PBD - Patrick Bet-David - Brazil: Corrupt Alexandre de Moraes EXPOSED | Eduardo Bolsonaro, Nikolas Ferreira

May 10, 2024 - PBD - Patrick Bet-David

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Brazil: Corrupt Alexandre de Moraes EXPOSED | Eduardo Bolsonaro, Nikolas Ferreira | PBD Podcast #409

Patrick Bet-David sits down with the new leaders of the Brazilian conservative movement Eduardo Bolsonaro, Nikolas Ferreira, Gustavo Gayer, and Paulo Figueiredo Filho to discuss censorship, corruption, and lawfare. In this exclusive conversation with Jair Bolsonaro's son, Eduardo, you will get a better grasp of what's going on in Brazil and why Elon Musk is worried about it. ---- Eduardo Bolsonaro https://www.instagram.com/bolsonarosp/ https://x.com/bolsonarosp/ https://eventoconservador.com.br/ https://acaoconservadora.com.br/ Our Guests: Nikolas Ferreira https://linktr.ee/nikolasferreira Gustavo Gayer https://linktr.ee/gusgayer Paulo Figueiredo Filho https://x.com/realpfigueiredo https://paulofigueiredoshow.com/ --- Join "The Minnect League Championship" to win a night of dinner & cigars with Patrick Bet-David: https://bit.ly/4aMAar8 Connect one-on-one with the right expert for you on Minnect: https://bit.ly/3MC9IXE Connect with Patrick Bet-David on Minnect: https://bit.ly/3OoiGIC Connect with Vincent Oshana on Minnect: https://bit.ly/47TFCXq Connect with Rob Garguilo on Minnect: https://bit.ly/426IG0R Purchase Patrick's new book "Choose Your Enemies Wisely": https://bit.ly/41bTtGD Register to win a Valuetainment Boss Set (valued at over $350): https://bit.ly/41PrSLW Get best-in-class business advice with Bet-David Consulting: https://bit.ly/40oUafz Visit VT.com for the latest news and insights from the world of politics, business and entertainment: https://bit.ly/472R3Mz Visit Valuetainment University for the best courses online for entrepreneurs: https://bit.ly/47gKVA0 Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! Get PBD's Intro Song "Sweet Victory" by R-Mean: https://bit.ly/3T6HPdY SUBSCRIBE TO: @VALUETAINMENT @vtsoscast @ValuetainmentComedy @bizdocpodcast @theunusualsuspectspodcast

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	Don't ask me how we were able to pull this off, but we got four of the most influential, powerful voices in the Brazilian communities.
	Paulo Fille Redo.
	Okay, yes or no, please.
	This has nothing to do with the yes or no.
	Reclaim, I can ask.
	This is my hearing.
	The third son of Yair Bolsonaro, Eduardo Bolsonaro.
	It seems that your father and President Trump have a natural affinity.
	Yes, my father, as Trump, he doesn't follow the politically correctly.
	So what he thinks, he tells people.
	If you are going to like it or not is up to you.
	Nicolas Ferreira.
	Gustavo Galler.
	What's happening in the world today?
	That's not just in Brazil.
	That totalitarianism is a virus.
	All right.
	So don't ask me how we were able to pull this off.
	But we got four of the most influential, powerful voices in the Brazilian community, specifically on the conservative side, especially at a time like this with all the stuff that's going on in Brazil.
	Whether you were watching what happened with the elections or the January 8 event in 2023, on my right, he's been on before.
	Paolo Filler Redo.
	I think I said it right.
	I got it somewhere close close to it.
	He's been on before.
	Probably one of the loudest figures, you know, podcasting YouTube.
	You know, your father, I think, was the former grandfather, was a former president of Brazil.
	And we had this conversation last time you were here.
	I think it was Rodrigo Constantine, if I'm not mistaken, right?
	To my left, we have the third son of Yair Bolsonaro, Eduardo Bolsonaro, who became a congressman, maybe the most popular congressman in 2018, if I'm not mistaken, where you have a massive following, loyalty.
	People are curious to know what you're doing, but you're also involved in politics yourself as well with your father, which is very interesting to see that and great to have you on.
	Thank you.
	Then we have Nicolas Ferreira, which by the way, I'm trying to see if I can give a good example where in America it'll make sense to you.
	So 2022, he wins, getting the most votes.
	You guys call it MP.
	We call it Congressman.
	I think it's like relatively close to it.
	Yeah, it is.
	Yeah.
	And this guy's got 18, 19 million followers.
	I think you got 11 million on Insta, if I'm not mistaken.
	You got like 5 million on TikTok.
	You got millions of people following you.
	You're loud, you're confident, you're assertive, and you're hated by a lot of people on the other side in Brazil.
	I think it's fair to say.
	And then Gustavo, who we have here, Galler, is probably the guy that speaks the best English here, just so you know.
	He runs a school in Brazil.
	I think he started in 2013, 2014.
	Exactly.
	And you're also very good at getting under people's skin.
	So it's great to have you on as well.
	It's a very interesting crowd we got here.
	Thank you.
	So let me get right into it.
	My interest.
	This video podcast is going to be translated in the language as well, so everybody can watch this.
	It'll be all over the place, English as well as the native language that they speak in Brazil.
	I want to start off with this.
	Last time we were together, I am not heavily involved in the Brazilian politics, but I want to know why and what happened to this guy.
	If you can pull him up, Alejandre, you guys call him de Moraes, I think, right?
	Alexandre de Moraes.
	Pull up his picture.
	So according to some of the due diligence that we're doing on our end, this guy was a lawyer.
	He went to a law school.
	I think later on, he wrote a book on law for lawyers that most law schools in Brazil actually use.
	I think it may even be the most popular book written on laws there.
	And he did a lot of good work economically, if I'm not mistaken.
	He's a conservative.
	And Ford, he claims back in the days, economically, he was conservative.
	He was about backing up the cops to make sure the streets were clean and all the stuff that was going on where some issues that was happening with him.
	And then all of a sudden, something happens, okay, where you go through a certain phase with him where he flips from being who he was.
	Operation Car Wash happens, millions of dollars, if not billions of dollars, are stolen.
	You know, Lula gets the house, the waterfront property, claims never got it.
	Another guy gave $2.1 billion in bribes.
	I think it's one of the richest people in Brazil.
	You guys know the name on who he is, what he did.
	But I want to know about him.
	How did he go from being a lawyer to getting into different political groups to all of a sudden becoming the most feared and possibly some people even call him a dictator in Brazil?
	What happened with him?
	I think Paulo Figueredo, who lives here in the U.S., can answer better this question.
	It's hard.
	I'm telling that because other way we three here have to go back home.
	And I'm very sorry to get arrested.
	Depending what we are going to talk here, we can have huge problems over there.
	I'm going to remember when we were together in Brussels in the European Parliament talking about the censorship in Brazil and all of that.
	When he came back, the federal police report, it was my name there.
	I'm not sure if yours, your name's.
	But everybody here is under investigation.
	Just like Elon Musk.
	when Alexandre de Moraes, when he doesn't like someone, he opened an investigation against this person.
	So I think if Paulo could...
	Yeah, for example, Patrick, one day after we spoke to Elon Musk on Space, on X, the day after...
	This is the Mario in the Fall Twitter Space.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, exactly.
	He does a phenomenal job.
	Thank you, Mario.
	By the way, he's doing a lot for Brazil.
	Rachel forgive us, giving us voice.
	One day after, they opened an investigation against me because I called Lula a thief.
	So that's what they do.
	Anything that you say that maybe is dangerous for them, they open an investigation and they try to pressure you, you know?
	Has Brazil always been that way?
	No.
	Okay, so when did it flip?
	That's my interest.
	That's what Paulo is going to ask.
	When did it flip?
	Well, so he has a very interesting background.
	He was never a conservative, but Brazil had, Brazil didn't have conservatives for a long time.
	We had a left and center-left.
	So we had Workers' Party, which was socialist, very old school socialist, and we had a center-left.
	It's more like European social democracy.
	And Brazil has been alternating between these two parties from, you can say, since my grandfather until his father, okay?
	And then his father changed everything.
	So his background was that he was secretary of security, right?
	Yeah.
	Safety, public safety, in the state of Sao Paulo.
	And then he was, when Duma Rousseff was impeached, he was called to be the Minister of Justice of Duma Rousseff, a vice president, and then became president, a gentleman called Michel Temer.
	So that's, he became, he was appointed by Michel Temer, which was a guy more from the center to be the justice of a Supreme Court.
	Rob, can you pull up Michelle Temer, please?
	Keep going.
	Back then, what's very interesting is that back then, the Workers' Party asked for him to be impeached.
	They tried any way they could to avoid him becoming a Supreme Court justice.
	They really were really heavy against it.
	But things started changing in 2019.
	So in 2019, Jayer Bolsonaro got elected in 2018.
	He took office in 2019.
	And at the same time, Operation Car Wash was starting to investigate corruption from the Supreme Court involving some figures from the Supreme Court.
	That include another justice called Joe Marmendez and M-I-C-H-E-L, Michelle Temet.
	Michael Michael Tampa.
	M-I-M-I-C-H-E-L.
	That's the first thing.
	Yeah, that's him.
	Yeah, that's him.
	Yeah, okay.
	This guy is the vice president of Duma.
	But he's center.
	He's in the center.
	He's centered.
	So let's stay real quick there.
	So in 2019, does anybody in Brazil wake up worrying about Alessandra de Moraes in 2019?
	I would say most of us know who was in.
	No, no, but we mostly supported him as a Supreme Court justice because we didn't think of him as being a tyrant.
	We didn't know he was a psychopath.
	We didn't know about that.
	Actually, because that's the thing about a lot of videos, him saying that PT made corruption, that the left made corruption in our country.
	So there's all the videos from him.
	That's what I'm saying.
	He used to be a conservative.
	At least he's a very good person.
	He's not a conservative, but an opposition against the party.
	There's something in Brazil, we like to say the theater of Caesars.
	For decades, we believed there was a right and a left.
	The truth is, like Paulo said, they were both on the left, one more left than the other with two parties, PT, Workers' Party, and PSTB, which is Socialist Democratic Party.
	And what they wanted to do is alternate between them for as long as forever.
	And this guy, Alexander Jamoraes, was part of one of the not-so-left party.
	He was a Frenchman, a frontman for this.
	But then what happened was that a fluke happened.
	And because of internet, because people started saying their mind and debating on the internet, we were able to elect Bolsonaro.
	Bolsonaro in the House of Congress, he was what we call the Bishoplairo, the lower rank congressman.
	That's a little guy.
	But because of the internet, propagated his words and he spoke exactly what was in our minds, what was stuffed in our minds.
	And then people started following him.
	And everywhere he went, he went to an airport and then thousands of people showed up just to carry him on our shoulders.
	And the system started getting worried about that.
	Well, wait, wait a second.
	Who is this guy?
	Who is this outsider that wants to come in?
	We already have the next president.
	And Alexander Moraes was part of the next president's group.
	But then the fluke happened.
	We elected Bolsonaro.
	Very similar to Donald Trump here.
	Yep.
	But less money.
	But Bolsonaro has absolutely zero money, actually.
	Usually I say conservative accounts that my father did not spend even $1 million during his campaign in 2018.
	And I'm very conservative.
	I could say, I don't know, half of that.
	It was a phenomenon.
	It was a phenomenon.
	So let me ask you, has your father ever met him before?
	Like before he became a president?
	Yes.
	I don't think so.
	Before becoming president to?
	No, no, no.
	Okay.
	Because no one thought he would win Bolsonaro.
	I mean, the establishment didn't think he was going to win.
	You heard this before.
	It was less possible than Millay.
	About it.
	Oh, my God.
	Bolsonaro like Bolsonaro is going to be the president.
	You heard this before.
	It was a joke.
	Exactly like.
	The difference is that when a lot of people say like Trump, the difference is Trump's been famous for long time money TV.
	Was your father famous in Brazil?
	No, no.
	Well, he was famous for being on TV shows.
	Yes, because the race of my father, it was in the exact moment that the strategy of the left wings was doing encourage the politically correct policies.
	So my father was accused of being racist, nasist, fascist, homophobia, all of that.
	Pre-running.
	Pre-running, pre-running.
	And then my father, he wasn't given that meditation for that and started to keep talking his thoughts that he's thinking, what he was thinking.
	And he started to go all around the country because he said, if Juma Josef, who is not smart, and I'll be very polite here, if he got re-elected, if she did get re-elected as president of Brazil, why not me?
	So he starts to go all around the country doing some radio shows and TV shows.
	When is this?
	18 or 17?
	This was.
	16, 17.
	So he started talking about his policies that he thinks there's a problem in Brazil in 2016.
	Yes.
	In TV popular shows.
	Yes.
	Including like shows that were not about politics.
	One thing is important.
	A lot of these shows invited him to mock him.
	To mock him.
	Yes.
	To mock him, to make fun of him.
	But that's the disconnection there is between the legacy media and the people, the population, because when we watched him and we saw his words, that's exactly what we think.
	Beautiful people was making fun.
	And then he was talking with the mass of the people.
	And there's a nice point on it because the internet made his voice heard, you know?
	Yeah.
	So 2016, people started to go on Facebook, on Instagram, and then people could hear him because all we had were the traditional medias in Brazil that never put him as a good person.
	Okay, so at that time he's going, he's behind the scenes, no one is even looking, right?
	He's nothing at this time, 16, 17, 18.
	You know him, you're saying you know him, but he's not front-facing.
	He's behind closed doors.
	Okay.
	No threat, no signs of that one time he stole this, that one time he did this.
	There's nothing yet.
	No, correct.
	Okay, so what happens 2020 with him?
	Now Bolsonaro is the president.
	Now he's there.
	He wins 2019 till 2022.
	What's happening to him now behind closed doors?
	So in 2019, when Bolsonaro got elected, at the same time, Kyle Walsh was starting to investigate Supreme Court jobs.
	So in early— Lula hasn't gone to jail yet, or he did.
	He wasn't.
	He was 520 days in jail.
	Yeah, he was.
	He was supposed to do 10 years, 12 years.
	He did 520.
	Yes, but Kar Wash started to investigate the judiciary at that time.
	And then the judiciary made something very interesting.
	Rob, pull up Operation Karwash.
	Keep going, please.
	They made a very, very interesting thing.
	They decided, well, there's a provision in the Supreme Court bylaws, internal bylaws, saying that if a crime occurs within the premises of the court, we can open an investigation ourselves.
	It's a court opening investigation.
	So the U.S. Supreme Court has the same structure.
	Yes.
	So they can open investigation.
	That was thought to investigate internal crime.
	Someone stole something.
	In the U.S., for example, they opened this to investigate who leaked the Roe v. Wade overturn.
	But in Brazil, they said, well, if people are saying stuff against us on the internet, well, the internet's kind of everywhere.
	So it's within the premises of the court.
	So we're going to open an investigation about people trying to slander the Supreme Court.
	And then they started censoring articles, including an article from a magazine, that pointed out that one of the Supreme Court justices was involved in corruption with one big construction company in Brazil.
	And they censored that.
	And that was the beginning of what they called the fake news probe.
	That's the same probe that was open in 2019.
	That's the birth of it.
	And it's still open now.
	We're all being investigated by it for years.
	For years.
	Elon Musk is being investigated by this probe.
	He is.
	Michael Schellenberger is being investigated there.
	Everyone.
	And they issued measures against, they sent people to prison, but it's only a probe.
	It's not a case yet.
	No one has been charged for five years.
	But they have had their houses raided, passports confiscated.
	It's interesting to point out that on the same time, and that's interesting for U.S. Richard Tommy, Elon Musk will be investigated over fake news and obstruction in Brazil after a Supreme Court order.
	What's the date on this, Rob?
	This is probably a month ago.
	Yeah, two weeks ago.
	Okay.
	So you're saying this, April.
	Okay, this is a month ago.
	Okay.
	While you're saying this, This Alessandre, he's still, is he the puppet master behind closed doors or not yet?
	Well, he became the most powerful man in Brazil by far.
	Because this is an interesting investigation.
	What's interesting for U.S. viewers as well is that at the same time, the United States, mostly the left and the deep state, were discussing, well, how do we deal with the internet problem that Nicholas was talking about?
	Well, Trump got elected through the internet, and Bolsonaro got elected through the internet.
	And then you had them, several congressmen, the Republican Party changed dramatically because of the internet.
	You had Brexit and you had Hungary and you have all the changes, all these changes around the world.
	So it was like the establishment started to see what could they do to change it.
	So that's when you see right now, if you read the censorship industrial complex report from the House Judiciary Committee, you see that the Biden administration was discussing with the social media companies how to censor and moderate some type of opinions.
	Extremists.
	And they sent, this is public record, it's not a conspiracy theory.
	I'm not one of these guys, but they sent FBI officials and Department of Justice officials to have meetings in Brazil with the TSC trying to explain to them how to quote-unquote combat this information.
	That was kind of 2019.
	And this is public records.
	This is in 2019, pre-Biden becoming president.
	Yes.
	The establishment fighting.
	The deep state, the deep state, they, well, we all know how much Trump suffered from the FBI while he was president.
	So deep state, it's why they're there, right?
	It doesn't matter who wins, they're there anyways.
	Is he now the most powerful man in Brazil?
	Oh, by far.
	By far.
	Feared.
	Because he can do whatever he wants.
	And I'll ask you, you're going to appeal for who?
	There is no one higher than the Supreme Court.
	If they decided something, everybody's looking.
	Okay, this is not in favor of the Constitution.
	He is like not caring.
	It doesn't matter what the law is saying.
	He does whatever he wants.
	But okay, this is illegal.
	What can you do?
	This is the problem.
	That's why we are here.
	I'm not happy here debating about internet issues of Brazil, but at least we are alerting our friends here in the U.S. and preventing them to not let this virus, this Brazilian virus, come to here.
	But this is the hard question.
	How can we fight back against someone that is doing that in the Supreme Court?
	For example, in the election, in the presidential elections, his dad, Bolsonaro, couldn't do lives on his own home government.
	Official residence.
	Yeah, official residence.
	That happened to Trump as well.
	Yeah, they did this to Trump.
	For example, in the election, I made a video saying that Lula, for example, he would legalize abortion, he would legalize the drugs.
	And I got a fine, like about $10,000 because I did that.
	And now we have two women ministers, Lula put in the charge, and they support abortion.
	The Supreme Court started to vote abortion and also drugs.
	So I was right.
	And I got fined for that.
	So who I'm going to appeal for that?
	So, okay, so let's stay on Alejandro de Moraz.
	And I know you guys don't want to stay on it because you're trying to go back to Brazil and he's not trying to go back to Brazil.
	But here's the point.
	Well, I wanted to.
	Yeah, he was.
	I think I understand what you're trying to get.
	How did Alejandro Moraes get all this power?
	Who gave it?
	Who gave that power to him, right?
	Right.
	So one is who gave it to him?
	And who?
	What happened behind closed doors?
	Is there some, because sometimes we see somebody and then you're like, oh, that's the most powerful man in Brazil.
	And it's really these other two people nobody knows about and they're behind closed doors.
	Is he the puppet master or is there another puppet master behind Alessandro de Mora?
	He is the goon chosen to be the front man to all the absurdities and the injustice that's happening in Brazil.
	By who?
	Well, let's get there.
	Paul can talk about it by other seniors.
	Including the Biden administration.
	Even there are international forces that are influencing what's happening in Brazil.
	Such as what countries?
	We have Soros.
	Well, mainly the U.S. international community, all the people that go to Davos and the World Economic Forum.
	So for example, the Supreme Court was president, our Supreme Court justices, not Moraes, but the president of the court, the Chief Justice, which Bajoso, he was in Davos this year.
	And look, it's definitely a global community of a global elite that supports him.
	But the most support comes from the United States.
	Let me give you a concrete example.
	Pull up a Financial Times article from 2023.
	It's called The Discrete Campaign, the U.S. Discrete Campaign to Defend Brazilian Elections, if I'm not mistaken.
	Democracy, democracy, or something like that.
	Okay, it's a Financial Times article.
	So not a conspiracy theory.
	What they say in this article is that U.S. top officials, U.S. top officials, I'm talking about the CIA director, the Secretary of Defense, the Chief Commander of the Southern Command, the Chief General, Jake Sullivan, National Security Advisor.
	All of them went to Brazil to threaten public officials, military leaders, and politicians to not challenge Moraes.
	Because we were discussing election integrity back then.
	And every single one of them said, look, if you challenge Moraes, who was the president of the Superior Electoral Court in Brazil, if you challenge him, you will face the mighty power of the United States foreign policy.
	Well, the army, the military, we will stop cooperation with the Brazilian military.
	You guys are going to suffer with embargoes and all sorts of sanctions.
	You will be left out of the international community.
	We'll do with you what we did to Russia.
	And that was one of the reasons why the institutions in Brazil didn't work.
	Okay, so here's an article.
	Yeah.
	FBI Soros on Secret Police and Vast Censorship Conspiracy in Brazil.
	That's by David Agapi, a very good investigative journalist.
	He works with Michael Schellenberger.
	He's like his partner in Brazil.
	Can I read this?
	He was just putting investigation to deal with it.
	He was?
	Let me read this.
	Constant Vanski, go a little lower up so I can read it from right there.
	The first two paragraphs.
	The U.S. government's Federal Bureau of Investigation, Soros, and the Supreme Court of Brazil claim to be defenders of free speech and democracy.
	The mission of the FBI is to uphold the U.S. Constitution, whose First Amendment prohibits government limits on freedom of speech.
	Soros and his son Alex, who runs this Venetrampic Foundation, claims to want open societies where people are free to express their views.
	And the Supreme Court of Brazil claims to uphold the Brazilian Constitution commitment to freedom of expression.
	But now a months-long investigation reveals that the FBI has helped Brazil censor its citizens.
	The Soros Open Society Foundation is spending heavily to promote censorship in Brazil.
	And Brazil has a secret judicial police force that exists specifically to spy upon and censor people deemed to be spreading false information.
	Together, the FBI Soros and the Supreme Court of Brazil are engaged in a direct result of free speech protection of both the Brazilian and U.S. Constitution.
	Okay, there's your answer.
	So they're getting a, but let me ask another question.
	You know, sometimes when somebody flips and you look at this person like, this guy's reasonable.
	He's good.
	He doesn't see something like a weird guy, and all of a sudden, boom.
	And you realize somebody had something on it behind closed doors.
	The story about the fact that he was linked to the plane crash with the Supreme Court, you know, the whole justice theory.
	And I'm like, yeah, I don't know if there's a story, was there anything that happened that was it behind it?
	Maybe, maybe not.
	Some people say 80% bogus.
	There's no way there's credibility behind it.
	And then you hear about the stories with him being linked to the, what do you call it?
	The primero commando de capital gang headquarters in Sao Paulo started falsely online when he was city secretary of public security.
	Was he linked to the gang?
	Was there people that he was supporting?
	Was there some of that going on with Alessandro?
	If they say anything about it, they will immediately go to prison when they arrive in Brazil.
	I'll be muted here.
	I'll be bold enough to do it.
	I'm going to be in silence.
	So he worked.
	So here's the PCC.
	So there's some credibility here.
	Well, I'll tell you exactly the facts.
	I'll just lay down the facts and you make your own conclusions.
	So the PCC is the largest drug cartel in Brazil.
	Well, some can argue one of the largest drug cartels in Brazil.
	No, it's the number one.
	Yeah, definitely the number one.
	The delivery system for all the drugs that are produced in Latin America goes through PCC.
	All the cocaine that comes to the United States goes through PCC.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Absolutely.
	So if it's coming from Colombia, it goes to PCC in Brazil first, then it comes up here.
	Yes.
	Ships all over the world.
	They're the distributors.
	Okay.
	So PCC was being investigated in Brazil, and they found connections between them and the Workers' Party.
	I'm not going to get into that because that's not necessarily important for this discussion.
	But PCC was laundering money, possibly.
	But one way that they thought they were laundering money was through like a union of drivers from vans.
	In Brazil, it was very popular.
	People used to use vans for public transportation.
	And there was a union of these vans, van drivers.
	It was called TransCop.
	And he was the attorney, the defense attorney for one of these unions.
	And that's the only connection that we actually have.
	So I don't usually if you work for an institution that's related to the drug cartels, that's not a good sign.
	But that's not definitive to say he's linked to PCC.
	Was he a lawyer that maybe represented some former criminals before?
	Because sometimes lawyers, I know lawyers that I've talked to who represented Weinstein.
	We had a lawyer the other day on the podcast.
	It was Diddy's lawyer before Rob.
	Who else's lawyer he was, if you remember?
	Harvey Weinstein's attorney as well at one point.
	Several high-profile clients.
	Right.
	So he was a lawyer like that.
	And by the way, is there any connection with him and Marcolo Camacho?
	Is there any relationship between the two?
	With him, Playboy Russo.
	Is there anything there?
	We don't know.
	No.
	So he's saying he's facing 232 years in jail.
	Okay.
	Marcolo Camacho.
	Is he in jail right now?
	Yeah, he is.
	He is.
	He is.
	And is he the Pablo Escobar of the PCC?
	A lot of people say that he is.
	He is.
	It's a fair assessment.
	And there's no link between the two relationships at all.
	We can say there is.
	But I can add something.
	During my father's administration, Marcuala was transferred to other jail in the middle of the jungle.
	Let me say that.
	I think he went to Porto Valo in Rondoña.
	And when Lula got back again, so now we have Lula as president.
	I don't know how, I don't know in what terms, but this guy came back again to Brasilia.
	To the capital.
	Yes, I'm talking about the fact.
	I'm talking about the fact.
	I don't have anything that I can say, oh, this guy, he made a kind of agreement with the new president.
	I cannot say that, but it's very strange why they should go back again with one of the head of the number one criminal organization back to Brasilia.
	But there are definitely connections between the left and the drug cartels.
	I mean, for example, Lula is part of an organization called the Foro de Sao Paulo, okay?
	This is basically a union from all the left parties in Latin America.
	One of the founding members of the Foro de Sao Paulo is the FARC, the revolutionary armed forces of Colombia, who control all the drugs in Colombia until they became a leftist party.
	But they're founding members.
	The connections between the left and drug cartels in Brazil are absolutely insane.
	And here's the thing.
	In 2022, we could not report that.
	We used to get court orders from Morais.
	I was on TV, on primetime TV, cable news TV.
	I wanted to report the connections that Lula had with the drug cartels, and I couldn't buy court orders off Moraes.
	And all of them turned out to be accurate.
	There was actually an interception of a phone call between this guy, Marcola, and some other leader of PCC in which he clearly states that he supports and he endorses Lula and he would like Lula to win another leader of PCC.
	This guy was 2022.
	This was now.
	While he's in jail.
	While he's in jail.
	Who intercepted it?
	Who intercepted it?
	The police.
	The federal police.
	So why, why, 2022, who's president, Bolsonaro or Bolsonaro?
	Got it.
	They had like dialogues.
	The audio says that they had dialogues.
	They could have debate with them.
	They could negotiate with them.
	And not with Bolsonaro.
	And Bolsonaro, they couldn't negotiate.
	He said, because with Lula, our lives will be much easier.
	will be much better for us yes and ever ever since lula got back and everybody's heard that every No, that's the thing.
	It's an investigation from the police that went public.
	I posted it on my social media.
	Moraes took it down.
	Moraes took it down.
	Took it down.
	On which platform?
	I think it was Instagram.
	I cannot put an audio that's public recorded from the police because it was fake news.
	What percentage of Brazil will have access to this interview right now on YouTube in Brazil?
	What percentage?
	I don't know, maybe 10, 15%.
	10, 15%.
	Well, all of them will have access.
	We will, of course, we will post on our social media and that will get much bigger now.
	Nicolas Poron's social media in the word.
	But that's the thing.
	I'm afraid to get these parts that I'm saying to you right now.
	If I post on my social media, then I can have my house raided by federal police.
	I totally get it.
	So for, but where I'm going with this is what percentage of, like today, I posted a tweet and the question I put on there was, what do you think about Alessandra from Brazil?
	Is he the most powerful man in Brazil?
	And it is the least liked, commented post I've had in a year, okay, that I posted with this.
	I don't know whether it's because my audience could care less about Brazil or maybe it's because the audience is sitting there and certain people who are interested in this don't see it, right?
	Then I went on your platform and I noticed, no, when you guys tweet, you guys get a lot of traffic.
	You got a lot of traffic.
	So it means people from Brazil are seeing your stuff.
	Maybe my audience is not interested right now in what's going on with Brazil because I'm not Brazilian.
	I'm not talking about it.
	I retweeted it.
	Yeah.
	I'm going to know.
	Please guys repost it.
	I'm going to retweet it right now.
	So what I want to know is, what I want to know is, I want to know if he is who he is, then you're telling the story of whatever Camacho, whatever his from Marcolo, I think, right?
	Marcolo Camacho makes the phone call, Marcola Camacho.
	Okay.
	And then did Marcola Comacho, who's in jail at the time, is Lula also in jail at the time in 2022?
	Is Lula and Jill in the United States?
	No, no, no, he was running for president.
	Was he and Lula ever in jail together?
	Were they ever at the same jail?
	No.
	No, not at the same jail.
	They've never been at the same, and that's proven people know that.
	It's two separate jails.
	Lula was included.
	Chula was in Colichiebo, yeah.
	And Lula was not in actual prison.
	He was like federal police.
	Has Lula or Marcola in the past ever had a relationship together?
	Is there any other?
	They are too smart to do that.
	Everything happens behind closed doors.
	But you got to remember.
	Lula's been a great community organizer, speaker, rallying.
	He's going up.
	He's a great speaker, energized.
	He knows how to get people to say it's not fair what they're doing to you.
	He's like an AOC, right?
	He used to be.
	Nowadays, he has no more audience.
	What's something, another weird thing that's happening?
	But now he's giving money to them, socialism.
	So now he's getting people to be like, hey, this guy's a nice guy.
	He's giving us money.
	If you can pull up the statista number on the kind of money being spent by the government, look at the rise here.
	Zoom in a little bit.
	This is from 2007 to 2029.
	Look at the number there on the bottom.
	So it's gradually climbing.
	Nothing insane.
	2021, 2022.
	Lula goes in.
	Look at the spending the next year.
	Boom, boom.
	Skyrocketing.
	They go up from $700 billion.
	They go up $160 billion in spending the next year, $120.
	Within two years, he goes from $730 billion budget to billion dollars.
	You're talking about an increase of $300 and whatever, $260 billion that they increased.
	What do you do with that?
	I'll give you this.
	I'll give you that.
	More entitlement programs.
	So you win the votes.
	This is kind of like Biden right now is trying to give money to all these colleges and forgiving.
	It's an effective strategy.
	But then lead me to this one.
	Can you pull up the one when the inauguration of Lula, right?
	He's winning.
	And this man here walks by.
	You guys obviously know who he is.
	I had to look up to see who he is.
	I know.
	Yeah, if you don't want to say the name, I can say the name.
	Benedicto Gon Calves, right?
	Now, at the time, who is Benedito?
	Is he a powerful man?
	He was a judge from electoral court.
	He was one of the most important, because Brazil has a very weird structure.
	All elections in Brazil were electronic, fully electronic.
	We talked about this, and centralized by one court, which is the Superior Electoral Court.
	He runs it.
	He is at the same time a justice of the Supreme Court.
	And until next month, he's also, and he has been for the past two years, the president, which is like Chief Justice of the Superior Electoral Court.
	At the same time.
	This guy is Moraes.
	Moraes.
	That's Moraes.
	Benedito is like his right-hand, the second most important guy.
	He's the cohejedor on the Superior Electoral Court.
	Okay, play this clip.
	So this is inauguration.
	It's announced Lula is winning.
	The man right in the middle sitting, that's sitting right above the emblem.
	You see a bald man right there?
	That's Moraes, right?
	In the middle.
	Watch the man Benedito is going to walk from the left.
	He's coming to the right.
	Play this clip, Rap.
	The black set one.
	He taps the shoulder, whispers something in the ear.
	Yeah.
	Can you play it one more time?
	Listen closely.
	I asked some of the friends here that speak the language.
	He says, mission accomplished.
	Mission given, mission accomplished.
	Mission given, mission accomplished.
	And he's saying it to Moraes.
	Yes.
	Let me ask you, is he telling Moraes that you gave me the mission, I helped you accomplish the mission, or is it the other way around?
	That Benedicto said, we gave the mission, we accomplished it together.
	What he's saying is you gave me a mission and I delivered for you.
	So his loyalty is to Moraes.
	We don't know.
	We don't.
	That's a question I'm asking.
	We can't say.
	We can't say that.
	Mission given, mission accomplished.
	Who gave the mission?
	It looks like he's talking to Moraes and Moraes gave the mission, but maybe they're celebrating together that they accomplished the mission they received.
	Patrick, one thing is they never came out to explain this phrase.
	This is the thing.
	They never came.
	Oh, we were saying that.
	We were saying that.
	We are clarifying for everyone.
	They never said that.
	So there's another justice from the Supreme Court that once said, and it was caught on camera, saying elections are not won.
	The elections are taken.
	And it's recorded.
	But if I wasn't here, that's the current chief justice of Brazilian Supreme Court.
	The same guy that said, we went to a student union meeting.
	You really want to go to Brazil.
	It's obvious.
	Go ahead.
	Yes.
	He went to a student union meeting, a political meeting, like rally, and he said, we defeated Bolsonarism.
	We, like, who's we?
	You're a Supreme Court justice?
	You defeated Bolsonaro?
	How can you say that and nothing happens to you?
	Who could pull up the chief of staff guy?
	You're talking about the chief justice.
	Luis Bajosu.
	B-A-R-O-R-R-O-S-O.
	You see, Patrick, what happens is that the establishment lost the control of the opinion from the population.
	And now they are using its last resource, which is the Supreme Court.
	See, now they are using, they are running our country under a Supreme Court.
	There is the majority of the justice were chosen by the left, by Workers' Party, by Lula.
	And now they gave Moraes all this power for him to be the front man and take Bolsonaro down and take the right wing and conservatives down from politics.
	The problem is, and this is what I think everyone is realizing now.
	Morais got so much power.
	Now he's drunk by it.
	And they realize they created this monster that they can't control anymore.
	He has broken the leash and now he's deciding to do whatever he wants.
	And since that started happening, even the legacy media that supported his actions are now going back and saying, wait, wait, wait.
	Now, I think we're having a Frankenstein event here.
	We created a monster.
	Now we can't control him.
	Now he's going after us.
	He's going after everyone.
	That's what happens when you give too much power to someone.
	And now we are in the situation that Moraes is seen not only in Brazil, but outside Brazil as a dictatorship.
	And I believe strongly that Brazil is no longer a democracy.
	We are living under the corner.
	And that's why now Lula, he put like two friends in the Supreme Court.
	One is a friend of him for like, I don't know, 20, 30 years long.
	It's called Flavio Gino.
	He's a friend of Lula and he is a communist.
	And the other one is Zanin, who was his personal lawyer.
	So Lula, he indicated the appointed his personal lawyer to the Supreme Court and his best friend to the Supreme Court as well.
	So we see this as a balance for the power of Alexander Hesna.
	And all the drug dealers and cartel leaders and criminals are being freed.
	We're seeing not only freedom, returning everything they seized, helicopters, money.
	His former lawyers, yes.
	He does Supreme Court justice.
	Yes.
	He went to the guy who censored us.
	Because of this guy, he was his lawyer during the campaign.
	Yes.
	He was the one asking Moraes to censor us.
	And Moraes accepted censoring us because of his demands.
	So can you go back to that other guy?
	Can you go back to Luis Roberto Barroso?
	So Barroso, right, there's no Rob Sopkaso.
	So if you look at the right there, school he went to, but also graduating law from University of Janeiro, a master's degree from Yale University, PhD, postdoctoral Harvard Law School.
	So I am so curious who he went to school with in the States in America.
	He's considered a liberal and progressive justice providing landmark votes on the legalization of abortion and pregnancies originating from rape.
	He's the most ideological justice of the court.
	In criminalization of homophobia and transphobia in Brazil?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	He says that if the Congress do not approve a bill talking about that, so from now one, everything that we consider, for example, homophobic, it will receive the same punishment for racism.
	So he says we have a lack here in the law and the Congress is not working, he says.
	But I say that the Congress do not want to approve that because no one is going to vote for abortion and they know that they do not have the majority inside of the Congress.
	So that's why they are doing that through the Supreme Court, just like what happened in Colombia.
	In Colombia, now you have legal abortion that came through the hands of the justice of the Supreme Court.
	But if I can add something very important about Luis Roberto Bajoso, before Le Senjimorais, this was the president of the Superior Electoral Court.
	And when we were inside of the Congress trying to approve what we call the printed vote bill, which would bring more the possibility to recount the votes, more transparency in our electoral process, He went to the Congress and talked with 11 presidents of political parties and changed their minds so we...
	You're being nice.
	According to a few members of Congress that I talked to, and I can say that.
	They say they were threatened by him.
	They judge.
	The Supreme Court judges.
	Yeah, they're under the Supreme Court.
	So if they commit a crime, they're going to be tried in the Supreme Court by the Supreme Court.
	And several members of the Brazilian Congress have been charged for corruption.
	They have case spending on the Supreme Court.
	According to several reports that I received and credible reports, he threatened congressmen and leaders of political parties saying, if you approve this bill that will create a print receipt for our electoral machines, you suffer the consequences in the court.
	And that happened many times with many other bills.
	Yes.
	This year, that happened again.
	And he openly lobbied.
	That's a fact.
	But I have credible reports that he threatened members of Congress.
	So I don't have anything to back that, but I have the sources.
	Okay, so voting.
	Let's go back to what you said.
	What do they define as racism in Brazil?
	Anything they don't like.
	Give me an example of somebody getting arrested for racism.
	Like somebody who got arrested for racism.
	What do they do?
	I don't recall any case.
	But it's the same as the U.S. left.
	For example, I was testifying in Congress yesterday or the day before.
	And I mentioned that George Soros was behind, as we saw, what was happening in Brazil in a certain way.
	And then the ranking member of the committee, a Democrat, she said, well, that's anti-Semitic of you.
	I was like, what?
	That's what?
	Anti-Semitic.
	That's anti-Semitic of you to go up against Soros?
	Yes, because it's on the recording.
	14-year-old man helped a Nazi kill Jews and later on was asked about it in an interview in 60 minutes, I believe.
	And he's like, yeah, it didn't do anything to me emotionally.
	I'm okay.
	Didn't bother me.
	It didn't hurt me.
	I've never been called anti-Semitic.
	I met actually more scientists.
	I have a case that I just remembered of racism.
	That's the science.
	I can be arrested for racism because during a podcast, we were talking about dictatorship.
	And I study a lot about education.
	I was saying that every time a country goes under a dictatorship, usually the IQ goes down after some generations because there's a collapse in education and they do not let access to information.
	So every dictatorship is associated somehow, 99% going down with the IQ after some generations.
	And as I was talking with the guy, the host in the podcast, we were talking about countries that are dictatorships that had the KIQ going down.
	I talked about Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea.
	And then he said, well, or I said actually, 60 or 50, 56% of all dictatorships in the world are in Africa.
	So we were talking about dictatorships and how it destroys the IQ of that population after some period of time.
	Are in Africa.
	Because I've said that, because I've said that in Africa, and when with less IQ, people are more less able to run a democracy.
	I am charged by the Supreme Court now for racism.
	I can lose my office, my seat, and I can go to prison.
	There was no mention about any race whatsoever during the conversation, but because I gave a statistic information, I can go to prison.
	Yeah, your dad?
	Prétaju.
	The case of Petaju.
	Yes, my father was also accused of that.
	Of racism.
	So your dad now is in Brazil.
	Yes.
	Can he leave?
	No.
	Why can't he leave?
	Because Alicia Moraes took his passport.
	And he took his.
	Is this because of the jet ski situation, or is this because of it's so crazy?
	When I hear someone talk about this investigation for your audience, please.
	First, I ask, imagine what would happen if my family, if someone from my family stole one dollar from the Brazilian taxpayer, what would happen?
	S, we are not corrupt.
	S, they have investigation, they are doing investigation against my family for years and they do not find nothing to accuse us.
	They go for that.
	So my father was riding a jet ski.
	This is on the coast of the Sao Paulo state.
	And he claimed he passed by a whale, I don't know, 15 meters, 10 meters from a whale.
	That's him.
	I think so.
	I think so.
	But this in Brazil is a crime that by the law you can go from two until five years in jail if you disturb the whale.
	But no one applies this crime because you have a tourist, you know, private boats get the tourists on the beach and go there to the tourists to watch the whales.
	Then Bolsonaro was doing pretty much the same thing.
	He was watching a whale and then he was charged.
	He was under investigation.
	And one very important thing that we have to highlight is who made it denounce?
	It is the Virumento Minister of Lula da Silva.
	Her name is Marina Silva.
	And she tried first, the first D, I think the first DA that took the case said, okay, we do not have a crime here.
	Then she appealed for a second DA and the second DA started an investigation and the federal police.
	He ordered the federal police to start an investigation about this thing.
	So this was the crime.
	And the case was closed, right?
	Yeah, the case now is closed.
	But you have a lot of highlights.
	Three years, like two years of bullying him and narratives.
	Character assassination.
	Now the case.
	Does he have a gag order on him right now?
	Guy order officer can't speak.
	He can't speak.
	He can't speak.
	He can't.
	No, he can't.
	He's allowed.
	He can go to.
	But he's afraid to.
	No, the country has a gag order on it.
	Oh, there was a poll now.
	61% of the Brazilian population.
	This is yesterday, right, Paul?
	There's a poll.
	61% of the population are afraid to state their opinions online.
	61% of the whole population.
	Right.
	Anything they believe.
	I mean, 47%, that's two months ago.
	So probably now is more than 60%.
	47% believe they are living under a dictatorship of the judiciary.
	Yeah, for example, I can be in jail because I put like a wig in my head and I said that women are losing space for men that think that they are women.
	He actually did that.
	Yeah, and I can be on jail for that.
	Like really, I can be in jail.
	So if a deputy that has immunity to speak can be in jail for that, what a common citizen, what can happen?
	Yeah, what can happen to them?
	Okay, so Argentina.
	I go to Argentina a few years ago.
	I was expecting to fall in love.
	I was disappointed.
	It wasn't that big of a deal for me.
	I've been all over the world.
	Everybody would say Argentina is the Paris of South, Central America.
	You know, you're going to go to Argentina's this.
	Argentina's, I'm like, okay, cool.
	We go.
	They're like, okay.
	Socialism.
	I kept talking to everybody.
	You know, 40%, whatever the number was, 40% of people work to pay the other people's bills.
	It's really this.
	All this stuff, taxes are this.
	Inflation is this.
	They keep telling me all this.
	I'm like, okay, how does a beautiful place like this go?
	Then we went to all the different spots.
	We went sailing.
	We did everything.
	We wanted to kind of get the experience.
	Yeah, we went to the cemetery with who's the famous girl that Selma Hayek played.
	What's her name?
	Evita.
	Evita Perona.
	Right, right.
	Evita Peron.
	He colonized Cry for Me Argentina.
	The truth is I never left.
	She did a better job than me, obviously.
	But so I went.
	Rob, why are you laughing, Rob?
	I'm just telling a story here.
	So anyways, we leave.
	Then a year ago, year and a half ago, we're all watching this man that looks like an Argentinian Elvis Presley.
	Big sideburns, screaming, fighting.
	Chainsaw.
	Afuera!
	Afuera!
	Chainsaw!
	Kissing girls, doing all this stuff, right?
	You know, and he throws the thing, the paper, these guys are out, they're out, afuera, everyone.
	And a libertarian candidate wins in Argentina and goes to World Economic Forum that Klaus Schwab brings him up and for 20 minutes very slowly and calmly sells capitalism in front of their faces, right?
	And that thing goes viral all over the world, right?
	Javier Millay.
	How did he pull it off?
	And how do you compare this case study of the modern day Javier Millé type of a person, your father, any one of you, in Brazil?
	How was he able to pull it off in a socialistic country that sounds like Brazil is going through right now?
	I think one of the things is the environment was so miserable in Argentina.
	People were desperate trying to find their way out.
	That happens every time socialism go into power in a country.
	They destroy the economy.
	They destroy the quality of life of the population.
	Then when whatever option appears and appears to be possible, everybody jumps into that boat.
	So that happened with Javier Millet.
	That happened with Bolsonaro here.
	And that happens because of internet.
	It might happen in California.
	Well, I don't know, but if California keeps going that way, the way it's going, in 10 years, they'll say, well, enough with the Democrats.
	They're ruining the— They're almost there.
	Yeah.
	They're almost there.
	But like almost half of the people, they were poor in Argentina.
	The inflation was around below the poverty line.
	Yeah, below the poverty line.
	And the inflation was about 100%.
	And they did try all the flavors of left in the past.
	So Millet was rising up as someone that, oh, okay, this guy, he has a different speech.
	And he is a professor.
	He started economy.
	And he really represents the outsider soul.
	So that's why he got elected.
	And one thing that make him got elected also is because the Argentinas, they use papers to vote.
	Their system to vote is not like we have in Brazil because Brazil is fully electronic.
	And in Argentina, they use paper ballots.
	So this is also something that made the difference and, by the way, he's doing a great job, great job.
	Wait, they didn't have Moraes.
	Yeah, they don't.
	They don't have a problem like our court.
	Okay, so let's, let's look at that.
	So Argentina paper and you think that was a favor for him, that Argentinas ran on paper election paper ballot?
	Because because in Brazil this is how you do it, you go to the, the election poll place, you just type the number in a machine.
	This machine sends the number to the computer of the Superior Electoral Court and then you pray that your vote will be counted correctly by a court that was presided by Moraes.
	An open enemy of this is like no exaggeration.
	There's no way to audit and there were a ton of reports, including a report from the military, from the secret, from the Ministry OF Defense, saying that the system they couldn't tell, they couldn't attest that the system was safe and they, they couldn't do their job inspecting the machines.
	So i'm not saying the election was stolen, but I can say it was not and I don't trust so in 82 percent that's an actual poll 82 percent of Bolsonaro's voters don't trust the system in Brazil.
	I'm talking about 37 percent of Brazilians and that there are millions of people and Patrick when, when we say about the system of of of Brazil, like the to vote uh we, we can't say about that, like for in in the elections, my father cannot run because of that.
	Yes, they can't.
	You, you shouldn't say what I just said.
	Yes I, I won't say.
	But, for example my uh, my accounts, my social media, they were blocked after the, the presidential elections and I think that it's because I shared um, a guy who was saying that was there was something wrong with our elections, and just because of that my, all my accounts on X, on Instagram, on Facebook, they were blocked and until now I don't know why.
	I don't have a sex to the.
	I don't have access to the process, my lawyer doesn't have access to the process.
	So that's the level of what we are facing, you know.
	So can you pull up the inflation chart you just showed Rob, in Brazil and Argentina?
	So you just had it a minute ago.
	Literally, you had it a minute ago.
	Or, if you go back yeah, right there, so Argentina, inflation beats 200% in 2023.
	So what you're saying is, things got so.
	So that's from 2018 to 2019 2020, 2021.
	It drops like today 35 38, then goes up 2022, and then all the way up to 203 to 211 percent, and then Millet wins.
	Okay, all right, no problem.
	So now go to inflation in Brazil.
	I'm curious, you know what inflation looks like in Brazil right now?
	We did great during my father's administration.
	It was the first time that Brazil we had the less inflation than the United States, for example and, interesting change, just two years.
	We need, we need more like I need, I need more than 2019.
	But okay, so under your father went all the way down to right there we can kind of see go back to that.
	So 2020.
	So this is inflation broke 10 in September pandemic.
	I think there is a better one down there.
	It's a red one.
	It's important to know that the current sitting uh, president of the Brazilian Central BANK no no, it's 95.
	The Brazilian Central BANK uh, which our FED is the president, is still the guy that was appointed by Bolsonaro.
	So they, they didn't have a chance to mess up with the monetary policy yet.
	That that's a good one.
	In 2016 yeah, it was like Diuma Rousseff that got in.
	Uh, in pitch, uh in the like.
	Can you see?
	It's like the same as level as we are facing now.
	Yeah, and in the middle, guess what?
	Bolsonaro, like two.
	What years was he in?
	Oh, that's Michelle Years.
	That is low, that the Michelle Tamer from 2017 until 2020.
	And then, and then we got Covid uh, And then pandemic.
	Yep.
	Got it.
	And pandemic, it's everywhere that it went up.
	It's not like it's Brazil only.
	But Brazil bounced back from the pandemic better than any other country in the world.
	We actually had our GDP.
	GDP.
	Higher than China.
	And for the first time in my life, Brazil has had an actual lower inflation than the U.S. in my life.
	That never happened.
	So it's not, but go to 2024 inflation, Rob.
	Just go to 2024 Brazil inflation.
	It's not out of control.
	That's what I want to know.
	So it's not that painful right now in Brazil.
	Because it's just a year and a half that Lula took office.
	And the guy who is in the central bank is the guy that Bolsonaro chose.
	He's going to change now in the middle of this year, I think June, right?
	Because the president chooses the director of the Federal Chairman of the Fed.
	And stays two years in one office and two years in the next office.
	So now he's going to be out.
	And I think that we are going to face a higher inflation when changes the position of him.
	But if you want numbers, for example, 40% of international investment has got out of Brazil.
	It's just getting out of Brazil.
	People are not seeing Brazil as a good place to invest anymore.
	So we have that.
	Now, unemployment is going up after years.
	Since 2021, unemployment was going down with Bolsonaro.
	And now for three months in a row, unemployment is going up.
	Now, the inflation with food is twice the normal standard.
	So the inflation is 5%.
	Food has been going up 10%.
	Rice has never been as expensive as it is now.
	Beans, oil, olive oil.
	So the people that are, the poor people are actually suffering a lot.
	And there is a, how do you say, humble?
	When the government spends more than they collect.
	Well, the deficit.
	The deficit.
	We are having record deficits now.
	Last year was 200.
	Well, Bula increased the public debt in more than a trillion highs in less than a year.
	In less than a year.
	And now he's putting taxes on everything.
	That's raising taxes.
	And he just passed a bill that Brazil after this moment is the higher tax payment, tax pay taxes in the world, which is 28%.
	For example, he doesn't have any responsibility with financial of the country.
	For example, he spends like 3.3 billion rios.
	I think it's like, I don't know how much this in dollars, but only with expanding for his travels.
	Like he spends money when the countries like need monies for a lot of things.
	He bought new furniture for his palace, a new room.
	For his wife, for his wife.
	He's a standard socialist, right?
	All the riches for him and misery for the rest.
	Rob, do me a favor.
	Go pull up the richest billionaires in Brazil.
	Go to the richest billionaires in Brazil.
	Richest billionaires in Brazil.
	On Wikipedia, you'll see the list.
	If you just pull out whatever list you got right there, well, you need more than three.
	I want to know who the richest is.
	But the second one is important one.
	Zoom in a little bit, Rob, if these are the names.
	Okay.
	So Feverin is from Mera, the guy from Facebook.
	He used to be a co-founder.
	But it's people that live in Brazil, Brazilians.
	I want to know richest billionaires in Brazil.
	Billionaires who live in Brazil.
	I want to know who they are, if you can pull them up.
	Okay, so I got a lot of money.
	The first one is our George Soros.
	Yeah.
	Okay, zoom in.
	So George Paulo Lehman, who is he?
	Our George Soros.
	He has the foundation.
	He's buying the whole educational system in Brazil.
	He interferes directly with all the Ministry of Education.
	And he funds a big part of the leftists.
	NGOs.
	Support all the NGOs in Brazil from the left.
	Congress.
	Very progressive.
	He supported and financed education in Harvard, I believe.
	Yeah.
	Of a congresswoman in Brazil.
	He's our people calling our souls.
	Brazilian Soros.
	Who is number three?
	Marcel.
	Rob, if you can go to number three.
	Who is Marcel Herman Teles?
	Who is this?
	His business partner.
	His business partner.
	So they're on the same page.
	Yes.
	We know who Eduardo is.
	He's Facebook.
	Who is Jorge Molafino or Fijo?
	He's the owner of the hospital.
	He's respected.
	Yeah, he's all right.
	He's good.
	Okay, go to the next one.
	Next one is Carlos Alberto C. Cupira.
	Also, also part of the same thing.
	Anheuser-Busch.
	Yeah, the same thing.
	Also, partner.
	So Safra siblings, Safra Group is at Moore Bank.
	That's a bank.
	Who are they?
	Anything or they're low-key billionaires?
	Nobody knows them.
	Nobody knows much.
	How about the Jewish community?
	Jewish community?
	Okay.
	They're all right.
	How about Alex Barring?
	That partner of the same two guys.
	Anheuser-Busch?
	Yeah.
	Well, it's 3G Capital.
	They own Anheuser-Busch and several other companies.
	That one now, it's like Luis Elena Trajano, like under the one down.
	One more don't.
	Yeah, that's like Lula's biggest supporter.
	She is.
	Yes, she is.
	And now she's about to go bankrupt.
	Yes, they got to do it.
	Why?
	She helped elect him, and now after he was elected, her shares went down like 90 or 80 percent.
	But here's where I'm going with this, why I'm showing you this.
	The reason why I'm asking you this question is sometimes when you're running into wanting to run for office, become a president, right?
	Even Biden, I'm going to tax the billionaires.
	He can't.
	He can't.
	You know why he can't?
	Because they're giving him the money.
	So if they're funding him, like if you remember that one thing, Rob, if you can pull up the clip with Trump and Hillary Clinton, where he says Trump avoided paying this much taxes.
	I don't know if you know which one I'm talking about.
	Trump, you're going to have a hard time finding it on YouTube, but I'm sorry, on if you, if you go to some moment debate, yeah, you'll have an easier time finding it.
	Hillary Trump, Hillary Trump taxes debate.
	Okay.
	Is that the one?
	That's the one.
	Yeah.
	So there's a moment in the debate, which I don't know if you guys have seen or not.
	There's a moment in the debate in the U.S.
	Yeah, where Hillary Clinton and Trump, they're going back and forth.
	And she asked him, just verify, Rob, real quick, if that's the one, if you can fast forward and see if this is when he's saying he didn't pay taxes, he didn't do this, he didn't do that.
	And then Trump comes back up and says that's because keep going to see if this is the one.
	Yeah, I think it's the one that shows that they have more views.
	Rob, go with me to see if that's when he responds.
	That's the one that's Dave Chappelle used on his.
	So there's one.
	Oh, here it is.
	It's the one that's 152,000 views.
	Does this have 152,000 views?
	Go to the one that's 152,000 views, Rob.
	That makes me smart.
	Okay, that's where you're at.
	How many minutes is this?
	One minute.
	One minute.
	Okay, go ahead and play it.
	I will release my tax returns against my lawyer's wishes when she releases her 33,000 emails that have been deleted.
	As soon as she releases them, I will release.
	I will release my tax returns.
	So you've got to ask yourself, why won't he release his tax returns?
	And I think there may be a couple of reasons.
	First, maybe he's not as rich as he says he is.
	Second, maybe he's not as charitable as he claims to be.
	Third, we don't know all of his business dealings, but we have been told through investigative reporting that he owes about $650 million to Wall Street and foreign banks.
	Or maybe he doesn't want the American people, all of you watching tonight, to know that he's paid nothing in federal taxes because the only years that anybody's ever seen were a couple of years when he had to turn them over to state authorities when he was trying to get a casino license, and they showed he didn't pay any federal income tax.
	So, you paid zero.
	That means zero for troops, zero for the money.
	That's why I said go for $152,000.
	It's a top right.
	Right?
	That's the one.
	Yeah.
	So in this scene, what happens is he's saying, she's saying that, hey, you didn't do this, you didn't do that, you didn't do this.
	And then he turns around and says the following.
	Go ahead, Rob.
	Federal income taxes for you.
	Of course I do.
	Of course I do.
	And so do all of her donors.
	Did you use that $916 million laws to avoid paying personal federal income taxes for the money?
	Of course I do.
	Of course I do.
	And so do all of her donors, or most of her donors.
	I know many of her donors.
	Her donors took massive tax write-offs.
	A lot of my write-off was depreciation and other things that Hillary, as a senator, allowed.
	And she'll always allow it because the people that give her all this money, they want it.
	That's why.
	See, I understand the tax code better than anybody that's ever run for president.
	Hillary Clinton, and it's extremely complex.
	Hillary Clinton has friends that want all of these provisions, including they want the carried interest provision, which is very important to Wall Street people, but they really want the carried interest provision, which I believe Hillary's leaving.
	It's very interesting why she's leaving carried interest.
	But I will tell you that, number one, I pay tremendous numbers of taxes.
	I absolutely used it.
	And so did Warren Buffett, and so did George Soros.
	And so did many of the other people that Hillary is getting money from.
	Now, I won't mention their names because they're rich, but they're not famous.
	So we won't make them famous.
	Can you say how many years you have avoided paying personal federal income taxes?
	No, but I pay tax and I pay federal tax too.
	But I have a write-off.
	A lot of it's depreciation, which is a wonderful charge.
	I love depreciation.
	You know, she's given it to us.
	Hey, if she had a problem for 30 years, she's been doing this, Anderson.
	I say it all the time.
	She talks about health care.
	Why didn't she do something about it?
	She talks about taxes.
	Why didn't she do something about it?
	Great question.
	She doesn't do anything about anything other than talk with her.
	It's all total.
	So watch this, the reason why I'm showing this clip to you is because out of all those billionaires that have the money, if you continuously go the way you're going, like especially Brazil, generally it's been a country that we feel safe going.
	This is a new thing that this is going on with Brazil.
	Nobody was expecting something like this to happen in Brazil.
	Aren't the billionaires, out of all those billionaires, how many of them are against Lula and Moraes that they're saying something that this is going to affect the economy?
	They're not going to allow this to continue.
	Who is voicing their opinions of the billionaires?
	Who is voicing the opinion of the bill?
	Who's saying things?
	Which one of the billionaires are saying, hey, you know, we may need to go a different direction.
	Any one of these guys vocal?
	There's an investment group called Faria Lima.
	Yeah.
	And they are the ones that are being more vocalized.
	They helped elect Lula.
	They favored Lula, but now they understood that they made a mess.
	They made a mistake.
	Or they are pretending that they are being deceived.
	But what they're saying is, well, this is not what we had agreed.
	This is not going what we agreed upon, the deal, and things are starting to look bad.
	But that's the only thing that I can think of.
	Actually, it's very interesting because today there's the Estado de São Paulo is a big newspaper in Brazil and they represent most of the establishment of Sao Paulo, the rich people and it's more centered in Sao Paulo.
	Okay, so there's a big article called Afica Cayu.
	I don't know how to translate this, but it means they finally got it.
	People realize it.
	Cayu.
	Cayu.
	Yes, that means the coin fell inside the machine.
	Yep.
	That's what means.
	And what's talking about is one of the most important asset managers in Brazil.
	If you can pull up Fundu Vergi Asset, Vegi means green asset, asset management.
	He's one of the most important guys in the country.
	His name is Stoberg.
	And not Veggie, Vijde, with D.R.D.E.
	Yeah.
	Yes, Vede.
	Yeah, and these guys are huge.
	They're like our almost like our black rock in a sense.
	And the guy is saying that he's finally saying that he regrets supporting Lula.
	Who's saying it?
	Who's the guy?
	Stoberg.
	That's one of the most important guys.
	What's happened to Luis since he's been vocal?
	Luis?
	Luis Stoberg.
	Stober.
	How do you spell that?
	S-T-U-H.
	It's tough.
	You're going to have a hard time with that.
	I found it.
	I'll send it to you.
	Rob, I'll text it to you on who it is.
	It's extremely complicated spelling.
	But I'm sending it to you right now.
	Okay, so he says that he made a big mistake, regrets it.
	Yes, and there's this editorial piece on Estado saying that the newspaper saying that the fish is meaning the money people realize that they made a bad choice with Lula.
	I think they thought that they could control Lula, but Lula is doing everything that they did in the past.
	The difference is we don't have that much amount of cash or possibilities to increase the credit for the people.
	Because when Lula was president in the beginning from 2002 until 2010, we were having the China was buying everything, minerals, all the soft commodities we produce.
	So Lula was lucky at that time.
	But now after the pandemic, he doesn't have that margin to work again with a sustainableism and all of that.
	So what basically he's doing, he's spending the money as crazy because left-wing people, they do believe that the administration, the government, is their responsibility to generate jobs, not the private sector.
	So they are increasing the taxes, getting the money, spending more money than what they are getting.
	Estáfas en unbu.
	Let me ask you a question.
	Who's the second most powerful person in Brazil behind the conservative movement?
	Second most powerful.
	Your father's the most powerful.
	Who's the second most powerful?
	Hard to say.
	It's very centralized in Bolsonaro now.
	Then you have the second level, let me say.
	You have some governance.
	Eduardo could, I would say, the governor of Sao Paulo is very powerful.
	But it's nothing conservative.
	He was supported by Bolsonaro.
	He's in Bolsonaro's party, but he's not super conservative.
	Who's the most famous person that's not happy with what's going on in Brazil?
	Famous person, celebrity.
	That's not happy with what's going on in Brazil.
	Celebrity.
	Athlete.
	I'm talking actor, actress.
	Actor?
	Like, what's the famous singer?
	Establima is a famous singer.
	He doesn't support Lula.
	Neymar.
	Neymar also, like Neymar in the 2022 elections, like he supported Bolsonaro and he got a lot of hate because of that.
	But he was very courageous about that.
	He had a lot of courage.
	But Neymar, he has balls.
	Yeah, he does have balls.
	He do have.
	I was with him when he was in PSG and I talked to him about Bolsonaro.
	And he says he's very grateful because Bolsonaro supported him when he was accused for women and stuff like that.
	Yes, exactly.
	And Bolsonaro posted on the social media supporting him.
	And he was very grateful for Bolsonaro.
	So how's your father doing right now?
	How are things with him?
	He's in the hospital, but he's recovering very, very good.
	Because after the stab that he received during the 2018 campaign, by the way, he was stabbed by a former member of the Socialism and Liberty Party, which is extremely left in Brazil.
	He was stabbed four times, I think, right?
	Or what was it?
	He got stabbed a few times.
	No, no, no.
	He got stabbed only once, but the guy twisted the knife.
	The knife got into his belly 15 centimeters.
	And he literally almost died.
	Like for one or two minutes more, if they delayed to go to the hospital, he would be dead, out of blood.
	Because he died twice, because the heart was starting to be out of blood.
	He lost more than two liters of blood on the way to the hospital.
	And it was a miracle.
	It was a miracle.
	There is no other answer for that.
	How is he doing now?
	So now he had a problem in the intestine that time after time he can face that.
	He can have this problem obstruction.
	And then he had to go to the hospital and receive a special feeding by the nose.
	And he's responding very good with this treatment.
	So I expect that tomorrow, maybe after tomorrow, he can go back home.
	And he's running all the country.
	If you have the possibility to show some of the images of the crowd, for example, in São Paulo at the Paulista Avenue rally or in the Copacabana Beach Raily that we had.
	But like 25 February is going to be better, right?
	Yeah.
	25 February.
	25 February.
	It's the most recent protest that we made.
	Because this is this.
	This is a long time.
	Let me see.
	No, no, no, this is not.
	Maybe that one.
	Copacabana right there was Copacabana last month.
	Yeah, sure.
	This is where?
	Copacabana, Brio de Janeiro on the beach.
	More than 100,000.
	But this was the beginning.
	This was the beginning.
	There was no one on the truck.
	No one on the truck.
	That was before Bolsonaro went up.
	If you search 25 January Bolsonaro, it's going to be a...
	Was it January?
	Not February?
	February, sorry.
	25 February.
	Yeah.
	February 25th, 5th.
	Or if you follow me on social media, Bolsonaro SP.
	Do it.
	Yeah, Bolsonaro SP.
	So you posted the video?
	No, that's all.
	Yeah, that's it.
	That's one million people have been in the Paulista in January.
	February.
	Two months ago.
	Two months ago.
	And I'm going to go to the next one.
	Bolsonaro is more popular than Lula Farafari.
	My million people going to the streets to support a guy who is ineligible, who cannot run for elections.
	Has passport suspended, who can go to.
	This is February 25th?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Hit the volume, Rob.
	Oh, my God.
	What street is this?
	And they did a police.
	It's a main street example.
	And I have to add that people there, they are hitting me.
	They are going before flux of people like that.
	Yeah, before they go to the streets, the left wing in the Congress, they start to threat people.
	Oh, yeah.
	Hey, you right-wing, if you're going back to the streets to support Bolsonaro, we are going to be in jail, just like the people that went to the January 8th in 2023, as they are in jail now.
	So it was a big threat.
	People is under censorship and still they did go there.
	It shows that people still mobilize it.
	I'm proud of these people.
	Like, for example, Jay Bolsonaro is more popular than our current president, Lula.
	It's the first time that we're in the world.
	You are more popular than our current president.
	Seriously.
	Lula, it's the first time that Bolsonaro always says that.
	It's the first time that Brazil has a president without people.
	Like a team can win a championship without cheerleaders, without routers, but it's the first time that we have a president without people on the streets.
	You're born in 96?
	Yeah, I'm 27 years old.
	You're 27 years old.
	With 80 million followers.
	Now, this guy is unbelievable.
	He is a phenomenon.
	He's not a phenomenon.
	He's a political phenomenon that it's bigger than all of them together.
	Yeah, when you add TikTok, Instagram, YouTube is more than 21 million.
	21 million followers at 27 years old.
	Yeah.
	Only talking about politics.
	Let me ask you, what are your long-term aspirations?
	Do you have any plans of one day running?
	Like, I'm sure everybody talks about one day running.
	Yeah, I know everybody talks about that.
	But I think that I have a mission right now in the Congress.
	And I think that we need to put our feet in the ground and see that there is a long path to run and to work.
	I know that I'm very young.
	I know there's a lot of responsibilities.
	And one day, Jerry Bolsonaro said to us in a private renewal, he said, oh, so do you want to be like a president?
	You're going to, like, it's bad thing.
	You're going to get a lot of people.
	You're going to get hard life.
	Hard life.
	Yeah, yes.
	This is the same language in Philadelphia.
	It's a universal language.
	And I was like, no, no.
	Bolsonaro always talked to me like that.
	So stay humble, be calm because everything has the time.
	Take your time.
	You got a kid?
	Yeah, I do have a kid.
	It's like two months.
	Daughter.
	Congratulations.
	Yeah, she has two months.
	I want to have like seven kids.
	Good.
	I love it.
	I would have 20 if I'm unbelievable.
	Patrick.
	He's unbelievable.
	He's a very, I can tell he's a very, because I know him and I met him before he was in Congress.
	He's a very good person with good moral values, very Christian, and he follows what he believes truly, which is very rare with politicians.
	At that age, so he's one of a kind.
	He's definitely one of a kind.
	It's very hard to handle fame, sudden fame at a young age.
	Most people don't know how to handle it.
	Very hard to handle sudden fame.
	And you need the right people.
	More importantly, you need to be raised on the right values and principles.
	I'm sure your parents did a great job with you, the environment you were in.
	I don't know the story of your parents, but that doesn't happen accidentally.
	That's years of right.
	But Patrick, I think one thing that helps me is because I came from like a favela, a poor neighborhood in Brazil.
	It's called Cabana.
	Cabano do Paitomas.
	It's the name of it.
	And my father and my mom, they came from a very poor family.
	And I still there.
	My church is still there.
	I go to the church.
	I play drums there.
	So I keep my life as the way I lived before.
	Play soccer.
	Yeah, I play soccer there.
	And I really do appreciate it.
	Who's your favorite soccer of all time?
	That's a 27.
	Okay, all times.
	The Neymar Pele, Mesty.
	Who are you going to go?
	Okay, Anymore, I love you.
	But I think that the great officer all time that came to the top, I think is Ronaldinho.
	Really?
	Oh, you put Ronaldinho.
	Ronaldinho.
	Which one?
	Ronaldo Aucho.
	Ronaldinho.
	Yeah.
	Footwork, Ronaldinho, the fun.
	Yeah, people play in Barcelona.
	I think that he has the most beautiful football.
	He came to the top.
	But I think that, for example.
	He's so likable.
	Yeah.
	So handsome.
	Whenever you see his relationship with Messi, it's beautiful when you see the relationship with him.
	Yeah, there's a reason.
	And I play the role of an older brother.
	When he comes, he hugs him.
	Like Ronald Deal was in jail when he played a championship there, you know?
	Like, everyone likes him.
	When he was in prison, yeah.
	Why did he go to jail?
	What was the reason?
	Pass apart in Paraguay.
	But I think it's always his fault.
	Someone did, but I heard he liked to have a lot of fun as well.
	I heard he's a pretty fun guy as well.
	Yes, yeah.
	But anyway, that's it.
	I think that's the, I can say that it's the secret.
	I think you need to see the reality.
	Like, always my dream was to have a family.
	So I do have now like my wife.
	I love her so much my wife.
	Because I can't talk about my baby and not talk about my wife, right?
	I'm always the partner.
	Very wise man.
	And one thing for sure in my university, I studied five years of law.
	I'm graduating in law.
	In these five years, like a conservative young boy or girl who studies in university in Brazil, it's so hostile that you can say that you are against abortion.
	You can say that you are against transgender in sports.
	You only, you can say that.
	When you go in the streets, how do people treat you in the streets when you go shopping?
	No, they treat very well.
	They're respectful to people.
	Yeah, they respect.
	They respect you.
	You don't get a lot of hate.
	No, I don't because I think that all the left are, they are very cowards.
	Look, they're craving the internet.
	Yeah, they shout a lot, but they are very coward.
	And this is something interesting.
	This happens to Eduardo as well.
	Whenever I'm with him and we walk in the anywhere we go, people just want to take pictures and they go to him and say, please don't give up.
	You are our home.
	What are you doing?
	I'm praying for you.
	When I go out, the same thing in my city, it's the same things.
	That's why we don't give up.
	Because even though there might be a lot of hate from the legacy media and some bubbles of idiocracy, the idiots, when we go to this, to the real world, what we see is just love and support and people wanting us to keep fighting, to keep defending them.
	And this is something that we have to highlight because sometimes people imagine that, oh, for every picture that we take, I hate her come and talk bad things to us.
	And no, no, no, I can tell you, like every 5,000 pictures or 10,000 pictures that we take, one guy cross to you and when he's a bit far away, he starts to say, oh, fascist, fascist, homophobic.
	And he goes.
	So that's what they say.
	So going back to you.
	So all of you guys here, what do you think is going to happen now with your pops?
	Right?
	Because your father is loved, he's admired, and he's hated by the opposition, right?
	What's next for him?
	The strategy they're taking with your father.
	There's a difference between him and Trump here.
	Trump, they're giving him a gag order where he can't speak, right?
	Every time he speaks, they're fining him $1,000, $1,000, $1,000.
	And even yesterday, Rob the Mayor Adams said what?
	He said that we are very ready in New York, that if he goes to jail, we're ready for him.
	If he goes to jail, right?
	They're ready to put this man in jail, which I think if they put him in jail, it's going to be terrible for them.
	It's going to be great for Trump.
	It's going to be horrible for them.
	Every time they do something to him, he wins.
	But Trump's got a few billion dollars.
	Trump's got money.
	Trump's got some of the stuff that's going on with him.
	Your dad doesn't have money to be able to go out there and do it.
	So how is he able to get his message out there?
	Their goal is to silence your father.
	How do you fight against that?
	That is a very good question.
	I mean, there are some issues that you cannot talk in Brazil.
	For example, the electoral process.
	You cannot talk about that.
	But still, he's going all the way around, all around the country, raising up his flags, our conservative flags, now God, Patriot, family, and freedom.
	And we have a strategy to overturn inside of the electoral court next year, because the electoral court, the superior electoral court in Brazil is formed by seven judges.
	Three of these judges, they come from the Supreme Court.
	So next year, these three judges from the justices from the Supreme Court that will be part of the electoral court, two were the guys that were appointed by my father, which does not mean that they are going to do everything in favor of my father.
	It means that there's a lot of stuff.
	But anyway, what I'm going to say is we will have next year a way more balanced electoral court than the electoral court, the current electoral court that we have chaired by Alicia de Morais.
	So maybe on the next year we can overturn the ineligibility that my father is having now.
	The eligibility that our father has now.
	Yeah, and if we can overturn that, my father can run on 2026.
	You're saying we as Congress.
	We as Bolsonaro support.
	It's very, I'm not going to lie to you.
	This is a very unlikely.
	Yeah, very unlikely.
	I mean, but unlikely because the establishment do not like.
	So what's your strategy?
	What's your strategy?
	Well, if Bolsonaro doesn't run, he can run.
	And he's even better.
	Really?
	So if he doesn't run, you can run.
	He can.
	Thank you, Paulo.
	Well, I think we're better.
	I like your father.
	I like him personally, but you're better than him.
	And worse for the left.
	I'm sorry.
	I have to say it.
	I'm very blunt.
	So this is, by the way, Elon Musk just tweeted this a couple hours ago.
	Given the terrible flooding in Rio, Starlink will donate 1,000 terminals to emergency responders and make usage of all terminals in the region free until the region has recovered.
	I hope the best for people of Brazil.
	I think this is in response to a video that was posted by.
	Is that who I think it is?
	She posts a video saying what?
	She's from there.
	My home state in Rio Grande do Sul, South in Brazil, has had the worst tragedy in its history.
	That's so sad.
	Heavy rains flooded entire towns in most parts of the state.
	It's not one or two cities, it's more than 350 cities affected.
	People are not only losing their houses, their jobs, they're losing everything.
	And there are many still to be rescued.
	Nobody was ready for such devastation.
	Towns are isolated.
	Roads and bridges were destroyed.
	People have no electricity, no clean water to drink.
	What's going on right now?
	Many have been separated from their loved ones.
	And the saddest is that many lives were lost.
	It's painful.
	It's heartbreaking.
	So please join me in trying to help make donations and help in any way that you can.
	Thank you so much.
	Okay, you can pause that.
	So let me ask you.
	She's such a good person, Giselle.
	I love the fact that Ilan is going out of his way to send a thousand terminals to them.
	So if the people in Brazil don't have access to the internet, and if they do, the internet can block whatever sites that they're not allowing to go into Brazil.
	They can block X, they can block certain websites, right?
	How important is what he's doing right now for the people that maybe don't have access to VPN?
	How important is this?
	Look, I'm asking, I'm in a conversation with a lot of people that are helping Rio Grande do Sul right now.
	And the Internet is so important because you can communicate, you can say where to put water, where to rescue people.
	You can be rescued.
	Yeah, you can rescue people.
	So Starlink, actually, it's an interesting point.
	The Socialist and Liberty parties in Brazil, they tried to banish Starlink from Brazil.
	Like one month ago, after Elon Musk started to say about free speech in Brazil, this party, Socialist Party, said that Starlink should be vanished from Brazil because he was like helping the right-wing conservatives in Brazil.
	They're crazy.
	This concern that they can't block Starlink as they have been blocking everything else.
	So they don't want Starlink to become popular in Brazil because satellite there's nothing they can do.
	But in this case, it's a problem because everybody's talking about what's happening in the south of the country and Elon Musk decided to help.
	And this is very helpful.
	Yeah, and the four of him posted it that he was giving like 1,000 Starlink units.
	There was an institute called Instituto Cutu Rao Floresta in Rio Guerrero do Sul.
	Left NGO.
	Yeah, that bought, no, they bought like twin, I don't know, it was 25 or 50 of these Starlinks that they were already helping people with the internet.
	So before Elon Musk gave this, people were receiving helping from the Starlink internet.
	So and they save like a lot of people risking, giving food, giving water.
	Because these people will be with no infrastructure for a long time.
	So this will be the only way that they will be able to connect basic infrastructure service and governmental agencies and all that.
	This is going to take a long time to fix.
	This is like Katrina in the U.S. Something interesting about this disaster that's happening in Brazil, which kind of like connects to the censorship that's happening there.
	The total incompetence of the government to react.
	So it took four days for the government to start reacting.
	Uruguay wanted to help with some ships and boats and air helicopters and our government rejected.
	And then there was a minister saying that they were not going to send any money yet because the mayors were not sending their demands, which is a lie.
	And then people started organizing by themselves to send supplies, clean water, toilet paper, everything there by trucks.
	And the government, the federal government, was stopping these trucks and giving them fines because they didn't have overweight receipt or it was overweight.
	Driver's license.
	The institution responsible for medicine was not letting the medicine get there.
	So what happened is that we started denouncing that.
	We started posting on our social media that the government was not only not helping, but it was blocking help to get there, right?
	So what did the government did?
	Again, they sued us.
	We are now all under investigation because we are posting what the people from there are saying.
	The biggest mainstream media, our CNN, as you can see, it's global news, posted it was a lie that the trucks were being stopped by checkpoints and being fined, right?
	And that the secretary of communications from the government said it was a lie and it would put the Supreme Court to investigate Bolsonar, to investigate me and it was everybody.
	But then another network, which is the second biggest one, SBT, posted the video of the trucks being fined.
	And the ANTT, the Agency of National Transportation, stopping trucks with full of rice and mattresses and medicine and fining them because they didn't have a receipt or because they were overweight.
	So now we are being persecuted.
	We are being investigated.
	Some of us are being put under investigation by the Supreme Court for saying the truth.
	Even when the truth is being unveiled, even when the globe has been exposed as saying a lie, we're still under investigation.
	So going back to the beginning of our conversation, Brazil is not on democracy anymore.
	We don't have free speech.
	And if you see anything that shows how incompetent the government is, you can go to prison.
	Who is the neighboring country that you have a good relationship with that can help you?
	That's against what's going on today.
	Argentina now.
	Argentina, not because of Malay.
	Yeah.
	Which makes sense.
	I'm assuming Maduro, you know, Venezuela, one, what was the other guy?
	Gaito or what?
	One Petro, Colombia?
	No, Colombia, the guy that.
	Naibukeli.
	No, the guy that was running against Nicolas is Guayado.
	Guayadoa.
	Guaydo.
	Guayado joined Maduro's camp, though, right?
	So he's gone.
	There's nothing really going on there.
	I don't know.
	Okay, got it.
	And then what's the other one you said?
	You said one other name.
	Uruguay.
	Who is that?
	It's a small country in the south of Brazil.
	I know Uruguay, but who is the are they for?
	Like, are they their way of thinking?
	Is what?
	It's not extreme left, right?
	Oh, no, Uruguay, Uruguay, Argentina, Paraguay, Suada.
	Right?
	Luis Suarez.
	Yes, Luis Suarez is La Caleppo.
	Luis La Calebo.
	He's center right, I can say.
	He's center right.
	Okay, got it.
	Yeah, I'm just trying to think right now, like who, you know, sometimes neighbors who don't want to see what's going on in a country will contribute and try to help to the best of their abilities.
	What's Millay doing?
	Is Millé at all talking about Brazil or not at all?
	Yes, he even, through his chancellor, Diana Monteno, he tweeted, offering asylum for the ex-employees that were in Brazil because Ilon Musk was even answering Nicolas Fejera, saying that when all the ex-employees, when they were in a safe place, Ilan Musk would release more information about this, what is going on in this relation with Alexandria de Morais.
	So this is one point.
	He's in favor of the free speech and he's helping doing that.
	And now, during the flutes, flutes that we have in the south of Brazil, he also offered some structures, helicopters, if I'm not wrong, some boats.
	And I'm not sure if the federal government, if Lula de Silva did accept that, I'm not sure.
	But Uruguay was also offering some help.
	I'm just checking here.
	Yes, Argentina offered help.
	It's in the screen over there.
	I saw the gazette.
	Which one?
	No, it's not there.
	Argentina offers help to Brazil.
	But I say here, Gazette.
	Only photos, sorry.
	Argentina offers help to Brazil.
	So in favor of free speech, Millay is doing airplane helicopters, boats, and all that.
	Yeah.
	So at least not the U.S. helping.
	How does Lula feel about Milan?
	He refused this.
	He denied help from Uruguay.
	Something, another scandal.
	So Uruguay wanted to help.
	Lula said, no, you're not going to help.
	We don't want anything.
	People are dying.
	You saw the situation, how it is.
	You have people sleeping on the roof.
	People are sleeping on.
	Why would he say no?
	We don't want your help.
	Yeah, that's it.
	And then after he said that it was fake news.
	But the same editorial, the same news, said that it's fake news that he's saying that it's fake news.
	One of our congressmen, Marcel Van Hatting, it's crazy.
	One of our congressmen, Marcel Van Hatt, actually went and talked to Uruguay ambassador, asking what happened.
	Did you guys actually offer some help?
	And they were ambassador.
	Yes, we did.
	Lula denied.
	Lula said no.
	Because look, fake news is an actual problem.
	There are a lot of people spreading false information all over the internet.
	We had problems with that in the US, and there's problems with that in Brazil as well.
	But in real life, there's no solutions, only trade-offs, like Tomosso used to say, right?
	So the problem is, who defines what are the fake news?
	Who decides that?
	And in the moment that Brazil started to have a justice punishing everyone that was spreading misinformation or whatever, now the federal government in Brazil is saying, well, we think this is misinformation as well.
	So they're deciding that any speech that they dislike, it's called misinformation.
	So yes, fake news is a problem.
	But you don't fix it with censorship.
	And the Western world realized that.
	It took a long time for people to realize that the only antidote against fake news is more real news and a free market of ideas and public debate.
	So right now what they're feeling and what's happening in the strategy in Brazil is the government is simply stopping any criticism against them saying it's fake.
	For example, so it's the Ministry of Truth.
	That's really important.
	In 2022 elections, the Supreme Electoral Court denied to put in internet, wherever, associating Lula to Daniel Ortega in Nicaragua.
	Like, they prohibit this.
	The dictator.
	Anyone that posted this on internet, they got a fine or their accounts were blocked.
	Okay.
	Another thing, we couldn't say that there was a relationship with crime organizations in Lula, even though there was that recorded, the recording out that we said here before.
	Joe, now Lula received Maduro in Brazil.
	Now Lula, it's for life.
	Re-established full relationship.
	Yeah, he has a full relationship not only with Venezuela, but Nicaragua also.
	So the important question is, who from the left in Brazil is being sued or fined because of fake news?
	Anyone.
	No one.
	Any congressman, any congresswoman.
	You don't have journalists from the left that are being fined because of fake news.
	only conservatives that's like the problem with this is this So your house, Congress, MP, how many is left?
	How many is right?
	What's the split?
	100.
	130 left, 130 right, and the rest of the misery.
	Physiological.
	Almost 100 is right, and the other 400 is center, divided with center and left-wing.
	No, but the left has around 100 as well.
	Mostly.
	It's hard left.
	Hard left.
	The center in Brazil, they decide they run the show.
	But they have price tags.
	Yeah, really, right?
	They have price tags.
	But the center in Brazil means corruption.
	We don't buy it.
	The left buys the center, so the center votes with them.
	So the problem is, but it's a great thing, okay?
	Because back in the 90s and 2002, there was two.
	His dad and another one.
	Aeneas.
	Aeneas, for example.
	Now, I know that's not the ideal world, but it's more than we ever had.
	And these guys are great.
	I mean, really.
	I've known a lot of politicians in the U.S. and in Brazil.
	And you have here three of our best guys.
	Guy is a very, very good person as well.
	I met him when he was a podcaster.
	Okay, that's his background.
	He has an English code, but he was a podcaster as well.
	Nicolas already said too many things about you, but you deserve them.
	And Eduardo Bolsonaro, he's one of the most humble Daltworth person that I've ever met.
	Although he's the son of a president.
	Yeah.
	So, and it's consensual.
	In Congress, you know, a lot of disputes and political disputes in Congress, same as here.
	You see on the right, people have their own vanities and they disagree with each other.
	Everybody likes Eduardo.
	Left, right, center, they like him.
	Right.
	No, left.
	Well, the left.
	Who does the left like?
	But even the center likes that.
	It's not important only who supports you, but who doesn't support you?
	My point being, we have the best Congress we ever had in Brazil for conservatives.
	Until it's not the ideal, we can't do much because we know that there's a lot of centrized power, but we can like we can not too much, but we can speak.
	We can open the eyes of the people.
	Expose.
	Yeah, 2025 February.
	We became a danger.
	We became a danger to this.
	We really expose Brazil.
	Yeah, we can expose risk, but we can.
	We all know we are at certain.
	What's the worst thing they can do to you?
	Just arrest?
	Daniel Silvera, Congressman, nine years in prison for recording a video harshly criticizing Moraes.
	He's serving now in general population in Rio.
	What's the worst thing he said in that video?
	I really don't know, but look, it was a hard speech, okay?
	A really hard speech.
	Bad words.
	Yeah.
	Bad words.
	A lot of people disagree with him, even from the right.
	I think everyone's a bit of a sentence.
	Yeah, but it doesn't mean anything because He's in jail in the worst jail, one of the worst jails in Brazil, okay?
	One like of the most criminal drug dealers from Rio.
	Okay, the worst prison that I was in my life was Bangu Ung.
	That is the place that he is right now.
	And he is in jail because of opinion in prison.
	This guy?
	Yes, that guy.
	Yeah, this guy.
	Yeah.
	He was a police officer as well before becoming a Congress.
	Yeah, you're sending a police officer to a prison in Rio with drug dealers.
	How interesting.
	How good that can be.
	It's not that.
	It's not the end because when he went to jail, my father, he was the president at that time.
	And my father gave to this guy the presidential pardon.
	So when my father, when he did not get re-elected, the Supreme Court got a case, and they canceled for the first time in the history of Brazil the presidential pardon and sent back again Daniel Suvere to the prison.
	He was in the prison waiting for judgment.
	All right.
	So he was released and then he was convicted for almost 90 years in prison.
	You know the former prosecutor of Lula?
	The guy that the former lawyer.
	No, the prosecutor of Lula.
	Okay.
	The guy that was car wash chief prose.
	And the prosecutor of the car wash.
	Chief prosecutor.
	Yes.
	The guy who sent Lula to prison.
	Right.
	He left the Department of Justice and he ran for Congress.
	He was the most voted congressman in his state.
	Paraná.
	He lost his seat by order of Moraes.
	By what?
	By Moraes.
	Order of Morais court.
	Of the electoral court.
	Wait, wait.
	He lost his seat.
	Well, he shouldn't.
	He can do anything.
	Moraes can do whatever he wants.
	Wow.
	Whatever he wants.
	Well, now you might be wondering right now, how is it possible that one guy does all that and no one is there to contest it?
	Well, we have the Senate.
	The Senate is the only house that would have power to go against, to judge, to impeach a guy like Moraes.
	But if the Senate starts moving in that direction, certain phone calls start happening and they go like, okay, if you go down that path, you'll be arrested.
	If you go down that path, I will investigate you for this and this and this and that.
	Not even that.
	They openly said that if any investigation is open against him, they will declare that the investigation is unconstitutional and will be nullified.
	And the guy who has a power.
	They openly said that.
	The court saying that if anyone investigates them, they will say it's unconstitutional and they will nullify them.
	And if we pass a bill that takes away some of their superpowers, they will void this bill as well because they will consider it unconstitutional.
	And Gustavo, the guy who has a power to open an investigation in the Synod of Brazil is the president of the Congress.
	His name is Rodrigo Pachico.
	This is an important guy in all of this history because if the Synod of Brazil makes his paper, we shouldn't live what we are living today.
	But like there is a lot of Pijudo's impeachment.
	Impeachment requirements.
	Yeah, impeachment requirements.
	And he does do that.
	He puts like in the...
	He just sit on them.
	Yeah.
	Exactly.
	He's from my state, Mina Gerais.
	And like he doesn't have any popularity.
	He's not going to run for anything, I think, because he's going to lose.
	And still, he does do that for us.
	Nothing.
	That's really, really sad.
	But what we can do?
	We can do nothing.
	We're going to say to him that to put a requirement for impeachment, the old people came to Sao Paulo, Rio asking for impeach Bajosu, impeach Alejandro de Morais, even though he doesn't do nothing.
	You know all these people that you saw in Sao Paulo?
	Yeah.
	Their main thing is, yes, they do support Bolsonaro, but their main ask is for Moraes to be impeached.
	Yeah.
	Isn't that a fair assessment?
	Exactly.
	Yeah, fair assessment.
	There are four million, I think it's more than four million signatures now on an online petition to get Moraes impeached.
	Four million, that has never happened before with anybody.
	Four million people took time to go there, write the form, put your name, confirm email, go there and sign.
	I am favor of impeachment of Al Shandar de Britain.
	What is a nice thing to put on screen?
	If you can find it.
	Is it change.org?
	What is the website?
	I don't know if it's no, no, it's not that one.
	If you put Copola, C-O-P-P-O-L-L-A.
	Moraes impeachment.
	I think it's change.org.
	Change.org.
	No, it's not.
	There's another one.
	4 million people.
	That's us.
	That was from 2021.
	Look at that.
	Abasho Senado petition for Moraes.
	So 2 million.
	Yes.
	But it's in Portuguese, right?
	Yeah, it's in Portuguese.
	Nobody, you can click and you can translate it, right?
	That's 2021.
	Yeah.
	We got to find the link.
	There's a link there somewhere.
	Yeah.
	Anyway.
	Where's the link?
	No, just read more.
	Anyway, in 2021, like two.
	That's it.
	Yeah.
	That's it.
	Wow.
	Four million.
	Oh, my God.
	It's now almost 5 million.
	And now, please go to this link and support now too.
	Almost 5 million.
	But what does this mean, though?
	Okay, so you get 6 million signatures.
	What does it mean?
	Nothing.
	Yeah.
	It's raising temperature.
	That's what we've been trying to do all the time.
	This is why we have been coming here.
	This is our fourth or fifth visit to the United States.
	Something that I keep talking to the congressman here in the United States is every time the left starts losing in one country, there's a whole network, global network of leftist people that go there and support the left in that country.
	They will not accept the left losing in a certain country.
	So they have this network to help each other, right?
	But the conservatives or the right-wing people, we are fighting isolated fights.
	And it's impossible.
	It's like we're fighting a mammoth.
	And then when we start to gain some ground, come SOTOs and NGOs all over the place and then CNN.
	And then everywhere comes and then puts us back in our place, let's say, right?
	What we are trying to do, and I think it's actually, we are late, but we need to start doing that, is work together.
	All the right, the conservatives, clear-minded, reasonable, they don't have to be conservative.
	You just have to be reasonable.
	All the reasonable people, the sane-minded people in the world, need to start working together.
	And Brazil is now an experiment of a new kind of dictatorship.
	It's not a dictatorship centered in the executive, but it's a dictatorship centered in the judiciary, which gives a certain air of legitimacy because it's an institution that is giving these decisions to help uphold the democracy and the constitution when actually it's the opposite.
	And if it works in Brazil, there will be a perfect manual that will be replicated in other countries.
	So we have to cut this evil at its roots.
	And the root now of this evil is Brazil.
	So we're coming here to tell everyone, look, we live in one planet.
	Let's help each other.
	We are doing our best to get every single Brazilian people, person here in the United States to vote for Trump.
	We're trying to explain to everyone.
	And we have, I don't know.
	Why is it important for Brazil for Trump to win?
	Ever since Biden took office and the United States became weak, all the dictators or the wannabe dictators of the world started popping up.
	Then we have Maduro wanting to invade Guyana.
	We had Hamas doing that terrible thing with Israel.
	Russia invading Ukraine.
	Why?
	Because whether you like it or not, you might like United States.
	People from all over the world that's watching this, you might like United States or not.
	But as long as the United States is the most powerful country, there's a certain balance.
	It's like the, I don't know if it's going to sound, but it's a good bully, right?
	You have the bad bully and the good bully.
	It's not a perfect country.
	But when it's the most powerful country, all the other dictators think twice before doing something, invading another country and having a reaction from the United States.
	Now, when you have an old senile person who can't even read the prompt, make a speech, all the wannabe dictators are like, oh, now it's my time.
	Now it's the time to do what I always wanted to do.
	The U.S. has been a force for evil.
	I will make the bold statement.
	Who has been a force for the United States government?
	I will make the bold statement that if it wasn't for the Biden administration, Lula wouldn't be the president of Brazil.
	Okay.
	Why do you say that?
	Because they completely interfered with the Brazilian elections, not only through their work with the TSC, but also with the threat that I said to the military leaders and politicians in Brazil.
	Our institutions would take care of Moraes if it wasn't for the support, the blunt and strong support that the Biden administration gave to Moraes.
	And that's what's happening in the foreign policy of the United States.
	The U.S. used to use its soft power to export democracy.
	Now it uses a soft power.
	The number one priority of the Biden administration foreign policy is LGBT and climate.
	So it's woke leftist agenda.
	And Lula is their guy in Brazil.
	Definitely.
	They didn't want Bolsonaro.
	Bolsonaro is not a crazy environmental agenda.
	It's not towards LGBT.
	It's not towards the woke agenda, definitely.
	And it was their enemy.
	And they went out of their way to get rid of him.
	And I don't care.
	I'm not here.
	I don't care about Bolsonaro and Lula, really.
	I do not.
	I think the country needs to make its own decision in a fair election, in a free and fair election.
	But if you don't have free speech, you don't have anything else.
	And the war against free speech is not only in Brazil.
	It's ongoing in the U.S.
	We now know for a fact that the Biden administration was working with a social media company to censor speech in America.
	That's a fact.
	That's beyond any discussion.
	We have the documents.
	We have the emails, at least since last week.
	So we know what's going on in France.
	You know, Rumbo left France.
	You know, Rumbo was kicked out of Russia.
	You know, China is not, let's not even talk about China.
	You know what's happening in Australia.
	You know what's happening in Ireland or Germany.
	So the war against free speech is a global thing.
	And Brazil is just where they have the most power to enforce it.
	In December 2023, Rumbo blocked access to Brazil.
	So there is no Rumble in Brazil.
	No, no locals.
	Because they ordered to block my account, among others.
	I think Rodrigo was part of it as well, because Rumbo owns locals.
	And Rodrigo, Rodrigo Constantino, was here as well.
	He was a target of orders against him as well.
	And Rumbo, Chris Pavlovsky, the CEO, said, I'm not going to comply with it.
	Ilama said he's going to lift all the restrictions in Brazil as well, but he hasn't made good of his promise yet.
	And the moment he does, he will, Twitter or X, whatever, will be disconnected from Brazil.
	Lula actually is, there's an ongoing process from Lula people administration to ban Twitter or X from Brazil.
	Yeah, I'm attorney.
	But I have a question.
	Sorry, I have a question about that.
	Imagine the future with the election of Trump.
	Let's imagine this possibility.
	If Trump look for that as a trade war against Brazil, looking, imagine Trump saying, okay, you are banning an American company in Brazil.
	Let's going to do the same with the Brazilian companies in U.S.
	So with I think He can do worse things.
	He used the Magninsky Act to go against Moraes.
	He can freeze bank accounts.
	He cancel visas.
	sell visas so this is the kind of pressure that they fear with trump's election yeah They're terrified.
	They are terrified.
	How do you know that?
	Well, because of the way, you know, because of the mainstream media, the way they hate Trump and they're doing everything.
	If I watch regular TV, regular news in Brazil, what am I hearing every day?
	Trump is a terrible person and a murderer, rapist, this kind of things.
	Yes.
	On regular news.
	Yes, you know, MSNBC.
	He hates the planet, destroyed pollution, Islamophobic, Nazi.
	He's a Nazi.
	Because now defending Jews is a Nazi in Brazil.
	If you defend the Jew, the Israel, you're a Nazi.
	Like, because these traditional medias, they receive money from the government.
	And now Lula put like a lot of money.
	You can respond to that.
	Record value.
	It's ideological.
	Yes, ideological, right?
	But money counts a lot too.
	So they put a lot of money in global.
	For example, there is the biggest mainstream media in Brazil.
	And that's why you came to hear the truth.
	That's why they want so much censorship or internet.
	We're going to put the link below to all three of you guys.
	Are you guys more active?
	Twitter or Instagram?
	Which one is the one you're more active in?
	Instagram.
	Instagram or Twitter.
	Because that's going to be.
	Okay, Rob.
	Let's put everybody's links below.
	I just want to say I appreciate you guys for coming down and sitting down and talking.
	Every time I do, I learn more about what's going on with Brazil.
	And every time I talk to people, I'm obviously a guy that lived in Iran.
	And when Carter became president for those four years when he was president, Iran was in shambles.
	The Iranian revolution, when Iran went from being one of the most beautiful countries in the world under the Shah, to it falling, happened under Jimmy Carter.
	And the closest case study we have to Jimmy Carter is Joseph Biden.
	And again, goes back to what you said when the president in the U.S. is weak, everybody else feels it.
	I'm in U.S. because of Jimmy Carter.
	Jimmy Carter is the reason why I'm in U.S.
	And he forced a lot of people to leave.
	We didn't feel safe.
	And a lot of people around the world right now are feeling it because of weak leadership here.
	And it's great to see guys like you that have the courage to go out there and speak out.
	I wish you guys nothing but the best.
	When you go back to your, you know, I'm sure you guys got a dinner set up with Alessandro the moment you guys get in town and Moraz, you guys are probably going to go to the barbecue.
	It's going to be a baby or with pool party.
	It's actually a pool party, right?
	And I'm glad that your father is recovering well and he's fighting and he's out there doing his thing and losing his passport over chasing after a whale or whatever he's doing with that.
	Obviously, he seems like a pretty creative fun guy to be around.
	But appreciate you guys for coming out.
	For the people that are following the story, like they said, spread this conversation with others.
	They want more exposure of this because people need to learn about what's really going on in Brazil.
	Thanks, guys.
	Thanks, everybody.
	Take care.

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