PBD - Patrick Bet-David - Disney's Downfall, Woke Hollywood, and Cancel Culture w/ Gina Carano | PBD Podcast

Feb. 28, 2024 - PBD - Patrick Bet-David

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Disney's Downfall, Woke Hollywood, and Cancel Culture w/ Gina Carano | PBD Podcast | Ep. 371

Patrick Bet-David, Adam Sosnick, Tom Ellsworth, and Vincent Oshana are joined by actress and MMA fighter Gina Carano! Gina Carano is an American actress and former mixed martial artist. She competed in EliteXC and Strikeforce from 2006 to 2009, where she compiled a 7–1 record. Carano retired from competition and transitioned from the ring to the screen, landing her first major role as the lead of the action film "Haywire," which was followed by appearances in "Fast & Furious 6" and "Deadpool." She also portrayed Cara Dune in the first two seasons of the Disney+ space Western series "The Mandalorian" from 2019 to 2020. 2:34 - Gina discusses when she started speaking out about COVID mandates. 10:20 - Gina discusses the Tweets that got her in trouble with Disney. 14:04 - Gina on her relationship with Disney's Kathleen Kennedy. 22:41 - Gina explains if she received any calls of support from Hollywood following her firing from Disney. 23:53 - Gina explains what Tweet got her fired from Disney's "The Mandalorian" 31:16 - Gina on the impact of being fired from Disney had on her career. 46:51 - Who is running Disney? Bob Iger, Kathleen Kennedy or Lucasfilm 51:30 - How Elon Musk became involved in Gina's lawsuit against Disney and Lucasfilm. 59:33 - Where Gina's lawsuit against Disney stand today? 1:05:12 - Who fears Kathleen Kennedy and Disney the most? 1:11:12 - Social media and influencers affect on Hollywood. 1:18:59 - How Disney's PR firm pressured Gina to unfollow certain influencer accounts who were critical of Disney. 1:22:14 - Gina's relationship with Ryan Reynolds, Blake Lively, and Harry Cavill. 1:34:00 - Who should be the next James Bond? 1:41:01 - Gina's MMA career and how she influenced Ronda Rousey to go into mixed martial arts. 1:43:09 - Why Gina's UFC fight against Ronda Rousey never materialized. Follow Gina Carano on X: https://bit.ly/48z5Izf Follow Gina Carano on Instagram: https://bit.ly/3URVjeP Connect one-on-one with the right expert to get the answers you need with Minnect: https://bit.ly/3MC9IXE Connect with Patrick on Minnect: https://bit.ly/3OoiGIC Connect with Tom on Minnect: https://bit.ly/3UgJjmR Connect with Vincent on Minnect: https://bit.ly/47TFCXq Connect with Adam on Minnect: https://bit.ly/42mnnc4 Purchase Patrick's new book "Choose Your Enemies Wisely": https://bit.ly/41bTtGD Register to win a Valuetainment Boss Set (valued at over $350): https://bit.ly/41PrSLW Get best-in-class business advice with Bet-David Consulting: https://bit.ly/40oUafz Visit VT.com for the latest news and insights from the world of politics, business and entertainment: https://bit.ly/472R3Mz Visit Valuetainment University for the best courses online for entrepreneurs: https://bit.ly/47gKVA0 Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! Get PBD's Intro Song "Sweet Victory" by R-Mean: https://bit.ly/3T6HPdY SUBSCRIBE TO: @VALUETAINMENT @vtsoscast @ValuetainmentComedy @bizdocpodcast @theunusualsuspectspodcast Want to be clear on your next 5 business moves? https://bit.ly/3Qzrj3m Join the channel to get exclusive access to perks: https://bit.ly/3Q9rSQL Download the podcasts on all your favorite platforms https://bit.ly/3sFAW4N Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

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	Okay, so episode 371 today with the great Gina Carano.
	Now, before I, you know, I want to kind of go through the background and, you know, a few things that she's done.
	If you remember the work that she's done, she's been in a lot of movies.
	Fast and a Furious 6, Deadpool, The Mandalorian, 2019, 2020.
	She was about to do her own series afterwards.
	There was a bit of a falling out with her and Disney.
	I mean, you know, I want to know how dinner went last night with Kathleen Kennedy and Bob Igra.
	I heard you guys at dinner last night, which is great.
	And before that, she was a fighter, okay?
	And not just a regular fighter.
	Ronda Rousey said her inspiration to become a UFC fighter was Gina Carrano.
	And by the way, her father was a quarterback for the Cowboys.
	Seven seasons, apparently.
	I don't even know that.
	I'm like, that's pretty wild, right?
	Where the right genes are in there.
	And she doesn't do well with bullying.
	She doesn't like it when you try to force her to do something, specifically if the company's name is called Disney.
	She has a hard time with that.
	So if you try to bully her, it won't work out in your favor.
	And aside from that, you know, we were going to have Adam on.
	Adam was so worried about today's podcast.
	He was shivering.
	He told Uber to turn around.
	Never left Miami.
	He said, I'm not going to be able to do this.
	It's great to have you on.
	Thank you for having me there.
	So how was dinner last night with Bobai Grand Castle?
	Oh, it was fabulous.
	We figured everything out and the world is set straight.
	Really?
	What are you guys talking about?
	How was it?
	Me taking over.
	Before people start tweeting, there was no dinner.
	That's a joke, by the way, for people that are maybe.
	No, I'm taking over.
	That part is a different story.
	I endorse that part.
	So, you know, look, I mean, all of us, we've been following your story for a while.
	You know, we know you.
	We've seen you in movies.
	We've seen you fighting.
	We've seen you going through what you went through with Disney.
	I think, when was it, 21 when they made a decision to go a different direction?
	Can you kind of walk us through, you know, what happened with Disney recently, the last three, four years?
	And today, I read that Musk wants to help you out on the legal side.
	Kind of walk us through what's been going on lately.
	Do you want lately as in the version from where Musk came in?
	Go in from everything's going great with Disney.
	Fire.
	All of a sudden.
	Fire.
	Yes, go for it.
	It was going great.
	I was never political.
	I think that certain people in certain times of their life find themselves finally having opinions on things.
	So before, I'd always thought, you know, I pay my taxes.
	I do what I got to do.
	I've met a couple of politicians and they seemed kind of gross.
	And so I was like, never into the political.
	It wasn't like I want to go find a politician husband someday, you know, like, because that wasn't my style.
	So I just kind of stayed out of it.
	And then I started noticing things around 2020 that were concerning, like everybody did.
	I feel like I'm like the average person who is just waking up to what is actually happening in the world in 2020.
	And so I started expressing certain, you know, concerns about, well, first of all, like when the pandemic hit, I was like, oh my gosh.
	Like, I was thinking everybody's going to turn green and boils were going to start happening, and we're all just going to start falling, you know, dead.
	And then, you know, and I was really nervous for those three weeks.
	And then I started noticing, okay, but wait, it's okay for a protest and it's okay, you know, to be that close to a cop and screaming and spitting in their face.
	And we're not worried about COVID then, but we're worried about, you know, people going to churches or we're worried about these smaller businesses.
	Meanwhile, the bigger businesses are being kept open.
	And so it really just bothered me.
	And so I started vocalizing those kinds of things.
	Gina, at the time, is that happening because of a guy you're with, friends you're talking to, friends in Hollywood that are behind closed doors saying, what the F is going on?
	What is this all about?
	That's kind of weird.
	Is it because of a person you heard speak?
	What inspired you to be a little bit more vocal?
	Was there any individual involved in that inspiration?
	No, I was just, I had gotten wrapped season two of The Mandalorian.
	I think it was around March 2020.
	And I had time on my hands.
	Wow, that's the peak.
	That's when it started.
	March 14th.
	That was the NBA day.
	That's right.
	NHL, NBA.
	We were in LA.
	We're going to do a board meeting.
	And all of a sudden, boom, board is canceled.
	No one's showing up.
	And we have to fly back to Dallas.
	Yeah, I think we wrapped season two of Mandalorian March 20 or March 4th or 5th, 2020.
	And then I just started looking up, you know, online and I start doing my own research and I start just kind of, you know, trying to develop my own opinions.
	Like I don't keep a lot of people around me.
	I have my family and my family's very non-political.
	Like, you know, talking about politics in my family is not something I grew up with at all because we're in the service industry in my family.
	And so it's about, you know, you let anybody, you know, come to the table and just, you know, believe what they believe.
	And wasn't your dad like an executive at a casino?
	What did he do at a casino?
	What was his after football?
	Yeah, we're in the casino business.
	Casino business.
	We, I say my family is in the casino business.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	So.
	And they keep they keep their you know beliefs to themselves and they have never I mean I wouldn't even be able to tell you who is like a Democrat or a Republican or Independent in my family because we just don't talk about it.
	It's you know if you're in a service industry you're having people come from all over the world.
	That's right.
	So you know like that's what you keep off the table.
	What was the and while you were in Hollywood doing movies and you're around you know a lot of people that you're doing all these movies were you starting to see any signs of weird things going on or was it sudden in March of 2020 that everything got kind of weird?
	It was sudden.
	I wasn't paying attention.
	I, you know, I was so focused on building a career and having come from professional fighting when I started in 2021, you're just like constantly trying to keep working, constantly trying to get that next job and, you know, being on a series of Mandalorian and actually getting the second one and you know, having a show.
	That was, that's like, that's peak because then you can start doing stuff that you really, really want to do.
	So it was very sudden for me.
	When you, when you went vocal and like when was the first time the world, was there a tweet?
	What was it that you said?
	Yeah, I know you said some things about BLM.
	I know you said some things about a few different things.
	What was the first thing you said that got the world to say, wait a minute, what kind of a position is she taking here?
	Well, I mean, I was, you know, when I saw the George Floyd thing happen, you know, I did do the whole black square in my Instagram first.
	You did do it.
	I did, you know, and even at the beginning of COVID, I did say, you know, there was this really funny thing where I was like, you know, we need to keep the masks for the hospitals so you can make these little masks out of your bras if they're padded.
	And it's like, you know, I was participating and I was like, you know, I wanted, you know, from my heart, I wanted everybody to be okay.
	And I didn't want them to be fearful.
	And I wanted us to all.
	But then I started watching more of what was happening from a different perspective, and my perspective grew.
	And then I took the black square out because I was like, oh.
	And then I was like, and not because I don't think that things are like not messed up or wrong.
	It's just because, you know, trendy stuff is just, it's not where I want to be.
	So the black square, you do.
	I did and put it, took it off.
	And the black square was basically like, every time anything happens in the world, I only want to tell them, like, you know, I want to tell people, take a breath, take a moment.
	There's going to be a lot of emotional reactions.
	And if we take a breath and really kind of like hear what actually transpired, let's get there.
	But it's really hard for.
	I think that's important for the audience because it's not like you're a staunch conservative, Republican, libertarian.
	There's no way I'm doing this.
	You've always been like this.
	And you're not going to push the black square.
	No, you're actually like, no, this is noble.
	This is.
	You're putting your brows out.
	Put it on your face.
	That's right.
	So you're doing this.
	And then at what point are you like, no, this is ridiculous?
	It was really when the protest started happening.
	And I realized, wait a second, I come from a family that started, both of my grandfathers started their businesses from scratch.
	And so you're shutting down all of these mom and pop and smaller restaurants.
	And you're keeping open Walmart.
	And it's just like I started really feeling for those people that were getting destroyed during that time.
	And it was the hypocrisy that I had the biggest problem with.
	Like, if you can go to a protest, then you can go to church, which church for a lot of people is where you can calm yourself, you know, or walks on the beach.
	And living in California, they were destroying the volleyballs, the volleyball, you know, like they were chasing people on the beach who were going for a walk.
	Who were around no one.
	And so that pissed me off, like it did a lot of people.
	Again, nothing to do with you watching a Joe Rogan podcast or the news or reading an article.
	This is all you individually.
	You're like, this shit doesn't make sense.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So then public.
	What's the first public outlet where you gave a message where people in Hollywood are like, wait a minute, what's this all about?
	What did you say that pissed some people off?
	There's a number of things that piss people off.
	I think I told people to open up their businesses.
	If, you know, you can write on the streets, you can open up your business.
	Common sense.
	I told people, gosh, I think the first real massive problem that I really, really ran into was the, it sounds so silly right now to say, the beep, bop, boop.
	Yeah, the trans.
	I mean, I like, I don't know how I'm going to explain this later on in life to family or to my nieces and be like, you know, what happened there?
	I'm like, well, I beep Bobbed and Boop a little too hard, apparently.
	So that was, I put the beep, bop, boop in my, my profile just only to show that you can to expose the bullying that was happening online that, you know, we see so well now.
	But, you know, four years, three years ago, we, you know.
	Which one prompted Disney or executives or your agent or managers from Hollywood, bless you, to call you and say, hey, Gina, you can't do that.
	We're about to get you a big job.
	You cannot post this.
	Please take this off.
	They never said, we're, you know, you, they said, they never said that.
	They said, we need to educate you about the beep bop.
	Who's they?
	The publicists and the publicists who are answering to the higher ups.
	And these publicists, they you're paying or somebody else's paying?
	Well, actually, both.
	And that's a very good question.
	Publicists, the way that Hollywood works and the way it's been happening is like I can hire a publicist for $4,000 to $6,000 a month, right?
	And they could be working for me.
	But some of them are answering to Disney.
	And so Disney's got their own publicists.
	And so you've got the agents, you've got the managers, you've got the publicists, and everybody's like so excited about these bigger companies that they're not really taking care of the individual.
	And then you've got the media, and everybody's got their own journalists that they call to put out information.
	And it's like, it's a mafia.
	And, you know, a person does not stand a chance when they're, you know, not going along with the narrative.
	So the publicist calls you both.
	And then who else, like from high up brass, that anybody from high ranking, brass, Disney, did anybody call you and say, this is not going to work yet?
	Let us educate you on what's the right approach or no?
	No, actually, you know, I offered that.
	You know, I said, you know, if Kathleen Kennedy would like to get on the phone with me, I have no problem with that.
	Let's talk about this.
	I've met her a couple of times, and obviously this is coming from that direction.
	Please, I'd love to talk woman to woman about, you know, anybody who I talked to, I was trying to be very agreeable.
	At the same time, I'm dealing with when you get canceled.
	I don't know.
	It is the hardest thing, one of the hardest things I've ever been through, especially because I was so naive of what was happening.
	Now, it's a lot different.
	Now I would have handled it differently and I would have been a lot calmer, but like I got so stressed to the point of like my skin hurting.
	And I was just like, you don't want to be disappointing people.
	You don't want to be disappointing the best job you've ever had.
	But at the same time, when you feel like your line is here and people are intruding over into your protective space that would make it feel like you're betraying yourself, then you know, you just got to hold that line.
	So is it true that Kathleen Kennedy is the reputation I hear about her is super sweet, very reasonable, understanding, fun to be around.
	Why are you guys laughing?
	She's got the language.
	I just saw the photo that Rob got up there.
	She doesn't look like that person.
	She's got the language of a Mormon mother.
	Yeah.
	Is that what your experience has been with her?
	Or how?
	My experience with Kathleen Kennedy, and by the way, she has had a phenomenal history of work that I respect as a woman to woman.
	You know, you'll see her name pop up on some of these movies and it's like, wow, that is quite incredible, actually.
	And so I, you know, I don't know her entire story.
	I don't know what made her have this wall of defense that she's had.
	You know, she's, you know, maybe she'll tell us all that story someday.
	But yeah, it was very cold, but trying.
	So John Favreau, who is the complete opposite, is just this bear of a man who is just the most lovable person.
	And he would, you know, I get shyer.
	And so he would be like standing there between me and Kathleen Kennedy and like, you know, like, you know, try to initiate the conversations.
	And it wasn't ever, it wasn't ever bad on set.
	It wasn't ever anything like that.
	I had no problems on set.
	It was a beautiful on set.
	And, you know, if a woman's like that, it's fine.
	There's plenty of women that are like that.
	You don't have to be the executive of a company and be a nice person.
	But it was the problems that came afterwards and that energy that happened.
	So what was that experience?
	So like, so on set, you worked on set with her and Favreau.
	She was there very rarely.
	Like very rarely.
	I think I saw her maybe two or three times.
	And your interaction with her when you spoke, how many, if we were to say, this is how many minutes I've spoken to Kathleen Kennedy, what would you say the total time is?
	I'd say like 20 minutes.
	Okay.
	And the 20 minutes was, was it more like, hey, how you doing?
	How are things?
	Or is it more like, don't do this?
	This has changed this.
	What was the 20 minutes?
	It was like two magnets.
	Really?
	And was it obvious?
	I mean, to me, it felt, but I'm sensitive to energy, you know?
	So like, I was like, you know, trying to be my normal self.
	And, you know, she does have walls up.
	And so it's like, okay, you know, I don't know why those walls are there, but it was just like that.
	And that's what it is.
	From the beginning, Gina, or was it after she started realizing like you were awake, not woke?
	You know what I mean?
	Like, was it from the beginning?
	You just had that energy and got you.
	It was from the beginning.
	I remember we went to the Star Wars celebration and we were all up on stage and we go through, you know, everybody go through, you know, they get announced and they go through and they shake everybody else's hand.
	And Kathleen Kennedy, I think was like towards the end.
	And she shook everybody else's hand and I go to shake her hand and she didn't shake my hand.
	Get out of here.
	And I was like, okay.
	All right.
	What is that?
	Accidentally, like she didn't see it or intentionally.
	She just looked at me.
	You think she's threatened?
	Maybe she's threatened by you.
	I have no idea.
	I just realized like that's that energy.
	That's what that's like.
	Is this pre-March 5th when she was like that?
	That was the first introduction into Star Wars.
	Like that was my first, I'm all excited.
	And I'm like, you know, happy to be up on stage.
	And then I was like, okay.
	Now, let me ask you, when you...
	Nothing has happened yet.
	There hasn't been an interchange.
	She just kind of a power move.
	That's what she said.
	Yeah.
	So when you're meeting her and like, are people saying, are people saying things like, hey, Gina, few things you need to know when you work here.
	That person is this.
	This person is this.
	That person is this.
	Like, you know how you go into sports team, like Brett Farr used to play for the Green Bay Packers.
	And the quarterback coach was, was it Mariuchi Tom?
	Mariuchi was a QB coach, or I think it was Mariuchi.
	Mariuchi started QB coach and the whole West Coast system.
	And the coach was, was it Sherman?
	Who was the coach?
	Not Homegroup.
	Homegrown.
	Mike Homegram.
	Mike Homegroup.
	And Brett Farr and Homegram would always have issues.
	But Mariuchi was like in between the buffers.
	Like, I got you.
	Don't worry.
	You and I will work together.
	And coach just wants for you to perform better.
	Did anybody like kind of prepare you for what to expect with these strong media personalities?
	No, no.
	And I think that Star Wars being one of the biggest fan bases and also one of the most controversial, kind of toxic fan bases, there's got two different sides, which I have my theory on that.
	You know, I feel like when you go into that kind of job, there needs to be immediate media training, immediate understanding of the environment, and to really just kind of like prepare people for that.
	Because, but, but, you know, like, I think that will eventually get there.
	It just wasn't there at that time.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	So, Kathleen Kennedy, first experience isn't that good.
	John, John is, you know, I played poker with John one night, Jon Favreau, Vince Vaughan, and the guy from Christmas Story, red-headed guy who becomes a producer.
	Pete or something.
	I don't know what his name is.
	Oh, my God.
	John was funny.
	He's so wonderful.
	He's so amazingly.
	He is my favorite person in Hollywood to have ever worked with.
	Why is he?
	Wow.
	Why is that?
	He cares and he's able to reach everybody in the room.
	He'll come before a scene and he'll just let everybody know exactly.
	He'll somehow make everybody in that room feel like they have a diamond that they're holding.
	Good for him.
	And he is just this beautiful, big-hearted man who it just has broken my heart to have had gone through this and know that that has probably negative negatively affected him because he is just my favorite.
	Like he knew how to get into my mind.
	He knew how to direct me.
	He knew.
	Sick.
	And by the way, his birthday is October 19th.
	I'm October 18th.
	I remember there was one hand where Vince goes all in.
	Okay.
	It's like $2,500.
	Oh, wow.
	And at this point, we've been playing for five hours.
	This is when Vince was doing the movie with Jennifer Anniston.
	Is it breakup?
	Oh, I love that.
	And so he's there with flip-flops.
	I mean, they're just like regular, three o'clock in the morning, and he goes all in.
	Next is John.
	And John's like, look, guys, I'm not into this.
	I'm going to let you two Middle Easterners go out.
	I'm like, Middle Easterners?
	I didn't even know Vince Wan was Middle Eastern.
	Apparently, he's Lebanese or something.
	Are you serious?
	Can you go to Vince Fuan?
	Is he Lebanese?
	Go to Instagram.
	He's from Chicago, right?
	Well, he's from Chicago, but Lebanese.
	I'm like, what Lebanese?
	I had to actually look at.
	Can you see if his background is like Lebanese?
	Is it Lebanese?
	There you go.
	Wow, what a mission.
	So he says, yeah, he's Lebanese.
	I said, I'm going to let the Middle Easterns, you and Iran and Lebanese go at it.
	Anyways, we.
	Are you guys going off of Wikipedia here?
	Yeah.
	Oh, dang, dangerous.
	Dangerous.
	Don't look at mine.
	I don't want to know.
	Okay.
	Well, you're Lebanese too.
	Just letting you know.
	You're just Lebanese today.
	You're a Syrian Lebanese.
	Anyways, but the point is, John was a freaking breath of fresh air to be around, right?
	Just a chill guy.
	And by the way, it's important for people to realize, Adam pointed this out a couple days ago.
	There's two Jon Favreau's on Twitter.
	Yeah.
	There's a Jon Favreau that's an Obama speechwriter.
	This is not the same Jon Favreau.
	John Favreau.
	Because that Jon Favreau is super woke.
	Loud.
	It almost confuses you a little bit.
	Please find the right Jon Favreau.
	And also, John's, I don't think he's really on Twitter.
	I think he watches from the background sometimes, but I think, you know, he's he's, I think his whole thing is like, you know, he loves to just fly right below the radar, you know, so that he can do what he can do.
	And, but I, you know, I believe the man is an emotional genius.
	I believe he's a genius in storytelling.
	I mean, I think there's something very special.
	That's cool.
	That's good to hear from because that's the impression I get from him anyways.
	Were there a lot of people in Hollywood who reached out to you who agreed with you, but couldn't be vocal?
	And they said, look, you're right.
	We're with you.
	We agree with you.
	But we can't publicly agree because it's going to hurt our career.
	Did you get a lot of calls like that?
	Not initially.
	I got no calls initially.
	But I got a lot of support and have gotten more support.
	I go do these fan expos and people will have me come up to their booths and they're like, we're so with you, sister.
	We're so with you.
	And I'm like, I know, I know.
	And they think, you know, I think there's a lot more people in the middle.
	And a lot of these actors are just, you know, I know a lot of my co-stars, they hate what happened to me.
	You know, Bill Burr was just incredible and awesome.
	And he was like, if I, you know, he's like, she's a sweetheart.
	And if I say anything, you know, I'm going to get canceled.
	And so at the time, three years ago, it was a different environment.
	And it was hard for people to speak up.
	But every single one of my co-stars, including Pedro and Carl, Did not believe what happened to me was correct.
	Which, which tweet was it, or what did you say that got you fired?
	I think the final straw was the Holocaust tweet.
	And when I had posted it on my, you remember Twitter used to have like, or X used to have the fleet section, which is like the Instagram version of the stories.
	Well, I'd put it up there and I put it in my, you know, and I was just kind of like, and I actually like the fleet.
	I don't know what they got rid of it.
	And like the fleet, too.
	Bring back the fleet, Yvonne.
	We like the fleet.
	The fleet was great.
	So this is, yeah, this is the.
	Zoom in a little bit, Rob.
	Yeah.
	The infamous tweet.
	The infamous tweet.
	Jews were beaten in the streets, not by Nazi soldiers, but by their neighbors, even by children, because history is edited.
	Rob, I don't want an ad, Rob.
	Gina, because history is edited.
	They're watching us.
	Most people today don't realize that to get to the point where Nazi soldiers could easily round up thousands of Jews, the government first made their own neighbors hate them simply for being Jews.
	How is this any different from hating someone for their political views?
	So if you just read that first part, yeah, that would be a messed up, you know, thing, right?
	But when you read the whole thing and my interpretation, and what I would like to do is like I like to put thought pieces out.
	You know, I'd constantly put thought pieces out so that people would just get their mind working.
	And so my question was always like, and I think a lot of people thought this, like, you know, before 2020, I never understood how a population of people could demonize a group of people and allow them to get, you know, taken from right next door and shipped off to a concentration camp and ashes are falling from the sky.
	And there's, you know, I just couldn't understand how that could happen.
	And I've always been so fascinated with the World War II movies or some of my favorite.
	So in this tweet, I thought, you know, this is something where I feel like if we keep demonizing each other, if there's this like demonizing between neighbors, if you keep on doing that towards one another, we're going to end up in a bad place.
	And that was a simple, that's how my mind simply just read it like that.
	And then I didn't know, you know, I didn't know that like you get canceled if you bring up the Holocaust in any way, apparently.
	When was this tweet, by the way?
	I think it was in September.
	September 21.
	2021.
	Or no, 2020.
	Yeah.
	September 2020.
	Yeah.
	And then how much longer after this were you fired?
	I was fired February 2021.
	So that's five months later.
	And there was a lot of torture in that five months.
	What happened during that five months?
	Well, from the beep, bop, boop, which happened, I think in August, it was just inflamed, right?
	The whole experience and it was inflamed.
	I was going through this massive struggle session.
	And yeah, so I just finally, finally, they just stopped contacting me around, I think, after December.
	And I hadn't heard from them.
	And I was like, well, there's that.
	Does your agent contact you?
	I'm like, hey, listen, they're not even, I mean, there has to be some type of communication because you're even about to have like a spin-off of your own show.
	Yeah.
	Right?
	Yeah.
	So I got a phone call from Jon Favreau.
	I think it was October or November.
	And they had told me, he had said, I was like, okay, what kind of conversation is this going to be?
	And he was like, it's all positive, Gina.
	It's great.
	Everything's good.
	You're going to be great.
	And I want you to know that your life's about to change because I have written the pilot of Rangers of the New Republic, and it was okayed by Disney, and you're on your way.
	What a phone call.
	And it was like, after all of the awful things that had been happening, I was just, oh my gosh, like, this is insane.
	This is wonderful.
	And I'm seeing, you know, everybody's being very emotional.
	All my male co-stars, all of like the, you know, everybody's allowed to like say their opinions online.
	So I, you know, I stuck to continuing my opinions.
	But I don't think I ever said anything that was, you know, I think that was like the most intense that it got, which you could see something like that on, you know, the Holocaust Twitter account.
	You know, like that's like history, you know.
	So he called me and told me that.
	And I was like, you know, on Cloud9, like, okay, it's happening.
	That's cool.
	Wow.
	And then, so that's good news.
	That was wonderful to me.
	October, November.
	But then what happened?
	February?
	February was that tweet.
	Oh, you tweeted that September, though, right?
	Oh, no, no.
	Okay, I'm so sorry.
	I think September is the pronoun, the beep, bop, boop.
	Got it.
	That's February.
	February.
	Yeah, February 2021 was that tweet.
	So how much longer after that did you, was it instant?
	It was the day, I think.
	It was the day.
	Like within hours.
	And is this when they made the announcement where, you know, even I think Bob Iger came out, CGINOCOMESON, Bob Iger comes out and defends the firing, the Mandalorian.
	We stand for our values.
	I think Bob said this.
	Was that Bob Iger or Bob Shape?
	It could be Shapek.
	Let me see.
	It says Bob.
	Disney.
	Okay, this is Shapek because Iger's not back yet.
	Disney CEO defends Gina Carrano's firing from the Mandalorian.
	We stand for values that are universal.
	Bob Shapek defends the firing, emphasizing the company's commitment to universal values, such as respect, decency, integrity, and inclusion.
	Shape stated, I don't really see Disney as characterizing itself as left-leaning or right-leaning, highlighting their focus on creating content reflective of the most world's diversity, continued.
	Yet instead, standing for values.
	Rob, can you pull up what percentage of the Disney executives give their money to the left or the right?
	Because that's public information when they say left-leaning and right-leaning, Mr. Shapek, with all due respect.
	Yet instead, standing for values that are universal, value for respect, value for decency.
	Again, going back to the same thing, Carano's termination came after she likened modern-day Republican Holocaust victims in now deleted Instagram posts.
	She wrote what we just read a minute ago.
	Which was never posted.
	It was always in a story.
	And it was among a bunch of other, it was never deleted.
	It was a fleet that kind of expires 24 hours.
	Got it.
	Despite similarities in social media activity with co-star Pedro Pascal, who shared a post complaining Trump voters to Nazis, Carano was the one let go.
	So Shape versus Kathleen Kennedy.
	How much of this firing do you think was Shape?
	How much of this firing do you think was Kathleen Kennedy?
	By the way, is this it, Rob?
	In 2020, 2020.
	Right there.
	So that's the percentage of money they gave to the left versus the right.
	So if we take that, I think it's fair to say, Tom, 80% of the, okay, 7.64 million.
	What's the other one, Rob?
	It's not left-leaning.
	So let's fall on the ground to the left.
	Give me the number.
	7.6 million plus what?
	Plus 1.4?
	Yes, 1.42.
	So 7.4 million divided by 9, 82% of their money goes to the left.
	So you are left-leaning Shape based on how you give your money.
	It's like somebody that says, I don't discriminate between Starbucks and coffee bean, yet four out of the five coffee you buy, you buy at Starbucks.
	You prefer Starbucks coffee.
	There's nothing wrong with that.
	Just be public about it.
	So who had more power in you getting fired?
	You think it's Shape, or do you think Shape got so many calls from Kathleen Kennedy that she's the reason why you got fired?
	You know, I think that is something that we're going to find out through discovery.
	Because you're going through that right now.
	Yeah, well, I mean, we're, yeah, we have to get to the point where we get there right now.
	But yeah, we're going to find out.
	My question, I really can't wait to understand this one thing.
	And you could probably pull up what they said about me, the comment that they said I was denigrating people off of cultural and religious beliefs and that it was abhorrent.
	I want to know so badly who okayed that.
	That had to have been someone at the top that had to have been okayed because that was so damaging.
	And that quote right there was basically telling the rest of the industry, do not touch this person.
	She's off limits.
	Wow.
	Meanwhile, you have in Disney's plethora of actors, you had, you know, people be convicted of something, you know, bad.
	And then they go on an apology tour that Disney on one of Disney's channels.
	You know, you've had, you know.
	Go back to that, Rob.
	Go back to that, Rob, because I want to make sure the audience sees this.
	I don't know if we put it up or not.
	Lucasfran's statement from her firing stated her social media posts denigrating people based on their cultural and religious identities are abhorrent and unacceptable.
	Corona is seeking damages to be and this is February 6th, three weeks ago we're talking about.
	No, they put that right out on, I think, February 10th was the date 2021.
	Yeah.
	When you got fired.
	2021, yeah.
	So now you're suing Mandalorian because of the statement.
	But if you look through, if you look at that statement, and then you go through everything that I've ever posted and you go back through, you know, I've had a Twitter account since 2009.
	I urge you to go through it.
	I'm sure they're combing through it right now.
	Comb through everything and see if that statement fits me.
	And it doesn't.
	A thousand percent it doesn't.
	So again, going back to Disney, Shape, we stand by our values.
	The main one of the four is really the inclusion one because the other three you're doing it.
	It's not like you're not doing it, but the inclusion, okay, you're being to their definition of what they got as a left-leaning organization, Disney, based on 80% of their money going to Democrats, which, again, that's their position that they have.
	While that's happening, and they fired you afterwards, how many job offers you got?
	What calls you got?
	What calls stopped coming in?
	How did it directly impact you financially, lifestyle-wise?
	How dramatic was that?
	I was, you know, I was getting, you know, screeners.
	I was getting invited to auditions.
	I was meeting some of the better directors.
	I was going to the red carpets.
	I was, you know, people were sending me stuff.
	I was just like there.
	You know, it was just happening for me.
	And it was so exciting.
	And on that moment on February 10th, it just dropped.
	And the only phone call that came in, well, one, the phone call that came in was from Dana White, which I've known him for a long time.
	And he texted me and he said, hey, Ben Shapiro is trying to get a hold of you.
	And I was in bed just bawling.
	You know, I was just devastated.
	And yeah, Ben Shapiro is the call that came in.
	Ben Shapiro is the call that came.
	The only one.
	Yeah.
	By the way, do you want to know something crazy?
	Do you want to know something?
	You played poker with Ben Shapiro.
	No, not at all.
	Not at all.
	But he doesn't put 25 changes.
	Rob, can you do me a favor?
	But he is Lebanese.
	Can you do me a favor and pull this up?
	Let me tell you what the craziest shit I just found.
	Can you do me a favor and pull this?
	Tom, you're going to flip out with this, specifically the way you and I look at business and finances.
	Pull up what I just sent you right now on the link.
	This is pretty wild.
	So the firing happens in February of 2021.
	Okay.
	Do you want to know the craziest data that's going to freaking blow you away?
	It's so awesome.
	Let me tell you how awesome this is.
	Pull this up.
	Check this out.
	Do you know when Disney's valuation was the highest ever in the history of its company?
	Go lower.
	Go lower.
	Go to the highest point right there.
	Look at that.
	Go back a little bit.
	Go back a little bit.
	February 2021 is when Disney was worth the most ever $341 billion compared to where they are today.
	Go to today's Disney's market cap.
	This is a little bit older.
	Go to Disney's market.
	Okay, right.
	They're $201 billion.
	They lost $140 billion from the day they fired you.
	Wow.
	I know that's not funny.
	Well, it kind of is.
	Is that not the crazy?
	You know what the market said?
	The market said financially after their five, how many busts did they have, Rob, just in 2023?
	Flops, five of them?
	Well, yes, five that totaled around $100 million in losses.
	$100.
	I'm sorry.
	Like $1 billion in losses.
	It was $900 million for flops, but the five is around $1 billion.
	The most Disney was ever worth was right before they fired you.
	So maybe it wasn't a good decision by Shape.
	And when they did fire you, IGRU had to come back, okay, because now they're trying to kind of figure out a way to make it work.
	Tom, do you mind kind of just real quick, share a little bit on what's going on with Disney right now financially?
	I think it's very important.
	Now that we just share this, what's the conditions of Disney right now financially with the reports that just came out?
	Well, over a five-year period, the stock is basically at zero.
	So if you bought Disney five years ago, you went on a little bit of a run and you're actually down 5%.
	So you've lost 5% over five years.
	So that's not too good.
	That's not 10 years.
	That's like a near-term horizon.
	And this week, just the other day, they put it.
	But by the way, you're saying five years, FYI, four years from February 2020.
	If we go from February 2021 to today, three years, you know what the case is?
	What's $140 billion on $340 billion?
	Let's kind of do that, okay?
	Oh, yeah.
	And if you jumped on the ride in the middle of it, it's been a bad experience.
	Well, let me do this.
	By the way, in the last three years, Disney has lost 41%.
	So if you put $1 million in your million dollars today, what would it be?
	$590,000 today, three years later.
	That's minus 41.
	Go ahead, Tom.
	Yeah, to put it in trend.
	So a five-year investor is disappointed.
	A three-year investor has an axe in Earth the front door.
	Yeah.
	That's the way it would go.
	So Disney's board of directors just puts out a letter.
	And every company once a year puts out a letter talking about people, hey, we're going to re-elect our board members, standard stuff.
	The first line of the letter: the board has been laser focused on strategy that will drive shareholder value.
	In other words, stock price.
	That's the first thing.
	Not nice to see you again.
	Wow, what a year it's been.
	Sometimes the opening of these letters is a little bit fluffy because there's a little bit of marketing in there.
	And it says, so we're going to restore our dividend that we declared in July.
	We're raising the dividend by 50%.
	So if you own a share of stock, you get a couple bucks from Disney as a dividend to be a shareholder.
	They're increasing it by 50%.
	That's called a bribe.
	Disney says, and we're also buying back $3 billion of shares off the market.
	Why that?
	Because fewer shares on the market, supply-demand, it means the price should go up a little bit, but it's artificial.
	It's not being driven by a hit movie or great success.
	So we're going to do that.
	And the next thing is, and we promise you, promise you, we're reigning in cost so that we can cut $7.5 billion of costs by the end of 2024.
	Is there anything in there about theme parks or movies or entertainment?
	Nope.
	That was all of the first two paragraphs.
	You get to the back.
	There's nothing about we're confident in our entertainment business.
	Future.
	So they're not selling the vision of the future.
	No, they're not selling.
	It's not bright at all.
	And then the last paragraph goes to war.
	Now, remember, there's a couple big investors, the Treon Group with Nelson Pills and the Blackwells, who are both saying, hey, we really think leadership is the issue because you're an entertainment company and we don't think you're very entertaining.
	That's an accurate statement.
	So, we'd like to nominate some of our people to be on the board to be the overseers to guide the ship.
	And so, they said, please know the Disney Board of Directors does not endorse the Trean Group, specifically Nelson Pills and Jay Rasulo, or the Blackwell nominees, and believes they are unqualified to serve on our board and preserve valuable information.
	Double dump.
	Double dumb.
	That's what they do.
	So, they do that.
	And then they provide this little chart.
	There's a chart on the back.
	If you're listening on Spotify, you can see this.
	This is a chart.
	There are nine squares on the chart.
	Do you have this or no?
	Okay, keep going, Tom.
	There are nine squares on the chart, and all of them are financial related to move the stock price.
	You know, cash dividend, 50%, 3 billion stock buyback.
	The things they said in the letter.
	You get down to the bottom, and there's one box in the corner of the bottom.
	We expect to reach profitability in our streaming business, Q424.
	And also, by the way, we're going to do a $60 billion 10-year investment in our theme parks and cruise ships.
	And we're going to put more decision-making authority with creative teams.
	That's all they say.
	But there's nothing in here that we're excited to see the movies in the front.
	And they brag about Academy Award nominations, but there's nothing in it about box office, nothing in it.
	At the same moment, this is called funny.
	The same moment on February 26th.
	So what do you get as a shareholder there, Pat?
	You sit there and read this and you go, Well, what are you doing about the movies?
	You've had all these movie flops and losses.
	You're not talking about that in your shareholder letter.
	What the hell?
	Well, at the same moment, literally the same day within an hour, they announce Sean Bailey, who has overseen live-action movies of Disney, is stepping down.
	He will leave the company.
	We are ready.
	We are, this is Wall Street Journal.
	You've got Sean Bailey stepping down, Wall Street Journal.
	It was literally two hours after the shareholder.
	There it is.
	Disney head of live action movie to step.
	This is not a lightweight guy that's stepping down.
	No, basically, what they're doing is what they couldn't say in the shareholder letter is that they have a strategy and they've got traction and things are going movies.
	They can't say it.
	So instead, what do they do?
	They chop off somebody's head and they throw the bloody body into the street.
	Sorry to be graphic, Gina.
	No, it happened to me too, so don't worry.
	Yeah, she's a fighter, Tom.
	She could take it.
	I got thrown into the street.
	Yeah.
	Exterior day, bloody executive roles and streets.
	Yeah.
	Fade in.
	Fade in.
	It's a simple, it's a financial scene.
	So he said Bailey would be succeeded by David Greenbaum, and then they talk about he was at Searchlight Pictures, and we're also going to combine two positions and the new newly created role of combined studio group leader.
	So that's an hour later.
	And then the Wall Street Journal, who has had enough of this crap, comes out and writes an article on Jay Rosullo.
	You know, one of the guys, that one right there?
	Yep.
	Meet the former students.
	Let me show this to the audience.
	So it's in there.
	Remember, this is one of the guys that they say are unqualified to sort of Disney's board.
	Jay Rosullo worked at Disney.
	He worked with Michael Eisner.
	He was part of Eisner's strategic planning team.
	He was a former CFO.
	He was a former CFSO.
	Which means he knows all the numbers.
	That's exactly right.
	And he was brought by Eisner from Burbank to lead Parks.
	He launched parks over in France, learned to speak French in two years so he could speak fluently with the team, crushed the returns over 2,000% returns on Disney Europe.
	Wait, what is that?
	Jay Rosullo recalls meeting with a high-ranking Communist Party official on the trip to not to give up.
	Jay, keep knocking at the gate.
	Someday it will open.
	He also spent time going around the world for Disney to open doors.
	And he apparently had a dinner with a Communist Party official said, Hey, about being CEO of Disney, keep knocking at the gate.
	Someday it will open.
	Now, Eisner retires and Iger comes in and Iger says, look, I like you as CFO.
	I don't like you as COO.
	And that's it.
	We're done here.
	He said, be my CFO.
	And Rasulo came back a couple months later, a month later, actually, and said, I'm sorry, I'm not going to do this anymore.
	So he leaves and Rasulo, you know, they throw a quote out when, by the way, when Trean Group recruits him to be on the board, they throw out this.
	Disney spokesman, and later it was Iger was, I didn't say that, that is a position of the company.
	So a little bit of a wimp there.
	In our view, Jay Rasulo's analog perspective is not relevant to the challenges of today's digital world.
	So they're trying to make him seem like old school, uninformed.
	No, no, no.
	It's not like he was making movies in the 60s.
	This guy is a CFO who knows where the bodies are buried and he knows how the math adds up.
	And so look at this guy.
	Why is that scary?
	Mother dude, he's killed nine trees, just letting you know.
	But go ahead, Tom.
	Why should Disney be worried today, Tom?
	Because if Trean Group and their proxy get on there, why would Disney inside Disney?
	So it's not just Nelson Peltz.
	It's two guys.
	Both of them are billion.
	One guy's worth $4 billion.
	The other guy's worth $1.5 billion.
	They got a lot of influence.
	They're sitting there saying, what the hell are you doing with this company now?
	We're losing money.
	It's not doing the kind of numbers it was doing.
	You're forgetting who your customers are.
	Parents that are wanting to take their kids to movies to watch a movie.
	Kids are not your customers.
	It's parents.
	Why are you pissing off parents who don't want to take the kids to movies?
	For us, Tom, when we go to movies, you know what's the first thing Tico does?
	I'll say, Tico, go look up, what's the app, a Fandango.
	Go see what movies are out.
	Tico will say, dad, it's probably going to be movies that we don't want to take the kids to.
	Tico's 12 years old when he says something like this, okay?
	Hugo, I'm being serious.
	You've been around Tico to know who he is.
	I know.
	Yeah, so he'll say, no, no, we can't do this.
	And he'll go look at the score.
	No, there's another LG.
	There's a trans character here.
	There's this character here.
	Even kids are starting to write.
	I just want a regular flipping movie.
	Stop trying to brainwash me.
	This isn't working.
	So at what point, at what point will Disney realize this shit's not working?
	They got to change.
	I think they know it right now.
	And I think they're scared to death that Blackwell or Treon is going to get somebody on the board.
	That's why they're trying to bribe shareholders.
	Everything's okay.
	We're buying back $3 billion of shares.
	We're going to give you a bigger dividend.
	It's okay.
	It's okay.
	Stick with us.
	Stick with us.
	As soon as those guys are in there, basically everybody behind the curtain knows it's not working.
	It's just people are not strong enough to stand up to Kathleen Kennedy and the creatives that want to take a certain creative path.
	The minute these guys are on the board, all kinds of hell is going to break loose.
	And a lot of people are going to lose, are going to lose out, and there's going to be massive.
	Question for both of you guys.
	And Iger goes from the ride of a lifetime to writing a turd.
	You know, it's basically what he's got in terms of audience right now.
	I got you, Tom.
	So I got a question for you.
	So, and this is for you as well, since you're on the inside, you work with them.
	Who do you think has more influence in Disney?
	There's this book that John Maxwell wrote.
	I think it's 21 Irrefutable Laws of Leadership.
	One of the things he talks about is the law of E.F. Hutton, that back in the days, E.F. Hutton was the guy.
	He'd be in the room.
	And a main guy is the main decision maker.
	But the main guy would always say, hey, E.F. Hutton, what do you think about it?
	Okay, good.
	Boons, okay, got it.
	So, hey, so what do you think about it?
	So eventually people realize that's the influence.
	He's going to E.F. Hutton to see what E.F. has to say.
	But like for Buffett was Charlie Munger, right?
	For everybody, there's somebody they go and say, what do you think?
	And that person is a very influential person.
	Who has got more influence at Disney?
	Do you think it's Kathleen Kennedy or do you think it's Iger?
	Well, what I think in my perspective, what happened is I think that these companies are so afraid of making maybe previous mistakes.
	And so they try to hire younger, maybe people with less life experience, and they want to stay current and up to date and ahead of the times.
	And so then they start, you know, they've got the assistants and they flood their companies with people who maybe have never even left the United States and never been somewhere and actually realize how wonderful we really do have it here.
	And I think that it's a game of telephone, really, that just starts crawling up the ladder.
	But then I also think, you know, this is Star Wars.
	These problems have been happening for a long time.
	You can't take that responsibility away from the leadership.
	And you can't take that, you know, on the Disney side and the Lucasfilm side.
	So I don't know how it all works.
	You know, is Kathleen Kennedy?
	She's obviously needs to be held responsible with Lucasfilm because she's been the leader.
	And then, you know, on the other side, I think they're both responsible.
	But who do you think has more?
	I'm looking at, if you pull up Kathleen Kennedy, the work she's done.
	By the way, I thought you were saying Kathleen Kennedy is young.
	I think you were talking about the assistant because yeah, like the people that they hired, I think that they were like, and I think they're just listening and they're trying to be forward, but they didn't realize they were, or maybe they did realize that, you know, or either way, it's either that way or it's the opposite way.
	Like they're hiring a bunch of people they can control.
	And which makes sense, by the way, just to give her credit on what she's worked on.
	Ready?
	This is Kathleen Kennedy thinks she's been the executive producer on Gremlins.
	Haltergeist.
	Back to the Future, the Goonies, Fandango, American Tale, okay?
	Back to the Future 2, Dad, Tummy Trouble.
	I don't know what the hell that is.
	Gremlins 2.
	An American Tale.
	Back to the Future 3.
	Yeah.
	An American Tale.
	Crazy.
	Cape Fear.
	And Back to the Sun.
	Schindler's List.
	She was the executive producer on.
	Schindler's List.
	Wow.
	So she, you know, Jurassic Park Lost Ward.
	Signs.
	Terrible movie.
	Must have been a sign.
	I watched it.
	When she was discovered, Pat, it was a 24-month period.
	I went back and I read about her bio.
	In a 24-month period, she went from E.T. to Indiana Jones to kick off her career as a frontline, top-line producer.
	She did Munich, Tom.
	She did the color program.
	That was later.
	But those 24 months when everybody in Hollywood said, who is this woman?
	It was E.T. and Indiana Jones in a 24-month period.
	Talk about box office, talk about merchandising, talk about good grief.
	Indiana Jones is a permanent ride.
	You know, there's all these things that happen.
	And the rest of her career, she proved that that was no fluke.
	So she's a professional in the industry.
	Does she have more influence than Bob Eygard?
	That's what I want to know.
	Well, I think she probably does now.
	And that was the point that South Park made in their parody.
	And all the voices in Hollywood, I mean, Trey Parker has been slightly conservative for a while.
	And he came out with that South Park evident, the Pander Dome, right?
	And all the whispers in Hollywood goes, yeah, that's the way it really is.
	And that's what I was noting, not the fact that there was a parody, but all those voices were like, yeah, you know, that's kind of the way it works there.
	What'd you think about when you saw the South Park joining the Panderverse?
	Oh, well, I did have a tweet about it.
	A long one.
	Yeah.
	You know, I was like, well, this is what's going to happen next.
	This is what I went through, basically.
	Yeah, I mean, it was kind of refreshing to know that people can see exactly what my experience was.
	And they're sitting there making fun of it, which I think, you know, humor is positive.
	It was nice.
	It was nice to, I felt a little vindicated.
	And Ginny, and just going off of what you said, from everything that you've gone through, from the BLM stuff coming to find out, you know, George Sorrell's back, it was a scam.
	They stole all this money.
	Ridiculous, right?
	The trends thing, we're seeing more and more that it's like more of a mental thing.
	These people are, you know, they have mental issues.
	A lot of them are doing mass shootings now.
	So now that's a whole different situation.
	And then the Disney, you're watching, you leave, they lose $100 billion because that whole thing.
	Does it kind of feel good inside?
	Like not necessarily vindication, but it must feel good inside your heart of hearts that you stuck to your guns and you were right this entire time.
	Does that feel?
	It feels, you know, I feel like I've been in the desert for the last couple years and that hasn't felt good.
	But the part that does feel good is the, I am honest and I am clear and my heart is good and I was coming from a good place and that was very obvious.
	And I think that, you know, so many people were watching what happened to me and they say, this is an innocent person here that you're destroying.
	You're going above and beyond to destroy this person.
	And I think that's why my case has had such an impact because it was so obvious.
	It was just so in your face.
	So for the last couple of years, it's been a desert and it's been hard, but it's okay to go through the desert because then I got an email after I just realized, okay, maybe my life is going to be living in the desert now.
	And I got an email from an attorney that said that they were representing X and that they'd like to look through my case.
	And I was like, what a great phone call from Jon Favreau to now a lawyer from X going, I think we have something.
	Well, they didn't know what I had.
	They said, I want to look at what you have.
	And there's just been such, you know, my life has been riddled with such incredible moments like that.
	I mean, incredible director, Steven Soderbergh, picked me up from fighting and gave me an awesome opportunity.
	You know, Jon Favreau, incredible human being, amazing mentor, and really started finding my stride in acting.
	Ben Shapiro helped me out and just, he just took the sting off of it, right?
	Like, I didn't take the cancellation away.
	We tried to really like puff up and say, you know, it's going to be fine.
	It's going to be fine.
	And it was a door open.
	But as far as me, I'm still very much in the desert.
	And then here comes Elon Musk.
	And I'm just like, who does this happen to?
	I'm just like, there's real men in the world that have opened doors for me that it's just made my life so.
	For him to do this and X to do this for me is it already has lifted this thousand pound beast off of my chest because, whether I wanted it or not, I was carrying around the shame of being fired.
	Nobody wants to be fired and so I was carrying around, whether I was trying to like put on the brave face, I was carrying around the shame and it was affecting my physically.
	It's been affecting me mentally.
	And then when I got that email, I responded like within three hours and I'm like I don't care if I seem eager right now.
	I said yes, I would love to speak with you.
	And then I got on the phone with them and they told them what happened, told my story.
	They said, could you, you know, send us some stuff?
	I just sent them Everything that I had.
	And they ended up speaking with X and Elon and explaining the story.
	And they really believe that we have an awesome thing.
	By the way, I mean, this is when you're telling the story.
	You know, when you're asking a question, do you feel vindicated?
	Yeah.
	You know what's the thing?
	You know, okay, so let's just say you get money.
	Fine.
	That's one thing.
	But you know what's annoying?
	It's like you have such momentum.
	You're peaking and you take, you want to work.
	Like, what is the purpose of money without me creating something, being part of something?
	It's so frustrating when you're at your peak and you're not able to create, build, you got stuff that's going on at your best.
	Like that is so annoying.
	When I'm working, and it always puts my dad in tears, it's the only time I see him in tears, is when I'm working, I am at my best because I'm consistent and I, you know, diet's consistent, work is consistent, my health, my mental health.
	And that's also why I was speaking out about the lockdowns too, because you get a bus driver who's been driving a bus for 30 years and might have an addiction problem, and you're going to shove him at home and stick him with like all this reality at home.
	And then he's going to start drinking again.
	And now we've got alcoholism.
	Now we've got deaths everywhere.
	So as an artist, I know what it's like to not work.
	And we need to work as humans, you know?
	And it's really hard to kind of create your own work, which is what I'm doing now, finally.
	But I mean, it was devastating.
	That's the part that's for us.
	I want to read this because the story comes out February 6th, this year.
	Gina Carano sues Disney over Mandalorian firing and lawsuit funded by Elon Musk.
	This is the Hollywood Reporter.
	She initiates you, a lawsuit against Disney and Lucasfilms, alleging discrimination and wrongful termination, stating my words were consistently twisted to demonize and dehumanize me as an alt-right wing extremist.
	Carano contends she was fired for her cultural and religious beliefs, accusing Disney of ignoring offensive posts made by male co-stars and seeks a court order that would force Lucasfilms to recast her role with at least a $75,000 in damages that's chump change to them.
	Elon Musk's ex-corp funds, Carano's lawsuit reflecting a broader debate on free speech and corporate influence as Carano's case underscores tensions over online expression with Musk's pledging to support users facing discrimination, saying, I'm honored that my case has been chosen to be supported by the company that has been one of the last glimmers of hope for free speech.
	And then a couple of days later, Forbes writes about this as well.
	Musk rages against Disney's DEI Gestapo and doubles down on the crusade.
	In a series of posts on X, he published that what he claimed is Disney's full set of DEI standards and guidelines on how to achieve them.
	Musk savage the guidelines, which he describes as laws as racist, sexist, and discriminatory.
	And a likely reason why most of the media giants' content from the past viewers has sucked.
	The billionaire has said the guidelines were laboriously vile and claimed merely navigating the DEI minefield will crush the creative process.
	It crushes the creative spirit of someone who just wants to make great art, which is what we just talked about.
	Musk said in response to a post from the libs of TikTok, a popular and influential account known for its inflammatory posts and incendiary rhetoric against liberals, which often targets LGBTQ people.
	Now, keep in mind, this is Forbes.
	So Forbes has to play through the DI score.
	Without providing any evidence, Musk says the company's diversity program was enforced by Disney's DI Gestapo, referencing Nazis, Germany, feared secret police, infamous for deploying brutal tactics and torture to support resistance.
	It must feel good that you got the most powerful media billionaire, wealthiest guy, modern-day Iron Man backing you up.
	Well, it was the only way it was going to happen.
	And, you know, I had to move out of Hermosa Beach.
	I had to move out of LA.
	I had paparazzi knowing where I lived.
	I had stalkers.
	I didn't live in a gated community.
	I was very much in danger where I was at.
	So I sold the house, bought an RV, traveled across 25 states and thought I was going to end up in Nashville with the Daily Wire.
	Didn't.
	Love them, but just wasn't my, this is not where I ended up.
	And then I went up to Montana when we shot Terror on the Prairie and I fell in love with it.
	I fell in love with the freedom.
	I felt like I could breathe.
	I could see the big sky.
	Big sky country.
	And I just felt like this is where I belong.
	This is where I feel safe.
	Yeah.
	So, yeah.
	That's great.
	So how far are you guys right now with the lawsuit?
	Well, I'm not very good at the lawyer stuff, but I believe they have a certain amount of time to respond.
	They being Disney.
	Yeah.
	They have a certain amount of time to respond to the case.
	And, you know, that could be a number of different ways, I guess.
	Oh, and something of that magnitude, too, because you nailed it.
	Like your career, you're on a rocket ship.
	They're going to have to take an account of everything that you have missed, especially with your trajectory.
	So, I mean, like Don Lamont just got 25 million from CNN for like a three-year contract.
	This is going to be something to where the farm that you have, you're going to buy llamas.
	You're going to have so many animals on this farm.
	Gina, it's going to be great.
	Well, I, you know, I haven't actually even thought, and this is to be very frank, I haven't thought about that because I feel like right now I'm playing an important part and that, you know, this, I do believe that's what happened happening to me right now is like a God-given gift.
	And I, so whatever happens, I feel that there's a purpose in this, whether it's to let people know that they're not alone, because so many people felt alone during those last four years.
	I love that you said that too, because you were in the desert.
	God put you in that desert and you're getting to the water, which I think is freaking, it's so, I'm so happy for you.
	And, you know, sometimes justice doesn't happen the way we want it to.
	We think, okay, justice, you know, and when I was in the desert, I was like, oh man, where's I see other people getting justice?
	Where, you know, am I going to get justice?
	And then finally, when I just kind of gave it over and I was like, okay, God, you know, it's yours.
	And then about like a week later, that's when the ex-email came in.
	And I was like, okay, well, then I'm not going to think about what's going to happen, how people are going to react.
	I think that I would love, you know, I would love, I want people to be happy.
	I want people to come together.
	I want them to see each other as human.
	Like we are actually when we are together, you know, on the internet, everybody's a tough guy.
	Yeah, of course.
	But when you get with people and you're sitting in a, you know, middle seat of an airplane, you know, you're, you could have all sorts of different views and all sorts of different cultures and you're, you know, not how you would be on the internet.
	So that's where I'd want us to get somehow.
	Yeah, as your case unfolds, what's very interesting, I've been trying to read little bits and you can't really find a full legal analyst breakdown, except there are comments that are out there, Pat, that point out that when press releases are made by companies for their quarterly reports and announcements, those usually come through a group called Investor Relations, and lawyers are looking at every word of the press release because you can get sued for putting out incorrect financial information or speculating that moves the stock market.
	The PR group is usually the ones that, and by the way, Investor Relation also handles Pat statements made by the CEO because the CEO's voice can move the stock.
	On the other hand, marketing and PR have usually been, if you read about it, the thorn in the side of investor relations because they put a press release out too quick or too impulsively, and it comes through marketing, corporate communications, and PR.
	And you have investor relation people and the lawyers that usually run screaming down the hall, what did you just put out?
	And in this case, Pat, when you look at those words that we're saying, they came through marketing and corporate PR when we read that, what Disney said there.
	And that is going to come home to Roost because Disney is probably fearing two things right now.
	One, they fear discovery because every text message, every email internally that talked about this is going to come out in public in this case, number one.
	Number two, to avoid that, Pat, Disney has to openly file with the judge and say, we'd like all corporate communications to be sealed.
	Well, the minute Disney does that, it only takes one or two conservative news outlets say, gee, why would you want all the stuff sealed that's coming out in court?
	Why would that be?
	If they settle.
	They don't want that.
	That's right.
	Of course they don't want that.
	If they settle, it's an admission of guilt with a check.
	That's right.
	If they don't settle, it's public embarrassment with all these emails and stuff that are coming out at a time when DEI is getting serious pushback.
	Yeah.
	It's no win for Disney right now.
	I really, really am happy that this happened because I want professionals to look at this.
	I want professionals in Lucasfilm and Disney, and I want them to comb through it.
	And I want them to comb through their own emails and the emails that I was sending.
	And I want them to take a good, hard look internally at what happened here.
	Like, I'm not afraid of that.
	I want that to happen so that things can get better for the people, the employees in the company and every division.
	And like, I'm happy that they're like, I'm happy those lawyers, I mean, can you imagine these lawyers are like, oh my gosh.
	Oh, wow.
	Beep, bop, boop.
	That's funny.
	This is what you took away a 20-year career for is this right here.
	And it's like, you can imagine these lawyers are like, oh, my gosh.
	Oh, if it goes to trial, do you know how funny that'd be if you just see that beep bop boop and then it's like that right there and you guys destroyed her?
	Pay up.
	That's so funny.
	It's like, I don't know.
	Yeah, if it gets there, like those three words.
	I'm really not that controversial.
	You know, I just, I was speaking out at a time that people were afraid to speak.
	Who fears Kathleen Kennedy?
	Who fears Kathleen Kennedy?
	I mean, producers that want to be greenlit.
	I think anybody who, I don't think it's just Kathleen Kennedy.
	I think it's the Disney and Lucasfilm name.
	So once you have Lucas Film or Disney, that name on your team on your resume, then your whole world opens up.
	So I think it was Scarlett Johansson that said once that, you know, I do these bigger films so that I can do my passionate, you know, independent projects, which actually Scarlett Johansson had a lawsuit and a settlement with Disney as well for mistreatment or breach of contract, which was different.
	Being deceived on release dates and streaming rights.
	It's like factual things that they did that she was dead right.
	And I think Emma Stone actually had something that she was upset about as well.
	And so this is, there's a history of this happening of mistreatment.
	So I think, you know, why wouldn't I, I don't know what these meetings go like in Disney, but why wouldn't somebody just sit down and at least look at my case and be like, look, look at the stock, look what happened, look at the date, look at the effect that it's had on people.
	Let's make the situation right.
	You know, they were so good at trying to tell me how to apologize, exactly the words to say.
	I didn't use the right words.
	I wasn't apologetic enough.
	How does this company, who obviously saw a smear campaign happening to me and did not step in, how do they not know?
	And how can they not show everyone, we're going to do what's right, at least in this case, we're going to do what's right.
	We're going to make it right.
	Has that conversation even been brought up of how they can do that?
	Like, I'm, I wish I could be a mouse in that room of like, how, have they even, have they thought of it?
	Same thing.
	Yeah.
	Same thing, Gina, like with Johnny Depp, right?
	It's just Amber Heard does her thing.
	Everybody, they let him go.
	It's everybody jumps.
	They love to eat their own and make an example without taking two things.
	Taking a second and finding out, hearing everybody's story, but just destroying people just like that, destroying their lives.
	Because as much as people want to say, he's vindicated and everything, but people, the other side, still looks at him and goes, you, you abusive beating.
	They still, even though he won, they still are going to see you like that.
	It's like you're going to have that for the rest of your life.
	You're going to have people go up to you and be like, you hate black people, you hate Jewish people, and they don't care about the truth side of it.
	They just see you and that's it.
	And that was one of the most painful parts is I'd always go in Hermosa Beach to the Smiths, I think it was there.
	And I'd always go to, I forget his name now, but this black man.
	And we'd always talk about ribs and we'd always kind of like compare because I always want to find out how to cook less ribs.
	And we had the best relationship.
	And then when I was canceled, it's the first time I was okay with wearing a mask.
	It was like, I felt like, how am I going to go in here?
	And he's going to see all these headlines.
	And I don't know how to tell him this isn't true.
	I don't know how to tell him.
	And it hurt me so bad.
	And he did.
	He came up to me.
	He's like, Gina, what are they saying here?
	And he was so confused.
	And I was like in tears in a grocery store, just like, I don't know how to tell you all of this is lies.
	And I'm so sorry, you know?
	And it killed me.
	And the thing is, these big companies in Disney knows you'll cancel someone, you'll put them in the desert, and they'll suffer and people will forget about it.
	And their company will go up and down.
	But that person's career, once you've done something and made that kind of statement about them, will suffer forever.
	And, you know, Johnny Depp is a powerful enough person that he's able to, you know, make a comeback.
	I was at the tip of my breaking point.
	And it is due to the people keeping my case relevant.
	It is due to God blessing me with opportunity to keep it relevant and incredible people and men that and women that are supporting me all around the world.
	When you think about Lucasfilm, that's very important I share now because at the end of the day, when you are going through times like this, it's one source you can always rely on, which is God.
	Everybody at this table is on the same page with you.
	Tom, with Lucas Films and Gina, who runs it now?
	Does George Lucas still have any influence or is it all Kathleen Kennedy?
	It's Kathleen Kennedy and also this gentleman that they've just named who's going to be ahead of you.
	Dave Filoni.
	Dave Filoni?
	In the reorg that left Mr. Bailey laying in the street, there's the Greenfield and Green Bomb, and those are the two guys that now control both sides of the movies, according to the RE-ORG.
	So according to the RE-ORG, those are the guys that are now in charge of it.
	And it's a combined position.
	You made a very interesting and good point.
	I'll go back to real quick.
	You say, to Pat's question, who's afraid?
	The answer is everyone in Hollywood is afraid because they want the Disney Lucas thing on their resume.
	And what you said is if you, Scarlett Johansson said, I want to do the bigs and stay big enough so that I can do my passion project.
	And if Ben Afflack didn't have a career as Ben Afflack, the world never gets Argo, which won Academy Awards.
	And it took him and was he, Matt Damon was also a producer on that?
	I'm not sure.
	But they've been buddies and they worked apparently for almost 10 years to get that thing greenlit.
	So, Pat, everybody wants the bigs and they want the big resume, just like executives want the big logos on LinkedIn so that they can later in life go do all the things that they're let me read to you what Natalie Portman said, which I like.
	Natalie Portman on the decline of film amid the age of social media and influencers.
	This is from the Hollywood Reporter.
	This is five days ago.
	Natalie Portman reflects on a change in Landscape of Hollywood, noting the decline in the prominence of film as a primary form of entertainment, particularly among younger generation.
	The striking thing has been the decline of film.
	If you ask someone my kid's age about movie stars, they don't know anyone compared to YouTube stars or whatever.
	Portman acknowledges the dual nature of this industry's shift.
	There is a liberation to it, powerful that she's saying is because she's part of the establishment.
	You can really explore what's interesting to you.
	It becomes much more about passion than about commerce.
	Portman recognizes the democratization of creativity facilitated by social media.
	There's also been democratization of creativity where gatekeepers, hence these names we're talking about, have been demoted.
	And everyone can make things.
	It's pretty wild that you also feel like at the same time, more people than ever might see your weird art film because of this extraordinary access.
	So have social media and content creators, the Mr. Beast of the world, are people sitting the next generation is going to be like, I don't give a shit about kind of movies you're making because they're shitty anyways.
	Why am I sitting here watching your stuff?
	I'm going a complete different direction.
	Are these guys long-term sitting there worried about what average day-to-day content creators are going to do to them?
	Just like what the podcasters of the world, a Joe Rogan getting 11 million views per podcast, where these guys on national TV, they're being saved simply by seniors who watch the news, sports, and big pharma.
	Do you see that happening with YouTube stars in Hollywood?
	I think it's already happening.
	And to coin a phrase, we've seen it in industry before.
	In the late 1970s, the U.S. automakers were dinosaurs and they didn't know it.
	And Japanese brought quality, efficiency, low-cost cars, and more importantly, fuel efficiency, right?
	And they didn't even know they were dinosaurs and they had to retool everything and they almost died.
	Chrysler did die and was brought back from the dead by the federal government.
	I think these guys, similarly, there is a meteor that is already passing by the moon, coming toward Earth where all the dinosaurs die.
	You know, if you believe the theory that the meteor hits Earth and all the dinosaurs died.
	I think it's happening.
	I think, like, if you see what I mean, the meteor is passing the moon.
	And these folks, I think, know it.
	They're losing control.
	They've lost distribution.
	They're desperately trying to keep theater chains in business.
	COVID came at exactly the wrong time because theater chains almost died.
	And so that's distribution.
	It's a streaming world.
	And once it becomes an all-streaming world and you don't have the theater experience, guess what?
	Anything can go there.
	And Netflix and everybody else will put you on the library.
	And if social media can get you popular and people start clicking on it and then tell their friends, guess what?
	The old gatekeeper, I make the movie.
	I will tell United Arts Cinemas what my launch window be.
	I'm the 4th of July window.
	Everybody else out of the way.
	That was the way those deals went, Pat.
	Well, That's what's happening.
	One of the first emails that I mean I remember being really irritating me was, oh, by the way, they're asking if you would unfollow these couple accounts.
	And they were YouTubers who had been very critical of the new Star Wars movies and some Disney PR people.
	The PR people, you know, were saying that these people didn't have nice things to say about Kathleen Kennedy and that they would like me to unfollow these accounts because I was very engaged in interacting with these people.
	I was new to Star Wars, so I was excited about like, you know, I wanted to learn as much as possible.
	So who else to learn from the fans that have been following it all of these years?
	Was this your PR or agent PR on the outside, or is this corporate PR on the inside?
	That was corporate.
	That makes sense.
	So it's not really, it's not really the PR for me.
	It's really Kathleen Kennedy.
	They're telling me.
	They're telling me, unfollow these accounts.
	And so, of course, you don't want to rock the boat.
	I don't like to, you know.
	So I was like, oh, okay, okay.
	And then I didn't.
	And I kept on following these people.
	And it just made me look when you tell somebody not to do something, you're like, wait, what?
	And so you keep on looking, you keep on looking, and you just think, I should be able to follow who I want to follow on my own social media account.
	And these heads of companies, the biggest companies in the world, should understand that, you know, it's almost like they went in and they just threw away to some of these fans.
	They just bombed their, you know, dreams and their, you know, their Star Wars.
	And so they're upset about it.
	And then to go and tell the actors and the producers and the directors and people, hey, these people are racist.
	These people are this.
	And smear these YouTubers who they're human beings.
	They're not going to be perfect, but they're genuine critics.
	Whereas Rotten Tomatoes is getting paid off by studios, and that's been proven.
	So we're actually excited about the YouTubers, you know, genuine thoughts and feelings on stuff.
	And I love watching them grow into more professional, well-spoken, seeing all sides of the, you know, the coin here.
	But that didn't sit well with me.
	So I didn't unfollow these accounts.
	And I think that, you know, that was probably, well, why didn't she unfollow them?
	Well, because I've been criticized.
	They criticized me, I think, at some point.
	And instead of shunning them, I engaged with them.
	I joked with them.
	I feel like these are not cruel people.
	They just have felt betrayed by the things that they absolutely give their entire, like you walk into a Star Wars fan's house and they have rooms, rooms of just memorability.
	We spent thousands of dollars to support this thing.
	And then that happens.
	And Gina, just from you saying that, how crazy is that Disney has people literally monitoring, not what you're posting, who you're following.
	That's a job of somebody to go and pretty weird, don't you?
	It's not the other, right?
	Yeah, it is.
	It's aggressive.
	And I think, you know, these people aren't difficult.
	You know, have them to set.
	Have them come to us.
	Have them see the inside.
	You know, educate people.
	You know, I think that education is wonderful and interaction is a beautiful thing.
	So that's the direction I took.
	And just by simply engaging with these people, they were like, oh, you know, cool.
	We might not believe in everything that she believes in, but she's cool.
	She's solid.
	All right.
	Let's move on.
	So I just, I think YouTubers, I think, you know, it's completely shifted.
	I think it's getting exposed.
	Like the Rotten Tomatoes, did you hear about that story?
	The studios are paying them for the reviews that they want.
	For like five.
	Yeah, weird.
	And then we will go watch the movie and we're like, wait, wait a minute.
	They lied to us.
	You see the audience score now.
	Yeah, exactly.
	It's like, what?
	It doesn't make any sense.
	I never trust their score.
	Or now we're forcing people to audience scores.
	What is this?
	So there has been happening for years.
	A PR firm named Bunker15 is said to have paid as much as $50 for a single Rotten Tomato review.
	The payments, which aren't typically disclosed, are usually given to obscure critics who happen to be part of a pool tracked by Ryan.
	Can you click on that and go a little bit deeper into the story?
	I've never trusted their reviews ever.
	Okay, I can't even read that.
	That's so tiny.
	I can't read that.
	So don't worry about it.
	See if there's another story like there says a little bit more about it.
	There's Vulture.
	It still has a gap.
	So anyways.
	And there's another thing that's happening.
	Sorry not to interrupt you.
	There's another thing that's happening is I believe that, you know, these, and I actually, from experience, because I thought, okay, this is going to be a massive blowout with this announcement.
	And so we were interviewing publicists, right?
	There's a thing called Crisis Publicist that was the funniest.
	It was the funniest meeting because I was like, I'm ready for this shitstorm, right?
	I'm just ready for it.
	And this really brilliant, smart woman got on the phone and she's like, yes, you definitely need this.
	When this breaks, it's going to be like this.
	And what we can do is we can manipulate Google and we can manipulate all of this stuff.
	And I was like, oh, I was like, oh, so you guys are doing that.
	Wait, this is kind of feeling weird, you know?
	And she's like, oh, yeah.
	And we do all of the sorts of really cool tricks that we have.
	And then I was like, oh, okay.
	Well, because I've had a bad history with publicists now.
	And I was like, what is your environment of your business?
	Is it like politically, are they okay with freedom of speech and thought?
	And she said, well, I won't lie to you.
	We're mostly 80% Democrat out of New York.
	And I was like, oh, okay.
	Okay.
	And then she said the funniest thing.
	And I, should you not, I laughed for crying, laughing for a minute straight on the phone with her.
	And I was like, okay, so who are your clients?
	And she said, we got anybody from George Soros to this other, whoever, no, I didn't know the other name.
	And I cried laughing.
	And I was like, just like, I can't.
	I don't know what to do.
	It's like Anthony Wiener.
	And you're like, really?
	George Soros.
	By the way.
	That's the name.
	That's who you pick?
	Yeah.
	I can't.
	I had a call.
	If you remember, we had a call with this one girl.
	And she's saying, I said, so listen, I've hired different PR firms before, but this is what we stand for.
	We love capitalism.
	We're this, we're this, we're that.
	I said, what are your, so, well, I have to tell you, we're probably not a fit for you.
	I said, that's great to know up front because I don't want to pay you 20 grand a month.
	And you realize afterwards, we represent Leo.
	We represent this.
	We represent George Cooling.
	At least she was open about it.
	The fact that that's who we are.
	I like her.
	Yeah, I love that.
	I really like her a lot.
	I really liked her a lot.
	It was just the fact that, yeah, I know that the George Soros name was just like, nope.
	Like, because basically, in my opinion, and it's just an opinion, you know, if you've got a client like George Soros, he basically owns you.
	There's no question about it.
	So, I mean, if, you know, maybe there's a different company or a different person that they would have said, I was like, you literally said the name that, you know, you're not running your own company.
	You're responding to anything that he wants because if he becomes upset, then, you know.
	Yeah, you're right.
	And then she was like, by the way, can you send me the complaint?
	And I was like, man, no.
	No.
	No, absolutely not.
	No one needs to do that.
	But you know what?
	I have to say, and I, you know, when she watches this, you know, you're a hustler.
	I appreciate your hustle.
	And I appreciate, you know, you are a strong, intelligent woman.
	Transitioning into a couple other stories, by the way, Ryan Reynolds, the names you've worked with, how was it working with Ryan Reynolds?
	How's it working with some of these other guys?
	Oh, Ryan Reynolds is just brilliant.
	He's a comedic genius.
	He can rattle off jokes that will have the entire, you know, all of the crew just like busting up in tears.
	And like you see like the camera shaking and they have to like redo it because he is just so brilliant.
	And who's even more brilliant than him?
	Sorry, Ryan, but is his wife.
	She's amazing.
	I love her.
	She sat down next to me at our cast dinner.
	She was so kind and she just had a baby and the baby was up in the room and she, it was really funny because, you know, she had dinner and then she went back up and Ryan said, this is what my wife sends me.
	And so he was flipping through and it was like, baby picture, baby picture, baby picture.
	And then it was like cowballs.
	I love that.
	So she's just brilliant.
	She's an absolute fashion icon.
	I absolutely adore her.
	She texted me while I was in Vancouver shooting and she said, if you want me to show you around just a complete kind.
	How long ago was that?
	When was Deadpool?
	That was a while ago.
	That was a while ago.
	I mean, and I haven't heard from them since, but beautiful, beautiful memories.
	I love his work.
	And I have to, you know, what do you call it?
	Romance movies?
	What's the name for it?
	There's a name for me.
	Rom-com.
	Rom-com or whatever.
	I just hate saying that.
	Rom-com.
	Rom-com is comedy, right?
	Is that romance comedy?
	No, no, I'm talking about like a notebook.
	What do you call that?
	That's called the what?
	Oh, that's drama.
	Is that drama?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I have watched her, Blake Lively, in Age of Adeline, starting the 41-minute mark where they pick up the sister and he makes a comment saying, don't worry, my sister doesn't use a cell phone.
	She just graduated from UC Berkeley, where they make that joke.
	And you ever seen this movie, Age of Adeline?
	I'm going to be dead.
	No, and I'm sure it's the 41-minute mark.
	Your body's going to have the chills.
	What a freaking sick movie.
	And she crushes it in this movie.
	So you don't know what the movie's about.
	Have you seen the movie?
	I have seen it, but it was one of those, I wasn't paying too much attention to it.
	Oh, my God.
	But, you know, I followed her career and I look up to her as an actress.
	And she is one of our classic beauties.
	She's a beast.
	Was she in the town?
	Was she Ben Affleck's girlfriend?
	Yes, and she was phenomenal.
	Wow.
	I just realized that.
	She's a monster, by the way.
	She's probably one of the top, you know, one of the best right now at it.
	I don't know how much she's, how much work she's doing right now.
	And her husband, Ryan Reynolds, is.
	I think it's hard.
	What I think is hard when you marry an actor, a famous male actor, I think it's hard for the female actors.
	You know, I think it's hard for them to, I mean, I dated a famous actor once and, you know, people treat you like, oh, yeah, you're just the.
	Yeah, yeah, exactly.
	You're just the flavor of the month.
	And I'm like, oh, gosh, I didn't know I was going to get that energy.
	How was he, by the way?
	You're talking about Henry Cavill, right?
	Was he pretty?
	Oh, he's beautiful.
	Yeah, he's wonderful.
	Personality.
	He gives me the vibes that just a very cool cat.
	He's a professional.
	He's just passionate, I'd say.
	So what was happening with him, and I don't know the details because, you know, it's been a while since I've spoken to him, but very nice terms.
	You know, I think he's just so passionate.
	Like, you know, on Batman versus Superman, you've got, well, Zach Snyder, who is amazing.
	I met him in person.
	He's a Super Batman fan, right?
	Well, you've got Ben Afflecks, got the writer.
	And so Henry's over here.
	Like, well, we got to get some, you know, we want to make sure that we don't forget about Superman.
	And so, you know, he was such a wonderful Superman.
	And he loved that more than anything.
	Did you guys date when he was Superman?
	I didn't know he was Superman.
	Hadn't come out yet.
	Okay.
	So actually, it was really funny.
	I didn't know who I thought he was an acting coach when we started dating.
	Get out of here.
	Well, because, yeah, it was, it's, it was like, I, and then I was like, oh, you're an actor.
	And then I, you know, he wasn't Superman at that time.
	Yeah, I wasn't big yet.
	I mean, Henry's been Henry for a minute, no?
	Yeah, I, I, yeah, but he.
	What did you guys mean?
	Well, I walked into a sushi restaurant and Dwayne Johnson's stunt or security, who is a lovely person, Ben Blankenship.
	And I had just been on the phone with my agent, and I was like, I need an acting coach.
	You know, this is my second movie, and I need help, you know.
	And so I walked in and I'm really always friends with the stunts.
	So I was with the stunt team and Henry was in there with Dwayne Johnson's, Ben Blankenship.
	And just by chance, Ben Blankenship was like, I was like, oh, hi, nice to meet you.
	And, you know, you meet a lot of people.
	And he was like, well, he's an acting coach with out of the blue.
	As a joke, though.
	As a joke, but you believed it.
	Because I didn't know who he was.
	Get out of here.
	What year is this?
	Whenever Fast and the Furious.
	Can you give me a rough estimate of what that year would be?
	There's been so much.
	There's been so many years.
	What year is this?
	I want to know.
	So Fast and Furious 6, is it 2012, 2013 type of thing?
	Yeah, around whenever we were filming that.
	So Superman's not out yet, and he asks you out, was it like a, just a...
	Well, it was funny, because it was like, apparently he had a date the next night, and I was going out with Ben Blankenship, who I adored, and...
	Not as a date, just as friends.
	Friends, yeah.
	Like we're out in London, you know?
	And then Henry showed up, you know, and so apparently he ditched his other date.
	And then you guys went on date next day.
	Yeah.
	And from the moment, from that moment on for, you know, about, you know, we were dated for around three years.
	We broke up halfway through and they got back together.
	This is a real relationship.
	Yeah.
	And I was treated by people in the industry like I was this like floozy.
	And I'm like, back to what we were saying.
	I'm sorry, Henry.
	I didn't mean to go off on that.
	But it's funny, though, how typical fashion is Superman to hide his identity.
	Like, you don't even know who he is.
	But that speaks a lot to his character.
	I love to see like Jessica Beale, right?
	I would love to see Jessica Beale do more.
	I'd love to see more Blake Lively films, you know, and I think that sometimes when you're dating and or married to, you know, a powerful actor in Hollywood, you know.
	Did you and Henry ever get close, like serious, serious, like relationship marriage type of conversation or no?
	We were very serious.
	Okay.
	And it was very much genuine.
	It wasn't, it was just, I would say it was just a lot of youngness in me and him growing up.
	And I grew up in the fight industry.
	He grew up in Hollywood.
	And I think that you have to learn, you know, you have to learn about life and responsibility and treating people correctly.
	And staying on this, with Henry, Henry one time said that he was being asked about the Me Too movement.
	I don't know if you remember what he said.
	He says, this whole Me Too movement is preventing men from courtship.
	Like, what about me courting a girl?
	Is that now offensive?
	And the way he explained it, I don't know if you can find this or not.
	The way he explained it was so innocent where men could relate.
	They're like, yeah, bro, like, there's a risk to courtship.
	Henry could be scared to flirt with women because he'll be called a rapist or something.
	And that's what they write up.
	That's what the journals pick out.
	When really he was being honest, and it was something that all of these people can relate to.
	All these men can relate to.
	It's like they're afraid at this point at that Me Too movement to be forward and to be gentlemen.
	And Henry is a gentleman.
	So it's coming.
	He came from an innocent place and got completely smeared.
	And then now I see him be very quiet about stuff.
	And it's like he's very sensitive.
	And blame him.
	I like to think that I've never been like that, Cavill remarked before adding that it's only natural to question yourself.
	We're putting past under a microscope.
	I think any human being alive today, if someone casts too harsh a light on anything, you could be like, well, okay, yeah, when you say it like that, maybe something has to change.
	Absolutely.
	He also spoke about how it's important to retain the good things, which were a quality of the past, like chasing after women.
	Yeah, that's what I remember him saying in the interview.
	And keep going, Lord, to see if he continues.
	There's something wonderful about a man chasing a woman.
	I agree.
	There's a traditional approach to that, which is nice.
	I think a woman should be wooed and chased.
	But maybe I'm old-fashioned for thinking like it's very difficult to do that if there are certain rules in place.
	Because then it's like, well, I don't want to go up and talk to her because I'm going to be called a rapist or something.
	So you're like, forget it.
	I'm going to call an ex-girlfriend instead.
	And wow, interesting.
	And just go back to a relationship which never really worked.
	Although he admitted putting himself in that situation wasn't ideal.
	It's way safer than casting myself into the fires of hell.
	I'm someone in the public eye.
	And if I go and flirt with someone, then who knows what's going to happen?
	Now, now you really can't pursue someone further than no.
	It's like, okay, cool.
	But then there's, oh, why'd you give up?
	Oh, it's like, well, because I didn't want to go to jail.
	By the way, was he an MMA guy?
	Like, would he grapple?
	Did you guys grapple at all?
	Or was that not part of the relationship?
	I know you've joked and you've said you've compared grappling to sex and all that stuff when I don't know when you talked about that 10, 12 years ago.
	A long time ago, yeah.
	Yeah, but was he an MMA guy?
	No, he didn't do jiu-jitsu until after.
	And yes, of course.
	That's an awkward question.
	No, it's not.
	We definitely grappled.
	We're both in stunts.
	We both do our own stunts.
	He does his own stunts.
	And so, of course, we've grappled.
	Of course.
	Yeah.
	Well, listen, if you're a lady grappling with anybody, Henry Cavill is a pretty good guy to grapple with.
	And I'm sure, Gina, yourself being beautiful, it's a.
	Well, it's all funny games until they start sweating too hard and they realize it's a little bit dangerous.
	And by the way, staying on this point with the UFC side, Tom, did you want to say something about Henry?
	No, no, no.
	I was just going to compliment him.
	I think you're going to have to do it.
	No, you chose Henry, don't you?
	No, no.
	But you know what?
	I want to grapple with Superman too.
	I'm not really, I'm not, I don't really follow actors and like, you know, I like this actor, that actor.
	Like, you know, I have those that I like and also I appreciate those.
	You were a big Kevin Spacey guy, no, like from American Pie.
	Yeah, I had a lot of respect for Kevin Spacey's range and what he and how hard?
	Like, what do you mean, range?
	The range that he can bring.
	Oh, I'd like to.
	Tom, you can't be saying range.
	I'm sorry.
	No.
	It's inappropriate.
	I think that's like a gift in the vault.
	Kevin Spacey, I'm impressed by the phenomenal season in American beauty.
	Do you remember American Beauty?
	Yes.
	English is my fifth language.
	You can't say stuff.
	It's completely phenomenal.
	And take him back from American beauty to verbal kint and usual suspects and then go to House of Cards and tell me that it's not like an actor's actor.
	Yeah, he's.
	Henry was the same way.
	And I appreciated him because he was a great bond villain.
	As a matter of fact, he was such a good Bond villain that that kept him out of a role that I thought he could have played because he was a contender to be a next Bond.
	Wait, was no, was Henry a Bond villain?
	Was he, Tom?
	Well, he was a villain.
	Wait, was he?
	I may have just blown that one up.
	Wait, no, he was not.
	No, he knows it impossible.
	He was a bad guy who makes it impossible.
	He was a great villain.
	That's interesting.
	Who would your guys' top three picks for a Bond be?
	For the future?
	Yes.
	According to today's DI, if you want DI times, I would say Queen Latifah.
	I think.
	I think if we want to go, maybe.
	If you're asking me, I want to hide the i score.
	Don't you want to hide the colour?
	We got to get fun.
	I just fumbled that.
	I just fumbled that.
	Stevie Wonder.
	Stevie Wonder, because you have to be, you have to have, because the new DI thing is you have to have a disability, a person of color.
	Stevie Wonder.
	And he's just shooting everybody.
	James Bond.
	And I want real answers.
	Okay, so I'll give you real answers.
	It was a mission impossible.
	Today to play James Bond.
	Yes.
	Today.
	Who would you cast?
	I could easily do Ryan Gosling.
	Easily.
	I can see him doing that because I've seen him in the one movie where he played in the movie where they're trying to catch the mobster.
	What's his name?
	Mickey Cohen.
	Is this a story with Sean Penn is in the movie?
	And he's dating that one beautiful girl that she's the girlfriend of Mickey Cohen.
	What is the name of the Mickey Gangster squad?
	Was he in gangster squad or no?
	If you can pull up the casting gangster squad.
	Did he have an accent pad?
	Yeah, okay.
	So he gave me the vibes that I think he can play a James Bond.
	Let me see who else.
	Cavill could easily do it.
	You have to have that sarcasm.
	You get three.
	What's your last one?
	Remember, Bond, you need sarcasm.
	That's like a crazy thing.
	But they've traditionally been from their English, correct?
	Like, I mean, he'd have to put on an accent to be an English Bond.
	Wow, let me say this because I love this guy.
	I just freaking love the way he acts.
	And I don't know.
	He has the look for it because he's got more of the rugged look.
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	I don't know if I put him.
	I'm a diehard John Bernthal fan, but I'm not going to put that one in there.
	I really want to give you sincere feedback on Bond.
	Today.
	He was a finalist.
	Henry.
	I would definitely put Henry in the top three.
	Okay, and then for sure.
	Who's the other English actor?
	He was in.
	He was like, he had multiple personality syndrome throughout the whole movie switch or split.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Christian Bill could do it with his eyes closed.
	I think Bill could pull it off.
	Let me find out.
	I'll find out the name of the guy.
	He's a freaking person.
	He's fancy Matthew McConaughey at all.
	What do you think, Tom?
	Well, I look at it and, you know, I screwed up what I said earlier.
	Henry was an amazing villain in Mission Impossible, and people thought he was too villainous to be the virtuous Bond, that his characters and the things he had done maybe weren't quite there, and that he lacked the British sarcasm that is needed.
	Tom, who do you think?
	Which it is not.
	So I have a hard time with it.
	You know, I agree with you, Ryan Gosling, but it's like the last one, it's like they kind of pull him out of the hat.
	I mean, who was Roger Moore back in the day before he was James Bond?
	Right.
	Pierce Bros.
	And then he was doing Remington Steele.
	Oh, you know who else could pull it off?
	Somebody up and coming, maybe.
	You know who else could do it?
	He could do it as well.
	I can see Tom Hardy doing James Bond.
	That's, oh, yeah, yeah.
	I can see him doing it.
	Okay, my three.
	My three would be, yeah.
	Gosh, it's a toss-up between.
	So I do think Henry would be amazing.
	I think Idris Elba would be incredible.
	Monster.
	I mean, he's such a beautiful actor, and I think, you know, I could see him pulling that off.
	And then I would kind of be with Tom on leaving it up to maybe a new up-and-coming person younger, maybe, who can just own the role and make it his own, which there are a lot of amazing, maybe one of those Dune actors.
	Interesting.
	But it's got to be the right, it's got to be the right chemistry.
	I don't know.
	Casino Royale was a bit of a remake, but remember we all doubted a blonde James Bond, and he's not really this or that.
	And then Casino Royale came out, and you're like, holy smoke.
	Listen, I don't know about you guys Pat Nelly with the DI.
	I think, since we're trying to go, it's woke, like a Dylan Mulvaney, hear me out.
	And just, he's just like 007.
	Instead of the martinis, he's just like, I just, a Bud Light.
	What do you think, Rob?
	No?
	No, he would want the double.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Shake and not stir.
	No murder.
	Yeah, I'm allergic.
	What about James McElvoy?
	He's the guy from Split.
	He's a you know who Rob just sent, which I'm a big fan of, Colin Farrell.
	Oh, wow.
	Colin Farrell the Penguin, right?
	And Batman.
	Colin Farrell is high.
	He was in Tigerland, a movie most people haven't seen.
	Great hair.
	I'm a big fan of Colin Farrell as well.
	He's a little too old.
	He's the guy who just played.
	You need to be 40 because you're going to be.
	Oh, yeah.
	That's what's his name?
	Yeah.
	Sharp guy that just played Elvis.
	What is the guy's name?
	He's in Dune.
	Yeah, Austin Butler.
	Austin Butler.
	Man, that guy is incredible.
	And there's a couple, scroll up to see the rest of the cast of the Dune.
	I'm super excited about Dune by the way.
	Oh, meet you and me both.
	I loved the first one.
	Ridiculous.
	I'm going to be obsessed with the second one, and I already know it.
	When's it coming up?
	There's a couple.
	Oh, Timothy Chalamay.
	Nah, I can't see him.
	He's a little young.
	How old is Austin Butler?
	23, probably, 25.
	He's super young.
	He's not a.
	No, he's 32.
	Okay.
	Well, he looks 23.
	Let me tell you, that's about perfect because you want to start a whole new because you got to go.
	No, no, they want it for three movies.
	Look at Daniel Craig.
	I mean, Daniel, when Bond turns 45, you're done being Bond, right?
	Because you got to have the tone.
	You got to have the body.
	I mean, we've got now, you know, graphics and everything that although I gotta say, I don't know if it's just me getting older, but I find, you know, I find that women and men, and it probably is me getting older, they're getting sexier as they get older.
	I used to tell Henry, like, you know, while he was like struggling with some stuff, I was like, listen, you wait till you're 40 and your career is going to, you know, explode because for some reason in this business, you know, you need to put in your time, see that, you know, show everybody that you can handle it.
	And then I had another British actor, a friend of mine, who was like, you know, having trouble getting auditions and everything.
	And I was like, grow out your gray hair.
	Grow out your hair.
	You need to show your human side.
	And sure enough, he nailed the role.
	Oh, God.
	And they said, we really like your gray hair.
	Do you think we get sexier as we get older?
	I actually, I feel it.
	Tom, grow out that white beard.
	That's why I have my white hair.
	Thank God my wife feels that way.
	Yeah.
	So by the way, talking about MMA UFC.
	Oh, were we?
	Well, now going away, transitioning to a different topic.
	But we're all grappling.
	Your first, I think you had the first female live fight on Showtime was yours, right?
	You came out the gates.
	I think your first six fights, like you almost lost and you would not, it was relentless.
	It was so entertaining watching you fight crazy, right?
	The way you would fight.
	And you had the punch, you had to kick, but when they got you to the ground, you'd get up, you'd get out of it.
	Submission, you were able to do a lot of it.
	It was very a lot of fun watching you first.
	I attribute that to gymnastics.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Put your kids in gymnastics.
	Gymnastics teaches you so much about controlling every part of your body.
	Gymnastics and MMA, really?
	Well, I did that when I was younger.
	So I had tap, jazz, and ballet and gymnastics when I was younger.
	And then I got into sports.
	But I believe gymnastics gave me the full body awareness and function of how every muscle works.
	Is that more the flexibility?
	So when you're cornered and you're pinned, where the average person may feel severe pain, you may not because your body is flexible or no, that's got nothing to do with it.
	No, but I mean, Like you're gonna scramble out of certain, you know, if you're if your mind is creative, which gymnastics has you to be creative, um, you're gonna scramble and be able to get out of those bad situations.
	And also, you know, you can't teach heart, really.
	And so it's like you could see that with you when you were fighting.
	It's definitely like it's in there, you know?
	That's cool.
	No, so I mean, you know, in bodybuilding, Arnold, they used to take ballet lessons because it would be, it would be when you would pose.
	So it was kind of everybody would fun laugh at him and like, no, later on, everybody started doing it because there was this back in the days, one guy who was an incredible poser.
	Beard, the guy with the beard?
	What's his name?
	What is his name?
	It's not Franco Colombo.
	It's the guy prior to him.
	I think he passed away.
	Great po.
	Anyways, I'll think about his name.
	So going back to it, so first, then you fight Cyborg.
	And then after Cyborg, and Cyborg at that time, doesn't look like Cyborg, by the way.
	When you look at Cyborg with the fight with you, I almost couldn't recognize her.
	And then Cyborg becomes Cyborg.
	But there was a moment where Rhonda Rousey said her inspiration to become who she became was you.
	You inspired Rhonda Rousey.
	Am I saying that correctly?
	Yeah, I, you know, Rhonda has, you know, just been such a respectful, you know, she was such a little shit talker all through her career, but the one person she didn't really shit talk was me, really.
	That's cool.
	And she really always did give me that tribute.
	And to have inspired, to not having been, you know, made the walk in the EFC and gotten the fight, to have the person that did, you know, really break down those barriers.
	And that is just, it's very special to me.
	And I think she's a very special person.
	I think she gets a really bad rep. And, you know, people like to paint her as the bad guy.
	But for what, though?
	Just because she likes to play the heel.
	She doesn't mind being the heel.
	She's going to love it.
	Yeah.
	I'm sure Dana loves it.
	I'm sure he loves it.
	He loved it.
	Yeah.
	And it's just certain people's personalities, you know.
	But I think when you look deeper at the person that she is, which I've, you know, I watch and I study people, I think it was a very special, special person.
	Is it true that Dana almost was trying to pull off a fight with the two of you guys having a big fight?
	Well, it's really funny because me and Dana had a conversation while I was fighting right before I fought Cyborg.
	You know, Dana and Lorenzo Fertita had me into their office.
	And basically they were like, you know, we'd like you to come over and be our first company's first female fighter.
	And I just couldn't do that because I had my promises and my contract to Strike Force.
	So you couldn't leave?
	No.
	And at that time, UFC, this is 15 years ago.
	This is a while back.
	Right.
	So it wasn't like UFC was massive yet.
	There was no females.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	And there was what at that time was what?
	Pride, Strike Force, UFC.
	UFC was pretty big at that time.
	15.
	Yeah, I mean, I think that was basically the prime, like in my opinion, the old school prime.
	Got it.
	Yeah.
	So that would be what Rampage is that the Rashad Evans, Randy Couture, Chuck.
	That's the Destiero.
	Yeah, that was a funder.
	I don't disagree.
	And it was like, those were times where, and this is also relating to the movie industry, it's where the people get to pick their champion.
	So now it feels like, you know, what the studio is doing is they're controlling, you know, they're controlling the media.
	They're controlling the critics.
	They're controlling everything.
	And they're not letting the people pick, hey, I like Gina Carano.
	I like her.
	Let's build her.
	And that takes away from the art of the fun of it, you know.
	And so it's like, we want to root for someone.
	We want to, as a public, want to get together and we want to be like, we helped that girl become who she was because she, you know, we saw her.
	And I think nowadays studios are like, nope, you know, we're going to tell you through the publicists who we're going to put on your magazines, who we're going to promote, who we're going to interview, who's going to play by our rules.
	And it's just so manufactured and it takes away from art.
	So was it close of you fighting Rhonda or no?
	That wasn't really you going over.
	No, no, we definitely, I just needed, I needed six months because, you know, first of all, like weight cutting for me during that time, you know, I would struggle because all of the women were in the 135, you know, weight division and I could get down to 145, but there was only twice in my career that I got down to 136 and 139.
	And that is like chopping off a leg for me.
	It was so difficult, but that's where all of the women were at that time because there wasn't a lot of women.
	So I sat down with Dana and I was like, well, I wish you guys would have approached me five years ago.
	You know, like I've been waiting for this.
	And so I was like, I just need some time and I need you to keep it quiet, Dana, you know, keep it really quiet so I can go and I didn't have a gym.
	I would have to go reemerge myself into a gym, which when I go into gyms, people put cameras on me and, you know, leak the stuff.
	Yeah, and you have to find and build your team.
	And I wasn't living in Las Vegas, which is where my team was.
	So I was living in LA and it would have been hard and I needed to rebuild a team and do it right.
	And so then, you know, Dana, and I love him now.
	He's amazing.
	He's been amazing now.
	But then, you know, Dana's Dana.
	He was like out there like, you know, he immediately started talking about it.
	And it made my life very difficult to try to go into that.
	But then what happens when you've got this other career going and you care about, you know, you really care about acting and continuing on the art because art will outlast fighting, right?
	Can't fight forever.
	That's true.
	So I want to make sure I kept my art going.
	Then shows up Deadpool and then shows up another movie.
	And so it is a very difficult thing to try to do both of those things at once.
	And in my head, I'm just so passionate about the storytelling.
	And in the last couple of years, I've just been passionate about trying to get back into that.
	Because when Rhonda fought Holly, people underestimated Holly, but the people who knew fight game, like when I would talk to people who are in that world, they're like, listen, do not underestimate how you called it.
	Yeah, she's a beast, right?
	I trained with Holly.
	I lived in Albuquerque, New Mexico, and I've never seen a woman or possibly, no, actually, you know, my partner now is the hardest worker I'll ever know.
	He's into Muay Thai and was one of like the first Muay Thai, Kevin Ross.
	But second to hard workers, I'd say the Holly Home.
	No joke.
	Like is the hardest worker.
	Interesting.
	Wow.
	She runs.
	She does all of the stuff.
	She's so disciplined.
	It was a beautiful thing to be around.
	And, you know, it was really cool.
	If your peak, your thoughts, I mean, you're somebody that understands the fight game and knows it.
	We're just fans.
	Your peak against Rhonda's peak, who wins the fight?
	I do.
	You think so?
	Tell me why.
	Why do you think?
	Because I pack a hell of a punch.
	She did too, though.
	No.
	Mom, I don't know.
	You're a choker.
	No, I mean, I know.
	I've had, you know, I know how she punches.
	I punched like a trucker.
	I might have to get punched after this.
	They will knock me out.
	So what area would she have the edge over you?
	The ground.
	Okay.
	Obviously.
	But I'm, you know, I'm scrambly.
	So it's no disrespect.
	And I'm sure she'd say the same thing.
	She would win.
	But that's just something I know.
	That would have been a good thing.
	I know, like, after you've been punched like that, right?
	After you've got, she got shook twice, Amanda Nunes and Holly Holmes.
	And I believe, you know, I think I'm one of the hardest punchers that women's mixed martial arts has ever seen.
	By the way, go go.
	So what about you against Holly or you against Amanda?
	those would be more interesting i think uh with holly would be uh it would be more of you'd want to be in the best shape of your life It would be more get her to the ground.
	But I also believe that Muay Thai beats, you know, kickboxing in every way.
	So she's more of a kickboxer.
	And I feel, but she does have the experience, though.
	And so there's, you know, that would be a little bit more, I think, of an interesting fight.
	And Amanda Nunes, she's got that cyborg energy and has been retired for a while.
	But yeah, I don't, I don't know.
	I mean, that one would be difficult.
	That would be more.
	She's a monster.
	When I watch her fight, you kind of like, holy shit.
	She comes in.
	She's crazy.
	She's almost like that smile is intimidating.
	Who's the Mexican?
	Who's the one she fought and she lost?
	Where she just wouldn't give up?
	Cortez.
	Cortez.
	Yeah, that's right.
	Yeah, and she was interesting to watch.
	Which was awesome, right?
	Yeah.
	She was the underdog there.
	Super.
	Like, nobody thought she stood a chance.
	Oh, I love that.
	Yeah.
	Oh, no, no, it wasn't.
	Not this one.
	This is not the one.
	You would know.
	Just type in Nunez-Cortez.
	That's all you got to do.
	Cortez.
	or maybe it's our loss was against Maybe it's not Cortez.
	Go to Images, Rob.
	Go to Images.
	That fight was really awesome.
	That one surprised me.
	Just type in Nunez and go to Wikipedia and you'll see who she lost to Amanda.
	Regardless, while we have this moment, I love all of these women.
	I think they're incredible.
	And, you know, it's easy to sit here from a microphone and say, I would and I wouldn't.
	But, you know, I do, I do want to talk about Juliana Peno.
	I personally would have my money.
	I'm not being real because I watched Rhonda from when she started to, she, like you said, she was more of a judo.
	Was it judo?
	Her discipline.
	She didn't, she never really boxed, and she never really, you know, used her hands.
	And I mean, Holly Holmes was that match where Holly kept her away from her and was kicking and punching.
	But I think you'd have the edge if it came down to you.
	It would be fun.
	It'd be very fun.
	It'd be pretty difficult if it went to the ground, which it could.
	With Ronda Ronda.
	She was just trying to grab people on ground.
	It was dangerous.
	But you can obviously see that you can stay away from going on the ground with her.
	And then with Holly, it would be very tough because she's also a boxer.
	Beats Huff Standing.
	I think she's done a lot of practice with wrestling and jiu-jitsu.
	This makes sense because the controversy with the Rhonda fight against Holly was that the coach got criticized for making her believe that she could beat her standing up rather than taking it to the ground.
	I think it was an Armenian or somebody that was involved in it.
	That was some controversy.
	I had some inside stuff too.
	And this might have been it, but somebody went up to me, another comedian.
	I don't want to say his name, but he knows who he is.
	He went up to me and goes, Vinny, and he's never talked about gambling.
	He goes, bet the house on Holly Holmes.
	I was like, how do you know?
	Honestly, Gina, he goes, she's fighting with her boyfriend.
	He goes, they've been having a fight.
	This guy's into the whole, he knows all the UFC people.
	He goes, they're arguing.
	They're fighting.
	She's miserable.
	She hasn't slept and trained.
	And I go, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	And we were watching it together.
	She kicked her in the face and he goes, I told you so.
	And I was like, damn it.
	Who do you like today?
	Who do you like today?
	From the men's side?
	Who do you like today?
	Oh my gosh.
	I was really happy for Brian T. City the other night.
	It was awesome to see him.
	He's been through a lot.
	You know, I've actually really been into the one championship.
	Muay Thai and MMA fights a lot.
	And I think that they have some one of the best, most quality fighters that are, you know, actually worldwide.
	And so if one championship were to bring their promotion here, that would be really interesting.
	My first love is Muay Thai.
	So like Kevin Ross, who is my partner, was one of the first American, I guess, legends, you'd say, that made it popular.
	Oh, wow.
	Yeah, there he is.
	He's at home right now taking care of the chickens and the patients.
	And the country has just made him look that much better.
	He retired.
	And the pregnant horse.
	And the pregnant horse.
	Yeah, we have a pregnant horse.
	I was like, you know, something's happened.
	Not me, but something's having a baby on this property.
	Gina, who would you say is the number one, the top male UFC fighter of all time?
	Who would you have to, if you had to pick one, who would be your number one that you got?
	Like, you have to, hey, we were picking bond people.
	I might be the wrong person to ask that.
	Why?
	Because I'm more of like a, if you, I don't care if a fighter loses or wins.
	I file, I like the people's champ.
	I like the people that know how to win the crowd.
	And those are the people, like the Diaz brothers.
	I feel like they always win the crowd.
	Are you Connor?
	Are you a Connor McGregor?
	Are you a Mazvadal guy?
	Yeah.
	He wins the crowd.
	Yeah.
	I love anybody who wins a crowd.
	I think Connor has, he's incredible.
	I mean, I love big personalities like that that shake the room, you know, and so I feel like he wins the crowd.
	And when he doesn't feel like he's winning, he's going to disappoint the crowd.
	He's going to make you feel it and it's going to like take away from the people's champ.
	So he's got a very beautiful talent there.
	Donald Ceroni is incredible.
	I worked with him.
	He's like a big brother that never stops like poking you.
	Interesting.
	An incredible actor, by the way.
	We put him in Terror on the Prairie.
	And it's, you know, Randy Couture.
	Randy Couture is a legend and a beautiful person.
	So there's just so many that I personally worked with.
	Well, Gina, this has been a blast.
	Can you tell the audience if there's anything you're currently working on or anything that they can follow you on?
	It'd be great for them to know so they can support.
	Yeah, well, I'd first love to thank you all for your support already, because had that support not happened, I wouldn't be sitting here.
	I would still be in the desert.
	So I've got a fighting chance here and I support it.
	And that came from the support of so many for so long around the world.
	So that's what I appreciate.
	What I'm working on right now is I've kind of revamped and cleaned out my team.
	And I've got a new manager on announce who was a producer.
	And now he's taking me on as his first client.
	So I have a, I'm building up this new team who have existing, you know, properties, but also things that I am creating.
	And so I want to give somebody something to, I want to give you all something to root for.
	It's been a tough couple years trying to get this monkey off my back.
	And so I feel I'm at the start of that.
	And I'm so excited to keep creating because I think that I'm just going to surprise.
	I'm going to surprise the world in ways that I already have.
	And I look forward to doing that.
	I love it, Rob.
	If we can put anything to direct social or website, whatever it may be, so the audience can go follow.
	And we're here to support you.
	We're excited to see what happens next.
	What a wonderful story.
	What a great soul you are.
	And you got fancier.
	Thank you.
	You got fancier.
	So again, thank you so much for coming out.
	Thank you.
	Gang, tomorrow we will have a podcast with Eric Prince that will come out first thing in the morning.
	And we will do this again next week.
	Take care, everybody.

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