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Nov. 18, 2007 - Project Camelot
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Project Camelot interviews Dan Sherman
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Thank you.
This was such a unique experience and I really, really felt that the world needed to know about this experience and that it was going on in the government.
In the womb, I was genetically managed to have a particular And this ability was what he called intuitive communications.
It was because electromagnetic communications were going to be disrupted on a worldwide scale.
And the only way that the world leaders and military and all these people who were in charge of the world, so to speak, you know, the different countries and, you know, different levels of government, the only way they would be able to communicate is through this network of intuitive communicators.
There's got to be some sort of reason why they're helping us do this.
And it might be because we're going to need them at that future date.
I don't know.
If they're going to be stationed around the world and be used as communicators for world leaders and stuff, I mean, you have to have a couple hundred at least, and that's based on them working 24 hours a day.
But it would have to be somebody who is very, very, very high up I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot and we're here introducing Dan Sherman.
And he is a very, very fascinating guy.
We are very interested and excited to be able to interview him here today.
He's a little bit hard to catch.
He's not been doing interviews lately and I think he keeps a very low profile.
I don't know if that's intentional or if that's just sort of the way the cards fall.
Maybe you could give like a short overview of who you are and what an amazing story you have to tell.
Sure.
I went in the military just like any 18-year-old right out of high school and I was in a certain job, a security police job, and at some point I was kind of led to another job, which was electronic intelligence.
This job provided me access to a higher security classification, and so I got top-secret clearances and SCI clearances, and so that led me into a world where, well, to back up, the military kind of had a plan for me as it was It was revealed later on, but at this point I didn't know that was going on.
But evidently, and it was after I had gone into this other electronic intelligence field, that I went to a school to get trained for it and I was called into an office, a captain's office.
He was in charge of The school, I believe it was.
I went into his office and he revealed this amazing story to me.
Evidently, at birth, or actually in the womb, I was genetically managed to have a particular ability, and this ability was what he called intuitive communications.
And how this happened was, and this is where, you know, a lot of people roll their eyes, and I rolled my eyes at the time, and I was like, I can't believe this has happened to me, but he said that my mother was abducted when she was pregnant with me, and the fetus, which was me, was genetically managed, and he said everybody had this particular ability that I was genetically managed for, but mine was just heightened to an nth degree.
I was at the school to not only learn a certain particular procedure for my job, my regular job, electronic intelligence, but I was also there to go to another school, which was to uncover this ability that I had.
I had the ability, but it was like I wasn't able to control it or to know it was there until it was uncovered to me or So I could practice at it, so to speak.
So he told me where to meet the van and told me all the logistics of how it would operate.
And I started going to school that would allow me to uncover this ability and to practice it.
And that was at nighttime.
In the daytime, I was going to my regular schooling for the job that I was in electronic intelligence.
And how old were you at this time?
I have to have a caveat here because one of the things that I can't reveal in the book is things having to do with locations because this is how they hide this type of thing.
You are assigned to a black assignment which is legitimately classified for a reason because of national security, etc.
But they do that so that they keep the gray-related projects attached to black-related projects so that they would have a reason to have heightened security at that location.
And so, therefore, they assign people who are a part of gray projects to these black projects.
There's a reason to get them to that location.
There's a reason for them to be there.
And it's all under the guise of the black project and the funding of the black project, etc.
My complication in writing the book is I don't want to reveal national security issues because that's legitimate.
I mean, I don't want our country being crippled by my big mouth.
In the same token, I do want to reveal the Grey Project, which has nothing to do with national security.
It has everything to do with power within the government.
So, I have to be very careful in what I release as far as the Grey Project goes, how it relates to the Black Projects that I worked on.
And one of those is the location that I was at, at a particular time, a particular age.
I don't want to correlate these things.
I see.
Okay.
So I'm not trying to evade the issue.
I mean, it's kind of a simple question.
What year were you doing that?
And anybody can look at my military record and see when I went to school at the NSA. I mean, they can see the trail, so to speak.
I can list all the bases I've been to.
But when I start talking about Black projects and related to the gray projects, I can't say that in the same sentence as the base that I've been at.
Okay, well why don't we list the bases that you were at?
We'll get those out of the way and that way you don't have to refer to any specific base.
I've been at Osan Air Base in Korea, been there actually twice.
I've been to Offutt Air Force Base in Nebraska, which is the SAC headquarters.
I'm not sure if it's called SAC anymore, Strategic Air Command.
But San Vito de Normi, actually it's called San Vito in Italy, in the southern tip of Italy.
And I've been to, there's one in Colorado, Buckley Air National Guard Base.
I was stationed there in Denver, Colorado.
And have you mentioned Germany yet?
No, I haven't been stationed in Germany.
You haven't?
No, I've gone temporary duty there, and I've gone to school there, and I've deployed there, but I've never been stationed in Germany.
I see.
I was stationed in Holland, though.
Thank you for bringing me to the European theater again.
I was stationed in Holland for a couple of years, which was my absolutely favorite base.
I love that.
Are we allowed to ask how many years you spent in the military?
Yeah, I was there for 12 years.
Okay.
I went in in 1982, when I was 18, and I got out in 1995.
Okay.
So, I spent 12 years there.
Tell me how you want me to put this, but as an alien communicator, an ET communicator...
Well, they called it intuitive communication.
Are you an empath as well?
No, I don't think I am in the strict term.
However, I do have...
I can really, really sense people's emotions probably more than your average person.
But I wouldn't go so far as to say that I'm an empath because it's not over...
Overbearing or overpowering.
I'm just really sensitive to people's moods and emotions.
But back to this ability.
This is an ability that is really, really concrete.
It's like we are talking right now.
You say something and it conveys a message and it's a pretty solid message.
If I need to clarify that message or ask you to clarify, I can ask you to clarify.
But it's a very, very concrete communications that we're doing when we're talking.
And that is the same way with the intuitive communications.
There's no room for error.
You hear about these people who They have the ability to, what is that called, the remote viewers?
They get these senses and these images.
It's not real concrete.
It's not like looking at a picture.
There is room for interpretation.
But that's not like this.
I mean, intuitive communications is extremely concrete.
The communications are there.
Okay, that's great to hear.
So, are you saying that you hear a voice in your head?
No, no, it's not a voice.
Okay, do you see pictures?
No, it's not vocal, and it's not image-based as if, you know, when you send...
Here's a good analogy.
When you send somebody a JPEG through email, the email itself, the transmission of that information is in bits, you know, through electronic means.
And then at the other end, the computer compiles that information, that electronic information, and then displays an image to you.
And so you're thinking that, I mean, when we think of an email, we just think we got a picture.
But actually we got all kinds of bits, electronic bits, and the computer put it in the form of a picture for you.
So that's the same way with intuitive communications.
The medium itself was not a visual medium.
But when it got to me and my brain assessed that information, it put it into a picture for me so that I could understand Or my mind could convey, because I had to convey all these communications through a computer to some place that I have no idea where I went.
But when I got a communication, I had to convey this communication.
And so a lot of it was rendered in pictures in my head.
But sometimes it was just rendered in language, you know, English language.
And sometimes it was rendered...
And smells, even, sometimes.
I could sense a smell.
You're getting a whole picture, not just snippets.
No.
It's a full mode of communications.
I can sense things around the communications, but it was a direct, it's kind of hard to put it in terms, but when we're sitting here in this interview room, when I'm talking to you and I'm looking at you, I know that there's a picture there and there's a television here and there.
So I understand that that stuff is there, but our communications is what's taking up the focus of my attention.
And that was the same way with the intuitive communications.
I could sense emotions from my contact, and I could sense peripheral.
It wasn't like here, because there's a lot of things to sense here.
You went in to meet with this man and he basically told you about your mother and what you were trained for.
Is that right?
Yeah.
Well, what I was going to be training for.
Yeah, he told me about my mother being abducted and he told me a little bit about the project.
I don't think he knew a lot about the project.
I think he was just doing his job too, which was to be my contact and my And how did that make you feel when you found this out?
You know, it's funny to look back on it now because I was such a different person then because obviously I was very young.
And when you're young, you look at things a lot differently than when you're older and experienced.
And in retrospect, if I were to have been told that today, I wouldn't have been so naive as to just accept it because, you know, today I'm 47 years old and you don't accept things at face value the way you do when you're younger and you have no inhibitions and you're like, yeah, okay, let's do this.
Now there was some sort of skepticism because I knew that in the military a lot of times you get Joked on or punked or whatever you want to call it, you know, and initiations and stuff.
And I knew that I was coming to a school and I thought there was a small worry there that I was being, you know, there was a joke and somebody was going to jump out of the closet and say, ha ha ha, you believe this alien thing, you know.
But of course that didn't happen.
But, for the most part, it was the military.
It was the military in me.
I said, okay, well, this is a mission, and I've got to accept this as just another reality in my life, and I've got to move on and do what I'm told.
But it was shocking.
It was very shocking.
It was shocking.
Yes.
Okay, because I was just wondering if, I mean, did you have experiences in your childhood that might have prepared you for that moment such that you might have accepted it a little quicker, a little easier?
You were almost created to do a certain mission.
So it was within your programming, you know, to use that term very loosely, to be prepared for that notion.
Did you have any conscious memories of your own ET? I only did that in retrospect later on as I thought about it.
Of course it didn't occur to me at that particular moment when he told me.
Just to clarify also, my mother got pregnant in a very normal way so that the creation itself was there normally and it's one of the questions I had is, am I Am I human?
You know, am I 100% human?
And he said, yes, you're definitely 100% human, but it's just that your genetic makeup was tweaked a little bit to allow for this heightened ability.
Do you have a Celtic background like many people of that nature?
You know what I'm saying?
You mean from my genealogy?
We're from Europe, Northern Europe, England and France.
I have a little bit of Cherokee in me too.
I was going to ask you.
You have some Indian.
Okay, so there you go.
Did you ever talk to your mother about this?
Yes, I have talked to my mother.
I didn't talk to her until about About four years after the book came out.
Because I just, I just, I felt that bringing that to my mom really wouldn't add anything to the scenario and it just might, depending on her reaction, it might have been detrimental to our relationship.
So I had to weigh the pros and cons of actually talking to her about it.
If she did have memories of something and she did Accept and support my coming out with what I did come out with my story.
Then it really doesn't add anything to the story because the story is a story.
I mean my experience is the experience and there's nothing that's going to take away from that because it happened.
But her saying that something happened It would have been nice and it would have been a little bit of an addendum to my experience, but if she didn't have any memories and she didn't accept it, because it's a hard thing to understand and to believe for a lot of people.
I didn't want to risk our relationship deteriorating because of my experience.
It was a difficult decision, but I finally took her out one day and I told her that I had written a book and she was like, what?
My mother is not exactly a world traveler.
She lives in her own little world and that's it.
So I wasn't too concerned about her running across the book anywhere.
So I told her and And she said she didn't have any memories of any abductions or anything, but she has had some unique experiences.
She actually saw a UFO one time, and actually I remember it because she was screaming and hollering in the bedroom when I came and she saw it out the window.
So I remember that.
So she has had some unique experiences, but she fully accepts it.
She says that she knows the person I am and that I'm not going to be saying stuff like that if it's not something that actually happens.
So she's fine with it, but she doesn't have any memories.
So there's no correlation there, so to speak.
Okay.
So, okay, so you were told you were brought in and actually given sort of a deeper clearance in order to do this new program, right?
Well, the clearances were the same because at this particular base where I was going to school, there was no There was no cover of the black cover, so to speak.
I did sign, you know, they always make you sign these papers saying you're not going to discuss this, that and the other thing.
And as it applies to the gray projects that I worked on, it's kind of a moot point because there is no paperwork trail.
There's no proof that anybody could bring out of a facility that proves what you're doing with the gray projects.
So this is purposeful.
You know, on the part of the military, obviously.
If there's no paper trail, this is what they want, right?
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
And that's how they hide it so well.
Because when you work on, let's say, you know, in the early 80s, you worked on the F-117, the stealth thing at Tonopah in...
If you worked on it, you could slip in a camera and take a picture of something.
I mean, it's feasible.
So there's actual proof that you can gather.
Now, you probably wouldn't want to because of the trouble you get in.
There's something you can bring out and prove what you're working on.
With the great projects, at least what I worked on, the level of which that I worked on, there was absolutely no proof that you could bring out of anywhere.
I mean, I could I could look and look and look and there's no way I could bring any proof out of the facility.
And that's how they designed it because they want to have the ability to deny it and not have any trump card that says, wait a minute, look at this, whatever proof you might have.
So in terms of the nuts and bolts, you, now I remember the description is that you went into this sort of, I don't know, it sounded like a trailer, but I don't know if it literally was a trailer, but it was a place that was compartmentalized in such a way that you were on half of it and there was another person at a monitor on another half.
And you basically weren't allowed to talk to anybody.
Could you describe that sort of scenario?
Sure.
That was at a functioning base.
That wasn't at the training facility.
Okay.
And that was when I was doing my actual real job, electronic intelligence.
Oh, okay.
We had a...
It was a C-van.
It's called a C-van.
It's kind of like a trailer, but no wheels.
And you go into it and we had two stations in this van and I worked one station and my partner worked the other station and we couldn't be in the trailer apart from one another.
We both had to be in the trailer at the same time because of the...
well, we just had to be in the trailer at the same time.
But he had no clue as to what I was doing with the Grey Project.
Okay.
So he wasn't part of the Grey Project to your knowledge?
Well, not to my knowledge, but I have a feeling that I was probably the only one there that was part of the Grey Project.
In a sense, you're a psychic.
Yeah, I guess you could call it a very, very specialized psychic.
Okay.
Do you have the same abilities that you had with the gray aliens that you were communicating with, with humans?
Well, that's a question I get posed often, and I always have to think about it because I guess it's possible if the other person had the same type of heightened ability.
And, you know, who knows?
If I had stayed in longer, maybe it would have migrated to that That level for the training, because at every point in my job that I was doing the Gray Project, it was always training.
That's all I did was train.
And what they told me was I was training for a particular thing in the future that was going to happen, and I needed to be Up to snuff, so to speak, and able to do it without any reservations and without any mistakes.
So the communications that I was receiving constantly, week in, week out, and that I would convey through the computer when I was typing it into the computer, it was all just a test.
Basically, I was just training, training, training, training, training.
Now, the initial training at the school was to uncover the ability, but then when I went operational at other bases, the two other bases that I did this at, that was training as well.
It's just that it wasn't the beginning.
Well, it was on-the-job training at that point, to put it in those terms.
Because at that point, you were actually in communication with an alien, whereas In the initial training, if I understand, maybe you could describe that.
There was a flat line that you actually were supposed to sort of move around with your mind and things.
The technology obviously came from the ET species that we were in contact with, but at the school I was not communicating with an ET. It was kind of like a biofeedback machine, but on a totally different level, because I wasn't connected to the machine at all.
It started out by having these boxes on a computer screen.
I had these boxes and had an oscilloscope straight line through each one of the boxes.
I was told to concentrate on a tone that was being played in my ear on headphones.
And the instructions were to mentally hum this tone.
So if you think...
That's a hard thing to do is mentally hum.
You're humming, yet it's not vocal and it's in your mind.
But they said that's what you have to concentrate on is to mentally hum.
So I would mentally hum this particular tone that they would be playing in my earphones.
And then, at some point, I started to sense that the line that I was looking at when I was doing this was connected to my mind somehow and that I could move it.
But it took a while.
It took several days for me to even...
And that was just torture, you know, three or four hours of just sitting there and mentally humming something for a couple days without any...
I'm thinking somebody's going to jump out of a closet again and say, I can't believe you've been mentally humming this tone for three days.
But anyway, I did it, and it finally did.
And it was in the book I wrote, and it's kind of like a sense of clicking.
It wasn't an audible click, but it was like when you're up against this force and then all of a sudden the force gives way and you can move your hand against that force and move your hand quicker because the force has been taken away.
That's kind of how it felt is this resistance and then the resistance gave way and kind of clicked.
Did it grow, this ability?
Once you clicked, was it just there or was it Or did you feel that there was an advancement that you went through?
Oh yeah, definitely an advancement.
And it was very, very, very odd because once my mind knew how to overcome that little bit of resistance to the ability, it was weird because my mind...
It automatically knew kind of what to do, and so it grew upon itself without me actually, I mean, overtly doing something.
Of course, you know, I was mentally engaged in the exercises and stuff that they gave me, but I can sense that there was this exponential learning that was going on in my brain.
It was just the oddest feeling, and during this time, I had these weird dreams, and I mean, it was just, it was very, It was a very odd time mentally.
And then, of course, I was going through my regular school too, which I had to keep my grades up on.
So it was mentally exhausting, this several weeks that I was there.
It was an incredible experience from the mental standpoint.
So going through your regular training actually gave you a cover story, or gave you a cover, a reason to be wherever you were.
Sure.
It's like the layers of the onions.
So in a sense, If I recall, you'd go in to do a job, and everyone around you would think you were doing that particular job.
You were equipped to do that job, but in essence, you were doing this other job.
Well, yeah, but I had to do that other job too, and it was an important job.
So you were always doing two things.
Yeah, at the bases that I was at, the two bases.
This secret agent aspect of my life, and then a regular Joe aspect of my life.
So they gave me these...
Elaborate instructions on how the contact would happen.
When you say contact in this context, you could be talking about a lot of things so let's get the right terminology down.
Absolutely.
So that was my human contact within the great projects.
So you go to this base and you sit at the computer and what happens is you are communicating or open to communicate mentally with You know, with an ET, okay, we're not sure whether the ET is.
Did you actually know if the ET was on Earth at the time?
No.
Or anywhere?
It could be anywhere.
I never knew any location.
Up in a ship, wherever.
Okay.
So, the being is kind of almost dictating to you, would that be correct?
Yeah, kind of in our terms, yeah.
They just knew that they had a communication channel through you to get to the military, so to speak.
Yeah.
I'm convinced that there was a loop there somewhere, because The whole point of me typing it into the computer and so somebody, somewhere I could read it, was so that they could verify the information for accuracy.
Because that's essentially what I was doing, was just honing my skills to make sure that I was accurately conveying the messages that were being conveyed to me.
But wasn't it that you actually found out that what those messages were was abductions that were happening?
Well, it just so happens that some of that information seemed to me to be information about abductions.
And that's the whole problem with this entire experience is a lot of things just don't make any sense.
I'm like, well, why would they be conveying that type of information to me?
So maybe at some sort of future event, they were going to be using me to convey this type of information, abduction information.
I have no idea, but I started to receive information, like you said, that really correlated to me like it has something to do with abductions, because there were fields, so to speak, like when you're filling out a form, there were fields, while there were these pieces of information that were like potentiality for recall, I remember that one.
Residual pain levels and latitudes and longitudes.
Maybe they weren't abduction scenarios or abduction information, but it really seemed to me that it was because of the different bits of information that was being communicated.
I guess we're getting ahead of ourselves, but that was towards the end where I was like, this is just going way further than I ever wanted it to.
When I got the information about residual pain levels, that really, really, really It hit me.
Like, are there people being harmed because of this?
Because they have a different spectrum with the residual pain levels.
They reported it all the way from low digits all the way up to really high digits, like 100, and all the way down to 2 and 3.
So I was thinking, well...
On one end of that spectrum, somebody's getting hurt.
Maybe on the other one, they aren't getting hurt, but if there's a residual pain level at 2 and there's a residual pain level at 100, somebody, you know, one of those are on the bad end.
So this sounded like it had to be something that was happening on the planet so that the military could check whether or not you were actually being accurate.
Yeah.
Because if it was something off planet, they wouldn't necessarily, theoretically anyway, be able to check it.
So it'd have to be on planet.
Well, not necessarily, because if they have a loop back to the ETs that I was contacting with, and the ETs told them what the correct information was, then that would complete the loop, regardless of where they were at.
Okay, meaning there had to be another communicator on the loop, because I'm assuming on some level the They wouldn't need you if they communicated directly the way I'm communicating with you.
Exactly.
I don't think that was the only way to communicate with them.
I think that, and this was what was told to me in the meeting that I had, the first meeting, The whole purpose of this project, the Project Preserve Destiny, was to train this cadre of individuals that would be able to communicate intuitively because at some certain event in the future,
that was going to be the only way that we can communicate with Well, it was because electromagnetic communications were going to be disrupted on a worldwide scale.
And the only way that the world leaders and military and all these people who are in charge of the world, so to speak, you know, the different countries and, you know, different levels of government, the only way they would be able to communicate is through this network of intuitive communicators.
And again, we're going to jump ahead a little bit here simply because we can't sit and read your book from start to finish, which I would encourage everyone to do because it's remarkable in that you don't elaborate or embellish or go off track.
You really just tell the story in a very nuts and bolts fashion.
Well, I tell people that if I were to make up a story, it would be a lot more elaborate than this.
But I want to stick to what happened to me and let everybody else conjecture upon that.
Because if I start conjecturing, then I think it sullies my credibility, so to speak.
As a witness.
Yeah.
I need to stick to the facts.
I guess you developed a relationship, not necessarily with the first ET that you were communicating with, but with the second one.
Is that right?
Well, when you say relationship, that's kind of a loose term, but we didn't have five-side chats.
But what you're referring to is, at some point, there was a different level of communications that I stumbled upon.
That's one of the most difficult things that I had to explain in the book because it's really hard to describe the nuts and bolts of the communication itself, let alone another level of the communication.
But suffice to say that at some point I discovered this other level that I got the sense after his reaction, my AT contact, After his reaction, I got the sense that that wasn't a monitored level of communications.
I guess it's a moot point, it doesn't really matter whether it was monitored, but I felt more comfortable talking out of line, so to speak, or communicating other than the official communications that we were conveying.
It was interesting how the communications happened because they happened instantaneously.
However, again, my conversion of that conversation had to be converted to real-time, which is, in the human world, we have to start doing something, and then we end doing something, and in between, there's a time frame.
So, I would get the communications, and then I would start typing it, and he would just hang on the line, so to speak, until I got done, so that if I needed clarification on something, then I could ask for clarification.
You know, it's funny, in retrospect, because at the time that this was happening, I never knew in my wildest dreams that I would actually be talking about this to somebody.
I always thought that it would just be, you know, because it's classified, and I would never discuss it.
So, in retrospect, nicknaming them Spock and Bones was probably not the best thing for my credibility, because it looks like I'm, you know, just, you know, embellishing to make it look funny.
Well, it's very poetic, let's put it that way.
But the first one was named Spock because, and thank you for clarifying that, the first one was named Spock because of the logic nature in which the communications happened.
Their emotions were very much based in logic, although they had other emotions too, but it was much more logical than ours, our conversations.
So I just, you know, I nicknamed him Spock in my own mind, that's who I referred to him as.
And then on the second contact, at the second base, it was a different ET contact, and so I just went along the Star Trek theme and named him Bones, but there was no reason to name Bones.
Could you see these beings while you were communicating with them in your mind?
No, and I believe at one point I tried to convey my desire to see or to get a visual, but I never got a visual of anything.
Oh, you did?
Not of them, no.
I got visual stimulus, you know, plenty of visual stimulus, but nothing of them.
And that would have been, again, that's one of the things in the book, it would have been nice to be able to have a drawing and, you know, be all kinds of nifty stuff, but...
Okay, so Bones, the second one, comes on the scene and you're communicating with him in the sort of normal sort of way that you've been used to doing your job, right?
Which is receiving comms.
At what point in the length of exposure to this being did you suddenly reach that place?
Could you kind of describe that transition?
As I recall, I think it started with Spock towards the end of our time together.
So even with Spock you were getting to that.
Yeah, I think that's when it started.
And I can't quite say that for 100% sure, but I think it was at the end of our contacts, the time that we were contacting one another.
I think it was towards the end of that.
But most of that communication was with Bones because I had discovered it already and felt more comfortable by that time.
I see.
At some point, the contact said that they were quite surprised that I would be able to do that because that's not a level of communication that typically the intuitive communicators are...
I'm sure they have the ability, but that they find, so to speak.
What happened then?
Can you tell us a little bit about your dialogue with Bones?
And basically, were these communications happening outside of your work hours?
No, never.
Never?
Absolutely never.
Well, I tried to at one point.
But there was no...
Well, let me step back a little bit.
I did start to receive once, one time in the dorm.
And I told him that I wasn't at work.
You know, I wasn't at my station.
And so he signed off.
But I think it was just kind of a...
A clerical error, a mistake or something, he didn't realize that I wasn't at work.
Because obviously they had my schedule because they would start the communication when I was at work.
Okay, but in what you call the informal communication, you were not communicating this informal dialogue to your superiors, right?
No, no.
You weren't typing it into the machine?
No, no.
If it were a question that I posed to them, then I wouldn't convey any answers, so to speak.
But conversely, I hardly ever got an answer, so it was kind of a moot point.
Okay, well you had a relationship of sorts with Bones in which you were able to ask him questions and he would respond from time to time.
Sure.
And you felt that it was something of an informal dialogue as you called it.
Yeah.
Can you recall Various dialogue points that you had.
There's a lot of impressions that I was left with regarding our communications and regarding them.
I've always been interested in time and time travel and stuff.
So I did try to pick his brain, so to speak, as far as how they travel and how they got here and how it relates to our time.
What I got was the impression that they do use time to travel, but not in the sense that we think, you know, where they go backward and forward in time.
I asked him about that.
I said, can we go backward and forward in time?
And the impression I got was you couldn't go backward and forward in time because time is relative.
So if you go back 10 minutes from right now, well right now is a relative time point.
It's not a solid time point.
So you can't go back from something that's relative to everything else anyway.
So, what he said was they could go around time.
And I didn't really understand that, but he said that you could go around, using electromagnetic energy, you could go around time.
And as I thought about it later, you know, you read about Einstein's theory that, you know, that a light can bend around.
When it's gone by a planet, it'll bend because of the gravitational pull of the planet.
And I think they use that gravitational energy, so to speak, to go around time.
I don't think they can go back a half hour from right now and experience that time frame, but they do use time in some sort of way to travel, because they do travel long distances, he said.
In other words, he didn't then.
Dan Burish talks about his relationship with a J-Rod.
I don't know if you're familiar with his relationship with a J-Rod called Kaiella.
And he says that Kaiella was a time-traveling ET. Who came back around the time of Roswell and that they had a mission.
Were you told by Bones that he came from the future?
Well, no.
The impression I got regarding time was that they couldn't do that.
They couldn't go backward and forward in time.
Now, of course, this was an impression I got and it wasn't something that he gave me algorithms and gave me the proof that this can't happen or this can't happen.
But, as he told me, they use time to travel, but they go around time and they don't go through time.
They don't go backward and forward in time.
They just use time to travel, which is, they go around it.
Well, perhaps, I mean, going around it, maybe they bend it?
Yeah, that's the impression that I got, is they bend time.
I don't know what the practical application of that is, though, unfortunately.
Obviously, we're not physicists here, but if you bend time, certainly if I bend something, And I've got a line, and over here is 2012, over here is 1920.
If I bend time and bring them together, I'm going from 1912 to 1920, or vice versa.
In a sense, I am traveling through time, but I'm bending it.
So I understand...
And that could very well be...
There could be very specific Things that he was talking about related and maybe even related to their particular abilities and perhaps maybe some other ET species has a different ability.
I don't know.
But he did convey that they did use it for traveling.
Okay.
And what about the crafts?
Did they tell you anything about their crafts?
How they were propelled, etc?
No.
Just electromagnetic energy and time.
That's what I got from them.
I did ask him about God and, you know, the whole religion aspect of how it relates to them and us, and he said that we are created, and he said we as in them and us, you know, the we aspect was generic, both of us.
Instead of saying we as in them.
It was in the context of all of us and he said that we are created.
We are of the same creation.
He said there are two creations.
One is intelligent creation and one is non-intelligent creation.
And we, them and us, are part of the same intelligent creation.
Now, he didn't specify any religions or anything like that.
He just said that we are a part of the same creation.
We were all created.
Which I thought was very interesting from an ET aspect of it, because you wouldn't think that an ET would admit to a, because of their higher level intelligence, you know, a lot of people think that they created us.
So that's not what you were told.
You were not told that this particular, at least this particular group that he represented, No.
He didn't say that, but he said that we are a part of the same creation, which would lead me to believe that they did not create us, but we were all created.
And did you ask him about Jesus?
Lots of people like to say that Jesus was an ET or partial ET. Yeah, I never got any information regarding anything related to Jesus or a specific religion.
Okay, how did you know what species of ET he was or did you know?
No.
In other words, did your superior say you're going to be talking to a gray?
No.
He could have been Nordic, for all we know, right?
You know, I don't even keep up on the different species, so I have absolutely no clue, but they had nicknames for the greys, or one of them was grey, and it's actually called the Grey Projects that we worked on.
And they also call them slant missions, and I don't exactly know how that relates, but it is referred to as the missions that you're on.
If you're on a gray mission, it's called a slant mission.
I don't know how that relates to the species, though.
I was never told anything relating to a specific species.
How long did your communication with bones and the informal nature of it go on?
Well, it was pretty much the whole time that we were communicating, which I think was probably around 10 months or so.
Okay, so in 10 months' time, you must have asked him a lot of questions.
Well, yeah, I tried to.
You know, a lot of times the communications would happen, and as time went on, I got better at the communications, and Bones knew that.
So he didn't stay on as long for the clarification.
So I would really have to be quick with my question if I had a question.
I did ask him about God and, you know, the whole religion aspect of how it relates to them and us.
And he said that we are created, and he said we as in them and us, you know, the we aspect was generic, both of us.
Instead of saying we as in them.
It was in the context of all of us and he said that we are created.
We are of the same creation.
He said there are two creations.
One is intelligent creation and one is non-intelligent creation.
And we, them and us, are part of the same intelligent creation.
Now, he didn't specify any religions or anything like that.
He just said that we are a part of the same creation.
We were all created.
Which I thought was very interesting from an ET aspect of it, because you wouldn't think that an ET would admit to a, because of their higher level intelligence, you know, a lot of people think that they created us.
So that's not what you were told.
You were not told that this particular, at least this particular group that he represented, Was not responsible for creating us.
No.
He didn't say that, but he said that we are a part of the same creation, which would lead me to believe that they did not create us, but we were all created.
Did you ask him about Jesus?
Lots of people like to say that Jesus was an E.T. or partial E.T.? I never got any information regarding anything related to Jesus or a specific religion.
How did you know what species of E.T. he was or did you know?
In other words, did your superior say you're going to be talking to a gray?
No.
He could have been Nordic, for all we know, right?
You know, I don't even keep up on the different species, so I have absolutely no clue, but they had nicknames for the greys, or one of them was grey, and it's actually called the Grey Projects that we worked on, and they also called them Slant Missions.
And I don't exactly know how that relates, but it is referred to as the missions that you're on.
If you're on a gray mission, it's called a slant mission.
It's kind of like having a relationship with your grandfather over the course of two or three years, and then five years later, someone asking, well, what did your grandpa think about You don't remember an exact conversation about exactly what he said,
but you get this sense of the answers over time because you know based on the conversations you've had.
So, when I reveal the things that I've learned from them, it's not word for word, you know, exact quotes.
It's the impression that I got after asking them three or four times in a particular area, and so it's my reporting of my impressions of what they've communicated to me over the span of the two years that I did this.
I mean, at some point you developed sort of a conscience about what you were doing, and I'm going to assume that this impacted why you left in the end anyway.
But you must have asked him about the abductions.
Yeah, I did, and I never got any answers for that.
Never.
It was just communication, and then he was gone.
Okay, in the abductions, you said you got latitudes and longitudes.
So what was the implication?
Were people being abducted all over the planet on a regular basis?
Are you able to tell us?
Or was there more mass abductions?
Were there mass abductions and where did they happen?
I didn't get hundreds of them.
I maybe got Maybe a couple dozen or three dozen or maybe something like that.
So it wasn't a lot of them.
And to tell you the truth, I didn't really, until maybe I'd gotten a couple dozen of them or whatever, I didn't really start thinking, well, wait a minute, you know, it didn't really start dawning on me until I had received several of them that this might be something that is odd.
And then right towards the end, and that's probably why I stopped getting them, is because I started to ask my handler about them, and what is this?
What is this information?
It seems like it's abductions, and it seems like there's pain, and You know, that type of thing.
And the answer I always got back from my handler was, just communicate what you're told, you know, what is being communicated to you.
Just communicate that to us and don't ask questions.
You're not here to ask questions.
You're here to practice your ability.
So then I got frustrated and of course there was a lot of other things going on with my personal life and I didn't want to be there anymore.
I mean, I didn't want to have this going on in my life anymore because it was affecting my personal life.
I couldn't get close to people because I didn't want to talk about things.
I mean, I was just having a lot of psychological issues with having this type of job because it was isolating me from the world in my mind at the time.
I mean, maybe I ought to work through that.
So, Project Preserve Destiny, what is the objective of that project, to your knowledge?
Yes, as it was told to me when I was briefed into the project at the school, there's going to be some sort of event in the future that's going to wipe out all electromagnetic energy.
And now I don't know whether that's a temporary knockout or a permanent knockout or semi-permanent or whatever, I don't know that, but he said that there's going to be some sort of event and that this group of individuals, the intuitive communicators,
were going to be basically the communications conduit for world leaders and You know, they're going to be strategically placed all around the world so that they can convey the communications and then convey what that communications is to the people around them, whoever around them, the leaders or whoever.
In other words, they're the only ones who are going to be able to communicate with the ETs and then to the human beings.
To the humans in the military, because it certainly isn't just human to human, it's ET to human.
Well, that's kind of the wild card, is I don't know.
I don't think I stayed long enough in order to find out the different methods this might take, you know, the different channels it might take.
Right, but you were communicating with an alien or an ET, so it has to involve ET communication.
Well, that's the assumption.
Have you been brought back into the military, or have you been interviewed, like I'm interviewing you, or have you been asked to give, I don't know, a download as to what really happened?
Because at this point you're outside the military, you've written a book, the military is interested in all this because they brought you in in the beginning.
So are you at liberty to say if this has happened?
Well, I haven't been in contact with the government, although I will say that one time that I was on the phone with a producer from a really, really popular radio show.
I mean, really, one of the top two in the nation.
And after I got off the phone with the producer, I got a phone call on my cell phone Anyway, I got a phone call from somebody and it said, Don't take it any further.
Some terminology that said, stop this pursuit.
And then it just hung up.
And I was like, I sat there for five minutes thinking, how in the world?
I don't understand.
Because I was on the phone with this producer, and it wasn't more like...
It was more like 30 seconds or a minute after I got off the phone with this producer, I got that phone call.
And...
That was the only thing that has ever happened, and all the communications that I've had, all the conferences that I've done, and all this stuff, the book, I've never gotten any type of communication from the government, and I just got that phone call, and who knows, that might have been the producer calling back and just trying to scare me and thinking it was a joke or something, I don't know.
It was quite odd.
Actually, that's what was unusual about it, because I was on my cell phone to the producer, and the landline that I was at at the time called.
That's what I thought was weird, because if it were the cell phone, then maybe I'd think that the people were calling me back.
Somebody called back.
Obviously tapping your communications.
I mean, why wouldn't they?
Now, you're an electronics expert, are you not?
Well, in very, very limited capacity.
What I was doing in the military, yeah, I knew a lot about.
Okay, but you must know about surveillance techniques and what they have at their disposal.
And you must be conscious.
I mean, even as a telepath to some degree, you must know that you're being monitored.
Oh, yeah.
When I first released the book, I did it in a way that if there was going to be some sort of Interesting activities from the government when I released it that they really couldn't do anything about it.
I sent it to one of the largest web sites at the time.
This was 1997, so the web wasn't as big as it is today, obviously.
But there was a site called ufomind.com.
Glenn Campbell, he lives in Las Vegas or Pahrump or somewhere around there, he was running it.
I don't know where it is now and how big it is now, but it was the biggest UFO-related, alien-related type of site.
I sent the manuscript to him and then we released the book.
So I wanted it to be out there in the public with somebody before it actually got printed.
So anyway, right after I wrote the book, I sent some pictures to UFO Magazine in In England.
So I sent it to England.
A lady editor named Georgina something, Georgina Bueller or something like that.
Anyway, I sent it to her and she said she sent him back.
I never got him back.
So, and they were very interesting pictures.
They were the pictures of one of the bases that I was stationed at.
And I'm absolutely positive that somebody did not want those pictures to be continued to be copied.
But they were published in the UFO magazine that month.
Anyway, so that's the only two scenarios that I've come across.
If you think about it though, they have no incentive to do anything to silence me because If they do something, then that just brings a certain level of press or whatever to the situation because something has been done about what I'm saying.
If you don't do anything about what I'm saying, then it kind of is lumped in with all the other loonies or whatever out there talking about aliens and things.
I think their concern was, am I going to have any evidence?
And, of course, you know, I had absolutely no evidence of the Gray Project.
So, to them, it's like, you know, whatever.
You could just be a nutcase out there.
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
But on top of it, I have to say that you've kept a pretty low profile.
You live in a kind of an obscure area.
Excuse me for saying that, but it is to some degree.
And some of the people in the UFO circuit, if you will, are pretty flamboyant and out there, constantly seeing around and whatnot.
You are kind of low profile.
Well, you know, it's interesting because I think what lends my story to a higher degree of credibility maybe is I'm not a typical person, like you just said, that you see on the UFO circuit.
I mean, I've spoken at conferences, but I don't fit in at those conferences.
I've done a lot of press, and what I've found is I am a very different person from most of the people in the UFO world in that I have conservative beliefs, and most people have a more freer lifestyle or a little bit more liberal or whatever.
If this hadn't happened to me and somebody told me this story, you know, just with my own background or anything, I would say that they're just lunatics.
So it's very interesting that this person here has experienced what he's experienced.
And that would be the only thing that would make me a believer is me experiencing it.
Otherwise, I probably wouldn't be as believing of this world or this stuff happening in this world.
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