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Second documentary, right?
This is the second one you've got.
Yeah, okay.
First one's on BL.
Okay, today's guest, the great Candace Owens, who just recently launched a documentary called Convict in a Murder.
I watched it last night, which was pretty epic and this morning.
And then she did one before Biggest Lie Ever Sold.
She wrote a New York Time best-selling book.
Very hard to become a New York Time bestseller when your name is Candace Owens, but they had to do it.
They had to do it because results forces you to recognize her called Blackout.
She co-founded Blexit, along with former Tucson police officer Brandon Tatum in 2018.
In 2021, she joined Daily Wire, where she hosts a show, hosts Candace, a political talk show.
And by the way, you've seen her all over the place.
Candace, thank you so much for being on.
Thank you guys for having me.
This is awesome.
Yes, it's great to have you on.
So Candace, question, you know, this entire time, you know, we're sitting there saying, how do we start the question?
What do we talk to her about?
Who were you in high school in 10th grade?
I'm actually curious.
Oh, gosh, that is a totally different Candace.
I mean, I would say I was probably who everybody was in 10th grade.
You know, I was definitely just trying to figure out who I was.
I was skipping classes.
I was always in good classes, though, but I was skipping them.
I had a boyfriend who I was obsessed with, you know, and so we were always skipping and going other places.
Definitely not conservative, but I would say not politically inclined at all, which is important to state because people have kind of shifted the narrative and said I was like a radical leftist or something.
I just didn't care about politics, never voted, wasn't following it at all.
But yeah, always loved communication, excelled at English and writing and things of that nature.
And yeah, I mean, teachers would probably say I was a bit of a smartass.
I'd be surprised if you said that.
No way.
They call you a smartass.
I was always consistently a smart ass.
Really?
I can see it, Candace.
Absolutely.
I can see it.
What do you think your fellow classmates are saying about you now?
Like, I can't, I didn't see this coming or I totally saw it coming.
Totally.
I would think they would say the opposite.
Yeah.
And my parents, I mean, just I've always been very sure of myself, even when I was wrong.
Do you know what I mean?
Does that make sense?
Like, I have a two-year-old.
Like most women.
And he's, I have a two-year-old toddler son who's got that same characteristic where he's always very sure of himself, even when he's completely wrong.
Were you the 4.5 GPA?
Were you the 4.2 GPA?
No, I was like the 3.5.
Okay.
Because I just didn't care.
Got it.
And that was 3.5 without trying at all.
Were you playing sports?
Were you an athlete?
Cheerleader.
Cheerleader.
Big high school or small high school?
2,000 people graduated in my high school, so relatively big.
More English, less math.
Did you like science?
Heated math and science.
Loved English communication.
So kind of makes sense.
I'm doing communication.
And when I graduated, I majored in journalism and English.
So words always just came very easily to me.
I loved to read, which was my dweeb habit that I developed from the time I could pick up a book.
What did you read back then?
What were you reading?
I was actually reading all fiction.
My mom was a part of some weird book club where she'd just get like Nora Roberts and Dean Koontz, you know, and it was just what I was reading.
Obviously, the books were bigger than my head when I was younger, but it was just what was on our bookshelf.
So I read through everything.
My mom read through.
I was very into Harry Potter.
Forget it.
Like racing home to try to, yeah, to try to beat my mom to read the books when they came out.
Like very into the wizarding world of Harry Potter.
Have you ever met him?
I haven't met him yet.
Yet.
I like that idea.
Meaning like you planned.
I planned to meet Harry Potter.
Nice.
Yeah.
Maybe we can arrange something.
A Hogwarts action.
But what house would you be in?
Did you guys read Harry Potter?
No.
That is deeply upsetting to me.
Every person should actually read it.
It's a really good book.
It's a really good book.
I mean, it's not, it didn't become this whole thing as it was a bad book.
I'm telling you, it's really good.
What house are you?
I, you know what?
I don't superpose.
Super big deal.
Gryffindor.
Yeah.
I feel like I would be like Harry.
Like it would be like between Gryffindor and Slytherin.
And then I would be able to pick my house.
That's the reference you that watched Harry Potter.
Pat, do you know anything that you're talking about?
But people that are watching this show do because Harry Potter was sensational.
And they should place you in a house.
I want to actually know.
Rob, can you ask them what house they would put him in?
Harry Potter to what they said.
It's very important.
If you let the guess, hold on, Adam, if you have to guess.
They're going to guess.
What do you guys think?
Gryffindor or Slytherin?
They're going to say Pat.
There's more houses.
No, there's more houses.
He could be.
But I'm saying they're going to pick out of those two main ones.
He has to be Gryffindor.
Now I have to go step back.
He could be Ravenclaw.
Oh, Ravenclaw.
Now you're just blowing his mind.
Yeah, I don't know.
I got to hear people.
Rob, why don't you, first of all, why don't you do this?
Do a poll to see what percentage of the audience has read the books that we can kind of get an idea on.
Read or watch the movie?
I think both counts.
Both counts.
Both count.
Books are amazing.
The movie is good.
And Candace, can I see you a question?
So, you know, high school, he asked you, high school, you're getting older.
Slytherin?
What's Slytherin?
Slytherin is the bad one.
It's the bad one.
But they're good witches and witches.
Yeah, yeah.
There's good people in there.
So, Candace, in your high school, Pat asked, like, you know, you're getting old, you're getting older.
At what moment was the political thing hit in your head?
Like, at one moment where you're like, I got to kind of get involved.
Recently, I mean, I guess it's not that recently anymore, but not until Trump came down the escalator in 2015.
And I think it's because it was Donald Trump.
He made everybody, even if you weren't politically inclined, you suddenly had an opinion.
Do you know what I mean?
For sure.
Couldn't look away.
Yeah.
So I didn't have, there was no political inclinations in my house.
My parents were not politically engaged.
My grandparents, who I grew up for a good portion of my childhood in their home, weren't politically engaged.
So I would say I came from a very apolitical family, but of course left-leaning because you're black and you're supposed to be a Democrat.
So that's just kind of the cultural poisoning that goes on.
And in 2015, Trump came on the escalator.
I remember thinking, like, I don't want this guy to win because not because of any reason other than he's an entertainer.
Exactly.
So to me, it was like if someone like Hulk Hogan was running, I would just be like, oh, no, this isn't.
You know, it didn't feel appropriate after Obama was in office.
And then I watched a speech that he gave in Dimondale, Michigan, and he made this very interesting elevator pitch to Black America.
And he was kind of just listing through all of the actual factual statistics in Black America of like, this is the poverty rate.
This is whatever it is.
And at the end, he's just like, I mean, did you try something different?
What do you have to lose?
And I was like, that's a pretty good business pitch.
He's like, saying, like, I'm the greatest person ever.
But he's saying, look around you.
You've been doing the same thing, Democrats, 50 years.
Nothing's gotten better.
Why don't you just try something different?
And after I finished watching it, I remember turning on whatever I was normally used to watching, MSN, CNN.
And they completely pretended that he attacked black Americans, called him a racist, and he gave the most racist speech, said black Americans were all living in poverty.
And it was just such a blatant lie that I was confused about why my trusted sources were lying.
Gotcha.
And then I kind of started wondering what the racist side was saying.
And I just got curious.
So we were just talking about high school.
You left high school, you graduated high school, and you went Rhode Island.
Not exactly a bastion of conservatism.
No, it's not.
And then from there, you went to work for Vogue magazine, which was even further left than the University of Rhode Island.
So where were you like on the political spectrum and just thinking?
Maybe you didn't think if it was political, but where was your thought when you left high school, then to Rhode Island?
And where did you come to where you are today?
Well, I was liberal, but I wasn't crazy liberal.
Like, you're never going to find any old pics of, like, I had Republican friends.
You know, it was just a different time.
I think we were allowed to kind of be like, oh, like, I'm left-leaning and right-leaning, and you could be.
That was okay back then.
That was okay back then.
That was totally fine.
Nobody actually really cared.
It was college.
And I would say I was liberal in the sense that if you had just asked me generally speaking about things, like, is feminism good?
Yes.
Just everything, just the checklist of I've had a public school education, you know, and I had public school education.
So I would have said yes to this, yes to that, gay, gay rights, all of these things, but not forcefully.
Like there's no old images of Candace like wearing a pussy hat or marching.
It just doesn't exist.
I just didn't care.
Very disappointing.
More of an answer than I was.
What about Obama?
Did you vote for Obama?
This is what?
Straight up.
No.
So it's so funny because everyone says that because I just didn't care.
I mean, I was, no, I shouldn't say that I didn't care.
I was so happy when Obama won.
Yeah.
Because he was black.
Because he was black.
Or because he was gay.
I mean, very simple, both reasons, because he's black and because he's very much flaming.
And I think you're saying Obama wears a pussy hat.
I think it's wonderful.
And for those reasons, I remember sitting in my room on my college campus and like crying the night Obama.
I'm like, oh, yeah, this means America's moving forward.
But tears of joy.
Cheers, tears of joy.
And I mean, you could not feel the Obama fact in OA.
It was kinetic.
Yes, we can.
Of course.
15 years ago.
How old are you at the time?
15 years ago, you were.
How old was I when Obama?
You were in college, bro.
I was in college.
I remember being, I think it was my sophomore year.
About 20 years old, Liberty.
So 2008, he's becoming president.
I cannot believe this is taking place.
And then the evolution into really get into politics doesn't happen until 2016.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then boom.
Yeah, I went and worked to New York.
I was working at a private equity firm.
I was just like fully trying to get myself out of student loan debt.
So it was all about working for me.
I was never an idiot.
I was always about wanting to get my finances right.
I've never not had a job since I was 14 years old.
My grandfather was very much impressed upon the Owens.
You have a job, you work.
And so for me, I just wanted to get my financial life in order.
And coming out of college, I had 150K in student loan debts, no money from my family.
So it was the pressure to make money was what my focus was.
I didn't really care about politics at all.
$150K?
Where'd you go to school?
Rhode Island.
URI.
Can you believe that?
$35K a year.
And then, of course, obviously, after a random publication.
Yeah.
It was like $37,000 per year.
All right, here you go.
Rob got the polls for you.
What does this mean?
Tell us.
Wow.
Gryffindor.
Gryffindor is a little bit of a bad thing.
Gryffindor.
They think you're brave.
That's the house Harry Potter's in.
Okay.
They think you're brave, that you have good values.
You know, but this could be a biased poll.
I wasn't going to say this could be a biased poll because they're watching your show.
Yeah, they're probably curious with the, you know.
Wow.
Second, though, is Slytherin.
Second, that's pretty crazy.
That's pretty crazy.
I thought they'd go Raving Claw, but they went Slytherin.
Yeah.
So they definitely think you have a capacity for evil.
They think that you could twirl.
Yes.
But you are definitely, definitely no Hufflepuff.
I know that.
No, I was sure.
I knew HuffPo would be like Hufflepuff.
Okay, so let's go into some current events.
And then obviously we'll talk about the documentary as well.
We're going to put the link below, folks, for the documentary.
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So Ron DeSantis, how do you think he's doing?
Bad, badly, without question.
Why do you think?
He just has a personality problem.
And personality matters in politics.
You can't describe it.
There's an it factor that people have.
And it doesn't matter left or right, by the way.
Like Bill Clinton has the it factor.
I mean, there's just something about Bill Clinton that even when you know he's lying to your face, you just like him.
He picks up the saxophone.
He plays it and you feel good about Bill Clinton.
It's so true.
Like Arsenio Hall, when he did that, you know, you know, I'm like, oh, God, I know I'm supposed to hate you, but even when Hillary was running, I was like, yeah, I kind of like Bill Clinton.
I actually agree.
I voted for him.
It's crazy.
It's crazy.
I was like, I'll deal with it because I like that guy.
He had swag.
What does that tell us, though?
What does that tell us though?
Because when Larry Elder was here this week, Larry Elder was here this week.
My trainer asked me, he says, who do you have this week?
I said, Larry Elder Tuesdays.
I said, Candace on Thursday.
And he himself is a former wide receiver, African-American.
So he's a great guy.
He says, what is this?
The PBD podcast, African-American Week.
I said, no, bro, just that's what we're doing.
But when Larry was here, we were talking.
One of the things we talked about is that I'm interested in is what are the top five most important things to look at?
Like in baseball, they used to say it's home runs or doubles or steals, stolen bases or this.
And now they're going on-base percentage.
You know, in every sales company, you want to find the number one most important behavior.
In content, you need charisma, you know, able to keep someone's attention, storyteller, witty, entertaining, value, all of which you have all of that.
So you need those types of qualities.
What do you think are the top five things you need to make a president?
Where if like, you know how Roger Stone said back in the 70s, 80s, he says, I think Trump's going to be a president one day, right?
He said this 40 years ago before it even happened.
And then he goes on Oprah Winfrey.
He's like, well, you're talking a language that you're going to be one day.
What do you think those five things are?
Because DeSantis has an incredible resume.
Yeah.
Resume doesn't mean anything.
It doesn't mean anything.
And unfortunately, people hate to hear that to accept that as a truth, where it's like, well, he's done all of these things.
And this means that he should be president.
It just doesn't work like that.
I would almost say the number one thing is you got to have the it factor.
I mean, and it has to do with how you warm the crowd, how the crowd responds to you.
Trump has it.
I mean, when I met him, I can't explain it.
He makes you feel like he's a blue-collar person that's been driving garbage trucks his entire life.
The way that he, I'm serious, I'm not kidding.
Like he, the way he communicates with people, you do not feel that he's this elite, untouchable billionaire that comes from a wealthy family at all.
And when he looks at you, he wants you to feel seen.
He's very funny.
That's the thing that I think gets lost is how hilarious he is.
I mean, he, you know, he breaks the ice.
There's an awkward moment when you're with him.
I remember walking into the Oval Office the first time that I met him.
I was so nervous.
And one of the worst things is, oh, oh, you know, I love you.
I watch you on Fox News, all this stuff.
And then he says, you know, and I want to say also, you know, you're very beautiful, but I don't want to get me too.
I don't want to get me too.
That's very funny for the president of the United States to say in the Oval Office at the height of the Me Too movement is just funny.
And so he just is able to relate to people in a way.
And I try to tell people he has a magnetic personality.
And there's nothing that the media can do to take that away because if he gets in front of people, he's going to be able to unleash that.
And DeSantis has the exact opposite personality.
So I saw DeSantis speaking at an RGA before he was running for president.
And he was speaking amongst a group of his donors that just got him elected.
He barely got over the finish line against Andrew Gillum, who, by the way, has charisma, has the it factor.
And crack.
There's no reason.
Yeah, I'm the one that broke that story.
Did you really?
It was me.
I broke it up my story.
The gay sex party.
Love how that story came to me was just.
You're breaking all these stories.
Gillum, Obama.
Almost like right place, right time, insanity.
But yeah, he almost lost to Andrew Gillum.
There's no reason that they should even be close.
Of course, Ron DeSantis is so much better.
But what happened?
Ron has a personality problem.
There is.
He looks uncomfortable on stage.
He kind of was, you know, snaps at his donors.
He seems like he's like angry at them.
And that might be his personality.
But then he's trying now as he's running to force this different personality where he's like smiling and it makes me uncomfortable.
And so I just don't think he's found his rhythm and his personality.
Do you think you can find that?
You think you can find it?
You think personality can be found if you don't have it?
No.
Okay.
So it factor is one.
It factor is one.
What else would you put?
Like one of the things we talked about is the new direction of where we're going.
Do you think the message of anti-establishment sitting with voters that they're sick of it from both sides, left and right, where Ross Perot was able to be an anti-establishment guy, where Trump anti-establishment, and Vivek has kind of positioned himself as an anti-establishment.
Even RFK has kind of positioned himself as an anti-establishment.
Do you think choosing the enemies, choosing the right enemies also factored?
And do you look at money?
Like if you have FU money, it gives you an edge where you don't need to ask money from anybody.
What else would you say it is?
Well, instinct, I think, is a huge part of it too.
Being able to read your base and actually being able to respond and edit yourself if you're going the wrong way, which is something that also Ron DeSantis doesn't have.
Despite having all that money, he was the blessed candidate.
All the donors were giving him all the cash.
They were jumping off of the Trump shit.
And why did it not matter?
Because nobody cared.
He had very bad instincts.
I was saying, I was calling it early.
I was like, the team around him is horrible.
The influencer circle is horrible.
I think that Vivek is correct when he says that you should run your presidential campaign like a startup.
And when you talk to any of the Trump family members, particularly I'm thinking of Laura and Eric and Don Jr., they'll tell you how they literally had no idea what they were doing in 2015, you know, because they had never done this before.
So they were kind of editing and following their instincts and listening to people's feedback.
So he kind of ran the campaign like a startup.
And when you're in startup mode, which I'm ripping this from Vivek because we had talked about this on my podcast, you know, when you don't have a lot of money, you really think about how you're going to spend that not a lot of money that you have, right?
So you're way more focused.
Whereas if he said, when you're a company and you've got too much money, a lot of it gets wasted on that.
Super packed.
It gets wasted on stupid stuff because you're like, somebody's telling you, pulling you this way and saying, oh, you have this much money.
You've got to run this on comms and all of this stuff.
And Trump was just like on his Twitter.
And that was his comms.
What else would you say?
I'm actually, the reason why I want your insight, because I think you flirted with the idea of eventually running.
I think you're eventually going to run.
I think you're going to be formidable.
And I think if you do, it would be so entertaining to watch on the debate stage.
Just so for selfish reasons, I want to see it.
And I'm sure you've thought about this because you have that.
You have the witty.
You have the kind of like, you know, the instinct as well.
You know, how when they're trying to corner you, you're doing a congress, you know, you're out there.
They're trying to pin you in this one thing.
And you come over here and you call this guy, you tell him I didn't say that.
And then you still give your message and you stay on point.
While all this shit's happening at the same time, you can still keep that poise.
What else would you say?
So, so far, we have it factor, instinct.
I wrote down naivete, an element that Tom Brady talked about, the naive factor that you don't know how dark it is.
You're just like, I think I can be the greatest.
And then the startup phase, what else would you add to it?
Yeah, so I think that is part of being able to read the base is actually understanding what the issues are, understanding the people.
And this is where the Democrats just fall apart.
You know, they just become such elitists.
I mean, in, and by the way, I want to be clear, not just Democrats, Republicans as well.
I mean, when I was watching the Republican debates and they're sitting here trying to make me cry for people in Ukraine, are you kidding me?
Are you kidding me?
Have you looked around America yet?
Do you really think that this is what the people at home are going to respond to, perpetually telling them that they have to care about another nation more than their own backyards, that they should be caring more about what's happening in Ukraine and Chris Christie trying to pitch it and Pence trying to pitch it and Nikki Haley?
We need to be the police officers of the world and we can't even police her.
We can do both.
No, we obviously can't.
Like, have you walked down the streets of Los Angeles?
Have you walked down New York?
We clearly, obviously, can't do both, right?
And so, having, I think, that the courage to stand on something that doesn't feel establishment popular or mainstream media popular, but that you understand is what people are actually feeling.
And, you know, I'm very much a person that from the very beginning has said F Ukraine.
You know, I stand on that.
And I would have said it if I was on the debate stage.
Like, I would have let them all do their little pitch and the cries and the tears.
Because how this gets into the why F Ukraine is what I want to ask why.
Because rich men north of Richmond, you know what I mean?
Because rich men north of Richmond, because people literally can't put food on the table.
You've stopped people from working in America.
The average person is struggling to even be able to afford gas, groceries.
You have people that are dealing with an influx of crime and illegal immigration in their cities.
People whose daughters and kids are being raped and killed.
That woman that was horrifically killed in Arizona going on a run by an illegal immigrant.
All of this is happening in our country right here.
Because if you told me as a mother that I need to care more about what's happening in the neighbor's house while my kids were suffering in my house, I would look at you and tell you you were crazy, obviously.
Of course, I'm going to take care of my own house first.
And if I have something after my house is in perfect order, right?
And then you say to me, hey, they need help, that's just common sense.
But if my house is in complete chaos and my kids can't eat and my kids are struggling, how dare you tell me that it's wrong to want to care for my own first?
And that's exactly what the American foreign policy is amongst the elites.
But Candace, our house has never been in perfect order, as you know, this in America.
So how do you grapple with the fact that when do we get involved?
Like if China shouldn't.
Anything.
Anyway, like non-interventionists.
So China attacks Taiwan.
You're good with it.
What kind of like foreign policy do you think we should even have?
Zero whatsoever in the world?
Everything that we're doing in the world right now is we're suffering from not being able to mind our own business.
This idea, you know, post-World War II and inter regarding international liberalism, that it was our now, we must spread our ideas everywhere and everybody must accept them.
Maybe people don't want to live like Americans want to live.
Have we ever thought of that?
Like maybe people in Iraq and Iran actually are not interested in the way that we live.
Maybe people in Saudi Arabia are not interested in the way that Californians live.
And by the way, if you're looking at what's going on in California and LA, does it seem like maybe people should be embracing American values and principles at this moment?
Like if you could buy them and purchase them right now as another country, you probably would be wanting to go the other way.
Hence Uganda and the laws that they're putting in place trying to keep this LGBTQ agenda that Americans are funding all across the world.
Why are we funding that?
Why are we funding saying that girls in Pakistan need to learn about transgenderism?
This is the foolishness that our tax dollars are going toward.
And people, oh, that because international liberalism, these are great ideas.
No, actually, these ideas kind of suck, actually.
They suck.
And it's arrogance.
It's not even American arrogance because the average American doesn't think this way.
The average American doesn't think that children in kindergarten need to learn 75,000 genders.
We aren't even, we're not impressive academically.
Kids are getting systematically dumber in America.
We have nothing to show for all of the money that we're spending all around the world, our country is in full decline.
So I actually want to be clear.
It's not just F Ukraine.
It's F everybody until we get our house in order.
So nothing.
You don't want to be involved.
So if China attacks Taiwan and the semiconductor chips we're relying on, and that's going to be gone and 96% of the products that China manufacturing right now in China were Apple's manufacturing in China and they go through that mess.
It's okay.
It affects you're totally fine.
The American ways to die on foreign soil.
Zero.
No, not one American life should be able to do it.
So then how do you so then what would if a Candace Owens was president today, what would your foreign policies be?
What would your approach be with G?
What would your approach be with Putin?
What would your approach be with what's going on in Iran or some of these guys?
What would you do?
Yeah, well, I mean, with Putin, obviously the worst thing that we could have possibly done, which is what's happening now, is folded him further into the arms of the East.
Okay.
Putin should be a natural ally with the West.
We have been pushing this fake Cold War for way too long.
Okay.
We're not in the 60s anymore.
Okay.
Putin is not trying to rebuild Soviet Union.
He doesn't have the money.
I mean, it's completely ridiculous to think that Russia is the biggest threat.
This is just the mainstream media simulation.
It's going to be just like the Soviet Union, whereas we're the ones that are actually pushing further into that territory.
I mean, it's complete delusion.
We're the ones that is putting NATO on everybody's border and pushing an inching further after we gave promises that we wouldn't do that, that we would not expand one inch eastward.
Okay.
So we're just not being honest about what it is that's even happening over there.
We're not being honest about the corruption and the laundromat that Ukraine is and the reason why we have such a vested interest in it, Biden's interest in it, you know, barisma and everything that's going on.
This has nothing to do with caring about Ukrainian soldiers.
If you actually bought that narrative that they're worried about the Soviet Union expansion, you're absolutely wrong.
They want to expand their own power in that region.
And so when Trump was in office and he sought to have a meaningful relationship with Putin so that we weren't pushing him into the arms of China, and China is actually a threat to the United States, yeah, that was the right policy to have, an actual peace policy, you know, that we should be respecting how people want to run their own countries, right?
And also trying to have strategic relationships, strategic partnerships with them.
That is what makes sense to me.
I believe in national sovereignty.
I believe that Russia has the right to run its country the way that it wants to run its country.
I believe Iraq, Iran, America, the United Kingdom.
I don't want to be, you know, we want to be out.
We don't want to be a part of the European Union.
The European Union, these concepts of trying to say to globalize us and say this is how everybody must think.
In America, we can't even decide on how we all want to think.
You know what I mean?
The Southern principles and values compared to New York City and LA is something that we can't seem to be able to do.
Can I give you a perspective?
Can I give you perspective?
I want to get your perspective on this.
So, you know, your Daily Wire, I was just with Ben a couple days ago and we had a good time together.
But think about a company, for example, that's built on software we rent, which we all do, right?
A company's not built on 100% of the software that you have, right?
When we build an insurance company, we borrowed a company called iPipeline.
They are a behemoth of a company, $2.5 billion company.
After 10 years of saying no to him, he finally said, let's make it work.
I said, let's make it work.
And he came and gave me an offer.
I couldn't refuse.
I said, let's roll.
Then another one.
And another one.
I won't name all of them.
But my perspective is to say, guys, moving forward, if you're not one of our product that we're not doing internally, that's it.
I don't care about them.
We're not going to do any business with this.
This is it.
It's foreign.
We're not going to do nothing.
But we're relying on that software.
The reason why I'm saying this is this, we're relying on China.
Okay.
This, we're relying on China.
Cars, we're relying on China.
Today, this week was the first time we got an iPhone 15 that's going to say made in India, which is phenomenal.
It's progress.
But it's still, it's not made in America, right?
If we do made in America, this is a $5,000 phone.
This is not a $1,300 or now $2,700 phone.
So all I'm saying to you is from it's, and I get it.
I get the fact that we spent $100 billion.
White House finally confirms that they spent $100 billion on Ukraine, and we sent $700 a family to Maui, which is absolutely pathetic.
And it's still, you know, it's been a month already, whatever the timeline's been.
Yeah, we'll eventually get to it.
What do you mean we'll eventually get to it with a couple thousand kids still missing?
But that desire to say, nope, that's it.
Nothing.
No foreign policy.
No need to.
But what we're talking about here is we're talking about our involvement in foreign wars.
That's not to say that we shouldn't be doing business deals.
That's a strategic partnerships with people that are overseas.
Well, I get that.
But what I'm saying is he asked the question, if we allow China to attack Taiwan, you're like, nope, we're not doing anything.
We're not sending our men over there.
I'm not sending.
I'm not sending a single man.
So you're okay if we lose all the manufacturing.
That's not necessarily going to be the conclusion.
There's a lot that could happen in between.
There's a lot of negotiations that can take place.
This is why you have ambassadors that go over there.
What I am saying is that if I were president, and I'm not, okay, and obviously I'm sitting here giving you the Owens doctrine off the cuff, but obviously you'd have to sit down and this is why you build a cabinet and you have people that are smarter than you in the cabinet talk about these things.
You bring in the best business guys, talk about how you get around this.
But what I am saying is that I would not be sending a single American son or daughter to die on foreign soul.
So what about money, though?
Because I agree with you.
We don't need to be involved.
I mean, everything that we've done post-World War II has been a freaking disaster.
Vietnam, Korea, Afghanistan, Iraq, now Ukraine.
But we don't necessarily have boots on the ground per se.
I know there's allegedly people there, but money or even soft power or influence.
You talked about diplomatic relations.
There has to be a little nuance.
It can't just be like zero.
We're done.
It's fine with diplomatic relations.
That's actually what I'm saying: is that we need more diplomatic relations.
It's the whole point.
And we need to stop strong arming and making these stances and sending billions of dollars and with no accounting, by the way.
And things of that nature.
But I think they missed like a couple of things.
No, what do you mean?
Yeah, like a month ago, two months ago, the girl from the Pentagon was like, yeah, we had a mistake and there's $6 billion.
We don't know where they're at.
Really?
Richman north of Richmond.
Rob, if you can pull up this article, because she made a comment, which I think is perfect time to ask her about this.
So U.S. News.
No, no, this is great.
U.S. News just came out with this article saying America first.
Question mark.
The best countries in the world, according to Americans.
Okay.
I don't know who they got these polls from, but again, the annual best countries ranking by the U.S. News, the United States dropped to number five from number one, as determined by perception-based analysis of over 17,000 respondents worldwide.
However, when considering American respondents alone, the ranking improved with the top three countries being UK, they went up eight, plus eight.
New Zealand went up six.
And U.S. went up two.
The U.S. ranked number two for attributes like entrepreneur spirit, strong consumer brands, easy access to capital, culturally significant entertainment, and being a place people would live.
American respondents also viewed their country more favorably in areas such as affordability plus 38 spots, scenic beauty plus 37 spots, racial equity plus 27 spots, and environmental concern plus two spots.
Compared to global perceptions, Americans viewed their country as less transparent in government practices minus 61 spots.
Wow.
Damn.
Wow.
Business practices minus 39 spots.
And less favorable tax environment minus 27 spots.
Wow.
And income equality minus 21 spots.
So Americans viewed their country, their country.
Do you think America is still the greatest country in the world?
Do I think that America is still the greatest country?
I think America has always been the greatest experiment in the world, an experiment with freedom.
And right now, I would say that we are failing.
And like I said, our country is in decline.
And I think every person can admit that.
And many times I ask myself whether or not it's an illusion, you know, whether democracy is an illusion, whether freedoms are an illusion.
And I think especially coming out of COVID, we really saw how unfree America was and how really it's become a bureaucracy.
There's just a bunch of bureaucrats in D.C. that are running everything.
And so what America was supposed to be as established by the founding fathers, yes, I think that is the most incredible vision that has ever been brought forth, the American experiment.
And that is what I fight for every single day.
It's the reason why I get up out of bed because I know that it's possible for us to get back there.
And it starts with everybody becoming disillusioned.
Do you agree with this one guy named Joe?
I think his name is Joseph Biden.
I don't know if you know this guy or not.
I don't think he knows who this guy is.
I think you're right.
By the way, we can play a clip.
If you can play this clip of, is it Kirby?
Pat, before you pay the clip, I want to ask you the same question you just asked Candace because you're best known for that line that they said about you on Fox News, Born and Iran made it America.
You see these polls, you know, UK, I can tell you that UK is not number one based on personal experience.
What would you say?
Are we still the greatest country in the world?
I say 100% we still are.
But at the same time, I'm the optimist.
I'm the synergist who's extremely paranoid.
Naturally, I'm a startup entrepreneur.
I'm a paranoid guy that we have to constantly fight to keep it together and call out bullshit.
The best part about what's going on right now with America is, you know, the number used to be 40 immigrants.
Now we have 51 million immigrants.
It's the number one data to look at when you look at what country is the best country in the world.
Why do we dominate the world in immigration?
People still want to come here, not other places.
For me, if the country is so bad, why are still people wanting to come here?
Not other places now.
Well, it could be because our borders are wide open on the bottom.
I agree with that.
You can't get into Japan.
They don't care if you're born there or live there.
They're like, you're never becoming a citizen.
But guess what?
You got a lot of other options to go to.
People still from the Middle East, they dream about coming to America.
People still from, you know, Russia, other places, they still want to come here.
China's net migration is in the negative.
They're losing.
I think it's because we control, and that speaks to the poll that you mentioned about cultural significance.
I think that we dominate Hollywood, we dominate the media, and they have an idea of what America is.
And I think probably when they get here, it's not what they thought.
So what would be a better country?
I'm just saying that, like, I'm just trying to think of why people want to get to America because at one point we were those things.
I always liken it to what I thought Los Angeles was going to be before I got there.
I remember my whole life, I was like dreaming to go to Los Angeles.
Hollywood.
Yes.
I was like, Hollywood.
Oh, my God, amazing.
And then when I had my first trip out to LA, I was like, this looks like a dilapidated South American city.
I would say, let me give you another perspective on this to be thinking about.
In America, you still have 50 options.
You can live in America and have 50 choices, meaning you don't like California, go to Florida.
By the way, Newsom has to answer the question, why under your watch the greatest state lost people since 1851?
And why are they still losing money?
Why is it that data comes out showing the AGI, the top 10 highest tax states in America, lost $341 billion of tax revenue, and the bottom lowest tax states gained $341 billion?
You have to make the argument.
So in America, you have options to go different places.
I can go to a different region and have to have low regulation.
You know, people in Florida are complaining about the fact that teachers, teachers who are woke, they're not protected in Florida.
Great, go to California.
Totally okay with that.
So that's the thing about America, because it has the Constitution set up the way it is.
You can compete.
And if you don't like the policies in a state, there's still another state for you.
And if you want to, you know, find a way to improve, run for office, do something about it.
You can change.
But, you know, these things, there's options in America.
Tom, I think you want to say something.
Yeah.
This story we're talking about, the ranking, you have to understand how these rankings are done.
This is the media putting together this ranking, asking people about 20 questions.
What do you think about America for sports, for economy, for scenic beauty, all these things?
And then they make the ranking together.
Americans did not say, I have UK number one, New Zealand number two, and USA number three.
First of all, if I showed most Americans a map of the Hawaiian Islands and I said, which one is New Zealand?
They'd pick one.
So, you know, let's talk about reality.
But you understand, they make a ranking out of this.
And then U.S. News, not known for centrist values, comes out and says, Americans rank.
No, Americans didn't rank.
They asked a bunch of perceptions and they put together basically a golf score and America ends up in third place.
And so I think that there's also things going on like that where the media is trying to find ways to kind of propagate this, we ain't so good.
And I'm with you in the vision.
I have tremendous hope and confidence in the future vision.
Do I think that there needs to be bottoming points?
Like when an alcoholic uncle reaches the bottom and decides he's going to change?
I think countries need those bottoming points.
I still think this is the greatest place.
I agree that it's the greatest parchment ever produced in terms of the American experiment.
But I also think that right now we have a ton of issues.
And number one is we can't have our own national media trying to find the good in it instead of gleefully talking about a stack ranking, which if Americans had actually spent one day in London, they'd come back home and they'd be voting out of the world.
This is where I was going with Candace before you asked me about how I felt about it.
Sorry to rant.
No, I love that.
It's just to be expressed.
I'm totally okay with that.
No, what I was going to ask is Joe is being, Kirby's being interviewed and being asked about, hey, how do you feel about where Joseph Biden is, where the president is comments, he's making all this other stuff.
And, you know, he says the biggest issue in America is white supremacy.
What do you think the biggest issue in America today is?
Gosh, the white supremacy.
So there's never going to let it go.
They're never going to let it go.
I think I've testified twice on hearings where they are trying to tell you that white supremacy is the biggest issue.
And you were at the hate crime hearing where you just ruined everybody.
You fact-checked everybody in real time.
Jerry Nadler, everybody was like, oh, you had everybody stung, which was amazing.
People haven't seen it.
Go check it out.
And that's infuriating because I remember I said in my congressional testimony, if I had to make a list of 100 things that were impacting Americans, white supremacy wouldn't make a list.
And I mean that seriously.
Gosh, what would be first?
That's a very good question.
I can give you a few things that are ranked very importantly, but I don't want to say what I would say is first.
But the family unit being destroyed is, if it's not one, it's two.
What's happening with families and the governments creeping into our homes in regards to making people believe that marriage is not aspirational, that only happens in a society that's heading towards Marxist ideologies.
And that is literally the Karl Marx doctrine, right?
That if the government wants full omnipotence, it has to break down the family unit because the family unit stands in opposition to government omnipotence.
So I would probably say every ill that we're seeing in society right now, which you might think are unrelated are actually all related to destroying the family unit.
So sometimes you say, you know, why are they on this climate change thing?
And then you go, why are they fighting trans bathroom signs?
And what's with this LGBTQ stuff?
If you look at examine all these issues and you realize what they have in common, it's that they are attacking families.
So, climate change, they're telling children don't have kids, don't have kids.
It's irresponsible.
The planet's not going to be here for 10 years.
Megan and Harry got an award because they agreed to only have two kids.
It's about the shrinking of the family unit, which is totally bizarre.
The LGBTQ stuff, if kids are chopping off their parts, they're not going to be able to have a family.
You know, there's no nuclear family unit if it's two lesbians or two gay people.
More power to the government.
You've got to turn to the government to even have a child, which is now coming down the pipeline with all of those things.
And so, yeah, when I examine every issue that we're fighting, you can see that what the government is actually doing is trying to interrupt the family unit.
So, I would say that that's the number one issue.
Your friend Larry Elder said the exact same thing.
He put that at number one.
He put number one, right?
And then he, I mean, obviously, a guy like that.
I want to see what else.
Let me see what else he's going to say.
What else would you say?
Well, so I was saying, like, I would put family issues first because every other societal ill follows it, you know.
So, when we're even when I'm talking about the education system, right, and what's going on, and kids are getting systematically dumber across Baltimore, they can't find a single child that's proficient in reading and writing, but talk to the kid about BLM, and they're going to be like, Oh, yeah, no, absolutely.
They're training little Marxists.
The kids actually know nothing, they're essentially toddlers.
Like, when you see a toddler throwing a temper tantrum, they don't understand why, and so they just blame rich people, right?
It must be because of rich people that I failed in life.
No, it's because you literally couldn't pass a basic reading exam, and you were your life was cut off for you before you even graduated.
And but when you look at that, again, it brings you back to the family unit.
Uh, culture is a major problem.
Uh, uh, Hollywood and culture is definitely up there, and but they're again reinforcing the breakdown of family, the overt sexualization, the perversion.
I mean, that's what I'm saying about not importing American values.
That is one of the most I would say that is the most disgusting thing right now that's happening in America is this, this, the over-sexualization of our culture.
And I look at other countries and I'm like, no, I'd much rather be importing those values, right?
What are we exporting right now when you look at what celebrities are endorsing and the overt sexuality?
Obviously, you brought up that I did the whatever podcast.
It broke my heart to sit across from a 22-year-old who sleeps with 10 men a night.
And her answer is, Well, I make money, you know, I make hundreds of thousands a year.
You're 22 years old, and you look like you're possessed by a demon because you are.
Our culture is demonic.
And where would you put feminism on this?
Because that's essentially what it comes down to.
It's an attack on the family.
The monetization and the sexualization and the commodities.
Feminism is the number one attack on family, right?
I mean, what are they telling women?
Men ain't shit.
You know, you don't need to.
Get your bag, girl.
You don't need to get it.
Get your bag.
Yeah, that kind of disgusting.
You shouldn't be having children.
There's a whole culture called dinks on TikTok.
Dual income, no kids.
Yeah, you know, they're getting millions, millions of views.
My life is so great.
I don't have this.
Is literally the simulation right now that women are existing under and believing that they shouldn't be, that men are crap.
And by the way, there's a response to that, which we can talk about.
I talk a lot about masculinity and the decline of masculinity because feminists have been bashing men over the head about being men and how men don't have a lot of leaders and people that they can rely on.
And so we're just now kind of seeing a response to the hyper-feminine feminization of culture, which is what we are suffering from right now.
We are living in a matriarchy.
The illusion is that it's patriarchy.
It is, in fact, a matriarchy.
Everything that we are dealing with right now is because people are emotional.
Women have power.
Women are in positions of power.
And we are more emotional than men.
Most women are more emotional than men.
What about someone like Chelsea Handler?
So I do another show when I'm not doing PBD that discusses this exact same topic, right?
And Chelsea Handler attacked me.
I went back at her.
Oh, my God.
We went back and forth.
And, you know, she's like, this is what an alpha.
Yeah.
But, you know, I think it's flirting.
I think it was hardcore flirting.
You know, I'm in those 50-year-old alcoholic drug addicts.
You're not married yet.
But I thought that was that point.
You've gone to, you've been not so kind, and you went to war with Sarah Silverman, then Chelsea Handler, these almost 50-year-old women who could have had any guy they wanted in their 20s, beautiful, smart, intelligent, what have you.
You obviously chose a totally different path.
You started snorting feminism and their lives are.
And you consider yourself a trad wife, I would assume.
Yeah.
You somehow have this balance of being, you know, beautiful, but also intelligent, but also a mom and also a career woman.
Like, so essentially, what's your message for women out there?
Can you actually have it all?
Do you kind of have to pick the trad wife or the baby?
You need to prioritize.
Yeah, you need to prioritize.
And I think the answer for most women is prioritize your family, no question.
No question.
You know, there are some women that I would say, I met this girl and she probably shouldn't be a mom, right?
But the truth is, is that your greatest superpower that you will ever tap into.
I have never been more confident in who I am, more sure of myself than since I became a mother, you know, getting married and becoming a mother.
Can I give you a little maybe pushback?
If you had to choose one, meaning mother of three kids, Candace Owens, political punk, daily wife, you'd give it all up just to be a mother.
Why don't women understand that exact same topic?
Because it's not talked about culturally, because I'm considered counterculture, right?
That's not mainstream.
How are you saying that?
How dare you say that?
Women are being told that they should be like men.
By the way, we're getting the worst end of the deal.
I don't know who sat down and had the feminist meeting in the beginning and was like, hey, so here's how we're really going to make men lose.
First, we're just going to keep sleeping with them with no commitment, right?
We're going to just, right?
Yeah.
Oh, men are really going to hate that.
We're going to trick them.
And then we're going to be naked on the internet all the time.
We're just going to put our boobs out there.
We're going to fight to free the nipple.
Men are really going to hate that.
And we're also going to work our asses off just like men.
Yeah.
And then we're going to say, we're going to work just like you.
And we're going to bring in the same amount.
Men are really going to, I don't know if this is the worst deal ever.
I'm like, wait, wait, wait.
Do you mean to tell me that there was a time where we got to just be at home and cook and hang out with other women and raise our kids and somebody ruined that?
Bring me that woman.
Do you think, you know, like, but on top of that, men get to compete in your sport?
Yeah.
And that's okay.
That's noble.
That's noble.
And who supported that?
Women.
Yeah, women.
Feminists.
You know how they say, like, progressives, you can't stop something as it's progressing.
Is this the one issue that you think can regress?
Like, women will be like, you know, I don't know how many women are like, that's it.
I'm going back to the home.
I'm putting my apron on.
I'm going to be a good wife.
Do you actually think that's realistic, though?
I do.
I think it's happening because what we're getting to now is the end of that overt sexualization period.
And I always say to people, I'm like, examine the women that are telling you that this is going to bring you happiness.
Who are the women that are out there that have told you that this is a way to go?
Where are their lives right now?
Are they married?
Nope.
Multiple partners?
Yes.
By the time they get to Chelsea Handler's age and why I always use her as an example is because I was a huge fan of Chelsea Handler when I was younger.
I thought she was so funny.
I always watched Chelsea lately and I bought all of her books.
And, you know, obviously she wrote extensively.
She actually wrote about her multiple abortions, things of that nature.
So she had a chance at family and she chose against it because she decided that she was going to be young and beautiful forever and she isn't and wasn't going to be young and beautiful forever.
Right.
And so Chelsea Hamlin's a perfect example because when you play with feminism for too long and you can't go backwards, it inevitably ends with Xanax and wine and prescriptions and misery.
And now Chelsea Handler is realizing that biology is always going to trump sociology in the end.
In the end, biology sits back and it wins, right?
Father time is undefeated.
Right.
It's literally, it wins.
And so now she's got nothing to nurture.
And what happens is those women then start looking for a social philosophy, a social justice movement that they can try to turn into the son and daughter that they don't have, right?
I'm like, do you do?
And does anybody really think Chelsea Handler cares about like Dylan Mulvaney being allowed to go into the right bath?
No, of course she doesn't.
Nobody could care that much about Dylan Mulvaney.
I mean, when I heard her crying on her podcast, I was like, you need a child so bad.
Yeah, Adam Gabby.
Yeah, I'm like, do you want to babysit?
Tell me about it.
She can't have kids anymore.
Can it's last question on this topic?
Where do you draw the line?
Meaning, all right, so women should go to high school.
Obviously, women should go to college.
You went to college.
Okay, you go to college for what reason?
To get a return on your investment, to get a job.
Okay, I get a job.
I'm making money.
You said you paid back $150,000 in student loans.
I never did.
You've made something in your career.
I made a mistake.
You made a career.
Should have waited.
Are you saying that women shouldn't go to college?
Like, I interviewed this guy, Nick Fuentes, if you know who he was, communications director for Kanye, which I'm sure we could talk about.
But he said women should not go to college.
They shouldn't even finish high school, basically.
Most people should not go to college.
I was trying to make that very clear.
I'm with you.
I forgot not women or men.
It is what are you going to college for?
I went to college because there was a peer pressure campaign in high school.
If you don't go to college, you're going to be a failure.
And I think that that's the reason most people go to college is because the idea of being the kid that goes to community college is not, it means that you're the kid that's a loser and failed.
You're the smaller.
So everybody signs up for loans with money that they don't have, which marries you further to the state.
You know, Sally Mae loans are the ones that I took out, which were agreed.
I didn't understand anything.
I was signing because I didn't come from a wealthy family.
I was a first-generation college kid.
I was completely taken advantage of and started my life in mass debt for a journalism degree.
Does that sound like something that any person should be doing?
It's completely irrational.
I actually think there needs to be a collapse of the scam of college.
You know, people should be getting internships out of high school to figure out what the heck they want to do before they waste a bunch of money on a meaningless degree.
The majority of people are wasting their money.
I don't know many people that are using their actual degree in the real world, right?
The girls go and they sign up and they do fashion and marketing design, you know, and the guys, if you're doing a, you want to be a doctor and you know for sure that's what I want to do, yeah, sure, go to college if you have that vision and you're sure of yourself.
But right now, the whole college scam is what needs to collapse.
You did a video called college is a scam.
It is.
So it's, you have no idea how many girls that I talk to and interview.
They go to college, they graduate and they become bartenders for certain reasons.
And they can pay off their debt.
I'm like, why the hell did you even go to college?
Like, I don't know how it was supposed to.
But you did a video, College is a scam.
But you want your kids to go to college?
Your girls are going to college.
Like, how do you guys as parents grapple with what she's saying?
I've answered this question a couple times, and I've talked about STEM, and I'm very clear with my girls.
And it says, I'll fund STEM.
I'll fund skills that are going to be applicable with an appropriate ROI.
And, you know, we have set aside the funds for their college education and upped the amount twice in the last 10 years so that we could have enough getting there.
And I think the price is a little crazy, but I'll fund STEM.
I'll absolutely fund STEM.
You know, hey, I want to go with my boyfriend Philippe to the Sorbonne and study art history.
Well, I hope his effin parents are wealthy and cover you because I will not be.
So I'll go that route.
And also, you know, I think, you know, cardiologists, physicians, nuclear physicists, I think none of that should be self-taught in the garage, specifically nuclear physicists.
And that there's a reason for STEM.
There's a reason for STEM.
But also, Ann Coulter, you'll probably know about this, made a great point.
She said, if someone was graduating high school, she said, and the plumber is sitting there in his best and only suit that he has, proudly looking at his son graduating and says, my son's coming to work for me as a plumber.
And it says, why?
And the kid says, because I make 60 bucks an hour working with my dad's company.
And everybody goes, a plumber makes 60 bucks an hour?
Kids don't have any idea about trades.
This is where I think, in terms of gap years, Israel gets it right because you have service of country and you have disciplines that come out of that.
And they all don't stay in the military, but they sure as hell come out with disciplines and appreciation for that.
That's right.
No question about that.
Absolutely.
But you have boys and girls.
Yeah.
So do you have a different approach with what you would say to Tico and Dylan versus?
Same answers Tom gave.
I'm on the same page as Tom is.
Okay.
For me, if Dylan plays sports and he looks like he's going that route, he gets a scholarship to play sports and he wants to go to the next level, play professionally, it's a completely different discussion.
Tico wants to go do movies and Patrick wants to go to movies and stuff like that.
We're already talking about that.
Senna and Brooklyn, Brooklyn's animated David in the family.
She's ridiculous how animated she is.
Senna's a princess.
Senna's going to do whatever.
She gets the world from me.
I want to transition from this story out, Rob, if we can do this.
Okay.
So, you know, Joe Biden impeachment comes out.
Everybody's talking about it very emotionally for a lot of people, frustrated that this is going to be taking place.
I just sleep last night.
And, you know, this clip, if you can play this Representative Scott Perry on Biden's impeachment inquiry and what the reaction to this was, if you can just play this and get your reaction to this, go forward.
Yes, ma'am.
What actual evidence do you have as opposed to allegations to show to the American public that would merit an actual impeachment inquiry of Joe Biden and prove that today isn't just about some of you?
Oh, I don't know.
McCarthy for the sake of enacting political revenge.
This isn't about political revenge.
We have the bank accounts.
We can see, ma'am, you can see that the homes that the Bidens own can't be afforded on a congressional or Senate salary.
You also understand that it's not normal for family members to receive millions of dollars from overseas interest.
Those things aren't normal.
That's not normal to have 20 shell companies.
These things are not normal, and it alludes to not only just widespread corruption, but money laundering, if not influence peddling itself.
And we also have the president, the vice president at the time on record saying that the prosecutor was fired.
Well, son of a bitch, the prosecutor was fired, right?
Because the prosecutor was going after the company that his son was working on.
That's what we have.
If you can't see that, if you're that blunt.
Look, I'll turn it over to the attorneys in.
People can't see that.
They think it's political.
No, Guys, go back five seconds, Rob, because we just missed the main part.
Son was working on.
That's what we have.
If you can't see that, if you are that blind.
Look, I'll turn it over to the attorneys.
People can't see that.
They think it's political or something.
That's because you don't report on it.
I'm not sure how you know what the American people would have.
But here's what they might do.
You think anything's going to happen?
That guy's a legend.
Absolute legend.
This guy.
I need to meet him.
I mean, she's exactly right.
You don't report on it.
It's crazy.
Any person saying that there's no evidence of corruption, you really just have to have your head in the sand at this point.
And it's very frustrating because those people do exist.
There are people that are fully and utterly brainwashed.
I'm so fatigued by it.
I mean, I barely cover it on my show anymore because it's like if you need more information to show you that this is a corrupt family, then there's no more we can possibly give you.
And Ken is.
Do you think anything will happen, though?
Do you think anything will happen?
To the Bidens?
No.
Okay, you think they'll get impeached?
You think he'll get impeached?
I don't know.
I'm out of political.
What do you think, Tom?
I think they'll get the motion to the floor.
Remember, this is all about votes and who's got the votes.
It suddenly is not what is the right or wrong fair jury answer.
That's not it.
It's do you have the votes?
I think the House may have enough of the votes to get motions and get up to the, you know, to the altar, but there will be no kiss.
And then the Senate has to confirm any sort of impeachment.
We saw what happened with Trump when they owned the Senate, the Republicans.
It's all political fodder.
And at the very worst, worst, worst case scenario, which I don't think will happen, they'll just make Hunter Biden be the fall guy.
Nothing's happening to Biden.
And I actually don't think that anything is going to officially happen to Trump unless they want civil war part two.
So here's my thing.
And Tom mentioned hope earlier, and we always talk about this.
A lot of Americans, me included, share that deep frustration, right?
We feel like hope is dwindling.
The Democrats literally wield power, get away with murder.
The Republicans just are there like a facade.
They're just like, they have to be there for the show.
So, Candace, is the system rigged beyond redemption or is it still worthwhile to strive for change, especially for the benefit of the future generation?
Because people like me, I see this.
This is the Republicans barking.
The Democrats, nothing is going to happen.
Zero.
Nothing's going to happen.
Do you think that there is hope or we're just, this is just, we have to see just videos like this?
I definitely share your sentiment.
And I'm serious when I say that.
I just have so much fatigue with it.
I'm just like, okay, there's going to be an inquiry and nothing's going to happen because nothing ever happens.
Because if we lived in a system where it wasn't hopelessly rigged, Hunter Biden would be in prison.
Who do you know could just smoke crack like that with the Secret Service on hand?
And we poke at the White House.
Yeah, and we poke at the White House.
I mean, like, we're so past rigging and what's wrong and morality and ethics that it's, that's why I say the country is just in full decline.
And they're not even pretending.
Well, we.
We can't figure out how to put the cocaine in the White House.
Let it go.
Oh, God.
And there's no cameras.
Yeah, yeah.
And so it's just, I think I am just as frustrated as you.
Do I think we can correct the ship?
Yes.
If I didn't think so, I wouldn't get out of bed in the morning.
If I thought that it was completely hopeless, I'd be coming up with a strategy of how to leave the country.
There are good guys.
There are good players.
There are people that are well-meaning that actually do want to shake things up and change.
And I will say that we are in such a better position now.
When you look at the independent podcasters that have these massive followings, at the collapse of the mainstream media, at the fact that CNN can't pull in views that I can pull on my Twitter feed, that tells you that people are awake, that the fact that Richmond North of Richmond is the number one song in the world.
What does that signal to you?
It's that, okay, is it corrupt?
Yes.
But is it hopelessly corrupt?
No.
Because people are awake to the corruption.
And I don't think that's the situation that we were in five, six years ago.
You know what the enemy wants to do?
Two words.
It's called leadership fatigue factor and leadership endurance factor.
They want you to get fatigued.
They want you to get tired of it.
And they want you to stop talking about it.
That's how an opponent beats an opponent.
That's how what happens in boxing.
That's what happens in MMA.
That's what happens in football.
That's what happens in basketball.
That's what happens in the fourth quarter.
And they just look at you and say, they go back and they say, guys, we got them.
They're tired.
It's done.
Now go for their throat.
Take it all because their best players are fatigued.
That's exactly what they want you to think.
The more you think you're fatigued, you're tired.
You're like, you're helpless.
We can't do anything about it.
That's exactly what they want you to do.
Because in their mind, guess what they're thinking?
In the third quarter, they're thinking you figured that bullshit out and you're going to get them.
In the third quarter, they're worried about you.
And then comes Fourth Court.
So no, no, no, guys.
We knew they had a chance to beat us.
But look at them.
They're morally and mentally done.
We're going to destroy these guys.
Go run amok on these guys.
And then it's over.
That's what they're hoping for.
So when you said the good guys, who would you say some of the good guys are, by the way?
I'm curious.
I mean, culturally, I think that we're doing, everybody's doing.
I think what your podcast is doing is amazing.
I think, you know, just getting men to feel that they have a place in this world.
You know, I'm talking about the cultural gains that we have made outside of the political realm, which is why people say, do you want to run for politics?
No, I think the impact that I'm having in culture is more important.
You know, I think it's important people that are leading women down the right way.
I think you'd have a massive support.
Oh, my God.
I think you would have an army behind you.
And he mentioned it.
And Kennis actually wrote this down.
So you're an excellent communicator, unwavering patriotism.
You genuinely do, entrepreneurial spirit.
You have a commanding presence.
Given all those amazing qualities, I know Pat kind of asked.
Obviously, I would not even love it.
I would vote for a person like you.
Is seeing what they are doing and did to Trump influence you not to enter that arena?
Like, would that be one of those moments because you didn't say yes or no?
You kind of were iffy.
Seeing what they did to a guy that genuinely cared, you even said to yourself, you saw him make that speech.
You fact-checked and you're like, wait a minute, they're lying.
The guy is actually real.
Does that, what you're seeing that because they run the DOJ and they're all FBI, does that change your mindset?
Because you would kill it.
I don't fear them.
I don't fear them at all.
And I think that what they want is for you to fear them.
And I also think that because they're doing this to Trump, they just can't keep doing this.
So they've shown us so much.
They've revealed so much of who they are in the Trump years.
And in many ways, Trump became the sacrificial outside lamb.
And he's had to endure more than I think most people have to endure in the future.
I mean, they can't just keep coming out with allegations that they did with Trump when he came, you know, the whole Me Too thing.
You can't do that to what if a vake's going to run, you're just going to say that like 52 women also were raped by the vacant.
Once you do the absurd thing once, you can't just keep doing the absurd thing.
So in a way, he's kind of taking all of these bullets and making it actually easier for people in the future.
But I truly genuinely love what I think it's more important to win culture.
I think it's more important to fight on the molecular level.
I think it's more important to speak to women about reestablishing the families.
That's the war that the government has actually largely won, thanks in large part to the public school system and their stranglehold on Hollywood.
You're not allowed to be a conservative in Hollywood.
You must be in lockstep.
You must be influencing these principles, these ideas.
You can't name one young Hollywood actress or actor that is conservative.
Not one, period.
Not outwardly.
No, not outwardly.
I had left.
Older, you could go Clint Eastwood or what's your buddy that John Voigt.
John Voigt.
Oh, yeah.
Like, you can name it James Woods.
There's nobody under 30s.
No.
And if they knew that they slide into my DMs and like, I agree with you, but I'll lose my whole career.
That's how scary it is.
Oh, yeah.
I would be told, Candace, like, I'd be performing in Hollywood at big comedy clubs and I do a Trump funny, kind of giving him credit, but showing how ridiculous the situation is.
And the manager would be like, yo, dude, you can't, you didn't hear the like, they don't like the Trump.
And I'm like, don't talk, don't do Trump jokes.
Brother, you're in L.A.
I know this one, but guess what?
What do you mean?
Guess what?
Hold on.
People are going to me after the show.
I'm like, dude, that was freaking hilarious.
I had a Persian guy once go, I couldn't laugh because my wife is like everybody's in that moment.
He couldn't laugh in front of his mother.
He couldn't laugh if his wife is hard.
Talk about demasculating men.
Can't even laugh.
And so this, my question I want to ask, just going to a point is, so Candace, a Fox poll came out that the African-American support for Biden dropped 30% and actually went up 12% for Trump.
Do you think that there's like that type of change is going to have like meaningful impact for like the next for the because he's going to obviously run in 2024?
Do you think that'll make an impact for?
I've always said that I don't know how long it's going to take, but since Trump got into office, I knew that we were going to start to see black Americans go away from the Democrat Party.
I mean, that just made sense to me, especially black American men.
I think they're really awake to these sorts of things right now.
And I think that is in large part because there is this kind of pro-masculine movement that's happening.
And the Democrats are really just the left is offering this culture where you got to kind of have to be a wimp.
You do.
Men have to be a wimp.
You have to let the women have to lead and you just need to shut up.
And I just think that for black men, that's just not going to be a thing.
And I think that there's something that they're gravitating towards being conservative principles, which by the way, black Americans, we're all conservative.
We just don't know it.
I'm serious.
I believe it.
Police on just the issues.
You're conservative.
You're conservative.
But they better strike while the iron's hot because the only candidate out there that I think black Americans would gravitate towards is Trump.
So if they don't do it now in four years, whether it's DeSantis, whether it's, God forbid, Mike Pence, like Mike Pence ain't grabbing black America.
Like, I don't think there's a whiter guy out there.
So it better happen now.
We were talking about this attack on masculinity and what they did with Trump and he's a sacrificial lamb.
You know, the face of masculinity these days arguably is who?
Andrew Tate.
Right.
Yeah.
And so I was really interested in speaking with Andrew Tate.
I know you guys had him on this podcast too, because you can debate whether or not you think what he did in his history, he should account for it now.
And, you know, he was involved in all of these things.
I get it.
I get it.
Tens of millions of men follow him.
Okay.
Your opinion about his past means nothing.
I need to understand this, right?
I am the person, I think it's really stupid and it defies logic when people say that, oh, this person has tens of millions following.
This means that all tens of millions of the people that are following him must be racist, must be misogynist, must be human sex traffickers.
I mean, you're just not even trying to think or trying to understand the cultural moment.
I am way too interested to come up with an assessment like that.
You know, tens of millions people are not following Trump because they're racist.
That's stupid.
Okay.
So you're missing something and you should be interested in what it is that you're missing.
Tens of millions of young men and grown men are not following Andrew Tate because they hate women.
Okay.
That's a very stupid, shallow assessment.
They want more women, to be honest with you.
Exactly.
And so, and when I started realizing the people that were following him, you know, college graduates, men that are interested in business, what the Hustler University was all about, I wanted to speak to him.
And what I've realized is he is a direct cultural response to 10 years of men being told that they are not shit from women, right?
The Lena Dunhams, the girl culture, Taylor Swift with 10, an army of 10 girls.
Every song's about a guy and why men suck.
I mean, there has been a world girl.
Who's the world Beyonce?
Girls.
The future is a fairy.
I mean, there has been a decade, the future is trying to Hillary Clinton, you know, men just shut up, Me Too movement, a decade of men being told that they have no value, no value in this society, okay?
It is inevitable because I believe in equilibrium, right?
Because I believe that eventually the world has to correct itself, the energy has to correct itself, that there was going to be men that started saying, actually, you do have value.
Actually, that woman has no value.
Actually, women ain't shit, right?
You know, because she's a hooker, because she's a sex worker.
And this is what we're seeing right now.
And to people that don't understand that, it's because you're pretending that we haven't been existing under a matriarchy actually longer than 10 years.
I mean, it's been about 15 years of sustained trash talk to men that has just been circulated in the mainstream media.
And the best part about it, which is just so brilliant, you got to love women because we can be Machiavellian, is that at the same time that we're doing this, we're claiming that we're the victims.
It's like, and also like me too, and time's up.
But like, we're completely dominating the narrative for the last 15 years.
And so I understand it.
I get it.
And I'm actually so happy that men are starting to talk about what it means to be a high-value man and to bring in a high-value woman.
Right.
And so is Andrew Tate the perfect person who, you know, that in his past is his, no, he's got a lot of things in his past that I, and I said to him when I interviewed him, you know, I think he should just be forthcoming and have humility and admit the mistakes.
And he did a little bit of that.
That in the interview, he said he looked.
I showed him some old clips of himself, and he genuinely was not happy to hear himself.
Yeah, right.
Genuinely, you could see it on his face, like embarrassed that this is who he was 10 years ago.
Speaking of change, people can improve.
People can change.
Let him change because what an asset he would be, you know, to he has these men that are following him.
Allow him to evolve.
Allow him to be sorry.
Allow him to make changes.
And don't be above anything else.
Stop discounting all of those young men that are coming from broken homes that are directionless and that are being told that they have no value that are following him.
Fully agree.
One more point with this.
The high-value man, you said high-value man, high-value woman.
I think it's very easy to define a high-value man, a man who's protector, provider, present for his woman, respects people, physically fit on the outside, morally correct on the inside, obviously makes money, men of status.
It's easy to define.
That's not a problem.
How would you define a high-value woman, though, especially these days?
Is it beauty?
Is it social following?
Is it just being a mother?
Like, what's a high-value woman?
I think it is a woman that wants to be the CEO of the home.
I think it is being aspirational.
I think it is allowing men to lead.
I genuinely believe that that is the dynamic that works.
Like, my husband leads in our household.
You know, that is, that is just the way that it works.
You know, I think it is being beautiful.
It is an element of it.
That part of what the feminist rinsing tried to do was to, you know, the Lena Dunhams, don't shave your arm parents.
That's part of the page.
That's disgusting.
You know, like make yourself less attractive.
You know, it's because men like attract.
Okay, you think you're going to convince men to like ugly women if we just make ourselves ugly?
It's like trying to be never going to happen.
Yeah, it's like you're trying to make somebody say like eventually you're going to make them love disgusting food.
Like, you know, you know, of course, people, you should be attractive.
You should take care of yourself, but that shouldn't be the number one focus on Instagram, trying to be sexy.
It's also being conservative.
Men like mystery.
I mean, I cannot imagine how any man thinks it's attractive for their girlfriend or for their wife to constantly be naked on the internet and available to other men.
It's gross, you know?
And so that's what I tell women.
Men want to wonder about you.
You know, you just don't want to put everything out there.
Sure, if you do put everything out there, men will want to sleep with you.
They're biologically wired that way.
Absolutely.
You can get a man to slide into your DMs and want to sleep with you, but you are not wife material.
And he knows that.
Yeah, like Logan Paul's situation.
Can you like, can you imagine?
Like, because I don't know none of the history.
I saw him go down on his knee and he's proposing and she's like excited.
And there was that moment.
And then you just see all the slew of every guy and everything.
What do you think about that?
Okay.
I'm going to give a very nuanced take on that situation.
And I think it's a lesson for women.
So I actually loved Nina Agdo.
I follow her on Instagram because I didn't know her youth until Dylan Danis just kind of dropped it.
I knew her.
I'm very into fitness.
And she has this thing called like the Agdoll method.
And so I started following her.
She was super pretty and doing all that stuff.
And then obviously this battle between Logan and him got real and he starts dropping this.
And this is what I say to women.
Unfortunately for her, she put on an entire record because it's popular to talk about cock and to be, you know, this is what I'm saying.
It's like this is this is a feminist simulation.
Like, oh, it's hot.
Talk about your partners and talk about how you like cock and, you know, how you don't have a gag reflux.
I mean, so crass.
I had never seen these clips.
So crass for her to say.
And she did this because it's cool and it's relevant when you're young and in your 20s and you're a part of the free the nipple, you know, simulation.
And then now it diminished her value.
It did.
And that's the truth.
And this is, this should be a warning and a lesson for women.
And she's obviously being honest and how humiliated she is and how she thinks it has impacted her life.
It has impacted her life.
There's no question.
If Logan does not marry her, I don't think there's going to be a man that does not take this into account.
I mean, the videos are.
It's ridiculous.
It's ridiculous.
Do you think he will?
I think he probably feels responsible for what happened to her.
So he might, he, yeah.
I actually don't think it's as bad as I know Nina.
She's from Miami.
She's dated actually two of my very good buddies.
Like, it's not like some girl I met.
Like, she dated.
Two of your buddies.
Oh, yeah.
Reed and Patrick.
One's a famous DJ, one's a big realtor.
You've met one of their partners.
Now, Dylan's going to drop the pen.
There we go.
Now here goes the photos.
Oh, they're already out there.
They're already out there.
And these guys are good dudes, good-looking dudes.
I believe that she's just a sign of her times, feminism, liberalism.
She's also a social climber.
Before she dated Logan Paul, you know, she did Leonardo DiCaprio, Adam Levine.
There was allegedly some stuff with.
We all know now.
Of course.
But my point is this.
She's also a sports illustrated cover model.
She's actually a good person.
Yeah, she seems to be.
She's like, you said that you were a fan.
Dylan Dannis is doing her super dirty now that she has a court restraining order, whatever going on like that.
But I'll give you this.
This goes back to your point.
There's so many girls way worse than what she's doing.
Oh, of course.
So many girls way worse than what she's doing.
This is what I'm trying to say to him.
Like, this matters.
I mean, I was very surprised by the stuff that she has said.
And I think she said it to be funny.
And that's supposed to be like a girl's being open about their sexuality.
But men don't want that.
It's extremely embarrassing to a man to look at videos of your wife talking about gag reflexes, your soon-to-be wife talking.
It's really embarrassing.
It's a great case study.
I will tell you.
This is a phenomenal case study for everyone.
What do men?
Phenomenal case study on what all the other girls worldwide right now watching this laughing, doing whatever they're thinking.
You can either do it to get eyeballs like, oh my god, I can also do that, let me make a video about you know, in a morning and all, or you can say hey man, I can't have some like this because this thing's gonna come back up to me one day and I'm gonna have to face this.
Mothers, you know, imagine bringing that girl home to your mom and your mom seeing this trending, like I would.
They're gonna know the entire family, even even though at first they're gonna be like you know, I really like her.
And then you know what, who she's doing.
He's dating this girl.
Let me look.
Do you know who this girl is?
Yeah, that girl, but this girl, that guy.
I have to say one more thing, though.
I have to, because let's not forget one thing, she's actually beautiful, she's actually fit.
She's not some like only fans model.
She's not a prostitute, she's not a whore and like let's forget, she actually is conventionally beautiful.
On the other hand, look at Lizzo.
Yeah, you want people to be like Lizzo.
Lizzo has no dirty videos out in the video, yet she's the definition of freaking beauty, I guess, if she has no dirty videos if you've seen her instagram, she's she's absolutely meaning like porn videos.
But should men idolize someone like Lizzo now?
And that's why Nina is actually a great case study?
Because she doesn't.
She's not on, only fans, that's the point.
And she's still suffering the consequences.
Yes that's, you know.
I I told you I like her, i've followed her like, I think.
I agree with you.
I think she's beautiful fit, all of those things, but the the bigger point is that she's not even a prostitute.
And look at how this is coming back to haunt her and Pat you you're, you know you having kids and uh Candace, you having children.
Well, the other flip side of it is list, and this is going to like a Kim Kardashian, like this girl, Pat she the, what's her name?
The one that started on this, so she has, she's gonna Have kids one day.
The internet, that doesn't go away.
Those videos are always going to be there.
Like the Kim Kardashian, a couple, I think about a year ago, she was crying, bawling because she's like, she tried to get Kanye to buy the video of the sex tape.
Those kids, it's not going to go away.
Your kids are going to see that.
But by the way, listen, you want fast success?
You can do it.
You want fast money?
Go sell cocaine.
You want fast success?
Make stupid videos of you with sex tapes and release it.
Trust me, immediately, you can be famous starting off with a high school.
Then you can be famous in a college.
And then if you're, you know, you have some kind of momentum, it could be national.
Nobody's talking about it, depending on who the guy is, right?
But that fame comes with consequences.
And you have to live with that for 10, 20 years.
So if you're okay with that speed, go for it.
So for her, this happened to her.
She's not a dummy.
This is not a girl that's a dummy.
Nina or Kenny?
No, Nina's not a dummy.
Nina knows what she's saying and what you know, the video you're making, stuff like that.
It's can and at this point, with what's happened there with the situation, her Dylan, Logan, all this stuff.
So he has to marry her.
Wow.
He has to marry her.
He has to marry her.
There is no now.
You can marry and divorce in three years, but he has to marry her now because he will look for the rest of his life.
He's going to have to say, Dylan is the one that got you to leave that girl.
Oh, you're probably permanent.
He has to marry Dylan.
He also has to beat Dylan in this fight to save Facebook.
Oh, he will be.
You brought up something I think is super important.
It's a boxing fight.
It's not MMA fight.
You brought up Kim Kardashian.
That's how this whole thing started.
That's the tip of the spear.
Yes.
Okay.
So with the deal and sex tape.
Everyone will look to her and say, well, she did a sex tape.
Now she's a billionaire.
Okay.
Like the whole family's been manufactured.
I have obviously firsthand, like my best friend is the guy, Chris Humphries, that married Kim Kardashian.
And I was a groomsman in the wedding.
I walked Chloe down the aisle.
I saw Kendall and Kylie when they were 15, 16.
Like Bruce was Bruce.
When Bruce was Bruce, straight up.
So I've seen this whole thing play out.
And a lot of girls are like, I remember when you did it.
And like all girls love Kim Kardashian.
But don't you think that's the person that started this entire thing?
And she married Kanye.
Yeah, I don't think most girls, all these girls love Kim Kardashian.
I think actually.
What do you mean?
She has more Instagram followers.
She is followed and she is great at marketing herself.
But I do think that there is now a strong pushback to Kardashian culture.
I think that's ending, is what I'm kind of saying.
I don't see it at all.
I think it's changing.
You know, I don't think she's as idolized as she was.
I think that Kim Kardashian caught that moment of femininity and sexuality.
She was the, she is the it girl of what we're talking about.
She is the it girl.
She is the moment.
She was talking about sex and people that that's what their show, that's how it became popular.
It was who they were dating, you know, who they were sleeping with.
She's crying about her sex tape.
She's crying about this.
Like she brought forth the sex culture.
So she is the icon from the moment that we're talking about.
But I think we are actually moving away from it.
And with Kim, she's a great example.
She's got tons of money and she's got tons of wealth.
You know, what's her personal life?
Is that it?
Is it just money and wealth?
This is her fourth marriage that's failed.
Am I correct?
Her fourth marriage that's failed.
Well, she told me she's going to have let's be honest.
Who's going to marry Kim Kardashian?
She's way too, she's way too worst.
Tom, look at this here.
The highest negative Q score belongs to Kim Kardashian 71.
Wow.
But I'll give you this argument, though.
It's not just Kim.
It's Kendall.
It's Kylie.
It's Chloe.
OK, but then Kendall, I think we'll get married.
She's actually kind of abstained from the.
What do you mean?
She's dating half the NBA.
What are you talking about?
She's quite, she's quiet, though.
She doesn't really, you know.
She's quietly dating half the NBA.
I'll give you that.
Okay.
Well said.
But then, this is my point.
Then they all have kids.
And you don't think that their kids are going to be the most famous girls in the world?
Adam, where are you going with it?
She's saying that you think it's coming to an end.
But you're saying that this is going to continue.
I'm saying it's 1 million percent.
But hear me out.
This is great.
So what is going to happen is with this case study, again, life is about case studies.
You're going to study case studies.
You go to Harvard to get an MBA.
What the hell do you think you do for three years when you get your MBA?
500 case studies.
When you go to Harvard for a three-week program, Wharton, all you're doing is case studies for three, four years.
These guys that go work at McKinsey, Gartner, all these kind of BCG, they only go there because they have 500 case studies under their belt that they went through for whatever business degree they got.
This is a phenomenal case study for churches to use.
This is a phenomenal case study for schools to use.
This is a phenomenal case study for parents to use.
This is a phenomenal case study for a lot of people to use.
And by the way, this case study is going to inspire some people to say, what?
You know what?
You guys are out of your mind.
I'm going to follow what she did.
No problem.
Still go out and do it.
We've been trying to get people to say no to drugs for a long time.
People are still saying yes to drugs.
Okay.
And what do you do?
Hey, did you see how many people died from fentanyl?
Did you see how many people died from cocaine?
In Plano, when we used to live in Plano, kids went to school.
Everybody before went moved to Plano.
Tom's like, Pat, let's move to Plano.
So I'm like, okay, so we moved to Plano.
I started saying, where are you guys moving to?
Oh, we're moving to Plano.
I know nothing about Plano, Texas, when I'm in L.A. We're living in Granada Hills or where were we living at?
We were living in Puerto Rancho or whatever.
Where Puerto Ranch?
It's like, oh, you're going to go to heroin Plano?
Like, heroin Plano?
Type in Plano and heroin, right?
Brother, that's always the best time.
Somebody's like, oh, you're going to.
You're going to crack Florida.
I'm going to crack Miami after, okay, look back.
Look at the third story.
Look back at the Plano Heroin Christian.
20 years ago.
So I'm like, what, heroin?
So kids were dying left and right.
You get cheap labor there.
That's why I'm going to move.
But the point I'm trying to make to you is you're right.
Some people are going to look at this and say, this is how I'm going to get fame.
And some people are going to look at this and saying, oh, my God, for the rest of my life, I'm going to get stuck on this.
I don't want to stay on this story.
I want to move on.
Here's a story I want to go to.
Rob, play this clip that you and I saw yesterday.
Play this clip that you and I saw yesterday from AI.
So I'm really curious to know what your thoughts are on this.
So this is a new technology tracking which one of these workers at this coffee shop are working the hardest, the AI.
And then it tracks which customers sit in there the longest to track.
So watch this AI.
Go for it.
Camera does all of this for you.
Anna's done 20 cups.
Vika's done 10 cups.
Elena's done 10 cups.
Olga's done three cups.
So the boss can come back and say, hey, Olga, any reason why you sat your ass down for an hour, all you did is three cups all day, you're fired, right?
Leaning on the counter in the back.
She's doing nothing in the back.
And look at how hard Anna is working.
So guess what?
This favors who?
Anna deserves a raise.
Olga deserves to be fired.
And the 10 cups per day guys deserve to just get exactly what they're getting paid.
They can't ask for a raise.
Now, Rob, put the picture I texted you in Congress, which is very interesting.
This AI now tracks which percentage of these members of Congress stay on their phones the longest time.
Wow.
You see name there, 76.9%, 85.5%, 61.2%, 81.2%.
Is this an area of AI where a level of accountability and surveillance goes to a level where a boss, a parent, by the way, parents, your kids go to school.
Now you can see what teachers are doing with kids.
You can kind of watch what teachers are doing with kids.
You can now track what your kids are doing in school.
You can track this for sports.
Who's practicing?
Who's training when they go to the gym?
Imagine a football coach has AI.
Three hours you're going to the gym.
Which linebacker is actually training for how long?
Which one is not?
You can now officially track how many reps they did, how many sets they did.
Is this a good thing with this level of accountability, or does this kind of concern you?
Gosh, really hard to answer right off the cuff.
But what I will say is that we are like suffering from chronic laziness right now.
And that would transform if you knew that you were being watched.
It's why when your boss walks in, you kind of stiffen up and you start doing stuff because you know that you're being watched.
And because I know how far millennials, Gen Z go in terms of a laziness, like they do need a little kick in the butt.
Maybe this could be the solution.
By the way, regarding schools, I've always thought, why can't I watch my kids while they're in school?
They have daycares.
For daycares, you can do that because they want parents to feel comfortable about what's happening so you can log in and you can watch what's going on.
That's right.
This crisis that we're dealing with, like kids beating up their teachers, what if they knew their moms were just watching them from their smartphones?
These kids might straighten up a little bit.
We love that, by the way.
Yeah, and we would feel good about seeing.
I'm so okay with schools being able to have cameras and letting parents access that.
That does not bother me at all.
I think that's a great idea.
And that's a great way to use AI too.
And teachers would probably be doing less finicky stuff in the classroom.
But there's an element of this that also feels subhuman.
Yeah.
Like we're watching like robots.
Like, I don't know.
Like, we're suddenly in like I am legend or something.
It is.
Was that the iRobot?
What is the iRobot?
Yeah.
iRobot.
Minority report with the positive side of it.
I see it if it's like a Starbucks and you're monitoring for this type of stuff.
But Olga got to get fired.
Olga's gone.
Free cups?
Olga's got to go.
The breaking news.
Olga got departed.
Olga just went back to Ukraine.
Sorry.
Not she's relying on Anna.
I don't like any of this.
But Kennis, like, see, like, Olga gotta go.
By the way, this describes almost every work environment, every sports team, every place.
Like, I'm with you, Kennis.
I'm with you because, yeah, it's cool.
I'm kind of creeped out about it a little bit, but then, like, how far do we go?
Like, in China, their AI system can, if you're crossing the street and you jaywalk, it doesn't have to see your face.
If it sees your body walking, it takes money out of your account already.
And if you don't pay it, your social score goes down.
And if people are hanging out with you, their shit goes down.
And it's like, this is the beginning of the end.
Tom, you're a father.
What do you think about this?
Oh, my God.
I happen to be married to a teacher who every now and then does parent conferences.
And data always wins.
Whether you're the district attorney or the prosecutor or your school teacher, data always wins.
People sit down and you say, hey, I'd like to talk to your kid about math and everything.
Well, they probably need more instruction or attention from you.
What's the ratio?
Do you have an assistant that's in the class?
Usually you start there.
And then it's like, here's the baseline.
Here's the test they took.
Let's look at the numbers.
Okay, what do we have to do?
Suddenly it flips the switch.
You know, oh, my son, my daughter wouldn't do that.
Let's look at the surveillance camera at the 7-Eleven.
Okay.
What do we do to keep him out of jail?
Is there a probation option here?
Data changes everything.
That's what happened this week, by the way, while I was in school.
So I feel very strongly that there is a creepy side to this to government surveillance.
But you know what?
Data usually stops arguments and moves people toward discussion of solutions.
That's how I feel.
I'll add one more thing.
What you're saying is Olga's got to be fired.
Oga's got to go fire.
Sure.
Olga got to go.
Olga's got to get fired.
Olga's got to be the title of this video.
Olga Getting Fired.
Here's what I'll say last time.
That's exactly right.
And Olga comes in with an employment attorney, and then we say, Siri, let's just sit down and look at this.
And then he leaves and tells Olga, Oga, there's nothing I can do for you.
Yeah, Olga's lawsuits go away.
I'll say, Candace, I think, was right.
This is neither good nor bad.
It's just, it's a thing.
And I equate this to the metaphor of what social media is or even what marriage is.
And I'll say this.
Like, you know, the great thing about social media is everyone has a voice that can say what they want to say.
But also, the bad thing about social media is everyone has a voice that can say what they want to say.
So when I talk to people about marriage, this one answer was so poignant.
He goes, What do you love about marriage?
Like, oh, I love my wife.
You know, she's just always there.
She's always there for me.
I go, what do you not like about marriage?
My wife is always there.
And that's exactly what this is: is that like they're just tracking you.
Are you forced?
By the way, run a portion of it.
I think at the end of the day, this is better for society or worse for society.
And would you use it?
I would absolutely use it.
Vinny, we're using it.
Let me tell you why I would use it.
You ready?
You ready?
I would absolutely use it and tell them that person that's working the most, you get to come and ask me for a massive raise.
Perfect.
Go for it.
You get to come and ask me for a raise because the video validates you're working your ass off.
And the people that say, no, we shouldn't do this and all this stuff.
No, problem.
Totally get it.
I would walk in and say that.
Say, hey, Pat, I think I've been working hard.
It's a 3% inflation raise.
I think I deserve 5% to 10%.
Why do you think that?
And it says, can we take a look?
Have you been watching me?
Check the stats.
Yeah.
Roll the tape.
You were going to say something?
Because you know, that and a place too, Pat would, I think, make people work because they know they're getting so nobody's going to old by the way.
That's what I mean.
It could be good for such a lazy generation.
Exactly.
I actually like it.
I like it a lot.
By the way, I want to spend 30 seconds on the next story.
I had no plans of covering bad news because we're having such a good time on the podcast, but I think we have to do this.
30 seconds, I think it's necessary.
Mitt Romney says he won't be coming back for re-election.
I'm running.
I didn't want to ruin everyone's day.
I know you guys have a lot of different things you're dealing with, and it's terrible news.
We're going to have to overcome this collectively together as a unit.
I think we're strong enough to do it.
We have faced the tougher challenges in the past before, but this should be tough.
I think we can do it, Senator Mitt Romney, not seeking re-election.
We have to move on, guys.
We just have to move on.
I think we should have a moment of silence for the people of Utah.
Half a second.
Half a second.
We should have it and move on.
Okay.
Oh, God.
So, next clip.
Rob, do you have the other clip?
Let me see if you have the other clip on our friend Karine Jampierre.
She's if you can, she's if you can, you know.
She's black and a lesbian.
She wants everybody to know that.
Her DEI score is crucial.
And by the way, Candace had this jacket before she even thought about buying that jacket.
We just throw that out there.
Candace said, That bitch stole my look.
She did.
She did.
I didn't care.
So, Peter Doocy asked, Is this the question about fossil fuel?
Is that what's going on?
Where she walks off?
Oh, she just no, no, no.
He asked a question from her.
I don't think, I don't know if this is the one or not.
How recent is this video, by the way?
Go back to it.
If it's recent, then that's the one.
This one is from yesterday.
Okay, then this is the one.
Let's see if she, if this is the one.
Just play.
Let's see this clip.
And with that, folks, explain why the president interacted with so many of his sons forward business associates.
No, this is not the one.
I'll find it.
I'll send it to you.
I'll find it.
I'll send it to you.
There's a question that Peter Doocy asks about fossil fuel.
I think it's absolutely fantastic that he asked.
I'll go to another story.
We'll come back to it.
We have to cover that story.
Okay.
Papa Pa-Papa, which one do we want to go to?
Let's go to this story with over half of transgender prisoners in Wisconsin are sex offenders.
Obviously, very surprising.
But let's take a look at this here to see what this is telling us: this story.
So, a report from Wisconsin Department of Correction reveals that over 50% of male inmates identifying as transgender females of Wisconsin prisons have been convicted of at least one count of sexual assault, assault, or sexual abuse.
Out of 161 transgender-identifying male inmates, 81 of them have been convicted of such offenses, including crimes like sexual exploitation of child rape and sexual intercourse without consent.
The Oversight Project at the Heritage Foundation obtained these records, and director Mike Howell emphasized that men belong with men and men only in prison.
He argued that housing sex offender men who claim to be women with female inmates is concerning and contributes to perceived moral decline.
What do you have to say about this story?
I mean, least surprising story ever.
I've been talking about this, and there's a two-prong approach here.
First and foremost, the advantage of a man, you commit a crime, you commit a sex crime, you molest a child, and you know how they treat pedophiles in prison, you know how they treat sexual deviants in prison.
So you just say, actually, no, I'm transgendered.
That's what's actually happening.
Please put me amongst the women inmates who now need to accept.
And the fact that the prisons are doing this, they're acknowledging them and affirming them, and that taxpayers are having to bear the expense.
I can't even talk about how much that infuriates me.
But the second element of this is that there is what's not being spoken about, what's definitely being spoken about in my podcast, is the growing alphabet mafia and how they are now adding letters that really just imply sexual deviancy.
You know what I mean?
Like a man feeling the need to put on panties, a woman's underwear, and you're pretending that that's like a gender or an identity.
Perfect example, Sam Brinton, the nuclear energy White House person who literally was open about the fact that he was a sexual deviant, wearing heels, lipsticks, into pup play, which if you look into what pup play actually is, you will be shocked at how disgusting it is.
You know, on a leash and still got a job.
You know, you used to be fearful that if they Googled you and you'd find this stuff online, your employer, you couldn't get hired.
This guy got right.
Oh, this guy.
That used to be a disqualifier if you could find somebody naked in straps and into pup play.
Sam Britton, just outwardly, I am a freak and flying my freak high, gets the job after his job.
He was a new person.
He was the head of nuclear waste in the energy department.
I gotta go.
No, I promise you.
And then guess what happened?
He's a club though.
He got arrested three times for stealing women's panties at freaking airports.
That guy?
Yes.
Not just one hair.
Can't suit him.
A guy like that would never do something like this.
And then what are you supposed to be surprised?
I am shocked.
Told you I'm a freak.
And then I did some freaky things, right?
And that's what's happening right now in this climate of non-binary.
I'm a man, but I want to wear women's underwear and be freaky.
They're telling you that something is wrong, right?
They are saying, I am flying my freak flag high.
And then we're all supposed to be shocked when they do something that's sexually deviant.
And that it's mind-boggling to me.
It's why I am, it is an issue that I care passionately about.
I am a mother to young children.
Why does a drag queen want access to a child?
Can anybody answer that big question?
Okay, you're a man and you like to dress up as a woman and go to nightclubs.
Okay.
Flying your free flag high.
Now you're demanding access to read books to children.
Does that not just do we can we pass the sniff test, guys?
No?
And then you have women out there.
You know, it's, you know, it's really interesting.
We're here.
We're queer.
We're coming for your children.
You've heard this before.
Yes.
Let's all say it in unison, guys, right?
I mean, it's scary.
And Ken, and here's my thing.
Like, for instance, like, you know, we have, everybody here has freaking gay friends.
I have gay family members.
When it comes to like the Pride Month and everything, it's like, could you talk about the sexuality of it?
It's like, when is it ever cool?
Name another month or a day or a moment where it's cool for any group to walk outside butt naked, G-string.
And I get that there's like people are bringing their kids, which I think they should, you know, go to jail.
When is it ever cool for you to be in a bike butt naked?
Yeah.
Why was that?
Literally, if I said, hey guys, tomorrow's family day, we're going to have a family parade and we're going to celebrate families.
No person is showing up butt naked, right?
No family showing.
So you don't know something about this.
That's crazy.
Get naked, get on a bicycle.
You know, the men that were on bicycles, literally naked, right?
But for some reason, when you say it's an LGBTQ pride parade, you know you're going to see nudity.
What does that tell you?
And people are fearful to talk about this.
And it's crazy to me as a parent that we've allowed this to go so far, that we've allowed sexual deviancy to be perceived as an identity, you know, as something that needs to be treated and loved.
And who are the people behind saying we have a lot women?
It's always women.
Why do women not see the ridiculous?
And why aren't the women speaking out more about trans men in sports?
Like, why don't we feminists?
Those are the Chelsea handlers, right?
And so that's a whole different simulation.
It's the moms at home are not the ones that are pushing that.
What percentage of women under 30, best guests, do you think fall into that type of ideology?
Like feminist?
Yeah.
Like they love Chelsea Handler.
They're cool with this.
They're cool with men being in sports.
Difference if you're talking like early 20s versus end of 20s.
I'm saying Gen Z. Let's talk about that.
25 and under.
That's the future.
This is who we're trying to convince not to go down this path.
You want a percentage?
That's what I'm getting.
Well, I know that you've highlighted that 20% of Gen Z identify as LGBT.
Look, here's a mayor in Burbank.
He's an Armenian mayor, okay?
This guy.
In the classroom, he's having this guy spank him.
Check this out.
This is the Burbank.
This is the Burbank mayor.
The music might be.
That's the Burbank mayor that's doing this.
Pride, proud.
Love, love.
I mean, she's a strong warrior.
And he's like, what's wrong with that?
There's nothing wrong with it.
Some of the craziest tweets came out about this guy, which is absolutely wild when you see the GUSD folks posted his tweets.
Oh, my God.
Constantine Anthony out of Burbank doing this.
By the way, here's Oklahoma Elementary School faces calls for firing drag queen principal.
The principal in Oklahoma is a drag queen.
Can you please pull this up picture for us?
Pull this picture up for us to see it.
So calls to fire drag queen principal Shane Mernon, also known as Chantel Mandalay.
Yeah, moonlights as a drag queen, but then also previously was arrested on child porn.
20 years ago, 20.
Yeah.
And basically got away with it because of a technicality.
I looked into this case.
Technicality because they found what was clear to one judge and another judge was child porn.
But then when they brought the trial forth, they couldn't identify the child.
And so basically they were like, you can't prove this is actually a child, right?
So they had to drop, I swear, because you have to be able to prove.
So if I say that this is a child, even if it's abundantly clear to all of us, this is a child, you have to be able to prove that, right?
So it was clear enough that they arrested, they arrested him.
It was clear enough that a judge said this arrest holds.
And then another judge said, you actually have to be able to say who that child, like, we have to be able to say that person is actually a minor.
And they weren't able to do this.
So the charges got dropped on a technicality, right?
So he gets this expunged from his record.
And then he somehow gets voted in a private ceremony.
They came together, no parents were there, and they made him principal years, 20 years later.
Arrested for child porn charges.
Yeah.
What city in Oklahoma?
Because this is the same thing.
And now he wants to be in front of children.
If this goes down in LA, San Francisco.
And we're like as a drag queen.
Oklahoma.
Can you show the photo?
Can we just all be completely honest?
And all the viewers out there, look how scary drag queens are.
Some people have a clown phobia.
Look how scary that guy is right there.
Look at, look, zoom in on the guy on the right.
That looks like the penguin from the worst pictures, by the way.
Yeah, but they're scary.
Like, it's scary.
You've got somebody who was arrested for child pornography, demanding access to elementary school children.
And they're cool with it.
And they're cool with it.
But I don't think anymore because the story got exposed.
Oklahoma, I don't know if you know this, is actually the reddest state in the union.
Oh, really?
Yes.
West Virginia, Oklahoma, Alabama.
Oklahoma is number one, the reddest state in the union issue.
Boomers sooners.
But Pat, in LA, there's a story about California.
So in California, California passes bill punishing parents who don't affirm trans kids in custody battles.
Okay, so if you don't affirm kids in custody battles, Elon called it other madness.
California State Assembly passed AB 957, which mandates that judges in child custody cases consider whether a parent has affirmed a child's transgender identity.
An amendment in June brought in the requirement stating that the parents must affirm their child's gender identity to be deemed suitable for the child's welfare in court to which critics like Elon Musk, we know what happened with one of his billion children, strongly criticized the bill.
Musk described it as utter madness and warned it could jeopardize parental custody if parents disagree with their child's transgender identity.
So now California is like penalizing people if they don't affirm a kid's transgender transition.
Have you seen it?
Yeah, I'm familiar with this.
And what I've said is that I've stopped being outraged at California stories.
It's like to me, it's like if you're still a parent and you're raising your kid in California outside of like you quite literally have no money and cannot leave the state, I can't sit at that to you anymore.
I mean, I can't.
I literally can't sit about that anymore.
It's gotten so crazy there.
The policies that they're putting forth that they're able to push through, they're telling you, I mean, that is a, it's basically a communist state at this point that people are basically watching North Korea be built around them under the most extreme circumstances.
And they're staying there.
And then they're going, oh my God, I can't believe this is happening.
It's like California has showed you what California is.
It is time to pick up your children and leave California.
The state owns your children already in a variety of different ways.
It's ending with transgenderism.
This has been going on for a very long time.
You saw this with COVID.
They want to put shots in your child's arm.
You have no rights in California.
So I am now removing your right to complain if you are still living in the state of California.
But you can also ski and surf on the same day.
Yeah.
I love how people complain about everything, kids, when it comes to Cali, the traffic, that, and they're just like, yeah, but the weather.
I'm like, it's not worth it.
I literally sweat my ass in the middle of the day.
The weather in North Korea is just wonderful.
Summer in North Korea?
Pyongyang.
You haven't been to Pyongyang this summer.
Have you seen a North Korean sunset?
Oh, my God.
I winter in Pyongyang and I summer in the Hampton.
So here's my question to kind of wrap up all the, so the feminism, the women, the making men weak, right?
The going after the kids, the trans things, the going, like, is it a concerted effort by like when you hear like the Klaus and the Bill Gates, where they're like, listen, overpopulation is the biggest problem.
Is it an accident or these guys are openly telling us?
Because all those people that we talked about, they're not having children.
The trans, do you know what I mean?
The weak men, they don't want to have kids anymore.
The feminists are like, we don't need men.
Is it by accident or is it an effort to really slow down the population?
Like, is it a deeper thing?
I think America's at war.
I think America is at war.
I think that people always thought World War III would be something like World War II.
People would be dropping nukes.
And no, I think it's a silent war.
It's an ideological war.
I believe that there is a globalized effort to take down America from within.
And people realizing after years, China is a huge part of this effort.
that you could take over America without firing a single bullet.
And it begins and ends with culture.
And that's why I believe that culture is the biggest battle that we're facing right now.
Sick.
And TikTok really helps their money.
I don't think, by the way, I think that that fight, the feminist fight is coming to an end because the product is showing common sense is winning and data is winning, proving that this is not working.
And there's more 60-year-old women right now talking about the biggest mistake they made is buying into being a feminist.
They can no longer have kids.
They wish they were married.
They wish they would have done this.
Guys, I wish you were right.
I really do.
But I spend probably more time than anyone here.
I see women under 30.
Yeah.
And I say, guys, what do you think about this?
What do you think about this?
Dude, these 25 and under women, they are so far gone.
And that's the future.
I wish you were right.
You know what it is?
For you to say that.
You also contribute towards it, though, because think about it.
Are you blaming me?
No, I'm not.
I'm not blaming you.
No, no, no.
I'm not blaming you.
There's an element of it that even, you know, whatever you want to change, you have to look at it in a different way and not capitalize off what's out there.
You have to eventually, when I was, all I did was women from, you know, 14 to 25, that was my number one priority.
And I'm like, listen, that's all I want to do.
26 times a year, I'm in Vegas.
I was a four-hour drive away from Vegas.
In Vegas, the opportunity for prospecting was priceless on what it was.
This is pre-tender days.
I have no clue what it is to swipe, right?
You have to actually go talk and prospect.
Like that was work.
Like it takes work of going in and networking and meeting money and a friend and this, and then eventually to go versus today it's a DM.
You're working your numbers, 100 messages, boom.
Let's go six o'clock, then you got one at eight, then you got one at ten.
I don't know that system, but it's a completely different ballgame.
I think it's also an element of you know us as men.
We need to also kind of challenge the status quo and tell them we're not attracted to this.
This is not attractive anymore, right?
I don't know what you're doing.
You think this is attractive.
We're also not turned on by this.
I think we can also play a role in that, but that's a whole different conversation I don't want to get into.
I want to wrap it up here with your documentary.
Yeah, you know, your the the, the BLM documentary that you did the biggest lie ever sold phenomenal when you did that and you kind of going through how you and then you know, from one lens.
I'm kind of watching you right now because I'm watching you as a talent, as an individual, to see what evolution you're.
You're personally going through right like hey, as you change and your life changes and you're making money and you have kids and you get married and you move you.
You might also be.
I used to be interested.
I'm really not interested.
That's not my passion, that's not my fight.
This is not my fight.
I want, I'm interested, and then now you're going into true crime.
You know, with the this, this recent one that you did, which is what's his name?
Steve Avery.
Stephen Avery yeah, and what happened with that?
So, out of all the topics you could have chosen to do a documentary on why this, it's actually a perfect build on destroying the BLM narrative and it's a perfect build on who I am and how I got into this place.
We started this conversation by talking about, you know, Trump coming down and me not wanting him to be there, and then me realizing that I was a victim of propaganda my entire life and so as a cultural Warrior, if that's what you want to call me.
I am really focused on getting people to understand that their entire life could potentially be decided upon by propaganda, by a propagandist effort that what they think they know they don't know.
And so, obviously, the huge tackle in the political climate of Black Lives Matter was really how I asserted myself in politics because it was like unheard of a black person not supporting BLM.
How could you not?
And then I needed to show people, you know, after the dust had settled, this is what I was saying.
And now, Black Lives BLM as an organization is bankrupt.
And people watched my documentary, they saw where the money went.
They realized that they had been duped because they were emotional and they were made to feel guilty because they were white and they just sent money into a dark hole.
And this next documentary is really the same exact examination.
For whatever reason, we set our presets to trusting a documentary more than the news.
Like we're like, well, now I'm getting the real information because it's a documentary.
And there's no way that these two lesbians from New York who created Making a Murderer could possibly be playing with me.
They must be telling the truth.
The villain, the villain, is actually the hero in this docu-series.
Super important first endeavor, really, that Netflix made into docu-series and it largely built their empire, I would say, on this story.
And Netflix has since continued this tradition of taking villains and convincing the public that they're heroes.
The Central Park V, guilty as sin, guilty as sin.
And yet, a Netflix documentary has made people believe that they're not guilty of sin.
They've softened Jeffrey Dahmer.
This is Netflix's legacy, right?
This is what are we doing as a culture?
It's not just happening in the real world.
We're also seeing aspects of that in the fantastical world, maleficent.
Forget that story.
What about actually, she's a person in there, Joker.
He's actually a human being, right?
We take these villains and we turn them into hero, and we're facing this cultural assimilation where people want to believe that actually the villain has a heart.
And so I wanted to dive into the Stephen Avery story because I was stunned when I learned the truth about what happened.
But there's a larger thing that I'm trying to express to people about mainstream media, about Netflix, right?
The power of Netflix is it is an absolute powerhouse and it is forming the way that people think.
And this story is kind of where it began.
And I thought it was an interesting challenge for me because it wasn't split along political lines.
I wanted to do something that felt a little more apolitical because it wasn't like conservatives thought he was guilty and liberals thought that he was innocent.
No, conservatives and liberals alike got duped by this documentary and Netflix banked.
And it's just, it's a very compelling story.
But the truer story is the study of humanity, the study of propaganda, the psychology of propaganda, which I am forever fascinated about.
Yeah, this is, I mean, when I was watching it, you couldn't stop.
You're just curious to know what happened with it.
Did you follow this?
I was watching it on the, because, and, and going off your point, Kendra, so 19, what, Netflix, when they first aired the first episode, 19 point-something million watching it.
People like would not go on dates, they wouldn't go with the friends, they would speed home and go do it.
So, so, Candace, you're painting a different picture to where, and I saw the one of the females that started it, she went to school, she wanted to be a director and a writer and everything.
And then she was just like, she read the story on a train, right?
She read it in the newspaper.
She's like, I'm going to go in there.
I'm going to go to Wisconsin.
It was in Wisconsin, right?
And just flip the script and make it something that people would want to watch.
So it's all, it's all BS.
Yeah.
And to see people like conservatives that I've had on a show that were like, I thought that he wasn't guilty.
You know, it's really, yeah.
Because they were good.
They did a good job at making you think that these people actually are victims.
And also, can we talk about why it really matters when you do this in the real world and you're not doing it in a Disney movie?
Is because a woman who was victimized by Stephen Avery, he was eventually convicted.
She was raped by two men.
She was shot.
She was stabbed.
She was cut up into pieces and she was burned in a burn pit.
She was 22 years old and had her entire life ahead of her.
And because of people like Alec Baldwin and Trevor Noah and a mainstream media effort and this anti-policing sentiment and this belief that we have that the villains could actually be the ones that are struggling, her family then not only had to bury her, this faithful Catholic family who handled this in just the most wonderful capacity given the circumstances, then had to deal with conspiracy theories because Alec Baldwin said, well, her brother wasn't crying enough.
So, you know, so that's part of it.
That means that like, actually, Stephen Avery is innocent.
So you just imagine what we do to real people when we recast the victims as the villains and the villains as the victims.
There's real life consequences to that.
I think this is a media thing that goes on.
And I was particularly incensed.
I remember, if anybody remembers, when Rolling Stone magazine, two weeks after the capture of the Boston Marathon bomber, remember there were two brothers?
And one actually ran over his brother during the police case and killed him.
And then he was on the cover of Rolling Stone.
They were fawning over him as this attractive guy who just didn't understand.
There it is.
There it is.
You know, and they portrayed him as this because they actually, Rolling Stone won't tell you, is they actually liked the fact that he took action against what was core America.
They actually liked the fact that he had actually stepped out to do it.
There is an undercurrent here where they were not only making a hero, he was the resistance against the U.S. establishment that they wanted to see.
And that's in Convicting a Murderer.
It's the same thing.
In 2015, the anti-police sentiment was building.
So the reason why Trevor Noah and Alec Baldwin and all these Hollywood characters were jumping on this wasn't for the same reason people at home were watching it.
It was because this was the message that was coming down the pipeline.
Now all of a sudden we want anti-police.
The police are the bad guys.
The police are crooked.
This is the new American shtick, so to speak.
I have a question.
You brought up conspiracy theorists.
This doesn't necessarily have to do with Dark Murray, but it kind of does because it's on Daily Wire.
So in your most recent episode of Candace Owens, you kind of threw some shade on the conspiracy theorists.
You kind of even on the right-wing.
And you were like, well, on one hand, you know, I'm an anti-Semitic Kanye supporter, but on the other hand, I'm a puppet of Israel and Ben Shapiro.
So which one is it?
Can you be a puppet and anti-Semitic?
People get so far into their conspiracy theories.
The stuff that I have read about myself, it's insane.
Like literally, if you don't place your hands right, even when I'm wearing a t-shirt on my show, if I have a t-shirt on my show, they'll be like, oh, what does it mean?
I'm like, I don't know.
It's a plane.
They're like, okay, but like, what does it mean?
Why is there an orange and a Concorn plate?
And I'm like, oh, I don't know.
They're like, well, because, you know, people on the internet will just make something up.
It's true.
Literally, I have to be conscious of what I wear.
I have to be conscious of my hand placements.
They'll say that I'm in the Illuminati.
There are conspiracy theories about my father-in-law who sits in the House of Lords in the UK, that he plucked me, works for the Rothschilds, that my marriage to Sham.
I mean, people, I get it.
I get it.
I get why we don't trust the media and that's good.
But there's also a level that people will go to to create conspiracy theories.
And when you watch Committing a Murderer and we show you the fandom, the fact that this sick, disgusting man with a history of incest and pedophilia and, you know, being violent towards women is getting fiancés writing him letters.
And he has fiancés in prison and people that are in love with him and crying outside.
Yeah, we got to talk about that.
We got to talk about that.
Well, he does look like Brad Pitt.
I mean, obviously, he doesn't.
I'd be sarcastic.
To wrap it up, guys.
Go ahead, Tom.
If you got 10 seconds, go for it.
No, I was just going to say that, you know, conspiracy theorists will always be around us, but truth and facts eventually come to this.
Reveal themselves.
Yeah, no question about it.
Facts, I don't care about your feelings, Tom.
I don't care.
All right.
Candace, thanks for being on.
Rob, if we can make sure once again, folks, go watch the documentary.
They can find a documentary where.
DailyWirePlus.com.
The first episode is for free on YouTube.
If you want to watch it, you'll be hooked.
You're going to love it.
Go to dailywire.com.
You can watch the second episode.
The fourth episode just came out last night, and there's been a huge response to that.
Just every episode is an absolute bomb.
You're going to love it.
And also, I just want to say in conclusion, Olga, you got to get fired.
I got to go.
Rose and fourth.
Candace, I'll tell you this.
You got that it factor.
You got that Riz.
Respect to you.
And congratulations on your upcoming third.
Candace coming out.
By the way, I didn't want to say she's sitting here and she's pregnant and she's on fire the entire time.
Zero excuses was just in LA, flew out all the way to this other side.
And then she's got to get home.
You're amazing at your work, and I love your relentlessness.
