Suge Knight OPENS UP About Diddy, Dre, Tupac, Biggie & Eazy-E | PBD Podcast | Ep. 400
Patrick Bet-David and Vincent Oshana are joined by Suge Knight.
Marion Hugh "Suge" Knight Jr. is an American music executive and convicted felon who is the co-founder and former CEO of Death Row Records. Knight was a central figure in gangsta rap's commercial success in the 1990s.
00:00 - A message from Patrick Bet-David
01:56 - Patrick welcomes Suge Knight to the podcast.
03:02 - Suge talks about partying with Katt Williams and Diddy.
08:07 - Suge discusses Diddy being a victim and says he was groomed by record reps.
12:27 - Is Diddy untouchable?
20:42 - Suge exposes how the Illuminati controls the Hip-Hop industry.
26:33 - Suge claims Barry Gordy and Clive Davis "touched" Michael Jackson.
38:18 - Suge explains the birth of gangster rap and the origin of the West Coast vs East Coast feud.
42:25 - Did Dr. Dre try and have Easy E murdered?
53:03 - Suge talks Dr. Dre leaving Death Row Records.
58:09 - Suge tells all about the deaths of Tupac and Biggie Smalls.
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My assistant comes up and says, Shuge Knight wants to speak to you from Jill.
I said, who?
He said, Suge Knight.
The Suge?
Yes.
Got to be kidding me.
No.
Get on the phone.
We have a great conversation together.
He says, hey, I watched the podcast.
I want to come on and do the longest podcast and speak to you about any questions you may have about Diddy, Jay-Z, Biggie, Tupac, what's going on with music industry, et cetera, et cetera.
So then yesterday, we have the podcast that we do.
He calls in six times.
Each call is 15 minutes.
We have to edit it because he is calling from prison.
And we had a great conversation together.
The things he said to me about Diddy was very interesting.
He says, do you think Diddy independently picked up these habits?
Or do you think somebody taught him?
And who taught him?
He dropped two names of who he claims that taught Diddy these bad habits of what to do with boys.
And he says, Usher can stop it because there's something that he, and then he brought in, you know, we talked Tupac, how the difference between him losing Tupac, that cost him money, versus the difference between Diddy losing Biggie, it made him money.
And the feud and the stuff with Dre at the end when Dre was going to get 50%, $60 million, how that whole arrangement worked out and how the negotiation with EZE, what he said about Easy E's feud with Dre that I had never heard before.
Anyways, if you're somebody that follows hip-hop, you know the whole story because a couple of weeks ago, I dame Dash on said, that was a whole different conversation that we had.
If you're somebody that follows these things closely, I had Greg Kating in the past before telling me exactly who shot Tupac Biggie because I'm curious.
The detective that did the background on this, you're going to be glued to the phone to hear what Suge has to say.
Because when Suge answers, sometimes he goes like this.
You just kind of have to hear what he's trying to connect the dots.
But if you speak that language, you'll kind of know what Suge is saying.
And there was a couple parts that he could be a comedian.
But with that being said, here's Suge Knight on PBD Podcast.
All right.
So we have a special guest here with us today, Suge Knight from R.J. Donovan Correctional Facility, Prison in San Diego.
Shuge, for those of you that obviously follow hip-hop, his background, founder, co-founder of Death Row Records at $1.750 million of generated revenue.
I think one year they sold 60 million records, 150 million total records sold.
They had some of the biggest albums ever, signing Easy, Snoop, Dre, Tupac, Nadog, Corrupt, MC Hamill, Warren G.
The list goes on.
Shuge, it's great to have you on the podcast today.
Hey, Greg being on here.
And I appreciate that.
By the way, you know, one of the things I think is important for the audience to know is the fact that you just said, look, whatever Pat wants to ask, I want to have all the conversations.
Any questions, nothing's off the table.
Is that correct?
I like Pat.
And one of the things that I always feel, if you're ever going to suddenly have a platform, it's about telling your truth to the next person's truth to help the generation.
I agree.
By the way, Shuge, did you by any chance, before we get started, did you ever have a chance to watch the Cat Williams podcast with Shay Shay with Shannon Sharp?
Did you watch the whole thing?
Well, number one, you know, his family at the same time, nah, I'm in the penitentiary to watch that.
But I heard about it like the whole world did.
I heard it was a great interview.
Now, let me ask you, Shuge, your experience with Cat.
If you were, if for the audience, you and Cat have hung out, who is Cat to you?
Is he a stand-up guy, good friend, relationship, guy that you could trust?
Oh, I can trust him.
Okay.
Now I'm telling you about too many people, but at the same time, you know, Cat is who he is.
And if you really want to understand Cat, he on tour right now, go buy one tickets for a roll and hear.
Oh, you know what I'm saying?
That's what you find out about Shannon.
Even from there, you're selling tickets.
You can't, no matter where you're, you're selling it.
The only reason I ask this question is because when he did this interview with Shannon Sharp, and I know you played in the NFL before, when he did this interview with Shannon Sharp, everywhere, everybody was talking, but also people were quiet.
I want to play one of the clips, Rob.
If you can play the clip of what Kat said to Shannon Sharp about Diddy, I just want you to hear this since you haven't heard the whole thing.
This is just a snippet of what Kat said about Diddy.
Go for it.
Big events all catching hell in 2024.
It's up for all of them.
It don't matter if you Diddy or whoever you is, TGJ, Xenia, all lies will be exposed.
That's all.
And anyone who takes that the wrong way, know why they take it the wrong way.
Now, when this came out, he went after, you know, Diddy.
He went after TDG.
He went after a lot of people in the space.
Had you, Kat, and Diddy, did you guys ever party together?
Three of you guys?
I know you and Diddy spent some time together, but did you, Kat, and Diddy ever spend time together?
I'm not going to listen.
I'm not going to say I never had a threesome.
I damn sure ain't had no threesome with Lorenz.
Each time I have me.
That's not what I'm asking.
You see it, not me.
Well, listen, that is becoming an everyday something new pops up where it's no longer a surprise nowadays.
But I guess the question I'm asking is, did you, Diddy, and Kat ever hang out where, and the reason why I'm asking this, where you actually personally witnessed some of the accusations that Diddy is having, saying the fact that he had cameras in the room.
Okay.
But listen to me, let me tell you.
We from two different worlds.
Number one, him and I. Number two, I'm the guy they didn't want to invite to those parties.
And I'm glad of it.
I've never been with you last time in my life.
But at the same time, I'm not the guy who's in for Puffy's downfall.
But I am the guy who support the victims who got victimized, right?
But at the same time, whatever the situation is, everybody knows wrong.
And I don't think you get punished as hard as the regular person because, you know, he used to be an FBI informant for a long time, they say.
So I'm quite sure that play a role.
You're saying?
Ask the question.
Me, Kat, and Puffy, we had no reason to be hanging out, not me and Puffy.
So that's that.
Got it.
So you're saying Diddy's an FBI informant and he's been one for many years.
That's what they say.
Nothing ever happens, but it's still, like I said, it ain't my business.
I said that because anybody else got quick, fast, in a hurry.
But, you know, the most important thing about this is that with me, you got some people who have on something either they weren't a part of or they weren't there.
And I never want to be that type of person because you know, there's only so many people who was at Tupac, I've seen Tupac, I talked to Tupac.
And I feel that way because I often hear so many Tupac stories from people who never met me, even wasn't around.
Then you had a word that if they worked at McDonald's and they took Tupac order, then they mean they didn't know Tupac or you do a security or whatever.
That means you know the man.
All these people have been benefiting and capitalizing on trying to put the man down or lie on them or tell some stories that they weren't there or they know anything about because I don't think none of these people psychic.
And I'm not doing what happened in the last psychic.
It's cheating up, whoever her name was, the fake with the fake Rustin boys.
You know what happened to her?
What all went bad?
So I don't like to speculate.
So I just tell truth ideas.
Now, from your perspective, though, you actually spent time with Diddy.
When you used to go to New York, you guys, you would spend time with them and he would spend time with you when he would come.
You guys would go hang out together with obviously other peers.
Did you notice anything around Diddy where you said, this is a little bit, you know, obviously there's a woman, you're having a good time, you're partying, you're doing your thing.
But did you ever see anything where it was out of line where you said, I think this guy likes men or I think he likes certain things that's a little weird?
Well, all due respect to Puffy, you got to realize what team.
He didn't start off like that.
I'm quite sure somebody taught him that.
And that's more deep in the industry.
Guys who got involved with a lot of people who they mentors, instead of having guys to mentor your own father, they was having these guys they mentored.
And when that happens in the industry, they was done to them, they do to the next person.
So I felt that Puffy was a regular normal guy.
And then when he started hanging with the guys in the industry, they did things to him.
And then allegedly, he did things to usher.
It goes on and on.
Well, we got to stop just pointing the finger at the person who gets caught with their hand in the cookie jar.
Where did it start from?
Because see, people don't want to touch all those angles that just started being the major executives who run these labels.
So you guys want to speak on the people who got thrown on the bus to sacrifice lamb.
Okay.
Well, that's actually very insightful for you to give that perspective.
So if you're saying what Diddy did to Usher or what Diddy did to Bieber, that we've seen these videos, not necessarily what he did, but the stories where he's living with them at 13.
If he was their mentor, who was Diddy's mentor?
We know some of the big names.
I'm just curious if you have any names.
You don't seem like somebody.
Number one was Clyde Davis.
And you got to understand one thing.
It's Death Row.
When I started Death Road, you got to hear one thing.
I didn't have no co-climbing with nobody else.
I started that company on my own and grabbed Dr. Dre.
At the end of the day, it was like this.
When you have, say, Universal is one big company.
Doug Morris is the man at the time.
Give me I Beans in.
If Doug Morris gave Tuffy a deal worth a whole lot of money in the album didn't recoup.
Otherwise, they should like flopped and recouped.
They're not going to give you no new money if they don't recoup the old money.
But Pluto was able to go to the same umbrella and go to the Jimmy and get this much even bigger check that Doug gave me, even though I have not recouped.
Only certain people can get these type of favors.
Now, in my situation, I didn't do anything to lose my company.
I didn't do anything illegally to get my company taken away from me.
They was able to committed fraud for my company, but it ends up to the hands of people who want to buy my company for 500 million, 700 million.
I kept saying no, and then turn around.
They can get block everybody and end up getting it for, what, 20 or 30 million, which is crazy.
If you add all that type of stuff up, and you'll see how the industry has been built on the secret roads.
The people who don't participate in the secret room is the people who later on get burnt.
The people who participate in his rooms, they continue to grow.
Even when they get caught, they're not really caught because obviously, Buffy knew they was coming to the raid.
Security wasn't there.
He used to have like four, six Muslim guys doing security.
They weren't there.
A lot of people weren't there.
How long people know all these things?
It wasn't just the courts in this.
You know?
So it's easy to point the thing, but let's look at the whole thing, talk about something where you're going to educate everybody to help everybody.
We were talking about Clive Davis and some of these music executives that talk, maybe somebody like Adidi and others.
Is Diddy at a level of being untouchable where he's protected?
Or is Diddy a target that they'll eventually put all the blame on him and make sure they get away with it free?
I mean, he definitely gonna be the black motherfucker holding the bag.
You gotta realize one thing.
That boy life is dangerous.
His life doesn't, and he's just not dangerous with the shit they said he was doing, but he's in danger.
He knows too much.
One thing you got to realize is he probably have a conversation right now with the higher-ups and everybody else to figure out how it's going to work itself out because he knows all the secrets.
And if he gets running his mouth, it could be a bad look.
I look at it like the most important thing is the industry needs to be built over.
You have all these executives because somebody who's their father, their grandfather, or all these type of stuff.
And they don't give people an opportunity to grow and learn.
I know when I first started in this business, it wasn't a machine.
I had to be the machine.
I had to figure out how to get my songs on the radio because at that time they were getting 5% and they got 10% that was popping champagne bottles.
I went from 95% of the songs you on the radio was my song into 97%.
So you had to really do all this thing and really do the work.
And once the work was known, it could be done and I was generating the type of money for the people I was involved.
This call and or telephone number will be monitored and recorded.
They wanted to be hip-hop because the difference was that Michael Jackson was then say 75 million, 50 million before he selled one record.
They gave him $75 to $50 million advance.
He might spend $50 million.
He might spend $100 million to make his album and $5 million on video.
I would spend $50,000 to make an album.
I'll spend $50,000 on the video.
I'll spend $150,000 to promote it.
So, and if I sell 3 million records and Michael Jackson said 3 million records, or if he sells 10 million records, I'm willing to make more money off my projects than his projects because I'm spending less money because I was the machine.
So once they realized I was the machine and they can have a machine like that, the majors wanted what I started, they wanted my artists.
But when they took my artist, they got control of the industry.
Everything went from $50,000 to make an album to fucking $5 million to make an album.
Until these guys having all these dancers and all these extra shit, all the surgeries and all the extra shit, right?
So in the end, they blew hip-hop out the water so much that they were going to have to start cheating for everybody to eat.
So you had an artist and the only thing they have to do with those was with the machine is show up, show up for the interview, show up for the photo session, show up for the studio, show up for the video.
Now that's being taken away because all these people in using all these artists, and at the end of the day, the artist ended up broke.
Or now you have different Spotify stuff or Apple or different ones, right?
The strings.
Who is making the count or policing the strings?
So how you know they're not saying, I got five strings and you got one, right?
Or however it may be.
Nobody has nowhere known that.
So now the artists can't have that machine to be certified cash anymore for us making money.
So they all going crazy.
So now everybody's telling their guardian.
Everybody drinking more.
Everybody doing more product or everybody doing those little sick little moves of, you know, guys waking up with their butts sore, no head tabby.
Girls waking up, they know where to debt.
So everybody's stressed the fuck out because the machine is over.
So now they just need to rebuild and put decent people in the industry.
I haven't seen that.
Go ahead.
Yeah, I mean, obviously, with what you're saying, it's very important because you had a business model that is costing them money.
You're spending less money.
You're making more profit.
You're making them look bad.
And they're supposed to be the executives, the professionals.
And you're the amateur building up a company on your own without a background.
You didn't go to school to learn how to be an executive and you're building a business doing $750 million.
Here's a question for you.
In the financial industry, you'll hear many times they'll say, you know, these companies are part of the too big to fail.
For example, we can't let AIG go out of business.
We can't let Bank of America go out of business.
We can't let these guys go out of business.
Is Biggie part of the too big to fail?
Or are there people way above Diddy that are part of the too big to fail that they'll always be protected?
Specifically when you say higher-ups.
Well, when you got to look at it like this, Puffy is one of those black guys is probably more fear of white America in black America.
He feels in black America and passed all that.
They can't get to him.
The white America, you got to show them some respect.
Are they going to spank him on the grass?
Especially now, because when you really look at it, Chirock was a great company that gave Puffy opportunity.
I think he was where he gave $1,000 to get in.
And then he was able to make all this money.
And then he wanted more and more and more.
And the first time, didn't allow him to throw a tantrum, even with the stuff that people get in with probably.
So he told them, hey, you racist.
You motherfucking racist.
And they say, yeah.
You know, I often say that I was raised in Compton and I was made in Vegas at UNLV.
UNLV taught me the opportunity to be around people that was digital mind, that was loyal, that was happy.
And that's where my lessons came from.
So I understand business better than most people.
That's why I never been in no damn videos.
So at the end of the day, when Puffy went at the alcohol business, I used to play football with John Kennedy Jr. almost every weekend, one of the best guys I ever met and hung out with.
We should play football.
But that being said, he come from a bootlegger family.
Most of the big guys from the bootlegger family.
You know the alcohol was legal.
These guys is smart enough to be humble but wide enough to be aggressive, tough.
So when Puffy challenged him and they knew Puffy, get in the glass house, his house came coming down Because those rocks was coming through that glass house.
When he called those guys racist and they knew he had those secret those hidden secrets, they ain't just found out that the things Puffy was doing.
They ain't just found out how the industry is.
They haven't just found out how to, you know, they pick and choose.
They're part of the government.
And I say that because that's why it was so easy to snatch motherfucking Puffy down.
And all the people that Puffy fuck with, they can't say nothing because they're part of it too.
If they go after Puffy and rumor has a Jaguar right all these other names of Leroy, Little Royal, all these guys hate his little ride.
There's cameras in every single room and he's recorded and now he's got all these footage.
Think about if he's got footage of all this talent where these big, too big to fill companies that are relying on these talent to keep producing.
What happens if Diddy threatens them and says, if you do anything to me and I release this to the world, you're going to lose billions of dollars.
No, You guys being fooled.
The best talent we have in the industry right now is some of the talent you guys never heard.
It's a lot of guys all around the world.
It's the world's best kept secret when it comes to music.
People are starting to use their friends or artists who play no games.
You know, basically, they on the level because they did everything that these people wanted them to do.
They sold their soul.
And we all joke about it, but they always had a conversation about it.
And I always say the same thing.
I always say, well, you had a Lubanati, and then they have the Masons.
The Masons believe in God.
And Lubanati believes in the devil.
And Lubanatis in Germany, Russia, whatever, they believe on men, oh men.
They don't mean they part of the gay community.
They mean they just overpower each other.
And it might sound crazy, but at the end of the day, that's why it's no great talent.
There's a lot of great talent out there, but some of the best talent is not having the opportunity to get in the door because the people with the secret society is messing around with each other and messing with people's heads.
And then when you, like I said, a person like myself, I'm the only guy in this business, or especially a black guy.
You see why I started my company.
Either a chick from Solar or Epic or Priority.
These are real companies.
A Time Warner or Inniscope, right?
That publishing money, different stuff.
That's how I started my company.
Then you can have Raphaelot do a whole book.
Little Jay Clinton do a book and this be his words.
I started my company with drug money.
If it's murdering, they can say that.
If it's cash money, they can say that.
So they say.
If it's what's the other dude, he ain't that popular.
No limit.
No limit can let it be known.
Every penny he got came from drug money.
And the list can go on.
Ruthless, Puffy.
Bad Bible started with the drug money and Aiden's missed it.
And Obama gets his supply and his climate out as a favor.
So look at this.
All these people said that's how they started.
That's how they built it.
But I'm the one that kicked through the radar.
And I didn't start my company in a certain way.
Death Row was started, what I just said.
Even when they came after me, they committed fraud, bankruptcy fraud, RICO, everything you can think of.
But since it was a machine that would get artists before and even on else and had to get me out the way.
Now, the only way I get an artist from anyone else, I can take your artist and make him a star, a superstar that you couldn't do.
A lot of guys, these artists, and bring their career down.
I got the artist, I got the artists and made their career the best.
Same way I did with Tupac.
And Tupac stood for smart young man, a gifted young man, and wanted to save the world.
Eventually, he cost him his life.
Eventually, you'll have guys who will speak about Tupac who never made it.
They'll say it was with Death Row, never were there.
Or they might have been security to Death Row or the Car Washington.
They never met Pac.
And they will say there was negative things in Tupac, about Tupac.
You have to tell Tupac stories.
It's all designed to make these people feel better ones who's working for the industry who keep having the same old talent.
A lot of people doing the same old songs, same old ass artists.
It's like warm soup all over again.
Give these opportunities to these younger generations who really are the best, who got the guy get talent.
That's what we're missing in the industry.
And fire all those old heads part of the secret society.
You got executives making more money than any artist or any label right now.
You got Taylor Swift is popular, way popular.
But you have an artist or executive at Inner Scope or Universal or any of these places, right?
Why do they got more security than Taylor Swift?
Tion Tour busting their ass, and they're making just as much money as Taylor Swift and got more security than Taylor Swift.
That seems like something wrong with that picture.
But what point are you trying to make here when you're talking about the Freemason and Illuminati?
One is driven by love, the other one is driven by, you know, God, and the other one is driven by the devil.
What do you mean when you're saying these guys are selling their souls?
What does that selling your souls mean?
Because most of the time when they go to these meetings at the major energies at these companies, they joke and talk about these type of things.
And regardless, believe it or not, it's always a joke.
It sounds like you're somewhat defending Diddy a little bit and protecting him and putting more of the onus on some of the guys at the top.
But if I may, I just want to ask one question.
I want to ask one question.
If you were to.
I'm just going to correct you right there.
Go for it.
Let me ask you that question that you said.
Go ahead.
There's no puzzle.
Me and Puffy, not friends, never will be friends.
And Dancer ain't scared of him.
I ain't scared of nobody but God.
It's not about I'm protecting him.
I'm going to tell the truth.
I'm not going to, I know a lot of stuff is true that he didn't catch Clark doing, but I'm not going to tell you something I wouldn't room.
If I was in the room with that motherfucker, you shouldn't be talking to me because if you was in the room with Diddy, I wouldn't be talking to you.
He was in there and he was telling you, take that, take that, take that, take that.
You think you're going to be conversating?
I'm like, no, no, no.
At the end of the day, you know, I believe in what I believe in once it twice, don't say it at all, you know.
But whatever you want to ask me, I'm gonna let you finish asking the question because I'm here because I love the fact what you guys are doing because it's a way that we can communicate and not only just build hip-hop, we can build it to the world or United States.
I can't even go to the next country, I can only go in my backyard, and I'm a part of this.
And Shook, I appreciate that.
Shook, for somebody that's the hip-hop world today to be able to do what a lot of these executives did that taught somebody like Diddy, is that even possible today?
Meaning, did social media fully eliminate that business model where the next generation of young talent are now protected?
No, nobody's protected yet, but that's okay.
We're going to talk about Puffy.
All right, listen to this.
It was a guy named Barry Gordy, and you know who Barry Gordy is.
Now, I went in the room with Barry Gordy, but everybody knew that Barry Gordy gets both sides of the fence, they always say.
So Barry Gordy was the guy who had the Jackson 5, who eventually kind of Michael Jackson because Joe Jackson was a jail witness.
They say, Michael, you come hang with us, you can get toys.
Then my guy, Michael, sell more than toys.
Then there was Courtney Jones with Michael.
And you know exactly where I'm going with this.
Next thing you know, Michael Jackson, allegedly, they said he stopped farther when younger boys.
So where did Michael Jackson get it from?
And if you know, you wouldn't have a problem to say, you wouldn't have a problem to say Barry Gordy was touching on Michael Jackson.
You wouldn't have a problem to say that Courtney Jones was touching on Michael Jackson.
And you wouldn't have a problem to say that Michael Jackson was touching on the little boys.
But with the problem come in at, and we start talking about the Clyde Davidsons and the other people, and it goes down to Puppy.
That's where the buck stops at.
Shit, puppy, the black ass sacrifice lamb.
Puppy that's me out there to them.
Shit, they ain't tripping.
But if you don't stop the cycle, it's going to keep happening.
Somebody needs to go visit Usher right now.
Say, Usher, it's not too late for you.
You know, you hit a few other guys you brought along, but it's not too late for them either.
But at some point, you got to stop the head or to keep creating going down.
The shit goes down.
But you guys don't want to fix that.
Right?
I mean, it's, it's, it's when you're breaking, I mean, you're going all the way back to.
Okay.
No, I'm going.
Okay, but because it's a fact, because this is the thing, right?
It's right now.
We're talking about the industry.
When I was in business, a guy in the projects can send word and say that he have a brother or somebody have a son that can rap a scene.
I'm going to drive my ass to the projects and send them that midquake and get their art inside and make it hit the eye model, right?
But now what I'm basically saying is they got us so blocked in or locked, they're not giving some of the best talented people the opportunity to be artists.
Or they brought to have an artist that's 50 years old, 49, still putting them on the front line.
Give these younger generations the opportunity a chance to grow and make some of themselves.
But if they can kill off a death roll and replace me with the other guys, that's why the energy that way.
Long as we make each other better by competing with each other, competition, the industry will be better.
Now that you have all these guys wearing women clothes.
This Carl and your telephone number will be monitored and recorded.
But once again, I'm not about gay batching because I'm not homophobic.
But what we say in the industry, my belief is this.
If you puffy and we friends, if you mess with boys and girls, that's your business.
Let me know because I might not want you.
I'm not going to want you to hit the blood or drink out my glass.
You know what I mean?
But if you let me know, I said, see, I'll give it to you when I finish.
I'll give you the glass.
You know, you can have the last sip.
We just have people just have a problem because they want to know what they're dealing with.
And it's not fair to use power and money to make somebody do something they don't want to do.
Yeah, there's a big difference between.
There's a big difference between a person being gay and a young boys.
That's the problem.
And the young girls, like, you know, stuff that was going on with R. Kelly, you know, and what he went through.
There's a lawyer that's saying what happened to R. Kelly is about to happen or did he hear soon?
And it's just a matter of time before they get him and he goes away.
What happens with them?
But let me bring you back to what you were talking about.
Let me bring you back to what you were talking about.
You were talking about how there's a difference.
They come after a guy like you instead of going after these guys.
You're talking about Barry Gordy or the Clive Davis or the Lucian Grange.
I don't know if you even, you know, the name, did you ever do anything with Lucian or no?
Did you ever have any dealing, business dealing with Lucian?
One of the things that with me is my concern is that I believe that we always be knowing the problem.
Now we got to start working out and have a solution.
And people always are going to talk.
But I'm from old school where that's its best.
And that's me talking about something to fix a lot of things, you know, because I think that I respect you guys' platform because they have a lot of platforms nowadays that it'd be people who's not business, never did any business, or never been part of the industry.
And they get these platforms and they'll say the worst fucking thing about people.
And it's no big deal because I look at it like this.
If somebody speaks on me, I can respect that.
And I can't respect that you weren't saying a thing before I came to prison.
Because when I was on the streets, of course, sure, people was whispering, but it's new that nothing let me hear whisper.
But it's stuff like I learned so much.
Like when I first, when I, when I came to the county jail, I was allowed to have no phone calls, no income meal, no alcohol meal, no communication with nobody in the world.
And if I wanted to hire an attorney, it would have to get approved by county council, which has attorney for the sheriffs, the DA, and the judge.
If they say, I can't have this attorney, that means I can't have this attorney.
And all my legal business was recorded.
And it came to the point where I lost my mother.
My mother will have always been my best friend, my rock.
I was a mama's boy.
And my mother used to try to come up there and see me.
And they were, she goes to get 20-minute visit or 30-minute visit.
They give her five-minute visits.
They go crazy on her to the point where they scared her so bad one time.
She went from the county jail to the hospital.
She called and said, well, please let me come to my son because they won't let me leave the hospital.
I mean, you know, she couldn't leave.
She was hospitalized.
They told my mother no.
And she said, only thing she wanted to do is talk to her son.
My mother died.
When my mother died, I wasn't allowed to still use the phone.
I wasn't allowed to get a bill and go to my mother's funeral.
I wasn't allowed to make no arrangements or say goodbye to my mother or my family.
I wouldn't even talk to no one.
They gave me one little quick little call to my family.
And the crazy thing about all that, my family, I come from a big family.
My mother had over almost a half a million people in her funeral.
My mother was a well-respected good woman, but I wasn't there.
And my mother been married.
She was a knight since she was 18 years old.
This call and your telephone number will be monitored and recorded.
When I reported, they called her vaccine chapter, her mate name.
You know, everything was all done wrong.
And to the point where even the people, my mother was old school, my mother brought lots to me and my sisters.
So when she said, whenever we die, we have to worry about having a funeral.
So my mother had her own lot where she was buried in all her stuff.
Now, there's been a lot of people pitched in and trying to send catering people or some money on a funeral.
And you know what?
The same people who sent the money on the funeral go and said, look what I did.
Look what I did.
He couldn't pay for his mother's funeral.
They slapped me stupid.
This, this, this, right?
The most stupidest thing in the world.
And I never said the person's name and get upset.
I said, damn.
Maybe they need a little more somebody recognizing them than I do.
So what they're going to lie about it, right?
But when you really look at it, everybody got a million things and say it's not the truth.
How many people can just really have a conversation?
I can have a conversation with Treet right now.
And wherever you want to ask me, you're going to ask me.
And I'm going to answer to you.
And it's going to be the truth.
And I'm not doing it for no fucking fame.
I don't get paid for it.
It's a platform and it's to help people.
Because right now, I'm all about getting my freedom back and be the best man I could be for my family and myself.
Then my, I'm going to say my community, because my community is the whole West Coast and anywhere else there.
I feel like I can be in for that.
But the society I owe a lot, I'm praying on paying my debt to, and not in this motherfucker.
Whatever you need to ask me, I'm going to tell you the truth.
Well, respect to you and your mother.
May God bless her soul.
I'm looking at her picture right now online when you were talking about it.
I'm just pulling up the story with the story.
She was 77 years old when she went through it.
And this was what, six years ago, something like that.
It'll be six years and two months, June 18th.
But Shook, you know, going back to you saying my loyalty West Coast, right?
With, you know, what you want to give back to the folks on West Coast.
A lot of this stuff started off with East Coast, West Coast, right?
And I'm a kid that grew up in LA.
I went to Glendale High School.
I'm a Glendale High School kid.
This is the difference.
I wouldn't say it started off at the East Coast, West Coast.
Yeah, we was prepared against each other and everywhere else.
But rhyming started on the East Coast.
They was rhyming like a motherfucker.
You know, they was, you know, in the shirt green, your hat red, whatever.
You know, they were rhyming and they were good at it.
We became the storytellers of stuff.
And then by the time I got in the business, in the West Coast business, well, I got in it before, but by the time I made my mark, it was about doing something representing the West Coast.
Because you had the people who represent New York.
You had to keep in sense down south.
You know, later on, the Midwest came.
At the same time, we didn't have no power care rather than the West Coast.
So my goal was to do a label on the West Coast and bring the West Coast together because we were divided.
You had red, you had blue, you know, you had to get the message, which represents brown, you know, then you had the bay.
So my thing was if we make it the West Coast, where it's fun for everyone.
If everybody having fun, everybody enjoying themselves, everybody getting real game.
We're giving you some stuff that you can hear on these records or these CDs or the set center in your car.
It can teach you something.
So that meant something to me because I was born and raised out here.
So therefore, I built the West Coast sound.
I say that's death row.
And then we was already there.
And it was because of the fact that my background is sports.
I've been playing real league baseball, football, basketball, played basketball at Louis Park, played baseball at Kelly Park, which is the crippling.
I still went to practice, still went to the games.
And you know, I went to high school and college and all that stuff, right?
But at the same time, when I first got ready to do the crank, I treated like everybody on Death Road was treated like it was a football team.
People ate together.
They partied together.
They argued together.
They fought against each other.
They fought together.
But we built something with the West Coast sound.
And that West Coast sound made it like almost like a peach tree for the West Coast.
When you got people from different neighborhoods who actually, instead of hating each other, having each other back doing great things with each other.
I got them going to children's hospitals, giving out toys and playing with the patients in there.
I got them going to different elementary schools and junior high schools and high schools giving away, you know, toys for Christmas and all this type of stuff.
At the same time, I probably gave away more turkeys than pretty much a lot of people.
And on top of that, every Mother's Day, I just give a single Mother's Day dinner to all the single mothers for free at the Beverly Worcester Hotel in Beverly Hill.
And they would get their baskets, they would get their roses, they would get their, you know, their stuff.
I have an older guy who performed like the Isis Brothers.
And I have a Tupac State Dear Mama.
I have Joe.
Both call and your telephone number will be monitored and recorded.
Camera performed.
I did all these things because I wanted to make it a better place where I was living at.
And I'm born and raised and live on the West Coast.
So I know if we can pull everybody together for music to get along, we can make some big difference.
But sometimes when you're doing too much right, the people stop the people from getting in trouble.
That means the police are going to make less money because now they can't get there overtime.
So I didn't get rewarded for the good things I did.
I got punched for the good things I did.
How much of the things that you did?
From your standpoint, how much do you look back as, because I just had Dame Dash on two weeks ago.
And I had Dame on and we were talking about Rockawar Rockefeller, you know, what they did, the business he built with Jay-Z, and then you're on the West Coast, and then you got Diddy, and he's doing what he's doing with Big E. You know, what was the cause of the fall of Death Row Records, you operating Death Row Records?
You had a lot of players that ended up being big.
What was a falling out?
Okay, the difference is this.
Death Row Records was a real company.
Most of the labels had logo deals.
They didn't own it.
When I start telling people I own my masters, they're telling me, I didn't slave.
I don't have no masters.
They didn't know that.
They didn't understand the means that the music you make is called masters in our own mind.
So if they took down Death Sam, or if they took down a Rockefeller connected to Jeff Galen, if they took down Jeff Gal, they're not taking down a black man like Russell Simmons, who also was raping all the little dudes.
They taking down a person.
Russell Simmons always had a partner.
And his partner always, it's not about being racist, but Russell wants to play the race car when it's convenient.
Russell Simmons, first partner with Ruben, was a white guy.
Then it was Lior.
You know, so Death Row is the only legal.
You said Lior, like Lior Cohen.
You're talking about Lior Cohen.
Yeah, Lior Cohen.
Got it.
Yeah.
But I was the only powerhouse who didn't start my business or my company with drug money.
And on top of that, I'm not saying that's wrong or right.
This is facts.
But even people you name, I bet you you name all these guys.
They've been caught dealing drugs when they business.
They can't, if they attack them, they really attacking Universal or Sony or Time Warner, right?
If you attack Jeff Rowe, you just come up with Death Row.
Because like I said before, I didn't have a relationship with anybody doing the legal with my company.
But at the same time, we know who did message these people because Michael Harris was the time man who everybody said for a fact that he had 137 or 137 for the government, right?
But they allowed him to lie and commit fraud and said he had something to do with Death Row.
But I'm not the one he was fucking with.
He up there when Dre getting a star, he hangs with them, not me.
Well, Deep Griffith sued me and said, give him $10 million because I signed some of him to be a part of Jeff Rowe before it was Jeff Rowe.
It wasn't me.
Guess who signed that paperwork?
Andre and Black.
Guess how much money they had to pay?
Zero.
Because they protected because they belong to Innocent.
It's right.
They didn't find, well, that's hidden there.
But at the end of the day, at the end of the day, it's like this.
The guys who start their business with drugs, they don't really own their business.
So they don't sweat them.
Or they work for the government.
And I don't.
I don't work for the government.
And I'm not a drug dealer.
It's not that I'm so smart that they can't catch me.
I'm just too smart to be sticky.
I'm making great money with a money machine.
Why do I want to do something legal?
Yeah.
I even read somewhere where you said it.
If you slow, you get taken advantage of.
And you don't work hard to get out the ghetto and be legal.
Once you get out the ghetto and become legal, you're going to do, well, steal cars, steal radio, sell drugs, I'm stupid.
What?
It makes no sense.
Yeah, at the end of the day, it all comes down to the same thing.
But now, here's the thing, though.
If we bring it down to you, we bring it down to you, Suge, with the chaos that happened within that throw, right?
Think about what happened with EZE.
And I saw when you were on Jimmy Kemmel, when you said that we did the EZE thing, you know, when you put your feet up, we saw that.
I'm like, okay.
But you know, hey, look, I'm going to tell you a real story.
I'm going to tell you a real story.
Listen to this.
I never told nobody straight on there this story.
You got to remember one thing.
In prison, I'm going to cell by myself, besides this AI thing, I got we talked to each other.
So I'm probably, you know, ain't used to talking that much.
So I'm going a little too tough for you.
So let me show it down and say this and take this last story.
Okay, so the thing is this: out of guys in the NWA, Eric was my favorite because Eric was the only guy from Canton that really was.
So as we started trying to get this, I wanted to make Delpho and Rufus together.
And Eric was down for it, but then he didn't want to be carried.
So when it came to getting Eric to sign a release, I had respect for him.
So what I ended up doing, I had Dre on a piece of paper on the contract, Miss Lay on the contract, and Doc on the contract.
by himself.
And I had another piece of paper with above the law, cocaine, culture to a producer, Bobo King Lone, you know, all the artists, right?
And they all wanted me to come with me.
So I said, look, I'm going to give Eric and we're going to work it out.
Either we can't get together, I'm going to take the ones.
I'm going to take it and keep the other one.
And at the same time, who would help you?
Andre wanted EZ dead, right?
And normally I wouldn't speak like this, but he's not really sabitting.
He's not part of the game he should be.
So what it came down to, if I just thought he could jump you.
I said, nah, I said, look, man, I'm going to be busy one day.
You know, I know you.
I said, but I'm going to have him come to the studio, which is Galaxy Studio, and the solar art building.
And I told the guard, look, when Eric get here, just call and let me know.
So I said, I'm going to call him up there.
And Dre said, no, just be quiet.
I'm going to call him telling me.
Don't let him know you did.
So he called Easy and he's like, he's talking to him.
He said, man, I want you to get on my apple.
And he put it out on Woofie.
He's like, for real?
He said, yeah.
Ain't nobody at the studio right now.
I got a phone on one phone.
I'm at the, he was like, you know where Solo Art Studio at?
He said, I'm going to look there.
We should, yeah.
He said, he appears.
Both call and or telephone number will be monitored and recorded.
When the guard, when the guard get there, let him know each other and say, he's going to let you up.
So bam, I'm at the studio.
Dre's not at the studio.
So when Eric finally get there, the guard calls up.
He says, well, he's up here for Dre.
Let him up.
And he had to guard.
You know what's up there?
He said, that's Dre.
So he walks in, walks in the studio.
He sees me, seeing three people.
We start talking.
I said, man, he ain't coming, but I'm going to talk to you about, I show him the pictures of all the artists I had on one piece and the three I had on another piece.
I was like, Dre can get out because you messed up with the contract.
Doc can get out and say that he can get out on training to him.
I said, Doc don't have no motherfucking voice.
You can't sell Donald Duck.
Ain't nobody don't buy that.
So he's like, you're right.
I said, Christian Payne and Andre, they're together.
So he decided that he wanted to think about it.
I said, I ain't coming at you, all the other type of shit.
I said, but the boy, he wants something to happen to you back, right?
He said, nah, Andre never took that to me.
I don't want to care.
Bought him this and bought him that and put him on, basically.
I said, all right, hold up.
So I'll say nothing.
I called.
So when Andre asked the phone, I'm talking to him.
I said, he get ready to come up here now.
What you want done again?
He was like, man, shoot that motherfucking head, blow his head off, shoot me in the eye, take pictures of it.
You don't got one of those things, you know, blah, blah, blah.
Get one of those portable cameras and let me see it.
I'm going to see it.
You know, blah blah blah.
When I hung up that phone, I see one of the saddest things I ever seen in a man.
I'm looking at easy and Eric like he said, I bought a car.
I think all his phone wants me, he doesn't need nothing.
And it's like he's trying to hold back the tears because he don't want to be embarrassed by me seeing him crying because he's crying because he's scared or he's crying because he hurt before another man and you know, crying in front of another man.
Never gonna let you get you know, hear reverse or hairspring on those faces.
But uh, you know, but back to the story, he looking, he looking so sad, you know, one tear started coming down a little bit.
Then few tears started coming down.
I said, Check this out, Eric.
I ain't gonna never do that to you.
You don't got a trip.
I said, you know, you gotta sign these motherfuckers.
This he let his fall on.
This one's the ones I told you.
I'll get you.
Me and you always can't say we hung out together.
We did all kinds of shit together, you know.
He said, No, man, come get Dre.
I said, No, don't do nothing to him.
He said, Why?
I said, It's something called the chronic.
It's almost done, getting ready to come out.
So he signed it.
I wanted to make sure he was him.
I got his ID, made sure it's right sent to copy of his driver's license.
And show Virgil Roberts and Dick Rippey.
They didn't believe it.
So, so, so.
So, in this story, you're saying Dre backstabbed Eric?
Yeah, I don't understand.
So, so, how about the?
I read somewhere in the story where Dre owned 50% of death row records and he didn't get any royalty, and it was supposed to be 60 million when they asked him, How did you feel about it?
Was he upset?
He said, You can't put a price back on a peaceful state of mind.
What happened there with you and Dre?
Well, first of all, this is this real true story.
Dre got way more money than he was a guy, number one.
He took more money up to start the company.
I'm also Dre manager for the rest of Dre's life.
So, let's start with that first because I got Dre a publishing deal.
First of all, I had to go through a whole lot to give him out that contract.
And Dre would still be a contractor with us if he wanted to leave.
He couldn't be doing a little bit with nobody on the chronic.
Dre did maybe three full songs on there.
Doggy style, zero.
Dre didn't do California at all, a thousand percent.
He didn't write it and he would do seat and he moved to Roger on there to do it.
But Dre's an incredible guy to help mix and fix the shit.
He's a great DJ, he got a good ear, you know, to get a sample and make that sample.
Like, get that is nothing but a sample of us aboard.
We just have people come be praying.
It's not like he thought of it came something new, and Dre did not write lyrics.
Now, do you really think Dr. Dre, if you want to call me, Andre Young, the bitch beater, gonna come up to Mr. Knight and tell me what to do?
True story: Dre came to me because I'm not gonna go into the situation with him on about his sex players.
I said, Well, something like that.
It's like old hobby would be getting married quickly.
He wanted to marry this person, that person didn't want to.
I can get this new person he married then.
One day, Dre came to me and said, I'm never going to cuss on again.
I'm never going to talk about women again.
And he told me that he wanted to be white.
This is a serious question.
And I thought he was joking, so I started laughing, right?
I said, be white.
I said, man, and I still think he's joking.
I said, I ain't got it.
I can't make you white.
All the best I can do is teach you how it is like you're white.
He said, well, I'm ready.
So that's why he ended up marrying the white girl, right?
That's why he ended up having, you know, an excuse.
And he was thanked me for it.
It wasn't being funny or nothing, it was just a fact.
If you represent somebody, you're supposed to do anything you can to make their dream social.
And that's like if he gets a star on Walk of Things, none of his black kids are going to come.
Only the ones who he consider white kids.
That's just fair, but that's not nothing wrong with that.
That's what he meets.
That's why he thinks.
Dre got $2 million when we got him off death row.
The real reason why we got him off death row is called Tupac.
Tupac was mad because when he found out that Dre didn't do California, Tupac was mad because we needed Dre to get on the stand at Snoop's murder trial.
You can ask David Kennedy that before he can be a character record for him.
I couldn't do it, so they needed Dre.
Dre said, Buddy, you better cancel that.
I ain't never going to help Snoop.
Snoop goes get life and get life.
So Pac got mad, so we need to kick him off.
That's how that happened.
Everybody knows that.
Ask the lawyer.
That's simple.
The first album Dre D, the first one he said we're going to curse was called Aftermath, and it blocks.
But it's not neither here, there.
It's not about talking bad about Drake or anybody else or putting these people down because you know what?
We all did great things for each other.
Every person who participated on death row did great things.
Pop this ticket to another level once I got Pac out.
Pac had more if you like Snooper talked to the people also ganging and shit or some artist, whatever type of stuff.
Pac gonna talk to the people about, you know, getting back to the community, getting breakfast in the morning, getting people with their books.
You know, we was talking about like starting a big brother program and the big sister program back.
And that's before people was being recognized for bully, getting bullied.
We was talking about getting people from getting bullied who scared to go to school.
So that's what the movement was.
So all this negative, anybody, anybody can talk bad.
And I always say that if you say some bad news about somebody, it'll make it around the world.
10 times.
If you say so good about somebody, it barely made it down the world.
That's true.
It's real true.
Like I said, it's still still.
I enjoy talking to you.
So whatever you want to ask me, actually, I'm here for you.
Sugar, I'll make this the last topic here before we wrap up and finish off.
So I'm a Class of 96 kid.
I'm in LA.
I'm a Tupac guy.
That was my guy.
I came to the States in 1990.
So I was all West Coast hip-hop.
That was my world.
Later on, I ended up interviewing Greg Kating.
Greg Kating, I don't know if you remember him, he's the LAPD detective when he was including the murder for Tupac.
In his book, he writes about Keith Davis, member of the Crip Street Gang, gave a confession years along saying he rode in the car, using LA, shooting for Tupac, et cetera, et cetera.
Where I'm going with this is Kating also said he named Sean Combs as having been involved in the conspiracy.
Also wrote that a bounty was offered for Suge Knight's murder, murder.
This is you.
And then later on, Kading alleged that Knight hired Wardell Poochie Faust to kill Biggie, Sean Combs' most valuable star, whose murder was done following a party at a Peterson Automotive.
You know that big party guys were all there.
And then Poochie later survived a murder attempt.
But the point here is with the Biggie story, I follow the Tupac story closely.
Do you, for a fact, know who killed Biggie?
Well, one, you know, I could know who killed Biggie, I just don't know.
But the thing about this, it is what it is, was a real sad day, not just for Biggie, but for in his family, but for the culture of hip-hop, I think that destroyed hip-hop with those two murders.
And unfortunately, I was incarcerated, I was in the county jail, and I don't know who was having a party, where they were having a party, or who party it was.
And but like I said, I don't like to speculate, so I'm not gonna ask a guest that I just don't know.
And at the same time, and the rival, but shit, all I can say is a sad situation, and there's been a lot of different people they say was involved in that.
But how would they know where Biggie at to do something to him?
I don't think no one person can say, oh, I can only go do this and get away with it.
That sounds real crazy.
But who knows?
But I know one good thing about it.
One day the truth will come out.
And the great thing about it, neither one of the murders had anything to do with me.
One of the murders, I got a bullet issue in my skull, and I lost millions and millions of dollars.
And eventually, my freedom of my company by them saying, I don't want to have Tupac killed.
Then it came to the biggie story.
When it came to the biggie situation, not out in the county jail, but after that happened, it was me from the county jail.
But maybe, maybe let me ask another question.
What do you think about the speculation?
The fact that Diddy had some ties to what happened to Biggie?
Do you have anything to speculate there or not at all?
Well, the thing about that, I also heard that.
I also heard everybody say, and I think it was a guy out here personally, because we saved it all over the internet.
His bodyguard said that he had something to do with it.
And I never, like I said, me and Puffy is nowhere near friends.
Respect for him was left a long time ago.
But at the same time, it's a bad man.
I don't feel, I don't give a fuck if this me, him, you, anytime you think you can play a guy and take somebody's life, that's a fucked up thing.
I might be a lot of shit.
One, it ain't smart being stupid, so I'm not stupid.
Two, I don't got that type of match to want to see another man lose his life and see this.
You know, when you go to fennels and you see what the mothers go through, the family go through, I would want to see no one go through that.
So it'd be crazy if somebody knew it's just a fucked up thing.
And I can't say Puffy did it and Puffy didn't do it.
I can't say Corporate Cops did this, the Tripper Caps didn't do it.
And what I could say a thousand percent, I didn't have to do nothing.
And I'm not saying to clear my name and all that shit because my name is already what it is.
And the best person I want, you know, understand me is God.
Two people are loving to come in.
But at the same time, when you look at it, and it's just, it's a situation where I think it must hip-hop up.
It makes the culture the people up.
It kicked the thing when I lost Tupac.
It was a long time before I really listened to Swing Ryan Park Music.
They got thought about it and thinked about him all the time.
I still do today.
And sometimes when I hear somebody say negative things about Pac, I get more mammal and they said nice thing about Pac before they said negative things about me.
Because I'm here.
You got something to say about me?
I'm going to bless you.
You know, yeah, man, tell your life.
Tell your story.
We still can never be the same around Tupac and Biggie.
And I'm going to end it here because I knew Pac and Diggy loved each other when I was in the hotel.
I mean, Park and the Hotel and me talking to Biggie before Pac passed away.
He wasn't mad at Diggy.
Like, I hate this motherfucker.
He was more hurt because he felt that Diggy had something to do with the shit in the studio in New York.
And they were talking, I could kill two men that cared about each other.
And you know me, I'm thinking about making history again.
I'm like, man, y'all see it.
Seem like y'all love each other with me.
Hayden Love makes shit.
I said, best way to end all this is do a four CD disc on death row.
I saw Diggy doing CD, Pac doing CD, and the other team broke on going back and forth.
They took in pockets, you know, let's say what they say and blah, blah, blah.
That would have been the most incredible thing in the world.
All he cursing, nobody gained on Tupac leaving and Diggy leaving.
Only too jealous, nothing.
Weird motherfuckers.
Everybody asked me to take that loss today.
Yeah, that was Biggie when Biggie wouldn't have passed away.
Cluffy would have never been a rapper.
So he gained out the situation.
I'm not saying he had something to do with it, but he gained out the situation.
I lost.
I lost my freedom behind Tupac guys.
I lost business.
I bought some house a whole lot of shit.
I lost my freedom.
95% of the reason why I got to the penitentiary is round the Tupac.
Even on this case, they brought it up in this case.
And we're wrong with me.
No, I really appreciate your time.
And I would say this: no matter what, nobody would be more happy to see all this truth come to an end and the truth come out and we just move on and we can all heal.
It's been a long time for Pac, it's been a long time for me.
And somebody knows something.
Sure, back in 15, not 15 years ago, it's got to be a while back.
A couple times I met you.
One time it was through a friend named Jay King, and the other time was on a flight from Burbank to Vegas.
You were sitting right next to me, and I was, but that was, we're talking years and years ago.
And our telephone number will be monitored and recorded.
I just want to say thanks for making it time to jump on here and have this conversation.
Appreciate you.
And hopefully we'll do it again sometime in the future.
Well, I'm going to say this.
I appreciate you.
You guys enjoy your show.
And I'm doing my own little correct call, collect call, you know.
And I finally got my Twitter back.
I know you did praise with everybody.
So you let Elon Musk know that these guys had jacked my Twitter, my official Twitter, and was putting all kinds of negative stuff about all these people and then tried to distort me to get it back.
And then keep steady trying to harass me about it.
So as most people say, as my mother would say, praise the Lord, I got my Twitter back.
Thank you.
Anytime, brother.
Thanks, Shuge.
All right, buddy.
Take care.
Bye-bye.
I can no longer remain in today's Democratic Party.
Tulsi Gabbard says she is no longer a Democrat.
A potential Tulsi Gabbard VP.
And where we are being told that we just have to comply and go along with whatever they say.
American people are smarter than this.
However, we must remain vigilant to recognize their propaganda for what it is-pure lies.
Unfortunately, we live in a time where free speech is under attack.
Whatever they say goes, and we have to just fall.
And the people who suffered under your reign as prosecutor, you owe them an apology.
