Patrick Bet-David, Tom Ellsworth, Vincent Oshana, and Adam Sosnick are joined by Cenk Uygur as they cover California's tsunami warning, deny, defense, depose & the assassination of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, and Biden's preemptive pardons for Cheney, Schiff & Fauci.
Cenk Uygur is a Turkish-American political commentator, media personality, and the co-founder of The Young Turks (TYT), a progressive online news and commentary platform.
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56:27 - House Select Committee on COVID releases report.
1:11:31 - Peter Hotez warns about another pandemic coming.
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Okay, so there's something special about today's podcast.
What's special about today's podcast, the fact that this is the last time we will be doing this out of the bank vault, especially after buying the new building.
We'll be moving out to the next one, to the new building next week, Tuesday.
So it is the last one here.
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If you want to find any remaining money that was left in the bank vault, look for it.
Today, we have a very special guest with us.
I don't know how to introduce him, to be honest with you, because some say he is going to be the head of the RNC here soon.
Some say he's the face of MAGA.
Some say he's going to run for the governor of California as a Republican ticket.
Some say he's left liberal, left-wing, socialist, whatever you want to call it.
He is full-blown MAGA.
I mean, that's a concern.
I saw a tweet yesterday from a lady that you tweeted out in your thread, and she said, I had such high hopes for you, this lady named Joe.
I can't believe you're doing this.
I can't believe you're going to go and do XYZ.
But anyways, we have Jenk back on the PBD podcast.
How you doing?
I'm great, brother.
Great to be here.
And this is the last episode in the vault.
This is all.
Yes, yes.
And you know, I said I'm happy to cut the Pentagon.
So if I find any money in here, I'm going to give it back to the American people.
We got to pay back.
We got $32 trillion.
We got some money to pay back.
We'll go buy a couple tanks, go cruising.
Yeah.
So, okay, let me tell you what stories we're going to go through here.
We got a lot of weird stories to go through, and then we'll get right into the topics.
One story here from Media, November 29th.
Jenk, you grew optimistic after Trump's victory.
MAGA is not my mortal enemy.
What?
The establishment is.
Jenk saying this?
Yes.
They threaten you.
Pete Heck said, mother calls on Americans to disregard media after private email went public.
And I think Pete responded to the media yesterday.
Maybe, Rob, if you had that clip to show it as well, that'd be great.
Biden was wrong to shun Musk.
Says who?
The one and only Bill Clinton says that.
Biden White House is discussing preemptive pardons for those in Trump's crosshairs.
Some of the names that they're talking about is Vauci, maybe his brother, and a few, maybe even himself.
They're dropping these names there because the pardon that Hunter got was a legendary one, but we'll talk about that.
Mark Cupin says he'd win the White House with Charles Barkley as his VP.
No question about it.
Some of it was fun, funny, but I think there's a part of him that he's convinced he could be the president.
Maybe we'll talk about that.
40% of job seekers say they haven't had a single job interview this year.
Not one job interview this year.
Maybe that's because 40% of them are not even seeking a job this year, right?
Maybe those two go, who knows?
Maybe there's more story to it.
We'll cover it.
Couple other things.
There was a, you saw the CEO of United Healthcare was shot, gunned down in New York at 7 a.m. in the morning.
Crazy.
Disturbing, absolutely disturbing.
And I had an insurance meeting yesterday at Boca Resort the last two days.
That's where I've been, where I've been kind of away.
The company that purchased our company has a major relationship with that insurance company because of Terrier doing business.
So it was a topic of discussion to see.
We'll cover that as well.
San Francisco was concerned about tsunami and, you know, the 7.0 earthquake that hit.
And one of the biggest things is this clip you got to see with the traffic driving on what would happen if a tsunami actually was to come in.
Those people would not make it.
We'll cover that.
They're trying to create a division between Vivek and Elon.
I told you they're going to try to do it.
And they're starting with Vivek and Elon.
We'll show the clip and we'll give our thoughts and commentary on the division between the two.
And then images of unmasked suspect emerge.
We'll show that clip.
This is the person that killed the CEO.
Trump picks David Sachs, venture capitalist, as his AI and crypto czar.
Then we have a transgender 10-year-old fears being murdered because of her identity.
This is a CNN story.
We must cover that because it's a CNN story.
Call Her Daddy drags Kamala Harris saying $100,000 was not so nice cardboard walls in some random house.
Wow.
Now she's throwing her under the bus.
House COVID-19 panel releases final report criticizing public health response to the pandemic.
Canada bans more types of firearms and proposes donating guns to Ukraine.
And last but not least, we have to show that clip, Rob, of Peter Hotez.
This man is the modern day Nostradamus.
He's predicting a day after inauguration, there's going to be a pandemic.
Yeah, 95% of the time.
January 21st, we have to be ready for it.
So listen, I don't know if you guys have put on your masks or not.
Maybe you want to mask up right now.
Does he have any keys?
Does he have any keys?
Obama suddenly concerned about rigged elections and weaponizing government against opponents.
No way.
Jenkin, I really want to get your thoughts on that one there.
But by the way, so let me tell you guys what's going on.
I love the fact that everybody is now using the phrase future looks bright.
I love it.
I love Elon the other day tweets out future is bright.
David Sachs tweets out after he got the right there, Rob, if you can show it, the future is bright.
And then you got David Sachs who writes this out yesterday.
Thank you to president.
And at the last, the last line says what?
Under your leadership, the future is bright.
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My favorite is this green one.
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So let's get right into it.
Jenk, are you now a Republican?
Okay, so a lot of people on the left have that theory.
The definitive answer is no.
So look, I've been a populist all along, and what's fascinating to me is how much politics in America has changed.
Because the left-wing populists, like the Bernie Sanders type of guys, have been standing a post waiting for our right flank to appear at some point.
Because things, giant things like getting money out of politics, you cannot do alone.
The left wing can't do it alone.
The right wing can't do it alone.
The only way to fix it is an amendment because you got to go above the Supreme Court.
You need three quarters of the states.
So for me, I've always thought, If we don't get united, we're never going to beat the establishment.
And the establishment has been my enemy forever and ever and ever.
And I wish we had beaten them, you know, through Bernie in 2016 or 2020.
And I'm not saying that they're knocked out.
I mean, the establishment is gigantic.
They've got billions and trillions of dollars and they're going to make a huge comeback in the 2028 primaries.
But on the Republican side, they've largely been defeated.
And so here's what my left wing friends don't understand.
They think you guys are all MAGA and MAGA means it's a cult and you're never going to disagree with Trump.
You're never going to disagree with each other.
And that you are like their father's Republicans, but you're not their father's Republicans.
And so our side, I've been trying to get them to realize that Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, all these folks that take the money, they're not on your side.
They're on the establishment side, right?
And for you guys on the right, when I used to debate you, and I don't mean you guys in specific, I mean in general, all I would get is wall-to-wall talking points.
Oh, Mitch McConnell knows what he's doing.
Oh, John Corner is the best.
Oh, you know, George Bush, Dick Cheney, et cetera.
And I, you know, we've been around forever.
We're the longest running show in internet history, right?
We're the first YouTube partner channel ever.
That makes me like the original YouTuber, right?
And so I battled the Cheneys.
I battled all those guys in the bush years, right?
And then I hit Obama from the left and people got super mad.
I mean, that's part of the reason why I had the huge blowout with MSNBC and I left MSNBC because they didn't want me to hit Obama and they didn't want me to hit the Democrats.
So I've been doing that from day one.
And guys, today I think that, you know, we could do something historic.
I think that we could actually unite the left flank and the right flank.
And I've got a model for how to do that.
And I want to run it by you guys.
I've got a couple of rules for the internet that I want to run by you guys.
Rules sound bad, right?
But hold on.
I think you're going to like these rules.
And then I want to see, hey, is there a couple of things that we can unite on right now on this show, make this show a little bit historic and say, hey, this is what the internet thinks.
This is what the populace of the right and the left think.
Let's go tackle the establishment and make it happen.
Okay.
So before we do that, can I ask you a couple of questions?
Of course.
So for you, election night, we had you on.
You came, you spoke.
You're a fiery guy.
You're a true believer.
You're a guy that we've all seen you.
You're not a guy that you actually are not acting.
Like you actually believe what you believe in and you actually get upset.
You really are upset, right?
So I know it's going to sound weird.
I think there is an element of Alex in you.
There's an element of you in Alex.
I know you don't want to hear that part.
I'm telling you as a person that's a viewer, you guys have been on both for a long time.
You guys have both been hated by opposing sites.
And I think you guys have a lot of similarities from the messaging that you believe in.
Now, you may not agree with each other, but that's the messaging.
What do you think with all these ideas?
Like, you know, sometimes for me, I'm running a business and I have some ideas.
I create a comp and a comp has not grown a company.
But I said, it's the right comp.
You're later.
Nothing's happening.
But it's the right comp.
Two years later, three years later, five years later, nothing's happening.
Then you have to sit there and say by yourself.
And this is not easy to do.
I've shut down my channel twice for three months because I sat down with Mario and I said, Look, the last hundred videos, we haven't had any views that get 100, 100,000 views.
Why is that?
We only have two of them.
And we had 40 videos over a million views.
Why have our last hundred not performed?
We kind of talked about that a little bit when I was on you on your show as well.
And then we shut down.
We're like, okay, let's regroup.
Watch those videos that you used to do.
Watch this here.
What's happened with the climate?
What's changed?
Is the market pivoting?
You're not.
Are you with your values and principles that you had?
The results for you.
What did you notice where you said, maybe I was wrong with these principles that I thought were the right way to think about?
I know I was right about this.
This is the one thing that, whether I'm right or wrong, I'm not compromising.
It's my conviction.
But I know I was wrong about these two things.
Is there anything that you personally went through?
Yeah, it's there's a tiny on policy, but more on how to react to the right wing, which is a really, I think, interesting conversation.
So, look, I get why the left is skeptical because what happens is usually there's a pattern.
And unfortunately, some former TYT hosts have done this where they beseech the right wing.
They start agreeing a little bit and then a lot.
And then next thing you know, they're pulling a Reuben or eating a Reuben sandwich.
And I don't eat that, right?
And I don't do that.
But what, so but what has happened to the core of your question?
So there's tiny things around policy.
Like I believe in no cash bail, right?
So if two guys commit a sexual assault, one is poor and one is rich, the rich guy pays bail, gets out.
The poor guy can't.
And by the way, they're accused.
It's alleged, right?
You don't know.
But the poor guy stays in jail for mainly being poor.
So it makes sense to be for no cash bail.
But what wound up happening is California, for example, reduced some felonies to misdemeanors, which they didn't really tell us.
It was in a prop measure.
I voted for the prop measure, but they never actually said in the ballot measure, we're going to reduce penalties for these crimes, which are some significant crimes.
And when you combine the two things, repeat offenders kept getting out of jail and doing another crime and another crime and another crime.
And I realized, okay, wait a minute, we got an issue here.
So on no cash, first of all, on the issue of taking the felonies to misdemeanors, once we found out what was going on, I'm like, look, I've been to every progressive convention there's been and every progressive conference, talked to every leader, et cetera.
I never heard anyone say, let's take felonies and turn them into misdemeanors.
I don't know where the hell that came from, right?
So I said, okay, now that I see that, okay, if you commit three offenses, then you're a repeat offender and you have to put up a cash bail.
Okay.
So if you're a guy, oh my golly, something you got accused and you didn't do it, okay, no cash bail, right?
But if you do it three times, you got to put up bail, no question.
And now we voted in California for Prop 36, and I made the position against what you guys would call extreme left or radical left.
I'm trying to call them max left now to be respectful, right?
But those guys said crime is imaginary.
And I said, no, crime is not imaginary.
Crime is definitely real and crime is going up.
And guys, if we don't do something about putting these folks in jail, if they're repeat offenders, we're going to lose everybody.
And they said, you're nuts.
That's not going to happen.
Then Prop 36 in California was to put them back to felonies, right?
It won with 70% of the vote.
70% of the vote, right?
In California.
And that's my point to my friends on the max left.
Like, you guys want to be maximalists, but that's not where Democratic voters are, let alone Republican voters.
So I was never in favor of making them misdemeanors, but I was in favor of unlimited cash bail.
Now that I've changed that, but you see, it's tiny.
It's a tiny change based on what I saw, based on experience, based on these guys getting out and doing again, again, again.
But the main thing, Patrick, is before when I battled the right wing, it was a wall, right?
I'm just like, we're all, nobody's listening to one another.
They're just doing talking points.
I hated it.
And then MAGA looked like they were 100%, I'll be honest.
I mean, in 2020, I was super pissed and I said, you know, look, I don't want to talk to Trump supporters.
All I hear is the same thing, Trump, And they never waver.
So what I'm saying to the left now is, no, I'm seeing something new and different here.
The MAGA base has changed.
Okay.
That doesn't mean they don't like Trump.
It doesn't mean that they're not right wing.
But there is a significant portion of the MAGA base now that is, in my opinion, right-wing populists who are actually anti-establishment, actually anti-corruption, actually anti-war.
And what I'm trying to tell the left is take the win.
Take the win.
We've been standing opposed here for 20 years trying to cut the Pentagon, trying to be anti-war, getting money out of politics.
If people say yes, for God's sake, those are our, that's our lost tribe.
Those are our right-wing brother and sisters who are Americans, who are populists, who agree with us.
Let's go fight the establishment together because if we're united, they cannot stop us.
Are you at all in a place right now, you're registered, what, Democrat?
Yeah.
Okay.
Are you at all at a place where you've thought about being a registered independent or libertarian?
So look, the reason I became a Democrat is because in California, if you're an independent, you can't vote in Democratic primaries.
And so I wanted to vote for Bernie Sanders, et cetera.
So I became a Democrat.
And I don't have any problem staying in the Democratic Party.
I ran for president of the Democratic Party as a protest candidate against Biden, as you remember, right?
So, but the, but now we're in a situation where we've got realignment, where we've got there's a left-right spectrum, then there is a populist establishment spectrum, right?
So I am center left, but I'm way populist.
I'm 100% populist, right?
So things are moving.
If it turns out, and the parties have switched before, if the parties completely switch, then I don't have any allegiance to a party label or name, right?
But right now, the Republicans are still right-wing.
Democrats are still left-wing.
So I'm going to stay there.
So why do you think the Democratic Party lost a Rogan, lost a Tulsi, lost a Bobby, lost a Musk, lost a Trump, lost a, all these guys were former Democrats.
Why do you think, and let's set Trump aside, because maybe Trump's Democrat in the 80s and 90s.
Let's kind of come to the names recently, like Musk, like Rogan, like Tulsi, like Bobby, these guys.
Why do you think they're losing these names?
Yeah, so everything's a little bit different and every person's different.
So Tulsi, I think, was always secretly a right-winger, but Bobby Kennedy Jr. was not.
He was definitely a Democrat, right?
And so he's a decent example.
So Bobby has opinions that a lot of people on the left don't agree with, right?
To which I say something revolutionary to the left.
So what?
Okay, so, okay, he agrees with us on the environment.
He agrees with us on housing, on anti-corruption.
He doesn't agree with us on vaccines, fluoride, et cetera, right?
Why don't we have a conversation with the brother?
Why don't we include him?
Why don't we do a real primary?
And if he wins, he wins.
If he loses, he loses.
Do you believe in democracy or don't you believe in democracy?
And look, he would have easily lost the primary, in my opinion, the Democratic side.
But what the Democrats, and this is a culture problem, right?
So on policy, I'm totally left-wing.
But when you talk about culturally, there's a couple of issues that are going on.
Number one, I've always been like a, when I was a kid, I was a hulkamaniac, right?
And so, and I look, I love all you folks who love the art and the opera and the ballet and stuff.
And there's nothing wrong with that.
And my sister does and my friends, et cetera.
But I'm not that guy.
Like when I listen to NPR, I'd always be like, why are they whispering?
Why don't they speak the fuck up?
Like, so very soothing.
Yeah.
So culturally, I've always been a populist too.
But the real problem with the left and the Democratic Party these days culturally is we don't want you, we don't want you, we don't want you.
If there's a 2% disagreement, we want to cancel you and get you the hell out of here.
Right-wing, in my opinion, has their own version of cancel culture.
We can get into that.
But if the right wing, you agree with them 2%, they're like, oh, we'll come in, come to the party.
Oh, yeah, come on in, come on in.
And if one party's constantly pushing people out and the other party is constantly inviting them in, well, at some point, the party inviting them in has a bigger tent and you not only win the election, you win the popular vote.
So Democrats have to get out of this mindset of, you must agree with Democratic leadership.
And if you don't, you're ruining unity.
Shut up and get back in line.
No, hell no.
Young Turks have never been in line.
We're never going to get in line.
We're not going to get in line for MAGA.
We're not going to get in line for the Democratic Party.
And these idiots said, bow your head to Joe Biden.
And Pat, you know, I was on the show.
I was on every show.
And I said, what are you guys nuts?
His brain has fallen out of his ear.
He's shaking hands with invisible people.
He thinks his uncle was eaten by cannibals.
You guys are lunatics.
And I will not agree to being a lunatic for your agenda.
So look, to me, like, look, I want to propose this as rules for the age.
I want to hear it.
Go for it.
But it's like, it's so important that both the right wing and left wing agree with this, right?
So let me bounce it off, you guys.
Number one rule, when we disagree, we fight.
And there's nothing wrong with that.
Nothing wrong.
It's America.
Okay.
We disagree.
We got freedom of speech.
Let's rumble.
Let's brawl.
There's nothing wrong with that.
What do you mean, rumble and brawl?
I mean, of course, rhetorically, politically, not violent.
Throw down right now, Jeff.
Because as simple as that sounds, that was not popular with the left the last eight years.
We've invited so many people from the left, and we will always invite them.
But unfortunately, they don't like to fight as much as the other side likes to fight.
Okay.
But rule two.
Rule number two of the internet.
Afterwards, you must have a beer together.
Okay.
Tip O'Neill and Reagan.
Yeah.
And so what I mean by that is you don't have to love the other guy.
You don't have to agree with him.
But we got to go back to being Americans.
Right.
So, okay, we have a fight.
Then let's go get a beer.
So what?
Okay.
I don't agree with you on healthcare.
I don't agree with you on trans issues.
And I know some people say, hey, look, is there a line that goes too far?
Yeah, for some people, there's a line that goes too far.
But in general, let's go back to listening to one another.
We've been yelling at each other.
And by the way, I mean, I'm guilty of it too.
I mean, I think as far as yelling on the internet goes, to your point, I've done that many, many times.
But I try to have a beer afterwards so that we can still be a country together.
Okay.
And last one is number three is when we agree, let's do something really bold and unite.
Okay.
And if we unite, we will be invincible.
Because look, as I said in that tweet, my mortal enemy is the establishment, the one that says, no, the politicians are honest.
No, the donor money doesn't affect anyone.
You know, this absurdity of CNN and New York Times pretending that the donor money doesn't affect the candidates and it doesn't affect the bills.
When they start talking about legislation and we're talking about, hey, can we negotiate drug prices?
And you're not talking about big pharma spending billions, if not trillions of dollars in lobbying and donating to the politicians, et cetera.
No, it's utter corruption.
And we cannot beat that corruption unless we unite.
So if the right wing, if I'm right about the right-wing populace, and I made a bet with one of my co-hosts last night, okay, well, I can tell you about that too.
But if I'm right about the right-wing populists and we unite on some things that we agree on, I think we're going to be invincible and finally, finally beat the establishment.
So I like that.
Number one, if we disagree, let's fight.
Let's debate.
Two, afterwards, let's have a glass of, let's have beer together.
Three, if we do agree, let's unite and let's celebrate it and let's come across as a united crowd, united group.
I like that.
Going back to the conversation with Trump.
So Trump won and he got how many votes?
I'm looking at it right now: 77 million votes.
Okay.
And the only person that ever beat him is the GOAT, Joe Biden.
But he got Jordan.
Yeah, he got 77 million votes himself.
And by the way, just so you know, even the great Obama in 2008 got 69 million votes.
In 2012, he got 65 million votes.
Hillary Clinton got 65 million votes in 2016.
And in 2020, Trump got 74.
And now he got 77 million votes, seven battleground states, all that stuff.
Why do you think he won so single-handedly?
Like, it's not even close.
Yeah.
Well, look, the popular vote was close.
But so now when the Republicans win the popular vote, it feels like a mandate because they usually lose.
But he did.
He won fair and square, right?
And he won with a big vote and he won all the swing states.
So, and I, and as again, as you guys know, I was warning that he could easily do that.
And my Democratic friends were like, oh, you're crazy.
Trump's not going to win.
No one I know likes Trump.
No, you're in a bubble.
Everyone's in their own bubble, right?
And probably if you had asked some MAGA guys, they probably thought he's going to get 80% or something, right?
No, we're in different bubbles.
And what's interesting, Pat, is that I speak both languages.
I speak populist and establishment.
I speak right-wing and left-wing.
I can understand and I could translate for folks, right?
So why did Trump win?
Why was he popular?
Because he's at least trying to appear to be a populist.
Whether he actually is is a good question and is going to be settled by the next four years, right?
But he, look, I'll give you the example I always give.
This random guy, Nick Smith, doing a strike at a Waffle House in Western Virginia.
And we go interview him in the 2016 election.
And he says, look, while my family's coal miners, right?
And our reporter asked, why are you guys thinking of voting for Trump?
Right.
And he says, look, Hillary Clinton comes here and tells us we're going to lose our jobs and there's no hope.
Trump at least has the decency to lie to us.
Okay.
And he says, we got hope.
The future is bright, et cetera, right?
And that makes a huge difference.
And so, and then our candidates are so terrible.
And, you know, after an election loses, you see cable news, CNN and MSNBC, what do they do?
They blame the voters.
They blame Russia.
They blame Bernie.
They blame every, they blame me.
They blame everyone except the candidates.
So Kamala Harris was a terrible candidate.
When you go out there and you're like, I will only do talking points.
I will not have any real conversations.
Then you're not authentic.
Trump appears to be authentic, even though in my opinion, he lies a lot, but he appears to be authentic.
Whereas our guys look like corporate robots.
And what's the lesson they learned?
I guarantee you, in the next primary, the Democratic establishment will run Yavin Newsom, Pete Buttigig.
They're like, no, no, no, these are the new improved corporate talking robots, right?
And that's not the point.
Authentic and populist.
And by the way, Pat, all across the world, look at what just happened in France.
The left and the right got together, both populists, and said no to the establishment.
Enough with, you know, taking it to the average man.
Listen, I'm with you on the establishment side, you know, because you saw the other day Bernie Sanders agreeing with Musk.
What?
What is that all about?
I mean, that's both of them are anti-establishment.
So that is the area of agreement.
So I agree with you there, Tom.
You were going to say something.
Yeah, I appreciate you use the word authentic.
We did a 17-week show where we were counting down the polls every week.
We were going through, and we found the true polls that were Trafalgar, Rasmussen, and Atlas Intel proven because their polls lined up with the results.
So guess what?
They were polling in apparently the right way.
And then you had those that were trying, those that were false, and those were for sale.
And so the authenticity, you said authentic, and we saw authentic coming in because we saw a heat poll that was done on the intensity of voters feeling about a certain issue.
And in Arizona, the intensity of Democrat and Republican voters on immigration was very high.
Why?
They're seeing it in their state live.
They're seeing people that are homeless, that are people that have come across the border.
So they're seeing it live and in color.
In Missouri, immigration was more like a debate at the barbershop.
In Arizona, it was like they're seeing people in front of Walmart, in front of the ATM, at their gas station, and the issue was right there on the front doorstep.
So the authenticity of the concern of the voter that was in Arizona was something that you can't just do talking points to stoke fear and then walk away.
And that's what Harris did there.
And that's why it was a 5.61%.
He had a five-point victory in previously close Arizona.
So there is some, you say authentic about the candidates, but there's also something authentic about the voters.
The voters were voting for their very authentically felt positions.
And are you going to improve my life here on this issue or not?
And we saw the heat map in Arizona.
We're like, you know what?
You know, if she doesn't come out with something other than talking points in Arizona, they don't even understand that these good polls were showing that the underlying intensity of the authentic feeling of the American voter.
And I feel like candidates in the establishment take that for granted and just try to give you talking points to stoke fear, to sway you.
They're not really speaking to your authentic needs.
Yeah.
So let me address that in two ways real quick.
So the only thing that I said I got wrong in this election and I came out and did a video about it is I was saying throughout the election, I didn't believe Trafalgar and I didn't believe those polls.
I thought they were leaning too Republican on purpose, et cetera.
I was wrong.
They were more accurate.
Right.
And so number one in our mission statement is boldly pursue the truth.
Right.
And the truth is non-negotiable.
So if it turns out that they had the more accurate polls and those three did.
There's a lot of pollsters that were off the waterfall.
And the more traditional pollsters were wrong.
Well, then you got to say it.
It doesn't help to try to like, oh, no, no, but next time let's keep lying to ourselves that we're going to win, right?
If you got to deal in the reality-based world.
And so, but the larger point about policy is, look, a lot of my friends in the max left, they think that crime is imaginary and it's a right-wing narrative.
And that when I say it's real, that I'm helping a right-wing narrative.
But look at California.
What does that even mean?
No, no, I get right now.
Let him go.
I know.
I think I know where he's going.
I said that a couple times.
What does that even mean?
Crime is not real.
Yeah, so what they're saying is it's not really going up.
You guys are, you know, and here's a poll thing.
And if it is going up, it's actually because CVS is installed automation machines.
And there's some truth to that.
And that's let some people.
But at the bottom line, are people stealing catalytic converters?
Are they did, you know?
People got shot in the street, assassinated in the middle of freaking New York.
Yeah.
Is auto theft up, et cetera.
So the point I wanted to make is in California, we passed Prop 47 that I told you about before.
We accidentally moved some felonies into misdemeanors because I think we got lied to.
They tried to reverse that in 2020 and it lost.
It only got 38% of the vote.
Totally lost at the polls.
Why?
Because at that point, crime had not spiked.
So the voters didn't respond to it.
It didn't matter if there was a right-wing narrative.
It didn't matter what the propaganda was.
So it was COVID crime, to be specific.
Yeah.
So before 2020, when we voted 2020, COVID hadn't happened.
We hadn't had the spike.
So the California voters, Democratic voters were like, no, no, we're rejecting it.
After the spike in 2021, 2022 in crime, which was real, then the voters come back and go, yeah, no, we're rejecting it now.
Okay, now we're going 69% saying, bring him back up to felonies.
I saw the crime.
You know, it's because of what Tom is saying.
It's not imaginary.
Like, I experienced crime.
My neighbor experiences crime.
See, I tell this story and the left gets super mad about it.
One of my neighbors, well, there's so many things that happen to all my neighbors, right?
But one of my neighbors, a homeless guy, comes in and starts leering at the young woman she's got inside the house.
And he's doing crazy things.
And she comes out and she's outraged.
She says, I got to, I'm going to call the cops.
He says, go ahead.
They're not going to come.
And this was at the height of 21, 22, when it was just a mess in LA and California, right?
And so, and she's freaked out and she calls the cops and they're not coming.
And he's like, I told you.
He's like, I could just go take a seat in your backyard and there's nothing you could do about it.
Unbelievable.
And when stuff like that happens, you lose Democratic voters.
You lose all voters and people get super mad.
But what you're saying is absolutely correct about California crime.
And I'll back up one chapter so everybody listening can understand this.
There's a thing called the three strikes law that happened in California.
California passed it.
We're tough on crime.
We're going to do this.
And there was certainly crime that was there.
Kamala Harris ran as AG, and she was putting African-American males in prison at an over-index rate because the three strikes law actually went a little too low on what was a strikable offense.
You know what I'm talking about?
They all end up in jail.
And they're like, we need to repeal the three strikes law.
And the Dem said, oh, we can't take that to the voters.
They'll say we're soft on crime.
And there are bright reds in Central California.
We can't have that.
So you know what they did?
They took felonies and they dropped them to misdemeanors.
So now you get less strikes because I've classified what's a strike, which led to the part you're talking about.
So there was government interference and there is liberal game playing with the three strikes law where at the hands of Kamala Harris, who is known as one of the most racist AGs, but you can't say that.
She's not racist.
She's here.
But if you go back in history and look at it, Californians have woken up to what was a 20-year run from three strikes to, let's not call them strikes anymore.
Let's bring them down to misdemeanors.
And finally, the voters come back and go, at the post-COVID spike, they're like, you know what?
Yeah, you know what?
This makes me think about that.
I'm pissed off.
We're going the other way.
Simplify it.
Here's what it comes down to to me.
Common sense prevails.
It's very simple.
Bad policies have consequences.
Data shows everything.
You can sit there and say whatever you want.
You're claiming you have better ideas.
Like, you know, in PHP, guys will say, I think we're doing it better than them.
Really?
Yeah.
Go ahead.
Show it in 2020.
I think we're right and the other guys are wrong.
Go ahead.
Show your formula and show us what you do.
And all of a sudden it's like, oh, shit, they were right.
Yeah, they were right.
So maybe you ought to go back to listening to what's working.
Common sense wins.
Bad policies got exposed by Democrats in ways I cannot even believe that so many people bought into it, the basics, right?
And then data, data coming back showing, yeah, California lost a trillion dollars of money under management.
New York lost a trillion dollars of money under management.
California, first time since 1850, 1851, you had a net migration rate of negative back to back to back.
There is a reason for that.
People are leaving you.
And you know what?
What was the most incredible data point that came out after the election?
It's the map, the map that shows which states got bluer and which states got redder.
I don't know if you've seen this or not.
Which states got redder, which states got bluer.
Rob, we've shown this before.
This is another one.
Which states got black.
Check slack, right?
When you saw this, 50 states, 100% of all states in America went more red.
What are we talking about?
And by the way, look who went the reddest.
Yeah, exactly.
California and New York.
Look at those two.
So by the way, here's the thing.
You know what?
When sometimes we think about them, we say, don't make my Florida California.
Don't make my Texas.
And the one thing with us is, guess what?
I've lived in California.
So have I. I've lived in Texas for five years.
And now we've been in Florida for four years.
Okay.
Texas got redder, but the fear was, well, what are you going to do when all the conservatives and Republicans and the red leaves New York and California?
New York and California are going to get bluer.
That's not what happened.
So even with the red leaving, whoever that was left became, I don't know if you understand what even after people left and people stayed, the people of that state even got redder to say, dude, these policies are ridiculous.
I'm out.
Thoughts?
Yeah.
So Latino men is a good example.
So Latino men were heavily on the Democratic side and Democrats view politics.
Look, I think the right wing plays identity politics too.
Again, we can get into that.
But unfortunately, for the Democratic establishment, they view everything through identity.
And they're like, okay, blacks are ours.
Latinos are ours.
Women are ours.
Educated are ours, et cetera, right?
Educated is at least about something you did as opposed to who you are.
But they took Latino men for granted.
And then after the election, when Latino men flipped over to the Republicans and to Trump, they started saying, oh, they're sexist.
That's why they got that macho culture, et cetera.
First of all, blaming the voters, incredibly dumb strategy and also incorrect.
And if you ignore that map that you just showed, that's a disaster for the Democratic Party.
If you keep ignoring reality and ignoring the truth, that's how you lead to more losses.
So if Latino men are so sexist, then why is the president of Mexico a woman?
Right?
If Latino men are so sexist, why did they vote for Hillary Clinton by a 31-point margin?
This doesn't have anything to do with sexism.
What it has to do with is that you didn't deliver for Latinos.
But Drink, it wasn't just Latino men.
It was also black men, white men, basically any man.
I'll tell you a quick story.
A guy tells me, he goes, so you voted for Biden?
I was like, yeah, I actually did.
And you voted for Hillary?
Yeah, I did.
So you're going to vote for Kamala?
I go, no, no, no, I'm on the Trump train.
He goes, straight up.
I go, yeah.
He goes, oh, so you're not gay.
I'm like, what is that supposed to mean?
He goes, because the Democrat, they're just gays.
They're just the gay party now.
As a straight man, how do you vote for them?
And I looked at him and I go, you're actually absolutely right.
So you're a straight guy.
Any straight guy, I mean, men have not been gravitating away from the Democratic Party for the last four to five years.
And it's just getting weirder and weirder and less common sense.
So you're talking about they're fragmenting just Latino men.
Every man in America is like, nah, I'm good.
So why do you think just men are overwhelmingly done with the Democratic Party?
Obviously, it's more nuanced than that because the percentages are not.
It's actually not that nuanced.
The number has shifted dramatically.
But I grant you the shift.
That's exactly what we're talking about, right?
I'm not the gay community.
Go ahead, please.
Okay, so how can I be homophobic?
My girlfriend's gay.
Okay, that's an interesting story.
We'll come back to the channel.
So let's not talk about Frank.
So look, I remember when the Democrats used to brag, oh my God, we got this big lead with women.
And I'm like, well, these elections are super closed.
That means you have a huge deficit with men, right?
You're only, you're leaving out half the equation.
So why is the Democratic Party in some ways driving out men?
Again, we got to be real about it.
We got to be truthful about it.
It's because of perceptions.
And what is the perception?
Is it the policy?
Have they passed any laws against men?
Not that I know of, right?
So I don't think it's policy.
I think it's optics.
So the optics is whenever there's a guy who's being a tough guy or strong, will some guys who are being tough go too far?
Of course, of course.
Are there some actual toxic guys?
Of course, there's guys who beat their wives, et cetera, right?
But anytime anybody did anything, it was called toxic masculinity.
But sometimes it's just masculinity and it's not toxic, right?
And every time you call it toxic masculinity, at the drop of a hat, at the slightest little thing, what you're doing is you're pushing men away.
You're pushing them away.
Because they're saying, wait a minute, I thought protecting women was just masculinity, not toxic masculinity, right?
And now if that's toxic, then everything I learned is wrong.
Like I'm supposed to protect and provide.
And that's not, I didn't think that was a bad thing.
And now, so I just feel like that's why I bring up the crime thing because I think the right wing and the left wing have massive misconceptions about each other.
And one of the misconceptions the right wing has is that the craziest guy you heard on the left represents all Democratic voters.
And that, and what we just showed in California is that's not at all true.
California with Democratic voters are saying, I don't want this extreme stuff either, right?
And so I think that kind of language pushed a lot of people away.
But also economic things matter, right?
And so now we got both earners, of course, right?
And women are head of household in terms of earning more money in a lot of households, et cetera.
But when you're going to buy a house, the house costs more and it's really hard, right?
And wages are lower and everything is hard.
And the answer to that is not elect more minorities or elect more women.
Now, if they're a great minority, great.
If they're great women, great, right?
But when you say elect based on identity, you're losing people, including men, who are saying, yeah, yeah, don't stop talking to me about identity.
Start talking to me about the housing prices and about my wages, et cetera.
So a combination of all those things did great damage in pushing men away.
All right.
So let's go to the next story.
The story, I'm going to go through a bunch of different stories with everybody.
Rob, if you want to pull up the Obama story, because Obama has become an election denier.
And, you know, you don't say.
I mean, I didn't think he was going to be the guy that's going to be an election denier.
Is this the entire video, Rob?
Yes, sir.
Obama is suddenly very concerned about what the party in power can do to rig elections and weaponize the government against perceived political enemies.
What curious timing.
The Washington Examiner reports Obama scorns doom loop of political extremism after Democrats' election defeat.
Former Barack Obama criticized the political doom and loop created by politicians who portrayed their opponents as enemies to be vanquished, just weeks after he warned voters about now president-elect Donald Trump, while campaigning, weeks while campaigning for vice president.
Common LAWS?
Go ahead and play this clip.
There are going to be times potentially, when one side tries to stack the deck and lock in a permanent grip on power, either by actively suppressing votes or politicizing the armed forces, insecure the criminal justice system, go after opponents.
Look at the eyes.
He doesn't believe it.
I never saw him in those circumstances.
Pluralism does not call for us to just stand back and say well, i'm not sure, that's okay, it's weak in those circumstances.
A line has been crossed.
And we have to stand firm.
Firm.
Yeah.
By the way, he does not look strong.
He looks like defeated and weak.
That guy.
And by the way, he's unoriginal, Tom.
And you talked about this before.
He stole the tech.
He took a page right out of the out of the Nazi minister propaganda, Joseph Goebbels book, Accuse the Other Side of Which You Are Guilty.
And we talked about it on the other podcast.
They need to check.
I want to know your thought on this.
These are the expired Democrats.
This whole rhetoric that this guy's been doing when he was talking to the young black voters, he's like, you got Kamala's black.
You guys have to vote for Kamala.
It's like the shock of why they're losing everybody.
It's not just left.
Everybody's moving away from these people, Cheng.
If we're going to be honest, this has become the party of hypocrites.
Okay.
They're the actual racists.
They're the corrupt ones.
They're the ones that cheat elections.
All right.
They want young children to chop off their genitalia.
These are facts.
They want to have them mutilate themselves.
They want men and women's sports.
Facts.
This is only a left party.
Men and women's sports.
Men and women's sports.
They want open borders.
They want to use lawfare.
Look at what he's talking about, Cheng.
They're the party that literally weaponized the Department of Justice, the FBI, to go after Donald Trump.
The guy even got shot in his head.
This type of attitude, this is done.
And I just want to know, Cheng, are they not going to move on from these people?
This is.
Let me say something before we go to Jenk.
Okay.
I'm going to say something.
I'm going to go to Tom and Adam and then I'm going to go to Jenkins.
Let me explain to you what you're just saying right now, which is very important.
Okay.
So watch this.
Watch this.
He may have just had the worst loss of his career.
Correct.
I agree.
I agree 100%.
Okay.
Because 2016, Hillary had the worst loss of her career.
He did not.
That was Hillary.
And that was embarrassing that you lost to this guy, okay?
To meaning to Trump.
Okay.
But this last one, Kamala wasn't campaigning.
He was campaigning.
Obama wasn't campaigning for Hillary.
Yes, he was, but not like this.
Obama was campaigning for Biden.
He helped him.
And they won, right?
This is the first time he has had a public loss of this level, of this magnitude.
He's never had a loss like this.
And here's the issue.
So Jenk comes and, hey, I think we have to stop thinking MAGA's the enemy.
What?
What is he talking about?
I think we need to stop thinking these are horrible people.
We got to stop taking that approach.
We can disagree on policies, but these are like, I'm around them.
This guy speaks as a way that you're not, you know, you lose a game and what do you do?
You come back and you say, what?
We have to go back and, hey, we messed up.
Back to the drawing board.
We have a terrible loss.
Back to the drawing board.
We have to make some changes.
It all starts with me.
There is nothing.
It all starts with me.
You're the head coach of the Democratic Party.
Where is the accountability for you?
Where is you getting up on the stage and saying it's with me?
If anything changes and you have this kind of a loss and you're saying, you know what he's trying to say?
He's trying to say in a way, because legally, yes, they're going to probably flip one more seat for Supreme Court.
That's what he's trying to say, but he's saying it in a way to make it seem like it's illegal.
It's not.
He's doing it in a legal way.
But you're just not happy about it because that could be a 20-year of Supreme Court and logic having some kind of control.
Tom, what are your thoughts on what I saw that?
You know, I thought to myself, you know, there's influencing and there's leading.
And I watched it and I actually had the thought.
I looked at it and I said, didn't this guy used to be Barack Obama?
Yeah.
But I'm saying Barack Obama in the spirit of who he was.
And you don't have to agree with him to understand that he was a gifted politician, that he stood like a statesman at times.
I don't have to agree with all of his policies to give credit to that person that served two terms as a president.
And I looked at it and I said, you have been trying to influence him.
Clooney said you stood behind the scenes.
You didn't lead.
You influenced on the coup, if you want to call it that, of Biden stepping out of the candidacy.
You influenced from behind the scenes till they finally said, you got to get out in the front yard and you got to yell.
And you finally got out and started campaigning.
But there's influencing and leading.
And he didn't lead all year.
He didn't stand up to lead.
And when I looked at it, I said, again, didn't this guy used to be Barack freaking Obama?
He don't look like that.
Yeah.
You know, you know, when you're no longer as attractive as a girl and you expect everybody to treat you like you were at 22 years old?
We agreed not to talk about the view.
But the grace, what stays, you hope the grace stays and you're attracted to the grace, right?
Like, you know what?
Man, she's still graceful.
You know, and you can maintain your looks, but maybe not at 22, you're 62, right?
Things have changed.
For him, you know what he's going through?
It's very, Vinny, it's very hard to go through this.
My voice doesn't carry the way it used to carry 20 years ago.
Oh, that is hard.
Yep.
My voice doesn't carry the way it used to carry 16 years ago, 12 years ago.
That's what he's going through.
And he's like, hey, guys, don't you remember you used to love me?
What happened?
Give me the attention and love you guys used to give me at, I was important.
I was your Jesus.
What happened?
How come you guys don't look at me like that anymore?
Oh, let me tell you.
It's a psychological, very hard face to go through, Adam.
I love the analogy you said because one of the things we say is for a woman, it's all fun and games until you're at the end of the bar, having to buy your own drinks in your 40s.
Because usually when you're young and hot, they're going to do all that.
So Obama, he was the young, hot, fresh candidate.
And if you just take the vibe and just the riz, as you say, and you juxtapose when he was like, at least I'll go down as a two-term president, boom, Mike dropped.
Just Obama showing up doing his thing.
And now in the last 30 days, he tried to lecture black men.
Black men are like, yeah, I'm good.
Thanks, Barack.
You know, he's getting, I've never seen, unless it's somebody I can't think of, I've never seen Barack Obama not be smooth.
Smooth.
Even before the election, there was a pause, stuttering, not confidence.
Pat's always saying, it's in the eyes, Chico, it's in the eyes.
The eyes look flustered.
All right, maybe he had an L right there.
But it's not just him because he's wearing the entire Democratic establishment on his back.
And he just realized, oh, this whole thing just crumbled.
So where does he even go from here?
Yeah.
So in a minute, I'll say some things that you guys might disagree with.
But first, I understand exactly what you guys are saying.
So look, one of the things that I said in that Elon tweet about the Pentagon was, I'd rather be in the populist woods than in an establishment prison.
And so these guys have been running the prison for a long time.
And I don't mean Obama as a Democrat.
I mean Obama, Biden, Pelosi, but also Mitch McConnell and Cheney and Bush, et cetera.
The uniparty.
The uniparty has, and if you went outside the guardrails and as happened to me at MSNBC, you're, you know, you've got issues, right?
You go outside the guardrails, you got issues.
And that right there was him going, I can't believe there's a prison break.
What happened?
We had you guys bottled up and you were supposed to listen to our marketing and we had mainstream media on lockdown.
And then the View and Morning Joe would tell you to shut up and vote for us and you would shut up and vote for us.
And when I say us, again, let's be clear because Joe Scarborough was telling you to vote for George Bush and Dick Cheney.
100%.
And then all of a sudden he's voting for the Democrats and Biden and Kamala Harris, right?
Because it's the Uniparty.
And so Scarborough is a Republican.
He's just an old school Republican.
And so there's what you guys, I see it even more clearly than you guys, that there is a meltdown in the Democratic establishment because their worldview got rocked.
They thought we're in charge.
We're going to get to run this thing forever.
And no one's allowed to really disagree with us.
And if they do, we'll cancel them.
We'll, you know, your character is.
They almost did, though.
But they almost did.
They almost did if you think about it.
But by the way, Peter Thiel said this on Barry Taibbi's interview.
I don't know if you saw that.
It's a phenomenal.
It's worth on the flyback drive back.
It's worth you watching this one because Peter Thiel, you know, he thinks differently.
He said.
Matt Taibi.
Oh, yeah.
I'm sorry.
Barry Weiss.
I apologize.
I message you.
I told a phenomenal job.
But Peter says, you guys got to realize, if the Egyptian Carroll, if the going after Trump, if all the court everyday hearing, if the mugshot, if any of this stuff worked and he would have lost to Kamala, Trump's record would have been 2016, you got lucky.
And we were right.
I cannot tell you how important 2024 was because Trump winning, the people are saying, no, we were right.
Trump was right.
Kamala winning, Obama would have spoken in a different way.
100%.
You know how he would have spoken his demeanor?
Very different.
We told you.
Yeah.
We told you.
So another way to frame populism establishment is outsiders versus insiders.
And so even if you're a Democrat and you love Obama, you can't say that he's not an insider.
He's an insider, right?
And so this was the outsiders going, we've had enough.
We've had enough.
You guys run this, ran this place for decade after decade and we can't stand it anymore.
And you got, and I agree with one other small thing.
And people on the left were mad at him when he started yelling at black men.
And you guys mentioned that.
Like, oh, how dare you and stuff.
And even the left was like, whoa, slow your roll.
Okay.
So that's not your job here to come and yell at the voters, et cetera.
But the parts I disagree with you guys on is because the reason why some folks are super worried on the left is because of the things that people on the right and the Trump team have said.
Like, first of all, why was I against Trump?
We've gone through this.
We don't have to re-litigate it because he won this time.
But he did, in my opinion, he tried to steal the last election.
He had fake elector plot.
He said, terminate the Constitution, et cetera.
So when you see those things, and if you believe those things that he really did those things as I do, you're concerned.
You're concerned about democracy.
You're concerned, is this guy going to leave office?
You're concerned, is this going to happen?
Number two, gerrymandering.
The Democrats do it too, but the Republicans are kings at it.
So when you gerrymander the hell out of a state and all of a sudden, even though the state might be 50-50, but the Republicans have a huge lead in the state on congressional districts, that's true.
That's real.
And then the last thing is, look, you guys keep threatening to, and I don't mean you guys, and I don't mean all of the right wing, but I do definitely mean some of the right wing, right?
Keep threatening to arrest Dr. Fauci, arrest Liz Cheney, arrest this person, arrest that.
Now, I think a preemptive partner on Liz Cheney is nuts.
Like, she's not even charged with a crime.
What are we even talking about, right?
On the other hand, it's the idea that these people might get arrested is not crazy because people like Kash Patel have said, I got an enemies list.
And if I'm the head of the Justice Department or I'm the head of the FBI, I'm going to arrest them.
So how could you say that that's crazy when that's what they threatened?
But hold on, Cheng, you don't think that Dr. Fauci, well, Mr. Fauci, of all these people, deserve, especially with the House Select Committee coronavirus pandemic thing that just came out, the shit that this guy did and what they did and what they knew, of course these people belong in prison.
And I get your, I get your angle on the Trump and you didn't like him, but steal the election, Cheng, 2020, they cheated.
The FBI was at Twitter.
Hold on.
Okay, so Check, is the FBI at Twitter suppressing stories on social media, not election interference, cheating?
Be honest with me.
The FBI directed by the left.
How is that not cheating?
Okay, brother.
That's cheating.
Come on.
You're lying to the people.
No, let me explain, Vinny.
So in 2016 and 2020, it depends on what you mean by cheating and rigged, right?
In the Democratic primary, did they, and in 2024, did they rig it and cheated in a colloquial way?
Yeah.
Well, colloquial.
It's still the word cheating.
Hold on.
Hold on.
Let me explain the difference.
So they rigged the debates to have as little debates as possible in 2016.
They had the DNC funnel money to Hillary Clinton through the states.
So there's a ton of things that they did that rigged it in favor of Hillary Clinton.
But that's not, that's, you could call it rigging, you can call it cheating, but it's not cheating in terms of fixing the votes, changing the votes.
They never changed the votes against Bernie.
Bernie did actually lose, even though like all, but the reason they lost, in my opinion, is mainstream media is rigged against them.
DNC is rigged against them, but they never changed the votes.
So you keep saying like, oh, the media is against me, brother.
I mean, I'm a left-wing populist.
The media has been against me from 24-7, right?
From day one.
I don't get to say, hey, the New York Times character assassinated me when I ran for Congress in 2020.
I'd like them arrested.
I get to say they character assassinated me.
They're full of crap.
And I'm going to show you how full of crap they are.
And I get to fight back and I get to have my voice, but I don't get to put them in jail.
Okay, but Dr. Fauci lying about gain of function in front of Congress, Cheng, lying about what they were doing in a lab that we owned and then shut down the world, killed all these people.
Have you read the book, The Real Dr. Fauci?
That book is this.
Check, if you haven't, read that book to know exactly who this guy is.
That's step one.
Number two, and Pat, I think we're going to get into the stories of what the select committee talked about.
But Chang, if you knew that they were doing gain of function and this thing leaked and you were responsible for it and you lied in front of Congress, you lied.
It's a fact.
He lied and people are dead.
I have friends, Cheng, that are vaccine injured, not that long COVID bullshit.
Vaccine injured.
One of them is in this building.
She's affected by it.
That guy doesn't belong to go to.
He belongs in jail.
100%.
So hold on, Cheng, none of them deserve prison.
Nobody that has F'd up this guy.
They've been cheating since 2015.
There has to be accountability, Cheng.
We deserve that.
No, it's a couple of things here.
Look, when they said it's not the Wuhan lab, they still haven't said it definitively.
They're still like, possibly bullshit.
We know it came from China.
Why do we have to keep tippy toeing about it?
So look, I'm on tape on all these things at the time, not later.
I said, look, brothers, you're telling me a giant virus broke up, broke out right next to the Wuhan virus lab.
Yeah.
Right.
One of the biggest virus labs in the world.
And you expect me to believe it broke out right next door to it, but because of a bad and a different kind of animal, et cetera.
I'm like, less likely, more likely it broke out of the lab.
So when Rand Paul was first questioning Fauci, I was a little skeptical.
And then at some point, I was like, wait, that's an interesting point.
Okay.
So I hear you on all that, but we cannot arrest people for things we don't like or we don't agree with.
So if you're saying, hey, here's a specific crime, okay, I'm willing to listen to any specific crime.
Are you kidding me?
On a corruption, there's tons of crimes that we could have both sides on both sides.
I get it.
But it's got to be a crime.
We cannot go around arresting people because we don't agree with them politically.
That's super dangerous.
So do you think him, and this is talking in Washington, which I think is going to happen, him talking about pardoning.
So here's the thing.
Why would you want to pardon Adam Schiff, Dr. Fauci, and Liz Cheney of all people, unless they, it's not Trump's coming after them because this whole Trump, the boogeyman coming after Cheng is bullshit because it's the left.
He said arrest.
No, I, me personally, from the shit that he's done, especially with 1,000%, because people have died because he lied.
Plain and simple.
But he thought that that's freaking people out.
Like you guys were freaked out that Trump was arrested.
That's freaking out the Democrats.
And when you guys start talking about arresting, Check, we did good.
Let them be freaked out.
To hell with all of them.
Because Cheng, we want accountability.
The guy won.
I love everybody was shocked.
You don't like Trump because of the personality, Check.
You say, you know, he's a command.
He's a cook.
He lies.
America spoke.
We don't give a shit about that, Chang.
It's the policy.
He's been the policy guy from day one.
But accountability, I love that the left is panicking.
They're all screwing like freaking rats.
We deserve accountability.
And if that guy's guilty, we want prison.
One person has to go to jail, Chang.
We need one of them.
But, Vinny, that's why Obama gave that speech because he's worried that you're going to say, okay, hey, I don't have a crime yet, but I want these guys.
I didn't say that.
Look, there's no crime with Fauci.
He lied in front of Congress about a virus gain of function.
They mess with animals in a jump.
Let me say something here, and then I want to go to the committee as well as I want to go to the partins that they're talking about doing.
You know, when you think about why, to me, when I rank the events that helped Trump win in a landslide victory, and landslide, you know, the majority is, you're right.
The Republicans rarely win the majority, but he won.
And that's a big victory for them to get that.
It's the seven states, is really what it is for me, and the plus-minus of all states.
That's kind of how I look at it when I think about it.
I think Musk is number one, but I think that day when Bobby walked out at the turning point USA event and he got up and he said, I'm here now.
And I asked myself, Why are so many people fans of Robert Kennedy Jr.?
Why is it?
Actually, think of it.
He was an environmental lawyer.
Give me one thing about the environmental lawyer he did that you still remember to talk about.
Most people don't know that.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, imagine.
Yeah, I do because I knew Bobby Hurt.
But what I'm saying is, you do, bitch.
It's your work.
The average guy doesn't know.
It's like, what are you talking about, right?
But if you ask the average guy right now, hey, what's the one thing about Bobby and why you support him?
They're going to bring up that Fauci book.
By the way, that Anthony Fauci book he wrote in November of 2021-ish got 26,000 reviews, and he got those 26,000 reviews very quickly.
Fauci stopped the world.
Fauci hurt a lot of people.
Fauci manipulate and used his power in ways that was disgusting and it was unattractive.
And by the way, my concern isn't like, look, do I want to see Fauci go back to jail?
No.
What they did to Nixon, not go back to jail.
I don't know if he's been to jail.
Go to jail.
Nixon, Watergate.
Was that good for America?
Yeah, because it got a crook out of office.
Okay.
I believe that's exactly how people feel about Fauci.
They believe he's a crook and he needs to be held accountable.
And history needs to write that he's a crook.
Look at the way you responded about Nixon.
That movie needs to be made the same way Anthony Hopkins played Nixon.
Somebody needs to play Fauci and show the dark side of this man what he did to America.
Okay, good.
Not jail.
To me, pure account.
That's all I care.
I don't care whether you go to jail or not.
He's an 82, 83 year old man.
Go do your thing and get away and write a book and, you know, give the argument how sexy you are to Guardian newspaper and whatever you want to do.
Go out and do it.
For me, it's purely what they did to Nixon.
And what Nixon did is one-tenth of what this guy did with this, in my opinion.
I think there needs to be a level of accountability for that.
But I'm going to read this and we'll still continue with the discussion here.
So, House, COVID-19 panel releases final report criticizing public health response to the pandemic.
The House Select Subcommittee of the Coronavirus, chaired by Ohio Republican Brad Wenstrup, released a 520-page final report concluding the virus most likely emerged from a laboratory in Wuhan, China.
Rob, if you want to go ahead and play this clip, is the clip you have with Rogan or is it a.
It is.
Rogan's discussing the findings of the House Select Committee.
Oh, okay.
Go ahead and play the clip.
The House released a 500-page report on COVID-19 pandemic.
Key findings.
COVID-19 likely originated from a lab-related incident in Wuhan, China.
Crazy.
You get banned from YouTube for saying that.
Banned.
Okay.
Over $200 billion in relief funds lost to fraud with criminals exploiting weak oversight.
Prolonged lockdowns and arbitrary mandates caused severe harm, economic devastation, mental health crises, and historic learning loss while lacking robust scientific support.
Policies ignored natural immunity, pushing mandates that eroded trust and harmed public perception of science.
Absolutely.
WHO and CDC compromised by political interference, offering inconsistent, unscientific guidance that fueled public distrust.
And the key players included federal agencies and Cuomo's administration actively obstructed oversight efforts and hid critical evidence.
Christ.
Select Subcommittee on Coronavirus Pandemic basically said all the conspiracy theorists were correct.
Every single one of them.
No repercussions.
Wow.
No retractions.
And did you hear that?
And Treg, did you guys hear that?
He said even federal agencies and Cuomo's administration actively obstructed oversight efforts and hid critical evidence.
That's from just the ground level.
Fauci is the head.
He's been around for how many presidencies?
How many presidents?
And Treg, I'm telling you, brother to brother, you have to read this book because only then you'll get the context of who this freaking demon is.
And I'm not one of these people.
So Chang, for the left to say, oh, you guys want him to arrest.
And what has the left been doing?
Think of all the shit they've done to him with weaponizing the FBI, Obama spying on his freaking campaign, Russian collusion, all the law affair, the two fake impeachments, shooting him in his freaking head.
And the other side is talking shit like, oh, he's going to come after us.
That story is over.
Nobody wants to hear it.
This is accountability, bro.
This freaking rat was this snake.
It almost reminds you of problem, reaction, solution.
Okay.
The problem, you get the problem.
You get the freaking virus that comes out of a lab that we own.
The reaction, the media, everybody comes.
And then the solution is vaccines.
And then you demonize people.
I'm happy that you played this back.
They made Joe Rogan look green.
CNN made him look green because they don't want ivermectin, which, Tom, isn't that like the cheapest, most safest thing?
Did they ban it?
Yeah, ivermectin was a proven antiviral.
You had foreign aid workers, UNICEF workers used to be giving it when they would go to like areas where a typhoon hits Bangladesh and there's all this mosquito and all this other stuff going on there.
And they would give them cholera shots and were giving them ivermectin to prevent the malaria.
That drug had been, had a purpose and a use for years.
So look, I disagree with you guys on the vaccine.
I disagree with Joe Rogan on the vaccine.
Why?
Hold on, hold on.
Why?
I want to hear it.
Hold on, hold on.
Hold on.
But what I disagree with more is shutting the conversation down.
So that was the number one problem in what Joe was just talking about.
Because it turned out that it likely is from the Wuhan lab, but we were shutting that conversation down.
Gain of function is an important and interesting conversation, but we were shutting that down.
Why?
When you say we to Cheng, why and who was doing it, Cheng?
Why?
Why were they in lockstep shutting it down on purpose, Cheng?
Why?
Why do you think?
Why?
They were ignorant?
No, yeah.
Oh, come on.
Now, hold on, hold on.
No.
Look, look, the establishment has certain groupthink.
All the bubbles have groupthink, right?
In the establishment groupthink, they genuinely believe we, like our position is the objective position.
Now, you think that's nuts.
Like, oh, you privilege your own position, and I think it's a totally corporate position, an insider position.
And they say we're objective, but they genuinely believe it.
And in their mind, they're like, all of these lies are getting out and people are dying.
They got to take the vaccine.
You're going to die if they don't take the vaccine.
So that's why they have this in their minds a legitimate concern about it.
And in fact, I think it is a legitimate concern if you were spreading massive misinformation, etc., etc.
But my answer to that concern isn't let's no one's allowed to have a conversation, and this is the official position.
My thing is, you say that about the vaccine, I say this about the vaccine, and we fight and we fight.
And then people, you the problem with the establishment is they don't trust the American people to make their own decisions.
Okay.
So, so I think that's the core of the problem that Rogan's talking about there.
And he's right about that.
Even if we disagree on the vaccine or Fauci, et cetera, we've the left has got to stop trying to not and to be fair, again, it's not the left.
For example, Andrew Cuomo, the left was against Andrew Cuomo from day one.
We were against him on the COVID, we were against him on the corruption, non-stop help to his real estate donors, etc.
So, as much as I like his brother, Chris, right, I've had issues with Andrew Cuomo for 20 years.
And what did the establishment do?
They shut it down.
They shut it down.
And number one tool they have against outsiders is character assassination.
So that's why I understand you guys when you say, hey, Trump, you guys are doing a character assassination of him.
You went after him legally.
You went after his reputation, et cetera.
They did the same thing to Bernie.
They called his supporters brown shirts and Nazis when he's like the most prominent, successful Jewish candidate in American history, right?
And they did the same thing to me, smear jobs from the New York Times.
Oh, you're anti-Muslim.
Hey, motherfucker, I am a Muslim.
Okay.
So I hate the New York Times.
And so, like, I mean, what kind of a preposterous thing is that?
There is the t-shirt.
Okay.
So, look, you guys know I'm atheist now, but not mentioning that I have a Muslim background and pretending that I'm anti-Muslim.
So I've been through all those wars, Vinny, but neither side should arrest people for their opinions, shut down things, cancel culture.
I mean, look, you want to talk about right-wing cancel culture.
You go ahead, criticize Israel on a college campus, see what happens.
You literally get arrested.
You literally get, I mean, Ron DeSantis here in Florida has a law that if you're a company and you don't believe and you are in favor of boycott divestment and sanctions of Israel, they say, Oh, we're going to take away your livelihood.
We're going to cancel your government contract because you dared to disagree with Israel.
Well, fuck that.
I mean, is this America or isn't it?
So, if you're going to be outsiders, let's be outsiders, let's rumble, right?
And then, I, you know, again, there are things we agree on and we should focus on those and we should try to get those page there.
Yeah, so you know, I'm all for debate, give your argument.
We're on the Florida thing where there's a but for but can I just say one last thing about that, though?
But look, when you guys get this upset about Fauci, right, and all the things that you think he did wrong, understand that that's exactly what the left thinks about Trump.
But this is but we have proof.
No, I know.
I have proof.
No, we have proof, Vinny.
I'm not talking about the facts, and we could debate the facts on Trump, we could debate the facts on Fauci.
I just want you to understand what they feel.
And what I'm trying to explain to the left is what you guys feel.
And you're getting mad at me saying, No, no, no, no, they're the enemy.
They're the enemy.
Don't try to understand what they feel.
Don't try to understand their perspective.
I'm trying to get the country to talk to one another, the right-wing and left-wing.
So, as angry as you are about Fauci, that's how angry people are about Trump on the left.
So, now you understand why they act the way that they do.
And for those, my friends on the left, as angry as you were about Trump, understand that's how Vinny feels about Fauci.
With facts and results because of him lying in front of Congress.
77 million people.
Just remember that.
77 million people, every state turning more red.
They want to know what the hell Fauci did.
We have four kids under the age of 12 and under, right?
I can't, if I didn't have, these kids didn't have the luxuries that their dad had, where I brought them to the office every day.
I was their teacher.
I homeschooled my kids for the whatever few months you were there.
Were you there?
You were there.
I was shooting hoops.
Every day they had PE at the office.
They had classes they were taking.
They had homework they had to do.
It actually, for us, it was a great opportunity because we got very close during that time.
But for the average person, COVID destroyed a lot of relationships, businesses, jobs, memories of third-generation restaurants that was shut down because of this guy named Fauci.
There needs to be accountability for that because when the future pandemic happens, where Peter Hotez, Rob, if you can just pull up that clip, Peter Hotez, who is one of the sexiest men in America, according to the left, when you compare it.
It's good news for me.
Maybe I'm sorry.
No, no, this guy's like, listen, I mean, he is, he did not want to debate Bobby.
R.F. Kennedy, we ended up raising $3.5 million for him to agree to go on Joe Rogan's podcast with Bobby.
And he says, no, he didn't want to do it.
He says it's not healthy for America for us to do it because we have nothing to debate.
We were right.
Here's Peter Hotez, aka Nostradamus, making a prediction.
Go ahead, Robin.
Here's the reason why we need to care about this stuff, Nicole, is that we have some big picture stuff coming down the pike starting on January 21st.
Mr. Bloomberg mentioned H5N1, that I'm really worried about.
It's all over wild birds on the western part of the United States and going up in the north.
It's getting into the poultry.
We're seeing sporadic human cases, no human-to-human transmission yet, but that could happen.
It's in the cattle, it's in the milk.
And that's just the beginning.
We have another major coronavirus, likely brewing.
Python Asia, we've had SARS in 2002, SARS II, COVID-19 in 2019.
And we know these viruses are jumping from bats to people thousands of times a year.
But there's still more.
We know that we have a big problem with mosquito-transmitted viruses all along the Gulf Coast, where I am here in Texas.
So we're expecting dengue and possibly Zika virus coming back or a poce virus, maybe even yellow fever.
And there's more.
Then we have all this sharp rise in vaccine preventable.
You can pause it by now, by the way.
By the way, can you play the clip I just sent you, Rob?
This is the one when he was on Rogan.
Okay.
And Rogan asks him a basic question.
And the question is: you know, do you think vitamins are needed while you eat junk food?
And he's asking him, like, do you exercise?
Do you eat right?
Do you do this?
Yeah, I probably shouldn't be eating junk food.
Like, what's better, taking a vaccine or eating good food?
Now, this is four minutes and 20 seconds.
While we're doing commentary, maybe Rob, you can listen to what section that is, and it will play the 30, 40 second clip.
But Peter Hortes, when you see that, what do you think about it?
Tom, I'll come to you first.
What I think about Peter, it's, you know, this guy's a learned scientist.
I mean, I give him credit for that.
But I sit back and I feel like here it is: fear porn, nonspecific fear porn running down a list of things that each on their own right have an element of truth.
Have mosquitoes transmitted viruses on the Gulf Coast?
Yes.
You know, you could go down this list.
Is H1 and is that H1N1?
I think I just said that wrong.
The bird virus.
Is that going between ducks and poultry, wild ducks and poultry?
Well, apparently it is in cases.
But it's just, he's running down a list of things that are a little truth under the umbrella of, and worse.
And by the way, all those things he's described have medical-based propagations that you can mathematically see it go through populations of animals.
It doesn't wait for Valentine's Day and say, okay, here come the hearts.
He's out there with this fear porn.
Rob, can you play this clip?
Somehow on the 21st, it's suddenly going to jump out.
Go ahead, play this clip.
Do you take care of your immune system in other ways?
Do you take probiotics?
Are you cautious about your diet?
I'm not as cautious about my diet as I should be.
I'm a junk foodaholic, actually.
Well, that seems like a good thing I'm happy for your health.
It is a terrible thing for my health and something my wife is working on.
But that seems ridiculous for someone who works with health.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Sometimes.
Sometimes, man, I just don't get it.
Look at a joke.
But how often?
How often do I steal a bag of chips or something like that?
Garbage.
I don't know.
No, hopefully not every day, but hopefully not every day.
How many times a week?
Often do cardiac.
That's what I'm talking about.
Often you get out of home.
I'm not sure if I'm doing it with autism.
That's like our thing is to go to the, it's called the burger joint or to Shake Shack to get a to get a cheeseburger.
We'll stick sneaks and fries.
So you live and large, we call it.
You like that mouth pleasure so much.
You're willing to sacrifice a little bit of health.
I have to concede that's the case.
Well, there's, I mean, I don't have to tell you, but there's a large body of data that connects poor diet to a host of diseases.
That seems like a crazy drinking water for a guy in your line of work.
There you go.
Sometimes the sometimes it's not all brain.
It's something else.
I mean, this is uncomfortable to watch.
I just got my 12th booster.
Because think about it.
Think about it.
Think about what this is.
The scenes are better than a proper diet is what he says.
That's exactly what he's saying.
But think about the warning.
This is a warning.
Okay.
They're letting you know, just like they did with the pen with COVID, where they had all this.
They were setting us up for it.
This guy is a pandemic freaking planner.
Like how the fact that he's saying the day after Trump cuts in, there's a list, like a to-do list of viruses that are pretty much, he's giving us a heads up of what's going to be coming down.
Am I missing something?
Are you saying that you don't trust anything he says?
Did you see that his smile?
If you just didn't know anybody, you didn't know him, would you trust that guy with your health?
Him or what he's predicting or prediction?
What do you think him saying on the 21st when Trump comes in?
Let me give you my explanation.
I don't agree or disagree with that guy.
I'm hearing what he's saying and saying, all right, this guy's a, what is it, a biologist, scientist, kind of probably knows a thing or two.
But as Jenk was saying, let's have him debate somebody.
He'll never have a conversation.
He won't.
But if he doesn't debate, how can we be assured?
He's a fear porn.
So the media is going to give him a soapbox.
I don't know if he's peddling it.
I think he actually believes it.
And the media.
Okay.
Well, then he's peddling something that he has believes, but he's wrong.
I think the first time we heard about this guy was about six months ago.
Yes.
No, Peter Hotez?
Hell no.
He's been around.
I've been rocking with Hotez for 10 years.
He's been around.
I never heard about this guy.
I have.
But I remember the height of his popularity came when RFK, during his running for election, was like, all right, well, let's have a conversation.
And RFK was bumping out push-ups.
What was he doing?
Lifting weights?
Yeah.
And just jacked.
Are you kidding me, RFK?
And he's like, how about you?
And just in a geeky ass lab coat.
But the two guys, they need to debate, have that conversation.
One of the things that I have the most trouble with is anyone who says they knew exactly what was going on when this COVID thing started, no, you don't.
You have no clue.
Nobody did.
Whether it was Trump, whether it was Biden, whether it was Fauci.
I remember in Dallas, I remember in Boca when we first started the podcast three, four years ago.
If we even tried to have a conversation amongst ourselves, or even with guys like Dr. Robert Malone, Dr. Peter McCulloch, we would, what happened?
PBD, what would happen to the channel?
We get a strike, we get something.
And people were very adamant about having this conversation.
And me, I'm like, guys, I don't think it's just worth.
talking about.
Is it worth losing the channel over?
And some people with their conviction, not PBD, were like, yes, we need to have this conversation.
I said, nothing's bigger than our channel.
Imagine if TYT got taken down.
But I think the reality is these conversations need to happen.
We need to have these debates.
I don't know if this guy's right or wrong, but I want someone who's smarter than any of us to challenge him, just like Rand Paul challenged Fauci.
That's what needs to happen.
Yeah.
So look, I agree with Tom.
He's a good scientist, et cetera.
But they're kind of using him as an Alan Lickman here, right?
So the mainstream media will pick different so-called experts to push out the point that they want to push out, right?
So in this case, they want to scare the living crap out of you about January 21st.
So as good a scientist as he might be, don't tell me that yellow fever might start on January 21st.
That's nuts, right?
That reminds me of Alan Lickman's keys.
And oh, I know, I know.
I'm the expert.
I'm the expert, right?
So now I got a super interesting story for you guys.
About a decade ago, Bobby comes to me because we knew each other from like liberal circles back in the day and says, hey, I want to do this debate, right?
Just like you wanted to do the debate like this year, right?
But he's been wanting to do it forever.
Now, I don't agree with Bobby on vaccines.
And I don't know how he knows better than 99% of the doctors and the scientists.
But I said, okay, I love debates.
So I tried to organize a debate a decade ago with Bobby and these guys.
And I couldn't get a single scientist, professor, or anyone to debate.
This was when?
This was about 2015, actually, nine years ago.
And why?
Why?
Because this is what I'm trying to get the Democrats and the left to stop thinking in this way because they think even the debate misleads people because it leads them to think maybe it's 50-50 or 60-40, right?
And it's platforming, et cetera.
And that's why they were like, oh, Kamala Harris shouldn't go on Joe Rogan.
That'll platform Joe Rogan.
No, you knuckleheads.
He's trying to platform you.
And they think because they got this mindset of we're permanently in charge, right?
And it's our rules.
It's our playhouse.
And this is the thing.
So since they never had to let Jenk Uger on or Anna Kasparian on or Vinny on or Pat on to CNN and MSNBC, they think, well, we'll just shut him out.
But again, guys, they genuinely believe it.
They think this is super dangerous if we let it get out.
So we've got to make sure they shut up.
But that is not what America is about.
America is about freedom.
It's about all of us talking together.
And it's about some of us being wrong from time to time, right?
And so that's why this attitude is wrong.
Here, I got a proposal, right?
I like proposals.
Why don't, now the election's over, Bobby is likely going to be the head of health and human services.
Now you got to debate him, right?
Now they probably want to debate him.
So why don't you and I, Pat, moderate a debate, okay?
And I bet you they take it now.
I don't know if Bobby will take it now because now he's going to be in charge potentially, right?
But now that he's in this situation, whether it's before his confirmation, after his confirmation, but hey, before the confirmation would be amazing, right?
You think Peter Holtz would sit down with you two and RFK?
I don't care if it's him or, but give me your best signs.
Someone that I agree with, right?
Someone that believes in vaccines, someone that believes that the Florida in the water is fine.
Whatever it is, but especially vaccines.
Listen, I would personally give $5 million to a charity to sit down with a three-hour podcast of Fauci and RFK, and he would never do it.
Never.
$5 million to any vaccine-injured people.
Matter of fact, Fauci gets to choose the charity, okay?
$2.5 million Fauci's charity, $2.5 million Bobby's charity, $5 million, three-hour sit-down to actually debate, and he can't plead the fifth.
If you plead the fifth, the money goes to the other charity of RF candidate.
You have to actually talk.
If you want to do that, we'll have that three hours.
Because to me, like the person that we would like to see is that.
That's the debate.
In regards to Bobby, the one thing about Bobby that you have a relationship with him.
You've known him a lot longer than I have.
This guy's as true believer as possible.
11 o'clock, I've told the story, 11 o'clock at night.
I'm in Texas.
We're trying to, they're asking us to get these new vaccines for the kids.
I'm like, wait a minute.
Now we're going to use religious exemptions.
Our kids are going to Christian school.
They said you can't do that in Texas.
I'm like, what are you talking about?
You can't use a religious exemption in Texas.
I said, we're in Texas.
So I text Bobby at 11 o'clock.
Hey, do you know anything about this?
Boom.
Calls me.
Jen and I are on the phone at 11 o'clock at night for an hour.
He's three-waying other people in Texas, and he's finding out that guess what?
You can't.
They have to get the vaccine.
We came to Florida.
You know what we've done in Florida with our three-year-old daughter?
Now she's three at the time she was a newborn.
Went to the doctor.
No, we're not doing this, We're just going to do one.
Religious exemption?
No problem.
Go for it, right?
Bobby was on the phone for an hour.
Bobby will take any fight at any time.
That guy's looking for it because he's a true believer.
There's something very unique about a true believer.
But this guy's an establishment guy with all the fancy degrees and all the other stuff that he's done.
More power to him.
But he's not.
He's afraid.
He's protected by the establishment.
Let me go to the next one here, Rob.
Rob, can we pull up the video about all the different pardons Biden may be giving you?
So Biden White House is discussing preemptive pardons for those in Trump's crosshairs, okay?
And there's quite a few of them here.
I don't know, Rob, if he's explaining in the video or not.
Biden's aides, led by White House counsel Ed Seekle Siskel are debating preemptive pardons for public affair officials could face retaliation, including Adam Schiffler's Cheney.
Fauci Schiff rejected the idea saying, I would urge the president not to do that.
I think it would seem defensive and unnecessary.
The time for cautious restraints is over.
We must act with urgency to push back against these treats and prevent Trump from abusing its power, et cetera, et cetera.
Rob, if you want to play this clip, go for it.
Yeah, so this is just so you know, this is from 2020.
This is Joy Reed with Adam Schiff, where they talk about preemptive pardons when it comes to Donald Trump possibly pardoning his children and why that was a huge problem.
Weird.
Barack Obama never had to think about whether he needed to pardon Sasha and Balia.
And yet, Donald Trump is reportedly discussing pardons for his kids.
The presidential pardon was originally meant to grant the president the power to temper justice with mercy.
It was not enshrined in our Constitution so that a dishonorable man could reward his criminal allies, friends, and family for their corrupt practices.
Trump is considering preemptive pardons for his adult children.
Late last night, we learned that Trump has discussed preemptive pardons for his three eldest progeny.
The news was first reported by the New York Times.
And joining me now is Congressman Adam Schipp of California, chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.
Have you ever heard of somebody getting a preemptive pardon who is innocent of all crime, who's just an innocent person?
Have you ever heard of that?
Just somebody getting a blanket pardon and they're an innocent person.
But no, it's the president's own family.
It's people that have been covering up for the president in addition to his own.
This is hilarious.
And so there is a self-interest at play as well.
It's been essentially a dead of thieves environment.
And so I think the president views this as his way of trying to protect those that have protected him.
Kevin Spacey, right there.
What's the other clip you got, Rob?
The other is just an NBC analyst explaining why Biden should issue preemptive pardons.
Let's see what this person says.
I'm curious.
Grant of clemency.
I hope that President Biden will also issue preemptive pardons to all of those people threatened by the unjustice of what will become the Department of Justice in the Trump administration.
That, of course, includes Jack Smith and all of his staff, many Department of Justice lawyers.
It includes President Biden himself.
Although we don't know that anyone can legally pardon themselves, he will need a pardon because he is going to be harassed and charged for no crimes whatsoever.
Donald Trump has promised that.
Anthony pick up on.
By the way, what's his name?
Yesterday, I'm watching Rand Paul, and Rand Paul says Fauci is probably going to get a pardon.
He's sane.
And you know, Rand Paul and Doswe have been going back and forth.
He's probably going to get a pardon.
Then he said Biden could potentially pardon his own brother and give the same kind of a pardon.
And the trickiest one that was said is that he may even pardon himself because of what could happen.
Now, has there ever been a president that pardoned themselves?
Not as far as I know.
So look, I used to be friends with Joy Reed when I was an anchor on MSNBC.
And so we had a huge falling out afterwards.
And the reason is, what is that?
I mean, look at the propaganda.
So I'm principled.
I don't think that Trump should have pardoned Steve Bannon, Roger Stone, Charles Kushner.
Charles Kushner's family had nothing to do with the administration at the time.
But I also don't think Hunter Biden should be pardoned.
I don't think Adam Schiff and all these people need to be pardoned.
So what do we, first of all, there is no such, this is an invention, preemptive pardon.
What the F is that, right?
That's not a thing, right?
So you got to be charged with a crime.
You actually have to be convicted of a crime before you get a pardon.
But Trump screwed that up because the minute any of his allies were in trouble, I pardon, I pardon.
So Trump definitely did it.
But you can't, if you're Joy Reed or your MSNBC or you're these people, you can't say, I can't believe Trump was singing and pardoning his family members or pardon.
Oh, but of course Biden should pardon his family members and all of his allies, et cetera.
So the idea of staying principled is just an anathema to them.
They hate it.
And so look, I have a suggestion.
Let's see if we can agree to this one.
I have one pardon suggestion for Trump, but Biden could beat him to the punch and get all the glory.
Pardon Edward Snowden.
Okay.
Edward Snowden revealed the deep state wiretapping us, listening to average Americans, right?
He's an American hero.
The left-wing populists have always thought Edward Snowden was a hero.
And so can we get an agreement here that a pardon of Edward Snowden makes us?
I agree 100% that he needs to get pardoned.
I do.
Yeah.
What about you, Tom?
100%.
And Silk Road.
Okay.
So look, if we all agree that Edward Snowden should be pardoned, let's go.
Pardon actual heroes.
Pardon people who actually need a pardon.
Pardon people who looked out for the American people rather than themselves.
I agree.
So let's go.
And by the way, if we all unite on these things, what do I mean by unite?
Is that if we all push it together, and like today, if it goes viral that Edward Snowden should get the pardon, the good news about Trump, and this is, I always give credit where credit is due, is he actually listens to people.
Like he cares about his base.
And this is what drives me crazy about the Democratic Party.
They don't care about their base at all.
They kind of don't like their base, right?
But when I put out the tweet about Elon Musk and cutting the Pentagon, why did Elon and Donald Trump Jr. respond?
Is it because of me?
Maybe partially, but mainly it was because look at all those right-wingers in the comments section going, yeah, caught the Pentagon.
Yes, conflict of interest rules for generals.
And I bet I can get agreement on that here too, right?
But I am curious.
Do you guys want to cut the Pentagon?
Of course.
Cut the Pentagon.
So, okay, so let's go through a couple different numbers because we actually just did this the other day.
The annual budget of how much the U.S. government spent last year was what, Rob?
$4.7 trillion.
I think the number is $4.7 trillion.
Okay.
Of the $4.7 trillion, what is it?
$6.1?
I know, but I took the $1.4 out.
Right.
They're about $4.5 trillion in revenue is what it gets.
We spent $6.1 trillion.
So about $4.5, $4.7 is the money that comes in that we collect.
Income is about $5 trillion and our out to $200.
Expenses is over $6.
So we're well over a trillion.
Of the $4.7 trillion, you know where we spend the most money, Rob?
Can you type in where we spend most of the money?
What percentage goes to what?
Do you know what it is?
Yeah, I do.
What is it?
It's all Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid.
Those are the biggest.
You know what's three?
Yeah.
Military.
Okay, so now check this out.
You know what's tied with the military?
What's that?
Is the interest on our debt?
Right.
It's well over a trillion dollars.
It is.
So check this out.
I got a couple ideas if you go in there.
I have a couple ideas.
If you zoom in, Rob, I just want to show the categories because I think it's 27%, 21%, 18%.
Brandon, can you send it right now?
Rob, if you go to that and hit image.
So 21% Social Security, 18% national defense, 15% health, 13% Medicare.
And if you go on the charts for the audience to see, there's a few things that we need to do because this is the problem.
I don't think that's the one.
There's another one that's a better one.
That's an older one.
Anyways, this is my thoughts on this.
And actually, we put some time thinking about it.
Do you know what U.S., just 150 years ago, do you know where 100% of our revenue was coming from?
Tariffs.
100% was tariffs.
100%.
Yeah.
No income tax.
We lived.
Everything for us was off of tariffs.
Okay.
Everything for us was off of tariffs.
Okay.
Do you know the U.S. government what percentage of the U.S. income they were living off of?
Meaning the money that we make, the money that we make, that they tax, 2%.
Now it's 37%.
They rely on what we do and what we produce.
Okay.
Tariffs.
We get rid of tariffs.
We introduce taxes.
Every time taxes was introduced, you know what it was due for war, right?
Let's do this war.
No problem.
What's his name comes out?
Lincoln comes out civil war.
Hey, guys, we need to tax you up to 7%.
It's tears.
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7.
Great.
Once we pay off the debt for the war, we'll stop taxing you.
Guess what happened 10 years later?
Another war.
No, they paid off the war.
They stopped taxing.
So it's like, okay, we're done.
Next.
Okay, we're done.
Boom.
Next.
Do you know in 1894 what happened?
Rob, type in 1894, Supreme Court ruled, I think it's called something against farmers, Polak against Farmers.
Type in Polak against Farmers.
Do you know in 1894 what Supreme Court ruled unconstitutional?
Income taxes.
In 1894, Supreme Court ruled Polak versus Farmers that federal income tax was unconstitutional.
That's just 100 years ago.
Just 100 years ago.
Then what happens?
Then all of a sudden we have 1913.
Two things happened in 1913, right before World War I. What is it?
Federal Reserve and taxes get introduced.
What happens in 1914?
You got World War I starts.
Then what happens?
You know what happens next in the 30s?
You know when we introduce and we accept it?
The taking income from your paycheck.
Nobody did that.
It's the, what do you call it when you're taking income?
Payroll taxes.
And American people are like, yeah, let's agree to it.
Dead.
From that moment on, you were done.
You agreed for the government to take taxes before you make money.
That was like, this is what we fought for, right?
So then fast forward to today.
Do you know right now with the revenues that we get, what the exact dollar amount the U.S. government gets from tariffs?
No.
Do you know what the exact dollar amount we get from tariffs?
What do you think the dollar amount, income that comes into them from us, they're getting $4.7 trillion, give or take, right?
How much are we?
Of the $4.7 trillion that the U.S. gets, what percentage do you think is other countries paying tariffs?
Less than $600.
What do you think is the dollar amount?
Give me the dollar amount.
Of the $4.7 trillion, what do you think is the dollar amount that we collect?
$50 billion.
What do you think?
$50 billion out of $4.7 trillion?
That's very low.
That's like 99.9% is on my truck.
1.2 what?
Trillion?
What do you think it is, Tom?
No, I don't think it's in the trillions.
I'm guessing.
I think it's in the billions.
I'm going to stay closer to trillion and a half.
Trillion and a half.
You know what the number is?
$80 billion.
Look at this guy.
Did you get the under?
Look at this guy.
Tom.
Yes.
Tell me you're not shell shocked.
Please tell me you're not show shocked.
I'm completely shell shocked.
I watched the War Powers Act of the Revenue Act next year.
You may be asking yourself, I asked you, brother, I asked you a question about Pentagon.
What the hell does this have to do with Pentagon?
You know what it has to do with Pentagon?
Do you know right now we tax 2% tariffs?
Our average tariff is 2% on countries because it's $4 trillion that we get.
We tax 2%.
What's 2%?
$80 billion.
Do you realize if we raised across the board that $4 trillion that you're doing business with us across the board, we raise tariffs to 25% no matter what country it is, we now generate a trillion dollars.
Now, let me go to the other part.
Do you know how much military personnel we have in Japan?
Do you know how much military personnel we have in Japan?
Give or take.
How many soldiers do we have in Japan right now?
20,000, 52,000 people.
Give or take.
Why do we have 52,000 people in Japan?
We're protecting from who?
From possibly what?
China.
Okay.
So North Korea, China, we have military in South Korea.
Okay, but who's providing protection?
We are, right?
Okay.
Do you know who we owe the most money to?
Japan.
They have a trillion one bond on us.
In our bonds, yeah.
In our bonds, right?
Do you know if you calculate from 1945, give or take till today that we've had all those soldiers there, how much that investment has been to Japan?
Roughly $410 billion.
So say half a trillion dollars.
So what if we go and we negotiate with Japan and we say to Fano, listen, guys, we appreciate you guys.
You're amazing.
We're willing to continue to provide you protection from all the enemies around you.
However, that trillion and a half loan, the bond that you bought, we have to split it in half because since 1945, we've given you protection.
We got to cut this out.
This has got to be gone.
We're not doing this anymore moving forward.
So our debt from 1.1 officially became $600 billion.
Great.
Moving forward, all the other countries, minimum 25%.
Boom.
Our income now went from 80 billion to what?
A trillion dollars.
We did the math yesterday.
I'm sorry, not yesterday, three days ago, on what it would take for us to make income taxes zero in the U.S. You know what's actually possible?
Do you know it's actually possible to make income taxes zero?
It'll take 10 years to get there, but we can actually make income taxes zero.
Some adjustments.
big part of it was eliminating things like Pentagon, getting rid of many of these military, the stuff that we have 800 military bases worldwide.
What are we doing?
And we're paying for it.
No, you pay for it.
We're giving you protection.
If I right now, yesterday we gave away a few hundred Christmas trees out of property.
It was a sick experience.
I don't know if you were out there or not.
It was freaking awesome out there.
People were coming, taking cars.
They're like, what do I have to pay you?
Nothing.
Take a seven-foot Christmas tree on us from Carolina.
Take that stand, take these ornaments.
God bless.
Merry Christmas.
People are in tears crying yesterday while they're there, right?
Literally crying.
We had 30 police officers there yesterday.
We had security over there.
Are they doing it for charity?
No, the security is protecting, right?
What do you do with security?
You have to provide them.
If we're providing all the security for all these countries, why are we paying for it?
You got to pay us for it, right?
So there are so many ways that the way money is managed right now, which is absolutely ridiculous, that if we actually sat there, this is why I'm excited about Doge, the Department of Government Efficiency.
If there's anybody that can pull off firing and cutting and get them, do you know what percentage of government employees show up to work every day?
Do you know what percentage?
Do you know what percentage of government employees have to come and work at the office every day?
You know what the percentage is?
Is it less than 40%?
6%.
What?
Right there.
Read it.
The government house.
I'm going to speak a bulk at Senate reports showing only 6% of federal workers show up in person on a full-time basis.
What the hell are they doing?
Work from home.
They could be part-time.
So, yeah, it doesn't mean that that's the only people that show up.
It just means that only 6% are showing up five years.
Even if we take 50% of it, and let's just say the full stumbling percentage.
So that number is nuts.
What's the point though?
Hey, you want to work from home?
Go in the free market and see if you make it.
Because you know who's paying that?
You know who's paying that?
We're paying for that.
There is like a decision like this we can make where half our expenditure can be gone within two years, literally.
And we have to put everything on the table.
What do you guys do?
Jon Stewart asks you, hey, how do you miss an audit for Pentagon?
Well, I don't like the way you say it because that's not really what it is.
I'm sorry.
What other way is it?
Have you seen this interview with Stewart and the lady?
Yeah, no, I didn't see it, but that infuriates me.
So, no, look, you miss seven audits in a row.
If that happens in a private company, you're in a world of trouble.
If you miss one audit, where's the money?
You're a zombie.
And if you're a CEO of a company and your CFO, your chief financial officer screws it up so that he misses it.
You can't pass an audit and your investors don't know where the money is.
That brother's going to get fired.
And he's going to get fired in the first year, not in the seventh year.
So if I was Trump and I said, hey, look, put me in, coach, right?
If I'm Trump, Elon, et cetera, I'd ask the generals, where's the effing money?
If you can't tell me where $400 billion is, because they missed by about $400 billion, if you can't show me where $400 billion of our money is, you either find the money or you find your next job.
Okay?
Period.
I'm not interested in, I can't find $400 billion.
I mean, in 2015, this is again this platforming bullshit.
They buried a report because they don't want it to get out from the Pentagon that they knew for a fact $125 billion was just waste, fraud, and abuse.
I mean, they're just robbing us blind soap dispensers sold by Boeing at an 800% markup.
Okay.
Can you do that in a real business?
You can't do that in a real business.
But if in the Pentagon, and guys, remember, why did I pick the Pentagon?
Because that's a place where if you ever questioned it, the establishment would say, how dare you?
You're endangering national security.
Non-American.
You're going to get us all killed if we don't pay 800% markup for soaps.
And you remember the golden toilets and the $800 hands.
Support the troops, Jack.
Yeah.
Support the troops.
So when they did that bullshit, remember I fought Dick Cheney before he was in the Democratic Party.
And I'd say support the troops.
I looked it up at the time, and now it's a tiny bit better, but not much.
This incoming salary for service members was $19,000.
$19,000 a year.
Where's the support to troops?
The money isn't going to the troops.
The money's going to Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, Boeing, et cetera.
Okay.
So let's go.
I mean, look.
Bernie and AOC suggested a bill to cut the Pentagon by about $88, $89 billion a bunch a couple of years back, right?
And it went nowhere because the Republicans voted against it.
Democrats vote against it.
The establishment never wants to cut the Pentagon.
You tell me we need twice as much money as we did just like 10 years ago?
Bullshit.
They're robbing us blind.
They're robbing us blind.
So look, here's another agreement of the internet.
The right wing, the left-wing, the outsiders saying, for God's sake, cut the Pentagon.
Look, I would say at least $100 billion.
If you're not cutting $100 billion, you didn't even try.
Oh, no, no, no, no.
We can cut, in my opinion, $2 trillion.
And you know what my idea is with Social Security?
Hey, to all the people that paid in, old folks, we're going to take care of you.
Moving forward, anybody else, you paid in this much, here's money back to you.
Do whatever you want to do.
Moving forward, there's no Social Security.
However, when you're above 65 years old, if you choose to work after 65 years old, you pay no income taxes.
Go out there.
You're not paying any taxes.
If you choose to work for a few years, you're making $180,000.
You're going to go five more years, seven more years.
That $180 grand you make over the next five years, or your $78,000 you make over the next seven years, guess what?
Zero taxes.
Save all of it.
That because we're living to 90 years old.
So what are we doing?
Back in the days when Social Security was introduced at 62, 65, we were dying at 62.
Only a few thousand people actually got Social Security.
We have to make some bold decisions with this.
By the way, going back to the pardon, do you know which presidents have pardoned the most people?
Because you said pardon Trump pardoned this guy, Trump pardoned that guy.
You know who's pardoned the most people?
It's interesting when you think about it.
Do you think more Republicans pardon people or Democrats pardon people?
Democrats.
My guess is if you're bringing it up, it was Democrats.
But watch this.
You know what?
I didn't know until you said that.
So when you said that, I was like, because you know how he said gerrymandering?
Typically, Republicans, historically, it's true.
It's known that they're more creative when it comes down to the gerrymandering stuff.
Okay, fine.
60, 40 Republicans do more than them.
But pardons, watch this.
Pull this up and do me a favor right there.
Watch this.
Go ahead.
FDR pardoned the most people.
Nearly 4,000.
Liberal.
Wilson, 2480.
Liberal.
Truman, 2,000.
Obama.
Baron.
Who's fourth place with nearly 2,000 people on the leaders board?
Coolidge, I think, was a conservative, if not Republican, if I'm not mistaken.
Do you realize Trump only pardoned 10% of what Obama pardoned?
Wow.
And you guys are talking about Trump pardoning.
No, but Pat, it depends on who you pardon.
For example, hold on, hold on.
For example, Clinton's really low on that list.
But who did he pardon at the end?
He pardoned all of his donors.
So like, you see what I'm saying?
It's not just a raw number.
They might have given pardons to people who deserved it.
You know, after a war, sometimes they pardon folks who didn't serve in the war, et cetera, right?
But Clinton pardoned Mark Rich, who was a super rich donor of his.
So when you pardon people that are in your family, like he did with Charles Cushion, like Trump did with Charles Cushion, that's the issue.
What's worse than pardoning your own son?
Yeah, I agree with you.
So for, again, on principled, I agree with you.
I understand.
So, all I'm saying is sometimes you hear about pardon, guess what?
Moving forward, now we know who pardoned a lot of people, who didn't pardon a lot of people.
237.
As much as they talk, the way the media paints Trump as if he pardoned 17,000 people.
Yeah.
237 is who he pardoned.
Okay.
And we're going to see here who Biden's going to be pardoning with the next few weeks.
That's going to be real interesting while we're going through this whole situation.
Anyways, let's go to the next story.
Catastrophic situation here with United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson killed outside Manhattan Hotel.
Rob, if you can play the clip and stop, just show a little bit.
I don't want to show the whole clip.
The audience can see it.
It is tough.
This is the CEO of United Health.
If you want to play it while he's walking, and then when the guy pulls up the gun, just stop it.
Go for it.
This is around 7 a.m.
Pause it, pause right there.
Boom.
There you go.
Okay.
Just kidding.
Right there.
Okay, fantastic.
Yeah.
So you see this.
By the way, he's by himself.
They interviewed his security.
They said on this trip, he didn't have security.
Normally, when you're top 20, top 50, they all have somebody.
He's going by himself to the meeting.
This setup takes place.
I think he shoots him, if I'm not mistaken, six times.
If you see the clip, it gets stuck.
He continues.
And there's a lot of story behind it of being an inside job.
The guy on the bullets had two words on it.
Three, three words.
Three words.
What was it, Rob?
Deny, delay, and then depose.
Deny, delay.
What is it?
Deny, depose.
Depose.
And then defend.
NYPD is investigating the possible message, which appears to include the words deny, depose, and defend, written on live rounds and show cast cases left behind by masked assassin.
Vinny, what do you know about this story?
Well, I mean, first of all, Pat, I mean, obviously it's tragic for, you know, he had a wife.
I think he had two kids, Rob.
So, you know, you know, prayers go out to them.
But so he was pronounced dead at Mount Sinai.
And then apparently he was earning a $10 million salary.
He led the company to a record-breaking $98.9 billion in one quarter.
So he's a heavyweight.
But in 2022, he took over right after COVID and he became this polarizing figure because they started denying payments for non-critical ER visits, a policy that critics says penalize patients for seeking care that they need the most.
And then United Health faced a lawsuit for using faulty AI, faulty AI, weird.
Obviously, they set it up to deny elderly patients medically necessary coverage.
The company was also being probed by the DOJ for alleged antitrust violations.
He himself, Thompson, was under investigation for, what is it, Tom?
The Nancy Pelosi type stuff.
Insider trading.
Insider trading.
And then you should see online, online, there was people going crazy and it wasn't talking crap about the killer.
Okay.
Thousands of people went on venting about the frustration over a system accused of valuing profits over patients.
Some people wrote, was his trip to the ER really emergent?
According to his own company, my husband's heart attack wasn't an actual emergency and we were out $3,000.
And another guy wrote, sending a prior authorization, deny claims, collections, and prayers to his family.
A lot of people were trying to say, oh, this was a hit.
This is assassination.
The guy wrote deny, delay, and defend, which was basically saying that these insurance are screwing people over.
I have a feeling that this guy, Chank, either his daughter or his son or a mother or something was going on with this guy's family and this company is behind it.
Because I have a chart, Rob.
You have that chart, bro?
I think I sent it to you the other day.
Out of all the people that deny claims, out of all the companies, guess where United Health is in that list.
Number one.
Look at this, Chank.
Are you right?
32%.
Rob, I think I slacked it to you.
It might have been an unusuals one.
No, they're number one.
They're a number one.
You got to have the percent because they're the largest.
So you need the percent denied to truly rate it.
Yeah, it's about 32%.
It's monstrous.
A third of the people.
Look at that.
Look at the claimed denial rates by insurance company.
Look at that.
They're 32%, Pat.
32%.
Kaiser's at 7%.
They're denying the crap out of it.
What is everyone?
What is the industry average?
What does that number say?
16. 16.
So they're double.
They're double.
And then think about it.
I don't hate to be this guy.
It is what it is.
When you're screwing people over like that at the corporate level and they don't realize, Tank, they think they're untouchable.
Sad to say, you're not untouchable because you are affecting people's lives.
I don't know the full story, but to write, to write carve that into shell casings, that's a freaking personal vendetta.
And that's personal.
That has something personal to do it out in the open.
I think they're going to, they'll probably catch this guy in a week or two.
But I mean, the numbers don't line.
That's still on the run.
Can I just say, this is the exact segment we did on the Young Turks yesterday.
So this is what I'm talking about.
If we just talk to each other, it's amazing how much we totally agree.
Shooting this guy is terrible, immoral, totally unacceptable.
Violence is always unacceptable.
It's always surrender in the battlefield of ideas, et cetera.
Now, at the same time, not but, but at the same time, at the same time, you have this chart and it's true.
And so it goes to the point that we've been talking about.
People, like the people in power are bottling everything up, and they think that they can maintain that.
This is unprecedented.
It doesn't happen in other countries.
In other countries, in all other developed nations, you're actually guaranteed health care.
And then you could put private health care on top.
We don't do that.
So 76,000 people, according to studies, die every year because they don't have health insurance.
That number is zero in other countries.
So as much as I mourn this guy, and I do.
I don't want anybody to think otherwise, right?
I also mourn those 76,000 Americans that die every year because they get denied coverage.
Because think about health insurance.
It makes no sense in my mind to privatize this.
So like you want to do, again, you want to do private on top?
Great.
No problem.
You want to do private security on top of the cops?
Great.
No problem.
But when you have it like this, you know, Pat, you and I run businesses.
What do you want to do?
You want to maximize profit.
You want to minimize costs, right?
So, so you so what do you, what's the revenue that you're getting in?
Money from people.
You charge, for everything, charge for everything, right?
And what do you pay out?
Healthcare.
So you deny as much health care as possible so you can make a greater profit.
So these guys made $20 billion in profit the other day.
I don't mind people making profits from jeans, burgers, et cetera.
God bless, right?
You're adding on top of the things that are guaranteed.
I don't mind that at all.
But when you're denying 32%, almost a third of the people through 18 different tricks, endless tricks, and then all these folks die because they don't have health insurance, they're going to get mad.
And I'm not saying this to encourage vigilante violence.
I'm saying this as a warning.
Like the vigilante violence is going to break out whether we agree or disagree, whether we condemn it or not.
And I'll give you other examples that like on crime.
I'm like, guys, if you don't do something about crime in LA, people are going to start taking it into their own hands.
And they did.
And then you started seeing vigilante justice against criminals, and then unfortunately against homeless people, et cetera.
Because when you bottle things up, people go, enough of this shit.
And you get vigilante justice.
By the way, and that's what Joker One was really all about, which is why I walked that 42 minutes into the movie.
I said, this is not a good movie.
This is a dividing movie.
But there's a part of it that is true and it happens.
In regards to, you said a lot of different things.
In regards to private healthcare versus, you know, public, the government offers it all that stuff.
And I just don't think anything public does better than private.
I just don't think they do.
That's my only argument to that.
And I do say regularly, what's the business model of hospitals?
The more beds filled, the more money they make.
They need more sick people, right?
Okay, what's the business model of military companies that sell weapons?
They need more whores.
What's the business model?
We're on the same page there.
Hotels, they need beds filled.
That's the shooter's picture right there.
That's the shooter who the person is.
By the way, there's a story going out.
This may or may not be true.
In February of this year, United Health had a cyber breach in February, if I'm not mistaken.
I think a day before or a day of.
You guys can go do your own due diligence.
This article is spreading all over the place as well.
I don't know if it's factual or not.
The Pelosi's, you know, they're famous for making investments into certain things.
Psychics.
On the same day, Pelosi made her second purchase of Call Options, a Palo Alto Network cybersecurity company that was later chosen to investigate the breach.
So the United Healthcare CEO was killed by a mass gunman and it shows the investment.
You know how they always track the Nancy Pelosi tracker?
Yeah.
And there's an account on Twitter that's going on.
Again, go do the research of this on your own.
If you can go on the timeline, Rob, of what happened, the one on New York Post, it does a great job explaining the timeline of events that took place.
If you go a little bit lower, lower, lower, lower, go a little lower, a little lower, right there.
So at 6:44 a.m., the victim is walking alone towards the New York Hilton Midtown.
After visiting his hotel across the street, the shooter who was lying in wait alongside the building fires at him.
Okay.
Then the shooter then runs to an alleyway between 54th and 55th Street.
Once the West 55th Street, the shooter continues to walk on 6th Avenue where he gets onto an electrical city bike.
Then the shooter rides north on 6th Avenue towards Central Park.
At 6:48 a.m., the shooter rides the bike into Center Drive.
Okay.
And since then, there's been nothing with him.
Nothing.
And mind you, the eyewitnesses were there.
There was a bunch of them on the news.
They were like, this guy waited for him outside for hours overnight, waiting and waiting.
Like he wanted to hit that guy.
Like it was meant for him.
It was premeditated.
For sure.
How do they not find this guy in New York City with traffic?
It's the most cameras operated city in the world, potentially.
How do they not find this?
Well, I mean, now, I mean, I mean, they got the photos of him because apparently he went to Starbucks.
Because I mean, you can't pass up, you know, peppermint mocha.
It's the holidays.
That's right.
And he's on an e-bike, so he's going green.
But think about it.
He can't be in hotels.
How do you get on the e-he's going to have a credit card?
Exactly, but there's no getaway.
You can't take an Uber in Manhattan.
You got to get on the bike.
I mean, he planned it and then on the bike.
But then, like you said, Adam, that face, his face is out there.
Now, it's going to, in two days, three days, you're going to find out who this guy is.
And what happened with him and the insurance side of it.
But then going back to you, Check, if you think about it, this guy, if he was insider trading and he's lying to the people and he's denying 37% of the claims and people are dying because of it, would you think that he belongs in jail if he's guilty for insider training and ruining people's lives and 75,000 people?
So two different things.
If he's doing insider trading, that's illegal and crime should go to prison, right?
On the denying, no, as much as I loathe it, I loathe it.
We have to change the system.
Putting him in jail doesn't make any sense, right?
So, and by the way, killing him doesn't make any sense.
It doesn't change the system, right?
So you've got to change the fundamental structure here because otherwise they're going to make a profit off of our deaths for the rest of the time.
Like literally no other developed nation allows this.
So this is madness.
And so let's change the way things are done rather than just hitting one guy or putting somebody in jail.
But there's a million things that, look here, I'll give you an example.
I don't know if you guys will like it, but Rick Scott, now senator from Florida, okay, former governor, former governor, committed the largest Medicare fraud in American history.
His company did.
He was the CEO of it.
The company says, yes, we're guilty.
Okay.
And they pay a fine.
My guess is it was a percentage of the profits that they made from that scam, right?
Now, guys, you should be super pissed about that.
They robbed us.
That Medicare is us, our taxpayer money, right?
And they said, okay, the company is guilty, but the guy who made all the decisions, the CEO, not guilty.
But wait, what the fuck is this?
I mean, you can't send a company to jail, right?
But in that case, it was actually illegal.
They stole over a billion dollars and nobody goes to jail.
No, the next time a company is guilty, some human being is guilty.
Don't tell me, and Democrats and Republicans do this.
Corporations are guilty.
Aha ha.
They'll pay 20% of their profits that they did from that scam, but nobody goes to jail.
No, F that.
You break the law and the company's guilty.
Whoever did it, you're going to jail.
And that's going to, I agree 100%.
And that's the point I was trying to make, going back right back to Fauci.
That type of attitude, that type of policies and shit, and people are dying and you're lying.
I want, and it's not just a blanket.
I want people to go to prison.
No Chang.
Certain people have to pay the price.
We can go hours on healthcare and debate all this, but it's very interesting to me that there's actually a war going on in healthcare that they're against each other.
The insurance companies are on one side and the pharma is on the other.
Did you know that there is actually restrictive statutes that prevent the federal government from negotiating the prices of Medicare drugs?
And actually, under Biden, it was bipartisan that they finally, you're nodding.
You know what I'm talking about?
Yeah.
They finally got it through.
And I think the first list of drugs was a hysterical total of 10.
I think it was 10.
They started with one, but they said, don't worry, through the next two, three years, we'll get all the way up to 10.
Wow.
Can I, they can actually negotiate prices on 10.
Well, guess who's forced to pay the prices on those?
The insurance companies.
The insurance companies are no sweethearts, right?
You go look at this, but there's an example that even inside this terribly broken healthcare system where we, our life expectancy has gone down.
We spend more than any country in the world on healthcare, and we don't have the statistical outcome that you would think, oh, you guys must be the healthiest and living longest.
No, we're not.
And so, and it's just ironic that there's this war going on between pharma and insurance company inside that entire broken healthcare system, which has more lobbyists than the Department of Defense.
So I love what Tom was saying.
Let me just build off that a couple of quick points.
So, first of all, on Medicare negotiating drug prices, we're not allowed to negotiate drug prices.
That's not a thing that any other country does.
That's insanity.
That is corporatism run amok.
That's corruption run amok.
Because what part of the free market says, no, you're not allowed to negotiate prices.
You must accept a price that a company tells you.
That's insane.
I've never heard of that in my life.
That's a free market killer.
It's totally against capitalism, right?
And Bush is the one who put it in place.
Then Obama ran ads.
It was called Billy.
It was one of his most successful ads saying, can you believe this?
They won't even let us negotiate drug prices.
We just have to pay whatever ransom the drug companies want, right?
And then Obama got in, said, we're not negotiating drug prices.
Okay, let's be honest.
Trump said he was going to do it.
He got in.
He didn't negotiate drug prices.
Biden got in, not negotiating drug prices.
Why?
Because big pharma is the number one donor group in the whole country.
Like I complain about APAC all the time and how much money they put in and control the politicians, et cetera.
APAC's got nothing on big pharma.
Big pharma is gig freaking gantic.
And to your point, Tom, about how much of our life expectancy they take from us, this combined industry that has become totally captured the government and then used it against the American people.
Those countries that all other developed nations that have universal health care, they live on average.
It costs twice as much for us.
We pay twice as much.
That's insanity.
And we live on average four years shorter than them.
So they're taking four years of all of our lives on average.
Okay, we got to change that system.
All right, let's go to the last story and then we'll wrap up.
This is a story where I think it was two weeks ago when I said the next thing that's going to be happening with mainstream media and the enemy and the establishment is finding ways to pin Trump against Musk.
Called it.
Pinning themselves against each other because I think the enemy, the state, as of November 5th, it was Trump, as of November 6th, it is Musk, and they have to find a way to go after Musk in every possible way.
And here's another one that you're seeing here.
Vivek Ramaswamy wants to trash Elon Musk as a puppet for China.
Rob, is there a clip here or is it a story?
If you want to play this clip, go for it.
But I'm going to break a cardinal rule, an unspoken rule in the Republican Party these days and in the conservative movement by saying that, you know, if somebody's an actual hero and they're doing a certain thing, you can't criticize them when they do something wrong.
That's Elon Musk, apparently, according to the Chinese government, as of yesterday's reports, kowtowing to the Chinese Communist Party, presumably as a basis for gaining favorable market treatment there.
Their foreign minister, China's foreign minister, yesterday reported publicly on a meeting that Elon had with Chinese officials in which he said that he doesn't support a decoupling from China, but instead called the U.S. and communist China conjoined twins, using his words, according to the Chinese officials.
Now, maybe Elon doubted that characterization of the meeting, but turns out that Tesla's vice president in China posted the CCP's statement on Weibo, a Chinese social network in China, though they perhaps quite cleverly didn't post that here in the United States.
I don't think it would have gone as well over here.
Now we know that there's news reporting on what happened in that meeting.
It's part of a continued and I think concerning pattern of a number of American CEOs, but even let's just stick to Elon in the case of Tesla.
Last October, inexplicably, out of nowhere, no one's asking the CEO of an electric car maker to offer his opinion on this necessarily, or are they?
Saying that Taiwan should reunify with China.
Said that last October.
Literally days later, actually gets a nice little attaboy pat on the back from the CCP when they give special tax benefits in Shanghai, only to follow up next year of building a new factory for Tesla in Shanghai as well.
Well, now the conservatives in the U.S., what do they see?
There's a conservatives love hero worship in the United States.
They're worshiping their latest hero.
I respect, by the way, a lot of what Elon Musk has done.
I've been one of his biggest champions and proponents for what he's doing for the cause of free speech via trying to transform Twitter.
But I think we can't fall into messiah complexes and have to see with clear eyes that it's the job of the U.S. to protect and the U.S. government to protect Americans from a national security and geopolitical perspective.
And that means making sure that we don't allow our own companies to be turned, by the way, subsidized companies at that.
Think about the number of subsidies that American subsidies that flow to a company like Tesla or another electric car company to be turned into pawns for the CCP.
How do they turn them into pawns because their private shareholders and their owners get to benefit from entering the Chinese market?
So you can't posit it.
So, I mean, obviously you're seeing Tom, when you see this here, how do you process it?
Well, you know, it's really interesting.
There's a couple angles that you see.
The first is, okay, what does a person really believe at the time they say it?
And does their opinion change over time with more information?
You know, It's like we just watched a year of you know candidates go on stage and rip each other to shreds and try to find everything they can on OPPO research on people that are supposedly wearing the same jersey.
And then two of them decide, okay, you're gonna be my VP, so all is forgiven.
Let's go together as unified and go.
And so two things can be true at the same time: that Vivek really believed that based on what he saw, that wow, is Twitter actually getting benefits from China and sitting in meetings and they want those benefits to build a factory in Shanghai and things like that.
So they're going along with certain things.
That could be very true.
It also could be very true that he respects Elon Musk.
And once he starts working closely with him, that he gets answers on things, perhaps.
Or, or when he works closely with him, he just decides to hand wave over what he said previously.
I'd love to inspect Vivek and have him sit down and explain it.
Tell us about your journey from where you went with appeared to be a very clear-eyed criticism with facts of a person you're now working with.
And take us from then to now and let Vivek explain it.
Yeah.
And you know what I get from what he's saying here?
Vivek, all Vivek is saying is America first before China and profits.
That's how he processed this.
It's very simple for me.
I see him saying that.
But at the same time, you're going to see more of these things coming from the past.
And the same way what all the old clips of JD Vance were resurfacing about, you know, what JD said about Trump and all that stuff, that's going to resurface.
It's going to be very weird and interesting to see how they try to pin these guys together and how they, how they stay united.
Jank, your thoughts on this?
Yeah.
So look, on the one hand, mainstream media digs up stuff for either character assassinations or get people to fight, et cetera.
On the other hand, I get it.
It's a, you know, they're going to work together.
And it turns out he'd said these bad things about him.
It's newsworthy, right?
So my take on it is a little bit different.
So first of all, one thing I'll give Trump credit on is he's pretty good at letting bygones be bygones, right?
You know, his vice president called him Hitler and he let it go and he picked him as vice president, right?
So he let it go with Bobby Kennedy.
And so now he's probably going to make these, and I'm sure that these guys are already past it, et cetera.
And yeah, and by the way, maybe we shouldn't cancel people forever.
Maybe sometimes you thought this and now you think that.
And sometimes it's genuine, sometimes it's bullshit.
I get it, right?
But sometimes, guys, it is genuine, right?
And even so, look, well, let me make the counterpoint, right?
So I get it.
He probably, oh, the other thing I wanted to say is that maybe they agree in part.
Like, it's like, do Elon Musk and Vivek Ramasami have to agree on every single thing?
No, right?
Like, for example, with Elon and me.
So this is the second thing.
So apparently, we may or may not agree on the Pentagon, whether it's cutting it or making sure the generals don't have a conflict of interest.
Great, wonderful.
Let's take the agreement.
But that doesn't mean I'm letting my guard down.
Look, keeping it real, guys, he was Trump's largest donor.
And now it looks like we didn't quite see how much he'd given before.
Now it looks like he's sold about a quarter of a billion dollars.
That is a lot of money.
He has $15 billion in contracts with the government between Tesla and SpaceX.
He's got business dealings with China.
And the thing about Trump is that, man, he's, I think he's accidentally honest, but he'll say it.
He'd be like, I was against electric vehicles.
Then Elon came in with a strong endorsement.
And now I'm for electric vehicles, right?
TikTok.
That's another thing related to China.
So Trump tried to ban it when he was in office.
Then Jeff Yas, 15% owner of TikTok, comes in, gives him a couple of million dollars.
He's like, now I like TikTok.
I'm not, I don't want to ban it anymore.
So guys, be careful, be careful that there's donors on all sides.
Okay.
So keep an eye out.
Hey, is it an American interest or that particular person's interest, whether it's Biden or Trump, whether it's Elon or Fauci?
Whose interest is it in, right?
So, and it doesn't mean you don't trust the person at all.
It just means, hey, put the cards on the table.
Let's see what we got.
So, I kind of agree with Vivek.
I massively disagree with Vivek on many other things, but I kind of agree with that old tape of him about China and Elon.
So, it's not to say that anybody's evil, right?
It just says the brother does business with China.
So, let's keep an eye out, right?
And by the way, I'm glad, and it doesn't mean that I hate their positions.
I'm glad that Trump switched on electric vehicles, and I'm glad he switched on TikTok.
He was banning TikTok's nuts.
It's nuts.
We should not ban TikTok.
That is where a lot of people get their information.
The reason they wanted to ban TikTok is because they didn't like what people were saying on TikTok, not because of the China stuff.
They said, Oh, that's too left-wing.
It's too outsiders.
It's too populous.
It's too many actual human beings, and it's not a controlled message.
That's why Jen Saki said the other day, and I went nuts over it.
She's like, oh, there's social media.
There's too much disinformation.
We should consider laws against it.
I remember that.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Breaking news for you, according to Wall Street Journal.
Appeals Court upholds the U.S. ban of TikTok that just came across the ticker right now.
Panorama's Congress has the power to shut down the Chinese-backed app in the U.S. because of national security.
Ass, it's national security.
It's their security.
It's the security of the establishment.
You're going to have to take up your case with the Supreme Court then, Jenkins.
Yeah.
So that's.
But look, I think this is.
But that's the Supreme Court saying they're allowed to do it.
That doesn't mean Congress should do it.
Yeah, exactly.
We're going to see what happens with that.
But I actually think this is a non-issue of, you know, what's the whole thing from Reagan?
I say it all the time.
Someone that you agree with 80% of the time is a friend and ally, not a 20% enemy.
These guys are aligned on so much stuff.
The fact that he's questioning him with what he's doing in China, by the way, Tesla, I think China is their second largest market.
25% of their sales come from China.
Okay, cool.
But Tom made a great point in election season, in primary season, Trump in 2016.
Little Marco, you know, all right, you're the new secretary of state.
Congratulations.
Mike Hackaby, nobody knows you are.
Ambassador to Israel.
Rick Perry.
The list goes on and on.
Ben Carson.
So all these people are basically part of his administration in 2016.
We're going to see what happens then.
But this is such a non-issue.
And back to Pat's point.
Yeah, we're going to see more of this.
But you know who this falls on?
It falls on Trump.
It falls on Vivek.
It falls on Elon being big boys and understanding, look, they're going to try to divide and conquer, and we just need to stay aligned.
We got $2 trillion to cut ASAP.
So we'll see if they do it.
Yeah.
I mean, listen, knowing them, when McCarthy was here and we were sitting down talking afterwards at the 1200, I'll never forget what he said.
We talked about a bunch of different names.
He said, those guys that you think are going to run for president in 2028, they will not.
He says they will not.
We talked about what the names were.
I said, why not?
He says, because they're not battle tested.
I said, what do you mean battle tested?
He says, look, Trump's battle tested.
Okay.
These guys are battle tested.
Musk is battle tested.
Musk has been in the public eye of being made fun of and whatever for God knows how long now, two decades.
And he has increased his ability of learning how to troll in ways where he's probably the top three best trollers in the world.
Trump being number one, he's in the top three of best trollers in America.
At least he's one of the best.
50 cents.
He's top five.
50 Cent is probably top 50.
Okay.
But Trump is one.
Musk is top three.
50 cent?
50.
50 trolls.
Listen, Jake Paul is there.
I mean, there's a lot of different people.
And when you think about some of these guys, but anyways, gang, reminder before we wrap up, and I'm just preparing for everybody here on what's going on.
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Jank, it's great to have you here.
This was a great conversation.
Looking forward to doing many, many more of these for years to come.
Thank you, brother.
I appreciate it.
So look, let's start that revolution.
Let's unite on the things that we agree on.
And by the way, prove the left wrong, right?
The guys who are doubting me, right, say, no, they're not real right-wing populists.
No, they're never going to content Pentagon.
No, they're never going to do any of these positive things.
Prove them wrong.
Let's do some things for the real American people.
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Like, for example, I disagree with you on Social Security.
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Okay, let's hash it out, right?
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We'd like to have the other guys on the show.
We do open conversations and a real debate and a real conversation.
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