure, knowing what our recent whistleblower is talking about.
Could you talk about how this affects your view, and we want to hear from everybody, on whether you think this is possibly going to happen, whether you think it's not going to happen, and why?
And also, what are the implications if it does?
And what are the implications for exo-politics if it does?
And how does exo-politics respond?
It's been my observation that when you get 25 people into a room, you have 25 separate visions of what disclosure really means.
And my point is this.
I think disclosure is underway and has been underway for quite a while.
I do not believe that you're going to have Obama getting on national television and saying, gee whiz, guys, we've got some news for you.
We're not alone.
We've been visited by guys from other star systems and other planets.
Whoopee!
And everybody gets excited.
They all run to the door to get it on the evening news.
That's not the way it's going to happen.
Now, that's my view.
I'll be first to admit that it could happen that way, although I doubt it.
But, you know, you cannot come out on the TV and say, oh, looky, we've known this for years.
We've kept it from you because we didn't think you could deal with it.
But now we're going to level with you and tell you the truth.
Isn't that nice?
Okay.
It's like that opening the Pandora's box.
This is where we start to get some really interesting reactions from people.
Already people are leaning forward in their seats because they want to contribute.
Well, listen, you're not going to get a disclosure like that.
Recognize that it is underway, it's taking place, it's been underway for some time, and it's the form of subliminal education.
When I made a presentation sometime back at Law Food about it, I spoke about the Three Stevens and the Apocalypse.
I was the apocalypse.
This was one of the three Stephens that I spoke about.
Stephen Greer, Stephen Bassett, and Stephen Spielberg.
And I also gave the definition of the Greek word apocalypse, which is not at all what most fundamentalists think it is.
The four horsemen riding, what is it?
War, famine, plague, pestilence, and all that.
The Greek word simply means...
The disclosure, the unveiling, and the revealing.
Really.
And that's been underway now for over 20 years.
And Steven Spielberg has played a major role in that.
Absolutely.
With his movies and the TV special he did, which was Dynamite, really.
Was it Taken?
Taken.
That was so filled with real truth.
Yes.
I would like for them to run it again, and maybe they will.
But you're in the midst of disclosure, my friends, and it's happening right around you every day.
I don't think anyone would disagree with that.
Michael wants to jump in.
I think we'd all agree.
We are part of disclosure.
Michael wants to jump in.
But Stephen was supposed to have a chance.
No, no, no.
Michael can jump in any time he wants.
I always defer to Michael.
That way I keep getting asked back to Hawaii for his conference.
Okay, I'm deferring to Michael.
Oh, I have an idea as to what might be released at the end of this year.
One of the things to keep in mind is what does the government know about this?
And one of the things that I think is very important is that in 1969 there was a memorandum released by Brigadier General called the Bolander Memo.
And that basically said that UFO reports are separated in terms of their national security implications.
Those that weren't very significant went into the Blue Book system, and we know that Blue Book ended in 1969.
Those that had...
The significance in terms of national security went into the service system, which is the communications instructions for reporting vital intelligence sightings.
And that went into a separate body for study and analysis because it had national security implications.
So you have two...
Bodies of information concerning UFOs.
Those that are kind of like just the sightings that are recorded by radar that became part of the Blue Book system and were eventually released in 1969 or up to 1969.
Those that concern more significant events such as crashes of UFO discs that went into the service system.
And so, eventually, where did all of these reports end up?
I believe that the service reports went into the archives held by various corporations that have been studying these files for reverse engineering applications for then...
Contracting out to the military services that might want to use some of this technology.
And the other staff that didn't have national security implications just became available through the NGOs.
So, you know, what is going to be released at the end of this year?
And I think the key is that what you mentioned by Dr.
Pete Peterson was, he said, up to six races.
Well, if you have kind of memory as to, you know, who's talked about up to six races?
Well, in 1977, there was a congressional research study done that was exploring the question of UFOs.
What's out there?
And this was asked...
It was President Carter who asked for this to be conducted because he asked the CIA... To be breathed on UFOs and he was told no.
Bush said no to him.
So he couldn't get his hands into what was actually in the archives.
He couldn't find out.
But he asked a congressional research study to go out and do a study on this.
And this was done by Marsha Smith, who was a senior congressional investigator, a science investigator.
And she went out and she came up with a report that between two to six extraterrestrial civilizations have been visiting the Earth.
And that report was not compartmentalized.
That was something that Danny Sheehan says.
He has a copy of that.
He's never released it, but he has a copy of that.
So I think if Peterson is correct that towards the end of this year we're going to have a disclosure, I think what that could be would be something like Obama ordering the Congressional Research Service to make this document publicly available so you'll have a Congressional Research study becoming available saying that up to six extraterrestrial races are visiting us.
Is it possible that the ETs could force our hands by making appearances that would require that there to be a governmental response?
It's possible, but it would not be a good thing.
It wouldn't be a good thing?
No.
Why is that?
There's basically two kinds...
By the way, there's a number of things I'd like to comment on at some point.
There's two basic kinds of disclosure.
One is self-disclosure.
That's when the nations of the world go to their people, the ones that they have the social contract with to govern, and say, look, this is what we know.
We've got these beings here.
We know this about them.
Don't be alarmed, be alarmed, whatever.
And we're going to try to inform you about this.
And then over a period of time, weeks, months, years, the public will, I'm sure, be quite interested in learning everything they can.
That honors the social contract.
That's the way governments are supposed to operate.
That will instill a certain, at least, the social contract is honored.
That's one kind.
The other kind is force majeure disclosure.
That's where the governments keep going.
I don't know anything.
Nothing here.
Nothing going on.
Nothing to see.
No problem.
And all of a sudden, big ships start appearing over the cities of the world.
Well, yeah, now the government has to come forward and say, well, guess what?
Yeah, they're here and we didn't tell you.
Everybody, of course, is scared to death.
So in that version, the social contract of all the first world nations, third world nations have other things to worry about, is broken.
You didn't tell us.
You lied.
Here they are.
What are we going to do?
And so that is a much more traumatic, much more disruptive process that will lead to a lot more problems.
And it's non-trivial.
The difference is quite profound.
Now, the ETs can do it any time they want, but I can't worry about that.
I mean, they're going to do what they're going to do.
They don't tell me what they're up to.
All I can do is try to help us get this self-disclosure process out of the way.
I'd like to ask a question, if I may.
And I want to ask it of Alfred.
Do you believe that this extraterrestrial presence should be a national security issue?
Well I believe yes and no.
The yes part is as researchers we have come across the fact that de facto it is the extraterrestrial presence is has been handled since at least the 50s on a national For
example, I worked with a researcher, Andrew Bishago, who, in the company of his father, who was a CIA official in 1981 at an Air Force Base that Wright Air Force Base in New Jersey had a meeting with three Martian astronauts from the
intelligent civilization that lives under the surface of Mars.
Now, they were there on a visit, on a coordinating visit, with the Central Intelligence Agency.
Which means that, if this version is true, since at least 1971, just that data point alone The US Central Intelligence Agency and perhaps other intelligence agencies have some sort of a strategic alliance within our solar system.
Now, that may be a legitimate matter of national security, but now we have a whistleblower coming forth who is alleging this and who has a lot of data to back it up.
So, That may be a disclosure, the issue of the U.S. presence on Mars.
I mean, Mr.
Bishago in 1981 went to Mars via teleportation from a CIA teleportation launch room in El Segundo, California in the company of then CIA agent Courtney Hunt.
These are all actual names.
And Virginia Olds, a lifetime CIA employee, called him in January of 2009 to confirm that the CIA knows that there is an intelligent civilization under the surface of Mars.
She said a million.
I have no idea whether that is.
If effective or not.
So the ship is leaking.
And whatever the matter of national security was in 1971 that caused these astronauts to come and have their liaison meeting, Those matters should become public,
and if there is an Obama announcement—I mean, I'm just saying this from a particular view that our organization is pressing Obama to disclose the U.S. presence on Mars— And to disclose the strategic alliance that it has with the intelligence civilization of Mars.
Do you believe the American public, just as an example, the public in the world at large, can deal with this information?
Yes.
And, you know, we have objective data for that.
If we go to the 2002 Roper Report, which is available on the internet there was a specific question that asked in that way and the answer came back at 85% of the American public and by extension I would imagine most adult publics are congruent in terms of their religion their personal values the question was if the government
Announce that there was an extraterrestrial presence.
How would this impact you?
And the answer was 85%.
It's congruent with my religion, with my personal values, and it would not I don't ruffle any of those very much.
So we say that time is now, the place is Mars.
Now, will the U.S. do it?
They may not, because in certain ways, according to certain military plans or intelligence plans possible, The US base on Mars or bases on Mars may be considered one of the most strategic and important as a gateway to occupying the solar system via teleportation.
I'd just like to say, Alfred, for the benefit of the cameras here, and for anyone here who doesn't know this story, that Henry Deacon, who is here at this conference, and who was here in this room, and I can't see him right now...
Is he there?
No, he's stepped up.
He's stepped up.
He's just coming in.
Here he is.
But we can talk about his testimony.
It's already on the Camelot site.
And he supports this fully, as best as I'm aware.
The Mars base has got a population, a peak population of 670,000.
They travel there.
Give or take.
Give or take.
A few, you know, depends on what you call human or what you don't.
They look like us, pretty much.
People can commute from this planet.
They're known as the Anunnaki.
That's the name they go by.
Some of them are.
Some of them are the Anunnaki of old, the same ones that Sitchin talked about, who are now in a couple of factions.
But there's a wide range of races, basically, who all look like humans, just as we do.
And the travel is through, essentially, it's teleportation.
And this is one of the biggest secrets.
And there's got this huge base there, which is a multifunctional base.
Okay, but we are allowing the panel to talk here.
Exactly, but this is important information to put on camera.
Yes, it is.
And we're just wanting to support you, and we also want to support Andrew Bajago, who we also know by saying that the guy's not crazy.
We've got somebody here in this room who can support this story.
He doesn't want to go on camera, but he can speak to the microphone if he wants to.
What about some of the other panelists here?
What is your point of view of disclosure?
First of all, what you're saying is probable, Alfred, because I will say this now, but I will also disagree as far as going...
To the public with grade 12 when we haven't done grade 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 of disclosure yet.
Because for me as a teacher, and this is teaching the public because they may be able to assimilate this information, but it's hard to digest.
It changed my whole entire life.
When I met Hynek, it took a long time for me to understand that contact was real.
I didn't want to believe that.
I was nuts and bolts ufologist.
I wanted to look at the craft, the sightings.
I did not want to go to the contact part.
That was very hard for me because it changed reality.
So I disagree.
With saying that the general public could swallow this very easily.
But I will support Alford in this way.
I did do an interview with Pier Giorgio Iguina, who was Marconi's partner.
And while I was doing that, Marconi, he mentioned that Marconi, with the Vatican, had had Martian contact in 1939.
And I knew this material.
I did not put it out there because the implications of the Vatican with Marconi and extraterrestrials is very heavy.
But I will talk about it today.
I'm not sure that the general public can go there if they haven't understood the nature of Roswell, the nature of the cover-up, the nature of visitation due to maybe our use of nuclear and the fact that all aliens are not greys.
These are things that we need to get strained away because I can tell you from having lived in Europe Where aliens look like us, and Pleiadians, Billy Meyer, I met Billy Meyer, that there are people in the universe who look like us.
And then I go to move to America, and on every single magnet t-shirt, magazine, and everything, I see only the stamp of the great being.
And that is where they want us to remain in America.
Because if you believe that these extraterrestrials could be, and the Martians are some of them that look like us, You know, if you believe that, then it becomes very dangerous.
As Colonel Corso said, we weren't afraid of the extraterrestrial biological entities, he said at the Pentagon, because they were extraterrestrial biological entities.
We were deathly afraid of their creators who could be walking in the halls of the Pentagon.
So this is very complex.
I'm not sure the general purpose of the whole world and everybody needs to have the whole entire thing in one big swallow because it's very difficult to digest.
Thank you, Paola.
I want to bring in Brian here, because I have a sneaking idea that I know what he's going to say by asking this question, which is, have we got time to be precious about this disclosure issue?
Do we have time on planet Earth?
Do you believe?
Yes.
Well, we're obviously at a huge crossroads here.
And I'm aware of the psychological implications of a grieving process that's going on right now.
That we're grieving an old paradigm and transforming to a new.
And Elizabeth Kugler-Ross in some of her work talks about the phases of grief.
And that we've been in this state of mass denial.
Denial always being the first stage.
The second stage is usually anger.
I had this bumper sticker for a while that said, the truth will set us free, but first it will piss you off.
And I think that we're poised on that.
People are getting very angry.
And outraged by these cover-ups.
And so there has to be a process that maybe we can help engineer, and I know Steve you've been involved in this, of creating some sort of negotiating where the transition isn't too painful for any particular group.
And that we can get out of the swamp you refer to, Bill.
The swamp of deceit and lies and spin.
That we're, I think, in a situation now where maybe we can discuss with our, quote, adversaries.
Obviously, the darkest agendas we hear about, like eugenics and so forth, are horrible.
And we don't have to do that.
I'd like to be able to discuss that openly with the rest of the world, or even with those individuals who are in charge, to be able to say, well, maybe we can do something else.
Maybe we can have a world with free energy.
Maybe we can support the current population.
Maybe we can make the contact experience a positive thing for all of us.
And that is the direction I'd like to see us go in, rather than coming out of fear, come out of A sense of diplomacy and understanding all around.
That's a great bridge into the potential role of exo-politics, and I wonder who wants to pick up that?
Can I say something, Rob?
Now, you're all great researchers sitting on this table, and it's so interesting listening to all of the insider stories and all of the testimonies But what you just said actually means that we need to find a way to,
and Paola said that too, we need to find a way to prepare the understanding of the whole thing We need to make people aware that we are not looking at something, like at a bottle, like I'm outside the bottle, I'm looking at the bottle, and, you know, after five minutes I will have looked at it from any perspective possible, and I will have understood it entirely.
No, it's the opposite.
We are on this tiny little planet, we're looking outwards.
That means that anything is possible in the universe.
So, I think that's the paradigm The thing that we have to prepare.
How do we do that?
And I think the strategy is probably not in telling everything we know and giving out the information like that.
I think it's much more basic than that.
It's like, well, yeah, lots of bold evidence, first of all.
And then I think it's also about showing the relationship between the UFO cover-up and certain other things that are going on in the world.
I think that's also important.
And when we talk about the understanding of the greater reality, that these visitors live in.
It's also important to note that we wait for paradigm shift, but there are also people in quantum physics who've been waiting for paradigm shifts for almost 100 years now.
So maybe the third thing is cooperation with certain other groups.
Anyway, I think the nuts and bolts thing is the most important.
And I just want to return for a moment to the question, how much time do we have?
I happen to feel that the ecological condition of the earth, just given my research, is so grave that we're going to have to create the foundation of cooperation.
In the very near future, to be able to come up with new paradigms of disclosure that will allow us to develop the new paradigm, to develop the energy sources we need to tide us over, to be able to directly confront alternative agendas and be open about it, at least with those who are in control now.
And in terms of the release of the information, that it would be based more on just a reasonable but chaotic transition period.
I sort of want to say that in answer, in a sense, to what Bob Dean is talking about, disclosure is happening.
It has been happening.
We're part of it.
Camelot, Paola, one of the early pioneers in this area, Alfred Weber.
Exo-politics, you know, Michael Sala, etc.
It's already been done.
You know, if you will, the work has been done.
This is the funny thing about all this.
Obama's announcement is actually coming at the end.
I'm just positing here for your consideration, from my point of view.
The end of the process, rather than the beginning.
It's already out there.
Spielberg did it for you.
It's we did it.
It's been done.
The fact is, is what we're really talking about is something coming at the tail end for the people who have not gotten clued in up to now.
Now, I am well aware it's the majority of the populations out there, quite possibly.
But I actually have sort of an optimistic view of the level of intelligence out there and the fact that we are all ETs anyway, right?
So you have to keep in mind that we came here.
These bodies are temporary.
It's a much bigger reality.
And even the most silly, dumb person out there has consciousness of having been able to go other places in their dreams if nowhere else.
And so the consciousness is actually out there.
It's ready.
It's primed.
And it's been primed in part by the controllers, if you will, as well as us, okay, who have picked up the ball and run with it.
And we hopefully have run with it farther and faster than they want us to.
It's making it sound as if the ground is now perfect.
Is this perfect timing, then?
Well, listen to what Alfred Weber is talking about, and the cycle 24, and actually what we're moving into, which is the period between now and 2017.
The matrix of time acceleration.
How about that?
We're talking about a consciousness change that's making all of this possible and accelerating it all very quickly, so that change is not going to happen in the same way it's happened in the past.
It can't.
Brian O'Leary, you're right.
So where do we go from here?
How do we get it out there even further?
And if the government is coming at the tail end, because the government is not in control.
Obama is not in control.
We all know that.
He's the front guy.
They've got technology, according to our whistleblowers, that is quite likely 10,000 years in advance of anything we are dealing with right here and now in this reality.
We've been held back for a very long time on this planet.
It's time that we actually take this baton in our hands and say, okay, you want to run with this, Obama?
We're going to give you a run for your money.
And actually, that's what this is all about, okay?
We're going to release this video.
It's going out there, and we're going to say, you know what?
We already know.
We don't need Obama sitting on a pedestal to tell us that disclosure is now.
Disclosure is, it has been, and we're clued in.
Now, if the rest of the people out there aren't clued in, we're going to continue to do our jobs.
We're going to wake up the planet.
Obama is just one individual, and he's only representing a very fake part of the government anyway.
So let's say disclosure is us, in a certain sense.
Very briefly, can I remind you of one scene in Close Encounters, and this is very brief.
All the witnesses that had seen the lights came to a press conference, something like this.
And they all said, I saw this light, and everybody in the media believed them.
They were talking about their experience.
Then out of the blue, this man stands up in the back and says, and yes, I saw Bigfoot the other day.
Right that, I saw Bigfoot, and Bigfoot exists, so let's not even go there.
I closed down the whole entire truth Because Spielberg was trying to say that people cannot digest too much too fast.
Speaking of digestion, do you believe, and I'll throw this out to the panel, do any of you believe that the American public en masse can deal with the reality of having been lied to and cheated for the last 65 years if they were to learn that we have a separate space program?
Didn't you learn it?
Yeah, and my whole damn paradigm collapsed around me, and that's why I'm sitting here angry today.
You know, I have guns in my home, and I'm almost to the point of grabbing my American flag, putting on my old uniform, and going into the damn streets and causing a riot because of the fact that I have learned how many lies have been told for the last 65 years.
Now, Take Joe Blow, Joe Sixpack out there in Kansas.
And he finds out that he's been conned for so damn long by a bunch of stinking politicians in Washington.
And he's going to find out that he's got a separate space program, that NASA is a joke, and we are on Mars, and we can step through a portal in S-4 and end up in Pine Gap.
These are realities and facts.
And it took me a hell of a long time to digest this and not lose it.
You know?
Because I'm a typical Joe Blow.
I was trained to be an infantryman.
I've been a grunt.
I've been in two wars.
I was this close to going out there and beating the hell out of some of those government authorities.
Do you think that the average American is going to be able to...
They just found out that the government has been lying to them and stealing their money right, left, and center.
They're still not in the streets.
They are suspicious and they have...
They have feelings that maybe they've been conned.
But the con is so big that when the average guy out there in the street, in Kansas City or Sacramento or wherever, when this really hits him, the impact is going to be devastating.
Well, there's a possibility here.
That they might ameliorate their own problem of disclosure by giving us some other problems as well to take our minds off this.
And this is beyond the scope of this conference, but if they catch the dollar...
Not actually.
I mean, let's look at this.
Why now?
Think about this.
Let's step up to the plate here, Michael.
What do you think?
Why now?
I think that a big factor that's driving this is that there is a major dispute between the controllers.
On the one hand, you've got those that are tied up with the corporations, Majestic, who have transnationalised this whole ET phenomenon, reverse engineering going to corporations and enormous profits being made.
Deals being made, ETs being involved in these deals, and on the other hand you have a kind of more constitutional group which is led by the US Navy that has traditionally been more tied in with the Representing the national interests.
And the Navy, as I understand it, is very upset with the way the whole management system has been transnationalised, has been taken out of the hands of constitutional government in the US, and that the Navy is fighting back.
And I think it's very important to point out the role of the Navy in the Obama administration.
His Director of National Intelligence, Dennis Blairs, is a four-star admiral, or ex-four-star admiral.
His National Security Advisor, Jim Jones, is a four-star Marine, and the Marines are traditionally Navy.
They're kind of a subservice of the Navy.
And now you've had recently the appointment of a NASA Administrator, who is an ex- Marine, a general again in the Marines.
And what you have here is in the background a process by which these, and all of these people that I've named have been briefed fully on the UFO issue.
They know about the black projects.
And I think that they are the ones that are...
Preparing the groundwork for this to be moved forward and I know that the Navy has been also involved in other things such as the 2008 disclosure of secret meetings at the UN concerning UFOs and that there was a senior Navy UFO working group was involved in that and I've recently been able to confirm that two Of the vice-admirals,
three-star admirals that were involved in that, there was a blowback for that, and they were basically forced into retirement.
And I can't name them at this point.
But there's been a struggle.
Navy took the initiative disclosing these UN meetings.
There was blowback.
Two three-star animals were sacked, but that was kind of 16 months ago, and so there's been time for the Navy to reorganise, and you've got these Navy people surrounding Obama, so I think we are going to see this moving forward, and the Navy are going to be playing a big role in that.
Do you ever, all of you, remember the movie called Seven Days in May?
Sure.
And you know what the gist of it was?
That a bunch of admirals and generals are trying to take over the country.
Let me tell you something, and I have this from first-hand sources.
There is a whole hassle of generals and admirals That are so pissed off about this cover-up and the lies that are being told.
That they're this close.
I don't know whether they want to take over the country, but I think they damn well want the truth to come out.
Yeah, I think we can say some of the resignations that have been happening as a result of that.
And they're not going to put up with this crap anymore.
I mean, we're talking about the United States, and this is a worldwide situation.
And what's interesting is that Henry Deacon is in the audience, and he is nodding yes to what you have just said.
And in fact, Camelot is alive and operational, and we have been told this by a number of people on the inside, because we are protected by just such people, which we call white hats.