PBD - Patrick Bet-David - Diddy An Informant? The Rock's Endorsement, Owens vs Shapiro w/ Jesse Watters | PBD Podcast

April 6, 2024 - PBD - Patrick Bet-David

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Diddy An Informant? The Rock's Endorsement, Owens vs Shapiro w/ Jesse Watters | PBD Podcast | Ep 391

Patrick Bet-David, Adam Sosnick, Tom Ellsworth, and Vincent Oshana are joined by FOX News host Jesse Watters! Jesse Watters is an American conservative political commentator and a television host on Fox News. He frequently appeared on the political talk show "The O'Reilly Factor" and was known for his man-on-the-street interviews, featured in his segment "Watters' World", which became its own show in 2015. In January 2017, "Watters' World" became weekly, and in April 2017, he became a co-host of the roundtable series "The Five". In 2021, he published his first book, "How I Saved the World." In January 2022, Watters became host of "Jesse Watters Primetime." 00:07 - Show intro 00:39 - Jesse Watters talks about Patrick Bet-David appearing as a guest on "Jesse Watters Primetime." 07:39 - Sean ‘Diddy’ Combs’ Former Bodyguard Claims Music Mogul Had Tapes of “Politicians” and “Princes.” 32:12 - Dwayne ‘The Rock’ Johnson Says He’s Unhappy With State Of America, Will Not Endorse Biden Again. 50:24 - Candace Owens wants to debate Ben Shapiro on freedom of speech at The Daily Wire. 1:09:10 - Border crossings among Chinese immigrants surges as border crisis continues. 1:32:00 - Patrick meets with Barron Trump at Mar-a-Lago for dinner, discusses his father's policies. 1:39:28 - Jesse talks about his rise at FOX News and the current lineup of FOX. 1:44:58 - California businesses take on Gavin Newsom over tax hikes. Purchase $50 of VT Merch, get a FREE Future Looks Bright mug, VT pin, and keychain and qualify to win a signed copy of Jesse's new book: https://bit.ly/49ls1Jt Purchase Jesse's Book "Get It Together: Troubling Tales from the Liberal Fringe": https://bit.ly/49lZl2t Purchase tickets to PBD Podcast LIVE! w/ Tulsi Gabbard on April 25th: https://bit.ly/3VmuaRm Connect one-on-one with the right expert for you on Minnect: https://bit.ly/3MC9IXE Connect with Patrick Bet-David on Minnect: https://bit.ly/3OoiGIC Connect with Adam Sosnick on Minnect: https://bit.ly/42mnnc4 Connect with Tom Ellsworth on Minnect: https://bit.ly/3UgJjmR Connect with Vincent Oshana on Minnect: https://bit.ly/47TFCXq Purchase Patrick's new book "Choose Your Enemies Wisely": https://bit.ly/41bTtGD Register to win a Valuetainment Boss Set (valued at over $350): https://bit.ly/41PrSLW Get best-in-class business advice with Bet-David Consulting: https://bit.ly/40oUafz Visit VT.com for the latest news and insights from the world of politics, business and entertainment: https://bit.ly/472R3Mz Visit Valuetainment University for the best courses online for entrepreneurs: https://bit.ly/47gKVA0 Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! Get PBD's Intro Song "Sweet Victory" by R-Mean: https://bit.ly/3T6HPdY SUBSCRIBE TO: @VALUETAINMENT @vtsoscast @ValuetainmentComedy @bizdocpodcast @theunusualsuspectspodcast Want to be clear on your next 5 business moves? https://bit.ly/3Qzrj3m Join the channel to get exclusive access to perks: https://bit.ly/3Q9rSQL Download the podcasts on all your favorite platforms https://bit.ly/3sFAW4N Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

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	Did you ever think you would make it?
	I know this life meant for me.
	Yeah, why would you bet on Goliath when we got pet dated?
	Value came in, giving values contagious.
	This world of entrepreneurs, we get no value to hate it.
	I'm the one.
	Okay, so we got a special guest in the house.
	Rob, what episode are we on?
	Let me see this here.
	391.
	Oh, God.
	Due to the recent scare of the earthquake that took place in New York, I got a text in the middle of the night saying Jesse Waters was afraid, so he ran off to Florida and says, you guys mind if we do a podcast together?
	So obviously, 4.1, what was it, 4.7, 4.9 in New York?
	That's a lot.
	It felt like a 10.
	It felt like a 10.
	I'm an East Coast boy.
	That was a lot.
	You're not used to it.
	Well, we're from West Coast, so we're used to it.
	That's like a little bit of a flirt, you know, the earth is doing with you.
	But the man has got his second book out, both number one New York Times bestsellers.
	Get it together, troubling tales from the liberal fringe.
	And by the way, right before us getting started, he just told us he has never done a podcast before.
	And this may even be his first podcast, definitely one that's two hours.
	But with that being said, Jesse, it's great to have you on the podcast.
	Thanks so much for having me.
	The only reason I'm doing this is because you are, and I never like to flatter people.
	You are one of the best guests on Jesse Waters primetime because you're prepared.
	You have an unpredictable commentary and you have a lot of energy.
	So I'm only doing this as a quid pro quo.
	So you come on my.
	This is how you negotiate.
	I like that right off the bat.
	You got to come back when we're asking.
	But no, it's great to have you on.
	Obviously, we've watched you for many years from the Waters world and all this stuff.
	And you working with O'Reilly and working your way up and now having the main show within Fox.
	Congratulations to you for having that.
	It shows what happens when you stick around and you do your part.
	Eventually, big opportunities come your way.
	I have not been fired.
	I'm very good at that.
	Okay, so here's what we're going to do today.
	We're going to do a couple things.
	We got a lot of stories to go through that I want to get your thoughts on because you've been on many of these stories.
	Of course, we'll talk about the book as well.
	And FYI, for everybody that hasn't yet ordered a book, New York Time bestseller number one, the link will be below.
	Right there you see it, Rob.
	If you can put it in the description and the comment section so people can place the order right off the bat.
	But here's some of the stories that we got.
	Number one, there's a video that was circulating yesterday.
	Some of you guys, when I play it for you, I have to tell you to close your eyes.
	It's like not earmuffs, it's eye muffs, right?
	Because your kids can't even watch this video.
	There's this public defendant walking around with a couple balloons.
	If you haven't seen it, I don't even want to spoil it for you.
	We'll show it to you here in a minute.
	Diddy is just, it gets worse day after day.
	It's new stories every single time.
	News story came out.
	Diddy, former bodyguard, claims Music Mogul had tapes of politicians and princes.
	I think you also responded to that a couple days ago.
	We got a few other stories about Diddy we'll get into.
	There's a story that came out.
	Jesse Waters warns of dark and dangerous chapter in U.S. says deep states preparing for war.
	But I want to kind of challenge you on that because according to New York Times, it turns out the deep state is actually kind of awesome.
	So you know, where do you get your facts from?
	It's a little bit.
	Yes.
	Anthony Blinken says Ukraine will become a member of NATO.
	I don't know how that's possible.
	If you're in war, can you join NATO while you're at war?
	And if they do join NATO, Article 5, doesn't that mean that they all have to now attack Russia and potentially World War III could be starting and U.S. has to get involved?
	I don't know.
	Obviously, we'll talk about that a little bit.
	Like it's planned.
	Biden tells Israel's net near future, U.s support for war depends on new steps to protect civilians.
	Uh, he continues blinking, uh warns.
	Uh, Israel becoming like Hamas, losing reverence for human life.
	Dr Phil had a couple guests on the october 7 atrocities and uh, it's interesting.
	I don't give a damn why they did it.
	It's wrong.
	You just have to see this exchange.
	It's very intense.
	Uh, we were at dinner last week and we were invited by Baron Trump to go to dinner at Mar-a-Lago and we went, the three of us, and we had a great time with him.
	But a picture was leaked not leaked, posted by Justin Waller that got 40 million views on Twitter and Newsweek is contacting saying, what is this all about?
	They even critiqued the way we were dressed, and can you post it?
	Show the picture of how tall Baron was, you know, amongst all of us?
	Not well, you have to see the rest, but we'll show it to you in a minute.
	We'll maybe even give you a little bit of insight on what our experience was with Barron, and you'll be surprised.
	Some of the stuff is very things maybe you wouldn't have expected.
	Migrants in Mexico say that Biden, they want Biden to win re-election.
	What a noble group of people that they want.
	Illegal migrants want to migrant to want Biden to win election, as they fear this guy named Donald Trump would not let them back into the U.S. Dwayne Johnson was with your colleague right, Will Kane, and he said he's not very happy with the state of America today right, and he said, would you be voting?
	I will not, and a lot of people in Hollywood lost their shit.
	I mean it's pretty crazy, what's going on with that.
	But we'll show the clip and we'll talk about that.
	We'll show the old clip as well, when he endorsed Biden, just to get full commentary.
	A state a lot of us are not considering moving to the state called California businesses.
	Take on Gavin Newsome over tax hikes and, by the way, this is kind of weird.
	So Newsome restaurants job restaurant is offering jobs at 16 bucks an hour, despite the new state laws, $20 an hour for fast food workers.
	I wonder how you get to do that.
	Like it's very strategic.
	You got to give them credit on how strategic being a politician yeah, I mean a guy in the past would have said strategery right, it's like a strategy type of a thing.
	And then what else we got here?
	Let me go to this next one.
	Here we'll talk NATO, we'll talk uh, this Pennsylvania moving in a more positive direction.
	FNM poll that came out.
	Tom's got some thoughts on that.
	And then a little bit commentary on what's going on with Candace and Ben.
	I don't know if you're following that story closely with the two of them going back and forth.
	I think there could be a possible sit down, but the negotiation is a little bit intense.
	We made our offers on what the negotiation negotiation is going to be, but it is what it is okay.
	Before we get into it, a couple things, uh, Jesse's got we got three signed books from Jesse here.
	Get it together.
	Here's how it works.
	On getting it together uh one, we're gonna do a.
	Uh uh, a raffle.
	I think next tuesday, rob is what we'll do.
	And future looks bright gear.
	Anybody that places an order 50 or more today the first 100 who do that you'll be in a raffle to get a signed copy from Jesse.
	And what we're going to be doing with this as well is, it has to be 50 plus.
	It has to be future Looks bright gear.
	That pick up.
	When you do that, we will throw in the PBD Podcast mug that says future looks bright, a pin and a keychain.
	But it's only for the first 100 that place an order.
	Of future looks bright gear.
	You do that.
	Future looks bright mug, a pin and a keychain.
	And tuesday we'll do a raffle to get three signed copies sent to three of you of Jesse Waters latest book.
	Get it together.
	Selling some books.
	I like this.
	Yeah, let's go all right.
	So let's get right into it.
	Jesse um Diddy.
	Yeah, there's a lot of crazy things that's going on with the, this story Diddy right, I mean, a lot of people are calling it the the, the Epstein of the music, the Hollywood world the uh, you know uh business, what do you call it?
	The entertainment world?
	I'll read this story and then I want to kind of get your thoughts on this here.
	So here's a story.
	Sean Dericomb's former bodyguard, claims music mogul, had tapes of politicians and princes out there and we'll play this clip in a minute.
	Gene Deal, who was present the night before notorious Biachi Biggie was fatally shot in 1997, made the sensational comments during an interview with ART OF Dialogue youtube channel, and here's what he had to say, go forward, Rob.
	After finding out he was recording everything, but not only celebrities.
	Not only celebrities, I don't think it's only celebrities going to be shook.
	He had politicians in there.
	He had princes in there.
	Uh oh, he also had a couple of preachers in there.
	Oh damn, is he talking about who?
	I think he's talking about.
	Oh, you think, is he Hallelujah?
	Cat Williams commented on that.
	Williams definitely brought him out a preacher.
	Yeah, you know what preacher that is?
	I don't, okay.
	May well, you don't know the preacher that was seen with Diddy at one of the parties that Cat Williams says, I don't care whether you're Td Jakes or Diddy.
	Oh yeah, so he was a tutor in 2024.
	Listen again.
	This is allegedly that's what he's saying.
	Your thoughts on this story here?
	So it wasn't just this guy that was saying it.
	Lil Rod, the former producer, filed the lawsuit and he said every room in Diddy's mansions were wired with cameras and he had some of the footage.
	He had some of the pictures and he displayed those in the lawsuit that came out, and this was used for blackmail material.
	They'd bring in these people.
	A lot of these people were also aspiring young artists in the music industry, and then these parties were sponsored by Motown records ceo, Universal Records ceo.
	This goes all the way to the top.
	And so you get these people in compromising situations.
	The drinks were laced, their videotapes were hot, and then at the end of the day you wake up the next morning what did I do?
	And then they have compromising material on you and then they can guide your career.
	They could kill your career, but they got you.
	And it wasn't just people in the music business, as you said.
	There were athletes, there were celebrities, there were politicians, people from the royal family, and we were also told by the former bodyguard that Diddy was an FBI informant.
	So he was a snitch and was feeding information to the FEDS and we don't know what that means.
	We haven't been able to confirm it, but even Little Rod said it's not just like Epstein.
	It could be worse than Jeffrey Epstein.
	Now, let me ask you this when you're seeing something like that.
	Do you think you know how somebody is making money for you?
	You can't lose them because they're still making money for you, right?
	So, for example, like an athlete, LeBron James, he's still getting a lot of endorsements.
	He's still making a lot of money.
	You got to make sure you protect that asset because that guy's making you a lot of money.
	I think the number one person right now that you have to protect in music is Taylor Swift.
	You have to protect her.
	It's a big insurance policy.
	She's young.
	She's going to be around for a long time to come.
	The concerts, the money making, the $5 billion, the tours, all that stuff.
	Nothing can go wrong with her because, God forbid, something happens, you're making money off of it.
	You don't take Taylor to a Diddy party.
	You don't go anywhere near a freak off party.
	That's right.
	So here's where I'm going with this.
	Do you think Diddy's at a phase that how do you make money off Diddy today?
	Because what's Diddy doing today?
	He's not performing.
	So is it more that you protect Diddy because the people that he knows that he can destroy their lives that you kind of like have to keep him quiet?
	Or do you have to find a way to eliminate him, kind of like they try to eliminate this guy named Jeffrey?
	I don't know if he was being eliminated by the FBI or even by the Universal Records executives.
	What happened was Cassie filed this lawsuit.
	He settled in about 48 hours.
	Very fast.
	So then everybody goes, oh, did he settling?
	Yeah.
	So everybody starts filing.
	And so Lil Rod files some real graphic, nasty stuff.
	We're talking minors, sex trafficking, ecstasy and the alcohol.
	And then all hell blows loose.
	And that's when the feds come in and raid.
	And they go right to the camera system and pull all the servers out.
	And they, I believe, arrested the drug mule.
	And so they're closing in.
	They're going to build a case.
	And look, is this something that's coming down at the highest level?
	I have no idea.
	But I know Diddy's life is about to blow up.
	And there's really no way to get out of this.
	And I want to say this, Envy, I want to go to you because Ashton Kutcher is seen as he prepares to be subpoenaed on Diddy's case.
	That's one.
	Next one, Sean Didycomb's ex-Cassie, that he paid off, I think, 30 million bucks, whatever the number is, cooperating with federal investigations amid the sex trafficking probe.
	That's bad.
	That's very bad, right?
	So next one, Sean Didycomb still continues carefree in Miami.
	This is a story from yesterday.
	Lifestyle by smoking and drinking after federal aids.
	Okay, raids.
	Sean De Decomb's youngest son, Christian King, 25, is now sued.
	So it's like, it isn't one thing, it's another thing constantly popping up anyway.
	But just from my point of view, though, he's in Miami.
	He's riding bikes.
	He's taking photos.
	He seems as if he doesn't have a care in the world.
	To me, somebody from the outside looking in, it seems like they're like, hey, listen, especially with the Cassie thing, that thing blew the top off of everything.
	We have to go in there.
	You don't be there.
	We're going to make the play.
	We're going to grab all the footage and everything.
	I think people are going to fall.
	Nothing is going to happen to him.
	He's going to be protected.
	But they've been using Diddy for how long, Jesse, from the politicians, from Maxine Waters.
	So back in 2004, he launched Vote or Die.
	Yep.
	So he was for Kerry.
	Then he was for Obama.
	Then it was for Hillary.
	And then he's for Biden.
	So he has been the community organizer for the Democratic Party in the streets for about 20 years.
	He's a valuable asset.
	Big time.
	Big time.
	And they gave, like, he started revolt through Maxine.
	They gave him a cut in order for that merger to go through.
	She said, my guy has to get a piece of the pie.
	So if you think about it, he's obviously in with these higher-up politicians.
	You're in there recording all these people and having all this dirt, like they say, with Epstein was working for Masada.
	God knows who he was working for.
	Who knows who Diddy was?
	He's not recording all these people, all these princes, just to have like footage for when he's older to show to his kids.
	This is a coordinated thing, and I think the Cassie thing blew the top off.
	And now they're like, we have to go in and make sure nothing is incriminating for us or else he does.
	Because when they went in and raided Epstein's mansions, we never saw any of that footage.
	Not one minute.
	Only Ghelane Maxwell went down.
	Bingo.
	They never got anybody else.
	And he had tapes in Little St. James.
	He had tapes in the Upper East Side.
	He had tapes in New Mexico and Palm Beach.
	We never heard anything else about that.
	Exactly.
	Jesse, you said something a little bit earlier that I was like, whoa.
	Because he's been called the black Epstein.
	You said earlier that this could even be worse than Epstein.
	How do you feel about that?
	That's a pretty shocking statement.
	That's what Lil Rod alleges in the lawsuit.
	Well, you've covered this.
	How do you stand up?
	I don't know if he's talking about the violence towards women or the age towards or the age factor of the minors or the drug factor.
	Epstein, there was not a lot of drugs.
	This case has drugs.
	This case has lots of narcotics.
	If you read the filings, we're talking meth, cocaine, PCP, ecstasy.
	The stuff in the drink to make you pass out so you don't remember whatever roofies.
	Yeah, everybody was getting roofy.
	And apparently, everybody, there was even conversations of, I just saw another video where Diddy is giving a drink to Justin Bieber.
	And I, dude, we keep seeing videos with him and Justin Bieber, and like they're making sure that Justin Bieber is drinking it.
	And there's another cut of him in the party.
	And Justin Bieber just looks like a little bit.
	What age was he at the time?
	Does it really matter at that point?
	Justin Bieber is now just, I mean, he was young with blonde hair.
	Like he was like, what, 17, 18?
	Did you see this video?
	Would you pat him down?
	Look, he just is chasing for potential.
	Look, he's touching.
	He's touching his chest.
	He's touching his chest.
	Make sure you don't have a wire on you.
	Look at that.
	I got a message.
	I'm trying to see.
	Obviously, I'm not going to reveal the source, but I got a message from a guy saying that some of this has to do with that drink company, the Diagio.
	That is, if you look at it, can you type in what Diageo's market cap is?
	They're massive.
	Type in Diageo market cap.
	Yeah, right there.
	If you just type in Diageo market cap, market cap, $81 billion.
	And what this insider said to me, just purely on what could happen, is given, I'm not, again, I'm not giving a source.
	Speculation.
	Speculation.
	He said they owe him $2 billion.
	And he said it could be the fact that they are doing this to not have to pay him $2 billion.
	Now, can you just type in, maybe type in Diaggio owes Diddy $2 billion.
	See if anything like that comes up.
	Diagio owes Diddy $2 billion.
	It's a lot of money.
	Go to news.
	Can you go just to news at the top?
	Let's see what stories pop up.
	Can you go a little?
	Okay.
	Diddy Diagio and the climb Sean Combs Business Empire.
	Sean Diddy Combs dumped by Diageo, maker of Johnny Walker.
	Did he sue?
	Did he sue Sean Diddy and Combs that Diagio settle withdraw lawsuit in case of Diageo of racism?
	Okay, so there's something that's going on there that is kind of ugly.
	And obviously, the people that are saying that they're supporters of him.
	So they're kind of like saying there's something going on that you guys are not seeing, right?
	It's another thing that you got to consider.
	What do you know about that?
	I've seen litigation between those two, and there's a racial charge there as well.
	And if they've settled, and I also heard Diddy double-cross them.
	So I don't really know what's going on at that level, but I do know that you said you don't think Diddy's going down.
	I have disagree.
	And why do you think that's the point?
	And I think if you have the feds go in there and seize everything in the house, phones, electronics, video cameras, and he has multiple civil suits in play.
	Do you think Universal Records is going to take the fall?
	I don't think Universal Records is going to take the fall.
	Do you think lesser players are?
	Because just think about the day that they raided, he wasn't there and his jet flew with God knows what, he wasn't on it to a place that doesn't have any U.S. extradition.
	Maybe all the tapes and all everything that was just like a delivery method?
	Because why else is he dancing and having a great time in the streets?
	He's not delusional.
	Because it's great PR.
	Yep.
	Well, let me ask you this.
	Here's a question for all of you guys.
	Here's a question for him.
	And Rob, can you run a poll on this?
	Who was more powerful and feared?
	Harvey Weinstein or Diddy?
	Put the poll.
	I'm curious to know what the audience will say.
	Again, here we have a very important question.
	Okay, think about this one before we answer it.
	Process it.
	Harvey Weinstein, one of the top four godfathers Hollywood controls.
	Huge.
	All of that stuff, the amount of power he had, and he was not a visible guy.
	He's a behind the clothes.
	Clinton's presidents, all that stuff.
	Or did he, music, hip-hop, links of Biggie's death, Tupac's death, you know, what he's done with all these girls, J-Lo, all these names that are tied to him.
	Who is a bigger man to fall?
	To fall, you said to fear.
	No, no, fear and fall, meaning like which one can that industry not afford to fall that they have to protect?
	I think Diddy because of all the Diddy over Weinstein.
	Because I think Weinstein was movies and that, but Diddy, now we're seeing was politics, presidents, musicians, elites.
	I think Diddy.
	I don't think that's it.
	I think it's close.
	I think it's Weinstein, man.
	This guy.
	Yeah, Hollywood, bro.
	I think there's a big fear in Hollywood.
	Did he have anybody murdered?
	Did he have anybody killed?
	Diddy allegedly had not only two guys murdered, he was shooting people.
	You know what the purpose of this question is?
	Who is more untouchable?
	Holly or Diddy?
	Well, obviously, I thought Weinstein was untouchable until he wasn't.
	That's the point.
	So the point he's making when he's asking you the question to say, do you really think he's not going to go down and he's protected?
	And he said, yes, he is protected.
	Okay.
	I had Bernard Carrick at the house.
	We're having lunch yesterday or two days ago.
	Bernie.
	And so I said, so in New York, for the longest time, when you watch these movies, right?
	Mopster, Crape Movie, the old Mopster movie where it's the story of Lucky and Meyer Lansky and Frank and Ben Siegel and all this stuff.
	Phenomenal.
	If you want to know the history of Mop, that's the movie to watch.
	A beautiful movie filled with a lot of facts on what happened.
	Nobody ever thought that the mob was going to fall.
	Nobody ever thought.
	They thought it were the untouchables.
	There's a movie, I think, called The Untouchables.
	Or a show is called.
	Well, the movie Untouchables is Kevin Costner.
	Right.
	So, and then the day, the 240 whatever guys are walking out like this and just going out and saying, wait a minute, how many judges did they have?
	How many cops did they pay off?
	How many guys in politics did they have?
	And nobody thought anything was going to happen to them.
	Do you think something like that is about to happen where you see a bunch of these music industry Hollywood moguls coming out like that?
	Like, you think it's going to be that ugly?
	You think it's going to be more like...
	Because, look, Harvey Weinstein, have you seen his latest pictures?
	What he looks like?
	He went from the powerful guy sitting there like this and having hard.
	Wheelchair.
	What do you think?
	I think you're never going to see a guy like Universal Records CEO or a Motown Records CEO go down.
	Those guys are executives.
	They're well connected.
	They're going to make Diddy take the fall.
	Do you think so?
	Because there can always be another Diddy.
	Someone else will pop up and do the same thing.
	This was a widespread operation.
	It was a racketeering conspiracy where these record companies would then sponsor these parties, hand Diddy loads of cash that he used for the drugs, the trafficking, and this was all videotaped.
	And then they would profit from these young people that came up in the business that were at these parties.
	They took them to the studios, they signed them to labels, and then they used them to make money.
	And this was a grand scheme.
	If the feds want to go all the way up the food chain on it, they can go as high as they want.
	But something tells me they're going to suppress it and have one guy take the food.
	Do you guys think, do you guys, sorry, Tom, do you guys think that he got, which one's more like, like, more probable?
	Him going to jail and getting trouble for it?
	Or something, God forbid, happening where he kills himself because he can't take it like Epstein.
	Which one, Adam?
	What do you think?
	You think Diddy's going to go behind bars?
	He's too much of a narcissist to kill himself.
	What I'm saying, well, I'm being facetious.
	Jeffrey Epstein did not kill himself.
	Let's not, let's not even, let's just use the word allegedly around.
	I'm at our friend Jenny.
	You know what I mean?
	No, this is Vincent O'Shaughness.
	The belief.
	I'm not stupid.
	What I'm saying is jail or pressure.
	So I line up with Jesse.
	I went to school at Pepperdine with a guy who became an auditor, and he was an auditor at that time with a company called Touch Ross.
	And the record industry is the largest long-term racketeering organization in human history.
	You go back to, he never lost an audit case.
	He would find out that they were pressing records in the Philippines and they were only supposed to be pressing records in Mexico and the U.S.
	He represented a hairband called Poison.
	They found an extra half a million albums over five years that were pressed other ways and sold.
	How did you audit it?
	The record industry from the cocaine controversies where they were paying off dischockeys to get airplay, the record industry has been the largest racketeering organization.
	And it does not surprise me.
	And I agree with you, Jesse.
	None of those executives are going to go down.
	None of them.
	If you talk about Weinstein and Diddy, is Diddy more feared because of the groups and the things that were going around?
	I think he was feared, but I really thought nobody was as untouchable as Harvey Weinstein.
	I did not think that guy was going to get touched.
	I thought he was going to get retired.
	I didn't think he was going to, that these suits were going to do it.
	Especially when they split it.
	When they split it in the LA and New York and they tried him twice and they put him away forever.
	I was really shocked that everybody turned and he fell.
	What does a poll look like, Rob?
	What is it?
	Right now, 65% say Harvey Weinstein, 35% for Diddy.
	What's the amp?
	What's the size of the vote?
	2,091 votes.
	2,091, they're saying 65% Weinstein was more untouchable than Diddy.
	Wow.
	Interesting on what the market is saying about that.
	So the only reason I bring that case study is to see if he can fall in the last, what, eight years?
	I don't know what the timeline is.
	Is it fair to say about eight or 10 years?
	Correct.
	If he can fall, you don't think Diddy can.
	The only difference between the two is ah, because you have to also know that Weinstein's probably got a lot of dirt on a lot of other people.
	So the fear of him falling, is he going to like the crap theory where one crab is trying to get out of the, the others try to pull him down?
	Yeah.
	Well, did he be the type that if, God forbid, he is going to.
	He gets arrested.
	Well, he gets arrested, Jesse.
	Let's say, okay, sure.
	You guys are right.
	He gets arrested.
	He goes in.
	They're like, listen, you're going to stay in here for the rest of your life.
	No money's going to get you out.
	Who had you recorded?
	Who'd you give those records?
	Who was on them?
	Who told you to do it?
	So Diddy's guy, Stevie J, who's all wired into this thing, came out the other day and put out this video and this post and said, Diddy partied with everybody and put out a video with Kevin Hart was in it.
	Kanye was in the video.
	Basically, the biggest A-list celebrities you can see.
	And he's basically saying, hey, you know you were at my house.
	I know you were at my house.
	If I'm going down, everybody's going down.
	He's going down.
	And even his bodyguard said he'd testify.
	He goes, I'm not going to take the fall for Diddy.
	If I'm called, I'll testify.
	I'd like to find out how deep this goes in the hip-hop music industry.
	So you talk about Stevie Jay.
	I don't know if you're familiar with him.
	There's a party in Miami every Sunday.
	It's been the biggest hip-hop party in the world at Live, number one club in the country.
	It's called Live on Sundays.
	And the DJ host is who the is Stevie J?
	Diddy's there.
	DJ Khaled's there.
	Rick Ross is there.
	Con every Sunday.
	And they have pre-parties and they have post-parties.
	And I want to know how many of these people are going to speak.
	Because all these parties, all these stories, it's not just exclusive to Diddy.
	I want to know where they're all going to speak.
	Here's my question to you, though.
	Would you speak if you were like, like you said, everybody, we know all y'all were there.
	And like he said, if there's allegedly cameras everywhere, what are you going to say?
	They have you on camera.
	Oh, by the way, that young girl that everybody was talking to, that 17-year-old?
	Yeah, yeah, you were with her.
	Oh, shit.
	What are they going to talk about?
	That's the Epstein play.
	You open your mouth and guess what?
	That footage is going to come out.
	So who knows where that plane went?
	That's what I'm always on.
	So what I'm asking is, is if one goes, is it going to be the mop style where 62 people are being raided all of a sudden?
	Is it going to be, hey, a bunch of guys are getting calls?
	A bunch of guys are being investigated.
	Like, remember when in New York, when they said you have a, whatever this was, the timeline, in the next, you know, 90 days, if anything, then Jamie Foxx was there.
	Then even the mayor, what's the name, Mayor Adams was a part of it and a bunch of other guys named, and then boom, it shut down.
	Do you remember that?
	When the whole, everybody was trying to get somebody.
	Oh, yeah, the case of the, what was it, Tom?
	It was like a certain amount of statutory.
	Statutory, they change it to like 20 years.
	Everybody's like, he raped me here now.
	The women ran to the courthouse.
	So what if all of a sudden now?
	Because this is the next phase we don't know about.
	So think about it.
	If all of a sudden 30 girls come out to 30 other celebrities that were at the party.
	Oh, my God.
	And now they get linked back to those parties.
	That's the next thing that you're sitting on saying, oh, shoot, what just happened now?
	Oh, God.
	Because every day, this is not, how many people you think are sitting on saying, dude, I hope this thing goes away.
	I hope this thing goes away.
	Oh my God.
	Everybody that was there.
	The same thing they did with Epstein.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Same thing.
	And then we find out Bill Gates is at the Epstein place.
	All these other people are there.
	And that's why his wife left him because she couldn't deal with that.
	If we learned anything from Epstein, this story's not going away.
	There's one more angle here.
	Jesse, what is the news media hearing on the Diddy FBI long-term informant side?
	There's a lot of stuff below the surface.
	We've only heard that one comment from Kanye, who said he was a Fed.
	And then we heard it from the former bodyguard who said he was informing to the FBI.
	Other than that, we don't have a lot of information and we can't nail that down.
	But according to that Lil Rod lawsuit, too, he witnessed Diddy going in his closet in his bedroom and pulling out guns and giving it to a bunch of guys that were wearing all black.
	It was also an allegation that he had the local sheriffs paid off.
	It was an allegation that he had contacts with local gang members in Los Angeles.
	I don't know what that means, but it looks like Diddy's playing both sides.
	Is this Kanye?
	Rob, if he can play that clip, yeah, if he can play that.
	I'm not sure if this is the right one.
	You're saying that Kanye was the one that said he was playing.
	Kanye said he was a Fed.
	He said, Yeah, and the former bodyguard said it was a dedicated.
	When was his video?
	This was a while ago.
	Go ahead.
	Okay.
	I have the address to my child.
	None of these niggas that want to say something now.
	Travis gave me the address.
	But as far as Meek Mills, Puff Daddy, whoever, none of these niggas, all you fake hard niggas, fuck you.
	Wait, hold on, hold on.
	All you fake hard niggas, fuck you.
	You know what I'm saying?
	I'll give fuck who because you can't shoot nobody anyway.
	And the reason why you got talks is because you did a deal, you fucking fed.
	You know what I'm saying?
	That's why you got to come at me because part of the deal for you to be a do all that and get out of jail is that you promised that you're going to go pull my coat co-card.
	So y'all niggas shut the fuck up about me.
	Now let me say it, Carl.
	You niggas shut the fuck up.
	You shut the fuck up.
	You know what you do?
	How much credibility does this guy say?
	No, but hold up.
	But you know, you know what he's saying, though?
	If you make a deal with the feds, you could go out there and bubble and shoot and get arrested, but then you get to get out way more leniency because you're working for them.
	That whole rapper image.
	I think there's an angle here, and I think it hasn't been seen yet because there's a lot that goes in.
	It's like, why has Maxwell been sitting in prison?
	Why hasn't the list come out?
	What happened to Epstein?
	Was Epstein really massage?
	There's a lot back there that seems a lot of smoke and maybe a lot of fire.
	You just have to look at the history of informants and do a little research.
	And there's patterns here.
	Manuel Noriega, CIA informant from 1950 to 1980 for the CIA, president of Panama.
	He goes sideways, kills his, what, Spadifora, kills Spatifora, gets Barletta, the president, to resign.
	George Bush Sr., previously CIA, says, hey, our informant's out of control.
	What should we do?
	We need to liberate the people of Panama.
	It was the largest American military action since the Vietnam War.
	27,000 military went down, extracted and put him on trial in Miami and put him in a U.S. prison.
	That's a good way to make your informant set up.
	I think there's shadows here of this.
	I think there's shadows coming.
	Go ahead, Jesse.
	Yeah, it could.
	So that is one pattern.
	If you look at the case in New York with the nightclub shooting, where his protege Shine took the case instead of Diddy, Diddy allegedly had J-Lo smuggle that pistol into the club, and that was cleaned up.
	He was never charged for it.
	Shine took it.
	And then you have the other allegation where there was a shooting in a bathroom at a Diddy recording studio, blood everywhere.
	That was in the lawsuit.
	You saw the photographs.
	And police came in, cleaned it up.
	Diddy said it was a drive-by, guy blood out in the bathroom.
	No charges again.
	So that's a pattern of very favorable treatment by law enforcement.
	It just makes you a little suspicious.
	That's all.
	And that's a fair thing to be suspicious about, right, when you see something like that.
	Let's transition to the next story.
	Okay.
	Next story.
	So Dwayne Johnson, The Rock, goes on interviews with Will Kane.
	And Will Kane asks him a question about how he feels America is doing today.
	Here's his answer.
	And Will even asked if he will be endorsing President Biden the way he did a few years ago.
	Go ahead, Rob.
	You made that endorsement in 2020.
	Are you happy with the state of America?
	Am I happy with the state of America right now?
	Well, that answer is no.
	Do I believe we're going to get better?
	I believe in that.
	I'm an optimistic guy, and I believe we can get better.
	The endorsement that I made years ago with Biden was one I thought was the best decision for me at that time.
	And I thought back then, when we talk about, hey, you know, I'm in this position where I have some influence, and it's my job then.
	I felt like that then.
	It's my job now to exercise my influence and share with this.
	This is who I'm going to endorse.
	Am I going to do that again this year?
	That answer's no.
	Wow.
	So how do you process that, Jesse?
	I think his boys were giving him a hard time for the last four years.
	That was the stupidest endorsement ever.
	And you're talking about The Rock.
	You're talking about Tom Cruise level celebrity, box office celebrity, $20 million, $30 million a movie.
	And he endorsed Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.
	He can't go every weekend.
	His boys are busting his shop.
	I'm like, are you kidding me?
	And not only that, not only that, Patrick.
	He's now on the board of directors at UFC WWE.
	What's that fan base like?
	Oh, we know.
	Is that a Sleepy Joe fan base?
	That is a Trump base at all.
	So this is a little bit of a business decision walk back.
	And I give him credit for walking him back, but probably the worst endorsement of all time.
	By the way, is this the way he did it?
	Is this the clip when he endorsed Biden?
	Can you play this clip?
	So, guys, I had the opportunity to sit down with Vice President Joe Biden and Senator Kamala Harris to talk about a number of important issues that we're facing as a country.
	I thought it was a great and extremely productive conversation that we had.
	And as a registered independent for years now with centrist ideologies, I do feel that Vice President Biden and Senator Harris are the best choice to lead our country.
	And I am endorsing them to become president and vice president of our United States.
	Yeah, you can possibly.
	Is he wearing a broad?
	Look at his boobs.
	So she's like extra trouble.
	Oh, my God.
	Let's stay on this because if you go on Twitter and you look at it, the people on the left lost their minds.
	Literally, you should see what they're saying about him on Twitter.
	He is being attacked left and right from the people on the left and people who are not fans of Trump.
	Just because he said, I will not be doing that again this year.
	Now, that doesn't mean he said the interpretation of that could be what?
	What's definite?
	Definite is I'm not voting for Biden.
	That's how I process that.
	So that leaves two guys, which is who?
	RFK or Trump or one other option, which is what?
	I'm sitting this one out.
	Now, he's a guy that loves America, which means you can't sit a vote out.
	If you love America and you truly are a patriot, you lose the option to not vote, which means leaves him two options.
	Now, the people that vote for RFK, they're typically the anti, you know, maybe they're not fans of forced vaccination, freedom of speech.
	I don't know if Dwayne Johnson is part of that camp.
	So does that eliminate RFK to lead to a guy that nobody would ever – so is he a guy that's going to end up voting for Trump without anybody knowing about it?
	And he'll be a closet voter that's going to be kept to himself so he doesn't lose any jobs?
	I don't know.
	What do you think?
	I think he's going Trump.
	You think he's going Trump?
	I think he's going Trump.
	He said he's a patriot.
	He wants the country to get better.
	It can't get any worse than it is now.
	Yeah.
	So can I give you guys my thoughts on this here?
	So I want you to think about this for a second.
	Think about guys that actually are, what do you call it, are guys that are truly independents, who are famous, super famous, who may have voted on the left or may have voted in the middle, but they can be seen personality-wise as a synergist, okay?
	A synergist that can bring maybe both groups can bring them a little bit like this, right?
	Who do you see as somebody that can be a sinner?
	Obviously, we know LeBron's not part of the synergist camp, right?
	He's out, right?
	I think, you know, a name like maybe a Chris Pratt, maybe a name like that.
	If you put, you know, Dwayne Johnson, maybe a Kim Kardashian that, and I know that kind of sounds weird saying Kim, but Kim's got a lot of influence, 3,400 million followers.
	All the sisters together, they got a billion followers, right?
	So if you think about that level of influence, who do you put at that level?
	McConaughey.
	Okay.
	Wasn't he trying to be that centrist guy in Texas?
	Good point.
	I think he's a little left to center, but he was trying for that.
	With the Second Amendment, when he did that thing, came out and gave a speech about guns.
	That kind of was more left position.
	It was, yeah, that hurt him.
	That hurt him.
	And he wanted to be a governor at the time.
	He wanted to kind of go.
	He was flirting with it.
	Who else you think?
	Who else do you think plays a role like that?
	Because that's what I think of The Rock.
	I think The Rock is grappling with something right now.
	But who else you put at that level?
	Who else you put at that level that they can come out and say, look, I'm going to make a decision.
	It's going to be tough.
	Here's why I'm making a decision.
	And I know I'm going to get a lot of heat for this.
	But this is why I'm making it because I think we are divided and the division is coming from here.
	And I'd like to see us do this.
	Who are some voices like that?
	It's a different wiring of a personality.
	It's not everybody.
	Who do you think has the capability of doing that?
	Tom, who do you think about?
	When I think about celebrities that have the opportunity to lift forward, you know, The Rock and his magnetism and kind of the sports angle sits there to me as like it's tier zero.
	And I don't think there's a lot up there with him.
	I think there's some tier one people, but he's like a Reagan.
	Reagan came out of the movie industry.
	He was in it, but not all about it.
	And then he ran for governor, subsequently ran for president.
	There's not many tier zero people that are in like entertainment that have the ability to have that escape velocity, especially today, because you have to be so woke.
	You have to salute the liberal flag, salute the wokeness up to a point.
	How do you get escape?
	How do you live as an independent and have legitimacy for your position and get escape velocity out of that?
	That's hard to know.
	So who do you think?
	I got one.
	Go forward.
	Tom Brady.
	I was just going to say Tom Brady.
	Oh, wow.
	He's positioned himself pretty beautifully in the country.
	At one time, he had a MAGA hat in his locker.
	It got a little extension.
	He's got a lot of people for it.
	And he's one of those guys that's good American, well-liked by everybody.
	I think he could pull it off in a way that people would respond to.
	I think so too.
	But Judge, how do you think about this?
	I think Tom is a Trump guy.
	He is.
	I don't think he's out there expressing it, but I think it's pretty obvious.
	I'll give you just a couple names real quick.
	Certainly The Rock.
	Certainly Joe Rogan.
	I would say Adam Sandler.
	Like, he is so likable.
	I didn't see that come.
	He is so likable.
	I agree.
	And like, if Adam Sandler would be like, he wants to be doo.
	And what if a Trump, like, people, you know, Sandler's not, he won't do it.
	But, and then I don't know if he's a synergist, but Elon, why do I say this?
	Yeah.
	I would, I would, I'd be willing to guess there's probably data on this.
	Rogan was a Bernie guy.
	Elon was not a Trump guy at all.
	The Rock endorsed Biden.
	Adam Sandler, I don't know where he stands, but if all three of those guys, some of the biggest names in the world are like, look, we were on this team before.
	Upon further review, we're kind of over here now.
	I think a lot of people in the country will be like, yep, okay.
	Okay, so I agree now.
	I think Tom Brady is a big one.
	I don't have the written out.
	That makes sense.
	Rogan, I had a written now for sure.
	I think Musk could play that role, even though he's like a troll-ish type of guy.
	I don't know.
	He kind of likes to troll.
	So maybe it's not the, maybe he could, maybe it's not part of his DNA.
	I think a Snoop could.
	I think a Snoop could be somebody from the hip-hop side to come out of it.
	Guys, let me tell you, I've been around.
	This is how old I am.
	This is what I've seen.
	This is what I've done.
	And I think we're at a point right now where we got to stop thinking about this is what the hell are we doing?
	Here's what we got.
	Let's bring all of us together.
	I think those types of people, but I think with Rock, you know what FaZe Rock said right now?
	Can you pull up how old Rock is?
	If I'm 45, Rock's 54, he looks fantastic.
	I'm 50.
	He's freaking one.
	This guy looks like he's 40 years old.
	He looks younger than 50.
	He's 30.
	He's not taking any.
	That's natural, right?
	That's natural.
	All natural.
	Can I give you one more name?
	Preteen and all.
	Chemicals make all things.
	Let me make my point.
	Let me make my point.
	So what I think with The Rock right now is this is the question he has to answer, okay?
	You know what the question is?
	Pull up Rock's net worth.
	Pull up rock's net worth.
	Is he like 600 million, 700 million?
	What's his net worth?
	Is he not a billionaire yet?
	No.
	I don't know if he is.
	He may be.
	He's going to be, but what is his net worth?
	What does it say?
	800 million.
	Okay.
	So how much of that 800 million is paper money?
	And you know what I'm asking, Tom?
	So how much of that 800 million is paper wealth?
	What's paper wealth?
	Paper wealth is how much of it is tied to a drink company that he hasn't sold yet, right?
	Okay, right there.
	He's got 30% to 40% stake in what, Terramana, which has a current, okay, so that's a lot.
	So it's $650 of his $800.
	Terramana.
	You know, then he can't be too loud.
	Because Terramana, can you pull up the profile of a Teramana drinker?
	Like, what's the word, Tom?
	How do we Google that?
	What is the ideal demographic of a Terramana drinker?
	Customer profile.
	Customer profile.
	Perfect.
	Terramana.
	So let's take a look at this.
	Go a little lower, Terramana Tequila.
	Do they have Go a Lil Lower?
	Let's see if it shows it or not.
	Bodybuilder that likes tequila, you need to.
	Let's see what that one.
	Eight things you need.
	Well, it's 2021.
	Anyways, what would be the profile of a Terramano drinker?
	Okay, I think Rock's followership, whether he knows it or not, I think 70 plus percent are, you know, man's man, you know, conservative.
	I think 65 plus percent of his guys are there, right?
	So if he's got 35% equity in Terramana's, that's worth $2 billion.
	That's $700 million.
	He hasn't cashed out yet.
	The people on the inside that are advisors, giving him advice, his ex, his friends, his peers, they're probably going to say, lay low until we exit this one because it's 90% of your net worth.
	That's 80% of your net worth.
	I don't think it's 80% of it, but because I think he made $124 million a couple years ago, highest paid actor in the world.
	So it's not like this guy's not making money.
	But if he gets to a point where the level of pride of family dad comes down, he's having those moments, the conversations about, did you ever see Rock's speech when his dad died, the speech he gave at the church?
	No.
	Every man has to watch this.
	Every man has to watch this.
	You have to take a few minutes and go watch this.
	How long ago did his father pass?
	Six years ago.
	It could be five.
	Can you type in when Dwayne Johnson?
	It could be four years ago.
	It's recent when he died.
	If you've never seen this, to four years ago.
	Okay, so he died four years ago.
	Let me tell you, afterwards, let me just text you here so you can, because it's seven minutes long, I think, six or seven.
	You got to watch it.
	I will.
	And when you watch this guy, you will see a man that has a lot of pride.
	He's proud to be that man's son.
	And he's proud to be an American.
	He loves America, but he's grappling with some of these business decisions that he's worked so many years for to get to the side.
	And paper wealth sometimes makes people not fully make a decision publicly because it could cost them a lot of money.
	You know what RNC convention he was at?
	2001.
	And he spoke.
	You know this one, right?
	The rock spoke at the RNC in 2001.
	Did you know that?
	Type in The Rock at RNC.
	Did you know this or not?
	At the RNC.
	Guys, go YouTube.
	Type in RNC.
	Guys, he is speaking at the RNC.
	Was this?
	Do you smell what The Rock is cooking face?
	Type in the speech at RNC.
	Let me find it for you.
	No, he spoke on stage at the RNC.
	That doesn't make sense.
	But he endorsed Biden, and now he's talking for the 2000.
	Oh, my God.
	I thought you said 2002.
	Right there, 2000.
	There you go.
	I just found it.
	I'll send it to you.
	2000.
	So this is push score.
	This is when he was full.
	Right, WWR.
	Look at this plate.
	You invited The Rock, the World Wrestling Federation champion, to speak at the Republican National Convention.
	I forgot about that.
	You can pause it right here.
	So the point is, listen, man, typically as you get older, you don't get more left.
	You know what I'm saying?
	If you're conservative in 2002, 2000, 24 years later with family kids, you marry an Armenian, you know what I'm saying?
	That is going to happen.
	Exactly.
	If you got 35% in a $2 billion company that you haven't cashed out yet.
	Or except if you go Hollywood.
	Well, yes, but I don't think, I think at this phase, he's asking legacy.
	And as you age, there's something unique that happens as you age.
	Your thermometer, the other day, Tico's in the back watching this podcast right now, he says, hey, Dad, you mind if I read the book, The Subtle Art of Not Giving Up?
	I read that.
	It's a good book.
	Yeah, it's a very good book.
	I said, yeah, you can read it.
	He says, is it okay if I read it?
	He says, I don't know why he has that title, but it makes me want to read it, right?
	He says to me last night, he says, you think there's power in not giving an F?
	I said, there's a lot of power in that, but sometimes people give too much of an F when they're younger.
	You know what I should have named my book?
	What?
	Get at the F Together.
	True.
	Get it together.
	So this is the F Together.
	The PG13 version.
	But the point is, I don't know if he's gotten to that phase yet.
	If he's gone to the phase that it's the subtle art of not giving a flying, you know, what anymore, and he wants to go out there and unite, history could look back at this guy as being a synergist.
	I think he could be a Reagan-esque synergist if he comes out and says, this is my value.
	I'm pro-America.
	I'm pro-military.
	I'm pro-Second Amendment.
	I'm pro-family.
	I'm pro-kids.
	I'm pro-pro-pro-capitalism, pro-this.
	This is what I'm pro.
	Certain areas of my life, I'm social.
	I have friends that are maybe gay.
	I have this and this and that.
	Great.
	Boom.
	You know, run on that.
	I can see that potential.
	Now is not that time.
	He just tipped his toe in the water back again on the Republican side.
	I think he's going to let this election play out.
	And remember, Trump's term limited, 20, 2, 8?
	It's over.
	Open primary on both sides.
	That's right.
	So he can seize it if he wants it.
	He just needs to make sure he sells the style in the next three years.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Well, because if you think about it, he didn't openly come out.
	What happens to The Rock's career if in that interview he went, definitely not going Biden?
	I'm actually going to endorsing Donald J. Trump.
	Sexual allegations would come out the next day.
	Dude, nobody would work with him in Hollywood.
	The shitstorm would follow.
	Very good point.
	So, Jesse, I respect what he's doing because he's letting, by the way, you nailed it.
	How many billion people?
	Everybody knows who the hell The Rock is.
	He's even saying that.
	87% highest recognizable face in the world.
	Okay, so, and how many human beings are there?
	How many 8 billion?
	So 4 billion people?
	Even that right there is making people go, wait a minute.
	He's more recognizable than Trump?
	He is at the highest recognizable celebrity in the world.
	Maybe not Trump, but he's at 57%.
	Tom Cruise.
	He tops Tom Cruise.
	Oh, yeah, for sure.
	With those muscle pockets.
	Same level as LeBron.
	There's probably a lot of people who are in the world.
	This guy is not Q score.
	I'm not talking Q score.
	I'm talking recognizable in the world.
	Because you got to realize he is in movies in China.
	He is in movies and India.
	I agree.
	He's in movies.
	So movie celebrities, they're going to be recognized more.
	I guarantee you right now, people know Rock more than they know Biden.
	Only reason maybe not Trump is because Trump's been a celebrity for decades, and that could be it.
	But he is that kind of an influence.
	So yes, it's a challenging place to be.
	But again, maybe The Rock needs to go read the book, The Subtle Art of Not Giving Flying, you know what?
	Or get it the F together.
	I think he's got more influence than he thinks.
	And I don't think he, if he's thinking that, you know, I got to play nice with the board of directors.
	I got to thank Daniel the Drink Company.
	I think if he's listening, he's got more power there than he thinks.
	The board of directors of Oracle have always tried to talk Larry Ellison about weeding his power.
	And he was from the conservative side.
	Bloomberg told everybody, no, I'm going.
	I'm going to do this despite my company.
	And they both had huge, huge companies with boards that didn't want them to be too political.
	I think The Rock has got more ability to do this than he may think and more influence to maybe let people know, no, this is what I'm going to do, and this is where I'm going to go.
	Two books.
	Read that book.
	And the other book is, I messaged him, but the other book I haven't given the book, it would be Barbarians to bureaucrats.
	If he really wants to know what a society, what a civilization, what a company goes through from the phase of a prophet to a barbarian to a builder explorer to the administrators that create law and order, to then comes the bureaucrats and aristocrats, he will realize America's going through the phase of having bureaucrats and aristocrats.
	And in that time, in a company, in a family, in a denomination, in a sports team, in any organization, you need a synergist to bring them together.
	And I think he'll identify with the synergist.
	I want to go to the next story.
	Next story I want to go to is with Candace Owens and Ben Shapiro.
	It's a little bit of a messy situation here.
	Obviously, Candace Owens is no longer with Daily Wire.
	That announcement's been made.
	Oh, no.
	And that announcement's been made for a couple weeks.
	Rob, if you can pull up the clip with Megan Kelly asking Ben Shapiro a question, because I think Candace Owens asked the question saying, I want to do a podcast and I want to find out the definition of what it is to be an anti-Semite.
	That's what she's asking, right?
	And then this is a question that Megan Kelly asked Ben Shapiro recently.
	Go ahead.
	A debate about whether the Daily Wire is pro-free speech.
	The accusation is you are until it comes to Israel.
	How do you respond?
	We have a wide variety of positions on Israel right now inside the Daily Wire.
	Matt Walsh, obviously, is another one of the hosts at the Daily Wire.
	He and I wildly disagree about what America's Israel policy should be.
	Matt is much more isolationist.
	He basically believes the United States has no real interests in the Middle East, and thus the United States should not be providing material support to anyone, including the state of Israel.
	The Daily Wire is a publisher, not a platform.
	I would never call for anyone to be ousted from an actual platform, X, YouTube.
	Even people who are, I think, absolutely horrific human beings.
	I've never called for any of them to be ousted.
	In fact, I've called for them to have their accounts restored if they've been banned.
	That's not the same thing when it comes to publishers.
	Publishers obviously have to decide what sort of things they wish to pay for the publication of.
	And when it comes to hosts and publishers parting ways, obviously there'll be a non-meeting of the minds.
	That's pretty much all I can say on that.
	By the way, he's actually being straight up, saying, look, I'm not a platform.
	I'm a publisher.
	If I want to fire somebody, I can do it because I disagree with what they're saying.
	That's how I took what he just said right there, right?
	I believe how we all took it.
	Straight up, no problem.
	But here's what Candace Owens tweeted yesterday that kind of started the whole thing.
	I think it's right there, Rob.
	First, she tweets this out, which we talked about, Andrew Schultz.
	Andrew, I hope you're happy with the fight you've created, Andrew, for a guy that's as funny as you are.
	And we watch a couple.
	You've started a war, Andrew.
	I hope you understand the amount of pain you're creating on social media today.
	Anyways, he says what he says there at the bottom.
	Ben, Ben, Ben, wait a minute.
	And then Candace responds, I would like to debate Ben Shapiro on Israel and the current definition of anti-Semitism.
	Can anybody make this happen?
	Ben responds back and he says, well, I actually sent you a message for us to do this on February 29th, but you never responded back or something like that.
	If you want to do it, let's do it Monday at Nashville at Daily Wire headquarters.
	Okay, I think that's Ben's response.
	Sure, Candace, I texted you on February 29 offering this very thing.
	Let's do this on my show Monday at 5 p.m. at our studio, Nashville, 90 Minutes Live Stream.
	Then she responds back and she says, I'm sure you can appreciate why I prefer to keep this off Daily Wire platform as well as true reason why we've never been able to make any discussions happen.
	Let's choose a neutral, trustworthy platform.
	I vote Patrick Bede.
	I know that guy.
	Yeah, and then he comes back and Ben says the following thing.
	Ben says, Rob, if you can pull his response to that.
	Candace, I can see why you'd want to hide behind a moderator, particularly one who said we should rename our company the Daily Jewish Wire just yesterday.
	I said the Daily Israeli Wire, but it's fine.
	I'll say both of them.
	No, one-on-one, Monday, 5 p.m., we can sit down and have a healthy debate like adults, and we'll live stream on X and YouTube.
	Take it or leave it.
	As to the true reasons, you didn't respond to my offer to sit down with you and discuss the issue publicly or privately in February.
	I have no idea what the hell you're talking about.
	Okay, cool.
	Let's keep going.
	So then the next thing she says, you can go back to the other one, Rob, in the back.
	Yeah, if you can go back to the next tweet, Candace puts.
	Anyways, they keep going back and forth.
	We even made an offer ourselves.
	A lot of names came out about on GoToOne Lower Than That.
	See what she's got that one.
	I'm not hiding behind a moderator.
	I'm just choosing not to bring eyes to Daily Wire.
	You're rather typically removing PBD's words from proper context to make it seem as though he's baselessly attacking you.
	Rather, he offered free advice.
	The Daily Wire would not take heat if they were open about their priorities.
	But I'll choose to be understanding regarding your exhaustive sensitivities to everyone everywhere.
	Would you prefer Charlie Kirk or Tim Cast?
	They keep going back and forth.
	Finally, Jeremy Boring gets involved.
	I gave a message and we made our offer.
	Rob, how long is that video?
	If it's too long, don't know.
	It's 243.
	Don't play it.
	We made our offer on what we said and she retweeted that.
	Can you show what she says?
	Patrick Blade David just threw $250,000 for Lake and Riley's family to make this debate open.
	And yes, Ben Shapiro did take PBD's words completely out of context.
	There was zero malicious intent.
	I'm America first, so I'm in.
	Amazing option to make this charitable.
	So we kind of wanted to bring this back to America because Candace has three kids.
	Ben has four kids.
	I have four kids.
	We all live in America.
	It should be America first, not Iran first, not Armenia first, not Israel first.
	It should be America first.
	If you think it's Israel first, go to Israel.
	We all love America.
	We're all choosing to raise our kids here.
	Jeremy Boring responds.
	And I think he was the one that was able to bring the whole thing together.
	It's a Shabbat, but I think Ben was clear.
	One-on-one in person, Nashville, Monday, 5 p.m. live stream on X and YouTube.
	I'll add.
	There will be no ads on video, no charge to watch it.
	No one cashes in.
	You debated Destiny on a show without the moderator less than a month ago and have debated plenty of people without a moderator on your show.
	You ask for a debate.
	If you want it, come have it.
	Then Candace responds and says, you guys have known all along that I will be in London for two weeks.
	So you've known the schedule.
	You've known I'm in London.
	You've known for months I'm going to be the Daily Wire.
	Employees were initiated slated to be here.
	I certainly swing this virtually on Monday, one-on-one.
	If you guys really just cannot wait for me to get back, but I'm refusing to allow this to happen on Daily Wire platform.
	This request seems perfectly reasonable and understandably to everyone but Daily Wire.
	Why is it?
	Then he finally breaks it down and he says this.
	If you can go to Jeremy Boring's tweet that he has.
	By the way, Lex Friedman got involved.
	Tim got involved.
	Rogan didn't get involved, but they dropped Rogan's name on there.
	Jeremy Boring, that's the one right there.
	Yeah.
	I don't know your international travel schedule, Candace.
	I know when you wanted to talk to someone in the past, you've flown across the world to make it happen.
	He would know her travel schedule.
	You're her boss.
	What do you mean you don't know?
	But maybe if he doesn't know, it's your top two talent.
	Why would you not know that person's schedule?
	You, as a CEO, should know where your top two talent is.
	You asked for a debate.
	Ben agreed to debate.
	You don't want it on Daily Wire channel?
	Fine.
	We can live stream it to your channels.
	You don't want to shoot it at Daily Wire Studio?
	Fine.
	We'll rent a studio in Nashville.
	You don't want Daily Wire crew?
	Fine.
	We'll hire a local crew.
	You don't want to Daily Wire pay for it?
	Fine.
	You're rich.
	You can pay for it.
	You don't want to do it Monday.
	Fine.
	Let us know how long you need to prepare.
	Let us know how long you need to prepare.
	We will not agree to moderator.
	No third party to put their finger on the scale.
	We will not agree to a virtual or edited video, live in person, one-on-one.
	The rest of it is just noise.
	So now, Candace then responds back to this, and she says the last part, if you can go to it, which is, I think, go, I think that, no, not that one.
	I think that's the one.
	Yeah, that's the one right there.
	Bearing the odd insinuation that you didn't know your own employees were booked on international flights to come join me on exactly to film your platform.
	This is great.
	I fully accept.
	No moderator.
	I will get in touch privately to get the setup major one.
	Great.
	They pulled it off.
	Good for you.
	And by the way, hey, shout out to Jeremy Boring to do that.
	But Jeremy, you should have done this three months ago, two months ago, man.
	This should have been set up together, but good for Jeremy for being able to ask the CEO of the company to say, guys, let's have the conversation here.
	We don't need to have another moderator from the outside be a part of this.
	Let's have the talk together.
	What are your thoughts on this whole challenge they've been facing, as well as the Ben and the Candace conversation?
	Can you go over that again?
	So she accepted.
	She accepted.
	Yes.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	So I'm not as dialed in as you guys are on this thing, but this is the first time I'm hearing about it.
	But it looks like it's a done deal.
	And I've had both of them on my show.
	I've had Candace.
	I've had Ben.
	I think they're both exceptionally talented.
	I usually don't get involved in conservative civil wars.
	And I hate the Israeli situation.
	I mean, that is a very thorny situation to discuss.
	And although what Hamas did is horrific, obviously.
	But I think it's healthy, I guess, for the conservative movement to hash it out, to debate each other.
	If they want to have a debate over the definition of anti-Semitism, fine.
	Have at it.
	I'll watch if I have time.
	You know, I got two shows.
	I have a book out at four kids, but I'll do the best I can.
	Yeah.
	Vinny, thoughts?
	I don't know.
	I mean, like you said, three months ago, this should have happened.
	It got ridiculously out of hand.
	But I saw a video of, and this is going to the Israel situation that you brought up.
	Ben Shapiro, there's a video of him saying, somebody asked him in like a live forum thing.
	I think it was out of college, like, Ben, do you think the United States should get involved with anything with Israel?
	And Ben said something along the lines of, absolutely not.
	Israel can take care of herself.
	And then cut two months later, he's like, no, when there's nuclear weapons or whatever, United States, of course, we have to get, this is it?
	This is it right here.
	America to fight wars for Israel.
	Nope.
	Nope.
	First of all, Israel can take care of herself.
	If Israel is forced to the wall, the possibility of nuclear exchange is extremely high.
	That is why it is very important that the United States provide material aid to Israel.
	But this is going to my point too.
	This topic, and you nailed it, Jesse, you cannot, there's no winning in this, in this debate, in this conversation.
	It's if you care about innocent kids dying, you support Hamas.
	If you're pro-Israel, you're a Zion.
	There's no even in the middle because there's no winning in this situation.
	I'm just interested to see what anti-Semitism is in Ben's eyes, because as we saw when she was debating rabbis, she called a Shmueli's daughter a hag.
	And this guy went into 17th century.
	You know, that's anti-Semitic.
	She posted something, Crisis King.
	Oh, that's anti-Semitic.
	I could see if somebody's genuinely anti-Semitic and they hate Jewish people and they hate everything about them.
	But to be searching and reaching and trying to grab them into it, I don't think it helps the conversation at all.
	It doesn't do anything to it.
	Well, you can't just trust any clip on the internet because what he was specifically talking about is American troops involved in Israeli war, which there are none.
	So it wasn't getting involved.
	And to be clear on the funding from Israel, the United States gives Israel $3.3 billion a year, and it's in the form of foreign military financing, okay, which must be spent to purchase weapons.
	So it's like, here, here's money.
	And they built the Iron Dome with this.
	I'm happy to see that Candace and Ben are going to have this discussion.
	I thought the video that you shot that you sent to them was typical PBD, class act and fair.
	If PBD, I'm sorry, if Candace and Ben were going to have this conversation, there would have been no better moderator than PBD.
	Why?
	For one reason.
	He'd be fair to both sides and respect both sides.
	So, Ben, as a Jew who supports a lot of the things you say, have nothing to do with the Daily Wire, you could have not gone wrong going with PBD.
	I'll say this last thing: this whole term anti-Semitism, dude, I don't even know what Semitism, you might even be a Semite.
	We are still Syrians are semitic.
	It's all congratulations.
	No Jews are running around being like, hey, how you doing, my Semite?
	What we're talking about is Jewish hate.
	So, by the way, there's a difference between Israel, Jews, and Judaism.
	Israel is a country, Jews are a people, and Judaism is a religion.
	You can criticize Israel all you want, just like you can criticize any country.
	You can't criticize or condemn their right to exist.
	So, Jews have a little, you know, strong feelings on the whole genocide thing, especially when the Harvard MIT Penn presidents couldn't condemn.
	So, I think it's a nuanced conversation.
	I'm happy to have them see them have this conversation.
	Criticize Israel, just like you can be.
	I'm an American.
	I criticize the government all I want.
	Criticize Netanyahu, criticize Benny Gans, criticize policies.
	The river to the sea, this chant that people are saying that means eliminating the country and the people of Israel.
	Big difference.
	So, here's my thing, though.
	Do you even know what caused them to get rid of Candace?
	What did Candace do that you're talking about that had them go?
	She has to go.
	You know the answer to that?
	You know the answer to that?
	What?
	Stay tuned for the conversation coming up.
	The poll shows, they think Candace is going to win 78%.
	Wow.
	Wow.
	That's wow.
	Well, because guess what?
	He's going to bring, I mean, obviously, he's going to stand strong with the Israel.
	I think he's going to 100% take that angle and the hate and all the stuff that Adam was talking about.
	She is going to speak.
	Yo, by the way, he's brilliant.
	She's going to spit facts, too.
	She's never said anything.
	I think if anybody's coaching either side, like if I'm not like either one of them, need help from anybody.
	I think Ben has studied the history of worries from his entire life.
	Just like when Putin sat down with Tucker, he started with a history lesson on Ukraine, right?
	And that's not you think Candace is going to sit and not interrupt during a history lesson?
	No way.
	No.
	Correct.
	But the difference is Putin is long-winded.
	Ben Shapiro is going to give boom, boom, boom, boom.
	And then the other, Candace is going to do the same.
	I think it's going to be very, very, I think the world won because this is something everybody wants to see.
	I think it's going to be very entertaining.
	Let's go to it, though.
	So if there's no moderator, both of these people speak 100 miles a minute for sure.
	Nobody speaks as fast as Ben.
	But she's not far behind.
	It's just going to be a car crash for an hour.
	Very good.
	How's that going to look?
	That's what we said yesterday, Jesse.
	Unless somebody's there going, okay, wait a minute.
	You have two minutes.
	Go.
	Wait a minute.
	Stop interrupting.
	It's going to be a shit show.
	That's going to be very difficult.
	No, I think they'll be professionals.
	I think they'll be professionals because they.
	Well, by the way, if they don't, it's a bad look for both of them.
	So it's not like it's not going to be good television.
	What's just talking about?
	You're right.
	What's the Zero Hedge did something with Alex Jones and Destiny?
	Who was it them that they did it?
	Yes.
	And it was the feedback was because if you have a person that is like an Alex, that is a pit bull is going to go.
	And if you can't stop and control, he's going to go, right?
	In this situation, they're both going to be professionals.
	I actually think it's going to be good, and I'm looking forward to it.
	But it would obviously be easier when there's a referee.
	Today, right before here, I went to the game.
	And shout out to Dilly Boy.
	Dilly hit a home run.
	I went, I'm going to sue.
	What the hell is wrong with you?
	I record the whole thing by the way.
	He hits a home run, and I come here.
	But while I'm there, I asked this one of the fathers, I said, Hey, man, why is the referee standing behind the pitcher?
	Why is he not behind the catcher?
	He says, This is why the game started 15 minutes late because the other referee didn't show up.
	We only have one referee.
	Every game needs a referee.
	Every sport needs a referee.
	Businesses need referees.
	And debates need referees.
	I agree.
	That's all it is.
	And by the way, the whole purpose of a moderate, I remember one time Dershowitz and RFK got a hold of me four years ago.
	They said, We're doing a debate about the vaccine.
	And Dershowitz's position was the government can force you to take the vaccine according to this.
	I don't know if you remember this.
	This was like three and a half years ago.
	And RFK is like, hell no.
	They called and they said, we want you to be the moderator.
	And then I was the moderator.
	Out of the two hours that they spoke, you know how much I spoke?
	Maybe less than three minutes.
	Because it was like, boom, jumping out, they go 20 minutes.
	Boom, jumping out, they go 20 minutes.
	So that would be the case for me.
	You remember the first, I believe it was Trump-Biden debate with Chris Wallace, the moderator?
	Yeah, I do.
	I do.
	Little point.
	A little biased.
	That could happen.
	I mean, anything could happen.
	That's the risk.
	By the way, the Candace Destiny debate was an hour after the PBD Town Hall Cuomo Candace debate.
	And the first conversation they had on there was, oh, how are you doing?
	Where are you coming from?
	She goes, oh, I just did the PBD podcast.
	And she goes, Destiny, because he's been on your show, my show multiple times.
	Destiny goes, you know what?
	Peabody, Adam, they're fair.
	But wait a minute.
	No, no.
	He said he likes you.
	He doesn't like me.
	But Candace said they're fair.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Destiny is Team Adam.
	And shout out to Team Adam and Destiny.
	You guys, I'm on team fairness and conversation.
	No, but I know what you're saying, but that's what Candace said.
	Jesse, you said that.
	Where did that happen?
	Before this Candace-Ben implosion, a month ago, two months ago, it was Ben versus Tucker.
	And they were going back and forth.
	And our friend Dave Rubin was trying to moderate a conversation.
	Shout out to Dave.
	Now it's Ben, Candace.
	But you said earlier, you don't like to see conservatives attacking each other.
	It breaks my Tucker and Ben and these types of conversations.
	I haven't followed Tucker's your guy, right?
	Hey, I love Tucker.
	I haven't followed that beef either as much.
	It's hard to get in the weeds when it comes to this stuff.
	I like making the left fight each other.
	I don't like when we fight each other.
	I like us unified.
	Although it's healthy when we fight.
	I don't know if it's a good look.
	You know, they are totally motivated, the left.
	They are 100% a mob.
	When they're unified and they stay on message, they just steamroll and anything goes.
	And the ends justify the means.
	If the Republican movement or the conservative movement is constantly fighting over each other, which is fine, which is healthy in a primary, if you're not going to monetize it, what are we doing here?
	I don't know.
	I like aiming.
	I like aiming the weapons at the other side.
	Theoretically, not literally.
	But I do.
	We got a big election coming up.
	So this is fun.
	I like watching.
	It's entertaining.
	I just feel like I'd like to train our focus in other places.
	Well, you know, and this is a personal beat.
	This is personal.
	Yeah, of course.
	Because Tucker is starting his new company TV.
	Right.
	It's a bit jocking for market share.
	So speaking of infighting, you know, you're Fox News.
	You know what's going on around the country?
	The establishment, MAGA, Rhinos, like where do you see this infighting?
	You see Marjorie Taylor Greene, Mike Johnson, you know, the House, the Speaker, Kevin McCarthy.
	There's going to be infighting regardless.
	We were at the event with Matt Gates.
	I don't think this is going to stop.
	As someone who has very good perspective, where do you see the establishment, Republican Party, the Reagan, you know, McConnell side of things versus the new king in town, Trump?
	They don't have the margins in the House to be fighting like they're fighting.
	What is it?
	One, two, three, four?
	It's a few seats.
	So if one guy says, Johnson, you're out, that's it.
	Or a girl, Marjorie Taylor Greene.
	Or girl.
	Yeah.
	You're done.
	And then so they have no control.
	And then that's how you get all of this funding for all of these wars.
	And, you know, you can say what you want about Ukraine, but, you know, you're not going to get anything done.
	Maybe we don't want anything done.
	But it doesn't seem to me like the establishment is feeling confident these days.
	It feels like the MAGA movement or the populist movement has taken full control over the party.
	But you still need to maintain electability and establishment candidates in Senate races because in certain races, you might not be able to win in a statewide race with a full-throated MAGA conservative.
	You might have to run someone a little bit more to the center.
	And that's something for Mitch McConnell to figure out.
	And that's something for the donors to figure out.
	But I like winning.
	And I'd rather win than lose honorably or purely.
	I like majorities in the House and the Senate.
	I like the White House.
	And so I want to do whatever I can to make sure we have a unified party going into this election because if we're not unified, we're going to lose.
	What's your solution for a unified?
	Because, you know, you like winning.
	I think spending is the big problem.
	I think spending and immigration, there's a lot of knucklehead Republicans that don't care.
	They'll just spend the money and they'll bankrupt the country and they're okay with open borders.
	And that's a huge problem, but they hide.
	And I think there's more of them than we even realize.
	Really?
	Oh, yeah.
	Like big names, influential names?
	I think almost a majority of House Republicans don't care about deficits.
	And you would have to agree with that.
	Deficits for sure.
	The spending and the deficits.
	And when they got a shot to build the wall under Trump when they had majorities, they didn't build the wall.
	Trump had to scream bloody murder to get that funding.
	It was only $2 billion.
	Now they're throwing around $80 billion over here, $90 billion over here.
	I think the donor class and a lot of these corporations, they love the open border.
	I mean, look at these jobs reports.
	A lot of these jobs are migrant jobs and they put downward pressure on wages.
	You bring them in.
	They're filling up hotels.
	If you're a hotel owner in Manhattan, you have fully booked rooms from now until next year.
	So it's just new customers to the corporate class.
	And a lot of the grassroots Republican that I know and love, they don't like it.
	And we did the math, Patrick, we did the math.
	How much was it to build the wall, like how Egypt has their wall?
	Yeah, Egypt did it for $450 million.
	We could do it here.
	We could do it for $5 billion.
	$5 billion.
	We even said because America always pays more, because in the military, you used to all be like, this is $20, but we pay $200 for it.
	We could do it for $20 billion.
	No problem.
	Like the most secure, Jesse, even underground, so there's no problem.
	Yeah.
	Freaking at $20 billion.
	At $20 billion.
	My concern with what you're saying is, Jesse, when you're saying this, are you saying big name Republicans that they don't care about people crossing the border?
	Because so the number that I saw the other day on China, I'm sure you've seen this number on the number of people are now that are crossing the border from China.
	Rob, Vinny, I think you sent me this tweet.
	So let me just read these numbers here.
	I got it somewhere here.
	Okay.
	So in 2001, okay, this is 2001.
	It almost needs to be in a way, Rob, that people can see it.
	Let me show this.
	Yeah, right there.
	2001, we had 342 Chinese immigrants, illegal immigrants crossing the border that got arrested.
	Let me say that one more time.
	2021, 342, 342 people the entire year.
	2022, it's six sexes to 1987, a year later.
	2023 goes to 24,125.
	And 2024, just Q1, is at 22,233 in Q1.
	That's an increase of 6,300% in three years.
	Wow.
	Did you just do the math in your head?
	No, no, no.
	6,300% in three years.
	Absolute insanity.
	So even for Republicans to be like, do you sit there and say, well, I would say all the 50,000 people that came here, 100% of them are noble people.
	They have no bad intentions.
	They probably love America.
	Really?
	Well, if you know anything about China, if you're a Chinese national and you come to the United States, you're beholden to the CCP.
	If they tap you in California and they say you're going to go spy on that naval base, you're going to go spy on that naval base or your family back in the world.
	What is that called?
	What is there?
	Is there is there something for the Chinese government uses Chinese Americans who have immigrated here as intelligence assets?
	They can lean on you.
	And you've seen it in college campuses.
	You've seen it in corporate America.
	There's tons of espionage in corporate America.
	They're stealing trade secrets constantly.
	It's a huge threat.
	And I don't want to blast Republicans' whole scale, but watch if Trump wins re-election and he starts deporting.
	You're going to see a lot of Republicans go soft.
	You think so?
	You're going to see a lot.
	They get squeamish.
	They get confronted by Washington Post, Reuters, Associated Press, CNN reporters in the halls of Congress.
	Don't you think it's mean to be breaking up families?
	This is like the Nazism.
	This is, isn't Trump a horrible person?
	That's what they're going to do, and they're going to get squeamish.
	But I think Trump's going to come back and say, I'm sorry, what are you talking about?
	He's going to say that.
	But maybe not everybody in the house is going to be that strong.
	Well, sometimes if the number one is such a big driver, a great number one driver knows how to corner and pin people into a decision.
	He knows how to corner you into a decision where if Obama has the record for the most people ever being deported by a president two terms and it's not even close.
	What did they call him again?
	Deporter-in-chief.
	The deporter in chief.
	Yeah, Trump's always going to go back to that.
	What are you talking about?
	Your hero, Obama.
	Here's what he did.
	So if Trump decides to deport, I guarantee you, no one is going to be more scared about their legacy than Obama because Trump's going to say that 24-7 constantly talking about Obama is the deporter-in-chief.
	Who said the article, by the way?
	Was it New York Times or was it ABC?
	I actually want to know who labeled that.
	ABC.
	Who labeled it?
	If you type in deporter-in-chief, go to news, go to news right there and see who labeled.
	It was either CNN or New York Times.
	What context is that?
	I thought it was activists.
	I thought it was immigration activists.
	Well, ABC is right there.
	Obama has deported more people than anybody else.
	I want to know who coined the phrase deporter-in-chief.
	The president of the has been referred to by immigration.
	Immigration groups.
	Yeah, that's what I thought.
	I thought it was his.
	You're looking at Jesse, guys.
	So, they're saying the numbers are always going to be low.
	In the four years that Biden's going to hopefully, God willing, he's done, 20 million, maybe more illegals would be in our country.
	Trump comes in.
	How do you even start a process to get rid of 20 million, which they don't have IDs?
	They're just floating around.
	Nobody knows what they are.
	How do you even fathom starting a process like it's going to be the greatest deportation ever in the world?
	Beautiful wow.
	That's a great question.
	I don't know.
	I don't know if he knows, but you have to start with the criminals.
	And so, right now, Joe Biden's not even detaining anybody.
	ICE is not allowed to do their job.
	So, no one's really even been deported either.
	And if he wants to deport people back to Venezuela, Venezuela is not even accepting the people.
	He is flying migrants from Venezuela here.
	They're committing crimes.
	And when we try to deport them, Venezuela says, no, mas they're too crazy for us.
	Right.
	So we've been totally disrespected.
	But in terms of the question, it is a he's going to have to get granular.
	I mean, on the ground, county by county, work with the sheriffs.
	It is going to have to be, it's going to be gritty.
	And you're never going to get them all out, but you have to start with the criminal.
	I want to go to this time.
	I'm going to come to you.
	Here's the article we found.
	Rob, I just sent it to you.
	Can you pull up the date at the top?
	This is the lady who made that, coined that phrase, by the way, coined the phrase.
	So this is March 14, 20, March 4th, 2014.
	Okay, so we're talking over 10 years ago and go all the way at the top.
	Go the other way.
	Yeah, go all the way at the top.
	La Rock.
	One more.
	NCLR head, Obama, the porter-in-chief.
	She coined the phrase, the porter-in-chief, and has been around till today.
	By the way, somebody Manected me before.
	If you've never downloaded the app, Manect, you get to ask questions.
	I got nearly 50 Manect in the last 24 hours.
	It's coming through right now on fire, and Manect is growing exquisitely.
	We got to get Jesse on there.
	Yeah, so this is Manect.
	If you have any questions, you can get on Manect.
	There's 7,000 experts and influencers to ask questions from.
	But somebody on Manect asked me a question yesterday and he says, Hey, Pat, here's what I got.
	I have the plan on how to deport 10 million people.
	He sends the entire plan to the T on how they're going to work 24-7 on teams of five.
	Each truck that he had fits 50 to 80 people on there.
	Food, kitchen, hot food, person sleeping, building a bet.
	And you have to work 24-7 of teams of four and five and each work 10-day shifts.
	Okay.
	And they go and then they switch and then they switch.
	With 700 trucks, I believe.
	And this would be a project that would take many, many years to go through.
	But this is the way they would go to it.
	And he's kind of giving his presentation.
	And anyways, I had the conversation with a couple of different people.
	But this is the point.
	The point is, okay, so come deport me.
	Hey, we're sending you back home.
	Oh, you know what?
	Sorry didn't work out.
	You know what I'm saying?
	All the money I give to the coyote and all the people that came and took my kids and we came through here.
	No problem.
	Send me back home.
	I'll follow the rules.
	That's not how this is going to work.
	There are going to be TV cameras at every deportation choke point, and they're going to be filming these ICE agents, going door to door, doing whatever they, how terrible is that going to look?
	And they're going to exploit that and it's going to look awful and people are going to be upset.
	People are going to be fighting back.
	It is probably that's why, no, but we have to do it.
	But that's why you can't let them in in the first place.
	Because once they're here, it's very hard to get them.
	Well, let me tell you, here's what's worse.
	If a 9-11 type of event takes place the next 12 months, America will flip very quickly.
	Whenever that position changes, and all of a sudden we have a crisis of the 9-11 type of magnet, I hope we don't get to that point.
	But when people get a little bit too sloppy and they forget how fickle life is and how quickly it can come and directly impact you and I, and then you sit there and say, no, no, no, I don't agree with that.
	We have to flip very quickly and go the other way.
	Tom, your thoughts on this?
	I'm sitting here patiently boiling.
	I'm about to have an aneurysm.
	The whole issue that I think people are failing to understand, you have to be understanding what's going on.
	Venezuela is emptying prisons and they are sending criminals here.
	They're sending the worst.
	It's true.
	You see, this is no different than what Castro did emptying his prisons when he absolutely flanked Jimmy Carter on the Muriel boat lift and just polluted Miami with criminals, not people.
	Give us your tired, your poor, your Huddled Masters, yearning to breathe free that says on Statue of Liberty.
	This was a criminal element.
	And now Venezuela is telling not just the United States, but the United States sent a bunch to Mexico and tried to basically, I guess, commingle criminals.
	And Mexico sent a flight to Venezuela and Venezuela gave Mexico the finger and sent them back.
	So how do you take the criminals that are here that are worsted with?
	Jesse, you're right.
	It's going to look terrible.
	It's going to look really, really bad.
	But the worst of it that's here is we are bringing huge numbers of criminal element that are around an honest family that did give coyotes money and came here the wrong way.
	But they're just looking for a better life, but they did it wrong and we got to figure it out.
	But the question is, where do you send the criminals that go back when you have a Venezuela that doesn't even want to take them?
	And so only Trump's going to be able to make Venezuela take them back.
	Well, the current guy, I mean, the current president, we're only one flight of stairs and a slip from an even worse president, is that you need to have balls in the White House that is able to make that decision.
	And I think if you're listening and you're paying attention and you live in friggin Omaha, Nebraska, this is your problem as much as it's anybody else's problem.
	You got to get behind this thing because the deportation is not mean-spirited.
	It's about safety in America.
	It's about doing it right.
	There's no such thing as an American race.
	We all come from somewhere, and that somewhere is...
	But Jesse's right, though, Tom.
	What Jesse's talking about is the fact that they're going to play to the heart and they're going to play that towards mothers.
	And they're going to look at the screen and they're going to say, I want you to see this video.
	Look at the look on the kid's face.
	Hey, to all the mothers out there, they have a child.
	How do you feel if you're separated from a kid like this?
	How long could you go like this?
	You know who did this?
	Trump.
	This is who did it.
	And this is what the Republicans want.
	And look what they're doing.
	They've been doing this.
	And the stuff like this that I see is the stuff that I saw that happened in Germany and this.
	Is that the country where we're coming?
	Are you comfortable representing the world that this is who that's the spin job that's going to take it to be, remember Ilian Gonzalez?
	Of course.
	Millions of Elian Gonzales.
	The baby in the arms of the mom and the agent with the gun.
	You want to hear a funny backstory about that?
	You know how that's just a picture?
	It's just a picture.
	There was a, I believe it was a CBS photographer there, and he had his camera, and he was supposed to roll video of this.
	You know what he did?
	He double-punched.
	Oh, wow.
	He hit it twice.
	And all he got was a half-second frame.
	That's just a frame grab.
	Rob, what year was that?
	The ridiculous camper man ruining the best moment of his life.
	Did he get fired?
	Yeah, of course.
	Of course he got fired.
	And so that's why you don't have video of that.
	Okay.
	Well, ironically enough, Alien Gonzalez, I grew up in Miami.
	I remember the story very well.
	He's now running for some sort of political figure in Cuba, ironically.
	We put up Alien Gonzalez.
	Look, born and raised in Miami, I have so many Cuban friends, Venezuelan friends, Colombian friends, Brazilian friends, Mexican friends, Haitian friends, everything.
	I think, and this, far be it from me to give Trump advice, because there is a criminal element to all this.
	Releasing of the prisons, we saw it in the 80s.
	The movie Scarface was based on this exact premise.
	But lo and behold, Miami is literally built by Cubans.
	Some Jews too.
	The best city in the country at this point.
	Hello.
	So at some point, whether they're illegal, legal, we're going to have to ingratiate them into society.
	So I don't like villainizing immigrants.
	We are a country of immigrants.
	We're also a country of laws and rules.
	So my advice to Trump, because he's going to use the rhetoric, and rightfully so, the open border situation is a shit show.
	But if and when he's elected, there's a difference between running and leading.
	When he's here, he's going to have to have empathy and say, I was elected to clean up this border, to clean up this mess.
	And everyone can't stay.
	I'm sorry.
	Well, the word, they're going to have to go and you're going to see some images that are unsavory.
	I don't think he's going to stay.
	I was elected to get these people out.
	Yeah, but that would, and you know that, but Adam, you said the word illegal.
	No.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Everybody keeps forgetting this word, guys.
	It's not like we're not delusional.
	Illegal means you're not so, it's the law, okay?
	And I'm sorry.
	I don't even give that buffer.
	You got to go.
	Like, you got to go.
	And by the way, this is my thing because I'm a freaking patron.
	I'm an American.
	One person dying is too much.
	Majorcas, Biden, the whole administration, blood all over their hands.
	One person, Lake and Riley, we mentioned earlier, she's murdered by a guy that doesn't belong here.
	End of story, bro.
	It's over.
	And Pat, you made a point.
	God forbid one of these 9-11 moments happens.
	We would hope that it's going to make Americans go, you see, it was a border.
	What I'm worried about is if something like that happens, what happened on 9-11?
	Nobody, everybody just united as one and it was love.
	We've talked about it.
	That's what I'm worried about.
	I want people to go, no, no, no, how the F did that happen?
	And right then and there be like, oh, it was a China hack or whatever the hell is that?
	I want you to play this clip.
	I'm with you for that check.
	I want you to check for unity.
	I want you to play this clip here.
	And by the way, if Trump wins, this guy is going to be back running the border.
	And I want to remind you guys who this guy is when he sat down with AOC and AOC tried to grill him.
	And watch what happened to AOC when she tried to grill a man who knows the law.
	He'll hear the border.
	Go ahead and watch.
	It's just entertaining.
	Go ahead.
	Of the many that you recommended, you recommended family separation.
	I recommend a zero tolerance.
	Which includes family separation.
	The same as is with every U.S. citizen parent gets arrested when they're with a child.
	Bartender.
	Zero tolerance was interpreted as the policy that separated children from their family.
	If I get arrested for DUI and I have a young child in a car, I'm going to be separated.
	When I was a police officer in New York and I arrested a father for domestic violence, I separated that.
	Mr. Holman, with all due respect, legal asylums are not charged with any crime.
	What?
	When you're in the country illegally, it's a violation of eight United States Code 1325.
	Seeking asylum is legal.
	Do you want to seek assignment to go through the port of entry?
	Do it the legal way.
	The Attorney General of the United States has made that clear.
	Okay.
	And so the recommendation is a lot of fun.
	So this guy, Tom Holman, is one of the most feared men when it comes down to this because he knows the law.
	And to be a guy like that, you have to be as strong as he is to run it.
	If Trump gets elected, this guy's protecting your border.
	And I think, like, think about what kind of a personality you want working security at your bar.
	Then think about what kind of a security guard you want running a nightclub that has 2,000 people coming in.
	Then think about what kind of security guard you want running a nightclub that top-notch celebrities and Hollywood and all.
	You need a real one.
	Then think about what kind of a security guard you want protecting a community Bel-Air where famous people live.
	And then think about what kind of security guard you want.
	You get the idea where I'm going with this.
	Then think about what kind of a security guard you want protecting your border.
	That's the guy.
	Anyway, I want to go to the next story.
	Next story is Baron Trump.
	If you can pull up this picture, Rob, that went viral with Justin Waller posted it.
	This is the picture that was posted.
	Can you go to his tweet?
	Dude.
	Go to Justin Waller's Twitter account.
	So this was, if you go to Justin Waller's Twitter account right there, he posts this picture.
	Okay, which kids?
	How many views does he get?
	Go to the bottom.
	42.
	Holy shit.
	He gets 42 million views.
	So this is a picture of Kobe to the left.
	A man.
	And then you got Justin with the chest hair to the second to the left.
	He looks like a Brad Pitt guy, good guy.
	Then you got the short guy in the middle, Aaron Trump.
	Yeah.
	6'7.
	Okay, 6'7.
	Then it's me, then it's Bo.
	And Bo and Baron are best friends.
	I think Bo's father is a senator, ex-senator, I believe.
	Go to the Missouri, Rob, can you go back to the reaction people had towards this picture?
	The guy that reacted to it with clothes.
	If you can just go to my account, you'll be able to see him at the top, how he broke down everybody.
	I mean, this was like a clinic, what this guy did.
	Go a little bit more right there, right there.
	Okay, so this guy, Derek Gray, just click on his account.
	Oh, this guy.
	Yeah, so this guy keeps going down until you see him breaking all of it down.
	I mean, the feedback he gives, keep going, Let's see it.
	Hopefully, this guy doesn't tweet like 700 times a day.
	Apparently, he does.
	Keep going.
	Keep going, keep going, keep going.
	All right.
	So he's one of those guys.
	Okay, right there.
	Here we go.
	Break it down.
	Go to it and go to the bottom where he's commenting on everybody.
	Oh, this isn't the one.
	You got to go back one before this.
	And keep going.
	You'll see it.
	You'll see.
	Okay, so here goes.
	So he comments here.
	Finally, jacket and trousers should always work together to form a harmonious whole.
	When trousers are too low, rise and tapered like this.
	They look at odds with the coat.
	Okay, cool.
	Let's see the next one.
	So this is Patrick's outfit.
	Here is pretty good, except for a critical part.
	Ready, Patrick?
	Listen up.
	The jacket's collar should always hug your neck.
	What is the matter with you?
	Patrick, I tell you this all the time.
	It's difficult to judge why a jacket isn't hugging a person's neckline.
	Go a little lower.
	Let's see what he does.
	He doesn't hold back on anybody, by the way.
	Keep going, keep going, keep going.
	Okay, here we go.
	He goes after shoes.
	Although you don't always have to choose classic footwear, doing so will provide you with the guardrails against falling into stuff like this.
	Two-tone tassel driving mocks and double monks.
	Anyway, so okay, keep going to the next one.
	Let's see what he does next.
	Keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going.
	Okay, here we go with the jackets.
	The shoulders and sleeves on the purple suit are too small, making the person look like he's about to burst out of his coat.
	The second coat doesn't even look like it can be fastened.
	Both men are wearing trousers that are too narrow and tapered.
	Okay, all right.
	So listen, apparently, he's a guy that people listen to when it comes onto the space.
	But let's go back to this picture.
	So I'm doing a podcast.
	I get an email saying Baron Trump wants to have dinner with you because he follows the content.
	I'm like, okay, Sam, can you verify this?
	Sam makes a few phone calls.
	He says, no, it's real.
	That's the day we did the podcast with Stephen A. Smith.
	So I said, I won't be able to make it because we're doing dinner.
	They asked 7 o'clock.
	They said they changed.
	They're willing to do 8:30.
	I said, okay.
	We finish with Stephen A. Me, you, and Tom.
	We head up there.
	Tom meets us there, me and you drive up there, right?
	With the top 10 and your hair is all messed up.
	My hair is like a crazy person.
	We get there, and Baron comes out and we go sit down and have dinner with Baron.
	Now, you got to realize, I'm so curious who this kid is, right?
	He just turned 20, 18 years old, March 20th.
	And so you're watching him.
	So, so what are you going to be doing?
	You're going to go to school?
	You're going to do this?
	And he's kind of going through the whole process.
	What he's not going to be doing, what he's going to be doing.
	I've never seen Tom laugh this hard for an hour and a half.
	Tom is one of those guys that if we go to dinner, no one's going to talk more than Tom.
	And Tom can go.
	He's a professional talker and he's going to give you a lot of history lessons, everything, because he's so well read.
	But he's a modern in Wikipedia, the living Wikipedia is Tom Ellsworth.
	If Wikipedia goes out of business, I'll say Fierce.
	That's good.
	Yeah, we're good.
	Check Tom.
	Tom didn't say a single word.
	Yep.
	Nothing, Jesse, for an hour and a half.
	And we just watched Baron run dinner with stories, entertainment, everything.
	What was your experience with?
	Because mind you, you know, he's 18.
	You know what I was doing when I was 18?
	I was in the military.
	I was acting like a freaking maniac.
	Witty, smart, hilarious, you know, pilot.
	Like he was smart on politics.
	He's like, you know, everybody's always going to fight.
	There's left, there's right.
	I think one of the hardest I laughed is when he goes, look, my, because all of a sudden the music just comes on loud, right, Jesse?
	And we're like, what the hell is that?
	He's like, my freaking dad's the DJ.
	All you see is the president on his iPad, the lights in his face.
	Nothing comes compares.
	No kidding compares to you.
	Are we really?
	And I love it because you look back and it's Donald Trump, the light on this thing.
	And Baron's like, guys, like, I'll be in my room and the house is shaking.
	Like, my dad plays the music loud.
	But going back to Baron, like, what a good, like, head on his shoulders, professional.
	Then at the end, like, he was literally like, he was like, Vinny, whenever you guys want to come dinner, whenever you want to come, blah, blah, blah.
	You hit me up.
	He goes, you know what?
	You know what I like?
	Amazing.
	Amazing.
	One of the stories he told.
	So I don't know who starts telling this story.
	He's saying, yeah, you know, my dad comes from trailer homes.
	Well, it was Bo, Bo.
	Bo was like, yeah.
	Kobe and this and this and that.
	And everybody's kind of talking about their sob story.
	And then Baron's like, yeah, same here.
	I mean, I was born in a penthouse of a building all the way up the top.
	Life was hard.
	Talked about being fed by a silver spoon.
	Who would ever eat food with a silver spoon?
	Mine was gold.
	But on it, that was my question.
	You know what's really interesting?
	You would think what was making me laughing was just honest life anecdotes, anecdotes about family.
	And it was just cracking me up.
	He was a kid.
	He wasn't snide.
	He wasn't telling dirty jokes.
	He was very, very balanced, talking about getting ready to go to college, talking about where he could make shift colleges if his dad's job changes and things like this.
	And just going through it, it was cracking me up.
	And then he was there with a buddy, his friend Bo.
	They were talking about their little life adventures together and how Bond.
	I'm not going into all the stories, but.
	No, no, no.
	We're not going to go into the detail, but Bo gets hurt and he's talking about going through things like that.
	But I found an incredibly balanced, engaging, very witty, funny guy.
	And I really came away, really liked Mikaela.
	It was tough.
	For me, it was weird.
	But I was busting up.
	Sharp, funny, sarcastic, tough, not weak.
	Like, hey, grounded.
	You know, they said the other day, it's officially a fair game to come after me.
	I don't care.
	Good, do it.
	I get it.
	They've gone and done it to every kid.
	What's the difference?
	Why should I?
	It was very interesting the way he handled it.
	And it was very, very interesting to see because think about it that he has a head on his shoulders like that.
	Look at what he has to go through for the rest of his life.
	Look at what the left and the media and everybody has done to his father, to that name, for the rest of his life.
	He's, you know, obviously.
	He said the best thing.
	One said, which one of the kids has spent the most time around Trump?
	It could be him.
	I think so.
	All the other kids spend time around Donald when he was building 40-year-old, 50-year-olds.
	This is different when you're at this phase and you're around your dad at this, like at the thick of things.
	You're living at the White House.
	It's like a whole different thing.
	He's the only one that lived in the way.
	Let me ask you from a comedian perspective because you guys came back.
	You're like, this guy is hilarious.
	Yeah.
	Stop it.
	By the way, shout out to Justin Wallace, my buddy.
	It's good to see that he actually buttoned up one of his buttons.
	Nice.
	There's no shirt.
	There's no shirt.
	And I saw Kobe at the heat camp the other day.
	Great Dobby's a G. You know the difference between a fake laugh when a boss tells a joke and a real laugh.
	You're a comedian.
	We did comedy as well.
	Legit funny or Adam.
	Legit to where it's it's it's Patrick, uh, Tom.
	I can't really see Tom.
	I know he's dying laughing.
	And then Baron, and you know me.
	I'm, I don't laugh to laugh.
	I'm piecing it together.
	And I was like, holy shit.
	Yep.
	He's funny and good for this.
	Quick.
	There wasn't a second.
	Have you met him, Jesse?
	I haven't met him, but I've heard some stories.
	And when this is over, I'm going to tell you one of the funniest Baron Trump stories.
	Oh, I cannot tell it here because it's going to, it's too good.
	But I'll tell you later.
	Really?
	It's good.
	So, Vinny, who's funnier?
	Baron Trump or Tom Ellsworth?
	Two of the funniest guys I know.
	Tough.
	Oh, my God.
	You can't put him on the spotlight.
	I can't.
	That's embarrassing.
	But, you know, you're talking about a guy that's a professional comedian in Silicon Valley for engineers.
	Bro, they still talk about him in Silicon Valley.
	He's the word.
	They talk about the business.
	That is different.
	87%.
	To understand Tom's jokes, you need a minimum of an 88.
	If you don't have an MBA, Tom's joke requires, he doesn't do jokes with a bachelor's degree.
	Oh, yeah, no, for let alone people without a degree.
	Are you kidding me?
	His jokes are required.
	Yes.
	Because Tom will tell you after the joke.
	Like, you're staring at Tom.
	He's like, you don't get it?
	I'm like, Tom, I just went to the middle of the school for eight years to understand that joke.
	You know, it's interesting.
	One of the things Baron said, and Jesse, I want to ask you something.
	One of the things Baron said was, hey, I'm 18 years old now.
	So now I can get arrested for things.
	There's a lot of things that go on.
	But I know that now the media is going to, you know, that certain outlets in the media are going to take their gloves off and do things.
	You know, during the Obama administration, that administration was very protective of Sasha and Malia.
	And we've seen things where people, reporters have indicated, you have no idea.
	They actually threatened, you know, to pull press corps coverage from a network if some network person at the Milwaukee affiliate, you know, covered or had pictures of the Obama kids.
	Did you hear that when you were at Fox?
	Was there a real chokehold being put on the media?
	That's with everybody, but that's with the Bush daughters too.
	And they probably partied harder than Malia and Sasha.
	And they were a little bolder.
	And so, yeah.
	And so, yes, of course.
	And they were that way for Chelsea as well.
	And you always have to be like that.
	You have to be really, really hardcore when it comes to protecting your family in the White House when that kind of press scrutiny is just exacting and could be damaging to the children.
	Jesse, how long have you been with Fox now?
	My whole life.
	Wow.
	Since I was 23.
	Wow.
	23.
	I started in the basement of Fox making minimum wage, working Tuesdays through Sundays, 12 p.m. to midnight.
	I sat next to a girl named Candy who dotted her eye with a heart.
	Oh, I love her already.
	And I was just doing probably arts and crafts.
	They'd hand me a tape.
	I'd get a Sharpie.
	I'd write the name on it and I'd hand it to somebody else.
	That was it.
	Wow.
	And then I found out that there was an opening on the O'Reilly Factor.
	And I said, I need to get out of here.
	And I got an interview.
	And this is when he was doing radio.
	And I go in during a commercial break.
	And he looks at my resume.
	He says, What's your dad do?
	I told him what my dad did.
	And then I think he forgot I was there.
	And for about 30 seconds, it was silent.
	And then I was like, Bill, I read your latest book.
	It was amazing.
	And all of a sudden, he perks up and he says, you seem like a smart kid.
	You start Monday.
	Just like smart.
	How well did you get to spend time with Roger Ayrols?
	How well did you know Roger?
	No, I didn't know him as well as you're alluding to, but I'm not alluding to anything.
	Oh, okay.
	He didn't make you twirl.
	So, how did you make Gutfell twirl?
	I have a question on Gutford.
	But, dude, respect to you.
	You've been there for 20 plus years.
	How many?
	Yeah, about 20 years.
	Respect to you.
	So, you know, Roger died in what, 2017?
	I believe so.
	So, I mean, I watched that movie.
	Pat made me actually watch the movie Divide and Conquer.
	It's a must-watch for everyone.
	It's a ridiculous movie.
	The impact this guy had in American in the world, making Fox News the number one cable news station in the country.
	It's ridiculous.
	You know, pre-Roger, post-Roger, what's going on there?
	So, like, the names that have come through there, your guy, Bill O'Reilly, Megan Kelly, Tucker.
	Now you have yourself, Hannity, Laura Ingram, Guttfeld, who likes to pick on you from time to time.
	How would you say the current lineup is historically, as far as where it stands, based the test of time with the other big names we said?
	And where do you see the future of Fox?
	Because, you know, we see people cutting the cable, cutting the cords.
	People are getting older.
	They're getting grayer.
	What's your well, the cutting cords is it's above my pay grade.
	I don't really know, but they have a plan for it.
	Okay.
	They won't tell me what the plan is, but I'm sure they have a plan.
	It's been a very successful company for a very long time.
	We make billions of dollars.
	So that's not something that we're concerned about.
	But I was there in 2003, starting out, and it was O'Reilly was at 8 o'clock.
	Hannity and Colms.
	Remember, we had a debate show.
	Yeah.
	And you don't see that anymore.
	And then you had Greta Van Sustran, and it was a different vibe back then because there was no internet.
	You didn't have Twitter.
	You didn't have podcasts.
	There was really no social media.
	So if a newsmaker or a celebrity or a politician wanted to get the word out about something, they had to go on television.
	They couldn't just go on their own platform and promote it on Instagram or anything.
	They couldn't go to the thousands of podcasts they have.
	They had to go on the O'Reilly factor.
	And so we would get huge.
	I mean, we had Diddy.
	You know, we had people, we had Bush, we had Obama.
	Bill O'Reilly interviewed Obama multiple times.
	Wow.
	That doesn't happen anymore.
	And you saw, they always had this tradition at the Super Bowl when the president at halftime or beforehand or whatever goes and does the interview with the company that has it.
	Biden stopped doing it.
	And so you don't have those kind of things anymore now.
	I think.
	So O'Reilly left in 2017.
	They bumped Tucker up and then moved Laura Ingram, I think, to 10 o'clock.
	And then the five took off.
	And the five just been incredibly successful.
	And then Tucker left.
	And I guess I was next in line.
	And it's just an honor to be at the 8 o'clock slot.
	Well, let's freaking frankly.
	Ask the question, then he's got a piss.
	This is three podcasts.
	Let me tell you, you got to go see a prostate guy.
	Yo, that's a prostate problem.
	Okay, let's go to the next story.
	By the way, what a sick story to go from the bottom to where you are now.
	That's pretty insane.
	Like I said, I'm just good at not getting fired.
	But literally from the basement to the.
	But you know what, though, to me, like when you hear stories of the empires that were built, capitalism back in the days, you know, McDonald's and all these guys, they used to say the guy that eventually runs the company later on comes from the bottom and makes his way to the top.
	These are by far the best stories to hear about.
	Companies nowadays, it's hard to find guys like Jesse that stick around and eventually get their opportunity.
	You do your part, you keep improving, you see when things open up, you keep getting there, you keep showing up, you keep doing your thing, and then all of a sudden, holy shit, you're the face.
	And then what happened is all of a sudden, boom, I just did my part and eventually got my opportunity.
	Congrats on all that.
	Thank you very much.
	Truly, it's a big thing.
	I really appreciate it.
	And I want to wrap up with California, and then we can finish off and talk about the increase in prostate cancer and guys in the early 40s that are single, but we'll skip that part.
	But let's talk about California.
	So here we go with California.
	So California businesses take on Gavin Newsom over tax hikes.
	This is kind of interesting.
	Tom, I'm going to come to you first, and then I'll come to Jesse about the restaurant stuff as well.
	So California businesses take on Gavin Newsome.
	A coalition led by California Business Roundtable is actively challenging Governor Newsom and Democratic lawmakers over tax hikes in California.
	The proposed Taxpayer Protection Act requiring a two-thirds voter majority for local tax increase and rollback.
	Recent hikes reflects a significant shift, akin to 1978's Proposition 13.
	Rob Lapsley's president of Roundtable emphasized the urgency.
	The business community is fed up about times you guys did something.
	And they recognize that if they don't do it, nobody will.
	Proponents argue escalating taxes are driving businesses away.
	Governor Newsom, however, warns of dire consequence, stating the proposal would decimate funding for basic services such as trash collection and firefighting, highlighting potential budgeting hurdles.
	Local officials feared the initiative's passage could revoke crucial tax increases like Walnut Creek's half-cent sales tax, endangering projects like additional police officers and library hours.
	While this is happening, New York Post comes with a story.
	Two days ago, same day, Governor Newsom, the restaurant he owns, offering jobs at $16 an hour despite new state laws are $20 an hour for workers.
	So Plump Jack Cafe, a restaurant partly owned by Gavin Newsom, faces backlash for advertising a part-time busser position at $16 an hour, despite the new state law mandating a $20 hourly wage for fast food workers.
	Despite Newsom's disengagement from day-to-day operations following his election as governor in 2018, his business' jobs listing drew criticism from Republican Assembly member Joe Patterson, who questioned the inconsistency, pointing out the $20 wage requirement while fast food chain like Burger King in L.A. raise minimum menu prices to accommodate the increase, the wage gap raises concerns about affordability, et cetera, et cetera.
	Tom, your thoughts on what's going on with Gavin Newsom in California.
	Well, look, bad policies have consequences and bad leadership.
	Sometimes it comes home to Roost.
	We know, at least half of America is willing to admit, Gavin Newsom is a duplicit politico coming out of the Pelosi crime family who desperately wants to run for president.
	And he's been trying to make himself the shadow over the last year, just in case somebody falls down the stairs.
	And now we find out that he owns a business and they're not even in compliance with the populist movement that he went out on the $20 an hour rage.
	And then it's not just a group of businesses.
	And this was a Wall Street Journal story that the Daily Mail picked up.
	But this came out of the journal.
	It's the California Business Roundtable.
	That is one of the largest business groups, and it is largely independent.
	There are Republicans, Democrats, and Independents that are business owners that are part of the business roundtable.
	It leans conservative, but it's got a very big tent there.
	And they are all coming back to the state saying, look, all these tax increases, a half a percent on this, a half a percent on this, disability tax on here.
	Anybody that's worked there has seen it.
	And now they're coming back and saying, hey, there's a revolt.
	And by the way, the revolts are coming out of nowhere.
	These are the remaining businesses.
	These aren't the ones that have closed and people have left the state.
	So it's all coming home to roost for Gavin Newsom.
	He deserves these headlines that he's getting right now.
	And if people are paying attention, this is the guy that wants to be president.
	Jesse, I know you love Gavin's policies.
	What are you talking about?
	This wonderful governor's.
	You're very good at math.
	So see if you can do this in your head.
	You probably can.
	If you're making $20 an hour to work at a fast food restaurant, right?
	Is that six figures?
	Are you making six?
	No, no, no, $50 is just two exits and not a few zeros.
	Okay.
	So $40K a year.
	Okay, full time.
	$40K a year.
	So, and then if your husband or wife is also there, you're making $100,000 as a family.
	Sure.
	Both working at McDonald's.
	$80,000.
	Okay, that's crazy.
	That is crazy because that job really doesn't require much.
	So it's inflating the entire labor sector.
	And the happy meal.
	And the happy meal.
	Unhappy, very unhappy.
	Which I'm very unhappy about.
	But I believe Gavin Newsom will be president one day.
	The man is smooth.
	He's already currying up to the Republican side.
	You saw him go on Hannity.
	He dive-bombed a couple of Fox News events.
	He's savvy.
	And I think a lot of people are underestimating me.
	He had no facts on his side when he debated DeSantis.
	And he held his own.
	I mean, I think he lost, but he held his own.
	And he has a lot of bad facts.
	So I think he's a real threat.
	He's got good hair.
	Very good hair.
	He's tall, got a nice-looking family, a lot of California cash.
	He owns a vineyard.
	He sends people bottles of wine that he's trying to grease.
	I mean, he could be a problem.
	But I tell you one thing.
	Unless Baron Trump runs for president.
	But we got to wait 17 years for that, right?
	But you know, one thing with California that I like that's happening now, the only thing is, why are you doing it now?
	Kind of like Jeremy Boring, the Ben Shapiro on Kansas.
	Why don't you do it five months ago?
	Why don't you do it four months ago?
	Why are you waiting till, you know, it's like one time I went to El Torito and we had this waiter and Sergio, and Amanda's name was Jacopo.
	I'll never forget this.
	Jakopo was a 38-year-old guy, married with three kids.
	His wife didn't speak any English.
	He was a breadwinner.
	And Sergio was the one that I would go to.
	He would always give me that pumpkin seed dressing back in the days, the El Torito from Encino on Victory, on Ventura and Balboa.
	I was there three days a week.
	It was that good.
	It was great food.
	Anyways, we sit down with Jakopo and Jakopo sits down with one of our guys, Tony, and he presents them.
	They need an insurance policy.
	Jacopo tells Tony, I know what you're doing, because he asked the question.
	God forbid, if something happens to you, what's going to happen to your wife and three kids?
	Because she doesn't speak English and she doesn't have a job.
	Oh, I know what you're doing.
	You're trying to use the fear tactic for me.
	I'm 38.
	Nothing's going to happen to me.
	Okay.
	We leave.
	Next week, we go to El Torito.
	Sergio is somber.
	I said, what's up, Sergio?
	Did you hear about what happened?
	No.
	Jacopo just passed away.
	I said, you're joking.
	No.
	I said, are you serious?
	He said, he just passed away.
	Wife, three kids, could have bought a quarter million dollar insurance policy for $100 a month.
	Nothing.
	Wife would have gotten $250, zero.
	Gone to the wife.
	Look like a regular guy.
	Never thought anything would happen to this guy.
	Gone, right?
	Sometimes when you're in California, live there 20-something years, I know all the freeways in Southern California.
	I can drive there with my eyes closed.
	I'm probably not going to get into an accident if there's nobody in front of me.
	Going 165 miles an hour, which will never do because you're supposed to drive 65 miles an hour.
	But I love California's weather.
	I love the relationships we built all those years of living there.
	The business owners stayed quiet for too long.
	Now you want to make noise?
	After having the net migration loss be number one three years straight, I think it's two or three years straight.
	No one's even close to your number one state in the last four years for losing the most people.
	The first time California ever lost people since 1851 was under Gavin Newsom, and he did it back to back to back.
	Now you want to come say something.
	Weird.
	Got it.
	Guess what, guy?
	It's too late.
	Okay.
	It's too late.
	Go push forward.
	Don't let anybody discourage you guys from pushing for it.
	Go push for it, but you got to replace this guy.
	You got to realize that when you increase minimum wage to 20 bucks and a Big Mac is now worth whatever it's worth, the average family cannot do anything with it.
	So, you may say, husband and wife are making 80 grand here, six figures in California working at McDonald's.
	That's nothing in California because of how high the cost of living is.
	So, California has been destroyed, not like it can't be saved.
	Somebody new can come in and change the policies, but the part that they have to take from this case study: don't wait for somebody else to do it.
	Be proactive before shit hits the fan.
	And now, for many, it's too late.
	Many businesses, you already lost Musk, you already lost Rogan, you already lost Toyota, you already lost a lot of people that left you and went to the other side.
	Because if California and Texas had a baby, we know what that state is, it's Florida.
	Florida offers you the best of both worlds of California and Texas, and Florida's kicking.
	California lost PBD, yeah.
	California lost a lot of people, they lost a lot of people.
	But, anyways, uh, Jesse, great having you on.
	Thank you so much for having me.
	I took your message.
	I understand what you know.
	Fair, we'll make that work because I also enjoy being on with you as well.
	But more than anything else, bro, I got to tell you, the best part about these types of conversations is learning about somebody's story.
	Now, I will always look at you when you're doing your show in a completely different lens because you saw me without a blazer.
	Because I saw you what you were doing 15 years ago, and I'm like, look at freaking how awesome that is.
	So, when I was researching, coming on the show, and I did very little research, but when I looked into you, I love how you're so obsessed with success.
	And I love how you love the success stories, the routines, the discipline, the drive, the competitive attitude.
	And that's really inspiring.
	And next time I come back, I want to talk to you about how to be successful and what it takes to accomplish your dreams.
	I look forward to it.
	I definitely look forward to it.
	Gang, we're going to put the link below.
	Get it together.
	Troubling Tales from the Liberal Fringe, number one New York Times bestseller.
	This is the second book that's number one New York Times bestseller.
	Rob, let's put the link below.
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	Having said that, gang, have a great weekend.
	We'll do it again next Tuesday.
	Take care.

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