Tim Pool Breaks Down His Fall Out With Vice | PBD Podcast | Ep. 266
PBD Podcast Episode 266. In this episode, Patrick Bet-David is joined by Tim Pool and Adam Sosnick.
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0:00 - Start
3:18 - Tim Pool On Why He Hates Corporate Media
6:58 - Tim Pool On Schools
16:42 - Tim Pool Breaks Down His Fall Out With VICE
37:35 - Vice Media $400 Million Bailout!?
47:15 - Did Biden Manipulate The Employment Rate?
54:41 - Tim Pool On Why Vivek Ramaswamy Will Be a Great President
1:01:24 - Tim Pool On Why Trump Should Not Debate DeSantis
1:04:48 - Tim Pool On Chris Hayes's Attack On Trump
1.12:47 - Should We Ban Gender-Affirming Care For Youths?
1:28:23 - Tim Pool SLAMS Peter Thiel's Views On DeSantis
1:35.03 - Why Leftist Media Will Never Be Held Accountable
1:41:08 - Tim Pool On Why Trump Will Be a Great President
1:49:50 - Tim Pool Explains How Trump Would End The Ukrainian War In One Day
1:56:42 - Was U.S Behind Kremlin Drone Attack?
2:08:19 - Tim Pool's Wildcards For The 2024 Election
2:17:18 - Kanye West Fires Nick Fuentes From Political Team And Rehires Milo Yiannopoulos
2:26:12 - Tim Pool Roasts Sam Seder
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Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal bestseller Your Next Five Moves (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.
This world of entrepreneurs, we get no value to hate it.
I be running, homie, look what I become.
I'm the one.
So our guest today is kind of a big deal.
Okay.
I mean, if you go on YouTube, you're going to find this stuff.
He's all over the place.
He's loud.
He makes people think.
He pisses people off.
He's got a following.
Some days you love him.
Some days you hate him.
But no matter what, you're thinking about this guy.
And he's got another guy, Ian Ian A. Moon Lord.
Shout out to Moon Lord.
I'm learning about you as well.
You're 44 years old, which is an incredible age.
Very, very good age.
But let me introduce our guest, Tim Poole, his background.
He is an American political commentator and podcast host who first became known for live streaming the 2011 Occupy Wall Street protests.
He joined Vice Media and Fusion TV in 2014, later working alone on YouTube and other platforms.
By the way, this guy went from saying he's not a journalist, he's an activist, and he said he's an actor.
He's a journalist, not an activist.
He was a Bernie guy.
He's no longer a Bernie guy.
He'll support Trump.
So the best part about him, this is the best part about a journey that somebody will go through as you're getting your political ideas in place is to follow that journey to see how you evolve from you believing in this to this to that.
What caused that change?
I'm going to talk about that.
On top of that, we have to discuss what happened with Kanye West firing Nick Fontes.
I want to get your insight on that and replace him with Milo.
I think Milo actually made the phone call.
We'll talk about Tucker, whether it was a deep fake, what they're doing to attack him, your background in doing Occupy Wall Street, what that was like.
We'll talk about Bernie Sanders, RFK, what Ron Paul said about John F. Kennedy assassination, Vice, what is going on with a $5.7 billion company potentially going out of business.
But having said that, thanks for coming out, man.
It's good to have you.
Yeah, thanks for having me.
How you doing?
I'm doing good.
Doing well.
Well?
Doing well.
That's good.
Yeah.
How's Florida treating you since you've been here for like seven hours, eight hours?
It's been okay.
You know, Car Wendell didn't pull through.
So it's like we get here at two in the morning and then I'm just like half asleep.
Welcome to Florida, baby.
I hear you're a big DeSantis guy is what I like.
Big supporter of DeSantis, Jazz Jennings, all of this.
I hear you're like in a big way.
So we'll cover that as well.
But for some of the folks that don't know, take a couple minutes, kind of share your background, how the whole thing from the beginning, you know, to where you're at today.
Well, it all started in 1986.
Damn, seven years ago.
Mom, my dad.
West Virginia.
Look down.
I'm from Chicago.
Oh, shit.
And yeah, Chi-Town.
And Southside.
Family around the Midwest area.
My mom's from St. Louis.
But I started listening to punk rock music when I was a kid because for whatever reason, it was popular, which got me more involved in politics.
I think the internet got me more involved in politics.
I'm a young teenager online, seeing news articles pop up, reading about this stuff.
And then I started working for nonprofits when I was around 20 years old, trying to do activism.
I was, you know, listening to all the punk rock stuff made me very political.
Started working with nonprofits thinking like, this is the way we're going to change the world.
And quickly realized they're just businesses and they have a bottom line.
That's all that really matters in the end for most of them, especially the big ones.
And then Occupy Wall Street started.
I had been active in the hacker community.
So this is where the activist journalist thing comes in.
When I started doing this, I didn't care for whatever journalism was because journalism was corporate narrative garbage.
They would ignore what the truth was.
We'd have, you know, I'd have friends who were involved in some kind of worldly geopolitical action and the media would just be completely wrong about it.
I remember I had a friend who competed in the X Games the next day in the front page of the paper, completely wrong about what happened.
And I'm just like, I don't know whatever that is I am not involved with.
So me, you know, when I went down to Occupy Wall Street, it was information activism is what we referred to it as in the hacker community, collecting and disseminating information.
And then I was like, oh, that's what journalism was supposed to be.
You know, so when you, when you get those cross narratives and then you get a media ecosystem that doesn't care for the nuance, just writes a quick fires it off, you end up with, you know, like on Wikipedia, it says these things and it doesn't really explain the context of how these things end up happening.
So, you know, after like six months, I have these journalists say, you realize journalism is literally just collecting and disseminating information.
And I was like, oh, well, I grew up watching a bunch of people lie on the TV for special interests.
So that's what journalism was to me.
Right.
And now it's like, oh, okay, I get that.
I get that.
But with increasing notoriety from being Occupy Wall Street, being on the ground in namely with Berkeley, the conflict between Antifa and right-wing groups, I started gaining too much attention.
I went to Sweden, filmed like a two-week vlog covering the escalation of crime and stuff like that.
And then by the time I'm back in the United States, after a couple of years, it's impossible for me to go out and film anything anymore.
So this is maybe like seven or eight years into my specifically journalistic career.
I'm having people run up to me in these moments.
And instead of me covering what's happening, people are running up to me.
And I'm like, I can't do this anymore.
They're running up to you doing what exactly?
Oh, man, I'm a big fan.
It's a great job.
Or running up to me and swinging at me.
Oh, great.
So I'm like, okay, one or the other.
If I show up here, there's no more story.
I'm the story.
And so I can't do it.
And then that slowly caused a transformation into commentary podcast.
Because this is what I would do.
I would go down and I would stream.
The Occupy Wall Street thing specifically was a 21-hour straight live broadcast where the part got rated and I was there 21 hours holding up my phone.
People were bringing me batteries to keep my phone from shutting down.
And I'm doing live commentary in real time as all this stuff's happening to millions of people.
How old are you at the time?
Oh, man.
What was I?
25 maybe?
Hell yeah.
This is 2009?
It's 2011.
So I was 25.
And Tim, guys, a question about you from Chicago.
Your mom and dad, like blue collar, your dad was a firefighter, and your mom sold cars?
Yeah, so I mean, a lot of things.
My dad was a firefighter.
He was a former Marine.
He also did, I think, general construction stuff on the side, obviously trying, he detailed cars, whatever we could do to make ends meet.
My mom sold cars, but then around the time I was like nine, my mom put everything up to open a coffee shop, which lasted for about two years before not making it due to a lot of reasons.
Namely the corporate Starbucks Wall Street came in there.
Worse government.
Yeah, they tore up all the streets on the north side of Chicago.
And so there was no more foot traffic for a lot of these businesses and revenue went.
Great.
And then Tim had that.
And you left school at 14?
Yeah.
And then just went to high school for like two months.
You're just like, I can't, I'm done.
Oh, it's the stupidest waste of time.
Yeah.
You're not advocating not graduating high school, though.
Absolutely.
Really?
Waste of time.
There's this weird conflating of a high school diploma with a path to success.
It makes literally no sense.
Locking, taking someone who's 14 and saying, go into an institutionalized learning facility, which will give you no real world life skills for four years.
Talk about wasting formative years.
What I did, I was programming websites.
I was doing flash animation.
I was making video games.
I was playing music.
I was traveling.
I was skateboarding.
Traveling around the area of the city, meeting people and expanding my horizons while my friends were locked in a box learning for the fifth year.
Like, I can't even tell you if they learned anything because the reason why I was like, I'm done with this, I remember going to high school math class, we'll call it.
Teacher walks in.
She goes, turn to page 17 and do those problems.
And then walks out of the room.
And then we're all sitting around like, what just happened?
And that was Every single math class was that.
And I'm like, okay.
My favorite was sitting in a room in English class and having someone go, the teacher says, all right, everyone, turn to page 47 and we're going to read the story for Mark Twain.
And I'm sitting there.
And then, Jeremy, can you read?
The encyclopedia.
And so I'm just like, bro, I could read this whole thing in 10 seconds.
What am I doing here?
This is wasting my time.
So I just stop and go, I'm out.
Were you living with your parents at the time?
Yeah, with my mom, my parents were split up.
And then actually what happened was I'm 14 and they did this weird thing where they changed our schedule from in grade school.
It was 7.30 a.m. to 2.30 p.m.
Then they decided for freshman year at the local high school, we're going to do 10.45 a.m. to like 5.30 p.m.
And a lot of parents were upset.
They were like, this means that in winter, 14-year-old kids are going to be leaving high school in the dark.
Like that's crazy.
And so it was like a kind of a cultural shock for me at 14 because you'd get out of school at 2.30, you'd go to the park.
You'd hang out with your friends.
You'd come home.
It's 2.30 of the whole day ahead of you.
School got up.
Woo.
Now it's like I wake up at 6 in the morning because that's what the schedule always had been my entire life.
But now I'm sitting in my living room with my hands on my knees like daytime TV, people's cord is on.
What am I supposed to do with this?
Get to school at 10.45, get out at 6, and it's time for dinner, time for bed.
And so it was ridiculously stressful.
And then after two months of insane nonsense, not learning a damn thing.
I'm 14.
I'm halfway to school.
And I just sit down in the grass.
I started crying.
And then I got up and turned around, went home, called my mom and said, I'm not going to school anymore.
What did she say?
I can't really remember.
I think she said, okay.
Really?
What?
Your mom was just freaking supportive as hell in night?
I went from being a straight A student to a straight F student from grade school to high school.
And so my parents were already like, something's not happening anyway.
What changed during that time?
Like, did you have a life-changing event, a bad breakup?
Were you smoking weed?
Were you hanging out with some crowd?
Were you reading a new book?
Were you into something or no?
Nope.
Really?
Nope.
In my life, I've smoked weed a handful of times.
It just doesn't do anything for me.
It wasn't hanging out with a bad crowd, playing music.
But I think the big issue was since I was a little kid, my family's had computers.
I built my first computer when I was probably seven or eight years old.
It sounds impressive to the average person, but it's like I went to a thrift store, bought five pieces and stuck them together like Legos.
It's not the craziest thing in the world, installed Windows on it.
So my family's got CompuServe.
We've got AOL.
I'm online.
I'm reading about the president.
I'm reading about, I'm reading about the world.
This is Clinton at this point or Bush?
This was, I think this was Bush.
Yeah, this is shortly after 9-11, I think.
Yeah, I think so.
I think I was 14.
It's shortly after.
So I'm reading all this stuff online about what's going on.
Not a whole lot, but I was programming things in Flash.
I was making websites.
I was skateboarding.
In my life, I'm doing all of these things that every day was improving.
Learning how to use Flash to make a website.
And everyone's like, wow, you made a website.
Making an animation where, I mean, they're crude, Flash animations like Newgrounds.com stuff.
But every day I could see something more.
I started programming video games within five days.
I've made a rudimentary video game that's kind of like Mario Buzz A platformer where you play a little guy running through a factory and there's little monsters and stuff.
These are things that were tangible that I could see were being completed.
Then I go to school and they're tying my hands together and saying, sit down, shut up and do nothing.
And it was, it's like being locked in prison.
And so eventually I was just like, I'm not doing this.
I'm done.
You have kids?
No, no.
When you have kids, you're going to send them to high school?
Probably not.
No, probably not.
I mean, I'm like, I'm going to homeschool.
I plan on having kids, but they're going to be homeschooled.
Probably some kind of local pod learning thing.
You want kids to socialize with each other.
But I think kids should be learning from adults, not from kids.
And I think one of the biggest things that we do today as a society is we have children learn from each other.
We separate kids from their parents like cows and calves.
Then we put the kids in a box where they don't care for the teacher and the teacher doesn't care for them.
And then all of their social interactions are predicated upon other kids, the behaviors of other kids.
When I was growing up, my family at a coffee shop, all of my social interactions are with people in their 30s who are buying coffee and complaining about Republicans or Democrats.
So here I am.
I'm 10 years old.
And I like all I want to do is buy Pokemon when it comes out.
And I'm trying to save it for the tip jar.
But when I'm sitting there, the conversation isn't, did you hear what Billy said about Power Rangers?
It's, did you see what policy was passed?
I can't believe they're doing this.
And that's the stuff I'm absorbing.
The behaviors I'm learning from are adults in semi-professional settings.
They're at the coffee shop.
They're writing.
They're working or they're playing music.
My mom's showing me how to manage the business and the finances.
Then I go back to, this is I'm like, I'm like sixth or seventh grade, and all of the kids are imitating each other.
So what's going to happen when these kids grow up?
Well, I'm not surprised to find that I'm running a business and most of my friends are just working regular jobs.
They've not gone.
I'm not saying it's a bad thing that everyone has to do it.
I'm saying don't be surprised if you take a kid, you put them in an environment where they learn how businesses work and businesses run.
And when they grow up, they're doing those things.
You plant the seeds, those seeds will grow.
You're a similar story, right?
Well, not 14, but there's a part of what he's talking about that, you know, he's got a very big, good point.
I mean, what we don't know about is the following.
Tim, how old are you?
86 is what?
So 36.
You're 37.
Okay, so we don't know what it is to be 14 today.
Like, think about it.
We don't know what it is to be 14 today and how you're fed stuff and how you view the world when you're talking about, you know, you're in high school and you're going through it.
And, you know, we were at AOL chat.
Like, I'm thinking 1994 was AOL chat.
If a guy was on, if a friend of you was on AOL chat, hey, meet me in this room and you would go on.
I was like, oh my God, put on the AOL chat.
You wait like a couple minutes.
So things in journalism is changing in a very different way.
Think about today's Timpool.
Tim at 14 years old today.
What is that kid doing today?
What is he?
What route is he taking?
What's pissing him off?
What journey is he going to be going through?
Where 20 years from now, the next Timpool you're sitting in, he's telling us about what it's like to be 14 in 2023.
And we have to sit there and watch it.
I got an 11-year-old, nine-year-old, six-year-old, and a almost two-year-old in a month.
And I talk to them and ask them, so what do you learn in school about politics?
What do you think about this?
What do you think about that?
And with Tico, he can have a full-blown conversation with you at 11.
And he wants to have that conversation.
Dylan wants to talk Patrick Mahomes.
Dylan wants to talk sports.
He's a sports guy.
But it's going to be interesting to see what happens next 20 years with this.
So even with you, like, you know, you interview a lot of people.
You're in the streets.
They contact you.
I'm assuming a lot of the 14-year-olds and 15-year-olds today that could be the next Tim Post probably look up to you.
They see what you did.
Maybe some of them are watching the next citizen journalist.
What do you think is going to happen with how citizen journalism is going to evolve over the next 5, 10, 15, 20 years?
Well, so it depends on your definition of citizen journalism.
The original definition was when an act of journalism was undertaken by a citizen.
So when they started calling me a citizen journalist, it was an act of derision to separate me from the corporate press.
Citizen journalism was a guy's walking his dog down the street.
When he sees a burning building, he pulls out his phone, he films it, and then uploads it to Twitter.
He never thinks twice.
He goes on his day, and then CBS says, Can we use this footage?
What they did was they took a professional or independent journalist like me and many others who specifically bought equipment, who make money doing this, who sell footage, and they said, You're just a citizen journalist.
That way, when we would go to events, namely, I'm speaking at an event, they had guys actually stand up and question.
They had a panel of corporate journalists saying, Citizen journalism is not real journalism.
These people are not trustworthy.
You shouldn't listen to them.
It's just citizen journalism.
It was intended to diminish our work.
Undermine what you're doing.
Now, I would just call it independent journalism, independent media, and the corporate press is in absolute decay.
Vice.
I mean, what happened there?
What happened there?
Oh, boy.
Unpack that for us because you were there in 2014.
You know, this company goes from 5.7 billion.
Rob, can you go to their YouTube channel real quick and then go to videos?
Go to Vice.
You know, they got 16.8 million subs.
Do they?
Yeah, they got 16.8 million subs.
Wow.
So, okay, go right there.
16.8.
And then go to videos.
Go to the videos.
It has to be.
And then go to popular.
I'll explain it.
Go to popular.
Okay, so now watch this.
Zoom in a little bit.
Top most viewed video ever, 84 million, then 58 million, 50 million, 46 million.
Didn't these guys do Fire Festival, the documentary they had?
I think they had a list of.
How long ago are these?
Did you see the one at the top?
The world's greatest ass, the Brazilian one?
I've seen that a couple times.
Let me think that actually inspired you to want to go to Brazil to find out.
I've been there twice.
You got to find that out.
Let me just read these documentaries and then I want you to talk and tell us the story with Vice.
So, top 10 documentaries.
The Vice Guide to North Korea, 2008.
The Vice Guy to Congo, 2011.
The Devil You Know, 2019.
The Vice Guide to Karachi, 2011.
Heavy Metal and Baghdad, 2007.
Big Night Outs, 2015.
Teenage Exorcist, 2013.
Inside the Superhuman World of the Iceman, 2015.
The True Cost of Climate Denial, 2016.
Inside the Michigan Militia, 2016.
I mean, they've done some work.
So what happened with these guys to go from 5.7 to now bankruptcy?
I'll give you a mix of conjecture statements from people I know who work at the company and my personal opinion.
The reason I think if you look at their videos that have the most views, like the biggest ass in Brazil from 11 years ago is their number four.
A lot of these videos, I think it's because, one, I mean, some of these things are just overt sex.
Yeah.
Like, it's kind of obvious.
The first four.
Yeah, the top four.
And then even down below.
Yeah.
But here's what happens.
In 10 or so years ago, YouTube was panicking because Netflix was starting to steal its audience share.
I actually had a meeting with Google and they said to me, Netflix is our biggest competition.
And I said, if that's how you view it, you're in trouble because that's not what people are doing on YouTube.
My view was YouTube is the place where people go to see viral videos, to upload content, and it's a social media platform.
Netflix is a corporate channel.
If you want to be like them, then you're going to lose all of this.
Now, YouTube's doing fine, right?
But what happens with Vice?
Vice was producing these documentaries and putting them up on their website.
They did not have access to the big corporate channels.
They were outsiders.
Well, so what do they do?
They say, well, we'll put them on YouTube.
YouTube's a relatively new thing.
It had only been for like six years, been up around for like six or so years, and it was a way to upload for free.
So if you're running a business and you say, I want to upload this documentary, market our brand and sell subscriptions or advertisements, I don't want to spend money doing it.
YouTube covers the cost of that.
YouTube started putting these Vice documentaries on the front page.
And this is my personal opinion, having been my experience.
I'm sure there's probably more nuance to what happened.
With nothing on YouTube that rivals Netflix and YouTube desperate to compete with Netflix, they were looking for anything that could be seen as long-form content.
Vice puts up a documentary.
YouTube says, put that on the front page.
We need to compete with Netflix.
Instant, 50 million views.
That does not mean people actually were seeking out Vice and saying, this is the best content of the world.
It was, this is what was placed in front of me.
I watched it.
It was pretty good.
You ended up with a bunch of pretty cool things.
Like, I always reference the Scapola Mean Defense.
I love that.
That's one of my favorite ones.
It's scary as hell.
But think about what it is.
It's called The Devil's Breath, World Scariest Drug.
Go down a little bit, Rob.
On the left, see, the guys holding those things.
It's from Columbia.
There's a leaf that, Pat, you blow it in somebody's face and they lose all self-control and they don't remember nothing exactly.
They're saying like the government uses it to make people do crazy shit.
That's one of the best documentaries I've seen in a long time.
But their documentaries, it was a good show.
Yes.
The original Vice show, which then got bought by HBO, man, it's a whole very interesting story.
I think CBS wanted to buy it.
And this, again, a lot of conjecture from the people inside Vice who I knew who are high level.
My understanding was that they had this hit on YouTube, partially, I think largely because YouTube was recommending it because they needed long-form premium content.
Excellent.
The brilliance of Shane Smith, the businessman, is once he got those hits, he says, this opens the door to everything else.
They started shopping around the show saying, look how many people watch our show online.
That could be yours.
I think CBS, I think it was CBS.
I could be wrong.
It's been a decade, wanted it.
They said, no swearing or something like that.
Vinny, you're not going to make it.
I'm definitely not going to make it.
I'm done.
But this is Network TV.
And so their attitude was like, we can't be Vice if we're constrained and trying to be clean cut.
HBO said, you can do whatever you want.
However, I don't think HBO wanted to renew the show after the first year.
And the story I was told, again, I'm being very careful here, was that Shane, the CEO, just announced they got renewed anyway to create public pressure to force HBO to renew them because they had announced all the renewals for next season.
Vice was not one of them.
And then all of a sudden the CEO comes out and says we've been renewed for two more seasons.
I don't know if that's true or not.
It's just rumors from inside the office.
Maybe it's not true.
It seems like a crazy story.
But I was explicitly told part of that renewal was the show is no longer the wild adventures of Vice.
It is going to be a news magazine with diversity.
So we no longer want to see four white men.
We want to see women, people of color.
And so explicitly for me, I was told that that removed me from the running from being involved in that when they hired me because I'm too much of a white guy.
You should have just identified as a black woman.
I'm Korean and Japanese.
It doesn't matter.
They don't care.
They don't care.
Vice never said this to me explicitly other than they want us to have more women and people of color.
And then I'm just like, hey, how about this?
My mom's Korean.
They're like, I'm sorry, that's not what we can do.
Not Korean.
I mean, you have to look very, very discernibly to the white executives like you're not white.
Now, I'll tell you this as an aside.
When I worked for Fusion, they explicitly told me you cannot be part of what we do because you look too white.
Have a nice day.
It's racist.
Nothing you can do about it.
But the longer.
They straight up told you that.
Yeah, this is Fusion.
You're a great guy.
You bring amazing information.
Too white for us, though.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So it's tip tips.
Sorry.
So Tim, here's my question.
So you work for Fusion.
You work for Vice.
Basically, they're telling you to lie and push their agenda.
What's the, what was there, Vice?
Not Vice.
Vice was awesome.
Vice was dope.
So Fusion was a whole different.
Fusion started out awesome.
And then shifted.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So was there a moment, Tim, was there a defining moment?
Or was it a gradual thing that made you completely shift and become the Timpu we see today?
I mean, I think I've very much always been kind of who I am.
My dad was more conservative.
My mom was more liberal.
But we were very much like urban liberal Chicago family.
The reason why I wanted to work for Vice, I don't care for Democrats or Republicans, never did.
I voted for Obama, felt totally betrayed when he started bombing these villages.
I'm just like, it's just more war.
I saw Shane Smith, the CEO on, I think, Colbert Report, and he said, look, we're not Democrats.
We're not Republicans.
We're just storytellers.
We're trying to go see these things.
And I was like, that's cool.
Then I'm watching these videos on YouTube.
I'm like, that's cool.
I want to do that.
So when I'm on the ground doing this live stream stuff, I'm seeing this.
I'm like, this is clearly valuable.
It's getting a lot of traffic.
I don't have the best way to monetize it.
So I went to a couple different companies.
One was Vice, and I pitched this idea.
Vice, after eight months or so, agreed and said, okay, we're going to bring you on and have you do this stuff here in exchange for the live stream reporting.
We will do hosted documentaries with you.
And I said, that's great.
We did a bunch of really big ones.
I went to Ukraine, interviewed.
The one I'm most proud of is I was the field producer for the North Korean Motorcycle Diaries, which has, you know, 5 million.
I went and interviewed Kim.com, which was big for them, 5 million or whatever.
So that worked for me.
And I was excited for it.
But just to go back to what changed at these companies, when I was at Vice, they never told me, you have to say this, you can't say that.
And with the Kim.com, the man behind Mega Upload, which is what, 8 million views, they were sitting on it.
And I went to them and said, breaking news is happening.
That's why when it starts, it says before the release of this, this thing happened.
And then they were like, okay, we'll add that to the doc and then we'll put it out.
There was no beef.
It was literally, hey, guys, we have to do this because of this reason.
They're like, we hear you loud and clear, Tim.
Like, let's do it.
The main issue was as they launched Vice News, things started to become more isolated, more spread out, less when I first started, it was basically like I walk up to the executives walk in the room.
I was like, what's up, guys?
Fist bump.
And then within a year, it was, they're too busy.
They got money from Murdoch.
There's a massive expansion happening.
You're going to be now dealing with this guy.
And so my attitude very much was, that guy is beneath me.
Having me, who's bringing, who came to you negotiating specifically a new methodology and technology for reporting, now report to a guy who has no idea what's going on has created clutter and confusion and resulted in chaos.
Who is that guy?
I'm not going to say his name.
Okay, but he's a guy that replaced Shane or he's a guy.
No, no, no, no.
He was a guy who was brought in to like manage.
But did he come with a background?
Like, you know, sometimes they bring you a leader.
Oh, so they promote it within the company.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And so they said, you're going to run this thing.
And so.
Was he a guy that had credibility amongst others in the company or not?
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, except for the fact I think he got fired for sexually assaulting or something like that.
I don't know.
But that's another reason why Vice went woke.
So people are at Vice, they know who you're talking about.
The people who are listening to this literally.
Okay, they don't know who you're talking about.
Okay, so he comes in, you're like, this guy's beneath me.
So that was kind of like he didn't know what he was doing.
Define that.
Define what it means he doesn't know what he's doing.
He didn't know how social media worked.
He didn't know how scheduling videos worked.
He didn't know when people watched videos.
Got it.
He had a bunch of ridiculous ideas and he was allowed to do them because he was friends with the boss.
And that put me in a position where I'm like, quite literally, the world where I grew up and the things that I've built are now, I now have a roadblock between me and the mission because this guy was threatening to quit.
This is what I was told.
He was threatening to quit.
So then they said, well, we'll promote you.
So then I go to the CEO and I said, yeah.
And I said, here's what I want.
Here's what I need.
And here's what I can give you in exchange.
He says, agreed.
I had three of these meetings.
I would come back and I'd say, when I came here, I said, I want X in exchange for Y.
I am not getting what I asked for.
And he says, I'm sorry.
We'll take care of you.
Handshake.
Shane's a great guy.
And the problem is, you know, what is it called?
The Peter Principle or whatever.
You start putting less competent people as they get promoted to the company to the point of incompetence.
And so I remember one day I go to Shane and I'm, and he's, he's pissed off.
He's dealing with a bunch of stuff.
And I said, I said, I need these two guys hired if we are going to do what you want me to do.
These two guys are the only guys I know who have this expertise in mobile live stream, news reporting, field reporting.
And he goes, okay, looks at this dude and says, hire them.
Okay, done.
Bye.
We leave the room.
The moment we walk out the door, this guy turns to me and goes, I'm not hiring anybody.
And I was like, this guy's a huge waste of my time.
So I remember it was particularly satisfactory when I quit that company because that's just, I guess that's part of what happens.
You know, you start expanding.
It becomes more and more corporate.
Then the CEO says, get something done.
And the guy says, no.
Well, well, you know, you kept him around.
That's your problem.
And the guy ultimately got fired, I think.
I think he got fired because he was sexually harassing women, but everybody knew he was.
He got me too, but it was legitimate.
I mean, the stories I heard before it even happened was like, I don't think anybody liked that guy.
PBD, let me ask you, based on this story, this seems to be a perfect case example from barbarians, the bureaucrats, no?
Like a bureaucrat was put in.
He's a flag carrier.
Shane Smith, CEO.
How much truth does that ring?
Well, you have to realize the media space.
By the way, Shane at the peak was worth $1.6 billion when the company was worth $5.7 billion in 2017.
He owned 28% of shares.
I think he's at $50 million today, but he was $1.6 billion at one point.
And Disney used to put $100 million, hundreds of millions of dollars into Vice at one point.
And Disney was going to buy Vice, if I'm not mistaken, at $3 billion in 2015, give or take.
Again, these numbers can be verified on what I'm saying.
Here's a part.
On the creative side, like if you look at all the case studies of different media companies out there, right?
You have to look at them closely.
So there is operators, there's creatives, okay?
The creatives that have to operate and grow the company, there are very few of those guys.
Like Musk is a creative and he can operate and grow a company, right?
Let's face it.
Okay, look at Shapiro, what a smart thing he did.
So he's a talent.
He's a brain.
He's not duplicatable.
This is a guy that was going to be the, you know, grew up wanting to be the Supreme Court, you know.
So he says, listen, hey, boring, you operate.
You're also creative, but you're an operator.
You run Nashville.
I'm going to be over here in, you know, Florida and I'm going to be creative and we're going to make this work and grow the company.
And then there's a money guys that are from the Texas people.
So when a creative gets to a point that he no longer knows how to operate, you have to step aside and bring somebody that's fully qualified to operate who can earn the respect of the talent that knows what they're doing.
If you bring somebody that doesn't earn the respect of a talent that's doing the work, that doesn't know the basic day-to-day stuff, you know how annoying it is to work and report to somebody like that?
It's the most annoying.
I don't know the story.
So all I'm doing is I'm trusting what you're telling me.
So I'm not in the inside.
I don't have friends' advice.
But I've heard a lot of good things about this guy.
I've heard this guy was a guy that people actually liked working for.
I don't know the whole story.
Him and I have never had a conversation together before.
But to go from that size to now where it is today.
So another question for you with profile of Vice.
So you know when you work at ESPN, they have a certain profile on who they recruit that does well at ESPN.
They all stand up tall.
They all got their shoulders perfect.
Stand up.
They're six feet tall.
Hey, so today we're going to look at the highlights of the Lakers.
Look what happened with LeBron, James, and Antonio.
They got a certain thing that they're looking for.
Profile, who they recruit, Columbia University, where you come from.
Boom.
You fit perfect in here.
Profile for Fox, profile for this, profile for that.
What was the ideal profile of people they brought into Vice?
Was it rebels?
Was it, you know how CIA sometimes, we got friends in the CIA.
We've had a lot of them on the show here.
Who do they hire?
Preferably somebody that doesn't have, maybe got some ties with parents.
You don't have anybody you're really living for.
There's a part of you that's willing to risk it all.
You're not that tied to anything that emotionally somebody can, there's these profiles you look at, right?
What was the ideal profile of somebody they brought in by at their peak, at their peak?
I was only there for, I was like, they're there for about a year and a half.
I don't want to, you know, they had 20 years before I was there.
But I think if you look at me, the obvious answer is hipster-ish, post-punk.
Was there a lot of guys like you in there?
But what do you mean by guys like me?
Hipster punk, you know, like, you know, you're because I'm like a weird, weird guy, but I would say confident, capable outsiders.
Confident, capable outsiders.
That's what I'm looking for.
Yeah, so it's tough to describe.
I mean, they have hipster-ish kind of people.
They had roguish people.
Around the time I joined, and this is obviously how it was going, they took the $70 million from Murdoch, I think it was News Corp or something, and then started firing the OGs and bringing in LinkedIn professionals.
And that really changed a lot.
You know, they had, without getting too specific, because I want to keep people to their private, give people their privacy, but there's like one guy who clearly would not be in a New York media company handling this part of the company and with the company for a really long time, 70 million bucks come in, they axe him in two seconds and then go on LinkedIn and then find some professional from a corporate news channel.
And now she's running the show.
Does that affect culture within the company?
Yep.
And I think, yeah, I wonder.
For one, I think Shane Smith is a really good guy.
Anybody who actually was good at their job and was capable had no issues with him.
It was the people who were lazy and incompetent that would complain.
It's like, dude, that's anybody complaining about their boss.
But I've heard nothing but good things about him, and he took care of the people around him to a great degree.
But as he starts rising up and the company's expanding, a separation starts to begin between the leader who has built the confidence of his people and now these subordinates who generate no confidence at all.
So I don't know.
What was your question again?
I was more looking at the profile part.
So you said confident, capable.
Well, like young hip people, you know what I mean?
Yeah.
Are you charismatic, young, and were a lot of people like you who came knocking on the door saying, I'd like to be at Vice?
Or did they go looking?
That was it.
So was more people wanting to be part of Vice Pro?
Yeah, Shane, Shane, I think, publicly stated it was a cult that I'm pretty sure he was.
Most big companies are, though.
I mean, Apple was a cult.
Most of these companies that make it to that size, they have that kind of a feeling.
I think he said something like, when people started begging him to work for him, saying they would work for him for free, he realized he had something.
And there was that Supreme Court case around interns that made them get rid of a whole bunch of the unpaid labor that they did have.
But when I quit, every single person in media was shocked.
Like that I knew.
I'm not saying like literally everybody media outlet was talking about.
I'm saying like the people I knew, agents, networks, my friends.
Why would you quit Vice?
Are you crazy?
This is the company.
And I was just thinking like, no, look where they are now.
You know what I mean?
I don't think Shane's unhappy.
He's still worth $80 million or more.
He cashed out $30 million.
He's got more money he can ever spend.
And he said that.
But my.
Did you see the writing on the wall ahead of time?
It wasn't just the bureaucrat that you were dealing with at the corporate level.
You said that.
At what level?
I'm sorry.
At what time frame?
Like at what point did you know the writing was on the wall?
I mean, the changes that were happening implied chaos, right?
We built this office then a week, you know, a few, several months later, well, it's a different office now.
We're going to move this office here.
Now we're going to move it back.
And I'm like, they're spending tens of millions of dollars on a $30 million in New York.
Then they bought another portion of the building.
Then they're planning on moving.
I'm like, it doesn't seem like there's a long-term plan here.
And the other issue was one of the things that Shane's really, really good at.
I remember talking to a friend after I left.
They have what's called the state of the union at the company.
And this is a story as it was told to me.
Could be wrong.
He comes out and he says, ladies and gentlemen, we got our cable channel.
And everyone, ah, and they're all screaming and cheering.
There's pizza, beer, and ice cream.
And so my friend is talking to me.
And he says, I'm going to be running news production for the cable channel.
And I went, wow.
So what are you moving to Toronto?
No.
What do you mean?
I thought you were going to work on the cable channel.
He's like, I am.
And I'm like, oh, okay.
So are you going to be living in Toronto?
And he goes, bro, why would I be living in Toronto?
I was like, it's a Rogers Telecom deal.
It's a Canadian cable channel.
And he was like, huh?
You see, what Shane was really good at was assumptive language.
He said, we got our cable channel, creating the idea in the minds of the employees that Vice was the biggest and the best and they were going to be on American terrestrial cable networks.
At the time, it was Canada.
It was 30 million people at max and 20 million households.
But the employees that I knew, well, they made the mistake of assuming they were going to be American cable television.
So he was really good at rallying and boosting morale and making people think they were on the mothership of the greatest media empire on the planet when in reality it was like, you know, a nice sized yacht.
But you're not the $100 million yacht out there with Bezos on it.
You're the $15, $30 million yacht that can carry 20 people.
What was he doing before Vice?
Shane?
I don't know.
I was only there for a year.
I don't want to act like I got it.
But I know that.
If you pull up the article I just sent you, I just sent you an article from yesterday, Wall Street Journal.
I don't know if you saw this.
You've probably seen this.
Vice Media nears a deal for $400 million sale, go down a little bit out of bankruptcy.
No, no, let me just read at the top.
I'm sorry.
I was just saying to be able to read the top.
Yeah.
The media businesses talks to sell itself to top lenders, Fortress Investment, and Soros Fund man.
Soros fund managers.
Isn't that weird?
Reorganization.
Assumption would wipe out other investors.
Now look up $250 million debt financing Soros Vice.
Stay on that real quick and then go back, go to the $250 million.
Let me just read the bottom and then go to that.
Go up a little bit.
I just want to see what else is yet right there.
Fortress, $400 million managers, nearly every Vice stock holder, including backers such as private equity from TPG 6th Street and Mogul James Order, would be wiped out under the proposed organization.
Wow.
People familiar with the matter.
Outstanding debts held by TPG 6 Street would be impaired as part of the plan.
The people said the Murdoch family is a major shareholder in their journal parent News Corp.
The planned seller of the company of its lenders would value Vice at around $400 million, including debt.
The people said a steep drop from $5.7 million.
Okay, now go to the $250 million.
Vice Media gets $250 million debt funding from George Soros.
And so this is debt funding.
So what they're saying now is that $400 million evaluation includes the debt he already had.
So what does that mean?
Not to mention, earlier this, I think it was earlier this year, they got $30 million in debt financing.
I imagine it might have been from Soros.
So we're talking about they're sending on $280 million in debt.
But does that $400 million evaluation mean that Soros Fund is buying the company for $120 million?
Right.
Right.
Because he's not going to pay his own debt back.
Assuming the debt and however much they may have paid back.
So people point out the Soros thing, and I'm like, yeah, that was four years ago.
But my view of it was there was an article that came out a long time ago.
And it was a little cartoon animation they made of Shane Smith with a frying pan and a book in it.
And he was flipping it because they said that he was cooking the books.
And what they accused him of doing, I don't know if it's true.
Okay, I'm just saying this is a big narrative.
that he would do this very clever thing where he would say, this year, we put a billion dollars on the books.
What does that really mean?
Well, to the average person who doesn't know much about the industry or business or finance or deals, they think he added a billion dollars in revenue.
When what he's actually saying is, we did a 10, 10 year, we did a 30 year deal.
I love this one.
I just gave a guy, this is what the casino does near me.
They say, you could win $1 million if you enter this raffle and the bottom in fine print, it says $25,000 a year for 40 years.
Oh, great.
Great.
So they're going to give you two grand per month for 40 years.
Maybe the average age of the person at the casino is not going to live for 40 years, but they call it giving you a million bucks.
Very, very clever financing.
Greatness is marketing.
But that's an annuity, though.
Most life insurance, most lottery winners get an annuity.
The point is, though, when you are told, enter this contest for a chance to win a million dollars.
And what they're actually saying is $25K a year.
It's a very, very different.
You think you get a million dollars.
What I'm saying to you is what they're telling you is we're giving you a million dollar annuity.
That's what they're saying.
An annuity is, you know, when you win the lottery, if you win $100 million, if you take the whole thing up front, you're going to get taxed, what, 50%?
Yeah, you're going to get 40%.
You're going to end up getting $50 million, I should say, $40 million.
Versus you take an annuity and you say, I'm going to take this $100 million over a 40-year period.
Okay, then you're going to get $2.5 million every year for 40 years.
That's an option and you pay less taxes.
The point is, if I walked up to the average person and said, if you buy a raffle ticket from me, you could win $1 million.
They're not expecting to get $2,000 per month for 40 years.
They think my life will change.
I'll buy a house.
I get that.
I just think that part, you know, there's a lot of things.
I don't, again, I don't know these guys.
I don't know what they're doing.
My concern is a whole different concern.
My concern is.
If you go to an investor and say, we need $100 million to expand and we just put $300 million on the books this year.
What do you think that investor is thinking?
I mean, look, any savvy investor is going to be like, what does that mean on the books this year?
But there's a clever thing that was being done in media in the 2010s where it was called ad rights assignment or ad rights sales.
All of these media companies would take their gold standard brand they'd pay for.
Let's call it Splice.
Just a random word related to an unrelated company.
And they would say, get 30 million views per month.
They would then go to another website that generate a click farm.
You ever see those articles where it's like, you won't believe where the celebrity is now?
And it's like 25 photos.
You click it, and then there's 800 ads and one picture of Tom Cruise.
You click next, it loads a new page.
That's click farming.
That is the worst.
And then now you're seven pages in.
You're like, I got to go.
Where the hell is Tom 18 million?
Where the hell is Tom Cruise?
Where's Tom Cruise?
Here's how it works.
And it probably still happens today.
Splice would go to that company and say, sell us the rights to sell ads on your views.
And they would say, you got it.
Splice would then say, the 50 million garbage views from that trash website are now a part of Splice views.
They would then go to advertisers and say the Splice Network gets 80 million views per month.
Don't you want to be a part of it?
The advertiser thinks they're buying the gold standard of content.
What they don't realize is their ads are being assigned to a garbage clickbait website no one actually reads.
Your beef is it sounds like it, at least on the surface, sort of a bait and switch type of deal.
But here's what's fraud.
But here's what I love about what you're saying.
And a lot of people do this.
They all did it too.
Yeah, he's absolutely right.
And by the way, there's another magazine that we were trying to buy six months ago.
Tom and Mario, you know about this one here.
We're on a call with them.
And remember back in the days when people would buy fake YouTube views and it would show 17 million views, 17 comments.
I said, dude, you did not get 17 million.
And you could buy these views.
I'm like, well, I'm going to go buy views.
I'm going to go buy views.
And then Twitter, you can buy a million followers for $5,000 and you're getting two retweets or one retweet, right?
He knows this.
This was run.
And even when I don't know what Gingrich or they did an Obama thing on his followers, 75% of the followers on Twitter was fake or whatever the number was.
This was on one of the elections that took place.
But here's the thing: if you do that, say you sell advertisers.
There's this magazine that sold this show to a big phone company, okay?
And I'm listening to the pitch and they said, we got 28 million views.
It's the number one show.
It's competing with Shark Tank.
I'm watching the show because I was invited to be one of the hosts on the show.
I'm like, guys, I know YouTube.
You know YouTube.
This is how you're selling it to this phone company.
Yeah.
You're not getting these views.
As a YouTuber, I know.
Show me your ad cents on the back end.
How many, if you're saying this thing got 70 million views, how much money did you make on this?
How many adverts?
How did you get 70 million views, but only 28 cents on revenue on this video?
The point becomes that strategy that a lot of guys did in 2010s, and he's right, a lot did it.
They did it on YouTube.
They did it on Twitter.
Today, you know what the advertisers are finally listening?
They're learning.
Okay, we'll test you out for one ad, two ads, three ads.
Dude, we got no conversion.
We're not coming back.
And then if you have a reputation of people dropping you over and over and over again, all they're going to say is, yeah, these ads don't convert because you have just as much of a job if you bring in a sponsor to convert theirs.
He knows this, as they do.
They may give you $100,000 or $200,000 or half a million dollars, but they're expecting, is this going to convert or not?
But what if then you get those 70 million views or whatever, disable comments, and then you go to a network and say, our show of 10 episodes got 7 million views each.
Oh, we don't like the comments because people have hate speech.
Well, if the advertisers want to do that, then advertisers, the network buys the show from you.
I get, no, no.
Well, then the network who buys the show have to go in the category of qualified morons.
And that's totally fine.
And that's going to happen as well.
There's a lot of them out there.
Yep, and it happened a lot.
It happened a lot.
No, you're right.
It happened a lot.
And a lot of people got money.
And, you know, let's not forget what YouTube did just two and a half years ago, three years ago, when they said you can no longer put the thumbs down or when Biden was speaking, the thumbs down was gone.
You couldn't see comments were disabled.
And nobody wanted to, even today, when they go on C-SPAN or some of these different places, comments are disabled.
You can't see any design.
That's a different story.
That's because a lot of yesterday is something was posted on.
Can you go to Biden's Instagram?
I think it was Biden's Instagram, Tim.
I don't know if you saw this or not.
They posted Joe Biden on his Instagram about job creation.
I don't know if it's, let me see if it's that or if it's White House.
If I find this, I show it to you.
It showed as Joe Biden being the greatest job creator ever in the history of America with presidents.
And then all you have to do is go in the comment section.
That's all you have to do.
If you go in the comments, there it is.
I see it.
You found it?
No, not that one.
It's this one here.
I'm going to send it to you.
All you have to do is go in the comments section.
Oh, there it is.
No, go to, not that one.
Go to the Instagram one that I'm on is P-O-T-U, POTUS.
Not Joe Biden.
Go to POTUS, POTUS Instagram.
Watch this.
The comments are the best.
It's the best.
So go right on the middle one right there.
So you see this look where it shows.
Jobs created by president per month.
The GOAT, Joe Biden.
Look at that.
Trump.
Terrible Obama.
Bush, Clinton.
Doesn't tell the whole story that COVID happened the last year of Trump.
And then read the comments.
Zoom in on the comments.
Zoom in on the comments.
Okay.
Zoom in, go up after him.
These are not cherry-picked.
They're just comments.
Trust me, Bruce.
Let's first read what the POTUS said.
This is what happens when you invest in America.
We have more work to do.
But this is real progress.
Source.
Trust me, bro.
Now, show me a line graph of total jobs still.
Employment rate before pandemic, 61.5%.
Now it's 6.5%.
You're not creating anything.
Society just covering it up.
I would love for you to define the world create, the word created, BC created and restored are two different things.
By the way, if I tell you 99% of the comments, there's a guy that says, trust me, I'm a Democrat and you're lying.
He says, go look at my profile on my Instagram.
I hate Trump.
I hate DeSantis, but this is a lie, right?
So advertisers.
That one right there, bro, this isn't even accurate.
I'm not a Republican.
But by the way, there's 50 of these in there.
That's not just one of them.
Chart is a bit misleading.
You've got to spend 30 minutes going through all of it.
The point, the great thing about what's going on today is the following.
Here's a great thing.
Remember that one song?
It's Friday, Friday.
I don't know.
Worst song ever.
Rebecca Black Black.
I'm like, why am I even listening to this song?
This is driving me insane.
I'm listening to Friday.
It's Friday.
And then you're like, dude, look at the comments.
It was like the worst dislike, you know, thumbs down video ever on YouTube.
She broke the record and they interviewed her.
165 million views.
How many?
See, it's not going to show the thumbs down.
That's what I want to see.
You can pause it because we don't want her to say, yeah, I now get the rights for this video.
But the point I'm trying to make is the following.
The great thing about what direction we're going, God willing, if we go this direction, the fact that Instagram allows for comments till today and doesn't allow them to, and they don't even do it yet, because you could do it on Instagram if they wanted to block it.
YouTube would block the comment section.
Ads that they were manipulating, making money in 2010s.
Now you can't do it and get away with it.
All of this stuff is getting in the direction of transparency.
Hopefully, if they can pull this off, that's when you realize who's doing it right and who's not doing it right.
Yeah, but do you think it's like, because mind you, there's a huge majority that believe everything that this guy is saying, whatever this administration is saying, he's the frontrunner and all that, all the lying.
Like if you watch the White House briefings, Tim, Corine Jean-Pierre, she's just blatantly lying every single day about the border and everything.
And not one, not one, only one, Peter Doocy once a while.
Nobody ever goes, excuse me, you're full of shit.
Nobody's doing this.
But she said the other day, the responsible thing the president had to do, it was not fair to have the kids stay home.
You know, the president makes the right decision to let them back to school because it was hard on, you know, what are you talking about, lady, right?
With all this stuff.
No, the point, all the stuff I'm talking about.
Yeah.
And he's talking about Vice and Soros.
Yeah.
My biggest concern isn't some of these things that's going on.
My biggest concern is who's picking up all these media companies.
No one on the right went and picked up Vice.
Not at all.
Who picks it up?
Soros.
And then the more and more and more these guys pick it up.
And now Fox loses Tucker, fires him for whatever reason, the sun.
By the way, what is your interpretation of what's going on there with Fox and Tucker?
I mean, I don't know.
Just from what I've seen of the reports, there's a couple of different theories.
Rupert Murdoch was threatened personally by Tucker because his fiancé was saying he was a prophet.
And then the wedding broke off and then Tucker gets fired.
The fiancé said Tucker is a prophet?
That was one of the news reports that came out.
That apparently they had a dinner.
Then Rupert Murdoch's fiancé is saying like, oh, he's a prophet.
He's a genius.
Oh, God.
And a month later, he's like, you got it.
I'm the prophet.
Yeah, I think from a business perspective, if you own a brand and then you hire a personality and the personality is becoming bigger than the brand, any CEO is going to get rid of that person.
It's a threat to their brand.
That's it.
You think so?
Yeah.
I don't know about that.
I think Murdoch.
I don't know any.
Murdoch, my view would be that Murdoch is saying Fox News is the company.
If we're at a point where people are saying Fox News is doomed because of one man, that man should not be at this company, even if it means it hurts us in the short term.
In the long term, Fox News needs to stand on its own.
Yeah, you have a point there.
And the reason why I say I don't think any, because I think Kraft, Robert Kraft of the New England Patriots, for every, you know, one person that knows Robert Kraft, a thousand people know Tom Brady.
And he was very comfortable with Tom being the show or Belichick.
He kept those guys.
And Jerry Buss, if you think about Jerry Buss, Jerry Buss was a playboy, you know, in LA.
He was always at the clubs with the girls and all this stuff.
He was the guy you wanted to party with.
He was a big real estate guy.
In 33 years of owning the Lakers, they won 10 championships.
And he had the magic bigger than Jerry Buss.
Kobe, bigger than Jerry Buss.
Shaq, bigger than Jerry Buss.
Pat Riley, bigger than Jerry Buss.
I think there are some that can do it.
Obviously, at this phase, I don't know the internal side of the story here, but to have a girl that you're dating for to do it.
He's also 92 years old.
What is it?
Messenger from God?
You know what Rupert said?
I am God.
Yeah.
If he's a messenger, I am God, right?
Anyways, so, you know, we're going to see what's going to happen there with, but some of these Republicans or conservative, as much as they bitch about what's going on, and look what Soros is doing.
Do you see how dark Soros is?
Look at all these media.
Stop.
Either buy him or be quiet and stop bitching about it.
He's going to keep buying him up.
You have money as well.
So you're just using your money to buy real estate and other bullshit.
You can also pick up some media to control your own narrative and competing.
And all you do is 24-7.
Yeah, but look what Soros is doing.
Look what this guy is doing.
We're putting our money on the line.
Some companies are putting their monies on the line.
So let's go play ball.
Other companies are sitting there saying, look how dark he is.
Put up some money.
You have money.
You know what Musk did?
Musk took $44 billion and bought Twitter at the worst possible time.
At the worst possible time.
And what did he call it?
I'm running a freaking nonprofit organization.
Right?
So these are the kind of, and by the way, think about at the time, who has Elon Musk dated, by the way?
Low-key, who has Elon Musk dated?
Grimes.
Oh, my God.
I mean, he's dated aliens.
He's dated.
He's dated everybody, right?
Well, he is one.
But the point is, look at Musk's life.
Okay.
This guy's got an incredible life and he chooses to go buy Twitter.
Thank God.
And then it hurts Tesla stock.
It hurts this.
It hurts that.
And he doesn't give a shit because he's actually a freedom fighter.
If you look at him.
Now, you know, so some of these other guys, maybe if you're, you know, you think some other guys are going to get involved and want to replicate what he's doing.
Like, you know how Bezos was being a little bit vocal towards Biden like seven months ago.
I don't know if you caught that or not.
And you think more guys are going to say, listen, guys, if you're going to do something about it, let's go playboard and put up the money or just be quiet and stop bitching about it.
I talk about this quite a bit.
There's a lot of people who will act like culture warriors concerned about free speech and government who are very, very wealthy and then don't do anything.
There are some people who do literally everything.
Vivek Ramaswamy, I think his net worth is around half a billion or whatever.
He not only starts a venture capital firm to compete with ESG to oppose it, he's trying to run for president.
I'm like, this guy's outright like, I'm going to put, like Elon Musk, we're going to throw it off.
Respect to him.
And he's a fighter.
I love it.
I'd vote for him.
I'd vote for him 100%.
Listen, like he is a better version of Andrew Yang.
I agree.
He's on steroids.
He's Andrew Yang on steroids.
Yeah, like, you know how Andrew Yang, I'm an entrepreneur.
I'm like, how big was your business?
Have you had an exit?
But I'm an entrepreneur.
We're like, okay, cool.
Let's scratch.
This guy's made money.
How did you make your money?
What did you do?
All this stuff.
Vivek's like, no, I built a multi-billion dollar, you know, bio, da-da-da.
And here's where I'm at right now.
And he writes the books and he goes out there.
And by the way, do you see how fast his Twitter and his audience is growing?
Do you see how many people are looking at this guy saying, damn, this guy is great at explaining it?
You know, he's great at breaking things down.
He's one of the guys that during this season, every time there's a run, a new star is born.
I think this guy is a star being born.
Just a few months ago, he had 40,000 followers on Twitter.
You know what his story is?
He's working at, he's building this multi-billion dollar biotech company.
The BLM riots happen.
They come to him and say, hey, you should put out a statement or change your profile picture or whatever.
And he's like, oh, okay, yeah, for sure.
Because he's like, whatever.
And he puts out the statement where it's very neutral.
We should come together and put an end to the violence.
And we're all Americans here.
Apparently, they came to him and said that was inadequate.
It was bad.
And then within a month, he had board members resign.
I'm probably ruining the story to a certain degree.
He told me the story.
And so here's my vision of Vivek Ramaswamy.
He's just, he's an entrepreneur.
He just wants to start a business.
He wants to create something of benefit.
He wants to help mankind.
And then he starts getting beaten over the head by this woke ESG corporate garbage that costs his business money and friends.
And he didn't even do anything.
He actually agreed with them, but not enough.
I think what they did was they went to a guy of tremendous intellect, means, and capability, insulted him and spat in his face.
And then he just wiped it off and said, you've declared war.
I love what he's doing.
By the way, you know, whether he does anything in this one or not, I hope he doesn't go away.
Me too.
He is the kind of guy that the opposition doesn't want to debate because he's super brilliant, sharp, history, and made money, and is an entrepreneur, and he's got a background, immigrant family story, all of that.
The profile is an anomaly.
And he knows how to deliver the message properly.
Hopefully he gets more inflation and more.
And not just that.
I had him on my show, the Culture War podcast, which is a new Friday show I'm doing.
And he's sitting there and he goes, you know what?
I probably shouldn't say this.
I'm going to get in trouble.
There's got to be some civic requirement for voting.
And he talks about various ideas.
One of the ideas that we like to talk about is service guaranteed citizenship.
It's an idea that is a reference to Starship Troopers.
In this story, if you want to vote, you have to give two years of service to the community in some fashion.
Either it's not necessarily the military service.
It could be working at a library or something.
Don't get Pat started on who he thinks should vote.
But so one of the ideas that Vivek brings up is maybe when you fill out your selective service card, you get a voter ID, and that is the bare minimum requirement.
You fill this out.
You don't have to fill it out.
You could say, you know what, I'm not going to sign up for selective service.
And men or women are both required to, but when you do, now you can vote.
There's got to be some standard.
I'm like, that's a particularly brave thing to say if you genuinely believe.
I think when he was talking to me in an open format, just what do you want to do?
Why he wants to do it?
It felt real.
It felt genuine.
I could feel the emotion of, I'm like, they figuratively spat on this guy who, and now he said, then I will return fire.
I will go to war with you.
And he's speaking about what he genuinely thinks and believes.
I told him this.
I said, look, I don't think you're going to win.
But I do think you're going to make the conversation better.
And I do think you're going to positively change this country by standing up on a debate stage, saying everything you just said and making DeSantis or Trump answer to it.
It's so funny you're saying this.
I was just going to say that, Pel.
Do you think he'll make it on the stage?
Let's get into that part.
It's funny you're saying this.
I did this video in 2014, April 15, 2014.
Rob, if you can pull it up on YouTube to show it to him, and I broke it down.
And so many people were pissed about this video.
It was a video titled Earned the Right to Vote.
Okay.
Earned the Right to Vote.
And everything was about you.
I don't care if you're 40 years old, 20 years old, or 14 years old.
I think a guy that's 14 years old that's paying tax, we don't need to play the video.
I'm not going to do this here.
Nice jersey.
I don't care if you're 14 years old and you're paying taxes, you have more right to vote than a 26-year-old staying at home who's never paid taxes.
You can't vote.
So it became, you have to pay a minimum of amount of taxes to have the right to vote.
I like that.
And then if you did a few things, your vote is actually two votes.
Oh, wow.
If you serve the military, you get an additional vote.
If you do this, so the more you contribute to society, the more of a voice you have, the less you contribute to society, the more, matter of fact, if we ever ran a country, you know what our tax system would be?
It'd be progressive, except the other way around.
Oh, really?
You know what that means?
You know what it means, progressive the other way around?
The more you work.
The more you contribute, the less you pay, because I'm thankful for you.
We're thankful for you.
But the less you use your talents to contribute to society, the more taxes you pay.
So the people that don't use their God-given talents get taxed at the highest level, the people that contribute their God-given talents and go above and beyond, you get taxed the least because you're making our life easier because you're creating jobs for everybody.
So Vivek's thinking, if that's what you said he was telling you about voting and all that stuff, he's going to piss a lot of people off.
I love it.
But I love it.
He's lighting it up.
But that's what I respect.
I'm like, for a politician or someone who's running to come out and be like, there's got to be some kind of civic requirement, that shows a lot of honesty.
Rob, put the link to this below.
If people want to see it, they can go by.
They're going to disagree with a lot of things I talk about.
But anyways, you were going to ask a question saying, do you think he's going to make it on the debate stage?
So let's talk about that because I'll read an article and then I'll give it to you, Tim.
So Wall Street Journal story comes out about Trump being afraid to debate.
Okay.
Of course, Trump is afraid to debate.
This is Wall Street Journal May 4th, just a couple of days ago.
And it says, reports suggest that Trump will skip the first few Republican primary debates because he's leading.
His competitors are trailing and he is scared of being up there on the stage for two hours in an uncontrolled environment with a group of people who are gunning for him while Trump supporters think in terms of wrestling and believes that attacking Trump will hurt their chances.
The presidency requires a fight and Trump should be challenged like any other candidate.
Republicans who are soft Trump supporters need to begin to see that the American people won't let that man back in the White House because of the fraudulent attempts to subvert the election, culminating in the violent overrunning of the U.S. Capitol.
Most of those around Trump know his problems, such as bad judgment, little understanding of history, and disordered ego.
They're for him for their own reasons and believe that the Democrats and the media are worse.
What are your thoughts on this on what's going to happen with debates?
I think Trump has no reason to debate anybody.
He's a big dog who's pulling at the top.
But I think maybe afraid isn't the right word.
Maybe smart is a better word.
Trump knows that if he gets on a debate stage with DeSantis and Vivek, it's going to be bad for him.
Just in terms of he's already pulling at the top, there's no benefit.
And even if he does well, it only gives them more airtime.
That makes it my personal opinion: I think Vivek Ramaswamy would run circles around DeSantis and Trump at the same time.
He knows way more about this.
He's a fast talker.
He's quick-witted.
He, you know, Trump might, you know, oh, Ramaswampi over here.
I didn't come up with that, by the way.
Someone else came up with that.
But it's still good.
But, you know, he'll do the insults and stuff.
Of course.
Look, man, going up against Jeb Bush, Ted Cruz, and like Rubio is not the same as DeSantis and Ramaswamy.
So Trump really should avoid that.
Really should avoid that.
If I was advising Trump, I would say, do not debate these men.
You will lose.
Because there is nothing to gain.
You're the big dog, right?
You got a 40-point lead.
Why do it?
And I'm saying Trump could actually perform very well, but he just would not be able to perform well enough to, he would just lose.
He could only lose from the circumstances.
So that's your counsel.
Now, what do you think he'll do?
I think, I don't know, it's tough, right?
Because what you can go to him and tell him, like, you probably shouldn't do it.
He probably will because he loves the stage.
Oh, yeah.
He loves a fight.
And maybe he's hearing this going like, then I have to beat him on the stage.
Then I have to do it.
If they think I can't, it's not that I think Trump can't win a debate with these men.
It's that he's going up against extremely competent individuals who are going to, you know, who are going to put weights on his ankles.
And you already know the media is against him.
So if he doesn't show up to these debates, how much negative ammunition?
He's chicken.
He's scared.
Remember back to the future?
Like the one word you couldn't call Michael J. Fox was what are you?
Yellow.
All of a sudden, Trump's scared.
He's a chicken.
Biden's not going to debate either.
No, but he's going to stay in the White House.
He's not going to come out.
I think I'd like to see Biden debate RFK, Marion Williamson.
I'd like to see that.
I think we're in hot water, negative territory.
If the front runners, the incumbent president and the former president, just do not debate whatsoever.
I don't think that's a good look for either candidate.
I think what the media has done to RFK and Marion Williamson is disgusting.
But, you know, obviously, I hate the corporate press, so I despise them.
They're evil people.
So that's not shocking.
Talking about corporate press.
Chris Hayes says CNN's Trump's Town Hall decision hard to defend.
This is a Hill story.
MSNBC's Chris Hayes criticized the CNN's decision to host former President Trump in a live town hall event next week, saying he finds it very hard to defend the choice to give him a live platform, no matter how it is dressed up.
CNN announced earlier this week that Trump will participate in town hall event in New Hampshire.
Moderated by CNN anchor Caitlin Collins.
Hayes warned that giving Trump live airtime poses a risk that he might give out personal information about the DA or say something that cannot be unsaid.
MSNBC has previously opted out of live coverage of Trump's events.
I think Rachel Maddow was the one that says he is speaking right now, but we don't want to have any of the misinformation.
We're going to tell you what he says, but we're not going to err.
Despite Trump's past criticism of CNN, he is reportedly looking to rebuild a media relationship as he runs for re-election 2024.
Do you agree with Chris Hayes?
It's a cult.
These people are in a cult, and the cult is large, and you can't pull them out because they're on social media.
But one of the most powerful tactics a cult use is to separate you from external information.
When you go back and look at all the news coverage of Donald Trump, you can conclude a few things.
If you come from my background, it's, man, this guy's kind of a dick.
You know, Trump's a boisterous, loud man.
He's rude to a lot of people.
But those things they claimed he did, he did not do.
My favorite example, one of the earliest is when they zoom in on him and he throws food into a koi pond with Shinzo Abe of Japan.
Then the media just goes nuts insulting him, saying how crass, how uncouth.
Turns out they edited the video so that you could not see Shinzo Abe dumps the food in the koi pond, and then Trump nods and then does the same thing.
And that seemingly innocuous.
But the goal was every step of the way, they were falsely representing what it is Trump said or did to create an impression in someone's mind that was not Donald Trump.
He's a lot of things.
But the best example, of course, is Joe Biden launching his campaign on what we call the Verifying People hoax, where Donald Trump said, you know, in Charlottesville, there were verify people on both sides.
And I'm not talking about the white nationalists and the neo-Nazis because they should be condemned totally.
But you had some people who thought the statue should not be torn down.
What does Joe Biden do?
Completely alters the context, puts up a fake video to lie to people.
So then you end up with people like Chris Hayes.
He's in a cult.
He might actually be an orchestrator of the lies, probably is.
But when he goes out and says, you should not hear what this man has to say, don't trust people who say that.
I will tell you this.
Anybody listening, you should hear what everyone has to say.
Make the decision for yourself.
I'm not your boss.
I'm not your leader.
I'm just some dude on the internet.
You can hear what I have to say.
You can tell me I'm wrong.
You can insult me and call me all the names in the world.
I respect that.
Anybody who tells you, no, no, no, don't listen to that guy, they're probably tricking you or lying to you.
Yeah.
So Tim, when you say, like, because you were on, I think Brian Sharp was on your podcast.
You talked about the evil group of people that are secretly controlling the world.
Do you think, as we said, yeah, I think you did.
Who did that?
Brian Sharp was on your, on your, on your podcast.
Just about evil people running the world.
You mentioned when you said evil about these people, do you think it's just generations of families that are just keeping this power?
Or is it genuine evil that is out here?
I don't think it's generations of families.
I think there is an emergent effect that exists throughout humanity where people inherit seats of power.
And then, you know, the way I've described it is you can have a president who seems hopeful and seems fantastic.
The moment they sit down, they're handed a stack of papers by the deep state, by the CIA, and they go, oh, okay, now we're going to keep blowing up kids in the Middle East.
So, you know, one of the things I think, especially now with the narrative from Tucker Carlson and Ron Paul about JFK being assassinated, the joke I've made is that the president gets in to office and then he says, I want to end this war.
And then, you know, his head of the CIA just slides a photo of JFK right onto his desk and says, no, you don't.
And then he's like, okay, I'm joking, obviously.
But that's what Tucker says.
So when Media Matters loves to pull things out of context and then lie, obviously they do it all day.
It's what they do for a living.
Here, I'll read the quote.
Not that it's not a censorship question and people expect me to say Jews or something.
No, I'm talking about like the Davos group, powerful corporate interests.
These are people of all different backgrounds.
So I mean, like, what is the implication here that they're trying to put on me?
I'm quite literally saying this was related, I think, to Kanye West.
I'm like, the idea that it's Jewish people who are doing these things is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard because we looked up the banks and like the CEOs of all these big banks are like white Irish guys.
And I'm like, people just want to find a group of people to blame.
But what I think it is, Disney, who currently runs Disney, Bank of America, who currently runs, someone works a job.
They get the promoted or appointed.
And these people then just follow like cogs in the machine, something that is the banality of evil.
So there's malicious evil, there's the banality of evil.
I think someone like Ocasio-Cortez is maliciously evil in that she intentionally decides to cause pain and harm to people.
For example, she told a story about January 6th where she said someone knocks on her door.
She goes and hides in the bathroom.
She's thinking they got to my office.
You know, I'm going to die.
She hears someone say, where is she?
Where is she?
Turns out it was a cop and they were evacuating the building.
What ends up happening is conservatives come out because many of them don't do their research and they said, hey, wait a minute, AOC's office isn't in the Capitol.
The media then does fact check.
There are tunnels that connect the Capitol to AOC's office.
That's why she was scared.
And then I come out and say, double fact check.
The story she told took place one hour before the Capitol was breached.
She made the whole thing up.
I'm sure a cop went to her.
I think a cop did go to her office, did knock on the door, did say, where's AOC?
And that was because they were evacuating that particular building an hour before anyone breached the Capitol.
And it was over the pipe bomb scare.
So when she tells a story and says, they got me, they found me, or something like that, she is lying to you.
She intentionally chose to lie.
Now you've got the story of the guy who had 40 arrests, who kidnapped a little girl, who punched a 64-year-old man in the face, who broke a 67-year-old woman's nose, who threatened people on a train saying, I'll hurt anyone, and I don't care if I go to jail.
And three people, three New Yorkers, said, we must subdue this man.
And in the process, the man lost his life.
What is AOC now doing?
Demanding the victims go to prison.
I think that's maliciously evil.
Now, back to the evil group of people who ruined the world.
I think it's more the banality of evil in that it is commonplace, it is destructive.
And the funny thing is, if you actually took the conversation that Media Matters is so upset about and brought it to your average leftist, they would completely agree.
Corporations are gutting the earth.
They're destroying our forests.
They're causing massive pollution.
Yet, when I say it, they try to frame it as though I'm referring to some conspiracy or cabal.
Yeah.
Vinny, did you have a rank bottle?
No, That was right.
Look, I love that because that's because I mean, we were talking about the spirituality of it.
Like, even with Tucker, Tucker's last speech, but I forgot where he was, Pat, what dinner?
Where he was just like, listen, there's negative people out there, and it's like, you got to protect our kids and this heritage.
Yeah, it was all about, to me, it's just a battle of good and evil.
I think you make a great point.
So let me ask, let's talk about Jazz Jennings.
You've been on this Jazz Jennings thing.
Oh, yeah, and I got choice words for you.
This Santa.
If you want to, Tim, if you want to just go from the beginning, I this morning I watched her video from 11 years ago.
I don't know if you've seen her video from 11 years ago.
Go type in, go on YouTube.
And if you go on YouTube, and for some of you watching this that you don't know who Jazz Jennings is, go to YouTube and type in Jazz Jennings and then go solve for views.
Go solve for views.
Something should come up with 11 million views.
Go to filter views.
Something should come up with 11 million views or so.
Let me tell you, go down a little bit.
Go down.
It's a CNN story.
It's 11 years ago or 10 years ago.
Go up the other way.
Go up, That one right there, teenager 11 years old.
Yeah, ABC.
So, you know, so that one right there I watched this morning and the way she pitches it, you know, at six years old, she knew she was a, you know, he knew he was stuck in a man's body and it was a she.
And then mom and dad supported her going through the transition.
And, you know, and then she takes all these pills and everything.
And she see, you know, mermaid, she swims like mermaid, but it's a boy.
This guy is now.
So parents supported that.
Anyways, take it from here to where it's at today.
He's not put on 100 pounds.
I think he weighs 240 pounds, 230 pounds.
He responded to a lot of comments that were said on her channel, Matt Walsh, Shapiro, a bunch of other guys.
What's your biggest frustration with Jazz Jennings and DeSantis in Florida?
So the simple version is: I think Jazz Jennings is the victim of severe psychological and physical abuse from her family.
I don't mind using pronouns for someone like a transfer person.
I have friends who are trans.
The pronoun thing is nothing to me.
Jazz, you can't be six years old and decide to permanently sterilize yourself.
And that's what happened with Jazz Jennings.
Jazz will never have children.
Jazz underwent puberty blockers and hormone replacement therapy, which resulted in an inability to reproduce and actually have what I would just keep family friendly and call adult sensation.
The left likes to respond saying, How weird that you would bring that up, bro.
I'm not here to be shamed.
I don't care.
We're talking about the future of this country and what we are determining to be a good or bad thing.
So if you watch the videos of, well, let me slow down.
Jazz Jennings was three years old.
They said they thought Jazz was trans.
At six, Jazz says, obviously, you mentioned I'm trans.
I believe at seven years old, they're showing jazz off and the family is doing press and stuff like that.
Jazz, the puberty blockers prohibit the development, the adult development of a human being in terms of their sexual characteristics, which results in a bunch of very, very serious and severe complications.
The reason this has become more pronounced in terms of like the reason why we're talking about it now.
Several years ago, when discussing the issue of kids and trans kids, I talked about how I felt jazz would eventually come out and be what we would describe as a straight male or something to that effect.
What happened was Jazz before the age of puberty was saying on TV and things like that that she was attracted to boys.
After this age, around 13 or 14, Jazz says, I'm pansexual.
I'm attracted to everybody.
Today, Jazz is dating women, at least according to the reports.
I'm unsurprised to hear that.
Jazz is biologically male.
I'm not surprised that a biological male is attracted to females.
That's 98% of biological males.
So when you look at a story like that, then you go back to the story of John Money.
John Money was, I don't know even what to call him.
He was a doctor who took two children.
Sick name, by the way.
This is a horrifyingly evil man who tortured children.
Okay.
Not a good guy.
Not a good guy at all.
There were two children, David Reimer, of course, and I think David and I forgot the brother's name.
So they were twin boys.
One had a botched circumcision.
John Money went to the family and said, gender is a social construct.
If we surgically alter the baby, we can raise this male as a female and they will never know the difference and they'll live a happy life.
John Money then forced these young children to engage in simulated sexual acts on each other.
They both ended up killing themselves.
When you look at a story like that, you have some concerns about David Reimer eventually committed suicide at 38.
It's very sad.
And his brother died of an overdose at 36.
So maybe they weren't twins.
Maybe I was wrong with it.
When you look at a story like that, you have concerns about whether or not we should surgically or medically alter children who can't make these decisions for themselves.
If a six-year-old comes to you and says they know something, it doesn't necessarily mean they do.
So I'm not going to pretend to have all the answers.
But now when you look at the story of Jazz Jennings, where we currently are, and my issue particularly with the DeSantis administration that wanted to make this a fight, I'm here.
Here's what happens.
A video emerges more recently.
Jazz Jennings has become morbidly obese, severely depressed, suffering from very serious mental issues.
Jazz Jennings' mother says on the show that she wakes Jazz up in the middle of the night, grabs the dilator, lubricates it, and says, if you don't stick this in your vagina, I will.
Now let me explain to you what a dilator is.
When someone undergoes what they refer to as bottom surgery, it creates a permanent wound that is not an insult.
That is not meant to be derisive.
It is a fact statement.
The wound attempts to close.
Trans people have to use what's called an acrylic dilator with lubrication to force it into the wound to make sure the wound does not close.
The purpose of this wound is so that men can penetrate it with their penises for sexual gratification.
If Jazz is not engaging in this dilation, I would make the assumption that Jazz is uninterested in keeping this wound open.
Jazz's mother is on television saying, I wake her up in the middle of the night and say, if you don't stick this in your vagina, I will.
In another clip, Jazz's mother says, if she goes off to college and that thing seals up, I will wring her neck.
And a lot of people are like, oh, it's a turn of phrase.
And I'm like, I don't care, okay?
If you have a child, now an adult, who has undergone all of these surgeries and Jazz had several complications, very serious complications, where because of the puberty blockers, sexual characteristics do not develop.
You can then not perform an actual, what they would call a penile inversion vaginoplasty to create a wound for the purpose of sexual gratification of, if a trans person wants to have sex, right?
You can't do it.
I look at this and say, okay, look, I don't know where we draw the line on whether or not Jazz as an autonomous adult is going to say they're satisfied with their life and we should stop there.
I simply put it this way.
If I'm in my apartment and I hear a man and a woman yelling and I hear pounding and yelling, I mean, you might want to investigate.
You know, you hear a woman screaming, like, ah, you might want to call the police.
I'm not saying you do every single time.
You don't know what's going on.
But I'm kind of concerned about if you hear muffled screaming of a woman and a man yelling at her and then banging and you go, I'm sure there's two sides to this.
I'm going to mind my own business.
That's not me.
That's not my moral framework.
My moral framework is either I go knock on the door and ask him if everything's all right, or I just call the police and say, look, it sounds like this guy might be battering this woman.
Cop might show up and they were like playing a game of Twister or something and she's playing a race car game.
Who knows?
Who knows?
When you have a video where the mother says to Jazz, and this is part of the viral video that came out, you are your own worst enemy.
Jazz says, I'm depressed.
I don't feel like myself.
I keep going negative.
The mother says, I know you are your own worst enemy.
I'm like, well, that sounds like psychological abuse.
In and of itself, not that much.
When you then have a video of the mother saying, if you don't stick this in, I will do it.
Well, that sounds like a threat of physical force against a person who is rejecting this medical practice you're imposing on them.
If you then say, if she does not, I will wring her neck.
You combine those things.
I'm like, I think this woman is severely brutalizing this individual.
Does that not warrant the DeSantis administration to humbly knock on the door and say, is everything okay?
Can we speak with you privately?
It may be ultimately that Jazz Jennings says, this is fine.
You're belonging out of proportion.
Does this not warrant the DeSantis administration to say, hey, TLC, we'd like to see the footage that you have because you've been documenting this family for a decade because we're concerned about potential abuse that's going on.
Instead, what happens is when I tweet this video and said, where's Ron DeSantis?
This is all happening in Florida.
I get a response from Christina Pichaw and Jeremy Redfirm, the press people for DeSantis.
Ron DeSantis doesn't have a time machine.
He can't go back five years and prevent this from happening.
And then they turn it into this, how dare you criticize Ron DeSantis?
You're a grifter who wants clickbait.
And I said, okay, you know what?
Here's where I'm at.
I'm sorry, Christina and Jeremy and the DeSantis administration.
I had no idea.
If in Florida, a person can go on television and say that they're going to force a dilator into a wound of their child.
And if they don't do it, they're going to wring their neck.
If that is legal and acceptable in Florida, I am sorry I made the mistake of thinking there should be some kind of inquiry into whether or not that could be abuse.
Well, my question for you guys, I suppose, is play the video and then ask me if you think this warrants a simple question being asked with a knock on the door.
But with her, I'm worried about like her mental well-being and her dilation.
The minute she leaves my house, we have a dilation problem.
That is a concern.
We don't have that watchful eye.
They tend to go back to old patterns.
I have woken Jazz out of a dead sleep and taken the dilator and put the lubrication on it and said, here, you take this and you put it in your vagina.
If not, I will.
But Jazz is bad, even when I'm home once a day.
How old is Jazz?
22.
Can you pause this?
Wait, wait, is that the mother right now?
That's the love.
No, no, Keep playing the rest of us.
Goes away in college and that thing seals up.
I wring her neck.
Imagine.
What a demon.
Now, what do you think?
Imagine Jazz Jennings.
What show is this on?
What channel is this on?
It's TLC.
I think it's called I Am DeSantis.
I got a few questions, legally questions I'm going to ask.
Okay.
I know you're going hardcore at DeSantis with this, and he's got a million things he's dealing with.
I'm even going, I said, where's Ron DeSantis?
I get that.
Let me just kind of give you my side.
And trust me, if you watch our podcast, some people would say, we're not a DeSantis podcast because I challenge hardcore marketing book launch.
Anyways, I'm not going to go there.
All I'm saying to you is, so number one, TLC has a legal team, okay?
Before TLC thinks this is okay to put up, their lawyers have to say, no, we can't put this or else it's going to be a lawsuit, okay?
So every media that size is going to have something like this.
Like when you publish a book, you've done this before where the Salmon ⁇ Schuster lawyers will come out and say, yeah, this story, you have to use a different name.
You can't use this person's name because it's going to be Allah, so we want to have nothing to do with it.
Okay, great.
So you can go independently, you know, launch it or you can go through them, but their lawyers is going to have that call with you.
So check.
I don't know what TLC did.
Their responsibility.
Number two, if Jazz is 22 and she is defending in that one reaction video she made, she says, my mom's the best mom in the world.
No, she didn't do anything wrong.
I'm not regretting any of my decisions right now.
She did the right thing because I'm so glad she did that.
I'm just a depressed person.
I'm just going through hard times of my life.
I've always been like this.
And so she defends that.
So that kind of is, if you're saying the person next door that you go to husband and wife, it's loud, you know, what's going on?
I want to go defend.
And then she said, well, we're just having rough sex.
And that's, we do that every night.
So unless move your apartment to a different place, or you're going to hear this every now because this is how we have sex and we're ever happy about it.
What do you say now?
Okay, you cannot defend it.
So if the daughter, who's now 22, an adult, is saying this, that's not something that, you know, they can do anything with.
You know, if it's a kid, to me, the concern is five years ago, if it's 22, that's why they're saying five years ago because she was 17.
Yeah, at that time, you're 100% right.
I don't understand, my problem isn't with TLC.
My problem is the 11 years ago ABC showing it with the verbiage that they're using, making it seem like this is okay.
And then now this person's being turned into a hero as a mother, and other people are watching this, and you're hearing stories about how Dwayne Wade to defend DeSantis.
If there's anything that you're getting with people that have trans kids, DeSantis is running Florida, okay?
Dwayne Wade comes out and is being interviewed.
I don't know if you saw this one or not just recently.
And he says, well, you know, I just, you know, as much as I love Florida and, you know, we love the no taxes and a lot of great things over there.
We have a lot of great friends.
I just didn't feel safe for my child and all this other stuff.
And now we're going to move in.
They're living in LA right now because he's doing a whole Hollywood thing himself, Gabrielle, all that stuff.
Great.
That's a choice that he made.
But that to me would be the ultimate example of what a job DeSantis is doing with the state of Florida that he's forcing people like this to say, like, where does Jazz Jennings live right now?
Are they living in South?
South Florida.
Broward Virtual School, by the way, is 15 minutes away in Coconut Creek.
You can go there right now.
And the mother.
He's good.
And the mother, the whole family lives here.
That's where they're at?
I believe so.
Yeah, yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
So for them, go ahead.
Oh, no, I want to, you can finish.
I'm sorry.
Yeah, TLC, the lawyers, the age, where she's at today, DeSantis, five years ago.
Let me give you a hypothetical.
If you saw a video of a father, an adult man says, every day I wake up my daughter and I grab the penetrator and say, you stick this in your vagina or I'll do it.
Would you arrest, would you go and be like, okay, hold on there a minute?
Like, let's go have a conversation with this family.
I would contact that media company to say, what makes you think this is normal for you to play?
And I would want to investigate the parents that are doing that at the time.
Yes.
Knock on the door, knock on the door.
Is everything okay here?
I mean, that sounded kind of like, what's the context of why?
Now, I understand the response is the dilation is a medical practice that jazz must do.
But if jazz isn't doing it, does that not imply jazz is uninterested in doing it and saying you're going to wring their neck or hold or do it before?
Before you get it twisted, I understand exactly what you're saying, and I'm with you.
I mean, there's no point.
Let me address the law enforcement thing.
Victims don't prosecute.
The state does.
The victim is not necessary in the prosecution of a crime.
If the police are made aware of a crime, it does not matter what the victim says.
If a woman is battered by her husband and there is a witness, the police can say, ma'am, I understand you're claiming it was just rough sex and you do it all the time, but we have witnesses saying he was beating you in the face and they will still, if they choose to arrest that man.
I don't know about that.
This is not a strong case.
The reason why it's not a strong case is because there's thousands of videos like this of parents who have said things like this about their kids and people take it as a joke.
To me, this is catastrophic that the mother is turned into a hero.
To me, that mother is a disaster and a menace to society because other mothers look at her as a, what do you call it, as a hero.
So I would say, I understand your argument.
I understand what you're saying.
Somebody.
My argument is knock on the door.
I didn't say criminally charge him.
And for one thing, on the Twitter front, I said, where is Ron DeSantis?
You know what Christina and Jeremy could have said?
Hey, Tim, Ron DeSantis made this illegal.
We'll take a look at what you're talking about.
Thank you.
Have a nice day.
Instead, they turned it into Tim's a grifter and a liar.
You know, Ron DeSantis doesn't own a time machine.
I don't even know about that part.
I don't know.
That's like a non-speaker.
We had Pusha here before, and I'm not here defending Pusha.
Last time I spoke to Pusha was the last time she was here, so I don't know whatever that time frame was.
No, but my argument back to you is with that, yeah, could they have handled in a different way?
Sure.
If you and I went and interviewed top 100 most liberal Americans who are all about this transgender community, and we asked them, Name me the number one state or governor that you feel the least safest to be able to do anything you want to do with trans and LGBTQ and teaching kids about these types of things at an early age.
I'm willing to bet $100,000 that 100 out of 100 will have Florida in their top three.
Agreed.
Yeah.
So the point is that that credit goes to the guy at the top that's getting a lot of heat for what he's doing to fight some of these battles.
Matter of fact, I'll give you an idea.
So Peter Thiel, who is a supporter of Ron DeSantis, comes out and says, Peter Thiel likes Ron DeSantis for president, but has one worry.
This is a Daily Beast story.
Has one worry.
What's the worry that Peter Thiel has?
This is a very smart guy.
Peter Thiel, Republican mega donor Peter Thiel sees potential in Ron DeSantis saying that the Florida governor would make a terrific president, but he did say that he liked DeSantis as the GOP nominee with one stipulation.
If he's a Republican nominee, I will strongly support him in 2024.
But I do worry that focusing on the woke issue is ground zero as ground zero is not quite enough.
DeSantis' war on wokeness has been the crux of his political platform as of late.
He infamously touted Florida as a place where woke goes to die in a January speech.
Support the anti-LGBTQ policies, such as the Don't Say Gay Bill Law, have largely defined his tenure as governor.
In fact, it's that very law that landed him in the ongoing feud with Disney, which has drawn the ire of old school conservatives who believe the governor shouldn't be so willing to piss off a big corporation.
Okay, fine.
So he says this, yet his friend Dave Rubin moved his podcast here and lives in Miami.
Feels safe over here.
Dave Rubin's very close to Ron DeSantis.
Dave is part of the LGBTQ community as a man that identifies himself as a gay man.
And we've had him on.
We were just with him, I think, two weeks ago or something like that.
And we like Dave a lot.
Yeah, a lot.
So even a Peter Thiel saying this, and Peter Thiel said five years ago, if I was moving here from Silicon Valley, I would have gotten a house for nothing.
Today, whatever you paid for a house in Miami is now four times the price.
There is no point of moving from Silicon Valley here to Miami because the houses are just as expensive as they are in Silicon Valley.
This is something DeSantis is going to be able to do.
Steal Silicon Valley, by the way.
So again, what he is saying, he is saying the people that don't like it are leaving.
So this kind of validates a part of, you know, that that community, the whole woke thing, I think a lot of parents are sitting on it.
Listen, he got criticism for the whole six-week thing with the abortion.
That was a, a lot of Republicans said, what are you doing?
Like, I talked to wives and mothers, and they're Republican.
They're conservative.
They said, what was the point of doing that?
That was like the first time we saw he missed the mark when he did that.
You didn't need to do that.
There was no winning with that.
Did you end up winning the biggest, biggest, biggest conservative Republicans?
What percentage is that?
5% now, 10%?
You didn't need to do that.
Fine.
He missed that one.
But in this year, parents are liking the fact that there's somebody who has the audacity to go up against the Disneys, to go up against what they're trying to do in schools.
So there is a community that's supporting what he's doing, but even Peter Thiel's giving them some criticism.
I think Thiel's wrong.
I mean, you look at the double ditch, you look at the million vote victory margin for Ron DeSantis as governor.
You look at the mass exodus from New York and California into Florida.
And then I think second place is Texas.
Ron DeSantis is the best governor this country has.
Right?
I agree.
So me saying where it stands on the issue of Jazz Jennings being horribly misconstrued to imply that I'm like, I think he's doing a bad job.
I think he's doing a fantastic job.
The question is, on this one moral issue that's been having to go viral, what's their current position?
That it's too late, that the abuse that may be happening ongoing in Florida, it's too late.
I think the issue is it's a very, very dangerous subject.
You know, Ron DeSantis and his administration are willing to tackle these issues loudly and clearly, but not a mainstream celebrity personality.
It's too much for them.
They can't handle that kind of heat.
That's not a consideration for me when it comes to an issue of morality.
So you're saying he's afraid to go after mainstream media.
You think Jazz Jennings is that big of a mainstream person?
This guy's going after Disney.
Then why no knock on the door?
He's causing the greatest Miami heat of all time to leave Miami, bro.
Why the negative reaction so heavily from his PR people?
Maybe they have looked at it with their legal team and they're saying there's nothing here.
Why don't they say that?
Maybe they don't want to say it for different reasons.
Maybe they don't want to say it because they're dealing with other things.
Maybe they're sitting there saying this isn't something that we want to tackle right now.
So why not just not respond at all?
By the way, if there's anything I will be on the same page with you, I don't think they have the best marketing team.
So that's a whole different thing where for me, I think they can hire a much better marketing team than what they have right now.
I will criticize that nonstop all day, you know, until they either hear it or they do something about it.
This marketing team is not going to take him to the next level.
They need a real market.
Like you need to hire real marketers.
They don't have marketing.
They're playing the safe game.
It's too protective.
And it's kind of like, let it rip, let's go.
So when Trump was facing the indictment, Ron DeSantis, here's what I'd do if I was governor.
And I'm not saying I'm right about everything.
You can say I'm wrong.
I'd have got up at the podium and say, mark my words, there will not be an extradition of Donald Trump from my state.
No finger will be laid on this man.
Thank you and have a nice day.
Instead, he's like, I don't know what goes into paying off a porn star.
I'm not going to be involved in this.
And I just thought that was particularly weak in terms of, you know, so what do I like about Trump?
The reason I'd vote for him, not because I think he's the greatest leader we've ever had.
I think his foreign policy has been absolutely fantastic considering the presidents we've had in the past.
Obama, like blown up kids, like Abdul Raman al-Alaki, a 16-year-old American citizen we murdered.
Anyway, Donald Trump's going to fire everybody.
He wants revenge.
And I think if the one thing I can get out of the next presidency is the purging of the bureaucratic class, this country will be better off for it.
I don't know if Ron DeSantis would do that.
I think he's a negotiator.
I think he's going to go in and say, how can we make this clean?
And it's going to be like Trump's first term all over again.
They're going to attack him.
They're going to smear him.
They're going to lie.
They're going to get their key positioned people to sludge everything up.
I think at this point with Donald Trump, he's unleashed.
He's so angry.
He's been slighted.
He's been lied about.
They've impeached him.
They're trying to criminally prosecute.
They're prosecuting him in New York.
They're trying to get him in D.C. They're trying to get him in Georgia.
Now they're accusing him of a 30-year-old rape case.
I mean, these people are relentless.
And almost every single time these stories turn out to be fake or even worse, it's them.
I mean, the Alpha Bank Russia stuff was a lie.
Trump being a Soviet asset.
Jonathan Chait, congratulations.
That was the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard on cable TV.
All of it a lie.
Ukraine gate, Joe Biden saying, if you don't fire the prosecutor, you're not getting a billion dollars, which he admitted to at a CFR meeting.
Everything they say about Trump turns out to be misconstrued.
I think Trump gets elected.
He walks in and says, I don't care how.
I don't care why.
We are going to terminate these people.
We're going to send them out with nice little boxes full of their belongings, and we're going to figure out how to do it.
He wants Schedule F. That's the number one thing this country needs right now.
I don't think DeSantis does it.
So I got a question for you with that.
So Fox is now paying, what, $787 to a Dominion, whatever the number is.
That's a big number.
They're paying the biggest ever, 20% of their savings, $4 billion in a bank.
They're paying $787.
There's a lot of different stories.
Why?
Tim, all of these things that they got wrong on the left, Russia collusion, you know, he did this.
I mean, one after another after another, impeaching him twice, just trying to publicly humiliate him nonstop, right?
The vaccine comes two days after election.
You know, everything was timed in such a weird way to want to hurt the guy.
If Fox is paying $7.87 and CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, all of these guys kept talking.
Russia, Isn't that a case to sue them for fake news and make them do similar thing that happened with Fox?
And if yes, why don't they do it?
Oh, I mean, they're so much better at this than conservatives in the right.
If you come out and you make a statement that is opinion about Donald Trump, who's going to, what are you going to sue?
We got Times v. Sullivan.
You're not going to get anywhere.
Fox News made statements about a massive multinational corporation.
Well, a massive multinational corporation is going to fire back with all of their resources and they're going to win.
You mean Dominion and this?
Dominion.
Right.
And not to mention, I think.
And there's also the SmartMatic lawsuit that's happening right behind that on the heels of that.
These Fox personalities who came out and made these claims or pushed them or brought people on.
It's just these are fact statements about companies that had limited basis in reality, right?
Limited in that they'll take a morsel of truth.
They'll stretch it out.
I think Fox was interested in fanning the flames of their base to tell this story, and it backfires.
You get a similar thing with CNN and MSNBC, but these people are very clever in how they do it and how they've always done it.
Selectively editing a video and targeting Donald Trump.
Okay.
Donald Trump as an individual is going to have a lot harder of a time suing 17 news organizations.
But here's the best part.
Fox as the only news organization or the principal news organization that was having these conversations about Dominion puts them in a particularly weak state.
There was a story that NBC News wrote about me that was fabricated.
They then deleted the source from the article.
However, too late, several other articles copied the story and reposted it, creating a circular news reference where, hey, look, man, we didn't say it.
We reported that news organization A said it.
You can't sue us.
And they'll say it's a fact statement.
If I file a lawsuit against them, it's going to cost me $100,000 for just launching the suit against all these different organizations, 17 of them.
And then all they have to do is say, Your Honor, we are simply reporting what the New York Times said.
It is not our statement.
And the New York Times will say, Your Honor, we're simply reporting what Washington Post said.
And the Washington Post will say what NBC said.
And NBC, NBC will say what the New York Times said, creating a circular loop of lies that it's impossible to fight against.
Are you using as a metaphor is basically that's what would happen if Trump tried to do a lawsuit against the mainstream media that would basically do exactly what you just said?
The gist of it, it gets more complicated.
I mean, these are come down to individual circumstance.
I'll give you one example of right now, Tucker Carlson, what CNN did.
They're very clever, these people.
Tucker Carlson has that viral text message where he said, this is not how white men fight.
The text message was in its entirety, Tucker Carlson saying he was watching a video of a guy being beaten and he found himself cheering for it until he realized it's a horrible thing to think people shouldn't think these things and that I, you know, I don't want to be this.
CNN did a very clever thing where they took the first half, which sounds very, very horrible, put it at the top of the article, filled the rest of the article with regurgitated facts about Dominion, the lawsuit, statements that nobody wants to reread for the 18th time, and then the conclusion of Tucker's statement at the bottom.
I think this might actually be the article.
Is this the article?
So you'll see the first quote right there in the second paragraph.
A couple of weeks ago, I was watching a few people fighting on the street in Washington.
You then, they stop it.
I could taste it.
They stop the quote.
The next up, you'll notice the next several hundred words are just old news nobody wants to reread.
You then scroll to the bottom and see the conclusion.
Look how far down you got to the conclusion.
Somewhere deep in my brain, an alarm went off, this isn't good for me.
The reason is these news organizations know the percentage to which people will read these articles.
I believe there's a possibility this is intentionally formatted in such a strange way to break apart Tucker Carlson's quotes, put old news in between so that the average person stops reading and says, I already know this and leaves.
The only impression in their mind, Tucker Carlson cheered, Carlson cheered for the death of an individual.
This is how the media gets away with lying, but you can't sue them over it.
Like, look what Media Matter said about me.
Tim Poole says, and evil, you know, evil people are ruling the world or whatever.
Yeah, if I went to Greta Thunberg and said, do you think oil companies are in control of the world?
She'd say, absolutely.
They have politicians.
Do you think they're evil?
Yes, of course they are.
Okay.
But you see how they do it?
Secretly controlling the world.
They are factual, but not truthful.
Can I go back to Michael Matt?
To your Trump, Michael Malice, who was on here not too long ago.
Funny guy.
Go back to your Trump statement.
So let's say I agree with you.
Let's say a lot of people agree with you about basically the media has been coming after him and then everything that came with Russia Gate and everything that happened with January 6th, everything, everything, everything.
We're on the same page there.
We don't need to relitigate that.
And then he does get re-elected and he does come back and drain the swamp again.
Basically, you're in favor of him firing everybody starting over again, which I think a lot of people would like to see.
What I want to ask you is because someone who's not on Team Trump, you're not on Team DeSantis, you're on Team Logic at this point.
Give me the other side of it, right?
The good would be fire everybody, start over, like have people held accountable.
Give me the other side of a mean, vindictive, angry Trump looking for retribution.
And rightfully so in some cases.
How would that affect America in some regard?
You know, if Trump comes in and says, it's payback time, bitches, what would that look like for America?
Great.
It would be the best thing ever.
I don't think there's a negative.
I think what we're talking about is a bunch of kids playing on a playground, a bunch of bullies who have been going around shoving the kids in the mud.
They shove Donald Trump in the mud and he gets up and says it's payback.
And all the kids are sitting on the playground watching this one guy go back and get revenge on the bullies.
And I don't think it affects us in the negative at all.
In fact, I think it'll make things better.
I think he'll secure our borders.
I think the economy will greatly improve.
I think he'll bring jobs back.
I think you take a look at the foreign policy of Donald Trump.
And I didn't vote for Trump in 2016.
I thought he was despicable.
Then he started enacting policies that I was very happy to see.
And I still found him to be quite despicable.
He's a potty mouth guy.
He's nasty.
He imitated body slamming a journalist.
And I'm like, I don't care if you don't like reporters.
I don't like the corporate press.
Don't do that.
But, you know, I remember first, simply, Abraham Accord's historical, amazing, crossing the DMZ into North Korea with no security detail, one of the greatest acts of leadership I've seen in my life.
And I think should be in any other circumstance.
They would be writing about it.
It would be one of the most proud moments of the United States.
Donald Trump entered North Korea, enemy territory, with no security detail, with Kim Jong-un surrounded by North Korean soldiers.
And it was funny when I watched that happen, having family history that goes to Korea and what that means to me.
And I was nearly brought to tears.
And then the media insulted Donald Trump over that.
And that really pissed me off.
When Barack Obama was president, he ordered a drone strike on a civilian restaurant in Yemen, a country we are not at war with, which killed Abdulrahman Al-Alaki, a 16-year-old American citizen.
No one bats an eye.
He also killed Anwar Al-Alaki in the argument, he was a jihadi, so it's war, so it's justified.
I still don't think you can kill American citizens just because we're at war.
Bombing a country we're not at war with, you know what?
People come to me and say, Tim, it's war.
We're dealing with terrorist factions.
We've got allies in the region.
It's conflict.
You cannot claim it's murder.
And I'm just like, I guess, but don't come to me and then insult Donald Trump for negotiating with Kim Jong-un when you were bombing civilians.
So I look at the North Korea thing and it's, I wonder if I wonder about the perspectives of other people who know exactly what it is to have a family saying, here's where we're from.
Here's the town your grandfather grew up in.
Because I have that somewhat on one side of my family and not on the other.
Because I hear the story of, oh, you know, your great-grandfather was from this town in North Korea, but we have no idea because since the splitting of the country, that's it.
We're cut off.
Let me give you some credit.
And I'll tell you why I want to give you credit is because Pat started the entire podcast with basically your evolution politically, right?
Ideologically, you've been all over the map and you're kind of finding your groove right now.
But what you're able to do is you're able to separate personality from policy.
And most people in America are just straight up voting for their team.
They're voting for their jersey.
They're voting for the personality they agree with.
They don't go through the nuance of policy right here.
And essentially what you're saying is you actually, to use your words, you actually found him to be disgusting and vulgar and a whole host of words.
I think you said despicable at one point.
But you still vote for him because you're able to separate the personality from the policy.
Why can't most people do that?
I mean, humans are social creatures.
You know, we don't know everything about everything.
The average person doesn't know what's going on in the world because it's not their job to, and I don't blame them for it.
I'm not going to ask a plumber to read the news 24-7 all day every day like I do.
And so the best thing they can do is say, do I trust this guy?
Does he appear genuine to me?
Barack Obama very much did so.
And for me, coming off of the Bush years of war and military expansion in the Middle East, which was unjustified, to then be told Obama was the guy who was going to put a stop to the unjust wars to see him ramp it up and then to bomb kids.
The disposition, Obama had something called the disposition matrix, the kill list.
I don't know if you guys are familiar with.
Every Tuesday, they give him baseball card style sheets saying like, who do you want to kill?
He made the decision to kill him.
Kobe had one too.
Kobe had one.
Kobe Bryant, this is a different story.
He's throwing you off.
He's throwing you off.
And so I just see that.
I'm like, I was lied to.
It's all the same.
What's the point?
2016 comes around.
Donald Trump's running against Hillary.
And I was just laughing the whole time.
I was like, this is America.
The reality TV real estate mogul against the deep state witch who said she did not care if we went to war with Russia because she wanted to own Syria.
What a disgusting person.
And then Donald Trump gets in.
You didn't vote for Trump.
I did not vote for him in 2016.
And I assume you didn't vote for her either, though.
Oh, absolutely.
No worries.
Not the witch.
So you voted third party?
No, I didn't vote.
I said, what's the point?
And probably looking back on it, I mean, who was it?
Who was the libertarian?
Before Joe Jorgensen, it was Gary Johnson, yeah.
And then he had the Aleppo moment.
What is Aleppo?
I know the fucking city that we're at.
And Tim, it's crazy that you say that about Barack doing all the war and all the bombing of the innocent kids.
Trump crossed the DMZ and shook hands and everything.
Guess who got the Nobel Peace Prize?
Obama got the peace prize.
Donald Trump drone striked a bunch of countries.
Drone struck or whatever.
Donald Trump ordered a commando raid in Yemen, which, according to family members, resulted in the death of Abdul Rahman Alalaki's seven-year-old sister, an American citizen.
So there's challenges even with Donald Trump.
So that's why I'm like, you know, you're never going to find someone who is a saint who's doing everything right.
However, Donald Trump, no new wars.
Donald Trump, Abraham Accords, Donald Trump withdrawal from, well, the timeline for the withdrawal from Afghanistan, butchered by Joe Biden.
The dismantling of ISIS, the crushing of ISIS, the removal of our troops from Syria, despite the fact that the U.S. top brass lied to us and Donald Trump to keep troops in Syria.
And then as soon as Biden gets in, troops go right back in.
The challenging thing for the American people is there's no way they're going to know about the history of the region.
There's no way I could.
And there's no way they're going to know about why we're at war in Ukraine.
So all they can really do is say, am I with the people or am I against the people?
What I view as the woke left is not ideological.
The woke to me means cult-like adherence to liberal social orthodoxy crafted by social media algorithms.
That's why they're somewhat Marxist, but also pro-war in Ukraine.
Ukraine has supporting war in Ukraine has no basis in critical theory or anything like that.
So you have these right-wing academics and liberal academics who are like, oh, woke means Marxist and all that.
I'm like, it doesn't explain why they're so supportive of going to war in Ukraine.
It's really just adherence to the social orthodoxy because it's a survival tactic of human beings.
I think if the average person actually knew what was going on, they would all immediately oppose the war in Ukraine.
They would, I mean, you don't got to like Vladimir Putin.
They would immediately agree with Donald Trump on most of his foreign policy.
They'd probably vote for him again.
But most people don't know that.
They rely on the lies of people like Hillary Clinton, Blinken, or Joe Biden.
And that's the challenge.
What can you expect them to do if they don't have the time to read all of these news reports, all of these scientific studies?
What can they do?
But this goes back to Pat's initial point.
Go buy a fucking media outlet and get your narrative out there.
But, you know, just like we just circle back to Vice.
George Soros is funding Vice?
I mean, not a Jeff Bezos, WAPO, anything like that.
I mean, extreme far left.
So you kind of said that Republicans are just kind of minding their own business.
They're buying buildings.
They're buying businesses.
They're buying corporations, but they're not buying media outlets.
Like, Trump's not a Republican.
He's an insurgent candidate who entered the Republican Party because it was the only path to win.
He was a moderate New York liberal, and even Vox.com in 2015 and 2016 called Trump a moderate candidate.
And if Trump wasn't a billionaire, he probably could run as a Democrat and win.
The problem is, tax the rich, Bernie Sanders, he wasn't going to get that base.
So Trump campaigned for the lost Americans, people who never voted before and independent voters, and he won them over.
They come into the Republican Party and start pushing people out.
Trump also converted 9 million Obama voters into Republican voters.
This pushes the Republican establishment back.
Trump would not have won among Republican establishment voters, hence why you see people like Bill Kristol and the Lincoln Project people now supporting Democrat candidates because that's closer to where they were in terms of establishment politics.
Yeah.
Could you imagine this is why people were so aligned with either a Bernie or a Trump back in 2016.
So, you know, it's funny he's saying that Trump claims he would end a war in Ukraine and one day it would be easy.
This is the story from Independent.
Trump claimed he would end the Russia war if he was president.
The former president described the situation as a disaster.
If I were president and I say this, I will end the war in one day.
It would take 24 hours.
I know Zelensky well.
I know Putin well.
I would get that ended in a period of 24 hours.
It would be easy.
The deal would be easy.
Do you agree with me?
100%.
Tell me why.
Trump's going to go to Putin and say, we are ending all support for the Ukrainians in this matter.
Here are the concessions we're going to make.
I imagine what people need to understand about what this means.
Trump likely hands over Don Bass to Russia, hands over Sevastopol Crimea to Russia.
Confirmed, done.
End of story.
The history of what's going on in this region is very, very complicated.
The average person probably doesn't know.
And I can only go so far back.
There's something called the Qatar-Turkey Pipeline.
Back in 2009, the CIA intended to oust the Assad regime because they would not allow us to build a natural gas pipeline through Syria, Turkey, into Europe to offset Russia's natural gas monopoly in Ukraine.
So what ends up happening is Western powers go to Syria, say, hey, we want to build this pipeline.
It's going to go through Syria through Turkey.
They say, no, explicitly.
We are allied with Russia, and that would be against their interests.
What then happens is I think it was Iran and Russia say, let's build our own version of this pipeline, tapping the same natural gas source and running it up, bolstering our natural gas control into Europe.
There's a lot of reasons for why the West was upset about it.
One of them is that the point of the EU and the reason they want cheap energy is so they can develop economically faster to compete with China.
When they were looking at this massive dependence on high-cost Russian natural gas and an inability to get any alternatives into Europe, they said, let's end Syria.
Fortunately for the West, a civil war just happened to have broken out, you know, for whatever reason.
And we were on the opposite side of that.
ISIS then emerges.
Syria destabilizes.
How very convenient.
Joe Biden, Joe Biden's son, becomes a board member at an energy company in Ukraine.
Surprise, surprise.
Also, a former CIA director is also on the board of Barisma.
Joe Biden then goes to Ukraine and tells the president, if you don't fire the prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, you're not getting a billion dollars in loan guarantees, which is illegal, I might add.
The vice president does not have the authority to stop congressionally approved loan guarantees to another country, but hey, they impeach Donald Trump for that, but you know, okay, that Joe Biden did it.
I think the principal reason of what's happening here is Russia is impeding our ability to expand in Europe economically.
Nord Stream 2, for instance, who blew that up likely, I think what are they saying?
Navy SEALs, probably.
I think they're saying it was CIA-assisted.
Something and it was like the British, perhaps.
I got to follow up.
They don't have a clear answer, as I think.
No, but it's not stupid.
Russia's not blowing up their own pipeline.
That's ridiculous.
But all of this is, it's very obvious that we have a dependence on Russian gas.
We're trying to resist.
And so what happens with Ukraine, NATO's been expanding into Eastern Europe for a very, very long time, Estonia, Latvia, on the border of Russia.
Russia has its only warm water port in Sevastopol, Crimea, which gives them access to the Black Sea, to the Mediterranean, and then outward.
A lot of trade goes through there.
And then what happens?
The Euromaidan protests emerge, and the people of Ukraine are now split, pro-Russia, pro-EU.
Most of them leaning towards pro-EU.
That's what I've seen from the data.
And in my personal experience, having been on the ground when that was happening and talking to the people of Kiev, even random people saying, we don't trust Russia.
We know the history of the Soviet Union.
The holodomor, we want to be with the EU.
So when Russia sees that happening, what people need to understand is that, shout out to Dave Smith, Russia did not in the immediate invade, quote unquote.
This is back in, I think, 2014.
They were already in Crimea, in Sevastopol.
They simply walked out of the base and said, hey, we're here.
Now, you can argue the referendum was fake and all that.
But what do you think Russia is going to do if NATO seeks to expand into a country and the EU when that's their only warm water port and access to the Black Sea?
I mean, fight, fight, fight.
It's fight time.
That's it.
So you can argue that Russia started the fight.
You can argue.
And people say, no, NATO did.
People say, no, Russia did.
I'm like, dude, if Russia started putting troops in Mexico and then threatened to cut off the U.S. access in the Gulf, the U.S. is going to be fighting words.
And then especially if, more importantly, if Russia already controlled a large portion of the border, like NATO controls, NATO is in Estonia and Latvia.
Russia is already angry about this.
It doesn't matter who you blame.
It matters.
A fight will happen.
And that's where we are.
I think Trump goes in, negotiates.
It pisses off Ukraine.
It pisses off Russia, but it ends the fight.
And just really quick, because I will forget.
So Tim, if Trump doesn't come in and Trump doesn't win, do you think war with Russia is inevitable with the way that things are going on?
I agree, but I'm saying that's the only thing that's going to happen.
U.S. troops are already on the ground.
100%.
First, we got the story from the intercept.
They kept denying it.
It's not like it's the most people in the world.
I think it's special force.
It's NATO special forces and the several dozen.
But now it's been leaked.
It's true.
The U.S. is providing intelligence to you.
Here's what's happening, right?
Yo, if you and your neighbor are fighting with each other, and then I walk up to you and I hand you a big old pile of rocks and I tell you where to throw them, do you think your neighbor is going to be like, that guy's not involved at all?
He's going to be like, this dude is the one.
So we're arming Ukraine.
We're telling them where to shoot their missiles.
The United States provided the intel to Ukraine to sink the Black Sea flagship of Russia.
The idea that Russia, Putin is going, man, how is Ukraine beating us?
It's absurd.
Putin is saying NATO is at war with us using the Ukrainians as cannon fodder.
American citizens as quote-unquote volunteers, military trained and armed, are on the ground.
It's the most ridiculous thing in the world.
But people live in this reality where because there's no formal declaration, that means United States veteran troops armed by the United States.
That means we're not actually at war.
I'm sorry, dude.
You can't have PM, private military contractors, quote-unquote volunteers from the United States and Western countries fighting a war funded by you, armed by you, and then expect to believe Russia thinks they're not fighting you.
Like Russia and Russian television outright said, we are at war with NATO.
And I do believe that Putin will use nuclear weapons, but people need to understand nuclear weapon does not mean ICBM raining hellfire in a city.
Sure.
Tactical nuclear artillery.
Did you see what happened?
Of course, the bubble, what do you call it?
No, the balloon that came down and attempted to.
Do you have a clip, Rob?
A little drone.
A drone?
Drone coming down.
Tim, if you can look at this here, Tim, right here.
Oh, right.
The Kremlin.
So while you're finding that, can you go find the video of the bubble coming in?
Okay, got it.
If you can.
Okay, yeah, play that if you can so the audience can see it.
Oh, the drone strike.
Yeah, this just happened a couple of days ago.
Okay, so question.
Who's involved?
Well, you know, this is Putin doing it because he wants to say that there's an attack so he can use this as a leverage point to attack Ukraine and he can say, well, I'm just reacting to it.
No, it was really they were attempting to do, to go after him.
You know, this was Ukraine's job.
You know, they're trying to get him to an attempt on assassination.
Well, if that is the case, why would you do it that way?
That's not even that big.
That's not a big deal.
That's not how you're going to kill the guy.
No, it was U.S. involved.
No, it's an outsider.
No, it's just, what do you think all the stuff here with this, with this balloon here?
First, it doesn't matter who did it or why they did it.
All that matters is a video.
Russia said the U.S. did it.
Russia will escalate on that pretext.
We can then get into the argument of, you know, did he fake it?
Did he not?
I think people underestimate what we're seeing.
You know, the conversations we've had is like, what is that even doing?
What is that small thing?
Why did it explode where it exploded?
Well, I believe they shot it down.
But the scary thing about these drones is they can carry powerful explosives.
They can swarm.
It could be a false flag.
There's no real way to know.
It could be Russia saying, send in a single drone.
My question is, if it was Ukraine, how did they launch this attack?
Where did they launch it from?
But it does fall in line with what you would actually expect to see in terms of this kind of warfare.
You're not going to see Ukraine firing missiles from Ukrainian territory into the air, targeting Moscow or anything like that.
You're going to see guerrilla tactics and small-scale insurgency-style sabotage and attacks like this.
This could have been a Ukrainian or a Ukrainian sympathetic Russian or any other foreign mercenary who had a drone.
I don't know how big that drone was.
I'm not sure if it was the size of a car or whatever.
But you can do these things with very small consumer drones.
They can carry explosive.
It's terrifying.
It could be that someone, James Bond style, went to Moscow, put the thing on the ground, ran away, and then waited an hour, and then someone remotely activated it, launched it, and went and tried to take out Putin.
Yeah.
And mind you, whoever was flying it, I mean, it didn't even make the flag go down.
It didn't really penetrate anything.
So whoever was flying.
No one's flying it.
Yeah, probably nobody's just by itself.
Automatic.
People have said, you know, cut off the signal.
No, these things have a GPS in them.
It knows where it is and where it needs to go.
Even if you cut off its access to GPS and the internet, it already has a mapped trajectory in it.
The only thing I'm saying is, let's play propaganda, okay?
If you're Putin and you're behind this and you did this and then you attack Ukraine, guess what you can say?
Listen.
You don't do that to us.
You're going to allow them to do something like that to us?
We have to stay strong.
We can't have them think about this.
So what prompted me showing this clip is when you said, I think Putin is going to use nuclear and nuclear is not what you think it is, all the stuff you're going through.
Okay.
If NATO keeps pushing the envelope and they're getting involved and they're saying, no, we're not involved.
No, no, we're not involved.
No, we're not.
Listen, you're involved.
And this is a war that it's you against Russia.
It's not really.
I saw something the other day, a picture of a great funny meme that says, let me show you how to work from home and make $40 billion.
And it's pictured from Zelensky.
I don't know if you'll send this or not.
It's freaking hilarious.
That is hilarious.
I'll send it to you, Rob.
You have to show this.
It's one of the funnier memes I've seen this week.
I sent it to Mario.
This tells you how much Mario loves politics.
Mario says, Pat, I don't get it.
I'm like, it's okay, don't worry.
Yeah, it's a Rob, I'll send it to, I'll text it to you.
It's worth watching.
But the point is, if Russia, and I did this intentional, intentionally, to attack, if in the next three, four, five days, Russia does attack Ukraine in a major way, I mean, there's got to be a percentage to be thinking about this was strategic.
I don't know if it was a false flag.
I mean, I could go back and forth because it's impossible to know.
But I think Russia would have already made a declaration if they said the U.S. was behind this.
They're the ones who are pushing this.
This is actually really, really bad for Russia if they're unprepared for full-scale war with NATO.
So the strategy, man, it could go a million ways.
Let's imagine this scenario.
The United States wants to force Russia to declare war on us so that we can formally enter, so that the United States can take all of everything it has and put it in Ukraine.
How do you make that happen?
This is the worst thing that could have happened to Putin.
A pathetic, failed attempt, which they are now forced to say was us, and they will do nothing about it.
I think that if it was actually a false flag, they'd probably, I don't know, crash a plane to the Kremlin or something, like blow up a large portion of it with a cruise missile, and then say they directly attacked us.
It's there.
Look, it's on camera.
They'd blast the video everywhere.
This is a pathetic little drone, two of them blowing up and nothing happens.
If it was the U.S. who did it, and Russia said it is, here's the world stage.
The United States, according to Russia, just tried to kill its president, and Russia says we can't do anything about it.
Makes them look weak, and it's going to scare their allies thinking they're going to lose this one.
Who am I betting on?
Which horse?
So that's why, you know, ultimately, I don't know.
I don't know.
I think a false flag from Russia would have been stronger, and they would have immediately made some kind of move.
And they don't need an assassination attempt on Putin to justify nuclear artillery use or strikes in Ukraine.
Because striking Ukraine when they're blaming the U.S. doesn't make sense.
On the premise that they're looking weak, you know, I think when this war started, nobody wants to see this war, by the way.
I mean, generally speaking, like people are actually dying on the ground.
It's hundreds of thousands of people.
It's very sad.
But I think when this thing started, we think Russia is just going to pummel Ukraine.
They're just going to take over this country.
It's done.
And then fast forward, it's been a year and a half.
Ukraine's holding its own, apparently.
Russia is basically outsourcing half their military, or a large portion of this is Wagner group, whoever this is.
They're basically pulling people out of the fucking prison to start fighting for them.
You have mothers protesting that the sons are dying for a war they don't want to be a part of.
Where'd you hear that?
Right.
Well, this is mainstream media.
This is where you're hearing it from.
But this Wagner, this Wagner group is a real group that they are basically outsourcing, are they not?
Yeah, well, I mean, if you believe the American corporate press, which I tend to, even though I'm very critical of it, I do fact-check these things, and we have to get our information from somewhere.
That's a difficult thing to do.
Looking at various sources around the world to try and figure out what's true and what's not.
If you go to Russian sources, they'll tell you the exact opposite of what you just said.
Well, you can't trust anything that comes out of our gear, Russian forces.
Can you trust anything coming out of the New York Times and they claimed that Trump was working for Russia?
Yeah.
No, and at the same time, Adam, they thought it was going to happen overnight.
He was going to take them over.
I don't think anybody expected us to send them billions of dollars, tanks, troops, and all that.
I mean, they're winning.
The U.K. is sending in depleted uranium tank busters, which Russia has already said that is an escalation to the use of nuclear force.
I agree.
I guess my point is I'm not saying that I believe everything that comes out of the corporate left media at all.
I think at this point, we've all just realized the Russia-Russia game.
Adam, when you're in the middle of a conversation with somebody, avoid putting it in the middle of the moment.
Pro because you sound concerned.
Adam, I got something serious to say.
Get a freaking nougat.
Rob, show the article from Zero Hedge.
My point is this.
I tend to believe New York Times more than Russian propaganda.
There's levels to lying.
Russia calls the New York Times American propaganda.
Exactly.
So Russia has its interests.
The U.S. has its interests.
I think Putin is a bad dude.
I think Putin's a substantially worse dude than Joe Biden is.
And I think Joe Biden's a pretty bad dude.
So if I had Joe Biden in front of me and Vladimir Putin in front of me and Joe Biden said, here's what's happening, I'd be like, you know what?
I think you're both full of it, but I'm going to go with Biden on this one, even though I don't like the guy.
So I agree.
But the question is, when it comes to the granular nature of all of the news coming out, the U.S. is lying to you, right?
You can't trust anything they say.
It would be the stupidest military strategy in the world to tell the public what you're doing in war or why you're doing it.
You'd lose in two seconds.
So that just means whether we like Biden or not, we can't trust Russia or the United States corporate press on this one.
We can trust, to a greater degree, people on the ground, but then you're going to get conflicting narratives.
The reality is it's called fog of war.
We probably won't know.
And then whoever wins is going to tell us what we should think.
That's how history works.
Absolutely.
So here's Zero Hedge article.
So former CIA officer says decision to drone attack Kremlin was made by the United States.
Former CIA intelligence officer Larry Johnson, different Larry Johnson than Grandmama, says the decision to launch a drone attack on the Kremlin was made by the United States, go a little lower.
The Wednesday attack, which was likely to have been targeting Russian President Vladimir Putin, was stopped by electronic warfare system, which disabled the drones before they could reach their target.
According to Johnson, the attack must have been spearheaded by the Biden administration and the U.S. military-industrial complex because decisions on such attacks are not, are made not in Kiev, but in Washington.
Washington should understand clearly that we know this.
Although the attack, which Ukraine denied, it was involved and failed to accomplish its tactical goal.
It was still highly symbolic, according to Johnson.
Can you Google Johnson?
Go to Johnson's Wikipedia real quick.
Let me tell you what I do.
You're in war, and you don't want to be obvious.
A false flag could be obvious.
The United States says we need to send in more money into Ukraine.
How can we accomplish this?
For the low, low cost of two drones, the U.S. stages a really ridiculous assassination attempt.
Russia blows it up, tricking Russia into blaming the U.S., and then any escalation can be seen, can be swung or manipulated into being against the United States, giving the U.S. grounds for a cass's belly, a cause for war.
So, if Russia takes the bait and they're doing it, saying the U.S. did this, and they take any action against us, it gives the U.S. what the U.S. wants.
Cause for war to enter Ukraine.
And then they can come to the American people.
Every corporate channel will say, I tell you what will happen.
YouTube will issue new community guidelines saying if you support Russian propaganda at a time of war when the U.S. is facing an existential nuclear threat, we will take your videos down.
And you'll say, I wonder what that means.
It means if you don't support the war, there's no way YouTube is going to let anyone have that conversation if you try and actually talk about what you think may be happening.
Yeah, I just looked up who this guy is, Larry Johnson, what he's done.
He was with the CIA for a few years, got out.
He's appeared on NewsHour, Larry King.
He's made some comments about Obama in the past before.
But Zero Hedge is a very, very credible website that a lot of people in many different industries, executives in the financial industry, follow what these guys have to say.
Anyways, let's go to the next story.
So a couple of super chats I'll read.
Here's one from Chris Bradley: $500.
Life expectancy in America has been declining since the 80s in comparison to all other industrialized nations.
Dr. Shiva is the only U.S. presidential candidate willing to address the real issues as we face a nation.
If you want your children to die sooner, continue to vote left and right if you want real change, vote Dr. Shiva.
Dr. Shiva was a guy that got a lot of momentum during the early stages of COVID with a lot of different names.
But here's a question for you.
You're seeing RFK.
You're seeing Vivek.
You're seeing different names coming in.
RFK is now in the conversations.
We're scheduling something for a podcast.
Fantastic, by the way.
So the question will be, what are some wild cards that we're not even?
Chris Christie says in two weeks I'm going to go in and I know Trump is afraid of debating me all this but who are some wild cards that nobody is thinking about?
That could be potential stars in the 2024, or we pretty much already know who it is.
No one else is going to get into it.
Yeah, I think we know who it is.
You're gonna.
You're gonna see people pop up because they want to sell books.
Uh, I wouldn't be surprised if uh, AOC pops in.
I think it's a very low probability for Ocasio-Cortez, but she's got.
She's famous enough.
Is she even 35?
She will be yes, and so she.
She is eligible.
I'm pretty sure.
I'm pretty sure.
But I think we know who it's going to be.
She's eligible by two weeks.
She's going to be.
She'll be 35.
October 13th of two weeks before election show.
She's 33 right now.
Actually, I think it's you have to be 35 before being inaugurated, which means if her birthday was the day before inauguration, I think that would still keep her, make her out very disappointed.
She's a liberality right now, for at least for now.
I think she's got 10 years for women, but they're gonna vote.
Yeah, AOC is a star doesn't mean you have to agree with me to follow up.
And everyone laughed at the star for the left yeah, you're right.
And then everyone laughed at Trump, and she is.
If you see, what will happen with an AOC is I think the media will prop her up as a star Democrat, which which default liberals they're described as would just vote for.
She will capture the progressive left in a way that no Democrat candidate can.
Yeah, I mean, come on Biden.
Yeah dude, Sleepy Joe is not gonna cut it this time around.
There's There's no pandemic to keep people locked up.
Yeah, and me and Adam had a, well, we still haven't bet on it because you were in Vegas, you should have done it.
We bet that besides Biden, Gavin Newsom would probably be the guy to slide in.
We just had another conversation, Tim.
I don't want to say no names, but this guy looked at us and goes, do not be surprised if out of nowhere, Michelle Obama just goes, you know what?
Here I go.
Because she's denied, denied, denied.
Which one do you think is the more reasonable, like either Michelle or Gavin?
Or were they both?
Gavin, people think Gavin is going to be the guy.
But you never know, man.
And it is relatively early, but I'm not so convinced Michelle Obama would want to do it, but I do think she has a very strong chance of winning.
However, ask me a year or two ago.
I probably would have said Michelle Obama would win in a landslide.
And I mean that figuratively, not literally.
I mean she'd win by like a strong margin.
Now I'm not so convinced.
You know, I like to hang out at the casinos on the weekend, play poker.
And I'm at MGM National Harbor.
This is in West Virginia?
It's a great hotel, MGM National Harbor.
They just built it a few years ago.
It's a beautiful location.
Beautiful.
On the water.
Incredible.
In Maryland?
Oh, it's gorgeous.
I just stayed there.
It's just south of D.C., but it is Maryland.
Beautiful little area.
You literally stayed there.
Beautiful little area.
This is D.C.
This is as blue as it gets.
I was sitting at a poker table.
Not a single person at that table had anything nice to say about Joe Biden or Donald Trump.
But they all said, I don't know, man, I can't vote for Joe Biden.
And that felt to me kind of like a, I don't want to say I'll vote for Trump, but I'm probably going to vote for Trump if he's the guy.
There's a lot of that going on.
Let me give you another name because you live in West Virginia.
You might like him.
You might hate him.
I don't know, but I'm going to throw this out there.
I actually like your senator, Joe Manchin.
Nobody likes him in West Virginia.
But how does he keep getting elected?
He's not going to get elected.
No, He's been elected for the last 40 years.
He's devastating.
Hear me.
You ruined this weekend.
Tim, whether or not he gets elected for the 50th time.
He goes to nightclubs wearing Joe Manchin shirts.
100%.
But he's been elected as a Democrat in the reddest state in the country or one of the reddest states in the country continually as a Democrat.
How does he do it?
Has he continued to do it?
Whether he continues or not, but he's done it already.
Proof is in the pudding.
Firstly, I'm in the Eastern Panhandle, which is an hour from D.C., 15 minutes from Frederick, big cities.
And it's like a moderate area that leans right.
And then you get into the core of West Virginia and it is MAGA country.
It's 86%.
I mean, granted, the people who live around me are all Diehard Trump.
Because this country used to be fairly moderate because Democrats and you look at Joe Manchin's politics and he's fairly conservative in a lot of ways.
So back when he did run, I mean, what was it, 2018, I think he got re-elected?
The country was relatively different and people were still willing to say, yeah, Democrat, Republican.
But now?
Do you think we've changed that much?
Dude, people want to drink Bud Light.
I'm at the casino.
I'll punch you right in the face right now, Tim Cast.
There's an old guy, and he's just like, I ain't drinking that.
And I'm like, do you even know why you're not drinking that?
It's just the culture wars have become so pronounced.
That's why I say, I think Peter Thiel's wrong about DeSantis.
The hyperpolarization of this country is the conversation.
So I just think I go to, I go to, I'm hanging out in West Virginia.
There's not a single person I have ever met who says they would vote for Joe Manchin.
You've got too many great options.
You've got to be.
You mean now?
Right now.
Okay, gotcha.
So you think things have transformed that much in the last four years?
Yep.
That someone who's been a Democrat in Manchin?
MAGA country.
If Manchin switches parties, he might stand a chance.
Wow.
Yeah.
But you've got Mooney, who I believe is running.
He represents West Virginia's first, and the Trump people love him.
You have Jim Justice, the governor, who's term limited out, and he's going to run for Senate.
And they've elected him to a term limit.
So people seem to like him.
I'm not going to pretend to know enough everything about West Virginia politics.
I've only been here for a couple years, but just my general understanding from being there and talking to people, we actually just went to a dinner, a Republican dinner, this past weekend.
No one there likes me.
Not a single person had anything nice to say about him.
They all are gunning for it.
You ruined Adam.
Adam, on your way to Miami tonight, I want you to be listening to the song Country Road to the place.
I belong, West Virginia, Mountain Ah.
I got visitors.
I got West Virginia.
And this offends the people of West Virginia.
That song's not about West Virginia.
It's about Montgomery County, Maryland.
Look at it.
Oh, great.
It says West Virginia in it.
So what happened was the songwriters were driving through Montgomery County, Maryland, which is on the other side, and started singing the song Country Roads Take Me Home to the place where I belong.
And then they were like, Montgomery County, nah, that didn't sound too good.
West Virginia worked.
West Virginia.
And it worked.
You have now broken my heart twice in one podcast.
And the one good song that I thought was about West Virginia.
Oh, my God.
They then went, apparently, the songwriters then went back and started doing research on.
So John Denver didn't write it.
He performed it.
The writers then went back and started researching words and places and things about West Virginia to put in the song.
So the song is about West Virginia.
It was inspired by Maryland.
Gotcha.
Adam, did you hear the rule?
I heard a rumor too about the whole presidential race that, actually, you know, Pat was actually born in Iran, that he's going to be trans.
He's going to self-identify as an American-born citizen and then run for what do you mean?
If I could change my gender, why can't he change his ideas?
You could do citizenship.
If you could do gender change, why can't he say, hey, I was born here?
So you got my vote.
I identify as a natural-born citizen.
I'm announcing my age.
You're trans American.
Here's what you do.
The tactic is starting today, you need to start changing what natural-born citizen means one step at a time.
So what does born even mean?
Born doesn't mean when your body comes into this world, are you?
Look, I mean, are you alive only after you're born?
Are you alive in the womb of the mother?
Exactly.
And if you are, then what is born, so born must imply then your personal identification and experiences.
So if you're naturally experiencing of an American perspective, that does mean you're eligible for it.
And what does natural mean?
What is anything?
Were you farm-raised?
Were you artificial intelligence?
How did that happen?
This is how they, the gender thing is insidious, how it happens.
They start saying woman doesn't mean adult, human, female.
It means something else.
Then when you go back to laws that use the word woman specifically to refer to females, it now has a different meaning because the culture changed the meaning of the words.
That's the tactic.
You know, I always say, we did not create women's sports teams because sometimes people wear dresses.
We created women's sport teams for females who have different bodies than males.
But you see how they changed the definition of the word.
Now, a cultural woman is able to play in a female division because the words are meaningless.
Let's change it up to a different story, and then we'll come back to RFK and a couple other Trump DeSantis before we wrap up.
So Kanye West reportedly fires extremist Nick Fuentes from political team and rehires Milo Yiannopoulos after Trump dinner rift.
This is a story from May 4th.
It's a Forbes story, page 14.
Let me go to it here.
See what Forbes has to say.
Here we go.
Rapper and potential presidential Canada County West has reportedly fired White House supremacists, White House supremacists, Nick Fuentes and reinstated right-wing provocateur, provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos in his long-term long shot 2024 campaign.
West has also reportedly ousted Ali Alexander, 2020 election denier, an organizer of the Stop the Steal movement.
Yiannopoulos allegedly sent emails to Funtes and Alexander informing them they were terminated and had been, and he had been appointed director of political operations.
West's 2024 campaign has been marked by stops and starts.
Last year, he ran for president and received only 0.04% of the popular vote nationally.
His business empire collapsed after he made a series of anti-Semitic comments and praised the Adolf Hitler.
Yiannopoulos rose to prominence as an editor by Breibart News, but lost his job after video clips emerged of him saying it was possible for 13-year-old boys to have perfectly consensual sexual relations with adults.
So what are your thoughts on the story?
I think Milo Yiannopoulos is a genius.
He is planning things that you don't even know, and then they are working.
And I am not surprised to hear that he is once again working with Ye, because I wouldn't be surprised if this was his plan the entire time.
I don't know what else to say about it.
I mean, it feels all a bit chaotic, but, you know, from what I know of Milo, from the conversations I've had with him, from what people have heard him talk about, you know, this dude has a plan.
You know, he's doing something.
He's not just sitting there throwing dartboards at the wall.
He's like, he's got something going on.
What is that?
Something.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I think he wants revenge on the Republican establishment.
I think he wants revenge for dedicating so much of his life to Trump, MAGA, and the conservative movement only to be insulted and thrown out.
And I think he is particularly someone who's formidable and clearly has the means to strike back and be successful in doing so.
I'm not saying he's guaranteed to win whatever it is he is planning, but now here he is rehired by Kanye West.
Whatever his plan is, it seems to be working.
You define this working?
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Define working.
What is working?
Well, I suppose it's if Milo Yiannopoulos is mad at the Republican establishment, and then he gets Kanye West into the fray in politics, and he gets, you have the House GOP tweeted something like Musk, Kanye, Trump, or whatever.
And then Ye goes on Alex Jones' show and starts praising Hitler, causing damage for the Republicans.
Like, I think he's getting his revenge in some form.
Like, working is, I'll put it this way.
If what he was doing wasn't working, we would not be talking about him.
So I don't know what his plan is, but he has maintained his position and his influence and his effect.
There you go.
Kanye Elon Trump.
They tweeted that out.
They deleted it.
Yeah.
Now, I wonder how much Milo had to do with that.
How did Judiciary JOP?
Yeah.
Kanye Elon Trump.
What does that mean exactly?
They were just saying, like, I guess they like these guys, right?
Elon was buying Twitter.
Trump is Trump.
Kanye was speaking out in support of Trump and things like that.
And now, because there's a fascinating thing that occurs in this country in terms of what I call cultural context, the context of the time is not praising what Kanye said about Adolf Hitler.
It doesn't matter.
Because what the left will do is if you praise Kanye 10 years ago for being a great musician and you say that you think he's a genius, they will cut the date out and just take the tweet and say, you praised Kanye West.
How dare you?
That's so fun.
And you're like, that was 10 years ago.
Doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter.
That was during college dropout.
What's going on?
I loved him.
Not how it works.
They strip the context around.
So I'll give you an example.
I once said, there's a video of me where I'm like, I don't trust the New York Times.
I trust Dave Rubin.
If I'm looking at this and Dave Rubin, I'm not going to trust what the New York Times says.
What they do is they cut that particular quote and they say, look how stupid Tim Poole is trusting Dave Rubin over the New York Times.
It was referring to one specific story.
I can't remember exactly the details, but what will happen is there will be a reporter reporting on your life, Patrick.
And then your friend will come out and make a video saying like, look, if I'm reading about this, I trust Patrick.
I don't trust the New York Times.
And then they're going to be like, how stupid of him to trust a podcaster over the media.
It's like, dude, the story was about him and the job he had.
Why would I trust an external company about him personally?
But what they do is they'll strip out the context to make it sound like you're speaking generally.
Another example is I said, there's a clip of me going, InfoWars is like a right-wing Huffington Post, blah, blah, blah.
And then they're like, Tim Poole actually thinks InfoWars is credible news.
The specific context of the story is there were journalists on the ground covering Donald Trump's rally.
Their goal is to try and capture people the way Huffington Post do.
Like, they're like a right-wing Huffington Post.
So in one specific context, I'm saying this thing, they stripped that out.
That works.
So, look, again, I don't know what Milo's plan is or what Ye's plan is for that matter.
But if Milo is able to get himself into the highest, like Kanye is probably the most famous guy on the planet or one of them, he's got access.
He's doing something.
You just don't know.
You still know what he's doing.
But I mean, let's talk about what not working would be.
We wouldn't be talking about it.
We wouldn't know where he was.
And the fact of the matter is, there's probably 7 billion people you can't name whose plan is not working.
Yeah, that's a good point.
I don't know.
We'll see what's going on.
I had a very interesting conversation with Milo one time six years ago, seven years ago in Florida.
But, you know, the guy's definitely a great marketer.
Then he just starts.
Rob, you were telling me something about he started call Clinic.
Yeah, it's a conversion therapy clinic here in Florida in Sarasota, I believe.
It is a, what does it do, Rob?
I believe it conversion, like convertible from Democrats to Republicans?
No.
So it comes in and slaps you in the head.
From, I believe, homosexuality to heterosexuality.
This is Milo?
You're bringing him back?
Let's talk about how the media lies.
I had Milo Yiannopoulos on my show, and we talked about the media says you're straight now.
Milo says, I never said that.
Milo explained that he is a gay man who is Christian, recognizes that these behaviors and practices are bad, so he will abstain from them and thus be celibate.
Really?
Go back to his picture, Rob.
The media then started reporting, he's claiming he's now straight, but that is not what he said at all.
And so I actually asked him, I was like, so you're still attracted to men?
He's like, yes.
And I'm like, okay, but you're not going to be hooking up with him.
He's like, no, that's wrong.
And I'm like, oh, okay, so you're celibate.
He's like, yes.
Oh, wow.
So it's like, that's a very different story to what the media was saying.
Yeah.
How long does celibate last, though, for you?
Celibate for a week?
He's being serious?
No, if he's being serious.
Go down to the story, Rob.
Can we read this one?
Right-wing cultural critic Milo Yiannopoulos came out last year, last week, as ex-gay and is now preparing to open a controversial conversion therapy facility in Florida.
The Post has in an interview with the Post, the former Bright Bar news editor revealed his plans to launch a report.
Reparative therapy clinic to help other people go through the same journey as I am on myself, despite the lack of data showing effectiveness of the exercise.
Ask in what sense he is ex-gay.
Yiannopoulos told the Post that he is in ongoing process of trying to reorient his homosexuality, but for now is in a stage of abstinence and enjoys using the term to troll his critics.
He just tells you what he's doing.
Yeah, exactly.
Ex-gay.
I still think a conversion therapy place for Democrat to Republican is pretty funny.
What is a conversion therapy place?
Is it a strip club?
Is that kind of like just a bunch of girls?
You're like, just like this.
I don't know what that would do.
No, it's working against me.
Do you guys consider yourselves right-wing or conservative?
I'm a registered independent, total supportive capitalist and conservative beliefs when raising kids.
Do you bring in leftist guests to come on the show?
Oh, my God.
David Pachman was here a couple months ago.
We had Kyle Kalinsky.
We had Jenka Uger.
We had Sam Cedar five weeks ago.
We had Trotsky.
We had Andrew Yang.
We have Trotsky.
No, not Trotsky.
What's the name?
I was like, wow.
We got Chomsky.
Trotsky.
Did I say Trotsky?
I was like, what the hell?
We had Karl Marx.
Mark.
Company had a necromancer.
Brought him back in.
We actually brought an exorcist, the number one exorcist of the Catholic Church.
And he talked about how he saw Body Elevate.
Yeah.
Why do you ask that, though?
It's almost impossible for us to get these people to come on the show.
They just won't do it.
You had our friend Destiny.
No, you know who we had on?
Yeah, Destiny Vosh.
We just had Lance from the Surfs.
Sam Cedar wants to come on, but I think he's one of the most disingenuous human beings in the space.
So like I invited him.
We should still have him on.
Well, I invited him and then he used it against us as a weapon.
So I just, he's cut off.
Got it.
And he's also, I can tell you this, I love saying this, by the way.
There are some other high-profile podcasts that have completely boycotted him.
And he's like complained about this, not understanding why.
And I know why.
But he's considered widely in the space to be, I mean, it's kind of stupid to say, but grifter.
We've heard similar things.
I'll leave it at that.
I'll tell you the story.
I tweeted, hey, we often invite leftist guests on our show and they just don't come on.
So he responded, I will come on the show.
I tweeted something like, it's live in studio.
We'll cover your costs, travel and accommodation.
One works for you.
He says, how's the 13th?
I said, that works perfectly.
He says, okay.
I was like, we'll DM you.
Immediately DM him.
And he says, I'm not coming on your show.
And then I was like, okay.
Then he goes on his show and makes a claim against me.
Or he starts tweeting about me and trying to back out or something like that, turning it into some grift where he could rally his audience.
You know what he did?
The majority report took the song we released, Only Ever Wanted, and ran it through a filter to make it sound bad and then made fun of us for having bad music.
Like the dude legit is fake.
And it wasn't him personally.
It was his people who put a filter on our song to make it sound bad.
But like, that's a really good example of what you get when you watch someone like Sam Cedar.
Listen, we've had a lot of people on.
We had a Roland Martin on here four months ago, which was an incredible conversation, back and forth nonstop the entire time.
It was uncomfortable from the second to the last second, literally.
But it was one of my favorite conversations of the year.
And we get, you know, every time you have somebody on, people will text you and say, I cannot believe you're having that person.
This person's this.
I've never had anybody on that I got that many text messages as Sam Cedar, and I don't know why.
People.
Negative?
Not good.
Well, so I will say, in terms of media industry stuff, I don't want to put anybody on the spot.
I'll just say, and Sam will probably hear this, there are high-profile producers and media people who have told me explicitly he's blacklisted.
Why, though?
Because there was this period where I can speak in one circumstance.
There was a period where he made a ridiculous amount of videos about Dave Rubin, and it got really creepy, I guess.
And I don't know a lot about it.
I don't know how many videos he made, but there was a period where people were just like, this guy's got a weird grift going on where he just tries to do drama.
And the perspective, I suppose, was, look what happened to me when I said, hey, come on the show.
He turns it into drama for his audience.
Look what happens when we released a song called Only Ever Wanted.
And then his people ran it through this weird filter so it sounded awful and they mocked us and insulted us.
Like that's the fake.
That's my experience.
I can only imagine that many others had a very, I mean, these all majority report Rubin clips.
And it just keeps going and going and going.
He's obsessively.
Let me ask you this, to use the metaphor that Miley and Yiannopoulos were still talking about him.
He's getting names.
Is he kind of taking a page out of that book, Sam Cedar?
It's like, we're talking about him.
Oh, good for him.
Good for him.
I don't know.
One of the best shows I think we've ever done was just the other day with Lance from the Surfs TV.
I think his views are wrong.
I think he is wrong.
But it was funny.
We had fun.
He brought a tall boy, Bud Light, and cracked it open on the show.
He gave his opinions, which we all countered, and then we were laughing together.
I thought he was a good dude with bad views and some views evil.
By the way, Sam Cedar sat down here and he said, you know, I think, you know, 168?
Keep going.
How many videos are there?
166.
But let me ask you this, though.
When you see some like this, what do you think about when a guy's done 167 reaction videos on one person?
He loves you.
He's got a personality.
He loves you.
If you pull up good look.
If you pull up me and you pull up David Pac-Man, you're going to find Biden and Trump thousands of views probably.
And it's fine.
If you pull up my channel, you might find a couple dozen about the young Turks, mostly because I'll respond to them saying something about me.
But this is like the Dave Rubin review podcast.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's crazy.
That's pretty wild.
So this is one thing I was told explicitly that they were like, we don't know what his deal is, but wow, he's got a lot of Dave Rubin videos.
And that kind of is like the perspective.
He gets a lot of views from me.
He has a lot of videos about me, too.
I don't know how many videos he has about me, but the perception is he is not a good faith individual trying to have a political argument.
He's trying to WWE style, fan his audience into that.
Scroll up.
Look at that picture of me where they use Photoshop on my face.
Letting it look like you.
Who is that?
That's you?
Tim Poole is a lying coward.
Okay, you know, sure, whatever.
But I will tell you, though, to me, this is the same thing.
Look at this.
Tim Poole haunted by Thanos.
Let me tell you this story, too.
It's a really good.
Oh, I got another one from yesterday.
So look at that.
Tim Poole claims he's not conservative, shredded by Lance from the service.
So I had a conversation with Sam Cedar.
This is one of the biggest challenges for me trying to talk with people like Sam Cedar.
I say, Sam, I think we're talking about healthcare.
This is years ago.
It was like five years ago.
And actually, first thing I'll say, Sam Cedar was the first person in media to ever shout me out and positively comment on my work.
So shout out Sam.
And so we're having a conversation, and I said, it sounds like your views are utilitarian as opposed to like deontological morality.
And his response was something to the effect of, I don't know what that means.
And then I'm like, okay, like Thanos, for instance.
Like, let me bring this down to an analogy.
Thanos in Avengers is a utilitarian.
I will sacrifice half of the universe to save the other half, maximizing the amount of good.
Deontological morality, you cannot take an immoral action, period.
The idea that you would commit an immoral action against an individual is wrong.
You can't cross that line.
In doing so, he turned it into a meme saying, and then got all of his people start tweeting at me nonstop because they didn't understand this.
And I tried to relate to them.
They insulted me for it.
I'm like, that's what Sam Cedar does.
Instead of having a good faith conversation and saying, I now understand your point, or I'm sorry, I don't understand the reference, he makes videos like that.
People don't like it.
You know what I mean?
Like his audience might like it.
It's WWE style politics.
And so there's higher format shows that are just like, we don't associate with this guy.
And I think he knows it.
And I think what you were just saying about getting those messages, he knows it.
And he complains about it a lot.
It's like, bro, clean your act up and stop doing this stuff.
And maybe you might find some redemption.
But you know what?
Far be it for me to tell you to stop doing what works.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
I'm sure the dude's making a million bucks or something.
So let me ask you.
We got a super chat here.
Someone's asking, how much of a super chat will it take for Tim to remove his beanie?
What's that all about?
That's because I always wear the beanie.
Oh, okay.
It's like how much of a super chat would it take?
No, it's not going to happen.
It's my banana.
I got you.
Tom, I don't know what that.
It's my brand.
Do you have a beanie sponsorship?
We do have someone who's making them for us.
Are you selling a beanie?
Do you sell that as a merch or no?
No, but everyone wants us to.
But the long story short of it is, I am bald.
Like that's not a secret.
I don't know.
But people say things like I wear it because of that.
I've always worn the beanie since I was a teenager, skateboarding, and then slowly the hair starts disappearing.
You know, that's just what happens.
But I actually met a guy after Occupy Wall Street who worked for Puff Daddy who said to me after I got all this press attention and I was featuring in Time magazine, he was like, never lose it.
Never take that off.
So $100,000 super chat is not going to do it.
I mean, I got to be completely honest, dude.
That doesn't move the needle for me.
I like, think about that.
I like that, though.
How many beanie babies?
What do you have to sell?
But let me put it this way.
I love it.
I was invited to a, I'll just keep it simple, a high-profile black tie affair for the Democratic Party.
And I said, wonderful.
I will show up in my standard attire.
And the response was, it's a black tie affair.
And then I said, yes, I'm going to show up wearing a hoodie and jeans.
And they said, then you can't come.
I was like, then I won't go.
And I'm like, what is it worth it to me to wear a suit to go to your party?
It's not worth it.
Would you wear the suit to keep the beanie on, though?
I will never wear a suit.
Straight up.
Never wear a suit.
It's just, that's your line in the sand suits.
Nope, they're not happening.
You don't even own one.
I do not own a suit.
I will not wear a suit.
As formal as I will get is a Vulcan shirt with the sleeves rolled up.
I have a blue one.
This is as formal as you get.
This is fairly formal for me.
Thank you for dressing up.
In a few hours, I will be wearing shorts and a t-shirt with no beanie.
On a boat.
And flip-flops.
I love a boat.
Is the beanie going to be on the boat?
No.
Oh, beanie's off.
I'm going to be on a jet ski in the water.
He's off.
He's off.
Good for you.
But this basically is my suit.
I'm not mad at it.
RFK Jr., let's wrap it up with RFKN and what will be done.
RFK Jr. vows to pardon Snowden, Assange, and other whistleblowers if affected, if elected.
RFK Democratic presidential candidate vowed to pardon Julian Assange, Snowden, and other whistleblowers if he's elected as president.
The America I Love doesn't imprison dissidents.
Kennedy believes that the U.S. actively persecutes journalists and whistleblowers, and he intends to investigate the corruption and crimes they exposed.
WikiLeaks gained widespread attention in 2010 after publishing a series of leaks provided by U.S. Army intelligence analyst Chelsea Manning revealing previously unreported incidents involving the U.S. military killing civilians in Afghanistan and Iraq wars, which led to criminal investigations against the organizations and Julian Assange.
What are your thoughts on what RFK is saying here?
Donald Trump Jr. called into my show and said, we have to pardon Assange and Snowden.
At this point, we know, and that's a simple version of it.
That is probably one of the most important things for me in terms of who I'm going to vote for.
If you put all the presidential candidates up on stage and they all say we will not pardon Assange, and RFK says he will, I'm voting for him.
Julian Assange is an active assassination.
Julian Assange is a journalist.
He was falsely accused of sex crimes, which it's fabricated garbage and nonsense.
They've since been dropped.
They used it as a pretext to stop him from doing the work that he was doing because he was exposing corruption.
He was running a journalistic organization that received leaks and then published them the same as any other newspaper.
They forced him to be into the Ecuadorian embassy for a decade where he's been slowly dying and they tried destroying his name.
It is such an egregious action of evil that it's one of the most important issues to me in terms of what someone can do.
Now, a lot of people have said Tim do a fundraiser for him, and I'm like, there's only so much I can do in terms of the one issue of Julian Assange.
But his pardon is absolute as far as I'm concerned.
Snowden, Snowden flip a coin for me.
He should probably be pardoned, but it's not the same.
Edward Snowden is not a whistleblower.
He's a leaker.
He grabbed a collection of documents and he released them to the press without knowing what they were.
Very, very different from blowing the whistle.
Julian Assange is not a whistleblower or a leaker.
He's a journalist who received information and then published it.
And so they literally destroyed everything that made him who he was.
Evil to an insane degree.
And it's crazy, Tim, how they always use the sexual assault thing with like with him, with Andrew Tate, with Brett Kavanaugh's always like, oh, you did something to a woman and nobody even, that's it.
You're finished.
Well, they're smart, right?
You go back in time, you take a look at Martin Luther King Jr., you take a look at JFK and whatever you think about them, they've become immortal.
Their ideas, their words, they can never be stopped.
I think the deep state understood that whether they were involved or not, after watching that happen, saying, hey, you know, if you kill somebody, you're going to make them a hero.
What do you got to do?
You got to character assassinate them, destroy their legacy.
So the first thing you do is you go for the most reprehensible because in the United States, sex crimes are considered particularly heinous.
Well, there you go.
Julian Assange is falsely accused of rape.
The media then lies in lockstep with each other.
He's then detained for questioning.
He says, if I stay here, they're going to extradite me to the United States.
So he flees to the Ecuadorian embassy.
Lo and behold, under Donald Trump, it's Donald Trump who did this and he was wrong to do it.
They are trying to extradite Julian Assange.
And so is the Biden administration.
Now, I asked Trump Jr., will your dad pardon Julian Assange?
And he says, or should we?
Something in the fact he said, yes, we have to do it at this point.
We know about the corruption.
I believe him.
When Donald Trump said that the biggest threat we face is not China, it's the deep state.
It's the bureaucratic.
It's the intelligence agency that lied to the American people.
You got this letter that came out.
Joe Biden, Anthony Blinken were effectively Mike Morrell that they told the press that the intelligence agency said the Hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinfo, total fabrication.
The intelligence agencies former colluded to mislead the American public.
These people are evil.
They want power.
They will get it at whatever cost.
They lied about Trump every step of the way.
When Trump Jr. says we're going to pardon these guys, this is what I like about a Trump second term, the revenge.
I believe it.
And I'm not saying he's going to go and just be recklessly destroying things.
I think he's going to go in.
He's going to pull up his tie and he's going to be like, pardon for that guy, a pardon for that guy, and you're fired and you're fired and you're fired.
I'll take what I can get.
But I feel it.
I believe it.
I could be wrong.
I've been wrong many, many times when it comes to politicians.
But my worst case scenario is if Trump gets elected, the world's not going to end.
I think the worst case scenario is he builds a wall.
He puts more fencing up on the border.
He brings car factories to Michigan.
I'm like, you look at what he did in his first term and I'm like, okay, is that the worst case scenario?
Like under Biden, we're looking at nuclear war.
You know, you know what I like about what's going on?
Here's one thing I like is the fact that Trump or DeSantis, at this point, Trump's got a 40-point lead, 35-point lead, whatever the number is.
There's a couple guys that are bringing up topics that's resonating with voters that I think is going to be a great case to pay attention to to run on for 2024.
Vivek being one of them.
I would be watching exactly, I'd have my guys pull up a report on the top 20 messages Vivek has given and what's resonating the most.
And I would bring him in because I think he's making very good case on woke, on ESG, on DEI.
That messaging is resonating.
There's an audience for that.
I think RFK is talking about certain things that you can watch and see how the audience is reacting for that as well.
That can help out for the 2024 election.
I think these two guys are very important.
By the way, the guy that's supporting Shiva gave another $500.
Wow.
What do you call it?
This is another person, apparently.
That's another $500 to take off the beanie?
He gave him $500 and he says, does PBD and TP have the balls to host this debate?
Or will they grift off four years later on positive?
So Dr. Shiva's running for U.S. president.
He's issuing a challenge to Elon Musk across an RFK 3 at this to address the lies, deception, and contradictions on free speech censorship and vaccines.
So I want to say, can I say something like that?
Go for it.
If someone super chats into my show and says, you're going to grift, you're a coward.
Why won't you host these debates?
I just scroll.
If someone super chats me and says, big fan of the show, you have a tremendous opportunity.
Dr. Shiva's fantastic.
Please consider him.
I'll say, can you guys look into Shiva and see what we can do there?
But I want to make a point here, and I'm glad you said that.
Just a thought for you, Chris, for you to be thinking about.
You just spent $1,000.
We appreciate it.
Thank you.
It'll go into the Valutaine Fund to go make that offer even thicker for Tucker Carlson.
$100 million and I thank you for that.
But this is what I will tell you.
I sense a trend with people who support him.
Him and I had a conversation together three years ago.
We got on a phone call.
We talked.
Pull him up.
Don't pull him up.
No, no, don't pull him up, Rob.
Don't do that.
No, Adam, don't do that.
Sorry.
There's a part of me that I will host anybody.
I will host anybody.
We had Antoni Brown here, disrespecting.
No problem.
I'm curious.
We'll have Roland Martin here constant from the beginning to the end was uncomfortable.
No problem.
We'll have a lot of different people that'll be on that we agree with, disagree with any of that stuff.
We had Slavo Žižek, who's a communist.
I had professor from UC Riverside or Riverside Community College, who's a full-blown communist professor there who says the two greatest leaders of our generation are Mao.
And who was the other person?
He said, Mao and Stalin.
I said, I said, if a kid is 22 years old watching this right now and he's aspiring one day, his life to become a major player in the world, would he be better for society to be the next Jeff Bezos or the next Stalin Mao?
He says, it's not even close.
He is better for society to be the next Mao or Stalin than to.
This is what this professor from Riverside Community College said.
It's got a million views.
It was one of the best conversations we had.
I had, who's the guy that said we give all our employees $70,000 a year?
And then Dan Price, I think is his name, and he came out.
You heard all these stories about what's happening with him.
But we had him on.
Hour and a half conversation.
It was complete opposite side politically, philosophically.
I said, if you're so noble, who owns 100% of your company?
He says, I do.
I said, if you're really noble, why don't you give all your employees 1% equity?
Boom.
Because that's how.
Did you ask him how much profit he takes at the end of the year?
Oh, we valued the company on the video.
And he said, I said, you're a rich man.
He has a smirk on his face.
I said, why don't you give equal?
He says, you know what?
That's a good point.
I'll consider it.
I said, okay.
But here's the point.
As long as you're not arrogant, disrespectful, you know, thinking you know it all, you're above everybody else, and you can't have a civil conversation, you're just not my kind of guy, man.
So if you can do all the other stuff, by the way, even Sam Ceda, when he came, you know what's crazy?
Anything people said about Sam Cedan said, I walked away, said, I enjoyed the conversation.
And to my face, he's sitting right here saying, I think you're just about there where you're too rich and we should not allow you to get any money above this number.
And then Vinny says, so you're saying nobody should be a billionaire.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
I think 99% tax.
I think he's trying to execute you.
Yeah.
Wait, what?
No, no, he's not kidding.
Yeah, he's not kidding.
You should kill the billionaires, basically.
Not you, though, Pat.
But, you know, that kind of a thing.
But the point is, I think there's a part of persuasion.
There's a part of persuasion.
There's a part of persuasion to use charm, charisma to get others.
Vivek was on one of the last shows that what's his name?
Don Lemon.
Oh, it was horrible.
Please say the name correctly.
Don Lamont.
I apologize.
He had him on the show and they're talking.
And Don kept trying to insult him.
Well, you know, as a black man, I've been a black man myself.
As a black man, he said, look, I understand this is philosophical differences.
I have an opinion on this.
No, I totally can't respect that.
He kept saying this and saying this.
You know what you made me made you think about?
You're like, you know what?
That's what everybody can learn from on how to handle.
Now, that's his approach, Vivek.
Okay, you have to respect the fact that he's going everywhere.
Anyways, that's the only thing for you to be thinking about.
Aside from that, we would house anybody.
Just be respectful about your approach, and we would be more than happy to have the conversation with you.
When you're thinking you're above everybody, you're smarter than everybody, it's just not attractive.
I'm sure you talked about it with the Dan Price thing came up, but I really just want to say it.
A lot of my friends were like, oh, wow, he's giving all these salaries to everybody, and he lowered his salary down too.
And I said, Do you know how taxes work when you're getting passive income profits versus salary?
He's probably saving, what is it, 7.5% on Social Security or Medicaid tax or something?
There's a cap on it.
But I go through this with my accountant.
They're like, you have to pay yourself a reasonable salary, then take profit.
You can't pay yourself too less, too little.
Otherwise, the IRS says you're just trying to avoid paying taxes by taking it as profit instead of salary.
But what if you do a big political statement where you're like, I'm humbly going to reduce my salary now?
They can't touch you, and you're saving a near double-digit percentage in your taxes by taking it all as profit instead of personal income.
There's many ways to do it.
The way they want to do it is punish.
It doesn't work when you punish.
It works when you incentivize.
Incentives move people.
Punishments don't.
My kids right now, they both have a straight A, and Tico did not have a straight A. Dylan's every his worst grade right now is 95%.
You know why?
Because he's got such great incentive system in our household where the progressive tax works backwards.
You get incentivized by doing better.
I love that.
Finish it.
I don't want to.
No, no, you can go ahead.
When I was a kid, we would get five bucks for every A and our report card.
Yeah.
Three for every B, one for every C, and nothing for D's and F's.
Okay.
And so we really wanted to get straight A's.
And then we get 50 bucks.
We go by Legos.
See?
And then you dropped out of 14 years old.
I don't know.
Maybe they changed the compensation structure.
Mom's like, you know what?
Now we're giving it five bucks for F's.
And if you drop out, it's $1,000.
I don't know what happened there, but I agree with you.
It was like the best thing I could have done.
Listen, you're talking to a guy that technically was never in high school.
And I'm doing okay.
So, anyways, hey, gang, listen, if you enjoyed this as much as we did, looking at the numbers here, obviously the commentary, you guys love this guy.
Subscribe to the channel.
And not only subscribe to our channel, Rob, let's put his channel.
Which one do you, if we have to pick one of them, which one will be the main one you want to drive to?
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Put it in description and put it in comments.
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On top of that, Tim's got a book as well, The Tales from the Inverted World, Ghosts of Civil War, as well as a new song that just came out, Bright Eyes, that's available on iTunes, Amazon, and Spotify.
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