PBD - Patrick Bet-David - Daily Wire Layoffs + Tucker Called Out | PBD #790
Aired: 2026-05-04
Duration: 02:12:16


=== Project Freedom Raises (05:23) ===

[00:00:05]  Did you ever think you were making it?
[00:00:07]  I still don't think so.
[00:00:11]  It tastes sweet.
[00:00:12]  I know this life meant for me.
[00:00:14]  Adam, what's your point?
[00:00:15]  The future looks bright.
[00:00:18]  My handshake is better than anything I ever signed.
[00:00:22]  It's right here.
[00:00:22]  You are a one on one?
[00:00:23]  My son's right there.
[00:00:24]  I don't think I've ever said this before.
[00:00:30]  Okay.
[00:00:30]  All right.
[00:00:31]  Lots going on, folks.
[00:00:32]  Lots going on.
[00:00:33]  I got a whole, uh, uh, Breakdown for wealth tax that I want to talk about sometime here on the podcast.
[00:00:38]  I'm sure when we get to the Seattle part, we will get to.
[00:00:40]  I just blew my nose.
[00:00:41]  So, anyways, what else we got going on?
[00:00:44]  So, we have a report that comes in with Trump saying he's going to remove how many soldiers, Tom?
[00:00:51]  Is it 5,000?
[00:00:52]  No, 5,000.
[00:00:53]  From Germany because the guy talked smack.
[00:00:55]  He's like, oh, really?
[00:00:56]  Yeah.
[00:00:56]  Really?
[00:00:57]  You don't need anybody.
[00:00:58]  Hey, guys.
[00:00:59]  Bounce.
[00:01:00]  Bounce.
[00:01:01]  That's right.
[00:01:02]  Not 5,000.
[00:01:02]  Then Project Freedom was.
[00:01:04]  I don't know what you just said, Tom, right there.
[00:01:09]  Project Freedom was just announced.
[00:01:12]  The fact that he knows that.
[00:01:14]  Project Freedom was just announced from Trump in regards to ROP.
[00:01:19]  This is the one with Strait of Hormuz where they're escorting the ships out and telling them where not to go, where the mines are at, right?
[00:01:26]  And Iran is saying that's breaking the ceasefire.
[00:01:29]  And Iran's saying they suggested they had 14 points that they asked for.
[00:01:33]  I believe the administration said no to seven or eight points.
[00:01:36]  But nobody knows what the 14 points are because they're not public.
[00:01:39]  But Operation Project Freedom, United led military operation by a multinational coalition formed just now to respond to Iranian attacks on shipping in the Strait of Hormuz.
[00:01:49]  So they're trying to find a way to get ships across.
[00:01:52]  We'll talk about that.
[00:01:53]  A couple other things.
[00:01:55]  The Daily Wire rumors has that a story came out that they fired.
[00:01:58]  What's the number?
[00:01:59]  60%.
[00:02:00]  60% of people that were let go.
[00:02:02]  And the editor in chief is like, you guys don't know what you're talking about.
[00:02:04]  That's not the number.
[00:02:05]  We'll address that on what's going on there.
[00:02:07]  Cuba, Trump, Trump coming out.
[00:02:09]  Hey, Rubio's going to be leading this.
[00:02:11]  They extended the sanctions to make it clear on what's going to be happening there.
[00:02:15]  Nick Shirley literally just got back from Cuba himself.
[00:02:18]  He was saying that they don't even have gas if you want to go buy gas.
[00:02:21]  $40 a gallon if you want to buy.
[00:02:23]  I don't know what the number is.
[00:02:24]  You have to get in line.
[00:02:24]  You have to get in line to even get the opportunity to buy the gas.
[00:02:27]  Yes.
[00:02:28]  And so that's that part.
[00:02:29]  And then aside from that, Tucker did an interview with, what do you call it?
[00:02:33]  It was a New York Times.
[00:02:34]  New York Times interview with Tucker.
[00:02:35]  He said a few things that are interesting to talk about.
[00:02:38]  Yes.
[00:02:39]  Spirit Airlines letting go.
[00:02:41]  What's the number, Rob?
[00:02:42]  17,000 people done?
[00:02:44]  You know, and you go back and find clips of what Garland said many years ago, the DOJ on the positions they took with Spirit Airlines, the things Elizabeth Warren said.
[00:02:53]  Now she wants to blame gas prices for the shutdown instead of what's going on.
[00:02:59]  Duffy came out and talked about it himself and what happened.
[00:03:01]  I think Besson even made some comments.
[00:03:02]  We'll play those clips.
[00:03:04]  Yeah, 15, 16, 17,000 jobs lost.
[00:03:06]  Boom, airline giant gone.
[00:03:08]  And you know who this was beneficial for?
[00:03:10]  Lower and middle income families who were traveling because their flights were, if you've ever been on a Spirit Airlines, you know.
[00:03:16]  The greatest customer service you will find in your life if you've ever been on it.
[00:03:20]  Have you ever been on Spirit?
[00:03:21]  Yeah, my question is where are all those angry women going to go?
[00:03:24]  Like, where are they going to go work now?
[00:03:26]  Yelling at you, that bag, $25.
[00:03:28]  It's called the DMV.
[00:03:29]  Yeah, okay.
[00:03:29]  Yeah, you're right.
[00:03:30]  It's actually good.
[00:03:31]  It was gangster, Pat.
[00:03:32]  They would yell at you.
[00:03:33]  Oh, my God.
[00:03:34]  Qualified DMV employees.
[00:03:34]  Put that in that fitter bag.
[00:03:36]  Make sure it fits.
[00:03:37]  Rob, put that clip of what happens at Spirit Airlines.
[00:03:40]  I don't know if you saw the highlight reel, all the fights that happens with employees.
[00:03:43]  I love it.
[00:03:44]  We have to show that clip.
[00:03:45]  Aside from that, we got a couple other things.
[00:03:47]  California's population plummets for the first time since the pandemic as LA sees extraordinary exodus that has taken place.
[00:03:55]  So, not only did they have an exodus during COVID, this is another one that they're having.
[00:03:59]  And so, we'll address that.
[00:04:00]  There's a federal government, you know, Congress bill that went out there.
[00:04:05]  They want the minimum wage now to be not $720, not $10, not $15, not $20.
[00:04:10]  They want it to be $25 an hour, is what they want it to be for federal.
[00:04:16]  They want the minimum wage to be $25 an hour.
[00:04:18]  And federal right now is $7?
[00:04:19]  $720 is right now, I believe, is what the number is, Rob.
[00:04:21]  Can you verify if I'm saying it correctly?
[00:04:23]  I think it's $7 something.
[00:04:24]  Yeah, $725 right now.
[00:04:25]  I'm getting a raise.
[00:04:27]  They want to raise that to $25 an hour on, Where the number is, you ain't getting a raise, buddy.
[00:04:33]  I'm telling you right now.
[00:04:33]  Come on, Pat.
[00:04:34]  Miracles happen.
[00:04:35]  Seven bucks.
[00:04:37]  So that's that part.
[00:04:39]  And then Gavin Newsom went on Bill Maher, and Bill Maher tried his best to try to help him out, man.
[00:04:44]  Even his best.
[00:04:45]  Can you imagine his own friend failed him?
[00:04:47]  His really close friend failed him.
[00:04:48]  His own friend failed him to the point that Trump had to come out in 300 war tweets you're talking about?
[00:04:52]  300, maybe.
[00:04:53]  One of those long legendary tweets that comes out will address that.
[00:04:58]  I don't know what happened with Charlemagne, but he said a couple words that Vinnie's not happy about.
[00:05:01]  You're talking about little Leonard.
[00:05:02]  Leonard.
[00:05:03]  Little Leonard.
[00:05:04]  Little Leonard.
[00:05:05]  Who is Little Leonard?
[00:05:06]  I'll never call him whatever the G word.
[00:05:09]  His name is Leonard.
[00:05:09]  You could just call him Charlemagne.
[00:05:10]  Is it really Little Leonard?
[00:05:12]  No, no, I call him Little.
[00:05:13]  Oh, why'd you call him Little?
[00:05:14]  He's just an angry little Richie, like Little Ricky, little baby.
[00:05:18]  Good guy, let me smile.
[00:05:20]  I'm going to just say that like so much.
[00:05:22]  He's pretty rich.
[00:05:23]  Charlemagne is a quasi.
[00:05:24]  You're right.
[00:05:25]  Let's put respect on Pretty Ricky.
[00:05:27]  Come on, y'all.

=== Who Is Little Leonard (03:06) ===

[00:05:28]  So, Kentucky Derby trainer wins.
[00:05:30]  The reaction's the best.
[00:05:31]  By the way, this is why I believe Kentucky Derby.
[00:05:33]  If you've never been, you got to go.
[00:05:34]  Greatest two minutes in sports.
[00:05:36]  This female trainer wins the first time ever.
[00:05:38]  She literally is celebrating and having anxiety and panic attacks all at the same time.
[00:05:43]  If you haven't seen this clip, it's phenomenal.
[00:05:45]  It's like Secretariat.
[00:05:46]  It's like Secretariat.
[00:05:47]  Last place.
[00:05:48]  Yeah, last place.
[00:05:49]  And then we got a couple other stories I will definitely try to get into, which is, you know, one of them is wilder than the other one.
[00:05:56]  But we have to address some of these issues on what's going on.
[00:05:59]  And so, with that being said, guys, a couple things that I do want to talk to you guys about.
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[00:07:22]  Till today, it haunts me every time I see those Pink Socks.
[00:07:25]  And the way I'm sitting on that couch, Rob, if you want to show the first clip we ever did on Valutamin, it really inspires me to know how far along we've come and all the board videos we used to do to then starting the podcast.
[00:07:39]  Yeah, if you go there, go to videos and go to the oldest, oldest right there.
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[00:07:44]  No, go to the second one, Rob.
[00:07:45]  Look at those things.
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[00:07:47]  The second one.
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[00:07:48]  Go to 40 seconds.
[00:07:50]  We want, look at the way I'm sitting.
[00:07:52]  Just right there is fine, Rob.
[00:07:54]  Okay.
[00:07:54]  You have 20 seconds.
[00:07:56]  I mean, it's like horrible, right?
[00:07:57]  What is that?
[00:07:58]  That's the first video ever.
[00:07:59]  That's Woodland Hills.
[00:08:00]  I mean, you'll look it up.
[00:08:01]  I think it's 2013, whatever it is, when I wrote a book.
[00:08:04]  There's a blog out there.
[00:08:06]  So now, PBD Podcast, where it's at.
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=== Iran And Putin Alliance (15:26) ===

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[00:09:13]  With that being said, let's get right into it.
[00:09:16]  So, out of all the stories that we have going on, I'm trying to see which one to start off with.
[00:09:20]  I say we go, Rob, with the first one being Project Freedom.
[00:09:24]  So, Project Freedom is something that was just dropped this morning.
[00:09:28]  And, Tom, I'm going to come to you first on this one here.
[00:09:31]  Rob, what page is Project Freedom on?
[00:09:33]  This is the whole story about them helping ships go through, okay?
[00:09:39]  And they're escorting these things to make sure you don't hit a mine.
[00:09:42]  Iran is not happy about it because that's saying that's breaking the ceasefire.
[00:09:46]  Nobody knows yet who the $2 million is going to with Project Ceasefire.
[00:09:50]  Rob, if you want to go to the president's tweet first, and then I'll go into this clip.
[00:09:54]  Countries from all over the world, almost all of which are not involved in the Middle East disputes, are going on so visibly and violently for all to see, have asked the U.S. if we could help free up their ships, which are locked up in the Strait of Hormuz on something which they have absolutely nothing to do with.
[00:10:11]  They are merely neutral and innocent bystanders for the good of Iran, the Middle East, and the United States.
[00:10:17]  We have told these countries that we will guide their ships safely out of their restricted waterways so that they can freely and ably get on with their business.
[00:10:27]  Again, these are ships from areas of the world that are not in any way involved with what is currently taking place in the Middle East.
[00:10:34]  I've told my representatives to inform that we will use best effort to get their ships and cruise safely out of the strait.
[00:10:42]  In all cases, they.
[00:10:43]  Said they will not be returning until the areas become safe for navigation and everything else.
[00:10:48]  This process, Project Freedom, will begin Monday morning, Middle East time.
[00:10:52]  I'm fully aware that my representatives are having their very positive discussions with the country of Iran and that these discussions could lead to something very positive for all.
[00:11:00]  The ship movement is merely meant to free up people, companies, and countries that have done absolutely nothing wrong.
[00:11:05]  They are victims of circumstances.
[00:11:07]  This is a humanitarian gesture on behalf of the United States, Middle Eastern countries, in particular the country of Iran.
[00:11:13]  Many of these ships are running low on food and many of these.
[00:11:16]  Ships are running low on food and are necessary for large scale crews to stay on board in a healthy and sanitary manner.
[00:11:21]  I think it could go a long way in showing goodwill on behalf of all those who have been fighting so strenuously over the last number of months.
[00:11:30]  So, Tom, why is this such a big deal?
[00:11:32]  This is a big deal for a couple of reasons.
[00:11:33]  The first reason it's a big deal is because it allows things to start moving through the Gulf.
[00:11:39]  And additionally, that last comment there was real.
[00:11:43]  Some of these people have been on ships for a while.
[00:11:46]  The ships are low on food, fresh water.
[00:11:48]  They've had some replenishment.
[00:11:49]  But the point is, it's been problematic.
[00:11:51]  You know, they haven't been able to pull over to Costco and fill up on their regular provisions.
[00:11:57]  And so, number one, you got to get some cargo moving through the Gulf, which is good.
[00:12:02]  And number two, it shows that the U.S. has been effective.
[00:12:06]  Why is Iran saying, Pat, oh, you're violating the ceasefire when no shots have been fired?
[00:12:13]  Why are they saying that?
[00:12:14]  Because this is not what they wanted.
[00:12:16]  And over the last three weeks, U.S. minesweepers have been going on what's called the original southern lanes.
[00:12:23]  Do we have a map up there, Rob?
[00:12:25]  The original southern lanes were the ones that were.
[00:12:28]  Right close to Oman, UAE, very, very close on the tip.
[00:12:32]  It's the map we've had for the.
[00:12:33]  There you go.
[00:12:35]  So you can see here the map.
[00:12:37]  You see there, Pat?
[00:12:38]  You have the ones that were closest to Oman and Kassab.
[00:12:42]  Those were the original lanes.
[00:12:44]  And those are the ones where Iran had put the mines.
[00:12:47]  And remember they said, oh, well, we dropped off some mines.
[00:12:50]  We just don't, we forgot where we put it.
[00:12:51]  Where, exactly.
[00:12:52]  Yeah.
[00:12:53]  So the US has had drones and minesweepers in the area.
[00:12:57]  Remember we covered the minesweepers coming to the area?
[00:12:59]  Along with drone subs, and the drone subs go underwater and sometimes send signals that cause some of these mines to detonate underwater and then they fall to the bottom of the straits.
[00:13:10]  Whereas Iran wanted the mining there so they could force everybody to go up to, I mispronounce those, Kesham Island, that's up there, where they would charge them a fee to go there.
[00:13:24]  So what the U.S. has done is kind of semi open some of the southern lanes.
[00:13:29]  And what the U.S. military, who has mapped it, is now saying, Pat.
[00:13:32]  Hey, you need to get your ship through.
[00:13:34]  Listen, take this path about like this.
[00:13:37]  You should be good because we've been out there sweeping for mines.
[00:13:40]  Thank you very much.
[00:13:41]  I'm going to go through.
[00:13:42]  Iran.
[00:13:43]  Wait a minute.
[00:13:44]  You can't do that.
[00:13:44]  That violates the ceasefire.
[00:13:46]  Wait a minute.
[00:13:46]  What does violating a ceasefire have to do when all I'm doing is I'm also escorting at a distance?
[00:13:52]  What they're doing, it's like security is really what it is, Pat.
[00:13:56]  It's like security.
[00:13:57]  So it's like Iran sees a U.S. frigate shadowing a foreign tanker just trying to go through the strait.
[00:14:05]  And Iran knows that if it launches things out there, that we're going to, that would be a violation of a ceasefire, that we're going to knock them out of the sky.
[00:14:13]  So have a nice day.
[00:14:14]  So the reason this is significant is the U.S. has got the strait moving a little bit.
[00:14:20]  And it shows that the minesweeping activity has been somewhat effective.
[00:14:26]  And we're trying to get things going and we're trying to get it open.
[00:14:29]  A lot of people would say it's a long time coming.
[00:14:31]  It's taken longer than I would have hoped it would.
[00:14:34]  But it shows that there's movement and it shows that there's positive progress.
[00:14:38]  But violate a ceasefire.
[00:14:39]  The guy screaming about that, Pat, is because we've sort of foiled some of their sea mine plot.
[00:14:48]  Sea mine plot?
[00:14:49]  Yeah, because they put the mines everywhere.
[00:14:51]  And by the way, we're talking about 100 to roughly 1,600 vessels, 20,000 crew workers that are on these ships, depending on the sizes.
[00:14:59]  Sitting there.
[00:14:59]  Some of these guys are like, dude, I need to eat something.
[00:15:02]  They're running out of basic supply.
[00:15:04]  So it's not like they're going to be like, hey, let's go to Iran.
[00:15:07]  Let's go to dinner over there.
[00:15:08]  Let's go and come back.
[00:15:09]  You can't do that.
[00:15:10]  Like, get on small little boats and go out there.
[00:15:12]  It's a different kind of a situation.
[00:15:14]  Now, while this is going on, Rob, Iran sends their proposal to the U.S. with 14 points that they asked about, right?
[00:15:22]  And then the U.S. comes back and says, no, we're not having the seven to eight points that we're going to be with.
[00:15:30]  And Ruhollah, their supreme leader, came out and said the following.
[00:15:34]  I think he said something about the fact that we're not compromising.
[00:15:37]  Iran's supreme leader vows to protect nuclear and missile capabilities.
[00:15:42]  And they keep saying this over and over and over again, meaning, look, we're not doing anything.
[00:15:47]  Unless we can't have our nuclear weapons.
[00:15:49]  So they keep saying this.
[00:15:50]  This is the Supreme Leader.
[00:15:51]  Iran's Supreme Leader vows to protect nuclear and missile capabilities right there.
[00:15:56]  In a statement, Ayatollah Mojave Khamenei said that the only place Americans belonged in the Persian Gulf is at the bottom of its waters.
[00:16:03]  Okay.
[00:16:03]  Obviously, that's how you speak when you're negotiating.
[00:16:05]  Very sweetheart.
[00:16:06]  Sweetheart.
[00:16:07]  Yeah.
[00:16:07]  Iran's Supreme Leader defied Thursday to protect Islamic Republic's nuclear and missile capabilities with U.S. Donald Trump has sought to curtail.
[00:16:15]  In a statement read by state television anchor, Ayatollah Mojave Khamenei said the only place Americans belonged in the Persian Gulf is at the bottom of the water.
[00:16:21]  And a new chapter.
[00:16:23]  Was being written in the region's history.
[00:16:25]  His remarks come as Iran's economy is reeling and its oil industry is being squeezed by the U.S. Navy blockade, halting its tankers from getting out to sea.
[00:16:33]  The world economy is under pressure that Iran maintains as chokehold on the Strait of Hormuz, through which a fifth of all crude oil is transported.
[00:16:42]  On Thursday, the global benchmark for crude, for oil-brent crude, hits as high as 126.
[00:16:49]  So 90 million proud and honorable Iranians inside and outside the country regard all of Iran's identity-based spiritual, human, Scientific, industrial, and technological capabilities from nanotechnology to biotechnology to nuclear and missile capabilities as national.
[00:17:03]  Said Khamenei, by the way.
[00:17:04]  So he's selling Iran, and they want to make sure this is not going to be going away.
[00:17:07]  So, do we yet know, Rob, what those seven or eight are that America turned down?
[00:17:12]  I don't believe they have been publicized yet.
[00:17:13]  Okay, so we don't know that.
[00:17:14]  But this is happening while they send the 14.
[00:17:18]  Trump at first says he doesn't know.
[00:17:20]  Then he said, We looked at it, we don't like some of the demands on what's going on.
[00:17:23]  And so we'll see.
[00:17:24]  Most reported 14 components.
[00:17:26]  Binding non aggression guarantees from U.S., full end to hostilities across all fronts, including Israel and Lebanon, withdrawal of U.S. forces from around the Iran region, end of U.S. naval blockade of Iran, reopening of the Strait of Hormuz under a new joint system, full lifting of U.S. sanctions, release of frozen Iranian assets that's $30 billion, compensation and reparation for war damage, resolution of all regional conflicts tied to the war, recognition of Iran's regional security role,
[00:17:53]  end to sovereign interference in Iran's international affairs, delayed nuclear negotiations until after the war ends.
[00:18:00]  Absolutely.
[00:18:01]  Just a brilliant way of possible temporary freeze or limits on enrichment later.
[00:18:05]  No upfront nuclear concessions in the initial deal phase.
[00:18:09]  Adam.
[00:18:11]  Well, Iran is not to be trusted whatsoever.
[00:18:13]  You know, Jake Sullivan, who used to be the advisor for Biden, national security advisor, he said, listen, when it comes to Iran, remember this one thing.
[00:18:21]  You know, there's a famous phrase, you know, trust but verify.
[00:18:24]  He said, just remember this don't trust them and verify everything.
[00:18:28]  By the way, speaking of trust, tell me who you think said this quote.
[00:18:32]  No unilateral Iranian arrangements can be trusted or relied upon following its treacherous aggression against all its neighbors.
[00:18:40]  Hillary?
[00:18:41]  You think Hillary said that?
[00:18:42]  Who do you think said that?
[00:18:43]  Barack Obama?
[00:18:44]  I'm going to go with BHO.
[00:18:45]  How about the King of the United Arab Emirates, Mohammed bin Zayed, the MBZ, you know, not MBS from.
[00:18:54]  You're down with MBZ?
[00:18:55]  You're down with MBZ?
[00:18:56]  Yeah, you know me.
[00:18:56]  He said, do not trust these people.
[00:18:58]  Going on, he said, in the ongoing discussions surrounding the Treaty of Hormuz, the collective international will.
[00:19:03]  And provisions of international law emerge as the primary guarantor of freedom of navigation through the vital passage, ultimately saying that we're drawing from OPEC and that we're drawing closer ties to Israel.
[00:19:14]  Israel has now sent UAE, who they signed the Abraham Accords with, the first of its kind ever to send and deploy the Iron Dome system to UAE.
[00:19:25]  So I'll ask you this Who do you think knows Iran better than anybody?
[00:19:29]  Its neighbors.
[00:19:30]  UAE has been attacked more than any other country.
[00:19:33]  So they're basically saying we're aligning with the U.S. We're done with the cartel known as OPEC.
[00:19:38]  We're aligning with Israel and the Abraham Accords for economic and stability through strength.
[00:19:43]  And bottom line Iran is not to be trusted.
[00:19:47]  Now, UAE, I got to give respect to these people out there.
[00:19:49]  They're calling themselves a Switzerland of the Middle East, and their stock is being lowered because of its smelly kid on the playground known as Iran.
[00:19:57]  And just from those 14 points, I don't see anything there that the president would go, Yeah, okay, we're good.
[00:20:04]  So you know what that says?
[00:20:06]  They're not trying to make this thing stop.
[00:20:08]  They're not, because did you read every single one of them?
[00:20:10]  Every single one of them, just for a second, I went, Okay, is that something that a business guy like Trump would say?
[00:20:14]  Yeah, yeah, we're good.
[00:20:16]  Remove this, do that.
[00:20:17]  It's all positive stuff for them, and we'd be completely kicked out.
[00:20:20]  So it doesn't look like that.
[00:20:21]  That's not a realistic plan.
[00:20:23]  Let me add one thing, and Pat, I want to get your perspective here because you lived there for 10 years.
[00:20:28]  You know why I respect Iran?
[00:20:30]  Because I know exactly what they stand for.
[00:20:32]  You know, we're talking about the ships, the naval passages, the Strait of Hormuz.
[00:20:36]  You know, I'm like the Titanic.
[00:20:37]  You know, the thing is, I'm going down with the ship.
[00:20:40]  The Ayatollahs and the ROGC, you know what I know about them?
[00:20:43]  They're willing to go down with this ship.
[00:20:45]  This is an existential threat.
[00:20:47]  We want to get in and get out.
[00:20:49]  They will kill everybody, including their own citizens.
[00:20:53]  In order to survive, how do you negotiate with someone like that that's willing to kill their own people?
[00:20:58]  That's the hard part here.
[00:20:59]  You're the only way you would do it, like this is the only way I would think this is possible, is to make sure Putin and China are on your side telling them get your act together.
[00:21:12]  And that's not happening.
[00:21:14]  And so the fact that the who's the second most powerful man in the world?
[00:21:18]  Probably Xi.
[00:21:20]  You would put Xi ahead of Putin that's got 10,000 nuclear.
[00:21:23]  Okay, who's the third?
[00:21:24]  Who do you put?
[00:21:26]  Trump is number one.
[00:21:27]  I think she is number two.
[00:21:29]  I think I put Pooh in two.
[00:21:30]  Actually, hold on.
[00:21:31]  Bibi Netanyahu is number one because obviously he controls Trump.
[00:21:34]  Oh, yeah.
[00:21:34]  Possibly she also.
[00:21:35]  Okay, so on that case, Bibi, obviously.
[00:21:38]  But on a serious note, I think she is number two.
[00:21:40]  No, no.
[00:21:41]  Putin might be number three.
[00:21:42]  It would be very close to that.
[00:21:43]  Let me ask Tom, give me the top three most powerful people in the world.
[00:21:46]  Right now, it's, I think, right now, one of the most powerful people in the world.
[00:21:52]  I think, first of all, Trump is, I think, the most powerful guy in the world.
[00:21:55]  Just give me your theory.
[00:21:56]  And then number two, I think because of negative influence right now, You know, is G.
[00:22:03]  And even greater negative influence is, I think, right now, whoever's leading Iran right now is number three because you're through negative influence, you're creating havoc.
[00:22:12]  Where do you put Putin?
[00:22:14]  Putin?
[00:22:15]  You know, right now, Putin's probably to me like number four, but I put Iran ahead of Putin simply because.
[00:22:22]  Yeah.
[00:22:23]  Tom, you're 77.
[00:22:24]  I'm like, just give me an answer.
[00:22:27]  Who do you think it is?
[00:22:28]  You don't think it's good?
[00:22:29]  I don't care where you put Putin.
[00:22:31]  Let's say Putin's the top five, okay?
[00:22:33]  In this situation that we're dealing with, what do you call it?
[00:22:37]  That we're dealing with Iran, okay?
[00:22:39]  If Putin or Xi, who have influence over Iran, don't tell Iran, hey, let's wrap it up, guess what's going to happen?
[00:22:48]  It's going to continue.
[00:22:50]  So if Putin met with Abbas Arghachi and they're sitting there together going through it, there's no way.
[00:22:57]  So this is kind of like, hey, don't worry about it.
[00:22:59]  I got your back.
[00:23:00]  So you give the guy, in Farsi, there's a word called Poru.
[00:23:03]  Poru.
[00:23:04]  Poru.
[00:23:05]  How do you, by the way, for the Iranian people watching this, can you in the chat explain what the definition of poru is?
[00:23:11]  Okay.
[00:23:12]  The Iranian poru means what?
[00:23:14]  Not peru.
[00:23:15]  Poru.
[00:23:16]  Poru.
[00:23:16]  P O R U. Poru.
[00:23:19]  Like that.
[00:23:20]  Farsi meaning of poru.
[00:23:21]  Shameless, cheeky, brazen.
[00:23:25]  You know, it describes someone who is audacious or acts with excessive boldness, often crossing social boundaries.
[00:23:30]  It is commonly used to describe pushy behavior, though it can sometimes be used playfully among friends.
[00:23:37]  So, Iran's the IRGC today is Poru because of China and Russia, period.
[00:23:44]  They're acting the way that they are because of them.
[00:23:46]  So, if you really want to negotiate with somebody like that and you want to kind of get things done, your first thing is Russia and China.
[00:23:53]  So, I would be talking and saying, Hey, Putin, I need your back in this situation with Iran.
[00:23:59]  China, I need your back in this situation with Iran.

=== Negotiating With The Supreme Leader (15:30) ===

[00:24:02]  What are you going to be doing?
[00:24:03]  Well, Xi just came out recently and was like, No, we're not with this on what you guys are doing.
[00:24:07]  And Putin came out and said, No, I'm meeting with the guy and I'm showing him we are a very strong ally.
[00:24:13]  So, I think Trump has to get very, very creative to get these guys to want to negotiate because for as long as Iran knows that China and Russia have their backs, they're going to be poru.
[00:24:25]  Simple.
[00:24:26]  And that's not going to be going away anytime soon, the way it's looking like.
[00:24:29]  So, why do you say it's not going to be going away?
[00:24:31]  Rocket fuel.
[00:24:32]  China's sending them rocket fuel.
[00:24:34]  No.
[00:24:34]  The story that you keep hearing is that they're hemorrhaging money.
[00:24:39]  I mean, they are a million dollars.
[00:24:41]  How long is that sustainable for?
[00:24:43]  We're talking trillions of dollars.
[00:24:44]  Oh, they don't care.
[00:24:45]  They don't care.
[00:24:45]  But how are they going to fund everything?
[00:24:48]  They'll find a way to get help.
[00:24:49]  They'll sell anything and everything.
[00:24:51]  They're going to sell their blood to the Chinese.
[00:24:53]  They'll sell anything and everything to not have Western ideology be in Iran.
[00:24:58]  Anything and everything.
[00:25:00]  How long is that sustainable if they have no money?
[00:25:02]  I don't know the answer to the question.
[00:25:04]  I can tell you we have a deadline.
[00:25:06]  They don't.
[00:25:06]  What do you think our deadline is?
[00:25:08]  June 14th is our deadline.
[00:25:09]  Why is that specific number?
[00:25:10]  World Cup starts.
[00:25:11]  It's Trump's birthday.
[00:25:12]  June 14th is Trump's birthday.
[00:25:14]  From there on, if you get this thing done pre June 14th, Everybody will forget about Iran come August, September, and we'll be moving on with interest rates going lower, gas prices going lower, economy coming back up.
[00:25:26]  We're going to be looking at the World Cup, 4th of July celebration, 250 years.
[00:25:30]  But the U.S. has a deadline.
[00:25:32]  The U.S.'s deadline is June 14th.
[00:25:34]  That's your opinion.
[00:25:34]  That's my opinion.
[00:25:36]  Trump didn't say that.
[00:25:37]  No, no, no.
[00:25:38]  This is my opinion.
[00:25:39]  PBD, I'm saying it.
[00:25:40]  I'm giving up.
[00:25:40]  What do you think will happen realistically that Trump's decision makes?
[00:25:44]  Iran knows the deadline.
[00:25:45]  Iran knows the deadline.
[00:25:47]  They're basically saying we've got six weeks.
[00:25:49]  Oh, they're like, guys, it's okay.
[00:25:52]  Double down.
[00:25:53]  The Supreme Leader just said what?
[00:25:55]  What was his line, Rob?
[00:25:56]  Can you pull up the line of what the Supreme Leader said?
[00:25:58]  Who the hell is the Supreme Leader?
[00:26:00]  The son.
[00:26:01]  Is he even alive?
[00:26:02]  Yeah, he's injured.
[00:26:03]  The Supreme Leader says, he says in a statement, the only place Americans belong, Americans, not America.
[00:26:13]  Americans is like everybody.
[00:26:16]  It's like the way Randy finds it, Armenians, right?
[00:26:19]  And then he had to come back and change his position.
[00:26:21]  It's Americans.
[00:26:22]  The only place Americans belong is in the Persian Gulf.
[00:26:26]  At the bottom of its waters, that a new chapter.
[00:26:29]  So, do you, how do you think, if he writes like this publicly, how do you think he is going to.
[00:26:34]  Oh my God, the people that shout death to America nonstop want to see America at the bottom of its waters.
[00:26:38]  I see no way.
[00:26:39]  To me, if he says America, if he says Trump, if he says the current leader, the current regime, that's different than you saying Americans.
[00:26:49]  Americans.
[00:26:53]  That means it's everybody.
[00:26:54]  So, for me, you're dealing with somebody whom you just killed his wife.
[00:26:59]  I think you killed his mom.
[00:27:00]  I think you definitely killed his father, and you want him to be nice and friendly right now?
[00:27:05]  No.
[00:27:06]  Look, I was on Pierce three days before they killed Khamenei, and I'm like, what's the point of killing an 86 year old man?
[00:27:14]  Okay.
[00:27:15]  There's not a point.
[00:27:15]  Symbolism.
[00:27:16]  Symbolism, I totally get.
[00:27:17]  But if you, by the way, here's the thing though if we're in a gang, we're in a crew, you go and kill 50 of the leaders in that gang, there is no negotiation.
[00:27:27]  It's over.
[00:27:28]  No, no, it's not.
[00:27:29]  I'm not saying it's over.
[00:27:29]  It's like, hey, If your position is we're going to go kill 50 of your top guys in your gang, guess what the position has to be?
[00:27:37]  We got to take them out.
[00:27:38]  You got to take all of them out.
[00:27:39]  Yeah.
[00:27:40]  So, it's not like there is anything that is, you know, just, hey, let's come back and let's talk to the guy who we killed his mom, wife, and his father.
[00:27:51]  Hey, how are you doing?
[00:27:53]  How are you doing, man?
[00:27:54]  How's family?
[00:27:55]  How's family?
[00:27:56]  They're probably in heaven.
[00:27:57]  Oh, good.
[00:27:58]  How's family?
[00:27:58]  Everybody good?
[00:27:59]  Well, I'm sure you.
[00:28:00]  Doesn't that give us.
[00:28:01]  This is not the end of WWE where you hug each other and say, hey, how are you doing?
[00:28:04]  Doesn't that give us leverage and say, listen, we just took out all your guys.
[00:28:07]  Who's next?
[00:28:08]  You don't understand.
[00:28:09]  Like, look, if you were in gangs.
[00:28:12]  If you were in gangs, like.
[00:28:14]  Like Tom was in the crypts, the floods.
[00:28:16]  It's a different way negotiating with the Italian mafia because the Italian mafia was notoriously known for killing each other.
[00:28:24]  Every once in a while, when you went out and you killed other people that were not within, you got in trouble.
[00:28:29]  But the Russian mob doesn't live by your rules.
[00:28:32]  And neither did MS-13, and neither did the Latin kings, you know, the way they rolled.
[00:28:37]  Just because your mafia runs that way doesn't mean mine has to run that way.
[00:28:41]  I'm not in a Jewish mafia.
[00:28:42]  Yeah, I know.
[00:28:42]  But what I'm saying is.
[00:28:44]  What I'm saying is the fact that we have to understand you're negotiating with a very different group of people.
[00:28:48]  And so we'll see what happened here.
[00:28:49]  But let me get into the next thing here.
[00:28:51]  So Tucker does an interview with the New York Times.
[00:28:54]  And I ended up watching the whole interview.
[00:28:56]  I actually thought it was a very good interview.
[00:28:58]  And it was very revealing.
[00:28:59]  But one of the clips that went viral was which clip is this, Rob?
[00:29:03]  This is the Antichrist comment.
[00:29:05]  Okay, go for it.
[00:29:06]  So, play.
[00:29:06]  So, this is by the way, I had no idea who the interviewer was.
[00:29:10]  I thought she did a great job in the interview.
[00:29:14]  And I thought Tucker was actually revealing with some of the answers that he gave.
[00:29:18]  This was one of the moments that they had.
[00:29:19]  Go ahead and play the clip here, Rob.
[00:29:21]  You've been talking on your show about whether Trump is the Antichrist.
[00:29:24]  I have not said that.
[00:29:25]  On your show, the day after Easter, you noted he did not put his hand on the Bible during his swearing in ceremony as president.
[00:29:32]  You said, and I'm quoting, maybe he didn't put his hand on the Bible because he affirmatively rejects what's inside that book.
[00:29:38]  And then on a recent show, you went further saying, here's a leader who's mocking the gods of his ancestors, mocking the God of gods, and exalting himself above them.
[00:29:46]  Could this be the Antichrist?
[00:29:48]  I actually did not say, could this be the Antichrist?
[00:29:51]  Here's a leader who's mocking the gods of his ancestors, mocking the God of gods, and exalting himself above them.
[00:30:00]  Could this be the Antichrist?
[00:30:02]  Well, who knows?
[00:30:05]  I don't know where that comes from, but I know that those words never left my lips because I'm not sure I fully understand what the Antichrist is.
[00:30:12]  If there's just one, I actually tried to understand it.
[00:30:16]  I may have said some are asking that.
[00:30:18]  I'm not.
[00:30:19]  Weighing in on that because I don't understand it.
[00:30:21]  Vinny.
[00:30:22]  Listen, with all due respect, I'm not buying it.
[00:30:24]  That's not some random throwaway line that you get twisted.
[00:30:28]  When you call somebody the Antichrist, if I called, I know me, if I called somebody the Antichrist, that gets put in a certain shelf in my head where I go, that's a really, really bold claim.
[00:30:38]  Honestly, he said he could be the Antichrist.
[00:30:40]  He looked right in the camera and he said it, and that's deliberate.
[00:30:43]  Okay, that's not a clip job.
[00:30:45]  You said it.
[00:30:46]  You knew exactly what you were going for and you know exactly what you were trying to do.
[00:30:49]  And like, my question is this.
[00:30:51]  If you don't remember, was it written?
[00:30:53]  I know we talked about a little bit earlier, Pat, where you don't think so, but if that's the job, are you just reading off the teleprompter that's in front of the thing?
[00:30:59]  You have to know that you're saying stuff like that.
[00:31:01]  And by the way, this came from a longer podcast from Donald Trump, the president, tweeting the picture of him as Jesus around Easter time, I believe it was, Rob, where he's holding the soldier and doing all that.
[00:31:13]  And then Trump comes out after and says, No, I was portraying myself to be a doctor, which Tucker came out and said, Oh, you're lying and not being honest.
[00:31:22]  And then Tucker goes and does the same exact thing that the president was doing.
[00:31:26]  So that's the problem.
[00:31:27]  And now it's out of context.
[00:31:29]  Now it's, I never said that.
[00:31:31]  So you either mean it and now you're walking it back, or you threw it out there for clicks and now you don't want to deal with the blowback.
[00:31:36]  So either way, don't insult people's intelligence.
[00:31:38]  You can't have it both ways.
[00:31:40]  I wish, and this is one of the hardest things, but I'm there at this point in my life.
[00:31:46]  Just admit it.
[00:31:47]  Yes, I said it, and this is what I meant.
[00:31:49]  Just man up instead of going, I didn't, I don't know.
[00:31:52]  Oh, it's out of context.
[00:31:53]  Oh, I don't know.
[00:31:54]  There are many antichrists.
[00:31:55]  Okay, just say it.
[00:31:57]  Say it and man up.
[00:31:58]  I wish he took that route instead of kind of floating around like he did.
[00:32:02]  Adam.
[00:32:04]  Tucker Carlson is a jackass.
[00:32:06]  Now, I don't mean it like in the literal sense, I mean it.
[00:32:09]  We're at a time in our lives where people will do anything for attention.
[00:32:16]  So, the reason I use the word jackass, remember the show Jackass with Johnny Knoxville and these guys?
[00:32:20]  These guys would do anything and everything to get views, clicks, and likes.
[00:32:24]  So, you think he's saying this just for views?
[00:32:26]  I'm just saying that that's what people are doing these days.
[00:32:28]  No, no.
[00:32:28]  But you're saying that he's just saying this, not because he believes it, but because it gets eyeballed.
[00:32:33]  I'm saying that he's only focused on attention.
[00:32:35]  I'll give you a couple examples.
[00:32:37]  When's the last time that you watch an entire show about Tucker where he didn't mention Israel?
[00:32:43]  It just doesn't happen.
[00:32:45]  Victor David Hansen went and basically did a complete breakdown on Tucker, and he said that 80% of his content he talks about Israel in his shows.
[00:32:53]  I mean, we talk about Israel, we talk about geopolitics.
[00:32:55]  What percentage do you think we talk about Israel?
[00:32:58]  Even Trump, 10%, 20%?
[00:33:01]  It's all he talks about.
[00:33:02]  So no Jews, no news.
[00:33:03]  But forget about that.
[00:33:05]  He's only doing it for the clicks and the likes and the views.
[00:33:08]  If this were a court of law and he went and took the oath, And said, okay.
[00:33:13]  And he goes, yeah, I never said that.
[00:33:14]  And they're like, roll the tape.
[00:33:16]  And it's like, you literally said that right there and there.
[00:33:19]  He'd be found guilty.
[00:33:21]  So don't pull the shaggy defense.
[00:33:23]  It wasn't me.
[00:33:24]  I found him in the bathroom.
[00:33:25]  It wasn't me.
[00:33:26]  It was you.
[00:33:27]  The thing that Tucker may not actually recall is that the internet is forever.
[00:33:31]  You say something, roll the clip, guilty, jail, straight to jail.
[00:33:37]  So I think the challenge that people have to have, and this is my bottom point, bottom line with Tucker, what was.
[00:33:43]  Is not what is.
[00:33:45]  What was with Tucker, respected journalist, conservative, is clearly no longer what is.
[00:33:51]  Rob, do you have that stat that I sent you?
[00:33:54]  A year ago, Tucker in the conservative media was universally respected.
[00:34:01]  This is March of 2024, actually.
[00:34:03]  Two years ago, among the GOP, plus 54.
[00:34:08]  Universal liked figure.
[00:34:09]  Now, barely above water, plus seven.
[00:34:14]  That Tucker is not either shooting himself in the foot or playing a different game or trying to do this horseshoe theory thing where he thinks he's gonna go to a safe space like the New York Times and they're gonna be nice to him.
[00:34:24]  Boom, exposed.
[00:34:26]  Guilty of lying straight to jail.
[00:34:28]  Do you think he knew, like when he played, I didn't say that.
[00:34:31]  Do you actually think he knew?
[00:34:33]  Like, did he remember?
[00:34:33]  Because it was less than a month ago.
[00:34:34]  Does he have a working brain?
[00:34:36]  Answer that.
[00:34:37]  Okay, yeah.
[00:34:38]  If you said Trump is the Antichrist one month ago, would you, Vinny O'Shaughnessy, remember that?
[00:34:44]  Would you say, I don't even know.
[00:34:45]  No, no, no.
[00:34:46]  I would say yes.
[00:34:47]  What are you doing?
[00:34:47]  I would say yes, and here's why I think.
[00:34:49]  But that's why.
[00:34:50]  Deny, deny, deny when it's on tape.
[00:34:53]  It's like, come on, dude.
[00:34:53]  Tom, you're good.
[00:34:54]  Don't believe my lying eyes.
[00:34:55]  What are we doing?
[00:34:56]  Well, I respect the fact that he sat down with someone to have an interview, but we all know nowadays everybody kind of handpicks things, especially when the times get hot, people handpick who they're going to sit down with.
[00:35:08]  And could Tucker not know that these kind of comments are going to come from the New York Times, of all people?
[00:35:14]  He can't not know.
[00:35:16]  But what's interesting is.
[00:35:17]  He puts the denial out there, but then what he said was he kind of couched it.
[00:35:23]  Could this be the Antichrist?
[00:35:25]  That's called floating.
[00:35:27]  And then he said, and what did he say at the end of that?
[00:35:29]  Who knows?
[00:35:30]  Is that what he said, Vinny?
[00:35:31]  Yeah, I know.
[00:35:31]  So it's not like he came down, doggone it, this guy's the Antichrist.
[00:35:35]  That's different from, could this be the Antichrist?
[00:35:38]  Who knows?
[00:35:39]  What he's doing is it kind of gets couched and people get thinking about it.
[00:35:43]  So I. Tom, you don't think he remembers saying that?
[00:35:45]  That's my question.
[00:35:46]  I think.
[00:35:47]  Do I think he remembered saying it?
[00:35:49]  How can he not remember?
[00:35:50]  Okay, so that's the point here.
[00:35:51]  Well, it's not like he's called.
[00:35:52]  It's not like he called us.
[00:35:54]  It was a couching, not really a definitive.
[00:35:56]  No, but whether you couch it or not.
[00:35:58]  Let me tell you what the difference is.
[00:36:00]  Here's the difference.
[00:36:02]  You know, when your default.
[00:36:05]  In life, is when you get pushed in the corner, you go to just a comedian.
[00:36:11]  Yeah.
[00:36:11]  Right?
[00:36:12]  You know, when the default, if you're a person that is acting dumb, like you know, when you're like a player and the girl says, Hey, what is that?
[00:36:20]  What are you talking about?
[00:36:21]  Your automatic default is what?
[00:36:23]  I don't know what you're talking about.
[00:36:24]  I don't know what you're talking about.
[00:36:25]  Like, you know what I'm saying?
[00:36:26]  Like, I have no idea what you're talking about, right?
[00:36:28]  So, if that's your default, the default just showed up because you're one of the smartest.
[00:36:34]  By the way, if your brain can.
[00:36:36]  Retain that much information and knowledge, which he can.
[00:36:40]  And then now you're saying you don't remember you saying that, you do.
[00:36:43]  So for me, it's more or less about say what you believe in and let the market decide.
[00:36:48]  It's okay.
[00:36:49]  At least Trump would say what he believed in.
[00:36:52]  Don't beat around the bush.
[00:36:53]  I respect the fact that he is now finally actually calling out the president, but don't then go to the New York Times and say, I never said it.
[00:37:05]  You did say it.
[00:37:05]  So double down.
[00:37:07]  And explain your position and let the market tear you apart.
[00:37:09]  Like when I make a position, I give the video and I go in the comment section.
[00:37:13]  Okay, I got torn apart on this one here, but that's my position.
[00:37:16]  That's where I'm at.
[00:37:17]  This is what I believe in, right?
[00:37:18]  And so, you know, when the president says, Yeah, I think we should just take over Greenland, the market says, You're this.
[00:37:24]  He's a dictator.
[00:37:25]  You think you're a king.
[00:37:26]  Okay, let me see what the market is saying.
[00:37:28]  And the people that I respect said, What?
[00:37:30]  He said that.
[00:37:30]  Can you pull up all the figures?
[00:37:32]  You don't think the president has a top 50 names of people that he has a department tracking exactly what they say and he gets a score?
[00:37:39]  Look, Tom, imagine if we're in the White House, what would I be doing?
[00:37:41]  I would say, Tom, these hundred people that we have, we would score every one of the influencers on level of credibility and how fair they are.
[00:37:49]  And we would score them on reason, followership, influence, gamification, manipulation, all of that stuff.
[00:37:55]  But we would score the high reason people.
[00:37:57]  We'd have a total formula.
[00:37:59]  And I would say, Tom, the message I just gave right now when I push back on XYZ, what's our score?
[00:38:04]  And you'd come with the business analyst team.
[00:38:06]  He would say, Pat, that score was low for us.
[00:38:08]  Oh, really?
[00:38:09]  What did they say?
[00:38:10]  They didn't like the, well, I can't change that.
[00:38:11]  That's really what I believe.
[00:38:12]  They're the top 18.
[00:38:12]  Exactly.
[00:38:13]  Came out.
[00:38:13]  Well, you would watch it.
[00:38:14]  So to me, you know, to me, it all comes down to one thing, and that's motive.
[00:38:20]  You know, it's all motive.
[00:38:21]  What is his motive?
[00:38:22]  Because in the interview, the lady asked questions about Fuentes.
[00:38:26]  He didn't want to really get into it.
[00:38:28]  And then at the end, I think he said, I regret interviewing Fuentes.
[00:38:31]  Okay.
[00:38:32]  I regret.
[00:38:32]  And I don't think he has that much influence.
[00:38:35]  The people we have to worry about, he said, is who?
[00:38:37]  Cruz and Huckabee is who we have to worry about.
[00:38:39]  Christian Zionists.
[00:38:40]  Christian Zionists, which, by the way, I don't have a problem with because that's his position.
[00:38:45]  If he repeatedly says that, then that's your position.
[00:38:47]  I want to know what your position is.
[00:38:49]  And then a question was asked about JD Vance.
[00:38:51]  And that was probably the most sensitive one.
[00:38:53]  Rob, is this the one about JD Vance?
[00:38:55]  Is this where he talks about the treachery that JD Vance has been under?
[00:38:58]  Yes.
[00:38:58]  And then Rubio and all of that.
[00:39:00]  Go ahead and play this clip.
[00:39:00]  Go for it.
[00:39:01]  JD has been subject to this is well known, but I'll just confirm it nonstop treachery from people on the neoconservative side.
[00:39:12]  Who are these people?
[00:39:12]  Around Marco Rubio.
[00:39:14]  And they have been totally against JD Vance from the very beginning.
[00:39:18]  Who do you mean specifically?
[00:39:20]  You know, I don't know, is the real answer.
[00:39:22]  I don't know.
[00:39:23]  You're accusing people of treachery, so I'm wondering.
[00:39:25]  Well, I know there's been a lot of treachery for sure, and I know they've been, they were so mad about JD getting that job.
[00:39:30]  I mean, they, who's they?
[00:39:32]  Within the White House?

=== Charlie Kirk Endorsements (07:36) ===

[00:39:33]  She's doing so good.
[00:39:33]  She's good.
[00:39:34]  I don't know the answer to that.
[00:39:36]  I've never worked there.
[00:39:37]  So, if you don't work there, you can say what you think you know, but it's hard to really know.
[00:39:42]  This is me looking skeptical.
[00:39:44]  Yeah, well, no, I'm just being honest.
[00:39:45]  Like, I don't really know.
[00:39:46]  What is her name?
[00:39:48]  Yeah.
[00:39:49]  So, again, going back to this, and this, by the way, this goes.
[00:39:54]  This was a five to 10 minute segment about JD Vance.
[00:39:57]  I think it's worth watching.
[00:39:59]  And it goes into do you speak to him?
[00:40:02]  When's the last time you speak to him?
[00:40:04]  He did say that he spoke to Erica Crook two weeks ago in text, but he didn't want to say that he spoke to JD Vance and how often.
[00:40:10]  And he says, You're somewhat for him.
[00:40:11]  He says, Well, you know, what is your son's position?
[00:40:14]  Ask him.
[00:40:14]  I don't know.
[00:40:15]  He has his own career, things that he wants to do.
[00:40:17]  And so when it came down to this topic, it was probably the most sensitive topic, even more than the Antichrist comment about Trump.
[00:40:27]  Nick Fonten wasn't that sensitive.
[00:40:28]  He just said, I wish I never interviewed him, even though I think it was probably an interview he should have done.
[00:40:33]  I'm glad they had the conversation because the market needs to know exactly where people stand.
[00:40:38]  The more we talk, the better it is.
[00:40:39]  Yeah, I wish I hadn't done the interview.
[00:40:41]  What I really wanted to talk about was where we're headed in this war with Iran.
[00:40:46]  Okay.
[00:40:47]  And so the JD topic is going to be tough.
[00:40:52]  And she said, Do you think that's why it's complicated?
[00:40:56]  Because when JD went to negotiate on behalf of the U.S. with Iran, that's going to, what was the word she used, Rob?
[00:41:04]  You haven't seen the thing.
[00:41:05]  She said, You think that's going to bolt a word about the fact that he's destroyed forever if he runs again?
[00:41:10]  I don't know what a word it was.
[00:41:11]  If you ask it, On Chad GBT.
[00:41:14]  She used the word, I don't know if he's destroyed forever, but it's going to hurt him, something like that.
[00:41:19]  And so, very revealing on what was said there in a big way, very revealing on JD.
[00:41:25]  You can tell.
[00:41:26]  And then they talk about a third party.
[00:41:29]  And, you know, what would the party be?
[00:41:30]  I don't even know what the left or the right or Democrat or Republican looks like right now.
[00:41:33]  I don't even know what that is.
[00:41:34]  You know, I think it's, you know, so, you know, but you could tell he's not a Rubio guy.
[00:41:43]  So, a part of this why the market is very, very important to be looking at right now, Vinny, is.
[00:41:48]  Seeing what's going on going into 2028, who's going to be TPUSA's candidate?
[00:41:55]  Is that going to have as much weight as it did in 2024?
[00:41:59]  Like, Charlie's endorsement of saying, I support this versus a TPUSA's endorsement.
[00:42:06]  Those are two different things.
[00:42:08]  Do you get what I'm saying, Tom?
[00:42:09]  So imagine it's like Charlie Kirk endorses, you know, Trump.
[00:42:15]  Charlie Kirk endorses Marco Rubio.
[00:42:18]  Charlie Kirk endorses JD Vance versus TPUSA.
[00:42:22]  Endorses JD Vance or Rubio.
[00:42:24]  I got a call this weekend, just so you guys know.
[00:42:26]  Open, I had a conversation with one of the members of TPUSA's board.
[00:42:30]  We had a long conversation this weekend because of my comments that I made, and I gave my position to them on the call.
[00:42:38]  It was between us and them, a private conversation.
[00:42:41]  And my criticism didn't necessarily change on realizing what's going on because the question becomes, Remember when Charlie told BB, I think you're losing the PR campaign?
[00:42:57]  Do you remember that?
[00:42:57]  It was in a letter.
[00:42:58]  It was in a letter, right?
[00:43:00]  I think up until this point, TPUSA is losing the PR campaign.
[00:43:04]  I think TPUSA is losing the PR campaign.
[00:43:06]  And you have to either adjust the strategy, you have to do something differently.
[00:43:11]  But all of this going into 2028, you know, it's an interesting thing.
[00:43:16]  It's an interesting thing with Tucker.
[00:43:18]  And by the way, you know what else could happen?
[00:43:22]  If, say, there is a slight riff, by the way, and when he asked about Don Jr., he says, Look, Don and I, we don't talk politics.
[00:43:29]  We just share common views when it comes down to hunting.
[00:43:32]  It was a great moment.
[00:43:33]  It's like, hey, because you know why I like moments like that?
[00:43:37]  I criticized Tucker in a video a couple of weeks ago.
[00:43:38]  My position hasn't changed either because we've been around the block long enough.
[00:43:42]  We know how it is when things get nasty.
[00:43:44]  I know in politics, you know, when wars happen in politics, it's very nasty.
[00:43:49]  You know why?
[00:43:49]  Because somebody will sit around and call everybody to bash you and use propaganda to undermine you.
[00:43:56]  And that is the game here that happens in every industry, except in politics, it's more what do you call it?
[00:44:03]  Heavier and stronger than anything else.
[00:44:06]  The only difference is, which puts us in a very unique spot, is we don't need anybody's money.
[00:44:12]  We don't.
[00:44:14]  We don't need anybody's money.
[00:44:15]  What do you mean?
[00:44:15]  VT doesn't need anybody's money.
[00:44:17]  Thank you for that.
[00:44:18]  We don't need anybody's money.
[00:44:20]  We sponsorship.
[00:44:21]  How many sponsorships?
[00:44:23]  All he wants to do is sell his shoes.
[00:44:24]  Yeah, you want me to sell my own shoes and make sure I'm beholden to my shoe boss?
[00:44:29]  Hey, you get it.
[00:44:31]  Your shoes.
[00:44:32]  Because his shoes are from this.
[00:44:34]  Oh my God, all he does is my neck.
[00:44:36]  What do you want me to promote?
[00:44:37]  So I'm beholden to my risking.
[00:44:39]  We're risking our own money, right?
[00:44:40]  So that's the part where long term there's going to be some interesting moves taking place.
[00:44:44]  And by the way, for those of you guys that are doing the survey, I'm looking at the number right now, which I freaking love.
[00:44:52]  317 of you have already done the survey in the first 30, 40 minutes of us announcing this.
[00:44:56]  Those of you guys that go a little bit more thorough in the questions that we ask, that unpack, explain, we may call you because we want to talk to you and go a little bit deeper into it.
[00:45:05]  Again, anybody that goes and does the survey, $25 gift card goes to.
[00:45:10]  VTMerch.com to go purchase whatever you want and you'll be able to use $25 towards it.
[00:45:14]  So, going back to this conversation, I think this is all great going into 2028.
[00:45:20]  I think you have to pay very close attention to what alliances are being created.
[00:45:24]  I like the fact that this interview was done.
[00:45:26]  I'm glad he agreed to do this interview because it kind of was like an opening on who's supporting who, who's going to be working with who.
[00:45:37]  And by the way, what's the month right now?
[00:45:39]  What are we, May 4th?
[00:45:41]  May 4th, which, you know, we celebrated Vinny's birthday.
[00:45:45]  Uh, Mario's birthday and Danny's birthday, and a bunch of other people today's my grandma's birthday.
[00:45:49]  I know everybody's really 90s, your grandma's birthday, so happy birthday to you, grandma.
[00:45:53]  But this is all going because 2027-2028 election is going to come like this.
[00:45:57]  I just want to ask you a question.
[00:45:59]  You something you said talked about credibility, and obviously, this is Tucker's credibility score on screen right now.
[00:46:05]  I think there's a credibility problem, but I want to ask you something.
[00:46:08]  You said something about if you're going to say something, own it.
[00:46:12]  So, you just said you had a call with the TPUSA people, turning point.
[00:46:15]  Yes, you made some comments about Erica being CEO, you just said.
[00:46:19]  Yeah, that's what I said.
[00:46:21]  You know, you were asked, I think, with John Keriakou or whatever about Reza Pallavi.
[00:46:24]  You're like, yeah, I said that.
[00:46:26]  Straight up.
[00:46:27]  Yeah, Ron DeSantis.
[00:46:28]  Yeah, I said that.
[00:46:31]  Do you ever recall something that you said?
[00:46:34]  You're like, no, I never said that.
[00:46:36]  Like, why would someone do that?
[00:46:38]  You never said that.
[00:46:39]  By the way, if you forget, great, hold me accountable.
[00:46:42]  I said, okay, great.
[00:46:43]  Yeah, I said that.
[00:46:44]  I don't recall that, but I don't want to play the game of because I'm so, what do you call it, righteous and I don't make mistakes like that.
[00:46:50]  That's not what I'm saying.
[00:46:51]  You're owning what you said.
[00:46:52]  I know, I know.
[00:46:52]  But what I am saying is, I have had my opinions change on issues where I'm like, ooh, that's interesting what they're saying there.
[00:47:00]  You know what?
[00:47:00]  That's a good point.
[00:47:01]  When it comes to crony capitalism, on what happens with these other guys, you're right.
[00:47:04]  Because some of these guys that are making it harder for the smaller guy to compete, I'm not with that.

=== Vivek Ramaswamy Ohio Faith (13:24) ===

[00:47:09]  I don't want the smaller guy.
[00:47:10]  We had a guy that, a person that came here to us last week on Business Wednesday, and he was fully supportive of NATO in a massive way.
[00:47:18]  And I've had a conversation with three different people that I don't agree with everything they say.
[00:47:23]  Susan Coquinda, one of the best conversations, she gave a complete different angle.
[00:47:27]  I never thought about it.
[00:47:28]  I was like, Very interesting.
[00:47:30]  Who has been at this intelligence business longer than anybody else?
[00:47:34]  MI6, the Brits.
[00:47:36]  These guys are the professionals.
[00:47:37]  They trained everybody.
[00:47:38]  They trained Mossad.
[00:47:39]  They trained CIA.
[00:47:40]  They trained, you know, Iran's Savak.
[00:47:42]  Savak was trained by MI6.
[00:47:44]  And now you want, yeah.
[00:47:45]  So she gave that angle.
[00:47:46]  And then we had Robert Pape, which is going to come out.
[00:47:49]  And he says Trump's losing.
[00:47:51]  So that angle.
[00:47:51]  And then we had the Asian guy, the guy, the Jian guy.
[00:47:56]  And then I had who's the governor from Maryland that's running Westmore conversation.
[00:48:01]  Great conversation.
[00:48:02]  That's going to.
[00:48:02]  I think this is good, but you have to realize, like, the market.
[00:48:05]  For instance, Vivek.
[00:48:07]  If you looked at the numbers a year ago, Vivek was supposed to be the governor of Ohio, right?
[00:48:12]  And now people can say a lot of different things.
[00:48:14]  Well, it's the H1B Visa tweet that happened, that was a follow-on.
[00:48:17]  It's why he left Doge.
[00:48:18]  And I think he was going to run for governor no matter what, okay?
[00:48:22]  No, it's the video clip of what he said about Christians and how he defined Christians and Jesus and all that other stuff.
[00:48:28]  And now you look at the numbers from 75% to 60% to 50% to now the Democratic Party more likely to win Ohio.
[00:48:36]  Than the Republican Party.
[00:48:37]  The Republican Party is vague.
[00:48:39]  And look, I'm rooting for vague to win because the last eight presidents, according to what Tom just said right before the podcast, and Rob, if you can validate this, the last eight presidents that became presidents, they won Ohio.
[00:48:53]  Trust me, you want vague to win.
[00:48:55]  But, you know, the question becomes how do you look at that, Rob?
[00:49:00]  Rob, I sent you the link in the chart.
[00:49:02]  You have it.
[00:49:03]  There it is.
[00:49:04]  Except 2020, since 1980, Ohio elects the president.
[00:49:08]  Thompson said that's even more than eight one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, twelve.
[00:49:15]  Out of the last twelve presidential winners, eleven out of twelve, we won Ohio.
[00:49:20]  You lose Ohio, you lose the presidency.
[00:49:23]  Eighty eight percent, we all know.
[00:49:25]  I think there's been a discussion or two about twenty twenty.
[00:49:27]  Yeah, so, so, so exactly that's a good point.
[00:49:29]  So the twenty twenty is the one that could be the wild card.
[00:49:32]  So essentially, some could even say it's twelve out of twelve.
[00:49:35]  So to me, Vivek made this comment that's been circulating recently.
[00:49:38]  Rob, if you want to play this clip.
[00:49:40]  If you want to play this clip, and I have my thoughts on this, here's Vivek explaining Jesus Christ, okay?
[00:49:46]  Who he is.
[00:49:48]  So, I'll be very honest.
[00:49:49]  It's not a hard question.
[00:49:51]  So, in our faith tradition, Jesus Christ is a son of God.
[00:49:55]  I know that is different than saying he's the son of God.
[00:49:58]  But that is my view of Jesus Christ.
[00:50:00]  He's got our family.
[00:50:01]  Do we worship in churches?
[00:50:02]  Yes, we do.
[00:50:03]  Is that compatible with our faith?
[00:50:04]  Yes, it is.
[00:50:05]  One true God in many forms.
[00:50:08]  So, that's different, and I understand that.
[00:50:10]  That is different.
[00:50:10]  The only way to heaven is through Jesus Christ.
[00:50:13]  I think that that is the path, that is a path to heaven, is the way we look at it.
[00:50:16]  But belief in God is what we say.
[00:50:18]  Belief in the one true God.
[00:50:19]  Okay.
[00:50:19]  That's the way I look at it.
[00:50:20]  By the way, this isn't recent.
[00:50:21]  He said this a while ago.
[00:50:23]  Rob, when did he actually say this?
[00:50:25]  This could have even been a year and a half ago.
[00:50:27]  This could have been a year ago, maybe even two years ago.
[00:50:29]  When we had him at our town hall, remember when one of the guys got up and said, What's your position with Jesus?
[00:50:36]  And what's your position with.
[00:50:38]  And he gave that answer very eloquently.
[00:50:41]  And guess what?
[00:50:42]  You know what I liked about Vivek?
[00:50:44]  He gave his answer September 20th.
[00:50:45]  By the way, that was almost three years ago from what he said in Iowa.
[00:50:49]  Okay.
[00:50:50]  So, you know, that's what he believes in.
[00:50:53]  You know, that's what he believes in.
[00:50:54]  He gave that answer where he's at.
[00:50:56]  Now, the question becomes is that going to hurt his chances of winning governor for the state of Ohio?
[00:51:03]  I don't know.
[00:51:04]  I don't know what's going to happen there.
[00:51:06]  I don't know if this is the reason why he's not going to get elected.
[00:51:09]  I will tell you if you have to choose a vivek, smart guy, sharp guy, Who is one of those fighters, tough guys, brilliant guy?
[00:51:22]  I think sometimes his challenge is you know what's Vivek's challenge is sometimes?
[00:51:27]  He is so smart and brilliant that the average person that listens to him, you feel dumb sometimes.
[00:51:35]  You know, when he speaks, you're like, oh my God, this guy wrote a thesis on that issue that happened, right?
[00:51:39]  Where Trump speaks, you know what you feel like when Trump speaks?
[00:51:42]  One of the boys is talking.
[00:51:43]  He's like, hey, it's just one of me.
[00:51:44]  I'm just talking to a regular guy.
[00:51:46]  I'm the blue collar billionaire.
[00:51:47]  That's right.
[00:51:47]  So the blue collar.
[00:51:48]  So, you know, I think it's too late to make these types of adjustments, anyways, but the market is going to react.
[00:51:56]  And where Ohio goes is where presidency goes.
[00:51:59]  So if Republicans are sitting there saying, But let me tell you, Vivek, this.
[00:52:02]  But let me tell you, Vivek, that.
[00:52:03]  But let me tell you, Ohio loses, Newsom's your president.
[00:52:09]  Flat out.
[00:52:09]  Well, wake up, Ohio.
[00:52:10]  Ohio loses, Newsom is your president.
[00:52:13]  And by the way, you may want that.
[00:52:15]  You may want that.
[00:52:16]  You may be saying, that's exactly what I want.
[00:52:18]  I want Republicans to lose and Democrats to win for them to learn how much power we got.
[00:52:22]  Maybe.
[00:52:23]  And maybe that's your position.
[00:52:24]  I can tell you what happens if these guys take over.
[00:52:27]  Have you been seeing what's going on in New York?
[00:52:29]  Have you been watching what's going on in Texas?
[00:52:32]  Texas.
[00:52:32]  I would love to see Vivek.
[00:52:34]  Uh, do a debate against Mom Dhani.
[00:52:36]  I would love that.
[00:52:37]  Well, that's not going to happen, but Tom, your thoughts on this with as a Christian man yourself, here's a guy's given his position.
[00:52:45]  How do you process it?
[00:52:46]  So, um, I'm familiar with faiths and I don't dive into a deep analysis of it.
[00:52:52]  He's Hindu, Hindu believes that there's one big creator God and does not believe that Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life.
[00:53:00]  No one comes to the Father but through me.
[00:53:02]  That's the Christian point of view.
[00:53:04]  So, it doesn't surprise me.
[00:53:05]  So, on one side, I say, hey, he's Hindu.
[00:53:08]  And he's not trying to hedge his bet.
[00:53:10]  You know what I mean, Vinny?
[00:53:12]  If he was trying to say, well, I'm Hindu, but, and he was trying to spin into the Christian, I would say, dude, wait a minute.
[00:53:18]  You're Hindu.
[00:53:18]  You believe in one God.
[00:53:20]  So don't tell me that you're trying to do this.
[00:53:22]  I think he was being straight up about his feelings with that guy, whether it was two years ago or three years ago.
[00:53:29]  Now, the problem is what Pat, you just said, I think is exactly Vivek's problem.
[00:53:34]  When he overanalyzed Americans, well, you know, American kids are playing football and doing this and that while.
[00:53:41]  Other kids, like Indian kids, are studying math or in math clubs.
[00:53:44]  He touched a red line there, and the red line was you kind of went after Americana kind of accidentally by overanalyzing.
[00:53:53]  And so, as a man of faith, I appreciate that he's a man of faith.
[00:53:57]  I don't agree with Hinduism, but I believe he's been presenting it authentically for his point of view, and I don't think he's spinning.
[00:54:06]  So, I wasn't offended by that.
[00:54:08]  Yeah, no, uh, we spent a lot of time with the guy.
[00:54:12]  I, um, You know, we went to every single debate.
[00:54:15]  We watched every one of the debates.
[00:54:18]  You know, he's going to be a very, very good fighter for 99% of the values you agree with.
[00:54:28]  95% of the values you agree with.
[00:54:31]  Does he have to make some adjustments on messaging and all that stuff?
[00:54:33]  Yes.
[00:54:34]  Is he kind of being authentic and straight up by giving you what he believes in?
[00:54:37]  I think so.
[00:54:38]  You want to lose this guy?
[00:54:40]  I don't know.
[00:54:41]  I don't know.
[00:54:43]  I would much rather have him as one of the guys.
[00:54:46]  He would not even be a team of rival.
[00:54:49]  Vinny, where are you at with this?
[00:54:50]  What are you thinking here?
[00:54:51]  I mean, I love how you guys broke it down.
[00:54:53]  I mean, I personally don't like it.
[00:54:54]  Me and Humberto have talked about this.
[00:54:56]  This is a Christian nation.
[00:54:59]  To me, to be the president, you'd have to be Christian.
[00:55:02]  That's why I always said, by the way, all respect for him.
[00:55:05]  He's freaking awesome.
[00:55:06]  I love being around him.
[00:55:07]  I love the way he speaks so eloquently.
[00:55:09]  But at the end of the day, Christian nation, I want a Christian president.
[00:55:13]  I know sometimes we haven't got them Obama, possibly Trump, whatever.
[00:55:17]  That aside, And you guys made a good point.
[00:55:19]  Just in that moment, he could have just said, No, listen, I'm a Hindu.
[00:55:23]  We have a different belief, but I'm not going to try to hinder anything that's already happening.
[00:55:29]  This is a Christian nation.
[00:55:30]  I'm not going to put any policies.
[00:55:31]  I'm not going to do anything.
[00:55:32]  I'm not going to do what?
[00:55:33]  Like, mind you, think about the Hindu religion compared to what Islam and what Momdani is doing outside prayer, forcing the stuff on people.
[00:55:41]  I would have just said that.
[00:55:43]  I'm not going to try to change anything, but this is a bigger picture that we have to look at.
[00:55:47]  He's about to, hopefully, he'll become the governor.
[00:55:49]  Pat, this is a bigger fight, okay?
[00:55:52]  He loses, we lose the presidency.
[00:55:54]  That's a whole different situation.
[00:55:56]  At least he's being honest and he's saying his thing.
[00:55:58]  You guys know where I'm at.
[00:55:59]  I'm with Tom.
[00:56:00]  I know who Jesus Christ is.
[00:56:01]  I know exactly what he was here for and what he did, and he saved us.
[00:56:06]  But I really hope that people could say, okay, he's a Hindu.
[00:56:09]  He's not trying to change anything.
[00:56:11]  We need him to win instead of a Democrat, Adam.
[00:56:14]  Plain and simple.
[00:56:15]  When we fight over faith, guess what?
[00:56:16]  We forget about who's the best candidate for jobs, education, welfare, immigration, the economy, interest rates.
[00:56:22]  He wins six to nothing on just that list versus Amy Acton.
[00:56:27]  And here we're about to let.
[00:56:30]  You know, another democratic socialist in the door.
[00:56:33]  So it's like maybe if they get us fighting over Vivek and his faith stance, they're the ones that are laughing.
[00:56:39]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:56:40]  Adam.
[00:56:41]  I think Vivek is great.
[00:56:42]  I think I don't know if he's going to be capable of winning the United States presidency.
[00:56:47]  I don't know that.
[00:56:47]  I think I said that to his face.
[00:56:49]  I said, I don't know if a brown Hindu guy is going to be president of the United States, but I do think that he could still win Ohio.
[00:56:55]  What I'll tell you is this America is a Christian country, and we do need to have Christian values, Judeo Christian biblical values.
[00:57:03]  At the center of society, or society will crumble.
[00:57:06]  At the same time, we're a big tent in America.
[00:57:08]  Just because we're a Christian country doesn't mean we can't have people of all shapes, sizes, faith, religions, beliefs be a part of it.
[00:57:14]  Yes, he's Hindu.
[00:57:15]  You know, I believe that Hindus believe there are many paths to God live righteous, be a good person.
[00:57:22]  They believe in karma, they believe in reincarnation, they believe in spirituality.
[00:57:26]  Major respect.
[00:57:27]  Well, you want to know what I respect about Vivek?
[00:57:29]  Which, I mean, I'll circle back to what we're talking about with Tucker why I don't respect Tucker?
[00:57:33]  Because he owns it.
[00:57:34]  He said, listen, man, I'm Hindu.
[00:57:36]  Respect to you, respect if you're Christian, respect if you're Muslim, respect if you're Jewish, respect to whatever you are.
[00:57:42]  I respect everyone's religion, but this is what I believe.
[00:57:45]  And I hear, I'm telling you what I believe and owning it.
[00:57:48]  Not saying, well, I never said that Jesus is a son of God.
[00:57:52]  I never, he owns his statements.
[00:57:54]  And that's ultimately what this comes down to credibility.
[00:57:57]  You might not believe or agree with what he says, but he has the balls and the courage to say, yes, I said that.
[00:58:03]  I have a major issue with people who say, I've never said that.
[00:58:06]  And back to one thing you said, Pat, you said opinions change.
[00:58:10]  You said, you know, maybe I'll adjust my opinion.
[00:58:12]  You talked about crony capitalism, what have you.
[00:58:15]  Of course, as you should, because you're reasonable and you use your brain.
[00:58:19]  And you say, you know what, my opinions change.
[00:58:21]  Can you imagine me saying at this point, Pat, no, I never voted for Biden?
[00:58:26]  I never, that wasn't me.
[00:58:28]  It's like, buddy, we have you on film saying you voted for Biden.
[00:58:31]  But me, like, that's the biggest problem if you're going to stand for something, stand for it.
[00:58:37]  And if you're going to change your opinion, at least give people the Response of this is why I changed my opinion, but don't flip the script and act like we don't notice.
[00:58:46]  But you said, you said there's no, you said that, like, I'm sorry, there's no way a brown Hindu guy would be president.
[00:58:51]  I mean, Barack was a black Muslim and he won the presidency.
[00:58:56]  So I don't like what you're doing right there.
[00:58:58]  He's not Muslim.
[00:58:59]  I do understand.
[00:58:59]  Barack Hussein Obama was not, you think he's a Christian?
[00:59:02]  Well, he says he's a Christian.
[00:59:04]  When was that?
[00:59:04]  Can we fact check?
[00:59:06]  He would go to church in Chicago.
[00:59:07]  Guess what?
[00:59:08]  Everybody can walk into a church and go to a funeral.
[00:59:12]  He says he's a Christian.
[00:59:13]  He put his hand on the Bible.
[00:59:15]  I get that he sounds like a Muslim.
[00:59:17]  I don't believe it.
[00:59:18]  Barack Hussein Obama.
[00:59:19]  I get that.
[00:59:19]  I don't believe it.
[00:59:20]  I don't believe it.
[00:59:20]  I mean, so at this point, we're not even arguing facts.
[00:59:23]  We're just arguing distortions of reality.
[00:59:25]  I don't know.
[00:59:26]  He says he's a Christian.
[00:59:27]  Do I think that he's been weak on Christianity and been more pro Muslim?
[00:59:32]  Yes.
[00:59:33]  But he says he's Christian.
[00:59:34]  The guy that he's running against, Sherrod Brown, if you want to pull this up, 70 something years old.
[00:59:39]  Sherrod Brown in Ohio.
[00:59:40]  Ohio.
[00:59:40]  Former senator?
[00:59:41]  Sherrod Brown.
[00:59:42]  Yeah.
[00:59:42]  He is who he's running against.
[00:59:44]  Isn't that the candidate?
[00:59:45]  No, he's a Democrat.
[00:59:46]  Of course.
[00:59:47]  Vivek's going up against Sherrod Brown.
[00:59:48]  No, meaning that he still needs to get out of the primary, is what you're saying.
[00:59:50]  Who am I talking about?
[00:59:52]  Vivek needs to get out of the program.
[00:59:53]  No, this is the guy that they're saying is going to be the leading candidate for governor for Ohio.
[00:59:57]  Ohio, out of the Democratic side of things.
[00:59:58]  Yes.
[00:59:58]  Vivek, out of the Republican.
[00:59:59]  Yes.
[01:00:00]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:00:00]  So this guy, he started, by the way, he's been in politics since he was 21 years old.
[01:00:05]  Okay.
[01:00:06]  So he's a career politician, not a border guy, just so you know that.
[01:00:10]  He studied Russian affairs.
[01:00:13]  Like his degree was, you know, he's one of those guys that's like a Bernie, you know, not a border guy.
[01:00:19]  He's like a blue collar Bernie.
[01:00:21]  But he's also in Ohio.
[01:00:22]  So you got a guy that he's going up against that, so this could be your guy.
[01:00:26]  Okay, this could be your guy.
[01:00:27]  So you may not know the name right now, Sherrod Brown.
[01:00:30]  No, he's a guy.
[01:00:31]  He was a senator for 10 years.

=== Ben Shapiro Jeremy Boring Brand (15:39) ===

[01:00:33]  You will definitely.
[01:00:34]  But if a guy from Ohio goes and beats Vivek, you better believe you're going to know this face and this name in 2027, 2028, because he knows if Ohio wins, the liberal candidate becomes the president of the United States.
[01:00:47]  So this guy, get used to this name and face if he wins.
[01:00:51]  If he wins.
[01:00:51]  So for me, you know, if I have to agree with the policies that Vivek's got, And then you disagree on faith, that's where your choice comes in.
[01:01:00]  And says, America ready for somebody like him to become a governor?
[01:01:03]  You know, you're going to want a fighter like that because as this thing's going in a different direction, you're going to want different looking Avengers to fight.
[01:01:12]  And he's a very important role, in my opinion, for the Avengers to fight, even though he had a couple mishaps in his campaign.
[01:01:19]  So let's go to the next story.
[01:01:20]  Next story I want to get to is Daily Wire.
[01:01:22]  So, story comes out, and you know, everybody is in the market.
[01:01:26]  The moment something bad happens, They're losing.
[01:01:28]  They're doing this.
[01:01:29]  They're doing that.
[01:01:29]  Oh, we're killing it.
[01:01:30]  Let me tell you how many subscribers.
[01:01:32]  We're doing so well.
[01:01:33]  So, you know, when you're doing great, you brag.
[01:01:36]  But when you have a setback, the market's going to criticize you as well.
[01:01:38]  And that's part of capitalism and how it works.
[01:01:40]  And you have to kind of take it.
[01:01:41]  So, Rob, what numbers do we have?
[01:01:43]  Which one is it?
[01:01:43]  So, Daily Wires hit with layoffs across a number of teams, largely from their Nashville headquarters.
[01:01:50]  This is what page?
[01:01:51]  Page 31, I believe, if I'm not mistaken.
[01:01:55]  Page 33.
[01:01:56]  Let me go to it and read some of the numbers to you.
[01:02:00]  And then, Vinny, I'm going to come to you on this one here first.
[01:02:02]  So, Daily Wire has been hit with another round of layoffs.
[01:02:06]  Okay.
[01:02:07]  There's a couple stats.
[01:02:08]  This article I can read, drop.
[01:02:09]  I'm more interested in reading the stats because the stats I'm reading about is 50%, 60%, 85%.
[01:02:15]  They went from 200 employees to losing 100 employees, you know, in the Nashville office.
[01:02:20]  And so today, the Daily Wire made a difficult decision to restructure the organization, which included layoffs of a number of teams.
[01:02:25]  Spokesperson said, We are deeply grateful to those impacted their contributions, were instrumental in the building of Daily Wire into what it is today.
[01:02:32]  The statement continued the cuts were largely concentrated at our Nashville production office as the company has invested in new formats, locations, and production models.
[01:02:41]  Our footprint, as the company has invested there, has evolved over the last year.
[01:02:47]  We have added production staff in D.C., the Northeast, and Florida.
[01:02:51]  The step allows us to focus our resources on an ambitious slate of new entertainment projects set to be released later this year.
[01:02:57]  Additionally, we will continue to invest in our editorial team and investigative journalism, where we have already added numerous new reporters across the country.
[01:03:04]  And established a DC bureau with a seat in the White House briefing room.
[01:03:07]  Cameron Arcana, political reporter for the side, was affected by a round of cuts.
[01:03:11]  He posted about the layoffs on social media on Friday.
[01:03:13]  Hey, friends, tough news to share.
[01:03:15]  I was impacted by the layoffs today at Daily Wire, so I'm looking for opportunities in journalism and communication here in D.C. Candace said, who worked at the company until 2024, commented on the layoffs.
[01:03:26]  She hinted that at least 50% of the company's staff was affected.
[01:03:30]  That has yet to be confirmed.
[01:03:31]  Hearing that Daily Wire laid off over 50% of their staff today, as much as I positively despise what their executives put me and my family through, there are a lot of good people at the company.
[01:03:42]  Brent shared, the editor in chief from Daily Wire, refuted this claim and other similar ones on X.
[01:03:48]  Yes, the company has had layoffs.
[01:03:49]  It's always rough.
[01:03:51]  No, it is not nearly at 50% of the company.
[01:03:53]  That's insane and also insane to post without verifying.
[01:03:57]  Vinny.
[01:03:57]  I mean, this is what happens when your whole company is built on personalities and then you forget they have a massive audience.
[01:04:04]  Like you fire them or they just leave.
[01:04:06]  A big chunk of that audience is going with them.
[01:04:09]  And at one point, Ben Shapiro was pulling 170 million views a month.
[01:04:13]  Go on that rap.
[01:04:14]  Go on that rap.
[01:04:14]  On YouTube.
[01:04:15]  Oh, you have the chart that shows the clips?
[01:04:17]  Oh, go on.
[01:04:18]  Yeah, it was massive.
[01:04:19]  It was massive.
[01:04:20]  And then post October 7th, a lot of things changed.
[01:04:23]  He got a lot more aggressive, going after anyone not lining up with his stance on Gaza.
[01:04:28]  That shift alone starts narrowing the audience and you create tension inside the company.
[01:04:32]  Then, long after that, Candace Owen gets fired, whether you agree with her or not.
[01:04:36]  That move sends the message, okay?
[01:04:38]  You're not just losing a voice, you're pushing out someone who built a real audience underneath your umbrella.
[01:04:43]  Same pattern with Brett Kruper.
[01:04:44]  She left.
[01:04:45]  Different situation, same result.
[01:04:46]  Her entire audience left with her.
[01:04:48]  You know what I'm saying?
[01:04:49]  So instead of locking in on what already worked, they tried.
[01:04:52]  Doing this whole thing into something conservative.
[01:04:54]  They tried doing like a conservative Disney.
[01:04:57]  They did studio, you know, movies, kid content, streaming products, everything at once sounds great until it doesn't work.
[01:05:05]  Okay, you can't run a newsroom, a film studio, a kid platform, a product line all at once unless you have endless money and you have serious discipline.
[01:05:13]  And they stretch themselves thin, chasing everything instead of just dominating the lane that they already own.
[01:05:18]  They had a couple of wins.
[01:05:18]  I think Matt Walsh Robb, I think the racist one, did very, very well, his documentary.
[01:05:24]  Really, really good numbers.
[01:05:25]  But most of those big wins, Pat, they didn't land.
[01:05:28]  Then Jeremy Boring steps down.
[01:05:31]  That's not stability.
[01:05:32]  That's cracks starting to show.
[01:05:33]  And as my friend Thomas the Bizdock Ellsworth says, words talk, numbers scream, and these numbers scream.
[01:05:40]  You went from 170 million views to 22 million views.
[01:05:46]  You know this, guys.
[01:05:47]  That's not a dip, that's a collapse.
[01:05:49]  And they're still carrying the same heavy operation built that when things were booming.
[01:05:53]  So here's the truth.
[01:05:54]  The brand matters, but the connection people have is with the person.
[01:05:57]  That's what keeps them watching.
[01:05:58]  So when those voices leave or get pushed out or fired because they don't agree with the boss and they can't have a debate, a big piece of the audience goes with them.
[01:06:06]  So that's how you end up with a company that looks like a billion dollar machine, but it's, you know, leaning heavy on the people carrying Adam.
[01:06:13]  Look, this thing comes down to one word, and that's Ben.
[01:06:18]  Ben Shapiro is the face of the Daily Wire, and they have incredible talent.
[01:06:21]  I think Matt Walsh is an incredible talent.
[01:06:23]  I think Michael Knowles is a very likable.
[01:06:26]  Smart guy.
[01:06:27]  They have their whole crew over there, respect to what they've done.
[01:06:30]  Obviously, when Ben stood up for Israel against Hamas, that showed cracks in the system.
[01:06:38]  So I'll ask you one question Did the media wire, sorry, did the Daily Wire change or did the consumer media landscape change?
[01:06:47]  What do you think the answer is?
[01:06:50]  I don't think the Daily Wire changed at all.
[01:06:52]  I think they've stood for exactly what they stand for as a group.
[01:06:56]  Collectively, and the market has changed.
[01:06:58]  If you look at the Israel approval ratings, there's a direct correlation to how Americans and the world feel about Israel fighting this war in Gaza and against Iran to how Daily Wire subscriptions go.
[01:07:09]  Now, if you ask me, hey, Ben, if you had the chance to do it all over again, fire Candace, go against Tucker, defend Turning Point USA, defend Israel, would you do it all over again?
[01:07:20]  Do you know what I think his answer would be?
[01:07:22]  One million percent.
[01:07:24]  Because to me, this is not about likes, views, clicks.
[01:07:27]  Even when he attacked Megyn Kelly, he said, stand for something.
[01:07:30]  Even if he loses subscribers, even if he loses viewership, it doesn't matter to him.
[01:07:35]  I'll ask you a question.
[01:07:36]  If all of a sudden capitalism wasn't that cool, And we do fear that communism had taken over America.
[01:07:43]  And we saw that the media landscape and the consumers were like, I don't know, we're kind of into this socialism thing.
[01:07:49]  Do you think we'd give one inch to that?
[01:07:51]  We would double down on capitalism.
[01:07:53]  So when you believe in something, you stick with it.
[01:07:55]  And I think that's what he's doing.
[01:07:57]  Well, I have a couple observations.
[01:07:58]  And one of them, I was trying to find the numbers over the weekend because I didn't want to hang my hat on a number that was incorrect.
[01:08:04]  So, yeah, as Pat, you and I always talk, when you say they, say who they is.
[01:08:10]  If you say a lot, say a number and do your research and put it up.
[01:08:14]  So, what do we know?
[01:08:16]  That they spent millions of dollars on Bent Key, didn't work, and then they canceled.
[01:08:21]  Okay, so wow, an entrepreneur started a product.
[01:08:25]  They spent a bunch of money on it, it didn't work.
[01:08:27]  And the board at the same time, coincidentally, not coincidentally, March of last year, I think it's been over a year since Jeremy Boring stepped down as CEO.
[01:08:35]  And they say, okay, maybe that didn't work.
[01:08:38]  Well, look, Meta, they tried to do the metaverse and they spent Billions of dollars into a hole.
[01:08:42]  That didn't work either.
[01:08:43]  So you see things like that, you say, wow, maybe that affected your cash reserves.
[01:08:47]  But what was very interesting to me, can you go back to the ratings, the chart that Vinny was talking about?
[01:08:55]  The kind of the green.
[01:08:55]  Yeah.
[01:08:56]  Pat, take a look at this.
[01:08:57]  Most media companies, and I looked at this this weekend, most media companies, 2024 from January to October was like fantastic and they were up.
[01:09:08]  Why?
[01:09:09]  It was the election show.
[01:09:11]  They're talking primaries.
[01:09:12]  They're talking states.
[01:09:13]  They're talking just Trump really back.
[01:09:15]  No, we're going to go with Kamala.
[01:09:16]  Is Biden, did he write the letter?
[01:09:17]  Didn't he write the letter?
[01:09:18]  Remember all that?
[01:09:19]  Look at this.
[01:09:22]  If this is correct from this group, then the Daily Wire viewership was going down into an election cycle where most of the podcasts and the media kind of went up into an election cycle.
[01:09:34]  So I thought that was kind of interesting, difference that they experienced.
[01:09:39]  And those are my observations.
[01:09:41]  Yeah.
[01:09:41]  So my thoughts here.
[01:09:42]  On this story here.
[01:09:44]  Number one, running a business is very hard.
[01:09:48]  And running a business that's a public business is even harder.
[01:09:52]  And then running a business where the face of the business has an opinion is even 10 times harder.
[01:09:58]  Okay?
[01:09:59]  So in this case, the guy that when you think about Daily Wire, who's the face of Daily Wire?
[01:10:03]  Ben Shapiro.
[01:10:03]  Ben Shapiro.
[01:10:04]  Guess what?
[01:10:05]  You know, he, it comes with the territory.
[01:10:08]  You can't be upset about it.
[01:10:10]  But, you know, one thing with him, I don't think, you know, he's not a sensitive guy that is going to be affected by it.
[01:10:15]  I will tell you a couple of feedback here.
[01:10:17]  When did Jeremy Boring step down, Rob?
[01:10:19]  What was it?
[01:10:20]  A year ago.
[01:10:20]  I think it was March.
[01:10:21]  March of last year?
[01:10:22]  Yeah.
[01:10:23]  Okay.
[01:10:23]  So, by the way, this makes Jeremy Boring look good.
[01:10:28]  This makes Jeremy Boring look good because this says the creative guy was gone.
[01:10:33]  Love him or hate him, you know, he at least maybe was the creative guy that was doing stuff.
[01:10:38]  Okay.
[01:10:39]  He was a guy that was going out there doing the.
[01:10:42]  If you have to say naturally, who was more funny, Ben Shapiro or Jeremy Boring?
[01:10:45]  Jeremy Boring.
[01:10:46]  It's not even close, right?
[01:10:48]  No, it's not, Ben.
[01:10:48]  But I'm going to tell you.
[01:10:50]  Smarter.
[01:10:51]  I'm going to tell you, no, no, that's not even the conversation.
[01:10:53]  She knew.
[01:10:54]  Yeah.
[01:10:54]  So the rebranding of Ben has been let's try to see if he's funny and let's make him be funny and doing all this stuff.
[01:11:01]  I don't think it's working.
[01:11:02]  The rebranding of trying to attack and the way they do with Candace, the way they're doing, I also don't think that's working.
[01:11:09]  Okay.
[01:11:10]  I don't think that's working.
[01:11:12]  I think if Ben went on the road and did some of the stuff with campuses and schools and stuff like that, I think they can bring that eyeball back up again because he's phenomenal with that, being on the road and talking to kids.
[01:11:25]  And, you know, he's one of the OG guys who did this.
[01:11:28]  Him, Crowder, this is way before anybody else was doing it.
[01:11:30]  That's kind of how they build it.
[01:11:32]  Even before Charlie.
[01:11:32]  Yeah.
[01:11:32]  So, So, I think he can get back into it.
[01:11:35]  Does he want to do it or not?
[01:11:36]  Probably security is family.
[01:11:37]  People are probably saying no.
[01:11:38]  I think he's got three or four kids.
[01:11:40]  So, he's a family guy as well.
[01:11:42]  I don't think that's going to be happening.
[01:11:44]  And then, you know, last but not least, I do believe, you know, they may have tried to sell a year ago, maybe two years ago, and the numbers were higher.
[01:11:55]  It's like, hey, let's go to the market because they went from Fox News' enemy to Fox isn't an enemy.
[01:12:01]  And maybe we team up together and maybe Fox acquires us and we go under them.
[01:12:06]  And I don't know if that went through or not.
[01:12:07]  Okay, go back up there, Rob.
[01:12:08]  What does it say?
[01:12:09]  Shapiro solicits backers or buyers for build out Daily Wire.
[01:12:13]  What's the date on this?
[01:12:14]  What's the date on this?
[01:12:15]  Yeah, a year ago.
[01:12:16]  I've spoken to a few different people that's when they were on the market.
[01:12:19]  We had some interesting conversations with a few people.
[01:12:21]  Tom, you remember this one?
[01:12:22]  Some people came in and they asked us about our interest, about some different moves.
[01:12:29]  But this is the part about business.
[01:12:31]  We sold a week before money being cheap, a week before money went up in prices.
[01:12:38]  Vinny.
[01:12:39]  And sometimes, like, that's not like, oh my God, you guys were such geniuses.
[01:12:43]  No, it got lucky.
[01:12:45]  I mean, I'm being serious with you.
[01:12:46]  It's very easy to say, let me tell you how brilliant we are.
[01:12:50]  No, it was just timing.
[01:12:52]  Because then all of a sudden, boom, rates went up.
[01:12:55]  And then companies are like, time out.
[01:12:57]  We're not making any acquisitions the way we were.
[01:12:59]  So, our timing, of course, the company is worth way more than will be sold today.
[01:13:03]  The EBITDA is much higher.
[01:13:05]  The company is happy.
[01:13:06]  Everything ended up working out.
[01:13:07]  But a part of it is also timing.
[01:13:09]  Of when you drop and you move on.
[01:13:11]  So repositioning, re messaging, and see if the market is turned on by it or not.
[01:13:17]  And then you got to go from there.
[01:13:19]  But this is not an.
[01:13:19]  And by the way, CBS is having a hard time right now.
[01:13:21]  Of course they are.
[01:13:22]  It's not like CBS is like winning.
[01:13:23]  CBS is getting criticized.
[01:13:25]  So let me get this straight.
[01:13:26]  The 60 Minutes person that's doing the interview, what's her name?
[01:13:28]  Leslie Stahl, is a Jew, reporting to a Jew and working for a Jew.
[01:13:34]  Right?
[01:13:34]  So, so now guess what?
[01:13:36]  That's right.
[01:13:37]  And FYI, I knew it.
[01:13:38]  I knew it.
[01:13:39]  None of that is wrong.
[01:13:40]  None of that is wrong.
[01:13:41]  So, Leslie Stahl, where is Leslie Stahl's family from?
[01:13:43]  I don't know.
[01:13:44]  Is Leslie Stahl Jewish rap?
[01:13:46]  I don't know.
[01:13:47]  Leslie Stahl, where's her family from?
[01:13:50]  Do we know her family?
[01:13:51]  Yeah, Jewish family.
[01:13:52]  Okay, there you go.
[01:13:53]  So she's Jewish.
[01:13:55]  Who she reports to, Barry Weiss, is Jewish.
[01:13:57]  Who bought the company?
[01:13:58]  Who bought the company is David Ellison and Larry Ellison, who's Jewish.
[01:14:01]  So guess what?
[01:14:02]  Go ahead.
[01:14:03]  How do you fix that?
[01:14:04]  Go ahead and change the messaging.
[01:14:05]  You have to find a way to go through it.
[01:14:07]  So I'm not going to watch CBS because I don't know what these guys are trying to do.
[01:14:10]  This is a very, very, very weird time to be in a media space.
[01:14:15]  There's a very weird time to be in a media business.
[01:14:19]  It's going to be very difficult.
[01:14:20]  It's going to be very challenging.
[01:14:22]  And you're better off building on systems instead of personalities because if you only build it on personalities, they're going to go, they're going to leave, they're going to do this.
[01:14:30]  And look what happened.
[01:14:30]  Candace, boom, Brett Cooper.
[01:14:33]  And then Jordan Peterson's going through some challenges.
[01:14:35]  Hopefully he feels better.
[01:14:37]  And I saw Michaela Peterson that put a clip about it.
[01:14:40]  Of course, Jordan Peterson at one point played a very, very important role for young men in America.
[01:14:45]  And we heard some news with Rudy Giuliani.
[01:14:46]  He's also not feeling good.
[01:14:47]  I hope he recovers.
[01:14:48]  He was one of the.
[01:14:49]  Biggest fighters in America we ever had.
[01:14:51]  He cleaned up the streets of New York.
[01:14:52]  No matter how much people say stuff about Giuliani, you know, our prayers are with him and his family, and I hope they go through it, make it through.
[01:14:59]  But this game of media is not for everybody.
[01:15:02]  It's nasty, it's ugly, and you have to change your approach or the reasoning for it.
[01:15:08]  The other day, I went to Publix.
[01:15:10]  Early in the morning, I went to Publix because we didn't have mushrooms.
[01:15:12]  And John's like, You're really going to Publix?
[01:15:14]  I said, Babe, the way I make my omelette, both me and Tico like it with this mushroom.
[01:15:19]  So I go to Publix.
[01:15:21]  And by the way, when I go to Publix, 7 o'clock, 6 30 in the morning, whatever time is, I'm dressed like a, you know, I just got up, not fixing my hair or anything.
[01:15:29]  So I go, oh my God, guy pulls up.
[01:15:31]  I'm like, oh shoot, what?
[01:15:32]  And I didn't have my, I wasn't carrying.
[01:15:35]  So, guy comes up, he's giving me a hug, and I'm just, when he's hugging me, I'm just watching his hands, you know, because there's different kinds of hugs.
[01:15:41]  I'm like, hey, Nobody, you know what I'm saying when you're hugging somebody with the hands, like, oh, good.
[01:15:48]  By the way, he stays with me for 10 minutes.
[01:15:50]  Every aisle we went, he's following me.
[01:15:53]  He says, why'd you start a podcast?
[01:15:54]  I noticed you're doing a lot of podcasts.
[01:15:56]  Why do you do the podcast?
[01:15:57]  Nice guy.
[01:15:58]  Well, why are you doing a podcast?
[01:16:00]  You're a guy that's successful.
[01:16:01]  Is it that important?
[01:16:02]  Why is it so important?
[01:16:04]  Your strategy for running your media company may have to adjust instead of the traditional way of doing it to get sponsorship money.

=== Power Laws And Hugs (07:54) ===

[01:16:13]  And if you make the right adjustments, maybe you won long term.
[01:16:16]  If you don't and you bring personalities, personalities nowadays, no matter the moment you bring in, there's everybody in their ear saying, hey, you know, you should do this, you should do that, you should do that.
[01:16:25]  So this constantly gets people to not be able to retain.
[01:16:28]  So kudos to Knowles and Walsh and all those guys for being there because they get so much pressure every day for leaving.
[01:16:34]  And so, I don't know.
[01:16:35]  I don't know what's going to happen.
[01:16:36]  I mean, for staying.
[01:16:36]  I'm sorry, for staying.
[01:16:37]  Yeah.
[01:16:38]  So, they're constantly getting criticized to leave.
[01:16:40]  Hey, why aren't you leaving and doing your own thing?
[01:16:42]  But this is a very tough business.
[01:16:44]  We're going to see this thing over and over again with stories.
[01:16:46]  It's a tough business.
[01:16:47]  Let me ask you one thing, Pat.
[01:16:49]  There's only a few people that I put in this category of Ben Shapiro, meaning you're the owner operator founder.
[01:16:54]  You're also the main talent.
[01:16:56]  I think you're in that category, obviously.
[01:16:58]  I think someone like Dave Portnoy is in that category.
[01:17:01]  You know, the Tuckers of the world, the Candace's of the world are quickly finding out it's hard to be the owner operator talent.
[01:17:07]  We'll see what happens.
[01:17:07]  But here's my biggest thing.
[01:17:10]  If you listen to the voices that choose your enemies wisely, he's made Candace an enemy.
[01:17:15]  He's made Tucker an enemy.
[01:17:16]  To an extent, he's made Megyn Kelly.
[01:17:17]  What happened?
[01:17:18]  But look at what his enemies are saying.
[01:17:20]  Tucker is calling Trump the Antichrist, and then forget he said that.
[01:17:24]  Candace is telling people in the military just unlist from the army a dishonorable discharge.
[01:17:30]  Don't die for Israel.
[01:17:31]  Okay, that's at the very least un American.
[01:17:37]  You have.
[01:17:38]  Nick Fuentes, who's basically saying, go vote Democrat.
[01:17:42]  And I'll ask you this initial question What has changed from the perspective, not the business model, the perspective from what you're hearing from the Daily Wire?
[01:17:50]  Because I would argue nothing's changed.
[01:17:52]  They're doubling down on what they've always done.
[01:17:54]  Do you think they should change or should they stay the way they are, personality wise and content wise?
[01:17:59]  I'm not saying business perspective.
[01:18:01]  Or do they stick to their morals and their values and say, no, this is what we stand for?
[01:18:06]  We're not going to listen to you.
[01:18:09]  Trash Turning Point USA or an Erica Kirk, or basically say this.
[01:18:11]  Let me tell you this, though.
[01:18:12]  Let me tell you how this works.
[01:18:14]  One day I'm in Atlanta and I'm talking to this other guy, and the company has pinned us against each other.
[01:18:20]  I'll give you the dates.
[01:18:21]  It's probably like, you know, October of 2008.
[01:18:26]  And this is not a guy I trust.
[01:18:29]  Shady guy.
[01:18:29]  He got promoted and demoted three times.
[01:18:32]  But I got along with everybody, including this guy.
[01:18:35]  But I knew who he was and he knew who I was.
[01:18:37]  Both of us knew we were players.
[01:18:39]  This guy ended up making $10 million a year.
[01:18:41]  Very, very good at what he does, but not my kind of guy.
[01:18:43]  It's the kind of guy that looks at you, says stuff, and behind your back says stuff.
[01:18:47]  And when I sold the company, he came here, tried to give me to help him out.
[01:18:49]  I'm like, listen, I don't play these big shot bullshit games.
[01:18:52]  Never responding back to his text, nothing.
[01:18:54]  Because to my face, he would compliment behind my back.
[01:18:57]  He would go out there and try to destroy.
[01:18:59]  Fake friend.
[01:18:59]  I don't do that kind of stuff at all.
[01:19:01]  And by the way, I wish him nothing but the best.
[01:19:02]  He knows who he is.
[01:19:02]  They're going to share this video with him and he'll see it.
[01:19:04]  He knows exactly what my position is.
[01:19:06]  The moment you did that one thing, you lose me permanently.
[01:19:07]  I don't play games.
[01:19:08]  But I'm going to tell you what happened.
[01:19:12]  When we were at this event, he says, My style is, you know, I destroy you and then we become friends.
[01:19:19]  And then when I'm bigger than you, then we become friends.
[01:19:21]  What the hell is that?
[01:19:22]  So he said this to me and he's like, Hey, we should celebrate.
[01:19:24]  Said that to your face.
[01:19:25]  Yeah.
[01:19:26]  But he's talking about other people, but I get what he's saying.
[01:19:28]  He says, We should do events together.
[01:19:29]  I'm like, I'll never do events with you.
[01:19:31]  But the reason why I didn't want to do events with him is because I knew he would brainwash and confuse others and divide.
[01:19:39]  I don't play those games.
[01:19:40]  I understand deception very quickly when people try to play games.
[01:19:43]  It's very obvious, very effective.
[01:19:45]  I've read all the power books 40 Laws of Power, Art of War, 33 Strategies of War, The Rings.
[01:19:50]  You read any of these stuff on manipulation and power.
[01:19:53]  I read them because I knew what.
[01:19:55]  By the way, I gave one of our guys in the company was using 40 Laws of Power against our guys.
[01:19:59]  You know what?
[01:19:59]  I made the book of the month the next month.
[01:20:00]  I had everybody in the company read 40 Laws of Power so nobody could do his work.
[01:20:04]  Flip the script.
[01:20:04]  I said, Everybody read 40 laws of power so nobody can manipulate against you.
[01:20:09]  But you know what happened?
[01:20:10]  Here's the challenge, Adam.
[01:20:13]  If we come up and I, behind closed doors, I'm constantly trying to destroy your career in media, and you're an 18 year old kid, 19 year old kid, and I'm telling everybody how bad you are, that may work on 99% of 18, 19 year old kids, they can destroy their career, and then comes the one guy.
[01:20:38]  And a one guy you don't F with.
[01:20:40]  So, if you came up in any business, including media, and behind closed doors you made the phone calls because you have access to those guys to destroy their careers, I'm not with that either.
[01:20:51]  So, I'm not saying that's what they did.
[01:20:53]  I haven't been around the game long enough to know what everybody did.
[01:20:56]  I do know this is a very nasty, nasty game, and I would size everybody up when I would talk to them.
[01:21:01]  We're new in this space.
[01:21:02]  It's not like we've been in this space for a long time.
[01:21:04]  And I don't even know if you understand what I just said right now.
[01:21:06]  Some people did understand exactly what I just said right now.
[01:21:09]  I'm reading between the lines.
[01:21:10]  If you came up, And you intentionally used your power to destroy people's career, F you.
[01:21:19]  If you did that.
[01:21:21]  Because if that's how you win, you deserve everything that's coming your way because that's how capitalism works.
[01:21:26]  You can't do that.
[01:21:27]  Sure.
[01:21:27]  The way to compete is beat me, out message me.
[01:21:33]  What did Biden's administration do?
[01:21:35]  Hey, silence those YouTube channels.
[01:21:37]  What did Fauci and those guys do on COVID?
[01:21:39]  Hey, silence those guys.
[01:21:41]  I remember there was a guy named Dr. Mike.
[01:21:42]  I'm like, hey, come on.
[01:21:43]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
[01:21:44]  Three times he's agreed and then cancels.
[01:21:45]  Why not?
[01:21:46]  Next week, you ask Fauci on.
[01:21:47]  Oh, you can because I'm going to talk to you about Fauci?
[01:21:49]  And who was telling you?
[01:21:50]  And we were getting strikes?
[01:21:51]  So if you played those games, don't think it only happens on the liberal side.
[01:21:55]  If conservatives do it, I'm not with that either.
[01:21:58]  I'm with arguments.
[01:22:00]  Like I enjoyed watching Tucker's interview with New York Times.
[01:22:02]  I don't agree with them.
[01:22:03]  I've already called them out.
[01:22:04]  I said what my position is, but I actually enjoyed the interview.
[01:22:06]  Why?
[01:22:06]  Because I'm watching the game, how it's being played, and I want to know people's position so we can adjust accordingly on what we're doing.
[01:22:13]  So I'm not part of the, as much as People are like, you know what?
[01:22:17]  All the death threats I got for interviewing BB and Nick Fontes, who the hell had both of them on within 30 days?
[01:22:22]  Nobody.
[01:22:22]  I enjoyed both their conversations.
[01:22:23]  I wish I had an hour and a half with BB.
[01:22:26]  Why?
[01:22:26]  Because last minute, you remember what happened last minute?
[01:22:28]  We're on the other side of the building.
[01:22:29]  Last minute, he wants to start earlier, got 30 minutes.
[01:22:31]  I'm like, dude, I thought I had an hour.
[01:22:33]  Do you remember this when we had to come out and interrupt?
[01:22:35]  I don't know.
[01:22:35]  You were in the room as well.
[01:22:36]  We started 15 minutes early.
[01:22:38]  I was supposed to come, like, that threw my calendar off and I couldn't really get into the.
[01:22:43]  But the market doesn't know this.
[01:22:44]  It's not their fault.
[01:22:45]  They're supposed to criticize.
[01:22:46]  But if you came up, And you used your card to do that, I don't play that game.
[01:22:52]  I know.
[01:22:53]  I don't play that game.
[01:22:54]  And by the way, you and I could agree together politically, and I still don't play that game.
[01:23:00]  I still don't play that game because, you know, my daughters, and I'm going to get to the next source.
[01:23:05]  We got so many sources.
[01:23:05]  I don't want to stay on the story for too long.
[01:23:07]  I'm getting Brooklyn to get in the habit of, you know, what are the four things we do as a family?
[01:23:12]  Read, respect, improve, love.
[01:23:13]  Do we bully?
[01:23:14]  No.
[01:23:14]  Do we get bullied?
[01:23:15]  No.
[01:23:15]  Okay.
[01:23:16]  What are the three things we pray for?
[01:23:17]  Courage, wisdom, tolerance.
[01:23:18]  You know, courage, wisdom, understanding.
[01:23:19]  Great.
[01:23:20]  You know, I, I, Brooklyn Ivy, B. David, Brooklyn Ivy, will one day, one day be a great leader.
[01:23:24]  I'm in that phase with her because she's four years old.
[01:23:26]  I haven't had to do this because Senna's nine years old.
[01:23:28]  About to be 10.
[01:23:29]  So I'm shaping her.
[01:23:30]  I'm like, I don't want to write.
[01:23:31]  Let me just watch.
[01:23:32]  No, go do your steps.
[01:23:34]  And she has to do these steps, exercise every morning.
[01:23:37]  And then she has to go write the letters.
[01:23:39]  Oh, daddy, please.
[01:23:40]  I don't want to do it.
[01:23:41]  Please.
[01:23:41]  I'm like, baby, as cute as you are, you have to write it.
[01:23:44]  You're not going to get nothing with daddy.
[01:23:46]  I love you so much.
[01:23:47]  I don't want to write lead 10 times.
[01:23:50]  Write lead 10 times.
[01:23:51]  So she writes.
[01:23:51]  I'm like, dude, that's great.
[01:23:52]  Good.
[01:23:53]  And we're going back and forth.
[01:23:54]  But if the one thing in our family, we don't bully and we don't get bullied.
[01:23:59]  And the market is filled with a lot of bullies and some of them that are covert bullies.
[01:24:05]  You know what the covert bully is?

=== JetBlue Spirit Merger Drama (13:42) ===

[01:24:08]  You know what I'm talking about?
[01:24:08]  Like the guy that's behind the angle.
[01:24:12]  Oh, oh, Heavenly Father.
[01:24:13]  Like China.
[01:24:14]  And then you're doing this?
[01:24:15]  You especially are the kinds I don't like.
[01:24:17]  Well, because I like bullies like this.
[01:24:19]  Okay?
[01:24:21]  Like Trump's this kind of a bully.
[01:24:23]  But there's some deceptive games bully.
[01:24:27]  I don't do that.
[01:24:27]  And, you know, we try not to touch a lot of different positions.
[01:24:31]  Anyways, I'm going to move on because we'll be in this.
[01:24:33]  Topic here for another 45 minutes.
[01:24:34]  All right.
[01:24:35]  So let's get into Spirit.
[01:24:36]  Is it Spirit Airlines?
[01:24:36]  Am I saying it correctly?
[01:24:37]  Spirit Airlines, right?
[01:24:40]  Spirit Airlines.
[01:24:40]  I know you fly Spirit all the time.
[01:24:42]  That's why you were forgetting things.
[01:24:43]  What's funny is I have.
[01:24:44]  I just haven't recently, but I have.
[01:24:47]  So Spirit Airlines story comes out, and Tom, I'm coming to you first with this one, and then Vinny, please contact your folks because we need your analysis.
[01:24:53]  So Spirit Airlines comes out with the story that they are shutting down.
[01:25:00]  Wait a minute.
[01:25:00]  What?
[01:25:01]  Shutting down.
[01:25:02]  How many jobs?
[01:25:03]  15,000.
[01:25:04]  You're kidding me.
[01:25:05]  No.
[01:25:06]  Democrats come out because of gas prices.
[01:25:09]  Spirit is shutting down.
[01:25:09]  This is all on Trump.
[01:25:11]  And then all of a sudden, timeout.
[01:25:12]  What did Elizabeth Warren and the DOJ prevent from happening?
[01:25:16]  So here's Duffy, Secretary Duffy, who's doing a great job, and here's him delivering his update on what happened with Spirit Airlines.
[01:25:23]  Go ahead, Rob.
[01:25:24]  And Spirit.
[01:25:26]  And Joe Biden and Pete Buttigieg, along with the Biden DOJ, decided that they did not want that merger to take place.
[01:25:35]  And at the time, the Biden and Buttigieg DOJ bragged and said, As they canceled the option for this merger, that this was a victory for U.S. travelers who deserve lower prices and better choices.
[01:25:49]  Now, many at the time said this was a disaster.
[01:25:53]  This merger should have been allowed.
[01:25:55]  And this today would indicate this is not better for travelers, this is not better for pricing, this is not better for competition.
[01:26:02]  Actually, it's worse.
[01:26:04]  We had an airline go down because the markets were trying to allow two airlines to merge, make them stronger, and offer more competition.
[01:26:12]  For the American consumer.
[01:26:15]  Also, Elizabeth Warren at the time cheered the blocking of the merger, saying that this was a Biden win for flyers.
[01:26:25]  So, again, I think it's important that we always look with a keen eye when airlines want to merge.
[01:26:31]  We care about pricing for consumers.
[01:26:33]  You can pause it right here.
[01:26:34]  You can pause it right here on what happened.
[01:26:36]  Duffy said, hey, if you work for Spirit, don't go to work.
[01:26:40]  If you have a flight, don't go.
[01:26:41]  It's not going to happen.
[01:26:42]  If you're going to do this, don't do that.
[01:26:43]  So, they're going through all this stuff.
[01:26:45]  And then Senator Warren is facing backlash over JetBlue merger block after Spirit shut down.
[01:26:52]  Rob, do you have that one when they were going through the whole thing?
[01:26:54]  This was March 7, 2023.
[01:26:56]  Good work.
[01:26:56]  Is this just Budicic or is it both of them?
[01:26:59]  Both.
[01:26:59]  Okay, go for it.
[01:27:00]  That passengers have choices, that they have access to low fares, that they have access to competition.
[01:27:08]  And socialist Elizabeth Warren said at the time, preventing a merger between JetBlue and Spirit would have kept us from doing that.
[01:27:13]  It's a tweet that they're going to read.
[01:27:14]  She said, I've warned for months a JetBlue Spirit merger would have led to fewer flights, higher fares.
[01:27:19]  The irony is that that really kind of socialist viewpoint got us one less airline and fewer jobs.
[01:27:26]  Is that it?
[01:27:27]  Yep.
[01:27:27]  Okay.
[01:27:27]  Tom, what do we know about this?
[01:27:29]  Who screwed up?
[01:27:29]  Whose fault is it?
[01:27:30]  So, if you've got two huge giants that want to put together, that's where the Federal Trade Commission says, hey, anti monopoly behavior, the monopolistic behavior.
[01:27:41]  They don't want that to happen.
[01:27:43]  But you've got JetBlue and Spirit, two smaller airlines.
[01:27:48]  JetBlue, who classically, you know, they are who they are.
[01:27:51]  We all know who they are, kind of a Southwest mid tier.
[01:27:56]  And then you've got Spirit that was providing, you know, ultra low cost.
[01:28:00]  On certain routes.
[01:28:01]  As a matter of fact, Spirit is very big here in Fort Lauderdale.
[01:28:04]  Yeah, their headquarters is here in Dania, I believe.
[01:28:06]  That's exactly right.
[01:28:07]  I mean, they're huge.
[01:28:09]  And so what happened was they said, oh, it'll lead to higher fares and fewer flights.
[01:28:15]  They believed that JetBlue was merely going to shut down Spirit.
[01:28:20]  Well, they apparently don't understand the economics of airlines.
[01:28:25]  That's not what's going to happen.
[01:28:28]  Market share of hubs is what matters in airlines, number one.
[01:28:32]  And number two, you know, you do have levels.
[01:28:36]  And what they did last year, Pat, it came true.
[01:28:39]  Elizabeth Warren says, we're going to block this because it's going to have, it'll, consumers have higher fares and fewer flights.
[01:28:47]  You dumb bunny.
[01:28:48]  That's exactly what you did.
[01:28:50]  Oh, no.
[01:28:51]  Whoa.
[01:28:51]  What a shine.
[01:28:53]  Oh, yo, yo.
[01:28:53]  Don't say that.
[01:28:55]  I'm going to try to take out someone.
[01:28:56]  Mission accomplished, Pocahontas.
[01:28:59]  Oh, it's like, snap.
[01:29:02]  Now you look back over there.
[01:29:04]  You bad bunny.
[01:29:05]  People don't have, People don't have jobs.
[01:29:07]  You got Tom riled up, buddy.
[01:29:09]  People don't have jobs.
[01:29:10]  Now, what happened?
[01:29:12]  Spirit had issues the way it was managed and forward.
[01:29:15]  They ended up.
[01:29:16]  Let them know, Tom.
[01:29:17]  I think they had $9 billion of debt.
[01:29:20]  I think that was the.
[01:29:21]  $9 billion.
[01:29:24]  No, JetBlue had $9 billion of debt.
[01:29:26]  And so they were like, how is JetBlue going to do this?
[01:29:28]  But if this had been like American and United coming together to make a super carrier, then you could say, wow, well, there go prices.
[01:29:35]  And you'd probably be right.
[01:29:37]  But you've got these, a regional and a discount airline.
[01:29:40]  And the government got it wrong.
[01:29:42]  They simply got it wrong because look at all the angle they were capitalism bad, merger for bigger bad, people bad.
[01:29:50]  And you know what else?
[01:29:51]  I'm going to go out here and I'm going to say maybe.
[01:29:54]  Maybe if this has been a pharmaceutical company or a defense contractor, which keeps merging, how many defense contractors we have left?
[01:30:02]  Five super majors, Pat.
[01:30:04]  Remember the chart that we talked about on this podcast two years ago about all the defense contractors had merged together and that created issues for the American taxpayer paying for things?
[01:30:15]  This wouldn't have done that.
[01:30:16]  This was you're trying to keep.
[01:30:18]  If I had been there, I would have said, Look, we need to let Spirit and JetBlue get together.
[01:30:24]  And I'll tell you why.
[01:30:25]  Because we need to keep a mid tier and a discount airline to be large enough to compete with American, to compete with the others.
[01:30:34]  That's what I would have done.
[01:30:35]  And they blew it.
[01:30:36]  They missed the call.
[01:30:37]  Do you know what Elizabeth Warren, Pete Buttichich, and the Democrats are begging and praying for and making phone calls behind closed doors?
[01:30:45]  What?
[01:30:46]  To let something happen?
[01:30:48]  To have the second airline go bankrupt.
[01:30:51]  Because if the second airline goes bankrupt, they're right in imaging and PR.
[01:30:57]  If it's only Sprint Spirit, Republicans are right.
[01:31:01]  But if a second goes through, Trump's going to have to answer for that and Duffy.
[01:31:07]  And it's going to come back to oil prices.
[01:31:08]  It's the second one, Tom.
[01:31:10]  Yep.
[01:31:11]  So you better believe behind closed doors, Democrats are right now sitting there saying, who's another one that could go bankrupt?
[01:31:16]  Hey, let's make their life a living and make them go bankrupt.
[01:31:18]  Who's another one that can go bankrupt?
[01:31:19]  They're in the blue with $9 billion in debt.
[01:31:21]  There are some people that handicap it that if you lined all the airlines up, JetBlue is the next one that would be possible.
[01:31:28]  But they are, you look at their financials, they appear to be a long way away from the cliff.
[01:31:33]  Yeah.
[01:31:34]  Well, I'm just saying, they're celebrating that because play that clip, Rob, if you can.
[01:31:38]  Right.
[01:31:38]  Yeah.
[01:31:39]  They're celebrating that.
[01:31:40]  Here's Merrick Garland on March of 2023 talking about Spirit Airlines.
[01:31:44]  Go ahead, Rob.
[01:31:47]  Today, the Department of Justice filed a civil antitrust lawsuit in the U.S. District Court for the District of Massachusetts. to stop the merger of JetBlue and Spirit Airlines.
[01:31:57]  We are joined in that lawsuit by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, the State of New York, and the District of Columbia.
[01:32:04]  I'm here with Associate Attorney General Vinita Gupta and Principal Deputy Assistant Attorney General Doha Mekki.
[01:32:11]  Our complaint alleges that JetBlue's proposed $3.8 billion acquisition of Spirit violates Section 7 of the Clayton Act.
[01:32:20]  We allege that if allowed to proceed, this merger will limit choices and drive up ticket prices for passengers across the country.
[01:32:28]  And we further allege that the impact of this merger will be particularly harmful for travelers who rely on what are known as ultra low cost carriers in order to fly.
[01:32:39]  Those include working and middle class Americans who travel for personal as opposed to business reasons and who must pay their own way.
[01:32:47]  Keep going.
[01:32:48]  By acquiring Spirit, JetBlue will eliminate the largest ultra low cost carrier in the United States.
[01:32:55]  Oh, you just caused it, by the way.
[01:32:56]  Pause it right there.
[01:32:57]  So, meaning, Whatever they try to prevent, this is over and over and over again.
[01:33:02]  They do their policies and it miserably fails, and capitalism wins, but they confuse.
[01:33:08]  Okay.
[01:33:08]  And look, oh my God, this is gas prices.
[01:33:10]  They're going to do that.
[01:33:10]  Adam, what are your thoughts on this before we move on?
[01:33:12]  Let them fail.
[01:33:14]  You remember that when Chamoth said that about the airlines in 2020 when they did the bailout and because they were doing their stock buybacks?
[01:33:20]  He said, let them fail because you said this, you taught me this.
[01:33:23]  What are the four elements of capitalism?
[01:33:25]  Freedom to buy, freedom to sell, freedom to try, freedom to fail, freedom to fail.
[01:33:29]  So, here's what I know about Spirit Airlines.
[01:33:31]  I know it's been quite some time since you've flown Spirit.
[01:33:34]  I fly Spirit if I have to.
[01:33:36]  They're basically the dollar general of airlines.
[01:33:40]  And when you have a business model that you're the cheapest prices, how do you raise prices?
[01:33:48]  How do you increase your margins?
[01:33:50]  Spirit Airlines had a mantra, it'd be like low prices, bad experiences, we'll get you there, maybe.
[01:33:57]  So, listen, I remember the last time that I flew Spirit.
[01:34:01]  I flew, you know my friend Keith.
[01:34:03]  I have some rich friends, Vinny.
[01:34:05]  It's better to have really, really rich friends.
[01:34:07]  Flew to Aspen with him on his private jet from Miami.
[01:34:10]  He goes, Come on, come with me to Aspen.
[01:34:12]  I go, Great.
[01:34:14]  Fly with him.
[01:34:14]  He goes, How are you getting back?
[01:34:15]  I go, Do I get to take the jet back?
[01:34:17]  He goes, No.
[01:34:18]  I go, Spirit it is, homie.
[01:34:20]  I flew back spirit.
[01:34:21]  Now, let me tell you, I'd rather fly private.
[01:34:23]  Don't get me wrong.
[01:34:23]  I know how much you guys like flying private to Aspen.
[01:34:26]  I go, That's a great experience for you.
[01:34:27]  But spirit is low cost, bad experience, and there's always issues.
[01:34:33]  So, I don't know what happened here with spirit.
[01:34:35]  I'm not delving into the devil's details.
[01:34:36]  Tom's got those details.
[01:34:38]  But at some point, if your business model is built on razor thin margins, there's very little room for error.
[01:34:45]  And when gas prices go up and travel goes down, you can't really raise the prices if you have the worst reputation.
[01:34:52]  And I'll ask you this, Pat you did a commercial for the FLBs.
[01:34:55]  You said, We went to Tuscany, Italy.
[01:34:57]  And you said, We had the choice, help me out here, Pat, to make it cheap, to make it quick, to make it fast.
[01:35:03]  We chose none of those.
[01:35:04]  We did it the right way.
[01:35:05]  Yep.
[01:35:06]  Spirit Airlines had to pick a path.
[01:35:08]  We were the cheapest.
[01:35:09]  You're the best customer service.
[01:35:10]  You're either going to get you there on time.
[01:35:12]  They would do neither.
[01:35:13]  They were the cheapest.
[01:35:14]  They would never get you there on time.
[01:35:16]  And they had horrible customer service.
[01:35:18]  Let them fail.
[01:35:19]  Let my people go.
[01:35:20]  And I had the work like, it was like when my father, God rest his soul, passed away, I came to the airport sad.
[01:35:26]  I have a big vendetta with them.
[01:35:28]  They charged me $50 because I had emotional baggage with my dad.
[01:35:32]  Emotion.
[01:35:33]  That's the joke.
[01:35:34]  Pat's face went.
[01:35:35]  They're like, you look like you're sad.
[01:35:37]  Yeah.
[01:35:37]  That's $50.
[01:35:38]  You're going to put that on the airport.
[01:35:39]  No, it's funny.
[01:35:40]  Pat's face went.
[01:35:40]  Nobody caught that joke.
[01:35:41]  I caught you.
[01:35:42]  $50.
[01:35:43]  By the way, what they do, they will nickel and dime you for everything.
[01:35:47]  Words talk, numbers scream.
[01:35:49]  And we'll get off this story, Pat.
[01:35:50]  But Spirit Airlines has 1.4% market share.
[01:35:55]  Oh my gosh, giant in the closet, right?
[01:35:59]  JetBlue has 3.4%.
[01:36:02]  That's 4.8.
[01:36:03]  So if they had merged, they would have had 4.8% market share.
[01:36:06]  Alaska is next at 5.8%, and then United at 17%.
[01:36:10]  So this would have created.
[01:36:12]  A low cost plus regional player that's still smaller than Alaska and four times smaller than United and six times smaller than market leader American and Delta, who both have about 20.
[01:36:24]  But more importantly, how do you go to the place have to do with the giant in the closet?
[01:36:28]  Like, what were they doing?
[01:36:29]  No, no, I'm making a joke.
[01:36:30]  I mean, it's like they were not some giant that was not coming up.
[01:36:37]  So, but by the way, what you're saying is right.
[01:36:38]  And by the way, look, I think we have to give the highlight real, Rob.
[01:36:41]  We can't do this.
[01:36:41]  We have to give respect to the spirit because if you're somebody.
[01:36:45]  That likes entertainment, you have to give it up to what happens at Spirit Airlines.
[01:36:51]  Watch this.
[01:36:51]  Go ahead.
[01:36:51]  We got the speed.
[01:36:52]  Let me hear the audio.
[01:36:53]  This is Spirit Airlines.
[01:36:54]  Oh, look at the punches.
[01:36:56]  Give me the kick.
[01:36:56]  Kick.
[01:36:57]  Kick.
[01:36:57]  What airlines are you going to do?
[01:37:00]  This is where you can go recruit that.
[01:37:04]  There's another one with employees fighting.
[01:37:06]  I haven't seen this one, but I want to see.
[01:37:08]  What are they boys fighting?
[01:37:09]  Go up one, Robbie.
[01:37:10]  It was right above you.
[01:37:11]  Above you.
[01:37:11]  That one.
[01:37:12]  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:37:13]  Watch this.
[01:37:13]  Go back a little bit.
[01:37:14]  This is employees.
[01:37:15]  I mean, I'm drop kicking your ass.
[01:37:20]  That's spirit of the club.
[01:37:21]  You got an eight head.
[01:37:23]  Look at that eight head right there.
[01:37:25]  You ain't your daddy.
[01:37:26]  What?
[01:37:26]  What?
[01:37:27]  Fuck out of here.
[01:37:29]  Go suck a dick.
[01:37:30]  Oh my God.
[01:37:31]  Stop it.
[01:37:32]  Rob.
[01:37:32]  You didn't tell me she was going to say that.
[01:37:34]  Wait a minute.
[01:37:36]  First, Tom says giant closet, and then now she says.
[01:37:38]  Let's just swing at it.
[01:37:39]  Okay, all right, let's get to the next story.
[01:37:41]  But more importantly, Tom, how is your emotional baggage?
[01:37:43]  Let's get to the next story.
[01:37:44]  Next story I want to get into.
[01:37:45]  Next story I want to get into is.
[01:37:48]  There's a couple of them.
[01:37:48]  I'd like to get to them.

=== Exit Tax Consequences (14:29) ===

[01:37:50]  Let's do it.
[01:37:50]  Hopefully.
[01:37:50]  So, the next one I want to get to is wealth tax.
[01:37:55]  Okay.
[01:37:55]  Let's go to the wealth tax because there's something nobody is talking about with the wealth tax that you have to be thinking about.
[01:38:02]  Okay.
[01:38:03]  Seattle AI startup founder says he's leaving over new millionaire tax that's out there.
[01:38:10]  Rob, if you got the clip here, go for it.
[01:38:12]  Does it get right into it, Rob?
[01:38:13]  Or go ahead.
[01:38:15]  You could manifest that.
[01:38:16]  That was the culture here.
[01:38:19]  We had a vibrant startup community.
[01:38:20]  We had a very supportive startup community, and the ecosystem worked.
[01:38:27]  It helped build the companies.
[01:38:29]  And then, for whatever reason, sort of over the last four or five years, we've seen this shift where entrepreneurship is now villainized.
[01:38:38]  And it's an unfortunate and sad shift.
[01:38:41]  It's probably the least friendly place to do business I can imagine.
[01:38:45]  I'm Jesse Proudman, founder and CTO at Venice.ai.
[01:38:48]  We don't want to be out of Washington State.
[01:38:50]  We love it here, right?
[01:38:51]  Like we want to stay, but they're forcing the hands of many people based on how they're changing the climate.
[01:38:57]  You've got moderates in the middle.
[01:38:59]  And conservatives on the right and liberals on the left.
[01:39:03]  And over time, that liberal perspective has gone farther and farther left.
[01:39:09]  And the blame for the problems in the city has become focused on sort of lack of funding and the reality of the.
[01:39:18]  We can pause it right there.
[01:39:19]  Okay, so let me just give you some numbers here.
[01:39:21]  So, Tom, core rule 7% tax on long term capital gains is the current law, okay, is what they have.
[01:39:29]  Applies to people with $700,000 plus per year in gains.
[01:39:33]  The 7% on gains up to a million.
[01:39:35]  The higher tier is 9.9% on gains above a million dollars, Vinny.
[01:39:39]  9.9%.
[01:39:41]  And then they're proposing this.
[01:39:44]  It's going to be expected to begin around 2028, is what the date is.
[01:39:48]  Then the new thing they're proposing is the 1% annual tax on financial assets, which is stocks, bonds, ETFs, mutual funds, applies to the ultra wealth, the over $100 million every year, 1% the tax that you pay on it.
[01:40:00]  So, Tom, why is this so important for people to think about?
[01:40:05]  And what is the blind spot that they're not looking at?
[01:40:08]  What people, when they say tax the rich, as soon as you hear the word tax, always say in your head, everybody ultimately.
[01:40:16]  Whenever you hear a politician talk about taxes, everybody ultimately.
[01:40:20]  And what's in Washington, this opened, and they had an official in Washington say, beginning with the millionaires, because that's an easier place to sell it.
[01:40:27]  It's obviously the intent is to tax everybody, quote unquote.
[01:40:32]  So, and why are we so surprised?
[01:40:34]  And we've seen people on social media that took to the Fine print of the California tax.
[01:40:40]  We covered it on this podcast a week ago.
[01:40:42]  We showed you the areas that were being called out by many people that were there.
[01:40:46]  And so now you've got a guy leaving Washington.
[01:40:50]  He likes Washington.
[01:40:51]  He's got family that are in Washington.
[01:40:53]  He's got employees that are in Washington.
[01:40:55]  And he's saying, listen, this has become more and more toxic environment here.
[01:40:59]  And now we're looking at other things.
[01:41:00]  We're looking at Nevada.
[01:41:01]  We're looking at Austin.
[01:41:03]  Wow, what a surprise.
[01:41:05]  And it's, you know what?
[01:41:06]  These decisions have consequences.
[01:41:08]  But what also tells you is we are in the middle of a wave, and the wave that is coming.
[01:41:12]  Is socialism driven by Marxism?
[01:41:18]  And it's an attack on assets and it's seizure of assets.
[01:41:22]  These are not taxes.
[01:41:24]  These are seizing assets that have already been taxed that were used to build.
[01:41:29]  Vinny, you and I get together.
[01:41:31]  We took some of our money in a savings account.
[01:41:33]  It's already been taxed.
[01:41:34]  My money's been taxed.
[01:41:34]  It's in my savings account.
[01:41:36]  Your money, you'd pay taxes on.
[01:41:37]  You put it in a savings account.
[01:41:38]  We took that and started a business.
[01:41:40]  And then we go up.
[01:41:41]  And now they're saying, well, wow, your business is successful.
[01:41:44]  Yeah, when we sell it, we're going to pay taxes fair and square.
[01:41:46]  And the profits we make, we pay taxes fair and square.
[01:41:48]  Yeah, but it's not fair that you're rich.
[01:41:50]  What do you mean I'm rich?
[01:41:51]  I don't have this money, it's now built a business.
[01:41:54]  That business is worth millions of dollars.
[01:41:56]  Well, you better go get some loans or go figure out how to give us a percent of it.
[01:41:59]  They want you to pay that.
[01:42:01]  That business hasn't even been sold, it just represents value.
[01:42:04]  And so this is asset seizure, Pat.
[01:42:06]  This is asset seizure on a socialist Marxist way.
[01:42:09]  And you're seeing people such as a small startup like this looking at it and going, oh my gosh, it's not just the billionaires, it's everybody.
[01:42:18]  Adam.
[01:42:20]  Stupid, stupid, stupid.
[01:42:21]  These people just do not learn from what socialism happens.
[01:42:24]  Do you remember when Europe tried this and France and Sweden and they kicked out all their capitalists and entrepreneurs?
[01:42:29]  And, like, oh my God, we lost all our revenue generation.
[01:42:32]  And they quickly reversed course.
[01:42:34]  You cannot tax your way to prosperity because what rich people have are assets, cars, planes, boats.
[01:42:42]  And you know what they're going to do with them?
[01:42:44]  They're going to get the hell out of town.
[01:42:46]  This whole concept that we're villainizing and demonizing entrepreneurs, business owners, capitalists where do we think this is going to end up?
[01:42:54]  We already have a progressive tax in the country that already.
[01:42:57]  Uh, the richest people already pay the most taxes.
[01:43:00]  Now, you want to tax them more at some point, you know, that the whole concept with Ben, Ben, Bren, then they're going to break, they're just going to leave.
[01:43:06]  I'll give you one quick story.
[01:43:07]  I remember there was a nightlife club in Miami.
[01:43:09]  I know you're going to be shocked that I'm bringing up nightlife in Miami.
[01:43:12]  Yeah, here we go.
[01:43:13]  And the owner goes, You know what?
[01:43:14]  I'm sick of uh doing the bottle service and catering to like the richest people.
[01:43:19]  I want to make this bar about everybody, and we're going to give five dollar well drinks, and we're basically not going to be doing bottle service anymore, and basically, we're just going to cater to the everyman.
[01:43:28]  You know what happened.
[01:43:30]  All the rich ballers, the people that are popping bottles, the people that got money, the people that are buying bottles in the club with the sparklers, they go, Yeah, we're just going to go to a different club that's more fun, that likes us, that appreciates our money.
[01:43:44]  We're dropping $5,000, $10,000.
[01:43:47]  You want to bring the riffraffs in.
[01:43:49]  One year later, the club is ghetto.
[01:43:52]  It's basically shut down, it's on its last leg.
[01:43:55]  And I remember thinking, This is what happens.
[01:43:57]  We don't value the customers because they will go someplace else.
[01:44:01]  I know there's other clubs.
[01:44:02]  Or states in this analogy that they're gonna go to, like Florida, like Texas, like Nevada, and they're gonna get out of these big blue dumb cities.
[01:44:11]  This is the, Vinny, this is the biggest thing why this is a bad idea.
[01:44:14]  This idea could have worked in the 70s, not today.
[01:44:18]  And here's why.
[01:44:19]  Do you know in the 70s, when you think about SP 500, our money was tied to SP 500, okay?
[01:44:25]  So the people who ran these companies in the 70s, what percentage of it do you think was physical assets?
[01:44:34]  Okay.
[01:44:34]  Tom knows the answer to this question.
[01:44:37]  Of all the companies that you own, physical that you have a hard time leaving, so real estate or physical assets, what percentage was tied to physical assets?
[01:44:46]  Tom, what do you think it was?
[01:44:48]  In the 70s?
[01:44:49]  In the 70s.
[01:44:50]  It was in excess of 80%.
[01:44:52]  Exactly.
[01:44:52]  Oil companies, auto companies, factories.
[01:44:55]  You can't lease steel.
[01:44:56]  You cannot leave.
[01:44:57]  It's like, I can't leave.
[01:44:59]  Do you know what the number is today?
[01:45:00]  Do you know what the number is today?
[01:45:02]  10%.
[01:45:03]  Wow.
[01:45:04]  It's 10 to 15% today.
[01:45:06]  It's real estate or hard assets.
[01:45:07]  So, no, it's all digital, non tangible assets.
[01:45:11]  So, it means it's all digital.
[01:45:12]  I can move anywhere.
[01:45:13]  Yeah.
[01:45:13]  So, wait, you don't want me?
[01:45:14]  No problem.
[01:45:15]  I'll move.
[01:45:15]  The days of me being like, come on, please, because it's real estate, because it's all.
[01:45:20]  No, I'm at it.
[01:45:21]  Can you verify this, Rob, to see what percentage of.
[01:45:23]  So, this is the one thing everybody is missing.
[01:45:27]  There's only one thing there is left for them to do.
[01:45:29]  Only one thing left for them to do, and they haven't done it yet.
[01:45:32]  And they're going to.
[01:45:32]  This is my prediction.
[01:45:33]  They're going to go into this because their accountants are going to sit there and.
[01:45:39]  Okay, right there.
[01:45:40]  Look at that.
[01:45:40]  Go a little bit lower, Rob.
[01:45:42]  Go a little bit lower.
[01:45:42]  Right there.
[01:45:43]  Look at that.
[01:45:43]  1975.
[01:45:44]  83% was tangible assets.
[01:45:47]  17% is intangible.
[01:45:49]  Look at it today.
[01:45:50]  8% is tangible.
[01:45:52]  You can't do shit today.
[01:45:53]  Wow.
[01:45:54]  Go ahead.
[01:45:54]  Tax me.
[01:45:55]  Go.
[01:45:56]  Make me leave.
[01:45:57]  What are you going to send me?
[01:45:58]  Do you understand what this means?
[01:46:00]  I'll take my wife to Florida.
[01:46:02]  And it's happening.
[01:46:02]  Of course, Sergey Brin's like, I'm going to take my wife anywhere.
[01:46:05]  You can push you.
[01:46:06]  So, you know how scarier even this is?
[01:46:08]  I can take my world to any country.
[01:46:11]  That's bad.
[01:46:11]  If I wanted to leave, right?
[01:46:13]  Because it's what?
[01:46:14]  It is intangible versus tangible.
[01:46:17]  So, what is the only thing they have left that they're going to do, that they can do, that they're going to eventually end up doing?
[01:46:23]  You know what's the only thing?
[01:46:24]  Tom, it's the only thing is the exit tax.
[01:46:27]  And they're not fully there yet.
[01:46:29]  No state in America fully has an exit tax.
[01:46:32]  Rob, can you check this?
[01:46:34]  What states in America have a full on exit tax?
[01:46:36]  California, kind of.
[01:46:38]  And New York's trying.
[01:46:39]  New York said he's trying.
[01:46:40]  Those are the two states that they're trying.
[01:46:42]  It is.
[01:46:42]  It's kind of like what Canada has.
[01:46:44]  Like when you leave, no state currently has an exit tax.
[01:46:47]  So you know what these idiots are going to learn?
[01:46:48]  They're going to say, let me get this straight.
[01:46:50]  As of 2026, the state is considering a billion dollar tax or whatever, 5% or a billion dollars.
[01:46:54]  You see what that says, right?
[01:46:55]  Additionally, a proposed wealth tax could apply to residents with a net worth of 30 million plus with a potential liability of what?
[01:47:00]  Up to 10 years.
[01:47:02]  They're going to realize in an era where only 8% of the wealth is tied to tangible, 92% is tied to intangible.
[01:47:10]  They're going to say the only thing we can do now is an exit tax.
[01:47:13]  You leave, 5% exit tax.
[01:47:16]  Walk me through the mechanics.
[01:47:17]  This is mind blowing.
[01:47:18]  Because just follow the money here.
[01:47:20]  90% of assets in the 70s were tangible.
[01:47:23]  You had to work with politicians.
[01:47:25]  Politicians owned you in the 70s.
[01:47:27]  They don't today because of technology.
[01:47:29]  So, what would an exit tax essentially do?
[01:47:31]  And how did it work?
[01:47:31]  Here's what an exit tax would do.
[01:47:32]  And I'm telling you, I'm giving them the playbook, but I'm telling you, they're going to come to your city and it's going to be on the ballot.
[01:47:38]  Because you know what they're going to say?
[01:47:39]  I don't even know why they did this.
[01:47:41]  They just have to go.
[01:47:41]  You know, in a movie, Hangover says, you never go full.
[01:47:45]  You're not Hangover.
[01:47:46]  It's Tropic Thunder.
[01:47:47]  Tropic Thunder.
[01:47:48]  Yeah.
[01:47:49]  So, they're going to go full exit tax.
[01:47:51]  Okay.
[01:47:52]  Never go full exit tax.
[01:47:52]  And they're going to.
[01:47:53]  Never go full wealth tax.
[01:47:54]  And you know what happens when they do full exit tax?
[01:47:57]  Here's what happens.
[01:47:58]  Hey.
[01:47:58]  You were 250.
[01:48:00]  If you really want to get a communistic idea or socialistic idea, you had a 5% exit tax for anybody that's worth over a billion dollars.
[01:48:09]  It will go through in every blue state.
[01:48:12]  They'll do this in New York.
[01:48:13]  They'll do this in California.
[01:48:14]  They'll do this in Illinois.
[01:48:16]  They'll do this in all these states like Washington, thinking, oh, we got them.
[01:48:21]  We got them.
[01:48:22]  You morons.
[01:48:24]  8% is tangible.
[01:48:27]  I'm leaving to all the socialist communists.
[01:48:30]  That are thinking they're gonna get these guys.
[01:48:33]  They're gonna get their asses handed to them.
[01:48:35]  And I think the one that's gonna break the back, the camel's back, this is bad, but it's gonna be the 5% exit tax that they do.
[01:48:44]  Once they do that, it's not gonna be, I don't think anybody's gonna leave.
[01:48:48]  Oh, really?
[01:48:49]  Okay, I dare you, Newsom.
[01:48:52]  I dare you, Hoko.
[01:48:53]  Go ahead and put an exit tax, see what happens to your state.
[01:48:56]  I dare to everybody that's trying to put this billionaire tax that stays there, these people are going to leave.
[01:49:03]  But what they're going to want to do long term, you'll see in the next 5, 10, 15 years, just like right now, ruling came out, Rob.
[01:49:09]  Can you pull this up?
[01:49:10]  They're talking about we need to raise the minimum wage from $7.25 to $25 an hour.
[01:49:14]  It just went to Congress.
[01:49:15]  This just went to Congress, Rob.
[01:49:17]  If I'm not mistaken, am I saying it correctly or no?
[01:49:19]  Yeah.
[01:49:19]  Is this the story?
[01:49:20]  Yes, sir.
[01:49:20]  Go ahead, Rob.
[01:49:21]  30 seconds.
[01:49:21]  Watch this, folks.
[01:49:23]  Legislation being introduced in Congress to raise the federal minimum wage for the first time since the year 2009.
[01:49:31]  The bill looks to raise the minimum wage to $25 an hour.
[01:49:35]  From the current 725.
[01:49:38]  The bill would work in steps for large employees to pay that rate by 2031.
[01:49:43]  So check this out.
[01:49:45]  So check this out.
[01:49:46]  Who do you think doesn't care about this bill?
[01:49:49]  Amazon.
[01:49:50]  Who do you think doesn't care about this bill?
[01:49:52]  Walmart.
[01:49:53]  Who else?
[01:49:54]  Apple, Nvidia.
[01:49:56]  I don't know.
[01:49:56]  Name them.
[01:49:57]  IBM.
[01:49:58]  Keep going.
[01:49:59]  They don't care about this bill.
[01:50:00]  You know who does?
[01:50:02]  Mary John's liquor store that's been in the family for 58 years in Toledo.
[01:50:08]  Okay, in Hope, Arkansas.
[01:50:10]  How the hell is somebody that's running a smaller market in Hope, Arkansas, gonna afford to pay all their employees $25 an hour?
[01:50:17]  How?
[01:50:18]  That's $50,000 a year salary.
[01:50:20]  These are the dumb ideas that they come up with, thinking they're helping the average person, and all they're doing is helping the big business out.
[01:50:28]  Because a big business owner can't afford it.
[01:50:30]  You ever wonder, we used to have 14,000 banks in America, give or take.
[01:50:33]  You know what we got right now?
[01:50:34]  4,000.
[01:50:35]  One by one by one, they're getting picked up.
[01:50:37]  We used to have 50 something military contractors outside of just Boeing, General Dynamics.
[01:50:43]  We had 50 something plus.
[01:50:44]  What do we got right now?
[01:50:45]  Five to seven?
[01:50:46]  Nationalize the hell out of it.
[01:50:48]  We had all these places that we used to go to.
[01:50:51]  Pharmaceutical.
[01:50:52]  Now, buy them out, buy them out.
[01:50:54]  How?
[01:50:54]  Dumb regulation like this.
[01:50:56]  So, I predict they're going to come out with exit tax, and that'll be the way to control them because what they truly want to do to these billionaires is if you leave, you owe us the money.
[01:51:06]  Without us, you would have never made this money.
[01:51:09]  That's coming to a blue state near you.
[01:51:12]  But this intangible, tangible part that no one thinks about changes the game.
[01:51:16]  It's not going to work because anybody can move today.
[01:51:19]  It's not a big deal for people to move in 2026.
[01:51:21]  It's not like for people to move in 1976.
[01:51:23]  Of course.
[01:51:24]  Especially if you have digital, you have crypto, you have uncorrelated assets.
[01:51:28]  About this minimum wage thing, this really pisses me off.
[01:51:32]  Because if you do it state by state, which is basically how this works, every state has their minimum wage, you go federal.
[01:51:38]  Do you know what this is going to do to the average red state out there?
[01:51:40]  Look at Alabama, look at Mississippi, look at Tennessee, where they're paying the kid making pizza, the kid scooping ice cream, 10 bucks, 12 bucks, 15 bucks.
[01:51:49]  Now you're going to universally condemn everybody and say everyone in America has to pay the prices because you big blue cities.
[01:51:54]  Can't get it together.
[01:51:56]  So, you know what's going to happen?
[01:51:57]  It's almost like they don't even know the next move.
[01:52:01]  Your happy meal is $29.95.
[01:52:06]  Pizza, pizza, $38 for a pizza pie.
[01:52:09]  Sushi, $99.
[01:52:11]  Everything is going to go up.
[01:52:13]  Supply and demand here.
[01:52:14]  You raise the prices, you raise the cost of labor, then people are going to end up paying.
[01:52:19]  Exactly.
[01:52:19]  By the way, it's so stupid.

=== Ridiculous Price Increases (04:17) ===

[01:52:20]  I'm going to give a quick shout.
[01:52:21]  We rarely do this and we should do it more often.
[01:52:23]  YFrost13 has been a member with us for 47 months.
[01:52:26]  He says tacos and pupusas will be $9.95.
[01:52:30]  Three tacos for $30.
[01:52:31]  He's right.
[01:52:32]  Exactly.
[01:52:32]  That's where it's going.
[01:52:33]  I don't know what pupusas are, but sign me up.
[01:52:34]  Well, the pupusas are great.
[01:52:36]  You had pupusas, you had a smile on your face.
[01:52:38]  Or it's El Salvadorian.
[01:52:39]  I don't know.
[01:52:40]  While we're going through this, do you want to go through another horrible idea?
[01:52:43]  You know how they say the donkey of the week?
[01:52:44]  We're going to do the worst idea of the week?
[01:52:46]  Donkey of the week.
[01:52:47]  Watch what happened with Norway.
[01:52:49]  Rob, pull up this story.
[01:52:50]  It's on folks.
[01:52:52]  Blood pressure.
[01:52:53]  Oh, no.
[01:52:54]  Control it.
[01:52:54]  No, here I go.
[01:52:55]  No, no, Vinny.
[01:52:56]  I'm telling your blood pressure is about to go up.
[01:52:57]  I didn't see that.
[01:52:58]  So take some, what do you call it?
[01:53:00]  Ivermectin, whatever.
[01:53:02]  My Lazar.
[01:53:04]  Blood pressure medicine.
[01:53:05]  It fixes everything.
[01:53:06]  Watch this.
[01:53:07]  Watch this here, folks.
[01:53:08]  Brace for impact.
[01:53:09]  You're about to get very, very upset and annoyed by this.
[01:53:14]  So, a Syrian gets just six months in jail for raping a three year old Norwegian girl, 13 year old Norwegian girl, after court cites his low IQ.
[01:53:24]  What?
[01:53:24]  Did you?
[01:53:25]  Okay, so let me break this down for you.
[01:53:26]  Never go full on.
[01:53:27]  Rape is now legal in Norway if you're from a low IQ country.
[01:53:32]  A Syrian migrant who raped a 13 year old girl.
[01:53:35]  In a bike shed, he gets just six months in prison because the court decided that this low IQ and reduced understanding of reality made him no more developed than his victim.
[01:53:46]  Did you just understand this idea that they have in Norway?
[01:53:51]  So, this guy, whose name is Abdel Moneim, Abdel Razak Al Yosef, rolled into Norway from Syria, met the girl in Trosmo City Center last September, assaulted her on a Park bench, then dragged her to a scheduled bike shed near the harbor terminal and raped her like an animal.
[01:54:14]  He lied, denied even meeting her until his semen was found and matched.
[01:54:19]  Then he admitted meeting her, but claimed no sex.
[01:54:23]  The court bought enough evidence, bought enough of his excuses to let him walk after a year behind bars, thanks to a new law that scrapped the old three year minimum for rape.
[01:54:36]  This is the compassion looks like in Europe now importing predators and then crying about their low IQ while little girls get destroyed.
[01:54:45]  Okay?
[01:54:46]  Get destroyed.
[01:54:47]  This is from a guy named Joey.
[01:54:49]  Uh, Manarino, who tweeted this, and you can read the story here as well.
[01:54:52]  While I'm reading this tweet, I'm texting Humberto Rab, I'm saying, Is this true?
[01:54:55]  Is this really true?
[01:54:56]  Yes, that's the whole thing.
[01:54:58]  One assessment estimated that his IQ is at 41, although a later report put it in a range of 64 to 75.
[01:55:04]  Vinny, your thoughts on this?
[01:55:05]  I'm I don't even have any words to say that this is this is exactly the playbook that this everybody like every freaking place in Europe is doing the same stupid mentality and they're bowing down because they let all these people come in.
[01:55:20]  Pat, what was the Pakistani rape gangs?
[01:55:23]  You know why they didn't go after them?
[01:55:24]  You know why they said publicly, we cannot go after them because we're going to look like we are racist.
[01:55:30]  So forget about all the young girls that are freaking lives are destroyed because you don't want to look or be perceived as racist.
[01:55:39]  You're not going after this.
[01:55:40]  And then you have this.
[01:55:41]  Well, because he's stupid, he's stupid, you can go rape.
[01:55:45]  God bless you.
[01:55:46]  And then what's next?
[01:55:47]  Murder?
[01:55:47]  Oh, I don't know that I'm stupid that I can't kill people.
[01:55:52]  And it's ridiculous, Pat.
[01:55:53]  This whole mentality that's stupid.
[01:55:55]  What is that, Rob?
[01:55:55]  Is that where he.
[01:55:57]  This is the Norwegian reporting of the same article.
[01:56:00]  I just translated it to English, but it's the same thing.
[01:56:05]  My mind is boggled that the citizens of this place aren't doing more to rise up.
[01:56:12]  This would be, God forbid, it would never happen.
[01:56:15]  If this type of stuff was allowed here, Pat, Americans, patriots would go freaking nuts.
[01:56:20]  This would not happen in Poland or US.
[01:56:22]  No, absolutely.
[01:56:23]  I agree.
[01:56:24]  Oh, Poland, forget about it.
[01:56:25]  But it's ridiculous because I guarantee you the majority of these people.
[01:56:28]  Aren't armed, they can't do nothing, and they have to sit there and let their freaking children get raped, raped, and let go because the guy's an idiot.
[01:56:35]  Tom.
[01:56:36]  Unbelievable.

=== Common Sense Precedents (05:50) ===

[01:56:37]  Well, we know who values human life and who doesn't.
[01:56:41]  And Marxist socialists, and people say, ah, you know, Norway's not Marxist.
[01:56:46]  Yeah.
[01:56:47]  Socialist and liberal apologists do not value human life.
[01:56:52]  Period.
[01:56:55]  The innocent young girl is not valued, is not protected.
[01:57:00]  This is the case for.
[01:57:03]  Chemical castration.
[01:57:04]  This is the case for institutionalization because, unfortunately, wherever this guy came from, and I say unfortunately and tragically, whatever happened to him in his life, whatever it was, inbreeding, you know, a head injury, we don't know.
[01:57:18]  Whatever it's led to him being this way, he's unfit to be part of society.
[01:57:24]  So you have to chemically castrate him and put him in an institution.
[01:57:28]  There's no other choice.
[01:57:29]  And you have to take care of him in there in a place where he can't hurt others.
[01:57:34]  And hurt others is what they don't care about.
[01:57:36]  They don't care about that.
[01:57:37]  Because it's fashionable to take all the conservatives that want the foundational things.
[01:57:45]  And what is that?
[01:57:46]  Law and order, family, a stable society, all of that.
[01:57:53]  All of those people are wealthy.
[01:57:54]  All of those people are bad.
[01:57:56]  It's all of the Marxist thing we have to overthrow it.
[01:57:59]  And as long as their mindset is socialist overthrow, Marxist overthrow, then this is just the tip of the iceberg.
[01:58:06]  This is just basics.
[01:58:08]  And let me tell you something.
[01:58:09]  If you're not paying attention when you're at the American ballot box and you don't see the kind of things are happening and you don't think that courts are doing this right now and you don't think that there's a lack of persecution in places like Dearborn, Michigan, you're not paying attention.
[01:58:23]  If you're not paying attention to individualized laws that they want to give Sharia law inside the boundary of a small city that they're trying to create as a zone in Texas, then you're not paying attention.
[01:58:36]  You're simply not paying attention.
[01:58:39]  Norway, no way.
[01:58:40]  This is the definition of suicidal empathy, and this is a horrible precedent.
[01:58:44]  So let me get this straight.
[01:58:45]  Because someone's stupid, you're just willing to give them a pass.
[01:58:49]  This is the definition of the soft bigotry of low expectations.
[01:58:53]  This is, you know, so you got Forrest Albu Bakar Gump out here, just out there, hide your wife, hide your kids, because he's out there graping everybody, and you're giving him six months for a Syrian refugee in Norway who raped a 13 year old, six months in jail.
[01:59:09]  Let me tell you the dangerous precedent this sends.
[01:59:10]  Because if you're just basically going to not throw stupid ass people in jail, talk about low IQ, low IQ individuals, talk about inbreeding and cousin marriages.
[01:59:21]  Here's the fear this guy's from Syria.
[01:59:24]  What do all these countries have in common?
[01:59:25]  Syria, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Yemen, Afghanistan, as much as 30 to 60% of their population marries their cousin.
[01:59:35]  What happens when you have inbreeding and marrying your cousin?
[01:59:38]  Oh, you might have a couple missing chromosomes.
[01:59:40]  Oh, you might not know what's going on.
[01:59:43]  Oh, You might be stupid.
[01:59:44]  And now you're going to be so stupid in Norway that you're going to be like, oh, he doesn't know any better.
[01:59:50]  Let Al Mubakar Basarata Wata just go out there and rape people?
[01:59:54]  Yeah, that's his name.
[01:59:55]  This is what's going on here in Norway?
[01:59:57]  No way.
[01:59:58]  I'm very curious and I want to know, like, give me, Pat, please give me the mindset of the people that are like the courts and all these people that would even fathom saying, okay, he's stupid, reduce his sentence and let him leave.
[02:00:13]  Meaning, everybody in Europe.
[02:00:15]  Remember in Hamburg, the rape gang?
[02:00:17]  A bunch of guys kept coming to the park to rape this girl.
[02:00:21]  None of the.
[02:00:22]  But in court, you know who got the most time in jail?
[02:00:26]  A girl that found him online and called him a rapist pig.
[02:00:30]  She did more time for calling him out.
[02:00:32]  I don't know.
[02:00:33]  Wait, I want to know Pat's opinion.
[02:00:34]  They don't know any better.
[02:00:35]  How are you letting them know?
[02:00:36]  Respect their culture.
[02:00:37]  Respect their culture.
[02:00:38]  A part of what you're saying, Vinny, is the reason why we do what we do on a daily basis.
[02:00:44]  I can't tell you how many people walk up and they say, Hey, just want you to know.
[02:00:49]  And especially right now, more than ever before, people walking up and saying, Hey, I just want to say thank you.
[02:00:54]  And by the way, they're international, they're all over the world.
[02:00:57]  I just want to say thank you for what you guys are talking about.
[02:01:00]  Because some of these countries don't have a voice and they can't talk about it, but they still have YouTube open in these countries.
[02:01:06]  This is exactly why we do what we do, why media and messaging matters.
[02:01:12]  Because to you, it's common sense.
[02:01:14]  To billions of families, it's common sense.
[02:01:17]  But to some of the people that are political people that are super tolerant and, you know, hey, we got to have sympathy for these guys.
[02:01:24]  We got to, you know, you don't know what it is to be dumb, Vinny.
[02:01:28]  If you were dumb, you know, we can't judge you for behavior like that because your IQ is low.
[02:01:33]  They're going to do this stuff and they're going to hurt so many people not knowing it.
[02:01:37]  And messaging and media matters for this exact reason.
[02:01:39]  Let me do a couple other stories and then we'll wrap up.
[02:01:42]  By the way, the two stories we'll do, they're good stories I'm going to get into here in a minute.
[02:01:46]  FYI, do you know how many people have already taken a survey?
[02:01:49]  Do you know how many people have already taken a survey?
[02:01:50]  11,000 people.
[02:01:52]  Huh?
[02:01:52]  11,000.
[02:01:53]  1100 people.
[02:01:54]  We are right now.
[02:01:55]  No, It's at 2,700 people.
[02:01:59]  Stop it.
[02:01:59]  Yes.
[02:02:00]  Holy moly.
[02:02:01]  2,700 people have already taken a survey, and it's probably at 3,000 already, and I'm behind on the.
[02:02:06]  Guys, we appreciate you.
[02:02:07]  Thank you for doing this.
[02:02:08]  The fact that you're doing the survey, each gets a $25 gift card.
[02:02:13]  And again, we're going to possibly contact the people that give thorough analysis, thorough feedback and analysis instead of just doing the simple surveys that you do.
[02:02:22]  You complete it, we're giving you $25.
[02:02:24]  But we want people a $25 gift card to VTMerch.com.

=== Cuba Trip Survey Results (09:48) ===

[02:02:28]  Go pick up whatever you want to do from there.
[02:02:29]  You just dropped $60,000 on these guys.
[02:02:31]  No, it's $60,000.
[02:02:32]  You're talking about $2,700 times $25,000.
[02:02:34]  Yeah, $60,000.
[02:02:35]  Well, by tomorrow, it's probably going to be $200,000, $300,000.
[02:02:39]  Yeah, for real.
[02:02:39]  Hey, let me get this survey going.
[02:02:41]  No, we want surveys.
[02:02:43]  Fire Adam.
[02:02:44]  Yeah, I got it.
[02:02:44]  We want feedback from people to see what you can get together.
[02:02:48]  I didn't realize that you're giving everybody $25 gift cards.
[02:02:50]  Everybody that completes the survey gets a $25 gift card.
[02:02:54]  Did you expect 2,000, 2,500 people to sign?
[02:02:56]  I said to Umberto this morning, I gave the number.
[02:02:58]  I said, it's either going to be a low number or it's going to be a very, very high number.
[02:03:01]  You're going to end up paying $100,000 to our people.
[02:03:03]  No problem.
[02:03:04]  Feedback's worth it.
[02:03:04]  Coming out of your paycheck.
[02:03:05]  Anyway, feedback is worth it.
[02:03:08]  So, we're going the other way.
[02:03:10]  The federal government's going to 25.
[02:03:11]  We're going to 375 an hour.
[02:03:14]  Effective next month.
[02:03:14]  Reverse wealth tax.
[02:03:16]  Entrance tax.
[02:03:17]  Yeah, but we're going to put camps and different places you can sleep here so we'll save on rent.
[02:03:20]  Perfect.
[02:03:21]  All right, let's get to it.
[02:03:22]  So, again, thank you for everybody that's doing this.
[02:03:24]  It means a lot, and we appreciate the feedback.
[02:03:27]  And we can't wait to go through it, seeing the reasonable answers.
[02:03:29]  I'm sure there's going to be some that are having fun with it, but we want reasonable answers and argument on why.
[02:03:35]  Okay.
[02:03:37]  Cuba, Trump.
[02:03:39]  They extend the sanctions, not making it easier, okay?
[02:03:42]  Rubio's apparently going to be leading this case with Cuba, which makes sense.
[02:03:46]  Rob, what page is that on there, dude?
[02:03:47]  Page 10?
[02:03:48]  Trump teases US will be taking over Cuba almost immediately.
[02:03:52]  Is this it, Rob?
[02:03:52]  Yes, sir.
[02:03:53]  Go for it.
[02:03:55]  An architect who's really talented, he's done a lot of work for him.
[02:03:58]  He's got a flair, a beautiful Hispanic flair in particular.
[02:04:03]  And he comes from originally a place called Cuba, which we will be taking over almost immediately.
[02:04:11]  No, Cuba's.
[02:04:13]  Cuba's got problems.
[02:04:16]  We'll finish one first.
[02:04:17]  I like to finish a job.
[02:04:19]  On the way back from what we'll do, on the way back from Iran, we'll have one of our big, maybe the USS Abraham Lincoln aircraft carrier, the biggest in the world.
[02:04:30]  We'll have that come in, stop about 100 yards offshore.
[02:04:35]  And they'll say, Thank you very much.
[02:04:36]  We give up.
[02:04:42]  Top, you're loving this.
[02:04:43]  Why?
[02:04:44]  Well, because you know what?
[02:04:46]  I'll tell you.
[02:04:50]  I went to high school down here, the last two years of high school.
[02:04:52]  People know I was in Boca Raton, then I went back to LA, California, where I was born.
[02:04:57]  And what was interesting is at that time, I remember meeting people that were from Cuba.
[02:05:04]  And these were fellow classmates.
[02:05:08]  And they told me about their parents and grandparents.
[02:05:10]  And they told me about Castro.
[02:05:11]  And they told me also about the Murillo boat lift, of which was a Lightly featured and reflected on at the beginning of the movie Scarface, where all people came here.
[02:05:23]  And these people have lived in Cuba that have been stuck there, unable to leave.
[02:05:30]  It's been horrible.
[02:05:31]  And I've been looking forward to a day where Cuba would have freedom.
[02:05:34]  So people that were here that I spoke to that said, I wish I could go there see an aunt.
[02:05:39]  I wish I could go there see an uncle.
[02:05:40]  And you probably have lots of friends like this, Adam, in Miami.
[02:05:44]  Says, I wish we could go back there.
[02:05:45]  Well, my grandma can't get out, but everybody's there.
[02:05:48]  It's not great, but she doesn't really want to.
[02:05:51]  You know, leave.
[02:05:51]  And what I see in here, it's time to turn the page on Castro's Cuba and see if we can give freedom and trade and tourism between Cuba and the United States.
[02:06:06]  And I hope it happens.
[02:06:08]  Now, do I want it to happen at the barrel of a gun?
[02:06:10]  No.
[02:06:12]  But does it need to happen with maybe some impending threat, like, hey, I think it's time you got your act together and we'd like to do this?
[02:06:20]  I like it.
[02:06:21]  What I like to see.
[02:06:22]  Cuba, similar to Puerto Rico, where people could come and go and we would provide some protection to it?
[02:06:28]  Sure, I would.
[02:06:29]  Do I want it to be suddenly a sinkhole of US dollar and foreign aid that just goes into a hole?
[02:06:38]  No, I don't want to see that.
[02:06:40]  But I think it sits there 90 miles.
[02:06:42]  You can go to the end of Key West at the southernmost point in America.
[02:06:46]  There's this big concrete, like a buoy that stands there.
[02:06:51]  It's like this monument.
[02:06:52]  And then it says Southernmost Point.
[02:06:54]  And right at the bottom of it, It says on one side, it says 90 miles to Cuba.
[02:06:58]  There it is.
[02:07:00]  There it is.
[02:07:00]  Been standing down there.
[02:07:01]  People take pictures of this, Pat, whenever they're down there.
[02:07:04]  90 miles to Cuba.
[02:07:06]  So 90 miles from freedom, people have been down there.
[02:07:09]  And I'd like to see it happen.
[02:07:11]  And I'd like to see it happen in a methodical way that gives opportunity to those people and they could develop.
[02:07:16]  Because $40 a gallon embargoed gas that you only pay for if you desperately need it right now is not a way to go.
[02:07:24]  And I think it's time that we said enough.
[02:07:27]  You know, we're going to help you and we're going to bring these people.
[02:07:29]  So many families, so many citizens are here in Miami.
[02:07:34]  I like to see it happen, but I want it to be methodical and I want them to have opportunity.
[02:07:38]  Adam.
[02:07:39]  Look, I love Cuban.
[02:07:40]  I love the Cubans people.
[02:07:41]  I call myself Juban because I grew up in Miami and I'm Jewish and basically speak Spanish.
[02:07:46]  Shout out to Mi gente in Miami and in Cuba.
[02:07:49]  Cuba's on its last leg and I would love to see Trump finish the job.
[02:07:53]  And I think Marco Rubio is going to be the guy that basically puts the nail in the coffin.
[02:07:57]  Look, You know, I take my Ubers every single day.
[02:08:00]  Every day, it's either a Cuban driver or a Venezuelan driver.
[02:08:05]  And I ask them the same thing.
[02:08:06]  It's the same question.
[02:08:08]  And I joke with them.
[02:08:08]  I go, hey, Fidel, communism, bueno?
[02:08:12]  And the guy driving looks back and goes, no, muy malo.
[02:08:17]  I go, no, perfecto, communista, solo socialismo, es muy bueno.
[02:08:22]  Hey, hey, no, it's no good.
[02:08:24]  It's no good.
[02:08:25]  And I'm joking with him, like, no, socialism's good.
[02:08:28]  Fidel is good.
[02:08:29]  One guy goes, Hey, you got to get out of my car.
[02:08:31]  I go, I'm sorry, sir.
[02:08:32]  You know, I have my.
[02:08:33]  And then he got out and he took a crap on the freeway.
[02:08:36]  I give my American flagpin.
[02:08:38]  Not one, and I kid you not, not one Cuban I know, and I know thousands in Miami, not one goes, Oh, bro, we love what Fidel Castro has done to Cuba.
[02:08:49]  Not one.
[02:08:50]  Every single person wants America to finish the job.
[02:08:54]  Cuba deserves better.
[02:08:56]  Rob, I don't know if we have 10 seconds.
[02:08:57]  I went to Cuba for Keith's Bachelor Party.
[02:08:59]  This is the second Keith shout out today.
[02:09:01]  When I talk about a city crumbling, this is the downtown center of the city.
[02:09:07]  Look at these buildings.
[02:09:09]  There's a couple other pictures here.
[02:09:10]  They're living in the 50s.
[02:09:12]  Every single car that they have is a 1950s Thunderbird, or I don't know if Robbie, but anything you got.
[02:09:19]  So we can either do this with a carrot or with a stick.
[02:09:22]  Here's the.
[02:09:24]  Unfortunately, we might have to do it.
[02:09:25]  That's me with my driver and my bodyguard in the back.
[02:09:28]  Every car looks like this.
[02:09:30]  So if you're like, If you enjoy history and you want to see what it's like in the 1950s, go to Cuba.
[02:09:36]  This is their downtown capital under construction.
[02:09:39]  The whole place is falling apart.
[02:09:42]  They deserve better.
[02:09:44]  Let's get, no, that's something different.
[02:09:46]  Let's get a little capitalism and less socialism in Cuba.
[02:09:50]  Well, Libertad Cuba.
[02:09:52]  Listen, it's great.
[02:09:53]  A lot of things cooking.
[02:09:55]  If the president gets a lot of these deals done post World Cup, it's going to be a very difficult time for all his haters.
[02:10:04]  If he gets a lot of these things done post World Cup, it's going to be a very, very annoying season for all the people who hate him from the left, right, or the center.
[02:10:15]  They're going to be hating life for all the people that says, if he gets it done.
[02:10:19]  The keyboard is what?
[02:10:21]  If that's a heavy word, Vinny, that's a we'll see.
[02:10:24]  That's right, Tom.
[02:10:24]  That's a heavy word.
[02:10:25]  Cuba's more like a Venezuela, it's not Cuba's a lot easier, but listen, no, it's not Iran.
[02:10:30]  We will be going to Cuba soon.
[02:10:31]  I'm telling you right now, we'll be we're definitely going to Poland.
[02:10:33]  Okay, a lot of people are menacing me saying, Pat, I'm telling you, if you know, when I announce I'm going to Poland, I cannot tell you how many people message me saying there's no way you can go to Poland without inviting the audience.
[02:10:43]  So we may do something, okay, and go with a crew.
[02:10:48]  Like we may announce something for some of you guys that are stay close to us, but anyways, all the people that went out there and did the surveys.
[02:10:55]  And you filled out again, go to what is it, Rob?
[02:10:58]  Survey.vt.com.
[02:10:59]  Yes, sir.
[02:10:59]  Survey.vt.com.
[02:11:01]  We just crossed, I think, 3,000 of the people that are doing this.
[02:11:04]  Fantastic.
[02:11:05]  I can't wait to personally go through all this stuff myself with the team and see the results.
[02:11:09]  We've always been about outwork, out improve, out strategize, out last.
[02:11:12]  This is our out improve.
[02:11:15]  We want to find a way to improve ourselves.
[02:11:18]  And we know we have blind spots.
[02:11:19]  We know we have a lot of areas to get better on.
[02:11:22]  But we can't wait to hear the feedback from you guys.
[02:11:24]  Having said that, special story by Tim and Comedy, a special podcast.
[02:11:30]  Is about to go live if it isn't already live.
[02:11:32]  Going live in two minutes at 11 30.
[02:11:34]  How close are you to a million?
[02:11:36]  And that is Laura Trump on hot cakes and hot takes.
[02:11:43]  Amazing.
[02:11:44]  With Vinny.
[02:11:44]  Look at the veins on my neck.
[02:11:45]  Vinny, how close are you to a million?
[02:11:46]  I'm 9,000 away.
[02:11:47]  I want to thank you guys.
[02:11:48]  Come on, guys.
[02:11:49]  Help out there.
[02:11:50]  We are at 991,809 subs.
[02:11:54]  This is a very, very good conversation.
[02:11:56]  They had six secret servants come in, Pat.
[02:11:58]  They patted everybody.
[02:11:59]  They did a strip search for me and they literally laughed for 20 minutes.
[02:12:02]  What's crazy is your YouTube channel, GDP, is the equivalent to that of Cuba right now.
[02:12:07]  Yes.
[02:12:07]  So keep up the good work.
[02:12:08]  Yeah.
[02:12:08]  Yeah.
[02:12:09]  All right.
[02:12:09]  Yeah.
[02:12:10]  It's going live.
[02:12:10]  Loaded Rob put the link below.
[02:12:11]  With that being said, God bless everybody.
[02:12:13]  We got another podcast that'll come out tomorrow, and we'll do it again on Wednesday.
[02:12:15]  Take care.
[02:12:15]  Bye-bye.
[02:12:16]  Bye-bye.