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Episode 196, folks.
Welcome.
We are live with a special guest, somebody I spent time with in UK, I think three years ago, four years ago, Katie Hopkins.
It's good to have you on.
Thank you very much.
It's good to be here.
Yeah, so let me tell you the story of what happened when I was in UK.
She's known, Katie, your reputation is just phenomenal, friendly.
You know, she's a big fan of fat tax.
She believes there's no way in the world if I take care of my health and I'm on a flight and I'm a good, you know, 120 pounds and I have to pay for extra luggage, but you're 300 pounds.
We should pay for that additional 180 pounds you're putting on the plane line.
Like common sense type of stuff she believes in.
And she's a professional talking smack.
Like before we even got started, Vinny got a mouthful from her.
She yelled at me pretty loud like I had control over the mic.
But when we were, when I was in UK, I lost my wallet and I left the wallet in the cab.
You called around until we found the cab and until we found the wallet.
That's what she did, which was awesome.
And it was a good soul.
I was just looking there.
So that's sort of my LGBT haircut that freaked everybody out.
So Americans were always like, well, hold on, she's got short hair.
She must be a lesbian.
And that's kind of my prison break outfit.
Hanging out too much with lobsters.
That was your monster days.
Your Roger Stone.
To be clear, you are not LGBT.
No, I'm not.
I mean, I could be because as you get older, you just have to sort of widen your opportunities.
So, you know, take what you can get.
I was open to the idea.
I'm open into that.
Yeah, but no, I was never a lesbian in this, but I just always had to make it clear.
I'd had some head, some surgery on my brain.
And so I had short hair.
But it was terrifying for conservative audiences everywhere.
Yeah.
Not a lesbian.
No, but they're not.
When you play one on TV.
She's one of them.
She's one of those.
So let me tell you, we got a surprise, guys.
We got a lot of topics to go through.
Obviously, the timing couldn't have been better for you to be here and Liz Truss resigns after 44 days.
We'll get into that.
We'll talk about what's happening with power bills.
What's going on in the UK with the prices, the economy there.
And then at the same time, we have two special guests here today.
Let me tell you who's going to be on.
Zooming in.
One of them is going to be, are you familiar with Phoebe Plummer and Anna Holland?
Do you know who they are?
So they are the ones that are part of the just oil activists.
They went and they threw soup all over Van Gogh's sunflower painting.
They can join us today and they're going to explain why they glued their hands against the wall and they have to explain.
And we want to find out why they're on.
Okay.
So it's going to be a pure shot.
Shut up.
Explain.
Katie, they agreed to be on.
That's the part.
So that's the fun part.
Second thing.
Can we do it?
This is why I was here.
No, they don't know.
Oh, my goodness.
So what is that?
By the way, hopefully they stay.
Hopefully they stay.
They agreed to be on today.
So hopefully they stay.
We're going to be very, we're hoping they stay.
And then at the same time, we have Matthew Bunn on, which will join us at around 10.15.
He is a professor of the practice of energy, national security, foreign policy.
This is what he did.
He's a current professor at Harvard.
And let me see this here.
Is an American nuclear and energy policy analyst, currently a professor at practice at Harvard Kennedy School, Harvard University.
He's a co-principal investigator of the Belford Center Project on Management of Adam.
His father, George Bunn, was a leading figure in the field of arms control who helped draft and negotiate the nuclear non-proliferation treaty of 1968 limiting the spread of nuclear weapons worldwide.
And here's what he recently said.
He said, it's a very serious situation.
President Biden is right.
This is the worst danger of nuclear weapons being used since Cuban missile crisis.
And we'll see what he has to say about it.
Could we potentially go into a nuclear war?
I don't know.
I mean, we'll ask him some questions.
Well, okay, but he sounds like the sort of guy I wouldn't want to sit next to at a wedding.
Well, he's dull as hell.
And that's why he's on Zoom, though.
So we're making it, we're accommodating for everybody with it.
And he's got the off button handy.
Yeah.
So, you know, first of all, just it's good to have you on.
It's good to have you here.
We've got a lot of topics to go through.
I want to hear your thoughts on your favorite president, Biden, to see how he's doing so you can kind of shed some light on him.
And then maybe we'll talk a little bit, Megan Merkel, and we'll talk about, again, people you like is what the focus is today, right?
Yeah, you've really lined up something special.
I really have.
I just wanted to get the best out of you today.
I realized.
I'm just saying, it's like going on a long car journey with vegans.
I just, this is not something I do.
Yeah.
Okay, so Katie, for people that don't know you, can you tell them a little bit about your background?
For people that don't know me.
Yes.
And which is most people, I'm sure.
I am a former British Army intelligence officer, and I went through the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst and signed up to fight for my country for 35 years.
I had to be medically discharged later with epilepsy, hence the lesbian haircut in our earlier reference point because I was then cured of my seizures.
And so now I bring my fight to the road.
I threw myself on the road about two months ago to fight with you for your midterms and have been rallying the red in swing states for the last two months, moving every other day.
I'm known for being outspoken.
I don't ask to be liked, but more importantly, I don't ask for people to agree with me.
This is what I think.
I'm not asking you to think the same.
And I've been called many names because of my work, of course.
One of them sounds like witch, but begins with B.
So I'm known as the biggest be witch in Britain.
And I'm the most banned woman on the planet as well.
I'm banned from normal things like Twitter or PayPal or my own bank account.
I'm also banned from all British and US media, apart from you guys who are independents.
I'm banned from the entire country of South Africa for highlighting the slaughter of white farmers by the ANC banned me.
And I've just been banned and deported from Australia for speaking apps against the tyranny of lockdown, locking down an island of people for two years.
And I'm also banned from a small place in Great Britain called Wales.
But that's fine because nobody wants to go to Wales because everybody there is ginger or short.
And that's who I am.
Great intro.
By the way, somebody needs to write that and hand it over and say, let me introduce you to my next speaker that's coming up.
Here's what we're talking about.
Well, all I can say is I'm far more interesting than that Dalard nuclear boffin that you have coming along.
Well, we'll see.
We'll see how interesting he's going to be.
We'll see what he's going to say.
You know, maybe he's pessimistic, optimistic.
Who knows?
Maybe you were short of guests today.
I don't know.
Well, then let's talk about with you on that topic before it comes up.
What do you think is going to happen with Russia and Ukraine, in your opinion?
So I'm a 180 to this guy.
I think I'm a big believer in Putin.
I love Russia.
I've been there on many occasions.
Putin's a strong and fantastic leader on the international stage.
People seem to think Ukrainians are angels.
They are off their minds.
They are mostly Nazis and that Russians are doing a good job.
Zelensky is a puppet.
He was an actor before.
You may have clips of him in rubber in high heels.
Maybe you'd like to play them to the nuclear boffin.
And he's being used as a puppet and installed to create a situation where Biden gets to animate the sort of the industrial complex.
And personally, I think it's the biggest farce we ever did see.
Imagining Americans are at all interested in Ukraine is bonkers.
Most Americans couldn't find Ukraine on a map, respectfully, and nor should they have to.
So that's my point of view.
And of course, it's the opposite to CNN, most lefties, and indeed people who live in my road in England who adopted Ukrainian refugees because they're such good people.
Now, if that's the case, why are we being sold by the media of him being a modern-day Church Hill, him being a modern-day, you know, incredible leader who shows up wearing regular khaki, you know, military clothes and people have bought into this guy being a hero.
They're going out to want to take pictures, introduce themselves.
You're my hero.
You're this, you're that.
Why does the average person fully disagree with you on your position?
Because mostly people aren't that intelligent.
80% of people have to be introduced to themselves in the mirror and have to be taught how to tie a shoelace.
Also, I think have to be taught how to use Velcro, you know, that sort of thing.
But also, look, he's an actor.
He's perfect for the job.
Put him in a green t-shirt.
Always have him sitting down because he's only five foot four.
And you know that I don't agree with short people.
So you don't get that sort of perspective.
You go to have a photo with him and you're like, you realize you have to kneel down.
This is not the good guy.
This is not the savior of mankind that he's being dressed up to be.
You don't think he is?
It's not that I don't think he is.
It's implausible that this is the savior of anything.
So when I was in Iran and the Shah that eventually was in exile, they sold him the same way to say this is not a good leader.
He's not doing good for Iran.
He's a puppet to the West, right?
The phrase puppet to the West has been used many times.
Are you saying Zelensky?
Because Shah ended up not being a puppet to the West.
No.
Shah ended up being a person that actually did a lot more good for that country ever since that happened.
We saw what's going on with Iran.
So some people may say, well, you're saying that because your position is different, but he's standing up.
Look, their military is not, you know, Russia's losing so many people that are leaving their country.
Putin just all of a sudden asks 300,000 people that are civilians to want to serve, who don't want to serve.
It's the complete opposite in Russia.
And then some say, well, you know, Putin currently has an 83% approval rating from its people, but who was really polling?
So again, going back and forth.
And that's so tiring, isn't it?
It's so tiring to try and find the truth of anything.
What we can say is we just get a load of CNN reporters still on the skyline in Ukraine, reporting on absolutely nothing other than the fact they're stood on the skyline.
We have Putin's people who still have him with a massive popularity rating.
And this idea that he's much weakened, I think, is a myth and a fabrication.
Either he's about to launch nuclear Armageddon or he's much weakened.
Make your mind up which one is it.
And this has always been a power play for NATO.
Putin always had a red line, which he would not have NATO on his doorstep.
And that's what was pushed via Zelensky is to push NATO onto his doorstep.
He was always very clear this was a red line and he's acting exactly in accordance with the way that he said he would if NATO pushed their way to his doorstep.
Do you think it's likely that we go into a nuclear war with this or no?
No, I think it's 100% false.
I think it's very much like the COVID narrative.
People just are hungry for fear and they're hungry to be told what to do.
People enjoy a state of fear because people are subservient.
People aren't bold like they used to be.
People want to be told what to do by an even bigger government.
You know, and my view is the opposite to that.
We have to stand up, rise up, be strong and not back down to any of this stuff.
Not back down to any of this stuff.
So, okay, so your position is we're not going to go into a nuclear war.
It's going to be all right.
It's not going to be crazy.
How do you think this thing ends?
Do you think it ends with Biden setting up a peace treaty meeting for them to sit down and figure out what to do with different parts of the land?
Do you think it ends with Putin getting what he wants?
Do you think it doesn't end for a long time?
What do you think happens to this?
It definitely doesn't have anything to do with Biden and him negotiating anything.
The most popular president of all time.
Couldn't negotiate his own wear of a bathroom cubicle and we know that without Jill on hand to drag him out of there.
It probably ends if if uh, Reds win the midterms, we stop fueling a war that America has no place in and Putin takes over the bits of Ukraine that he wants to take back uh, and Ukraine backs down.
But the only way that happens is if America stops funding this ridiculous war that Putin doesn't want to be in.
So midterms, midterms.
Why your interest in Uk?
Why such interest in the midterms of us?
Because you are our hope as well.
You are the light shining on the top of the hill.
You are our hope in the Uk.
We're already lost.
We're already gone, demographically alone.
If you just disregard me, if you loathe me, hate everything, I am, that's fine, but by 2030, Muslim births outnumber births to all other in my country.
We're gone.
Every city.
Wait, what did you just?
Are you serious?
Did you hear what she just said?
The fact you can have a good, pull this up.
Births, Muslim births in the Uk out outnumber any and all other religion by 2030.
Wow oh, by 20 oh, my god wow, that's double wow.
So they're not using condoms is basically what?
Having eight kids each?
What Uk Muslim numbers to double by 20?
Every every British city?
Uh, the mayor in every British city I mean the big cities is Muslim.
Why is that, though?
Why is that?
And it's not.
You see the same model here, Minneapolis versus Minnesota.
Minneapolis, highly prevalent Muslim population, densely organized into collective housing situations, and when they vote, you'll only ever get Muslim leadership there.
We will never have a Non-Muslim mayor of London again.
It's statistically impossible.
You will never have a Non-Muslim mayor ever again.
Yeah, of London.
London will always go to a Muslim mayor, because the population of London is now densely packed Muslim population.
Was that strategic or did that accidentally happen?
No no no, there's nothing accidental.
This is strategic power player taking over of a nation.
So back to topic.
Hence, the US is our hope as well, in the sense that this is where freedom will live, and this is why I care about the midterms, and that's why I'm on the road, and your messaging on the road is, what?
What do you?
What are you hitting on on the road?
That ours is the side and by ours I mean the side that simply wants the best for each other, right?
So ours is the side that wants everyone to be all right and ours is the side that's been through a lot, locked down, wiped out businesses, wiped out families, split people up, got people uninvited from weddings and their synagogue, and it destroyed people's lives and people felt utterly lost.
And then you had the installation of Biden, which I was there for in DC, and people have been wondering what on earth is happening to America.
People sit in comfortable studios like this, but I've just come up from downtown Atlanta and white people are basically being hunted and targeted in the streets.
It happened in front of me.
I've seen white people.
When they start to scurry in downtown places, they scurry like rats.
Happens in Minneapolis, happens in downtown Atlanta, and that's the truth of these cities in America and we can't let that happen here.
It's already happened in my country.
We can't have it happen here.
So so for people in America who maybe this isn't in their top 10 concerns when they wake up in the morning, of course it's not, and they're just sitting there saying well, that's your problem.
That's happening in UK.
It'll never happen to us.
So two questions I would want you to address.
One who cares about this issue?
Why should we be afraid if they do do this, because some people are not concerned about that.
And then the second thing is, what are the likelihood likelihood of that happening in the states?
Um, number one.
No, I totally understand.
Most people have to try and get up.
They've got to try and get their kids out the door.
They've got to find someone to help them find the car keys.
They've got to try and get to work.
They can't afford this, that or the other.
And then probably the dog ran off down the road and started humping the neighbor's leg.
Like that's the reality of our everyday.
It's a real issue.
It's a real issue.
I i'm, I am a regular mother.
I, I do have it's surprising, I know, but I, like I have a husband.
I I have three teenage children, like I have.
I have two dogs.
I get the thing that's more important.
But uh, the reason it matters is because people need hope and they need to believe in something, and people out there are battered right now.
People come up to me in tears when I do talks and we have time together and they're in a room with people who just want them to be all right.
People are in tears because they are exhausted by being surrounded by endless madness here in America and I find that really hard.
People want to believe in democracy, they want to believe in freedoms, they want to believe in things like medicine and for the last couple of years, many people feel those things have fallen apart.
Um, but my message isn't a negative one, it is a really optimistic one.
I love our side.
I love uh Americans, because you have freedom hardwired into your souls.
And you have a second amendment that I that I applaud and uh, you know it's part of that message is to that we keep going.
Our fight will always be uphill.
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So, okay, so you're in the U.S. wanting to help with midterms because you think the last hope for everybody around the world is America.
And you said you fully support Second Amendment.
Yes.
You fully support all that stuff.
How different is freedom of speech in America, Second Amendment in America, than it is in the UK?
So, we kind of get you can get some optics.
Yeah, it's wild.
So, I was in the back of an Uber yesterday, and this lovely lady was driving.
I said something about the difference in driving in the UK, U.S.
I said, it's different because you guys could have a weapon in your car, and people kind of have some respect for that.
Where I live, we're not allowed weapons, we don't have a Second Amendment, we're not allowed to be armed.
Our police officers are not armed on the streets of the UK, they don't carry weapons.
We have armed response units.
Did you know that police officers in UK are not armed?
Yes, they have whistles and batons, right?
They have a whistle, a whistle that stops all crime.
They got a baton to beat some ass with.
Literally, that is literally the truth of the letter.
What's the logic behind that, though?
This weird, and so I'm British, but I'm more American with the 2-8 thing, right?
This weird British idea that if you don't have guns, it makes you safer.
And so, when let's just say a jihadi comes up and goes on a stabbing spree, as they did on Westminster Bridge, you just stab the police officer, and there's they have just a whistle to blow.
I've had a lot of whistles, I've never seen a whistle stop a criminal.
Yeah, but they only just don't have a whistle, they've got batons, they've got other items, they just don't have guns.
What does that do with a knife, though, or a car?
I'm not here to defend British police or their mentality.
I'm letting you know they just have more than a whistle.
Well, yeah, but if a car is coming at you, at least a cop would be able to shoot through the windshield because, I mean, like she just mentioned, knives are prevalent, and a car bro does a lot of things.
You can't throw a baton through a windshield.
No, actually, unless your aim is amazing and it loops around, but no, you need a gun, bro.
You need a gun.
Yeah, so Brits do not understand the Second Amendment.
They do not understand guns.
Piers Morgan is totally anti-Second Amendment.
And he sounds like a like he can, he sounds like a smart guy.
How is he anti-Second Amendment, not believing in even cops or people having guns?
It's the wildest thing.
That's not the only thing Piers Morgan has been disgusting about.
He was disgusting about lockdown.
He was pushing the vaccine passport.
He believed people shouldn't even be allowed to go anywhere near any form of travel if they didn't have a vaccine passport.
He was the pusher of the whole lockdown stuff that went on.
So don't even bring up Piers Morgan.
So that was part one of your question was about weapons.
Part two was something else.
Yeah, like freedom of speech.
So you're saying, hey, you guys, you still have freedom of some people will say it's kind of gradually going away and some things are being, you know, but still, how different is that in the UK?
So for us, we have such a large web of hate speech laws.
So effectively, truth becomes hate speech.
And therefore, if you speak the truth, it's an arrestable offense.
I've been arrested for a column in a newspaper.
For example, we have people arrested for comments on chat groups.
Or if you make a comment on a Facebook page that is not deemed as appropriate, that is hate speech, police officers turn up at your door and arrest people.
And arguably you've got hints of that here when you have the FBI turning up at James O'Keefe's door for no apparent reason other than he's on the wrong team.
So certainly for us, when I left the UK a couple months ago, the last thing I did was a big stand-up night in a theater with a guy that is just doing similar to what I do.
That guy is now in prison in the UK.
He was sentenced that week when we got off stage.
He was sentenced to five and a half years in jail for speech, for videos on YouTube that were said to be stalking and harassment of people.
Basically doing what we're just doing this.
He was just bringing up different people, Megan Markle, but it was a lot of the BBC he was going for, a lot of their presenters.
But for doing this, it was the first case of its kind.
And when you get new law, you know you're always in trouble.
New law that said that that was stalking, online stalking.
And he's now inside five and a half years.
And Katie, you feel it happening slowly, but surely here.
100%.
Videos are getting taken down.
And I feel it's slowly happening.
And I have two questions.
Well, number one, what is their goal?
When I say their goal, like the crime, defunding the police, you know, the border, inflation, recession, sending money, what is there?
Because in this two years, it's gone completely down here, downhill.
When people talk about Trump, I go, love him or hate him, this would not be going on.
I don't care who the hell you are, who you vote for.
If you can't at least admit it's horrible right now and it's not getting any better, then that's exactly it.
And that's why my frustration with journalists that just want to talk about Herschel Walker's past history of whateverness, I want to say, come here, get my hand.
I'm going to walk you through downtown where I was just in Atlanta.
Come see if people there really care about Herschel Walker's background or do you think they care about the fact that I just watched a lady have a cigarette snatched out of her face and have her bag take?
I mean, I got involved in that and that was returned.
But the point is, you know, that is the reality of on the road and things are collapsing so fast here and it is terrifying to watch.
But what I see is a result of that, having just spent three weeks on the road in California, is red has never been as red.
Like the red is dug in, it's not going anywhere and it's there to fight.
And that's why I think the midterms are going to be a massive result for the Reds.
And last question too, Kate.
And it seems to me, and I'm with you, and I feel that passion, but it's like to me, it's almost like the Red, the Republicans, they bark a lot.
From Lindsey Graham to Jim Jeffries to Jim Jordan.
To Rand Paul.
Oh, yelling at Fauci, getting them red-handed.
Like, you're in trouble.
And nothing happens.
And I don't, I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but when I stand there on the same team, one side's in charge for a while.
The other side just points.
Nothing happens.
Fauci's rich.
He got richer during the pandemic.
Nothing is going to happen.
None of them are going to get held accountable.
So it's almost like I feel there is a portion of the country that's kind of like, like, vote for what?
For what?
It's not going to change.
And if it does flip and it does go red, and then hopefully DeSantis, somebody, it'll change for a while, but then they're going to come back at some point, aren't they?
Yeah, I see what you're saying.
And I totally get that sort of sense of despondency.
But then I see how people were so done with politicians and waiting.
They were like, right, that's it.
I'm getting involved in the school board.
And then we had all the mothers turning up at the school boards.
And then you ended up with a young kid in Virginia because it was only by saying we will let parents have power in schools did he get elected.
And he's now doing great things.
So the bottom can kind of work its way up.
But I hear you on that.
Yep.
Quick thought for you.
We're living in an attention economy.
Eyeballs are everything these days.
And kudos to you because you're a brilliant talker.
You know what you're saying.
You're a shock jock, like you're a Howard Stern-esque type person.
And some of the things you say are hyperbolic.
Some of the things you say are true.
Not everything is everything for you.
I'm wondering for you, what percentage are you saying just to as a comedian to be hyperbolic and just to kind of throw stuff out there?
And what stuff is actually factual and true.
So for instance, I have a phone in my hand.
This is a phone.
And you can Google things with a phone.
So Volsmir Zelensky, a couple quick points.
He's the same height as your boy Putin.
They're both 5'7.
He's not 5'4.
Putin isn't exactly a giant.
Okay.
That's one.
Number two, I don't give two shits about the Muslims in the UK.
But a quick Google search will show you that Muslims' population will double by 2030, apparently, and go from 6.3% to 17% by 2050.
This is Google, Katie.
I don't care.
Thirdly, I just Googled pictures of UK police officers with guns.
Apparently, they got a lot of fucking guns.
So my question to you is, what percentage of what you're saying is hyperbolic, getting eyeballs, respect?
We live in that kind of world now versus actually factual and true.
Okay.
Let's go from the start there.
You showing me what a phone is and saying this is a phone.
That isn't really the way to start an argument because that's to assert that I'm stupid and don't know what a phone is.
Well, you're assuming we're stupid because we can't Google things that you say as a factual.
Would you like me to answer what you just said?
Sure, go ahead.
We could do either one.
I could go either way.
But go ahead.
This is all you.
Is it?
Yeah, go ahead.
So starting off on that kind of tone, I don't think is necessary.
You then go to your phone and say, I can Google this like you've got the biggest penis on the planet.
You might have the biggest penis on the planet, Katie.
I don't know.
Darling, I've got bigger balls than Caitlin Jenner.
I actually believe you, Katie.
I actually believe you.
Go ahead.
You're so bad at listening.
And then when you stop talking, you say, go ahead for just a moment in time.
You can Google anything.
Why don't you Google my name and see what it says on Wikipedia?
Because you'll find out that I'm both a monster, that I'm bankrupted, that I have no background or backbone.
You'll find out that I've betted everybody in the UK.
Many of those things won't actually be true.
So just because you Googled something, that doesn't really make you Elon Musk, darling, does it?
It just means maybe you can use one or two of your hands, probably at one side of your hand more than the other.
It's had more practice.
You then talk about Zelensky's height as if that's a fact because you read it.
And that's a misinterpretation of itself, isn't it?
Because just because you read it on Google doesn't make it true, my flowerpot, does it?
And then you also talk about the fact this old statistic, Muslim 6%.
Walk with me, my flower.
Walk with me through London, through Leicester, through Birmingham, through Bradford, and walk with me through Minneapolis.
Because you can call it 6% if you make that disparate in a population.
But in the cities where they cluster together, you will find they have the majority.
It's why they have the power.
It's why we have a Muslim mayor.
It's why we have a Muslim housing association.
It's why we have a Muslim police association.
And it's why we have Sharia law in most of our cities.
And finally, you managed to find a picture of a police officer with a weapon.
Well done, darling.
Have a gold star and do some more Googling.
Maybe you could watch some Cartoon Network while we adults talk.
Of course, there are armed response officers.
I said that as part of my answer.
But most police officers on the streets of the UK are not armed.
Is that okay for you?
Yes, my little flowerpot.
Here's the deal I Again I let off with Wait a minute Hold on.
You've managed.
Wait, wait, this is totally breaking.
Wait, you need to stop the business.
Stop value tame it because seriously, what he's done, he's Googled police officers and they're holding weapons, which must make him right and me wrong.
I literally came here to talk out my ass.
But look what he's done, everybody.
I think that deserves.
Come on, Bob.
Number one, thank you, Tyler, for Googling it on your end.
Well done.
Katie, I appreciate it.
Again, I'd let off with a compliment that you're a good talker and you get eyeballs.
Congratulations.
You're good at that.
Part of the problem why you probably piss people off is you have major masculine energy.
So respect to you.
So I know you're saying you're married.
I don't know about that.
I know you're saying that you're a family woman.
You could Google it.
But Katie, how can we trust Google, Katie?
I'm using your words against you, beautiful.
Listen, to pull your little winky.
I will.
You can Google my husband.
You probably have a bigger dick than me, Katie.
I don't know.
So it's okay.
That's becoming a fact.
That will become a fact if you're not.
I guess so.
Yeah, but I don't know if we can trust Google, darling.
I don't know.
So you said, I know what was your, what was the point?
The point is.
I've got it.
I'm giving you a comment.
You're hyperbolic.
You get eyeballs.
Respect.
I'm also saying not everything you spew out there is accurate.
What was the compliment?
That you get eyeballs.
And that you're a good talker.
No, I think if you're around for 15 or so years in the media, if you were spewing nonsense, you'd be caught out quite a bit.
No, you'd probably be canceled everywhere.
And then where were you canceled again?
I am literally cancelled from countries.
Okay.
Well, is that a good thing?
Are you proud of that?
I am actually.
Yes, I am.
Well, then kudos to you, Katie.
I'm proud of you.
You're doing what you want to do in life.
I'm proud of being deported from Australia for going over there and calling out the tyranny of lockdowns.
I'm proud of standing up for those people who had that done to them.
And the Australians needed you?
Like they needed Katie?
No, and that's something I always make very...
Are you even Australian?
Which...
Are you even American?
Which question do you want me to answer?
First and second.
There was three, actually.
Are you questioning?
So I am not American.
I am not Australian.
And I come over here because I'm a respectful foreigner and an outsider that cares about your country.
So you're a globalist?
No, I'm not a globalist.
Oh, I don't know.
I don't think so.
I'm just like, if you go in and come to the United States and basically get involved in politics, or you go to Australia, get involved in politics.
A, I'm not sure what you're doing.
I'm not sure what you're doing.
I'm asking you genuine questions.
And C, I can't help but feel you're kind of angry, but I don't know why.
Maybe I woke up on the wrong side of the bed today.
Maybe I had a British girlfriend that you remind me of.
I don't know.
However, that's actually a true story.
By the way, can we get into a sneakers bar or something?
You're going to get out of a sneakers bar this morning.
I know that's a true story.
Katie, Katie, here's what I genuinely believe.
Here's what I genuinely believe.
I don't believe.
Believe me, I date a lot hotter chicks than you.
But here's what I definitely believe.
You actually are a person that knows what they're doing.
You're not an idiot.
You've been confronted before.
You confront a lot of people.
You've been anti-liberalist, anti-multicultural, anti-fat, anti-immigrant, anti-tatto.
Sorry, to inform you, Vinny, she doesn't like you.
You have tattoos.
So listen, Katie, you're Crimea Rivers.
She has a tattoo on her.
Okay, there it is.
Katie.
She has a tattoo on her bum.
Katie, I've taken a lot of heat before.
I can take it.
Are you saying you can't take heat, Katie?
You take heat all the time.
You give heat.
I just, there's just a lot of noise coming off you.
I stopped listening to you.
Katie, I hear a lot of noise.
You just sound a little more proper than me, Katie.
But we're all just talking no doubt here.
You're making a bit of a thing of yourself, sweetie.
Just shit.
I'm enjoying you, Katie.
Carry on, Patrick.
Okay, let me go to the story you will Liz Trust.
That's great.
That was good.
It was very entertaining.
Audience is definitely loving it.
So Adam, good for you.
I got it.
See her.
All right, so I'm Liz Truss resigns and will become shortest serving PM in British history.
She's resigned prime minister just after 44 days from taking over Boris Johnson.
She will be the shortest serving PM in British history.
In a statement outside Downing Street, Truss admitted she could not deliver her mandate.
She said, I came into office at a time of great economic and international instability.
Families and businesses were worried about how to pay their bills.
She said she was elected with a mandate to change this, adding, we delivered on energy bills.
I recognize, though, given the situation, I cannot deliver the mandate on which I was elected by the Conservative Party.
So one, was she somebody that most of the Conservatives were happy about?
Did they want to replace Boris with her?
And two, her reasoning for resigning.
Is this a good thing for UK or a bad thing?
I mean, she had to go.
So we were waiting for, I guess, a day, but we're kind of saying it was down to the hour.
So you knew, you knew this was coming.
We knew she was going.
So that once she came in with her measures, the markets reacted really badly to those measures.
So the pound just plummeted.
We were at parity with the dollar for the first time in modern history.
403.
Very weird.
It was crazy.
Borrowing rates went through the roof.
So mortgages went through the roof in terms of people who were looking to fix a mortgage.
And so the markets basically decided she was gone.
So she was already kind of a dead woman walking.
She was brought in.
People preferred Boris Johnson.
Old money preferred Boris Johnson.
So we always knew she wouldn't be around for long.
And it was humiliating.
I don't enjoy.
Yeah, iceberg lettuce in blonde wig outlasts, Liz Truss.
I don't know if I really enjoy it.
I know you boys might enjoy that.
I don't know if I enjoy seeing.
Did you like her?
Did you actually like her?
No, she's robotic and weird.
I got you.
What I really would love is if Britain had democracy that people could believe in.
But honestly, ordinary Brits, a bit like what we were talking about earlier, their daily concern at the minute is they can't afford to heat their houses.
They can't afford to buy stuff in the store.
We now have something called heat banks in the UK, where old people are supposed to go and heat themselves in the day in public buildings because they can't afford to heat their own homes.
I mean, it's a fairly dire situation.
I suspect what we'll see, well, we're either going to see Rishi Sunak or we're going to see Boris Johnson come back into play.
And the latest rule that they made up is that 100 MPs, whoever's going to run, has to have the support of 100 MPs.
So it's going to be a very, very fast competition to see who's going to replace Liz Truss.
I mean, this is not normal, though, right?
44 days?
44 days.
The longest was, what, 142 or 124?
Some number like that, right?
I mean, that was in 1896.
So the race ago.
The race she was in to be prime minister was longer than the time she spent as prime minister.
That's again, so purely the money people didn't support it because the economy was being felt in her policies.
And that's like, we got to move on.
Oh, she was gone.
She was gone.
Got it.
So, and how likely is it that a Boris is going to come back?
Because people are just kind of saying, let's just get him back in here.
He was safe.
He was good.
He was, is that kind of what is most likely going to happen?
There's a weird play going on.
There's a weird dynamic.
Rishi Sunak is what I think the party would want.
I think it's what the markets would want.
I think it's what globalists would want.
You know, they love him because he's a Montecito boy over in California with a green card and the richest wife actually in England.
You might want to Google that.
But I think the people in the UK loved Boris.
So if we then went to a general election, who could win still for the Conservative Party?
Not Rishi, but Boris could.
Did you like him?
Did you like Boris?
I liked him right up until the point he locked down my country.
Got him.
Do we have an example?
By the way, do you remember?
Like, if I recall, I remember, you know, you can fact check me on this.
I don't know why I remember him saying herd immunity is the way to go, the only way to solve this.
And that's kind of what he was pitching at for the first time.
Exactly.
He said that, right?
Right until the point that whoever got to him, whatever they Either money or it's either 100%.
But it's either money or it's either they had something on him because I remember everybody you looked at from the past and you looked at like even the interview with Fauci years ago where he says, if somebody has this, should they get a vaccine?
He says, no, that's the ultimate, you know.
That's a vaccine.
That's the best vaccine.
So real quick, how much of that do you think had to do with Boris getting COVID?
Boris got COVID bad.
He was hospitalized.
I think that had a lot to do with it.
Do you think it's that or the fact that they had to do it?
He had a bit of a cold for a while and then he went in and he was allegedly in intensive care and we were all supposed to be very content.
He came out of that thing and he turned on a dime and all of a sudden everything he said before heard immunity, masks don't work.
But here I am shaking hands with people still because it's all a load of old crap.
That's where he was.
He turned on a dime, whatever they gave him or whatever they have.
Or what they have on it, probably an Epstein Island video with like, hey, listen, bro, we got this video view.
But you know what, though?
That is the ultimate, like, that's what we don't know.
Yeah.
You know, that's what we don't know.
And it's a very, very effective method.
Yeah.
Because you're coming in, you're saying, hey, listen, man, you're 60-some years old.
Here's what we found on you.
How do you want your legacy turned out?
We're going to go public with this next week.
Unless if you don't do dot dot dot.
Oh my God.
Do you not believe that stuff happens?
I believe it does.
100% that happens.
And then they have you forever because you have to say the course or else that video or whatever they have on you, that person that's going to come out is always going to be in your shadow.
Well, listen, I mean, credit goes to Kim Kardashian, and she made it more than Liz did 72 days.
I know Tyler just put this up.
44 days versus 72 days.
Is this a form of recognition from you, Tyler?
Very up.
Shout out to Kim K and Adam's best friend.
Adam's friend.
Adam's a good friend of this guy.
So, so, so, okay.
He's doing better than Liz Trust.
Here's what I would be curious about on who's more likely to make a comeback, him or Netanyahu.
I would be very curious to know which one of those two guys.
Boris or Bibi?
BB?
Bibi or Boris.
Yeah.
Well, I would love it to be BB, but Boris is already on his way back from the Caribbean and doing his hair.
So he's getting ready.
Yeah, his hair just changed.
And that means big things are afoot.
When has he ever changed?
I've never seen him fix his hair.
I've never seen him fix his hair.
He had his hair slightly fixed.
Seriously?
Slightly.
Liz.
I know, I know, I know.
Listen, I'm not defending Boris.
He does, I guess, intentionally do this to be more of a comment because he's an Oxford man, very smart guy.
He's not an idiot.
He plays sort of like the bumbling fool.
He literally does like a Chris Farley impression, shakes up his hair, and he's like, all right, let's go be British for a second.
Exactly.
That's true.
Totally.
And that picture, which we can find with Google, I'm supporting this now, not having a go.
If you get Boris on Zipwire, that to me is the, this was him when he was London mayor.
And it's the epitome of how Boris wanted to present himself.
Right.
So he's up on this Zipwire.
Look there.
Oh, God.
And then the Zipwire went wrong.
Oh, no.
They just get stuck.
They just stuck.
It's hilarious.
On the Zipwire.
But in many ways, it was all of our favorite moment because it was London at its best.
We were just about to have the Olympic Games.
And he's stuck up there on a bloody zip wire.
And just really quick, Package, I wanted to ask Katie too.
So, Katie, I mean, there's a lot happening with, you know, Nanyang Maybe coming back, Boris coming back.
What's her name of resigning?
What about the Georgia Maloney?
They consider her far right.
Every article that I've read from BBC to everybody, she's this far right.
She's going to start a war.
It's all bad.
But in a couple hours, I guess they're going to, the brittle, it's going to switch today, isn't it?
Yes.
Where they're going to give her power today.
How do you feel about her?
I love her.
I love the fact she's Italian.
I love the fact she's called Meloney.
Like pizzas coming out of the oath.
I love the fact that if you're an asshole and you believe in Google, then you believe she's far right.
Whereas actually she's so perfectly excellent in all her ways.
And she's also backed up because of the way the Italian voting system works.
She has a Salvini as well, Matteo Salvini, who I've met, who's the greatest man.
He's going to be like her sidekick.
Oh, wow.
There's like a band of them.
So it's perfect.
And also we have same in Sweden, Swedish Democrats.
So we're having a good run.
This run is going to be.
The difference between her and Elizor Boris, she seems like a real conservative that's going to stand up.
She doesn't, she seems fearless.
I love her.
I mean, so far, Adam said something.
He says, look, we have no clue who this person is.
This just came out of nowhere.
So far, she seems very fearless, very clear in her messaging, backbone.
And if you watch her speeches in front of the Italian crowd, I've watched it 10 times.
I've never made you cry.
It was like a speaker.
It was just, I listened to every single, I mean, I had to read it, but it was passionate.
It might be BS or whatever.
Adam, I feel you, but I believe her.
Vinny, what Vinny did is Vinny was so impressed that he started looking if she has any daughters because I look Italian.
My name is Vinny.
Yeah.
Hey, Milan.
Good word.
The word on the street is you've actually been hanging out with more Italian people around town here.
100%.
We're going to loot you a lot of these restaurants.
Nobody believes when I say I'm Middle Eastern like, yeah, all right.
Witness protection.
Let me give you the next one.
UK energy bills to rise by 80% in October as a regulator announces hike.
British energy regulator announced Friday it will rise, will raise its main cap on consumer energy bills to an average of £3,549,497 US dollars from 1971 last year.
So from 1971 to 35, that's nearly 80 plus percent as campaign groups, think tanks and politicians call on the government to tackle a cost of living crisis.
The price cap limits the standard charge energy suppliers can bill domestic customers for their combined electricity and gas in England.
It covers around 24 million households.
The 4.5 million households on prepayment plans face an increase from $2,017 to $3,608.
That's real money.
Yeah, it's wild.
So energy bills are now well beyond the means of most people in the UK.
People are turning off their energy at source, so at the point where it enters their home.
People are living now with candles.
People have head torches so they don't turn the lights on.
And elderly people are not going to have their heating on.
And we're at minus two degrees.
You know, we're not living in Florida.
Yeah, that's right.
So, I mean, it's a shocking state of affairs.
And in a country that is perpetually gray and cold, not being able to have light or heat, I don't honestly know.
We will lose people this winter.
And then all the while, there's just this circus going on at number 10 of who's going to be the next leader.
Well, it's more who's going to survive the next week without heating or light.
I mean, it is properly dark.
It's properly Dekembian.
Yeah, no, listen, if you've got money to you, it's like, yeah, who cares?
It's like $1,800.
It's not a big deal.
But if you're middle income, you're low income, you're sitting there.
You're retired without a business.
That's over.
That's a big not to pay to say it's going to go up that much.
And by the way, what can cause it to go back down?
Like what needs to happen for this to go lower?
Obviously, it's relationships with some of the causes, Russia, some of the cause they're saying is different places, but what needs to happen for this to go lower?
Yeah, there's this idea, and it was being kind of put up as this something, the bad guy.
You know, we always want a bad guy in a panto.
So we're using Russia, right?
We're using Putin.
Putin price hike and all that.
Oh, blah, blah, blah, blah.
But, you know, in fact, we only ever got 5% of our gas from Putin in the first place.
So that can't be responsible for an eight-fold or five-fold increase.
Gas, green tax is the green agenda.
If you wipe that out, that would be half the bills gone.
You know, so the green kind of agenda that's being pushed is one of the reasons we're paying for everything so, you know, price prohibitively because the taxation is off the chart.
And then what we need to do is push forwards with nuclear or push forwards with new supplies or push forward and reopen some of the coal or whatever, oil or whatever, that we shut down.
And clearly, energy is not my field, but we need to increase supply and pull back on green taxation.
Those are the only two levers we would have.
Yeah, I'd be curious to know what the cause is like to go up that high that sudden during the season we're in.
So it wouldn't make sense for the average person to say it has to be the war between Russia, it has to be the North Street pipeline, it has to be all these things, because it wasn't the case two years ago, and this wasn't happening two years ago.
Yeah, but in fact, they just, there was this price cap and they took the price cap off so the energy companies can charge effectively what they want.
And then the profits of those oil giants have been huge.
Yeah, even the Germans are being told to stop whining, wear two sweaters and have candles and flashlights ready in case of blackouts this winter.
Like this is a very nice, gentle, warm, empathetical leadership message being sent out.
They got just go wear two sweaters.
It's going to be all right.
That's basically the same in our country.
And they're warning us of three hour, you know, very much like California, the rolling blackout.
South Africa has the same three-hour blackouts we're expecting this winter.
It's a crazy day.
It's definitely a wild situation that's going on there with this.
Okay, now let's go to U.S. politics, with U.S. politics that is going on here.
When Biden got elected, okay, everybody was, you know, oh my God, it's going to be the end of the, you know, it's going to be horrible.
It's going to be this.
It's going to be that.
Fast forward to where we are today.
Is it exactly what you expected it to be?
Is it worse?
Is it not as bad as you expected it to be?
As a respectful foreigner, and bearing in mind you've chased our British asses out of this fine country twice before.
Someone told me it was three times, but I think it's absolutely worse than expected.
I think we knew it would be awful.
Watching the installation of him, I was what, one of 20 people gathered around a side gate because nobody was in DC because it was basically a war zone, fabricated war zone.
And then you have a man who it is so, you know, no one knows what's going to come out of his mouth at any given time.
He's just sort of seems to have some kind of Tourette's or something.
He just squeals out about inflation or whatever.
We don't know what's going on.
Then you look at the border and the fact that we just have illegals piling into your country.
We have ridiculous rules in place.
Like I can't currently be here in this country because unvaccinated people are still not allowed in America as we speak.
You have inflation at record rates.
You have fuel prices that are at record highs.
I'm failing to see what's been good about this administration.
And in a recession, well, mind you, we're not that bad because they changed the definition in real time of a recession.
We're sending literally, how much is it so far, Tyler, to Ukraine?
How many billions?
3 trillion.
3.2 trillion?
To Ukraine?
3 trillion.
To Ukraine, I think.
Well, this just has passed.
Ukraine?
We had to Google that.
I think Ukraine the past year, it's 50 to 80 billion dollars.
We're such in bad billion or trillion.
No, not trillion.
This was March 10th.
This was March 10th.
So when you just said not a trillion.
We do not send $1.5 trillion to Ukraine.
Well, hold on.
Wait, can I just say, this was Googled, but this is not right now.
There's a lot you can Google that's accurate, Katie.
But 1.5 trillion trillion.
This you disagree with.
So this isn't.
I'm just saying we did not send 1.5 trillion.
Well, they just passed the bill because, I mean, right now we're at 80 billion.
Yeah, but there's a big difference in 1.5 trillion and 80 billion.
I said trillions.
Yeah, that's a bill that they just passed that we are going to.
3.2 trillion.
It's not going to stop.
My point being is.
$3.2 trillion to Ukraine, guys.
Let's get an accurate number.
Oh, what's going to be accurate?
Something you agree with.
Let's just see a fact, Katie.
I don't know.
Just saw a headline.
You are sending money to, yeah.
So now we believe in headlines.
Yeah, I remember the number being somewhere around $60 billion.
Everything I've seen is $70 to $80, but I'm...
Guys, I mean, I don't need to be a mathematician.
You're saying 70 to 80 billion, and we're talking about trillions.
Trillions.
We know how numbers work here, guys.
Is it billion or trillion?
Which is, it's billions right now.
But what she said, from what I think, what you're saying is, Katie, they passed a bill in March that's saying they're going to give them up to $1.2 trillion.
It's not going to stop.
But going back to my point is, if we're such in bad shape and everything's going downhill so much, how do we have the gall to send them?
So that was one of my points I didn't ask earlier.
What is our goal on helping them so much?
Why are we so invested in this war?
And mind you, it was only a two-week thing where I saw the Ukraine ribbons and every website was Ukraine.
And then keeping up the Kardashians came on and people were like, the hell with Ukraine, what's happening with Kim's vagina?
Because that's what sold people's attention span.
So that's why I was very curious.
It's true.
It's too true.
We were the same in the UK.
So these people that had flags up for our socialized health care for NHS.
And then they took those down and put up Ukraine flags.
Every week.
Every week is something different.
And then the people who brought in Ukraine refugees realized they didn't really like Ukraine people and were trying to get them out of their houses.
It was pretty funny.
Weird.
Yeah, no, it's not.
It's not up to $1.2 trillion, Vinnie.
I want to make sure we get that right.
That $1.2 trillion, $1.5 trillion under it was a portion going to Ukraine, portion going to pandemic, portion going to agencies.
I want to say we're on the $70 billion number, give or take, to Ukraine thus far.
$70 billion.
In a recession, we have horror money.
I'm just saying it's not $1.5 trillion to $1.5 trillion.
We can buy Ukraine.
We don't even say, hey, you're ours.
Come over here.
Freaking food.
That's literally my point.
They passed a $1.5 trillion spending bill, which was health care and Social Security.
I think it was a million.
And then a percentage of that, not the full $1.5 trillion.
It wasn't healthcare and social security.
That's not what he just said.
You added it.
No, I'm saying there were other parts of the bill.
But don't add in what those are.
Like Social Security, make it sound like it's going to Americans.
It won't be.
Of the $1.5 trillion, $80 billion went to Ukraine.
Okay?
So that means there's $1.425 trillion $80 billion going to Ukraine at a time when Americans can't afford to put gas in their cars.
It's a bit silly.
We can agree that.
I can agree that.
I'm 100% zero money to anybody when there's as a veteran to a veteran.
That's a different conversation.
Do you agree that we should spend any money to Ukraine?
I'm still that they're on 3.2, but I appreciate you.
You just went from 1.5 trillion to 3.2 trillion.
3.2 trillion was always going to be a matter of time.
The 1.5 is the bill that's from March.
Correct.
Yeah.
You're saying, I just want to be clear here.
I'm not being an asshole.
You're saying that we actually sent $3.2 trillion to Ukraine.
I believe that's where you're at.
No, that's not where I'm at.
I believe that's where the number is at.
That's what I would love a fact check.
Use a DuckDuckGo, use a Google, use a Bing.
I don't care.
I think that's a highly inaccurate number.
There's no way we spent $3.2 trillion on Ukraine, Katie.
The number 3.2, Katie, you may be mixing it up.
And I'm totally fine if I'm wrong.
The 3.2 is how much we spend in Afghanistan in 20 years.
That number is $3 trillion.
We spent 20 years in Afghanistan.
I think when it comes down to Ukraine, I do think it's $70 to $80 billion.
It's $80 trillion.
Maybe we can get to a point of agreement, which is, would Americans choose to spend that money in Ukraine?
Oh, listen, no, that part is a completely different discussion, which is, look, we got 32 and a half, 32,000 give or take veterans who are homeless right now.
We can easily spend some of that money to take care of that.
These are guys that put their lives on the line to give us freedom.
We're both veterans, by the way, Katie.
So we're the same boat.
We're okay, though.
There's 32 of them that are, 32,000 of them that are home.
That money can be spent elsewhere.
My biggest concern with Ukraine was how suddenly that became our number one priority in the world of what's going on there.
And in Iran, which you're supposed like the feminist, true feminists are supposed to be more about concern about Iran than Ukraine because Putin is not targeting women.
Putin's targeting a country.
The Iranian government is targeting women and women's rights.
That's what Americans, feminists, are like, I'm all about taking care of women.
And this is where the priorities don't make sense.
They're not looking at what's going on in Iran out, helping out the people.
They're looking out over here.
You know, look, the one thing you said about Rand Paul, and yesterday, even when we talked to Kurt Schilling about the fact that people talk to these guys, I feel like nothing's getting done.
I love what Rand Paul said at the end of the discussion with Anthony Fauci.
When Anthony Fauci said what he said, Rand Paul finished it.
He says, History will reveal whether you were right or wrong.
History will not favor you.
Some statement like that, because history is not going to favor him.
And the other part in regards to voting, I used to be from the same mindset.
I want to make sure the audience doesn't believe that.
And I'm going to challenge it.
You can challenge it back.
I think voting is super necessary because if you think nothing changes, Roe v. Wade and what just happened a few months ago or last year, whatever the time was, a few months ago, 10 months ago, 12 months ago, is a byproduct of flipping three seats under one term, which has never happened.
So voting has a lot of power.
If you control Supreme Court, 6'3 is the reason why Roe v. Wade is no longer a thing and states get to decide how they want to treat abortion.
So I do think voting has a lot of power.
I think what is going to happen this midterms, why it matters.
Say Democrats keep Senate and Republicans keep House.
Guess what that means?
There's a gridlock.
So now if it's a gridlock, that actually favors the people because nothing crazy out of whack can pass.
So that's why a lot of people are out there like yourself going out there running around talking and promoting and Herschel Walker and whoever it is you're spending time with because it actually matters today a lot.
Like we need nothing to happen for.
I know people are like, oh, you know, we need actually sometimes nothing happening is better than things happening that are bad.
I agree.
So sometimes you just kind of like, look, don't do shit for two years.
Just be there.
You're our president.
For the rest of your life, Biden's last name is going to be remembered in U.S. history books.
It's not going to be obviously as the best president ever.
Is that good enough for you?
No, it's not.
Believe me, I just hear it.
Someone that just be there, shut up, don't say anything.
Don't screw up anymore.
Is that really what an American is really asking for from his president?
It's this way.
Nobody's asking that.
But the reality of it is he's the president.
And, you know, he has the power to do a lot of different things that he's in for four years.
You can talk whatever you want with election.
You can talk whatever you want with, you know, is he going to wake up one morning and pull off a Liz Truss?
Well, some people don't want that to happen because then that means Kamala's going to be aware of that.
I started the bit before that.
Is he going to wake up one morning?
I pray to God not.
Oh, you're going there.
I'm on there.
I went there before he was there.
A lot of people don't want that.
Because you get Kamala and people don't want that.
You actually don't want that.
You genuinely want him to die?
No.
I just, you know, I prefer he wasn't ever installed as the president.
I just think it's a real pity that the greatest country on the face of planet Earth has a demented old man who doesn't know where he is being put in as president.
That seems, do you love Biden?
You want him as your president?
No, I'm not.
I'm not a Biden lover, but I'm not also not a Trump supporter.
You know, I'm a little conflicted.
Yeah.
So, Katie, a real quick question, because I'm still kind of who do you think, I know it's still early.
Who do you think is going to run?
And there's been a lot of people that are like, because I remember when who's the girl that flipped recently?
Tulsa Gabbard.
Tulsa Gabbard.
I think people are like, maybe if DeSantis gets it, maybe Papper's the VP.
There's been so much speculation.
What do you think?
And what do you want?
And what do you think is going to happen?
I want DeSantis with Tulsa Gabbard as the VP because she brings women, she'll bring Democrats, she'll bring the Independents.
DeSantis will bring the fire and will be a unifier.
That's what I want.
What do I think will happen?
I think Trump will put a run in.
It will be a massively split issue and someone else will prevail.
But I don't know who that is.
Got you.
When you say someone else, you mean on the left?
No, a different candidate would make it through.
You're saying that if Trump runs, someone else could beat him?
Yes, I believe that's true.
Who do you think could beat Trump?
Well, I mean, I'm the foreigner, aren't I?
There'll be people screaming.
Listen, Katie.
We've already known you have no problem sticking your toes in other people's business.
I love it.
So why stop now?
Who do you think is going to beat Trump?
Well, I believe DeSantis could beat Trump, absolutely.
I don't think Pence could.
I don't think a Yunkin could yet.
He's not well known enough.
I think Gavin Newsom's already picking out the kind of drapes that he has.
He thinks he's there, right?
Gavin Newsom's definitely already picking out other people's skin that he could wear in his fucking American psycho.
Did you see that?
He walked when a Biden, I don't know where Biden was overseas somewhere.
Newsom took off his jacket.
He's walking on the white.
He's like, oh, yeah, it's all set up.
He plays with like a baby.
He's like, come on, bro.
Biden's dog.
It's like, get out of there.
You're not here yet.
It's formidable.
Say whatever you guys want.
He's formidable.
He's marketable.
Newsom?
Newsome's going to be the guy.
What?
He's running for sure.
Guy running.
He is.
I didn't say anything about policies, anything.
You just said 80% of people in America, you know, 80% of people, you know, have to look at themselves in the mirror, right?
So people don't vote based on policies.
People vote on who looks good, who sounds good, who can give a good one-liner, who can give some.
Unfortunately, that's how a lot of people are.
I totally agree with you.
So that's how people decide.
So that guy is extra to under look.
The same way, people underestimated a Trump who hate there's a lot of people that hate Trump right, and they were underestimating him and people people like yourself or Coulter or a lot of people were going out there and saying watch, you're gonna eat your words, watch.
And you remember the day when they announced the face?
The heads were popping off, girls were ears, school schools were closed and they were bringing in emotional animals like pet the zebra in the back because you're gonna kill yourself, and I think I'm a comedian.
I went on stage in Colorado and there was people like two people In the back, crying, they were bringing like sheep and dogs and like emotional support animals to college universities because people couldn't take it.
My favorite was when I was watching CNN and they had to, this is on election night when Trump had won, which I argue he did last time as well.
But when he won and they were trying to call Pennsylvania, and it was like they had some sort of facial palsy because they just couldn't bring themselves to call it.
It was so funny.
It was amazing.
So, let me say one thing about Newsome.
I'm not a California guy, but I've been pretty explicit about how that cringy July 4th ad that he did.
Oh, yeah.
He definitely looks the part.
I'm not a big Newsome fan.
I actually think he's annoying.
He definitely looks the part.
Good looking guy.
He's 6'3, by the way, Katie.
So that's, you know, not a short guy.
So you'll probably like him.
Well, if you're familiar with Kimberly Kilfoyle, you're out.
He's done.
Well, that's Donald Trump Jr.'s current girlfriend.
So it's pathetic.
However, he does look the part.
So if you're just looking on optics, we all know that situation with JFK versus Nixon back in the day, that if you're listening on radio, you're like, well, Nixon won this.
But if you're watching on TV, JFK was the guy, clearly.
So visual and marketability is a big thing.
I also think on the flip side, these days, and this is kudos to Trump and a lot of people that, you know, why they like him, is he's at least authentic.
And Gavin Newsom strikes me as the least authentic, just cringy politician out there.
Like, hi, I'm here to tell you that, like, it's just so phony and it's so fake and it's so fucking corny and inauthentic.
And I think if you're just judging a book by its cover, he kind of has that vibe.
But if you actually listen to what he's got going on, I don't think the American people.
And Katie, here's my other question.
And I respect Adam because as much as he hates Trump, he can say something like, I understand why.
I like Trump.
I'm not sure.
I never said when you can say stuff like you understand, you got the policies.
It was the person.
It was the image.
It was the cover of the book.
So that's why I understand what you're saying with Newsome.
And I was going to ask you to take it.
If it's going to be him, and Biden says he's going to, I don't think so.
Who's going to run?
Who's going to be the second one to go?
Who's going to Newsom to try to be the president of the Democrats?
On the left?
On the left.
I have my idea.
I want to hold on to you not saying Michelle.
Oh, I think if Michelle runs, she won't.
She wins 100%.
Oh, she wins.
Michelle runs.
But do you think she runs?
No.
I don't.
I don't.
I'm less than 10% on Michelle Run.
And by the way, if she is asking friends and family, like people that, and people that she values their opinion, I don't know if you're going to have a better life than the one you do.
If it's purely for history, go for it.
But you're young.
Like, go enjoy 30.
They can enjoy 30 years of an unbelievable life at the young age that they have.
Parties, life, enjoy.
They can do that.
Now, if it's about history, Hillary's not in Michelle's league.
I think Michelle can hold her own.
I think she can talk.
She can communicate.
She can sell.
She can edify.
But I think there's quietly behind closed doors.
I don't know why.
Is there no chance, Pat, that?
I think this is the season, this the season for some, you know, out of nowhere candidates to choose to run that actually have a good chance to becoming the nominee on the left.
I don't think on the right.
I don't think on the right.
I don't think anybody stands a chance to be ahead of Trump in the sand.
But on the left, I think Mark Cuban, this is a good time.
I think Rock, this is a good time, although he won't do it.
I think Michelle, this is a fantastic time.
But I think this is a season like even those Hollywood stars and billionaires who have a name for themselves.
This is a very, very good time.
I'll make a prediction.
I think Cuban's going to step away from Apprentice and he's going to go spend time with his family.
Shark Technology.
Yeah.
I'm sorry, Shark Tank, Shark Tank, yeah.
And he's going to come back and he's going to say, after spending time with my family, they've encouraged me to want to run because they think America has a lot of problems and they believe I can solve it and have a plan.
And all of a sudden, in the next nine, 12 months, you're going to hear him make an announcement.
Mark Cuban.
I think so.
And by the way, I tell you one thing.
He's a capitalist, but he's also a liberal.
He's a guy on the left, but he's not a socialist.
He is a capitalist.
I think he has a chance to actually be somebody on that side.
I fully agree with you.
And I would vote for a Mark Cuban as far as that over a Biden or a Trump or anything divisive like that with Cuban over DeSantis.
I would genuinely want to see them on the stage together and have an unbiased, general, like gen, like genuinely curiosity, curious mind to see what they have to say.
I would actually appreciate that.
Let me put it to you this way.
I didn't say I support.
I just said I think they would run.
I'm not sitting here telling you I'm supporting a Cuban running or not.
I'm not because he still is a person that is going to lean more towards shutdown, things like that.
So just so you know, like government laws and all of that, that is not something that I'm, you know, I think DeSantis will be like how Florida was during COVID is how America would be if DeSantis was president.
So just think about that.
But if Cuban is president and another COVID happens, it's going to happen what happened with the shutdown.
But that's the point.
That's why I want to ask you guys.
You're bringing up Cuban because at the end of the day, you know that it's a realistic possibility he could win.
You're not saying it's not a far-fetched idea.
No, no, I'm not saying I'm not saying I would support or not.
I'm not saying I would support.
I'm not asking support.
You're saying it's something that's feasible.
Oh, let me put it to you this way.
He is a fool if he doesn't run.
I'm telling you right now, he's a fool if he doesn't run.
If he's ever had, which I again, gut feeling.
I don't know the guy.
We don't have a relationship.
We've done a one time I did an interview with him.
He was kind enough to have me go to his office in American Airlines.
We sat down.
We had a great two-hour conversation.
Brilliant guy, smart guy.
If he's ever found the perfect opening to go run, today's the time.
And here's my question.
I want to ask all of you guys: if somebody like him does come in, is he backing out of any of these policies that we've been seeing for these two years?
Is the border going to get okay?
Is anything really going to change?
Or he's going to just keep riding this train?
Let me tell you what I think he would do.
He would actually talk to the people.
Like he would be on Twitter saying he's going to give you his, you know, what he believes needs to happen to the border.
He's not going to be hiding.
Okay.
But Cuban's not going to be hiding.
You know how quickly he would respond to an email I would send him?
Like, I couldn't believe how quick he would respond.
At two o'clock in the morning, one time him and I are emailing each other back.
30 seconds, boom, 30 seconds back.
So he is like, he's like this.
He's on the ball.
Yeah, he's a guy that will actually circulate amongst the troops.
Like he'll fly out and go meet with people.
He'll sit down.
He'll do those types of things.
Him.
But I think he's going to be more pro-shutdown.
I think he's going to be more pro-you know, control.
I think he's going to be more pro-that of the mindset.
And I think that doesn't sit well with people who like what DeSantis says.
Got you.
And some others.
That's why I moved here.
I moved here four months ago to come here, work for Patton.
I left California.
And this is when you talk with DeSantis, like you light up just like me.
That's one of the main reasons.
And I was like, yeah, I'll come here.
And that's one of my things about Newsom is I get that he's so marketable.
I get that he's a brilliant speaker, but half of California, or whatever is statistically accurate, leaving California, you can't get a U-Haul truck to get you from California to Florida anymore.
And you can get paid to bring a U-Haul truck back from Florida.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
Well, that's amazing.
What is it?
First time in 100 years they've had a network.
What's the term?
Net really?
Net vacancy with people leaving the country?
Well, we have a guest here with us, so if we can turn our attentions over to our guest, if we haven't already, the Zoom's been switched over to him.
Look, I'm excited about having Professor Matthew Bunn on for a couple different reasons.
You know, he practices professor of the practice of energy, national security, and foreign policy.
Let me once again give a formal, proper introduction.
He's an American nuclear and energy policy analyst, currently a professor of practice at the Harvard Kennedy School at Harvard University, co-principal investigator of the Belfur Center Project on Managing the Atom.
And his father, George Bunn, was a leading figure in the field of arms control who helped draft and negotiate the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty of 1968, limiting the spread of nuclear weapons worldwide.
Matthew Bung, it's good to have you on.
If you can hear us, let us know if you can hear us.
You look like you're frozen.
Can you hear me?
Okay, I can hear you now.
I can hear you now.
Can you hear us or no?
I can hear you.
Let me know if you'd rather I turn off my video.
That might help a little bit.
You're actually fine now.
Whatever you're doing now, it's fine.
So it's good to have you on.
We got an article that came in, and the team was talking about it where somebody asked you a question: how likely is a Russian nuclear strike in Ukraine?
And this was on October 2nd, 2022.
An NPR article, your answer was: we have a 77-year tradition.
Some call it a taboo of a non-use of nuclear weapons.
Russia is threatening that.
And you went on to say a few different things.
We need to do everything we can to maintain that tradition of not using nuclear weapons in combat.
So there's a lot of talks about this, whether it'll get there or not.
A lot of people are concerned.
You're hearing words being thrown around of a World War III, and that's been trending on Twitter on a few different days.
From your perspective, of somebody that's been in this, your father's been in this.
This has been your topic of discussion for your entire life.
How likely is it that we'll get there that a Putin or someone will take the first initiative of turning into a nuclear war?
So I don't think we're going to get to a World War III where the United States and Russia are lobbying nuclear weapons at each other.
They are both highly, highly motivated not to do something that could lead to the end of both countries as functioning societies.
What I'm more worried about is the possibility that Russia might use a few nuclear weapons in Ukraine itself.
The United States has said that it would respond in ways that were catastrophic for Russia.
What I'm hearing is not a nuclear response, but rather political, economic sanctions, but also conventional military responses in that event.
But we would have to expect that Russia would then respond to that.
And the situation could get quite dangerous.
Nonetheless, I think it's very, very unlikely we'd end up ending up with anything remotely resembling what people think of as World War III.
Got it.
So World War III to you would be as if the U.S. got involved.
How likely is it if a Pearl Harbor type of a situation happens when Japan attacks us and then a few years later, that happened under FDR and a few years later under Truman, he decides to nuke them.
And it's the only time this has happened two times in the history of mankind where we've actually nuked a place.
How likely is it that this will be only between Russia and Ukraine where Putin to save phase and how the world is pitching him at the end of his career to say, this is not going to be happening.
And he nukes Ukraine and then there's an agreement and it's over it versus a World War III.
So I think there are a number of different ways it could play out, very few of which lead to World War III.
The reality is Russia has thousands of nuclear weapons.
The United States has thousands of nuclear weapons.
Each of them are highly, highly motivated not to lob nuclear weapons at the other.
But in Ukraine, Putin can't afford to lose politically, and he is losing at the moment.
And he has threatened that he would use all weapons at his disposal if the Ukrainians attacked areas that he considers now part of Russia, which the Ukrainians are highly motivated to do.
Now, is that a bluff?
Possibly.
I think there's only maybe a 10, 20% chance that he would use a few nuclear weapons in Ukraine.
He might use them for coercion.
He might use a few on a battlefield and then say, unless you agree to my terms, I'm going to start hitting cities next.
So that's what we have to put up with.
I think the United States might get involved in that circumstance, not with nuclear weapons, but using conventional strikes, for example, on the units that carried out the nuclear strikes in Ukraine.
How do you feel about the way President Biden and our administration is handling the situation with Russia, specifically when it comes down to how we're handling the relationship with Putin in this case, where the approach we're taking, the average person that doesn't follow politics, doesn't read Wall Street Journal, doesn't watch CNN or Fox News or any of that stuff, to them, the average person that's watching football on Sunday and the topic of Putin comes up,
they throw him in the category of dictators and people in the past that have done a lot of harm to a lot of people.
But, you know, some people are split and saying, look, this guy is his priority is Russia.
He never wanted to go into World War III.
His main thing is the history of Ukraine.
It was part of Russia.
Whoever negotiated it before, he wasn't a part of it.
He's a true loyalist to what USSR once was, and he just wants his land back.
And he wants everybody in the world to stay out of it and NATO to stop trying to recruit Ukraine back to him.
Why are you doing that?
I told you that's the one thing I don't want you to do.
So from your optics, how would you view how President Biden's been handling it and what Putin's motivation is behind this whole situation that we're in right now?
Well, I'm sorry to say part of your question, I would argue, is reflecting the success of Russian propaganda.
Ukraine is an independent sovereign country.
Russia has agreed that for decades that Ukraine is an independent sovereign country.
And under the United Nations Charter, countries are not allowed to just invade their neighbors and seize chunks of their land.
That was the fundamental thing that the United Nations was established to prevent.
And now we have a founding member of the United Nations with a veto on the Security Council waging aggressive war on its neighbor.
So I do think overall, I would give the Biden administration quite high ratings.
They have used Selective release of U.S. intelligence to warn the world of what Russia was about to do and make it more difficult for various Russian disinformation campaigns to succeed because the world was warned ahead of time that they were going to happen.
They have sort of increased over time the supplies to Ukraine and the kinds of weapons we've been willing to offer Ukraine and managed to avoid escalation with Russia.
I think that we are going to end up in a big debate between people who say, you know, what Putin has done is just evil.
We've got to push back.
We've got to hold him accountable.
And people who say, whoa, he's got thousands of nuclear weapons.
It's dangerous to be in a situation where we have total hatred between our countries.
It's not good for us, not good for the world.
And I think there's going to be a tension between those two equally legitimate arguments over the months to come.
Last question here for you, unless if the panel here has a question, you know, sometimes when this conversation comes up and you're with friends and you got Republicans in there, you got Democrats in there, you got independents in there, you got those who don't give a shit in there, right?
They're just talking to each other.
And we all have friends and family when we're by ourselves talking.
You know, some will say, well, Pat, say what you want, but Donald Trump, when he was president, there was no war.
Nobody thought about ISIS, you know, Palestine and Israel.
Look at all the stuff that he did.
And everybody was afraid that was going to be World War III under Trump, but that never was a trending topic on Twitter, et cetera, et cetera.
Look what Biden is doing.
He's causing World War III.
We can potentially go there and look how much problems we're having on the way we left Afghanistan.
And by the way, these are people, some people that are saying this are people on the left that are saying this.
You know, Matt Zeller, former CIA agent who, you know, on Brian Williams, talked about, hey, the way we left Afghanistan, that shouldn't have been the right way to leave.
There's a lot of people that are not happy about the way we've handled things under a Biden administration, and a lot that were hoping that a Biden would have been somebody that would have been more peaceful, less war, less issues.
But it seems like every other day you turn on the news, there is some kind of issues going on, whether it's Afghanistan, whether it's Iran, whether it's Ukraine, whether it's Russia.
You know, so what do you say to the people that say under Trump, U.S. was more at peace and less fear of war was there?
And under Biden, it's been constant fear of potential war.
What do you say to those people?
Well, I respectfully disagree.
The reality is, in 2017, as soon as Trump came to power, he launched a massive crisis with North Korea that almost led to war.
And it's absurd, I would argue, to blame Biden for Putin's aggressive decision to invade Ukraine.
Putin has been planning this for some time, including during the Trump administration.
So I think this is in Putin's lap.
He wants to grab more land that doesn't belong to him.
And the world has appropriately stood up to that aggression.
The United Nations General Assembly just voted overwhelmingly to condemn Russia's annexation of Ukrainian land as illegal under international law.
And the Biden administration has really done a remarkable job in pulling the NATO alliance together in a way Trump utterly failed to do when Trump was president.
God, I have a question.
Just so we're all clear, would you reveal where you lean politically?
Are you on the left?
Are you on the right?
Are you more of a moderate?
Are you just a believer in common sense?
Are you just an educator?
What would you reveal?
So I regard myself as a political centrist, but it is true that I have served in the past in Democratic administrations and have largely offered my advice primarily on the democratic side.
Okay, so does that negate you from having credibility?
I don't think so.
I think in our country, we need to have bipartisan cooperation on not only national security, but a wide variety of things if we want to have sustainable public policy over time.
Unfortunately, in the world that we have today, our country is so polarized that we keep reversing course on policy after policy every time one party or another takes power.
Just a question before we go to Katie Hoppings.
I got one question for you.
Do you remember Mr. Peter Pry?
Yep.
Okay, we had him on a couple times.
Rest in peace.
He just passed away.
He was about a month and a half ago, two months ago.
I don't know if you knew that or not.
He just passed away.
Yeah, Peter, did you know Peter Prye?
No, but you just broke that news.
Oh, yeah, he just passed away two months ago.
We had him on the podcast twice in the span of a month, and then two months later he passed away.
Crazy.
Are you familiar with what his belief system, what he believed he viewed the nuclear threat that we had?
Did you and him speak regularly?
Because I like what you just said right now, where Adam said, do you lose credibility to say what you say?
And he said, no, you know, this is how America is.
We get to sit there and debate and, you know, agree and disagree.
And we get to say, well, I agree with Professor Bunn, I agree with Peter Pry.
How different of a worldview did you have when it comes down to nuclear threats from Peter Pry, the late Peter Pry?
So I think somewhat different.
There are lots of different views in these areas.
Peter was especially concerned, I would argue, almost obsessively concerned about one particular aspect of the nuclear threat,
which is the possibility of a hostile state detonating a nuclear weapon up in space where it could create a massive electromagnetic pulse that would short out a lot of our electrical systems over much of the United States if it were a big enough bomb detonated in the right place.
And Peter did a lot of great work on elucidating that threat, but I would argue that's only one of many nuclear threats that we face.
Got it.
Thank you for that, Katie.
So my question is about Zelensky and to what extent you think he's actually an authentic or legitimate leader or whether you think perhaps he is, as I believe, an actor or a puppet in the sense that he was an actor in rubbers and high heels until relatively recently.
And now we're supposed to believe he's Winston Churchill.
So my question is about Zelensky.
And my second question is, given you say nuclear war is unlikely, to what extent do you think Americans, ordinary Americans, Rust Belt Americans, really care about what's going on in Ukraine?
To what extent do you think they could find it on a map?
To what extent do you think spending in excess of maybe a billion or a trillion dollars in Ukraine really matters to people who can't put fuel in their car?
So two questions.
I would argue Zelensky has proven to the surprise of many to be a remarkable wartime leader.
And partly, I think his Media experience in the past has allowed him to sort of dominate the information space within Ukraine in a very clever way that has unified the Ukrainians much more than they ever were in the decades leading up to this war.
So I think Ukraine is lucky that they happen to have elected this leader.
It is somewhat hilarious for Putin to be describing the government of Ukraine as a bunch of Nazis when they elected by a vote of something like 70% a Jewish president, Zelensky.
I do think you're absolutely right that a lot of Americans don't really care much about what happens in Ukraine, but I think they should because the principle that countries aren't allowed to just invade their neighbors and grab chunks of their land, if that principle goes away, we're in a very, very dangerous world.
And that was the principle that we all agreed to after World War II.
And we want to avoid getting back into situations where we're fighting wars like World War II.
I think blocking Russia in Ukraine is actually quite important to U.S. national security in the end.
And that's going to be playing out over the course of the months.
And of course, there is an enormous difference between a billion, which we've already spent more than that, and a trillion, which is a thousand times a billion, which is there's no prospect of spending remotely that.
Say those numbers again.
What do you think we actually spent?
Well, we've spent several billion, I think over 10 billion at this point in military and economic assistance to Ukraine.
It's going to be expensive when the war is over for some combination of Ukraine and the international community as a whole to rebuild the place because the amount of damage that's been done is just horrifying.
Like a rebuilding plan.
We were having a friendly debate over here of how much money we actually spent or sent to Ukraine.
Some of us believe it's in the billions, some of us believe it's in the trillions.
Do you have an accurate number?
It's not remotely close to the trillions.
Trillions is a really big number.
A trillion is a thousand billion.
But you just said it's 10 billion.
That seems very probably over 10 billion at this point.
It's around 70 billion.
It's around 70 billion give or take.
It's a lot of money that we've spent.
I don't think that's correct, but I don't have none of us agree on anything.
That's what we can say.
No, but we all agree it's billions, Katie.
It's not trillions.
Well, he says 10.
He says 70.
I said 10 billion and 70 billion is a lot closer together than 1.5 trillion.
Professor Matthew Bond, first of all, thank you so much for taking the time to come in here and giving you a perspective.
Very helpful.
Thank you so much.
Have a wonderful day.
All right.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Different perspective, you know, to see where it's at.
And he is more optimistic that nothing's going to be happening.
So it's interesting to see what happens there.
Go ahead.
You're going to say something.
Well, Pat, well, going back to what is weird to me is that to him, it's only 10 billion, and to her, it's in the trillions.
And to me, it's 70.
I think it's $7.
No, no.
But no, the point is that people who are in this world are actually not tracking what the dollar amount is.
He thought it's only a $10 billion number.
It's not $10 billion.
And when he said $70, he's like, no, there's no way.
There's no way.
It's not $10 billion.
Because people here, like you were saying, And people are just distracted.
But then, going back to like our, you know, the way Biden's handling it and Zelensky, I think it was January, back in January when the whole thing was about to happen with Putin invading.
I think Biden even said, you know what?
We're not going to get involved if it's a minor incursion.
Do you remember when he was basically inviting them to come in there to start this whole thing?
And I don't know.
Listen, I know his father knew about nukes or whatever.
I worked at a nuclear missile base and I was hands-on in the military with people that were missileers that was brilliant about nukes and they knew about it.
If a nuclear weapon goes off in Ukraine from Russia, I don't care what anybody says.
It's the beginning of an end.
It's a nuclear weapon.
Okay.
It's going to change the people, the land, the atmosphere.
It's over, bro.
And if, and if he does something like that, say what you want.
We're not in a war with Russia.
Bro, we're giving billions of dollars to one side.
That's like if two gangs are fighting and I give you guns, money, troops.
Guess what?
Say what you want.
You're in the fight.
It's a war.
Bro, we're involved somewhat in this war.
And if one nuke goes off, I'm telling you right now, other people that have them, they're going to start to get edgy because if he's saying, what's going to happen?
We're going to go and do more sanctions if he does a nuke in Ukraine.
What the hell?
That's not going to do anything.
And Pat, you should know this as a military guy.
If a bomb goes off at that magnitude, even if it's a tactical, everything changes.
It's over.
It's over.
Because then other people are like, oh, shit, they're really doing this.
Now we have to get, you know, we have to get kind of involved because we have them too.
And I mean, if that goes off, it's going to be, it's going to be really ugly.
I so agree with you.
America is totally in that war.
100%.
And like, so when the bridge blows at Kirshon, everyone says that's the Americans.
That was Biden.
100%.
Whether it's real, not this, that, or the other.
Yep.
Or what we can agree is that everybody thinks a different thing.
And that's true in America about lots of stuff.
100%.
Everyone thinks what they believe is fact.
Yep.
Exactly.
Yeah, I mean, I think we're all in agreeance.
Nobody wants a nuclear war at all.
Okay, so ugly.
It'll be very nobody wants that.
But at the same time, he did bring up one major point.
You can't just invade other countries.
Now, there's a debate what the relationship is with Ukraine and Russia and the past and all the situations they have.
But UN doctrine, you don't just invade countries.
And you have other countries on Russia's border, i.e. Finland, for example, that just joined NATO.
That's like, look, they're on our border.
Can I say that?
We're not exactly in a good situation.
The thing that is a bit weird is that when you did his CV and you read it the second time or his bio, he talks about what his dad did.
Yeah.
I've never done that.
My dad used to work on the electricity board, used to do electric cables.
Should I throw that in my CV?
What does your dad used to do?
My father was an electrical engineer.
Oh, me too.
Yeah.
That's why we're good people.
Yeah, we're good.
What did your father used to do?
He gave his father's resume.
That was hilarious.
But I mean, countries do invade other countries.
I mean, we did it in Iraq because we said that they had no, we said that they had weapons of mass destruction.
We knew that they didn't.
We still went, nah, we're going to invade and take over.
Then once we found out they didn't have any of it, we're like, we're going to change the names of the war to enduring freedom.
It's like, come on, bro.
That invasion stuff is still happening.
And I think we kind of were like, kind of go invade a little bit, but we're not going to get involved unless it's really serious.
And now look what's happening.
There's a threat of nuclear war.
So, and like we said earlier, nobody cares.
Do you think the average person, we walked outside right now, he said, do you know that we're getting kind of close and this is going down?
They're like, why do I care?
Why?
You know, most people don't care about U.S. politics here internally.
Yeah, you're right.
Okay, so now you're asking them to care across the pond, no, Eastern Europe, into Russia.
I'm supposed to know who Volomir Velensky is.
I'm supposed to know that he's shorter than Putin.
I don't know what's going on here, bro.
I mean, they should, but they're not.
Adam, I wonder if you would just have the same feelings if Taiwan tried to take over land in Japan or China, or like a hypothetical, right?
Or flip it.
Ukraine marches into Russia.
Do we stand up and send Russia $80 billion or $50 billion or $3.2 trillion to stop the Ukrainians?
Yeah, well, that's also a straw man argument.
Ukraine is not trying to invade Russia.
It's not a strong man.
No, but you're able to take that Taiwan.
Exactly.
Okay, and I imagine what's happening.
China invading Taiwan is realistic.
Taiwan invading China is unrealistic.
No, Russia invading Ukraine is realistic.
What's happening?
Ukraine invading Russia.
It's about the same astronomical principles.
He's not a strong man.
He's asking about the principle.
So what if India invades China?
If India invades China.
I'm asking about your principles and if it's the same across the board.
Yeah, that would obviously be.
So we would send $80 billion to the Chinese to stop an Indian invasion of China.
Well, based on your principles, it's like India asking if your principles hold up to the business.
This is the beautiful thing that you're doing, kind of like Katie does.
You have some truth and some conjecture and some falsehoods, and you're like, weigh in on it.
I'm like, well, there's some stuff you're saying that is agreeable and some stuff that's not.
And you're trying to paint me in a corner as if I'm supposed to answer your bullshit question.
Nobody puts that in the corner.
Nobody puts that information in your corner.
No one's trying to.
We try to get you out of the corner emotionally.
Can you pull out what I just sent you?
It's important to show this is, so here's from New York Times: four ways to understand the $54 billion aid money in U.S. spending in Ukraine.
Can you see the whole thing or no?
Will it allow you to go up or not?
No, but this is from May 20th.
Yeah, but what I'm saying to you is that was five months ago.
Since then, we've given another give or take $20 billion.
Out of the $54 billion we gave, $9 billion was to help them economically.
$7 billion was food assistance and health care.
$6 billion was their military and security assistance.
$5 billion was grants and loans for military supplies.
Another $1 billion was for migration and refugee assistance.
Then some for Europe and Central Asia assistance.
Then foreign aid, then $12.5 billion for weapons and other supplies, and $8 billion for military deployments and intelligence.
Just in that $54 billion.
And it's been another $20 billion or so since then.
And an hour ago, Insider just broke.
Lawmakers could rush through another $50 billion in aid for Ukraine.
So we're getting close to that trillion.
We're not close to a trillion guys.
But we're not close to the trillion, but we're over $100 billion if we give that.
That's a lot of money.
I agree, but that's like saying I'm worth – Because I don't have a commitment.
It's like saying I'm worth a billion dollars.
No, you're worth a million dollars.
This is not boring.
I'm bored of billions.
But just to be clear, board of billions.
I just want to be clear.
How did you find that article?
Google.
Did you Google that?
I don't know.
When you Googled it, do we have our friends on or no?
I'm going to poke my eyes out with a picture.
They're on?
Yeah.
We'll have a momentary.
I'm pretty sure she'd agree with this, and you would too.
If we took half, I don't even want to say the numbers.
That number that we just saw, Katie, and we put that to our border and fix our people and the border, bro.
Please?
Like, that's what we want.
Like, it's enough of over there, overseas, overseas.
Help this, bro.
So, Vinny, should we send any money?
Anyway, God, God, put it to foreign aid.
Any.
To be honest with you, no.
We should not anymore.
So we should have zero foreign policy.
I don't think so.
Because mind you, mind you, Adam.
We have military.
I don't.
We have military installations.
I think we occupy 100.
I could be wrong.
I think it might be 160, something like that.
We have bases everywhere.
We're plotted everywhere to protect the world.
We're the world's police.
When it comes to stuff like that, nobody really helps us if we get into shit.
I think until this is fixed, and it's not 100% fixable.
As a veteran, when I see veterans on the street and they're dying, when I see homeless people, when I see the real problems that we have in Chicago, in the hood, the border, all this stuff, and put that money, invest here.
Once we're solid, then I would say, okay, here's some money, here's some military assistance.
But until we're chilling, I say no.
So do you think we should send, if it was possible, any money to help the people of Iran?
If we're secure, 100%?
Yes.
I say, yeah.
100%.
Can I just say?
So you think we should?
I'm saying when it's a circumstance like that, not people just trying to start a war, 100%.
100%.
But the point about NATO, your point about America being the world policeman, Germany and other countries like mine were not putting as much funding into NATO as a percentage of our GDP as America was.
That was Trump's point was that America is unfairly spending to protect the world.
Remember that meeting?
When our countries are not, you know, putting up the dollars.
So that's all my point was about kind of the NATO spending thing.
That's why Trump was kind of pussy.
By the way, I think Trump missed a massive marketing opportunity with the NATO thing.
Everything with build the wall, lock her up, drain the swamp, three words, three words, three words.
When it came to NATO, how did he not just say, make NATO pay?
He was just, it was a fucking bullshit, crazy, weird argument.
It was.
Made no sense.
And if all he said was make NATO pay, a lot of people have been like, okay, three words, simplified.
I actually understand you.
I think he failed on that hood.
I like that.
Yeah.
He got people to think about things that we've never thought about.
Come on, Tyler.
Do we have him on or no?
Oh, sorry.
Yeah, different conversation.
Me and Tyler having chats.
I love it.
She's bent on this 22 trillion.
And I'm scouring.
Well, no, because they're not.
I've been looking for the failuch.
I just needed to borrow Tyler's tech for a second.
Don't Katie, you don't have a phone in the States?
Do you have wearing the green?
Oh, come on.
No, I'm not doing that person.
This is a phone.
I don't know if you've ever seen one.
No, Katie.
No, Katie, because you said when you were a band and all that stuff, especially like you're, which I'm, I'm actually.
No, I was being a professional and left it in the green room, but I didn't realize you guys were just like having shit.
Look, so Katie, you were saying while we're waiting for this person, they canceled your bank account.
Yes, when Trump tweeted me the first time, they took my PayPal.
When Trump tweeted me the second time and praised my outstanding journalism, they took my personal bank account that I'd had since I was 14 years old.
They just shut it down.
What was the justification for that?
You don't have to, obviously.
It's Andrew Tate.
That just happened to Andrew Tate.
They shut down when the you're going to be shocked.
I'm not an advocate of that whatsoever.
Actually, I know you're not.
I sympathize with you on that.
That's ridiculous.
Take down your bank account.
No, no, I don't think you do advocate for that.
I don't think you're an asshole.
Thank you.
Actually, a lot of people that have disagreed.
No, you're not.
You're not.
You're not.
You're not sweet.
Okay.
So we have our friends here, our guests here from UK.
We appreciate you guys for doing this.
If we have them on, I don't see them.
I think they're about to join.
You may want to prove them.
So Rob tested them.
They should be on here in just a second.
Okay, sounds good.
I recognize that guy, though.
Yeah, I recognize that.
That's a good looking Assyrian.
So the most important thing about it.
Look at the hair.
He could be in the mafia, and he could be...
Okay, look at that guy.
Look at the eyebrows on him as well.
Look at those eyebrows.
You can braid my eyebrows.
They are on flip turn.
You could braid my eyebrows.
They are beautiful.
No, they have been looked after.
I'll take you.
Look at his little twinkly eyes.
He's a Syrian.
Always remember that.
A Syrian Armenian.
Don't forget.
Honey, honey, honey.
So if we got him on, I want to get right into it because, Tyler, you said they have him on, or did we go to another topic?
They should be jumping on.
I think they threw soup at the camera.
Rob just said we had him.
I'm looking into it.
Tyler's so on it.
Tyler's not playing games.
Give me 30 seconds.
Since you said the chili, his brain.
Just, you threw a monkey wrench.
How about this?
If we are going to get these guys, can we tee up the story a little bit so our audience understands what a great, great idea?
Do you want to tee this up?
It's not.
Uh, i'll tell you guys here in a minute why.
Uh uh, Tyler saying he has it.
This is very important on the way this is going to be set up.
So so these ladies, these two girls, Phoebe Plummer and and Anna Holland, chose to protest in their own way and they are part of the the JUST OIL activist and they threw soup all over Van Gold's iconic sunflower painting and they glued themselves to the wall.
And they're out of Uk and this was a trending topic all over the place.
People were talking about it.
There we go, we have them on time, and I simply want to know what they're protesting and I want to give them the eyeball to share with us what they were really protesting.
So, if we have you on uh uh uh, if Phoebe, is that you or are you?
And i'm sorry if I don't know the two names.
Hi, and how are you?
I'm very well, thank you.
How are you?
Very good.
First of all, thank you for uh agreeing to do this and being on.
We were trying to do it.
I think last week something happened uh, sometime we had it like three, four days ago and then we ended up doing it today.
So, if you don't mind, take a quick moment.
What I just set it up as yourself and your friend Phoebe you guys are part of the JOY JUST OIL activists.
You two chose to, through uh, throw soup all over Van Gold's iconic sunflower painting and you glued yourself to the wall.
Can you, can you share with us what point you were trying to make?
Yeah, absolutely so.
In Just off OIL, our demands are that the government should end all new fossil fuel licenses.
Okay, so currently trying to push forward a hundred new fossil fuel licenses, which will, without a doubt, kill us, it's a genocidal policy, but they're trying to push forward.
So, in Just OFF OIL, we are trying to prevent that from happening.
We're trying to save not just ourselves, but our children and our families.
So we decided to throw soup over Van Gold's painting as a way not just to make a statement about that and to get people finally talking about this climate crisis, but also to get people talking about the cost of living crisis, which is fueled by the same people who are pushing forward to this climate crisis.
Well listen, what?
Whether you're getting criticized for your approach or not, you got eyeballs and you got attention.
So what you were trying to get accomplished, you got it and people uh, paid attention to what you're, what you're doing.
But now you said your concern is that this could kill us.
This could get pretty ugly.
Can you unpack that a little bit for us on your argument?
Yeah um, you know.
So the science is clear.
Since the first Cop conference 26 years ago, we have created more emissions than the entire of humanity up until that point.
Right now, it is a matter of political will in needing to change this, rather than the science not being there.
You know, this summer in the Uk, in the heat wave, we lost a third of our wheat crops.
We're set to lose half of our potato crops.
We're heading towards mass famine.
Right now, 33 million people are displaced by floods in Pakistan.
36 million people are facing severe famine in East Africa right now.
The climate crisis isn't a problem of the future.
We're seeing the catastrophic effects of it right now.
Can I ask you what grade are you guys in high school or in college?
We're both university students.
I'm 20 and Phoebe's 21.
Listen, please take that as a compliment that you look young.
Don't take it by anything.
It's just you look like you could be high school or college.
So at what point did the climate crisis become a concern of yours?
Do you remember how old you were when the climate crisis became a concern of yours?
And what was the setting when you sat there and said, you know, we better start paying attention to this?
Was it early in high school?
Was it in junior high school?
Or is this a recent thing?
Well, I personally began paying a lot more attention to not just the climate crisis, but the political climate of the world around me.
It's around age 14 when I really started gaining an understanding of all the news headlines that were coming through.
And from that point, it just seemed that every single year, things got worse and worse and scarier and scarier.
So in 2018, I started finally trying to do something about that.
So 2018 is when Extinction Rebellion really became popular in the UK.
And that's when I started getting involved in marches, in petitions, in writing letters to my member of parliament.
But then I realized that none of that made a difference.
No matter how many marches I went on or how many petitions I signed, there was no actual change happening.
You know, a petition could be signed by millions of people.
It gets sent to Parliament, the House of Commons, they debate it, throw it away, and are done by their lunch break.
You know, those methods didn't work and it was so frustrating.
So I joined Just Stop Oil because we are a peaceful protest group who use methods of civil disobedience and non-violent direct action to actually make change happen.
And it really feels that since I started taking action with Just Stop Oil, that finally what we're doing is making a difference.
Yeah, I think for me, I became aware of it.
It sounds a funny thing because I think now we all are quite aware of the climate crisis all to some extent.
But I became aware of it probably around five years ago.
And at first, I think I only connected with it intellectually.
You know, you look at these science and the facts and these predictions, and it's easy to connect with it intellectually.
You can understand it.
But I'd ask anyone listening to this right now to connect with it emotionally.
Because for me, that's when I knew I had to do something about it.
Because as a young person, I'm terrified about the future we're facing.
Are you really terrified?
Are you really though?
Are you really terrified?
Are you really concerned for your life?
Are you afraid of what's really going to happen?
And if yes, what do you think really will happen?
Like how bad you think it's going to get?
If your concern is truly climate change, that this thing's going to change, how bad do you think things are going to be?
Because AOC said we may be, you know, ceasing to exist in 12 years.
And I'm sure you guys have seen that when she said that a couple of years ago.
And, you know, Greta, you know, Thunberg has gone around talking about how she called out a lot of different political leaders around the world for not doing anything.
And she went out there and she got noticed by a lot of different people.
Are you truly concerned about your future when it comes down to climate change?
Yeah, I really am.
Last year, Sir David King, who was the former chief scientific advisor in the UK, said what we do in the next three to four years will determine the future of humanity.
Because there's these tipping points that scientists warn us of, which when you surpass them, you've done irreversible harm.
It doesn't matter the kind of policy changes we make or the sustainable changes we make.
Once you surpass those tipping points, irreversible harm has been done.
So, as a young person, I'm terrified I'm going to be denied the right to grow old.
I'm terrified I'm going to live in constant fear of climate disaster.
I'm terrified that I won't have access to clean water or food.
And we know that these fears are real because right now, millions in the global south are living the realities of these fears, and they're the people that have done the least to cause the climate crisis.
So, what do you think?
What do you think about?
And I'm listening, I'm not in this space, neither are you guys.
This is something you're protesting.
I have my own things I protest that's important to me.
You know, we all have lived our lives, and I have to respect everyone's concerns, fears, and passions that they have in their lives.
But, what do you think about rich people who work for these large insurance companies?
Do you think they like losing money?
Can you guys hear me or no?
I don't think anyone likes using money, that's why we have to use disruptive tactics.
And, you know, in the UK right now, we are entering an awful cost of living crisis.
Right.
Yeah, earlier this year, the head of British Petroleum, one of the biggest oil companies in the UK, said he has more money than he knows what to do with.
He has the audacity to say that when our country is plunged into this cost of living crisis, where this winter, families are going to be forced to choose between heating and eating, parents are starving themselves so that they can feed their children.
And the head of this massive oil company says he has more money than he knows what to do with.
Yeah.
So, but let me let me give you an idea where I was going with this question on what's the one data that gets this argument to be done with is a lot of these actuaries in the insurance industry, their job is to underwrite the billions of dollars that they're sitting on to protect it.
Like their job is to manage risk.
That's what they get paid to do.
They go to universities, they come out and they're supposed to study every single thing.
And then this insurance company is sitting on, say, $50 billion, $20 billion, and you're coming and saying, I want to get XYZ insurance 30 years from now, 20 years from now.
Insurance cost of insurance is going lower, life insurance, different kinds of insurance, it's going lower, because people are thinking we're going to live longer.
Life expectancy has gone higher in many different countries in the world.
And the only reason actuaries are charging life insurance to be so cheap is because they're thinking we're going to live to 100.
Like, odds are right now, Phoebe.
And I'm a little concerned for you guys.
You guys are two young, healthy, attractive girls.
You're probably going to live to 100.
It's all going to be all right.
For you to be afraid of the fact that the end of the world is coming kind of prevents you some of your best years of your life to enjoy yourself.
Now, don't get me wrong.
I love the fact that you have a passion, but what do you think about these actuaries and these billion-dollar insurance companies that when they do the math, they sit there and say, you're probably going to live to 100 years old.
And if that's the case, that means maybe AOC and Greta are wrong.
What do you think about these guys that went to school and they do math all day, just a boring life?
And they try to protect the billions of dollars of these insurance companies.
Okay, so this year we had the worst drought in 500 years.
That destroyed a third of our wheat crop, half of our potato crop.
In the UK, this summer we reached 40-degree heat, which is something that was not predicted to happen by scientists until 2050.
In those just 48 hours of 40-degree heat, 1700 people died of heat exhaustion.
The NHS andrew municipalities were put on black alert.
Fire brigades have their busiest day since the blitz.
You know, we're not worried about our future because we don't have a future to be worried about.
This climate crisis is happening right now.
We got so lucky that this summer, that heat only lasted 48 hours.
Next summer, it's going to last even longer.
Next summer, even more people are going to die.
But no, let's look sooner than this summer, okay?
Let's look at this winter, just a few months.
Two-thirds of UK families are going to be forced into fueled poverty.
You know, children are going to freeze to death in their own homes because our governments are too lazy and too incompetent and too downright abusive to care about us.
We're not fighting for some distant future.
We can't afford to think that far ahead.
I don't care about life insurance because I'm not going to live long enough to cash it in.
I understand what you're saying.
I just want to get to 25.
That's my only goal right now.
You know, I understand what you're saying.
And I respect your passion.
And it's obvious it's very sincere.
And you're truly concerned about this.
But I will tell you, to me, a lot of time when you look at these greedy people, the good thing about greedy people is, you know, if their life revolves around money.
So let's, you know, the person you guys were talking about earlier that he says, I have so much money, I can't even count.
So let's judge those greedy people.
The benefit about greedy people is it's a very honest relationship.
What matters to them is protecting their money and not risk losing their money, right?
They're not willing to risk all the money that they've made.
And if insurance companies are still giving insurance policies to people thinking you're going to live another 80 years, that means that future is bright.
But, you know, the part of protesting for you and for you to do what you do, super necessary.
Go make your case.
People are going to debate you.
They're going to argue with you.
I remember when Al Gore 30 years ago said, we're supposed to be dead today.
You know, and Al Gore's documentary, when he came up and he said, I don't know what it was, 25 years ago or 30 years ago.
And a lot of people sat there and said, what happened?
Your argument just didn't have any credibility.
But it got a lot of young people to go out there and march and protest and get excited about it.
So it's a very effective message.
Say that again.
Already dead because of the climate crisis.
I'm not saying that 10 years down the line, people are going to die.
People are dying now, right now, because of the climate crisis.
Right, right.
Well, go ahead, Katie.
So yesterday, a lady that was involved in a car crash, actually linked to one of my circle of friends, she died because an ambulance couldn't get through because your protesters, Just Stop Oil, were blocking the road and the ambulance couldn't get through in time.
She couldn't get the help she needed and she died.
Earlier, you said that you are a peaceful protesters.
My friend is dead.
How do you answer that?
We have a blue light policy, which means whenever we have roadblocks, as soon as we hear sirens, we see the blue lights, people move out of the way.
Even when people are gluing in the road, there's always one lane that is kept clear so that people can move out of the way.
And we have never had any complaints from either ambulances, fire brigade, or any other emergency services.
The video footage exists and the lady can't complain now because she's dead.
Let me ask you another question, Phoebe.
Let me ask you, what bills do you currently pay?
Who pays for your accommodation at university?
My student loan.
Have you ever paid any bills in your lifetime?
No.
So you don't know what it's like to be a homeowner and not to be able to afford your energy bills and then see some stupid young people throwing soup over a painting in the gallery that has nothing to do with the fact they can't afford to pay their bills.
You don't know what it's like to pay a bill, Phoebe, do you?
No, but I have empathy for those people.
You know, this climate crisis is fueled by the cost of living crisis is fueled by the cost of oil crisis.
They are both one crisis.
It's a crisis of greed of our government and their billionaire friends.
What do you understand about an ordinary family who can't afford to pay their fuel bills, who needs ordinary fuel to be delivered?
But because of green taxation, their bills are now so expensive they can't afford them.
And if we stop oil, how much more expensive do you think fuel is going to be, Phoebe?
Or is it that you're just spouting out words that you and your friend think look good?
How is it related to stopping oil to throw soup over a painting in a gallery?
How is that related?
How is it helping the poorest people in my country?
I understand that right now, fossil fuels are subsidized 32 times more than renewables, even though renewables are nine times cheaper.
Would you rather your bills were £3,500 or £400?
I would rather that you and your friends stopped wreaking havoc in the city of London.
I'd rather you stopped throwing soup over paintings, stopped putting orange paint on the windows of Harrods, stop sitting in roads so that my friend couldn't get the treatment that she needed.
And I'd rather you went out, worked a bit.
Maybe you could do some litter picking on a beach.
Maybe you could do something that was practical and helpful.
But I don't think being obtrusive and obstructive and lecturing ordinary people when you have no idea what it's like to try and work and make ends meet in the UK.
You talk about millions of people.
You talk about people who are in poverty.
You have no idea what that's like because you live in the rarefied atmosphere of a university at some wokerate place and you think what you're doing is changing the planet.
I think what you're doing is pissing people off.
And I think you could allocate your energies more effectively by going out and picking up litter on a beach.
Thank you.
Can I just write an out really?
I just want to empathize with you, Katie, but it truly does break my heart to hear about your friend.
It really does.
But I really want you to understand that myself and Phoebe are acting out of fear.
You know, we are terrified that you shouldn't be, my darlings.
You shouldn't be.
You have been fed a load of nonsense.
You're going to live way past 25.
And I hope you live till 100 and have a brilliant, brilliant life.
Young people should not be in a place where you're being intimidated by fear.
You should be living the best life you can.
Jump, jump, jump, and your wings will unfurl on the way down.
You're limiting your whole world.
We should be living a life in a gallery.
Because it has to be done.
We're fighting for our lives here.
The only way we can make the change happen is if we make systematic change.
I completely empathize with you, and I want you to understand this disruption that we are causing will stop immediately as soon as the government releases a meaningful statement that they will stop producing more fossil fuels.
It's as easy as that.
But I understand your anger.
I really do.
I really understand your frustration.
I'm angry and frustrated.
I really, really am.
And but all this can stop the minute the government that's not true because we need more fuel.
We need more fuel supply.
One of the things about supply and demand, as you'll know, is if supply is restricted, demand remains the same.
Prices go up.
It's basic economics.
We don't have enough fuel supply.
Stopping oil is not going to help with pricing.
You talk about renewables.
They're not there ready to take over from oil.
Well, we currently have eight years worth of oil in reserve.
So if we stop new oil licenses now, we would still have eight years to make a just and fair transition to becoming a completely renewable society.
The biggest solar farm in the UK was built in six weeks.
You know, we're an island right now.
We could be harnessing tidal power.
Tidal power currently accounts for 10% of our UK's energy.
I hear your stats.
I hear your stats.
Do you see that you're going to need to bring the general population with you and people's opinion with you?
And I don't believe you're going to bring any people's opinion with you when you're still throwing soup at artwork.
Well, you know, this isn't a popularity contest.
The suffragettes were famously hated.
Martin Luther King was voted the most hated man in America when he was alive.
And the thing is that right now, we know that these tactics of non-violent civil resistance do work.
I'm sat here today as a queer person.
And the reason I'm able to vote, the reason I'm able to go to university, the reason I'm able to hopefully will someday will marry the person I love is because of people who have taken part in these acts of non-violent civil resistance before me.
Well, I'm not to cut you guys off, I'm actually a food waste activist.
And the fact that you guys threw soup on the painting really bothered me because I'm pretty sure there were hungry people outside that would have loved to have eaten it.
So because of that, I'm going to go fill up my gas tank.
I have to.
I have to.
I'm going to, ladies.
I got to tell you.
Did you want to say that?
Just one quick question for you.
I applaud what you guys are doing.
Kudos to you guys for at least being very passionate about something.
20 years old.
I, you know, if you're both 20, I was not half as passionate about anything as you guys are.
So respect on that.
But there is a famous quote out there that says, when you're young and if you're not liberal, you have no heart.
But if you're as you get older, if you're not a conservative, you have no brain.
So you guys are going to figure that out along the way.
We all are.
So respect you.
Here are my two questions.
Legitimately, what pronouns do you identify with?
That's number one.
Number two, if there's a hundred of your friends in a room and you talk about your top issues that you care about, what's number one, two, and three?
Meaning climate, LGBT rights, the economy, healthcare.
So pronouns and your issues, if you would.
So I use they, she, he pronouns, whatever you're in the mood for.
Um, and for me, I think the climate crisis and also the cost of living crisis are uniquely unifying because this will affect everyone.
And your friend, I also go by baby pronouns.
I also don't see how that comes into this argument because this is what we're facing because climate crisis goes beyond anything to do with gender sexuality.
But I completely agree with Phoebe.
The main concern my friends and I talk about is the climate crisis and the cost of living crisis.
My university had to open a food bank for its students this week.
That's how dire things are.
Students who are already getting a loan by the government to pay for things like this can't even afford to buy food using that loan.
Yeah.
It's all energy bills because of the climate crisis.
Phoebe.
Our biggest concern is keep moving against meat and just feeding ourselves.
Phoebe, Anna, if you had an outcome that you wanted to get with what you did, you got it.
You guys were able to get the attentions of others to present your argument.
And I applaud you for your emotional control because you were pushed and folks came at you here and you were able to give your argument.
Now, whether the audience agrees or not, it is what it is.
Whether anybody sits there and agrees with you or not, it is what it is.
I applaud you guys to be respectful in return.
And I value that.
So thank you so much for coming on and sharing your views.
We appreciate you guys.
Have a wonderful day, guys.
The future looks very bright, by the way, just so you know.
I believe the future looks very bright.
Take care, guys.
Bye-bye.
Bye-bye.
Take care.
Thank you for talking to us.
Thank you, Phoebe.
Thank you, Anna.
Take care.
By the way, honestly, respect.
You know, say what you want, man.
I don't know if I'm 18 years old.
I'm 20 years old.
I'm not responding that way.
They're well spoken.
They know what they're talking about.
But you know what it is, though?
This is the one thing I thought about the whole time I'm listening to and this is what I thought about.
Out of a 10-year-old, a nine-year-old, a six-year-old, and a 17-month-old.
The power of universities, what they do to people to get you to be afraid, thinking you're about to die in the next five years.
The influence professors have today, the influence teachers have today.
What you just saw is two people back-to-back that we had on, like three people.
The second one is the byproduct of the first one.
The second one is a byproduct of the first one.
The influence the first one has over the second one.
And then people come out with degrees.
We're sitting there supposed to think, you know, and you don't understand what's going on.
You don't understand what's going on with this.
And we have to take it.
You have to sit there and listen to it.
So, anyways, fascinating.
I thought it was great.
Go ahead.
So, one hand, I guess to your point slightly, I'm not going to make it to 25 at this rate.
Like, my aim is 25.
And she, I'm not mocking.
She believes that.
Yeah.
But my pronouns are they.
So, wait a minute.
You had time to work out what you were saying.
I didn't understand.
Their pronouns is what?
They, they, them, and him.
I would as well, but that's nobody gets it.
That's the whole point.
I don't know.
I don't, they're not.
Yeah, so they want to be.
So Phoebe could only be identified as they.
If you speak of Phoebe, you say they.
They are coming over.
They came on the show.
They.
Her by herself.
They has a sandwich.
Also, when I said ladies, that's not.
And then you said, hey, guys, thank you for coming on, guys.
You messed up three times.
And that's right.
And then you also have not because of you, that they're going to go throw paint on the Mona Lisa.
They're going to go to the bathroom.
That's a hate speech.
It's all good.
At the start, you called them five years old, which I really loved.
Girls, are you like 10 years old?
So you said high school or high school.
They weren't.
They looked like a food waste activist.
They're throwing soup on shit.
Dude, from a bunch of people.
People are starving all the time.
I'm thinking from a business standpoint.
You know, from a business standpoint, they could have gotten $100,000 if they would have called Campbell's Soup saying, we want sponsorship.
Right.
And this is Campbell's Soup on the painting and then boom.
And then Elmer's glue.
Five seconds, you just got to go like this.
And then the glues.
This protest is $100,000.
This protest is brought to you by Campbell's Soup.
Elmer's glue.
And look, I can't take my hand off the goddamn wall.
So, anyways.
Yes.
I was going to say, Katie, I know we're about to wrap up.
I don't want to be too presumptuous, but I'm extending another invite for you to come back anytime you'd like.
That's so sweet.
I love her.
Sweethearts.
I love her.
An hour and 30 minutes ago, I'm going to be in the middle of this.
An hour and a half later.
Maybe it was the U.S. British thing that we had, and it caused fireworks.
And when I see British people, first of all, I think fireworks.
Let me give you one perspective.
Why you should love her.
You know why?
He does nothing.
Let me tell you.
Tell me why.
If she thinks, if she thinks $60 billion or $3 trillion, she could think a lot of numbers are bigger.
Yeah, my more million than $10 billion.
Respect for men out there.
I'm allegedly a million.
I'm going to come back.
I'm going to come back with the numbers on Ukraine.
Please.
Real quick.
I want to confirm.
I'm coming back.
And she comes back in the air with a throw.
Happy Friday, everybody.
I'm tattooed on my ass.
Just so you know, the future looks bright.
Some crazy shit is going on.
It's going to be wild.
We don't know what's going to happen in Russia, Ukraine.
We feel bad for the folks that are going through the families that had nothing to do with it.
The ones in Iran, the ones in Tehran, all these families.
They just want peace, but they're in the middle of a government going at it with other people.
I'm convinced the future looks bright.
As messy as it is, everything's going to come down to leaders rising up and making things happen.
So appreciate you guys for being with us.
Katie, thanks for coming out.
This was fantastic.
As usual, have a great weekend.
Are we on back?
We're back Tuesday with the one and only Chet Hanks.
Some answers on next week.
Oh, fantastic.
And I'm doing a show at one o'clock today with Preach from Abund Preach right here in the street.
