Today General Michael Flynn joins the PBD Podcast. Michael Thomas Flynn is a retired United States Army lieutenant general who was the 24th U.S. National Security Advisor for the first 22 days of the Trump administration.
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Our guest today is General Michael Flynn with more than 33 years of service in the United States military.
And as the current chairman of America's Future, General Michael Flynn's military career culminated as the director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, DIA, and as the nation's highest serving military intelligence officer after retiring from the Army in 2014 and as a private citizen, General Flynn went on to serve in a variety of business, educational, nonprofit roles, including supporting veterans organizational, veterans organizations around the country, something he continues to do today.
His public service included selective and service as a foreign policy advisor to several Republican U.S. presidential candidates 2016 and subsequent appointment and service as a national security advisor to the 45th president of the United States of America, a very non-controversial president.
General Flynn is a national best-selling author, holds three master's degrees, and is the recipient of numerous military intelligence and law enforcement awards.
It's great to have you on the podcast today, sir.
And thank you for your service.
Thanks for being patient and getting me down here.
I really appreciate it.
Yeah, this is wonderful.
It's great to have you here.
It's, you know, obviously when I talk to my friends and peers and I say, hey, here's who we're having on tomorrow.
No way.
You better ask him about what happened.
It's because of him.
He did this.
If it wasn't for him, he would hurt this.
And oh my God, I cannot, but can I come in and take a picture tomorrow?
I want to be at the office.
You got both crowds that's here.
But aside from that, if you don't mind, okay, I mean, at this point, everybody kind of knows your story.
We're going to talk about the book, which is the, you know, the fifth generation warfare with non-explosive, you know, everything from power grid to internet to mind control, all that stuff.
We'll talk about that, AI, some of those things that's going on.
We'll talk about the current election that's coming up with the different debate that took place.
You know, President Trump saying, I think May 15 of this year, if he gets re-elected, he's going to bring you back in because some people originally wanted you to stay even after this stuff that was going on.
So there's a lot to cover, okay?
But if you don't mind taking a couple minutes with the audience, just a little bit about your own background, how you got to where you are today, and then we'll get into the questions.
Yeah, great.
Thank you again for having me on and being patient to get me here.
I really do appreciate it.
For the audience, I mean, I think this story has been told many times different ways, but why the Army, my father was a World War II and Korea War vet.
He retired from the Army as a sergeant.
And I was in the middle of nine children, Irish Catholic family from up in Rhode Island, state of Rhode Island.
I was actually born on an Army base, Fort Meade, Maryland.
Did a little, like Army kids do, went to one or two of his assignments early on.
But I always knew that I was going to go into the service.
I didn't think I was, didn't know whether I was going to go in the Army or not.
And when I was going through, I went to the University of Rhode Island, which is a state university.
A lot of people ask me, because you make it to the rank that I made it to, what year did you graduate from West Point?
I'm not a West Pointer.
So I went to the University of Rhode Island.
And the first year I was going to join the Marine Corps because I was good in basketball, but not good at my grades.
But then one of the guys that I used to play with, and I always tell this story, one of the majors in the ROTC department, who I used to play basketball with down at the gym, he was a good guy.
He came to me that summer.
I had one of these delayed entry deals, and he came to me that summer and said, hey, we have some ROTC scholarships we're going to turn back that are going to be turned back by the region, and we'd like to offer you one.
And he knew what my grades were.
He just said, just batten down.
My old man was great.
He said, this is a chance that you're not going to have again.
And he was Army, so he knew I was about to go into the Marine Corps.
And he's like, take this chance, take this opportunity.
So I said, okay, I'll do it.
That was like two weeks before school season started and about two weeks before I was to go off to boot camp, basically.
And so, you know, kind of the rest is history.
I graduate, I spend nearly three and a half decades in the Army.
But I will tell you that my first assignment after some training and everything was the 82nd Airborne Division.
And as you would know, serving in the 101st that you served in, you know, those are two competitive organizations, very competitive.
And top of the game, too.
So 82nd Airborne was my very first assignment.
And to this day, I have, and I was a platoon leader in one of the jobs there that I had.
To this day, those that are still surviving from that platoon are still some of my best friends.
And, you know, a guy from my platoon sergeant was from Oxnard, California.
Another platoon sergeant, Ernie, that was Jerry, was from Oxnard, California.
Out of Oxnard, California.
Ernie was born in Havana, Cuba.
So that sort of set me on a path where I loved that type of person.
I love those people.
I love that kind of, you know, jumping out of airplanes and constantly deploying and constantly, you're ready all the time, right?
And, you know, we had the division, we had the, you know, the companies, we had the division ready brigades.
So all that kind of atmosphere I loved.
And I loved Fort Bragg.
And I ended up spending 17 years of my career.
So with training and some overseas assignments, some deployments to Central America, Middle East, Central Asia, you know, and then as I got more senior, but I spent from second lieutenant, so you'd understand this, Pat, I spent from second lieutenant to brigadier general at Fort Bragg, North Carolina.
One star.
B-Man Middle General.
Yeah, there you go.
So I love that place.
My family loved that place.
I had one of my sons was born there.
And then another son, Matthew, was born at another duty station that we had.
I have, you know, I have a small clan of grandchildren right now.
And then when I got out of the military, so you know, and we can talk a little bit about all the exiting and all that kind of stuff because that's part of probably the story that put me in a place like this today.
You know, twice appointed, twice, twice appointed by Barack Obama to two really critical jobs, the Defense Intelligence Agency that you mentioned.
And I was also assistant director of national intelligence for engagement around the world and here at home.
So I had a domestic role as an assistant director of national intelligence.
Those positions, three-star positions appointed by Barack Obama, fully confirmed by the Senate.
So that started in 2011, 2012, all the way to 2014 when I left.
And interesting thing, and I think I said this before in another show, but this is sort of probably breaking this here.
I never met Barack Obama.
Really?
I never met him.
So he appointed me twice.
He had to approve it.
And then, of course, he made me the enemy of the state in the very famous conversation between he and Trump turning the country over.
You know, turning business is over.
You take a business over.
I mean, in business, it might be a little different.
I have a question.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Yeah, jump in anytime.
Well, just since you brought it up, I watched two different documentaries on you last night.
I didn't sleep last night because I wanted to be prepared for this.
It was very intriguing what Obama told Trump in that transition meeting.
Here's the quote from this was actually the peaceful transition of power, the documentary, the plot against the president.
General Flynn, can you move your phone?
I think it's picking up static right next to the mic.
Go for it.
So according to the documentary, you tell me if this is true or false, Obama told Trump the following: Don't let anyone tell you who to hire in your administration.
Surround yourself with your own people.
There's only one person you should not hire, General Michael Flynn.
Obama said that there's two people in the world you cannot trust.
One of them is Putin.
The other one is General Michael Flynn.
It's like a badge of honor coming from him.
Sebastian Gork has been here.
Every time I hear that, I'm like, think about that.
Okay, think about that for a moment.
Sure.
So what I just said about Barack Obama, and I'm still at that moment in time, I'm still holding one of the highest security clearances that the country can have.
I had just gone through another security clearance update, like within the past six months, I think.
So like, you know, and they gave it to me, right?
I mean, you know, this is all the vetting that you go through.
And this is all before.
So he has that conversation with Trump all before all of the Russia nonsense.
The Russia gate is ongoing.
We don't know about it yet, right?
But before I get, you know, coiled up with, you know, a very legitimate phone call with the Russian ambassador.
So that conversation between Barack Obama and the outgoing President of the United States, the incoming President of the United States, to transition the entirety of the United States of America, they focus on two people, Mike Flynn and the dictator from North Korea, Kim Jong-un.
And it's just mind-blowing when you think about it.
Instead of saying, look, here's the issues that we were dealing with around the world, foreign policy, domestic policy, economics, all these kinds of issues that you have to deal with, right?
He focuses Trump's attention on two people.
Interesting.
Yeah.
So go ahead.
I'm sorry to send you off.
I'll do that often.
You're the general here.
Cut me off at any time.
Put yourself in two-term President Barack Obama's shoes.
He obviously wanted Hillary to win the election, you know, clearly.
Trump wins.
We all remember that awkward sit-down.
It just felt weird, the two of them in the same room.
But put yourself in Barack Obama's shoes.
He could say anything to Trump, anything.
When he talks about you, specifically, that you were one of the two most dangerous men in the world.
Put yourself in Barack Obama's shoes.
Why does he target you?
Yeah, because I am not an individual who came out of the military at the level that I came out at.
And also while I was in the military, I was very blunt, you know, because that's my sort of thing.
I guess If you say, well, what do you get from Flynn?
You're going to get what he believes, like it or not.
That's sort of number one from the military perspective.
But I'm not a person who came out at my level and went to work with big, you know, with the big companies, with the big defense industry, and sort of got bought up and caught up.
Bought and paid for.
Well, caught up in that lifestyle, right?
Yes, sir.
Living around Washington, D.C., you get a job with the big defense industry, the big military-industrial complex, right?
Security state complex.
And the next thing, and I also am a Democrat, I was a Democrat.
You?
I've changed.
I've changed.
I've just recently in the last two years, I yeah, his mom was in politics years ago.
She was a Democrat.
She would take you with you to the rallies.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, that's a great story.
Did you vote for Barack Obama?
No, I never voted for president the entire time I was in the military.
Nope.
So how do you?
Because I always looked at it.
I was a commander-in-chief.
But you still identified as a Democrat even though?
Yeah, I was a lifelong sort of a Kennedy Democrat.
Rhode Island is where we grew up and that part of the country.
And because you mentioned my mom, my mom was the, I mean, she was big in politics.
She ran for office in the state.
My mom's platform was right to life, though.
So early on, so here's a Democrat, and now the Democrats are really not, there's no such thing as a Democrat anymore.
So really, my, so don't tell anybody, but the Democrat Party.
Nobody's listening, General Flynn.
So, yeah, so we grew up as Democrats.
And I actually, when I was being asked for advice by all these different candidates for president, they were all Republican candidates.
And then, of course, Trump.
And so even when I went in as the National Security Advisor, if you looked at my political registration, I was registered as a Democrat.
And then if you look at June of 2016, Trump narrowed it down to four people to be his vice president.
Me, Christy, Newt Gingrich, and Mike Pence in June.
There's a June, actually right after the 4th of July, there's a very couple of famous pictures that were put out on the media.
These are the candidates.
So anyway, so that's what's kind of odd about this whole thing.
Why?
Because back to your question about why.
And it was because I'm not somebody, you know, what motivates me is my family, my faith, and this country.
And I was taught that, you know, when you learn, like we were talking outside here to some of your great team here, you know, when you always say between the age of the time you're born until about the 10, about the age of 10 is when you're going to really learn your values and the type of person that you are.
And so I learned that this country is a great country.
You know, my parents worked hard.
My father served in the military, blah, blah, blah.
And we, and I know, I know based on my own training, my own experiences, having traveled around the world and served in combat and served in other places, that there are enemies that will always try to go after us.
And this country has to be, I say, you know, when people use the phrase, freedom isn't free, I use the phrase, freedom must be guarded.
Okay, freedom must be guarded.
So if, you know, the path to freedom, the path to have what you want to have, is filled with hardship.
It's sacrifice, right?
You talk about economic freedom all the time.
You talk about wealth creation all the time.
You don't just go sprinkle fairy dust and poof, you're a three-star general, right?
Or you're a great entrepreneur or you're a great businessman.
You got to work your ass off for it.
But there's also another path.
There's another path that you take.
And that's the path like a guy like Barack Obama took, okay?
And others.
Hillary Clinton is another one.
And there are others.
There are others that we should talk about, maybe some of them today, because I know you just did a thing about the World Economic Forum.
So there's a path that some people take.
It's a very easy path.
And they take, right?
They're takers.
I don't know what we can say.
You know, we have in the Army, we say shitters and eaters, right?
So, you know, there's takers out there, and they take, take, take, take.
And what they get is they get more power, they get more wealth, but they actually haven't done anything.
They haven't done anything.
So they might serve in government, they serve in a political position.
And you say to yourself, what are you doing?
You're actually destroying more than you're creating, right?
And so, anyway, you got me on a soapbox there.
But that's a very important thing.
So you're back to the question about Barack Obama.
So you look at a guy like Barack Obama and you say, how could this guy get to where he's at?
And I said the other day, and I say this a lot about Barack Obama, and I tag him sometimes on my Twitter file, my Twitter account, I tag him because I ask him questions because he never answers, you know.
But maybe one of these days he will.
But Barack Obama had a unique opportunity coming in as the president in 2008.
And that unique opportunity was to really unify and actually go into the black community, go into the black community, right?
And really strengthen.
Like, you know, he presents himself as this great family man.
Wonderful.
That's wonderful.
But get into the black community where the family's been destroyed and get into the streets and get into these communities and talk to these people about, particularly men, black men, about their families, right?
Because the black women who are working in, you know, whether they're working in beauty salons or hotels or wherever.
I mean, there's a lot of low income in the black community, and that black community was destroyed.
He knows it.
It was destroyed really by the Democrat Party back, you know, late 60s, early 70s.
There were decisions made.
So you really got to understand this history.
Society.
So Barack Obama had a unique opportunity and he blew it.
He blew it.
Because that was not what he was asked to do.
What he, I believe, and this is my own analysis of everything that we see now.
You did a great piece the other day, and I just put it out this morning on Twitter at least, where you talked about the World Economic Forum.
So, you know, when we start to, I mean, a really good piece.
It's really, really, it's only like 14 minutes or something, but it's a really good piece.
And if it was on YouTube, I'm surprised they haven't shut it off.
But everything that I'm talking about, you know, it's when you look at this country and you say, how do we get to here?
How do we get to, you know, what else you say, 250 years?
It's struggle.
It's absolute struggle.
It's sacrifice.
It's, you know, being willing to give your life up, all those kinds of issues.
Like I say, you know, sacrifice and freedom, you know, they come hand in hand.
So, you know, why did Barack Obama not do things to me that would be unifying?
They were not unifying.
And I think, I believe, and, you know, you can argue with me about it, but I believe, and I definitely sense it, and I saw it, I think, that the big plan, the big, you know, strategic plan was eight years of Obama, eight years of Hillary, and the great reset would be complete.
And I wouldn't be here.
But a guy by the name of Donald Trump, like him or not, he's got, I don't know what, 72 felony counts against him for like 750 years or some ridiculous thing.
You know, I'd have been worried about, I'd have been worried, and this is how arrogant they are, the sort of the enemy, right?
The enemy, how arrogant they are.
Had they indicted him for like two counts, maybe one count, right?
Had Smith had just indicted him for one count, told these other courts and had something, actually had something, I'd be really worried.
One or two counts.
I'd be like, man, they got something on this guy.
They actually have somebody who's got video, audio, tape, you know, evidence, whatever.
But when they put him, when it was like, you know, 16 counts, 12 counts, whatever the numbers are at the different courts, and then ended up with like 70 and over 70 felony counts, then you know that this thing is a sham.
It's an absolute sham.
And I think that we're going to find they're going to fight tooth and nail to not let this thing, to not let go of it, to not lose control of it.
And when I say they, it's sort of these globalist powers that are holding on to this thing right now.
I want to follow up on this because, you know, for me, when I think about an Obama and Trump, they couldn't be night and day of two opponents, right?
Obama made fun of him.
Trump made fun of him.
Trump went after him for, you know, you weren't born here, birth certificate, all this stuff.
And Obama said, at least I'm a president.
You're not.
And when I think about the two names he gave, I think about is he trying to misdirect Trump or if he's saying you, why is he saying you?
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So going back to it, with this whole thing with Trump and Obama.
One, they can't stand each other, okay?
And I don't believe they trust each other.
And so I'm sitting there saying, you got how many names to give things to to say bad things about?
Okay, so he gives your name.
Why is he giving your name?
Story comes out afterwards.
Well, you know, the dealings, Russia, all this stuff.
And then, you know, report, investigation, all of that things that happen.
So we are sitting there as American people.
We're like, did this guy do business?
How long did he last as a national?
Was it 24 days?
What was the amount of days?
20?
Yeah.
Some number like that, you know, and then so everyone said, well, look, Scaramucci lasted, what, seven or 11 days?
You know, Flynn lasted, you know, 20-some days.
And I've had Bernard Carrick before when he was under Bush, he lasted for a few days.
You know, it's like, so is it a targeting?
Do they fear you?
Is there something they're worried about?
What is the real reason?
Yeah.
You know, those other roles, the role of National Security Advisor Does not require Senate confirmation because it's supposed to be a person that the president is able to bring in to be his advisor on national security for the country.
And people think, oh, national security is all about, you know, foreign, it's all about wars overseas.
National security is about education.
It's about border security.
It's about economic security.
It's everything, right?
So you have to have somebody with an array of experience to be able to sit into a position like that or understand if you bring somebody in that they know how to work with other members of a team.
Very, very important role.
And so I always say that the coup against a duly elected president and against this country started on the 5th of January of 2017, a very famous Oval Office meeting, 5th of January, 5th of January, 2017.
That actually came out in my case when we started to really break evidence, but it also came out in the Durham Report and Durham's hearing in front of Congress, which was just recently, a few months back.
So, you know, and you asked the question, and I'll restate it a little bit because it's not, Obama made it about himself.
Trump, to a degree, at that moment, made it about himself.
And it's not about either of those men.
It's about this country.
And it's about how this country continues to move forward.
Now, I can tell you that Trump has learned a lot, a lot.
He's learned a lot about not only, you know, like, hey, I got elected president in 2016, you know, a tough campaign, tough battle.
Everybody will get behind me now.
No, no, okay?
Because we have an element in this country, and, you know, however detailed you want to get into it, I'll get into it with you, but we have an element in this country that is working their asses off to get control of this country in a different way.
When people go, you know, that Trump is a threat to democracy, we don't live in a democracy.
We live in a constitutional republic, right?
People vote for their duly elected, their elected leaders.
So Obama, to do that in that timeframe, it was like it was an indicator.
I work in the world of indicators and warnings, okay?
That's been my life in the military.
So it's an indicator to me, like, man, there's something going on.
It's not right.
But, you know, again, we're working very hard to transition the country to a new president, a duly elected president, by the way, and to go off in a direction that was clearly going to be different than what Barack Obama had said for eight years, right?
For eight years.
I mean, he doubled the debt.
So he took $10 trillion of debt from Bush.
In his time, in his eight years, he doubled it.
We had about 20 trillion plus debt going into the Trump administration.
And, you know, I mean, that just begins to compound, compound.
It's nuts.
And people don't even, American people don't even understand it these days because they say trillion.
Shit, most people don't have a few bucks.
So you begin to look at it and you go, okay, so what happened?
Well, a guy got in the way.
A guy got in the way of the direction that they wanted the United States of America to take, right?
And this goes back to, and I've really studied this, and, you know, and you probably just listening to you the other day, you know, this business about this World Economic Forum and this, you know, this globalists, right?
So now what I say is we're now in a place where, and, you know, argue with me or your listeners out there, you're great listeners, you've got a great audience.
You know, your listeners, this is sort of a time where it's not like Democrats versus Republicans or, you know, the Warsaw Pact versus the West.
This is now globalism versus Americanism.
And Americanism is really, you know, the tangible component of Americanism is America, is the United States of America.
You know, the piece of geography that we stand on here that still has 50 states, right?
And so Americanism, you know, so what does that mean?
You know, the folks in the mainstream media and the mainstream media is not CNN.
It's not MSNBC.
That's cable news.
It's the big corporate media.
It's ABC, CBS, NBC.
That's mainstream media.
So the mainstream media, with their cohorts in cable news, they want to say, if I say Americanism, they're going to go, well, he's a white Christian nationalist.
I've been called every name in the book.
Our moms tell us a lot of things.
My mom used to say, sticks and stones will break your bones, but names will never hurt you.
Get back out there.
Get back outside and don't come whining to me.
I mean, in the family that I grew up in.
So you get back out and you dust yourself off and you stand back up.
So Americanism is about, it is about being an American, being, believe in our Constitution, believe in our Bill of Rights, understand the damn thing.
I carry one around with me.
I show it like this, not like that.
I show it like that because that's the Constitution, that's the Bill of Rights, and that's the Declaration of Independence.
And it takes you like 45 minutes to read.
You know how many people have read this?
Hardly any.
1%, man.
Hardly any.
I mean, people don't read it because it's like they just believe it.
They just go, oh, you know, I love America.
So Americanism is a combination of things.
It's a combination of really, you know, our First Amendment, which is all about our ability to be able to say what we want to say, you know, without hurting.
I mean, we don't want to hurt people.
I think that that's, you know, and I know I probably have.
In fact, I know I have.
But it's also about your ability to practice your faith.
You know, I don't care if you're purple with pink polka dots and you pray to trees.
I mean, if that's what your faith is, right?
I mean, I served in the military, for example.
For example, I served in the military under Bill Clinton.
You know, come out of Reagan, you come out of Bush, you go into Clinton.
And one of the first acts of Bill Clinton was don't ask, don't tell.
Now, I think you were out of the service by then, right?
Or no, you hadn't gone into the service by then.
Yeah, you went in 97.
You went in like five or six years ago.
So 1993, Congressman Les Aspen becomes Secretary of Defense, Les Aspen.
He comes in.
Their first policy is, don't ask, don't tell.
Well, what does that mean?
Most people don't know because most people don't serve in the military, right?
But don't ask, don't tell had to do with gays and lesbians serving in the military.
And as long as you don't, you know, as long as they don't talk about it, we don't care if they serve.
You know, and we looked in the military, you know, you know, I mean, you know, you know serving in the, particularly in the unit that you served in, you don't really, all you care about is they're ready and they're willing and they don't, you know, they don't give up on you.
You don't fight because you don't fight for, I say you don't fight because you hate your enemies.
You fight because you love your country or you love your family or you love the soldier on your left or your right.
You love, you love.
We fight out of love.
We don't fight out of hate.
So, you know, when I talk about that particular act, right, the don't ask, don't tell introduction into the army.
I mean, people look at me and they go, oh, geez, you know, he's this, this, they box, they try to box us in, okay?
And today, I call that a narrative assassination, okay, a narrative assassination.
And so that's what they did to Donald Trump.
That's what they do to all of us.
You're lucky so far, I think.
You're lucky.
Maybe you felt some of this.
But the narrative of assassination, you know, if you look at, and just got to read some of the books, you pay attention to what they did to people like John F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., you know, why haven't we released all that stuff?
And Trump should have released it all.
He should have been pounding the desk, release all this, and set up.
You know, recently he said the other day, and I, and I'm a big fan of Donald Trump.
Don't take me wrong, but I mean, I'm one of these guys, like, and this is why, back to your question about Obama, I'm not enamored by these people.
You know, we all, like I was taught as a kid, we put our, you know, our pants on one leg at a time kind of thing.
And I've met with kings, princes, generals, admirals, presidents.
You know, you look at them and it's like, you know, I look at you and I say, you know, what have you done lately kind of to do what I believe?
And I have a very, very strong passion and a belief.
But I try to check my emotions about this country because I know I've studied our country.
I've studied world history.
I know what sacrifice is.
I've seen and known guys that I've known who have been killed because they signed on the dotted line.
You signed on the dotted line.
You didn't know why you signed.
You needed to get out of your neighborhood or whatever, but you signed on the dotted line.
Okay, I'm going to go 101st sounds cool.
We're going to jump out of helicopters or planes or whatever.
I'm going to go do this stuff.
But what you really signed up to do was to give your life for this country.
That's what you don't know when you're, you know, you were probably 18 or 19, 18 years old.
Most kids don't know that.
And to me, I'm not one for universal service, but all these things that I'm talking about has to do with Americanism.
Americanism is who we are in this mosaic, this fabric of this country.
And the other part of this is also, back to your question, I was joking with Adam, calling him Owen, and there's a guy out there named Owen who will understand that.
So part of this for me, to your question about Obama, so you don't get to be the head of an intelligence agency, one of the largest in the world, okay, because you're an ass kisser.
Maybe sometimes you get to some of those places, but not in that, for me, it wasn't that way.
Or you don't get there because you're stupid.
You don't get there because you're committing treason.
I mean, you're doing these, you get there because you've demonstrated a potential and you've demonstrated a level of expertise that says you're the right guy to put in that job.
So it's not just DIA, because people don't know CIA, right?
They don't know DIA.
But it's not just DIA, it's the whole industrial, military, security, intelligence complex.
And my life, certainly the second half of my career as a, not only as a tactician, but as a strategist and as a warrior understanding war, and you mentioned I have all these master's degrees.
One of them is in war.
It's a master's in war.
They call it military arts and sciences, but it's a master's in war.
So where you study different things.
So I understand our government very, very well.
I understand the complexities of our government.
I understand the agencies, activities, commissions, and departments that we have.
Donald Trump visited Washington, D.C. maybe eight times before he became the president.
And most of it was probably to visit his beautiful hotel.
He's got these beautiful, you know, he had a beautiful hotel there now, and I understand now they got rid of it and it's like falling apart.
Yeah, it's the old post office.
It's an amazing hotel.
So you got a guy in Flynn who's going to come in, doesn't have to get confirmed by the Senate.
So I go right into it.
I go right to work.
I'm the second guy he actually appoints that Trump appointed.
And so I go to work right away.
I'm going to work.
I'm transitioning the government.
I'm transitioning the entirety of the security state.
These people knew what questions I was asking.
Why?
Because I was in the White House talking to Susan Rice multiple times prior to the 5th of January. of 2017.
I keep going back to that date because that's the date of the coup.
Now, I won't get into the details unless you want to waste time doing it, but that's a very, very public meeting.
There's a lot of information about that.
A lot started to come out in my case where we started to break evidence that was being hidden from the American people.
So let's go.
Let's go to that.
Cut me off any time because you guys know where we're going.
I mean, listen, we want to also hear what your perspective, your POVs.
That's a very good perspective to get.
But so Twitter files happens, right?
There were a lot of people, in a smaller scale, there were a lot of people at Twitter that were afraid about Musk buying Twitter.
Why were they afraid?
They trashed him.
You know, this new guy came in, took over before Musk, whoever the CEO was after Jack Dorsey.
What was a guy's name, Singhal?
Rob, can you pull up the name of the CEO of Twitter before Musk took over after Jack Dorsey?
So everybody was like, well, Jack Dorsey is this, Jack Dorsey is that, Jack Dorsey is this.
And then all of a sudden, the new guy comes in and they're like, wait a minute.
You guys were worried about Jack Dorsey.
This is the guy you really want to be worried about.
It's the CEO that came after Jack Dorsey.
There you go.
That's what it is.
Agral or something like that.
Yeah.
So you're like, oh my God, you've got to be careful with him.
He started changing stuff.
He can't do this.
He's banning this guy.
He's banning that guy.
Okay.
And then he buys 10% of the company and he gets on the board.
We're going to make it work in here.
He buys the whole company and then Twitter files comes out.
And then we're seeing emails.
We're like, whoa.
So you guys asked about this.
Yesterday we had two guys here who are straight, Krassenstein brothers.
And they were on the podcast and we're having a great conversation with them during the podcast.
You know, we talk about how the Twitter files show that there was an email from the government to them telling them, hey, don't release the New York Post article because there's not enough credibility behind it.
And if you do, if the world finds you.
And you're describing elements of sedition and treason and collusion between the elements of the United States government, okay, key departments, key agencies between the United States government.
Which is insane, by the way.
And a private tech company that has an ability to control a lot of voices, to control the, basically to curtail speech.
And a lot of people, I mean, you mentioned the Twitter files.
There was a list, a targeting list, right?
Trump was number one.
And I was knocked off on, I think, the 7th or 8th of January of 2017.
I was number eight on that list.
And I hadn't tweeted.
I mean, I think after I had received my pardon, I think I finally tweeted.
I started tweeting again.
And I had maybe, I don't even remember, maybe 100 maybe from the time I had come on until that point.
And so.
But here's where I'm going with this.
This is the point I want to make to you because I'm trying to connect the dots.
Either you're a bad person or you're somebody not to be trusted based on what Obama was saying to Trump.
Either that's what it is, or the element of what happened with Twitter files was about to happen because you had access to information.
If you were to go to get in as a three-star general, well, you'd know where to look that if you were able to expose what they were doing, it could be ObamaGate, it could be a lot of different things.
This could be Watergate 2.0.
This could be a lot of that.
So, hey, if there's the one guy that can make the connection of ObamaGate, it's him.
We definitely don't want him there.
But it has to be one of the two, because if not one of the two, you mean to tell me out of 7.7 billion people in the world to fear you're one of them, a three-star that gave 33 years to, why would we fear you?
Why would he have to be worried about you?
It prompts so many of my paranoid, skeptical side to say, you must have something on them or you did something wrong.
It can only be one of those two things.
Yeah.
And it's not so much having something on him.
And this is in this case, I'm assuming you're talking about Obama.
It's understanding, yeah, like there's a phrase, you know, that people have characterized me knowing where the bodies are buried, right?
So again, I said that, I said that I was doing transition meetings with Susan Rice.
Okay, now they'll watch this.
So maybe YouTube won't cut you off here, but they'll watch this because they'll want to know what's going on.
What am I thinking?
What is happening?
So these transition briefings, which are big deals, there's all kinds of programs that go on in the government.
And one of the things that the National Security Advisor also has and gets are things like these FISA, right, these FISA applications, right?
So damn near everything other than what the President of the United States decides he's not going, in this case, he is not going to tell me about, right?
Everything goes past the National Security Advisor, everything.
So everything previously, okay, because from the previous administrations to the current administration, everything.
So if the National Security Advisor says, okay, I want to see every single presidential finding from the very first finding.
Now people can go look up presidential findings.
And you say, okay, what's a presidential finding?
Presidential finding are things that, for the most part, a finding is something that is so sensitive, so necessary to protect the sanctity of the United States of America that the president has to sign off on it.
He has to sign something.
And presidential findings are many, and they're very, you know, they're classified, they're very sensitive.
So I won't go beyond just describing what a presidential findings are, a finding is, because, you know, they've been written about and there's plenty of information about them.
So when you talk about presidential findings, so I asked about them, right?
And then you start to ask about, because if you go back and look at one of the things that I did at the Defense Intelligence Agency, I initially went in and I started to do an audit because I wanted to know, you know, you take over a business, hell, your IRS is going to audit you every year, right?
I mean, you take over a business, you take over a unit, you kind of look at the different things that are happening.
And, you know, so when I took over DIA, I did an audit.
I did an audit of the, you know, it's a billion-dollar corporation, essentially, a multi-billion dollar corporation with almost 20,000 people.
So I wanted to do an audit because I knew the people.
I knew a lot of the people.
So fast forward to this other part of this conversation is that, so now I'm asking questions about things that the National Security Advisor must know, must know.
And they knew it.
And so there are different organizations and there's principally one organization is coming in to talk to you about these things.
And at the time, I can tell you, because I knew about them, because as the DIA director, you are privy to the presidential daily briefing.
You get that read to you every day.
And I operated at a very strategic level.
So I knew the inner workings of the military-industrial security state complex.
When I say security state, that's the intelligence community, all of them.
So I operated at that level.
And I had always been like a good reconnaissance soldier.
I was always probing, probing, probing because I wanted to know if I'm going to be in charge of something, I needed to know everything that I needed to know to be able to be successful to support my bosses, right?
And in this case, the President of the United States.
So there was a lot of things that I was asking about.
And now all of a sudden we go into the final phase of the transition, which is really January.
And that's why I say this January 5th meeting in the Oval Office was a very important meeting for Obama.
Obama led it.
Joe Biden was in on it.
Clapper was in on it.
Sally Yates, Jim Comey, John Brennan, Susan Rice.
And that meeting was really a meeting to, you know, this is the get Flynn to get Trump, okay, which is a very famous statement.
Okay, it'd been all over the internet, right?
Get Flynn to get Trump.
In fact, and get ready to bleep, okay, because it's first we, well, I'll just say first we F Flynn and then we F Trump.
Okay?
So these are real things.
These are real people.
And you know what?
I was advising a lot of people.
Trump won.
And I like to say that I hope that I helped him win the presidency because I would get up in front of 25,000 people at rallies leading into the 2016 and I would introduce him as the most imperfect guy you're ever going to vote for president.
And people would go nuts.
American people don't want perfection.
American people want somebody who loves his country, somebody who loves his country, and somebody who actually sounds like they know what they're doing.
And then when they get in, and again, he proved himself in his own track record as a businessman in the media and all this.
So he had a bit of a proven track record.
Now he's been a president, and he's got a great proven track record with all of the craziness that he's had to deal with, to include guys like me being cut out from underneath his knees, right?
And there was some, and this is not just on the Democrats or on Obama.
There are some, and we call it the Uniparty.
We define the Unit Party in this book.
So there are some in the Uniparty, in the establishment of Washington, D.C., that likes the way things are operating.
And some of those were right inside the White House.
And so they were already surrounding him.
And they definitely did this to a degree in the campaign, but I don't think we realize it to the degree that we realize that I realize it later.
He definitely has realized it now.
As many people and as great of an enterprise as he has in the whole Trump orbit, you know, you still, when you get into politics, when they say it's a blood sport, it's a death cult.
It's not a blood sport.
It's a death cult.
And they will kill you.
Now, these days, like I said, they kill you by narrative now.
So there are people in and around the inner circle that also were part of this.
I mean, he had the two houses, right?
The tricameral system we got, judiciary, legislative, and executive.
He had the legislative on his team for the first two years.
Build the wall, right?
Pass all kinds.
Man, did he have a tough time?
Why?
Because the people that were there hated him.
They hated him more than they loved this country.
And, you know, so, I mean, you got me under these soapboxes.
People that he has.
Some of them are still there.
Some of them are still there.
Some of them are running for president.
Some of them are external to the Washington, D.C. circle, but they're now in places in the media and they're doing other little, they're out there still, and they're still wanting to get.
Actually, they're still on somebody's payroll in some cases.
Well, this goes back to my initial question.
So these are things of, so I'm sorry.
So these are things to get back to your great question, Pat.
These are things that I know, know going in.
So these aren't things that I'm just now imagining, okay?
Or these aren't conspiracies, right?
These are things or conspiracy theories.
These are things that I knew going in.
And I'm trying to also take a national security apparatus.
You can look at all the agencies and activities, but also the structure of people inside the White House.
I walk into the White House.
So during the Cold War, at the height of the Cold War, where we had nuclear against nuclear, we had national security advisors that had like 25 to 40 people inside the White House working.
In the White House, there's a couple little buildings around it.
But like less than 50 people at the height of the Cold War, where we had a half a million troops stationed over in Germany or over in Europe, half a million today, we barely, and today we might have 60,000, 70,000, half a million with all kinds of capabilities to go to war.
We had maybe 25 to 50 people in the national security team of the White House.
When I walk in the door, there's 500 people.
500 people.
Again, you swing a cat, you're going to hit somebody that's on the national security staff.
You see all these people in the media that sit on places like this.
And national security, something, right?
I mean, so many people.
If you need an expert, if you need an expert in the White House, you go ask for one.
I want an expert on business or entrepreneurship or gold or what?
I'll get somebody.
I'll reach out to the best in the world, certainly the best in this country.
I don't need to have 500 people wandering around the halls wondering what the hell they're going to do.
I used to call them when I did go to the, finally go to the Pentagon.
I used to call them wall walkers, wall walkers, because you would go down the hallways of the Pentagon.
You ever been in the Pentagon?
So you get down the hallways of the Pentagon and you see people coming.
I'm one of these, I like to engage.
I like to say, hey, how are you doing today?
It's the way I am.
So you see these people and they'd walk along the wall and they'd just be kind of looking at the wall, like looking at the pictures, because they didn't want anybody to grab them.
They didn't want anybody to say, hey, because if they were afraid, if somebody grabbed them, these are wall walkers now in the Pentagon.
If somebody grabbed them, they were afraid that they were going to have to go do some work.
And I use that metaphorically because we got a lot of people wandering around in our government right now.
So that's the other part about this.
It's to say, look, what are we doing?
Are we going to have a federalism where we're going to have a bloated government and everything is controlled by Washington, D.C. and, you know, and we're, we have, well, I'll use my buddy Klaus and your buddy Klaus, right?
We own nothing and we're happy, right?
We own nothing and we're happy.
So when you have that, I know all that.
I knew all that going in.
And they had to really, they took, and on that 5th of January day, and I keep going back to that because it's public information now.
They used the full weight of the resources of the United States government to get the sitting national security advisor who was already chosen by a duly elected president of the United States out of office as fast as they can, as fast as they could.
The full weight of all resources in the United States government that they could bring to bear.
Okay?
And they did.
Ultimately, wasn't that on Trump, though?
You were forced to resent because Trump, he publicly made that speech.
He's a good guy.
He's a fine guy.
No, Trump said he lied to me.
But you lied to Pets.
Trump, yeah, I said, well, he lied.
He lied, right?
But you still have his back.
I do.
How do you grapple with that?
Yeah, it's a big thing.
I mean, yeah, because you could say, and I've been public about it, that could be his worst enemy.
I sat through as a cooperating witness with the Mueller, the fake Mueller investigation, because I knew that there was nothing there.
And they ask you.
So, yeah.
So why do I stand with this guy?
And it's not so much that I stand with Trump as an entity like a lot of people.
People are enamored.
They want to get photos.
They want to get a signed hat.
I stand with Trump because right now, unless it's a guy like you or somebody else out there, right now he's the warrior that has put himself and his entire family, his entire enterprise, on the docket to help this country.
I know one thing about Trump.
Trump loves America.
He absolutely, he dearly, dearly loves America.
And when you see somebody in their sort of worst moments, and there were times, particularly during the 2016 campaign, that I saw him like that, or that I had conversations, intimate conversations with him about this country.
Because we met 2015, right?
I'm not like some long-lost buddy from New York that played baseball with him, right?
I mean, and he loves his family.
And I saw him do things for people for just the regular guy or regular guy.
I saw him do things when nobody else was looking.
In the military, you're judged.
You're judged by what you do when nobody else is looking.
Your standard is your standard when nobody else is looking.
You're a lieutenant, you're a private, you're told, pick up the cigarette butts, right?
And maybe you're walking down the street and nobody's telling you to do it, but you do it because you just know it's the right thing on a military base or on your yard, right?
Somebody throws trash in your yard, nobody's, you know, whatever.
This is a guy that loves this country.
He loves the direction of this country.
He wants to be just like it is, just like the Constitution allows, where we have another element.
We have a very dangerous element in this country, very dangerous.
And when they say me to me, they point at me and they go, he's a threat to democracy.
This isn't a democracy.
This is a constitutional republic.
But they never say he's a threat to the Constitutional Republic.
You don't hear the parrots out there going, What do you fear the most right now?
What are you most concerned about right now with America?
I mean, I know we talked globalism versus nationalism.
You've got to stand up.
No, not nationalism, not nationalism.
Americanism.
Americanism.
Okay, so what is your biggest concern?
What's the biggest threat we have in America right now?
Yeah, I think the speed, the speed that things are moving, I pray that the speed in which we are moving toward sort of the end of times, the end times here is moving faster than most people can sense.
So that's my anxiety, I guess, if I wake up at times and I think, man, can we do this?
So the speed in which things are happening, and I think it's purposeful now.
I don't think there's no more hiding of what it is that they're trying to do.
And when I say they to the audience, or to you guys here, I mean, it's a globalist crowd.
If you had a headquarters, like you got the commanding general of the 101st Airborne or 82nd, or whatever, you got the World Economic Forum and Klaus Schwab is kind of the face.
And then you have, like he said a couple of weeks ago, we have 600 of the smartest people in the world, right?
I mean, so then you have world bodies, World Health, World Bank, World Trade, International Monetary Fund.
You can throw the European Union as sort of an unelected subset, United Nations, and there's other globalist alliances and bodies, and maybe I'll talk about global alliances.
But I think the speed that we're moving.
So how do you overcome that?
You know, how do you overcome that?
And actually, only because I think you actually, I use the phrase local action has a national impact, but you gave six or seven things in the end of your pitch there the other day, which I thought were good in terms of what can people do, right?
What can people do?
And I do believe that our elections and our election process is at risk, right?
That's why we're a republic and we elect the people, but I do think that our election systems are at risk.
I think the entirety of the system is at risk.
There's no way in the world that Joe Biden got, I think it's whatever, 15 or 17 or whatever, million more votes than the most popular president in the history of the country, which by votes is Barack Obama.
So there's no way in the world that Joe Biden got that many.
There's no way.
So that's what I believe, right?
First Amendment.
So they're indicting, you know, they're back to the indictments that I said earlier.
They're indicting a lot of people for saying the election is rigged.
So our elections, our elections are broken.
They're definitely broken.
And we cannot operate in this country.
And I didn't talk with Tom or you, Adam, about your families.
I talked to Patrick about his family.
I mentioned I have kids and grandchildren.
So if there's one thing that I understand, it's how many nation-states have risen and fall in the history of the world?
A lot.
So when I joke, I stand up on a stage sometimes and I say to people, have you ever met anybody from Byzantine?
Byzantine?
Byzantine?
But somebody goes, it's Byzantine.
It means it's old.
Well, because it doesn't exist anymore.
There's some dust underneath a desert in the Middle East, maybe.
But it's everything else.
It's Mesopotamian Empire.
It's Islamic Empire.
It's the British Empire.
It's the Athenian Empire.
It's the Roman Empire.
All these empires have come and gone.
So now we have this thing called the American Empire.
And so the fact of life, fact of life is that empires rise and they fall.
And there's reasons why.
So as I really looked hard at, like Athens, the Athenian Empire, overextended as a military.
They had the great, you know, had all kinds of wealth.
You talk about gold and precious metals and stuff.
I mean, they had a lot of gold, right?
They were economically going bust, really, because they were hoarding it to a degree.
But you had all these different, and you had elements in their government that began to kind of rise up and they wanted more power.
So the whole idea about Washington, D.C., so the analogy is when you look at these empires that fell and they no longer exist.
I mean, it was only between World War I and World War II where the British sterling was still a currency of choice around the world.
The U.S. dollar really didn't get, didn't come into its fore until after we showed the strength of the United States of America economic system, particularly after World War II.
So, you know, I mean, and now we're talking about the U.S. dollar is at risk.
So to me, it gets back to my sort of 60,000-foot answer, Pat, is There's a speed that is occurring right now in history, and you think about history as being in the past, but no.
So, history is also in the future.
And so, there's a speed that is occurring that I'm afraid that most Americans are just now waking up to that.
And they're going, you know, like, holy shit, can we really do this?
Do we really have a selection system or an election system?
What do we have?
I mean, there's polls out there, believe them or not, but there's polls out there where the American people, a lot of them don't believe that our election system works for them, right?
A lot of people don't believe that certain elections were won by the guy that's in office.
So, I mean, it's speed right now.
And to me, you know, and I, again, maybe it's my own anxiety.
And people that know me well, guys that know me really well, that I serve with mainly in the military, they would say Flynn's always been like that.
Always been like that.
This question.
Because I worry, well, I worry, I'm sorry.
I worry about the future of this country.
I don't know why.
I just do.
And now that I was blessed to get into the place that I was in to help, you know, even Obama, right?
To help, they took my legs out.
And so people can think what they want, like I said about sticks and stones.
That doesn't matter.
You know, I always tell people, define yourself.
You're a classic example of somebody who's decided, whatever you did, I'm going to be who I am.
I'm not going to care about other people.
I'm going to go and I'm going to be successful because this is what I believe.
This is what you believe.
This is who I am, who I was as a kid and who I am.
I'm not changed since I was five years old ever.
I mean, again, people that I know that you can't have in my life, and no, most people don't this, I don't, because I don't say it, you know, I say it once in a while.
You know, you can't be married for over 42 years and be with the, you know, with a woman who I've been together with since we were like 13 years old.
Holy moly.
Okay?
And you can't have friends that I have from my days in Little League or pop one or football that are still friends that I have today that would, you know, they call me Flinney, right?
I mean, Flinny, so what's going on?
I mean, that, you cannot have that and be that kind of a person and then be defined like the way they've defined me.
They try to box me in.
And so you have to go back to the big question, right?
Which is what you guys have been asking me.
Why?
Why?
Because you're looking at a guy who knows where the bodies are buried metaphorically.
Okay?
So I know exactly what rugs to look under.
I know exactly what things to shut down.
Because there are, in this country, there are billions and billions and billions and billions times whatever you want to throw in there that are spent on bullshit, on things that no longer matter to the security of this country.
And we should be totally refocusing on sort of this world that we're going into.
Because the longest serving empire in the history of the world, I think, is still the Islamic Empire, like 1,200 years.
How did they survive for so long?
And you can go back and look at all that and go, okay, wow, they lasted a long time.
Why?
So can the United States of America, can this empire, how much longer can we go another 250 years?
Let's hope.
This concept of war, Pat asked you about the enemy.
You said that you had a master's of war, basically.
Right.
What'd you call it?
It's a master of military arts and sciences.
Masters of war.
You just talked about the longest-running empire of all time, the Islamic Empire.
There's a documentary on you called Holy War.
We all know that, you know, from our radical Islamic terrorism days that Obama wouldn't mention, and you would mention loudly that the word for that is jihad.
You know, you're talking about you're fighting a war right now.
You've said you're fighting, America's fighting a spiritual war, also a political war.
Many would argue that we're fighting a lot of culture wars right now.
So you're a general.
You're familiar with war.
Who full-on is the enemy, like name names, and how do we win the war?
Yeah, so I've walked through that just a little while ago with guys like Klaus Schwab and an element that put that together.
I mean, the World Economic Forum, you go back to 1971, 1972 timeframe.
And it was really, Henry Kissinger has been a lifelong member of it.
I've met Henry Kissinger a couple of times, bright guy, very interesting guy to meet.
And I did that as part of a transition into the National Security Advisor position.
So you have, so that's sort of a, you know, if you want a face and a name, that's kind of, that's one of those people, right?
And then if you pay real close attention to everything that they do over in, you know, sort of their headquarters in Davos, Switzerland.
So a lot of people, you know, I think because of what you have spoken about, a lot of people know that.
They know that framework.
They know that those faces and some of those names.
And you, I think, have laid that out.
So I don't think it's so much about, it's kind of like when something bad happens to you in life.
And I think you've talked about this on your show in different ways.
But all of you and everybody that watches this, when something bad happens to you in life, you're not going to be judged by that.
You're going to be judged by what you did about it.
So right now, we're going to be judged, the solutions, the solutions to moving forward are, it's not that something bad has happened to America, because something bad has happened to America.
We have become lazy and we become apathetic in our, you know, to back to your descriptors of spiritual, cultural, political, physical, emotional, intellectual.
Those are all descriptors of things that we are facing right now.
You know, the intellectual component is, you know, where do you get your information?
If you just read the, you know, the headlines and you just read the first paragraph of an article, which is, they've done studies on this kind of stuff where how much, you know, what do people actually read when they read a, you know, you send an article that's 1,000 words or 1,500 words or longer or 40,000.
People only read the topical stuff.
So there's an intellectual war that's going on where we're being bombarded by noise.
Okay.
There is an emotional world going on.
All of this stuff that we're being attacked by with, you know, if you don't take the vaccine, you do take the vaccine.
We've got families against families.
We've got friends against friends, neighbors against neighbors.
We have communities against communities.
You talked about radical Islamism, Christianity, Judaism, all the different, all the different big faiths and other faiths.
So there's this narrative to go after and to get at that emotional component.
And also that includes a physical component.
Because the physical side of this is the issue of, they call it quant theory, right?
It's the digitally tagging human beings, right?
I mean, You got the chairman of Pfizer the other day sitting on a panel, and he talks about a pill now that's an electronic pill, and it activates when it hits your stomach, and it gives off signals.
I mean, how many people know that?
I don't even know if you guys know that, just looking at your faces.
I mean, he just said that the other day.
So, I mean, there is a physical thing that's going to begin to happen.
And I'm one of these people that I like technology.
I love innovation.
I love the fact we applied it in big ways on the battlefield.
But then you have this cultural component, right?
The descriptor of cultural, this cultural war against children.
And I always say when people go red lines, you know, Obama talked about a red line in Syria, and then he let the Syrian, he let it come past it, right?
So for me, my red line in life, and I appreciate you mentioning in America's Future at the beginning.
My red line in life is anybody, anybody who abuses children, anybody who abuses children, I care whether it's the mom or the dad.
My father used to whack us, but, you know, because we deserved it.
But now, you know, it's different, I guess.
But anybody who abuses children, and I'm really talking about the whole sexual abuse and exploitation of children, that's a red line for me.
But that's happening through the narrative.
So there's also a physical harm that's going on.
But they're culturally immersing our children in everything you turn on, right?
Everything you turn on.
Disney, right?
I mean, you know, I don't know if commercials for Disney, but you look at these different shows and they're very dark.
You know, I mean, I was joking with somebody the other day, but then she corrected me.
She goes, well, who was Snow White's mother?
I said, I don't know.
The wicked.
Well, she was the stepmother.
Yeah, exactly.
I think the mother was dead.
You know, so all these wicked stepmother.
Stepmother.
That wanted to kill her.
Yeah, stepmother.
So not the mother.
So it's kind of like, you know, there's this cultural thing that's been going on a long time, and it's been going on, you know, for 50, 60, 70 years.
And then the biggest thing to me is this spiritual one, which, again, is a, you know, growing up as an Irish Catholic kid in a, you know, I mean, we didn't wear it on our sleeve.
You know, you went to church.
I was joking with one of your members of the team where he was talking about being an altar boy.
I used to be an altar boy and a choir boy, you know, young kid.
But the spiritual component of what is happening in this country, and I mentioned that one major news outlet this past week, I think it was Friday, had an article about the decline of Christianity in America, okay?
And everybody would know what the outlet is.
I won't mention them, but the decline of Christianity, that Christianity is on decline.
Yeah, it's in decline in this country.
I think that's, see, I think that's a major news outlet of record in this country that is starting to tell us what they're going to come at us with next.
Okay?
And that's why they get after me and other people that I'm now hanging out with about the Christian national as though I'm some Hitler-loving Nazi, right?
I mean, that's seriously.
They want to box you in.
And I don't care, like I said, I don't care if you're purple with pink polka dots.
What I care about is you— But I do believe there is a decline in Christianity in America, though.
I do believe I don't believe there's a decline in Mormonism.
I don't believe there's a decline in a Muslim, but I do believe there's a decline in Christianity.
But my argument is in a different way.
I think, you know, they've lost a bit of their boldness.
They're more scared.
They walk on eggshells.
Muslims don't walk scared.
They don't walk on eggshells.
They're bold about their beliefs.
They don't sit there and allow people to bully them.
They're not tolerant like many Christians that are kind of going around allowing people to bully them.
And the Christian denomination doesn't know how to market itself and be united to convert young kids.
There's a lot of people that are doing a good job around there, but the numbers say otherwise.
But I want to get a little bit specific.
And I want to be able to hit like 10 topics in the next, because I think we've got an hour left.
So if we can go through a few issues, that'd be great.
One, fifth generation warfare, right?
You talk about your guide to fifth generation warfare and how we're not talking about explosive.
This is non-explosive.
This is completely different.
Power grid.
This is internet.
This is mind.
What are some of the fifth generation warfare that you're concerned about?
Yeah, so and the other part about this is the citizen's guide.
So just 30 seconds.
You can see these, and you would know this in your time in the military.
May I?
Yeah, you can see these.
These are like field manuals, like a military field manual or military tech manual, because we could fit books like that in our cargo pockets, right?
And so it's the citizen's guide, and it's written in layman's language, right?
So the fifth generation warfare.
So, and that's a bestseller that you got in your hand there.
This will become a bestseller.
And when would you ever buy a book that gives you a test at the end of every chapter?
So if you look at that, we give a test to make you critically think about what you just read or what you believe what you just read.
Like, how do you believe that?
So it's not to like say you must believe this.
It's to say think critically about what it is that we're facing.
So the fifth generation warfare, it is a war of narratives.
It's a war for the mind.
It is psychological and information operations at its finest.
I have always said in my days as an intelligence officer and having to study our enemies that if I can think it, and I tell my bosses or the troops I'm explaining this is what the enemy might do.
So here's what we might need to do.
They would go, that's crazy.
I go, look, guys, if I can think it, they can think it.
So there's masters.
There's masters at this level that are on the other team.
And they have the corporate world, large corporate body, and that's not just U.S. corporations.
That's global corporations.
They have the corporate media, right, to be able to take, and they also have, now they have some big voices.
They have people who are prime ministers.
They have people who are presidents.
They have people who are kings, right, that are part of this, that have voices.
So the more we can have a narrative out there, and what this book tries to do, and what this, both of them, and because this is about artificial intelligence, what they try to do is to explain to people, for those that want to read it, explain sort of the, I call it, you know, the sort of five W's, right?
It's what it is that we're involved in.
Who are we up against?
What can we do about it?
How can you operate within this realm, right?
So, for example, we now, I met a bunch of people out in Nevada this past weekend, but in the last month or two, particularly for this one.
So we now have churches that are buying bulk orders of these, and they're doing training sessions inside of their churches.
Because I do want to address your point about the Christianity thing.
I think that it's, because you use the word marketing, that's part of our problem because ministers, pastors, priests, I'm a Catholic, they've turned this thing into a business instead of a faith, right?
And because 501c3s and fours, you know, they got to take care of it.
The government doesn't want to be bothered.
I mean, trust me, I have learned more about this stuff in the last couple of years.
But this is all part of it.
Everything that I just said is all part of the fifth generation warfare because we don't want to, you know, we don't want to, I say go to the gates, right?
We don't want to go to the gates.
We don't want to, and I've, and MSNBC, every damn night they're on, you know, they got somebody on saying Flynn's, you know, he wants violence.
Bullshit.
I mean, this is a debate.
Like one of the values of your organization, right?
One of the values of what you talk about is the ability to debate because from debate, you get new ideas, you get new ways of doing business.
Did you see what Morning Joe said about you recently with Richard Haas?
Yeah, who I bet both and Haas, Haas, you know, Council of Foreign Relations.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But what did they say?
Well, they talked about what happened with you and Trump and Pence, but very boldly they said this man should not have security clearance or any sort of confirmation and that the combination of Donald Trump and General Michael Flynn is toxic to our national security.
That's Richard Haas, former diplomat, MSNBC contributor.
It's fascinating.
Why does he think that?
And he said that the other day.
Yeah, this is recent.
Yeah, because you almost have to ask the question, why?
Why do they still fear me?
Why?
Why do they fear me?
Well, you said because you know where the bodies are buried.
I already laid that out.
They fear me because they have zero control over me.
And my control mechanism is based on what's best for our country.
Okay?
But can it be like there were other generals in the Trump administration?
You had Mattis, you had John Kelly, you had McMaster, right?
So these guys, I also assume if they've been in the business of war, where are they today?
That's my question.
Is that they also, I assume, know where the bodies are buried?
And none of them speak highly of Trump.
No, no, no.
Why you not that?
Now, now you can say McMaster maybe got dug in a little bit, but I don't believe he did.
I know all them.
I know all of them, but no.
I mean.
You don't think they know?
No, I don't.
I don't.
Really?
What separates you between the rest of the generals?
I think I am in one of these places.
And I also, again, in the types of questions to ask, because that doesn't mean that they're not smart guys.
They're not, you know, they've served our country.
They've sacrificed our country, particularly with General Kelly and the loss of his son.
But I think that their mindset, and again, I'm sort of, I'm trying to say what is on their mind.
You know, where are they today?
Do they not believe what is happening to our country?
Do they think that five to 10 million, maybe, maybe it's more, that are invading our country?
Do they think that over 100,000 killed in action on the streets of America by fentanyl alone, just by fentanyl?
Do they think that that's fine?
Do they think that the war in Ukraine is fine?
That's the loser.
It's a loser.
So do they think, and so where are they?
So, you know, it's kind of like, you know, speak up or forever hold your tongue.
And in this case, Adam, in this case, we could lose this country.
Can't they also agree with that, but maybe think that Trump is not the remedy for that?
Because these guys all then here's what I would say.
Then Jim, right?
Kelly, McMaster, go run for president.
Go put your name in the hat.
Maybe people will go, oh, yeah, we need this guy.
Go run.
Go do something.
Instead of sitting on the sidelines or up in the bleachers, right?
Yelling at the coach, saying, coach, you don't know what you're doing.
You're stupid.
You know, whatever.
Put this guy in.
Put that guy in.
Right?
Sitting in a place where they're not putting their, you know, again, and I know they put their lives on the line.
But now this is different.
This is different.
Why don't you run?
You know what?
I've thought about it.
And maybe in the future I will.
I mean, I don't know.
What about a Trump VP?
Can you see that?
I will tell you that the tough question to answer are those questions about serving in the country.
But I'm not, you know, right now, right now, it's kind of like an athletic competition, right?
You know, you're going to have two guys this weekend, right?
You're going to have Mike Tyson and Tom Brady, right?
Tom Brady, he obviously knows, and Mike Tyson knows about the championship match.
Brady knows about the Super Bowl.
But you get to those places by a series of steps and preparing, right?
And I think right now this country, we can't worry about the Super Bowl.
We can't worry about the championship match until we get to, frankly, from my perspective, all these people around the country that are really starting to wake up.
There's an awakening going on in this country.
And I, you know, if you go back in and we don't need to talk about it today, but go back in and dig into those who vote in this country, the numbers, the percentages that are Christian, that are Catholic, that are faith-based.
They're actually still what gets this country through an election.
You know, if I, I'm sitting here for an hour and a half just listening to you.
I'm trying to see what have I picked up.
And I want to be as respectful as possible.
So, okay, the question about why Obama came after you, because you know where the bodies are at.
Okay, fine, no problem.
So let's put that one there.
You know, fifth generation warfare, I still don't know what's fifth generation warfare.
I really want to learn what is fifth generation warfare.
Asking questions about, you know, different issues that we have.
What I'm interested in with somebody that's been in that space, I want to get as specific as answers in the shortest amount of time as possible so we can hit up a few different topics.
So for you, you know, we're voters.
You're on the inside, right?
I want to know, you know, what the biggest threats are.
You said World Economic Forum, Klaus Schwab, he said, who are some of the figureheads?
You went to United Nations being one, EU being one of them.
World Health Organization, fine.
We went to some of these other things.
But it's a lot of generalization.
I'm trying to get more specific to see what we should be worried about.
So as an American myself, I got a few concerns, okay?
I'm wondering, you said election is one of the things that we have to be worried about.
Okay, so I understand going back to the election side and it is frustrating.
You think Trump won, totally get it.
Now we're going to see what's going to happen.
I think not allowing the tweet to go out to New York Post that really hurt the election.
The fact that we didn't find out what it was because somebody on the inside didn't want to put this email being out.
But I want specifics.
You know, aside from World Economic Forum, aside from, you know, globalism versus Americanism, which, you know, America first, we're talking to the fellows yesterday and I'm like, listen, my border in U.S. southern border is 10 times more important to me than protecting Ukraine border.
I'm concerned about our borders is what I'm concerned about, right?
And the Christian stuff, you know, when we were talking about that, I've spoken to so many different pastors.
I think Christians suck at marketing.
I really think they suck at marketing and telling the story.
And, you know, unfortunately, they also don't have a backbone.
They're very easily saying yes to everything.
They're afraid of everybody.
They're walking on ex-shows.
They change their messaging on the Bible because, God forbid, if somebody takes that clip and sends it somewhere, they may get canceled.
So the bravery and the courage is gone a bit for some of them.
I know that's a big part of your life and what you're doing.
When you're going around everywhere you go, my sister is going to come here to meet you because they can't wait to get a picture with you on how much they respect what you've done.
But I want specifics, General Flynn.
You've been around the block for a while, a long time, 33 years military, three-star general.
When you're a general in the military, you're no longer in the military.
You're a politician, not a politician, but you have to get kind of elected to get that.
You are appointed.
That's not going to be handed out to anybody.
That takes real work, which means you're on the inside.
Specific, specific, specific.
America, right now, with the election, every four years, the same message comes out.
Let me tell you why this is the most important election of all time, and you should be this, because if this is it, we're going to lose America.
That message has been repeated by God knows how many people.
Reagan said it best when he said we are all one generation away from losing our freedom.
And it seems like every four years, just let's, if I was somebody that was in this space, I would have taken the 30 lines that everybody needs to say, because you say this in sales when you're running a company or when you're doing interviews.
The average person knows the 20 questions you're supposed to, what's your key to success?
And da-da-da-da-da.
I got it.
I want to know real stuff.
But if I had these quotes, this is the most important election, this more.
Fine.
I'm concerned with the America that I came to and the America dream that we bought into.
I think America, many of them are confused.
I think COVID we could have used to unite, just like 9-11 kind of united America.
COVID kind of divided us.
We're not united today.
And hearing you speak on what you think the enemy is, hearing the other side speak, hearing you are the enemy, the guy that's in the middle who doesn't follow this stuff, he's like, holy shit, whatever happened to the United States of America.
This is a real concern.
We should drop the United States, right?
We should drop the United, just states of America.
What's the true concern that you have today that's different than the previous, however many elections we've had?
Yeah, I think the difference that I feel today is that if we do go through another election with a similar outcome, that we are going to rapidly move towards, and I would call it the United Socialist States of America, with much more than just an overreaching government that overtaxes us, but a government who controls our lives much differently.
I mean, we haven't gotten into digital currency, or we haven't talked about digitizing our bodies.
But I do believe that we are moving towards a United States that is more states than United.
And I do believe that if we have a similar outcome, whether it's Biden or whoever, and I don't think he's going to, I just personally don't think he's going to make it, but that we will move in a direction where we may be what they like to call a democracy, but we're not going to be a constitutional republic.
And there are people in our government, so there are members of the House of Representatives, members of the U.S. Senate, members inside of the bureaucracy, for sure, the government bureaucracy and people inside the White House, that see the future with a different form of our Constitution, a different way to impose our Bill of Rights,
and a system of government that is much more controlling than allowing some kid from wherever, from LA, to join our Army and then become what you've become, right?
I mean, now some will go, oh, no, no, we're still going to have that.
There's still going to be those kinds of people that we need to have that because we need to be able to run the engines that we run.
But the majority of people in this country, they're not like that.
They're not in that top 1% or top 10% even.
So I really do believe that that's the threat that we're facing.
And like I said, maybe too quickly, the fact of life, the fact of human history is that nation states rise and fall.
And so where is the United States of America on that spectrum?
And maybe I'm overly hyperbolic, but my sense is that I'm not.
And I'd like to be.
And I like to be really bigly, you know, I'd like to be mistaken about everything.
But when I see what I see, because you're absolutely right about marketing and just they're just chicken in terms of the, these that are running these, you know, and and I've run into many of them and that's going to be, that's going to be one of the one of the, the downfalls or demises of this country, because I don't believe, you know the the congregation of America is in decline.
I actually believe they're looking for leadership.
I think this country is, this country is looking for leaders.
They're looking for strong leaders.
You know, leaders who put, who put everything ahead of themselves.
Okay, instead of putting their egos because somebody becomes a governor.
Okay, we're sitting in Florida, somebody becomes a governor, and the first thing that happens is a whisper in their ear going, hey, you can be president of the United States, you're going to be president of the United States someday.
Now, as soon as they put that bug, that's the day they win the governorship.
Somebody's whispering in their ear, and so that's why you see all these people.
It doesn't mean that they're bad people.
It doesn't mean that they're they couldn't be good presidents.
But why do we, why do we put our trust in this country into lifelong politicians?
Okay, that's why they hate guys like Donald Trump.
That's why they despise somebody like me.
Because I was a Democrat, I got appointed twice by Obama.
I said which is still crazy and they look at your whole file.
It's like well, he's a Democrat because you get, you're done being promoted up to two star.
You get appointed after that.
You know it's a political appointment and so you know where is on the landscape of America.
Because I've met some of these people who have, who are, I think, are strong leaders, who are in the world of business and they're running great organizations, it's like.
But they then what do they do they?
They let somebody else run for politics, like you're asking me I could give a shit about.
I'd rather be.
I'd rather be playing lousy golf, surfing.
I love the surf, got good surf right out here right now, you know.
So I mean, I'd rather be doing that, but I'm not.
So why?
Why me?
You asked me about Mattis Kelly, McMaster.
Where are these people?
Okay, in this country, and so when I look at people and I meet a lot of them, everybody wants to meet and say hello and I'm sorry for what happened to you.
Blah blah, blah.
And I love that.
It's humbling, it's humbling experience.
But right now, our country, I know we have great leaders, we just don't have them in in the political class of our country.
I just don't, I don't believe that.
I don't.
That's, that's generalizing, because there's a few, there's a few, but when you look at somebody you go, man, how long have you been in politics?
Well, I started as an intern and I've been here, for I've been doing this for 40 years.
I'm like you know, you never created anything.
You never.
You know.
I mean again, I. How do you feel about Governor Ron DeSantis?
I think he's been a little bit too much milquetoast.
I think he's been just when you look at how he got to where he's at, and now what he's now he's sort of turned on some things.
I mean, I think it was a big mistake for him to say, I'm going to run for governor, I'm going to be the best governor.
And then he jumped off that train and now he's running for president.
What is milquetoast exactly?
Milk toast is just basically somebody who's, you know, he's, you know, like not assertive, not like this is what we got to do.
You don't think DeSantis is assertive?
No, I don't.
Nope, I don't.
I think he's assertive enough.
There's problems.
I live in Florida.
I've been here for a couple of years.
I pay very close attention to my communities and my counties and what's happening in this state.
And I think that there's a lot of other things.
Education, there's some areas in education that he could really get on top of.
I lived through Ian last year, and the town I was in was wasted.
And you go all the way down to Port Myer, and people over there are still devastating.
After a couple of political things, you get down there, you do some handshaking.
Now it's like, where are you at?
Where are you at?
Didn't he build a bridge within three days?
And by the way, I'm very critical of government.
Well, fine.
Find a bridge, a bridge.
But it's like there's a fishing fleet down in Fort Myers.
And again, I just know that it's like the people of Lahaina.
People are going to forget about Lahaina here in a little bit.
And what we can't do is we can't.
The one thing about leaders, okay, I'm pointing it at you, Pat, because you talk about this and you show this and your organization, your values are a part of it.
It's the idea of being able to juggle multiple balls at the same time.
I agree.
The people in a great organization, the leaders at the top, they got no problems juggling multiple balls.
Anybody that wants to run this country better be able to do that.
And they need to be able to do it, but they also need to be able to prioritize what are the top two or three things that I got to worry about every single day to make sure that the engines are running smoothly, the trains are moving on time.
I got to do that as a president or as a governor.
But I'm not going to drop these.
Not going to drop these.
So how many balls do you think President Biden can juggle?
I'm curious.
It's a technical question.
Maybe you need the answer to that.
Yeah, yeah.
Are they rubber?
Soft?
Who else do you think?
Who else do you think?
You got him to laugh.
Who else do you think is when you're looking at the candidates?
I don't know how you feel about Vivek or how Nikki Haley did with the whole debate on that.
Vivek is well spoken and he's razor thin in terms of his experience.
And a lot of people go, oh, Vivek, he's very well spoken, very articulate.
He's razor thin in terms of his experience.
You ought to have him on and ask him about some of his matters.
We've had him on.
We've had him.
We did that town hall.
We did multiple months ago.
I'm sorry.
A month ago, three weeks ago, we discussed him.
So somebody may say, well, President Trump was razor thin with experience in politics when he got elected.
So why support him and not be excited about A. Vivek?
Yeah, it's not razor thin in politics.
Actually, that would be a badge to wear.
It's razor thin in life and people experience.
And to me, that's a really important aspect of a leader, is having somebody who really has dealt with a lot of goods, bads, and uglies, a lot of organizations, a lot of employees, if you will, a lot of things and had to make really tough decisions.
Well, if he's too young and Biden is too much.
Not young, young, you know, inexperienced.
I get it.
Yeah.
Youth is not a criteria for me.
There's a difference between wisdom and being smart.
Wisdom comes with experience.
And a lot of times age, the conversation these days is about Biden is he's too old.
Trump's way more energetic, but he's only four years younger than Biden.
What are your thoughts on this whole age restriction, especially even in Congress?
What age should the president be?
No, I don't think age matters as long as you've got all the faculties and you're healthy.
I don't think age matters.
I really don't.
I don't think age matters.
Now, we have a constitutional age for president.
35, right?
But I think that that's good.
That's fine.
You said when Trump was picking VPs, it was Newt Gingrich, it was Christie, it was yourself, and it was Pence, right?
Yes.
Who do you think right now watching?
There's a lot of different talks on who would be the VP.
Is there anybody on stage at the GOP debate that could be President Trump's VP?
I don't see anybody that, you know, there's talks of different people aside from Tim Scott.
Do you see anybody that could potentially be the VP?
Or do you think it's going to be from the outside?
It's not going to be from the stage.
I think he's got to really consider that choice because I think he made a poor choice the last time.
And I think the American people know that.
They definitely know that now.
With Pence.
Yeah, I do.
Yeah.
Do you and Pence have a relationship?
No.
No.
When's the last time you guys spoke?
Last time we spoke was the night that I left the White House.
I actually disagree with the Unbelievable.
I disagree with you that he made a poor choice.
Hang on, hang on, what's that?
I wonder if you're not.
The last time you guys spoke, what was that like?
Was it, you know.
I told him that, you know, that I'm sorry that I put him in any kind of a position.
I wasn't quite sure.
And, you know, we had an intimate conversation.
Intimate friendly or intimate straight up?
Intimate straight up, like two men.
Got it.
Got it.
But I think he was the most loyal vice president ever until January 6th or until that day.
I remember thinking about it.
A lot of Mike Pence.
I mean, I don't know because I left the White House.
So I don't know what the, you know, I can't define the loyalty factor.
Everybody listening doesn't have the inside view that you had.
Nobody does.
But if you could just look at it from, you know, the macro perspective, this guy is the exact opposite of Donald Trump.
He is a Christian man, evangelical from Indiana.
You know, this guy won't even be in the same room.
Have you ever seen that Seinfeld episode where Elaine goes fake, fake, fake?
Yeah.
Have you seen that?
Well, I love Seinfeld, so yes.
You're saying that that's all an act?
I'm not sure if you've seen that episode.
It's a great episode.
Bizarro Jerry episode?
No, she's talking about, you know, I think having, right?
He knows.
He's seen it.
He knows what I'm talking about.
Oh, the sexual stuff.
Gotcha.
Or fake, fake, fake.
Got it.
Yep.
All right, cool.
What are you saying that about Pence for?
Because on the surface.
Because you just said three things, so I only use fake, fake, fake.
If you had maybe said another fourth thing that I'd disagree with, I would say fourth.
All right.
Well, let's go.
So now you guys are getting a sense of, you know, thank you for allowing me on your show.
I'll probably never be back on.
No, you guys will never invite me back.
0% generalization.
But this is now a time.
Well, you're calling Mike Pence fake multiple times.
Yeah.
Okay.
What's fake about him?
His book.
This book that he just came out with?
Forget his book.
No, no, no, no, because he's telling, you write these books.
This is not a book about Mike Flynn.
He wrote a book about him.
And so you've got to really dig into the book to see what kinds of things he talked about that are not true.
Okay.
So I can't judge him for the loyalty.
I can only judge him for the moments that we met, talked, sat down, interacted in different cases.
And again, and this will probably be the part that gets, you know, gets a lot of talk about this show.
But why is it that we're always talking about politicians running for politics?
That's a problem in this country.
Okay?
So for all of you, and for anybody that's listen, all these people that bitch about politicians, and those people up there are corrupt.
And that's all we ever talk about.
We talk about politicians.
Like you're asking me about politicians running for office again instead of leaders that I know exist in this country stepping up and saying, you know what?
Kind of like what Trump did.
Trump could have said, I ain't going to do it.
I'll just get, I'll get behind somebody and I ain't going to do it.
Look at what that man has gone through in his family.
I know what I went through.
Okay?
So did he go through it because he likes to be punished like that?
No.
He went through it because, and has he stuck to it?
Because he's a politician?
No.
So that's my point for you guys.
That's my point for your audience is that we have allowed a political class that has consumed this country.
And we always go, oh, those people, you know, let them do it.
Okay.
Let them do it.
Because I'm going to go make some money.
I'm going to go run a big business.
But I have a rebuttal for that.
I would push back, General, with all due respect, and I would say, why don't the other guys run?
You can run.
If you're saying, let's choose a leader, let's get those leaders to have the brass to get on the stage.
Yeah, exactly.
But I don't think that's a pushback so much, Pat.
I'm sorry to cut you off.
But you know, like for me, the thing that was admirable about Trump is the fact that you got an incredible life.
You're giving that up for the dirtiest industry to get into.
Are you kidding me?
You got a life where you have a TV show that's been number one for 15 years.
You're going to all the parties.
You're hanging out with everybody.
You're having an incredible golf anywhere.
People welcome you.
You go into an arena.
You go into a stage.
It doesn't matter if it's the left, the right, rap.
Everybody looked at this guy saying he's the American dream.
They didn't want to get into this space.
Now, you're saying leaders, I totally agree with you.
We don't have a lot of leaders that are wanting to.
So for me, I would think from a guy like you, I thought you would be a Vivek guy, because Vivek is a guy that's a, he's made his money.
He made it at a young age.
He's went out there, worked.
You see pictures the other day, a video of him asking questions of Reverend Jackson.
He put it on his Instagram when he was 18 years old and he gave his valedictorian speech.
You're like, wait a minute, this guy's been planning for this for 20 years.
This has not been a thing that he hasn't had and he's selling America great.
Anti-establishment.
Yeah, and he's an anti-establishment guy.
He wants to shut down pretty much everything.
Tear down all the agents.
He's got to deal with a lot of the controversy that he's got to deal with.
He's going to have to face.
They're going to come after him as well.
He's going to have to answer the question about the Soros, the World Economic Forum, which he is doing regularly back and forth.
And that's normal.
You're going to have to face that when you go through it.
But as much as I agree with you, why don't you guys go behind closed doors and recruit people to want to run?
Why is it that these politicians keep running?
Because the same can be said, like even the Christian church.
I'm a Christian, and my life changed in a dramatic way when I went to Shepherd of the Hills in L.A. and I met Pastor Dudley Rutherford.
We've been best friends since 20 years.
I changed my wedding day from a Saturday to a Friday just so he could do our ceremony because he would preach on Saturday.
And we have a very good relationship together till today.
Life-changing.
Our kids on Sundays would rather listen to and watch the, you know, on the, what do you call it, on the screen than going to church because they want to hear Dudley's way of telling stories.
They love the guy.
But I don't see them stepping up.
I had a meeting with Pastor Dudley a few months ago and a couple different pastors myself.
I'm like, why aren't pastors running?
Why aren't more military people running?
Why aren't more business people like even when's the guy from Starbucks who ran?
Howard Schultz.
And he got trashed because he has to apologize about being a billionaire.
And he kind of backed down a little bit because he wanted to run as a Democrat.
And then he realized it doesn't matter who you are, Mr. Democrat or Republican.
They're going to come after you.
He then got a taste of his own medicine.
And he had to give a little pushback.
But to me, to me, it kind of goes back to what we talked about yesterday with Brian and Ed is the fact that, man, it's the climate, General Flynn.
It's hard.
It's so hard that it's getting some people where they're sitting.
I visualize this conversation.
This is what I visualize.
I visualize the conversation.
You know how Mark Cuban is kind of like, well, I talk to the wife and the kids.
I'm not running.
Okay.
But I talked to somebody else yesterday who's in media who you know very closely.
And he says, bullshit.
Bullshit.
This whole line everybody uses.
I talk to my wife and kids, and I've decided not to run because we're going to do this.
He says, Pat, can you imagine you having to talk to your wife and kids about running for office?
If you chose to run for office, you're choosing to run for office.
I agree with the guy on what he said.
But with all the dirtiness that's going on, some people are just saying, you know what, I'm going to skip this.
I'm just not going to do it.
So there almost needs to be the conciliary relationship.
Some people like you that behind closed doors that come in and say, look, man, let me go through it.
They're going to target you.
They're going to ruin your life.
Your kids are going to go through it.
Your wife's going to go through it.
Everyone's going to go through it.
But guess what?
You're going to die in 20 years.
And America's bigger than you and I.
So if you love America, you love God, and you realize that you're eventually going to be dying and your legacy can be to give back to the country that changed your life, you got to run.
Those types of people, are there people like that behind closed doors that are going around trying to nominate some of the guys that we think would make a good president?
I don't know if that camp exists.
Yeah, I believe that that camp exists.
I believe that people have leveraged their networks and their knowledge about how dirty it is and try to convince people to do, you know, to run.
I think that some of those that you mentioned, what I wrote down here was people that are really wealthy, that have the resources, like a big businessman or woman who's run large organizations and done well, they then jump into the political arena and it's like they're ashamed about their success.
People should not be ashamed about their success.
Trump is not ashamed about his success.
He's a guy that's like, hey, I worked my tail off and I got a great thing.
He talks about it.
Romney, Romney was an example and he's really, he's sort of like an in-between guy, although he's been in politics a long time.
But Romney tried to do the, while he was running for president, he tried to do the blue jeans and like a cool guy, like he's one of us, right?
I mean, and it turns people off.
Don't be something that you're not.
If you're a good leader and you've done well in life, don't be ashamed of that.
In fact, be proud of it.
We want to, we look at you and we're like, man, you did it.
I agree.
That's what I want to do.
I agree.
I want to look at a guy like you and go, man, this guy's done really well.
How has he done it?
Because he works hard.
He's smart.
He deals with people.
That's how I look at you.
33 years three-star.
You know how hard it is to be a three-star?
When I was in the Army, when a three-star walked into the room, we froze.
I can tell you how many times I saw a three-star in the 25 years for being in there.
I fully agree.
But why aren't those guys running?
It's funny.
I think You described it with all of the how much they're going to attack, right?
So if you're not on that team, okay, and we've been talking, you know, I don't, you know, you're not on that sort of team on the left.
Sure.
Okay.
You're not on that team, they're going to come after you really hard.
And why do we know that?
How do we know that?
Look at what they've already done.
So the infiltration, because you've been, I want you to be specific, be specific.
You know, the infiltration that's been going on in our government has been going on for a long time.
Trump was a, you know, in history, in U.S. history, Trump is going to be, and you get pissed, but it's what it is.
He's going to be kind of a blip in history, but it could be a blip that either shows that there was a guy that stood up at one moment in U.S. history that was fighting for everything that we believe in that this country was built upon, and he was fighting for us, and we didn't get behind him.
Or, you know, or he wins again, and we have some breathing space.
We have some breathing space because he's not the answer.
He's not the, you know, he's not going to be the answer to all of our problems.
We've got a lot of problems in this country.
So, you know, and in terms of other candidates, like in this case, because we mentioned Vivek, you know, there are people out there, and you've got to examine these people.
As time goes on, I mean, there's no more examining me.
You know, you can go and look at whatever you want.
It's all out there.
Now, you might have to go to the 20th page on Google to find some real legitimate stuff, but there's no more examining me.
As people are going to start examining these people, and it's starting particularly with Vivek, but others.
Pence is another one.
The analysis of, I mentioned his book, the kinds of things that he's done.
A lot of these other guys that are at, like, they shouldn't even be on the stage anymore.
If you can't get like 5% or something, it should be like a cutoff.
Like if you're not 35 or older, or you don't get 1%, you're off the stage kind of thing.
So Axios had an article out today, I think it's today, about, they said, I think the title was, Trump May Consider Vivek as a Vice Presidential Candidate.
Now, who knows where that comes from, but, you know, and I'm fine with all that.
I'm fine with all those type of decisions.
But I just know that when I look at somebody, I'm looking at them and I'm saying, you know, are you ready for what is about to occur?
Okay.
And what is about to occur is you are going to enter the gates of hell.
Okay?
You're going to enter the gates of hell when you go into this arena.
And it's, and nobody, they're not going to be kind if you believe that this country should continue to be a constitutional republic based on this document, Bill of Rights, the Declaration of Independence, all of the greatness of our country, capitalism, right?
Capitalism.
And you work hard, you can make a lot of money, go live a good life, give back, give back, right?
My old man used to teach all of us kids, you know, the golden rule, right?
Treat others like you like to be treated.
Everybody, to me, doesn't matter.
I don't care what color you are.
I don't care what suasion you are.
If you're a good person, you're going to treat others like you like to be treated, right?
And never stop learning.
Those are other, that's another lifelong lesson.
I think you're December 24th, baby, right?
Okay, my mom's also December 24th.
What a night to be born, huh?
Christmas Eve gift.
But so, okay, so VP, I think this is a very weird, why I wouldn't have said Vivek before and why Vivek could happen is for two different reasons.
I think on first term, a Trump cannot have a Vivek as a VP.
On a first term, Trump needs a low-key person as a VP, in my opinion.
This is why Newt maybe wasn't a good VP for first term.
Remember, he's only got one shot.
I know he only has one shot.
I totally get it.
So whoever you choose as a VP, in a way, you got to think that's going to be the next two-year term you would want to be.
So if you choose a vanilla candidate for a VP, that guy's not going to win two terms, okay?
That guy's not going to win 2028.
But if you choose somebody like him as a VP, he could win 2028 if you get him.
If you choose a Tucker-like a VP, again, I'm not saying it's going to be Tucker.
I'm just throwing the name out there.
Tucker's not going to be.
What do you think of Tulsi Gabbard?
As a VP?
Yeah.
For Trump?
Yeah.
As a VP, I think.
And I'm not pushing that.
I saw her and I know she's a lot of people.
She's loved by a lot of people.
She is loved by a lot of people.
She was on the podcast a few months ago.
She's great.
She's loved by a lot of people, and she's a great communicator.
And it would be a very interesting dynamic.
Christine Ohm, you know, she's also, you know, the way she carries herself, there's a few names.
But I think choosing the next VP.
You see where we're going?
We're going back to politics.
We're going back to politicians, with probably the exception of Vivek.
Who is the best military leader we have right now?
You can't nominate, obviously, outside of yourself.
Who's a great military leader that we have right now that would make a great VP candidate?
It's pretty wild that you got to think about it.
I know.
I know.
It's pretty wild because this is Commander-in-Chief General.
No, no, no.
It's heartbreaking.
Doesn't it come down to the Electoral College?
And this is why they go with politicians because, all right, Pence will lock up the Indiana white evangelical vote or Governor DeSantis will help us win Florida or whoever it may be.
So that's why they always are going back to that well.
Yeah, I think that that's right.
That's the way we've allowed our nation to be designed like that in a lot of ways.
And it's good or bad.
It's just the way it is.
And it's like, well, I need to get this guy on the ticket because I need these 26 or 43 electoral votes, Texas or whatever.
Look at Kennedy.
You know, I'm stunned a bit because I can't, I'm still trying to process your question because I wish that I could sit here and go, this guy that's serving or this guy that just served,
there are great leaders, but you learn when you go up in rank that be careful that you aren't promoted in the likeness of those above you and don't promote in your likeness.
Meaning you want people that are going to tell you, hey, Emperor, you don't got any clothes on today, right?
You want to, you know, the best person in a room when everybody's about to make a decision to attack, right?
And it's the young kid in the back of the room that goes, you know, is there any more questions?
Anybody have any other?
I'm about to pound the table.
And some little kid in the back, some young person goes, well, you know, I think that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard, right?
You're like, holy crap, man, somebody finally has some guts to say something.
And I fear, and I don't use that word much, but I fear now that we don't have that.
We don't have that.
And we have endless wars.
And we get, and I said this, we get an F for winning.
And you name a war that we won, don't go any further than World War II.
Don't go any further back in history than World War II.
Name a war that we've won.
And We get an A, A plus plus plus for participation in war.
How do we get there?
So I don't know.
I just think that we're in one of those places right now in this country where I do want people to, I want those leaders, those big leaders who are ready and frankly have the resources.
Don't be ashamed that you have, that you've done well in life.
I mean, in fact, use it.
Use it to your advantage.
That's the interesting thing about a guy like Vivek.
He uses it.
He talks about how he made his money.
But I think that people start to examine some of the each's and some of the details of how there's a lot of angst against the pharmaceutical industry in this country.
Pat can talk for days about that.
The only pro I would see of that is how FDR.
You know why I say that?
You know why I say that because I just get to Vivek.
No, totally.
I know how he made his money and I know his background, what you know, the criticism of what happened with the drugs he bought and how some of these things were ones that, you know, the companies that went out of business went out of business.
He bought them.
Yeah, totally get it.
I've watched that video.
I've watched all the criticism video of him because I get bombarded with those videos hundreds at a time.
But I think, think about Joseph Kennedy, complicated character, right?
FDR used to learn about all the fraud that was going on in the SEC in the stock market.
Why?
Because he kind of knew how to do it himself, right?
So FDR brought Joseph in.
It's like, hey, this is what we're going to do in a clean house.
And, you know, the stock market, Great Depression, which, again, Joseph was a part of.
He knew how to manipulate it.
Vivek knows how the big pharma stuff works.
So what if he comes in and he works with some of these guys and changes some of the patent laws and we take big pharma from advertising?
That's what now.
By the way, he doesn't have to be a VP.
He can still play leadership role.
I'm just saying, if he does.
The thing about him is we're assuming that he would even want to be a VP.
He said himself, I have no desire to be a VP.
I want to be a president, is what I want to be.
If you have any final thoughts on this, I want to transition into Progozian to get your thoughts on that.
Secretary of the Treasury.
Secretary of the Treasury for him.
I think he'd probably do a really amazing job.
Wow.
Vivek.
And I don't, again, I haven't spoken to him, haven't had a conversation with him.
And he's doing what he's doing.
But I think when you look at that position, that's a very, very powerful position.
Would he be better than Mnuchin or Yellen?
What would he be different?
I think he's got a, and again, it's not, those guys were good people and I know them.
But I think this guy, he sees a future that's different because of where he has been.
And I think that, so, you know, I'm not going to, I am, I am sort of, you know, really digging in to all of them, particularly him, but to all of them, and seeing where is their heart.
Okay.
Would you say you're a like, do you and President Trump communicate regularly?
I would say we communicate.
Okay.
You know how Christie is the one that helped Trump pick Ray or some of these guys, you know, because Christie was supposed to be the VP.
So, hey, you know, why'd you listen to that?
And their buddies are like, you know, they're longtime New York.
Right, New York buddies, and now Christie's going after Trump and all that stuff.
How important is the team you pick to help you pick, if that makes sense?
The filtering team.
How do you trust the filtering team?
Because Trump only knows you since 2015.
So when you come in in 2016, for a guy that's not been in politics, so you're saying let's not get people that are in politics, let's choose people that are leaders that are not in it.
How do they create the filtering team, the advisors to help them pick the team?
Yeah, I think that one of the things that did happen in the 2016 transition into taking over in 2017 was the Republican Party stepped in and did it all.
You know, when you're elected as president of the United States, you have to hire in about six months, you've got to hire somewhere between 3,000 and 4,000 people.
So those are all the currently all the appointees, you know, secretaries to undersecretaries to assistant secretaries to commission heads, all those kinds of things.
So about 3,000 to 4,000 people.
One person, a president can't go and do that.
So you've got to have a body of people to do that.
That formation back in 2016 was done by the Republican Party, and that's why I think we had so many uniparty problems, right?
And I think that we Trump didn't understand that.
He didn't understand that number.
He didn't understand the dynamics because he wasn't a Washington, D.C. guy.
So he's learned a lot.
He's learned a lot.
And he is somebody now who, to your question, how do you form that transition team, right?
So how do you put together the right type of people that they don't want anything other than what's best for the country, okay?
So to put the best person as a Secretary of Treasury, and then you've got to let the Secretary of Treasury or the Secretary of Defense, they then, they have to pick their team, right?
Not because you were a big donor, so you're going to go as undersecretary of something, right?
Or you're a big donor, you're going to go over to a really important key relationship that we have as an ambassador to Japan or South Korea, right?
Or you're going to go to Europe, and you're going to be an ambassador because you contributed, I don't know, a million dollars, right?
You're a smart person, you're a nice person, but you're not the right person.
So we have got to now, we get into that.
Let's assume that we have a legitimate fair election and we have the outcome that the American people want.
And at that point in time, let's see what happens.
Let's see what happens with the transition because you're right.
You're mentioning people who were part of my demise and part of America's problem right now.
It's this current FBI director who doesn't, you know, he doesn't want to do anything for this, for Congress.
They call him up all the time, but I got very little time for Congress right now, too, in terms of how this new house is operating.
Yeah, my concern is who he's going to trust to help with the transition.
That's a concern.
Let's talk about Progozhin, what just happened here.
Did you see the story which just came up, the next one?
So genetic test confirms Progozhin died in a plane crash.
Russia says, however, I'll read this first, and then there is other stories speculating that he's not dead.
So Russia investigators have definitely confirmed the death of Evgeny Progozhin, the head of the Wagner mercenary group in a plane crash.
The confirmation was based on molecular genetic examination of all passengers on the crash private jet, which was en route from Moscow to St. Petersburg and crashed in Tver region.
Progozhin's name was on the flight manifest, distinguishing himself, extinguishing hopes of his survival among Wagner sympathizers.
Progozin previously dubbed Putin's chef due to his catering ties with the Kremlin, et cetera, et cetera.
So that's this part, right?
However, do you have the other story?
This is from Daily Mail.
Yevgeny Progozhin is alive and plotting his revenge on Putin after Body Double was killed in plain assassination plots.
Russian analysts claim so.
What?
Oh, you didn't know this.
That's a body double.
That's artificial intelligence.
That's fifth generation.
General Flynn.
What is going on with this?
So to back up, so Progozhin was head of the Wagner group, which plotted a coup against Putin not too many months ago, trying to get some elements in the military in Moscow to help out, and that blew apart, right?
I've always said if you're going to have a coup, you've got to kill the king.
And that's just an old phrase in warfare.
So let's just say the other things that have to be examined here is who else got on board that airplane.
Okay, so don't just look at one guy.
And I don't know.
I think that there was a total of eight people, a couple of pilots, maybe they met either two crew or three crew.
So who else got on the airplane?
And were they people that would normally be, like you're asking about trusted advisors to be able to.
So who were they?
And that's something I think has to be examined because if in fact they did get on that plane, then either he put them on that plane purposely and knew that they were going to die, or because in a circle like his, you're going to run out of trusted advisors, okay?
You're going to run out of trusted advisors.
So if you put close, trusted advisors on.
You can kill your friends.
What a dirty guy you are.
All your people don't want to be on your teammates.
Right.
Okay.
So really don't focus on that guy.
Focus on who else.
Okay.
And I think that that's a really critical point.
That's where I would start to look.
Never mind.
I've been to sites where everybody's burned and it's hard to tell.
And there's sad stories about that.
But that's where I would look.
Who else got on that plane?
And if Progozin put his own closest advisors on that plane, knowing that he was going to go play some game about being the body double.
And so my gut reaction to just seeing this, but hearing about Progozin over the last couple of days, is that this is total bullshit.
You think it's so?
Can you go to the passport on the picture of Daily Mail?
Go to Daily Mail and go down.
And it says a Russian political analyst has claimed warlord Progozhin pictured is alive after his body double was killed.
And if you look at that passport, this image circulating on Russian Telegram channels purports to show the fake passport of a Progozian body double, the side of a plane crash in Russia's Tavir region last Wednesday.
Anyways, they're saying this guy is alive and free in an unarmed country, according to Putin's critic, Dr. Valery Solvoy, even as Russia stages his funeral, which Vladimir Putin is refusing to attend.
Wow.
What are the chances the U.S. intelligence agencies know exactly what's going on?
I would say actually probably small to none.
Really?
Why?
Yeah.
I think that we overrate our capabilities.
You're saying that the U.S. intelligence agencies are underrated?
They're probably getting this kind of stuff right, just like we're sitting here talking about it.
But wouldn't they have their eye all over him on Putin, on Progozhin, on everything?
Sure.
You know, you're funding a war in Ukraine, which I'm sure we can discuss.
Sure.
You don't think they have assets on the ground?
They're eyeing it.
In the world of intelligence, the first report is always wrong.
Okay?
First report is always wrong, tactically, operationally, and strategically.
And anybody that watches this that served in the military, watches your show, will know exactly what I'm talking about.
The world of intelligence, the first report is always wrong.
Why is that?
Because it's either going to be based on deception, it's based on misinterpretation, it's based on mislead, it's based on Is that otherwise known as a psyop?
It could be, it could be that, or it could just be, you know, somebody who saw something and they thought it was, you know, they thought it was a group of guys that were getting ready to put up some machine gun and it was three horses laying down in a field.
That's a very specific example of something that I know.
So in other words, he could be alive.
Could be.
What are the chances that he's alive and slotting his return to the future?
I think some to none.
Gotcha.
But I would go back to what I said earlier about who else went on that who else got on that plane.
Okay.
Because that means there's either a lot of body doubles or that we're marching to our own plane.
Or he's taken out his top advisors.
So boy, do you want to be a top advisor to this guy?
How about this?
Let's live in reality.
Let's say he did die.
He was shot down or whatever happened.
What's the chances that Putin ordered that?
Well, it's a message sent.
100% was Putin?
Well, it's a message.
I mean, it's like, come on.
Well, obviously, that's what we all think.
Intelligence.
Yeah, but I mean, come on.
I got common sense, too, right?
So you're saying 100% it wasn't.
Don't just, I mean, just use your own common sense.
I think it's asking the experts.
Pergozin tried to stage a coup against the leader of one of the largest nation states on the planet that are involved in a war in Europe right now that we've talked about nuclear weapons.
And all of a sudden, the plane that he's, whatever, the G, whatever he's flying around in, crashes.
What do you think about what's going on in Ukraine?
We had a whole debate yesterday on whether we should be there.
Should we not be there?
Should not be there.
We shouldn't be there.
Not whoever's totally avoidable.
It was avoidable in 2014 when they first went into the Eastern Donbasses in Crimea in February of 2014.
And it was avoidable after Biden took over office.
It was totally avoidable.
So what do you think?
It's a mess.
It's a total mess.
It's a waste of resources.
It's definitely a waste of lives.
If there's anything that I do know is, you know, we have to end these endless wars.
We just came out of 20 years of war.
This is what people don't realize because they don't want to talk about Afghanistan and Iraq where we're fighting guys in shower shoes and bathrobes, right?
To be a bit facetious, we're on a battlefield fighting counterterrorism, counterinsurgency, small unit tactics.
And now we're back on the plains of Europe where we could be fighting a much, you know, we could be back to the Warsaw Pact West, fighting a different type of war to include nuclear weapons.
And you think that our military, you think that our military has had enough time to rest, refit, and resource itself to get back up to speed?
Never mind what the Chinese are doing, not just in the Pacific, but what the Chinese are doing from Beijing west, okay, on what's called their one belt initiative.
So we're not, you know, the military government, you know, the chief of staff of the army, the chairman, will sit here and go, yeah, we're ready, we're ready to go to war.
That's such bullshit.
Well, what would you say to the people?
We have got to take, we've got to fix.
We've got to fix right here at home.
We've spent, I'm sorry, Adam.
No, sir.
We have spent 20 years of war.
One of the places we surrendered, retreated under enemy fire, and left Americans behind enemy lines.
I agree with you.
I mean, I said we had to get the hell out of Afghanistan.
We've had this debate, like the endless war is ridiculous, whether it's Vietnam, whether it's everything that's happened in Iraq, Afghanistan, now Ukraine, the endless wars, the trillions of dollars, no doubt.
So there's these stories out there.
I want to get your thoughts on this, General Flynn.
Tom's giving me the evil eye over here.
Oh, yeah.
You don't want to mess with that guy.
He'll case study you to death.
There's these stories out there that Donald Trump is still the commander-in-chief somehow.
That's bullshit.
It's bullshit.
Who's saying that story?
I personally, I think it's what are you pulling now out of your ass?
Let's ask our expert right here.
Right.
Well, I mean, that's according to certain communities on the internet, often referred to as QAnon, a lot of the belief was that President Trump was the acting.
Stop.
You're wasting his time.
Yeah.
I agree.
You're wasting your audience.
Do you have any other questions you want to ask?
Rob specifically said he worked for Walter.
Do you have any questions?
Robbie, my joker.
You got 13 minutes.
Sure.
All right.
You want me to shift?
Ask if you want transition to question asking if you're not going to be able to.
I'm going to ask you a question then, General Flynn.
This is something that's near and dear to my heart because I'm Jewish.
You said that your father served in World War II.
Yeah.
You know, here's a story from the Jerusalem Post that's sort of coming at you.
Oh, it's describing me as anti-Semitic.
It's, you know, I mean, again.
Let me read this for you.
It says, former Trump advisor Michael Finn sparked outrage by attributing blame to Jews for the Auschwitz deaths, which was the biggest concentration camp.
Have you listened?
So before you go on with the Jerusalem Post article, have you listened to the speech I gave up in Detroit, the whole thing?
I believe we have a clip of it.
I have not.
Okay, but don't just the clip.
I mean, so, you know, you can do that for your audience, you know, however you guys set it up.
But listen to the whole thing.
And what my larger point was, because I didn't say those, you know, those things, but my larger point was, is, could this happen again in the history of, in recent history?
So in the past hundred years, so this is not, this is 2023, so let's just go back to 1923.
It was the year my parents were born.
We have seen Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Edi Amin, if you want to throw him in, and other dictators.
Just those four that I mentioned, those have killed their own people to the tune of about 120 million people.
That's in a lifetime that, you know, there's still people generally alive, right?
I mean, certainly people that were born before World War II that lived through a Stalin in those eras.
So my bigger point is, could this actually happen again in the cycle of history?
Are there people out there that would actually do that again to their own societies?
And we see it around the world right now.
I mean, what we're talking about in Ukraine, we're talking about in other parts of the world.
I mean, the ultimate power is power over people, right?
It's power and control over the citizens that you have.
And that's why we fought a revolutionary war, right?
You know, they say absolute power is absolute.
So I understand what you're saying.
And whether it's Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Pol Pot.
But what I'm trying to understand is, okay, all bad guys, you would agree.
Hitler, Stalin, Mao, right?
You know, at the same time, you're saying we shouldn't do anything to stop the war in Ukraine or do anything to stop Putin.
So where does that sort of cognitive dissident?
That's not what I'm saying.
Well, let him answer.
Yeah, I mean, first of all, go back and find anywhere where President Biden said these are the three vital national security interests of our country, why we must be there.
And if you can find them, send them to me and I'll read them and then I'll determine in my own mind it's okay.
So they make sense to me.
I can't find them.
I can't find anywhere where the leader of the United States of America said, this is why we must be there, you know, boom, boom, boom.
And we're going to do it because it is going to destroy our country.
Okay?
I mean, we already are being destroyed.
We're being destroyed internally.
Our house is on fire.
Every room is on fire.
You know, it's not just a grease fire on the stove.
We got every room in our house on fire.
And yet we're going to just continue to pour money.
So let's just put that aside.
Never mind Putin and who Putin is or what he represents.
He's a communist.
And that's an ideology that is an anti to us.
This country right now, if we don't get our own act in order, if we don't fix some of the things that we're going to face, and not to reduce the debt and all this crap that politicians talk about, I'm not sure that's attainable.
But if we don't get our own house in order and we correct the massive deficiencies that we have in our own streets right now, and we have particularly the invasion, I call it an invasion, right?
I mean, down on the southern border, then we're not going to have a country.
We're not.
I mean, you can't say defund the police and then say that you're fighting the war on crime and the war on drugs.
Those two don't match, right?
But that's a phrase that comes out of the left.
Well, General Flynn, I fully appreciate what you're saying.
100% agree.
Everyone on the panel agrees with you.
But you've also said very poignantly that the president or whoever's running the country needs to juggle multiple balls at the same time.
Yes.
So unless you're a complete libertarian like Ron Johnson, who doesn't want to be a non-interventionalist and get into anything.
Ron Johnson or Paul, Ron Paul?
Ron Paul or both of them.
That ran into that.
The question is, what level of involvement should we have internationally?
Do we get involved in anything outside of domestic borders?
Yes.
I mean, there are times, and you'd be shocked at how much money we give to countries around the world.
I mean, you'd be shocked.
It's called funds, different types of funds, P1 to P6 type funds.
I mean, these are functions of our government.
And you'd be shocked at how much money we give to countries that really are aligned against us.
But, yeah, there are times when it is necessary.
There are times when it is necessary.
I mean, the war in Afghanistan lasted way too long to go and do something there was probably necessary, but then we stayed there too long.
The war in Iraq was totally unnecessary.
It was based on ego and a lie instead of the truth.
WMDs.
And what we now know.
So, I mean, I think that there's times if it's okay if it's my wife tell her I'm on the way.
But you know what I'm saying?
So there are moments in history where you say, this is such this is going to destroy our country.
And what's destroying our country right now are things that are happening right here at home.
What do we do about Taiwan?
I don't know.
It's 1125.
Yeah.
11.35.
You know, maximizing our.
No, I like it.
I like it.
This was, I can talk for another couple hours because I got 50 other questions.
So maybe we're going to have to do this another time with a three-hour one instead of a two-hour one.
But we appreciate you for coming out.
Once again, thank you for your service.
One of the things you'll realize about our style is it doesn't matter whether we agree with you or we disagree with you.
There's going to be moments where you think we disagree with you.
We want to kind of push back with everybody.
That's kind of our MO in our family as Middle Easterns.
I don't know if you've ever been to a wedding at a Middle Eastern house.
I have.
If you come to our house and you watch me and my dad talk, you would think we are fighting when we speak in Assyrian.
But we're just having a regular conversation and we have many different things that we like to debate and discuss.
But what I do want to do is we're going to put the link below to General Flynn's book here: Introduction to 5GW: The Citizen's Guide to Fifth Generation Warfare.
Thank you.
The link to both of them will be below.
I suggest you order both of them: the 5GW as well as the AI.
And again, Rob, if you can put that in the description and in the chat, that would be wonderful.
Direct link to the book.
We know a lot of you that are watching this, you're big, big supporters of what the general talks about.
And the best way to show support is to make sure you go order his book, read it, and share it with others.
And I don't think we have another podcast going on this weekend because we're going to be at the vault.
For those of you guys that are going to the vault or you're watching this, some of you guys that are going to be at the CEO session, can't wait to spend the time with you guys tonight.
And then tomorrow, the craziness starts.
But again, General Flynn, thank you, sir, for coming out.
