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Okay, so we got a special podcast for you here today.
It's not often you have two Michaels, two Mike's podcasts.
Two heavyweights in their own space.
One, the great Michael Francis, the other, the great Mike Tyson.
But to start off, because we like building anticipation, we're going to start off with Michael Francis first, and then Mike is going to work his way in here in a minute.
But Michael, it's great to have you on the podcast.
Good.
I'm the opener today.
You're the opener today.
Always good to be back.
Michael, how many times have we done stuff together at this point?
A lot.
Yeah, I can't keep counting.
The other day, a guy was asking a question.
He says, oh, you know, how did you and Michael get connected?
I said, man, it was not supposed to even happen because I was running late from Jordan Belforce's house, and he was gracious enough to wait.
And we went to his house.
He was so pissed off, he didn't even put shoes on.
It was in his socks.
And it was the most commented thing about Michael's socks.
Look at Michael's power play not wearing any shoes.
I still hear about that.
People ask me, was Patrick disrespectful when he came to your house?
He didn't take his shoes off.
But it's exciting to have you on.
Obviously, we got some things to talk about with you and Mike, a big project you guys are working on, Champions Corner.
We'll get into that when he gets here.
I'm excited to learn more about that.
But Michael, a lot's been happening since the last time you and I spoke on a live podcast.
We've spoken, obviously, about different kinds of issues.
One of the things I want to just, with the time that we have here before we get Mike here, what are your thoughts about what happened with Tucker?
What happened with Fox?
You know, his next move, you know, Fox's mistake.
Is there stuff that we're not thinking about?
What are some things you saw when that announcement was made?
Well, I really think Tucker was blindsided.
I mean, we, you know, we chatted a little bit back and forth.
He didn't know what was going to happen.
But, you know, Patrick, it just seems today that you can't say anything that's going to offend anybody in any way.
You know, the news is not what the news was before.
I mean, everything is about opinions and who you're going to, you know, offend or not offend.
And, you know, I mean, I think it was crazy, you know, to take a guy like that off the air.
I mean, who had such a huge following?
I mean, honestly, it doesn't affect him.
He can go anywhere he wants, as you know.
But I couldn't believe it.
I can't believe on a whole what's going on.
It's unbelievable.
Yeah.
Really?
He's a once-in-a-generation type of a guy.
Yeah.
You've been around the block for a while.
So you've watched, who was it before Rush, by the way?
Was there a Rush before Rush?
I don't believe so.
Okay, so let's just say Rush.
Let's go Rush, O'Reilly, Beck, Megan, Tucker.
When you look at all these names, especially on the conservative side, where do you rank Tucker amongst those five?
Oh my God, he's right up on top now.
I mean, really.
You put him ahead of Rush?
Well, Rush is like an institution.
You know, he's been around so long.
I mean, you know what?
I was in jail when I first started here.
I didn't know who he was, but I started listening to him and I started to realize, you know, I was always a Democrat.
Mob guys are always Democrats.
And the reason is because they were easier to corrupt.
So, you know, we were all with Democrats.
Why are they so much easier to corrupt?
They just were.
Willing to take more money?
Yeah, they just were.
They have no backbone.
What is it?
You know, I can't explain it because we didn't get involved with Republicans.
They were all Democrats in New York, and we got involved with them.
But I'm in the hole, and I'm listening to Rush Limbaugh, and I'm saying, you know what?
I think I'm a conservative because I agree with a lot of the things this guy is saying.
And that's how I became, that's when I realized I was conservative.
It was from Rush.
So Rush, so you put Rush slightly ahead of Tucker.
I think so, because he was around so long.
And what he built is unbelievable, really.
And his style was what?
Was rowdy.
He would call everybody out.
He was, was he the intellectual guy as well as the history guy, as well as the call-out troll, you know, the showman?
What made him special?
What made Rush rush?
Honestly, yeah.
I mean, he was honest.
You know, whatever he said, whatever he felt, he said.
And I thought he was brilliant, very, very smart guy, very well-read.
He knew exactly what he was talking about.
He called him, what did he call himself?
Like he was Einstein, you know, brain from God or something.
But just his whole style.
I mean, he was great.
And, you know, Patrick, when somebody is so good for so long, you got to give him a lot of credit.
He was great.
He was the guy that started all this.
Back to the Tucker situation.
You know, we had that conversation, that sit-down, some may call it, last Thursday.
And some people basically believed that Tucker was sort of fired as a byproduct of the Dominion lawsuit where they wanted a head.
They wanted a scapegoat to see, all right, we got the money, but we also got this.
How much do you think that was factored into Tucker's situation?
I think that was part of it.
But I heard, you know, he was not that he intentionally did it, but in the way he spoke, he offended Murdoch in a big way.
Some of the things that he said, you know, about some of the people there.
I heard he gave a speech, you know, at a college a couple of days before.
Heritage.
Yeah, at Heritage.
And it was very offensive according to, you know, the people at Fox.
So it was a couple of things.
And, you know, I think Fox thinks, hey, we let Megan go, we survived.
We let Riley go.
O'Reilly, we survived.
So I think maybe they thought, you know, they're going to survive again.
I don't know how you replace Tucker.
Michael J.
To kind of maybe use honestly a mafia analogy here.
Murdoch's the boss.
Yeah.
That's the, that's El Jefe.
You know, to use a mafia analogy, like, should, should a flag carrier, a talking head, ever offend the boss?
Like, what's the, you know, if you can make some synergy into this situation.
Well, on the street, you don't do that.
You just don't do that.
You know, that's dangerous.
Right.
But, you know, you're talking about corporate America.
It shouldn't be like that.
And he didn't do this to offend the boss.
He just spoke what he felt to be true.
You know, I mean, I found him to be very honest.
You spent time with Tucker?
No, I have not.
Oh, you haven't?
Okay.
He's very genuine, very, very honest.
And he says what he feels.
And I think he really cares.
He really does.
Because we talked off camera about certain things.
And he, you know, didn't mean to be offensive.
He just spoke his piece.
That was it.
I mean, I don't know.
You know, if the guy is the guy at the top of the company you're at that you're paying, nine out of ten times, you're going to have problems if you're going to do it that way.
To me, the way to do it is to do it to his face, not behind.
Like anytime I've had issues with the guy that I am working for, right?
I've had bosses in my life.
I always had an issue at one time with this one lady I was working with.
She was about to make a very bad decision, terrible decision.
And it had to do with one of our friends.
You met him before, you know, who lived in France for seven years, who has a great accent, and you've spent a lot of time with him.
He likes to walk around with no clothes on.
He likes that gentleman with no clothes on.
So one day, I get a war that he's about to lose a lot of money.
And she was making a decision because from the top, it was kind of being influence for her to do so.
Everybody that was working with this lady was not supportive of the decision she was about to make.
I call her up.
I said, Can I meet you guys at the house tonight at midnight?
I go to the house at midnight.
We have a two-hour conversation.
I said, Look, I'm going to give you my argument.
I think you're making a terrible decision here, but I don't want to do it in front of everybody.
I want to just kind of do it privately to you.
And hopefully, you'll receive it.
And then you do what you do with it.
So I did.
And she ended up actually not doing what she was going to do to that guy, which I got a lot of respect for the fact that she didn't do it because she was reasonable enough to receive the argument.
So to me, I think if you're going to do it, you know, I would go one-on-one.
Now, at the same time, on the flip side, we don't know the whole story.
The whole story could be Tucker's been trying to get there for a while and nobody's been listening to him.
And he's the goat of the organization.
And how do you not listen to your best guy?
If an organization has a person like that, sometimes people talk.
You don't have like, if you ever read the book Principles, Ray Dalio, you know, people would come in and they would say, we should do this in the company.
We should do that in the company.
You don't do this and you don't do that and you don't do this.
He says, there's a lot of people that want to tell you how to run a company and they haven't earned the moral authority to tell you how to run the company.
But there are certain people that have earned the right to tell you, you know, feedback on blind spots the company may have.
If there's anybody that had moral authority to give feedback to Fox, it was Tucker Carlson.
So whether it was received or not behind closed doors, it is what it is.
The guy that did it right and had a lot of issues with the owner was Michael Jordan.
Michael Jordan and Steve, you know, Jerry Krause and Jerry, Jerry Ryan, two Jerry's, you know, he had issues with.
He would always say, look, people come here to watch the players play, but we respect this and we respect that.
And look what happened with Michael.
Michael's a multi-billionaire today.
And so there's ways to handle it.
I don't know the whole story behind closed doors, but if you're going to think you're going to find a once-in-a-generation type of guy like Tucker, it's going to be hard to find a guy like that.
But here's the deal.
In mainstream media, who would you consider as the Yankees when it comes onto politics?
CNN.
You put CNN as Yankees over Fox?
I mean, if you go to any airport, any mainstream outlet, they're going to have CNN on.
That's more affiliation, right?
That's not talking numbers.
You're going to put Fox, right?
Okay.
Who's the most hated organization in Major League Baseball?
The Yankees.
Who's the most hated NFL organization?
Cowboys.
Cowboys.
Who's the most hated in the NBA?
You can go on this right.
These are institutions you want to play for.
And at times, Jim Buss made some stupid decisions at times.
Remember when they had Steve Nash and Dwight Howard and all this?
I don't know if you remember what that's going to be.
Yeah, of course, the Lakers.
Yeah.
So, you know, are the Yankees going to come back and find somebody?
They probably will.
Is the audience going to come back, the audience that they lost?
We don't know.
There's an audience that's 65 plus that's maybe not going to convert to YouTube.
Maybe not going to convert to Spotify.
You don't know that.
Those people are wanting to come home and just go like this.
They don't want to come home and go on YouTube, boom, stream to the computer, boom.
They want to just be like, go to Fox, go to CNN.
To that audience, that audience may be lost.
To the audience that's going to come and go find him, like people like us, we're going to go find him no matter where the guy goes.
But the 65 plus, I don't know if they want to take three steps to go listen to the person.
I think they want one step.
What are you saying the future of Fox looks like at this point?
I mean, if they lost their MJ, if they lost their COVID.
They're going to need somebody.
Listen, Michael said it best.
He says, no player is bigger than the NBA.
And he was right.
And let me ask you, you think, you know, Murdoch is at a point in time where, you know, economically, he doesn't need anything.
He's an older guy.
Does he really care?
So his audience dropped.
Like you said, he figures out.
Somebody will come.
He'll replace it.
This is the cycle.
This is how it goes.
Yeah, here's the only difference, though.
This is the only thing where I think is problematic with this versus the NBA.
Okay.
So in the NBA, what changes?
Styles change?
You know, like defense, like Frank Volcker was a defensive coach, let's just say.
Dan Tony was a what? Offensive coach.
We're going to score 138 points with Nash Kobe and them.
Okay.
So anyways, you kind of put these things where styles that play, right?
But when it comes down to media, when Jerry Springer, who's a former mayor of Cincinnati, is doing his shows, the number one showing on TV.
He says, I want to start talking about serious issues.
His producer says, what are you talking about?
That's not you, man.
You're supposed to entertain.
I want to start talking about serious issues.
So for a minute, they allowed him to talk about serious issues.
You know what happened to his viewers?
They disappeared.
Because his viewers don't want to talk about serious issues.
They want to laugh.
They want to be like, oh, my God, did you see that guy?
There's no way this guy got, it's not his baby.
They want to see that.
They want to see drama, right?
Okay.
So Fox, with the two new sons, the two sons, not new, they've been around for a minute, but the two sons, new owners, if they decide to change philosophically to go get an eyeball, they'll get destroyed.
That's a completely different strategy.
That's got nothing to do with Tucker Carlson.
If you try to, you know, like look at Elon.
Elon brings this girl from.
Yeah, where'd that come from?
Yeah.
So the audience that was all Elon, all Twitter is now like, wait a minute, I thought it wasn't about advertising.
I thought it was about subscription.
Why are you bringing somebody that was a leader, you know, that was sitting on the, you know, World Economic Forum and she said this about BlackRock and she said this about, you know, ESG and NBC and fake news isn't real.
It's the younger audience that thinks it's fake because they consume podcasts.
The real fake, the people that watch real media, they know it's not real fake news.
I mean, you bring somebody like that.
That's a philosophical hire that some people are confused with right now.
How it ends up turning out, nobody knows.
No one knows what's going to happen with Fox and Tucker.
We're going to learn within three years who made the right decision.
Tucker wins, great.
Fox wins, great.
Everyone moves on.
But it's going to take about two to three years.
I also think we should, we'd be remiss if we didn't bring up the number one power player in media who runs Fox.
It's not necessarily the Murdoch.
It's Suzanne Scott, right?
What do you think her role is in all this?
I know you've studied her a little bit.
Me, I'm not really familiar with that.
No, Pat, I'm saying her role in what?
And everything.
I mean, she's got to be a, she's at the seat of the board.
She's the CEO of Fox News.
She's not the member of the board.
I don't know who she is.
All I know is the people I've spoken to and what they've said about her.
She's, you know, based on what I'm hearing, she's not the nicest person to work with.
And she's tough to work with.
And, you know, sometimes how certain people, you know, don't get the eyeballs, but they think the organization is winning because of them.
She's exactly the GM of the Chicago Bulls.
Jerry Krause.
That's her.
She's Jerry Kraus.
That's the feeling you get because she has a Michael that she can't keep happy.
Yeah.
Okay.
So people like that make it tough to, but at the same time, listen, when they were making a promotion, apparently they needed somebody to be women to be in a position like that and they chose to go with her.
Some people told me said she's not as good of a leader.
They just kind of did it as a publicity stunt because of all the Me Too movement stuff.
There's so many different stories.
Look, at the end of the day, if she's number one on Media, there's a reason for it, right?
This girl that was interviewing, what do you call it, Trump, Caitlin?
Caitlin.
Caitlin Collins.
Right, Caitlin Collins.
Lover, hater, guess what?
She got a couple billion views.
For the rest of her life, those videos are going to be shown with her standing next to Trump.
Oh, yeah.
A 31-year-old girl.
You can say whatever you want to say about her.
I'm not necessarily a fan of hers, but I think for her, that's going to stick around forever.
Now, did he punk her?
Yes.
Did he troll her?
Yes.
Did the audience turn against her?
Yes.
Did Trump pretty much get everything he wanted out of this?
Yes.
But is a 31-year-old still sitting there debating with a president and getting her score to go up?
Sure.
She's seen that increased her value.
That at least doubled what she's worth.
Whether people, if she was making two million, now she's worth four.
If she was making three, she's a six or not.
Because that's how this thing works.
How many eyeballs do you get, right?
No doubt.
Do you agree?
Yeah, totally agree.
We talked about the winners and the losers from the Trump town hall, and we said that Trump was the big winner because he went into enemy territory and held his own and showed that he still has it.
CNN, Chris Licht, you know, he's taking a lot of heat, but I think they were a big winner from there basically showing that they can host Trump.
But I think at the end of the day, she was a massive winner from all this.
She was not a household name prior to this.
She would host the morning show.
I think she actually worked for Tucker and for Fox at one point.
And now we're talking about her.
So she's clearly the new superstar on CNN.
And they just gave her Don Lemon's old time slot.
So that she's on at 8 p.m. That was announced that they were going to offer her the time slot immediately following the town hall with Trump.
There you go.
But by the way, good for CNN.
I actually think, I'm telling you, I think Chris Licht is doing certain things right.
I know he's not getting enough credit.
I think there's certain things he's doing where he's showing signs of being a capitalist and actually doing his job instead of being a succumbing to whatever the whims of ESG, all this stuff.
I think there's certain things Chris is doing right.
Michael, I got a question for you.
So you know how, I mean, Mike's going to be here in a minute, so we'll maybe transition into this topic as well.
In every space, there is the power players that you see that you know of on TV, right?
And then there's power players you don't see that the people you think are power players know who the real power player is, right?
It's kind of like the movie American Gangster.
Hey, it's this guy, it's that guy.
Now it's really Frank Lucas, right?
Is the real power player behind closed doors?
Hey, you know, you look at it's really now it's really this guy that's falling all this stuff from Columbia.
Hey, in the mob world, it's really this.
Was there ever a person that the street thought was the power player, but behind closed doors in the mob, the person that really held it all together that everybody feared was XYZ?
Was that that person in your world?
Yes.
Who was that person?
That was Chin Giganti.
Chin was.
Yes.
Okay.
Got it.
Everybody thought it was Tony Salerno who was the boss, but it was really Chin.
He was the power in all of New York at that time.
And you think there are chins in every space?
I think so.
Yeah, I do.
Absolutely.
That we don't know about.
That we don't know about.
You think there's a chin to Murdoch?
Well, you know, that's kind of tough.
I mean, who's going to tell him what to do?
You know, I don't know about that, really.
The older Murdoch?
Not the young, not the young ones.
Yeah.
You think there's a chin to Soros?
Or you think Soros is Chin?
I think Soros is Chin.
But he's the difference with Chin, Chin didn't want anybody to know who he was.
Soros is out there.
I mean, what this guy does.
No, I don't think there's anybody pulling the strings on him.
I think he's the guy.
Got it.
So no one's pulling the soul.
Who is the chin of the right?
God.
Who's the Soros of the right?
That's hard to say, Patrick.
Really?
Who do you think it is?
Who's the Chin of the Right?
I mean, Soros is out there.
You know it.
You see his impact he's having on this country.
I don't know.
If you talk about from a financial standpoint, you could argue that the Koch brothers were there before Sheldon Adelson passed away, possibly him.
I mean, these guys were given multi-millions, if not billions, of dollars.
Now, this is what.
What Musk said about Soros yesterday.
He said, Soros reminds me of Magneto.
Okay.
And then Brian responds back.
If you can put Show more, because he goes into it pretty, and then Elon responds back again.
He says, fun fact, Magneto's experiences during the Holocaust as a survivor shaped his perspective as well as his depth and empathy.
Soros, also a Holocaust survivor, gets attacked non-stop for his good intentions, which some Americans think are bad merely because they disagree with his political affiliation.
And look at what Musk responds back with.
You assume they are good intentions.
They are not.
He wants to erode the very fabric of civilization.
Soros hates humanity.
Anyways, they go back and forth on how he views Soros.
Yeah, I'd be curious to know who the current Soros is on the right.
Yeah, but you know, you see the impact of Soros.
You know, I think it was 2010 when something happened to the Supreme Court.
He didn't get a good decision.
And he publicly stated, he said, it's going to be my mission to destroy America.
He said it.
He said it publicly.
And you can see his influence all over the country.
He is destroying America.
He's taking a big part in that.
I don't see that on the right.
I don't see, even the Koch brothers, okay, financially they got, but what is their influence?
What are they doing that you can see that's so influential?
I don't see it.
I don't see that on the right.
On the left, you can see it.
I think without a doubt, the Chin, to use an example, is by far and away Donald Trump at this point.
And he's pulling all the strings on the right.
I'm not saying behind the scenes.
I'm saying in front of the camera, MAGA, making the moves that you don't think that Donald Trump controls the right these days?
No.
You don't think so?
No.
No, because the DNA of a Chin isn't, they're never on camera.
So you're saying behind the scenes who's on the street?
I'll tell you how I learned.
At least that's what I think.
Patrick, when I was in the gas business, I had, you know, when you're making that kind of money on the street, everybody starts looking at you.
And I had a little trouble with my boss, Wood Persigo, at the time.
And it was kind of known.
Nothing big, but it was brewing, right?
Well, the Chin sends for me.
I'd never met him, but he sends for me.
And I go see him.
We're walking on Houston Street, messed up hair, bathrobe, exactly like, you know, they portrayed him.
And we're walking up and down.
And he said, you know, I got all respect for your father.
And somebody introduced me to him that spoke very well about me.
And he said, I heard you're having some trouble with Persigo.
Persigo is a boss at the Colombos.
I said, well, Chin, it's okay.
He said, if you got a problem, is you come over here and you be a captain with me.
Now I'm saying to myself, that's the boss of a family he's talking about.
And I said, well, you know, it's Junior.
He said, did you hear what I said?
I said, anytime you want, you leave there, you come over here, you're a captain in my family.
And the way he said it to me, I said, that's when I realized this guy really is the power.
No doubt.
Yeah.
I think every industry has a chin.
And I think the best chins don't want you to know who the chin is.
The ultimate chin right now in the world is who?
Who's the ultimate Chin?
Klav Schwab, maybe?
Actually, if you think about the ultimate chin, and I know this is going to be, what are you talking about?
The ultimate chimp, not the ultimate shin.
He's not the ultimate shim I'm about to talk about.
But the ultimate way of being a chin today is the founder of Bitcoin, Satoshi Nokomo.
Nobody has a clue who he is.
But he's pulling the strings.
It's a DNA of somebody that you don't know what the, you know, he just kind of dances and things are getting done.
He's the last phone call people make.
Well, do you see that person on the right?
I speculate a couple names, but I don't see somebody today.
And I think, quite frankly, I think that's not really good.
I don't think it's really good because I think the right chin is also able to be a synergist and keep people together.
Because you think about what Soros is doing.
Soros is helping the left.
I was going to say, I wish we had one on the right.
I think Soros is helping the left.
I think you saw what happened with Musk yesterday, with the story that came out.
Did you see the story that came out with Musk yesterday?
Right after he hires the NBC Universal lady, Linda, I have a hard time saying her last name, Yakari no, Yakario, Sarino, something like that.
This report comes out, documents subpoenaed in Jeffrey Epstein's lawsuit by U.S. Virgin Islands, J.P. Morgan Chase, et cetera, et cetera, Tesla, Alphabet, all these guys.
You know, the U.S. Virgin Islands has subpoenaed Tesla, C. Obama documents and laws are killed on J.P. Morgan Chase, helping sexual, I mean, Jeffrey Epstein.
See, to me now, this right here, this is when you know you're not Chin.
Musk is not Chin.
No, they want to ignore all the names on the left that are associated with Epstein.
But now immediately they go after the Musk.
Yeah, they want to, I don't know, man.
It's those weird phone calls that you get, you know, the whole weird phone calls you get where they say, hey, just so you know, I have XYZ on you.
Okay.
I have this on you.
Don't forget, we have access to your computer and we know what you watch.
We know your search engine.
We know what you look at on your phone.
Remember that one time your phone crashed?
It wasn't that your phone crashed.
We got into your phone.
We've been monitoring everybody you've been texting with, everybody you've been DMing with, all the pictures you've sent, a couple Brett Fartap attacks you've sent.
We have access to all your Brett Fartappa texts.
You know, we have these videos.
We have that.
And then all of a sudden he's like, what?
Yes.
Kind of like J. Edgar Hoover type of stuff.
When the mob, you guys went up to him and, hey, here's what we have on you with this cross-dresser.
I don't know.
I think the left has a chin.
I don't think the right has a chin.
And if they do have a chin, we definitely don't know who that chin is.
He's not a good one.
Well, speaking of the left having a chin, a lot of people firmly, firmly, firmly believe that Barack Obama is running this country, right?
A lot of people think that he's the shadow president right now.
you disagree do you i don't i mean to be honest with you i wouldn't mind him maybe being in a decision room and biden making a phone call to him versus biden just kind of sleepwalking through these decisions I don't know.
Would you have a problem with Barack Obama being in the room, so to speak?
Did you see the Durham report yesterday?
Did you see who was in it?
Tell me.
You didn't see the report.
You didn't see the different direction this podcast about.
We were here about to talk about some friendly stuff, and you decide to take it this direction.
Listen, this is what we do.
Shame on you, Adam.
We're supposed to talk about who's the greatest boxer of all time.
We were supposed to talk about.
He's on his way.
I like that.
Michael, I think you were going to say something.
Well, you see what came out in the report that Obama knew what was, he was briefed on everything that was going on in the whole Mueller investigation.
He was briefed.
He knew that Hillary Clinton set it up.
He knew everything and lied about it.
Well, you know, what's new?
They all lie, but I mean, he disappeared.
He lied while he was out of office.
No, no, Trump, he wasn't in office.
No, he was in office.
Okay.
Yes, he was in office.
Let me tell you something.
Obama, the disappointing thing for me about, I met Obama on a beach in Hawaii.
I didn't even know who he was.
I had seen him at the Democratic convention.
He gave a brilliant speech, crushed it, amazing.
And so I walked up to him.
You know, we were talking on the beach.
This was before, you know, he was thinking about being a candidate.
Nice guy.
I said, wow.
I would have actually, I couldn't vote because I was a felon, but I would have voted for him.
That's how inspired I was by that speech.
And I said, you know what?
This guy has got a chance to really unite this country.
A lot of divisiveness here.
First black president, great.
He was a total failure in that regard.
He divided this country more than anybody up to that point, I believe.
You know, I really do.
And it was a total disappointment.
And look, they're all this, so many of them are dishonest, but is he running the party?
I don't know about that.
I don't know.
I mean, I think he still has influence.
But I also know from what you hear and from what I was told that him and Biden don't get along.
He didn't like Biden.
Really?
Yeah.
He didn't like him.
This is what I heard.
And, you know, there's a part of me that kind of, based on what Michael just said right now, is if you're, if you're Obama, do you want Biden to run again?
I don't know.
Let's just say you are running things.
You want him to run again?
Do you?
You want somebody else to run?
Yeah, you know, I don't think Obama, even Obama, wouldn't want Biden in that.
I mean, Patrick, this guy, let me ask you a question.
In your wildest imagination, did you ever believe that this country could deteriorate so quickly in two years under anybody?
I mean, in my opinion.
Well, I mean, listen, the GOAT was Jimmy Carter, right?
And he eclipsed the COTE.
I never thought that was going to happen.
I'm in America because of the GOAT, Jimmy Carter.
You know, Jimmy Carter, what they did to Iran, Kissinger himself, it was a mess, right?
You know, the whole economic hitman throwing a country, its people against its ruler, its leader, without there being a real reason the country had advanced the way it has for decades.
More freedom for women.
You know, they had a say, they had a voice.
Marriage went from being eight years old, 13 years old, 15 years old.
It was more becoming like, you know, and then boom.
Carter comes and does what he does there.
And then U.S. is in shambles, interest rates, you know, gas prices, oil.
And then you thought nobody was going to do it worse than him.
Then shows a guy named Joe, which by the way, if you listen to Joe's talks 20 years ago, 30 years ago, you're like, this guy is funny.
He's charming.
He's charismatic.
I actually liked listening to the way he would speak in the 80s, 90s.
Now, don't get me wrong, of course, I'm aware of all the speeches that he literally replicated or duplicated exact words that were said by this person or that person or this person from various countries, not even in the U.S.
But you're like, this guy's actually sane.
You can represent right today, seeing what's going on with weaponization, with the economy, with the way things are being handled.
It's a little weird.
It's a little weird.
We're going to see what's going to happen.
For you, are you more at a time like this?
You're seeing DeSantis coming out with different things he's doing.
Rumor has it he's about to announce that he's going to be running in announcing in the next, I don't know, week, two weeks, you know, three weeks.
It's been said, it's been a couple of weeks for a minute, but let's just say in the first week of June or the last week of May, he'll announce.
What are your thoughts right now, DeSantis Trump?
Where are you at with that?
Has anything changed?
Listen, here's what I say.
And you know, I got to, people sometimes knock me because, you know, my whole thing, I talk about mob stuff.
Michael, don't get into politics.
And what I try to tell people, this is not politics.
These are issues that are affecting your life.
The way politicians are dealing with it, they're creating these issues.
But these are issues that are affecting, you know, our lives, our very lives.
So I try to tell people it's not politics.
I'm interested in the future of this country, my kids, my grandchildren.
This is issues that we need to talk about.
So when you look at Biden in that regard, I just can't believe the damage that he's done to this country and continues.
And look, if he was a good Democrat, hey, great.
You know, he's doing the right thing.
So getting back to Trump and DeSantis, I love DeSantis.
I got to say, I love what he's doing.
I love his boldness.
I think all his moves were right.
And when Trump was in office, I thought his policies were great, his policies.
I thought he didn't act presidential in so many ways, getting on Twitter and doing things.
I really believe, Patrick, and forget the conspiracy theories about the fraud and the election.
If he would have a year before all of this, he would have said, you know what?
I'm not going to argue with Nancy Pelosi.
I'm not going to do this.
I'm not going to stoop to that level.
I'm worried about the people in this country.
I'm going to continue to do the right thing for the country and get rid of all that other stuff that he did, all that pettiness, all that divisiveness.
That's what killed him.
I understand he's a New Yorker.
He fights back.
In his defense, I've never seen anybody get attacked like that every single day of his life, getting boom, boom.
I've never seen anything like it.
And, you know, to his credit, he stood up to it.
He didn't fold and he didn't go under the pressure.
But the way he reacted, it was so divisive.
And people have had enough.
Even now, you know, the one thing about him on the CNN deal, he acted more president.
He tried to stay on the issues.
I said, wow, maybe this, you know, the light went off in his head.
Maybe he's starting to realize.
Forget all this other nonsense.
Tell people what they need to hear, what they want to hear.
How you're going to fix what's wrong in this country.
Because that's what people are starving to hear.
Look, you know, they can say whatever they say.
You know, I believe the southern border.
I mean, look, you got to be on drugs not to realize what's going on.
He's bringing all these people in here.
He's going to hope in some way he gives them a path to citizenship so they can vote or at least vote.
And they want to be in power forever.
That's it.
That's it.
That's the total plan.
They're not humanitarians.
They don't care about these people coming in.
That's got to be the plan.
And for people not to see that, I don't get it.
I really don't, Patrick.
So, you know, Trump DeSantis, okay, if Trump were back in office, his policies would be good.
I think he would do the right thing again.
I really believe that he cares about this country.
I mean, that's what I see in him.
Aside from all the other clutter that's around him, he cares about this country.
But I don't know if we can take that again.
I don't know if we can take him in office again.
So you would rather see DeSantis over Trump?
You know, because I think DeSantis, his policies will be just as good.
He'll do the right thing and maybe less stuff that we have to listen to.
Unless the right, I mean, the left goes after him in the same way.
I don't know.
He doesn't have that kind of baggage, it seems, that he can be attacked like Trump was.
I think Michael brings up a really good point about maybe the difference between Trump and DeSantis.
You know, a wise man once said, choose your enemies wisely.
That would be a great book title.
Yeah, it'd be a great book title coming out soon.
And I think Trump's problem was, I think Michael's absolutely right.
He was attacked viciously by the left.
And some of it was warranted.
Some of it was unwarranted.
Some of it was Trump derangement syndrome.
The problem with Trump is everyone was his enemy.
Like, you know how they say, don't punch down, punch up, right?
He would pick a fight with everybody.
Like, no matter what, he would punch them 10 times harder.
And 99% of the time, he should not even respond to some of these Twitter folks or just any just media outlet, anything.
Just don't even give them the time of day.
But he would.
And he would engage in these little battles with people that were completely beneath him.
Whereas DeSantis, maybe he had a little preview of that book that might be coming out soon.
And he's choosing his enemies very wisely, whether it's Disney, whether it's the woke.
Florida is where woke comes to die, whether it's the abortion issue.
He's picking and choosing his battles.
But I loved his one response when Trump was banging on him and somebody said, what do you think about Trump banging on him?
He says, I'm not a candidate.
That was it.
Just perfect.
Correct.
He's living to the fullest what we're talking about right now.
He knows that it doesn't make sense at this point to start engaging in a battle with Trump yet.
At some point, he's going to probably have to step up to the podium to do that.
Hopefully he'll do it intelligently and he won't get into the real dirt the way Trump does.
I mean, that's not good for anybody.
It wears you out.
It wears you out.
Was that your biggest problem with Trump?
Not the policies.
It was just the personality and then going down that rabbit hole of nonsensical stuff.
I cannot believe some of the criticisms that people have about Trump.
And I tell him, listen, in a way, president, it is a personality contest.
You want to see somebody that's charismatic and has a personality.
But it's really about his policies and how he deals with America.
And I used to, it's not personal.
I'm not going to have Trump go out with my daughter.
I don't invite him over for dinner.
But his policies were good for America.
So what else are you looking at?
What do you care about what he did in his personal life?
I mean, yeah, you know, now, I mean, you know, CNN, you know, some of the criticism of him, well, he's, you know, he's a sexual abuser and he's this, he's that.
How could you have him on television?
Well, he's running for president.
What do you mean?
You know, that's when you realize, is CNN really a news organization anymore?
Because the people within CNN are knocking him.
Meanwhile, they had the highest ratings they had in how long?
Why wouldn't you put them on the air?
You know who's calling Trump's camp right now?
MSNBC.
Saying, hey, and then NBC from the top is saying, you guys better not do this.
This is not worth it.
Don't give him the eyeballs.
MSNBC is like, shit, we need some ratings.
Bring that guy here.
And then you know who's probably going to end up being last.
It's going to be Fox.
Fox is going to end up being last on a town hall.
He's going to do a town hall with everybody.
Look how he works.
Look how he works.
These are the things that you have to give credit to.
Fox doesn't want to do a town hall.
He says, no problem.
Who's your number one enemy?
CNN.
I'm going to go do a town hall with them.
Then MSNBC, then you're going to call me and say, why are we not doing a town hall?
Because all the Fox viewers are going to ask you, how come you're not doing a town hall?
Your fans, your viewers who pay you the money are going to force you to do a town hall and it's going to be on my terms.
So I'll be patient.
In the next six months, you'll host a town hall for me, except it's going to be on my terms.
This is the kind of stuff that you want a guy like that that's negotiating with Putin, with G, with Zelensky, with this, with that.
You want that.
You don't want somebody that's going and saying whose ice cream is better, Russia or China.
You want somebody that's wanting to really figure out ways to use power place.
The world you're in, one of the things when the first time you and I sat down, you had written a book and make you an offer.
I'll make an offer.
You can't read it.
First of all, it's every businessman.
We're not here to promote his book.
Trust me, that's not the reason for why it's here.
This is just a thing I'm telling you.
If you run a business and you're running a company, just on the side, put the link below.
Do yourself a favor.
Go buy this book.
I think after when we talked about it, we saw like 100,000 copies.
I don't know what happened.
Put the link below.
I'm telling you, if you're in business, go read this book.
I think it's only 140 pages, 150 pages.
If you go to the bottom, how many pages is it?
It's the most use.
It's the best use, 155 pages.
Do yourself a favor.
In the business world, take all the stuff that you guys did illegally, all the other stuff.
Take the murder.
Take that out.
Man, that's, you know, there's a lot of the stuff that you talk about in this book is stuff that you got to have if you're going to run for office.
The gamesmanship that the enemy is going to use against you, the manipulation the opponent is going to use against you.
How do you deal with that?
How do you manage that?
How do you work with that?
How do you still go out there and get a deal?
How do you negotiate?
How do you not go in a room without any kind of leverage to negotiate and still find a leverage?
How do you go in when you have all the leverage in the world and you can destroy the person and figure out a way to make them an ally?
How do you, there's so many different things there to use.
I think that's the part that you can't teach somebody to do.
And it seems like he's got a bit of it.
So if he does get reelected, man, it's going to be, America's going to lose their minds if he gets reelected.
Well, Patrick, let's get to something that's, to me, the most serious issue that we're facing right now.
This whole investigation with him and his family Biden and Hunter Biden.
Yes.
Let me tell you something.
I had 18 LLCs, Panamanian companies, 18 of them.
None of them had a business.
It was just a company that I needed to open up a bank account.
That was it.
Okay.
We were washing my shell companies.
Okay.
I am telling you, this is a racketeering indictment waiting to happen.
There's no question about it.
There's no function to any one of these companies.
He's fundling money through different way I did it.
100%.
Exactly the way I did it.
And with me, I'm just taking money from the government.
All right.
I'm stealing tax money.
Okay.
I went to jail for that.
But this guy is influence peddling.
What else could it be, Patrick?
When people open their eyes and just look at it, what else can it be?
Reporters have the nerve to say, well, we can't track any money that went directly to Biden.
So what?
So what did it go to him?
It went to his family.
Even if he didn't get a penny, it went to his family.
He did it to benefit the Biden family.
This is, and then, you know, I'm saying too, and people have brought this out.
You know, we got a Chinese balloon flying over the country, taking all these surveillance, you know, classified information that we have.
This guy's backing down every which way.
I mean, this is dangerous stuff for America.
Yeah, you know what's going to happen, Michael?
This is what I think is going to happen.
I think they're going to protect him until he is no longer needed.
Then he will be a useful idiot, and then they'll destroy him.
And they'll all turn on him.
And they'll all tell the stories about how bad he was and what he'll, they'll, they'll do to him what they did to Andrew Cuomo.
That's how quickly they'll flip on the guy once they cannot use him anymore.
Because right now, you know, they don't want him to run.
And he's being pundited.
Stephanie Ruhl is her name.
Is that her name?
She asked me a question.
Of course.
You know, America doesn't want you to run.
In other words, like there's no Fortune 500 company right now that's trying to recruit a CEO that's 82 years old.
That's going to be 86 at the end of their terms.
What makes you think you're qualified to do this?
Experience.
This, that.
Watch me.
Yeah, watch me.
But the point is, Democrats don't want this guy.
So if he goes against Democrats and he still runs, the moment they're able to get rid of him, whatever way they do, they're going to turn on him like this in no time.
He's not Bill Clinton.
They'll turn on in no time.
And they'll then share the stories of, yeah, well, you know, all these investigations.
Nobody knew.
And then all of a sudden the truth came out and it was, you know, somebody like this.
And, you know, same thing they did to Cuomo.
Andrew Cuomo was supposed to be the next president at one point.
Everybody in America is like, yeah, he looks more presidential than Donald Trump does.
Look at the way he does his meetings every day in New York.
And the next thing you know, no, he doesn't want to negotiate and work with us.
Throw him under the bus.
Let's replace him.
Very quickly.
Like this, it happened.
But Patrick, how far has America sunk when you have a president that basically might have sold out the country and people are protecting him from that?
The news media is protecting him from that.
You know, where do you draw the line and say, wait a second, you know, I live here.
I have kids here.
This is my home.
This guy is selling secrets to the foreign government, you know, or influence peddling.
When do you draw the line?
As America, look, you look at every major, major power, you know, throughout history.
Why were they destroyed?
Immorality?
Finances?
And the military going to hell.
And things are happening like that in this country.
You know, with these great powers, they always crumble from within first.
You know?
And I just can't understand.
Look, I was a mob guy.
Okay.
I was on the street.
I don't know guys on the street that would do what this guy is doing and what the left is doing.
I don't get it.
You know, what are they trying to accomplish?
Is it all I say, well, you know, I get it.
It's all about money and power.
They want to stay in power.
Okay, but you want to destroy the country while you're staying in power?
What power are you going to have at that point?
I don't know.
I mean, in my lifetime, I never thought I'd ever see a situation like we have right now.
Look, the FBI, I always knew they were corrupt.
But what you're seeing now, we saw in the Mueller report, you know, how they went along with all of this, how they instigated it, how they covered things up.
I always knew that.
But people would say, oh, you guys are criminals on the street.
Okay, all right.
So they pushed the envelope with us.
Okay.
You know, maybe you can justify it, even though I say this.
Whenever you give the government power and allow them to break the law in order to get the lawbreakers, it's going to turn on you at someday.
And that's exactly what's happening.
Okay, exactly what's happening.
But I never thought I would see it deteriorate to this degree.
I mean, we're in a lot of trouble.
I'm a very optimistic guy.
My wife gets crazy at me.
Don't worry about it.
No problem.
We'll fix it.
Everything's okay.
I'm pessimistic about the direction of America.
I don't know if we can be fixed at this point.
Other than the border, Michael, what do you think the biggest issues are facing the country right now?
If what you're saying is true, that you've never seen the country like this and Biden's doing the worst job you've ever seen.
The border, clearly a mess, right?
Title 42 just expired as a...
Yeah.
What else would you put in the top of the list these days?
Listen, I don't think this is a racist country.
I think they're trying to divide us in a way that I've never seen before.
This is not a racist country.
Not at all.
You know, not at all.
Huge problem.
The divisiveness in the country.
And, you know, it starts from the top and it trickles down.
And that's all you hear.
This inclusiveness.
Listen, you want the best people in office.
You don't want people in office because they're a different race or religion or creed or background.
You want the best people there to do the job.
And now, I mean, because of inclusiveness, they're trying to make America look like the League of Nations.
Okay, we agree with that.
Patrick, you know this.
You can succeed in this country no matter what.
All right, maybe some people have a little, you know, they came up the different way.
They didn't have the advantages.
They didn't have the advantages that some other people have.
But you can still overcome that in America.
This is a great country, great country.
But what they're doing here, and it's all about money and power.
They want to stay in power.
That's why I think I can't think of any other reason why he has opened up the southern border like this.
When they try to give them the ability to vote, what are they going to tell them?
Hey, you vote for Republicans.
They're sending you out of here.
You've got to stay with us.
That's it.
If Texas turns blue, you'll never see another Republican in office.
Never.
If Texas turns blue, you'll never see another Republican in office.
You got Florida?
I mean, you got New York.
You got Texas.
You got California.
Yeah, from an electoral college.
And that's what they're trying to do.
And they keep seeing a slow drip where they keep saying this is the year that Texas is turning blue.
This is the year that Texas is turning blue.
But I still think there's a five-point margin of victory, but it used to be double digits.
And I think you're absolutely right.
You lose Texas, then you never know what will happen in these elections.
I want to tell you this.
I know we're jumping around, but if this were anybody at this table or anybody else that were doing what Hunter Biden, it would have been in jail a long time ago.
It would have been over.
Done.
The evidence is there.
It's like a, you know, it's like the Republicans said the other day, I'm giving you this case on a, you know, on a silver platter.
It's all here.
You don't have to do anything.
We did it for you.
They still don't want to touch it.
This is bad stuff.
So you know what that does, though?
Remember this scene where because you'd be in jail?
You know which line I'm talking about, because you'd be in jail.
Trump and Hillary are so great that a man like you is not in the office because you'd be in jail.
Okay.
So a lot of people were thinking when he does get elected, that's going to happen.
Hillary's going to be held accountable.
Didn't happen.
And he didn't drain the swamp.
That's a bit of a criticism that he gets from some of the people that actually supported the guy.
But, you know, the next person that gets elected, one of the things is, hey, we're going to go in.
We're actually going to drain the swamp.
We're going to find out who's behind this and we're going to investigate it.
Okay.
So then there's going to come a moment where that person's close and everyone knows that guy's going to be a president.
Then he's going to get a phone call.
And he's going to say, you, as a sitting president, cannot undermine the previous president, especially investigate him.
It's going to be a very bad look for you to get re-elected.
Then they're going to somehow, someway, create other boogie men in, you know, and so forget about the real investigation.
And then four years are going to go by and then never happen.
So what are the chances that FBI will eventually investigate these guys?
They never seem to hold anybody accountable on the left.
I mean, nobody falls down for anything.
I mean, look, Hillary Clinton smashes her computer.
I mean, look, I can't tell you, you know, I've had experience with this.
You know, I had records missing and they wanted to hang me for it, you know, if they could have.
You're smashing up your phones, your computers that have, you know, information on there that can be harmful to you.
Nothing happens.
I mean, maybe she was pissed at Bill Clinton.
Maybe Bill Clinton sent a text and, you know, and Bill did something in that computer.
You know, what's her excuse going to be for destroying the computer?
I mean, actually, think about it, right?
Can you imagine the average person is like, so why'd you shatter the computer?
You know what?
It fell out of my hands.
Okay.
Why else could it be?
I was just upset at Bill because Bill did this.
The average person is going to sit there and say, what were you hiding in that thing?
And should the American people know or know?
Who knows?
Anyways, that's why we bring our political analyst, the great Mike Tyson, in the house.
How are you doing?
We're ganging him, Mike.
How are you, buddy?
Good.
Mike, you look crazy.
Come on in.
Sir.
Bill, Mike.
Adam, you want to pull up your chair?
Yes, sir.
After you, Mr. Tyson.
How are you?
Good seeing you.
Mike, if you feel like knocking anybody out, it's a guy in the green shirt.
We would all love to see.
We're allies.
I don't have to worry.
You're safe.
Big time.
You're safe.
So how was cardio?
Excuse me, you know, this and this.
Yeah, it's good.
Yeah.
Great.
So we've been talking about a lot of different things, but the idea of you guys teaming up to do something sounds very exciting.
You know, the project you guys have gone on is exciting to see.
It's called what, Champions Corner?
Yes.
You want to kind of tell the audience a little bit about it?
Well, pretty much it's going to be about, as you know, people that experience life, like me and Mike.
And we'll talk about pretty much mentorships and what mentorship meant to us and what it's going to mean to our future.
Without mentorship, pretty much you're going to be finished.
You're not going to be of any kind of use.
Without mentorship, me, myself, if I describe myself, I would describe myself as just the worst of the worst, just at the bottom of the bat.
Had no idea, I had no intentions of having a healthy, good future.
And then I met this old Italian man and they cussed their motto.
And he changed my whole way of thinking.
And if it wasn't for him, I wouldn't be here talking to you guys.
He made me believe that I was the greatest I ever lived.
Mike, who else was it outside of him?
Did you have a couple men like that in your life that played a big role?
And nobody plays the bigger role than him.
Wow.
The differentiator, it's not even close.
No, not even the fucking place.
Close.
They're not in the same race.
Wow.
He gets on the field by himself.
One of my favorite things we talked about last time was about your relationship with Cuss.
And, you know, the two of you, the reason why I'm excited about this project you guys have is because the background to go from there, you know, and to experience what you've experienced in your life, both of you.
Both of you are also in New York.
So, you know, it doesn't get rougher than the streets you guys came up to be where you are today.
Mike, how important of a role does a man, a strong man, play in a boy's life when he's trying to find himself?
Well, you know, you have to think about what perception of the strong man.
He could be a strong man in the criminalist perspective and then legal perspective.
And that could be the strongest identity that he sees.
And so he can go off in that level of crime as well.
But it's all about, and when I say that, even these people in crime, they're great men.
I won't say they're all good men, but they're great men.
And so if we could really concentrate on doing the best we can from our perspective of being a good man and transform that into other children, other young boys, that would be a start.
Michael, you're seeing right now, messages on YouTube go viral.
Where it's grown, men like Jordan Peterson talk about what it is to be a man, or even Andrew Tates talking to young boys.
There seems to be a.
You know, in every industry there's a sect of.
That industry does very well like hey, in books, young nonfiction is doing really well right now.
Really, youth non-fiction.
Yes, kids want to know more.
Okay interesting, you know.
In the denomination of religion hey, the LDS church is growing at this pace right now.
Really, why?
What are they doing?
Hey, when it comes down to content being created right now, young boys want to learn from a man with experience.
Maybe they didn't have a father figure growing up.
Why do you think that content is resonating the way it is with young boys?
Because of the fact that, you know, there's a, there's an effort to demean what a real man is today in life.
I see it that way anyhow, you know, and when people look up to a guy that presents himself like a man, then it's attractive to them.
You know look, one of the reasons Patrick, I go into prisons.
I talk to these young gangbangers, you know, and they'll say to me, come on Michael, you had the great cars.
You had the women.
You know you.
You wore the right clothing.
To them, that's what a man looks like.
So they want the image of a man, you know, a manhood.
But, you know, the problem is a lot of people today think that when you're telling a man how to be a man, that it's demeaning to a woman.
They've made that a part of society now.
Well, if you're telling this guy to be a man, that means he's going to demean women.
And I said, no, a real man is going to benefit women.
Women are going to benefit by that because he's going to treat her the right way.
You know, he's going to bring up his kids properly.
He's going to, you know, he's going to be in the community, do the right thing.
That's what a man is.
It's not, you know, being a macho guy or anything like that.
Of course, you've got to defend yourself.
A man protects his women, of course.
But, you know, there's just the idea of a man has been changed today.
It really has.
And that's what we want to teach guys.
Oh, look, a man can be sensitive.
A man can have emotion.
You know, there's nothing wrong with that.
You know how many times, look, I went to the most powerful guys you want to see.
I see them crying at a funeral.
They go to a show and they got tears in their eyes on an opera show.
I've seen that.
There's nothing wrong with that.
You're showing emotion.
And I think these young guys today are really looking for that.
You know, and they look.
They look at somebody like Mike who, let me tell you something.
You know, the way he came up and to be where he is today, it's a miracle.
It really is.
You know, under the odds that he had to face in that way.
You know, mine is different.
I didn't go through some of the things that he went.
It was different for me.
But, you know, the fact that I'm here, you know this, Patrick.
I should be dead or in prison a long time ago.
I've just been very fortunate.
You know, so we want to use these experiences to try to help people.
And that's what this is all about.
And we're going to do it.
I fully agree with what Michael's saying: there's just such a need for leadership for young men these days.
I guess my question is: it's not a zero-sum game.
Like forever, we've heard that it's the patriarchy, and this is basically has given rise to modern-day feminism.
And then you see things like the future is female, where it's like, what does that, if the future is female, what does that mean for men, right?
And then you see things like the feminism and the boss babe movement and everything with that.
It's men and women can both win, right?
I think women want a strong man in their life and men want a, you know, what's the famous phrase behind every great man, there's a strong woman.
So how can men and women win in today's society?
What do you guys think?
Well, listen, that's going to be pretty difficult.
Because when you watch television, you see it could be black, people could be white.
It's confrontation between men and women.
That's all you see on television.
That's what you see on Housewife Show.
That's just what you see.
You see this on Kevin Samuel Show.
You see this on Sometimes What's the Other Guy?
Andrew Tate.
It's confrontation.
Confrontation sells.
And we're not going to stop this confrontation.
This is going to become an era.
So we can continue to make money off of people's pain.
So whether it's Republicans and Democrats, whether it's blacks and whites, whether it's men and women, it's just going to constantly be doubling down on this against each other.
If you want to see the future of a country, look at his advertisement.
What does it advertise?
Damn.
You know what that makes me think of, right?
So about how we're the only good people.
You just made two profound comments in the last minute.
What about how the United States and I think New Zealand are the only countries that big pharma is allowed to advertise on?
So when you see the opioid endemic that's going on right now, I think Mike Tyson makes up a great point.
It's that if you want to see the future of a country, look at the advertising.
How many people are in McFront?
McFamilies now.
Look at the McFam.
Before it was taboo to make the black or Italian, the black Asian Spanish.
That was taboo.
But now it's promoting this is what it's going to be because you see the influx of different, I'm not going to immigrants coming in the country, and that's and they're showing you this is what it's going to look at, and they're preparing this.
They put it in the televisions, our movies, you know, and that's what we're preparing for.
Because people know the society knows that run the place.
American black, white, Asian, they don't take kindly to immigrants.
We just don't.
I don't know why.
Because when the Irish was here, like in the 1800s, and when the Irish came, they were called real Americans, but when the Irish came from Ireland, they crushed them.
They made them the enemy.
How can you do that?
That means if I came from Africa, they made these guys the enemy so they could take advantage of them and rob them.
So they made these guys, you know, not to have any feelings from them.
Somewhat like slaves, yeah.
That's human nature.
What other advertisements do you see on TV that are shocking to you?
Like, that's a profound statement you said.
If you want to see a future for a country, look at the advertising.
What else do you see on TV?
Well, some things I'd rather not talk about.
Okay.
You know, that, you know, it's just interesting.
You know, it's just what it is, I guess.
Mike, your kids, they go to private or public?
I have one kid that goes to public heritage here, and I have one that's online school.
Yeah, he was online.
What's your thoughts in public versus private?
In public school, you get diversity.
You get everything coming at you.
The good, the bad, the bullies, the tough guys, the geeks.
It's all just coming at you.
And you have an opportunity to choose what you're going to do.
In a private school, boom, everybody's in the same line.
Every day is the same way.
Nobody gets off the fence.
We all stay on the fence in private school.
And then public school, you're on the fence.
You get off the fence and you make mistakes.
You know, most of the private schools, they prevent them the best way possible.
We're going to make mistakes, but the best way possible, they prevent them from making mistakes and being discouraged.
Who would Mike Tyson have been if he went to private school?
Mike Tyson?
Yeah, who would he have been if he would gone to private school?
I don't know.
Not what I am now.
Not what you are now.
Yeah, it wasn't meant for me.
I probably would have been a snob if I went to private school.
Do you think so?
You think that would have been the case?
I got a little bit of that stuff in me.
I think he brings up an amazing point because I went to public school K through 10.
My last couple of years, I got a scholarship, a sports scholarship to go to private school.
But I think it was the public school mentality, the bullies, don't hang out with that guy, watch him back over here, that really shapes you who you are.
Exactly.
So I know that you're a huge advocate for private school, but you're a public school kid, 1.8 GPA.
Obviously, there's so many benefits going to private school, the network, the status, the traffic.
I do everything with that.
What are the concerns you have with private school, though, when you hear someone like Mike Tyson say, yeah, it wouldn't make me the man I am today?
I've never gone to private.
I've gone to public, right?
So to me, when you go to public, you see everything.
You see gangs, drugs, cocaine, pot, you know, the nerds, the athletes, the, you know, these guys, those guys, the valedictorian.
You see it all.
There's an advantage to it as well.
But my concern is I'm 44 today, so I went to school with.
Today, your birthday?
No, no, I'm 44 years old.
Your birthday is next month, right?
June 23rd?
June 30th.
Yeah.
So I'm a October 18th baby, 1978.
So I'm a leaver.
You're a cancer, right?
Yeah.
Cancers are beasts.
So 1996 is when I graduated.
This was the whole Tupac, you know, the only like the devastating day for me was that day.
We're in L.A. I'm going to Glendale High School.
But when I was going to high school versus what I'm seeing today, it's not the same.
Like my high school today, a bunch of people from Glendale Unified School District have messaged me.
They've created an Instagram account of what's going on right now in GUST.
Okay, how they're letting boys go into girls' bathroom and all this other stuff.
It's not the public school we went to.
There was none of that when I was in the school.
Yeah, when I went to the girls' bathroom, I got suspended.
That's what happened.
I got suspended.
Now you're being congratulated.
Which, by the way, should you be suspended?
I think so.
Yeah, listen.
I wasn't going in for no sexual gratification.
I was too young.
I was going in there to fight the girl.
She hit me in the face or something and ran in the bathroom.
Yeah, Mike said when he was younger, girls bullied him, not guys.
Yeah.
Kicked my ass, bit me.
Oh, shit.
It's because they liked you, Mike.
I bet.
But your kids being in private school today.
Well, I mean, again, for me, like, if I'm going to go on Champions Corner and I want to, you know what I want to learn?
I want to learn from their mistakes, their wisdom, their parents now.
They have the ability to go from teens to 20s to 30s to 40s to 50s.
There's different desires and temptations and things that you go through in every age.
I want to learn from it.
And by the way, how many people, like if you look at Mike Tyson's life, okay?
How many people's combined life experience equals Mike Tyson's life?
Hey, no, but listen.
Oh, man.
I'm just like you.
You don't think I'm scared of those public schools for my kids because I experienced that stuff?
You think I want somebody to throw some lie ass in my kids' face?
No, but if they didn't have that opportunity, I wouldn't want them to be in public school.
You know, if we were struggling for the money, no, I would want them to go and experience that.
You have to experience.
I wanted my kid to experience where I lived at.
I wanted to take them to Brownsville, Brooklyn, let them eat pizza.
You know, let them go to the gather.
This guy is your father.
Let them know that little kid, that's your father.
Wow, you did that.
Oh, absolutely.
What was the reaction when they saw it?
Scared to death.
Didn't want to get involved.
It was apartment.
They're pretty condemned, but with the hole in the door, someone said, I'll go ahead and peep in there.
If they didn't know, I'm not peeping in there.
I just let them look at this, man.
This is a concrete jungle, a concrete jungle.
And these guys are, wow, these guys are animals disguised as human beings.
And that's just what it is.
Mike, do you think the killer instinct concept, right?
You know, certain people have a killer instinct and you'll see them like you, you know, Celtics beat the Sixers, right?
And you've seen all the fans over there.
You're seeing all the Sixers fans.
And you're seeing who the Celtics fans are.
They're like, these guys are dogs, right?
You can tell they're tough guys, right?
New York DNA, right?
You see certain people like, there's a certain level of toughness and ruggedness and fearlessness, right, that comes from it.
Do you think the killer instinct folks in business, in politics, in sports, do you think they need a little bit of that craziness experience to go through or not necessarily in all cases?
It depends on the consequences that you're willing to accept.
What do you mean by that?
You know, by having that killer instinct, the desire, the want and want and want, there's repercussions to that.
You know, there's lawsuits.
There's people that want to ruin your career.
They might want to hurt your family.
You know, the lot of the repercussions that come with being the dog, the beast, the animal.
The universe tests you.
Did you watch the, are you into movies or no?
Do you like it?
Kind of.
Have you watched the new movie Air, the story of Michael Jordan?
They keep telling me to look like that.
You've got to watch it.
Ben Affleck, no.
I watch it.
I watch it.
Have you seen it yet or no?
I haven't seen it.
I'm coming to go win awards up the ball.
Oh, Mike, you got to watch it.
Because there's a scene in the movie where Sonny, so we took 60 of our employees here and we took 150 of our insurance agents in Dallas.
And I watched it three times in two weeks.
It's an incredible movie.
There's a scene in the movie where Sonny is sitting there talking to Michael.
Okay.
It's when Nike's making the pitch to Michael to come to us.
And Michael doesn't want to go to Nike.
He wants to go to Adidas and he wants to go to all these things.
And he's saying, Michael, I'm just going to get right into it.
He says, look, no one's going to remember us.
They're going to remember you.
He says, we're all just people in your life.
But long term, here's what's going to happen to you.
Here's what America's good at.
You're going to go up there.
You're going to win.
You're going to win a lot of championships.
You're going to win MVPs.
You're going to do this.
You're going to do that.
But then the media is going to turn on you.
There's going to be some losses.
There's going to be some setbacks.
And while he's explaining this, he shows when his dad dies in the movie.
They show when he's losing.
They show when he's in the Chicago White Sox and he's missing the ball.
They show all of these things where the idea, my dad told me this when I was 16 years old.
He says, one thing about America, you know, as an immigrant, this guy, my dad's wisdoms, you'll meet him today when we're having lunch.
You'll meet my dad.
So he said, in America, this is what they'll do.
He says, if they want to turn you into a hero, they'll turn you into an hero.
But if they want to turn you to see you fall, America loves a fall.
But what America even loves more than a fall is redemption and a comeback.
It's such an interesting thing about America and what happens to the great ones.
So, you know, a story like yours, when you're talking about the consequences you're willing to face, it's an interesting perspective.
When you think about a Tom Brady, you see a killer instinct in a guy like that, right?
But he was raised in a good family environment, right?
If you watch Man in the Arena, mom, dad, you know, three older sisters, you wonder, like, is the killer instinct DNA?
Is the killer instinct life experiences?
Is the killer instinct choice?
It's interesting that you say that.
Because we know some athletes that's number one and probably the best in the world in Europe.
Their families are billionaires, but their families can't buy that spot.
Being the best, they can't buy it.
So it's not money.
It's the desire to win.
It's the individual, you're right.
Yeah.
Normally when people are siblings of people that wealthy, they want to pretty much spit from them.
They want their own identity.
Sometimes they change their names because they want their own identity.
They have their own self-worth.
I want to stay on this too, to just ask this question from him.
When he became the youngest heavyweight, okay, and we're all watching.
We're like, oh, my God.
You know, they called it Cuscalda.
These youngest heavyweight.
Everybody's losing their minds, right?
20 years old, 21 years old, youngest ever heavyweight champion.
Did that automatically attract other goats that wanted to be around you, who were the champions?
And if it did, which I'm assuming it did because we've seen pictures with you pretty much with everybody, did you notice a similarity between your wife, where you're like, oh, I see Michael.
Oh, I see Magic.
Oh, I see Gretzky.
Oh, I see Ali.
Oh, man, I kind of see a little bit of myself.
And very interesting how we have these two, three things in common.
Did you see that yourself or you weren't looking at it from that lens?
No, because I really look at it, not from a, if I may be permitted to say, I just think that people from that perspective, it's just ordained by God to happen like that.
And it's not necessarily because we're athletes or entertainers.
There are people who are pretty much ordained by God to be the greatest businessman, to be the greatest garbage man.
It's just it's all from the universe.
And we have nothing to do with it, but just putting in the effort.
Interesting.
So it's a form of a, you know, being chosen or being called type of a thing.
You think that's a good thing?
Pretty much, I think, I think, because Cuss said he summoned me.
You know, I'm going to meet this old Italian guy.
Maybe he was like.
Wow.
You know, Patrick, most guys from the street that came up the hard way, they fold.
Not many guys make it.
No.
No.
You know, it's something within you that makes you overcome that.
You've got to have a drive, a determination.
Because most guys that come up like that, they're gone.
A mentor, a great mentor.
I had the best mentor on the planet.
Nobody could just do to me what he could.
There's never no one.
He was the greatest.
Nobody could make me reach the best.
Do you, in your house or your office, or you know, do you have a picture of him?
Absolutely.
What's your favorite picture of you and him?
Me hugging him.
After a fight or is it?
No, yes, before taking a picture.
So it's a picture you have that we haven't seen.
So it's not a public picture.
I'm sure it's been seen, yeah.
Got it.
That's cool.
You know, it's which one is that?
Do you see it?
Is that the one on the right in front of the white building?
No way.
Go back.
I saw it.
If you go back.
Yeah, it's that day.
It's that day.
No, move up.
Rob, if you go back, you had it.
Go back.
It's far to the right.
All the way to the right.
Right there up.
There it is.
That one right there.
And he's like, get off me.
He hates that.
Get the fuck off.
Man, what are you doing?
Get off.
That's your favorite picture with Cousin?
Yeah.
He's like, get off.
Stop.
He doesn't like intimacy.
He doesn't like that stuff.
He's too hard.
What do you think about when you see that picture?
He was right.
I'm the greatest ever.
Wow.
He was right.
Pat, you bring up the Tom Brady thing, and obviously Tom Brady and Mike Tyson had a completely different upbringing, not even a question.
But one thing they did have was a chip on their shoulder.
So you bring up Tom Brady, drafted in the seventh round, 189th pick.
You see the picture of when he was drafted.
He looked like he was just some frat dude.
His sisters with a good athlete.
Exactly, right?
But a chip on his shoulder.
You look at MJ, as the story goes, cut from his high school basketball team.
Holy shit, that just basically wound him up.
You look at Kobe when you interviewed Kobe.
What happened with Kobe?
He was number 40-something on the top 100 list of high school basketball players.
Boom, he developed a kill list.
Yeah, there's the picture of Tom Brady.
He doesn't look like the goat right there, does he?
No.
Turned out to be the greatest quarterback to ever live.
There has to be some, even with you with business, when you went to the Army and they told you that you would never be nothing in your life, your teachers, you got a 1.8 GPA.
You developed a chip on your shoulder that said, all right, I'm going to turn this thing around.
So Mike, what was it for you?
I completely understand that cost was your motivation, everything that, but you must have had a chip on your shoulder.
What was it that basically inspired you to say, all right, let me turn my life around and make this happen?
I don't know.
I used to know this.
In order to be a master, you first have to be a fool.
And then after that, it works out.
You first have to be a fool.
Yeah.
What does that mean?
Maybe you first say what?
Make mistakes and don't get discouraged.
It's so easy to get discouraged and give up.
Yeah.
This is kind of what Mike was saying.
I've been knocked out before the average.
Nothing came easy for me.
I didn't give up.
Never.
How old were you first time you got knocked out?
Actually, knocked out.
Oh, when I was a little kid.
How old?
I don't know, 11.
11 years old?
Yeah.
Who was the guy?
Oh, he hit me with a bat.
Yeah, he hit me with a bat.
They don't know our world.
He hit me with a bat.
That's how you is like normal, right?
As a matter of fact, the first time I got hit, we have something in common.
I got hit with a bat.
It broke two of my ribs.
See, that's how our life is.
We get hit with bats and people shoot at us at 11 years old.
Key to success is getting hit by a bat.
I got hit by a club.
You remember the club in the cars the clubs used to put to steering wheels so that he could throw a battery?
I got hit in the club.
I was in the army.
I was 18 years old in Kentucky.
I'm like, damn.
I saw somebody get hit with that too.
Split his head in two.
I broke my nose.
I woke up four o'clock in the morning.
Is that what happened?
That's one of the ways that one of the broken nose of future.
We always do cars.
You had to break that off first.
The club was actually an old school way.
It's before we had the current system.
I'll never forget the story when you guys did the interview at the MGM inside the ring, literally.
And you were talking about one of the first times that Mike, I don't know if this was one of the first, but when you really knew that you had power, you talked about that you fought the kid and then the father showed up.
Yeah, you had to fight the father.
Tell us after how old were you when you're fighting grown men?
I was like 11, 12, but I was big.
You know what I mean?
I'm like 11 years old, but I'm 175 pounds.
At 11.
Yeah, 160.
So, but I'm short though.
So I'm fighting the guy.
I don't know if I'm fighting because I'm taking something, trying to take something for him.
Mostly that happens when you're fighting him and his family.
So I'm trying to take something.
Maybe it's jacket or it's watch, something I'm trying to take.
I'm just, I'm trifling like that back then.
And then I was fighting with him.
And I don't know if I snatched his coat off, but his father came running down the streets.
And when he was on the floor, his father just came and he started to try to throw.
I picked him up, slammed him on the floor.
And the kid jumped on me from behind.
I kicked the ass, but they kicked my ass too.
Father-son-duel from an act like that.
They got me good, though.
They got me good.
Has that ever been?
They became my close friends too.
How did that happen?
I don't know.
That's what happened.
You understand?
You fight your friends to the death and mean try to rob them.
And then as time goes on, you guys become friends and your guys rob other people.
Right?
Absolutely.
Is that what happened with you and Evander Holyfield?
You guys are friends now.
I think you guys are working in business.
Yes.
Yes, yes, yes.
Me, I was bust this chapter.
Me and you're the only people still making money from a fight that happened 30 years ago.
Straight up.
Right?
That's right, yeah.
How did that friendship develop?
Because at one point, you guys were as competitive enemies as it gets, right?
We were always friends.
I knew him since I was 17 years old, you know, from the boxing scene.
And I had made these ears.
Can you pull up the ear company that they launched?
Holy bites.
Yes.
And show a picture of it, the product, if you can.
Rob, Mike Tyson asked you to show a picture, buddy.
There it goes right there, the ear.
And they were going off the hook, and he was a little offended.
He was a little offended at first.
And then he and the whole time.
Why are you doing this to me, man?
He was a little offended until he saw the profit of it.
He saw that prophet said, Hey, I'm with you.
Mike bites.
Here's like you might have taken it.
Oh, you're 30 over here.
Yeah, listen, guys.
Can I really ask you a question?
How sight?
I'm trying to think of the word.
Satanic.
People are so happy.
Yeah, you better blah, blah, blah.
Yeah, what the?
We have savages.
We live in a country of savages.
First of all, first time I saw it, I'm like, what?
What the fight?
If you watched it, did you watch the fight live or no?
Live?
No, I mean, I wasn't there, but I was 17 years old.
Yeah, you're seeing you do like what?
Oh, you were at the actual fight?
With Mike Tyson and the Vanderholy film?
Wally and Chuck Zito and Stallone, we were all there that night.
What was the reaction?
How long did it take for the audience to know what happened?
Oh, it was crazy.
Yeah.
I don't think I didn't know right away what happened.
Didn't understand it.
But then we were hearing things, you know, because I was in like the third or fourth row.
We were hearing things, and then obviously everybody knew after that.
But yeah, what happened afterwards, though, you know, I was with my wife, too, and the place went crazy afterwards.
I told her, We're not leaving here.
Just sit here until everybody leaves and everything gets calmed down.
But it was crazy.
I know the world without Mike is crazy, huh?
You said you made $30 million.
I think you said this last year sometime in October.
You made $30 million from this fight, just from the bite.
Well, after, I know I made $27 because they took three from me.
They took three.
They're finding me.
Look.
They fined you for $3 million for the.
There you go.
You said I got fined $3 million for that.
Yeah.
And I might have made $30 million since that happened from the bite.
From just the picture.
Yeah.
The bite heard around the world.
No, no, no.
From just the Mike Bite.
Every time I'm doing a signing, they take a picture of biting people's ears all over the world.
Take a picture bite in my ear.
Bite my ear.
What the hell's ain't you got white supremacist?
Bite my ear.
Bite my ear.
What the fuck?
Listen, no.
Taliban, bite my ear.
Bite my ear.
You've made it if it's that.
Listen, stop.
Serial killer.
Bite my ear.
Bite my ear.
Listen, let me just say this one story.
I'm in Phoenix.
I'm working out in Phoenix, Arizona.
I'm working out.
And it's Ramadan.
And I'm not working out, but I'm just doing an interview.
And I'm doing an interview with this guy.
And I'm talking a little scared.
He got very little hands.
You know, those little white guys with small little hands.
And he's nice.
And some guys were picking on him.
And I said, yo, chill out.
Leave him alone.
You know, I got my Ramadan stuff on.
I think I'm religious.
So I come over.
I'm talking to him and stuff.
He's very tiny, petite little guy.
Thank you.
And thank you, sir.
And then he leaves.
I do the interview.
Two or three days come by.
SWAT has the whole gym surrounding him.
I'm like, wow.
And I went out the night before and I'm saying to myself, who asked that I grabbed shit?
Why is Squat here?
But then I said, hey, if I grab some ass, it wouldn't be the fans here, right?
So I'm saying, what the hell did I do?
So they come in and they show a picture of me and this guy shaking hands.
I'm saying, fuck, this guy's probably to have a loss.
I must have done something that got this guy nervous or something.
And he said, do you know this guy?
And I said, well, listen, I was promoting the fight, and I must have got a little animated.
He may have gotten scared.
If anything happened, I'm sorry.
I didn't mean to.
And then he snatched the paperback, the picture bag.
No, Mr. Tyson, he liked you.
He didn't like the 20 people he shot and the eight that he killed.
What?
Wow, he was the baseline shooter.
He was a serial killer.
He was a boxing writer, too.
The skinny little white guy.
Mike Tyson, the serial killer.
Check that out.
The skinny little white guy you were describing?
Yeah.
Mike Tyson.
David Hausner?
Hausner.
Yeah, check him out.
That little fucker, right?
Look at his hands.
Look at it.
No, I'm serious, man.
Y'all laughing.
Look at his hands.
He's a little small.
Look, he looks like.
In the interview, I thought, oh, Mr. Tyson, oh my God, I'm such a fan.
I'm like, fuck.
I'm like, look, it's okay, brother.
The words don't fuck with you.
Because they were fucking with him outside.
You know what I mean?
I said, don't worry about it.
I got you.
And I thought something happened, you know.
And he turned out to be a mass murderer?
Yeah, he shot 28 or something, but he killed eight.
Rob, scroll down and see the story?
Find out how many people he killed.
He killed eight, but I know he shot around 20 of them.
30 motherfuckers.
And he committed suicide in prison, so I guess that turned out great.
He committed suicide in prison.
Yeah.
So you've met, again, you've met a lot of weird cats.
Listen.
Would this guy be at the top?
29 people he shot, eight he murdered.
What?
Yeah.
Listen.
Listen, this is my life.
Listen, I must draw these kind of people because I'm in Australia, right?
And I'm taking pictures with people, right?
And one side of me, after they get the picture, I got the Aryan guy right here with the big beard, and then I got the Taliban guy right here.
And that's what it was.
Mike Tyson was a local Australian Taliban supporter, and I got the Aryan bike rider on my right, on my left.
And I say to my people, hey, man, how those people get close to me like that?
You know what they said?
They bought a ticket.
They bought a ticket.
That's what you said.
That's what they said.
That's what they said.
They bought a ticket.
Well, we were at the UFC fight in Miami, and you walked up with Trump, and that place lost their mind when you guys walked.
I don't know if you.
Hey, listen, Trump is, Trump is, I don't like, people don't like, but Trump is the man.
Trump is the man.
He had this fan base.
He had his supporters.
And they're going to stick with him to the end.
How has he been to you over the years?
Hey, I always, I never had a bad moment with him.
You've never had a bad moment with him?
No, no, no.
Became very profited from him.
It was just a great relationship.
When did you guys initially meet?
What was the first encounter?
It must have been 1920.
But I just ate, I just had dinner with him a week ago.
In Mar-a-Lago?
Where were you?
In Mar-a-Lago.
That was awesome.
Me, him, Byron.
I mean, Byron and his mother, Baron and his mother.
And it was just off the hook.
He's so smart.
The young kid, Baron.
He's a little smart.
Oh, Baron.
He's seven feet tall now without him.
He's 6'8.
He's 6'8.
But you knew he was very intelligent?
I've heard a lot of weird stories.
Man, this kid is, they were saying that this is autistic.
This guy is on top of this game intellectually.
At 16 years old.
17.
17 now.
Got it.
Was Melania there at that time?
Yeah, she was there as well.
How was your interaction with her?
What is it?
What was she like?
Awesome.
It's like the president's wife, the first lady.
Do you have a similar kind of relationship with the current president, Joe Biden?
Listen, I didn't have the opportunity to actually meet President Biden.
I briefly met his son, Hunter.
And, hey, listen, we're out here.
We're trying to make this the best country we possibly can.
And there's certain people that believe they can do it better.
And that's just what this is all about.
Nothing personal.
Have you spent time with the governor, Florida, with DeSantis?
No, I didn't have the opportunity.
I met him at maybe a football game.
We were in the same booth, I believe.
What they call that again?
Sweetbox.
Sweet.
Sweet sweet, yeah.
You're an East Coast guy, East Coast hip-hop.
I've seen stories with you and Tupac, and I've seen you talk about Tupac a lot, and it's emotional stories.
Did you ever have any interaction with Biggie or?
Listen, I first met Biggie when I came back and I fought either with Peter McNeely, Peter McNeely or either Frank Bruno.
And I had a party at my house, and he came.
Biggie.
Yeah.
And at the time, I was really religious, and I was a prick.
And hey, listen, he kids can't drink.
So he shot the drink down, came in the house, and he was very impressed.
He asked how much the house cost.
At the time, it was $6 million.
And that was cool to him back then.
But if he was to continue to live, it would have been like buying a candy bar for him.
But listen, he was just a cool guy.
Then I met him again at Nels, and he was just a really nice, cool guy.
How different were he and Tupac, personality-wise?
Biggie is a smooth, laid-back guy.
Park is the real energetic power.
He's the personality.
Boom, explosive.
But they're both Geminis, too.
You know who is a Gemini?
Who?
Trump.
Shoot.
Elvis.
Marilyn Monroe.
Brad Pitt.
Lena Jolie.
They're crazy.
Jonathan Kennedy.
They're crazy.
My wife's a Gemini.
We got something to comment because I'm a Gemini.
You are too late.
Gemini's daughter's a Gemini.
Listen, listen.
They don't let grudges go.
Geminis?
No, they need to chill out on grudges.
We got to go through a list of Geminis you've crossed and say, you know what?
I got to call these seven guys.
If they get mad at you, oh, God, they want to kill you.
Comedian-wise, favorite comedian of all time.
You've seen a lot of guys.
Who do you like the most?
Comedy.
Oh, man.
So many people are going to get mad at me.
I'm from the 80s.
And I just, personally, my personal, I like Eddie Murphy.
Raw.
Yeah.
By the way.
There's other guys listening that surpassed him and all that stuff, but he was different.
He was different.
He was different.
Eddie Murphy.
Yeah.
You know, most of these, imagine living the life of a comedian.
And you have some bad nights and stuff.
And you want to, and it's very easy to be discouraged from being a comedian.
Very sensitive people want to do well, overachievers.
And they have an arena of 20,000 people, and one person won't clap, and they focus on that one person.
Wow.
20,000 people losing their mind, but a comedian's forgot that one person.
They don't know if the guy's on drugs, tired.
Fuck.
They may start attacking him.
No, serious.
That 20,000, 100,000 people going crazy.
They see only that one guy that's not clapping.
Is that how you were as a fighter or no?
Different for fighters?
No, it's a little different from fighters.
But when I'm on stage doing my show, I'd have that feeling.
You see that stuff from the show side.
I need it all right now, quick.
When you were fighting, was there like that one sports commentator where you're like, this mother, you know, every single time he never gives him.
Was there anything like that or never?
There was always people, but I didn't really care.
You're nothing.
The people don't say you're the champ, then you're nothing.
You don't even have to have the belt for the people to be the champ.
The people make you the champion.
Really, you fight.
Everybody's fighting and you win.
And there's been people that's won and been great champions.
But still, the people gave our lead the champion.
He's our champion.
No question.
Regardless, they have the belt or not.
He's our champion.
Mike, are you following what's going on with Jamie Foxx?
He's not feeling well.
Something's going on with...
Yeah, there's a stroke.
I had no idea what happened to him.
Yeah.
Can you pull that up?
Yeah, let's try to prove it, Fox.
We were at a restaurant a couple months ago in L.A., and what was the restaurant to stay here?
Remember the restaurant in L.A.?
Anyway.
Catch.
Catch.
Yes, yes.
And he showed up, looked really good, and then all of a sudden you hear the stories about Jamie Von Demos of Chicago Rail Facility.
Hey, listen, we can't anticipate our next breath.
We don't know when we're going to die.
After we leave, this bad stuff could happen.
Is he still doing the movie or no?
Is he still?
Wasn't there like stories of him playing your life?
What was the possibility?
You know, I don't know what's going to happen now, but you know, it's a strong possibility.
Yeah.
Because, you know, Jamie's closer to my age.
So in order to do him, they were going to do what they did with Benjamin Button.
You remember that?
Rapid?
Yeah.
Make him look younger type of deal.
Yeah.
I mean, they know how to do that.
Absolutely.
Has there any been any actual news on what this medical condition is?
I mean, Jamie Foxx is a young, vibrant, healthy guy.
And all of a sudden, boom.
Hey, listen, if we don't know by now, they don't want us to know.
You know what?
Come on, man.
Stop.
I got to wake up.
Question for you.
Question for you, Mike.
I had a guy on because for me, I have this weird personality where, you know, I want to know what happened to the Shah when we escaped Iran.
And I went to Germany, lived out of refugee camp.
So I want to know what the hell happened to Iran, right?
I want to know my parents.
You know, one's a communist, one's an imperialist.
I want to know, why do you believe in communism?
So I have to go read the book on Karl Marx.
No, communism.
No, no.
So for me, John F. Kennedy assassination, I'm like, who the hell was this?
So I've interviewed anybody I can possibly get a hold of to learn about John F. Kennedy, right?
There's.
Tupac was one of them because I have a painting in my house.
I'll show you today in the painting.
There is John F. Kennedy, there's Einstein, there's Milton Friedman, there's MLK, there's Tupac, there's Ayrton Senna, there's a Shavi Ron and Lincoln in one empty chair, right?
Tupac, Tupac grew up.
Communist ideology.
Black Panther, you know, those motherfuckers.
That's right.
Very interesting, right, where he was at.
Yeah, that painting, right?
If you want to zoom in, Tupac's to my left.
If you zoom in on the bigger one, yeah, right there.
Anyways, you'll see this here.
But Tupac, when he passed away, I was so curious.
I said, what happened to this guy?
Who was behind it?
You know, the whole thing with the fight, you know, he's at your fight.
He's going to get to the fight.
I think you guys were supposed to spend some time together.
And then I interviewed Greg Kading.
And if you know who Greg Kading is, Greg Kading, are you familiar with Greg Kading?
No.
Greg Kading, if you can pull up his Wikipedia, Greg Kading is the guy that he's the guy that was doing the investigation on Tupac.
I remember this.
They had a little television show about this.
Yes, you're right.
Absolutely.
And he was known as the multi-law enforcement task force that investigated the murders of rap stars, Tupac and Biggie.
That's the Wikipedia story about him, right?
So I said, so who was really behind this?
So in the video, when I interview him, you know how somebody's trying to arrest him.
Like if you've seen a movie American Gangster and they got these pictures, is this the guy at the top?
Is this the guy?
So I have 50 different pictures with magnets, and he's putting these things up on.
If you go to the video, you'll see how I said it.
I put Greg Kading by David.
And I said, who was really the guy behind it?
He says, well, we first thought it was this.
Then we first thought it was that.
And we first thought it was this.
And everything's going.
Then at the end, the conclusion, after multiple conversations with him and different people, it came down to Biggie.
And to me, there's so many right there.
If you can just zoom in, that's the way we had it.
So we're kind of going back and forth to see who was behind the guys that killed Biggie, Tupac, Easy.
I'm a hip-hop guy.
I grew up to all this stuff with NWA.
This is my, like, you know, Straight Out of Compton was a movie I watched God knows how many times because I listened to all of that stuff.
I'm an LA kid.
why is it that so many people in music and hollywood fear this guy diddy as if he's untouchable and even the sugar diddy Diddy.
Diddy.
Not Sugar.
You said Biggie, but you meant Tupac.
I meant to say Diddy.
Not Biggie.
If you punch in on the picture here, you see Diddy, you see Suge Knight, and then a lot of their cohorts down there, but Tupac and Biggie at the top, as you were, Pat.
Yeah, so what is it?
I mean, everybody is in there.
So what is it with Diddy that so many T.I. called him out?
50 Cents said one time on Charlemagne God's podcast, you know, breakfast.
He says, He says, one time Diddy said, hey, let me go buy you some clothes.
Let me take you shopping.
He's like, well, you want to take me shopping?
What are you talking about?
So T.I. called him out.
50 called him out.
But some people are afraid.
What do you know about?
Because some people are talking about there's Diddy involvement with Jamie and something happened because he was calling him out for some of the parties he was putting up.
Is there anything you have opinions on, Diddy?
Have you had any experiences with Diddy?
No, I knew him for a long time.
Got it.
And with you, he was chill.
He was good.
He was.
He was an awesome guy.
I knew him before he was Diddy.
I knew him for a long time.
When I first became champ, I knew him.
I remember him.
He used to have crates when I used to have my after parties and stuff.
That was when they were throwing parties.
This is when he was the CEO, founder of Bad Boy Williams.
No, I don't think he was Bad Boy yet.
No, you remember him, Damon Dash, and all this guy.
They weren't on yet.
I was like the first street guy that really got on.
You know, I'm talking about a guy doing crime in the streets that became a television guy, and everyone knew he was a celebrity, had fantasy cars.
I was the first.
This is all in Brooklyn.
I'm the first of our generation of that crew, you know, the street hustlers that really blew up like that.
And you guys all knew each other.
Yes.
It's the same era.
Listen, this young lady that works for my company, and she started saying names to people I remember when I was 11, 12 years old.
And it just, it baffles me that you think you got away from these people.
You never see them again.
You knew them when you were at the worst of your level or heard about them.
And you're not the only one God had his hand on.
These guys made them successful, too.
And yes, to know them and see them at this level of the game is just mind-boggling.
I mean, it's really, you're almost like proud in a way when you see them, you know, what they experienced in life.
And now they became respectable citizens.
I guess it's a, you know, how you're in a class of 82 or class of 90, whatever.
You're all coming up.
You're kind of seeing who made it from your class.
I guess that's how to see it when you're coming up from the streets.
Yes.
At the same era.
Who else were the guys during that time that made it big out of all of you?
Listen, there were some rappers that no people didn't know about that made it real big, and not just from rapping, but from writing.
And it's just, listen, I come from Brownville, Brooklyn.
Very competitive.
You know, normally either you succeed, probably 60% of the people don't have their high school diploma.
It might be more.
But it's just a school.
It's just a neighborhood for people that normally fail.
It's just a failing.
If you don't have sports, you're not a lawyer or whatever.
You're not going to make it.
You're not going to do well.
You know, it's very competitive, very doggy dog.
People who are your friends at one time, next thing you know, they turned on you.
Come over to the house.
I need to do something for me, man.
Or they go over your house and they kill you and rob your house of your drugs and stuff.
These are the people you was in the sandbox with.
When the drug game, you know, when the drug game.
Michael Francis is nodding over here because he knows this.
When the drug game started in the early 80s, you know, when that started, the people that you were robbing with, your friends with and everything, next thing you know, you got different gangs in your shoes.
All these gangs, we all grew up together.
All the people in his gang, all the people in the gang over here, some of them are related and now they're killing it, killing each other.
We're all friends.
We grew up together.
We used to rob and steal together, go to shopping together.
I put the robbing money, smoke our weed, drinking together when we were kids.
And next thing you know, I went over to my house after I'm doing good in this boxing stuff.
It wasn't champion, but almost.
I was making money.
So somebody gets shot.
I go to the hospital to see him.
And then somebody else got killed.
So I go to the funeral to see him.
But the guy went to the hospital.
It's the guy that killed my friend I'm going to the funeral for.
I'm sure you understand.
I'm at my friend's.
I'm crying that my friend is in the hospital.
He's shot.
And that thing knows I'm going to my friend's funeral, but he shot my friend.
It's crazy, right?
It's really crazy.
Like earlier, we were talking with Michael about power players in sports, power players in the mob, power players in politics.
And I said, who was a power player or a mob?
He said, Chin, right?
And that was a guy that would run everything.
So you kind of had to run Vince and Chin, huh?
Yeah.
Guy to play like he was crazy.
That fighter.
He's pretty smart.
Look at him.
He's a fighter, I heard.
Yeah, he was a fighter.
He was a good fighter, too.
Yeah, didn't he kind of confuse what Mike was saying?
That he was a little bit mentally off, like he was crazy and he was trying to figure out.
He played good.
He did a good job for a bunch of years.
For 30 years.
Making money up his ass.
Yes, go ahead.
But people asked me, I said, Michael, was he really crazy?
And I said, well, look, to play crazy for 30 years and get away with it, you got to be a little crazy.
Eventually, you'll become that part, yeah.
But he was crazy as a fox.
He was very smart.
And from what I know about him, he was a moneymaker from the beginning.
That's why Giovanni got him to shoot Costello.
He wanted to do it.
Yeah, very smart guy.
Have you ever met Mr. Costello, Frank Costello?
No.
Never.
No.
You know what?
But he's the one guy.
If I had to pick the ultimate mob guy that you wanted to be, it would be Frank Costello.
Why is that?
Smart, Patrick.
He called him the prime minister.
He knew how to get around people.
He had political connections.
He was a brilliant guy.
He was the best Arnold Rothstein, too.
That was his mentor.
I mean, if you the movie Monster.
Arnold Rothstein.
Yeah.
He's the OG of OG.
He's a Jewish guy, but he created the concept of the five families.
Arnold Rothstein did it.
Yeah.
Ross and Myelansky, too.
I know Luciano gets the credit for it because he was there, but it was Rothstein and Myelansky.
Two Jewish.
Yeah, they made this into a business, basically.
Before that, it was a lot of guys running around killing each other, gang stuff and all that.
But they organized it.
Yeah, he was.
Did you watch the Myrlansky movie?
Did you watch the recent one that younger?
I didn't think that.
I wasn't crazy about it.
No, I didn't think it was that good.
It wasn't crazy about it.
Yeah.
Came out about a year and a half ago or something.
Mike, were there power players in Hollywood where when you made it and they're like, we can really use this guy to make a lot of money?
And they started calling you?
Like guys that people don't know, not guys like people know.
Hey, listen, I made all my money with my hands.
I didn't need anything else.
I did some Pepsi-Colder commercials and all that stuff.
But all the money I made with my hands, the majority of it.
Yeah.
No, I mean, and a lot of people are in highlight reels because of you, on the opposite side, because of your hands.
And you entertain a lot of us.
Hey, I had a great teacher.
Yeah.
Great teacher.
Yeah, that's no question about this is the second time and the amount of influence Cuss has that you always bring back to giving him the credit that you give.
The only reason I'm asking a question about power players is in the political world right now, you're seeing Tucker got fired.
And I think you did something with Tucker, right?
Yeah, I spent the weekend with him over time.
I thought it was great, yeah.
And you're seeing he gets fired.
And you see Don Lemon gets fired.
And you see all of these things happening.
One is on the left, one is on the right.
I'm trying to see from a guy that's been in this space where there are guys behind closed doors that sometimes call the shots.
Did you experience that?
Or was it more, it was more straight up than, you know, of course, everyone's heard or read the stories about Don King and what that was like.
I'm not talking about Don King.
I'm talking people above Don King.
Hey, listen, what would be my purpose?
I'm telling you that.
You know, I don't know.
I'm sure somebody else in a higher position that no more could tell you more.
I don't know.
I've never been to these secret parties and stuff that everyone's talking about.
I don't think I'm allowed.
They don't let me go, but I've never been invited.
You've never been invited.
No, I've never been invited to one of those strange parties everyone talks about.
Bill Burr was on Conan, O'Brien.
And I don't know if you've seen this one when Bill Burr is on Conan.
And he says, you know, he says, so, hey, Bill, did you vote?
Nah, I didn't vote.
I think I did.
I don't know if I voted.
I don't know if I voted.
He says, yeah, right.
You know you voted.
I forgot.
I think I voted or not.
Obviously, you know, Bill is not wanting to say who he voted for.
So what do you think about Trump winning and Hillary Clinton?
He says, I got to tell you, you know, forget about them.
You know, he tells the teams the greatest comeback, you know, the miracle, the hockey, and all this stuff.
I've never, never seen anybody win the way he wins.
He says, so, he says, but who was the other person?
Doesn't the other person go to those Builder, what are those weird parties they put in San Francisco?
Do you know which one I'm talking about, Rob?
When Bilbert tells Conan about the after parties that these higher-ups go to.
He says, what are you talking about?
He says, you haven't heard of these parties?
He says, no.
He says, like, I don't know.
I don't know what I'm talking about, man.
We can just change the subject and change the subject.
But it was obviously a funny moment.
But I guess, Mike, you've never been invited to those parties.
So going back to Matt.
Hey, I'm a quiet taste, man.
You are a quiet taste.
I respect it.
Going back to the stories on Champions Corner, okay, with men.
I ask you, but I'll ask you, Mike, to see what you think about it.
Criticism gives to, sometimes given to men today, saying men are a lot softer today than they were before.
You know, they're not as tough as they were before.
You know, men are soft today, and they give different measuring sticks, how much they bench with their, you know, grip strength and this and that and all this stuff showing that based on these markers and men used to be this, they're no longer that.
Do you agree with that?
And if yes, what do you think is causing that?
I think men are smarter now.
Maybe not be as tough now because just thinking 80s and 70s, right?
It was in your face.
Boom, like this.
Now it's cool, calm.
It's really not necessary.
We do that, my friend.
This and that.
It's very hard to even get somebody to really, fuck you, when you cut them off by asking.
They don't do that anymore.
Before, like in the 80s or 70s, somebody cut you off, you got out of the car.
Motherfucker, this and that.
Then he's out of the car because you got out of the car.
You know, it's not that now.
People nowadays, say you or myself, get in a caught altercation with what, let me call him a modern man.
Okay?
He's not going to fight.
The modern man's going to have a gun or he's going to have his phone to go right to the police station.
You know, he's not going to be talking too much or anything, like yelling like we did.
That's not going to happen.
They're all packed now.
Everybody, the woman, everybody's packed now.
So it's a different world altogether.
That's why when you see women now, their confrontations, they're very confident.
They've been through situations before where they were successful.
And it's different now having a confrontation with a woman.
She's your equal now.
She has the equalizer.
If you think it's not true, just check Florida.
Florida, everybody could buy a gun.
You don't even have to have a permit now.
That's what they call the gun, the great equalizer.
God made big men, God made small men.
Smith and Westman made us equal.
That's what Cush always used to say.
Smith and Weston made us equal.
I love that.
I love that.
Patrick, can we put this link up because people that want to get early access to this mentorship program?
It's called ChampsEarlyAccess.com.
Michael, it's right there if you look at it right off the right.
Champions Corner.
That's it.
Michael, I mean, we didn't really address it because Mike wasn't in the room yet, but how did this partnership come about, right?
Michael Francis, Mike Tyson, have a business together.
Entrepreneurs, both from the streets of New York, that, you know, 40 years later after the initial come up, how did this all come about?
It was a no-brainer, right, Mike?
Yeah, I mean, listen, you know, I think we both want to leave a legacy.
You know, we both went up the hard way.
We both did the wrong things for a lot of people.
I made so many mistakes in my life, Adam.
I mean, I can't even begin to count.
But fortunately, was able to straighten it out.
You know, and the way you straighten it out, you've got good people around you.
You got a supportive wife.
You got your kids.
You know, you don't want to make those mistakes anymore.
And, you know, for me, I really found out in life, I mean this.
You know, I've had just about everything.
I've lost everything.
I've been up and down.
But when I go and talk to people and they look up to me and I'm able to give them some encouragement, it's the best feeling in the world.
You know, when I go speak to these gangbangers, you know, I'll go into a prison and they'll say, you know, Mike, we're going to give you the guys that are on their way home.
They're in the camp.
And I said, I don't want those guys.
I want the guys that are in here doing a hard time.
I want to talk to these guys.
And I'll sit down with them.
And because I have credibility, like Mike has, we have credibility.
We've been there and done that.
We see the impact that we had on them.
It really matters.
And say, wow, I feel really good about this.
You know, to those who have been given much, much is expected in return.
And I think, you know, even though we've had a lot of hard knocks, you know, we're pretty fortunate.
And so you want to spread it around.
You know, and when I'm thinking about this, listen, Mike may be humble in this regard, but he's probably one of the best known people in the world.
Everybody knows Mike Tyson, no matter where you go.
So if you want to have maximum impact and really reach out, you know, in whatever time we got left in this life, I said, this isn't natural.
We both came from Brooklyn.
We both understand the streets.
And, you know, to me, it was no-brainer.
Yeah.
When is it being launched?
In July.
July.
Yeah.
Got it.
So we're preparing it now.
So right now, people get signed up.
So the moment it's being launched, they'll be able to get registered and get involved.
We're doing early access now.
Then we're going to cut it off for a while.
So whoever jumps in now will be the first ones in there.
And then we're going to cut it off as we're preparing, and then we'll launch in July.
We're going to launch it here.
And I would like to say I'm a strong exponent in having people on the show defending their whole ideology as well.
If we have a debate about somebody, I don't know, and some gender, because that's what they're talking about, we should have them right here and kindly, politely debate about it.
You know, everything should be debated, I believe.
That's my opinion.
You like debates?
Not necessarily that I like debates, but everybody have the chance to believe what they have to say.
Present their arguments.
We see for ourselves.
Exactly.
Exactly.
Absolutely.
I agree too.
That's one of the problems I think we have.
Everybody's screaming at each other all the time.
But if you can sit down and hear somebody else's side of the story, because sometimes you don't know what motivates them to do what they do.
You know, and it's good to get that out, talk about it.
What's the format going to be?
So if somebody is on there, what is the content in the Champions Corner?
Well, listen, we're not only into mentoring young people, but personal development.
Telling people really how to be the best possible person they could be.
How to give them business advice.
Because look, Patrick, you know this better than anybody.
Who knows what's going to happen in this car?
It's crazy.
I know a lot of people are struggling out there, really struggling, you know, and they don't know what to do.
So it's not only Mike and I, but we got a team of experts that we're putting together so that any situation that you might have, we can helpfully provide the answers for you, whether it be in business, whether it be a faith issue, whether it be personal development, you got trouble at home, you don't know how to survive.
All of these things, look, we're not the end-all for everything, but we have enough experience to really show people this is the right way to go.
This is what you should do.
And that's what we want to do.
You know, people that come through this platform are going to say, you know what, I really got something out of it.
I really benefited from it.
And they'll go on and hopefully lead a little better life.
Mike, you bring up the concept of faith.
I know that you found God, Jesus, while you were in the can, right?
I believe you also did the same when you, are you Muslim now?
I'm Muslim.
But I was a Muslim before I went to prison.
You were.
So what role has faith played in your life at this point?
Because you see in America the decline in family, decline in religion, decline in community service.
And, you know, we see that Pat says this all the time, that churches should be packed these days.
You know, churches should revive America's greatness.
What role has religion played in your guys' life?
And what are people lacking as they're clinging to politics and political ideology and wokeness, as some may regard, rather than faith in God?
Man.
There you go, Mike.
I just believe that, oh, praise be to Allah, I just believe God should be your personal entity.
I don't believe God should be, you know, that's my opinion.
You should have your relationship with God because when it's your turn to go in front of God, you're going to be alone.
Judgment Day, your homeboy is not going to be inside your mother, your father.
You'll be alone.
You know, that's what they say.
So you have to have your own personal relationship with God.
In any way you believe it's possible, that's better and help you reach your highest potential.
Sometimes they can't do it from a, some people can't deal with religion from a perspective of this is the way it is.
From the Bible, from the book.
And I don't know.
Everyone don't get into it from that perspective.
They want their own personal relationship with Allah.
You're saying more spiritual than more structured religion?
Yes, but the structure is good as well.
Some of us need the structure.
That's why we have the structure in the Quran and the Bible, because some people feed on that alone.
That's their objective.
And I think they all have their purpose.
All religion has the purpose.
All the religion, from my experience now, came from the what do you call those people before the Egyptians, Sumerians?
It's the same religion they have.
It's the same religion in the Bible, some parts of the Quran.
Moses is a different name.
It's Gilgamesh.
So all religion, even though I saw this once before, if I could be permitted to say, I was in Egypt and I'm a Muslim and I saw on the carvings, they had statues doing the Muslim prayers, the way we pray.
And I said, wow, this had to influence Islam a lot.
You know, the statue.
That's hundreds of, you know, like thousands of years old.
So we don't know anything about this world.
We just know what we were taught or told.
We have no ideology who we are, where we came from, who our ancestors really were.
You know.
How about you, Mike?
I couldn't have said it better, but personal relationship.
That's what it's all about.
I mean, you got to have a moral foundation.
You got to have something.
And to me, it's all about my personal relationship with God.
Obviously, you know, I go out and speak and share it, but I feel I'm obligated to do that.
But it's like you said, you're going to stand in front of God alone.
You and him.
Nobody else.
You know, and so often, you know, you get on social media and Patrick, you know, there's people who say this and that, so many crazy people online.
And I don't respond to any of that because you do care about what people say.
Don't get me wrong.
But at the end of the day, you know, it's you and God alone.
And you got to get it straight with him.
And I'm pretty heavy on donations too, stuff a lot.
If that helps, then help me.
Everybody, this is why I realized in my life, even myself, even when I give my tips, I always give tips out.
It's a good thing, but subconsciously, I'm trying to buy my way to heaven.
You know, you're not PR, man.
You're buying our way to heaven.
Oh, you need this.
You need that.
Okay.
In the Jewish religion, that's called Sadaka.
Really?
I'm a Sadakr.
There we go, man.
But as Tupac once said, only God could judge me.
Yes, I'm not sure.
Good to see a Muslim, a Catholic, I'm mentioning a Jew all hanging out on a podcast.
Subaku guy.
But listen, check this out.
Imagine if we were in no religions.
No one would be.
We would be brothers.
If we didn't have no religions and we as four guys together, we'd be brothers.
Right?
We all have the same belief.
We don't believe in God or else religion.
You know, we'd be brothers.
There's always religion because religion is just an action.
Something that's repetition.
What we do, we wake up every day.
Our lifestyle is a religion.
Whatever we do, it's the concept of religion.
Repetition.
Belief.
I can't wait for this to come out for folks to take advantage of, Rob.
If you can put it in chat description and put it in the comment section as well on all of them for people to be able to go to and visit and sign up for.
It's coming out in July.
Michael Francis and Mike Tyson Champions Corner.
Get registered so you know once this is being launched to everybody.
Mike and Michael.
And Patrick, we're going to enlist you too.
Yeah.
We need some of your intelligence.
You need some of my intelligence.
They're going to make you an offer.
You can't refuse to.
You've got to be our mentor.
Our mentor.
Is that what's going to happen?
Big time.
We're going to be debating.
We're going to be debating.
There's going to be a lot of debates.
My debate mentor.
Well, it'll be a lot of fun.
You guys got the right people behind helping out.
I'm excited about this.
Can you imagine this?
Listen.
Can you imagine having a discussion about gender and we have a gentleman, a woman of gender right there?
And we're debating it.
That would be so awesome.
Would you want to be part of that and ask them questions?
Why wouldn't I want to be a part of that?
I would love to see that.
I would love to see that.
I would love to see what questions you would ask.
I would actually be, first of all, I think I would be good.
No, why?
Because I have a daughter that's in that world.
So I think it's in that lifestyle.
So I think I would be really good.
Wow.
I would be very objective.
Are you following this Dylan Mulvaney Bud Light situation that's basically been a lightning rod for debate?
This is what you don't know.
Well, I think you know it, but this is what we don't want to say.
Are we fighting these people?
Are we fighting these gender people?
I saw them shooting at them.
Are we fighting those people?
Because if we're fighting them, right?
Or if you're fighting them, we're not good fighters because we already lost.
We already lost.
He's wasting his bullets.
He wasted his air shooting at that commercial in those boxes.
Kid Rock, you're saying.
Yeah.
Listen, they won the fight already.
Did you say that to Kid Rock's face?
Because you were with him at that UFC fight with Trump and Dana White.
You were sitting right next to him.
didn't shoot that commercial yet.
If I would have thought that commercial, it was shot and it was it was previewed after the next day or next week, right then and there.
Next week, right after that.
But if he would talk to me, I would discuss my experience with trying to intervene in that world.
And I didn't give a good welcome.
You know, I love my daughter.
If anybody assailed her, I would attempt to kill them.
And it's just her life, and I'm not going to stop her from living her life, and she's not going to stop me from living my life.
You know, but as a father, I'm always there to kill and die for her.
As a father.
What would you have said to Kid Rock in that regard?
I would have let him know he wasted his ammunition.
You know, he just wasted his admonition.
Really, tell me, how do you, we as men, right?
How do you tell me, how do we intervene in stuff like this?
Unless you do it unlawfully.
Lawfully, these the gender community pretty much, they won.
Unless you're going to do some illegal stuff like hurting them and stuff.
But from just a fair fight, I guess what it is.
This ideology against this ideology, that ideology won.
What do you mean they won?
You see, they have commercials.
You see they have banisters.
When you see that, even as a human being, some people, they get our sympathy.
They're people, they're a small army fighting a big army.
Sometimes little armies get sympathy from people that were a part of this big army.
Or maybe some people in this army are siblings from somebody in this big army.
Or the leader of the army has his siblings in this army that he loves.
That's what I'm talking about.
How this, listen, love is going to overcome it all.
You know, I'm not going to let nobody hurt my baby because she wants to live that life.
You know, even if I didn't agree with it, I'm not going to let no one hurt my baby.
It's just how it is.
You're almost giving it a David Goliath type metaphor.
Yeah, and David won.
Really, believe me, you know, some of the powerfulest people in the world have children in that world that they love.
Why would you bet on Goliath when you got to bet David?
There it is.
That's for you, Pat.
But that's a deep conversation.
And that's, if you guys are going to have stuff like that on there, this is going to be a very interesting thing, Champions Corner.
Very interesting thing to give the perspective you gave.
Just even right now, the last 30 minutes that you and him went back and forth on that topic.
Mike, thank you for coming on.
Michael, thank you.
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