PBD - Patrick Bet-David - USAID Corruption & Brazil's Elections w/ Nikolas Ferreira & Mike Benz | PBD Podcast

Feb. 24, 2025 - PBD - Patrick Bet-David

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USAID Corruption & Brazil's Elections w/ Nikolas Ferreira & Mike Benz | PBD Podcast | Ep. 550

Patrick Bet-David sits down with Nikolas Ferreira and Mike Benz to dissect the deep connections between USAID, Brazilian corruption, and the political battle between Lula and Bolsonaro. Ferreira, one of Brazil’s most outspoken conservative voices, exposes how foreign influence and NGOs may be shaping Brazil’s political landscape, while Benz, an expert in geopolitical strategy, unpacks the hidden power dynamics between Washington and Latin America. ---- 👕 PURCHASE THE VT BRAZIL COLLECTION: https://bit.ly/3BZbD6l 🖥️ REGISTER FOR THE MINNECT CIRCLES ECONOMY: https://bit.ly/4hVTkPK 📺 VOTE ON TRUMP'S FIRST 100 DAYS: https://bit.ly/4gXLioq 👕 GET THE LATEST VT MERCH: https://bit.ly/3BZbD6l 📕 PBD'S BOOK "THE ACADEMY": https://bit.ly/41rtEV4 📰 VTNEWS.AI: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3OExClZ 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON SPOTIFY: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g57zR2 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ITUNES: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ALL PLATFORMS: https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A 📱 CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4ikyEkC 👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3ZjWhB7 🎓 VALUETAINMENT UNIVERSITY: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3BfA5Qw 📺 JOIN THE CHANNEL: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or 💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! SUBSCRIBE TO: @VALUETAINMENT @ValuetainmentComedy @theunusualsuspectspodcast @bizdocpodcast ABOUT US: Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

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	Did you ever think you were made here?
	No, this life missed me.
	Adam, what you think?
	The future looks bright.
	You are a one-on-one?
	My son.
	I don't think I've ever said this before.
	Okay, we were going to go pre-recorded with this today.
	We decided to go live because we have two of the most important voices in the world today.
	One of them happens to be Alejandre de Moraz's best friend, Mike Benz, who is in the house today.
	For whatever reason, these two guys just really like each other.
	He always picks on him.
	And there's a lot going to be that's going to be exposed today.
	Mike said he's got material he's going to be sharing.
	He's never shared before.
	And if you know Mike, we've had him on.
	We were on together what, three, four, five months ago.
	And him talking about USAID, all these other conversations that's been had.
	And when I was with the president of Brazil, we showed a clip of his.
	The president reacted to it.
	There's a lot of people in Brazil right now are watching to see what he has to say.
	Some of the stories having to do with CIA possibly being involved with the coup and even, you know, pulling Bolsonaro aside, saying, hey, you better kind of play along with us, Lloyd Austin and others, or else, but I'll let him explain it to you.
	He knows it better than I do.
	And the other one is maybe, not even maybe, I can say he is the biggest superstar in all of Brazil.
	If you go to Brazil with him, you cannot walk the streets without people stopping him.
	We're in Brazil together eating pizza at this one place.
	I want to say four days ago, five days ago.
	This was just a few days ago, called Inferno.
	And while we're going there, we're having dinner left and right.
	Everybody gets excited to see the face of Nicolas Fejera.
	I want to say the proper way, Nicolas Fejera.
	Yeah, it's fine.
	Who has got these two books as well?
	We're going to put the links below.
	If there is, Rob, if you can find the links to these books, one of them is a parenting book, right?
	And the other one is about?
	Politicians and Christians.
	Right.
	So both of them are going to be there as well by Nicolas.
	It's great to have you on the podcast.
	Thank you, Patrick.
	For me, it's an honor.
	Thank you so much.
	Mike, how are you doing?
	Never been better.
	That's good.
	I'm excited for that.
	By the way, initially, it was just supposed to be us.
	Okay.
	Then I said, if we're going to have you on, we may as well also have Mike on because I want the Brazilian people.
	I want people around the world, Americans, Brazilian, to see this because Americans get a chance to see you.
	Brazilians get a chance to hear from Mike directly.
	Both audiences need to learn about each other and what's going on with Brazil.
	And we were at CPAC a couple days ago, two days ago.
	Eduardo Bolsonaro was there.
	He had a chance to speak.
	There was a lot of talks about Brazil.
	And then while we're there leaving, I kind of want a little bit of feedback from you here.
	An hour after we are done with the interview with Jairu Bolsonaro, we're sitting there.
	Hey, 38 years, coup, poisoning, Lula, you're seeing all that stuff being talked about.
	What can you tell us about what's going on there?
	So first of all, for me, it's an honor to be here, Patrick.
	Mike, thank you for what you're doing for Brazil.
	I talk about politics day by day in Brazil, but in Portuguese.
	So if I make any mistake here, I'm sorry.
	I'm trying to improve my English there.
	If I'm making a mistake, okay.
	So what's happening in Brazil?
	We have a Supreme Court.
	We are fighting against tyranny, a censorship, especially from Alexione de Moraes.
	And they try to silence the greatest leader of the right conservative wing in Brazil, that is Jair Bolsonaro.
	They say that he tried coup, that he tried to kill Lula and the vice president.
	But we know that the only one, the one candidate of presidential elections was Jays Bolsonaro.
	was stabbed in his belly by an ex-socialist affiliated party.
	And now they are trying to put him in jail for a fantasy coup.
	He was here in US when happened the 8th of January.
	People entering the Congress was a bad day for Brazil.
	But they are not any terrorists.
	They did, of course, some small crimes, but they are getting 17 years of jail.
	any other corrupted guy in Brazil, they get this for jail in Brazil for corruption, for robbery, for anything.
	So we know that they are doing this to these people because they were wearing green and yellow t-shirts.
	If they were using red, red in Brazil is for the Labor's Party, for the socialists.
	If they were using red, maybe red, they would be free right now.
	So they are persecuting us for everything we say.
	Like for now, I'm being sued because I said that Lula is a thief and he should be in jail.
	So we are facing a tyranny in Brazil.
	Can you say that right now?
	So the fact that you're saying he's a thief and he should be in jail, you flying back to Brazil, is there any risk for you that anything could happen or no?
	Yes, of course.
	Being sued criminal for saying that.
	Me as a deputy, I can say everything.
	And as all the Brazilians should say, though, but we are not able to say the truths in Brazil.
	Now, your story, for some people that don't know, Rob, if you can pull up the clip, you were telling me this when we were together, is this is you at 17 years old, right?
	This is a school where I think it's called PUC, POOC, if I'm not mistaken.
	Yeah, it's a Catholic university.
	And this is how he went viral.
	By the way, just so everybody knows, you know, Nicholas has got 17 plus million followers just on Instagram.
	He posts a clip on Instagram.
	It gets a million likes, not even a million views.
	This guy's the biggest sensation there while we're there walking around.
	Everyone saying he will be the president in the next eight years.
	And the people want him to become the president in eight years.
	But explain to us what happens here because this is where people learn about you.
	You're 17 years old in this clip.
	Yeah, so just to let you know, guys, I came from a very poor neighborhood in Brazil called Cabana.
	I don't have any politicians in my family.
	I think I was the first crazy one to enter in politics.
	And I am graduated in law by the Catholic University.
	And at the time of 2015, 2016, there was impeachment in Brazil that we took out Dilmas, ex-president.
	And then everyone went to the streets to go to the protests.
	And then, of course, me as a young guy, I did the same.
	But I started to post some videos in the internet and started to go viral.
	This one is the first one.
	In that stage, there was a lot of socialist leaders.
	And then I was working at my office and I heard that the one guy called Leonardo Bof, it's a guy that he, how can I say that?
	He put the socialism in the church, in the churches, the Catholic churches in Brazil.
	And then I heard that he wasn't there.
	I said, I got to say some things right to his face.
	But as a student, I couldn't.
	So I told a girl to come over.
	I said, I'm a huge fan of him.
	Please let me talk.
	And then she said, okay, you're a student.
	Okay, go there.
	Of course, she thought that I was a leftist.
	And then I said, I began saying, thank you so much.
	Thank you so much.
	Because of you, I'm not socialist.
	And I started to punch him with my words, of course.
	And then it went viral.
	And this was my first video that went viral because I was only 17, 18 years old.
	I was interim in the law, in the law.
	The school you're going to, is that like the compare?
	Is this a liberal school?
	Is this a far-left school or no?
	Yeah.
	So it is, but it shouldn't because it's a Catholic university, but it's very, it is a very liberal university.
	Rob, can you play that clip while he's?
	I mean, we're not going to understand what he's saying.
	I just want the audience to see when he walks up.
	I'm so skinny.
	Can you play that?
	That's important.
	So you're thanking him right now.
	I'm appreciating a side in my life.
	You made two interviews in 2003 saying that your theology is not necessarily Christian.
	In the second interview, that he said that communism was the worst thing in the world.
	A person said that, and he said that it was wrong.
	So how I know that how left is a hypocrite?
	You're saying this to his face.
	Yeah, I'm saying through his face.
	You can pause it right here, Rob.
	So you play this clip.
	This goes out.
	Is this the first time Brazil learned about you?
	Like prior to this, they don't know who you are.
	Yeah, I think it was the first time.
	First time.
	They didn't know who I was.
	And at this point, do you have any aspirations of getting into politics or not yet?
	No, I was only into the protests, making some videos, and I wasn't running for anything.
	I was just 18 years old.
	I couldn't even run for city councilor.
	You have to be 21.
	Got it.
	So, I mean, obviously, from there to now, with what's going on with Brazil.
	Mike, for you, when you started talking about, I think it was the clip that we played in the interview with Steve Bannon, where you're explaining the fact that, you know, what really is taking place in Brazil, the powers behind it.
	And I think even when you were with Joe, on Joe's, you explained the fact that they went to tell him Bolsonaro.
	I'll let you tell the story.
	What is the exchange, what how the U.S. was involved with the elections in Brazil?
	Well, are you referring when you say they went to tell Bolsonaro?
	Are you referring to the CIA director, Lloyd Austin?
	I actually can pull that up on screen.
	If you go to the slide deck, it'll be slides starting on slide 12.
	I can walk you through that.
	Go for it, Rob, if you can go through that right there.
	So this is the U.S. State Department.
	Yeah, if you can.
	Go to the slide.
	Just press view slideshow.
	There you go.
	So, and we'll go through this line by line here.
	But the U.S. State Department called in massive favors and leveraged personal connections to build voting machines for Lula-aligned Brazil officials.
	And then the CIA warned Bolsonaro not to warrant, not to mess with or cast doubt on all the new U.S. State Department secured voting machines determining his election.
	And if you go to the next slide and walk through this.
	So this is from the Financial Times.
	This piece is basically about, in fact, if you go to the slide after this first, what they say is this was a concerted but unannounced.
	So this was basically a covert action by the Biden White House, the Biden Pentagon, the Biden CIA, and the Biden State Department to fortify Brazil's election.
	So if you go back to the other one, the slide before.
	So the U.S. provided practical help in the election process to obtain components, especially semiconductors, needed to manufacture the new voting machines.
	The former U.S. ambassador to Brazil.
	So they are using shadow diplomacy here because they don't want their formal U.S. State Department fingerprints on it.
	They're going to the former U.S. ambassador in Brazil to leverage his personal connections with Taiwan Semiconductor and to leverage those connections, I'm sorry, inside of the Texas instruments to distinguish semiconductor needs and give priority.
	Now, we have a semiconductor shortage here in the U.S.
	They are diverting semiconductor chips that the U.S. needs and sending them to Brazil, a foreign country, to add voting machines that the democratically elected president of Brazil doesn't want.
	The U.S. State Department and some senior Brazilian officials also asked Taiwanese authorities to give priority to Brazil's need for semiconductors, which are used in the voting machines.
	And then, if you go to the next slides here, yeah.
	So then I say what's funny is both the 1964 military hunt in Brazil and the 2022 judicial junta in Brazil received direct help from the CIA to rise to power.
	And then if you go to the next one, you'll see CIA chief, this is Reuters, told Bolsonaro government not to mess with Brazil election.
	This is in May 2022.
	1964 is cool.
	Are you talking about the Sam?
	What is it?
	Brother Sam?
	Brother Sam?
	Yeah, yeah.
	But I want to just kind of close the loop on this because if you go to the next one, next slide.
	Yeah.
	So Bill Burns makes a personal voyage.
	This is months before the election even happens.
	We are now force-feeding Brazil electronic voting machines the elected president doesn't even want in the country.
	And so the State Department is doing that.
	Then we send in our covert action boys, the CIA, to say, don't you cast doubt.
	Look at the language, told Brazilian senior officials that President Bolsonaro should stop casting doubt on his country's voting system.
	It's not even his country's voting system.
	We sent the semiconductor chips to build that because Brazil didn't want them themselves.
	So we're putting the machines in there and then telling them, don't question the results of these machines.
	So go to the next one.
	So then, this is Austin Foreign Policy.
	A month after Bill Burns, it was the Pentagon Secretary, Lloyd Austin's turn to go down to Brazil and push the chief of the Brazilian Armed Forces to commit to actually do a pledge.
	Go to the next slide.
	Brazil manifestos seek to rein in Bolsonaro before election.
	This is before the election in a July conference with regional defense ministers.
	So we are personally paying as U.S. taxpayers for the head of the Central Intelligence Agency to go down there.
	We are suffering under a chip shortage, and we are getting that diverted so that electronic voting machines can go down.
	Then we are paying for the flights of the CIA director to go down and warn them not to cast doubt on the machines that they didn't, that they couldn't build without us and that the president didn't want.
	So this was, and actually, let me show you something else here as well while the question here, before you go to the next thing, why are they doing this?
	Why do they care?
	So my focus on this is on the internet censorship side.
	This is, I did not, I love the people of Brazil.
	I love Brazilian Zook dancing.
	I've always been around Brazilian people.
	I don't speak Portuguese.
	But I did not really, I didn't seek this out.
	This was something that was an unavoidable, inescapable reality of the U.S. censorship work that I was focused on.
	It was a recurring fact since Trump won the election in 2016.
	And as soon as Bolsonaro started gaining traction in Brazil, that these issues were interlinked, that they wanted to stop Bolsonaro for the same reasons they wanted to stop Donald Trump.
	I have that much 100%.
	There are other issues.
	So I have this big unpublished report that I'm just showing you some things from here tonight, but that'll be published sometime in the next several months.
	There is the open question.
	So the technical reason they said they did it is because Bolsonaro is a threat to democracy.
	Who's they?
	The CIA and Biden?
	The CIA, Biden, State Department, USAID, the NGO swarm.
	We have this concept called democracy promotion programs, which is this idea that if something is categorized as an authoritarian threat or it leads to illiberal democracy without sufficient democratic institutional safeguards,
	we deputize our democracy promotion programs to basically overturn their governments, to do regime change operations, to institute judicial reforms in the country, to control their prosecutors, their judges, their universities, their unions, their media ecosystems in order to manage their democracy.
	And when something gets categorized as a threat to democracy, that's a technical term.
	That unleashes the capabilities of our regime change apparatus.
	Now, they did that to Trump.
	They did that to Bolsonaro.
	But whenever something's deemed a threat to democracy, there's always something else behind it.
	In Trump's case, it was very obvious that Trump's policy about Eurasia was the primary reason that they ran all of the coup-like actions against him from the multiple impeachments, multiple impeachments to the 91 felonies, to the special prosecutors probe, the Bob Mueller, two and a half-year FBI special prosecutors, to the whirlwind of state-funded media and intelligence six ways from Sundays things against him.
	There were other things that Trump did that flew in the face of the interests of international corporations and banks and foundations and NGOs.
	That one was the primary one in my view.
	In the Bolsonaro story, since my primary focus is on internet censorship, it's very easy for me to tell that story and I can walk you through that whole thing.
	But in terms of the why they did it, again, technically, all they need to say is threat to democracy, but there are always interests underneath that.
	And there are many threads.
	There is a sort of murder mystery, who done it.
	There are many financial interests in Brazil.
	There are many U.S. multinational corporations who have interest there.
	There are international interests around China and the relationship between China and the Biden administration.
	There's the connection with the unions and many of the union groups.
	And there's several others.
	And this is actually why I'm happy to sit in and sort of play second chair to Nicholas, because I have my own questions around the specifics of who financially benefited from these things.
	Because, for example, Lula connected his whole government to China, and he was very open about that.
	This is the sort of thing that the State Department and the CIA and USAID typically run operations to stop.
	And yet you had this very strange situation where we ran these operations to install it, this Chinese influence in Brazil.
	And when you look at the Biden family relationship with Chinese stakeholders, you look at the Hunter Biden, you know, $10 million basically windfall from Chinese clients for his consulting company and partnerships with Chinese energy companies.
	You see this recurring pattern with the Biden administration.
	I don't have, though, since everything I do is open source, I don't have any confessions from people in the U.S.
	Okay, so can I just, Ched, can I just unpack what I think you're saying and then tell me if that's kind of what you're saying?
	And then, Nicholas, I'm going to come to you next.
	So, are you saying, hypothetically, to the average person, not somebody that's Mike Ben's caliber, this is your world, deputy, you're working with the State Department, you're in the world, internet, you're around it.
	This is your world that you study.
	To the average person, you're saying China potentially used Biden as a favor to make sure Bolsonaro doesn't get in the way because under Lula, they're able to buy and get more resources and things that they want there.
	And Bolsonaro gets in the way.
	So, hey, U.S., we'll stay quiet and we won't do anything with you.
	We'll keep doing business with you, but we need a favor from you.
	We need to make sure you go out there and do whatever you can for Bolsonaro to stop talking about the voting system and rig it if you can, make sure he doesn't win so we can put Lula in because Lula's going to play game with us, play ball with us with China.
	We can get in and do whatever we want to do.
	Is that kind of what you're insinuating?
	I don't know that.
	There are things that keep coming up in my research about it that I find highly disturbing, and I would not be able to get without the subpoena power of Congress.
	And it is my opinion that at the end of this process, and once the report that I'm working on is published, and all this can be just the whole timeline chronology, network map, funding flows, cast of characters, all that.
	It's my belief that it would be beneficial for the American people to understand, to have an autopsy of the rogue activity of their own government for any of the oversight bodies that we currently have set up, whether that is the weaponization subcommittee of Jim Jordan, whether that's the House Foreign Affairs or Senate Foreign Affairs Committees, whether that is declassifying federal secrets, frankly, from covert actions involved in this.
	There are any number of subpoena-power-equipped courts, congressional committees that could probe those questions.
	Most immediately, what comes up most frequently publicly in this, in what they talk about, is this international exchange of ideas between Trumpism and Bolsonaroism.
	And that's a very simple one to understand, right?
	Which is just the raw political calculus of you get rid of Bolsonaro, you get rid of Trump, you get rid of the, you know, and this is a direct quote, the international exchange of ideas.
	You can actually go to my foundation's websites, foundationforfreedomonline.com.
	If you put Brazil into the search at the top, you'll see, oh, yeah, one word.
	Yep.
	Yep.
	And you just put Brazil on the top.
	And you'll see a report that I published a little over two years ago.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	U.S. tax dollars funding text message censorship in Brazil.
	Published this in July 2022.
	So just in time for the CIA director to descend on, to descend on Brazil.
	And you'll see we, U.S. taxpayers, paid to get the censorship state installed in Brazil.
	U.S. taxpayers?
	Yes, yes.
	Because this is all U.S. AID and NED and the NGOs that are offered.
	In Brazil, private text to family and friends are fast becoming as targeted by counter-disinformation techniques as public facing posts on social media.
	This escalation of fact checkers, interventions, and sharing limits on text has been introduced through new speech constraints on popular encrypted apps such as WhatsApp, Telegram, and Rob, can you go a little bit higher so I can read the last sentence?
	These developments are being funded by millions of dollars in U.S. tax.
	Nicolas, did you feel this and did you see this happen in Brazil?
	Yes, of course.
	Our superior electoral court, they made a lot of decisions that was bad for Bolsonaro.
	For example, When Aleciono de Moraes announced that Lula won in the Superior Court, there was another judge called Benedito da Silva.
	He just went through him and said, Mission mission given, mission accomplished.
	You have that clip, by the way.
	Yeah, and until now, this judge didn't come to public to say what I mean was that.
	He didn't say that.
	So it was very strange.
	There is another judge in Brazil called Bajos that after the elections that Bolsonaro lost, he said, we defeated Bolsonarism.
	Yeah, this is the video.
	Now he's announcing Lula as the president.
	And then this judge comes to him and says, mission given, his mission accomplished.
	So what he means about that.
	So he was working against Bolsonaro.
	So he's a judge.
	He should be in Portugal.
	So this is one judge.
	It's the same.
	You can stop the video right there.
	This is the same judge that said that.
	This is Lula.
	And after that, he's receiving, I don't know how you say this in English, but he's giving some taps in his face as he was his best friend.
	So this is the kind of judge that's saying that Bolsonaro is a tyranny.
	He's a people, he is a person that he's giving misinformation to Brazil.
	But at this point, because there's a lot of Telegram groups that you're a part of, right?
	That the communities are talking to each other.
	Are you seeing what you can and can't do?
	Yeah, for example, I think that in other social medias, it was more, how can I say, it was clear to me that something wasn't coming to me.
	So there was some information that if you Google it, for example, you would find.
	There are some others information that you try to find and it was harder to find.
	So for example, in the elections, you couldn't say that Lula had Maduro as a friend.
	You couldn't say that.
	You couldn't say that Lula was a friend of Daniel Ortega from Nicaragua.
	So you couldn't say that.
	You couldn't say that Lula was supporting abortion, for example.
	I was sued, I was a muta.
	I was fined for like 3,000 rios just because I made a video saying that Lula was supporting abortion, was supporting drugs, and I was fined because of that.
	So there's another minister of the Supreme Court called Jumar Menges that he gave an interview like maybe six months ago that he said that Lula is in presidence because of them.
	Any other country that gives politics seriously, it would be a scandal.
	But in Brazil, it's normal because the Supreme Court of Brazil is not more a judiciary power.
	It's a political power.
	So in the elections, for example, Bolsonaro, in our Independence Day in 7th of September, he had a huge protest, like three, two million people in Brasilia, in São Paulo, and then he couldn't use these images for his network.
	He couldn't use.
	It was crazy.
	Just to show how many people were in candidates you guys couldn't show.
	Yeah, he couldn't show that on TV.
	And for example, in the Labor's Party, in the Labor's Party, was saying that Bolsonaro was a Hannibal.
	They were saying that Bolsonaro was a pedophile.
	They were saying that Bolsonaro would end up the federas, the holidays for the workers.
	So it was all that kind of disinformation, and anything happened with Lula and his friends.
	For Bolsonaro, anyone that, for example, questioned the voting system would be fined.
	My social media was down for one month because I just questioned the voting electronic machines.
	So my lawyer doesn't have access to the process.
	My social media just went bad because of political pressure, but not a judiciary process.
	So that what happened in 2022.
	We all thought that, of course, there was an interference in Brazil, but we didn't know where did it come, how they did that.
	But now it's clear that, as Mike said, that if it wasn't USAD, maybe Bolsonaro or Sher Bolsonaro would be the president of Brazil today.
	Now, Mike, let me ask you, as you're processing what he's saying, when I was with the president, I asked him, so, for example, what can U.S. do under Trump?
	Because we saw that Lula's popularity when he was done being president after the eight years he was in from 2003 to 2011, he left with a popularity of 80%, 81%.
	It was very high.
	And then he goes and does his time.
	You know, his wife has the stroke.
	She passes away.
	He gets 12 years.
	Alejandre de Moraes comes in, takes him out.
	Bolsonaro wins in 2018.
	And then they bring him out to make sure he beats Bolsonaro and boom.
	The rest is history.
	But I asked him the question.
	I said, so now Lula's popularity went from 80% to 24%, the lowest it's ever been in Brazil.
	It's not a good thing.
	Brazilians don't like this guy.
	Coffee is expensive.
	Everything is expensive right now.
	They're going through it.
	What is the opposite of what CIA did to hurt?
	Meaning, so now, how does Alejandre de Moraes or X, which now I think they banned Trump's network and Rumble, and now Rumble and Trump's network are suing Brazil.
	And while Lula's there, Alejandro's there, what can U.S., it doesn't look like this guy's afraid of anybody.
	It doesn't look like this guy, de Moraes, is afraid of anybody in the States.
	Do you think things can change in any way where Bolsonaro could run and win in 2026?
	Yes, if the U.S. is serious about applying diplomatic resources on the issue.
	There are many ways that that can be done.
	Not sure this is the most appropriate form for discussing them.
	And there are actually two open threads that I did want to get to from what Nicholas just said.
	But the short answer is there are many things that the U.S. can do if the U.S. ambassador is serious, if the president is serious, if Marco Rubio is serious.
	And yes, much can be done.
	I'll leave it there.
	I think what you need is policy alignment and then the appropriate organs to mobilize.
	Policy alignment where?
	Amongst Bolsonaro and U.S.?
	Well, you're going to need to synchronize all the different facets of U.S. foreign policy.
	That can be done.
	No, let's stay on that.
	I'm curious.
	What does that mean?
	I want to know what that means.
	You know, because for me, you're dealing with a country that out of their 11 Supreme Courts, only two are conservative.
	You're dealing with a country that out of their 81 Senate, only 22 are conservative.
	You're dealing with a country that out of 513 Congressmen and women, only 130 are conservative.
	When you look at Bukeley, Brandon, you were telling me earlier the fact that Bukeley, the way he did it in advance.
	Yeah, he kind of set up his Congress before he became president, so he had everybody in his favor in the majority.
	So he looks like a dictator, but he just happens to have everybody on his side.
	So he does no resistance and a real beautiful setup for what he wanted to do with his policies.
	And that's a beautiful thing because he can just go in and say, here's what we want to do, right?
	In this case, this is a very different situation that he has.
	So if U.S. can't go and say, well, what do we do with the Supreme Court?
	What do we do with the Senate?
	What do we do with that?
	That's a longer term play.
	To me, short-term between now and 2026.
	What can U.S. really do?
	Just doesn't feel appropriate.
	I'm just going to say it.
	I don't think that this is the forum to but I'm happy to listen to you guys talk about it.
	It's just, yeah.
	It sounds so interesting.
	One thing I can say is all Brazilians, Mike, all Brazilians, we are hopefully that this guy pays for what he's doing because what we think, what we feel day by day is that he's the law and anyone can put him in his place.
	And he's just, he's just doubling down.
	You know, he doesn't quick never.
	So I agree with Mike.
	It's difficult to say what U.S. should do with a judge, a Supreme Federal Court judge.
	But we all hope that he pays for what he's doing because he's doing very bad things with people.
	We didn't talk about the 8 of January yet, but there are a lot of innocents that are still in jail.
	There are 17 years of jail, and he doesn't quick.
	He's just doing this because he hates the right wing, hates the conservatives, and the most he hates Bolsonaro.
	They want to put him in jail for fantasy coup.
	So we want to see this guy paying for justice.
	Mike, Dan Bongino got a job today.
	Is it the McDonald's job from working with cash, right?
	When are you getting a job?
	Because it almost seems like you're applying.
	It almost seems like what you're saying, my read on what you just did right now is, hey, the right person, you are a right person.
	You have a way of doing it.
	You could be the one helping out.
	Are you one either in talks or two if you're not?
	Are you open if they were to offer you something?
	Well, what I was getting into there was about, you know, one of the reasons I wanted to circle back to some of the things that we were just talking about and play some of these things for the world to see here is that we, like I mentioned, congressional committees on this who have subpoena power, who can do transcribed interviews of all the officials involved, who can use the power of the purse to slash budgets, who can do public hearings and put this all out,
	and prosecutors in the U.S. who can take appropriate action to the extent that there's criminal wrongdoing.
	There is right now agency by agency, the people at the top of the perch have been the people who have been punished by the system.
	RFK is at the head of HHS.
	Cash and now Dan Bongino at the top of FBI.
	Time and time again, we've seen this.
	You know, Dr. Jay Bhattachari at the top of NIH.
	I think that there is an American interest in pursuing this and the weaponization of the foreign policy establishment and its covert and overt capabilities and its NGO capabilities to go after Bolsonaro as a way of going after Donald Trump.
	And so I mentioned this phrase, stopping the international exchange of ideas between Trumpism and Bolsonaroism.
	So on that piece that I pulled up before, the Foundation for Freedom Online Brazil report, you'll actually see that's a direct quote.
	I think actually just, if you scroll down or just run a Control-F for exchange, you'll see this.
	There you go.
	So this was funded by the U.S. here.
	If you scroll down, this is a U.S. taxpayer.
	So what this is, if you click this video, this is a presentation to IFES, which is a U.S. AID partner and implementer.
	This is an international idea.
	This is attached to the National Endowment for Democracy and USAID.
	And it's basically election management in foreign countries.
	And you'll see here are U.S. taxpayers paying international idea.
	They get all their money from Congress through a State Department contribution.
	So this was back in 2021, 2022.
	And if you just play this, you'll see what the thought process was ahead of Brazil's election for how our own NGOs were weaponized to go after Trump by going after Bolsonaro.
	Well, okay, do you have an ads there?
	There's two more seconds left.
	So Rob, if you want to.
	I think there's two ads.
	Yeah, if you're going through both of them.
	I look forward to your words of wisdom on how we can build up society's defenses against this information and more specifically on which measures have proven most effective.
	This is international idea.
	This is our issue.
	So the question is: how society can enhance the ability to detect and resist the fake news and false facts?
	This is a picture of really recent research we did about.
	So here he is presenting.
	This is hosted by us, U.S. taxpayers.
	And this is, I published this years ago, right?
	I published this two and a half years ago at this point.
	Similar keywords on the Brazilian and U.S. populist right on parlor.
	And you'll see it's Trump, you know, election fraud, irregularities, the very things that people in Brazil were prosecuted or banned from being able to talk about, they grafted off of the model of something that was done here in the U.S. ahead of the 2020 election when DHS partnered with groups like EIP, the Atlantic Council, Grafica, two of our universities, to censor Americans' ability to talk about election voting machines.
	And then we systematically trained the Brazilian judges to do the same to stop Bolsonaro.
	And I can walk you through that whole process.
	But this is just from things of our pressure.
	If you let it play, you'll see how basically this is art taxpayer-funded NGOs and CIA cutouts working with here a Brazilian professor, effectively, on how to co-strategize to stop the international exchange of ideas between Trump and Bolsonaro.
	From Paulo.
	And we got the narratives and discourse that have been used during the end of the year, at the beginning of the year, just after the Biden election and before they got in office.
	And the extreme right use mostly these kind of words to sustain their research and strategy to harm democracy and put questions and doubts about the results of the elections in the U.S. That's the crime.
	The red square is the same ideas and words we have been using, of course, in Portuguese, and you can get from our political discussion and social networks from the stream rights.
	So, extreme rights in Brazil is in Parliament as well and get the same message and translate it in Portuguese and put it in the boundaries of our culture.
	But basically, they are reproducing the same narrative, the same discourse.
	And if you get information, the same information from social networks like Parliament from Europeans, you get mostly the same kind of words like fraud, stop fraud, suppression, irregularities, and so forth.
	So, that's what I'm saying, that it's not only in an engineer that goes through different platforms, but also it's in an international movement to exchange ideas that harms the most.
	I got this, Mike.
	Go for it.
	So, this makes sense.
	So, these words are the words that they're both worried about.
	Yeah.
	We exported our censorship models when they started to work against Trump.
	We exported them to Brazil.
	We exported them to Europe.
	We're exporting them to Australia as part of a State Department USAID push to control the information space in every country on earth.
	So, the reason, for example, this that I published was about the U.S. taxpayers funding the censorship of encrypted chat apps like WhatsApp and Telegram.
	This was because we had already moved into Brazil to censor social media.
	This is why Brazilians were one of the first people to come to Gab and some of the other alternative in parlor and these other platforms.
	But, you know, on this point, you mentioned Bajoso.
	Am I saying that correctly?
	So if you go to slide 23.
	Barroso.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	So, this is NDI.
	NDI is the DNC branch.
	It's the CIA wing of the DNC.
	NDI is the Democrat Party wing of the National Endowment for Democracy.
	The National Endowment for Democracy is the premier CIA cutout of our tens of thousands around the world.
	It's a big umbrella one.
	It was created in 1983.
	It was conceived in the office of the CIA director, William Casey.
	The CIA had gotten in a lot of trouble just a few years earlier when the heart attack gun was held up in front of Congress.
	The Democrats hated the CIA.
	Ronald Reagan wanted it back.
	They couldn't get that approved.
	They couldn't get the powers back because Democrats controlled the lower house of Congress.
	And so they came up with an idea to create the National Endowment for Democracy to have an outside NGO funded by the State Department where all the grants are reviewed by the CIA, go out and be the operations arm, basically a plausible deniability layer for the CIA, the same way the CIA provides that plausible deniability layer for the State Department.
	They have four core fours.
	IRI, which is the Republican branch of the CIA, of the NED.
	It's the International Republican Institute.
	It was founded by John McCain, who ran for president in 2008, the Republican nominee.
	On its board are people like Mitt Romney, who ran for president in 2012.
	Basically, until Trump, you had to be IRI if you wanted to run for president in the Republican Party.
	On the Democrat side, it's called the other political core four is called NDI, the National Democratic Institute, who Hunter Biden, for example, is on the chairman's advisory board of the NDI.
	If you've ever heard me talking about the wonderful CIA world of Hunter Biden, but NDI, again, is fully funded by the U.S. government.
	They get hundreds of millions of dollars every year.
	They are notorious for regime change and organizing street riots, penetrating the unions in countries, penetrating their for-profit companies, penetrating academia, mobilizing student youths to take to the streets.
	And here you have the NDI senior elections advisor encouraging Brazil's top judge, Bajoso, to, if you just play this clip here in this rumble, you'll see this again.
	So we're paying.
	How long is it?
	You can just play the first, just play like the first 30 seconds to get the idea of it.
	And you can, if you need to mute that for the ads or a second.
	I just want to show you that all this is meticulously, forensically detailed.
	This will go out to all the panelists and just feel free if you have some strong feelings about it to answer because I did want to talk a bit about something that we know about disinformation campaigns have often specifically targeted women and marginalized communities.
	We want to hear from him, right?
	Can you fast forward to when he speaks right now?
	Well, you'll see what she goes.
	Can you pause for a second?
	What she goes, she presses him to do more to censor non-inclusive speech.
	This is our taxpayer-funded CIA cutout pushing the top judge in Brazil to do more to censor.
	And in fact, you can play that out.
	Or if you, you know, I've got a million of these clips.
	Like, we trained all their judges.
	I mean, I can show you, it's.
	We trained all of Brazil's judges.
	Yes, yes.
	In fact, in the program, the banner program that coordinated this, they said one of the specific reasons they did this is so that these judicial institutions, what they call them EMBs, election management bodies, this has been a big push since Trump won to control the judiciaries because USAID, its charters, is allowed to do so-called judicial reform to influence the laws and the judicial decisions in foreign countries.
	And so, you know, you can, if you don't want to sit through this whole thing, which you can hear her say, I'll make this, you know, this is in the report with millions of other things, but I'll put this on my X account for folks right after this.
	But if you want to go to the next slide, you'll see, if you want to just hear straight from the horse's mouth without having to skip around.
	So this is a presentation of the top judge in Brazil to the Wilson Center, which is the close partner and implementer of the U.S. State Department.
	It gets, I think, over 30% of its annual funds directly from U.S. taxpayers.
	It is one of our flank of State Department interlocutors.
	Nicolas, do you know who he is?
	Yes, of course I know.
	That was the guy that I told you here like 10 minutes ago that he said that we defeated Bolsonaro, we defeated Bolsonarism.
	After that, Bolsonaro lost the elections.
	Yeah, now, if you want to, I'll play that.
	I can give you a background.
	They did a whole war game for how teaching them how to censor a Bolsonaro post, the Wilson Center, the State Department-funded Wilson Center with them.
	Which clip are you talking about?
	Yeah, this one.
	In fact, if you skip to the end of it, just do the last 45 seconds and you'll get the picture of it.
	We brought them in for this.
	Actually, no, no, no, start a little bit for that.
	Yeah, right there.
	Yeah, that's fine.
	You'll see.
	This page and check if information is true.
	So we prepared for a war, and I think we are winning so far.
	I don't like to celebrate things before they're over, but so far, misinformation has been very unimportant in this election compared to what happened before.
	And so what we did, I think, we got rid or we prevented what we call the useful innocent people that would forward fake news.
	useful just without knowing or for not being conscious.
	I think we scare the amateurs and the professionals, the digital militias that have a hierarchy and are funded.
	We are paying very much attention to them and a couple of them we have dismantled with the federal police and with great publicity.
	So I think we reduced uh, uh disinformation campaigns to a minimum in in these elections fortunately, okay.
	So if you pause there now, the Wilson Center is a?
	U.S State Department organ.
	We pay for this.
	The Wilson Center then got together with Brazilian judges and officials and did a whole disinformation war game to train them on the best practices of what we'd use to censor Trump during the 2020 election.
	You know who else was at the Wilson Center, Nina Jankovitz, the uh the?
	The head of the Disinformation Governance Board.
	We are literally taking best practices from the?
	U.s that were used to stop Trump from winning in 2020 and training every organ we went around to the prosecutors, the judges, the universities.
	There's a whole story here with the unions top to bottom.
	We spent tens of millions of dollars and so it's a big loss for them to lose Usaid.
	Or is that just the tip?
	Oh my god, because I mean it seems like they're a bit on an island without them.
	Is that correct?
	Or is this like, is there the NED still?
	Yes, they're in a full-blown panic over it.
	Uh, and now there are.
	There's a question of if they can offset that through funding from the EU and other international bodies like the UN.
	They want to try to create sort of like replacement funding through the.
	The private donor networks, through the Soros Networks and the Gates Networks, are going to have to pay.
	The Craig Newmark Networks, the Piero Midyar Networks, the REID Hoffman Networks may have to spend their own billions uh, you know, to offset that.
	But they're also working with these in power.
	You know the censors in exile here in the?
	U.s.
	Are trying to get this funding, to continue this work by partnering with foreign foreign governments to get it now that Usa Id is down.
	But that is going to, it's going to cost them a lot.
	Mike, let me ask you a question have.
	Have you been again?
	Three questions of ask.
	You're very good at dodging any question I ask.
	I don't think you've answered a single question of mine.
	I think you just came with a powerpoint to present.
	I ask you, since you have knowledge in this.
	No, i'm asking since you have knowledge in this.
	I ask you, with Dan Bongino, we would want someone like you on the inside to help something like this.
	If you're knowledgeable in it, are you open to the idea?
	If they do reach out and have you had any of the conversations?
	You don't have to answer the second one, but the first one.
	I just want to be useful.
	You just want to be useful, which means yes yes, that's what that means.
	Whatever, the best role for me is okay.
	So my north star here is about freedom of speech And, you know, it's not about trying to get a particular person elected.
	It's not about what happens in foreign countries for the sake of what happens there.
	It's, you know, like I said, I think Bolsonaro is a hero.
	I think he's a martyr figure.
	I think it's a human rights violation what happened to him.
	My priority is as an American to tell this story about Brazil because this is a story of the American government.
	And this is something that the Trump administration, if it wants to get done its domestic agenda, is going to run into this international Goliath.
	They're going to run into it in the EU.
	They're going to run into it in Canada and Australia.
	They're going to run into it in Ukraine.
	They're going to run into it in Central Asia.
	They're going to run into it in sub-Saharan Africa.
	But the Brazil case study is a really clean one because the size of the operation and how sloppy they were about covering the traffic.
	That's good.
	So that means the fingerprints are going to be left with what's going on.
	Nicholas, for you, when you're hearing what he's saying, I'm assuming you see half of the stuff you already maybe have seen or you know the judge, you're in the country, you go through it.
	But for the people, okay, today Americans are listening to you.
	Brazilians are listening to him.
	That was my idea for them to see the both messaging, to see what Brazilians are going to hear from Mike, to be inspired.
	What can I do, right?
	And from your end, for Americans to say, I love this guy.
	I need to be involved.
	I want to share this information with other people.
	How can we do something about it?
	Yeah, what Mike said here, I think for all the Americans, it's very hard to understand, but it's the truth.
	You are paying taxes, and these taxes is going to interfere in our politics in Brazil.
	And it's not for the good.
	It's for the bad.
	If you see like the other page that he's, the other one, there was training Bajoso.
	The think tank that was training Bajoso.
	Yeah, those three ladies, Rob.
	The three ladies with the Queen Soul Center, the NDA, like all of these, they are training our judges to censor.
	You want to go to slide one, by the way?
	I don't mean to interrupt.
	No, no, no problem.
	Yeah, like to censorship us.
	Does that look familiar?
	Yes, it does.
	That's the USAID ZEPS program.
	Is this something the judges want or is it something that's told to do, though?
	So that's why these guys, if you hear again, the Bajosa speech, he says that we are winning so far the war because we don't want to happen what happened in 2018 again, this kind of this misinformation.
	So he says that Bolsonaro only won because of the fake news and disinformation, and that's why they need to combat this because Bolsonaro and Bolsonarism, they are a threat to democracy, but they are the threat to democracy.
	So your taxes are paying the tyranny in my country.
	That's what's happening.
	So these guys are interfering in our politics and for the bad.
	As I was saying, I don't want them to interfere in nothing, either in right or either, neither in left, because we want a free country, a sovereign country.
	And that's why day by day, they try to censorship us.
	For example, if you put the other slide that says the unapproval, rating on approval of Brazil, of LULAS.
	Yeah.
	This thing, it's from 14 February of this year, approval rating of Brazil's LULAS falls to 34 for 35.
	And this is the, and the reason of that is mainly because a video of me that I did on Instagram.
	I posted a video on Instagram because in Brazil, informal work is very widespread.
	And Lula government, as all the socialists, government, they try to collect more text from people.
	And then I made a video.
	It's up, up, up, go up.
	More that this first one.
	I made this video and saying that 8.8 million likes.
	Yeah.
	Can you click on to see how many views this video got rubbed?
	Wow.
	Just click on the numbers of likes.
	Yeah.
	It'll show you if you click on that.
	Let me check it here.
	I think you need to go out.
	Middle comment.
	No present reels.
	Yeah.
	And then you go down, you're going to find it.
	Okay, there you go.
	Yeah.
	327 million.
	Like this video, I think it's the most viewed view in 24 hours in the whole world.
	And that happened because all Brazilians were very unsatisfied and still unsatisfied with Lula government.
	And they and then they did.
	What are you saying in the message?
	Because the government tried to implement a measure to tax informal workers who move up 5,000 Rios.
	It's less than $1,000 in their account.
	So anyone who was an informal worker and who moved this in their bank account would have the government controlling what he's doing in his bank account.
	So this small business would be very, how can I say, hurt it.
	You know what I mean by this?
	How long is that video, by the way?
	How long?
	Four minutes.
	So in the video, what are you explaining to them?
	I'm explaining that the government wants to do this with the small business, that Lula is spending a lot of your money, a lot of your tax money, that the judges don't put their bank accounts to open as they want to put the small business.
	And then I'm saying we need to stop Lula, otherwise, he'll stop Brazil.
	And this video made the government back down and the government took this date on that video, Rob.
	Sorry?
	What's the date on the video?
	It's five weeks ago.
	It's 15 January.
	Yep, right down here.
	January 14th.
	14th.
	Sorry.
	Yeah, so one month after Lula approval rating got down because of this video.
	And that's why they try to censorship us.
	Because with this video, I passed Lula of followers on Instagram, like all of or the majority of my videos.
	They had more than one million views.
	And that's why they try to push us down and say that we are threatened to democracy because we talk to the people.
	As I said, I came from a very poor neighborhood.
	People listen to me and I'm just speaking.
	I'm just speaking the truth.
	And then after this video, all the Lula's government said that they were going to sue me.
	That I did fake news.
	I did disinformation.
	But in the video, they couldn't find any lies, any fake news, any fake news.
	So they couldn't do anything with me.
	But they threatened me a lot.
	So my security, I need to walk with more security in Brazil because of this.
	Because I'm so dangerous.
	You can see.
	Look at my face.
	I'm very dangerous to democracy.
	And there are a lot of traffic drug dealers in Brazil.
	They are being sold to.
	Yeah, there are a lot of drug dealers in Brazil.
	They are being released by the Supreme Court.
	And they don't go against this kind of crime organization, but they move the whole world to put me, Bolsonaro, and others in jail.
	So people in Brazil are just disasterated by this kind of measure.
	And that's why in 16 of March, we're all going to streets to protest in Rio de Janeiro, Copacabana, with Bolsonaro.
	With Bolsonaro.
	Yeah, with Bolsonaro.
	Because we need to put an end in this.
	Where is Bolsonaro going to be?
	In Copacabana, Rio de Janeiro.
	Where are you going to be?
	At the same place?
	Same place.
	So it's not like different locations.
	Before we were doing in different locations, but Bolsonaro told that it was better to put only in one place.
	Everybody goes to one place.
	Everybody goes to one place.
	So right now, is the confidence there that Bolsonaro, because you're 28, you cannot run till 2036, right, if I'm not mistaken.
	Yeah, I can't run.
	I need to be 35.
	Right now, it's one of two things was the conversation.
	One, lower the age to run, which that's not the topic.
	Right now, you know, they may want you to run for Senate because that's one way to help, right?
	That's kind of one of the things we're talking about.
	So if they're not going to lower the age and they have them right now not being able to run for 2026, and if they have control of all the three different branches of, like you got Supreme and House and Senate, what can you do for them to allow Bolsonaro to run?
	Because if he does run, what's going to happen?
	His wife's going to be the face?
	Kind of like what's going on with Venezuela where Maria Corina Muchado ran with, I think, what's the guy's name?
	Edmundo Gonzalez.
	I think that's his name.
	Would that be kind of how they would do it?
	What do you think can happen?
	I really don't know what's going to happen in Brazil.
	When I talk to this to Bolsonaro, he says that I'm the candidate and that's all.
	I'm going to run for president.
	He's saying that.
	Yeah, he's saying that.
	And I asked him, what should I answer if someone says that, maybe other candidate, maybe other person, he says, I am running for presidency.
	So I really don't know what's going on.
	I just don't think that the system will leave him free to run.
	I don't know that he will be able to run for presidency in Brazil.
	I really don't know.
	Because they have a lot of power, a lot of power in Brazil.
	Yeah, so, you know.
	And we can do much because if you are in a normal democracy, that you have the executive power, the legislative power, the judicial power, okay, it's fine.
	But me as a congressman, I don't have any power today.
	I just only have my voice.
	So that's why we're still speaking and giving speeches because this gives hope to people.
	This defends the moral, the principles, the values of the Brazilian people.
	But that's all we can do.
	Like we, of course, come here to U.S., Elon Musk shared a lot of videos of mine.
	It helps a lot.
	Mike is doing such an amazing job.
	But that's all we can do.
	I'm not saying it's less thing to do, but it's all we can do.
	But we can't do much.
	To me, I okay.
	So if this thing's at from 80 to 34 to 24, you got 329 million views.
	I don't know if I've seen a video with 329 million views.
	And you're from Brazil.
	U.S. is a bigger country.
	Honestly, I don't know if I've seen a video with 329 million views, 8.8 million likes.
	And I'm talking, you know, the only thing I guess I saw is when Messi's post got 77 million views on Instagram when he won the World Cup.
	I mean, that's Messi winning the World Cup is what I've seen, right?
	So the only thing it makes me think about, if they're not going to get out the way, and look, I can say this, you know, Mike for sure can't say this, but I can say this.
	Okay, Mike, earmuffs.
	Could it be, because it's either heavy involved with the president, U.S., which I don't think they want to do.
	When I had the president here and I asked him the question about Iran and, you know, the fact that the last time the sanctions hurt Iran so much that Iran almost fell.
	Okay.
	And it was pretty bad.
	I said, what's your, you know, what are you planning on doing with Iran?
	He says, we have so many problems in America right now that I got to think about me.
	I can't do anything else.
	So then if it goes on you guys and you said, I don't want any help, leave us alone.
	Don't help the left, don't help the right.
	That's kind of what you said about five, ten minutes ago, right?
	Okay.
	What are you going to do if they're not moving?
	What is the only option you got left?
	I mean, revolution is the only option.
	And that's not something anybody wants to talk about.
	Yeah, but I believe in the power of the people.
	Like we, the people, I don't underestimated that.
	For example, people went to the streets in 2016 and we took Diuma out of the office of the presidential office.
	So we need to go to the streets again.
	We need to push the government because unfortunately, Brazilian people only go to streets because of economy.
	Coffee in Brazil, the price is so high right now.
	The oil, the fuel is the same.
	The eggs now in Brazil, it's so higher level.
	So people are getting mad of, people are getting mad with Lula government.
	And that's what makes Brazilian people go to streets.
	But this is sad because we need to go to streets not only for economy.
	We need to go to the streets for our freedom, for our freedom of speech.
	But Brazil is a huge country.
	We have a lot of Brazils inside of Brazil.
	So only economy will put us in the streets again.
	So now with this rating disapproval of Lula, maybe people go through the streets again and push the government to maybe took Lula out and maybe put someone else over there.
	But I don't know.
	Brazilians have a short memory, unfortunately.
	Brazilian people has a short memory here.
	In U.S., you guys have a lot of guys that stood for our country that fight for the freedom.
	And you put this in schools and universities.
	And in Brazil, all the schools and all the universities, they are taken by the left.
	So when a teenager looks back to the history, he doesn't know why he's fighting for.
	So that's why he doesn't fight.
	So Brazil, it's a very difficult country.
	We have a huge potential.
	We have great natural resources.
	Our food is great.
	I love Brazil.
	But unfortunately, most of Brazilians voted for Lula just because he promised to give meat for people.
	Maybe you guys, Americans, don't know, but there is a meat in Brazil called Picana.
	You guys maybe go to a Brazilian steakhouse here.
	It's delicious.
	Yeah, Picanha.
	Lula, he definitely said, if you vote for me, I'm going to give you Picana and beer.
	And that's why Brazilian people voted on him.
	He was in jail for like more than 500 days.
	And people in Brazil are like, okay, I want Picana.
	I'm going to vote for him.
	So Brazilian people has a blame on it.
	I know that there's a lot of interference in election in Brazil, but the culture of Brazil needs to change.
	Like we are a country that has more than 80% of Christians, but we are not Christians at all.
	So you know, it it's deeper the problem in Brazil.
	That's why, for example, I made this kind of books.
	I studied a lot of philosophers that says that politics, it's only maybe the reflex of what goes in culture before.
	So all the left in Brazil, they took power of the culture.
	So if you open the Brazilian TV, you're going to see a lot of bad values.
	They try to destroy our family only with the novels, with the documentaries in our schools.
	So it's not only the politics that needs to change in Brazil.
	It's our culture.
	That's what I'm trying to do.
	I mean, the politics, of course, I do my job, I do my work.
	But in the other side, I try to say to Brazilian people that we need to do individuals' responsibilities.
	Otherwise, we are not going to change Brazil.
	Rob, can you go back to that slide you had about the price of coffee?
	So if you look at this with price of coffee, that's as of December of 2024.
	Average monthly price of coffee in Brazil from January 2021 to December of 2024.
	Look where it was just in 21 to where it's at today.
	And you're saying the people are feeling this.
	Yeah, because coffee is the most popular drink in Brazil.
	So everyone drinks it.
	So even the rich or the poorest one, he feels the price going up and he gets mad.
	So that's why I'm saying people in Brazil are getting mad with Lula's administration because of that, because the coffee that you drink every day is in the high price.
	Maybe you can't say what U.S. can do.
	And I'm going to leave that one alone for now.
	But what can the Brazilian people do?
	Your clips are being played in Brazil all over the place.
	Translated Portuguese, they're seeing you.
	They know who you are.
	They're recognizing who you are.
	When we were there, your name came up a lot of times as I'm having conversations with different Congress, Senate, people that are talking.
	What feedback do you have to the people who are sitting there saying, okay, without America's help, what can we do?
	What would you say to them?
	It's hard for me to give advice to the Brazilian people as an American citizen.
	It feels a little bit outside my place.
	I think in general, it's amazing to see the success that you've had.
	I too, like Patrick, have never seen an Instagram video with over 300 million views.
	That's highly impressive.
	But I think that is ultimately the path to bringing power to the people is to make your voice heard as loud as humanly possible and to keep turning your voice up and up and up and up and to find partners at every conceivable level in the U.S., in Europe, to wherever.
	And I don't mean that in an interference way.
	I mean that simply for people around the world to hear your message.
	This is a common interplay in these situations.
	There's the concept of the so-called international community, which are like-mindeds all around the world who believe in a cause or believe in a principle.
	And the bigger that tent is, the more that energizes and the more that also impacts the people in the country because they will hear the media sirens around the world who amplify that message.
	It gets out and support can come from strange places when you sing your song loud enough.
	And I think you guys are doing the right thing in terms of that.
	And that's really the only thing it feels appropriate for me to say because I think below that you start to get to issues around political organizing.
	And it feels out of place for me to opine on that part of it.
	But I think it's a great advice, as I was saying.
	We need to give power to the people.
	That's all.
	All that the tyranny wants to do with the people is to underestimate their power.
	So our voice, I never thought that maybe I can talk about John Baptist here.
	John Baptist doesn't know what is PBD podcast, but I'm talking about him now.
	So what we do in life, as the Gladiator says, echoes for all the eternity.
	So we need to speak.
	We need to put our voices loud and loud and loud.
	And then maybe Brazil will shine bright again.
	Do you think you guys have too many political parties?
	Because in Congress alone, you got like 24 of them.
	And then that whole center block, it's what, like 50% of the Congress?
	And it seems like that kind of jams a lot of things up.
	So are they consistent with the way they vote or do they go with like in whichever direction the wind's blowing?
	Yeah, the Congress is a complex team to talk here.
	But yeah, there's a lot of parties and the left.
	It's very strategical to put an extreme left, a left, a moderal left, so took power.
	So they change their faces as the demon.
	He put as an angel just to gain, just to gain you.
	So you have, for example, in Brazil a party called Socialist and the Liberty Party.
	So it doesn't make sense.
	But they run with this kind of name because they are experts in propaganda.
	So yeah, we need to do a reform.
	We need to do a reform in our parties and elections, but it's very hard because people who are in charge right now, maybe if we want to do a reform, it's going to go in a bad way.
	Can you convert anybody from that center, you think?
	Because it seems like there's some guys that maybe could pull to your side.
	Like here we only have two political parties, but if you got like several of them in that center block, is there any potential to recruit?
	I think the ideal maybe is to run like without a party.
	Maybe you have an independence candidate.
	It would be nice.
	But parties in Brazil, it's a huge instrumental of power.
	If you have a party in Brazil, you are very powerful.
	So I think it's going to be very difficult to change that.
	Mike, let me ask you, with Cassab, what do you think about Gilberto Cassab?
	You know, he is, he seems like he's a pretty powerful guy right now.
	With the leader, the, what is it, the center?
	Yeah, he's the leader of the center in Brazil.
	He has a great space in Sao Paulo's government under Tarcisio.
	Now, for example, Bolsonaro talked to him, I think, one month ago, because of the people they are in jail of 8 January.
	We need votes for the NST that we are fighting for, these people.
	But he's dangerous.
	Do you have a relationship with him or no?
	No, I don't.
	I talked to him like one day when I got down from my apartment.
	He was there.
	He said some stuff to me and I said, okay, thank you.
	And that's all.
	I never talked to him.
	But he's a powerful man.
	Is he a guy that has enough power and influence to help you or help Bolsonaro run in 2026?
	Or he's not a guy that's going to help Bolsonaro?
	So I think the center goes where people are winning.
	So if he thinks that Bolsonaro has a chance to win, he's going to be with Bolsonaro.
	If he thinks that it doesn't, he's going with Lula.
	So he has photos with all the ex-presidents in Brazil.
	He's the president of the Social Democratic Party.
	So he goes wherever the team wins.
	I can't say that I trust him because I really don't.
	But maybe, like, if he wants to help Bolsonaro right now, okay.
	Help is always good.
	But of course, he's going to ask something.
	And I don't know what he's going to ask for.
	Like a favor.
	Yeah, of course.
	The center never comes without a favor.
	And I don't know if this is favor higher than our principal values.
	I don't know.
	I don't talk to him.
	So I'm not in the negotiation of this.
	Have you ever tried to, like in a strategic way?
	It's hard because even though I'm the most voted congressman in Brazil, I'm only 28 and I started just right now.
	So I put in my place.
	My place is here.
	I'm doing my job.
	If they want to talk to me, I talk to anyone.
	If maybe Lula wants to talk to me, I don't know.
	I wouldn't talk.
	Okay.
	But some guys, I would talk because I think this is politics.
	I didn't choose the presidents of the parties.
	I didn't choose the deputies that worked with me.
	I didn't choose the senates.
	People choose that.
	So I need to work with Mattel Prima.
	Let me ask you, with Amazon fire, is that a big issue?
	Oh, it's a big issue.
	Not for the socialists right now, because Lula administration has all the records of fires in the Amazon right now.
	If you can pull up the chart, Rob, I texted you earlier to make the comparison.
	So here's what we got.
	It shows, if you go to that link, go a little bit lower, it shows you how many fires they've had.
	Look at that.
	Zoom in a little bit.
	44 million acres of fire has been burned.
	Acres has been burned in Brazil just last year.
	Okay, 2019 was 19 million, then 19 million, then 13 million, then again, 19 million, then 27 million under Lula, and then 44 million.
	Just to kind of put in perspective, how much 44 million acres is, Rob, if you can go to the other link that shows states in America so people can kind of know.
	44 million acres is more than the state of Alabama, more than Arkansas, more than the state of Florida.
	Florida is only 30, go a little bit higher, Rob, so we can show the top right.
	No, that's a wilder, go to the third one, state land area.
	Yeah, right there.
	Go to the other way.
	Look at that.
	Go down.
	Only 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15.
	15 states are bigger than 44 acres.
	35 states in America are smaller than 44 million acres.
	That's fire.
	And so what is Lula's administration saying about this?
	Is this normal to you guys?
	How do people react about this?
	So when Bolsonaro was in the presidency, there were, of course, fires in Amazon because it's a natural thing, but it was very lower than right now.
	And I need to remember you, American guys, that Leonardo Jacopio, Greta, Mark Ruffalo, in the elections, they said that Bolsonaro was putting fire in the Amazon.
	Emanuel Macron, for example, he posted an old photo of Amazon burning and said that was under Bolsonaro administration.
	Get out of here.
	But it wasn't.
	So that is the kind of person that you were fighting.
	Yes, this is not a photo under Bolsonaro administration.
	But he posted as it was.
	I have some information here, Patrick.
	In 2024, the National Institute for Space Research recorded 140,000 fire outbreaks in the region.
	It's the highest number since 2008, when Lula was also president.
	So he beat his own record.
	Additionally, the legal Amazon region experienced in 2024 the highest number of fires in 17 years, according to government data released in January 2025.
	So there was a lot of propaganda against Bolsonaro, but he did a lot of things, putting army in Amazon to stop the fire.
	He did a lot of things.
	But in this time, all the left in the whole world was saying that we don't preserve the Amazon, but there is any other car, there isn't any other country in the world that preserves more the environment than Brazil.
	We don't.
	They don't.
	Like, we do a great job, even though it's a tough challenge that we face in Amazon because it's huge.
	It's huge.
	It's a huge place.
	But the left, with Lula, and right now we are facing the top fires in all history.
	It seems like under Lula, when the fires happen, it's climate change.
	But when the fires happen under Bolsonaro, it's his fault.
	Yeah, it's his fault.
	It's all Bolsonaro's fault.
	Now, socialists go to his house and his wife is cheating on him.
	He says, Bolsonaro's fault.
	Like, everything is Bolsonaro's fault, you know.
	In Brazil, it's like that.
	I don't think it's different here.
	Everything is Trump's fault, right?
	So next question, Rob, if you can pull up, Lula's wife had a message for Musk.
	And Mike, I'm coming to you after this one here.
	So this is Lula's wife, wonderful lady.
	She is giving a message to Musk here.
	Go ahead and play this clip, Rob.
	You, Elon Musk.
	I don't have fear of you, even though.
	Good!
	Fuck you, Elon Musk.
	What role do you think X is playing in Brazilians gaining their freedom, Mike?
	What role do you think X is playing?
	I think it's enormous.
	I think that's why they want it shut down in Brazil unless compliance measures were put in place.
	I think that the Lula government, as well as the Biden government, was intensely aware that the power of social media would be the determinant of whether or not the election would go one way or the other.
	I have quotes from the people involved in this that they believe their work censoring Bolsonaro was dispositive in terms of tilting it in Lula's favor.
	There was a personal meeting, actually.
	Lula's, I think it was his first month in office at the first meeting with the Biden administration.
	I know you're accusing me of going back to the slideshow, but the fact is, I think that a lot of people haven't seen this.
	And since I know that I'm not accusing at all.
	No, my point to you was when I was bringing UN Nicolas here, I wanted to make sure that the people in Brazil, if they wanted to know how they can have freedom, that's what I was saying.
	Not accusing of a slideshow.
	If you got the slideshow that you're talking about.
	I mean, cheeky.
	No, I understand.
	Play the clip.
	What's this one here, Mike?
	Well, what I'm showing here is this is the, this is, okay, so this is February 2023.
	So I guess this is, well, there, but this is a joint statement following the meeting between President Biden and President Lula.
	So I think this was their first meeting after the 2022 election.
	So today, President Biden and President Lula, during the meeting, they discussed the nature of the U.S.-Brazil relationship, strengthening democracy.
	Go to the next slide.
	Biden and Lula pledged to work together to strengthen democratic institutions, which means strengthen these control networks, and reaffirmed their intention to build societal resilience to disinformation and to work together on that.
	So Biden and Lula talked about the need to stop online disinformation and agreed to work together.
	This is, you know, when I go back to this coordination between the White House, the State Department, the Pentagon, the CIA, the NGOs, this is part of an interagency working group to control the internal politics of Brazil.
	And that money is still flowing.
	And it's not just USAID.
	They're the biggest money spigot.
	But I'll give you some other examples because I'm actually fascinated about what something Nicholas just said about the fires.
	But maybe I'll start with, if you go to slide, this is, I think, 24, 24, 25.
	Yeah, next one.
	Sorry, 25.
	Yeah, 25.
	Can you blow that up?
	Okay.
	So here's just one.
	Rob, can you zoom in a little bit even more?
	Does it allow you or no?
	It doesn't look like it allows you.
	Go forward, Mike.
	Yeah.
	So would you say the unions are more pro-Bolsonaro or pro-Lula in Brazil?
	It's a union candidate.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, all things unions.
	So here's a $12 million U.S. Department of Labor.
	That's my wallet, Patrick, your wallet.
	U.S. citizens paying $12 million to the unions in Brazil.
	So I'm going to read some of these details, okay?
	What?
	$12 million.
	Yes, and this was granted right after the, this was, I think the grant date for this start date was December 2022, right after the 2022 elections.
	It almost feels like a payoff for some reason.
	But here again, let me read this.
	Okay, so $22 million.
	I'm sorry, $12 million given.
	And you'll see the, and in fact, if you go to the next, if you go to the one right after, you'll see, and yeah, so Brazil, and one more over, we'll come back to that in a sec.
	You'll see, just so you see the numbers here, right?
	This is on USAspending.gov.
	You can look this up publicly.
	It's still active.
	Brazilian unions, Lula's unions, are still getting paid by you and me.
	They are taking money from us.
	We are capacity building.
	I'll read you the technical reason they say why.
	So if you go back to two slides again, let's just read this, okay?
	So this is, the purpose is to improve respect for labor rights and participatory planning with unions in Brazil.
	Again, this is the Bureau of International Labor Affairs at the Department of Labor.
	Direct financial support for workers organizing.
	Build cross-movement networks with civil society organization allies representing marginalized populations mobilized.
	Increase capacity of worker organizations to organize, mobilize, and advocate on their own behalfs here.
	Populations and beneficiaries are in Brazil.
	Workers and unions with a focus on Afro-Brazilian young and women workers.
	And there's tie-ins to the indigenous sects in Brazil, which the U.S. State Department made a very big play for, which sort of gets me to some of the Amazon fire elements here.
	But this is stock standard.
	We've been funding the Lula machine from every direction, from the State Department, from USAID, from the Department of Labor, from the National Endowment for Democracy Solidarity Center.
	Can I go off on this for a sec?
	Okay.
	I mentioned there's four core fours for our top CIA cutout, the National Endowment for Democracy, which, by the way, and you can even, you know, you can go to my X timeline or look it up either way.
	You know, this is a direct quote from the founder of the National Endowment for Democracy at their founding that the reason that they were created was because the CIA used to get in trouble for running financial assistance to political opposition groups, and it looks terrible when the CIA is seen as subsidizing them.
	That's why the endowment was created, the National Endowment for Democracy was created, so that the funding could be provided without CIA fingerprints on it.
	And so, Ned has these four core fours that I've been talking about: right?
	IRI for the Republican side, NDI for the Democrat side.
	They have one for the Chamber of Commerce, basically business interests in a region where we do political dirty work.
	They will basically benefit in some way from the new government.
	The fourth one is called the Solidarity Center.
	It's the CIA's work with unions.
	The Solidarity Center's closest partner, by far and away, Bar None, is the group that used to be known by Democrats in the 1960s and 70s who hated their partnership with the Central Intelligence Agency.
	They used to call it the AFL-CIA.
	It's known widely as the AFL-CIO.
	It's the largest union in the U.S.
	It has international branches that have served for 70 years as the union arm of the Central Intelligence Agency.
	When we go to topple a government, we always go for the workers.
	We always go because a government can only wield the power of its own industrial base.
	It relies on the mine workers.
	It relies on the transportation workers.
	It relies on the dock workers.
	It relies on the media and the hospital workers.
	If we can penetrate the workforce, we can cause the whole country to come to a standstill.
	And then the police are out of luck.
	The military are out of luck.
	They don't have hospitals working anymore.
	They don't have toilets working anymore.
	They don't have energy resources anymore.
	And so the Solidarity Center, this gets its name from the Solidarity Movement, which was Lekwellessa.
	This was the Polish union group that liberated Poland from communism during the Cold War.
	But they were handed bags of cash by the Central Intelligence Agency during that process.
	And this is a blueprint that we do all around.
	Now, it was done against left-wing socialist countries during the Cold War primarily, but now it's being done to right-wing populist movements.
	This is this boomerang that we're living in now.
	But the Solidarity Centers basically, the AFL-CIO is the main arm of the Solidarity Center.
	And the AFL-CIO, if you can look this up before we get back to this grant, look up the AFL-CIO and who they named as Man of the Year.
	I believe it was in 2021, 2022.
	Yeah, put Lula there.
	You'll see.
	This is the, well, they gave the award here.
	Lula, hold on a second.
	Or scroll down.
	Yeah, that's the one.
	That's the one.
	Click on those.
	But that's 2019.
	Oh, 2019.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Yeah, 2019.
	Right after.
	There's a photo of people in the front of the Degalacy where he is in prison.
	Right.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	That's right.
	Yes.
	AFL-CIO led that to get Lula.
	Yeah.
	The U.S. Union, who works with the CIA around the world and its international branches.
	This is one year into Bolsonaro's term.
	They were grooming him for the task, practically.
	And they are our biggest union.
	Now, hold on.
	Go to the Molly Ball article.
	Look up the Molly Ball article in Time magazine.
	And I want to show you something really interesting.
	Yeah, Time magazine, you put in right-wing fever dream or fortified elections.
	You may remember this.
	It's one of those famous articles of the past several years.
	So is Trump Trust unaware of this at this time?
	Because this is still under Trump.
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, this is, yes.
	He got rolled by the National Down for Democracy.
	He got rolled by USAID.
	And that is why they are.
	So, okay, here you go.
	The secret history of the shadow campaign that saved the 2020 election.
	You remember this?
	Oh, yeah.
	Can you hit control?
	Actually, just scroll down.
	I believe it's the scroll down, scroll down, right below the fold.
	Okay, let me read this.
	There was a conspiracy unfolded.
	This is Time magazine.
	They all admitted to this publicly.
	There was a conspiracy unfolding behind the scenes, one that curtailed, that both curtailed the protests and coordinated the resistance from CEOs.
	Both surprises were the result of an informal alliance between left-wing activists and business titans.
	Also, some right-wing internationalists, Republican business titans.
	The pact was formalized in a terst, little-noticed joint statement of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and AFL-CIO.
	They had protests ready to go to shut down the U.S. government if Trump won in a fair and square election.
	You can look all this up.
	This is a blueprint that was planned out.
	You can find on my X feed, where we can go straight to the source documents.
	If you go to my X feed and you type in TIP and BLM, you'll see this.
	They had this whole thing planned out.
	They had, or just type in clear Trump win, clear Trump win.
	That'll get you the two.
	Okay, or scroll down to the source documents, or you can do like BLM.
	We'll get you there too.
	Yeah, there you go.
	Scroll down.
	Yeah, right there.
	Okay, so this, so actually, before I read this, if you click on the thread, you'll see the context for this.
	Yeah, right there.
	Scroll up a little bit.
	Yeah, up a little.
	Okay.
	All right, maybe it's different.
	Go down.
	You'll see I have on my timeline the clear Trump.
	This is the Transition Integrity Project.
	Rosa Book, Brooks, I think, Undersecretary for Policy and Biden's Obama's Pentagon.
	They had got together with military intelligence officials and the former heads of both the DNC and RNC, Michael Steele, Donna Brazil, that whole network.
	They planned what to do in the event of, quote, a clear Trump win.
	This is scenario three here.
	Everyone can look up the source document.
	It's all over.
	I think I have the source link right there, and we can click on that right after this.
	But here, but let's start here.
	A show of numbers in the streets and action in the streets may be the decisive factors in determining how the public perceives it.
	So what they talk about is leveraging the BLM protesters, because they did this in the height of the George Floyd riots.
	They said, hey, we're going to run this war game.
	If Trump wins, how can we still make sure if he wins the election, how do we stop his inauguration?
	And look what they do in this war game.
	The person role-playing Joe Biden, who was John Podesta who was the one at the meeting who role-played this, says that they presupposed that the Democrats would be able to use Black Lives Matter street muscle as a destabilizing protest force and the union workers and the whole AFL-CIO network.
	And that basically their recommendation, because this is going to come down to action in the streets, is that they need to better test the likely receptivity to a Biden call to take to the streets or a Biden campaign's ability to control these actors once mobilized.
	This is the BLM.
	Control the campaign's ability to wield them.
	And so what they propose is to build strong ties and grassroots, to build strong ties and be responsive to BLM's demands.
	That way BLM will owe them a favor.
	They talk in this same thing, and you can click the hyperlink.
	So you see, this is, I think, Boston Herald who reported this.
	They have the source document right here.
	Type control F for clear Trump win.
	Yeah, here it is.
	This is the word, yeah, and just click again and you'll get to the second one.
	You'll see this is what this all folded under, okay?
	How to stop Trump from taking office if he wins fair and square.
	And what they called for was enhancing resources to the Black Lives Matter resource, Black Lives Matter, which, by the way, is exactly what the Chamber of Commerce did.
	Remember those billions of dollars from big corporations?
	And then, lo and behold, there's this secret agreement, which doesn't get published until six months after the months after the election.
	And who was actually the one who was going to be mobilizing all of these shut down DC protests?
	Oh, it's the CIA's top union arm, the AFL-CIO, who's behind the same thing in Brazil.
	And by the way, let me get the kicker here.
	I mentioned there's four core force for Ned, right?
	The IRI, NDI, Solidarity Center.
	You know what the fourth one is?
	It's called CPA, the Center for International Private Enterprise.
	You know what that is?
	That's the CIA's liaison to the Chamber of Commerce.
	The exact two groups, the AFL-CIO and the Chamber of Commerce, who teamed up, had an agreement published in Time magazine to oust Trump if he won the election in 2020, teamed up through the National Endowment for Democracy working in Brazil, that ousted Bolsonaro.
	And if you remember, they were the ones who were training the judges.
	They were the ones who ran that whole network.
	NDI, they set up a whole coalition.
	It was called D4D, Designed for Democracy, spun a spider's web around virtually every Brazilian institution around information control.
	Patrick, I have a question for Mike.
	Can I do that?
	Mike, do you fear for our life?
	Because you are the National CIA and the whole scheme.
	Do you fear for our life?
	I think assassinations are a lot rarer nowadays.
	They've moved towards prosecutors as a much cleaner way to do it.
	There's been a lot of blowback from assassinations, and they're upset about it.
	They're very upset about it.
	The blowback, you know, there's the interesting case of JFK, for example.
	And even today, the censors talk about conspiracy theories about the CIA maybe assassinating.
	It was published in the late 90s during the declassifications that the CIA was opening Lee Harvey Oswald's mail before he received it because they had a counterintelligence probe on him.
	But what I'm getting at is, it's very messy when you take out a high-profile figure in an assassination.
	It's messy because whenever there's a tilt of power, there are attempts to try to get transparency.
	If you read the CIA assassination guide, which I've done on my ex account, and it's very funny, this came out during the church committee hearings.
	And actually, it came out in the 1990s during the JFK declassifications.
	But they talk about how it's imperative to make sure that there's only casual investigation afterwards and that these things don't have long memories in terms of investigation.
	And it was outlawed.
	And these things are never done directly by the agency.
	It's always through contractors, other groups.
	But what they've moved towards is judicial assassination.
	That's the clean way to do it.
	You get them accused of a crime, you throw them away for the rest of their life.
	With Trump, with what they're doing to Bolsonaro.
	And it was my expectation that that was going to happen to me eventually, whether it was going to be under the Biden administration.
	I mean, I saw practically everyone, everyone else who made impact be arrested by Merrick Garland and his goons.
	I thank the Lord every day that that Justice Department has been replaced because I think the joke I say is they throw me away for 30 years for premeditated jaywalking.
	They would find a reason, and it's as good as assassination.
	But that doesn't matter to me.
	I feel a deep sense of purpose.
	I'm happy that there's an audience now for the things I talk about, but I was doing it.
	I do it.
	Throw me in a jail cell and I'll be, you know, I'll finish my book or I'll try to convince the other people in the prison.
	I can't turn this off even if I wanted to.
	So it doesn't really feel like it has to me.
	Thank you.
	My question for you.
	So this is the part where when I was Brazil, it made me think about Iran, U.S. They've had seven constitutions last hundred years.
	These guys have had it, right?
	We have the oldest constitution in the world.
	193 out of 195 countries in the world have a constitution.
	Ours is the oldest, right?
	Let's go back to 2020 or 2024 when they wanted to remove him off the ballot in Colorado.
	2023, 2024.
	You remember when it was when they were saying removing him off the ballot in Colorado.
	How different would it have been and how different are we from Brazil if we didn't have the Supreme Court 6'3?
	What if it was 6'3 the other way around?
	If it was 6'3 the other way around, and say we didn't have Senate and we didn't have, let's just kind of go exactly the situation they're in in Brazil right now because they have all three on the other side, right?
	And that's why Kassab, Gilberto, was such a powerful man because everybody needs to give him favors.
	And that's what he means by whatever the big favors.
	I don't know how big of a favor he's going to ask Bolsonaro.
	But what if we were 6'3?
	Do we have that fickle of a system that if the left had extremist of Supreme Court justices, they could have removed him off the ballot?
	Could that have been a possibility?
	Oh, yeah.
	I mean, if you remember, they tried.
	This is like.
	I mean, this is like stock standard, right?
	I mean, this is what's happening in Romania with the GeorgesQ election in terms of nullifying it.
	I mean, whether you remove the ballots, you can't vote for it, or you nullify the election after he wins.
	I mean, they're both the same thing.
	You can't run if you're winning.
	I mean, that's basically the rule.
	And this is why it's terrifying that USAID and these other intelligence and statecraft-affiliated NGO swarms go right for the juggular targeting the EMBs, targeting the electoral and judicial organs around deciding elections and election processes and election results.
	I hate to say it, but I have slides on all this, but prepared if you want to see straight from the horse's mouth what that looked like, because USAID was doing the same thing.
	And some of these slides that I have here, they're getting 12 countries' EMBs in a room at once.
	For example, in the U.S., the big EMB is the Supreme Court.
	They decided the result of Bush v. Gore when there was the Florida hanging ballot, hanging Chad situation.
	Brazil, they have a different structure.
	They have their STF and then they've got their subcourt, the TSE.
	And so they went for the juggler and TSE.
	But as you'll see, but they also trained the STF.
	In fact, if you want to pull the slide deck back up and hop on over to, if you started, how about slide?
	What is this?
	What number is this?
	Slide seven.
	Mike, why don't you just put the phone up on the desk?
	It looks like you're looking at something else.
	Every time you look then, it's very inappropriate.
	I don't know if you see visually, it's not a good look.
	Okay, all right.
	All right, next one.
	Okay, so you'll see here again, this is IFES again.
	This is the State Department.
	They get fully funded by the U.S. State Department.
	They implement the USAID's programs.
	The USAID partner and implementer on all things elections there working with another judge here, Jose Gilberto Scandiucci.
	So now we've got Bajoso, Demarias Scandiucci working directly with the CEPS U.S. aid program, which is one of the most terrifying things.
	But go to the next slide here, real quick.
	Okay.
	Well, actually, let's stay on that for a second.
	This is another example of how U.S. money continues to corrupt Brazil's democracy here.
	COVID.
	They went after Bolsonaro for questioning COVID and not streaming the vaccine.
	So this is Internews.
	Internews gets half a billion dollars a year from U.S. taxpayers.
	The founder of Internews talks about how they had to constantly explain to people in foreign countries that, no, we're not the CIA.
	We're not CIA media.
	We're just funded by the U.S. government and we're directing this.
	So Internews is a network of about 6,000 different media organizations.
	They train 9,000 journalists around the world.
	They're basically a worldwide operation mockingbird apparatus for the U.S. State Department to be able to create a symphony of media in foreign countries.
	Who runs it?
	Who runs it?
	Well, actually, if you pull up the clip of the CEO of, just type in CEO, go to like X and just type CEO Internews Advertiser.
	And you'll see this was very viral.
	Elon was livid at this, as everyone should be, because I've been talking about Internews, their huge role in Internet censorship, because they use the State Department's media apparatus to push advertiser boycotts and all sorts of things.
	Yeah, if you start from the beginning, it's just 28 seconds.
	You'll see this is the CEO of Internews right here.
	Disinformation makes money, and that's one of the, we need to follow that money, and we need to work with the, and particularly the global advertising industry, that a lot of those dollars go to pretty bad, bad content.
	And so you can work really hard on exclusion lists or inclusion lists or sort of really try to focus ad dollars and challenge the global advertising industry all around the world to focus their ad dollars towards the good, the good news and information, the good, the accurate and relevant news and information.
	So that's the general of effectively the CIA, State Department, USAID media octopus with thousands of tentacles around the world.
	Now, here's Brazil.
	Here's Internews in Brazil.
	Okay.
	Because media promotes censorship in these countries, and that legitimizes the passage of anti-misinformation laws.
	When judges act corrupt, people don't take to the streets because Internews Media is saying that's what they should have done.
	In fact, Internews will put pressure on governments if they don't censor what the State Department wants censored there.
	So here's what they did in COVID: they created a program in Brazil called Rooted in Trust.
	You see, it's a global pandemic information response program countering the unprecedented scale and speed and spread of rumors and misinformation.
	Project focuses on, you know, see, Lebanon, Mali, Colombia, Sudan, Brazil.
	They have a whole section on Brazil in this report as well.
	Look at the highlights so far.
	Rooted in Trust has tracked more than 19,000 rumors about the virus.
	14 languages, 81 million people.
	In response to the unique rumors sourced from each country context, the project has produced over 130 rumor bulletins, 500 radio broadcasts, and 480 other media stories.
	Through a series of training opportunities, events, peer-to-peer networks, and grants, Root and Trust has sponsored 550 local media organizations, 350,000 people, almost 5,000 listening groups for this, all to basically ban the ability to question.
	But again, what I would say is this is why they lost.
	This is why Trump won.
	What I'm trying to ask you, and I want to stay on this one topic a little bit.
	They won because Elon allowed us to talk about this.
	They don't have that.
	And that's where I'm going right now.
	So where I'm going is for you.
	Okay, we live in the States, right?
	My concern was if we didn't have Supreme Court, they could have removed Trump off the ballot.
	If they would have done that in Colorado and a couple other states would have gone, then it would have been mayhem.
	Because Supreme Court, from your point of view, how different is Brazil than U.S. when it comes down to this?
	You may say, well, no, what you guys have in America's XYZ, we don't have this in Brazil.
	What is that?
	I think the Supreme Court, I think, is the main problem.
	Because in Brazil, we have 11 judges.
	I think only two of them, only two of them, was indicated by Bolsonaro.
	So all the other ones was indicated or by Dilma or Lula or Temir who indicated Alecion de Moraes.
	So the Supreme Court, I think it happens maybe in the majority countries of Latin America.
	As Mike said, that there is a different type of assassination.
	There is a different type of tyranny.
	Because if the president stands as a tyranny, as a dictator, maybe people will go to the streets, will take him out, and his power is over.
	But when you put this to a judge who says that he is fighting for democracy, he's fighting for freedom, he's fighting against this misinformation.
	So they sell this as a good thing.
	So the Supreme Court in Brazil, they decide everything.
	So that's the biggest problem.
	We can't do anything against them.
	We can't do.
	Like, if I appeal, I'm going to appeal to who?
	If Alexander de Moraes decides what I'm able to do.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Nothing.
	Nothing.
	We can't do nothing.
	They decide.
	In the COVID pandemic, they made 24 by 7.
	All the day, the traditional media was saying that Bolsonaro was a genocide, that he was responsible for all the deaths.
	And we couldn't say anything, anything, not against the COVID, but we couldn't say anything about it.
	We couldn't question if the mask was a great thing to use for our health.
	For example, there was a lot of measures that the cities and the governments did.
	For example, these schools were closed more than one and a half years.
	People didn't go to school.
	The entire country or some places it was open?
	The entire country.
	The entire country.
	For example, people could go only to churches, but if there was a space between them, but there was a lot of favelas in Brazil, for example, that had a lot of parties over there, and anyone cared about it.
	So where I was born is a favela, and there people were working as a criminal.
	If someone was maybe selling something and a police comes to there, he would be fined by that.
	So you can work in the pandemic, not in the time schedule that the government said, okay, you can be open to 8 to 5 p.m. only.
	So it was a time in Brazil that I confess, me as a Brazilian, I thought that maybe the pandemic would take like one month, two months, but it took like almost two years.
	Because Brazil, we play football in the weekends.
	We go to Johasco.
	We go to the barbecue.
	Like, we live.
	So I thought that, no, Brazil is not going to stay at home for one year, for two years.
	But a lot of people stay at home.
	In that time, I was a city councillor in my city, Beral Zonchi, and I made a lot of denounces, a lot of appointments about COVID.
	And I was very Pesiguudu.
	Oh, yes, I was very persecuted because of that.
	And in the media, in that time, I saw that it was very well planned to attack Bolsonaro.
	And now we see that a lot of things that he was saying, he was right.
	He always says that I didn't make any mistake about COVID because everything that he said, he was right.
	People couldn't work.
	So how they could put food on their tables.
	He was the only president that didn't take the vaccination in the world.
	That's pretty wild.
	Yeah.
	To think about being the only president.
	How's your relationship with him?
	How are you guys together?
	Yeah, I'm fine if I call him now.
	I don't know what time is in Brazil.
	Yeah, it's 10 o'clock.
	Maybe he answers me if I call him right now.
	Yeah, I'm in this since 2015.
	So I know him for a very long time.
	And he was always, he's very friendship with me.
	He's very kind with me.
	He knows who I am.
	He knows my heart.
	He knows my family.
	Like I have a wife, two kids right now.
	I just know this for one month that I'm father, we will be father again.
	So he knows that I'm trying to do my best.
	Sometimes I make mistakes.
	I'm only 28 years old, 28 years old, but he's a great guy.
	You've spoken to him since he got the charges against him last week?
	Yeah, we have a meeting with all the deputies, the conservative deputies, and we had a great talk.
	Do you think it was weird timing how that came out shortly after?
	But it's funny because Bolsonaro, I can say that with no problem because he knows that.
	He's a crazy dude.
	Like as a Trump, he's a crazy dude.
	He's very genuine.
	So when the news came out that he was like 38 years now, for jail, he was like, I don't care.
	He was like, okay, I don't care.
	I'm fine.
	He knows what he got into.
	Do you think that was your response to us being there, though, and giving him a platform to speak on that could reach?
	That's awesome.
	Patrick said, okay, we did a podcast with an interview with Bolsonaro.
	He asked me, maybe, did he like it?
	I was like, how long was that?
	Three hours.
	I said, okay, he definitely likes it because he likes to speak when he likes the person.
	So if he stayed three hours with you guys, he liked it a lot.
	He's a very tough guy.
	Of course, he's not perfect.
	He was the president of Brazil in a very difficult and hard time.
	The whole world was in a pandemic stuff.
	But he gives hope to Brazilians.
	What's the part about now, okay, with messaging, you going around talking, everybody else going around talking, Eduardo being here talking?
	Who's like the part where I was trying to figure out with everybody that's there with Alessandro de Moraz, right?
	He just got off of X.
	We saw that.
	That was a few days ago.
	Whether he got off of X or he was kicked out of X, I think it's the reality that he got off.
	Who does he fear?
	Like, what does Alessandro de Moraz, who's he goes to sleep worried about?
	Who's he fearing?
	I don't know, but one thing that I can be sure about that is that he doesn't have peace.
	I have more freedom than him.
	Even then, even if he put me in jail, I have more freedom than him.
	Because he can't walk in Brazil.
	He can't.
	He can't go to an airport.
	He can't go to the downtown of Sao Paulo.
	He can't walk because people hate him because of what he's doing.
	Because Brazil, we have a lot of issues in Brazil, serious issues of criminal organizations.
	We have problems with education.
	We have economic problems.
	And like the judge of our Supreme Court is worried about Bolsonaro of a coup that never existed.
	So we are like, come on, do your job.
	Go be a constitution control court, not a political court.
	So people are very mad with him because he's not doing his job.
	He's a politician.
	He's a politician in charge.
	Mike, who do you think he fears?
	Because when he and X went back and forth, it didn't seem like he backed down.
	I mean, I think at one point, if I'm not mistaken, Elon had to fire everybody from X, and then he had to rehire some people back from X in Brazil to make sure they were in a safe place.
	So who does Alessandro fear?
	Oh, nobody.
	You're being serious.
	Sure.
	I agree with you.
	That's why I'm asking the question.
	Who gets in his way?
	What if all that money gets pulled?
	You're talking about the 12 million, there's billions here and there.
	What if all that money gets pulled?
	Because it seems like a lot of the strength they're exerting comes from that.
	That needs to be done immediately.
	And how much of it's left after USAID has been pulled away?
	Well, it comes from a lot of places.
	You have these Pentagon relationships between the U.S. military and the Brazilian Army.
	You have these State Department grants to the region, which are huge.
	Remember, USAID is getting folded into the state.
	So you have the State Department funds, then you also have the active AID ones that need to be cut, not just paused, but cut.
	You have the Department of Labor ones.
	You're probably going to have Department of Energy ones.
	You're going to have weird juicing of the universities through some of these other grant organs as well.
	All of that is one thing that at least creates a fair fight.
	I brought up, for example, the $12 million grant to Lula's unions right after the 2022 election.
	The Solidarity Center just gave a $7 million grant to the unions.
	That's tens of millions of dollars.
	You're capturing essentially, you're pumping up this.
	This is not Bolsonaro who's getting tens of millions of dollars from it.
	And so that also makes people ideology is a funny thing.
	Sometimes people are true believers.
	Most of the time, hearts and minds work is about cash.
	I always call it hearts and minds in cash because you're only really sort of getting the tail end of people through hearts and minds when they read the news.
	Usually it's downstream of their cultural leaders, their community leaders, their politicians, they're significant people of note in the country.
	And if you capture them with cash, you get the whole hearts and minds behind that.
	And so you take the coup cash out of Brazil.
	I think you will see a much fairer fight.
	And I think that people will be more responsive to their own people because they will not have a foreign source of funds that are basically telling them, advising what the judges should do.
	And again, getting back to that USAID SEPS program, they literally said in the launch event of the program that one of its purposes was to make the partner networks feel supported by the U.S. government.
	So one of the reasons that you've had this Perception that there's nothing to fear from any sort of anger of Americans against what Brazil did is because they had the support of the Biden administration.
	The U.S. Embassy didn't do squat when that happened.
	You remember I posted every day, day 27, day 28.
	Here is what the U.S. Embassy page, here's their Twitter account.
	They're posting about disabled gymnasts in Brazil and how we need to support the LGBTQIA 2 rock climbers in Brazil.
	As ex, a major U.S. champion was shut down and as Starlink, a major U.S. military contractor, had its assets seized.
	And as they began to, you know, potentially move into the Chinese Starlink competitor into that.
	This is the sort of thing we have a State Department to stop from happening.
	And the State Department was, you know, their silence, combined with the fact that they have formal State Department programs to make this happen, formal USAI programs to make this happen.
	You have Biden and Lula colluding on it.
	They wanted that to happen.
	They were supported for that to happen.
	The CEPS program literally says that the plan is to get foreign countries to implement legal and regulatory measures to go after the social media companies to force accountability on them.
	It's a question.
	Do you think any of that money makes its way to the politicians in the Senate?
	This could be a question for both of you.
	So like senators, people in the House, could that U.S. AIDS wives?
	Right, anything like that.
	It seems like there's a lot of potential for that.
	So could that be things that are motivating people in the center that seem to go whichever direction the wind's blowing?
	If you follow the money, I'm sure that you're going to find this money on these senators, in the families of the senators, of deputies, of course.
	There are a lot of guys that look like they have a lot more money than you'd expect them to have.
	We have that in our Congress.
	Yeah, the Supreme Court, our Supreme Court judges, they have a lot of watches that it's way more than his salary, like Patek Philippe, for example.
	Lula, for example, he had a lot of watches.
	The name in Brazil that the left did the propaganda on Lula was he's the father of the poor.
	He's the father of the poor.
	It's beautiful, right?
	That's a good catchphrase.
	Yeah, but he has a huge patrimony.
	And that's funny because look, the socialists in Brazil, they hate U.S.
	They hate U.S. Lula before the elections, he was calling Trump nasy.
	So call him lazy?
	No, nasy.
	Nasy?
	Nazi, sorry.
	Oh, Nazi.
	Nazi.
	Yeah, no, Nazi.
	Yeah, no, Nazi, Nazi.
	Nazi.
	So before the elections, Lula was calling Trump a Nazi.
	So socialists in Brazil, they hate the U.S.
	But now they're finding out that the taxpayers of the U.S. are sponsorship.
	Yeah, the socialists in Brazil.
	So Americans need to denounce this, like en masse.
	They wouldn't be happy if that money got pulled either because then that whole union program they have wouldn't be able to function.
	Of course, but that's what the socialists in the whole history do.
	They take the other money's people to their own money plan or their plan of power.
	But they are doing this with your money, your hard work at money.
	So it's crazy.
	To a government that is socialist.
	I don't have any doubt that Lula doesn't care about U.S.
	They care about their own interests.
	They care about China, whatever, but they don't care about U.S.
	It's nice, Mike, if you could speak to Brazilian people why it's so different and why it's so good to have conservative presidents in Brazil to make relationship with the U.S. and how bad is it to have Lula, for example, in the presidency of Brazil, because I think Brazil is a country that matters to U.S.
	I think my opinions on this are not hard to tease out from what I say, but I do feel it is inappropriate for me to, you know, my mission is about speech freedom.
	Okay.
	And in the course of that, I talk about all these adjacent things.
	I talk about the unions and the universities and all these other things because that's important to understand how the apparatus, why they were doing the censorship and the other things related to that operation.
	But that's for the Brazilian people to decide.
	And I think what was done to Bolsonaro was a human rights violation.
	It was the sort of thing that we typically put sanctions on foreign countries for doing in terms of destroying the democratic process.
	This is what we have democracy promotions programs to stop when countries arrest their political opponents, when their court systems get corrupt.
	That's why we have a judicial reform mandate for USAID, is when court systems get too corrupt to use the carrots and sticks of our diplomatic sphere to get them to course correct their judiciary.
	In this case, we literally did it to them.
	We said, you're not corrupt enough.
	You need to get more corrupt.
	But this is a testament to the corruption we had in our own country under the Biden administration.
	And in the beginning, this happened under Trump's nose.
	Part of this is because USAID does not have to report to the president when they do these type of operations.
	Unlike the CIA, they do not need to get a presidential finding for covert action.
	They can simply earmark the funds for humanitarian relief in Pakistan and then just run it through contractors to do things in Brazil.
	And I think the Trump administration had so much going on with RussiaGate and everything else happening at DHS and the border and COVID.
	And they frankly didn't really know how the anatomy of the beast that they were operating on.
	This is why I'm so encouraged that USAID was targeted in this way right out the gate so that at least you stop the bleeding and you go straight to the heart of it, which leads to all the other malfeasance in the Intel world and its state and DOD.
	Yes, but that is for the Brazilian people to decide.
	But I'm interested, obviously, in the human rights sector.
	As a Brazilian, I'm just going to give a tip to Trump's government.
	There's a lot of things that the Supreme Courts, judges have here in the U.S.
	They have a lot of things here.
	It's just a tip because as you said, who they fear?
	I think they fear to lose money.
	I think they fear to lose power.
	I think they want to come here to U.S. for some reason.
	And I think, truly, I think the only power instead of the people that can put an end of this tyranny or maybe to reduce the power of our Supreme Court is Trump administration.
	Doing not for revenge, but doing what is right.
	Because I agree with Mike, there was a right human violation with Bolsonaro.
	Not only Bolsonaro, but with the Brazilian people.
	Because all that I want is not that Bolsonaro becomes president with bad resources.
	I want that we have a fear election.
	That's all that we want.
	We want fear elections.
	So I'm sure if there was a fear election in Brazil in 2022, Bolsonaro would be the president.
	So that's all that we want.
	If there was a free election, you're saying Bolsonaro would be president.
	Yeah, for sure.
	Final thoughts before we wrap up, Nicolas.
	Final thoughts before we wrap up the podcast?
	Your optimism, your future, what you're thinking, what's going to happen next between now and election time Brazil.
	Where's your mind?
	What are you thinking?
	So I'm going to give a different answer maybe because everyone talks about politics if it was the last resource in the world.
	As a Christian, as I said to you in that table, I think my hope died 2,000 years ago.
	He resurrected from the cross, and that's where I put all of my faith and my belief.
	I think that we as human beings, we need to take care about our individual responsibilities.
	I think we need, as a man, need to be great husbands.
	I need that the women need to be great wives.
	We need to create children that has moral values.
	We need to know that we are creating children not to aim a good professional job, but we are raising a soul.
	And I think it changes everything because I can maybe go to jail.
	Maybe they can persecute me for my words.
	But all that this word can do to me, if they kill me, is to meet my savior.
	So I think that all the conservatives need not only to defend, not only to speak, but to live what they are defending for.
	I'm not only conservative because it's good for me to get in votes.
	I am conservative.
	I'm a Christian because otherwise I would be very far from here.
	I don't know where else I would be.
	I was born in Favela.
	My cousin was a drug dealer in there.
	So maybe my path would be very bad.
	But Christ saved me for this.
	So when I talk about politics, of course, I have enemies.
	I have the opposite guys that try to put me in jail and try to censorship me.
	But I look to them with eyes of compassion.
	I think we need to do this more.
	I was reading a book like one week ago, and there was a king called Filipineri, and he was walking down the streets, and then he saw a robber.
	And this robber was going to prison.
	And then he said, there goes Felipe Nero if it wasn't the grace of the Lord.
	So I think if we put this in our life, either in politics or in the podcast, we need to have purpose in life.
	Like U.S., for example, I read a lot about the American history.
	And I know that Herbert Marcuzi, Teodoro Dono, they left Frankfurt School.
	They came to here.
	They entered in the universities.
	After that, their ideas came to the gospels.
	And these reverbs reverberated in Brazil.
	Now, unfortunately, a lot of churches in Brazil, they have a lot of false Christians.
	They have a lot of people that are socialists, but they don't know.
	So that's our true war, our cultural war.
	Of course, I can put Bolsonaro in charge.
	We can have the Senate.
	We can have the Congress.
	Okay, that's fine.
	But there are a lot of places that has powers that changes your heart.
	Maybe here in U.S., an artist that goes on top of Spotify has more influence. in their life of your children than a father has in their own children.
	So we can't only be conservatives because it's good for us in the elections.
	We need to be conservatives because our life depends on this.
	That's what I'm aiming for my life, to be a good father, to be a good husband, to be a good politician.
	And my aim is to go to heaven.
	That's all that I want.
	So that's what I think for my life.
	It's a pleasure to be here, Patrick.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Mike.
	Sorry, Brendan.
	Thank you, Brendel.
	I never thought that I would be here talking about politics because it's very far from what I think I deserve.
	But I'm glad to be here.
	And I put God on this because I think he can truly transform people.
	Well, listen, just from spending the time with you, the first time we did a podcast here with Paulo, yourself, who else was on?
	Eduardo and one other person.
	Gustavo was here as well.
	He was an awesome guy.
	Yes.
	And we had a great conversation.
	And then in Brazil, while I'm out there, we're having dinner.
	No camera on.
	We had you and Humberto.
	We got to give a shout out to Humberto.
	Remember Humberto?
	He's awesome.
	Where is he?
	He's in Chile right now.
	Okay.
	I love you, Roberto.
	Humberto.
	I love you, man.
	Let me tell you, he loves you too afterwards.
	He said that was a very, that's why I like this guy.
	But no, no wonder you are loved because of where you're at, with your values.
	And everybody feels the same way.
	I'm excited to see what happens with you.
	Bolsonaro's interview drops in Wednesday morning, 9 a.m.
	We have the clip, but we'll show it on Wednesday, Rob.
	Let it just play on Wednesday.
	It's going to be fine.
	And Mike, I got to thank you.
	As much of a hard time as I give to you, you know, I consume what you talk about because the reality, the reason why it's that question with Dan Bongino and Cash and all that other stuff, I'm hoping there's an announcement you're getting hired.
	I think if I'm on that part, I would hire a guy like you to bring you in.
	You have a little bit too much knowledge that can't be wasted.
	And not only do you have that knowledge, the part that makes you even special, that's tough to do.
	I talked to a guy today who's training my son for soccer, 11 years old.
	He's been playing soccer and he's obsessed with soccer.
	He came up here to train my son.
	He lives an hour and a half away.
	This is a very well-known trainer.
	And I called him, I said, so tell me, what is your impression of my son when he gets trained?
	He says, I got to tell you, the first thing I do is I have to make sure a person's kid is not playing soccer because the parents want him to play soccer.
	He says, your son isn't playing soccer because of you.
	He's playing soccer because he loves the game.
	I said, trust me, if it was up to me, he'd play baseball because I like baseball more than I like soccer.
	I said, I want him to play baseball because we own a team.
	I'd like him to one day play for a team that I own so he can, you know, have fun.
	But this guy loves the game.
	I said, I can't stop him talking about soccer, but what he's doing.
	And he's a big Neymar guy.
	He's a big Ronaldo guy.
	We live next to Messi, so he's had a chance to meet Messi and he's met a lot of different people.
	But the reason why you need to be in is because you give me the vibes that you can't stop thinking about this stuff.
	This is you.
	You can't help yourself.
	You're obsessed with this.
	God is using you with this.
	I just hope the U.S. government uses you as well for this next phase.
	And if not anything, you said something very powerful.
	I just want to be useful, and I respect that.
	This is the second time we've spent time together.
	You seem very sincere.
	I'm glad you're on our side and keep digging and finding things that you find because half the stuff you showed me, I've not seen it before.
	So I'm following and I'm getting smart every time I hear you speak.
	I appreciate your last minute getting on a flight and coming out here and being with us.
	Well, likewise.
	And, you know, your leadership on this, I think, is going to encourage millions of people, you know, on this.
	And thanks for having us on.
	It was a great, great conversation.
	Yeah.
	And Brandon, we got to give a shout out to Brandon who got, I've not met many people in my life that got a bachelor's degree in national security and a master's in national security.
	This guy devours this stuff.
	And he was in Brazil with us as well.
	Gang, for those of you that are Brazilian, if you know, go show the support.
	You know the books that this man has wrote.
	This handsome man, everybody is saying he looks like Marcelo from SNL.
	He looks like Marcelo, the comedian rob.
	Can you pull up Marcelo from SNL?
	Pull up Marcelo from SNL for people to realize Marcelo right there.
	He is one of the biggest comedians in America for SNL.
	Maybe, maybe one of the funniest guys in the world.
	I would put Vinny as very funny, but this guy's up there as well.
	Phenomenal work that he does.
	You guys look like you're twins, if not cousins or relations.
	That looks like your brother right there.
	It really looks like, man.
	And by the way, he's the best comedian on SNL.
	The best comedian on SNL.
	Again, gang, follow the story.
	Stay close to everybody.
	Brazil, U.S., share this message with other people as well.
	God bless everybody.
	Take care.

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