PBD - Patrick Bet-David - Chris Bumstead on TRT vs Steroids, Justin Trudeau & GOATS of Bodybuilding | PBD Podcast

Dec. 14, 2023 - PBD - Patrick Bet-David

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Chris Bumstead on TRT vs Steroids, Justin Trudeau & GOATS of Bodybuilding | PBD Podcast | Ep. 339

Patrick Bet-David and Vincent Oshana are joined by professional bodybuilder Christopher Bumstead, known by his fans as CBum, as they discuss the greatest competitive bodybuilders of all time, the effects of processed foods and plastics on testosterone levels, and the pros and cons of steroid use. Check out CBum's supplement company Get Raw Nutrition: https://bit.ly/3RoGSLF Check out CBum's energy drink, Bum Energy: https://bit.ly/3RGz2P3 Subscribe to CBum's YouTube channel: https://bit.ly/3RGzjl3 Follow CBum on Instagram: https://bit.ly/46XAYqO Follow CBum on TikTok: https://bit.ly/47UWKNj 00:38 - Patrick explains why he stopped interviewing bodybuilders 01:43 - Chris discusses how he get into bodybuilding 9:58 - Chris explains how he quit the partying lifestyle after qualifying for Mr. Olympia in 2017 15:14 - Patrick explains the changes he would make if he ran the Mr. Olympia Competition 29:05 - Comparing the physiques of several different bodybuilders 42:25 - If competitive bodybuilding is worth suffering health effects later in life 1:06:14 - Chris discusses his enemies in the world of competitive bodybuilding 1:12:01 - Competing with Arnold Schwarzenegger for best body builder of all time 1:13:56 - Canadian's thoughts on Prime Minister Justin Trudeau 1:18:31 - The use of steroids in bodybuilding 1:29:18 - The effects of healthy diets, including superfoods, and the harm processed foods pose on male testosterone levels 1:39:24 - Obesity rates in America vs the rest of the world Purchase Patrick's new book "Choose Your Enemies Wisely": https://bit.ly/41bTtGD Connect one-on-one with the right expert to get the answers you need with Minnect: https://bit.ly/3MC9IXE Get best-in-class business advice with Bet-David Consulting: https://bit.ly/40oUafz Visit VT.com for the latest news and insights from the world of politics, business and entertainment: https://bit.ly/472R3Mz Visit Valuetainment University for the best courses online for entrepreneurs: https://bit.ly/47gKVA0 Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! SUBSCRIBE TO: @VALUETAINMENT @vtsoscast @ValuetainmentComedy @bizdocpodcast @theunusualsuspectspodcast Want to be clear on your next 5 business moves? https://bit.ly/3Qzrj3m Join the channel to get exclusive access to perks: https://bit.ly/3Q9rSQL Download the podcasts on all your favorite platforms https://bit.ly/3sFAW4N Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

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	Did you ever think you would make it?
	I know this life meant for me.
	Yeah, why would you bet on Goliath when we got fed David?
	Value taming, giving values contagious.
	This world of entrepreneurs, we get no value to hated.
	I'm the one.
	Let's see this here to see if I'm getting the audio right or wrong.
	Chris just taught me how to use this Apple new iPad.
	I'm used to using the old one.
	But today, guys, I have not done a bodybuilding interview for probably, man, I can't even tell you.
	I haven't done one for probably four or five years.
	And there's a reason for it.
	This is a space I was very interested in.
	When I was younger, I got out of high school.
	I wanted to be Mr. Olympia.
	I went and did the whole thing.
	And I went to Mr. Olympia.
	I hung out with these guys to see what the life was going to be like.
	And then, you know, hey, if you want to win Mr. Olympia, what's the right height?
	What do you got to be?
	This got to be this.
	Do I do this?
	Do I do that?
	And finally, one day I'm like, Mr. Olympia is not for me.
	I'm leaving.
	Well, maybe later on I'll do something.
	I wanted to buy Mr. Olympia.
	So I had a meeting with them three months before they announced Jake Wood bought Mr. Olympia.
	And I wanted to make an offer.
	And so now we're never going to be selling.
	We don't have this.
	We don't have that.
	Then Jake would buy it.
	I said, I'm done with Mr. Olympia.
	I walked away.
	However, I did a bunch of interviews with a bunch of the guys.
	And you're the first one I'm doing since then because you're a very interesting profile of a bodybuilder, which doesn't make sense.
	And let me explain to you why.
	Okay.
	Here we go with this.
	Number one, this guy is, Rob, can you play this clip for some of you that maybe he's got himself covered?
	So you don't, he's not showing his arms.
	He's not showing his body.
	I just want you to see this clip.
	I can't play the music because YouTube's not going to be happy with us.
	You know which clip I'm talking about, Rob?
	That one right there.
	Just watch this clip here.
	This is him at two years old.
	We can't play the music.
	So this is you.
	I'm sure you've seen this.
	Very cute.
	Sick hat.
	Yeah, he's got style.
	Very flexible.
	Very flexible.
	Look at this guy here.
	Good looking youngst, 10 years old.
	Boom.
	Holy shit, he's got muscles and swagger.
	Damn.
	18 years old.
	Is that five points?
	Yeah, you're rocking the bun, dude.
	And then you come to 19.
	Okay, I can do something with this body.
	And then 20.
	Then all of a sudden, you go to 21, shoulders popping out.
	You're seeing a difference now.
	Waist staying small.
	Look at that waist.
	Very hard to keep it the way it is, small.
	Still haven't eaten one carb.
	Yeah.
	24, 25.
	It'll come up and all of a sudden show you where at.
	This is when you start winning.
	25, the beard shows up.
	There it is.
	26.
	And then boom.
	Five-time Mr. Olympia classic champion.
	And it's interesting because you're the most followed guy in bodybuilding outside of Arnold, I believe.
	And Arnold obviously has had a run rate for many years.
	And, you know, he's a governor, actor.
	He's the GOAT in the bodybuilding space for doing a full life, everything that he's done together.
	But he got 22 million followers on Instagram, 5 million, nearly 5 million on TikTok, nearly 4 million subs on YouTube.
	And anybody I talk to from the bodybuilding space, you're loved and you're liked.
	A lot of people are maybe loved, admired, but not liked.
	Some are liked, but they're not loved and admired.
	Very few are loved and admired.
	And they stay humble and they're chill.
	And you and I were talking.
	I was inviting you to a party like, hey, man, I'd love to come, but I got to go somewhere because I'm handling something.
	I'm like, okay, cool.
	You're just very straight up about it.
	And we talked about it.
	I'm like, look at this guy.
	Freaking amazing guy.
	I said, let's have him on.
	And then here we are talking to the five-time Mr. Olympia champion.
	It's great to have you on the podcast.
	Thank you, sir.
	It's an honor to be here.
	Hell of an intro there.
	I've never seen that video.
	You've never seen that video.
	Yeah, so that's a video of you, man.
	I'm what you've done and where you are today.
	And a lot of young guys look up to you with the way you handle yourself, how humble you are, and you're a champion.
	And you openly talk about the challenges and you're expecting a child, which is exciting.
	I saw the video.
	You left everybody hanging, you know, with the twice with the clip.
	You're about to tell us and I'm boom.
	And then second time you tell us and then boom.
	So I also like the way you're creating your content.
	So let's go from the beginning.
	I got a few stories I want to go through here with you.
	I want to talk about a couple of things with health, obesity, some stats we got here for you.
	Some of it's taking place within kids.
	We'll talk about some other things having to do with bodybuilders.
	I'll show you some pictures of some guys who have won in the past before.
	I want to get your thoughts on how you look at different bodybuilders on their physiques, different champions that's been in the game for a while.
	And then some of this stuff we'll talk about the current state of bodybuilding, the current state of Mr. Olympia.
	And then I'm sure we'll talk about a bunch of other things.
	But before we get started, for the audience that doesn't know your background, how did you get into bodybuilding?
	Was it a natural transition into, well, you want to be Mr. Olympia, or was it something like purely accidental?
	It was definitely a little accidental.
	When I was younger, I loved playing sports.
	I played way too many sports to be good at any one sport.
	That was kind of my problem.
	I was very athletic.
	And instead of falling into putting in my training into being a better football player, basketball player and the skill, I fell in love with training and alone and being in the gym and wanting to be stronger because I was just naturally very athletic.
	So I spent all my time in the gym rather than practicing the skill of sports.
	And slowly, you know, people started to get really good.
	You know, I started to get beat out and all the sports.
	And I just started spending all my time in the gym.
	And then when I was 17 years old, my sister started dating a local bodybuilder.
	And they're actually now married.
	He's my brother-in-law.
	Oh, wow.
	And he got me into understanding the true depth of bodybuilding, what it really took, the training, the nutrition, recovery, everything.
	And he saw some potential in me.
	He's like, hey, I'd love to coach you for a bodybuilding show if you want.
	And I was like, hell yeah.
	Like, let's try it.
	How old are you at this time?
	That was when I was 17.
	Oh, wow.
	But I didn't compete until two years later.
	Got it.
	So I was still just training up.
	And then he coached me when I was 19 to do my first show.
	And the cool thing is he actually coached me for eight years after that.
	And we won three Mr. Olympia titles together.
	So from getting me to the gym, teaching me the ropes to three Olympia titles.
	So he got you.
	So you guys did three together.
	So then is that when Hani showed up?
	That's when I switched over to Honey.
	Got it.
	And how did that transition happen with Hani?
	Supernatural.
	You know, Ian, my brother-in-law, Ian, he was competing in the Olympia as well.
	So imagine competing for the Olympia, having to prep yourself, be peak week, diet, and get yourself right.
	Is he in the documentary that you created, the video as well, where he's also jacked and he's like, I'm excited because I'm actually going to be on the stage.
	Okay, so that's your brother-in-law.
	The blonde guy.
	Got it.
	Yeah.
	The blonde guy.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	So it's pretty difficult to manage what you're doing while also having the pressure of the three-time Olympia champion and making sure I come in perfectly.
	So it was taking away from his ability to compete.
	And he felt like he wasn't able to give me his all as a coach.
	So we started talking about bringing in someone new.
	So he came up and he says, I've taken you this far.
	You need somebody else to take you to the next level.
	Was it that kind of a conversation?
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	We were definitely on the same page, but he was all for it.
	He just wanted what was happening.
	Interesting for him to do.
	That's not easy to do when somebody says, so what was the difference?
	Because Hani, for people that don't know, if he can pull up Hani, how do you spell his last name, by the way?
	It's R-O.
	R-A-M-B-O-D.
	He's Persian.
	I should know how to spell his last name.
	We talk all the time.
	This guy is, by the way, the amount of people he's worked with that he's helped.
	Phil has worked with him.
	Phil speaks very highly of him.
	You got Chopin.
	You got just recently Mr. Olympia champion as well.
	A lot of people have worked with him.
	What is the biggest difference of working with Hani versus your brother-in-law?
	What did you notice immediately?
	I would probably say the experience of working with champions.
	You know, there's a level where you understand the basics, and all things in life are like this.
	You understand the basics of fundamentals of everything.
	You can keep getting better at those.
	And then there's something that only experience really gives you at the top level.
	A lot of the combination of the mindset, how different everybody's body is, how differently you respond to different stressors and different simulations and all that stuff.
	So when there was a problem that would occur, maybe in like peak week, you're about to get on stage.
	Like for example, this year, I woke up and I was holding on to a bunch of water.
	It didn't really look how I should have.
	I'd put on a bunch of weight overnight randomly.
	And you might panic, but we've got to be on stage in three hours.
	What do we do?
	You don't know what to do.
	There's different manipulations you can do with your body, but only so much you can do in a matter of hours.
	But he's been doing this with champions at a high level for 20 years.
	He has 24 Olympia titles under his belt that he's unbelievable.
	Crazy.
	Yeah.
	So he just understands how to problem solve and doesn't overthink it, doesn't stress it.
	And he can just pull it from his experience.
	Is he driving you by creating urgency, or is he more bringing you down and keeping you calm?
	And we got this under control.
	Or is it a combination of challenging you?
	Hey, if you really want this, you got to do this.
	You know, you got to push a little bit more in this area.
	This is an area.
	Does he talk to you like an artist looking at your body saying, look at this angle here?
	Look at this here.
	If we work on this, what is that approach he has with you?
	Is it more you feel calmer when he's around, or does he challenge you to go above and beyond?
	It's definitely a bit of both.
	And anyone who knows Hani knows he's a crazy stress case sometimes.
	And he's kind of like the guy who will carry all the stress so you don't have to.
	But he's also the guy who will never look at anything and be satisfied.
	You know, for him to give you a compliment, I maybe got like two over two years of working together.
	You're like, the second he looks at you, and he'll just quietly, he'll give a little smile and nod, and you're like, oh shit, that's a good thing.
	So normally you won't even get like that little spark in his eye.
	It's just like, all right, you could look the best, feel the best you've ever done.
	And he's just like, all right, we got to push more cardio, cut your carbs, we got to start doing this now.
	Like, it's just, what do we do to be better?
	He's always on that.
	So, so you're a five-time champion.
	And for some people that don't know, you were born in 95.
	Yeah.
	You're February 2nd, 95.
	You're 28 years old.
	It's not like you're 38 years old or 39 years old.
	You know, you're 28 years old, which means you can go as long as you want to go.
	I remember when I was in YMCA and we're all starting to work out.
	There's a 16-year-old kid.
	His name is Arthur.
	He had a brother named Merouch.
	They may see this and somebody may send it to him.
	Arthur had an insane, and when I mean insane, I mean insane physique.
	Okay.
	And you could tell this guy's genes are just better than the rest of us.
	He was 5'10, the right height, that if he wanted to make a run at it.
	And then from there, you're kind of like, which is his passion wasn't there.
	He's just kind of like, yeah, I don't really care to be a Mr. Olympia or compete or any of this stuff.
	What did you have to do?
	Because to be a five-time champion in 28, you're a good-looking guy.
	You got a great physique.
	You're going to be attracted by a lot of girls that want to be around you.
	You can be invited to all the parties.
	The drugs are going to be there for you.
	Everything you want to go to the places that are going to be distractions.
	That crowd is going to be attracted to a guy like you, right?
	How did you, at a young age, manage to prevent those temptations of getting caught up in drugs and all that other stuff to become a five-time champion?
	I mean, I definitely had a phase when I was younger where I was a bit of a party animal.
	And that's where when you really look at some of my progression through the year, you can see one year that just flipped when I started to compete at the Olympia.
	And that was when I really checked out of being, I was in college.
	What year was how old were you at the time?
	It was around 2017.
	So 2017, six years, you're 22.
	Yeah.
	Was it a flip like you're done?
	Was it like a gradual, guys?
	I can't come this Saturday.
	Not for you used to go five days a week.
	Now you're only going two days a week and on one day a week.
	It was a gradual at first because I had qualified to go the Olympia for my first time in 2017 and I started to pull away.
	And when I was in prep, obviously I'm in bed at like 8 to 9 p.m. while my college roommates are partying downstairs and I'm trying to sleep, get up early for cardio.
	And then that was only a 12-week prep.
	And then that had come second that year.
	And my first ever Olympia came second place.
	And that's when I came home and I was like, fuck, like, I can make something of this.
	Like, this is like, I can do this.
	If I go, if I'm doing like 60% of the year, I'm going all in.
	The other half I'm kind of partying too much.
	If I go 100% in and I give everything right now and I take out everything else, I know I can do this shit.
	Because the one thing about bodybuilders, man, you know, look, if you want to find out who has the drugs, who has the hookups to the club, who has the hookups to girls, to anything, go talk to guys that work at a gym.
	No joke.
	Guys at sales managers, okay, at Bally's, at 24-hour, at LA Finnis, at any of these gyms, Powerhouse in LA, any of these places, they typically know every club promoter, every party guy, every they know it all.
	So if you party with bodybuilders, my experience, they were crazy.
	I was going to say, is this from your own experience?
	Yeah, they were crazy party guys.
	I worked at Bally's for almost a year.
	So to me, it's like, shit, we know everybody.
	And you got access to, you had the ecstasy guy.
	You had the cocaine guy.
	You had this guy.
	You had the steroids guy.
	You had the weed guy with the best quality.
	You had everything you wanted.
	You had access within the gym.
	So it's kind of hard to get away from it.
	And even when you sometimes talk to, you know, some of the guys who are known for having the best physiques, you know, the story is always, well, that guy partied above and beyond, and he had a great physique, and he could have been a bigger champion.
	It's not easy to say no to it, though.
	You're kidding me.
	Because it's right in front of you.
	Chris, so your sister, Melissa, IFBB Pro.
	Yep.
	Right.
	So, and obviously you are who you are.
	Is anybody else in your family, like were your mom and dad?
	Like, was your dad jacked?
	Was you like, did you have an uncle?
	Is it in the bloodline?
	It's definitely, I definitely have some good genetics.
	I can't tell you that.
	Yeah, for sure.
	My dad didn't compete or anything, but there was one picture I always go back to where he was in high school and he was a gymnast and he's at the bottom of one of those pyramids they would build and he's just down there, hands on the ground, just triceps popping out of the mouth.
	Oh, really?
	Just mad?
	I felt like, dad, you were jacked in high school, eh?
	And he just laughed.
	So Melissa's, excuse me, Melissa's husband is the guy that trained you before Honey.
	Yeah.
	Did you guys meet through her?
	I was still in high school.
	She's five years older than me.
	Gotcha.
	So he was like 22 at the time.
	I was in high school.
	They started dating and they've been together for like 12 years now or whatever.
	And he just started, he was competing at the time and started teaching me the ropes and coached me a few years later.
	That's sick, bro.
	Can you zoom out a little bit so we can see the comparison between the brother, brother?
	Yeah, if you can just click on that.
	Anyone who likes knows me and my sister has seen us trained, seen us compete.
	My sister had the better genetics of the two of us.
	Shit, I love you.
	Oh, yeah.
	Seriously?
	Yeah.
	She has the better genetics than the two of you.
	But I must have met like, what is Thanksgiving like?
	Like you're going over to get like some stuffing and they're like, yeah, your tricep dude.
	Like, I don't.
	Is everybody just judging everybody?
	I mean, it's definitely funny because people meet me and they'd be like, oh, you're a big dude, blah, blah.
	I never felt like I was a big dude because every dinner I had at family dinner, I was the smallest, second smallest guy or second biggest guy at the table.
	My brother-in-law is always like 50 pounds heavier than me.
	So I never felt like I was that big.
	I was never that strong.
	He was always stronger than me.
	Just jacked.
	Yeah, kept me humble.
	Yeah, no, exactly.
	That's cool.
	That's cool.
	So let's talk bodybuilding.
	So, Mr. Olympia today.
	I'm having this conversation, you know, my ideas of what I would do if I was running Mr. Olympia.
	And I remember I did this one Instagram live.
	A bunch of guys were on.
	Phil Heath was on, Kai Green, and all these guys get on.
	And I said, I'm going to put a million dollar prize for my own contest I want to run.
	And if I'm not running Mr. Olympia, I'm going to put a million bucks for first place.
	I'm going to run my own open, but I'm going to do it on the same weekend as Mr. Olympia.
	Here's what I'm going to do.
	Not like I was trying to piss anybody off, but I just chose to say that.
	I thought it was appropriate to do the same weekend, you know, and see what's going to happen.
	I was willing to go to 2 million, even a bigger number, but I wanted first place to get a million-dollar check when you win.
	However, the direction I wanted to go is using data to prove what was the hardest thing to do that would earn the respect of somebody winning.
	And to me, the hardest thing to do with data today is a small waist, a nice symmetrical back, nice shoulders, okay, legs, you know, bone.
	The movie, when you see these Hulk-like, not Hulk-like, more Reeves type of style physique or Frank Zayn type of physique, it's also healthier.
	You can also manage expectations with the younger kids that look up and say, I want to be like that guy.
	Because it's different when you're looking at Nassero Sombati, you're like, shit, I want to be like that guy.
	Dude, that guy died very early because he was taking all the stuff that you, you look at Greg Kovacs.
	This guy's got 26.
	You ever seen a picture with Greg Kovacs standing next to Jay Cutler?
	Have you ever seen, can you pull up this picture I sent you?
	I thought it was a joke.
	I thought this was a joke.
	Well, they probably did a little bit of Photoshop with this, but Greg Kovacs was known for incline pressing seven plates.
	Jeez.
	Incline, pressing seven plates.
	His arms were known for being 26 and a half inches.
	I met this guy 20 something years ago.
	You're looking at him.
	It doesn't look real.
	That looks like they photo, like his tricep was bigger than his own.
	Just type in Greg Kovacs and just type in Greg Kovacs anywhere else.
	Type in Greg Kovacs and just go to images and you'll see what this looks like.
	Yeah, just go over there or maybe go some of the other pictures.
	Oh yeah, his shoulder.
	It doesn't make any sense when you would see his body, his arms.
	Put biceps, Greg Kovacs biceps.
	If you just put that up there, Greg Kovacs biceps and go to some of these pictures.
	26 and a half inch arms, 26 inch arms this guy's got.
	So the younger kids, they're coming up.
	They're like, dude, I want to have Greg Kovacs type of physique.
	My idea was to flip it.
	So if I ever own Mr. Olympia, the open right now, the top prize is what?
	$400,000.
	$400,000.
	Right?
	Okay.
	And the winner this year seems like the nicest guy who won.
	Great guy, yeah.
	Yeah, great guy.
	Messaged him, congratulations.
	God bless.
	Very much about God.
	Family guy, good guy to be a champion.
	But I would flip it.
	I would make the prize for the classic, the bigger one, and I would lower the Opal Month.
	Of course, it's going to piss a lot of people off, and that's why they're not going to want me to have it as the owner, because that's a different approach to take.
	But why would I do that?
	When you sit there and you're looking at the amount of people having health issues with bodybuilding, they're not managing expectations properly.
	Do you think the current format the way they have where for you, when you win, most people don't know when you win, it's only $50,000.
	What's $50,000?
	Nothing.
	Now, obviously, you don't rely on the $50,000.
	You make millions on top of millions on sponsorship.
	And I heard your first sponsorship was $2,200 a month when you first got it.
	You're like, I can't even believe I'm getting $2,200.
	Richest I've ever felt.
	Richest, you've ever known.
	You took your friends out to the bar.
	You're like, hey, drinks on me.
	What do you think about the current format of Mr. Olympia?
	And when I listen to you, you sound very diplomatic.
	And I don't know if you've been trained on how to talk.
	You know how to give the diplomatic answers.
	You're very careful on the words you choose.
	I watch you.
	And maybe you're going to give the diplomatic answer right now.
	But if you were, if you and I were able to get in, and let's just say we're running Mr. Olympia.
	We own it.
	You're running it.
	Okay.
	You have the opportunity to make a few changes because you're thinking about the youth.
	You're thinking about the future.
	You're thinking about the brand.
	You've given your life to this.
	You've got five championships.
	What would you do to improve the brand?
	It's funny because I told my wife before coming, I like your style of everything because I know you call everybody out for giving political answers.
	I'm like, if I give a political answer, he's going to call me out and I'll let me give it.
	So start with that.
	No, and the way you think about it and talking about data and the progression of it, I think the way they are looking at it, and I'm not going to be super political, is very short-term.
	They're thinking people are excited to come buy tickets to watch open bodybuilders because it's crazier to see, but people don't want to become that.
	So it's a short-term goal.
	The older people want to come and they want to watch it.
	And to this year, they may sell more tickets.
	But if you start changing the prize money and incentivizing more people to go into classic physique and that grows more, that's more of a long-term play where more people are going to be driven to start when they're young to chase that classic physique.
	More people are going to be following it over years and years.
	And 10 years down the road, people may look at bodybuilding as something fun, but they all want to watch classic.
	And now there's a lot more excitement around it, a lot more competitiveness because there's a lot more money to it.
	So it's kind of a longer-term game.
	And I know the way you operate in a business, of course, you wouldn't have gotten where you are if you weren't thinking long-term.
	So I would agree, I would probably put more emphasis on classic physique.
	I would definitely be up in the prize money.
	And I've even thought whenever I'm done with this and I choose to retire, I want to find some way to incentivize that more.
	Obviously, like you said, I found a good way to start my own businesses and create my own net worth outside of competing.
	So I'm lucky in that aspect, but I want to help other people who don't have that opportunity, but who want to compete be more.
	So I want to encourage more people, whether it be more sponsorship opportunities or business opportunities for whoever the classic physique winner is, plus more prize money, more shows around the globe that incentivize it more.
	Just different aspects.
	Something I've definitely thought about.
	Yeah, I love that, especially coming from somebody like you.
	Because when you look at this, you're wondering, this is what I would do if I surveyed everybody who bought a ticket this year.
	I would ask, I would put a list of all the top competitors who are there.
	And I would do a survey from everybody that bought a ticket.
	And I would ask, who is the number one person you're coming to see?
	If I'm running Mr. Olympia, because that's the data I want.
	So then if I all of a sudden notice the guy that's got 22 million Instagram followers, 23% are coming to see you.
	Second place, 17% are coming to see Derek or Hadi or whoever else it is, right?
	13% are coming.
	If I see those numbers, why is the 23% that's coming to see you getting paid 50 and the 17%'s getting the 400?
	Because that's a real valid question to be asking that data is going to reveal who's selling the tickets.
	And I don't know if they do that data or not.
	By the way, Mr. Olympia, if you're watching and if you guys are involved in a Mr. Olympia, you guys ought to ask this question.
	If you're working for Mr. Olympia, go up.
	You know who your bosses are.
	Go up and say, can we run these numbers?
	And FYI, for the rest of you that are more from support of what direction he's going to, and you actually want this industry to get healthier and you would like this thing to be on national television, not the way it's going right now, it's not going to be.
	If you want it to be on national television, which is when you get the big checks, the big money, the big dollars and prices can get higher, that is a very valid question to ask because when's the last time Mr. Olympia was televised?
	Long time ago.
	No idea.
	Why is that?
	It's because of the steroids and the issues and the challenges and the health.
	So everybody that wants to do it, they're like, oh, eight people died this last year.
	This many bodybuilders died because they're using Trent or whatever else they're using.
	And that negative connotation comes with it.
	But if you all of a sudden say, no, we want to highlight this kind of a physique, it can change the game.
	Do you think it would change it, though, if, because it's still well known that everybody uses steroids.
	No question about it.
	So does it matter how much they're using or the fact they're using it at all?
	I don't care if you use steroids.
	I know you don't, but the average person on national television.
	But I also think like, I think we used to care who used smoke weed.
	Like when you and I were, I keep saying when you and I, you're 28, I'm 45.
	I forget the age difference, 17 years.
	I talk to you like, you know, you're a champion, you know, career.
	You've had 20 years.
	You've not had a 20-year career.
	Only got like a six-year career.
	It's crazy.
	Your career is only six years and you won five out of six times.
	No, but there was a time when I was in high school, you would see a guy with a tattoo.
	You're like, that guy must be a gangster or he's been in jail.
	No joke.
	I'm 45.
	At 13 years old, that's the first thing I thought about.
	Like, damn, that guy's got a tattoo.
	He probably killed somebody.
	Yes or no, Rob?
	Are you like not kind of thinking about it that way, right?
	Going over there.
	Right, you're kind of like that guy skips.
	He's probably a troublemaker.
	There's a knife in his waist.
	Today, if you see a guy without a tattoo, you actually ask, that guy's probably got some issues.
	Beta.
	He's got some insecurities.
	He's probably this.
	Mama's boy.
	Mama's a bad boy.
	We flip it, right?
	We're like, this guy without the tattoo has the issue.
	Back in the days, the guy with the tattoo addiction.
	30 years ago, if you smoke weed, like, look at that guy, man.
	He smokes weed.
	He's a drug addict.
	Don't see that.
	Joe Rogan comes out and says, stop it.
	Knock it off.
	You know, you guys, more people die from smoking cigarettes or more people die from alcohol than they do about this.
	Let's get under control.
	I think the education for PEDs, steroids, peptides, GH, they need to look at that.
	And especially now that we're looking at the testosterone levels for the youth being as low as it is, what caused this?
	Why do we have this?
	Why are we not looking at this?
	Why are we looking at maybe boys are a little bit more soft than pansies?
	Is there a correlation to the testosterone levels that we have?
	Why are we not investigating this?
	Is the world a better place with softer men in a country like this, America?
	I don't know about that.
	So what are we doing to protect the future security of the country?
	You need some strong men with strong personalities and masculinity, high testosterone that are willing to fight, that are willing to put their lives on the line.
	So who's selling it that way?
	I don't know.
	But for me, when I think about the sport, somebody needs to be able to educate the pop.
	I was kind of excited when Rock was going to buy Mr. Olympia.
	You remember when that conversation was, I'm like, dude, I hope this guy buys it.
	Because if him and Danny bought it, guess what?
	Like, do you know what they would do to them?
	Like, think about if Rock and Danny.
	What changes do you think would have taken place if Rock and Danny bought it?
	I think a lot of stuff, like you were saying, would be more long-term vision.
	They'd be running more data, switching over to make it more mainstream.
	They're all about making something more mainstream to get it on national television to get real sponsorships part of it, to get some real money.
	He was already talking about bringing in Ford and Voss in that sponsorships, which have a lot more money than any of us.
	Small businesses, small, but medium-sized businesses that are in there now.
	So it would just start growing like that.
	Yeah.
	And look, I don't have anything about Jake Wood.
	I've never spent time with the guy.
	I know he is a guy that actually loves bodybuilding itself.
	And he was a guy that apparently was very much interested in the female bodybuilding side.
	That's where he was very involved in and he picked up the brand.
	But it's a difference between having somebody like a weeder who loves the game and is a marketer versus somebody that just loves the game.
	If you bring a guy that loves the game and is a marketer, it's going to be a different story.
	So I don't know if you'll answer this, but if you don't totally get it, just guesstimation.
	And maybe because you're in the world and you hear some people say about this, do you think more people come to watch Mr. Olympia?
	When you're out there posing and the audience is there, what is the size difference of the audience of yours versus the open?
	Is it dramatically different where the open is packed than you guys are not, or is it about the same?
	I can't judge that because we're on right after each other.
	So like in the morning, there's two stages, and at night we're on the same stage and it's the same crowd.
	Got it.
	So there's not a way to judge that.
	So, okay, what ways could Mr. Olympia do due diligence to see why the fans are coming to watch the show?
	Is there ways to find out?
	Like maybe you would know.
	I mean, what you said about taking data and doing a survey would definitely help.
	But I also think that right now, my following and a lot of the people who are transitioning over to really liking the more classic physique look and a more attainable look are a little bit younger, may have less money to travel to Vegas and buy a ticket.
	But if you start building that up in five years now, these guys are the people in the head positions at companies with real careers who can afford it.
	So again, it's a more long-term play to start building something that that next generation will want to come and purchase tickets for.
	So it's hard to say.
	Because if you did your survey right now, let's say you said I'm 23% and then the winner of Olympia is 10%.
	But what if the next guy is 9% and that's also in the open?
	Yeah.
	In the open.
	And then the next guy's like another 9% and he's also open.
	And the combination is like 38%.
	Maybe I'm 23, but the combination of the top five guys in the open is a little bit higher right now.
	But by the way, you know what I would do if they did that?
	Then at least that's going to prove that they're doing the right thing.
	But let's just say it's 2 to 1.
	Yeah.
	But the price is 8 to 1.
	That doesn't make any sense to me.
	If it is 2 to 1, well, then the classic needs to go to $200,000 and the open can stay at $400,000, $50,000?
	Dude, if I was your manager, they would hate me because I'd be calling them every single freaking week saying, dude, this guy's stepping away because he's going to go do something else.
	He's already making a shit ton of money.
	He's about to be a father, family guy.
	He's not going to waste his time with this.
	He wants to do something bigger and he's only 28.
	You guys better change the price or else.
	I would be the most hated guy when they would get these calls, but I'm not in that business.
	It would be laughing.
	It would be different kind of phone calls yet.
	So on this topic, I want to kind of go through some of the pictures, your bodybuilding pictures.
	Every time I've had to guess, I showed him.
	I think the first time I did it with Dorian Yates, Yates started.
	I don't know if you've seen that one when Yates is looking at the pictures.
	And then I did it with Flex and Ronnie and Brandon Kirk.
	We had a bunch of these guys.
	Sean Ray showed up even.
	I think we did Sean Ray and we did Dexter.
	Dexter, to me, one of the sickest physiques, the way his pictures would come up.
	Rob, can you pull up some of these pictures?
	I just want to get your thoughts on some of these pictures here.
	When you think about Mr. Olympia competitors, and we can start off with him.
	When you think about Sean Ray's physique, historically, everyone's always called his physique one of the greatest physiques of all time.
	He never won, but I think he's been in the top three more than anybody else.
	There's a statistic about how many times he was in the top three more than anyone else.
	What do you think when you think of Sean Ray's physique?
	I think he had a beautiful classic physique for sure.
	I don't even think he'd make the weight limit for a classic anymore, honestly, because he was a little bit shorter, but great lines, great physique.
	He had that small waist and he had that very symmetrical physique.
	You know, a lot of like my physique, I have to pose to make it look a little more symmetrical and give the illusion.
	He could stand straight on.
	The more straight on you can hit every pose, no angles or anything, shows you that you're not hiding anything and it's just perfect.
	He has, you know, everything bubbling, rounding, pop.
	How do you think he would do in today's classic?
	You think he would.
	I don't know if he'd make weight.
	You don't know if he'd make weight.
	I think he'd be a little heavier, yeah.
	I mean, he looks a lot bigger than a lot of the guys you see right now in classic, so it's hard to say.
	I don't know what he weighed or how tall.
	What would be the weight?
	What's the weight you have to hit?
	It's a ratio of your height to weight.
	So I'm not sure exactly how tall he is, but for me at 6'1, it's 240 pounds.
	He wouldn't make it.
	Can you pull up a Sean Ray competition height weight?
	I like that.
	The fact that there's a ratio of height to weight.
	I actually love that.
	That's very interesting that they show 5'6 contest.
	He was 205.
	5'6, 205.
	215.
	I think 215 is definitely way over.
	But I think 5'6 would maybe he'd have to be 185 to 190, if I'm correct.
	So if he's 5'6, he would need to be 185, 190 to compete.
	I think I'd quote me on the.
	Even if he gets to a weight like that, do you think he, how do you think he would do in a classic today?
	He'd be right up there for sure.
	He'd be right up there.
	Okay.
	So let's go to the next one after Sean.
	If you got whoever you want to go to next, who's this?
	Kevin Levron, one of my favorite physiques of all time.
	When you look at Kevin Levron, go to the picture to the left right there, second row.
	First picture right there.
	You sensitist, just click on it.
	Just let's go to it and see.
	Look at this guy.
	It's ridiculous.
	Oh, it's a video.
	Okay, go back to whatever it was on the you have to go through.
	Yeah, there you go.
	When you see Kevin's physique, what do you think about with Kevin's physique?
	Again, I mean, all these guys from this era were the guys who didn't win the Olympia in this era were just wrong time.
	You know, they were around a lot of great people.
	I think a lot of these guys, if you spread them over time, would have won Mr. Olympias in their own way.
	But they were all against some crazy competitors.
	And, you know, he had a great physique.
	And it's hard to compare a lot of these pictures because back then there was a little bit of a different look.
	There were some, I mean, in this era, they were still just as lean.
	Cameras were a little different.
	You know, sometimes you watch the old videos that are a little grainy and it makes them look more grainy.
	You know, it's hard to compare now with 4K cameras and everything.
	It's a lot different.
	But he was one of the guys who looked amazing.
	And this was, I think, peak open size.
	Him right here?
	Like this, when his era around had stopped around that cap rather than keep pushing those limits.
	This was the peak of the bodybuilding open era for Mr. Olympia.
	Yeah, and it's difficult because someone like Ronnie Coleman came around and he could hold 300 pounds and still look aesthetic because he's a one-to-one, you know?
	Got it.
	Keep going.
	Go to the next one, Rob.
	Sergio, are these some of the guys that maybe, you know, when you see a Sergio, his son is now competing as well.
	Yep.
	And he's got a great physique as well.
	What do you think about Sergio's physique?
	I mean, also a great physique.
	I think this was back in the era when they were a little bit less dry and a little bit less lean, which I know a lot of people also liked.
	A little bit healthier as well.
	But everything progresses.
	Every sport you see continuously progresses.
	So it's hard to say that anyone would still appreciate looking at someone who's not quite as lean.
	But amazing physique.
	He had one of the smallest waist to arm ratios that anyone's ever had.
	One of the smallest waist to arm ratios.
	Wow.
	He had.
	Yeah, I mean, but just look at his eyes.
	He looks like a king.
	He looks like, listen, I belong up here.
	Go to the next one, whoever we have next.
	Hadi, we got, obviously, there's better pictures of Hadi.
	He's another guy that's loved as well.
	You know, you talk to guys about Hadi, they have nothing but good things to say about him.
	What do you think about Hadi?
	I think Hadi's won it, how many times?
	No, two or three times?
	The Open?
	I think he only won it once.
	Did he?
	He won it last year.
	Let me see.
	And then Derek beat him this year.
	Oh, that's right.
	Because, yes, you're right.
	He only won it once.
	Yeah.
	He only won it once.
	Because he won it before as the most fan, people's champion.
	No, I love Hadi.
	And what I love about him is he trains like an absolute animal.
	And this is why a lot of people love him.
	He's coached by Hani.
	And I went down to Texas about three weeks out last year.
	And we were training together.
	And he doesn't speak English.
	He speaks Farsi.
	And he's also kind of deaf.
	So he just kind of like, he's very non-verbal communication.
	And he's like, makes fun of me, teasing, kayaking jokes.
	And then it's like, time to a set.
	And he's just like serious.
	He puts two more plates on.
	And Hani's like, you don't need to do that heavy.
	He's like, just shakes his head, puts another plate on, and just go fall to the wall.
	Just an animal in the gym.
	So has Hadi forced you to learn how to speak Farsi or not yet?
	Like, Farsi isn't that good yet?
	Okay.
	I thought maybe they taught me a few things when I was down there, but I can't mostly.
	I can't say that on there.
	That's for sure.
	There's typically one that they say that has two letter K's in it, but they know what I'm talking about.
	Go to the next one.
	I'm not going to say this is, to me, this is.
	What do you think about this physique?
	Like, this is.
	Yeah, I mean, you're going to keep pulling up, I'm assuming, some of the greats of all time.
	And the reason we're looking at their pictures is because they were the best of all time.
	Yeah, Serge.
	Surgeon of brain is just like...
	There was something about Serge's physique when you look at this.
	Like, yeah.
	From shoulders to chest to like that, dude, his waist.
	Yeah.
	That's ridiculous.
	When they have that waist that looks like it's like pinched, like yeah, but that's what you created.
	When I look at the physique of, I put you guys in the same community because that's the body, right?
	That's like the godlike body you want to recognize where, you know, it just, it looks, it almost, the body you look at that you appreciate, it's almost something you're never going to achieve.
	It has to be the word unbelievable, right?
	It's not like believable.
	And some of it has to be not duplicatable because bodybuilding is not about being duplicative.
	It's about having great genes.
	Yeah.
	Like somebody can do all the steroids in the world.
	Dude, you're never going to look like that.
	This is not something that you're going to have.
	The genes factor comes with it as well.
	Keep going, Rob.
	Which is funny because they call classic physique sometimes more attainable.
	When realistically, it's kind of like the more genetic freaks out there who just have the look you can't work.
	They call classic more attainable.
	Yeah.
	Because it's, you know, 300 pounds versus 220 pounds.
	The only thing I would say with classic physique to me is it's just going to get the right audience wanting to come in and see it more.
	And then you can have the other side for the biggest freak that if somebody wants to have that, but you know, even Flex, you know, this is, they call this one the greatest pictures of bodybuilding ever taken.
	Maybe if not the greatest picture.
	This is it just doesn't make any sense when you look at this picture with this guy.
	His body.
	He used to do training with Mike Matarazzo on ESPN.
	Have you had any interaction with Flex?
	Have you guys?
	I have.
	Yeah.
	He still comes around the shows a lot.
	I've spoken to him.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Good guy.
	And I've definitely one of the physiques I looked at and I was like, this is this is it.
	Who are your top five physiques?
	Like, who do you think about when you're like, your top five?
	Do you have a list?
	I don't have a concrete list, but when I was younger, I really liked Barry DeMay.
	Barry DeMay.
	Yeah, he was just, you know, an all-American, like good-looking dude who had a classic physique-esque style.
	I would say in terms of like unattainable things, Flex Wheeler was one of my favorite for sure.
	He had the twisting back double bicep on his knees.
	That's one of the craziest things I've ever seen.
	But Barry DeMay was a guy that I really liked the physique of.
	Who else?
	Anybody else?
	That's a random name?
	Because that's a random name.
	I like Bob Paris, the way he posed.
	Yeah.
	You know, he was a little bit smaller guy, but really good look, too.
	Very like aesthetic.
	Yeah, Bob Paris's physique.
	I took some inspiration from his posing routines and stuff too.
	Were you a Gaspari guy or, you know.
	I wasn't like a huge fan of his physique, but I definitely respected it.
	Okay.
	I liked it.
	Yeah.
	Who else?
	Who else would you put on that list?
	These are interesting names you're given.
	Paris, DeMaya.
	I mean, if you asked me the greatest of all time, I'd still say Ronnie Coleman.
	You put Ronnie as the coach.
	I think so, yeah.
	Not that that's where I would ever want to see the.
	Dude, his vein on his arm is bigger than my leg.
	And there's a point where before he was at the beginning of his career, of his reign, the first like one to two, where I think he looked his best before he put on an extra like 20, 30 pounds or whatever.
	When he placed 16th, right?
	Is that kind of what you're saying?
	Or when he won?
	No, when he won still.
	And like the year before he won, just like at the beginning of his reign.
	So what year would that be?
	That's a good question.
	Put Ronnie Coleman first Mr. Olympia.
	Put Ronnie Coleman first Mr. Olympia.
	First Mr. Olympia.
	Go to the picture to the right of that.
	Is that the one?
	No, he was on the left.
	He's younger.
	Yeah, look at that.
	He's young as hell.
	Look at his body.
	Dude, his biceps to me.
	Well, this guy, when he placed 16th, he was my favorite physique I would look at when I would buy Muscle Magazine and Flex.
	Ridiculous.
	But when he plays 16th, you're like, this guy looks insane.
	His biceps would build on top of each other and he had the layers on top of each other.
	There's something too that I always see the bodybuilding community just loves and respects about someone who's no bullshit, just loves to train, no drama, no gossip, just like in the gym, kicking ass, leaves and does their own thing, stays in their own lane.
	There's always people who come into the world of bodybuilding and people just love those people.
	A guy like him, you're like, a guy like him, yeah.
	He's not just a happy-go-lucky dude who just hard as fuck in the gym.
	Yeah.
	People just love it.
	And I remember when I interviewed him, I said, Ronnie, have you ever gone to a fight in your life?
	Never.
	I said, You ever had a fist fight?
	Never.
	You've never had a fist fight.
	Never.
	I mean, if you look at the guy, you're not going to want to fight him.
	And then I said, you ever punched somebody in the face?
	I've never punched anybody.
	I said, not even as a cop.
	Never.
	Well, I did.
	Classic story he said.
	I was a cop.
	Yeah, baby.
	But not.
	So click on that one right there, Rob to the right that shows all the years.
	No, what you just had right there.
	Yeah, click on the bigger one.
	See if it does.
	Is it a video or?
	So let's see this one here.
	This is kind of transitioning from 98, 2000.
	Look at 01.
	Wow.
	Look at that 0-1 picture, Vinny.
	Jeez, dude.
	Yeah.
	So you put him at the top, Rob.
	Do you have any of the pictures of Chris and Arnold right next to each other?
	This is the main one that everybody compares.
	Look at those physiques.
	Go to the next one, Rob.
	Look at that.
	Look at the stomach and the waist of Chris.
	Did that just keep going?
	Keep going.
	And Chris, that's just a 20, that's 24 hours.
	You just, everything you eat, everything has to be methodical.
	You can't even slip up at all.
	Yeah, I mean, every single year I've competed, it's gotten more and more locked in, and you see, you can keep seeing results, you know?
	It's no joke.
	This year, especially, because I have a lot more going on now with the businesses and travel and just life.
	I started to realize I was kind of overexpending myself on too many avenues.
	And, you know, if you want to be the top 1% in anything, you can't be the 1% in the next thing next to it.
	It's got to be one.
	So this year, at like 10 weeks out, I had been traveling too much.
	I was a little too stressed.
	My body wasn't feeling too hot.
	I was in Canada and I wasn't sleeping.
	I was overthinking.
	I had too much stuff on my mind.
	And it was just my body was in a high state of stress.
	And I tore my lat, lost a bunch of weight.
	All this shit was going on.
	And I came home and I was like, you're Mr. Olympia.
	Like, you can't do this by being a business owner and doing travel and all this shit.
	You have to just be Mr. Olympia right now.
	And I shut everything else out.
	I told my partners, I'm like, you got to take over the business and everything because I got to do this.
	And I just, everything was sleep at nine o'clock at the same day.
	Wake up, do cardio at the same time, eat, nap, train at the same time.
	Everything was just perfectly regimented for the entire prep.
	Chris, and this is when you went from 262 to 250, lost 12 pounds.
	Yeah.
	And yeah, it's a wild thing when it happens in that world because psychologically, you're like, wait a minute, what is this all about?
	It's a tough moment you're going through by yourself.
	And it's not like you're playing basketball or football that you have a teammate to rely on to come through that day because you're off.
	No, you are your teammate.
	You are the guy that everybody's looking at.
	The pressure is a different pressure.
	Go ahead, man.
	Well, I just realized we just realized that we look like hitmen for the mafia because we're both wearing black.
	That's how we make our money.
	That's how we roll.
	It's just we don't tell people about it.
	So, Chris, seeing what a lot of these ex Mr. Olympias, like health-wise, have to deal with after Ronnie Coleman's back.
	I followed his whole career.
	I felt really bad because I saw him in a wheelchair and his back was messed up to Arnold and his heart and all, you know, and a bunch of other athletes.
	But does that scare you at all?
	All the strain that you're putting on your body now.
	I know, because you spoke about this before on podcasts, that you have an autoimmune disease with your kidneys.
	Yeah.
	Correct?
	And now that you have, that's one question.
	And then now, I mean, you have a, we just mentioned that you have a kid.
	Congratulations coming.
	Do you know if it's a boy or a girl yet?
	I do, but my mother.
	When I got to say it, but like, is it worth it, Chris?
	Because I don't know how many more you want to keep going for.
	You know, it's stressful.
	You know it's totally on your body.
	You know what the future, if you keep going, holds.
	Is it still worth it?
	Because I mean, right now you could comfortably stop with your businesses, with your name.
	You're crushing it.
	And good for you.
	Is it worth it that now you could leave comfortable or are you going to just keep going because that's your dream, that's your vision, and that's what you want to do?
	I mean, it's definitely a consistent question I ask myself every year, and I've been very verbal that I take it one year at a time.
	You know, there's going to be a moment where I don't want to.
	And when you were asking me initially, what was that initial flip where I started to go all in on bodybuilding?
	And initially it was 2017 when I came second Olympia.
	But then it was 2018 when I got sick and I found out I have an autoimmune disease.
	And I was in the hospital for like a week in the middle of prep.
	And I came out of that and I didn't know if I'd be able to compete again.
	I didn't know if it would be my last year competing.
	I didn't know what was going to happen.
	And that's when I really was like, fuck, like my health could be an issue here.
	And luckily it was unrelated to bodybuilding.
	It's something that I had had. prior to me when I was born with.
	It had hit me when I was young and I didn't know what it was.
	But coming out of that, I was like, fuck, like, I could have lost it all right now.
	This is serious.
	Not only do am I grateful that I still have the opportunity to do this and I'm on borrowed time, so I better give it my all, but I better be a lot more cautious of my health.
	So I started to do a lot more blood work, a lot more check-ins with my doctors, a lot more, started reducing the amount of drugs I would take because I knew I could push my work harder rather than just drugs.
	Focus on what I ate, my inflammation, all these little things.
	And it's something I focused on.
	And it's also something where I knew I wouldn't have a 10, 15 year career.
	As much as I would love to keep going, because I know I could keep getting better and do this for 10 Olympias or so.
	It's not my dream.
	That's not your dream.
	To have 10 or so plus?
	No.
	I've always told people it won't be forever.
	I still don't know how many it's going to be.
	Right now, I'm like, I've been getting healthier over the years, not getting worse.
	So that's a huge sign for me that I'm still going in the right direction.
	My physique is still getting better.
	I know I still have more in me.
	So I still take time after the Olympia.
	I do my blood work.
	I do my check-in.
	And I just kind of check in with myself, see how motivated I am to keep pushing and how my health is doing.
	And then I make my decision if I'm going to do another one.
	Why do it?
	Why keep doing it though?
	Because the more you do it, are you getting more sponsorship money?
	And are you seeing money coming from elsewhere increasing?
	Like, you know what I'm saying?
	Like, you know, is there a correlation between five Mr. Olympias and, you know, we made $16.2 million the last 12 months.
	And on the fourth one, we were at 12.3.
	And on the third one, we were at 6.7.
	And on the second one, we were at 2.1.
	And on the first one, we were at $380,000.
	Is there a correlation with you more winning and more income and revenue coming in or not yet?
	I think in the first four, three to four, there definitely was.
	And whether or not that was also just time, you know, increasing at the same time.
	But now we actually just had this question asked to us the other day if we thought that me winning the Olympia has a big spike on the business.
	And our answer was no.
	You know, we've established a business to be bigger than myself now, which was always the goal.
	And I don't think it is anymore.
	And I obviously don't compete for the $50,000 check this year.
	And the reason I've never really pushed into caring about that check is because it's never why I've done it.
	And even if it was $400,000, I don't want $400,000.
	You know, my goals monetarily are bigger than that.
	My business always wanted to be bigger than that.
	I've never competed for that.
	You know, when I compete, it's for the legacy that I can build that I'm proud of.
	It's for the challenges that I know.
	You know, when you push yourself through something very difficult, that's how you learn about your true self.
	You uncover new levels that you can reach, new parts of yourself you didn't know about.
	And then when I'm at shows and I have moments of, you know, after my speech that I can give talking about hardships I've gone through, when people can relate to me talking about the stressful moments of me losing a bunch of weight, tearing my lat, wanting to quit all these things and not quitting.
	I have kids from 12 years old up to 30s or 40s coming up to me and these kids can write me a letter and they'll do something very personal.
	Like this is for Christopher, not C-bum, because they know I don't like C-bum's not me.
	I'm Christopher.
	You know, I've always stayed true to myself.
	And they'll be crying, telling me about how I've like helped them and how my journey and my stories motivate them.
	And that was never my intention.
	But just by going through this, I know I'm helping these people push themselves and try and create better versions of themselves as well.
	So while it's increasing me to be a better person, making people around me a better person, that's really what drives me consistently to keep doing this.
	And what I love so much about bodybuilding and, you know, the journey and the suffering that you go through to excel yourself as a man so much more than a bodybuilder.
	That's really what drives me now.
	And like I said, I think I have like, I could probably win 10 Olympias if I wanted to, but I'm going to pull earlier than that because of these reasons.
	What's worth it?
	What's the bigger regret I'm going to have in the future?
	Having 10 Olympias or being sick?
	Obviously, I'd rather have my health.
	That's why I'm asking the question.
	Because that's why I said you're loved and liked and admired.
	It's not, it's very hard to have all those three.
	Very, very hard.
	Because you can't act and have all those three.
	The only way you can have all those three is to be all those three.
	And you are all those three.
	So it's not a, hey, Christopher, what's the 17 steps to be loved, like, and admired?
	You can't do it.
	It's genetics.
	Part of it is your personality, your DNA.
	That's it.
	There's a part of it that you're.
	But let's go back to that.
	So Michael wanted to be the GOAT.
	So when he stepped away at three, you know, and we've all heard the stories, you know, last dance was at his father.
	The David Stern says step away for a year and a half.
	Then he comes back.
	But he stepped away from the game and wanted to go do baseball because, you know, his original love was baseball.
	And then he comes back and wins three more.
	But Michael wanted to be the GOAT.
	Like he wanted to be magic at five.
	I'm going to have six.
	It was one of those things, right?
	Brady comes, which we, I was with Brady, what, a couple months ago?
	We had him at the event.
	And I said, you know, the seven was seven because you wanted one more than Belichick or one more than Michael because Michael's got six championships and Belichick and him won six together.
	So did he want to win a seventh to say, I've done one more than two?
	Now, obviously, publicly, you may not reveal the true internal motives and drives to anybody else.
	You're like, yeah, you know, no, it wasn't the reason, but you know what?
	You know, I just kind of wanted to test myself.
	That's like the right answer to give.
	And then there's the answer of, no, I wanted to give him the middle finger and tell him I can win without Bill and I can win one more than Michael.
	And people got to stop saying that guy's the Jordan of the industry.
	No, they got to start saying that guy's the Brady of the industry.
	Do you relate more to a Michael and a Brady when you're by yourself?
	Or do you relate more to a Barry Sanders, a Calvin Johnson, some of these guys that left the game?
	I don't know if you know who Calvin Johnson is or who Barry Sanders is.
	And who Barry, not Calvin.
	Calvin Johnson, Megatron.
	No, 81 for the Lions.
	That guy was a, and by the way, one of the greatest physiques in the NFL ever.
	Both of these guys, just put NFL.
	Yeah.
	Calvin Johnson was one of the greatest receivers ever.
	And they retired early and they stepped away from the game.
	And whenever anybody would ask the question, say, Barry, why'd you leave so early?
	Yeah, I just left early.
	If you would have kept, you would have been past Emmett Smith.
	Everybody knew what that was.
	That's not what I'm doing the game for.
	So which of those two do you more relate to?
	The crazy guys like the Jordans and the Brady's or the guys that are doing it because they like it.
	And at one point, if they stepped away and they didn't beat anybody else, they're totally cool with it.
	It's funny because when I started my career, and I mean, it's impossible not to watch Michael Jordan and just feel fire burning in your heart.
	Everybody, no matter who you are, of course.
	He's like, that's why you say you're the Jordan of your industry.
	But when I was younger, he was a guy I looked up to.
	I read Relentless by Tim Grover, you know, The Last Dance Came in the middle of my career.
	A lot of these things going on.
	I was like, fuck, like, you know, kill everyone.
	Like, fuck the competition.
	I want to beat this guy, hold grudge, like all that stuff.
	I felt that and I was like, hell yeah.
	And then I started to kind of like think about that.
	And it didn't, it didn't line up with me.
	I read it and it lightened me, but it didn't line up with who I was and what I wanted to be.
	I wasn't so much of, I'm going to sacrifice my whole life to do this.
	It was like, no, I actually realized that I still get more joy from the relationships with my parents and my wife.
	And I like being friends with people and being friendly.
	I'm more lighthearted than that.
	I'm not the aggressive guy who's going to kill you.
	I'm just going to show up and do my best.
	And I'll try and bring everybody else around me up too.
	And I really realized that through part of my career.
	And that was when I realized that it wasn't, my goals weren't external to be the best compared to someone else.
	It wasn't the best to be in 20 years from now when someone else is trying to win, be like, no, you can't beat me because I had eight and you can only get five.
	It was truly.
	That does nothing for you.
	No.
	Okay.
	I can't say nothing.
	Everyone likes that a little bit.
	You know, I love the fact that I'm the champ right now and what comes with that.
	But what drives me more is truly being the best man I can be and knowing that will lead to me being the best father I can be.
	And that was all I've always been verbal about that.
	Number one thing I've always wanted to be in my life was a dad.
	And if being 10 times Mr. Olympia would take away from me being dad, fuck 10 times Mr. Olympia.
	That's not what I care about.
	That's true.
	That's kind of what I figure.
	That's kind of what I figure with.
	So if that's the case, I'm going to play the role of a manager and agent here without being one.
	All right.
	And I don't benefit from you doing anything.
	Okay.
	I don't make money off you.
	I don't get anything from you, but I like you a lot, right?
	Just like a from a fan perspective, just seeing a guy, I'm like, I just like this guy.
	You know how certain people you like, you just want to see that guy get whatever they want and you'd root for them.
	You give that vibe.
	Okay.
	And if that's the case and you have your baby that's due here soon in 2024, you don't relate to Michael.
	You're a February 2nd baby.
	Michael's a February 17th.
	Both of you guys are February babies.
	I don't know if you know this or not.
	You guys are a couple weeks apart.
	So, all right.
	So, no, I don't, that's not me.
	I read Relentless, and part of me goes, I'm like, no, that's not really me.
	If I have to choose between winning 10 and son, the hell with it.
	I would much rather choose this.
	So, if that's the case, and there's no correlation between you winning a sixth or seventh or an eighth or ninth or a tenth or any of that stuff, wouldn't it make more sense for you today to step away from the game and shock the hell out of the entire industry at a young age and start a supplement company,
	which you already, you know, of course, that's already taken place, but take that to a whole different level and encourage the youth: hey, yeah, you can have a good physique and all this other stuff, but there's more important things in life than winning 10 more.
	And forever, you're going to be the mythical figure that if this guy would have gone, he could have potentially won double-digit.
	Because what's the difference between five and six or seven?
	Nothing.
	The only other number that matters, you know, what's the other number that matters.
	It's nine.
	Yeah.
	So are you, are you want to go get nine?
	Yeah, I don't really give a shit if I go get nine.
	Yeah.
	And then the question then becomes: do I risk going another four?
	And what if I want to have two kids, three kids, four kids?
	I don't know how many kids you want.
	You're young.
	You can have 10 kids if you want, right?
	So more likely to have 10 kids than 10 Olympias.
	Yeah.
	You'd much rather have 10 kids than 10 Mr. Olympia.
	Yeah, probably.
	Okay, great.
	Dude, me too.
	I'd much rather have 20 kids.
	If I had them my way, I'd have as many kids as possible.
	But does that ever cross your mind where you're like, if there's no difference between five, six, seven, eight, the only thing that matters is nine.
	And even some of the people are going to say, well, you've never won an open anyways.
	It's not like it's this.
	You've never won an open.
	You know, yeah, if you came up and you won an open, then you would shock the hell out of the industry if you won that rod.
	Now you're really talking if you do that because now you're a five-timer and you're leveled up.
	So now you become a different story of, you know, he's a middleweight champion and he moved up to lightweight champion and then he moved up to light, heavyweight champion.
	You know, you're kind of going through that part.
	You know, does that at all cross your mind?
	It's crossed my mind for years, honestly.
	It's stepping away because it's either nine or no other number really matters.
	Yeah, and that's what it's truly been for myself for the last couple of years.
	And I know that.
	And this year, in the midst of my prep, when I was going through all that shit for a moment, I have a therapist and I remember talking to her and she told me this after.
	I was like, I don't know if I can even get through this one.
	Like, what I'm like, I felt so shitty.
	I was so down on myself.
	I was like, I literally don't even know if I can get through this one, if this is even worth it right now.
	Because I was just in a low spot.
	And she was like, you know what?
	If you step away, you know your family, your wife, everyone close to you will love you the same.
	Nothing will change other than the amount of trophies you have on your shelf.
	And you've always said that's not what you care about.
	And I really understood that.
	And that relieved a lot of pressure from myself.
	And then I was like, yeah, I'm not going to quit.
	You know, I'm still not going to give up on myself right now.
	It's not going to be in this low moment that I choose to quit.
	I'm going to push through this.
	And as I did, I was like, the relief of that pressure of knowing I don't need to win for anything right now, but I'm choosing to purely for myself.
	Big mindset.
	Huge difference.
	You know, and the fact that I got through that and discovered that on my own, I was like, fuck yeah, I can keep going and I'm going to kill this Fifth Olympia.
	And no one's going to even talk about someone coming second to me.
	And that's what I did.
	And also, what I learned this year was very in my relationship as it progressed so much in this.
	And I was talking to some Navy SEALs actually we had down, DJ Shipley and Cole Flackler of the GBRS group.
	They were down.
	We were talking about learning how to turn a dial back and forth of when you're putting into 1% being bodybuilder.
	And they were talking about going into perform as they do and then coming back to their families, how hard that is.
	And I don't want to compare that to what they do because that's top, that's top performance.
	But when me and my wife learned this year was she understood what I'm going through and how important this is to me.
	And she understanded that I am going to pull back from our relationship for a little bit and being the best relational husband I can be in order to be the best Mr. Olympia I can be.
	But she knows damn well it's going to be worth it.
	I'm going to put everything in my, when I'm off and I'm away from her, I'm giving 110%.
	And when I'm done, I'm coming back to her.
	And I learned how to kind of turn that switch back in the Mr. Olympia mode and back in a relational mode.
	And that's, I think, one of the most important things to learn.
	I imagine even you when you go to business mode and you're like, all right, we've got to do this, this, dad, a projection, this, that, and then you come home and you got to be dad, you know, you got to play with your kids.
	That's a knob you have to learn how to switch through you're not bringing work home onto them.
	So this is something now that bodybuilding has taught me on how to turn that knob back and forth that will make me a much better father.
	And then if I can manage that and balance things going on in my life much better, and it's not taking away too much from everything I have going on right now, my kid will still be a baby next year.
	My wife still understands what I'm going through.
	She's also a Miss Olympia from the past, so she gets it, you know?
	So there's all these things that are going through my mind.
	And not only did I go through a hard part at the beginning of my prep, but end on such a high, but my relationship was strong throughout it.
	And I don't want to talk to any of these goats like MJ, Brady, any of these guys.
	A lot of them, I believe, sacrificed a lot of their family time and relationships to get there, you know?
	So I don't want to do that.
	And I don't feel like I am right now.
	I don't feel like I'm pulling away from that for too long or too much, that it's actually hurting it long term and chipping away at it.
	And I work very hard on that side rather than just being a bodybuilder, but also being the best relational man that I can be in other aspects of my life.
	And I know it's not hurting that right now.
	That's why I have these checks in place where if I knew with my wife it was literally hurting our relationship, I would leave.
	I'd be done right now.
	If my health was decreasing, if decreasing, if I was doing my blood work and I was getting sicker every year, I'd be done right now.
	But I'm improving all these things.
	These things are all getting stronger.
	I'm happier than ever in my relationship.
	My business is getting better.
	My health is getting better.
	Everything's still progressing and I'm still enjoying what I do.
	And I still have that fire to keep pushing myself.
	So I'm like, why would I stop right now?
	You know, are you religious, Chris?
	You go to church or I'm not.
	No.
	I was raising Canada and I'm sure if I was somewhere else, you know, I might have been.
	So is Canada just overall just not a really big Christian?
	Where I'm from, it's not very religious.
	Ottawa.
	Ottawa, yeah.
	Ottawa.
	Yeah.
	A lot of Canadians believe in the church of Justin Trudeau.
	It's what they believe in.
	Oh, really?
	JT?
	Yeah, it's the Church of, not Latter-day Saints, it's the Latter-day Justin Trudeau.
	Justin Trudeau.
	I don't know if he is part of that camp, but some of those guys, some of those guys are.
	But on this topic, just because I want to get my question answered or maybe know where you're at.
	Is there, do you feel like, so you're committed to doing your six?
	You're going to go back for your six this year?
	I don't make that decision any, and this is why I've said this every year so people know I'm not bullshitting.
	I don't make that decision until I'm ready to start ramping up again.
	I haven't been training for a few weeks now and I'm just enjoying the fifth.
	Are you interested?
	Is there like a next impossible thing for you to do?
	You know what I'm saying?
	Is there the next thing where you kind of need the next challenge?
	Do you think about that or no?
	It's just routine.
	Because there's certain, like my dad is an April 10 baby, okay?
	And the significance of it is what you and I talk about off pre-podcast.
	He's born April 10th.
	And my dad can do the same thing every day for 40 years.
	He's excited.
	It's my dad.
	Okay.
	It's not everybody.
	Great skill to have.
	Great skill to have.
	It's a scary skill to have because the enemy is intimidated.
	The fact that you're still that excited, my dad is that guy.
	He'll just keep doing it.
	Won't get bored.
	He's good to go.
	Nobody can slow him down.
	He's 81 years old right now, in and out of hospital.
	He still goes.
	Can't stop him.
	Is there a next challenge where it's like, you know, babe, what I'm thinking about what?
	What if we decide to shock the world this year?
	And what's that?
	What do you think about if we made a run to go do XYZ?
	Does that thought at all cross your mind to want to run in the open or no?
	That's not even a thought you ever think about.
	It's definitely crossed my mind.
	And I've joked about it and people always ask me about it.
	But I mean, to go back to when I started, I almost retired when I turned pro because I didn't want to be an open bodybuilder.
	At 6'1, I'd have to be 300 pounds for you discovered that when you were trying to compete too.
	That's when I stepped away, by the way.
	Yeah, it's tough.
	So then when Classic Video came out, I was like, here's my chance to keep going.
	Let's go all in on this.
	And when I talk about how my health has been progressing, it's because of all the little things I've taken away from and added and changed to focus on that outside of just being huge.
	And I think to go in the open, I would have to mitigate those things that I've put in for my health checks.
	And I'm not willing to risk that.
	So if I ever competed, it would be a similar look to these pictures how I look now, but maybe a little bit fuller, less lean, just so I was a little bit heavier.
	But I wouldn't want to push myself to that.
	And I also don't like the idea of competing to not be as competitive as possible.
	So it'd be hard for me to go in the open knowing I could be doing more to be more competitive and not doing it.
	Yeah.
	So that's challenging for me.
	So it's on my mind.
	Would it be fun?
	Absolutely.
	But it's not really in the cards right now.
	And I figured that's kind of where you would be at because when I sit there and I think about it from the standpoint of, you know, what it would do to get a sixth, seven, eighth, it's really the ninth that would matter.
	So which means you got to take it one year at a time.
	And you can't let the media and whoever these annoying people that ask the stupid questions, the tough questions.
	I don't know any of these guys, but some people tend to ask these crazy questions that get you thinking.
	You're like, I don't want that pressure.
	I'm doing whatever I'm doing, talking to my family, my wife, my friends, my mentors, my peers.
	And that's the route I'm going to take.
	But I think I'm like, you know, if a Chris gave the same thing he's giving right now to Mr. Olympia classic physique, what if he did that to his business at this time?
	How much can he scale that to?
	Because, you know, you saw what Bill Phillips did with Muscle Media, sold it, you know, got $100 million, couple hundred million dollars.
	You saw what that was EAS back in the days and how that supplement took off.
	And you're seeing right now drink and all these things.
	Do you really need Mr. Olympia to get to 30 million followers?
	I mean, you'll post something on Instagram.
	You'll get a million likes in a heartbeat.
	It's not like you getting a million likes.
	It's not like, oh my God, it's got a million likes.
	To you, it's just like a regular Tuesday when you post something.
	You really, your audience is like fully behind you, right?
	And how do you monetize that?
	Because all that's going to do is that's just going to make your children wealthier generationally, make the Bumstead legacy bigger in the future.
	And there's timing in that.
	And there's a storytelling in that.
	That's the only reason I ask the question to say, what is the next challenge?
	If the challenge isn't to go to the next level, which I would not at all recommend doing as a friend, I would say don't even, I wouldn't waste my time with that.
	Then what is the next challenge?
	I don't think nine is the challenge.
	I think the challenge would be there's a massive opportunity to change the game today.
	And to be able to influence and change the game, you have to have loyalty, an audience.
	You have to be liked or you can persuade.
	You have to be transparent, vulnerable.
	You know, check, check, check.
	And you have to do it when you're peaking, winning, and you leave people behind.
	You're kind of like, oh, Michael, why did you step away after the six?
	You could have won a seven or it's like that feeling.
	That's why I asked the question to see what the next big challenge is for a guy like you.
	And obviously, winning the open is not on that list.
	No.
	Yeah.
	And I mean, there's definitely more I can put into business.
	And right now I have the best partners ever.
	And the reason our businesses are doing so hot right now are because of my partners who can handle the back end of business when I need to step away from bodybuilding.
	There's definitely more we can tap into.
	But when I talk with my wife about like the next step and what really drives me right now, I reflect back on the things that light up my heart the most right now, the little things that come and it's it's the inspiration.
	It's the help I give like the younger generation, the kids I hear, the stories I get, the letters I get, all this shit.
	There's nothing I like, it brings tears to my eyes now when I like read these things.
	And I'm like, there's something in that that is my next challenge.
	I know like, like I'm not religious based off of pure religion, but I am, I have spiritual beliefs.
	I believe in the higher power and I have like beliefs in the world.
	And there's something in that realm that calls me and I know that to give back.
	You know, bodybuilding is a very selfish thing.
	It starts very selfish.
	It's just I want to be big and then it begins a bit more.
	I can bring up my family and my friends and my community.
	And then there's some aspect that calls me to be able to give back more because I've been given so much.
	I've so blessed.
	Like when I tell you what I thought I was going to be done bodybuilding when I got sick, everything else has just been bonus.
	And I'm so grateful for it.
	And I just want to be able to give back some of those feelings that I've had to others.
	And the next challenge is going to be figuring out how and then executing on that.
	Well, you're 28, bro.
	You got plenty.
	You're ain't 45.
	An old fart.
	You're 28, you got a lot of...
	Are you saying I'm an old fart?
	You and I are 45, both of us.
	My back hurts this whole podcast.
	My back has been hurting.
	I just want you to this guy's 28 with a champion.
	I know.
	He's ridiculous.
	Do you realize like how weird that is?
	Like Michael won his first.
	How old was Michael when he 31?
	31 years.
	I don't know how old he was.
	He 30 or 31?
	He won his first.
	This is 28.
	He's on his fifth, which is pretty wild.
	So, Chris, so Pat, I don't know if you know Pat's second book came out, Choose Your Enemies Wisely.
	I personally, when I heard that, when I heard him writing, because since I've been here a year and a half, I've been here and choose your enemies.
	And I thought that's a bad thing.
	I'm like, why would you want enemies?
	But then I realized, you know what I mean?
	Especially like in our job, entertainment enemy.
	People are going to think you're out searching for these people.
	But I realize that you need these people to help motivate you.
	I just literally just finished listening to his book.
	I can't read because I have ADD and everything.
	But do you have any enemies?
	Do you have anybody that drive you to keep going?
	That you have these people or these organizations in your mind that push you, that drive you?
	Competitively in bodybuilding?
	In general, all around business, competing, personal, people that bullied you, like anything that makes you go, I'm taking this shit to prove to these people, to prove to that person, to push you.
	Not in any huge aspects, no.
	I mean, you know, it's always fun to have a rival and competitive aspects.
	And when I started and I was coming second two years in a row, it was Breon Ansley, the guy who beat me two years in a row.
	We were the only true people I've ever competed against that really had that rivalry where we were kind of like you know smile and shake hands, but I knew he'd turn his back and he was like he took my fucking champion.
	Fuck that guy, you know, and I and I respected him for it.
	You should think that you should fuck me, you know, you shouldn't like me because I'm coming to steal your shit.
	Yeah.
	And then he retired last year and it was like it was the coolest moment ever because it was literally like you cut a cord between us.
	He was retired and he was done and we were just like, hugged him.
	We were on stage actually and he knew he I won and I give him a hug and I was like, thank you, man.
	Like you really like, you pushed me back when I was second.
	And thank you for this challenge and this rivalry because when you compete, there's few things more fun than having a rival and kicking his ass.
	And he lit that up in me.
	But since then, honestly, no one really has that fire to come up and kill me.
	And like, I'm super nice to everyone backstage because I know I'm going to kick their ass.
	You know, I'll shake their hand.
	Guys come back and they ask me for selfies.
	They're dope.
	They're getting on the stage with me and they're like, hey, can I get a picture with you before we go on there?
	I'm like, yeah, sure, man.
	Like, come on.
	And then, and I know damn well they're not going to beat me.
	You know, if you're going to beat me or not, ask me for a picture.
	You know what?
	You're going to fucking glare at me across the room.
	Of course.
	You're not going to talk to me.
	That's the only way you're going to beat me.
	So none of these guys are there yet, which is fun, but it's, I have no rivalries anymore right now.
	This guy who comes second, amazing bodybuilder.
	Brazil.
	Brazil Ramon, absolutely amazing, great guy.
	He doesn't speak English.
	Where are his forearms, by the way?
	He was stupid.
	Is it as big as it looks?
	If we stand beside each other in a t-shirt, you'd be like, that guy's winning.
	This guy's crazy.
	That's the first thing that to me, I'm like, that just doesn't make how tall is this guy?
	I think he's 5'11.
	Okay, so he's tall.
	He's pretty tall.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, but that picture doesn't do justice, though.
	You got to go a little closer when he's like not posing.
	Forearms.
	No, that doesn't do just.
	He knows.
	Right there.
	Look at him.
	Yeah, that shows it.
	Yeah.
	Oh, my God.
	What?
	His arms are huge.
	His forearms are the same size as his biceps.
	He's like 15, 20 pounds lighter than me, I think, on stage, but his arms are way bigger.
	So, but I see you when you see him.
	I still see the way you look at him.
	I see how you look at him.
	You look at him like, you know, you're not beating me.
	Like, you almost look at him like, nice to see you, buddy.
	But I see that the look is with the smile and the smirk like you see from Pump and Iron, where, you know, Arnold was toying with Lou and saying, Lou, you're six months out.
	You know, I mean, you're good.
	But if you only had three or six more months, you may have had a chance.
	And the dad corrects him and says, no, he needs three or six months.
	And he's having, you've seen that scene with.
	Oh, but his mom with the whole family.
	Yeah.
	I see you.
	I see you to see that.
	That's the part where I think there, like, even right now, the psycho competitor came out for split second.
	There's no way you're going to win five.
	There's a part about competition also is to make your opponent think you're not that competitive, right?
	There's different styles of competition.
	There's a side of competition that's just like to hide, which is how Dorian Yates did it.
	Everybody hated competing against Dorian because everybody would compete in two, three, four competitions throughout the year.
	Yeah.
	Dorian would only do one.
	Yeah.
	And they would be so pissed.
	And he would never party.
	He would never go out.
	And he would go back to London, UK, wherever he was at.
	And this guy hung out with gangsters.
	UK's got some tongue.
	He's a thug.
	Yeah.
	And then he would come out.
	They're like, freaking A, this guy's back.
	How the hell am I going to beat that?
	He's just stupid.
	But your style comes across as I'm just a nice guy.
	You know, it's who I am.
	And then deep down inside, you're like an assassin.
	But you hide it well.
	Yeah.
	So there's an assassin there that you do not reveal except when it comes time to win.
	And you give him that look to say, you excited about being second place?
	Because that's exactly where you're going to be.
	That's what you're fighting for.
	Do you feel that way?
	Do you?
	For sure, yeah.
	You know, and it's definitely an aspect of my personality.
	It's just like the smile, befriendless, everyone, but like they don't have it, you know?
	And they and they'll, and I think they all, they seem to all know it because they're all friendly and they all love me too, you know?
	And they're all great guys.
	It's difficult when you have such great guys you compete against, but it's definitely fun.
	And I do the same aspect of Dorian.
	You know, I only compete once a year.
	And I'll talk to them.
	Second place, third place, I'm friends with them.
	Ramon and Airs.
	I'll go up to them.
	I'll be like, I know you want to do the Arnold.
	I know you want to win the Arnold.
	Don't.
	I'm like, if you want a chance to beat me, you need to take the next 12 months to beat me.
	But if you start doing the Arnold and all this shit, I'm like, I'm recovering for three months.
	And then I'm training for nine.
	You are getting into another prep and then recovering from that.
	And then doing, like, you're putting yourself behind when I'm already ahead of you.
	And you're telling them this directly.
	I've told them that.
	Yeah, I have.
	But they're like, I want to win the Arnold.
	How much does the Arnold pay when you win?
	Is it also 50Ks or less?
	I don't know.
	I've never done it.
	I think it's 50 or less, but I'm not 100%.
	What's your relationship with Arnold?
	What kind of relationship do you guys have?
	Scarce.
	I've only spoken to him maybe twice, I think.
	Really?
	Yeah, I've never really spoken much to him.
	Is that more from your end or his end?
	I think it's a bit of both.
	Okay.
	I've never attempted to communicate with him.
	He's never really attempted with me.
	We met once and he gave me congratulations, shook my hand, said.
	Congrats, and he just walked away.
	Congrats, Chris.
	He's a little checked out from the industry now.
	You know, I think he's been kind of verbally.
	He's not a huge fan of the way the Open's gone and stuff.
	He's more of a fan of the super critical for the whole stomach that GH Man is doing to it.
	Which, by the way, I love that criticism that he's given.
	I love it that he's doing too.
	Who did he not give Arnold to?
	And then two years later, he said, you got to fix the belly.
	And then he finally gave it to him and he won.
	I don't know who it was.
	There was somebody.
	Was it Ramy?
	Big Ramy?
	Was it Ramy?
	It could have been Remy.
	I don't know who it was.
	If it was Ramy or if it was another ponytail, he's down here in Florida.
	Got a great physique as well.
	Fantastic physique dancer.
	He was a great poser.
	Oh, Kai Green?
	Kai Green, yeah.
	So I don't know who it was, but there was somebody I remember like, hey, you got to do something about the stomach.
	And then they did.
	And then he went and picked it up.
	So Arnold, then you know, is there anything of competitiveness between the two or not at all?
	Being compared by the marketplace, hey, who's got a better physique?
	All that stuff?
	I don't know.
	I haven't talked to him enough to really know.
	I'm not sure.
	I don't like, I'm not a huge fan personally because of, I mean, I was always a fan of Arnold, but the moment COVID and everything hit and he was making those videos from home going, you know, screw your freedom, that, dude, that just that one simple thing took me from respecting him to where, especially with that accent, telling people to hell with your thing, which if you don't mind, Pat, because I wanted to ask, Chris, we touched on Trudeau.
	Dude, every single Canadian I talked to, zero.
	I have not heard one person be like, I really, really like Trudeau.
	They were complaining about, you know, the increased homelessness, the poverty, the crime, the way he, he's basically a dictator, especially with COVID, what he did with the truckers, with the protesting.
	And I know I'm pretty sure, I want to know your thoughts on him and where the future of Canada is going.
	And also the second question, I'm pretty sure everybody's always like, Chris, and steroids and needles, did you have to take the vaccine?
	Were you in Canada where they were forcing it?
	You know, you talk about political answers.
	Yeah.
	I don't want to dive too deep into that political side of things.
	Yeah.
	Obviously.
	And I don't think anyone in the whole country, including myself, is a fan of the guy.
	It's kind of hard.
	And what do they, like, how long till is there a point where they're going to be able to get rid of his ass?
	Or he just seems like he's been there forever.
	I think it's similar to America where you can only be re-elected twice.
	So it's coming to an end soon.
	And I definitely have increasingly saw a shift of the whole country being like, fuck this guy, kind of, you know, and especially after COVID.
	And I even saw a shift in the morale of the country.
	You know, you go into stores after COVID and it's shifting back a little bit now.
	But I mean, we were three years locked down in mass, only allowed to go to grocery stores.
	People came out of that different.
	You know, a large scale of people were heavily depressed, even if they weren't feeling more depressing or didn't know they were.
	They were definitely more antisocial.
	You go to a grocery store, people don't say hi to you, don't look at you anymore.
	You know, in Florida, you walk around, people are just like, oh my God, look at your muscles.
	What's up, boy?
	Like, people are just like trying to make out with you.
	They don't give a damn.
	You know, in Canada, it's a lot more.
	I saw that shift of it being like, and Canadians are always known for being very politically correct and nice and shit.
	And I've heard more people than ever being like, fuck this guy.
	Yeah, I can't imagine it's not going to shift another way.
	And I'm hoping we can see a swing in the full realm of North America back in the direction where people feel a little bit more happy with the way the upper scale is going.
	But just say, yeah, and you nailed it.
	Just like the four, and I get it.
	I get what their entire plan was from, I mean, from the Wuhan and the whole situation.
	But the thing that you're talking about, people aren't, we're not going to recover.
	The children aren't going to recover from that little gap in time that just ruined them.
	I was watching a video, Pat.
	I know you would have been pissed off.
	And I'm pretty sure we've all seen it.
	It's of this little kid, maybe three years old, two years old, and the teacher is forcing this mask on the kid.
	The kid is crying hysterically and doesn't want.
	They're like, no, no, no, the damage has already been done.
	So like that, when you talk about that and I see that type of guy, 100% globalist, ruining the country.
	And again, not one person I've heard, like, even if you're here, we see these polls that come out.
	Yeah, that's the video right here.
	This poor kid is crying, and the teacher is just.
	I don't know where this was.
	Oh, I'm thinking.
	But they're like, look at what we did to our children.
	It was a bit of a poor kid.
	Are you saying this because you're suggesting Mr. Olympia start forcing them to wear masks?
	That's kind of where you're going to work.
	No, but you stop this, Rob.
	But yeah, it really pisses me off.
	But Crystal, so vaccine, everybody in Canada was basically forced to do it.
	Yeah, if you wanted to work or travel or anything, you had to, yeah.
	And they were checking at restaurants.
	And now with all the heart diseases that are happening, myocarditis is on the rise, cardiac arrest.
	There was a video I saw of a major or captain in the United States Navy.
	He pulled out this sheet.
	95% of his pilots are all having heart problems right now, and there's going to be zero accountability for what they force on him.
	Politically, there's this new guy in Canada who is like the lat Pierre Marcel, I believe.
	I don't know if you know who he is or not, who's going around.
	Pierre Vera?
	Yeah, that's who it is, Pierre Olivera, who seems very, very interesting.
	And Justin cannot stand this guy.
	And that's a good sign, Pat.
	No, no, this is a quality guy in Canada that a lot of people are pretty excited about to see what happened.
	And my experience with Canadians has always been great.
	These are the drink coconut.
	They're fun and they're good to be around.
	They're just chill.
	You know, it's just in the last few years, Justin.
	Justin made people look at Canadians in a different way.
	Some Canadians are like, dude, I'm not that guy.
	I'm just a Canadian.
	I'm just a simple guy.
	And I don't know what he's done.
	So, because now when you look at a Canadian, you're like, man, he must probably be like that guy as well.
	No, a lot of them are leaving here.
	Florida is where it attracts a lot of Canadians, anyways.
	But let's go back to bodybuilding.
	I want to wrap up with a couple other thoughts here before we finish up.
	Okay.
	So relationship.
	What's your relationship with steroids?
	Because for me, when I was first wanted to get into bodybuilding, I was talking to this guy in the gym who was taking steroids.
	And he says, before you do anything, read the steroids Bible.
	This is 30 years ago.
	You know, there's edition one, two, three, four, five, and all this stuff.
	And then there's a couple other books that have been written about this.
	Back then, there was a video done with Mr. Olympia guys being interviewed with their faces was blurry, and they're all answering as if you can't recognize who's who.
	You don't want to stop class that's Ronnie Gomez.
	Like, you can recognize your body more than their face.
	All of it.
	What are you guys doing hiding yourself?
	know who you are but it was a way of saying well you know the truth about steroids and oh my god yeah we don't use them and everybody was uncomfortable talking about it right now people are more open to say here's what i've done here's what i've done what does the average person not know about steroids that they need to know everything there's probably a lot to it and i mean it's funny i was doing a i did a q a in dubai the other week and some kid just literally probably 17 asked me if he should get on steroids and i'm like no like first of all I always tell people,
	if you have to ask someone else, you shouldn't.
	And the side effects to it can vary so greatly depending on the person, you just never know what you're going into.
	You know, you could do one cycle and then your natural testosterone could be dumped for the rest of your life or you have to be on TRT forever.
	It can make you infertile.
	It can lead to more risk of heart disease, you know, increase of cholesterol.
	It can affect your liver, all your organs.
	It can be very damaging, especially when abused, which is typically people can get addicted, not addicted like a drug, but you get addicted to the result and how you feel, how you look and all that stuff.
	So I definitely recommend anyone at a young age, don't even begin to touch it.
	If your physique is still progressing, don't even think about touching it.
	And if you're not thinking about doing this bodybuilding thing forever, then don't even think about touching it.
	Because some people have an idea they want to compete and are like, I'm going to do my first cycle and compete.
	And then they compete and they hate bodybuilding because it sucks.
	It's a lot shittier than you think it is when you get into it, especially at a high level.
	And then now you've done this potentially long-term damage to your body just for a 12-week prep to try and compete and you can't go back on it.
	It's just not worth it.
	So I just always tell kids, it's sad it's even to kids, but to wait as long as possible to even think about it.
	Make sure that your nutrition, your recovery, your training is all perfect and it's been perfect for years to the point where you've hit your natural plateau where you can't really make progress anymore.
	And then entertain, well, is it really worth it to you?
	Understand the risk.
	Is the risk worth it to you?
	Is it going to be a long-term thing?
	Are you building a career, going to school, and this is just like a side hobby?
	And is that really worth risking your health?
	How do you educate yourself?
	Like, if I want to learn, if I want to learn more, how do I start?
	Okay.
	Because today, if you're above 40 and you go see a, not a doctor, there's some of these guys that you go to and, hey, I'm a lifestyle doctor.
	Anytime you hear words like this, lifestyle, you know, we can get you on TRT, peptides, all this other stuff.
	Let's see your blood levels.
	Let's see your blood test.
	Oh, okay.
	Your testosterone level is only 320.
	You know, that's not good for your heart.
	And there's a book that came out called The Ageless Man that anybody under they tested with rats.
	And, you know, if your testosterone level is below this, it's actually got an increased chance of a heart attack and all this stuff.
	This book that came out, you know, he just learned a lot of people talk about this.
	And then they get you on TRT, right?
	So you need to get at this level.
	If somebody wants to learn more about steroids to go and educate themselves, how should they start?
	It's definitely challenging.
	And I think the world of TRT is different than steroids, the way I look at it.
	Steroids are a little more underground.
	They're higher doses, more compounds, more things going on.
	I think if you're over the age of 35 and you have low T, I think TRT is a great thing for you.
	I think being able to have that energy and be healthy and burn body fat to have this capability is healthier than taking a little bit of TRT.
	So learning it, it's hard.
	You know, there's a bunch of people on the internet now who talk a lot of bullshit and a lot of people who are really good.
	So it's hard to differentiate that.
	But in any aspect, you can get shitty business advice.
	You can get good business advice.
	You have to do a lot of research and be smart enough to think for yourself.
	You have to have people you trust who are maybe in the industry, maybe some doctors who are a little less mainstream and more progressive who can actually communicate to you about it.
	But also once you hear something from them, research it.
	You know, learn how to properly research, get backed articles, multiple sources, all this stuff.
	It's a difficult world out there with so much information.
	Being able to understand anything, it all has a risk of being bullshit.
	Yeah, a lot of doctors you talk to, they don't even know.
	You go to a doctor and say, what do you know about this?
	I don't know.
	It's not good for you.
	It's not this.
	this is not okay.
	And then, you know, the key then becomes some people you go to, they give you too much of it.
	They're like, no, here's what you got.
	It's not going to do anything.
	You're going to be all right.
	So it's important whose counsel you take because there's the extremes on both sides.
	One that is zero tolerance at all.
	I don't want to know nothing about it.
	And there's another side that is extreme.
	The source becomes like, who do I trust to go talk to where I can get this intel from?
	And is there a book or a website or an article or somewhere to go to where you like start here and then go from there or no?
	No, really, no.
	Really?
	No.
	Not that I would ever come across myself.
	Not the fact that you would ever come across yourself.
	How did you learn about it?
	Like for even you to be a worrier at like, who did you, like maybe not even a name, but was it yourself?
	Like, hey, everybody's talking about this.
	What is Anadraul 50?
	What is DECA?
	What are the compounds that do well together?
	Is Winnie good for you?
	What's Windstraw?
	What's water-based?
	What's oil-based?
	What's oral?
	What's this?
	What's that?
	Like, how did you start learning about all this stuff?
	Or was it the fact that maybe you had somebody in your life that had all of the years of education where you had an edge because somebody could tell you, don't waste your time with this.
	Do this.
	This is what this guy did.
	That's what these guys are using.
	Let's go research that.
	Let's start out with the blood.
	Is that where kind of you had a little bit of insight?
	It was definitely a bit of both of that.
	You know, and I've always been a relationship person and I'm building relationships is like the biggest thing, progressing in anything, having people you can trust.
	So I had people who could trust who were helping me and they were always like, minimum effective dose, always.
	Start with the least possible and then go up from there.
	And then at a young age, I had to run in with my health issues.
	And that's when I was like, okay, well, like, this didn't cause it, but it could make it worse.
	So you hear things like Trend and Anadrol and all these things.
	And these are the hardcore ones.
	All right.
	Hardcore usually means harder on your body as well.
	If it works more, it's probably harder on your body.
	Stay away from those.
	Do the more, if you can get it prescribed from a doctor, it's probably more research and healthier.
	You're going to be doing higher doses than a doctor would, but minimum effective dose.
	Start as small as possible and slowly increase.
	You know, you don't need to throw the kitchen sink at it to start.
	You start small and slowly progress over time and change every other variable before that variable.
	You know, if you can change, I've still been progressing my recovery, my nutrition, my training, everything has been getting better over the years so that I can change all those variables.
	And I haven't had to change the amount of stereos I take for the last five years.
	It's decreased over my career.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	No shit.
	I mean, muscle maturity too.
	Yeah, of course.
	You know, I've only been training for, I've been training for like 14 years, but it's not that long in the world of bodybuilding.
	No.
	I'm only 28 and I'm still, my body's just staying the same weight, but I look more mature, more dense over time.
	So I don't need to be just like blasting shit to get huge.
	I'm fine-tuning everything else, training harder, and I've been able to progress with my work ethic, you know?
	And there's a lot more to say about that than there is just taking more drugs.
	Is there any website, AI, that you can look at someone's physique and you put your physique there to say, you can actually have a physique that one day you could compete for Mr. Olympia?
	Is there anything like that that exists or no?
	I don't know.
	You know why I asked that question?
	The reason why I asked that question is because some people think they can't.
	And you can, do you think you can generally tell with a kid after he works out for about a year, like you have the right physique that if we build it probably, like, you know, the endomorph, the mesomorph, the ectomorph, all that stuff, to say, you could actually do something with this body here.
	Do you know what I'm saying?
	Like, you look at a 16-year-old kid, like, this kid's got something cured with the body that it puts together.
	Or you're like, no, I disagree.
	I think you got to go five years to see if somebody's got it.
	I would say there's, I mean, there's a scale to everything.
	Of course.
	There's the people with EWOS genetics in the world where you could imagine if they could train for a year and they can't even lose body fat or it's very hard to, it's probably going to be difficult for them or if they're 110 pounds.
	And yeah.
	But in the middle realm where most people lie, I would say it takes years to really see if you can or not.
	Because I've seen people who have trained for a long time and look good.
	And I'm like, you know, they're okay.
	And then they start learning a little bit different.
	They find a new edge of how hard they can train.
	And all of a sudden their physique changes in a year more than it did the past three years.
	So it's everybody's so different.
	I just say that because when you see Arnold when he was at 16, 17, the way his chest would stay up or you would look at you younger, like look at the way you're doing.
	I mean, I would say at a Mr. Olympia level.
	Yeah.
	Then you can probably tell when they're young.
	Yeah.
	If you don't have a, like that first picture of me with that headband and that green shirt.
	Yeah, yeah, that's the one.
	I was in high school.
	Full natural, been training for a few years.
	You know, I'd just been learning how to eat.
	I was just eating a lot.
	I didn't know properly how to.
	And obviously I had a hell of an amount of muscle on me for a high school student.
	Are there any supplements for you where you like to, these are some of the go-to supplements that I would, you know, spend some time researching and looking up more?
	Because back in the days, you know, it's very trendy, right?
	Oh, creatin, oh, HMBO, V2GO, you know, CLAO, all this stuff.
	Is there anything where it's like these supplements, you know, whether you want to be a bodybuilder or not, your body may need some of this.
	This is what you want to look up.
	And then some of the ones, if you are a bodybuilder and you're competing, these are some of the go-to supplements.
	And maybe it's some of them that you sell yourself.
	Yeah, I mean, I always look at things that stand the test of time.
	Creatine monohydrate, it's the most basic, cheapest thing you can buy.
	It's been researched the most and it's been proven to work the most.
	And it absolutely does work.
	It's not going to be like steroids where you can change your life, but it will help your recovery and your progress and you will get better from taking it.
	And then based off that, it's just nailing nutrition in my eyes.
	You know, pre-workout can help you have a harder workout, get more vasodilation, get a little more blood flooding of the muscles, but it's not necessary.
	It just helps.
	Protein, powder, I think, is a huge help because if I'm having to get over 200 grams of protein in a day, it's hard to get that from food inexpensive.
	A shake will help you get there.
	But other than that, everything else is just kind of bonuses that aren't really needed.
	And I've gone through Olympia preps where all I've taken was creatine and protein.
	And then everything else was taking steroids, of course, but it was focused more on diet nutrition.
	Got it.
	Got it.
	And this is me owning a supplement company, being completely honest.
	Nutrition and how you eat is the most important thing.
	I got this article here about superfoods.
	You know, sometimes superfoods are like, hey, here's a, you know, it's a very trendy topic.
	And so here we go.
	Superfoods you should be eating, according to a dietitian, a U.S. News and World report.
	Superfoods are nutrients, rich foods that can have positive effects on health due to their high level of fiber, vitamins, minerals, antioxidants.
	And, you know, Joe Bauer, a health and nutrition expert, defines superfoods as wholesome food that inherently has components that can improve health.
	And those foods are typically low on unhealthy ingredients like salt, sugar, and saturated fat.
	Some of the superfoods, does it have a listed here what some of the superfoods are, Rob, or no?
	Diet rich in fruits, you know what I'm saying?
	Are there any superfoods like, hey, liver?
	Yeah, you know, is there heart or is there any superfood you say, these are some of the things that I have on my diet?
	Or no, it's just steak and fish and chicken.
	It's pretty simple.
	It's all healthy stuff.
	I think, you know, fruits, I think whole foods.
	Eating as much variety of whole foods is the best thing that you can do, single-ingredient foods.
	If anybody changed their entire diet to single ingredient foods, you'd be healthier.
	The less processed shit you eat, the better.
	And you talk about like low testosterone and stuff going on right now.
	I think a lot of that is from processed foods, you know, having shitty crops.
	So a lot of the natural foods are even shitty over here.
	Microplastics and everything, all that stuff.
	I think that's really leading to low testosterone in men.
	And they've proven some of it has happened.
	It's kind of like underage studies that people don't look at too much.
	But I think a lot of that comes from diet and lifestyle.
	And it's hard in America.
	And everybody says it.
	And I experienced it for the first time myself this year.
	You go to Italy for 10 days and you eat whatever the fuck you want.
	You'll lose weight.
	You'll feel great.
	You'll have great energy.
	Oh, shit.
	Look amazing.
	I literally was like getting leaner eating pasta and pizza all day.
	I was like, what the fuck?
	I came back from Italy.
	I was like, all right, I'm going to get back on diet and started eating on diet and it felt like a little more inflamed.
	It didn't feel as good.
	I was like, How many fat Italians do you see?
	Means that you're not.
	When you go to Europe, how many fat Italians?
	You don't see a lot of fat Italian people.
	No, they're walking everywhere.
	We're ubering.
	The lifestyle, the walking, the food.
	Yeah, the soil.
	But part of it is the processed food.
	I mean, there's this article here about eight major factors that cause low testosterone levels.
	One, aging, okay, which makes sense.
	Testosterone naturally declines with age, starting in the 40s and significantly dropping at around 50.
	About 20% of men over 60 have levels that would qualify as low.
	Excess weight.
	Obesity is linked to low testosterone levels due to factors like leptin inhibiting production.
	Low testosterone can lead to reduced physical activity and weight gain, creating a vicious cycle.
	Okay, three, testicular problems, conditions affecting the testicles, like undescended testicles or cline felter syndrome.
	What the hell is that?
	Rob, can you pull that up to see what that is?
	Don't Google image that one though.
	Yeah, don't do it.
	It's where boys and men are born with an extra X chromosomes package of genes found in every cell in the body.
	There are two types of chromosomes called the sex chromosome and determine the genetic sex of a baby.
	Okay.
	Four, pituitary disorders, issues with pituitary gland or lower hormone levels potentially due to conditions like the Kalman syndrome, chronic health conditions, lack of sleep, diet, certain drugs and medication, chemotherapy, substance abuse, and other drugs can disrupt testosterone production.
	What are other things that people do that lower testosterone levels and what can they do naturally to increase their testosterone levels?
	I mean, a lot of the stuff that I hear is kind of taboo, kind of not proven yet.
	But I really do think that processed food in general does that.
	I think the pesticides we spray on our crops is kind of infecting a lot of our food.
	That's really impossible to avoid.
	I think microplastics and water and in our food and all of the way everything is just helped can affect that as well.
	And I think going back to the way we used to do things in the past is the best way to do it.
	I think obesity is led from, like you said, less walking.
	People are just way less active now.
	I think it's just depression as well can be it.
	I think that's a conversation that is endless.
	But having a community in the past, like a community that you spoke with and helped and gave back to, walked around with, saw and spoke to every day rather than driving places, being on your phone and not talking to anyone, just affects your mood overall.
	And, you know, my wife is huge on a lot of these natural things.
	So we really try and only drink water out of glass bottles.
	She probably wouldn't let me drink this.
	But like we have to do.
	She would like to drink plastic.
	She would, but she tries.
	We try as best as we can to avoid plastic, you know, like glass Tupperware.
	We have a big five-gallon Mountain Valley thing that's all glass as well, just avoiding as best as possible.
	And some people say this is like crazy spirit.
	No, this is great.
	This is crazy.
	I mean, when you think about it logically, it makes a lot of sense.
	And there have been a lot of studies on it that people can look into themselves that haven't maybe gotten attention they need to, but there are probably a lot of people who don't want anyone to have the tension on these things.
	So it's hard to say.
	And I think going back to the way as naturally things can be, pushing your body and training to different levels, I believe will help testosterone increase, whether it just be walking more, if you're very stagnant, having a little bit of walking, training, you know, pushing high progressive overload and training weights naturally can help bring up your testosterone a little bit.
	The healthier you are, the more sleep you get.
	Sleep is huge, especially in growing teenagers.
	If you're like on your phone all night, getting shitty sleep, eating processed foods, being stagnant, I believe it will result in less testosterone as you age.
	Whereas if you're getting eight plus hours of sleep and eating healthy and training hard, it's going to help you a lot more.
	Chris, not to cut you off.
	Patroj.
	Can you put, are you staying on the top?
	Yeah, I was just going to say about, because, you know, I know you've been following, like, Bill Gates has been buying up all this farmland.
	They're anti-meat.
	They're trying to push for a meatless society.
	They're trying to tell us to eat bugs, which is another testosterone-killing thing.
	I don't know if you've heard about it, Kristen.
	Do you think that that's a concerted effort to make men?
	Because we were talking about men and testosterone to make us weaker.
	Have you been hearing anything about this guy and how he's going towards zero meat?
	Like, you have to eat protein.
	I've definitely heard about it.
	I think all these diets that come in are kind of bullshit.
	And maybe that's why the whole vegan thing is pushing so hard.
	Some people, absolutely.
	Maybe you feel better eating less meat.
	Majority of people, I don't think, do.
	You know, I think any of these fad diets are bullshit.
	If you feel better eating something, you feel better eating something.
	It's very dependent on the individual, you know, and I think some of it goes back to our lineage, depending on where your history comes from.
	Maybe you're better on a Mediterranean diet, eating more fish and stuff like that.
	Pescatarian diets, I think, are very healthy, but it's just, at the end of the day, what they are, they're eliminating shit.
	All these diets are eliminating more stuff.
	If you're vegan, you're eating a lot less of their shit.
	If you're pescatarian, you're eating a lot less stuff.
	If you're a carnivore, you're eating way less stuff.
	So of course you're going to lose weight and feel better for a period of time, but you can also just eat less crap.
	Yes.
	Can you go to the testosterone levels of people worldwide on what countries have the lowest and the highest?
	Have you seen this chart before?
	I haven't seen this.
	It's really interesting.
	Rob just showed this to me yesterday.
	Right there.
	Take a look at that.
	Zoom in a little bit.
	So from 1980, this is from what?
	Data from 62 to 84.
	Can you go to the other page you had with the numbers on the same slide?
	If you go all the way up, I think they actually had the numbers of people.
	No, you showed us a number where what was actually, yeah, there you go, right there.
	Testosterone level in U.S. from 1960 to today.
	Okay.
	Zoom out a little bit because there's some other thing that shows what those colors are.
	Yeah.
	Testosterone decline.
	Okay.
	So look at 1960s.
	The average testosterone level for male was around 650.
	Okay.
	Then we stayed at 650 till around 1980s.
	And then there was a sudden decline to 500 in 1995.
	And then we dropped to 400, 450 in 2012.
	And now we're getting ready to go below 400.
	You know, and if you go through countries, go below to show the map that you had.
	Yeah, keep going.
	So this is in the States on who has the highest testosterone level.
	It's interesting.
	You see who has the highest and who's got the lowest.
	Where is the lowest?
	Okay, so this is after 2007.
	West Coast testosterone level dropped.
	South Florida's kept it.
	Virginia's kept it.
	So ladies, Virginia testosterone level is very high.
	Beverly Hills was the lowest.
	What?
	Did you see that?
	Beverly Hills.
	Beverly Hills was one of the lowest.
	Okay, keep going lower.
	This is a very interesting data.
	They're showing on testosterone levels.
	World regions now go lower.
	This is the one that shows.
	Is this showing America being high?
	America was shown high.
	Then it got lower.
	Oh, current.
	Current.
	Correct.
	Got lower to between 450 to 499.
	But we used to be 600, 700 years ago.
	You know, is this, you know, I don't know how much studying you've done with this testosterone level drop in.
	Is this also going back to what's changed, lifestyle, food, a lot of that stuff that you're kind of going back to?
	Yeah, I mean, I haven't researched it.
	Obviously, I'm not a medical student of this aspect in this, but I think there's a lot of evidence that would say that.
	And I've seen firsthand a lot of people who have, who are eating unhealthy and living stressful lives who have low testosterone.
	And they'll like talk to me and be like, should I hop on TRT or something?
	And I'm like, first of all, not going to tell you this advice.
	I'm not your doctor, but try this.
	You know, try sleeping more.
	Remove some stress.
	Create a proper routine.
	You know, like sleep better, eat better, cut this processed food out of your diet.
	And they have seen a natural increase coming up.
	Like from 200 to 1,000, but it starts to raise.
	And if you start that at a young age, I'm sure it will develop more effectively.
	You know, there's stuff you can, if you're zero to 18, living a very unhealthy lifestyle, that's kind of what sets your whole body up for the future for your entire life.
	So if you're able to do it from a young age, you're going to be a lot better off.
	Here's another one for you: obesity.
	42% of Americans are living with obesity.
	Okay.
	Axios.
	More than 4 in 10 U.S. adults are obese.
	That's insane when you think about a number like that, by the way.
	With states in the South and Midwest showing some of the highest prevalence, a new analysis that came in from Nork at the University of Chicago shows obesity is associated with hypertension, cardiovascular disease, stroke, and other conditions that are among the leading causes of preventable premature death.
	But strategies of treating obesity are changing with doctors prescribing a new case of drugs in record numbers, despite questions about their long-term effects and hefty price tag.
	West Virginia and Mississippi have highest obesity rates at 51%.
	The District of Columbia had the lowest obesity rate, DC, 33%, followed by Colorado at 34%.
	Obesity disproportionately impacts black and Hispanic Americans.
	Analysis shows.
	And then obesity rates amongst children is also higher.
	More than 17% of children 0 to 17 are considered obese.
	And if you go even deeper in that, Medicaid covered children have a considerably higher obesity rate at 26% Medicaid cover children compared to 11.4% among children with private insurance alone.
	And it's even at a point right now where Oprah Winfrey, what was the story that came out about Oprah Winfrey with this new drug called the Ozempic?
	They didn't say the actual name, but she's shaming me.
	No, she's like, well, stop shaming her that she's taking it.
	Like now, because she, dude, she's 69 years old.
	She went from Oprah.
	Let me show the picture of what Oprah looked like.
	She looked like, let me explain something to you guys.
	If I was drunk and it was like a, and I saw Oprah out, I would go for it.
	You would consider it?
	100%.
	Because it's Oprah or technical.
	Yeah.
	It's technical.
	But like, look at, dude, are you kidding me?
	And she's 70 on the how old is she right now, but 69 years old.
	So she dropped 40 pounds apparently using this drug called Ozempic.
	And to the point where Chelsea Handler said that she took it as well, saying her anti-aging doctor prescribed it to her unknowingly.
	However, she stopped using it, stating, I'm an irresponsible drug user, but I'm not going to take diabetic drugs.
	Tracy Morgan said that he's been taking it as I went and got a prescription and I got Ozempic and I am letting it go.
	Megan McCain is refusing to take it.
	She says it's horrifying, unfair, and disturbing.
	Don't rush me.
	But Rob, you have to say, you got a stat 1,500% what, Rob?
	Didn't you have a, what was it?
	A poison center seen nearly 1500%, not 150, 1,500% increase in calls related to injected weight loss drugs as people accidentally overdose.
	So that's not good.
	Maybe here's a question for you.
	What's more dangerous for your body?
	Taking steroids to develop more muscles and increasing your testosterone or taking drugs like this Ozempic that all of a sudden you're going to drop 40 pounds in a month.
	What's more dangerous for your body, you think?
	I mean, there's no black or white answer to that.
	You know, if you're abusing steroids, it could be worse.
	If you're abusing Ozempic, you abuse anything, it could be worse.
	I don't like the idea of taking drugs like for weight loss, obviously, especially when it's something you can achieve without it.
	And I do, I have seen plenty of people who have used this and they've used it, they've lost a lot of weight, and then they try and come off and their appetite goes through the roof.
	They put all their weight back on because it suppresses your appetite.
	It makes it hard for you to eat.
	It makes you almost a little nauseous.
	So it's hard to eat.
	And then it regulates your blood sugar.
	So your body thinks it's getting enough nutrients in, but it often isn't.
	So, people can be malnourished, undereating, having no appetite, taking this, lose weight, feel great.
	And then when they stop, the appetite comes back with a vengeance, and then they eat again and lose that.
	And they're like, fuck, I need to get back on that drug.
	Oh, God.
	If that's not an addiction, I don't know what is, you know?
	And then now they're addicted to this drug that was just discovered one year ago.
	Of course, testosterone has risk in its data.
	This is one year.
	How long has that been?
	Probably a little over one year, but it's new.
	Yeah, very new.
	Oh, yeah.
	There definitely aren't 15 plus years of clinical trials on this on humans.
	Yeah, and it's a diabetic drug.
	Everybody out there, all these people right now taking it, are the clinical trials.
	What the side effects are going to be in the next 10 to 15 years.
	Yep, it's like just like the vaccine.
	We don't know.
	It hasn't had the science hasn't hit yet.
	And like steroids, a lot of people take it without knowing the risk.
	And I think that is dangerous.
	And I don't want to compare them, say one's better than the other, because I don't think you should take any drug without understanding the risk.
	But I don't think these people understand the risk.
	I bet you they go in and they say, you know, take this.
	There's no side effects that we've found yet.
	And people are like, okay.
	They don't care, bro.
	If you're going to fix one thing, they don't give a shit about the aftermath as long as they lose the weight.
	And it's crazy.
	Do I have a cousin?
	My cousin is on this.
	And you drastically lost weight.
	And how many of these people do you think are getting paid?
	How many celebrities to talk about taking this?
	Oh, of course.
	That's a plug, an Oprah plug.
	I don't think she mentioned it, Chris, but I'm pretty sure, bro, everybody knows what they're there's no secret, like new drug out.
	It's Ozempic.
	Everybody's taking it.
	But Ozempic and Wagovi brought in $4.8 billion of sales ready in the third quarter.
	In the third quarter.
	What?
	Can you pull this up, Rob?
	In the third quarter?
	I just saw this on Forbes.
	I'm going to send it to you.
	Click on this link, the article.
	Oh, that's someone right there.
	Stay under.
	So Ozempic and Wagovi brought in $4.8 billion of sales during the third quarter.
	And the drugs account for 52% of Novo Nordisk's $23.6 billion of total revenue through 2023's first nine months, up from a 36% share during the same period.
	Wow.
	Click on that article.
	Click on the article to see if there's any other data behind this.
	$4.8 billion and a quarter.
	Zoom in.
	So if this is $4.8 billion, it's more than just Oprah Winfrey taking it, just so you know that.
	There's a lot of 75% last 12 months.
	Ozempic craze caused under the capitalization to balloon from $230 billion last October to $430 billion today.
	Remarkably, the firm's market value is now larger than its home country of Denmark.
	Entire annual economic output.
	The company is now worth $430 billion.
	Wagovi is approved in the United States for weight management, while Ozempic is formally approved for the type 2 diabetes, but it is often prescribed off-label for weight loss.
	Golalore?
	Didn't they banned in the UK or something too?
	You know what, Nick?
	Can you just zoom in a little bit more to see what says on that 100 GW stocks or something?
	Bank of America Analysis projects American calorie consumption to dwindle as much as 3% by 2030 due to the rise of weight loss drugs.
	And packaged food and meat stocks are amid their worst loss streak since the turn of millennium.
	So that's what you were saying.
	It's making you not want to eat because it's thinking, making you think you're full.
	Search what countries Ozempic is banned in.
	What countries Ozempic is banned in?
	That's crazy that one product is worth more than the country's country's economic.
	That's insane.
	Oh my God.
	Countries that have imposed such bans.
	Austria.
	Austria, France, Greece, and Czech Republic, Portugal, Pomerania, Belgium, Slovakia, Spain, export though the drug.
	Saying to export because of shortages.
	Place that likely make it impossible to export the drug.
	So it's not necessarily export.
	But the first ones are bans.
	The second ones.
	Make it impossible to export.
	So Austria, France, Greece, and Czech is a ban.
	Very interesting.
	Very interesting on how it's going to affect 3% of the intake in food by 2030.
	Oh my God.
	And they're seeing a streak in the amount of food we're taking months in a row.
	Again, I mean, this is a person like Oprah, celebrities are taking like, dude, look how great this person looks.
	And you get on and all of a sudden you're hitting.
	All these effects to it.
	Interesting.
	Yeah.
	Ozempic is a topic, something you're hearing a lot about in the last 12 months, I would say.
	Not something you've heard about before.
	It's more recent.
	Blew up, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Remember that one drink you would drink and within 24 hours, you could lose 15 pounds?
	This is like 20 years ago.
	Did you know about this?
	You'd lose 10 to 15 pounds within.
	You're going to the bathroom a lot?
	No, so you would, but you would go to a party.
	Hollywood was using this, and it was super popular.
	So let's just say you just have 12 hours, boom, you drink it, 10, 15 pounds, you would be ripped, but ripped.
	And it was like shit the next year.
	Oh, yeah, for sure.
	With the party, you look great.
	You're worth it.
	Aside from you feeling like shit.
	But let me see what else I got here.
	Boom.
	Okay.
	Final thoughts here, Christopher, before we wrap up.
	What final thoughts do you have to the audience, people who are in your world who follow you, and those maybe that haven't followed you?
	Because on PBD podcast, we've not had bodybuilding.
	We've had it on valutainment, but not on PBD podcast on vitamin, the audience would recognize it more.
	What final thoughts do you have for somebody that is in the health business, isn't a bodybuilding, they want to get into possibly bodybuilding?
	What message do you have to those who are specifically in the health industry with aspirations of wanting to get to the next level?
	In the next level of fitness.
	You want me to see if I can really compete and maybe do more with bodybuilding.
	What would you say to those guys?
	I mean, as is being successful in anything, it's about mitigating where you put your attention and time and effort.
	If you're wanting to take something to the next level, you have to start pulling away from where you're putting energy anywhere else and putting it into where you want to be successful.
	And every time you do a little bit more in there, you'll become a little bit more successful.
	So you start to do that over time.
	And if you don't want to fully commit, just do a little bit.
	If you want to get into bodybuilding and pull away from your social life, pull away from it and go into that.
	But also ask yourself, where do you want to be in 10 years?
	Is what you're putting your energy into getting you to where you want to be in 10 years?
	Or is it just resulting you to be happy right now in this moment?
	And in 10 years, you're going to be like, am I great for better at partying?
	Or would I have rather pulled away from that and put a little bit more discipline into bodybuilding and see where I could have taken that?
	And the beautiful thing about fitness now is you don't even need to compete really to build something from it with social media and the amount of people with obesity problems right now.
	All you have to do is learn how the body works, improve your own self, and then start helping others.
	And you can build a business or help others off that.
	So there's a lot of avenues that can take it.
	But I think, you know, something I take away from seeing this is people are looking for the easy way out.
	Do I think that's going to last long term in life?
	No.
	So what can you do to get ahead of those people?
	Take the hard way.
	Start working on yourself.
	Put energy into the hard stuff.
	Be consistent.
	Be disciplined.
	And you're going to be ahead of most of the population right now.
	You know, if people are looking for an easy way out, all you got to do is take the hard way and be resilient and you're ahead of most of the population.
	Or if you're a really lazy guy, just and you don't want to work out and stuff and you're lazy as shit, just identify as trans, compete against women and beat the shit out of them.
	That's what else.
	I mean, that's what they're doing.
	They're just lazy as hell.
	That's what I'm saying, Chris.
	There's no comment.
	You can't get a male bodybuilder competing in female.
	Oh, there was actually somebody that did it, but not at the Mr. Olympia.
	No, none of that has happened yet.
	I hope that.
	Would they turn him away if he I don't think Jake would qualify?
	Yeah, I think you're saying that.
	What I'm saying is, what if a guy slaps on some boobs and goes and competes with a woman?
	They're not going to say no.
	I actually don't think Mr. Olympia brand would do that today.
	I don't think if they did, I don't think they know who their audience is.
	And I think they know who their audience is, and that's not their audience.
	By the way, final thoughts: this drink.
	This is your bum energy.
	Can I have one?
	Yeah, of course.
	Tell us about this.
	Yeah, I mean, everyone at my office was drinking like three energy drinks a day.
	And they were all like 200, 300 milligrams of caffeine.
	Oh, wow.
	And they're all stimmed out and feeling sick after it.
	And I was like, let me make some a little bit lighter, you know?
	And I, being healthy, I tried to be less caffeine, no food dyes, nothing like that.
	So it's got 112 milligrams of caffeine, some cognizant in it for a nootropic.
	Help you kind of focus without being too jittery.
	Simple little can.
	You can drink a few of them a day and still feel good.
	And what's your favorite flavor?
	What's your favorite flavor?
	Cherry Frost or Peach Mango.
	The Peach Mango is not fully out yet, but this one is Cherry Frost.
	It is out.
	So they can order that.
	Cherry Frost is out.
	You're seeing it on the screen.
	Put the link, Rob, in the chat, in the description.
	If you're a fan, I like it.
	You follow him, support the man.
	Go place an order with bum sugar-free energy drink cherry frost.
	Christopher, it's been a bless having you on.
	You're the man.
	Really enjoyed it.
	Looking forward to doing it again in the future.
	If you decide to go for your six, maybe we'll do one right afterwards as well.
	And looking forward to seeing next year when you finally reveal, when your wife says, Now we can tell the world.
	I'm excited about that moment to see what your reaction is going to be.
	Thank you.
	Take care, everybody.
	Have a great weekend.

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