PBD - Patrick Bet-David - Dave Portnoy Now Part Owner of Rumble w/ Rumble CEO Chris Pavlovski | PBD Podcast

Jan. 22, 2024 - PBD - Patrick Bet-David

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Dave Portnoy Now Part Owner of Rumble w/ Rumble CEO Chris Pavlovski | PBD Podcast | Ep. 354

Patrick Bet-David, Adam Sosnick, Tom Ellsworth, and Vincent Oshana are joined by Rumble CEO Chris Pavlovski. Chris Pavlovski is the Founder and Chief Executive Officer of Rumble. As a three-time successful entrepreneur, Mr. Pavlovski has over 20 years’ experience in the online marketing and advertising space. Subscribe to Barstool Sports, now on Rumble: https://bit.ly/3HpUZvX 5:25 - Chris explains why Barstool Sports made the move to Rumble. 11:17 - The difference between X and Rumble. 14:31 - Vivek Ramaswamy was an early investor in Rumble and invested $25 million into the platform. 18:10 - Are Rumble users Democrats or Republicans? The answer may surprise you. 22:49 - Who are the most viewed streamers on Rumble? 28:51 - The mistakes that Parlor made that Rumble hasn't. 31:19 - Rumble files patent to make Rumble Studio available to the public. 38:14 - The winner of the Minnect Challenge is announced! 42:38 - UFC audience chants "F*ck Trudeau" during this weekend's fight. 48:48 - Dana White discusses allowing UFC fighters to say whatever they want. 1:08:48 - Ron DeSantis drops out of the 2024 Presidential Primary. 1:19:44 - Who is Trump going to pick as his VP candidate for 2024? 1:29:58 - Is the NFL considering making the Super Bowl a PPV event? 1:42:22 - Nikki Haley claims she was discriminated against because she was a "brown girl." Connect one-on-one with the right expert to get the answers you need with Minnect: https://bit.ly/3MC9IXE Purchase Patrick's new book "Choose Your Enemies Wisely": https://bit.ly/41bTtGD Register to win a Valuetainment Boss Set (valued at over $350): https://bit.ly/41PrSLW Get a free "Future Looks Bright" Hat & T-Shirt: Purchase two "Future Looks Bright" Hats and one "Future Looks Bright" T-Shirt & use the promo code "pbdpodcast2024" at checkout! Get best-in-class business advice with Bet-David Consulting: https://bit.ly/40oUafz Visit VT.com for the latest news and insights from the world of politics, business and entertainment: https://bit.ly/472R3Mz Visit Valuetainment University for the best courses online for entrepreneurs: https://bit.ly/47gKVA0 Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! SUBSCRIBE TO: @VALUETAINMENT @vtsoscast @ValuetainmentComedy @bizdocpodcast @theunusualsuspectspodcast Want to be clear on your next 5 business moves? https://bit.ly/3Qzrj3m Join the channel to get exclusive access to perks: https://bit.ly/3Q9rSQL Download the podcasts on all your favorite platforms https://bit.ly/3sFAW4N Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

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	Did you ever think you would make it?
	I know this life meant for me.
	Why would you pet on Goliath when we got bad dated?
	Value tame is giving values contagious.
	This world of entrepreneurs, we get no value to hate it.
	I'm the one.
	Tom, it's inappropriate.
	Something like that.
	Okay, gang.
	Very rarely, very rarely do we allow two Canadians on the podcast.
	We don't do that because it's in our code for PVD podcasts, but we're doing this for the first time.
	I think it's the first time.
	Tom being a Canadian.
	If you didn't know, if you're disappointed, we have another Chris Pavlovsky, founder of Rumble.
	Big shot announcement today.
	I mean, a massive, massive announcement today that they made.
	They just signed Dave Portnoy and Barstool Sports is officially with Rumble.
	Wow.
	And it's such a big deal.
	I mean, obviously, if you look at the market, the stock is up 30, 32% just today after the announcement being made that they're now with Rumble.
	It's such a big deal that Dana White is retweeting this and sharing it with the marketplace on what's going on.
	Exciting news.
	He'll give us more of the details.
	There's some structure of it that people don't know, which you will learn about.
	The public doesn't know what the structure is.
	I think he's going to whisper to us a little bit.
	And then at the same time, Truth Social today is up 75, 78% today.
	And a lot of people are saying, why is this happening?
	It's because they're thinking he's going to be the candidate.
	So truth is going to go.
	And he's not tweeting.
	So everybody's got to go on Truth to see what he has to say.
	And that's a power play he's making.
	But before we get into this story, let me share with you what other stories we're going to be talking about as well.
	One, Bernie Sanders' wife signed a deal publishing a book in 2017.
	She got $106,000 auto check.
	Are you serious?
	You know, today publishers are still waiting for a book.
	There is no book.
	No.
	When have you ever heard a book taking this long to write?
	We'll see.
	Maybe it's such a powerful novel, exercise of a Bible, that she's doing a lot of due diligence.
	We'll talk about that.
	She hasn't been feeling well.
	Explain that.
	She hasn't been feeling well.
	DeSantis drops out.
	Timing good spoiler.
	DeSantis drops out a presidential race and he seems so relieved.
	It's amazing.
	This is the happiest I see.
	Ever, ever.
	Yeah.
	And by the way, I mean, good for him.
	It's exciting to see him being happy in 10 months.
	And then NATO warns an all-out war in Russia next 20 years.
	Wait till we play this one video for you and you'll see what's going on with that.
	DOJ, Biden's DOJ, finally admits Hunter Biden's laptop is real.
	Tom has a perspective that I think is very, very interesting that he'll point out in regards to pardoning, that there's an element of resigning.
	You just have to hear this perspective he's got.
	Very, very interesting.
	Vivek for VP race, this last Sunday, right after DeSantis suspended his race and endorsed Trump.
	I was on a Twitter ex with Mario Nafal, and it was a very interesting conversation.
	Everybody wanted to know about VP.
	Tulsa Gabber's name came up again.
	Vivek's name came up again.
	And all of it led to an interesting name of a person that a lot of people are wondering, you know, how this name was announced.
	We'll break it down for you on a VP candidate that maybe nobody is talking about.
	Stay tuned for that.
	We'll get to that here in a minute as well.
	Jordan Peterson fires back after court dismisses his appeal of mandated social media training.
	The war has barely started, says Jordan Peterson, the monster.
	Ohio lawmakers propose paying students to attend school and graduate.
	Let me read this one more time so you know it's not a mistake.
	Listen, Ohio lawmakers propose paying students to attend school and graduate.
	Think about it.
	We're paying you to go to high school.
	Just please stay in school.
	We'll pay you to stay in school instead of going out there and causing mayhem.
	And then Elon Musk, will Elon Musk's politics impact Tesla sales?
	Forbes thinks it will.
	Buying out payload is destroying a lot of people.
	Big developer launches a billion-dollar fund to buy distressed New York City offices.
	NFL announces pre-game will include black national anthem.
	And on top of that, NFL is talking about how a pay-per-view Super Bowl may happen sooner than you think.
	Can you imagine?
	We're paying to watch Super Bowl.
	And last but not least, for some of you guys, if you're having a rough day and maybe you have some sympathy left in you to give to somebody else, Nikki Haley claims she was a victim of racism.
	Tease every day for being brown.
	She's brown.
	Yeah, I mean, she was teased.
	And you have to respond to that.
	You're brown.
	I'm brown.
	Yeah, but listen, life is hard.
	And, you know, if you want some uplifting news, trans golfer Haley Davidson wins women's tournament.
	Let's go, bro.
	There's increasing chances to LPGA.
	Let's go, baby.
	Qualify.
	Obviously, big news.
	I'm sure many people listening to this are celebrating.
	But with all of that stuff being said, Rumble.
	Let's get back to this.
	And, you know, with Rumble, I'll give a Manect update here as well in a minute.
	Just hang tight.
	But with Rumble, if you look at the screen right there, Barstool joins Rumble.
	The market lost their minds.
	Let me get this straight.
	Dave Portnoy, the marketer that he is, right?
	The mouthpiece.
	He's everywhere, right?
	Mainstream guy is officially joining Rumble.
	Everyone's asking, what's the structure look like?
	What does this really mean?
	The stock is up 32%.
	There's no better person to talk about the structure and the deal than the founder of Rumble, Chris.
	So, Chris, tell us about what's going on here with the big news today.
	Patrick, thanks for having me on.
	Thanks for having me on, guys.
	Love you, Chris.
	Really, really, really proud to be on here today.
	So, yeah, earlier this morning, you guys broke and we broke that Barstool is joining Rumble.
	It's going to be a deal that encompasses cloud, an advertising partnership where our sales teams can help each other sell ads on Rumble and bringing all their content to Rumble.
	In addition to that, they'll also be promoting Rumble on all their social media accounts, only Rumble.
	So we're really excited about that.
	That's a big, big thing for us to have a brand like Barstool really kind of getting behind it.
	But here's the big thing.
	And like the thing that I think actually probably nobody knows is, and my favorite thing, I think it's the best thing, the biggest thing, is he didn't come for the bag.
	He came for the normally most people do, by the way.
	Exactly.
	Yeah.
	He came for the equity.
	So Dave Portnoy is now an owner of Rum owns part of Rumble.
	The deal was structured with equity, not with mostly equity, with a little bit of cash.
	So it wasn't entirely a bag like everyone else out there looks for.
	So for me, that's super exciting because, you know, he believes in this, he believes in this company.
	He believes in Rumble.
	He believes in the idea of creating competition in the market.
	And we need someone like Dave to get behind something, Rumble, like him to get behind Rumble.
	I think that's like key for us.
	And having Barstool and all their litany, like their massive list of podcasts, let me tell you.
	All of them joining.
	When I was looking at it, I was like, oh, wow, that one too?
	How many is it, Chris?
	It's more than 75.
	I think.
	I think it's like, it's just like a massive list of content they have.
	So bringing that onto Rumble is like huge because like all our consumption is driven by content and having content now in the sports category that they cover, you know, very thoroughly is also really complimentary to us because I've been pushing sports like more than anything.
	Since we went public, we raised roughly 400 million back in September.
	I can't, I'm getting losing my ears.
	It's going so fast, but like September 2022.
	And the majority of that, you know, a lot of that money has been going into investing into content.
	And in particular, the biggest investments have been going into like sports.
	We invested in PowerSlap.
	We invested in street league skateboarding.
	We invested in Nitro Rally Cross Racing.
	And we even have the UFC on and we run UFC pay-per-view in Canada.
	So a lot of the investment has gone towards sports.
	And I think this is like a super complimentary thing to have is having Barstool and all their podcasts on there, really kind of broadening that portfolio of sports.
	Tom, let me ask you a question.
	If you look at it from an investor's lens, when you hear, and by the way, this is breaking news.
	Just not the fact that Barstool joins Rumble is breaking news.
	We broke that this morning at 8 a.m.
	What's breaking news is the fact that this is an equity deal.
	Bigger portion of it, based on what you're saying, is equity than it is cash.
	They got some cash, but mostly equity.
	How do you look at it from Dave Portnoy's POV when he says, no, I want equity because I'm long on this company?
	How do you process that?
	I process it a couple of ways.
	So first, let me put on my like Dave Portnoy hat.
	It's like, wow, here's a platform that's established.
	It has a public currency, meaning it's trading on the stock market.
	And I am going to personally drive the value of that currency.
	So rather than paying me $1 today, you could be paying me $10, $20, $50, $100 tomorrow for every dollar you pledge to me today.
	And when you're in Dave's position and you can take that deal because he's been so successful and he also, you know, it's all public.
	So we'll talk about Penn Gaming and ESPN and everything that did there gave him his freedom back.
	And there are some things that happened there.
	So he's in a position that he can go long on Dave by going long on Rumble.
	Now, I'll give you another perspective if it's okay.
	Let's look at the Wall Street Analyst.
	Wow.
	So Rumble doesn't have to use any of their precious capital.
	They can keep building infrastructure so they can scale up to serve more viewers and more things with their platform.
	And they get the benefit of this individual.
	Okay, well, I wonder what the dilution is on the stock, but they're bringing more content that is already proven and established.
	You know, any dilution is canceled by that because we're increasing the value of the whole.
	And any retail investor, you know, like me, you, whoever on the street, you look at it and you say, wow, now there's more great content on that platform.
	So like when Sunday Ticket went to DirecTV back in the day, 1994, it really made DirecTV because they gave you a reason to go to DirecTV because there's great content.
	Content makes the platform not the other way around.
	And you can already see the content that's already been on Rumble.
	Now you've put more content on top of that.
	And the market has had a value-driven, very positive reaction today.
	Congratulations, Chris.
	Yeah, that's a big deal.
	So, and by the way, for the audience that maybe they're only YouTube, right?
	Or even X, or maybe they consume their content, TikTok, Instagram, different places.
	What would you say is the biggest differentiator between Rumble and anything else that's out there, whether it's YouTube or X?
	So there's a lot of different components.
	X is very different than Rumble in many different ways.
	And, you know, I'll try to break that down because I think it's important for people to understand.
	I don't see X as competition at all.
	The one part that we share is freedom of expression, allowing people to be authentic and allowing people to speak their minds.
	But in terms of the platform itself, X is a discovery platform.
	So, you know, if I'm on a discovery platform like TikTok or X or Facebook or Instagram, you're going there to consume content and you're going there to find content.
	You don't have any particular motive to go there.
	When you're going to YouTube or you're going to Rumble, on YouTube's case, DIY video, you know exactly what you're going to watch and what you're trying to find.
	When you're going to Rumble, you know exactly who you're going to, you're going to reserve like an hour to watch one of the shows on Rumble, like Bongino or whoever it may be.
	And you're going to reserve like one full hour, two hours.
	You're not going there to discover.
	You're going there with a high intention of watching something very specific.
	And you might turn on your TV, you might participate in the chat, and it's a very different experience than when you look at X or TikTok, Facebook, or whatnot.
	So the way I look at it is Rumble is very intention-based, and X, TikTok, and all the other platforms are very discovery, non-intention-based.
	How do you compare YouTube to Rumble?
	Now, YouTube is much different.
	They're much more like Rumble, same like Twitch.
	You have high intention.
	Even Netflix, for example, is closer to Rumble than an X is.
	And that's because it all stems from the behavior.
	They have intention.
	When you're going to YouTube, you're watching the Patrick Pett David podcast.
	You're reserving an hour to watch it.
	You're not going there and figuring it out.
	You already know when he's going to go or you're getting a notification when he's going to go and you see if you have time and you go watch the full podcast.
	The same thing happens with Rumble.
	Now, the difference between YouTube and Rumble, there's a lot of striking differences.
	One is obviously you can actually be authentic on Rumble, whereas on YouTube, authenticity doesn't exist anymore.
	They've taken that out.
	You can't have conversations on numerous different topics without some kind of repercussion that's going to happen on the platform.
	Whereas on Rumble, you can be authentic.
	So people are going to come to Rumble if they want to really see a really true, authentic experience and have content that they may agree with or disagree with.
	Whereas on YouTube, you're going to be much more limited in what you're going to see and you're not really sure if that person that you're watching is being authentic.
	So I think that's like a glaring example.
	At four o'clock, I'll tell you a little bit more about what we have in store tomorrow.
	But that will make a big difference against YouTube.
	So I was told I can't talk about that.
	I want to share something for the viewers that you're about to be spooked when I tell you the story about Rumble.
	And I think you will be spooked as well, both you and Adam, and maybe even Tom.
	Can you pull up that story real quick, Rob, on who was one of the early investors in Rumble?
	It's a guy named Vivek.
	Vivek Ramaswani was one of the early investors in Rumble.
	Matter of fact, New York Times broke the story.
	If you can go to the Ramaswani investment seam at odds with his position on woke culture.
	So can we see the date on this?
	When this was, if we can see the date on the story.
	Okay, so July 7th, 2023, we're talking about six months ago.
	Go a little lower, keep going lower, lower, Lord.
	They're breaking all these things down.
	And then boom, I think go up, go up.
	Where you see 25 million, go up a little bit more.
	Look for it.
	There you go.
	But until you file these financial disclosures with election officials, there were a few details.
	The filing reported that Mr. Ramaswamy owned up to $25 million investment in Rumble.
	The video platform styles itself a refuge for right-wing commentators, shunned elsewhere.
	He owns up to $300,000 in cryptocurrency, primarily Bitcoin, and then all these other things.
	So $25 million.
	Vivek Ramaswani is an investor in Rumble, and this was a quietly kept secret.
	I don't think anybody's talked about this publicly, but how did that happen?
	Well, first, we're not a platform for right-wing commentators.
	I love how they talk about that.
	But that's New York Commons.
	Right-wing.
	Yeah, right-wing.
	You're not even.
	We're a platform for everyone.
	And we have sports leagues on there.
	We got BKFC.
	We've got UFC.
	So I don't know where they come up with that, but they find their way.
	You got to love New York Times' approach, though.
	They come from a gentle approach and non-judgment, loving honey.
	Go for it.
	Highly medicated.
	So, yeah.
	So Vivek was in our first public round prior to going public.
	Vivek was part of that with Nario Capital and Peter Thiel.
	And he was one of the larger investors when we started.
	And that's what Peter Thiel when they came in.
	Yeah, I think that was in May of 21 or April of 21.
	Does he publicly talk about it?
	I don't hear him publicly talking about it.
	No, I haven't heard.
	Do you know why he doesn't publicly talk?
	He's got money behind it.
	He wins, right?
	I mean, if that's the number, 32%, essentially, he made $5 million today, if that's the investment that we're talking about, right?
	Minimum.
	$25 million.
	No, at that age.
	No, that $25 million is a bigger number.
	It's a much bigger number to him, whatever that $25 million is worth today.
	But I've not heard him talk about it.
	Do you and him communicate a lot?
	You and Vivek?
	We communicate.
	Not a lot, but we do communicate.
	I stay in touch with him quite frequently.
	What do you think about him as the way he campaigned?
	And now some people are talking about potentially VP.
	I think Trump just announced he's not going to be the VP.
	What do you think about him as a candidate?
	I think he impressed a lot of people.
	He definitely caught the eye of a lot of people and impressed a lot of people.
	And he did a lot better than everyone thought he was going to do.
	So I think that's impressive for anybody to pull over 5% in Iowa is a very impressive stat.
	For somebody like that to pull it.
	Yeah.
	So anyways, here you go.
	If you didn't know, Vivek, investor in Rumble.
	But I found it interesting.
	No, does he post on Rumble?
	Yeah, he's on Rumble as well.
	Let me tie in Vivek and Rumble and sort of what kind of reacted to on this right, what did they call it, right?
	Right?
	Right-wing commentary.
	So I remember sitting with you, with PBD, at the Republican debates in Miami.
	That's the debate where Vivek was like, I'm calling on Rhonda McDaniel to step down right now.
	Kristen Welker, you know, he basically did the old office space.
	Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you.
	You're cool.
	All that same thing.
	You got something to say?
	Go.
	There you go.
	So I'm sitting next to you.
	You're on two phones.
	You're checking.
	Trump's giving a speech.
	You're also sponsoring the RNC.
	Like, you get a lot going on.
	I mean, I don't know how you have today, but you're doing your thing.
	So there's a difference between perception and reality.
	I know you reacted real quick.
	You're like, no, we're not a right-wing refuge.
	We're actually a free speech platform.
	Free speech, ironically enough, as mind-blowing it is, kind of meets right-wing these days, which is weird.
	So, and I remember you showing me the percentage of breakdown of people that are left-wing, right-wing, right-Chris.
	And you're like, actually, it's a lot more in the middle than you would suspect, but there's a difference between perception and reality.
	How do you avoid being labeled, even from the New York Times and the media, positioning Rumble?
	All those right-wingers over there, it's like the reality is we're just a free speech platform that should be left, right, center, up, down.
	How do you avoid that label?
	It's a great question, and it's true.
	The perception is not the perception is totally different than the reality.
	The data, just simply the data, not by Rumble, but by ComScore, which is like the holy grail in the advertising industry.
	This is what people spend their money behind.
	So if the data says this and it matches ComScore, advertisers put money behind it.
	So I'm guessing it's to them, they think it's right.
	So the data has Democrats as the number one category on Rumble.
	Stop and think about that.
	Right.
	This right wing independent independents are second and Republicans are third.
	Independence and no affiliation combined is the largest category on Rumble.
	I think you showed us I have it pinned on X at the very top because I just want everybody to see that because this is pinned up top on Rumble Handle or on Twitter on my personal Chris.
	Can you go to Chris's personal handle and show that?
	I remember you showing me these numbers, and I think it's important to talk for the reputation of Rumble.
	Because if I asked you, hey, who's on True Social?
	Would it be like, oh, it's the MAGA people, right?
	Who's on Parlor?
	Wait one second here.
	Okay, so if you look at this, no affiliation, 12.6%.
	Other 1.2.
	Independent, 28.9%.
	Democrat, 35.5%.
	21.8% is Republican.
	Now, who ran this?
	Com score ran this?
	Correct.
	That's very interesting to see data like that.
	Q3 last year?
	No, this, yeah, September.
	What is what is people's reaction when you show this?
	They're thinking 80% is Republican.
	Right.
	They don't believe it.
	It's that simple.
	They don't believe it.
	But, but, like, there's a lot of things that have happened on Rumble in the last year that might have moved this number a lot.
	We signed like massive creators.
	We brought in sports leagues.
	We brought on like, we brought on guys like Kai Sanat and iShow Speed to do a show.
	We brought on DJ Academics to do a show.
	These are not political creators.
	Most of my investment have not been political at all.
	They've been in like various different categories, primarily sports.
	But we're talking about the number one streamer on Twitch, Kai Sanat, number one streamer on YouTube, iShow Speed, the number one guy in hip-hop culture, DJ Academics.
	Like you bring all these people onto the platform and you bring on all these sports league like Slap and SLS, you're not going to have like the typical makeup of users that you know that are tied to politics.
	So, and there's also something to be said: is maybe people don't understand mega that well.
	Maybe people don't understand what the mega composition really is as well.
	So, like, are they all are they all registered Republicans, or a lot of them independents, or a lot of them, maybe even Democrats?
	Who knows?
	The MAGA crowd to make America great again.
	Well, I mean, that's well, no, no, they're definitely not Democrats.
	Well, for sure, no, I get that, but like, where was the voter-based where did they do so well?
	Like, where did Trump do so well in 2016?
	Pennsylvania, yeah, the Rust Belt, the Rust Belt, the typical blue wall.
	Were they registered Democrats five to ten years ago?
	No, a lot of these guys flip-flop every four years, they're the bipolar part of the community.
	Traditionally, they've been the blue wall that has elected the Democrats since Clinton and Obama.
	Correct, but what are they registered as?
	A lot of times they're independent.
	There you go.
	Well, that's in the data.
	Interesting.
	So, independents, 35.5% Democrat.
	I don't think most people would have guessed.
	So, who are some of the biggest, if you were to give some numbers, you were to say, these are the kind of users we have, this amount of traffic we're getting every month.
	When we're doing lives, we're getting this many viewers.
	This is how many eyeballs.
	Here's what the top content creators are making.
	What are some numbers you can give us?
	Well, the biggest stream on Rumble every single weekday is Dan Bongino, and he's posting over 100,000 live every morning at 11 a.m.
	And there is nobody on stream charts that hits that number every day.
	Nobody.
	It's unlike anything I've ever seen.
	The growth on that channel alone has gone from 20 to 30,000 a year ago to a year later, doing, I think he was at 115, 120 this morning of live streamers, live viewers, I should say.
	And prior to him, you have Steven Crowder at the 10 o'clock hour, who is just right up there at the very close to 100,000 himself.
	So you got Crowder and then you got Bongino and then you have also Bannon that's running in the same week a lot of times in the United States, Rumble is one, two, and three between 10 and 12, which is pretty significant.
	And then obviously some of the other big shows that we have.
	This is sort of counterintuitive to what we just discussed because those are the biggest right wing talking guys in the world.
	So how does it fly in that data?
	That's what I'm saying.
	That's what we're trying to grapple.
	That's why people assume you say Bongino, you say Crowder, you say, what was the third name?
	Bannon?
	Steve Bannon?
	Hello?
	That's not exactly Democrat country right there.
	So it's a little weird how these numbers are shaking out, but that's the perception versus reality.
	But they're also not also like your typical Republican that you also see as well.
	So like they're not like, you know, you could see the stage.
	When at the debate, there's only one Vivek.
	Right.
	Everyone else was kind of saying the same thing to a large degree.
	Establishment versus disruptive force, right?
	Pretty much.
	What other data do you have?
	What other data you have with Rumble?
	That's big numbers to brag about.
	So we did 58 million active users, which the majority of them are happening in U.S. and Canada.
	I don't remember the U.S. and Canada number off the top of my head, but it's 58 million globally that are happening on the platform in the last recorder that we reported.
	And it's over 30 million in U.S. and Canada.
	And when you stack that up against other platforms out there, I think it was close to 40 million in U.S. and Canada, but don't quote me on that.
	The last time X reported their users in the United States, the MAUs, the number that we use, I think it was like in 2019 and it was around 68 million in the U.S.
	So like just YouTube itself is around 200 million.
	So when you put our number against those numbers, like obviously we're not as big globally, not even close.
	There's huge markets out there that we haven't really penetrated at all.
	But when it comes to the U.S. and Canada, we're very significant.
	So significant that I think we have the largest streams out there.
	When Kai and Speed go live on Rumble, there was one stream where they did well over 200,000 people live.
	On a regular, they're like 50 to 100,000.
	And don't Tates hold the record for like 450 or 400?
	What was the number they did?
	Yeah, I don't know if that was the, I would have to look to see what the record is.
	But yeah, Tates, when he came back, it was around 430,000 in one stream.
	That's not like just views.
	That's live watching.
	Correct.
	430,000 live lives.
	It's a very big difference.
	Can I ask you one follow-up on this?
	So we were talking about when we initially met Chris or did that sit down, that dinner.
	It was two years ago.
	He's like, oh, it was probably a year ago.
	Yeah, we just look right now.
	It was February of February 9th of 22 when you made the Rogan $100 million offer.
	Incredible, which was awesome.
	So I remember you were telling us your story about basically the humble beginnings of this and the business platform, but you didn't realize how far extreme some of these platforms are going to go.
	And then just left sort of a blue ocean strategy for you as a free speech advocacy, right?
	So there's a lot of entrepreneurs watching this.
	A lot of people are basically trying to make business out of this.
	You just were creating a business model.
	You didn't foresee yourself being involved in all this.
	How surreal is it?
	Just pinch yourself for the entrepreneurs that want to dream that now we're talking about YouTube, Rumble, Twitter, X, Meta.
	Like you're in this conversation, Rumble, where three years ago, people were like, Rumble, what does that mean?
	Like nobody knows.
	Like the come up of an entrepreneur must be really rewarding for you, Chris.
	Yeah, no, you know, I remember when I was pitching back in 2014, 2013, they laughed me out of the room, laughed at me.
	Like they were saying things that, you know, you can't even say on, you can't, you cannot say it on YouTube.
	Put on Rumble right now if you want to hear what they were saying.
	But like the VC market was cruel, like super cruel.
	But I went on.
	I drove ahead.
	Our politics, by the way, in 2013, even till today, like we don't have politics at Rumble.
	Like our politics were cats and dogs, if anything, when we started Rumble.
	But it was vicious trying to raise money and trying to get to where we were.
	And it is really, really rewarding to know that you've gotten here without their help.
	You kind of did it without all them.
	That's like super rewarding.
	When you say they were vicious, meaning they didn't like the idea they weren't willing to put money behind it.
	Oh, no, they were rewarding.
	Was there a part where there was like self-doubt that you were going to maybe fold up shop?
	The stuff they would say to you in the meeting, there's one particular meeting that stands out that was so cruel and so like just basically kicked me out.
	And, you know, it's just really rewarding to know that you won.
	Tell me who he is, Chris, and I'll kick his ass.
	Chris, what's the biggest difference why you guys are still around and growing doing deals and Parlor's not?
	Infrastructure.
	And this is a huge thing about Rumble that I think is so underappreciated of what we've done.
	So it's also like there's one negative to building your own infrastructure.
	You got to move a lot.
	You move a lot slower on everything else because like I can't just go to Amazon and take something and build the software on top.
	I got to build the thing that I would normally take from Amazon.
	And that's even harder than building the software, some would say, you know, like, so what we've done is we've built our own infrastructure from the ground up.
	We're in data centers across the country.
	We have, you know, over points of presence across the country.
	And we don't rely in any meaningful way on any of the big tech infrastructure companies.
	We've built it.
	We've built the Rumble Cloud.
	We're anticipating to release that Rumble Cloud in very short order and hopefully within this quarter to the public.
	And that was the one thing that Parlor didn't do is they didn't build their infrastructure.
	They rented the infrastructure.
	They took it from Amazon.
	They relied on Amazon and Amazon pulled the plug.
	And when I saw that happen, I said, that's never going to happen to us.
	Well, I remember hearing about AWS.
	Everyone knows Amazon.
	This isn't breaking news, but nobody really was too familiar with AWS.
	Andy Jazzy, I believe, that's now the CEO of Amazon.
	He was the guy running AWS.
	They selected him to be the CEO.
	But they started pulling some stuff.
	I think it was Rumble was the onset of this.
	They said, yeah, AWS canceled them, basically took it down.
	So you had the foresight to say, dude, we're not even messing with the AWS structure.
	Yeah, we never used AWS.
	We used bare metal and we rented things back then.
	But when this happened, we said we needed to own it.
	So now we own all our hardware.
	We're building our own network.
	And we have a lot of clients already using it now.
	So like it's in beta.
	You know, people that you might know, Tim Poole's whole business is on his websites on Rumble Cloud.
	Rumble itself is on Rumble Cloud.
	Locals is on Rumble Cloud.
	And hopefully we'll have Barstool up here.
	They're going to be using, our deal includes the cloud as well.
	And what was it, by the way, now that's four o'clock, you want to give everybody the update on what the patent, what the announcement's going to be?
	Yes.
	So we filed our first patent.
	So we're patent pending right now.
	And I think this is like going to be a massive game changer that's going to happen.
	We're actually going to be releasing the Rumble Studio to the public tomorrow.
	And one of the things that's really, really important about this patent and where I think Rumble Studio is going to change the game, something that YouTube does not have, something that nobody has is it's not going to be released tomorrow, but Rumble Studio itself will release.
	But a part of Rumble Studio will be the automatic bidding of live reads within the studio.
	So imagine this for a second.
	It sounds complicated, but it's actually pretty simple.
	Imagine you're Coca-Cola.
	Imagine, you know, you're the Patrick Bett David podcast and you're the creator.
	You're using Rumble Studio to stream to X.
	We will be supporting X, by the way.
	We'll be supporting YouTube.
	We'll be supporting Twitch and we'll be supporting other platforms through custom RTMP as well.
	But you're streaming to multiple platforms using the Rumble Studio.
	And then all of a sudden you get a notification that says, hey, Coca-Cola want or Coca-Cola wants to buy an endorsement or a sponsorship on your podcast and they're willing to pay X at that very given moment.
	That's what this is, that's where Rumble Studio is going to go.
	We want to build not only just a studio to live stream, but an ad platform that can help creators make money across any live streaming platform.
	And if you're Coca-Cola, imagine how awesome it is to be able to go into the Rumble Advertising Center and say, hey, I have a $10,000 budget.
	I want to advertise on these categories and I will pay $0.05 a live viewer.
	Not a view that can be manipulated or whatnot, but like a live viewer, an actual person watching, like you're paying for that live viewer.
	So all the incremental views you get after that, there's bonus to the advertiser.
	So they can put the parameter in, pick the channels they want to go on or pick on run on network and then pick a budget they want to do.
	And then the notification goes in real time to all the streamers using the studio.
	That's where I think we change the game for live streaming.
	Right now, the entire video market is propped up on programmatic advertising, pre-rolls, commercials that start at the beginning of your videos or midway through your videos.
	This will have talent endorsing product if the talent agrees to accept it for the offer that the advertiser.
	That's a big deal.
	Especially to be able to do it instant, real-time, guys doing a live stream and boom, yes, let's accept this.
	Read this.
	Boom, here's money that goes into the account.
	So it's more than just a super chat option that you're going to have.
	It's a big deal what you're putting together with Rumble.
	Yeah, and it's something that we're protecting because we think this is such a big idea.
	We obviously run live reads with a lot of our creators now.
	We know how successful it is.
	It converts and performs for advertisers far better than programmatic ads do.
	So we think we're on to something really big.
	And the beauty of it, it's not limited to just Rumble.
	We'll be making money with the creators across all platforms.
	I love it.
	And you know, one of the things I was saying during lunchtime is the following.
	When you're on YouTube, YouTubers are not necessarily going around and say, well, if I ask you right now what YouTube stands for, values and principles, you wouldn't be able to tell me what YouTube stands for.
	Think about it.
	If I ask you what YouTube stands for, you wouldn't be able to say it.
	If I ask you what Twitter stands for, you would be able to say it.
	Freedom of speech.
	There's certain values because you will think about what?
	You would think about the founder, right?
	What they stand.
	If I ask you right now what Google stands for, you wouldn't have an answer.
	If I ask you what Facebook stands for, maybe you would say collecting your data, right?
	Honestly, you would think about collecting your data.
	If I ask you what TikTok stands for, maybe you would say brainwashing your kids in America while keeping the kids in China smart, right?
	Maybe you would say that.
	And whether there's credibility in that or not, there's been proofs on some people I've looked at it where there is credibility in that taking place.
	But go ahead and talk to a guy that's a Rumble content creator.
	Look how they are.
	They'll wear the shirt, they'll wear the hat, and they'll say Rumble stands for freedom of speech.
	If I told you, we get 100 messages a week, oh, when are you guys joining Grumble?
	When are you guys doing this?
	I don't even understand why you're not.
	You're such a person like you.
	You have the money.
	Come down to Rumble.
	I get these messages all this.
	I mean, all I think about, all I think about is the people that are there respect and value what you built.
	And it's a beautiful thing to see that they respect the app that's been built and it's growing that's getting the attention of people like Dana White and Dave Portnoy and Dave Portno bringing all their apps over to you.
	But guys, if you're listening to this, Tom, you look like you want to say something.
	So before I go to the next story, I want to come to you.
	No, I was just going to compliment what you did because I think in ad tech, you're really crossing over a chasm here.
	There have been people, a lot of people have wanted to make, hey, we're going to make the, and I saw this business plan in 2013, to be exact.
	Hey, we're going to make the eBay for product insertion product placement.
	And the movie's product placement is always done by the big agencies, right?
	Paragon was a pioneer in that, you know, William Morris Endeavor, et cetera.
	No, no, we're going to let you do spontaneous episodical product placement.
	And it's like, wait a minute, and we're going to make the eBay of that.
	So there's a lot of people that had early ad tech things, but it really wasn't ad tech.
	It was just disintermediating the agents out of it.
	And it was wreaking havoc on the ad sales on the network because how can you do product placement for a Coca-Cola product?
	And then say, by the way, tell ad sales we can't sell Pepsi this week because we're doing spontaneous product placement.
	What you're bringing forward in this is sort of a spontaneous marketplace and an ad tech solution, which I think is pretty clever.
	So, you know, have awesome for that.
	Okay, so if you're listening, Rumble community, shout out to you guys.
	Congrats.
	This is a big day for everybody in the Rumble community.
	You ought to be celebrating all over the place on Twitter, whatever stories that's being posted.
	Share the stories that he's posting and let everybody else know screaming off the top of your lungs on the big day that you guys had today.
	That's the reflection of a founder that's constantly grown to grow the business.
	It's very, very hard to have some like that.
	But I think I even told you two years ago, you're the right guy to do a job like this.
	And you've grown.
	It's a multi-billion dollar company now.
	And for some of you that have been following the Manect caucus, right?
	The Manect caucus is the voting that started.
	Okay, Rob, do you have both of them?
	First, we'll start off with this and we'll go to the next one.
	Everyone wants to know who won.
	It was a very, very close race on who was going to get the $2,000 suit.
	Here's what the numbers look like as of right now.
	Vinny, when we started the contest, he only had 103 Manect.
	Adam was at 572.
	Tom was at 291.
	Today, Adam is at 855, only 145 away from a thou.
	I think Tom may get to a thousand.
	It's a race to see who's going to get to a thou first.
	Adam's at 283 on this campaign.
	Tom went from 291 to 779, catching up to Sauce.
	But Sauce is cool.
	Sauce is like, it's all good.
	488 is where Tom's at.
	And Vinny went from 103 to 658, 555 Minect.
	Vinny wins the flipping suit.
	And not only that, with all the Manex that he did last week, I think he got 400 reviews on your Manect account.
	I don't know how many five-star reviews you got.
	People love you on Manect.
	And that means we have to go buy Vinny a nice $2,000 suit.
	Congratulations, Vinny.
	Thank you.
	All the support out there that you came out.
	We had a record-breaking downloads of the app, record-breaking number of people booking Manex.
	Vinny, I think, how much did Manek pay you last week, just consulting and talking to people on the app?
	I want to say thank you to everybody that was out there.
	It was some were just like, beat Adam.
	Some was like, beat Tom.
	But then some were very serious.
	Some were.
	I'm listening to you talking.
	You're crying talking to somebody.
	I cried multiple times.
	I'm at 45.
	The testosterone is gone.
	I'll cry right now.
	But I'll wear my heart on my sleeve, whatever, the chest, whatever.
	Anyway, but what was that question?
	Manek, how much did the app pay you last week?
	Just part-time answering questions here and there.
	No joke.
	I got paid, well, one day, I got $5,600 in a day.
	In a day.
	Off of Manect.
	And you know me, I've never had that much money.
	So guess what?
	I went to the dollar store.
	I went in there and just looked at, let's go, bullet paper.
	You bought all the liver.
	You bought a bunch of proteins and stuff like that.
	I was trying to get Vinny to help Vinny go from a saver to an investor.
	Yeah.
	He's going.
	We're going.
	He has no choice.
	I was just saying.
	When Vinny came in, I gave him a whole hook.
	Well, I don't want to stay on this too long.
	All I want to say is, Vinny, congrats to you.
	Thank you.
	And gang, while you're watching this, there's a lot of different updates that's coming on as well.
	And Rob, if you want to pull up to the other one, if you like the Manect, Chris is officially on Manect.
	If you have any questions about building a company, technology, growing the business, founder and his family got there.
	You know, and he's a Canadian and an American from Toronto, lives in Florida.
	And there's a lot of different things that you can learn from someone like that as well.
	We had a conversation.
	He doesn't get political, doesn't get political.
	And I get it.
	But from looking at that photo, who's that little rascal behind him?
	Who is that one who's saying that?
	Who is that rascal?
	Who's saying he's getting political?
	It just so happens that man is sitting behind me.
	That's not getting political.
	There he is.
	He's just, you know, basic watching the UFC fight.
	What's wrong with that?
	I'm glad you noticed that, Vinny, because I'm like, dude, your picture is going to be a little bit more.
	He's a good looking guy.
	He's a good-looking guy.
	Show the mug, Chris.
	So, if you got any questions for anybody, by the way, Chris, Chris put your he put his Manect rate at 50 bucks.
	Are you kidding me?
	Like, just go ask the man a question on Manect, and I'm sure he's got a lot of value to bring to you guys.
	But a lot of people are joining Manek left and right.
	I'm going to start off by congratulating Vinny.
	Thank you.
	And on top of that, we have more contests coming up.
	This Friday, I have a merch drop I'm doing that has to do with the late Kobe Bryant.
	Stay tuned.
	I'm so excited about that one.
	But stay tuned till Friday.
	We'll make that announcement.
	Anyways, let's get right into it.
	Congratulations.
	Question for you.
	Chris, here's a question for you.
	Question for you.
	As a Canadian, okay, proud Canadian, right?
	And you live in Toronto, you're from Canada.
	And when I listen to you, I catch the Canada, you know, some of the stuff that you guys do.
	I had a friend of mine, I have a friend of mine, when I would go to his place, we would drink coconut together.
	However, what you guys pronounce your beer.
	How do you pronounce that Canadian beer?
	Tom's drinking it right now.
	Kokini, Kokani.
	Have you heard about this?
	Who's head?
	No, I'll find it.
	I'll find what it's called.
	Anyways, cocaine.
	So, yeah, it's more like cocaine is what it was, is what you're saying.
	Tom's into that vibe.
	But, Rob, can you pull off what just happened at the UFC fight this week?
	I don't want you to get offended or upset.
	You know, Tom, how do you guys feel that at the UFC fight, this is what fans, Canadians, were chanting?
	It is a little bit offensive, so just please bear for impact, Rob.
	Go ahead and play this clip.
	ahead.
	My English isn't that good, but I think.
	Was that French?
	What are you?
	Rob, what are they doing?
	I know they were doing a Let's Go Brandon of Canada right now.
	So, what Rob, Vinny, Adam, what were they saying?
	They were saying, fuck Trudeau.
	How do you feel about, you know, saying something like that about your prime minister?
	You know, it's interesting because I think you guys are a little softer up here, down here, I should say.
	And then up there, we're pretty vulgar.
	Does that happen?
	America is softer than Canada.
	Hold on.
	Really?
	Okay.
	Boy, let's go Brandon versus that.
	Well, they were saying, fuck Joe Biden.
	And then he's like, oh, let's go, Brandon.
	I think it was the newsroller.
	It was a right.
	It was a little.
	She's like, oh, how do you feel about the fact that everybody's chanting?
	Because the driver's name was Brandon.
	And he's all like, I don't think it's such a long time, Rob.
	It's worth playing the clip again.
	The original, you know.
	She's like, what are they?
	What are they saying?
	No, she thought they were saying, let's go, Brandon.
	The driver's like, that's a race.
	That's a NASCAR race.
	But go ahead.
	How do you feel about seeing UFC FI chanting like this, Chris?
	Well, you know, as I was saying earlier, I don't like to get too deep into the politics myself.
	So, you know, just listen to it.
	It was very interesting to see.
	Now, Trudeau, obviously, he's done a lot of things I don't agree with in Canada.
	A lot of the bills, Bill C-11 that he was trying to pass was, you know, the things that it was originally proposing was crazy in my eyes.
	So a lot of things I just don't agree with.
	Would it be fair to say that Justin Trudeau is the male version of AOC in Canada or like the actual stepson of a Bernie Sanders, maybe even a Fidel Castro kind of a thing?
	Weird.
	Where would you say for the people in America, you know, soft Americans over here, right, Chris?
	Where would you say that Justin Trudeau is most like on the political spectrum?
	Canadians are very left, but they're also, you know, I think the spectrum is quite wide in Canada.
	Like we did, you saw the Truckers protest.
	You saw the things Canadians would fight for.
	So I think there's like there's it's very diverse in the sense that it goes very left and right.
	Why are Canadians very left?
	Is it the weather because it's cold?
	You have three major parties.
	You have the NDP, you have the Liberals, and you have the Conservatives.
	The Liberals are supposed to be the center in the center.
	But what you see, but what you see happening is like the Conservatives actually, I think they had the popular vote.
	I think they got like close to 40% of the vote.
	Plus, you know, the PPC as well had another 5%.
	So almost half of Canada voted conservative, but the Liberals have power.
	And the way that the Liberals have power is they have to do deals with the far left in Canada, the NDP.
	So I think that's what pulls them in that direction.
	And that's why you see the way it is.
	And then also you have Justin Trudeau.
	What do you think about Pierre Poilivier, or however well you pronounce his last name?
	Does he have a shot at competing and being a PM or no?
	I think like there's, I can't see any way that the NDP or the Liberals win the next election.
	I just cannot see that happening.
	If that happens, I just would be shocked.
	I was shocked they actually won the last one.
	So well, how does someone like because and I'm being dead serious?
	Like over here in America, it's okay, he's safe.
	And then you got the MAGA.
	I have yet to meet one person, and I'm not from all the manectors, from people at parties, you know, every single person that I've met, Chris, from Canada is absolutely disgusted with what Trudeau is and what he's doing.
	And I keep asking him, like, why do you guys, why is he in?
	When's he going to get out?
	When's the next election?
	Why does everybody dislike this guy?
	Literally everybody.
	I think it's just a litany of different things that are embarrassing to Canadians.
	Like the just the pushback, you know, obviously in my world on freedom of expression in Canada is like a major concern.
	Like freedom of expression is in is Article 19 of the UN Human Rights Declaration of Human Rights Charter.
	Article 19, Freedom of Expression.
	It's like super important.
	It's super important for everybody.
	It's a human right.
	And like when you have a government that's pushing back against freedom of expression, that alone is going to is going to piss off a lot of people.
	That's just one thing.
	There's a whole litany of different things that he's done.
	But, you know, just on that topic alone, because that's really relevant to what I do, it's super embarrassing to see the stuff that they've done on not upholding freedom of expression.
	Like that's a basic human right that everyone needs to adhere to, period.
	There's should be no questions asked.
	If you lose freedom of expression, you lose your battle to fight for anything ever.
	That's how important it is.
	Yeah, we're on the same page with that.
	While we're at this UFC thing, Rob, can you play the clip with Dana White?
	Oh, you found our friend here.
	Why don't we just wrap this up?
	It's a very emotional moment from the past, and Americans will appreciate it.
	Thank you to all of our partners.
	Oh, my God.
	It's just such an unbelievable moment.
	Brandon, you also told me, as you can hear the chants from the crowd, let's go, Brandon.
	You tell me you're going to kind of hang back on the first two stages and just watch and learn what.
	Even he's confused.
	He's like, what is wrong with you?
	Miss South Carolina, if you remember that, she found a job.
	Rob, play this clip.
	So here it is.
	You know, this is following up with Strickland when he gets up there and tells this reporter when he's asking a question saying, hey, would you be okay if your son was gay?
	So you never want to be a grandfather.
	I don't have a problem with that.
	And he says, you know, just 10 years ago, when he asked him about Bud Light, he says, 10 years ago, being transgender was a mental disorder.
	What happened to you?
	What's wrong with you guys?
	Right.
	And then he asks the question.
	I believe it may be the same reporter.
	Maybe it's another person.
	Asks Dana this question.
	Go ahead and play the clip.
	I could tell from the phone.
	You obviously give a long leash to your fighters about what they should say when they are up there with a UFC microphone.
	Homophobia, transphobia, like is there...
	I don't give anybody a leash.
	Well, I'm saying you.
	A leash?
	Free speech.
	Control what people say.
	Kind of tell people what to believe.
	Kind of tell people.
	I don't fucking tell any other human being what to say, what to think, and there's no leashes on any of them.
	What is your question?
	I was asking that question.
	I'll move on, though.
	Yeah, probably a good idea.
	That's ridiculous to say I give somebody a leash.
	Free speech, brother.
	People can say whatever they want.
	They can believe whatever they want.
	What a beautiful position.
	How is this position controversial today, Vinny?
	Well, controversial because everybody's owned, like the NFL is owned by all these different people, but Goodell's in front of it because they're selling to America.
	The fans of the UFC love that type of attitude.
	They love this type of guy.
	Did you see what Sean Strickland was?
	He was in Canada in front of that, you know, the press conference.
	He showed love to Canada and they were going absolutely nuts for him.
	They love it.
	But Patrick, I was at the right there, Dana White.
	You were at the press conference.
	I was at the one with Strickland, yeah.
	They were going crazy from the kid ran up like.
	What did the guy look like?
	The reporter asking a question.
	Did he look like a regular guy?
	Everyone looked, yeah, right.
	No, no, but did he look like, did he have like a rainbow beanie on the street?
	Was he an ally like the city?
	I was at the press conference where the kid came onto the stage.
	I wasn't at the press conference on the prior day.
	Okay, I got you.
	But don't you want to work?
	Like, think about this, because while that's happening, while that's going on, Dana White's just standing there at the podium, not saying anything.
	That's a grown man.
	He has his own voice.
	Like, people are like, well, it's a bad reflection of UFC.
	Guess who the UFC is full of?
	Guys that are trying to kill each other.
	Like, it's all right.
	Let them go.
	But why even get into this topic?
	We're at a sporting event.
	Like, why are these reporters even going there?
	Yeah.
	They have nothing else.
	There's no relevance to Sean Strickland and asking these questions.
	Because all the other sports are going to wrap.
	Can you pull up what the NHL just announced they're doing?
	Have you seen what NHL is doing?
	No.
	Go NHL and hockey stick.
	What do you call it?
	When you put a tape around it?
	Type in NHL hockey stick LGBTQ.
	Okay.
	Type in NHL hockey stick LGBTQ.
	So is there a video you can show?
	I mean, if you go at this point, Twitter doesn't work that way.
	Okay.
	Yeah, look at that.
	So they're putting that wrap around.
	So then to the point where they have to sit there and talk about whether we keep this, we ban this.
	So every sport nowadays is trying to promote LGBTQ.
	So, you know, why, you know, to their eyes, the reporter's eyes, you know, Dana, how come, you know, you are allowing your guys to talk the way they do because it's reckless.
	You know, Sean Strickland shouldn't be talking like that.
	That's what the reporter is thinking about, right?
	Of course.
	So to the reporter's eyes, it's normal.
	They like to put a leash on people.
	The same people that are anti-slavery, they're pro-leashes.
	Tell me how that makes any sense.
	Explain that to me, Mr. Reporter, educated guy that probably went to Columbia University.
	How are you anti-slavery, but you're pro-leash?
	What's the big difference?
	It's the same exact thing.
	But you just want him to agree with you.
	And that's just not Dana's MO.
	Dana's not going to do that.
	He's a guy that's going to sit there and say, guys, you guys want to say what you want to say?
	There could be consequences behind it.
	Good luck.
	Go ahead.
	It's called freedom of speech.
	It comes with consequences.
	Exactly.
	You got to respect the guy like that.
	I love it.
	Speaking of sort of double standards, you brought up the United Nations.
	I'm not trying to throw you involved in anything geopolitical right now, but you brought up the 19th provision.
	What is it part of the Article 19 of the Declaration of Human Rights?
	Which is interesting because what I would respect about Rumble is that you're a free speech absolutist, right?
	You believe in free speech.
	Here's Article 19.
	Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression.
	This right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive, and impart information ideas through any medium regardless of frontiers.
	I think we can fully agree upon that in America, Canada.
	But when you look at the list of countries that are part of the United Nations, a vast majority of the countries of the United Nations, they don't allow freedom of expression.
	Whether it's Cuba, whether it's Afghanistan, whether it's freaking in Romania, I don't know.
	Our friend Tate is sitting in a jail cell or is on house arrest because he can't say what he wants to say on Rumble nonetheless.
	Oh, China.
	China, I don't know.
	They're part of the United Nations, no doubt.
	Iran, Russia.
	So, again, not getting involved in geopolitics, but we're talking about double standards here and people talking on both sides of their mouth.
	Yeah.
	I wish that they lived up to this.
	It's a human right.
	That's the part that like gets me when you really realize this is like a human right.
	You know, everyone talks about human rights.
	Well, free expression, like free speech is a human right.
	You need that.
	You need that for any society that's going to, you know, for any kind of society that's going to push back on anything.
	Like, how did we, how do the civil rights movements happen?
	How do all, how do women's rights movements happen?
	It all stems from free speech, the ability to express yourself and push back to try to make things better.
	Period.
	You can never get rid of that.
	You get rid of that.
	You get rid of all freedom.
	Like that's where it goes.
	And that's not acceptable.
	And you look at what happened in Harvard after everything with the DEI and all the congressional testimonies.
	Harvard, dead last.
	I don't know if you can pull this up, Rob, dead last in freedom of speech and freedom of expression of any university in the country.
	Harvard?
	Like, how is that even possible?
	So it's happening not only in Iran and in Russia, but it's also happening on Harvardstown out here.
	Harvard gets to the point of view.
	I got a question for you.
	I got a question for you.
	Say you have kids today, okay?
	And say your kid is, I'm actually curious to know what you're going to say.
	He's 17 years old.
	She's 17 years old.
	Smart like you, schooling, 4.3 GPL, let's just say, okay.
	SATs out of 1,600, they each get 1,450.
	Just pick and choose who you got.
	Would you support your kids going to a Harvard today?
	Well, I think if you can get into Harvard, you capitalize on that opportunity.
	But I would think that most kids, I've said this a million times, we talked about this with Candace Owens, most kids should not just go directly into college.
	I think there should be some sort of, whether it's mandatory or obligatory or freedom, most kids should have to do one year of community service.
	In your eyes, even in your eyes, as much as you're trashing them, if your kid was accepted to go to Harvard, you would say you should never say no to Harvard.
	So, Tom, I want to come to you or not.
	Not even necessarily Harvard.
	Any of those higher institutions of learning, you should consider attending.
	Even absolutely just learning.
	Let me ask you a question.
	Here's a question.
	And by the way, let me explain to you why this is so important.
	Tom, your daughter gets a 1560 on SATs out of 1,600.
	I don't know if you guys are at a point right now where you're announcing or you're comfortable talking about the school she got in or not.
	That's up to you.
	You tell me if you're comfortable or not.
	Okay.
	Because I think it's final, right?
	Okay, fantastic.
	So you didn't, and you guys, for five years, I've heard you talk, and you would say, Penn, Penn, Penn.
	She had a ticket to go to pretty much any school in America, 4.6 GPA, 4.56 GPA, 1560 on SATs out of 1,600.
	Golf, involved, smart, giving back.
	She's a leader amongst leaders.
	But you told me the other day you guys didn't even choose to apply for her to go to University of Pennsylvania, Wharton.
	When did you guys make the decision to say, nope, the name doesn't matter as much as it did five, 10 years ago?
	Well, anybody that follows the calendar, when you're the end of junior year, you have all your testing and everything comes down.
	Now you put all that together.
	And then the very beginning of senior year, the applications go in and ED, which doesn't mean that bad.
	Correct all dysfunction?
	No, no, it means early decision.
	Got it.
	And you'll get a decision back from the university by December 15th.
	If you say, if you accept me, I will enroll in your university.
	So that's an ED application.
	It gives you a higher chance of going in.
	So all those decisions are made on or around September 15th, October 1st.
	And you're clicking the mouse and putting it in there.
	And you're correct.
	We have been looking at Penn Wharton for a long time.
	Wharton undergrad also has a minor in entrepreneurship.
	But Tom, you didn't apply there.
	Why didn't you apply there?
	I'm just looking for that answer because I was alarmed.
	I was alarmed of what was happening.
	I'm sorry.
	I was taking a look at the page.
	You're giving me like a college planning for my kids.
	I'm just asking.
	I'm just looking up ED at this point in my life.
	I don't want that.
	As the excessive level, look, you knew college campuses were liberal, but as the excessive wave of wokeness was coming across, I was looking at it and I'm like, we're not doing that.
	You know, we're sorry, we're not doing that.
	And by the way, six weeks after we make the decision, in the middle of the ED window, what happens in front of the congressional hearing?
	It's like, well, there you go.
	And there's the president.
	Was that the decision you guys made?
	You have a choice, Tom.
	We have a choice, and we chose, we pulled back from Wharton.
	You pull back from Wharton.
	Interesting.
	And you put your kid, your daughter in.
	And she also had a selected major.
	She wanted to study sports analytics, STEM, and she wanted to study sport management, double major, and she picked the best college in the country for that.
	Can I say it or are you keeping it?
	Absolutely.
	Rice University.
	That's where she's going, which is exciting.
	She got accepted early decisions.
	Waiting on that answer.
	Brown Rice.
	You were in Aspen when the, was it the dean or who was it that spoke to her?
	The president?
	President that spoke to her?
	No, the dean.
	Yeah, the dean of the college.
	Yeah.
	You know, when was the last time a dean of a college spoke to me?
	Probably on a podcast.
	We had him on here as a guest.
	Here's the way he's talking to us because Tom, we don't do stuff like this, Tom.
	Look at me.
	We don't do stuff like this.
	Yeah.
	The task is.
	That's what I'm saying, Rob.
	You understand what I'm saying?
	I want to make it very clear because it's just a unique community that knows what that means.
	People like us, we think you're doing this as like a dance or maybe like different kind of gang signs you're throwing.
	Let me flip it on you, people.
	Here we go.
	Here we go.
	Well, I was just at our friend Keith's house for Thanksgiving, right?
	One of his nephews, he's awesome.
	He's still got the big calves.
	It's huge calves.
	Yeah.
	You know, he's flying on his private jet to Aspen, doing his things.
	Thanks, Keith.
	One of his nephews was there.
	Absolute stud.
	And Keith went to Cornell, major hospitality school.
	Do you know the hospitality industry?
	Binking community, yeah.
	Okay, exactly.
	That's a big in the hospitality.
	But he also got accepted University of Florida.
	The University of Florida is run by now Ben Sasse, who was a former senator, Nebraska, I believe.
	The point is this.
	He's actually deciding between not going to Cornell, which is number one for this particular field, and going to Florida, even though it's, you know, Ben Sasse has very kind of spoke out about this.
	But the point is, I think, where you're going is that people are now maybe not considering going to Penn and they're going to go to Rice.
	People are not considering not going to Cornell, and they're considering going to the University of Florida when you have kids.
	We all know that Dylan's going to get some sort of sports thing and Tico's going to be directing movies and Senna's going to be cheerlading and Brooklyn's going to be cholo dancing.
	You know what she's going to do?
	Lean like a cholo.
	That's my favorite song right now.
	How are you going to process what schools to send your kids to?
	And what advice do you have for the people out there?
	Because if your kid's getting to Harvard, you got to consider that, no?
	No, not for me.
	When I saw that day, I'm telling you, I said it to the face of the doctor that was here, you know, Josh, John Abramson.
	We had a very good conversation with him.
	And he is a guy that sits on the, you know, one of the boards in Harvard.
	I said, the day in Harvard, when I was at the OPM program, when I saw what they did when Hillary and Trump were campaigning, I was in Harvard that day.
	I was in the school for three weeks for an executive education program.
	And I saw 100% of professors at Harvard were rooting for Hillary.
	Not one was rooting for Trump.
	I realized that school doesn't believe in debate.
	No, they believe in get locked into one side of the community and that's it.
	They do not believe in debate.
	And that's when I'm like, now, my kids, they need to go to a place where it's at least 50-50.
	I want to be at a place where it's 50-50 where you can get both sides of the argument and you learn if you know how to debate and process issues.
	By then, we would make the decision.
	Now, Dylan doesn't want to go to college because Dylan wants to go play sports straight.
	He just wants to go straight and play.
	You know, he wants to go Manchester United.
	He wants to do it now.
	Obviously, he's 10 years old.
	Yesterday he was doing a baseball trial.
	We'll see what's going to happen with that.
	Dylan's saying that today.
	Tico wants to take a year off before he goes to college.
	I love him.
	He says, I want to work for doing certain things and then seeing if I even need to go to college, then I will.
	Smart.
	The kid is 11 years old.
	You know how much is going to change in the next seven years?
	He's got an uncle like Tom Ellsworth.
	You know, he's going to have these guys that are going to talk to him.
	But for us, yes, we are very protective of no debate.
	We believe in debate.
	I'm not going to send my kids to a place that there is zero debate taking place and it's all one-sided.
	That's not going to be beneficial for them.
	So, no, I wouldn't be doing it.
	I'm not turned on by Harvard, what they're doing.
	I think it's a shit show there.
	I think they've lost credibility.
	I think it's absolute insult to debate in any university that you consider yourself a university.
	Yet, you know, the debate is taking place and us students are sitting there watching.
	You're only clapping.
	300 people who are working there, they're only clapping for Hillary.
	Not one person was voting for, rooting for Trump.
	I don't need you to root for Trump, but I need you to be 50-50, 60-40 for us to.
	How do you change that at this point?
	You saw that they fired Claudian Gay, the president of the school.
	They've done the same thing with Penn.
	She's still a producer.
	You got Bill Ackman out there putting his money against it.
	Does it come down to basically the big donors and the endowment people being like, fuck you, I'm out.
	No, this isn't a Harvard changing.
	It's not a light switch.
	It's not a flip of a switch.
	It's not a vote.
	It's not anything like that.
	It is so ingrained and indoctrinated.
	I mean, you even see there's some well-intended efforts that are going on.
	You can go to penforward.com.
	There's a lot of professors that are out there putting their name on a position and say the pen needs to get back to the following things.
	You know, university neutrality, you know, fostering civil debate from both sides, tolerance, understanding that the price of free speech is free speech.
	That's the price of free speech, is free speech, is hearing something that you may not like.
	And there's laws against incenting riots and civil disobedience, but there is no law against free speech.
	But now there's all these mores and folkways and things that people are trying to enforce on it.
	But Tom, you're going to hurt people's feelings talking like that.
	That's the whole point.
	No, Tom.
	You can't hurt people's feelings.
	Liberalism is basically feelings.
	No.
	Chris, you got a family.
	How do you process this?
	So I was, I went to University of Toronto and I dropped out.
	Yes.
	So I'm not a huge advocate of the whole school system to begin with.
	I think it was like second or third year.
	I was building internet websites back in 2000, 2001, and I started making good money doing that and saw no need for the school.
	I was always against it too.
	Like I never really kind of liked that way of learning.
	I was always more of a self-teacher, kind of researching and doing things on my own.
	And the politics involved with it now has just gone to a point where I was annoyed at it back then.
	I can't even imagine right now.
	So not an advocate for it.
	I think the real world teaches you bigger lessons and more lessons, and you learn a lot more out there doing real things than going and sitting in front of a teacher that's going to tell you what to think.
	At this point of your life, is there anything Harvard can do to get you to go back to college?
	I think like seeing Harvard on your resume is like does not do anything.
	Yeah, I mean, look, it's interesting to say that because for the longest time, all we thought about was what Harvard.
	Right?
	Listen, we got a couple Harvard guys here.
	I was just going to say, we've got some trouble.
	Let's not go.
	He's got a bull ring in his nose.
	He has green hair and he's like, well, you're different.
	Whatever, dude.
	No, no, but the point is, but the point is, it's funny that today's leaders at Harvard have changed the reputation of what it maybe once was that I wouldn't know about.
	Because when I think about Harvard or some of these schools, you think debate.
	I judge a great school based on debate.
	If you don't have the ability to reason in a school as a professor, you're not a college.
	It's lip service.
	You just get this.
	Is why when we had the great Joe Jorgensen, legendary podcast.
	What you're laughing about.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	It was the bad.
	Joe Jorgensen.
	You had Joe Jorgensen on.
	I mean, you only ruined her entire career on that day.
	That's not called me ruining.
	Matter of fact, you know what?
	If you want to bring it up, Rob, go ahead and bring it up.
	This is what college will do to you sometimes.
	Pull up YouTube and go type in Jorgensen and type in Bed David.
	Have you ever seen this or no?
	I've seen it.
	Okay, I have to see it again now.
	It's the greatest.
	I don't know why you guys brought it up.
	Why would Chris bring this up?
	I mean, we've already brings it up right now.
	Not necessary, Chris, to do that.
	But go ahead and open this up.
	Go ahead and open this up, right?
	So there's Tony.
	Oh, okay.
	Okay.
	No, that's Manala Pen, by the way.
	You can tell from the house that's beautiful, Manalipen House.
	Okay, go back a little bit and watch the question being asked.
	This is what happens.
	Go all the way to the beginning and press play.
	And Rob, I give you permission to play this game.
	Yeah, go ahead and ask him.
	Who have you debated?
	Who's been your toughest debate ever?
	I mean, that's 10 seconds already.
	I didn't feel that any of my debates were tough.
	I've only, I, I'm, yeah.
	Who's the debate?
	That's our president right there.
	In 1996, I was in the third party debate when I debated the Green Party, Constitution Party, and those.
	In March before the nomination, I was also in a third-party debate where I sat next to the Green Party nominee and a few other people.
	And then, of course, the debates within the Libertarian Party.
	But when's the last time you had a really tough debate against a non-libertarian?
	When is the last time that you're talking about the city?
	It was pretty easy debating the Green Party candidate, that's for sure.
	So.
	Yeah, let me continue.
	When is the last time you had a debate with a non-libertarian or non-Green Party?
	When's the last time you had a debate with somebody that was non-libertarian, non-green?
	Well, an official debate, like I said, it would be in the nomination process.
	It's going to go like this for a few minutes.
	What were you going for with that right there?
	Just showing that she just doesn't debate.
	No, what I'm going with this is these liberal universities that don't have any debate, they're no longer universities.
	All they are is somebody's coming up to give a speech and they go home.
	That's it.
	And these professors don't get pushed because God forbid you push them.
	They go in an echo chamber and everybody agrees with everybody.
	Yesterday I'm on a Twitter ex, okay, in perfect transition into this.
	And this is minutes after Ron DeSantis steps down, suspends his campaign, and he endorses President Trump.
	Okay.
	So I get a message from Mario in the fall.
	Hey, would you be willing to do Twitter Space is live right now?
	I thought it was going to be 10, 15 minutes.
	An hour later, I'm still on having a conversation with these guys.
	Questions being asked.
	And everybody was pushing.
	What about this?
	And what about that?
	And what about it's the debate, discourse?
	It's risk because it's open.
	Anybody can ask any questions.
	And it was phenomenal because either I'm wrong or I'm right, but I'm going to give you my views and you make a decision for what you want to do.
	Can you play the clip of Ron DeSantis announcing that he is no longer going to be campaigning?
	And again, I'm not trying to be funny or disrespectful.
	I have not seen this man this happy in eight months, okay?
	And relieved.
	Go ahead and play this.
	Look how happy he looks.
	But I can't ask our supporters to volunteer their time and donate their resources if we don't have a clear path to victory.
	Accordingly, I am today suspending my campaign.
	I'm proud to have delivered on 100% of my promises, and I will not stop now.
	It's clear to me that a majority of Republican primary voters want to give Donald Trump another chance.
	They watch his presidency get stymied by relentless resistance, and they see Democrats using lawfare this day to attack him.
	Well, I've had disagreements with Donald Trump, such as on the coronavirus pandemic and his elevation of Anthony Fauci.
	Trump is superior to the current incumbent, Joe Biden.
	That is clear.
	I signed a pledge to support the Republican nominee, and I will honor that pledge.
	He has my endorsement because we can't go back to the old Republican guard.
	So we have a nice conversation.
	You know, I don't know if I agree with this.
	I don't know if I agree with that.
	This Tulsi thing, I don't like Trump.
	It was awesome.
	It was phenomenal.
	That's the beautiful thing about having people you can have a conversation that you can agree with.
	That is my number one reason why I don't support today's educational system.
	It's because there's no debate.
	Everybody has to.
	Everybody who sits together and sits there and they agree, and that's it.
	You know, we bring people here from the left, from the right.
	My favorite conversations sometimes are people I disagree with.
	Literally, my favorite conversations of all time are people I disagree with.
	I mean, look about it.
	He doesn't see the same as me.
	He doesn't like if you're just sitting there, everybody's kissing each other's butt and it's an echo chamber.
	How are we moving forward?
	Where nobody's bumping heads to figure it out because they're going to think the way that they're going to think.
	You're going to win their list.
	Let's go into this then.
	So thoughts on DeSantis stepping down, you know, and how he did it.
	And, you know, obviously a lot of people are saying, what could he have done differently and all this stuff?
	I'm not here to talk about that.
	We talked about that on the last podcast.
	Now that he stepped down, endorsing Trump, doing what he's doing, what do you think he's going to be doing next himself, Ron DeSantis?
	Do you think he'll be out there?
	Well, we'll see him before November, him and Trump on stage to get an actual like a endorsement endorsement.
	Are you saying this is the closest he's going to get to Trump?
	I kept my commitment.
	I signed the pledge.
	I'm doing this and this is it.
	That's a good question.
	Will he get on the stage with Trump?
	I think so.
	You think he will?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	You're pretty optimistic that that's going to happen.
	Yeah.
	Okay, go ahead.
	I was going to say one thing about DeSantis.
	You want to tell me you want to go first?
	I'll give me my thoughts real quick.
	I'm 75% that he'll get on stage because he's got to line up with it.
	He's got a lot of donors that are going to say, Ron, come on, come back.
	Ron, come on.
	Come back home and let's do this.
	And I think there's 75% chance that he would be on stage doing a thumbs up on a line there at the convention standing behind the candidate.
	I look at this two ways, short-term and long-term.
	Short-term, he made a decision to run to the right of Trump.
	You saw him when he'd go on that paperwork and he said, this is how we're going to get beaten.
	We can't beat him from the left.
	Nikki Haley, on the other hand, has made a decision to run in a more moderate corporate left of Trump.
	So, and we kind of busted her proverbial balls when we see, she said it's a two-man race at this point.
	That was after Iowa when she finished third.
	Reality is it is a two-man race because we said on the broadcast here Friday, I go, Ron's got three more days until he drops out, or it's going to be 30 more days.
	Turns out, boom, he dropped out in two days.
	Breaking news on Sunday morning.
	So, what do I mean by this?
	Nikki's still in it.
	I think she's going to be finished after New Hampshire.
	It's going to be abundantly clear that by South Carolina comes back, which is in mid to late February and the 20th, I believe.
	If she doesn't win her home state, she's done.
	She's finished.
	But she might take some of Ron DeSantis' vote.
	But what I think is good for DeSantis long term, in 2028, once Trump finishes his presidency, if he is that guy this time, he can position himself right neck and neck with Ramaswamy.
	Now, we all know that we like Ramaswamy a little bit better than Ron, but the numbers show a different thing.
	More people are willing to vote for Ron DeSantis at this point.
	But MAGA, the Republicans, the conservatives, the people who make up the base, they are officially done with Nikki.
	She's pandered the Democrats.
	She's pandered the Independence.
	We'll see how that works out in New Hampshire.
	But Nikki is done if it doesn't work out in 2024, which I don't think it will.
	But DeSantis has a chance in 2028.
	I think this reconfirmed my initial assessment, which was, especially with how happy he was, because at the beginning of this video, he was glowing with happiness because we fast-forwarded it, that his wife, I think his wife or somebody, pretty sure it was her, that was like, you can do it.
	You're going to run.
	Trump is going to get arrested.
	They're going to indict him.
	He's going to be in jail.
	And that was the honey in his ear.
	That's your past.
	I can't wait for Ron DeSantis to pull a Will Smith on you and say, keep my wife's name out of your mouth.
	Guess what?
	I swing back, though.
	But anyway, hold up, Pat.
	Look how happy that little dipper is.
	Look how happy he is.
	Look how happy.
	I would kick off those boots and just be like, listen.
	After you spend $100 million on other people's money and you don't owe a penny back, I'm so happy you said that too.
	If you think about this, we all knew everybody in this room, besides that witch hunt that they're doing, Trump was going to be the front runner.
	This polls, everything.
	This guy spent over $160 million.
	How much has Nikki spent?
	$100?
	Q4, she raised $24.
	I don't know how much.
	I heard 60-something to $100.
	That's $250 million of money.
	You already knew you weren't going to win.
	I think they could have spent that money a lot better to do a lot better for the state, your state, homelessness veterans.
	That's money down the drain.
	There's no way you thought you were going to beat this.
	Period.
	If you're shocked now, wait till the actual general election when they start spending hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of millions for a potential losing campaign.
	What are you going to say, Tom?
	You don't think that that's.
	No, because that's not the way politics works.
	You round up your donors and you take a shot.
	Heavy is a head that wears a crown.
	You take a shot.
	If you got together in the beginning, what would rational, let's just say rational thinkers that are purely logic said to Barack Obama, you're running against, wait a minute, you're running against Hillary Clinton?
	Are you seriously going to do this?
	Are you going to waste my money?
	No, that's not the way it works.
	They come together and said, I believe I have a chance.
	I believe I can take a message to the people.
	I'm going to go do it.
	How much do you think is them coming to the candidate versus the candidate going saying, I believe I have a chance?
	As soon as the candidate raises his hand, you have all those advisors.
	We've had people in this room that know that system very well, and they say there's a lot of high-end million-dollar advisors and strategists that come in because there is an industry there where people make their bones and make a living doing this.
	And I also think that the RNC and the DNC have shortlists, and people want to come forward and they want to run the primary.
	I think it's a little of both.
	You know, I think there's emissaries.
	Hey, what would you think about running for Senate after your governorship?
	We're going to have an open seat here.
	There's a lot of strategy that's on that.
	A huge amount of strategy is on the seat base because of the votes in the Senate and in the people's house, the House of Representatives.
	A huge amount of strategy.
	This is, Pat, you're coming up at the end of your governor's run here.
	You're going to have turn limits here in Oklahoma.
	Look, we have an open Senate seat.
	We need a strong player in that.
	What do you say?
	And that happens every day.
	But for the presidency, a lot of times people raise their hands and crowds of folks come to help them do that and come to them.
	What are you thinking, Chris?
	So, you know, I remember it was like a couple of years ago.
	There was like a lot of momentum for DeSantis.
	You probably all felt it.
	You heard it.
	And, you know, particularly you'd see it on Twitter, on X. You would really feel like there was this momentum.
	But like owning Rumble and seeing all the creators on Rumble, there was the one thing that was like super consistent on Rumble all the way through for 2020 till now is that there was just an immense amount of momentum for Trump and it never ever stopped.
	Never.
	You'd go to Twitter and you'd kind of see a different perspective.
	But on Rumble, and I think this is kind of one of the things people underappreciate about Rumble is the influence that it has with the creators that are on there.
	That never changed.
	Now, like, obviously there's a lot of creators on Rumble that were for DeSantis.
	There's a lot of creators that were for Trump on Rumble.
	It was a very diverse crowd, but the numbers, the large numbers were watching the Trump stuff and it never wavered.
	It's something that I found very unique.
	I remember telling people that there's, you know, I don't think based on what I can see on Rumble, there's nothing slowing down on the Trump side ever.
	And I think that was like a very unique perspective because if you go on X, you would have seen something else.
	If you read the newspapers, you would see something else.
	But there was a movement there that's never gone away.
	Not even close.
	Can I ask you a quick question on that?
	You see numbers.
	There's a lot of people that are out there that said the moment that the indictments came down, that there was a spike for Trump because there was a core of the Republican voter bloc that was incensed.
	I'm sure you've heard those stories too.
	Yeah, did you see it in the viewership stats?
	Okay, so you're obviously going to get viewership on events, but like, you know, Truth, Truth Social uses Rumble's cloud as well.
	They use our Rumble ads as well.
	And, you know, the users never left.
	Whether you'd see a spike because of an event, it didn't move the dial in the overall scheme of things.
	Like they never, they never left.
	And they've always been there since day one.
	I mean, look, let's talk the VP side.
	Okay.
	So yesterday while we're doing a conversation, you know, guys were asking who do you think could be the VP?
	And the conversation came about Vivek versus, what do you call it, Tulsi Gabbard, and, you know, who would be the better match and who would be a better opportunity for this, et cetera.
	And I thought Tulsi would, you know, I gave my thoughts on Tulsi versus Vivek.
	And then all of a sudden, Sebastian Gorka jumps on and says, you know, the vice president's already been chosen.
	And we already know who it is.
	It's not who you guys are saying.
	It's not going to be Tulsa.
	And he didn't have nice things to say about Tulsi.
	And, you know, Trump announced that it's not going to be Vivek as VP.
	There's a story in here.
	Vivek out of Trump's VP's shortlist, right?
	Vivek Ramaswani out of Trump's shortlist, meaning it could be on the shortlist, meaning he is on the list.
	Forgive me.
	I didn't say he's not on it.
	But then Sebastian said, it's somebody that's been campaigning.
	This person's from New York.
	Tom, you remember the list?
	This person's from New York.
	They're a politician.
	Great American, a patriot, ex, a ex-politician for the moment.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	And a great New Yorker.
	Right.
	Great New Yorker.
	Sebastian Gorka went down a list.
	This is not interpreting.
	This is what he was saying emphatically.
	And this guy says, well, you know, what about someone like Tulsi?
	I said, he, and he was very clear.
	Right.
	He was very clear about that.
	And a MAGA supporter.
	And then I posted immediately afterwards, seeing Lee Zeldon, if you want to go to Twitter, Rob, Lee Zeldon campaigning with Trump, I posted that video and I said, could Lee Zeldon be Trump's VP choice from New York?
	So happy.
	Been campaigning, formidable, very smart.
	And guess who retweets it?
	Sebastian Gorka retweets it.
	Right after the Twitter space with over half a million people that were on the Twitter space that listened the entire time we were on.
	If you go a little lower, look who comments right at the top.
	The answer.
	No.
	Roger.
	So, you know, when you look at this, there's a couple of things that come to my mind.
	Here's what it is.
	Who has more influence on the inside?
	Who is closer to the president?
	Is it Sebastian?
	Is it Roger?
	Is it somebody else?
	Or is it misdirection for everybody in the world?
	For instance, when I would announce a speaker for the event, I would never tell anybody on the inside who the speaker was because most people cannot keep a speaker to an event.
	So one time I'm like, guys, this next person we're going to announce to this event, you guys are going to lose it.
	It's going to be amazing.
	This place is going to go nuts when you guys hear it and da-da-da-da.
	And one guy says, Pat, I think I know who it is because I know who would lose it.
	You had James Worthy, you had Magic.
	I think it's Kobe.
	So at this point, I'm like, look, listen, Kobe, you know, obviously this is the late Kobe Bryan.
	I said, Kobe would never do an event.
	Okay.
	And if Kobe did, you know his schedule, how busy he is, how many different places he has to be.
	So that's a misdirection for the audience to be like, oh, it's for sure not Kobe.
	And then you automatically put that person out of the list.
	And then three months later, you say, and our keynote speaker is Kobe Bryan.
	So could it be the fact that everybody is trying to miss, I love the look on your face right now.
	We played poker.
	It was a very interesting look.
	Could it be the fact that there's a lot of, you know, some people know, but they have to act like they don't know.
	Some people don't know, but they have to act like they know to be part of the cool crowd.
	No one knows who knows and who doesn't know.
	And no one knows who's trying to get coupons.
	And no one knows who's acting dumb.
	Yeah.
	So how do you decipher between all this BS and the reality of it?
	It's just you have to, you know, play the odds and see if you're playing poker.
	Does a guy have 210?
	Does he have a pocket aces?
	Is he running for flush?
	What is he doing?
	No one knows.
	But what do you think about the chances of Lee Zeldon as a VP candidate for Trump?
	Well, I don't know Lee that well.
	And, you know, this isn't my forte of all of these guys, Chris.
	All these guys know who you are.
	I mean, you're, we have a top 50 list of power players we made this year.
	Not only were you on that list, but also Rumble was on that list.
	And Dan Bongino was on that list, I believe.
	So someone, we put three of you on.
	I think it's two or three of you guys that was on that list.
	Do you think there's any chance of Zeldon being the VP?
	I think there could be a chance.
	I think that I'm not sure who it is.
	And, you know, I think there's a lot of good people out there that could be that pick.
	But anybody you like?
	Who do you like?
	Who do I like?
	You know, I've been asked that question a few times.
	It's like, it's that's a tough one.
	Like, I don't know.
	Like, you got to really know the person to want to get behind someone.
	I don't really know.
	Like, for example, I don't know Lee Zeldon.
	I don't know a lot of these people.
	So like, you think Dave Rubin would make a good VP?
	Like, is that tough?
	Because you know Dave, right?
	Would you say Dave?
	Would you say Viva Frey?
	Would you say you know, who else would it be?
	People that you know?
	I don't think I'm a good person to make that choice or to even, you know, have a good opinion on it.
	It's uh, heck, I'm a Canadian.
	I can't even vote in the election.
	So yeah, but you can, you can, you can, uh, uh, you can give thoughts that you may have.
	Tom, what do you think about Lee Zeldon?
	Do you think do you okay?
	Maybe let me ask the question in this way.
	Okay.
	And this one's going to be an interesting question to ask.
	So let's not start a fight, but it's probably going to start a fight.
	Okay.
	You have multiple choice, okay, to answer the question.
	It's a quiz your take.
	It's not a big deal, but it's a multiple choice.
	Adam, I want you to think about this one as well.
	What are the chances of who the VP will be?
	Okay.
	Sebastian Gorka knows better on who the VP is.
	Roger Stone knows on who the VP is.
	They're both on the same team and they're trying to confuse everybody.
	And last but not least, nobody knows.
	Multiple choice.
	A, B, C, or D. Gorka, Stone, both of them know.
	No one knows.
	Last one.
	No one knows.
	No one knows.
	I agree with D, right?
	Yeah.
	So where are you at?
	On D.
	It's really tough because we know Roger and we know Gorka.
	He just gave a very good speech at Oxford, by the way.
	Powerful speech.
	Yeah.
	So which one do you think it is?
	A, B, C, or D. Gorka, Stone.
	They both know.
	Nobody knows.
	Don't let Chris and Adam change your.
	I think they both know and they're not seeing about it.
	And by the way, they're both big-time political operatives.
	So if there was going to be a misdirection and they were going to disagree with each other publicly, I think that would be a pretty good misdirection.
	But I'll tell you, I think Sebastian Gorker would be really going out over his skis if he's going out in public and laying out those.
	I mean, he basically said Lee Zeldon without saying Lee Zeldon.
	He gave so many specific facts.
	But was he told me told to say that?
	Because we talked about this how many times to get the female vote that we were talking about in all those places.
	Only makes sense if he goes for just an average white guy.
	The left is which who gives a shit at this point, but they're going to lose their white guy.
	So you're saying Mike Pence is an above-average black guy?
	Yeah.
	Well, the fly in his head was black.
	Well, if we're going to be on the bottom of the city, look, we're assuming that it's Lee Zeldon.
	It could be Rudy Giuliani, guys.
	You said a former great New Yorker.
	It's clear it's not Giuliani.
	It's not.
	Anyway, I don't think.
	And by the way, he also said it's not Stefanic because somebody else.
	He said a guy, a man.
	But he also said former.
	She's current.
	She's a congresswoman.
	But if you look at traditional politics, it makes zero sense to take a guy out of New York.
	The reason that he ran with Pence was to get the white Christian evangelical vote out of Indiana and the Midwest because that was a state that was that that environment is looking to win.
	New York is voting blue regardless.
	Getting someone like Lee Zeldon on the ticket that has zero name recognition other than the people in New York makes actually virtually no sense.
	It's not going to basically get the bays fired up.
	If Trump could run, he would run with Trump and Trump as the VP if he has a name.
	Like that's how, like, putting his names on buildings, on casinos, just Trump Trump 2024.
	We all know that.
	But I think the bigger picture here is whoever he chooses is going to have an automatic path to the White House for the next eight years.
	So when I talk about, when we talk about like, he talks about, I need loyalty, Ron de Sagdimonius, not loyal.
	He's going to have to have someone that is undoubtedly loyal to the Trump brand and that is not going to pull on the last day of the 2028 Mike Pence and be like, oh, well, I was just kidding.
	I'm actually not on Team Trump.
	So I think he's got a very tough one.
	So where are you going with this?
	Do you have a tour of the I don't think it's Lee Zeldon?
	I don't think that it makes any sense for it to Lee Zeldon.
	I think that Vivek Ramaswamy is who the people want.
	Give them what they want.
	Or I also think you get a pretty person like Chrissy Noam in the mix that could give her, that can give some.
	I heard some.
	There's no way Christy Noam is going to.
	I was at Trump International.
	Not to chew my own horn, Tom, but to you spoke with the Bellman at Trump International.
	I spoke with everybody.
	No, not at all.
	There's some secrets, but I mean, I talked to a lot of people there.
	I don't know.
	I don't see it being Lee Zeldin, but I do think that Sebastian and Marto are a little loop-de-loop.
	Real talk.
	Have you ever heard of Lee Zeldon's name before?
	No, I've seen his face in Congress, but never.
	Blah, blah.
	He looks way too giddy.
	Well, he ran for governor against Kathy Holcomb.
	He did all right in New York, right?
	But he's the guy that lost, right?
	So since our friend Chris here is not going to say anything about politics, let's just do other topics.
	Let's do something.
	Because it's either yes or no, or I don't know anything.
	Well, I answered D.
	I said D. I'm going to do that.
	I agree.
	And I agree with you.
	Let's go to the next one.
	Here we go.
	With a big sigh.
	A pay-per-view Super Bowl.
	It may happen sooner than you think.
	Former ESPN president John Skipper suggested the idea of making the Super Bowl a pay-per-view event stating if half the households are willing to pay $20 to have a party at their house, it will still get you into the billions of dollars for a single game.
	The NFL's experiment with pay-to-watch playoff football on Peacock resulted in over 23 million viewers becoming the most viewed watch live streaming event in U.S. history and accounting for 30% of internet traffic that night.
	That is insane.
	Wow.
	Charging $99 per pay-per-view per viewer for the Super Bowl could potentially generate $6 billion in revenue for the NFL, which is comparable to or even exceeds the annual revenue of other major sports like NHL and Major League Baseball.
	Okay, Tom, do you think there's an argument here that the NFL may be doing a Super Bowl pay-per-view in the next three to five years?
	Not three years because I think the contracts are out there.
	However, I think Skipper, Skipper knows what he's talking about.
	I've not met John.
	I knew other people at ESPN because I built NFL Mobile back in 2007, eight, and nine.
	And I would say in the next five years, is there a chance that in five years it could be pay-per-view?
	I think that's very possible.
	We've talked at length what's happening to cable viewership.
	We talked what's happening to traditional TV.
	We see what's happening with events that are going on alternative platforms.
	We see that Peacock put a single NFL playoff game out there, basically causing it to be pay-per-view because everybody bought Peacock for a day.
	I did, and then canceled it.
	Yes, I did.
	And so now I'm on their list.
	So I think that those kind of things are tests.
	That became a test for NBC.
	Hey, you know what?
	We put one NFL game out here.
	We got 10 bucks for how many people for a divisional walk for a wildcard game.
	I think in the next will happen in five years now.
	Will we see an announcement within five years of that happening?
	I think absolutely.
	Do you think it's going to happen?
	Do you think it's going to happen?
	So the number I saw was 23 million watched, right?
	Right.
	The number one question here is how many signed up for that event?
	How many mean how many stayed on?
	Well, first, how many new customers did they get?
	Rob, can you see if that says that out there?
	Yeah, I don't know if they have reported that.
	Because that's going to inherit all the previous customers they already had.
	And the question is, how many people with their cable packages already had access to Peacock to begin with?
	So in order to properly look at it, I think.
	Okay, so check this out.
	The game averaged 23 million viewers, according to Nielsen.
	Not bad for a streaming service with only 30 million subscribers.
	So they only have 30 million.
	So what's their net new?
	So their net new, let's say, maybe half that, possibly.
	That's still a big number.
	Oh, no, it's a very big number.
	And they're paying what?
	I think it can go up to 10.
	110 million, they say.
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	It can go all the way up to.
	Let's look up Peacock membership price.
	What is Peacock's membership price for?
	I think they have a couple tiers, one with ads and one without ads.
	Okay.
	And how brilliant is it too, Chris?
	It's the Chiefs.
	It's Taylor Swift.
	It's what's his name?
	And those fans were definitely downloading or getting it just to watch her on the field.
	Yeah, you're going to get a whole new customer base because of this.
	So it's a very interesting test.
	But here's what's going on.
	The war for live sports has begun.
	NFL on YouTube, like, what did they commit?
	$12 billion over a certain amount of years.
	Even Rumble, for example, we went and bid on Slap.
	We went and bid and got Nitro Rally Cross and Street League skateboarding.
	The war for live sports is finally here.
	And it's now, you know, it's becoming a war against cable television, all these streaming platforms.
	Don't be surprised to see Netflix jumping into this.
	Would you pay $110 million for an NFL game on Rumble?
	Would that be a worthy number for you?
	We would have to metric it out.
	And this is how we would do it, just the way we're looking is like, how many net new can you get?
	And what does that look like?
	If they got 23 million new subs and they're paying an average of $100, no, that would be the case.
	That's worth it.
	Or maybe if you do 23 million, let's just say they got 25% new, let's say $6 million, you're paying $6 on average.
	That's $36 million.
	But if half of them stay on for six months, you're risking a little bit.
	But long term, it has to be either a minimum break-even or a number of users that don't cancel and they keep it.
	Well, let's put Crowder in perspective.
	Steven Crowder's on Rumble and he drove $7.5 million in subscription revenue in his first five months.
	That's publicly available.
	That's just one show.
	What he does is he does an hour live on Rumble, and then he takes the final half hour live on locals.
	The NFL can drive certainly way more numbers than that.
	And I think it's very possible, like with this model.
	The thing is, when you have too many people buying too many different things, it becomes so fragmented.
	You really get a lot more difficult.
	But for the NFL, that's a real draw.
	That's a real pull.
	You know, what's interesting is the NFL, excuse me, YouTube didn't just buy the NFL.
	They bought what was left of Sunday ticket.
	And now it's Sunday ticket on YouTube TV.
	And you have to remember what happened.
	Sunday Ticket.
	Rob, run a poll.
	I don't want to interrupt.
	Rob, run a poll.
	Would you pay $99 to watch Super Bowl on pay-per-view?
	I already did.
	What's the number right now?
	Right now, 93% said no.
	I don't know if I believe it.
	I don't know.
	But by the way, you know, out of the 93%, the question would be how many of you guys would go to a friend's house who did order it.
	I mean, that's the legally.
	So the case study that people look to is how DirecTV was made by NFL Sunday Ticket.
	That was the only place you could get it.
	$269 a year.
	I remember this by heart.
	And you got everything.
	And then the NFL did its own channel.
	And then the NFL did Thursday night.
	And then the NFL did Sunday night on National Broadcast NBC.
	And what happened is there was a dilutive effect on Sunday Ticket.
	And at the same time, there was a cable and satellite roll-off because infrastructure providers.
	And so DirecTV started sagging and said, sorry, I'm out.
	I can't renew this.
	And now you're seeing the fragmentation of it.
	And the MLB did it last year.
	They pulled, you're paying for MLB.
	I pay for the full MLB TV package.
	And all of a sudden, there's games that have been pulled out, premiere matchups during the week that are now on Sunday night on ESPN or in a regional where you couldn't get it.
	And you're like, wait a minute, what just happened here?
	And so Chris is right.
	The war has just started.
	And guess what?
	The players in the war do not care that, well, people probably will be upset because they already are buying three or four services.
	No, they don't care.
	That's not their concern.
	Their concern is monetizing the live sports event.
	Live sports has advertising that pencils out because you don't, you don't, we used to say TiVo or DVR, but you don't fast forward through ads on live sports.
	You're watching live sports.
	You watch the ads.
	So the advertising take and the advertising yield on live sports is perfect.
	And so I, and they don't, they're interested in monetizing, and I think you're going to see it.
	And I think you're already starting to see little islands in the stream form as that, what do they say?
	Finding little rocks in the stream that they're going to be stepping on to walk all the way across the river.
	Well, I agree with Chris.
	I think the war for live sports is completely on.
	And then at the forefront of the entire war is the NFL.
	I think at this point, we're completely comfortable with calling the NFL complete greedy corporate capitalists.
	And I don't mean that as a mad way, in a bad way.
	I think they're just trying to make that money.
	We saw them increase the NFL season from 16 games to 17 games, 17 games a season.
	How much money does that make more for the league?
	We're starting to see these games pop up on Amazon or on Peacock.
	Like they're going to go after the money and they'll probably make a move towards this Super Bowl thing or whatever.
	They don't mind convincing people to start spending more money.
	What I do think that they should be very weary of is getting back into the social justice movement, which worked very not well for them during the Colin Copper Colin Kaepernick days.
	So what we're starting to see now is you see at all the NFL games is end racism.
	Cool.
	All right.
	I agree.
	But now you hear from the Super Bowl this upcoming year, which is in, what, two, three weeks away?
	Now they're going to have the black national anthem sung before the national anthem.
	So that just starts a whole slippery slope.
	Like, don't abandon your base, which are just Americans, you know, because the natural argument would be, all right, so you got the black national anthem, then, you know, what?
	You're going to have the Mexican national anthem after that, and you're going to have the Muslim national anthem.
	It's like, there should be one anthem in the United States.
	And I think that when, you know, the Whitney Houston, the Whitney Houston moment in 1991, best Super Bowl song.
	Best Super Bowl ever.
	She sang F-16.
	F-16, like one national anthem.
	She's saying the Star-Spangled Banner.
	It was the most intense.
	People are crying.
	We're at war in the desert storm.
	Like, that's what America is.
	So to see the NFL, we all know that they're going to go take the money.
	It's all good.
	But to go the woke route and have to do that, the black national anthem, just one national anthem.
	Why do you have a problem with that?
	Why do you have a problem with them playing the black now?
	Because some people may say, what's wrong with them playing a black national anthem before the national?
	This has nothing to do with black, yellow, green, purple, anything.
	It has to do with America.
	I don't know what the black national anthem is.
	I don't want to know what it is.
	I don't want to know what the Catholic national anthem is.
	I don't know what the Asian national anthem is.
	I don't need the Jewish.
	I don't need the Muslim.
	Nothing.
	I need one anthem.
	It's the anthem of our country.
	American national anthem.
	Star-spangled banner.
	Period.
	End of story.
	Stop with all the kneeling and all that kind of stuff.
	Nobody wants it.
	I agree in the fact that, I mean, he's right.
	It's like, one more thing to make people separated, make people talk crap.
	When you write something like end racism, do you understand how much of an unachievable goal that that's such a stupid end race?
	That's impossible.
	You can't go like go to Miss Zippa and you think you're not going to like cure racism.
	You're not going to do it.
	It's making people, you know what you should say?
	It should say, stop talking about racism.
	Leave it.
	Let's just move on, bro.
	If you keep shoving it in people's faces, that's going to piss people off and make them more angry.
	What's the argument for not playing the black national anthem?
	Adam gave his.
	Do you have a different one?
	No, I have nothing different.
	It's a country.
	This is our country.
	The country has a national anthem.
	Thank you very much.
	There are no other countries that are represented here today.
	We all come from somewhere and we become American citizens in the American experiment.
	The national anthem is of the country.
	That's what we're singing here today.
	Thank you very much.
	It's in Canada.
	Did they do anything other than the Canadian national anthem?
	Did they do like the first people?
	Hockey will do hockey.
	He'll do both at certain times.
	Yeah, it'll be best in Canadian and typically in hockey games.
	No, I'm not talking about singing.
	Like sometimes in basketball or in Canada or in hockey, they'll play the Canadian national anthem, but it's one song, right?
	It's a Canadian national anthem that we'll do in the United States national anthem.
	But in Canada, do they ever play Trudeau went as far as taking the word, I think, sun or something out of their national anthem?
	People or them.
	Yeah, they or I don't know.
	It's so crazy.
	But like, you know, you live in the country of the sport.
	You play that country's anthem.
	I'm a huge advocate of just like, you know, we're building a video platform.
	This is a video business.
	Nothing else should get involved in that.
	If you want to do something that you want to advocate for, go do it on your personal time.
	And there's nothing wrong with that.
	All right.
	So this transitions me into the, I'm not transitioning to folks.
	You're not going to try to clarify.
	Nikki Haley claims she was a victim of racism, teased every day for being brown.
	That's got to be tough.
	So let's kind of go through this.
	Where did the brown go?
	She's white.
	She looks really white.
	Vinny, you got to respect the story.
	Just please like a little bit of compassionate for people's challenges in their life.
	So let me read this.
	Hang tight for me.
	All right, here we go.
	Republican presidential candidate, Nikki Haley, claimed she was a victim of racism in her early childhood during a recent interview.
	Haley was born in the U.S. to two Sikh parents from India.
	Thus, Haley claimed while speaking with NBC Sunday, caused her to have a difficult upbringing while growing up in South Carolina.
	We were only Indian, we were the only Indian family in our small southern town.
	The Republican said I was teased every day for being brown.
	So anyone that wants to question it can go back and look at what I've said on how hard it is to grow up in the deep south as a brown girl.
	During the interview, Haley also noted her hesitancy to name slavery as a cause of the Civil War while on the campaign trail.
	The response she said was due to her believing such information as automatic.
	If I didn't mention slavery on that day, it's because that's an automatic.
	She said, the Civil War has always been known about slavery.
	So watch this.
	Nikki, this is why I have a problem with your approach and why so many people we talk to in the street, regular people, not only does like you, I'm just talking regular people who will look at you and the way you're packaging your candidacy versus Vivek.
	Okay.
	Vivek never uses color as a feel sorry for me.
	Never.
	You use it to get sympathy.
	Okay.
	Vivek, the people who are voting for, he's also Indian.
	Okay.
	He's not sitting there saying, I was teased for being brown.
	Okay.
	There is no feeling you get from Vivek for being a victim.
	I post a video the other day.
	And by the way, we did this video while I was in Palm Beach.
	If I look, if I show, I want you to see this here, Adam, because most people think I made this video because of Vivek.
	It just kind of timed perfectly.
	I'm going to show you when I posted this video, Adam, and I want you to tell me the date.
	Okay.
	When is the date for this video?
	Okay.
	Boom, Here's the date.
	What's the date?
	January what?
	That says January 15th at 4:57 p.m.
	Can you pull out when the Babylon Bee story came up about Vivek and 7-Eleven?
	Okay.
	And it's just so accidental that the timing of it was perfect.
	What's the date?
	Is it that one?
	Go to Babylon Bee website.
	Okay, what's the date on that?
	16th.
	That's the next day.
	The Mexic State.
	So they were inspired by you.
	So I get this video and I put it on Twitter not thinking anybody about anything about it, but watch what Vivek does.
	Paul, go to Vivek's Twitter account.
	Vivek says, thank you for coming and don't forget to grab a Slurpee.
	He's got a sense of it.
	One side, if I would have done this with Nikki Haley, she says, this is why racism exists.
	What does Vivek say?
	Please grab a Slurpee on the way up.
	Nikki, America loves Vivek for this reason.
	And America is sick of the bullshit that you're doing to say, here, feel sorry for me because I was brown as a kid.
	Cry me a flipping river for taking that approach.
	America's fed up with these types of comments.
	Okay.
	You made it to the top.
	Instead, the message could be: look, you know, everybody has their own set of challenges of coming to the top.
	We all have ours.
	You've had yours.
	But look, what racism?
	Look at me now.
	We've had a black president.
	We've had all these people that are winning at the highest level.
	Why are we making this a big deal today?
	Rather, you use it as a method of trying to divide and need some sympathy votes or people to feel sorry for.
	Again, it's not attractive.
	From a leader standpoint, it's not attractive.
	And by the way, somebody said something yesterday.
	It was so interesting.
	They said, Tulsi Gabbard is everything Nikki Haley wished she could have been.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	Wished she could have been.
	And she's not.
	Versus Nikki Haley is closer to Hillary Clinton than a Tulsi Gabbard.
	No doubt.
	People want somebody that's real that's talking to you.
	She does not give me that.
	And the more she talks, the more feeling I get that her and Hillary are related.
	And by the way, could you go back to that video?
	You know, my grandmother once told me before she passed away?
	Never trust anybody that has leather shoulder pads.
	Look at what the hell, whoever picked up.
	That's what my grandma told you.
	My grandmother said, never trust me.
	That's wise, by the way.
	Look at what the collar.
	Never question Assyrian wisdom.
	Thank you.
	That's right, Sarah.
	By the way, you got to give credit to Vivek Grandma's mommy because he never uses the raised cards.
	Never uses as an excuse his, his whole argument is against wokeness and and Dei and Esg, so it's antithetical uh, to what he stands for.
	What he you know, tweeting about the Slurpee that people thought that he was going to be upset.
	He leaned into the joke.
	That's amazing.
	You saw that.
	What he did the other day, you know, Ups did a big tweet and he retweeted.
	What could brown do for you?
	Like Vivek, don't play when it comes to jokes and race.
	He enjoys it.
	It's, it's just on the attractive, it's just not nothing about.
	By the way, it's like the whole Josie Smoyer.
	You want attention?
	Juicy Smolly Smoille yeah, my bad, but it's like she knows she's drowning.
	So what?
	What's the?
	What card do you play if you racist?
	Feel uh, feel bad for me, as if that's gonna get you votes.
	She's dead in the water.
	Tom, be honest for you, a man that's open-minded, do you sympathize with the level of racism that she experienced as a child for being brown?
	No I, I think Elizabeth Warren has been completely exposed for the things that she.
	Oh wait, a minute, i'm sorry, we're talking about somebody else.
	Oh, Nikki Haley.
	Well, Nikki Haley has once again, has played the you know, the Elizabeth Warren card trying to trying to use, trying to use color, race or or association to create affinity, and but it's affinity not with, not with um, you know, achievement and anything to be proud of.
	It's affinity with victimhood and I think the whole victimhood thing is disgusting to people.
	I think that's what makes Vivek, you know attract, attractive to people.
	In his message he said so.
	You know what?
	He's not a victim, he's just getting up there and he's doing his thing, speaking it, and he is who he is.
	Who do you think his decision?
	That was to do the?
	Because, I mean, she has a team, right?
	Is that her decision to bring that up?
	Or somebody goes, you know what?
	Go for the brown racist strategists and handlers that are telling her, don't bring up slaves.
	That's what they didn't want her to say.
	I'm gonna tell you this.
	I'm gonna tell you this, it's 100 her decision.
	What do you?
	What are you talking about?
	It's your decision.
	Everybody can give me feedback, whatever they want to give me.
	I made the decision.
	I'm a shot caller, you're a shot caller, that's your decision.
	We can easily and, by the way, even when you say, like you know, when I give the story about Romney on the flight with Bill O'reilly.
	I'm going to Vegas.
	Somehow some of us were sitting right next to each other.
	I'm like hey, what happened?
	Why did Romney lose?
	I thought you he was gonna win.
	And it says he listened to his campaign strategist that said, don't be mean on the last one, because you beat him up so hard.
	Obama with Benghazi on the last one, you're losing single female voters.
	So talk about salads.
	So i'm not saying salads, but you understand what i'm saying.
	So okay, you're in a room your, your campaign strategist comes up to you, says, Vinny, on this next campaign, wear shorts and a tank top.
	Show your tattoos in the debate, because if you do, you're gonna get the single female vote and Middle America is gonna like you.
	How short of this short.
	Now, if you do it, if you sit there and you say, what a freaking great idea, you deserve everything you get.
	Okay, everything you get, you're gonna be very famous to show up there on And do your thing.
	But, you know, that's the part where you got to make a decision and say, look, this is my brand.
	You know what my brand is?
	Black shirt, nice little cross that I just bought, sick with my Manek money.
	I got a nice watch.
	I'm warm.
	And I'm coming out.
	And let me put in your pants just.
	But guess what?
	Why do people love you?
	Because you're Vincent O'Shano.
	You're authentic.
	That's true.
	I'm being very sincere with you.
	You're loved the way you are because you're straight up and you're sincere and authentic.
	And some of these politicians just don't even know how to do that.
	It's let me go give a speech here to one of these guys or I'll flip it again.
	Come and give the speech here to one of these guys.
	Or I'll go over there and give this guy.
	You know, say what you want about DeSantis.
	Whether you like him or don't like him politically, he is who he is.
	I asked him a question about his boots.
	I was hoping he would do something so people would laugh and he would laugh at himself, kind of like a self-deprecation moment.
	Guess what?
	He doesn't know how to do that.
	He just doesn't have that.
	Vivek has it.
	Trump has it.
	You know, Clinton has it.
	Some people have it.
	Even George Bush has it.
	Remember, he went on and, you know, oops, or you know, all these other things.
	I'm not talking Governor Perry, but even George Bush, he knew how to laugh at himself.
	It's a very interesting thing to have.
	America likes that.
	He doesn't know how to do that, but at least he stayed very consistent.
	He shared his values.
	And America said, no, man, you're not number one.
	Maybe you'll have a different job.
	But Haley is.
	Well, I think part of the reason that you're upset by this, probably a lot of Republicans are upset by this is because typically identity politics and race politics is owned and operated by the left and the Democrats.
	What are you doing?
	So, you know, that's how we have a vice president named Kamala Harris because they weren't looking on meritocracy.
	They weren't looking on policy.
	They weren't even looking at personality, quite frankly.
	They were looking to check a box for the VP and boom.
	You know what would end up with her?
	You know what would make sense, though?
	Here's what would make sense.
	Okay.
	Tom, Chris, odds of this.
	Odds of this.
	Okay.
	You know how when's the last time a candidate from the right left the party?
	Who's the last person that left the party?
	What do you mean the candidate on the right?
	Somebody from the right that left the party.
	You know, RFJ just left the left and went and became a what?
	He became an independent, right?
	Tulsi left the left and she went and became an independent, right?
	But when's the last time somebody on the right left?
	Not to go to the left.
	Sometimes to go to the center, yeah.
	Republicans leave to go to independent status.
	Right.
	Right.
	Guess what?
	Nikki Haley?
	Maybe that's a good strategy for you.
	Exactly.
	Go, go be that.
	Go be a center-left person and use your skin color, racism, and female and women and all this stuff.
	Maybe that audience will like you.
	And by the way, in New Hampshire, you know how many Democrats they were talking about wanting to vote just so Trump loses in New Hampshire?
	She's getting Democratic votes.
	Maybe she'll get some votes on the other side.
	So what if she left the party and went and became a Democrat or center left?
	That would be interesting.
	Joe Lieber.
	Well, this goes to my initial point where I think in 2024, this might help her a little bit.
	But when she loses to Trump, this is going to backfire tremendously in 2028.
	So she's going to get a little bump in New Hampshire.
	She might compete in South Carolina, not really.
	But when all is said and done, in 30 days when she drops out of the race, MAGA on the right wing will not forget who she is.
	Her career will officially be finished.
	But Ron DeSantis, because he ran to the right of Trump, will still have a chance in 2028.
	Well, Nikki just says I'm a Democrat now, and then she runs with Michelle Ormonde.
	She is a corporate bureaucrat.
	I don't think she's a Democrat.
	I think she's taking the money.
	She's playing the identity politics.
	Okay, right there.
	She's taking the money.
	Of course she is.
	So watch this.
	Why does he like Dave Portnoy's deal?
	Why is Chris happy about Dave Portnoy's deal?
	He took equity.
	Because when somebody takes equity, what are they saying?
	I really believe in long-term on what's going to happen.
	But there are some people right now that are calling me and I'm talking to them and they're saying, hey, man, I want to sell my podcast for this, this, this, and that.
	I said, you want me to get you a buyer?
	I'll introduce you to Chris.
	I'll introduce you to this guy.
	Talk to them, see what they want.
	Okay, if you're looking for a check.
	These people get a lot of eyeballs, right?
	There are guys in the political side that just want a check.
	There are guys that want a partnership.
	There are guys that want equity.
	Dave wants a partnership.
	That's what Dave's got with the announcement that you made today, right?
	But I think Nikki Haley, obviously going and sitting on the Boeing board, that's money.
	You didn't go to Boeing because you're like, oh my God, I just love the planes you guys make.
	You guys change people's lives with these doors opening on the plane in Miami on fire.
	Isn't that great?
	It's like better than fireworks.
	I love you guys.
	You guys are awesome.
	Can you play the video of the Miami plane Boeing just on fire flying?
	The lady is screaming, saying, What the hell is going on?
	So, guess what, Democrats?
	If Adam says she's a, what did you call her?
	She's a corporate?
	Corporate stooge?
	I don't know what I call her.
	By the way, that's the plane.
	And I want this lady to say her thing, and then I'll give my sincere shit.
	She's a Boeing in Miami.
	In Miami, listen to this lady.
	Oh, you don't have the lady what she says because she's obviously what she says.
	That's all my luck.
	That'd be the flight that I'm on.
	I'm just telling you right now.
	Yeah.
	Oh, my God.
	Sorry.
	Imagine you're on that flight.
	Oh, it's on fire.
	And they have to turn around and come back.
	By the way, there's a reason why people are afraid of heights because they were on a flight like this for the rest of their life.
	They're miserable.
	Let me finish this up.
	So maybe this is even a message to Nikki Haley.
	Maybe it's for Democrats that listen to the podcast.
	Many do.
	Maybe this is an opportunity for you.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Like, go, this is an opportunity to get somebody to go on the left.
	You know how big of an announcement that would be for the left if they announced?
	Nikki Haley, who was the person that almost beat Trump, she finally saw the BS in Trump.
	She is now a Democrat.
	Wow, the trade.
	It would be a brilliant strategy for the left to consider.
	I think big time.
	And then guess what?
	And then once Michelle Obama goes, hey, I'm running.
	Maybe has to start a podcast on Rumble.
	You apologize and call it the trade.
	By the way, you showed that video.
	The trade, right?
	Yeah, the Miami.
	I just, I don't know why.
	The first thing that jumped in my head, Adam, was a flight attendant going, Jesus Christ, just don't look up.
	The flight attendant on that airplane, they must have been going crazy.
	The whole engine was like, it was a cargo plane, so I don't believe it.
	Oh, my God.
	Oh, that's boring then.
	There goes my joke.
	Great.
	It's just a metaphor.
	Thanks for ruining everything.
	That's just a metaphor for the last week of her campaign.
	That's what whether it's a cargo plane or not, it's a Boeing plane.
	No?
	Yeah.
	Rob, is that a Boeing plane?
	It was.
	It was a Boeing plane.
	Yeah, Boeing 7478 cargo.
	Boeing's not doing well.
	And then the ESG and the doors, they're killing it.
	They just announced after last week, they're like, moving forward, we're going to have convertible planes.
	Right.
	With outdoor swimming pools.
	Nice.
	Just go take a bath in the back.
	Latest new advancement in Boeing.
	They're introducing convertible planes.
	By the time the flight is done, everybody's got to slick back hair.
	Forget about Botox.
	You're just going like this.
	And prof by it.
	Anyways, folks, this is a joke.
	Don't go share this story with others.
	Boeing is introducing convertible planes.
	That wouldn't work in today's economy.
	It would be a bad thing.
	Fly the fire it flies.
	Anyways, we got a lot of other stories to cover.
	We'll do one home team together as well.
	This has been a blast.
	Chris, you the man.
	Happy for you.
	Congrats.
	Big deal.
	Phenomenal story to go from where you're at to where you are now.
	And, you know, dropping out and doing what you're doing with websites.
	And then all of a sudden you build this thing and turns into 60 million people visiting the site, getting millions of eyeballs.
	some of the biggest brands choosing to join you with Rumble.
	Very excited for you.
	The part for me that I'm most excited for Rumble, I said this, I think, I said this a year and a half ago when the whole Spotify thing that happened.
	Yep.
	Not even a year and a half ago.
	I said this two years ago.
	We sat down at the house.
	We were talking late at night after we had dinner at Casa D'Angelo.
	I said, this is why I trust capitalism and I love capitalism.
	Because when YouTube was doing what it was doing, censoring videos, then what happened?
	A guy like Chris said, look, that's not cool.
	We're going to make it work.
	Trust me, guys.
	Running a business, it is 100 times harder than you even know it.
	A lot of people say, oh, look at this rich guy, got $400 million.
	Do you know how many sleepless nights this guy's had to probably get the business to where it's at today?
	That's why I respect him because it's hard to be an operator.
	It is harder than you even think it is.
	It's very, very hard to be an operator and never to give up.
	And all these people creating content because somebody was stubborn enough to not take all the pushing, the bullying behind closed doors.
	And he stood, he stood calm.
	He believed in his stuff.
	Family was backing him up.
	And then now you build something like this.
	But I love capitalism.
	I trust capitalism.
	Capitalism makes guys like you come out and say, no, that's not cool.
	I have an idea.
	I think we can do it better like this.
	Capitalism says, you know what?
	I'm worth $300 billion.
	I can date anybody out there in the world.
	And I probably have.
	And I got some money.
	It's around $300 billion, not that much.
	But you know what?
	Not as if my life isn't crazy enough right now.
	I'm going to buy this company called Twitter.
	And I'm going to pay $30 billion more than what it's really worth because I believe freedom of speech is that important, right?
	Then Daniel Eck, when they try to trash, what do you call it?
	Rogan on Spotify.
	Rogan, he said, no, no, no.
	No, listen, I'm over here in my country.
	Don't bother us.
	You Americans trying to turn everybody into this and this and that.
	We like what Rogan's doing.
	We're sticking with them.
	Rumble, you know, Spotify, Twitter, X now.
	Many of these guys, due to capitalism competing, force their competitors to sit there and say, maybe we are not making the best decisions right now.
	Maybe we ought to take a different kind of a route.
	And I applaud you.
	I respect you for doing that.
	Again, Rob, if you want to go back to Manek, for some of you guys that watch this and you want to give this man a shout out or ask him a question, how do you go through the tough times to get to where you are today?
	Just make sure don't ask him political questions because he's going to say yes or no.
	Skip political questions.
	You can Manek with him.
	That's his QR code at the bottom.
	But definitely do give him a shout out for him being on the podcast here today.
	Take care, everybody.
	Tomorrow morning, we are back on, I think, Home Team Tomorrow.
	We got 40 stories we haven't gone through that we will get through tomorrow morning.
	Take care, everybody.

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