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Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal bestseller Your Next Five Moves (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.
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Okay, so we had to go live because of the announcement we just made a, what is it, two hours ago, three hours ago when I was on Megan Kelly today at 2 o'clock.
And there was a lot of people asking questions.
We were going to wait till Thursday to go live.
And everybody said, let's go live tonight for 45 minutes, answer some questions.
On the offer we just made, if you haven't heard, if you want to pull this up, Rob, so we can talk about it.
We made a public offer to Tucker Carlson on the great Megan Kelly show a few hours ago.
And then we tweeted our offer and we put it out there.
It's an article.
You can see the details.
It's crystal clear to Tucker Carlson.
Let me start off by reading this.
If he can zoom in a little bit more so the audience can also see it.
You can find this on Twitter.
Dear Tucker, I'll get right to the point.
We want you to partner with us in what we feel is a noble and necessary effort to define the future of media.
Here's our offer.
$100 million over five years, an equity stake in Valutain, president of Valietain, and a board seat to project your strategies, your strategic vision and voice, your podcast, plural, singular, and other daily weekly shows, documentaries and movies covering topics you care about.
What else?
We're all yours.
Our convictions about freedom, liberty, and truth run deep, and we believe we are the absolute right fit for you and America.
While we may not be the biggest media company, we are a new media leader driving into the future to make truth, fair debate, and commentary more accessible, consumable, and protected.
We are 100% serious about our offer, respectfully, myself.
So that message was sent out.
I gave that to Megan.
Megan asked some incredible questions going back and forth.
And we got a few things that we want to talk about today.
We got a handful of clips that Rob's prepared.
I want to share with you about what Tucker has said on why we felt this was an ideal offer to him.
Tom, you know, I've been talking about this with you since last week when we heard about the news.
And then we processed it more.
And then all of a sudden, this morning, seven o'clock in the morning, I had a call with you guys and we had an emergency call.
I said, tell me this is a bad idea.
And I kept going at you going.
I said, I don't want to stay private.
I want to announce this publicly because I think it needs to be something everybody knows about.
And then the announcement was made.
We agreed on the podcast.
We were writing it and I made the announcement to Megan.
What are your thoughts about this announcement that we made today?
Well, first of all, I think it's really important that a lot of things nowadays happen with transparency.
We've gone through an era of COVID and other things where such a lack of transparency.
I think that transparency in a lot of ways takes speculation out of the mix and makes it certain.
And I think that's all we want to do here, is take the speculation out.
Whenever you start working together, there'll be always some peon at a law firm that kind of leaks.
It's like you look at professional sports contracts, Pat, right?
All the people involved swear that nobody said anything.
All it takes is one associated law firm leaking it out.
And so I think what this is, this is an open, straight up, transparent statement so that people understand how serious and how capable and more importantly, how important we feel our role is in the new media landscape.
Yeah, you know, it's pretty wild to think about the era we're living in because back in the days, all of this would have been quiet.
Hush, hush.
You can't say anything.
What about this?
And what about that?
Well, this person said this and that person said.
And we think they're saying this.
We think they're saying that.
You have to be proactive today.
And, you know, I think a bigger part of an offer like this being made as well is who he hears from from personal friends.
So think about it.
You know, a Tucker Carlson who is loved, adored by a lot of people.
And obviously he's got the right enemies as well.
Whoever his enemies are, if you don't agree with the enemy's philosophies, guess what?
You guys are right enemies, right?
He's going to get messages and people are going to say, you know what?
Here's what I know about this brand.
And by the way, for the audience, for those of you that have helped Valutainment from day one, when we had 60 subscribers, not 60,000, 60 subscribers where we went from there to 1,000 to 10,000 to 100,000.
Now we have total, whatever, 6 million subscribers and now turning it into a media company, consulting from all these other things that's happened.
PBD podcast, the audience with the members, you know, all the folks that we have with Value Taint and PBD podcast, none of this would have happened without you.
But I also think this is a once-in-a-lifetime type of a guy.
I think his voice is super necessary.
And our offer is a serious one.
And hopefully next steps will be going through, having different kind of conversations.
A lot of people have reached out, guys.
My phone, I am trying to catch up on text messages.
I'm trying to catch up on DMs.
I'm trying to catch up on.
It's coming in hot and heavy.
Yeah.
From all angles.
From all over the place.
Yeah.
Go ahead.
It's just a, it's a, it's a great thing.
It's a great movement, Pat.
I mean, you're obviously serious about what you're doing.
And I, and everybody has to play their part.
Just like, you know, in football, when like Tom Brady wants to come to a team, some people have to take pay cuts on the team.
So that's why I, to make this thing happen, I took a 30% pay cut, which what a noble guy you are.
To make that $100 million million dollars, I'm all in, Pat.
That's why you're Vinny.
I mean, that's why you're Vinny, and that's why you're loved by everybody.
But so let's who this.
Rob, if you got that stuff ready, let's just kind of go through some of these things.
Because right now, gang, if you're watching this, everybody knows what some of the offers are out there outside of what some very powerful people that would probably reach out.
But it's not like people don't know the offers, whether it's, you know, Tom, you've given the names, whether it's, you know, Newsmax, whether it's the OANs of the world, whether it's other legacy, whether it's the Rumbles of the world, whether it's Spotify, whether it's, you know, some billionaire saying, let's come together and start a media company together.
And what if we do this?
And what if we do?
There's so many different options of where to go.
Let's first talk about frustrations that Tucker has shared in different shows over the last few months.
Rob, if you can get a couple of these things prepared for us to just kind of go through.
And these are his words.
So this first one here, what's he sharing on this one?
If you can't zoom in because I can't see it, what's this one about, Rob?
This one's discussing.
Things you can't talk about.
Building 7.
So this is one.
I mean, look, you can't even talk about these types of issues.
Some people are interested in it.
Go ahead and press play.
Last thing I'll say is like, they're not offended by craziness.
They're not offended by conspiracy.
If you go on TV tonight and say, I think the earth is flat, people will just laugh at you.
They don't care if you think the earth is flat.
It's not a threat to anyone.
But if you say, like, what actually happened with Building 7?
Like, that is weird, right?
It doesn't, like, what's that?
If you were to say something like that on television, they'd flip out.
They would flip out.
You'd like lose your job over that.
Why?
Why?
It's my country.
Right.
Is it an attack on my country?
Can I ask you, like, I don't really understand.
Do buildings actually collapse?
No, they, maybe they do.
I don't know.
But, like, why can't I ask questions about that?
Anything you're not allowed to ask questions about is something you should be asking more questions about.
Last thing.
So, so the issue right there, okay.
Is he alone there?
Is he the only person that wants to know what happened to Building 7?
Do you remember the podcast we had with the gentleman that talked about Building 7?
Remember that?
Did they take it down?
Remember that?
Richard Gage.
Richard Take it down, Pat?
I mean, we went back, of course.
We went back and forth.
He said this, he said that.
What about this?
And what about that?
A lot of people have questions on it.
Some of it doesn't make sense.
Some of it doesn't add up.
You look at the clips, you look at the videos.
This just doesn't add up.
Guess what?
There's got to be a place for a person like that to be able to talk about that.
Now, there's a couple different places you can talk about that, but there's formats as well.
There's certain formats that you can create where an audience can go find what you have to say about your thoughts on building seven.
Yeah, Pat, can I ask you a question?
Yeah.
How long until they, because he's talking about they, we know who they are, until they figure out a way to come after the places like we are or the news maxes or because Pat, they're trying.
Yeah, I'm just trying, I'm curious how long you think because they're finding little loopholes to try to come in to sound because this is this is their biggest fear are these conversations are those conversations.
What do you think?
Well, I think we saw a small proxy of that with Parlor.
And remember what happened with Parler, there was some intense pressure put on their hosting partner.
Now, their hosting partner just operates servers.
They buy electricity, they plug in servers, they operate a large infrastructure, and that's where Parlor lived.
Those weren't Parlor servers.
Parlor was renting that space, and pressure was put on the infrastructure, the server people, to say, you know what, we don't want to do business with you, turn you off.
And so there already is like a big chessboard, Denny, and there's pieces that move around to try to shut off that kind of conversation.
And that I looked at that and I was like, wow, isn't that interesting?
You don't like what you say?
Maybe shut off your hosting.
So now you have to go find hosting providers and people that agree with you.
So it's more than just maybe the producers say, hey, we have a lot of pharma advertising on this channel.
So don't be screwing around talking about the allergy meds or Lord God vaccinations.
Don't bring that up.
These guys pay the bills.
They pay your salary and they're big advertisers.
So knock it off.
It could be that simple.
That's a very direct, right?
That's tit for tat, you know, very direct.
Or it can be indirect where they're like, man, we don't like what these people are saying.
Parlor is conservative.
They're getting a little voice out here.
You got the election going on.
Man, we got to, you know what?
Let's put pressure on people to shut their servers off.
So there's a lot of ways out there.
And I think the resistance needs new media companies that can stand up to that resistance and find ways to stand in the middle of the cloud and give that message to the American people that want to hear it.
I love it.
Yeah, I agree, Tom.
I don't think that's going to be something a guy like that should be able to talk about that stuff and let us make a decision.
And say, you know what?
We don't agree.
We don't think you're right.
We think you're right.
Let me go do my own due diligence.
Let me do a little bit of research myself.
Rob, do you have another clip you wanted to show?
I do.
This was Tucker's.
He appeared on the Full Scent podcast where he talked about Jeffrey Epstein being murdered and the fact that Tucker devoted an entire episode of his show to Jeffrey Epstein being murdered and not committing suicide.
And nobody.
Now, here's another question.
How many average Americans are sitting there saying you're so concerned about investigating what happened with what do you call it?
What happened with what's the word?
With Stormy Daniels with the $120,000 hush, hush money.
Why are you so like, this is so important.
We have to figure out, get to the bottom of this.
We have to do this.
Indict him.
Indict him in Manhattan.
Yet a guy, a guy who's a pedophile who has been proven to do what he did, Epstein, you don't want to find out and get to the bottom of that.
Well, look, a lot of average Americans think that's a red flag.
So play this clip of Tucker talking about this.
We know that he was murdered.
He was murdered in the special housing unit of federal lockup in Manhattan.
How do we know he was murdered?
Oh, wow.
Look into it, dude.
We did a whole segment on my show.
Nobody cared.
I'm going to watch it after.
You should.
It's beyond belief.
And I'm very skeptical of any kind of conspiracy theory or whatever.
Why don't more people go after this, though?
We know that he was murdered because, well, for one thing, a friend of mine is one of the people who last talked to him on the phone the day he was killed.
What?
And he had an expectation of a bail hearing in two days.
He thought he was getting out.
He was not despondent at all.
I talked to his lawyer, told me the same thing.
They moved someone out of his cell.
They put two people, one of whom was not even a full-time prison guard, on duty.
None of the cameras trained on the cell worked.
They were all out of it that night.
They locked the front of the special housing unit that had eight cells in it, but then they opened all the cells inside.
So who was it?
So I asked a really simple question, the Bureau of Prisons.
Who were the other?
So there are eight cells, 16 minus his cell because he was alone.
So that means there are 14 other inmates there that night.
What are their names?
Where'd they go?
Some of them are transferred out right after.
Who were these people?
That's a good question.
Can't tell you that.
Really?
You can't tell me that.
On the basis of what?
Because some inmate at a federal prison's privacy concerns like Trump telling, what are you even talking about?
Meanwhile, the Attorney General of the United States under Trump, Bill Barr, issues a statement being like, no, it's totally.
Bill Bard lied.
There's no question that Bill Barr clearly suspected Epstein was murdered, but stopped the investigation into it.
I went and read Bill Barr's book in which he explains all this, and it's like complete bullshit and transparent bullshit.
So I have no idea why the Attorney General of the United States would be lying about this, but there's literally no question that he did.
I know him.
So Bill Barr is super nice guy.
We reach out to Bill Barr like, hey, why don't you come on and explain why you lied about Jeffrey Epstein's death?
No.
Wow.
By the way, how many millions of people?
I'm busy that day.
How many millions of people, tens of millions of people, you think would like to get that question answered?
How many?
I would say hundreds of millions.
We want to know.
Probably 100 million people.
If you're thinking 330 million people in the United States and even third would be 110, there's probably 110 Republicans like to know about that.
Probably 100 million people would very much like to know about that.
It's a fair question that he's asking.
Why don't we go investigate that?
Well, that's called journalism.
And a media company, news outlet, should go investigate that.
You cannot say 100% this happened, that happened, but let's investigate and see what happened with that.
What's this next one, Rob?
So you can say 100% that it's odd and deserves a story.
There's no question 100%.
I think it's more than odd.
Guys, not to stop the video.
It's more than it's we're not stupid.
We get it.
I mean, like, he's a threat.
Well, Tucker's a threat.
That type of conversation, those questions, they don't want to hear because there's so many people at higher levels involved.
The only one guy that got kind of in trouble was who?
Prince Andrew.
Prince Andrew Pat, you know what his punishment was from the queen?
You can't have any like speaking duties.
Yeah, you can't speak in front of the public.
And what?
When you hear somebody talk about these, I don't even want to call them taboo conversations, but these topics that people have deemed taboo, like Jeffrey Epstein, like World Trade Center 7, you immediately pigeonhole them as right-wing conspiracy theorists.
But this is a video from 2019, ABC's Good Morning America's Amy Roebuck, a Roeback.
I remember this.
She just left the network after she was involved in that affair with another guy.
But this is a video that she was captured on video off mic talking about how she had the Jeffrey Epstein story and the network made her sit on it for three years.
So you could sit here and make the claim, well, if you believe Jeffrey Epstein killed himself, you are was murdered, then you must be a right-wing conspiracy theorist.
But then you look at this, which is a ABC for all, all intents and purposes.
It's not a right-wing or a left-wing media outlet.
And this is what she had to say about the investigation that ABC made her not report on.
Gosh, when the red light's on, you're not supposed to talk.
Yeah, shut up, Amy.
Can you refresh that to CFIDL clips?
Because I know exactly what this clip is, and it's a great one.
Just try one more time to see if it'll happen.
Again, so Tucker's not the only person that's asking this question.
So are other people.
This has got nothing to do with left or right.
This is just people that are curious.
Go ahead.
I've had the story for three years.
I've had this interview with Virginia Roberts.
We would now put it on the air.
First of all, I was told who's Jeffrey Epstein.
No one knows who that is.
This is a stupid story.
Then the palace found out that we had her whole allegations about Prince Andrew and threatened us a million different ways.
We were so afraid we wouldn't be able to interview Kate that we that also quashed the story.
And then Alan Dershowitz was also implicated in it because of the planes.
She told me everything.
She had pictures.
She had everything.
She was in hiding for 12 years.
We convinced her to come out.
We convinced her to talk to us.
It was unbelievable what we had.
Clinton, we had everything.
Should we not be able to do that?
I tried for three years to get it on to no avail.
And now it's all coming out.
And it's like these new revelations that I freaking had all of it.
I'm just so pissed right now.
Like every day I get more and more pissed because I'm just like, oh my God.
What?
We had some real other women back here.
Producers are probably going nuts behind the screens right now.
Like, what are you saying?
ABC's fury.
This thing was leaked.
Pat, they're pissed.
Lost in the middle of the day.
Oh, they're furious.
Who is Epstein?
Like, who's Jeffrey Epstein?
What do you mean who was Jeffrey Epstein?
Meanwhile, she's not a freedom fighter.
She's just saying, damn it, I lost a Pulitzer.
She lost, because of Pat.
And at the end of the day, it's good.
I'm not being overly spiritual or religious.
It's good and evil and evil right now is winning because you can't even say it.
They're so protected.
It's insane.
Look at JFK Pet.
How many years ago was that?
They're still hiding documents.
They're still saying, no, you guys can't see this because we're not smart enough to figure it out.
We're not stupid.
We're just living in a different era.
The difference between 1964, you know, when, you know, November 22nd, when JFK's assassination happened, and today, there's one thing that wasn't around back then.
There was no social media.
There was no citizenship.
There was no people just getting out there and talking about what they thought about it.
There was no podcasting.
There was no, let me tell you what I think about this.
There was no people that just got up and said, I need to get to the bottom of this.
It was just legacy media.
That's the one thing you have to take.
You have to listen to what they have to say.
And that was it.
You cannot do that today.
There's a lot of people that are questioning.
So Tucker saying this on legacy, who's been in it with Fox for 14 years, is saying, listen, even me at a place like Fox can't really talk about what I really want to talk about sometimes.
And you know what was really interesting about the Kennedy assassination?
You just said the word citizen journalism.
The Kennedy assassination would have been a canned story from the U.S. government if it wasn't for one citizen standing at the edge of the grassy knoll on a piece of concrete with a small video camera.
And his name is Adrian Zapruder.
And if it wasn't for Adrian Zapruder, the, you know, Kennedy killed by Oswald, the whole thing would have gone there.
And instead, they started talking to other people.
They had the Zapruder film.
They talked to other people, but it was citizen, a little citizen who became citizen journalism.
He was just, he was doing that for himself.
I'm going to go down and take pictures.
The president's going to be driving by.
He's got an early little movie camera going to show his family.
Oh my gosh, that's where I was.
For a member example.
They didn't release that film once they had possession of it.
That film was not released until 1975 when Geraldo Rivera did a Good Morning America at Night special.
So that video they knew was around for 12 years before it was shown to the public.
Wait, frame 194?
I wonder why.
Here it comes.
I wonder why.
I mean, literally, really, I wonder why.
Speaking of JFK, Tucker devoted an episode to the JFK assassination.
And this is a very interesting clip.
It's only 27 seconds.
Go for it.
Yeah, of course.
We spoke to someone who had access to these still hidden CIA documents.
A person was deeply familiar with what they contain.
We asked this person directly, did the CIA have a hand in the murder of John F. Kennedy, an American president?
And here's the reply we received verbatim.
Quote, the answer is yes.
I believe they were involved.
It's a whole different country from what we thought it was.
It's all fake.
Wow.
I can't tell you how many people have sat down with from the JFK side because I've always been curious about what happened here.
Again, this is the American history.
We should know what's wrong with digging in and wanting to know more.
The fact that he is asking that question.
And if you were to ask yourself, why does Joe Rogan kick major ass on podcasts?
Maybe because he asks questions and thinks thoughts and has concerns millions of others have.
Why?
Why does Tucker Carlson do as well as he does with his numbers?
By the way, you have his numbers because the only thing we talked about today on the podcast was the Friday numbers, which was his last show, was 2.6 million.
But can you go to the previous days if you have them?
Do you have all of them or do you not have all them?
So this is the week of April 17th, the week before Tucker got fired.
These are the ratings across the board.
So Monday night, 3.174 million, whereas CNN had, yeah, 635,000.
One fifth.
One fifth.
MSNBC had 1.4 million people.
Then you go to Tuesday, 3.22 million for Fox, 750,000 for CNN, 1.3 million for MSNBC.
Wednesday, 3 million.
Yep, across the board.
You go to Thursday, 2.9 million.
And then Friday, his final show, 2.6 million people.
But let's fast forward to the week that Tucker's gone and we go to Monday.
Monday, you're at 2.5.
First one.
Makes sense.
Because people are tuning in to see who's going to be on.
Tuesday, 1.7 million.
I don't like that guy.
Wednesday, 1.3 million.
He's boring.
Thursday, it goes up a little bit, 1.4 million.
And then Friday, they hit a weekly low of 1.153 million people.
And for those of you who think these numbers might be fudged, they're from adweek.com.
So these are what people base their ad revenues on.
And by the way, did you notice that even Tucker being down, Cooper went down?
Yeah, it went down 100,000.
Well, they didn't move.
They didn't go up.
So CNN and MSNBC didn't get more audience.
As a matter of fact, as Pat was just saying, Anderson Cooper went down.
He went down.
He dropped.
He went from 660, 730 to 580.
Wow.
So it's the argument that if they're not on Fox and channel switching, maybe they're not on cable news at all.
So in other words, Anderson Cooper is begging for Tucker to be back because it's hurting his business.
Of course, during the commercial upgrade, maybe they jump over to him to see if the privileged son of a Vanderbilt could be talking about cats stuck in trade.
It's like CNN when Trump got back into the middle.
When CNN got back to the camera, people want to know.
Yeah, they definitely want to know.
Go ahead.
It's like that with CNN.
Like CNN is begging for Trump.
You know how bad they want Trump to be arguing and getting back into the races?
Because their ratings are going to go up.
Their ratings went up during the whole indictment thing and now they're back to nothing.
So, Pat, here's my question to you.
What do you think?
Because Tucker's been in this business for how long?
He's even said it on the full set.
He's been for a while.
For a long time.
What happened in here?
I know they fired him, but something happened, I think, in him where he's just like, because he was speaking out a lot lately.
Do you think it's his career went to cause where he's like, no, it's more than just the money?
Because he has all the money in the world.
He's rich as hell.
Say it again.
What did you just say?
He went from career to cause.
Like, it's bigger than just the money and the numbers and this.
It's his voice.
He's actually, that's why I respect the hell out of him.
He wants to let the people know, Pat, all this thing.
So you make your own decision.
Yeah.
You know, musicians that happened to Bono with you too.
His career clearly went to cause a whole red campaign and trying to raise money for AIDS in Africa.
I think there is a moment where you cross over and you say, you know what?
I'm no longer a tool of this industry I grew up in.
And remember all the wonderful, nice things that Bono had to say about the music industry?
And then he was with the UN and with Kofi Anna.
And I think there is a moment where you go to cause.
Here's what you have to think about.
And I'm going to give a completely different analogy for you.
And I'm going to bring Brady, I'll bring Kobe, and I'll bring a few other guys.
Okay, so think about, think about when I was in a company, a prior company, I got started in that company April of 2002.
And I got him with a dream.
I'm like, man, I'm working 80 hours a week.
I want to go out there and do what I was.
I'm on fire.
Boom, boom, boom.
And then all of a sudden, I realized the guy at the top, we have a meeting together with him in Hawaii.
And I'm asking him a question.
You don't look like you're working.
Every time you tell me, well, come to this dinner.
Oh, they canceled last minute.
Oh, no, no, no.
I'm going to come to this.
It cancer, cancel, cancel.
It was constant cancellation and winging about what he was going to do next to help grow the company.
Nothing was happening.
Finally, I confronted him and we sat down.
We had a talk in Hawaii.
And everybody's looking at this meeting.
And I said, listen, man, I don't believe you're doing this anymore because you love this business.
I think you're doing this just because of money and you're done.
You would much rather play golf and do other things.
And I don't.
I want to play ball.
But I need you to be straight up with me.
He says, well, you know, I want you to look at me in my eyes when you're talking to me.
He says, well, the sun's in my face.
I said, let's switch.
You said you.
So we switched.
I said, tell me.
And he eventually said, you're right.
I don't know what my next move is.
I don't know if I love this as much as I did.
I said, great.
But I do.
I'm still wanting to do this because I'm on fire about this business.
Great.
So then I leave and I go and decide what I want to do next.
We start our own company.
When Kobe was playing with the Lakers, who was the owner of the Lakers when Kobe was playing with the Lakers?
Jerry Buss.
Jerry Buss.
Okay.
So what is the relationship of Jerry Buss to Kobe, to the GM, to the head coach?
What's Kobe looking for?
Kobe's game is to do what?
What's his responsibility?
Improve himself, improve his footwork, summertime, go hang out with some, you know, offseason, go hang out with the Rockets, Elajuan, see if you can do better footwork, train, make sure your health is good.
Don't party too much.
Don't go crazy.
Don't do this.
Don't do that.
GM's job is to do what?
To put people around you, to put supporting counsel.
What's Jerry Buss's job?
Every year, set up the company, set up the organization to win a championship.
Okay, no problem.
Great.
So there is roles that everybody has.
Okay, Tom Brady, another guy that played 20-some years, and he played under New England Patriots for many years.
What's his head coach's job?
To want to win.
Bill Belichick is a true believer.
He's not doing it because he wants a paycheck.
Phil Jackson's not doing it because he wants a paycheck.
Phil has got how many championships?
He's got 12 as a coach and one as a player.
Yeah, he's got 12 total.
Six with Michael, five with Kobe, one with the New York Knicks.
I think 1972.
I may be off on the years.
So he's got 12 championships.
Phil is not doing it because he wants another house in Montana.
He does it for the love of the game in history, okay?
All right, no problem.
Bill Belichick, love of the game.
Tom Brady, love of the game.
Kraft, love of the game.
Let's go build the biggest organization.
Let's win a bunch of chips.
Six of them, right?
So the thing that changes, the thing that changes when you're at Fox, no one knows if Rupert Murdoch changed the love of the game.
No one knows if it's all now with the sons and the influences change because it's, you know, well, you know, these kids know what they're talking about.
Let them kind of do this stuff.
And behind closed doors, they're like, listen, you're putting the wrong leaders in decision-making process and you're forgetting who the eyeballs are.
People are coming here for us.
When I was in the former company, there was a lady.
Let's call her Susan.
She at one point started having more authority than the leaders that were building the company and she was a home office employee.
And she would say, you can't speak.
You can't do this and you can't do that.
And she would hank up on people.
And I remember one time I'm like, who is this lady?
So when those types of people get more influence and the way they talk to talent, they forget who is king.
You're bound to lose the company.
And you're bound to lose people like Tucker.
Now, in this case, there's also a lady there named Susan, whatever her name is.
Suzanne.
Suzanne.
If she thinks she's bigger than Tucker, the game is done.
You are not bigger than Tucker.
Nobody comes to Fox to watch you.
People come to Fox to watch Tucker.
This is the issue Michael had with the ownership of Chicago, Jerry and Jerry.
Well, it's because of the GM.
If it wasn't for us, we wouldn't be able to put the team together.
And then Michael says, what?
Listen, I didn't see you playing tonight.
We got to still go score some points and win the game.
Okay.
And so there was a conflict there.
The point I'm trying to make to you is we don't know the real conflict behind closed doors on how they view Tucker.
You know how annoying it is that your name is Suzanne.
And everywhere you go, people say stuff like, well, if it wasn't for Tucker, you guys wouldn't be number one.
Well, if it wasn't for Tucker, you wouldn't be number one.
Well, listen, how about us?
I mean, did you see I was ranked on Mediaite as the number one most power player?
Yeah, but if it wasn't for Tucker, you wouldn't be.
Yeah, but if it wasn't for Tucker, can you imagine how sometimes people who are non-players, their dream is to be a player, they sit there and they say, what?
Well, what about me?
Well, what about me?
And what about me?
And what about me?
So then this brings me to a movie that we just watched, which is what?
Air.
One of the best.
In a movie, Air, you see Sonny Vaccaro, who is working at Nike.
Nike has got 17% of NBA players at the time.
Converse is 54%.
And it's Adidas.
That's really what the numbers were like.
Nobody was going to Nike.
And Nike's players were the B's.
Nike's players were the B's.
They were not the number one draft pick.
Converse had Bird, Magic.
Everybody, Julius Irving.
Adidas had everybody.
So here's always, what are we going to be doing?
What are we going to be going after?
But the difference between Converse and the difference between Adidas was Phil Knight had a vision with Nike.
Phil Knight was at the office every day.
Phil Knight wanted to build Nike.
Who won?
Michael won.
Sonny won.
Phil won.
Nike won.
Everybody.
We all won.
Fans won.
Everybody won.
The NBA won.
Even the NBA collecting fines from Nike at $5,000 a game for wearing red shoes.
They won.
Everybody won.
So in a case like this, the most important thing you have to think about with someone like this is, if I go to sleep at night, okay, what things do you not want to stress out about?
As a talent, you don't want to be stressed out about what's going on at the company you're working on.
Of course.
You don't want to go to sleep thinking, what are they going to be doing?
You know, what are they going to be?
So right now, if these guys are trying to silence a guy like Tucker, let's just say if they're saying, well, you can't, we're not going to let him have anybody.
You can't sign with anybody.
We're going to pay you out.
We're going to hold you in the contract.
If they try to hold him hostage, it's going to be a very big thing that'll backfire with that organization.
You know why?
If they try to hold him hostage, here's what Fox needs to know.
Say they try to hold Tucker Carlson hostage and they don't release him from the contract.
Great.
What happens with all the talent that are looking at going with Fox?
Guess what they're going to be thinking?
Dude, this is that type of company.
I'm not going to go into a hostage crisis type of a situation.
I'm just not going to do that.
If they're trying to do that, I don't know the details.
I made a reference of Stefan Marbury where the team is trying to hold him hostage.
If they're trying to do that, no, Pat, you and I follow professional sports a lot, but don't, isn't it interesting where you will also have like a horrifying franchise.
And if your agent, even if they were going to back up the truck for you, your agent comes back and says, the Seattle Supersonics have made a big offer.
And you'd be like, it's bigger than a Laker offer.
Yeah, but tell me about the Laker offer again.
Yeah, because you just want to go there.
Pat, guys, there's some organizations that just, you wouldn't go to those organizations.
And Rob, go do it.
Well, Pat, you brought up a good point.
You brought up Mediaite, and Mediaite actually did the most influential in News Media 2022 list.
This is from December.
But I'm going to scroll to the bottom.
I'm going to give you the first three.
And then number four is Tucker.
But number one is Susan.
Exactly.
I remember this.
We talked about this.
She's number one.
She's a number one power project.
She's not a broadcaster.
She runs the network.
Number two, biggest names in media.
Elon Musk.
Not a broadcaster, but he owns Twitter.
But he should be number one, by the way.
A platform operator.
Number three, Chris Licht and David Zelda.
Does this make sense?
Fine.
Not a broadcaster.
Yep.
The first broadcaster that appears on the list is number four, Tucker Carlson.
Which is number one talent.
So he is the number one broadcaster in the United States.
As far as being on television, who would you say is a close number two?
Rogan?
To who?
To Tucker?
As far as a broadcaster in the United States.
So the way I would put it, I would put it two separate things.
I know they don't combine it that way.
They put everybody as the same.
It's two different leagues they're playing in.
These are two different leagues.
And what I mean by two different leagues is two different sports.
Tucker is number one in mainstream media.
Rogan is number one for podcast.
These are two different games.
And FYI, you know who else you got to put on that list?
Ben Shapiro.
Yeah, Ben Shapiro, when it comes down to politics, he's probably, I would put, I would probably put Ben Shapiro on politics number one for podcasting.
I don't know if I put anybody on the podcast inside above Shapiro.
I would put podcasting, period.
Rogan is obviously the GOAT, period.
Politics specific, it's going to be Shapiro.
And then obviously Tucker's number one for mainstream media.
Would you say Ben Shapiro has a bigger reach than Anderson Cooper?
No way.
You think Anderson Cooper has a bigger reach than Ben Shapiro?
Oh, no way.
Oh, no, man.
So independent broadcaster over established media.
It's not even close.
Glenn Beck over, let's just go with Anderson Cooper again.
Glenn Beck, I don't follow him as closely as I do with Shapiro, but I would say Beck at his peak, Beck was crushing it.
He was a number one guy on TV at one point.
But today, I would say Beck is probably still beating Anderson Cooper.
Jed and I made a great point on this morning's podcast.
And if you did not happen to watch it, go back and watch it.
But she talked about the death of mainstream media and the rise of independent broadcasters.
And you asked her a very specific question about Tucker and why there wasn't this excitement around Bill O'Reilly, why there wasn't this excitement about Megan Kelly leaving.
And she said it's the rise of the independent broadcaster.
I think we're in it.
This is it.
This is the moment where it shifts definitively from mainstream media and people watching it and consuming it as the way that they've always had to now everybody is going to make this shift, the majority of people towards these independent broadcasters, the Blaze, Daily Wire, Value Tame, et cetera.
Good.
Yeah.
I mean, look, the one thing you have to know is, you know, when you're in sales and you have a market or when you're running a company and let's just say you're a real estate guy or let's just say you're an insurance guy and 30% of your sales and your clientele comes from a golf course that you go to on a monthly basis where you're a member at.
And so you meet your clients over there, right, as an insurance person.
And you got another 40% that comes from you going to, I don't know, I'm just making stuff up from a local, what do you call Chamber of Commerce meetings that you go to.
Another 30% is referrals that come to you.
You can't all of a sudden give up the 30% you're getting from the country club and just go all, what do you call it?
Go all Chamber of Commerce.
His 8 o'clock is part of his audience, and that's the 65 plus audience.
But the question becomes, is he transferable to go to the 25 to 40 year old audience?
Does that audience want to hear him?
You just saw he went on full send podcast.
Their audience is what?
It's a younger podcast.
You saw Trump went on full send, 8 million views within 24 hours.
What does it say?
That audience wants to hear you.
Exactly.
They want to talk to you.
So the way I would structure this would be in a different way because I think there's also price that some people that want to hear what Tucker has to say.
You got to pay premium for it.
Of course.
There's some stuff that's going to be public and you're going to distribute it everywhere.
There's some stuff you want to hear this, what he has to say.
That's going to be all private and you got to pay for this.
There's going to be a paywall for you to have to pay for it.
I'll be 100% honest with you, Pat.
So I'm still using my ex-girlfriend's login for Fox and everything.
Well, I'm just being honest.
It just finished.
I'm not joking.
It just finished.
She's a great ex.
She's amazing.
This is your ex-girlfriend.
This is my ex-girlfriend.
And mind you, I have her Netflix, everything.
The only thing that expired was the Fox thing.
And it happened two days before they let go of Tucker.
Obviously, I would have paid for it if he still stayed there, but there's absolutely no way that I would pay for it now.
If he goes somewhere else, that's OTT, 1,000% I would pay to listen to him.
That's because he's worth it, Pat.
You feel me?
I pay to listen to him.
And by the way, let me tell you this.
I would almost want him to have something on OTT where he can let her rip and just talk.
And I go there and listen to it.
I almost want, FYI.
Let me also talk to the audience.
Let me also talk to the audience.
So, audience, I'm going to talk to you.
And I kind of want you to hear me out here and let's kind of process this thing together.
Okay.
If my argument makes sense to you, buy it.
If it doesn't make sense to you, don't buy it.
Okay.
Here we go.
So some people may say, well, yeah, you know, I would love for Tucker to get a voice and blah, And I would love for that to happen.
Hey, you know, Elon Musk, I would love Elon Musk to not have to rely on big pharma sponsorship and all this other stuff.
Hey, I would love for Elon to not have to need money from Pfizer and all these other guys and all these companies that are saying they're canceling the membership.
I would love for that to happen.
Hey, I would love.
Okay, check this out.
Netflix has 216 million users worldwide that pay an average of $12 a month.
Let me say that one more time to you.
216 million users, Netflix has, that are paying 12 bucks a month.
By the way, I'm helping for that.
And odds are you're contributing towards that.
And odds are you're contributing towards that.
Vinny's not.
My ex-girlfriend's doing that.
That's neither here nor there.
If you're watching this, if you're watching this, if I can get your attention, Tom, if you're watching this and you're saying, well, I don't like the fact that Netflix does the woke and Disney does this and Disney does that and what?
No problem.
Then when other OTTs come that are trying to fight that and they tell you $14.99, $12.99, whether it's Daily Wire, whether it's whatever, guess what?
Pay it.
Pay it.
Don't go say, I don't care whatever.
Pay it.
Because what you're doing to them, that money is going to be used to go get talent.
So this relationship is a two-way highway.
I remember I would go to charity events and I would say, Jen, these guys are going to want some money tonight.
Get the checkbook ready.
We got to cut some money tonight.
Okay, great.
We're sitting there.
And I would say, if the argument's good, we'll cut the check.
And I would sit there and say, oh my God, this is such a great point.
We don't need one of those machines.
We need five of those machines.
How much is each machine?
$59,000.
You know what?
Five machines?
$300,000.
You know what?
Absolutely.
We'll support it.
We were planning on only giving this much.
Here's the money.
Because it made sense.
We need five of those machines in that city instead of just needing one machine.
So, audience, this is a two-way highway.
If you're sitting there not happy about it, you got to fund and help those companies that can do something with that money to get that voice to be bigger.
And then this is going to be crazier.
You got to go and get that vote of other people also subscribing, just like we get somebody to get elected.
So when I had Rudy Giuliani on the podcast and we're having a conversation on the, what do you call it, in 5990 Live, and he was talking about, well, the election this and the election that and election this.
I'm like, you know, I'm not for it.
I'm not for it.
He says, what do you mean I'm not for it?
I said, here's what I'm for.
If you think there's going to be any kind of cheating going on in the election, guess what?
What?
Get seven people to go vote for, vote with you.
Nobody should go vote by themselves.
What do you mean?
When you go to vote, do you typically go vote by yourself?
Yes.
Moving forward, just like the army, we had the buddy rule.
What's the buddy rule?
Bring somebody by the way.
Always have a buddy with you?
Yep.
This year, 2024, guess what?
You should not elect, you should not vote alone.
You're going to go vote.
Pull somebody from the office with you.
Hey, John, you want to go vote with me?
Let's go.
Hey, you want to go vote me?
Let's go.
Don't go vote by yourself.
What's the point?
We got to become a little bit more also, you know, collectively in this tribal leadership to say, let's bring people as well.
If you like, like let's just say, let's say this opportunity happens and we bring Tucker and Tucker decides to do this.
Okay.
And we have the conversation.
Announcements made.
Tucker's coming to Vale Timmin.
Fantastic.
Guess what?
Whatever is going to be in a private platform where Tucker can speak freely and that is announced, whether it's with us or anybody else, if we don't get them, I'm telling you right now, anybody else that goes gets him.
I'm telling you, go support it.
God willing, it's with us because we believe we're the right fit.
But if it's not, go support it.
And FYI, let me prep you a little bit more.
This is how sometime when we started a company, this is what I said when I first started the insurance company.
I said, guys, I want you to be thinking about this.
What's that?
We're about to make this announcement, this technology.
I'll never forget Bamboo when we first launched it, Tom.
You weren't there when we launched it.
It was the ugliest three months of my business career.
Every day we were at the office till 1.30 in the morning with customer service live Zoom with so many different things breaking with this.
And I kept telling her about, guys, be patient.
But I prepped everybody for six months.
Not everything's going to go perfectly well.
Be patient.
Be patient.
Boom.
It's crazy.
We had three of our employees that used to work here.
And these guys were, I said, listen, be patient.
Long term, we're going to do something big.
They're all diehard guys.
We just announced that we want to do something with Tucker.
They're all texting me saying, oh, my God, never thought that was this.
I said, well, you were impatient.
If you were patient, we told you the vision is really big.
When Tucker goes anywhere in the first month, two months, three months, six months, is not working at the pace you want it to be, be patient.
The relationship is both ways.
That organization's got to figure out the kinks and you got to figure out the kinks.
The benefit of going to a place like Fox, the benefit of going to a place like NBC, the benefit of going to a place like CBS or any of these places, guess what they have?
They have 600 employees that are overpaid that can go and work on one person's project, 50 people on one person's project.
But if you go to an independent organization that is not a $12 billion company, $7 billion company, and they're coming up, they don't have those resources yet.
So the level of patient needs to be higher because the exchanges, while you go to NBC, ABC mainstream, you're muzzled because you can't talk about everything because your biggest sponsor is Pfizer.
Over here, you are not muzzled.
You can talk about everything, but you don't have the 600 employees and you got to be kind of patient for this thing to develop.
But if the relationship with the users and the customers and the capitalists, the entrepreneur, the talent is honest and sincere, long term, we're going to win this fight.
But it's not going to be just the talent and the company and not the involvement of the talent, what do you call it, the fans and the audience getting involved as well.
This is going to take a real teamwork effort the next three, five, 10, 20 years for us to win this fight.
And by the way, if there's ever been a fight worth fighting, this is it.
I was looking at a book upstairs shown to seven of our executives about 10-year-olds, what book they're getting on sex education.
I'm showing this clip and the book is sold millions on top of millions of copies in public schools.
They're shown positions on how two boys can have sex in school.
Two girls can have sex in school.
Then you have the missionary, which is a boy and a girl, which is, you know, regular.
A 10-year-old guy, a 10-year-old boy is going to learn how to have sex with another boy.
Listen, if there's ever been a time that it's going to take everyone's effort, we're just sitting around bitching and complaining about it.
It's not going to mean anything.
You got to get involved.
You got to support.
If you support a brand, if it's not us, go support somebody else, support them.
If it's us, support us.
Collectively, 10, 20 years from now, we're going to look back and say, we did this together.
It's not going to be a one-man show.
It's not going to be a one-team show.
It's going to be collective effort with you and us doing it together.
Without you, there is no value tame.
Without you, there's no PBD podcast.
Without you, we don't have this media company.
Without you, you and I don't meet each other.
Without you, we don't have all these people that are working here.
This has been collective.
I'm grateful for you guys, but I just want to prep you.
And I hope this kind of made sense to some of you guys that are still watching this.
I'm going to ask you for more.
If you say, Pat, we're going to do this.
We kind of need to get to the next phase of we're going to need your help at the next level.
You know, till today, I'll tell you one thing about value attainment.
Tom, when we were building the insurance company, you know my salary, not when we sold the company, but you know my salary when we were building an insurance company.
Was I ever the highest paid guy in the company?
Absolutely not.
You were not even in the top 10.
What was I paying myself salary was?
You know, you were part of the payroll.
Can you tell Bradi what I was making?
Barely 100 grand.
And by the way, a lot of that was benefits because you got the medical package for your family.
Eventually, my salary went up to 250, okay, salary.
And then if the company did well, I got something of the EBITDA, 5% of whatever the EBITDA was above $5 million of EBITDA.
So it's not like it's millions of dollars.
I'm getting another $100,000, $200,000, $300,000 of bonus.
But it was based on growing the company.
I didn't have any problem.
Till today, from Valutainment, day one till today.
You know how much money I've taken off the table from Valutainment?
Zero.
I don't take a salary from this.
I don't take profits at the end of the year.
Everything's reinvested into Valutainment because vision is real.
So when we're doing what we're doing, I was like, oh my God, Cameron, we have to pay that.
We're not doing this because I'm trying to go buy another car.
I've made a good decision.
I've done well for myself financially, where we've set aside a good amount of money and we sold the insurance company.
This is a project of 40 years.
I'm going 40 years with media, with Valutain, period.
I say this a long time ago, and I'm saying it right now.
I don't need another exit to become financially free.
We are going on a 40-year run.
God willing, we're healthy.
I'm 44.
If I live up to 84, thank you, God.
I've already lived an incredible life.
The things I've done, I'm very happy about it.
But the next 40 years, God willing, we'll be able to compete in the marketplace.
And with guys like Tucker, once-in-a-lifetime type of a guy, you know, you like the guy, you want to hear more of the guy.
You want to hear his perspective.
You want to hear what questions he's asking.
The way he goes and researches, the way he interviews people, his charisma, his authenticity.
There's a lot of people that want to see this guy run.
There's people that are talking about why does that just announce and go run for president?
Why don't you just go run for office?
He may even just announce it.
I'm going to go run for office.
You know what would happen?
What a shakeup it would be if he made that kind of announcement.
But what's the point?
The point is, people are saying that because they would like a guy like this to run the country.
If he chooses to do that, great.
If he chooses to join a platform like ours, great.
If we're here, oh my God.
Oh, I can tell you his future looks bright.
But no matter where he goes, we're going to support the guy.
You say that we believe in him.
I hope the people, and thank you everybody that is supporting value tapement.
Thank you, Pat.
I just have to say that off the rip.
But first of all, I don't think he should 100% do not do anything political, Pat, because you saw what they did with Trump.
They're going to 100% go after him as well.
What do you think, Tom?
If he did anything political, what would happen to him?
Tucker?
Tucker.
Tucker's going to make more of a difference and be more of a candidate than anybody realizes.
He could be tremendous.
But I think his voice, his talents, look, you know, you look at who is Tucker.
I look at him.
He's an entrepreneur.
He created Daily Caller.
He's a producer.
He has an eye for content.
He's a voice and a personality of his own show.
He's also an author.
If you ever read Ship of Fools, you should read Ship of Fools.
It's a great book.
Kind of funny, too.
You step back and look at that.
You know why I recognize all that?
Because we're all that.
I mean, look at Pat.
Pat's a multi-time entrepreneur.
He's an author.
He's a producer, my gosh.
And he's his own voice and personality.
We understand that.
And we are that.
And so I look at all that and I kind of see, I said, wow, you know, Tucker is very much like us.
Could he be very well in the political sphere?
Absolutely.
But I think he still has a voice, an opportunity, and he could take his time and talents and really, you know, drive in service to America what we're talking about.
Can I tell you selfishly where I'm at?
Let me tell you selfishly where I'm at.
Okay.
As a guy who wants to run with this guy, we'd love for him to be here.
But I'm telling you, if he ran, I'm 100% supportive behind it because I think he would be the number two guy overnight.
I agree.
He would be number two guy overnight.
I'd be right with you, and that's for my tripod.
Number two guy overnight.
So purely support.
I said this to Megan earlier.
Megan's like, so what do you think about the fact that the video just came out and the fact that he said this and he said that and this video that was released and leaked by you know Fox and what are your thoughts about this?
You know what my answer was?
I said, listen, you know what history tells us?
People who had the audacity to fight a fight against the bullies and bully the bully were never perfect.
They were not the people that you saw them.
You're like, oh my God, what a fantastic this.
Now, Churchill was able to do something Chamberlain couldn't do.
Okay, it's just period.
Ulysses S. Grant was able to do something.
McClellan, who was all he wanted to do is train, train, for, you know, for Abraham Lincoln.
All he wanted to do was train, constantly train the soldiers.
Listen, Lincoln's like, listen, how many more months do you need to train your guys?
Let's roll.
No, they're not fully trained yet.
Dude, we got to go to war.
We got to win this war.
No, they're not trained yet.
Ulysses S. Grant.
I keep trying to get a hold of him.
I can't get a hold of him.
Lincoln is furious because he can't hear back from Ulysses S. Grant.
When he hears from him, guess what he says?
We won.
And guess what Ulysses S. Grant was?
Drunk, all this other stuff.
What happens to Grant after Lincoln dies?
Two-term president.
Okay.
So the point is, we can go back and talk about how, you know, so much of, well, what about this?
And what about that?
And what about this?
Listen, we're looking for somebody who's a dog of a fighter.
When I say dog, I mean a dog fight.
This guy's got the dog fight in him.
You know, when was the first time I fell in love with this guy?
I'm like, I fucking like this guy.
Was when Jon Stewart came in to try to bully him and I watched him.
You know how many times I watched that?
You want me to tell you how many times I watched that clip?
I watched it with the bow tie.
You know how many times I watched that club?
200 times.
If I tell you 200 times, that's a low number.
Really?
Do you know, like for me in basketball, I watch more post-game interviews than I watch the game.
I'm a post-game interview guy.
I watched the other day John Morant, You Lost.
What's your comment?
So, hey, John, what do you have to say about the fact that I don't think about anybody in the West?
He said, Well, I have to deal with that.
You know, it is what it is.
Yeah.
Weak answer.
Hey, Giannis, do you consider this year a failure?
Eric, you asked me the same question last year, okay?
When Stewart came in and he was a main guy, and you try to bully him, you just watch Tucker.
And I'm telling you, Tucker never forgot that.
And as much as John peaked, Tucker took it all a whole different level.
It was a way of saying, look, man, I'm not going to get bullied.
It's very hard to find people like Tucker.
We've never had dinner together before.
We've never broken bread.
I'm not sitting here saying we're friends.
Oh, you know, it's my buddy.
Nope, I've never said that.
And I'm not here to say that because we've never had any kind of up until this conversation taking place, we've never had anything that has ever happened, right?
But when I see a guy like that, that's that video took place with John trying to make you guys just, you got to stop.
You're terrible.
You're this.
And you see his reaction.
And then all of a sudden, you see him going from the bow tie to who he was.
And I hear saying, you know, under shadow of all the people.
And then boom, he's at the top.
Listen, I relate to underdogs.
That guy was an underdog.
Now he's at the top.
And he's got a good, I think he's got a good 10 to 15 year run of being on fire.
And his voice is needed.
Every night, people are asking, where's this guy's voice?
So, anyways, look, we want to do this live podcast simply because there's a lot of questions that's being asked.
If you want to find out more about the story, Rob, if you can put the link below for people to go find it, you can see the clip as well with me and Megan Kelly.
I actually really like the conversation we had with Megan Kelly today.
Her show, man, she's rocking.
She just crossed a million subs.
She's doing big.
Congratulations, Megan.
Obviously, big milestone.
She's always been one of the greatest to ever do it.
But Megan seems to be like, right now, it's like, you're like, hey, she's like everywhere now, back at it.
Like she wants, you know, so I'm excited to see.
I hope she becomes one of the moderators for the election because she was very good when she was out there asking the questions.
Anyways, if you want to see that, put the link below as well.
The link to the article and the offers that we made.
You can find it on Twitter all over the place.
Gang.
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