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PBD Podcast Episode 141. Patrick Bet-David is joined by comedian Kevin Farley.
Kevin Farley is an entertainer to the core. Over the past 3 decades, he has made audiences laugh, cry, smile, and think as a stand-up comedian, actor, filmmaker, and podcaster.
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Kevin, who currently tours around the world performing his brand of "positive" stand-up comedy, got his start studying at the famous Second City in Chicago. Soon after he starred in films such as Black Sheep (with his brother Chris) and The Waterboy (with Adam Sandler), and leading roles in An American Carol and White Knight. He has also made guest appearances on Curb Your Enthusiasm, Rules of Engagement, Just Shoot Me and Comedy Central's Drunk History to name a few.
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Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal bestseller Your Next Five Moves (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.
0:00 - Start
0:22 -What it was like to grow up with Chris Farley
12:04 - The DNA of a comedian
16:10 - Chris Farley's legacy
18:30 - Kevin Farley recalls hanging out with Adam Sandler
20:45 - Addiction
35:31 - Discussing Will Smith/Chris Rock
50:58 - Bill Maher on Jada Pinkett Smith
57:34 - Why Capitalism always wins
1:10:10 - Kevin Farley on politics
1:17:22 - Disney
1:27:57-1:31:17 (how about that southwest flight) Southwest Airlines passenger (whats wrong with mcgarity)
But it's great to have you on, you know, when the Rob the Bookers like Kevin Farley and everyone, oh my gosh.
And then Adam's like, oh, we have to.
Yes, we got to have him on.
And Adam, why don't you tell him your heroes in life?
I think it's important for you to do that.
Gladly.
Yeah.
Look, I grew up in the early 90s watching SNL, dude.
And, you know, I mean, this is going to segue into talking about your family and your brother and everything.
But on my Mount Rushmore of life is your brother and Adam Sandler.
Of life, dude.
Oh, really?
Like, I used to do stand-up comedy.
I had to transition out of it because I wanted to make money at some point.
But you didn't do it.
You're out and do it.
It's a money-making thing.
But I just remember in middle school running around just getting everything.
It'd be like what I said, like your favorite baseball player of all time, Juan Gonzalez.
Meeting the entire Gonzalez family would be a big deal for you.
No, yeah.
There's still a lot of people that remember him.
And that's why I made the documentary because I wanted to show people what he was like.
And there's a lot of been said about Chris and that kind of thing.
I kind of wanted to set the record straight a little bit on some of that stuff.
And it was, yeah, it was a great documentary.
I was happy with it.
Let me ask you, you guys are less than a year separated.
What is it?
Yeah.
No, Chris was like a year.
Yeah, it's called Irish Twins.
We're Irish.
Yeah.
So, you know, I think he's like a month, a year and like a month older than I am.
Yeah.
Which is crazy.
So your older brother, one year apart, is Chris Farley, legendary.
But like, you have a lot of what he had.
You're like Irish twins.
Exactly.
She haven't questioned.
So what I've been doing.
We're very different.
I'm like Chris Farley light.
I'm not going to throw myself on a table.
No, exactly.
So yesterday we're hanging out at this event and we're talking to Pompliano, right?
Pomp Bitcoin.
And I'm asking about his family, five brothers, how they're doing.
And he's telling the story.
He's a massive guy in the Bitcoin story.
Yeah, he's he.
Yeah, he is.
But all the five brothers, they're all doing something, right?
From 26, the youngest, to 33 being him, the oldest.
They're all players.
They're all killers.
And I said, so tell me about the household growing up.
Well, how was dad like?
How was mom like?
And he said, you know, dad was a worker six days a week, but mom ran the show.
And I said, but tell me about the whole, you know, dynamics because I got four kids.
What was the Farley household like growing up?
That's what I want to know.
Yeah, all brothers too, right?
Yeah.
No, there's one sister.
There's a sister Barb, who's actually the funniest.
No, it was a lot of like, because we had four boys in the basement.
We had a house that had a basement.
We didn't have an upstairs.
So it was kind of like living in a dungeon area.
I don't know.
But we also, Wisconsin was cold.
And I think a lot of comedians come from like Canada and Wisconsin because you're trapped inside.
And there's no other thing to do other than like, we didn't have a lot of things growing up, you know, other than I'm going to try to make you laugh, you know, or else I'm going to try to make you laugh.
Or I'm going to do something.
And then we dare, always daring.
I dare you to do that.
I dare you to do that.
And we'd make up games like, does this hurt?
She's pretty simple.
You don't want to lose it that game.
What was the oldest?
Pretty simple game, you know.
The oldest to youngest.
Give us the rundown.
Well, there's Barb, who's the oldest.
She was the oldest sister.
She had her own section of the house.
So we couldn't go over there.
She had Carpenter's albums that we couldn't touch and that kind of thing.
And then they had the rest of us just kind of like piled in an area.
We'd switch.
Like one of us would get in a fight and then I'd have to room with John.
And then, you know, one of us would get in another fight and we'd have to room with Chris.
There's three boys?
One girl?
Four boys.
Four boys.
Yeah.
Gotcha.
And what are the age gaps?
For someone that operates Chris Farley, you'd think he'd know his bio.
To be honest, I know Chris and Kevin.
That's who I know.
First, I'm hearing that Barb is the most funny.
Hour two, we get to Kevin's cousin.
John's the older brother.
John's the older brother, right?
John?
John's youngest.
He's the youngest.
John's the youngest.
And then I have a brother, Tom, and then a brother, Chris, and then myself, and then John.
And how many years separate the?
There's only a couple years.
Yeah.
Dude, what is it?
You guys all went to middle school, high school, all at the same time.
Pretty much.
Yeah.
What was that like?
I mean, football team, you know, parties, keg, this, basement.
What was all that like?
It was, you know, I think that I look at kids growing up now and I'm like, I kind of feel bad.
Like, we were out a lot.
Like, I'd be like, say, wait or I'm out of here.
You know, and I'd go be with my friends for hours.
And I don't know.
I never went home or anything.
I never went in front of the television.
You know, we had to make up our own fun and our own.
When the VCR hit, they were like, oh, wow, I'm going to watch this all day long.
But no, we were making our own fun.
Like, we're out and playing basketball or making up our own games or trying to.
Usually Chris was always the funniest.
Like we could make him do anything.
You know what I mean?
He would do anything.
Like anything.
Anything.
No, it's like, you know, you make these dares where you go, hey, I dare you do this.
I dare you do that.
I'm not going to do that.
He'd do that.
Craziest dare he ever did.
What's the craziest dare?
Oh, I don't know.
You know, the simple one was running around the block naked.
That's just pretty simple.
I mean, but it takes, it's not a very, you know, nobody came up with the idea, like really thought about the idea.
In Wisconsin.
But it was the most dangerous thing.
Yeah, because you're ultimately going to get a call from the neighbor going, hey, I just saw.
Chris is running around naked, gang.
But think about it.
If you're an expert at physical comedy, which he was, I mean, that had to be the funniest sight.
And you couldn't get mad, right?
You just see Chris Charlie running down, you know, doing a whole mile around, you know, and then he had to, he had to complete the thing, though.
You had to, you can't back out of the dare.
Yeah.
Nobody.
When we made these dares.
When we made these dares, you had to complete the dare.
Now, were you the one?
Were you the one mostly daring him to do the thing?
Or like, what was your involvement all the time?
He was a chicken.
I would make the game up.
Yeah.
I would help make the game, but I'd never do the thing.
He was always doing those.
You're the producer.
And he just said more of the time.
I would get the credit.
I would laugh.
By the way, what's the story with dad?
Dad was like an instigator.
He would come in.
He would like, hey, it seems like he was also orchestrating a little bit of this.
A lot of that.
He would be one of those things where he had five kids that he'd rile up and then get him into a frenzy and then walk out the room and be like, all right, my mom handle it.
But he was an asphalt salesman, so he sold asphalt for a living.
And, you know, if you ever see an asphalt crew that's like 120 degrees on the road, and then we would sell the oil for the asphalt.
And so, you know, it was tough.
And if we didn't do good at school, he'd be like, I'll get you on the asphalt crew if you like.
I'm like, no.
Right.
There's the ultimate third.
Pat, you know, Kevin's stand-up routine is awesome.
And a lot of it, you talk about, you know, your family.
You talk about Chris.
He's got one joke where he talks about, I got to find out if this was a joke or if this really happened.
The joke you had where Chris came back for Christmas with sex toys for everybody.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He thought it'd be really funny.
You know, and he's like, yeah, this is going to be funny.
I'm going to give everybody a sex toy.
And I go, yeah, it's not going to be funny.
You know, you're going to ruin Christmas.
And he bought too many of them.
Yeah, 100.
He bought 100 sex toys back.
And so after you opened up the first one, you're like, oh, okay, I got a sex toy.
And then you open like 20 of them.
You said, dad's not going to learn this.
And he breakfasts for mom, dad, the guy.
The whole works.
Everyone gets a sex toy or two.
Yeah.
And the joke ran out about after the third president, you know, and then we're all just kind of like, nah, you've got to go to the hospital.
So he just ran around the block naked.
There's something wrong with you.
So then he just ran around the block.
And how old is he when this story happened?
He was too old to know.
No, like in college.
Okay.
I gotcha.
Yeah, he was too old to be doing that.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
No.
I can only imagine the reaction.
You need to come home.
Like, if I did that with my dad, what my dad's reaction would be.
The funniest thing about him is he would do those things where he thought he legitimately thought it was going to be funny.
And I'm like, this is going to miss the mark on such a level that he's like, wow, this is going to be so embarrassing.
It's going to be great.
And he was just, but he'd still commit to the joke.
And that was part of his comedy where even though you weren't really sure if this was going to be funny, but he would go so far into it that he made it funny.
Right.
Even just because of his commitment to it, you know.
Would you have to applaud?
I mean, by the way, didn't didn't, didn't in the documentary that you produced, didn't, I don't know if it was the EP or the producer, who was that said he didn't just like comedians that were funny.
He liked comedians that took a lot of risks.
Yeah.
And it seems like your brother was a risk taker with a lot of these things.
Some of us on stage.
Yeah, oh, his life, too.
But I mean, on stage, he would always appreciate any kind of comedy, even like just to get up there.
I mean, you did stand-up, just to get up there with a microphone or get up there and do improv.
We were in the improv in the second city and that kind of thing.
Chicago.
Yeah, we all did that.
And so when an improv, you just, you're starting out with nothing, just for like a, you know, a suggestion from the audience, and then everybody goes from there.
And so just to get up there takes a lot of guts.
It just does, you know, and it just takes a lot.
So he always empathizes, yeah, if you gave it a chance, you know, if you get up there and you and you didn't try, he didn't like that.
You got to get up there and really try, take risks.
And if you took a risk, he'd be like, I love it.
You took a risk.
It didn't work.
But who cares?
It's about trying it, taking a risk on stage or wherever you're doing it.
Sure.
And that's what separates the great ones because everybody's up there.
You're feeling naked, right?
And you got to keep going on.
And that's how you learn to persevere and come up with some good standby jokes.
We had a football coach that had this saying, which was funny.
Like whenever you had a play that you messed up, and then you go to the coach, you're like, well, I thought I needed to pull this way.
And my coach would always go, well, don't think do.
And he goes, if you're going to make a mistake, make an aggressive mistake.
Chris always used to say that.
That applied to stage where you're not sure what you're doing out there, but make that aggressive.
And then you could kind of fake it.
You're like, I knew what I was doing.
Did you play football as well?
Yeah.
So what positions were you guys?
No, we were all on the line because we were too big.
Let's get all the big boys on the line.
Yeah, yeah.
We were not skilled.
I could just see some Farleys pulling guards over there.
All right.
Sweet left.
Farley's going.
We were all on the line.
Yeah, we were all on the line.
There was no skilled position.
What was that like in high school?
If you're, you know, he's in 10th grade, you're in 9th grade or whatever, senior, junior, locker room, football, like boys being boys.
What was that like?
It was a competition to see who could be the funniest.
To me, we valued funny guys.
And if you were a funny guy in our school or any of our friends or even our family, you rose to the top.
If you could make everyone laugh, that was to me, that was the goal to be the funny guy, the guy that was always making people laugh.
And he was always constantly the winner of that.
He won that every time.
And did you in your grade?
If he was the funniest for his grade, were you?
I was in my grade.
Yeah, I was.
I learned from everyone.
It seemed natural, you know, being grown up and trying to just make the other guys laugh.
And was everybody trying to impress dad?
Like, what was the impetus for that?
Everyone's trying to be funny in the Farley household.
It stemmed from dad was very funny.
Really?
Yeah.
And I think there was always this, you know, you just want to, you know, make the big guy laugh.
You know, if you could make the big guy laugh, then you were in good.
Well, then he's not mad at you.
You're not going to show you where you're at.
Because, you know, it's not like we didn't get in trouble.
Do you think there is an element of, you know, because when you look at comedians, what are some of the DNAs of comedians?
Some of them lived a very hard life, right?
Like it just wasn't a cool upbringing.
So they had to figure out a way how to use comedy, right?
Yeah.
Some of it is.
Maybe you got a person that is such a high expectation person that you want to humor him or perform, or something like, what do you?
What do you notice being the DNA of great comedians?
Lonely, like a Robin Williams, would you say that I don't, I don't know.
I'm curious to know what you would say.
I think they don't.
They don't have good, you know, the family like it's not Ozzie and Harriet, you know.
I mean it's not that our family was, you know, terrible.
I always have good memories of it, but yeah, there was some struggles.
My dad was a big guy, he wasn't real healthy and there was some sadness there, you know, and so there's always this combination of of that going behind the scenes, and so, you know, there was, I don't know of any comedians that had like really perfect, like where your parents were constantly just listening to everything you said.
I think part of being in a big family too, you get kind of lost and you want to, like you know, get more attention, you know.
So I mean there's all that dynamic going on, you know, with our house, you know, and so you know who knows it wasn't like really I can't say it was like really dark.
But there was this.
Yeah, it doesn't.
I don't think comedians that I know have that kind of upbringing where it's a little difficult, little difficult and there's either poverty or or some kind of thing going on.
You know, you know it's crazy.
I'm I'm watching a lot of you and a lot of you know Chris, this morning and I'm going through a lot of the content last night.
Today I'm driving back.
I got an hour drive after I dropped this guy off and I watched a clip this morning of Adam Sandler singing the song dedicated to your brother.
I don't know if you've seen that or not sure, and let me tell you, I'm driving, you know, and I'm like I can't even control my.
I had to pull over.
I'm like, did he?
The end of the song gets replaced.
Yeah, I mean listen, look.
So I see one of the lines.
I took screenshots while I'm driving.
So it says I saw him in the office crying with headphones on, listening to a KC AND THE Sunshine BAND song.
Yeah, I said buddy, how the hell is the making you?
How the hell is that making you so sad?
He said.
Then he laughed and said just thinking about my dad.
Yeah, so you can tell the, the affinity this guy had for his dad, your brother, I mean there's got to be that love, that adoration.
Was it that kind of a thing?
Yeah, I want to make him proud.
Yeah, he loved my, I love my dad.
My dad was a great man and but he had some troubles, you know.
And uh, he wasn't, you know.
And so I think Chris always wanted to make him feel better.
You know he wasn't very healthy, you know, so he always wanted to make him laugh and that kind of thing.
When somebody's chronically ill like that, you know it's tough to have that in your family, you know, so He always wanted to make him feel better because he wasn't feeling good all the time, you know.
So, you know, I think that's part of it, you know.
And I think Chris had a huge heart.
You know, he had a huge heart.
He always felt for people.
He had very empathetic, you know, and that kind of thing.
We used to go visit old people and he wanted to always go visit old people in old folks' homes, you know.
But it was kind of funny, too, because like he'd stay too long, you know.
I'd be like, all right, this woman is pretty sick, Chris.
You know, she doesn't have that long to live.
I'm not leaving.
And the nurses are staying with Barbara.
So be like, you know, don't yell and don't, you know, be like, Chris would be like, hi, I'm Chris in an old age.
And the lady be like, one lady is like, ah, get out of here.
And then this other, this one lady thought, she's like, are you David, my son?
And he goes, no, I'm Chris.
And she's like, David?
And he goes, no, no, my name's Chris.
And I'm like, this is confusing.
Let's get out of here.
Just say you're David.
So, you know, Pat brings up the tribute that Adam Sandler sung.
Ultimately, what we're talking about is Chris's legacy.
And I mean, whether it's Sandler's tribute, whether it's even, you know, comedians these days, Theo Vaughn, his set just had a picture of Farley on it.
Yeah, your brother.
That's it.
That was his set.
That's right.
And even you producing or co-executive producing I Am Farley.
Speaking of his legacy, I mean, is it that's my brother, or do you want to kind of carve your own path?
How do you balance being the brother of literally one of the greatest comedians to ever live?
Yeah, I don't know.
You know, I have to live with it.
So I don't try to like separate it.
I talk a little bit about it in my act, you know.
But like I say, I'm kind of Chris Farley-like, I don't really jump around or do anything like that.
All his comedy is a little different than my comedy.
But I try not to run away from it.
I mean, I really can't.
I mean, people that talk to me all the time, when they know that I'm Chris's brother, they want to talk about it.
So I don't mind it.
Of course.
It's not something I run away from, but I, yeah, I'm trying to carve out my own thing, you know.
But I'm naturally not as bombastic as him.
So not as loud and gregarious as hell.
Yeah, but people want me to do things.
To that point, speaking of your bits, not running away from it, you have got a great bit where you're like, you know, I'm the brother of a famous guy.
And you kind of, you talk about Roger Clinton.
Yeah, there's a other brothers and other famous people are like Jim Hanks.
That's a guy that came out to me one time.
I was like, I was standing up for, I think it was Bobby Slayton that said that to me.
And I think one time I just laughed.
It was, it was funny.
He goes, you're Kevin Farley.
Yeah.
And he goes, Yeah, I knew Jim Hanks.
I'm like, Tom Hanks brothers.
What's that supposed to mean?
He knew Jim Hanks.
He wasn't Jim Hanks.
No, no.
This guy goes, yeah, I mean, this is the kind of conversations I always run into.
I knew Jim Hanks.
Yeah, you're Kevin Farley.
I'm like, yeah, yeah.
And he goes, yeah, I knew Jim Hanks.
I'm like, oh, God, okay.
What is that supposed to mean?
You know, so I'm like, well, this is the kind of life that I have.
I'm like, thanks, Chris.
You know, this is the kind of thing.
These are the kind of conversations I have with people.
Hey, Kevin, let me ask you this.
I love your stand-up.
It's so good.
It's observational.
It's based on real life.
And if you love Chris Farley, you get some of that.
But Kevin's his own man in a brilliant comic.
My question is: he had those spade.
I love spade, right?
And Sandler and those guys were so close to Chris.
And when you're around you, there are similarities in personality.
Do they try to hang out with you?
Do they talk to you?
Keep the relationship going and kind of feel like they still have Chris in their life a little bit.
Well, sometimes I don't see him as much as I did.
Obviously, life gets in the way, but I used to hang out when I was in the LA.
I used to hang out with those guys a lot more than I do now, but I don't hang out with him as much because, you know, just people get families and that kind of thing.
But yeah, I think probably there was some of that.
I think there was probably some of that.
But I think they miss him so much.
And people loved him, you know, and that's the legacy that he has is his friends really loved him.
And everyone on SNL always spoke highly of him.
Yeah, man, it was so powerful.
When you hear those guys, I mean, their lives were really, really ruined for a little bit.
I mean, Spade couldn't go to the funeral.
Am I correct?
Yeah, no, that was too much.
He called and said, I can't really do it.
And, you know, I understand.
I mean, that was a dark, dark, those were dark days, you know.
And my dad passed away a couple of years after that.
So we went through our tough time definitely during the, you know, during those times.
But that was for everybody.
And the funeral itself was really, really, that was one of the most moving things just to see people, how much he touched people's lives.
You know, so I'm proud of him for that.
You know, for all of his faults that he had, he had a huge heart and he touched people and got to people.
And so he lives, that's his legacy.
And so, you know, I look back and I'm proud of him for that.
You know, so that's, that's the greatest thing.
Yeah.
No one will ever forget Chris Farley.
That's for damn sure.
I mean, he just had that power.
I mean, you could not watch him and not be moved, affected, and really have this lingering affection for him because he was so lovable and so real and he was so daring and willing to go out there.
Yeah, he lived like he lived like right out there, you know, where, and you kind of worried about him at the same time, like as his brother.
I'm like, oh, it's like a tightrope.
Did he talk to you?
I was watching, I watched Howard Stern talk to Chris Rock and Artie at the same time.
They were talking about your brother.
And they're having a conversation.
And what I thought about, I had a friend who was like a brother.
I never had a brother growing up, but this guy was one of them.
And I remember when I lost this guy.
I remember where I was driving when I got the call, and it was the most painful thing.
And the crazy thing about when we went to his funeral was we were all sitting afterwards, the boys, like 10 of us, were sitting at the table.
And everybody's looking at our table saying, why aren't these guys laughing and crying at the same time?
We were in tears.
Adam, when I tell you, we're laughing so hard and crying at the same time.
And it's almost uncomfortable because the family's like, do you respect?
I'm like, I'm telling you, this is how we feel about your son.
We loved your son, but he pissed us off because we don't have him anymore.
We wish he was here.
We lost him at 27.
But would he call you when he was in pain?
Because this friend of mine, he would always call me and I would always call him and check on him.
And he's just telling me, he says, Pat, I'm struggling with this.
And I'm like, what are you struggling?
We'd have the conversation together.
Would he reach out?
Was he someone that would reach out?
Would you have to reach out to him?
No, no, he would reach out.
But then he would isolate too because he never wanted to be a burden to people.
So the isolation is tough, especially with drugs.
And it's tough.
And you want to try to help as much as you can, but it's something that they have to go through themselves.
So it's very heartbreaking to see someone that's going through that kind of thing.
And you just don't know what to do.
It puts everybody in this kind of thing.
Like, I wish we could just get him, you know, somehow help him out, you know, and that kind of thing.
Well, this has been part of your life, man.
So you've had every conversation, every question, every thought, everything that's gone through.
It's been 25 years, 97, right?
December 18th, I want to say.
So it's been 24, 24 and a half years coming out 25 years.
So you probably had every question that people ask.
But I'm listening to Chris, what he's saying.
And Chris Rock, he's telling Howard the solution is stop hiring him.
Or to fire him.
No, he says, stop.
And Chris's recommendation is the way you get these guys.
He says, number one, he says, a lot of the people who are in the industry, all they want to do is they want to heal him for a weekend to do the shooting and go back and do your drugs.
And we'll give you everything you want.
But then let's put you through therapy again to clean you out.
It says, rather than permanently fix a person, stop hiring him.
Stop giving him money.
Stop.
Let him go broke so he doesn't have the money to buy the stuff.
And that's the only way to clean up.
So they're going back and forth.
And then Howard says, but is it really the producer's fault?
Is it no, I'm not saying it's not the producer.
It was a very interesting exchange.
He called the Hollywood people enablers.
Yeah, he called them enablers.
Because he's such an amazing talent that they want to capitalize on that.
Right.
And they, but they want him to be clean for the role, but then not interfere.
And then Artie Lang, who also has some major if you have any relationship with Artie.
Yeah, I know Artie.
Yeah.
So it was a really interesting conversation.
I listened to that same thing.
It was Howard Stern and obviously Robin Quivers and Chris Rock and Artie all talking about your brother, but it was beyond just your brother.
Right.
It was people struggling.
And they were directing it towards Artie, correct?
Yeah, they were directing it.
They were trying to find a solution of what to do with these amazingly talented people who are struggling with addiction.
Yeah.
So, I mean, this is right in your wheels.
I would say definitely you would have to put them in, depending on how severe, you know, it can be, it can get to be very severe, which it got to be with Chris.
And I think the only solution, when it gets that way, lock them in a room and they don't get out for a while.
Like for a while.
What's a while?
The final year.
Yeah.
Possibly more.
Possibly more.
When it gets to be that acute.
Yeah.
For sure.
You've seen the movie Walk the Line.
You've seen the movie Walk the Line.
Remember that one scene?
Have you seen Walk the Line?
The story of Johnny Cash.
Yeah, Johnny Cash.
Okay.
You know, Walking Phoenix, right?
There's this one scene where June Carter, who is played by Reese Withersman, which she crushed it.
What a movie.
That's a movie I watched with my kids, my boys, to teach him a lesson.
But the one scene where he's in the bed, and the guy that was selling him the stuff comes from the side, and you see the father-in-law come out with the shotgun saying, hey, get the hell out of here.
And you've seen the struggle of Joaquin going through the withdrawal.
Oh my God.
And I saw my body go through it.
We took him to Tarzana Rehabilitation Center.
I don't know if you're familiar with Tarzana Red Beltation Center.
It's closer to Woodland Hills.
We took him there.
It was like 400 bucks a day and they had to be there for 14 days.
And afterwards, he was good for two weeks.
And his challenge was Viking.
He couldn't drop the Viking.
He'd take 50.
He'd take 50 a day.
And in a day?
In a day.
In a day.
Yeah, and they'll do anything to get it.
I mean, they'll break it to somebody's business.
I remember me and a friend were at the place right across the street from Conrad's.
I don't know what it was called.
Shaky's, Shaky's or Shakers, whatever it's called, in Glendale, off of Brand or Central.
So we go there and I'm sitting with him.
We came after a Bible study.
I was trying to introduce him to a pastor to kind of see what direction we can do to heal this guy.
And he says, oh, I forgot my jacket.
I want to go get it from my Mustang.
And I told Armand, I said, Armand, I'm going to walk out.
I don't think he's getting his jacket.
So I walk out right behind him.
He doesn't see me.
I walk to the back and he opens the trunk.
He still doesn't see me because I'm hiding behind an SUV.
I want to know what this guy's doing.
He opens it up.
I come right next to him.
He opens the bottle.
He drops.
He's about to go like this.
I hold his arm.
I take the pills.
I take the whole thing.
I put it in my pocket.
I've never in my life seen a man plead for anything the way he was pleading in that moment.
Yeah.
I've never seen him plead for it.
And I'm watching him and I'm seeing the pain this guy's going through.
And I'm like, dude, I'm telling you, you're not going to get it from me.
He says, Pat, my body hurts.
I'm telling you, you just give me five.
I'm like, I'm not giving it to you, bro.
Three o'clock in the morning, Armond comes out.
He's crying for two hours.
Obviously, I didn't give it to him that night.
I took it.
I walked out and I went and found out who was selling it to him.
So I went and had a conversation with the guy that was selling it.
It wasn't a conversation, but we had a situation with that guy.
And a dentist was selling these Vaicodins to him because it was like a way of, yeah, it was a dentist because he was making five, $10 a pill, whatever it was.
And there was so much connection.
But, okay, we can get rid of the dentist.
There's going to be another doctor that's going to prescribe illegally.
We can get rid of the guy that was selling it to him and do whatever we want to him and eliminate him.
There's going to be another guy that's going to eventually, as much as the survivor has the pain of what else could I have done, I think eventually it goes back to the individual.
The individual, the individual has to be willing to go through it in as much support and change you put.
Yeah.
Man.
But you have to get him off.
There's steps.
You have to get him off, like, you know, initially, you know, like, which is, you know, tough, the withdrawals and all that kind of stuff.
Then there just has to be, and I'm going to say it, you have to turn to God.
You have to make that part of it.
Because I think the human being can only go so far.
And with anything, that goes with anything.
When you're struggling with anything, we can only go so far.
And if we don't reach out, we just, no, it's not going to work.
We're meant for that, I believe.
You know, it's crazy you say that.
You know, it's crazy you say that?
We're at Bible study one night in Pasadena.
Pazmats, I don't know what the church was called, and I want to hear your thoughts.
And he's sitting there saying when we're talking, he's praying.
The pastor's praying over him for 30 minutes and he's fully in tears.
This is a tough guy.
This is the first guy in Wilson Jr. High School I got into a fight to he's the first guy that ever punched me in the face.
Like he's not like a lightweight.
We would fight, him and I all the time.
And we were best of buddies, right?
And he had a challenge of trying to please his dad.
Yeah.
So you know the whole thing about pleasing.
He's like, I don't think I'm ever going to please him.
And it was a list of people that he was going through.
And no matter how much we try to get him to go through that phase, always coming back and feeling guilty like he can't please folks.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, was Chris going through the God aside?
Was he going to church?
Was he going through?
You know, we're Catholic, you know, and I think that he had, you know, the, I think there's a thing where he would go to church and he would, he believed in Christ and he believed in that kind of thing.
So, but there is, there's an extra step where he just, for each person, I mean, there's, there's, there's a, there's a thing you can kind of like give it lip service and that kind of thing.
Like, I go to church and I don't know what's going on.
But to really get in, to really, to really give yourself to that is a different level.
There's a different level there where you have to like really let a lot of stuff go.
And that means 90% of show business and all that other stuff.
You have to let a lot of stuff go, you know, and just live and just be and understand that, you know, none of this really matters.
You know, there's one other dynamic there too.
You know, Chris was what, in his early 30s, right?
Mid-30s when it happened.
33.
You know, guys at that age oftentimes are married, right?
Or they have a girlfriend.
You ever think about it with Chris Farley?
So he probably was on his own a lot at home, traveling New York to Chicago.
And sometimes if you have a strong female, a wife, you know, a girlfriend, they can be there to monitor it and maybe, you know, be there and maybe keep them from some of these bad habits and whatnot.
But he was living alone, right?
In Chicago?
Yeah, and that's another thing I would say to anybody that's having trouble with drugs.
Find a girl that can, that's good for you, not somebody that's going to be bad for you.
But it's tricky with men anyway, to find the right woman that can really kind of be there for you and marry her and be faithful to her.
And that'll get you through a lot, too.
Yeah.
You know what's crazy?
Definitely.
Do you know what's crazy about what you just said?
So you're the age 33, right?
You know who died at the age of 33?
Christ, yeah.
Christ, Alexander the Great, John Belushi, Nipsey Hussle, the list.
It's a very interesting.
That 33 definitely wasn't Christ.
He might have been Belushi, but he wasn't.
Yeah.
Belushi.
All these stories.
What's been your experience with drugs, partying, alcohol?
You know, listen, we're Irish Catholic.
I mean, I have my struggles too, you know.
And so I go, I do go to program and that kind of thing.
I'm off of all of it now, you know.
But yeah, but to me, it's definitely therapy and God, you know, and I'm Catholic and I go back to my faith and I try to try to make it a part of my life, not just like something that I talk about.
You know, I try to make it part of my life.
It doesn't always, you know, I'm still flawed person, but I, but I have to make that part of my life or otherwise it doesn't work for me.
When you see, I mean, obviously we're approaching this endemic phase of what's been going on with COVID, but part of the fallout of everybody being trapped in their house for the last couple of years is a lot of people are utilizing drugs and alcohol more than ever.
And, you know, we're seeing a lot of overdoses.
So being that this is more pervasive than ever because of the pandemic, does it get you angrier than ever?
Do you want to speak out more about it?
Is it closer to home when you hear these stories?
What's your thoughts on just everything?
I think in general, I think there's this walking away from God.
I think the whole country and the world is we're walking away and we're in a dangerous spot.
I think that you can't do that.
When the society goes away from God, then we're seeing it.
I mean, we're seeing it.
We go into materialism.
I mean, I think we're, you know, in my Catholic faith, we're fallen individuals from the start.
So we're going to go, we're prone to materialism, wealth, greed, all that kind of stuff, gluttony, all that kind of stuff.
Whatever the seven deadly sin, whichever one you have, which we all have, you're going to gravitate towards that.
That's just human nature.
So that's what we're seeing, I think.
I think that's what we're seeing.
We're just seeing a bunch, you know, when we don't need God, well, we're going to go somewhere else.
You also have pretty strong opinions politically.
I mean, you'll say some stuff at times.
I don't like to get canceled or anything.
Yeah, no, not getting canceled, but you'll say what's on your mind.
You don't hold back.
You know, I try.
It's a very confusing time, but I try to.
I see it now, and I look at it and I'm like, I think, yeah, we all have to speak up.
We do talk a lot about politics in this country, that's for sure.
And I think there is other things than politics.
And my act, I don't go too far into it just because there's so much politics everywhere you go.
So I try to get a little more slice life stuff.
You know what I do like?
You know what I do like with what's so every once in like during COVID, like all the hospitalization, new heroes were risen, right?
We were kind of looking at people and saying, look, I don't know how you view COVID.
You got to respect these nurses that were working double shifts and holding.
So all of a sudden, nurses became heroes, right?
You saw these videos of nurses coming home and they can't see their kid.
And that one where the guy puts a glass window, he's trying to hug his kid and the kid is like, hug me.
And I don't know if you've seen that clip.
It was very emotional.
Like, okay, I wonder how it is to be a nurse today.
But I think what the last few years have done, and maybe this, it's been like this, you know, forever, but I think comedians have become very important.
I think comedians have become very important where a Bill Maher, who's a comedian, is making everybody on both sides of the aisle say, what the hell are you doing?
Right.
And then you're watching Rogan, who's a comedian, is addressing every issue that's on out there from a standpoint of, I don't know, I'm trying to learn myself, but now I know, and here's what I found out, and maybe this and maybe that.
But look, I'm a comedian, right?
And you see Jon Stewart played and Ricky Gervais and Ricky Gervais and Chappelle, especially Chappelle, with some of the topics he touches on.
Translate.
Oh, my God.
The trans stuff is.
They didn't get that memo.
Yeah, so you see some of this stuff that's going on.
And then you see what happened with Will and with Chris Rock.
What are your thoughts?
When you saw that, what was your initial reaction?
Right.
I mean, I think what we saw was everybody retreated to their homes and then we went online.
And you can manipulate that online.
We saw that with Twitter.
But in a stand-up show, hey, just a crowd of people in the microphone.
Who's going to stop that?
Words do have a lot of power.
Words, the words coming out of my mouth have a lot of power.
That's what a comedian realize.
I'm just speaking words.
Well, words have a lot of power.
So when you have just a basic thing of me talking to you, and you're not going to censor this, you're not going to censor that.
So stand-up becomes really powerful because, well, I can talk to this crowd here.
And I think when a comedian, we're just used to having that kind of power.
And like, you know, we're not used to being censored.
Every comedian does not like that.
Oh, that just grates on us, you know, because that's our whole thing.
We need to say our words.
Right.
You know, and so that is your toolbox.
Words that are coming out of your mouth.
Words that are coming out of your mouth.
Exactly.
The ability to say whatever words I want to say.
So, yeah, when obviously as a comedian, to see somebody come up on stage is terrifying to me.
I mean, I've had a bottle thrown at me out of the blue, and that was terrifying enough.
But yeah, there's like, for every comedian that's ever had that, that's a frightening thing, especially Will Smith.
He's gigantic coming at you.
Like, I could see Chris's face.
He's like, what's happening?
He didn't move.
He just stood there like almost face forward.
Like, what is happening right now?
No, it's in surreal.
I mean, surreal situation.
You know, I mean, everybody's talking.
What I did like is the guy on SNL said the other day.
He's like, it feels like we've been talking about it for five years.
Did you hear what Ricky.
So here's what Ricky Gervais said.
I don't know if it was on the view a couple days ago.
Yeah, that's what the timeline was.
And he said the following.
He said, I would have, I'll just read the whole thing to you.
So he says, I'll get out of the way.
I have not, I've gotten no Will Smith material.
I've trended.
I trended when that trended when that happened and I was not even here.
What has it got to do with me?
People were going what they have.
Anyways, and then he finally says, well, nothing.
As I would not have made a joke about his wife's hair, I would have made a joke about her boyfriend.
That's what she said.
You know, what Ricky said.
And by the way, no, and Ricky, you think Ricky would have done that from stage?
I actually believe he would have done it.
Sure.
I think sure.
Look at his golden globe, Axe, for sure.
Yeah, and by the way, here's what happened with a couple things.
Will Smith's contract gets pulled from Academy, Award Slap, the Daily Caller story.
Netflix and Sony have stepped away from their projects with Will Smith a week after he slapped Chris Rock at the Academy Awards.
Upcoming projects that Smith expected to complete have now officially halted as a result of the now infamous slap, the Netflix film Fast and Loose and Sony's highlight, highly anticipated movie, Bad Boys 4.
Wow, Bad Boys 4, have both been put on hold.
I doubt any big studio of streamer is going to take a chance in signing Will Smith until Smith's brand recovers, until the process is underway, media analyst Jeff Bach said.
You think these are the right moves they're making?
I do.
Definitely.
I don't think there's a punishment big enough for Will Smith right now.
You know, when I watch what he did, and it wasn't just spontaneous.
And here's a couple other things.
When he was screaming at him and F-bombing him, did you see the rage in his face?
I mean, that was not some little throwaway line.
Here's the other thing.
Will Smith won the Academy Award and then he had that whole speech about what he did, right?
About how he's going to be the defender of people that are abused.
What if he hadn't slapped Chris Rock?
Was he going to use the same speech?
That thing seemed very, very polished, and it would have seemed a strange speech for someone that was playing Serena Williams' dad in a movie, right?
So I look, CAA had like some big-time meetings, I guess, over the past few days.
What are they going to do?
One of the founders, Brian Lord, wanted to get rid of him.
One of the other founders who represents him personally, you know, fought to keep him.
And they didn't drop him like they did Harvey Weinstein and anybody else that kind of gets in trouble in Hollywood.
So, you know, I just, the more I watch this, if you would think of one Hollywood star that would be least likely to do that, isn't that funny?
It's Will Smith, or he's one of them.
He just doesn't have that reputation, or at least he used to have a reputation as being that nice guy, that non-confrontational guy.
Apparently, we don't know him as well, but he deserves to suffer some sort of career fallout for this.
I'm not down for everybody just getting canceled, but usually people are getting canceled for things that, you know, they didn't have any ill will towards.
They didn't do it intentionally.
They just had an opinion or a belief.
And people, you know, just decide to cancel him.
But to walk on stage and steal everybody else's night, which is what he did, and slap him?
It's just unbelievable.
I mean, and then Chris Rock, he's just playing it so cool, isn't he?
Whoever gets that first interview with Chris Rock, that is going to be a good thing.
By the way, he already did his first stand-up and he says, if you think I'm going to have any Will Smith material, prepare to have nothing for you.
He's still thinking about it.
No, he's going to sell it for $6,200 million to Netflix.
I got to tell you, I respectfully disagree with our friend Tom Zenner here.
This is just another example.
Like, what did he really do?
He slapped another grown man in the face.
Oh, give me a break.
I know that you slap a lot of men, Tom.
What did you say?
I know that's your go-to move.
At the Oscars?
I don't know.
On stage and slap another man in front of millions of people.
All right, hear me out here, gay.
Number one, before Tom, we miss you.
Yeah, we miss you.
Good to be back before this monstrosity of slapping someone.
Did anyone give two shits about the Oscars?
The Oscars should be thanking Will Smith, number one.
And so should, and so should Chris Rock.
Chris Rock was career, number one, I was a huge Chris Rock fan in the 90s, but he hasn't really done all of that.
Okay, time out.
You're wrong.
You're wrong.
Tom, let me get to the, we'll get to you.
You've already been offended by Will Smith, but this goes to a bigger thing.
And it goes to the point of cancel culture.
If we're going to start canceling people because we don't like what they did, how far does this go down?
They tried to cancel Rogan, okay?
They've been trying to cancel Chappelle.
We're talking about canceling comedians and canceling entertainers.
They tried to cancel Bill Maher.
People on the left start trying to cancel Bill Maher, even though he's been an advocate.
First thing that you said, Kevin, was, hey, we're going to talk politics.
Well, I don't want to get canceled.
Where the fuck are we as a society?
Yeah.
That you have to actually worry about getting canceled for having opinions.
Sort of the beauty of PBD podcast, where we're doing value tame, is unless you're saying things that are completely extreme, complete misinformation, complete hate speech, say what the hell you want to say and let the market determine what's right and what's wrong.
But it's usually the people that are trying to cancel people are fringe people who get all worked up in a frenzy and then try to cancel people.
Shout out to Chris Farley, I think.
That's a good one.
But even you, bro, you've been in Hollywood.
I mean, you experienced this.
Why is cancel culture so pervasive, right?
But, Kevin, before you jump in on that, weren't you starting by defending Will Smith?
I mean, that's completely different than some trolls on Twitter.
I'm not defending Will Smith.
My whole thing is cancel culture here.
If people don't want to go see Will Smith's movie, don't see his fucking movie.
But don't say that Will Smith can't work anymore.
What are we talking about here?
No timeout.
He assaulted someone on stage.
I don't think anyone cares about that.
But you're equating Chris Ritter 12.
If Chris Rawls did slapping a guy, two different things.
Chris Rock didn't press charges.
It sounds like you want to press charges because you almost got slapped.
Not at all.
I don't think I have like a half a million opinion here.
Point is, I want to get your thoughts on cancel culture.
Well, yeah, I think cancel culture is this giant brush.
I mean, we can be nuanced about this.
You know, I mean, you know, I think it's like, well, yeah, Will Smith can never work again.
All right.
Is there a nuanced approach to this?
Can we maybe he shouldn't go to the, he's already canceled from the from the academy and he's already, you know, done his own.
He's already thrown himself on the sword in that kind of thing.
But what is the Oscars going to do now?
I think the Oscars will probably, you know, give him some kind of a punishment.
I don't think that he's not going to get off without a punishment from them.
But I think once all the punishment is dealt out to him, they'll probably, he'll probably work again, you know, I would imagine, I suppose.
And we're talking about one of the greatest performers of all time, maybe not working again.
Because he slaps someone.
Yeah, but timeout.
No one's saying that.
He shouldn't work again.
I'm saying there should be some repercussions for walking on stage and slapping a man as an Academy of Wars.
As a standard.
He built his own production company.
He can do whatever he wants.
As a stand-up, that's so egregious because it's something that we all fear as we're on stage.
Somebody coming up either with a gun or something like that.
Well, that's what happens is, you know, if you've ever been on stage, you're blinded by the lights.
The audience is kind of this mob out in front of you.
So you have this real visceral fear of like something, somebody coming out of the dark, you know, and how dare you say that?
That kind of thing.
So as a stand-up, I hope that he can't, I hope, because I don't want this to be like, oh, Will Smith got away with it, and I'm going to do it at Farley's show.
I don't want that to happen.
So I hope that something's deterrent there.
Like, you know, you can't come out of the stadium.
You can't come out of the stands.
You can't do that.
So one time they're doing the red carpet walk, whatever it is.
A guy comes and talks to, I don't know if you've seen this, comes and talks to Will Smith and tries to kiss Will and Will slap them in the face.
Nobody reacted to it.
Well, listen, a guy tries to kiss you in the face.
You don't like that?
You slap him.
Everybody says, okay, cool.
No problem.
We move on.
You know, the part, like, think about it from this standpoint.
Chris is a performer.
You're a basketball player.
If you're a basketball player and somebody walks into the floor and does anything to you, you're not a player, meaning Will is not the player in that situation.
Will is part of the audience in that situation.
It doesn't matter.
Like, let's just say President Obama goes to a game or Trump goes to a game or you go to a UFC fight.
Yes, you're a powerful person.
But if you step in the octagon and slap someone in the face, dude, you can't do that.
That's basic protocol.
The same way as Connor cannot step out when Khabib stepped out and started chasing other people and fighting guys, you can't do that.
There's certain protocols that there's accountability.
The question isn't that.
The question is: okay, he's going to keep his, what do you call it?
He's going to keep his Oscar.
Fine.
He resigned.
He can't vote anymore.
Whatever the, you know, what do you call it?
Whatever things that he loses, right?
Okay.
So go and see other people who have been canceled.
And then how long did we get over it?
Our conversation last night on the drive to Miami was what?
America's a very, we forgive very quickly, except if you deal with kids and if you deal with certain things.
So Kevin Spacey, is Kevin going to come back anytime soon and shoot a movie?
You think he's going to do something and people are going to let that go?
It hasn't happened yet.
It's been a couple years.
I think he will.
Do you think America's okay if Kevin did a movie and then watch him?
Like House of Cards next one comes out.
Do you think people are going to watch it?
I do.
I think fans of great actors.
But you think people are over that?
You know, is it, you know, did he go to jail for it?
Are some people going to say, well, innocent until proven guilty?
No one's, you know, he's been accused, but he's not gone to court yet.
So how long will it take?
The real question is, how long before people forgive him to come back and perform?
I think it depends on how much talent you have a lot of times, too.
Will's got a lot of talent.
Kevin may be one of the best actors that we have.
You know, how about Ron Artest, right?
Isn't this kind of a similar situation where they're throwing beer at him and they go into the stance?
He at least was punished for a little while.
He couldn't play in the NBA.
That's all I'm saying about Will Smith.
We don't have to cancel him, but hopefully he can learn from this.
And there's some sort of punishment that comes from this.
By the way, why does Chris Farley decide, or I mean, Chris Rock decide if presses or charges are going to be pressed?
Isn't that usually?
I know this happens a lot, but you would think the police see a crime in their mind being committed.
They just arrest somebody.
It seems strange when you have to go to the victim and say, do you want to press charges?
Also, yeah, I agree.
I mean, it should be the cops probably do that.
I mean, that's what happens in domestic batteries.
I think that no matter if the wife sometimes says, no, don't, don't touch him.
I think the cops still arrest the guy.
But I think that also this has to do with these sexual crimes.
You know, like if you look at the three guys that are banned from the Oscars, Harvey Weinstein and Roman Polanski, and then who's the third guy?
I don't know.
Well, there's a guy that needs to Giffin, but he's not yet.
Right, but they're all sexual crimes.
Yeah, I think so.
That's something to do.
I don't think we forgive the sexual stuff.
I don't think we do.
No, I don't think Harvey's ever going to be forgiven.
That's why I'm saying Kevin is in the middle of maybe never being forgiven.
Some people would say never, but will what he did, you know, how long?
Six months?
12 months?
I think by the summer, by the summer, he'll be fine.
By the way, speaking of sexual crimes, you see who's getting a lot of heat right now as Jim Carrey.
You've seen what happened with him?
On CBS?
No, he came out and he basically was like, if I was Chris Rock, $200 million, and basically defending Chris Rock, defending comedy.
And someone goes, oh, you know the beautiful thing about the internet, Jim Carrey?
The shit doesn't go away.
So fast forward or reverse to a clip of him when, I mean, after your brother passed away, arguably Jim Carrey took the mantle of the most outlandish, over-the-top comedian.
I mean, fair point.
He wins the award.
I think it was Comedian of the Year, whatever it was, MTV Award.
And the presenter of the award was none other than clueless star Alicia Silverstone.
Oh, yeah.
Silverstein.
He wins the award, and please give it up for Jim Carrey.
Comes on stage, grabs her, two hands in the face, boom, lays a huge kiss right on her face and holds, right?
Yeah.
Good five-second kiss.
She's shocked.
Yeah.
The whole crowd is in an uproar.
Keep in mind, he is the performer of performers of that time.
This is probably 2000-ish.
I don't know if you want to pull this up.
But now basically, you know, people are like, oh, Jim Carrey, you have an opinion?
Well, let's research.
Roll the clip.
Boom.
And now he's kind of catching backlash.
Campo.
So it's almost like if you speak out and have an opinion, they're going to double back to something you did 20 years ago.
Sure.
And they're going to try to cancel you now, Jim Carrey.
So it's a very thin line that you have to balance right now.
It is.
Yeah, it is.
What does that tell you, though?
What does that tell you?
That tells you, you know, before you're going to judge, just kick back a little bit.
And, you know, if you've walked on water, go ahead and judge all you want.
If you haven't, you know.
So again, I think America is very forgiving.
I think America moves on from certain things.
This being one of them, it's just a matter of how long.
I don't know if it's going to be a six-month, 12-month, 24 months.
Bill Maher said the following.
Bill Maher said, criticizing for telling Jada Pinkett Smith to put a wig on it, right?
After the Oscar slap.
He says, I mean, alopecia, it's not leukemia, okay?
Alopecia is when your hair falls out.
There are worse things.
He returned to the subject later in the show stating, if you are so lucky in life as to have that be your medical problem, just say, thank God.
It's not life-threatening.
It's part of for most people, 80% of men, 50% of women.
It's part of aging.
Maher continued.
Aging is, trust me, I know.
It's the degeneration of the flesh.
It happens to all of us.
And, you know, just put an effing wig on like everybody else at the Oscars if it bothers you so much.
The TV host has been heavily criticized for his comments, which have branded hateful, okay, what Bill Maher says.
He knew he was going to get heat when he wrote the lines, when he knew he was going to say those.
Those are going to attract heat, but he doesn't care.
I don't think.
No, he doesn't care.
I think this speaks to a lot of, you know, when they have an open marriage, I guess.
And so they made a joke earlier in the show about them having an open marriage and that kind of thing.
So, you know, I don't know.
It's one of those things where, and she went on, you know, I think they're under a lot of stress that they seem to be under Jada and Will.
I hope maybe he gets some help.
I think he is getting some help, isn't he?
Or anything?
Or I don't know if he is.
They said it's healing season is what Jada put out.
It's healing season, which I don't know what Jimmy said.
He thinks that they should get a divorce.
I'm convinced they should get a divorce.
I'm convinced.
Don't be surprised if in the next six, 12, 24 months, you get a tweet or an Instagram post from both of them saying, we have decided to go our own separate ways.
After being together for 25 years, we love each other, pa, But here's what we're doing.
This is the love of my life.
But, you know, we've whatever.
You'll see something like a Bezos script coming out.
Kevin, let me ask you while we're on this topic.
And Tom lives in L.A., and Pat's from there, so he probably has a strong opinion.
You moved out of L.A. five years ago.
Yeah.
But, I mean, you're Farley.
You're a Farley.
You've got En-ROADS with Hollywood.
You know all the Hollywood stars.
Yeah.
You know, we're talking about the Oscars, the night of the year for Hollywood.
I guess what's your take on the wokeness in Hollywood?
I don't want you to get canceled here, Kevin.
What's your take on just what's happening and how left they've gone and how you can't have to worry about what you're saying?
And I mean, you got the hell out of there, not for political reasons.
I don't know, but just your take on Hollywood these days.
I know that I wasn't, you know, I'm not crushing in Hollywood.
I don't have anything going on.
You're not competing with Brad Pitt for the role of Troy anymore.
I'll get my, you know, my Hawaii 5.0s every once in a while.
Or, you know, I'll do an episode, you know, once in a while.
Yeah, Curb, you know, those guys were great.
You know, but no, I'm not, you know, so I decided, let's do some stand-up.
I focus on my stand-up and let's, you know, I get the role whenever I can get the role.
Yeah, it got to be weird with a lot of their politics in Hollywood.
You know, it just got to be a little scary.
You know, with this cancel thing going on, if you, and it's such a like, if you think even a little differently, you know, then you're not in the club.
And it is a club.
I mean, Hollywood is very much of a country club.
And who's running the club?
Is it the billionaires?
Is it the studios?
Is it the producers?
Is it the people, the studios, the people with all the money?
It's falling apart, though.
The money in the control.
And it is a club that you are either in or you're not.
I mean, it's like a country club.
I mean, we don't want this guy in.
I mean, do we want this guy in?
We don't want this guy in.
And it's kind of behavior.
It's like high school.
It's very much gossipy.
There's a lot of gossip.
You know, I don't know.
Gossip is so corrosive.
And I don't like to, even when I feel like gossiping, I don't like to gossip about things.
And that's the whole town is a gossip mill.
And so that's a corrosive thing on your soul.
So that's why people go, oh, God, this town is so gross.
You know, because everybody's just talking about it, everybody.
What's your take on that, Zenner?
You live there.
Yeah, Hollywood.
Pat, you made a little comment there, but Hollywood just feels different.
LA feels different.
It's not as glamorous.
I think the glamour is gone.
I mean, that's the sad thing for me.
You drive down Sunset Boulevard or you drive through Beverly Hills.
It's still great.
Believe me, it's not that bad.
I mean, now that the pandemic is pretty much over, restaurants are full.
There is a buzz.
There's an energy.
But if everybody remembers kind of that first time they go to California and how they feel, the ocean's still beautiful.
There's still a lot of great places to go, but just that spirit in the air just doesn't feel as great.
And to me, the glamour part of it, it seems like Hollywood is okay not being glamorous anymore.
And I don't know why.
And I miss that.
And I think the rest of the world, the rest of America looks for Hollywood for that.
It's a release.
And they're so obsessed about bringing up all these things that people already have to deal with in their life.
And they're getting bombarded with it every single way they turn.
And Hollywood should be something else, a diversion.
And they've gotten away from that.
And it's unfortunate.
Plus, the whole business is changing.
Streamers are taking over.
We saw that during the Oscars.
Now, that's good because there's so many more places to make content.
And if you've got product and if you have something you want to pitch, you've got 15 to 100 places you can take it.
If you're an actor, you can stay busy.
So it's still great.
The world needs the content that Hollywood produces, but it's unfortunate.
You know, I've just told myself until the whole, until shit hits the fan, I'm totally still good with LA.
And we're lucky for where we live, right?
So it's a great place to bring up kids, you know, near the water in a very safe community.
So we're blessed and we're lucky with that.
But, and I, and I love L.A.
I really do.
And I'm involved in it.
And I'm out in it every single day.
And I, part of me, sad because I grew up in a small town in Minnesota.
I'm from the Midwest too, Kevin.
And I wanted to get to California.
I wanted to get to LA.
And Pat, I'm sure you, growing up in Iran, there was this magical force about Hollywood.
I'm working on a new project right now.
I'll be able to share some stuff later in a couple months with someone, a very, very high-profile person who also grew up in Iran and came to America and made a big name for himself.
But it was all because of Hollywood.
He wanted to get there.
Beverly Hills, California and Hollywood.
So I am an eternal optimist.
I always assume the best is going to come and I'm never going to let it bring me down.
I'm just a little bit sad that it wasn't what it was 25 years ago.
You know what wins?
You know what wins?
You know what I trust.
Let me tell you what I trust.
I trust capitalism.
Yeah.
Let me explain to you what I mean by I trust capitalism.
Here's how I trust capitalism.
People call Ardena White.
Well, you know, let me tell you UFC this, this, this, is that.
What does Dana White say?
Why don't you go compete?
Go do it.
Start your own UFC.
You can do it.
Nobody holds you back.
I don't like Joe Rogan's podcast.
He's wrong.
Bro, go start your own podcast and you share your thoughts.
I don't like the fact that you talk about capitalism.
Dude, why don't you go start your own show and you talk about anti-capitalism and see if there's an argument?
I don't like the fact that this, so watch what happened.
Elon Musk buys 9.2%.
And everybody was like, oh, it's just a passive, passive, passive position, right?
And I said it's not passive.
A guy like that's never going to do passive.
You know what news just came out an hour ago?
Elon Musk joins Twitter's board of directors.
Sure.
Teases significant improvements.
Did you see what Elon tweeted yesterday?
Did you see what Elon tweeted yesterday?
Go to Elon's tweet yesterday.
Yeah, the poll.
Go to Elon's tweet yesterday and look what Elon tweeted.
This is why you trust capitalism and those who work in government don't like capitalists.
Right.
Because capitalists know how to fight.
Okay, so watch this.
Click on that.
Do you want an edit button on Twitter?
You know what an edit button is?
You know how you got it on Instagram?
You got it on Facebook.
You got it everywhere.
You see what he did on the poll, by the way?
What's that?
You see how he spelled yes?
That's funny.
Yeah.
So anyways, he puts, do you want an edit button?
What does this mean to you?
He's already insinuating we're going to improve Twitter.
What does that edit button mean to you?
Use Twitter a lot.
Yeah, but who cares?
The whole premise behind it is, I'm here to improve and change things with Twitter.
That's all he's saying.
So in Hollywood, go to Hollywood.
So, you know, people are like part of the, oh, you cannot be on the inside and all this stuff.
Well, this happened in high school.
The guys that were the football cool guys that you can't be on the inside.
Fast forward 10 years later, the guy that you didn't allow to get into the inside is now running a company called Facebook.
And who are you now?
You're still a waiter at that one place?
Well, Zuck won, just so you know.
So capitalism wins whoever is willing to improve and take things.
And the moment you, this is the biggest thing about capitalism that sucks.
So I was watching Batman this weekend.
My kids are into this whole Batman thing.
I watched the last Batman, couldn't stand it, but the kids started wanting to watch Batman Begins.
And I said, okay, fine.
So we're on the third Batman, which is the Dark Knight Rises.
You know, that whole Dark Knight Rises.
And there's a scene, which is incredible.
The scene is when he's in the cave.
You know, the cave when he's trying to come out.
I don't know if you, can you pull up Dark Knight Rises, put the cave, and he's talking to this blind man?
Have you seen when he's talking to this blind man?
This scene, folks, this scene is a dark night rises.
It's going to give you the chills here.
So a blind man, I'm going to read to you what he says.
Okay.
So he's in there.
He's trying to climb out of this cliff, this, what do you call it, this cave.
He can't get out.
Okay.
Every time he tries to get out, he can't get out.
He comes up, he jumps up, he falls down.
He comes up, he jumps up, he falls down, right?
This whole thing.
Then one of the guys, when he falls down, one of the men says, why do you keep trying?
You're not going to make it.
He says, what do you mean I'm not going to make it?
He says, you're not going to make it.
He says, but the child made it.
He says, yeah, but you're not the child.
He says, why not?
He says, because the child didn't live a life of luxuries.
You did.
The child didn't grow up with everything.
You did.
The child had nothing to lose.
You did.
And he goes and he says, but I'm going to make it.
So he comes up, started doing abs and push-ups and all this stuff.
He goes again, there's a jump you got to make.
He doesn't make it.
He falls down.
Then he drops and he sees this blind man.
Type in blind man that he's talking to.
This blind man, put blind man.
Yeah.
So then he sees this blind man.
Click on that right there, the one at the top.
No, no, top left, top left, top left.
You had it.
Top left.
Right there.
Go.
Yeah, right there.
But not, yeah, put that scene right there.
So he's talking to this man.
And look what the man says.
Here's a script.
I'll read it to you.
He says to him, he says, you do not fear death.
You think this makes you strong, but it makes you weak.
He says, what do you mean?
He says, how can you move faster than possible, fight longer than possible without the most powerful impulse of the spirit, the fear of death?
You don't fear death because you know when you're like, I don't fear death, I don't fear anything.
Bruce Wayne says, I do fear death.
I fear dying in here while my city burns and there's no one to save it.
Then the blind man says, then make the climb.
He says, how?
He says, as the child did, without the rope.
Then fear will find you again.
And he makes this climb and he jumps.
He says, I'm not using the rope.
He jumps, he makes it.
He goes all the way out, then throws a rope and all the people that are in prison come out.
What's the moral of the story?
The people in Hollywood have had a rope.
They've lived a life of luxuries.
And there's always going to be the entrepreneur that has nothing to lose, the guy that's sitting there saying, I don't have the luxury of a rope.
I don't have the luxury of a giffen or this producer or that guy that's got my back.
I'm going to figure this thing out.
And then what do you produce?
You produce a Netflix.
Then when you produce a Netflix who Blockbuster didn't want to buy for $50 million, what does Netflix do?
Every big Hollywood producer goes to sleep fearing Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, all of these guys.
The game in Hollywood has completely changed.
A guy like me can say, Kevin, why don't we make a movie?
How much of a budget do we need?
He says $2 million.
We make a movie.
We go out there and put it out there independently, not needing these big guys.
And that thing can do $200 million.
That's right.
Elon Musk can go by a Twitter and say, I'm sorry, guys.
You guys are bullying and silencing and censorship.
No problem.
I'm going to buy your company.
That's why you got to trust capitalism.
And that's why I think Hollywood's not in the same place because they can't play those power plays they once could play due to capitalism.
That's true.
And that is always going to be true.
I mean, if you look at like Atlanta started the studios of Atlanta, Vancouver, and all these places, you know, if you open up the tax base, you can get a lot of studios and make a Hollywood in Atlanta.
You know, this is capitalism.
This is why this country is the best country on the planet because we allow that stuff.
And yeah, Twitter, obviously, is going to change overnight by a guy who's a billionaire and he wants to change it.
Okay.
Well, he's going to change it.
And that's what happens.
And that is the beauty of being in this country.
And obviously the trajectory of all companies, they get fat and people get fat and they start making mistakes.
You know, here's one thing to watch.
I make this prediction and it's going to happen.
Guarantee.
Because you've never been wrong, Tom.
Guarantee.
No, but watch the headlines, the headlines on Elon Musk going forward.
Everything's going to be negative.
They are going to be ripping him in mainstream media.
They're going to find flaws in him.
I saw one the other day.
Here is the headline.
Elon Musk wants to kill baby seals or something.
Sure, they'll go.
I saw it on Insider.
I mean, so now that he's on the inside and he's going to be on the board of directors with Twitter, they're going to go after him personally.
You're going to see a ton of negativity.
What do you think?
Do you think there's a possibility?
You know, he gets comfortable in the board of directors here in the next few months, maybe buys more stock because he's not done, right?
He's going to buy more.
How does he handle Trump?
Is he going to say it's okay for him to come back?
That's a question.
That's going to come up at some point.
It's going to be unbelievable.
Who makes those decisions, though?
Does the board make those decision, Pat?
Who's going to end up making that decision?
Yeah, I think so.
So that's the part where Dorsey is getting a little bit more credit now to say, I'm not the one.
It's a board that votes these types of things.
So nobody knows where Dorsey's vote was.
Some of the people on the inside obviously know.
And then he finally said, yeah, I also voted for it.
That we got to get him out, right?
Elon can get in there and say, no, yeah, we may want to change it.
But remember, he's only got one seat.
He's only got one seat.
He doesn't have the majority.
Elon's only got one seat.
So he can get in there and try to persuade and say things, but they can still say no.
And gradually what Elon can do is one by one by one, by another 3% here, by another 2% here, by another 5% here, by another 8% here.
And then all of a sudden, boom.
This has happened many, many times.
Yeah, we've seen one move of his five.
I mean, he's five steps down the road on this thing.
How does it work with the board?
How many members?
I don't know if we can find out how many board members.
It's always an odd number.
It's always an odd number.
So, you know, protect the voting.
So here you go.
How many board members do they have?
One, two, three, four, five, six, seven.
Keep going.
Eight, nine, ten, eleven.
A company this size is going to be 11.
Okay, yeah, nine or eleven.
They'll have 11 of them.
Okay.
And how do you become a board member for a company like this or just invited to generally?
No, it depends on what percentage you own.
Okay.
And if you buy in, part of the arrangement could be that you get onto the board seat.
But when you are the largest shareholder now of Twitter tied with Morgan Stanley, Dean Witter and your name is Elon Musk.
The guys that are in the board right now want you to be also a board member because they don't want you to do anything reckless that's going to hurt.
So now we want you in there as well.
It's almost like a mutual thing where they want both to be in there.
But again, I highly doubt what Tom just said right there.
I think this is one of his next five, 10, 15 moves.
You know, here's the other thing too: is a lot of these people are going to be opposed to Elon Musk, just in general.
They're not going to like him maybe politically or on some level.
But Elon just made everybody on that list a lot of money yesterday.
Did you see the volume of trading?
26%?
Well, that's how hot, that's how, that was the jump in the stock.
There was like 212 million shares sold, and the volume was 212 million as opposed to like 1.5 million on Friday.
So if the stock goes up 25%, he made everybody on that board a lot richer.
So how can you hate him that much?
So he's going to have a lot more power once he starts buying more, more stock in what?
He owns 9.2% right now.
And that's just, and it's just Tuesday, right?
And they know one tweet is going to get them.
So last night we're having dinner.
Okay.
One of the guys owns one of the four most expensive cards in the world, right?
Remember, the guy owned the Hannes Wagner TT06 SGC5 is what it was.
It's a $25 million card, right?
The guy who eats at all the best restaurants.
The guy that he's at the best restaurants.
Then another guy owned a couple 52 tops, Mickey Mano, which is like a $5 million card.
They're selling the $10 million Spider-Man issue number one.
I think it was graded $8.5 million, which is pretty insane.
There's only two nines in the world.
They're selling that for $10 million.
So when you get into the card community and you own a card that you also own and you also own, everybody here wants that card to be valued more, right?
So for example, one card is a Mickey Mantle PSA 10.
You know, it's sold for $11 million in 2017, right?
You know what they're saying?
It's valued right now.
The cheapest one you can buy right now, they're saying, speculating, obviously, that's what they're all saying.
$30 million if you want to go on that card today.
A Mickey Mantle 52 tops, right?
$30 million.
Wow.
So if others do own shares in Tesla and you got a guy like Elon that can quadruple the valuation of the company, I think the Morgan Stanleys and these other guys in the world may say, you know what?
Maybe it's a little bit more than politics.
Yeah, if you're going to increase our valuation here, Elon, go at it.
We'll let you kind of.
You know, since I haven't been here in four months, I got to maximize my time.
I'm going to make one more prediction.
And I feel very, very strong about this one.
I think Elon Musk is going to segue himself out of Tesla.
Join the Milwaukee Bucks with Giannis.
As a free throw coach.
No, he's going to work his way out of Tesla within the next year, somehow, some way.
I think part of this is he's going to have more fun doing it.
He's going to be more influential.
I think he's going to be very, very active with Twitter.
And I just don't think he's having fun with Tesla.
And I think he's going to find a way to exit, if it's at all possible.
If a guy that big and that prominent in a company can find a way out, I think he will be gone from Tesla in a year.
I think we need a new show.
Tom Zenner doubles as Miss Cleo, and we just have all his predictions, and we see what comes right and comes wrong.
You do love making predictions.
Whether they're right or wrong, they're wrong.
No, he couldn't.
He loves predictions.
To come to you, Kevin.
So, Kevin, you got an interesting dynamic yourself.
You, in 2008 or 2009, I think you were at the RNC convention or something like that.
Well, but then you also golf with Bill Clinton.
So it's like.
Yeah, yeah.
I don't know.
Like I said, during that time, I was friends with David Zucker.
I don't know if you know who David Zucker is.
He did airplane.
Is he from Wisconsin?
Yes.
I know so many people from Wisconsin that talk about David Zucker.
And David is a huge PAC fan.
I'm a huge PAC fan.
And so David and I became friends and he wanted to do a movie about Michael Moore, which is like the movie I did called American Carol, which I played Michael Moore, and it was a spoof about how Michael Moore wanted to take away 4th of July.
And so, I mean, it was, I've always wanted to work with David Zucker because I love airplane and I love Naked Gun series and all those kind of things.
So I was just, yeah, I would say yes.
I say, yeah, I'll work with you for sure.
But it was pretty much of a, you know, it had a good cast.
It had Dennis Hopper, Kelsey Grammar, you know, David Allen Greer.
Dave Allen Greer and Leslie Nielsen.
John Voigt.
John Voigt.
Maybe that's some of your political inclinations.
John.
You hang around with John Voigt long enough.
Next thing you know, you end up at the RNC convention.
That's why.
Exactly.
I think he wanted us all to go there.
I'm not going to say no to John Voigt.
So he's like, yeah, we're all going to the RNC convention.
I'm like, well, I'm going to be kind of labeled as a Republican.
He goes, you're going to the RNC convention.
Oh, okay, okay.
So I went and just paled.
I'd never been to a convention before.
And so it was a trip to see.
It was kind of wild to see that political environment.
I'd never been to a convention.
I would encourage anyone to go to a political convention.
It's really kind of wild.
Have you ever spoken on the floor of Congress or anything like that?
No, my brother Chris did.
New perfect segue.
We got to show that.
I don't know if we could show it.
Oh, when he was out playing Newt Gingrich.
Oh, wow.
He was playing Newt Gingrich.
Yeah.
He played Newt Gingrich.
It's on C-SPAN.
We can watch it.
C-SPAN is fine.
Yeah, I know.
I think Newt Gingrich.
So set up the story, if you would, Kevin.
He gets invited.
He said that he did it on SNL, and I think he got invited to do that, I think, for it might have been something to do with his birthday.
I don't know, Newt's birthday or something.
I don't know.
I'm not sure.
Maybe not.
By the way, Newt's sitting right there.
No, he liked it.
Different era, man.
The house had funny.
He had a sense of humor back then, right?
Yeah, exactly.
We're a little more.
It would never happen right now.
It wouldn't.
People would walk out.
They were offended.
They would.
Yeah.
I mean, this couldn't happen right now.
No, it couldn't.
We're too political.
Yeah.
We can watch it later.
It's an eight-minute clip.
But we're too political now.
Back then, you could, you know, go have dinner with, you know.
And did Chris care about politics?
Not a lot.
Not even the least.
My dad was a Republican, so I think that's, you know, but that's all he put thought into it.
He didn't really think too much about it.
I think he was more passionate about his comedy than he was about politics or anything.
Well, I can see that because anything that would, because Chris was so much about pleasing the audience, that's the feeling at least I get.
I may be wrong, that he looked like he was a guy that was going to give his best and his performance was going to be solid.
I can't see him getting too political.
Do you think SNL these days has gotten too political?
I mean, everything they're doing with, they did with Trump, and now they get the guy who does Trump.
He also does Biden, but clearly SNL has sprinted left.
Wow.
You're making fun of Janine Pirro and Marsha Blackburn on the regular.
I think Lauren Michael, that show has been on the air for I don't know how long.
I think it's almost 50 years.
Okay, so just the fact that it's been on that long is literally a wonder of the world.
So to survive in the political, I mean, on television for that long, you have to do, and Lauren knows this instinctively, Lauren Michaels.
He knows we have to survive.
So he's like, what works?
You know, it's throwing stuff against the wall.
Politics works for us.
That's a good point.
So the ratings are going up.
It's capitalism.
And the ratings are going up.
And so he's going to stick with what's going.
They've always been echo chambers.
If you've got a pitch that's working, if your curveball is working, you're going to keep it.
I think your brother played Tippo Needle, I want to say, at one point.
Yeah, he played a lot of them.
He also played a guy named Howell Heflin or something, Senator Heflin back in the day at a giant chin.
And he was like, he was on the Clarence Thomas, and it was a hysterical.
What are your thoughts on Lauren Michaels in general?
Do you have time to spend with him at all?
I've talked to Lauren, yeah, a lot of different times.
He's the king.
I mean, he rules it over there.
So, you know, I kind of like intimidate.
He's an intimidating guy.
So I just say hello, sir.
Nice to say that.
I enjoyed the quote about what he said about your brother, though.
He says, because he's got this very distinct, like, I don't know, just very straightforward voice.
He's like, he's in a category of people that he's worked that are infuriatingly talented.
Right.
That's how he described your brother.
Right.
Basically saying that you just have to recognize and dive straight into it.
Right.
I mean, it got to the point where they would put it, if you had a sketch on SNL and it was kind of reaching the point where you're like, I don't know what we're going to do with this.
This is kind of a dud.
He would find a way to make that sketch good.
Fall down or something.
That's all it takes.
Your brother, you're saying?
He had an instinct where he'd be like, I know how to make this funny.
Yeah.
So that's where Lauren was like, we had a thousand sketches and Chris would come up with a solution to like all of them.
He was a genius that way.
But just find out what's going to be funny.
Do you have some favorite sketches that come to mind that Chris did?
Oh, geez.
I think I always liked.
I put some in the documentary, that one where he's a talent scout or something like that.
That, to me, is just hilarious.
Like, no, no, no.
He's just big on everything.
This is hilarious.
I think that was one of my favorite.
He was like a talent agent.
He was really flamboyant.
The most famous one is the Chippendales one.
Well, yeah, that's one.
Where him and Patrick Swayze.
Yeah, that was one of the Lunch Lady.
Which one is that?
The Lunch Lady with Adam Speaker.
The Lunch Lady with Adam.
Yeah, that was a big.
Wasn't it at the Gap Store?
Him and Spade.
Lay off me.
I'm starving.
Yeah.
He had like five of the top, I think they made a list of them.
He had like two or three in the top 20 sketches.
He really did well on that track.
Pat started it off with this, but how did he come up with the Matt Foley motivational speaker?
Living a van down by the river.
That was a bit actually written by Bob Odenkirk.
In fact, Bob just wrote a book about it.
Wow.
And he said that back in Second City, when we were in Chicago, that's where we all trained.
And there was a stage thing that Bob wrote, and he was writing it, I think, for himself, but he didn't want to do it.
So he gave it to Chris to play the motivational speaker.
So they did that first in Chicago at Second City, yeah.
And then they brought it up to Saturday Night Live.
Are you following what's going on with Disney?
You following like the whole thing going back and forth.
I'm going to read this to you guys because there's a new story that came out on the direction these guys want to take it.
So Disney shareholders tell CEO to stop wasting money on political crusades.
Okay.
A Disney shareholder is speaking out against the company's involvement in Florida politically, politics by actively opposing the Republican-led parental right in education bill championed by Republican Governor DeSantis.
Ray Keating, an economist and editor of Disney Business Journal, said when companies dive into politics, it rarely turns out well.
Here's a suggestion for Disney stock, Bob Schappek.
Get back to business that is excellence and storytelling and stop wasting shareholders' money on political crusades that have nothing to do with Disney's business.
We all have the right to have our voices heard on issues, but not on the shareholders' dime, Keating said.
Interesting.
Yeah, very pretty powerful statement.
What do you think about what Keating says?
You know, you're used to strength coming from Disney for what, so long, you know, what, 40-something years?
They had two CEOs, right?
And including one of the greatest, just Bob Iger, who just retired.
I think Shapek is coming across as very weak in this whole situation.
When you want to come across as strong, he's only been in there for a little bit over a year.
You know, it always befuddles me because why a company would want to be so politically active.
I just don't get it.
I keep saying to myself, there are other people who have different political beliefs that like to go to Disneyland and like to go to Disney World.
And what happens when they do start boycotting or not downloading the app anymore, right?
Because it's all about streaming for Disney.
And Chapec comes from the parks business.
And I think that's where you could see the biggest drop when you come back and you realize the prices that are involved in going to Disneyland or Disney World for the day.
And then to think that, okay, am I really, if I think differently than how they project their beliefs, am I going to be welcome there?
Am I going to have a good time?
So is it worth it to invest a full day in it?
I just think the numbers are going to come back.
I think this board member nailed it.
I think he's speaking for a lot of people.
And it's not just Disney.
I think there's a lot of companies that are going to be having these same conversations because once the minor, or the probably the quiet majority starts speaking a little bit more, they're going to get attention of these CEOs and the board of directors because how long can you take it?
You just cannot continue to take it like this.
So Shappick, when he came out, I didn't do enough for you.
I just thought that was weak talk from a CEO, didn't you?
I mean, the memo that he sent out to his employees, it seemed like the only thing he cared about was his employees' feelings.
And maybe I'm old school, but when you work for a company, I think there should be part of you that is appreciative for the job.
You do your best and you don't have to let everybody know all day long how you stand politically.
So I judged him by what he released in that statement, and I think he's going to have a challenge.
I really do.
I also think Disney's in a very tough position because if there's one company that is kind of in the middle of all the drama that's happening in the United States right now, it's Disney.
Think about it.
I mean, how many of their employees are LGBTQ?
They had just had a major walkout, right?
You're there supposed to be entertaining families.
Yeah, VSPN.
Right.
All that.
You know, that's in addition to.
You have amusement parks.
So you're dealing with masks, no masks.
Pat did a whole segment about the difference between Disneyland in LA versus Disney World here in Florida, in Orlando.
You're dealing with kids, so you're dealing with, especially with LGBT, the don't say gay bill, all of that.
Critical race theory being taught in school.
Just it's sort of like a bellwether of what's going on in society.
And now you have the Daily Wire, what is that, Ben Shapiro's organization that's coming out and they basically said they're going to pump in, I don't know how much, millions of dollars to creating more conservative type content.
So Disney's in a very tough place.
Like whatever direction they're going to go, they're going to piss somebody off.
And if there's a company that doesn't want to piss people off, it's a company that stands for family values and entertainment.
And there's just a slippery slope.
And to Tom Zenner's point, just get back to business.
Have you ever read any biography on Walt Disney, which I've read a few of them?
What a man.
What a great guy.
He had his faults, obviously, but when he started that company, it was pretty simple.
Like, he is, you know, it was a simple thing.
You know, he wanted it.
He wanted to entertain families.
The most magical place on earth.
Yeah, and it was pretty simple.
I mean, now they're being pretty complicated.
Yeah.
It's a giant.
Now, obviously, this is a trajectory of maybe of what companies and corporations do.
Obviously, you always want growth.
You always want more money.
And that kind of maybe that's the reason why these companies, Twitter and everything else you see, and like capitalism, some drop-off is going to happen, and then there'll be another version of it or something like that.
But there's always this trajectory of like, and I see Disney going that way too.
It's like, this is what Walt would, what would Walt say?
I always say, what would he say?
You know, he was a savvy dude, though.
There's a story that came out.
I saw it a couple of weeks ago, or maybe over the weekend, but watch this one.
What's going on in Orlando?
So when they built Disney World, Walt Disney lobbied the government in Florida to basically circumvent the county, Orange County, and be able to build as much as they want.
When they want to build a glass tower that's 25 stories tall, they don't need county approval, right?
So I think they pay for their own management of the streets, waste management, all this thing.
So it's almost like their own ecosystem.
But Republicans in Florida are starting to look at that and say, you have one hell of a tax break here.
You have an incredible advantage that we're going to examine right now that has flown under the radar screen for about 50 years.
And there are going to be ways politically for a little payback here.
It's ironic that the Republicans of Florida want to regulate Disney.
I don't know.
Well, let me say this part to you.
So this is what makes me think, and I'm going to push back with you guys and see what angle you take with this.
I'm actually curious to know how you process this.
We talked about Nike when Nike decided to side with Kaepernick after the whole thing with kneeling.
And I was like, oh, oh, my God, Nike stock's going to drop.
Nike stock's going to drop.
They're going to both.
This is horrible.
I will never buy another Nike.
Boom.
They made $4 billion like the next two to four weeks, whatever it was.
They embraced Kaiknicks.
And they're sitting there like, oh, no, this is what we're doing.
No, we don't care if you're going to be offended or not.
We think we're doing the right thing.
Disney's doing this here.
And I was like, oh, my gosh, I will never watch another cartoon again with Disney and all this other stuff.
Okay.
We're about to find out if this boycotting stuff is real or if this boycotting stuff is fake.
The one part that I think is different, the one part, because I hear this argument from both sides that I think Disney's doing the right thing from the left is the one thing that I will say is how different this is than others is the following.
Is we saw what happened in Georgia.
Was it Georgia or Virginia?
We saw what happened in Virginia.
We saw that Terry McCullough.
Where the main topic that parents united on both sides of the aisle politically, where one side's like, listen, I'm pro-choice.
Okay, well, I'm pro-life.
Okay.
I'm about entitlement programs.
I'm not.
I'm about minimizing it.
Okay.
I'm about, we're spending too much money military.
Well, we need more military to be safe.
Okay.
But don't mess with my kids.
Yeah, me too.
Don't mess with my kids.
Oh, so we have that in common?
Yeah.
All right, let's unite.
And then, boom, election showed and what happened.
So the difference, I think, how Disney's going to be going up against Nike is this is kids.
And if they think for a second, that's going to be okay with parents, I think they're going to be.
I'll point out one other thing, too.
You know, I think Nike was defending one of their stars, which is different than defending, you know, an employee that works at a desk or at a cubicle, which is what Disney's doing.
The other thing is Disney's political beliefs come through in their product, right?
So it's not like Nike was only making left shoes, right?
I mean, you still love Nike, right?
But with Disney, it's coming through in their movies and in their product.
And it's coming through on ESPN.
The other thing is there's a hell of a lot more competition for Disney than there is for Nike.
And Disney's trying to become the number one streamer in the world.
And they have a fight with Netflix and maybe with Amazon.
And so I think there's less margin for error for Disney.
I think it can hurt them more down the road because they have more competition and it's constantly be throwing in people's face is how they feel politically.
Right.
When you sit there and you talk to your everyday person, they're going to show you pictures of their kids.
What do people care about?
What do they really care about?
I mean, the average person, you know, here's my kid doing this.
Here's my kid doing this.
They care about their kids.
You want to see the average Joe get fired up and want to kill something?
Mess with their kid.
Right.
So that's where I think you're right, where it's going to be like, this is a little different.
It's a little different when you're talking about someone because you want to see a general populace get angry.
Well, what's the thing that we covered last podcast or last week with Jank?
I believe that they're going to stop referring to kids as boys and girls and now dreamers and wishers or something like that.
Yeah.
So when what percentage of society doesn't want to be identified as, hey, good morning, boys and girls, ladies and gentlemen?
Nobody has an issue with that.
But now you're canceling the word boys and girls.
That's where you get people with common sense being like, hold on.
I was with you guys.
Yeah.
But yeah, what's going on here?
I'm out.
You know, Kevin said earlier that the nation is lacking religion, and it's not.
You're just seeing, instead of God, they're filling it with politics.
And this is becoming a form of religion.
Hollywood, the politics, the intersectional stuff, the vaccines, the climate change, it's all becoming a form of religion.
If you don't follow the orthodoxy, whether or not it makes sense, whether or not it's truthful, whether or not it's backed by science, if you don't follow the orthodoxy, you are a heathen of sorts and you get cut out and cast out.
You're going to worship something.
Because the human beings, we worship things, you know, and so you're going to worship something.
If it's not God, it's going to be politics.
It's going to be woke politics.
It's going to be the moon and the stars.
Your own reason, your own reason.
You're going to worship something.
And so we're finding that it's shifting.
Now we're getting away from God.
We're going to other things, all kinds of different things.
And they're not good.
How about that Southwest flight?
So funny.
You want to tell that story?
Go ahead, Adam.
This is Adam's favorite story.
Yeah, where can I pull this thing up?
Literally.
Are we going to talk about this?
Yeah, well, we're going to do it right now.
Oh, my God.
You bring it out right now.
Punch it out.
So apparently, this Southwest flight passenger was very active during this flight.
Did you have this story in your back pocket that you could do?
I didn't.
I did, but I'll pull it out.
So apparently, a Southwest passenger arrested for masturbating not once, not twice, not thrice, but four times on a flight.
Where was the flight going to, Zen?
It was from Seattle to Phoenix.
Seattle to Phoenix.
First of all, who the hell is tracking the four times?
Yeah.
I want to know that guy that stood behind him and said one.
It's like a scoreboard right next to the exit.
Scroll down here and let's see if we can read this story out here.
So punch in on it.
So a man on a Southwest Airline flight.
Is this a joke or is this real?
This is a real story, unfortunately.
From Seattle to Phoenix is facing Seattle to Phoenix.
How long is that flight?
Two hours maybe?
It's probably three hours.
From Seattle to Phoenix?
He's facing federal charges of pulling down his pants and masturbating at least four times in front of a female passenger.
Oh, okay, I got it.
Shortly after takeoff, Antonio Sherrod McGarrity, that's his name.
He's an Irishman.
All right.
McGarrity.
McGarity.
Cut myself for Baby, McGarrity.
Adam got six quotes.
Okay.
Was arrested by officers at the Phoenix Police Department when Southwest Flight 3814 landed at Sky Harbor International.
However, McGarity told cops that he didn't do anything wrong.
And in fact, he was just thought it was kind of kinky.
Started early on the three-hour flight, three-hour flight.
When McGarrity commenced his indelicate behavior.
You know, there's a delicate in the story.
It says there's a point where he was doing it for one full hour.
One hour.
Do you realize it hurts?
Do you realize if your mask comes down below your nose for one second, they're all over you on a plane?
How did they not notice this and stop this guy?
I'm impressed with four times.
It's just.
Is this like a, like the, you like the story because it's like a source of inspiration?
Hey, you want to try this?
You know, go for it.
But I think it's a three-hour flight.
We're seeing it's resting.
We're seeing all these things happen on airplanes these days.
Well, first thing I'd like to see happen with airlines is to start flying and landing and taking off on time.
Nice.
Yeah, there's been a lot of delays lately.
All the people that are trying to fly in to get late.
Zenner has such lots of delays.
If you pull your mask down for 30 seconds, the entire plane swarms you.
And this guy's beating it for an hour.
Right.
That's the craziest thing.
You put your, take a sip of your ginger ale, you put it back down, and the steer's like, put your mask back over your nose.
Okay, I got to read this last part.
This is insane.
I mean, this guy should be arrested.
So McGarity, your Irish buddy.
Yeah, good guy.
Good guy.
Good guy.
Masturbated with his exposed penis in view of the female passenger on four separate occasions and pedestrian using both his left and right hands, you know, explaining.
Talent.
Talented.
She suspected that McGarity ejaculated because he licked a white substance from his fingers.
What is happening here right now?
Holy crap.
What is happening here?
Tyler, why did you want to dress this story?
Why did you want?
Tyler, this is all.
Why did you want to bring this story up?
I don't know.
I think Chris would have wanted it, Kevin.
My golly.
Can we take phone calls?
Yeah.
Get us off the story.
McGarrity.
If anybody calls in in regards to this story, drop them immediately.
Somebody brags about it.
McGarity.
Jesus.
So if you got some callers that have any questions or thoughts for Kevin, go ahead and let's take some calls.
Yes, we have Paul.
Paul, how you doing, Paul?
Paul.
Good morning.
Good morning.
How you doing?
How you guys doing?
Yeah, so Patrick, first things first, I just want to say thank you because you gave me high praise last week in highlighting my comment.
You said, I made a freaking great point, and I had to show my wife that I made good points.
Patrick said I made a freaking great point today.
But my question is for Kevin.
I met your brother back in 95, 96 in a restaurant in the city with my pants.
And when he walked in, the whole place got up and clapped.
Oh, wow.
And he sat down.
I was a kid.
And at that time, I met Lawrence Taylor, Dave Meggan, a bunch of celebrities.
But I was nervous going to talk to your brother.
And I didn't want to do it.
At the last minute, my dad gave me the elbow.
He says, go, go say hello.
I went up to him, a 16, 17-year-old kid.
And he was the one celebrity that looked me in the eyes and actually engaged with me and was an awesome guy.
But I have a question about him.
So Shel Sonnen talks about Conor McGregor and says the reason why he has problems outside of the ring is because he's too tied to his persona in the UFC.
And I'm just curious if that's what Chris had an issue with.
Was he too tied to the persona of comedy and that he didn't know when to let it go?
Did he have any hobbies or interests outside of it?
Or was he always just addicted to the laugh and making people or making people laugh?
Right.
That's probably something that's true with what happened.
I think, you know, celebrity is definitely not a, it's not a natural way to live.
I don't think there's a celebrity on that ever is unaffected by the being famous.
The nature of being famous is contradictory to the way I think human beings should live.
And it does have a psychological effect on you.
I don't think that's, I think that's pretty obvious.
So, yeah, unless you have a good grip on yourself, celebrity can really mess with you.
You know, being famous can really mess with you.
And I think that it happened fast for him.
And he was caught off guard by the whole thing.
Yeah, it feels like he felt his role was to always be the life of the party and make sure everybody was entertained no matter what it took.
And that's a lot of pressure.
If you're putting that on yourself, I mean, you feel that 24-7.
It'd be a tough way to go through life.
It was too much.
It was a weird world.
And I think celebrityism is, you know, Hollywood is a strange thing to do to people.
It's just, you know, the whole concept of taking a person and making them famous and that kind of thing.
It's strange.
And it's not healthy.
It's definitely not.
And if you don't have a good grip on yourself, it's...
Thank you, Paul.
Yeah.
Quick question for you regarding celebrity.
Arguably, Chris would have been just as big as Adam Sandler today.
I mean, talk about like, I think he's the number one guy ever to come out of SNL in terms of net worth, worth hundreds of millions of dollars.
Where do you think Chris would be today if he was still alive?
Well, he would have been Shrek.
I mean, he had done Shrek.
Did you guys know that?
Pat, did you know that?
He was the voice of Shrek.
He had recorded the whole first movie.
And then when he passed away, they thought, okay, we're going to do Shrek 234, right?
So then they had to bring in Mike Myers, but he was Shrek.
It would have been a totally different character.
It would have been a wholly different character.
So with Shrek, what else do you think he would have been?
You know, I don't know.
He was in the mix to do a really kind of a serious thing about Fanny Arbuckle when he died.
And so that would have been a good project for him.
And there would have been, there's a few other different things that would have been really good for him.
And I think he would have probably done some serious stuff because he was a good actor.
Like even some of the scenes in Tommy Boy when he's crying on the little boat.
Yeah.
With the girl.
He's a good actor.
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah.
So he would have done some serious stuff.
You know how like Jim Carrey went from, even Adam Sandler has gone from like, yeah, yeah, Billy Madison and the mask.
And then they've taken on more serious roles.
You think he would have gone from the funny burly guy to a little more stable seriously?
He would have done a great job of it.
I believe it.
He would have done a great job.
Do you take another caller?
Yeah, we have Dante.
Dante, how you doing?
Hey, how's it going, guys?
Kevin, big fan of your work on F is for Family.
Thanks.
But had a question for Adam.
A little bit earlier ago, you guys were talking about the Will Smith Chris Rock thing.
Adam, are you really justifying that somebody can slap another person and commit assault over hurt feelings and words?
Are you really okay with that?
I'm not okay with someone.
Who is that, by the way?
I'm not okay with someone slapping someone, but he didn't shoot someone.
He didn't beat the shit out of somebody.
My whole point is, does he deserve to be canceled?
Because a grown man slapped another man.
I don't think he should be canceled.
Should he be reprimanded?
And is the fallout justified?
Sure.
But he didn't beat the shit out of somebody.
He slapped a grown man.
Adam, you've been quoting this movie all morning.
That's assault, brother.
That's assault, brother.
That's true.
Dante, do you have a follow-up to that?
Well, yeah.
I mean, if I disagree with something that Adam says on the podcast and I walked into the studio and slapped him in the face, would he be okay with taking a slap?
His voice sounds very familiar.
I think Adam's feelings would get hurt and he'd be upset by that.
That's assault, brother.
Is it or no?
Is this a joke or is it Dante is real?
Dante, are you one of Adam's friends or you've never met Adam before?
I've never met Adam before.
Okay, where are you from, Dante?
He makes a good point.
That's the extra.
So, should Will Smith get arrested?
What do we say?
Like, what should have happened to Will Smith?
So, I guess the question would be, Dante, let me see if you're saying this.
Are you saying, like, so maybe you give us your idea?
What should be the repercussions for somebody like Will to walk up to Chris Rock on national television?
At this point, a few billion people have seen it worldwide.
What should be the repercussions for that?
Assault charges.
That's what should happen.
He should have been taken away in handcuffs for putting his hands on another person over hurt feelings and words.
Well, what's worse?
A grown man slapping another grown man, what happened with Will Smith and Chris Rock, or the other example I gave you of Jim Carrey full-on making out with an uninvited woman who what's worse?
What does it matter which is worse?
Worse, both are wrong and shouldn't have happened.
No, but the point is, he didn't get reprimanded at the time.
He was applauding that she should have been able to.
You know what?
When I see Dante, I'm just going to slap him straight in the face.
Straight up.
Show me Dante.
Watch Dante fly out.
Wait outside of the Valutaine building and record it.
Put it on his social media.
Goes viral.
You're getting slapped in the face by Dante.
Look, a lot of people.
Well, Dante.
You seem like you're a little bit agitated and frustrated.
Maybe there's a couple stories we talked about today that could be a source of inspiration for you.
But have a wonderful day.
Have a good one, Dante.
Do we have another one?
We got eight more minutes.
Do we have another caller?
Johnny.
Yes, Aaron's on the line.
Okay, let's hear Aaron.
Hello, guys.
How's it going?
How are you doing, Aaron?
I just wanted to talk briefly about like Frederick Nietzsche, right?
Because he talked about this 200 years ago.
How did we lose you?
R-O-N.
Did you?
Hello?
Yeah, we got you.
Hello.
Aaron, go ahead.
Go ahead.
Yeah, I think he's listening on the playback.
We should just probably get rid of him.
Okay, let's go to another one.
Can you guys hear me?
Yes.
We got you.
That's all we have.
I like where he was going, though, because Nietzsche says, God is dead.
We have killed him, and there will never be enough water to wash away the blood.
Is that the angle he was going with?
Yeah, he wanted to quote Nietzsche and that kind of what Kevin touched on earlier with the lack of religion in the country and one could say at a broader aspect throughout the world, the death of Christianity and the impact it's having on our culture.
Yeah.
Tyler, do you want to?
Why don't you give us a prayer real quick?
Guys, let's all join hands and give us a quick prayer.
I'd like you to see how but you know the you know what religion is the number one when they ask people to check off what religion they identify as you know the number one religion in America is agnostic.
Do you have Aaron back on?
So Aaron, if you're back on, you ask us the question.
We can hear you.
Go ahead.
Hello.
Aaron, go ahead.
Hey, can you guys hear me?
Yes.
Okay.
I don't know what was happening.
Okay.
Can you guys go ahead and ask the question?
We can ask a question, Aaron.
Are you capable of that?
Are you guys familiar with Frederick Nietzsche?
Yes.
He talked about the loss of meaning and the death of God like 200 years ago.
Yep.
Yes.
You know, and how you have to be in a constant state of becoming, otherwise you end up in a state of nihilism, which I think is like really evident in today's society more than anything else.
Like, I'm 31 years old, and I've had like more of my friends.
I've been to their funerals than I have their weddings.
You know, and that is like a huge crisis in the world today.
So, like, I do appreciate what you guys are doing and what you guys are talking about.
You know?
Yeah.
Isn't that suicides have gone up?
Are these funerals because of overdoses?
Why?
I mean, let's just gloss over that.
You're saying you're 31.
You've been to more funerals for your friends than weddings.
What's the cause of these funerals, bro?
Is he still there?
He's gone.
So, John, do me a favor, John.
When we take callers, ask what their question is, not what their comment is.
If they can make a comment, well, we got a question for Kevin is what I would say.
By the way, let's wrap up with this.
So, your favorite comedians, if you were to say your favorite comedians, who would you say are your favorite comedians?
I grew up with Mel Brooks.
I grew up with, you know, watching those things.
I grew up with that kind of comedy.
And also the beginning of SNL, like Belushi and Bill Murray and those guys, Dan Aykroyd and those guys.
I mean, stand-up-wise, I loved Norm McDonald.
He was a friend of mine.
I went on the road with Norm and I loved him and Sandler.
And I love Sebastian right now.
Sounds funny.
He's hysterical.
Big time.
He is hysterical.
I love him.
So I laugh at him a lot.
So those are the guys that have influenced me.
If I could get to that level, it'd be great.
Fantastic.
Can I say hi to Kevin from one of his friends?
Yeah.
Give myself a little plug in the meantime.
I feel like I'm on the tonight show set.
Jealous.
On top of VT Post.
I have a new podcast starting.
One Degree of Scandalous.
I've been working on this thing for about two or three years.
And my partner is another Wisconsin famous funny man, Kato Kalen.
Oh, yeah.
So Kato told me to say hi to you.
So we're going to start this podcast on podcast one where we're going to go back to every single scandal that there's been.
And we're just going to have fun with it.
We're going to talk to the people that were in the middle of it.
We're not looking to, you know, blow anything open or anything, but just have a good conversation and unveil some facts and tell people that people find it.
It's going to be on podcast one.
It's starting in May.
No, it's not.
So just follow me on Instagram at TomZener.
All the updates will be there.
When it's coming up, when it is coming up, you'll let us know.
We'll have you on, and then we'll put a link and we'll drive to it.
That'll be awesome.
Fantastic.
Kevin Lord.
Where can people find you?
What are you working on nowadays?
Well, I do a lot of stand-ups.
So this weekend, I'm in Boca Ratan, and I'm at the black box over there.
And I have a website, Kevin FarleyOfficial, and I also do a podcast called Offsides, which is about football and sports and that kind of thing with the savant kid who's like 12 years old, Leo Berman, and another ex-football player, Ed Gance.
And we talk a lot about what's going on in pro football.
Literally 12-year-old kid.
Yeah, he's 16.
Sorry.
16, but he's got a statistical mind.
He knows exactly every step.
And of all things you could be talking about, you want to talk sports?
Is that what you're saying?
I love sports.
I love football, college, and pro football.
Yeah.
So we talk a lot about that.
Yeah.
And so that's our other podcast.
And I have another one podcast called Kevin Farley on the Road, which I talk about my daily life on the road, that kind of thing.
Is the majority of your time doing stand-up now?
Yeah, a lot of it.
Yep.
I have two movies coming out, one up and also The Baby Pack.
Those are coming out later on in the year.
So I have two movies coming out, and then I do voicos on F is for Family, but they've wrapped it up.
So I know we're wrapping up.
But one last question for you.
You made an appearance on Curb.
You've made an appearance on a lot of different things.
But one of the funnier things I've seen is my favorite show currently is Always Sunny in Philadelphia.
Oh, you did that too.
Yeah, you did it.
I was always sunny dealing with all those guys.
Those guys are genius.
And the set is really fun to go to be a part of because Danny DeVito's insensitive.
He got DeVito.
He's insane.
Charlie.
Yes, all of them are hilarious.
And they let you do, you know, they're very cool on set.
So I played this guy that was really a down and dub.
They're in a ski bum and they're trying to have fun.
And I'm like this real downer and like fighting for custody of my child.
Sad, very turkey.
How much time did you spend on set with those guys?
Absolutely.
It's 10:59.
Folks, we have the link below to go find Kevin Farley's podcast, Twitter.
He put it on there.
One of the best comments of the day so far is Zach Harris Dante 2024.
So, Dante out there, when you're running for office, someone's got your back here for running 2024.
Tomorrow, who do we have on tomorrow?
Big boy Francis.
Oh, wow.
Francis Francis Nagano is going to be here tomorrow.
UFC heavyweight champion of the world.
Heavyweight champion of the world will be here tomorrow.
He's going to slap at him.
Oh, that would be so that's a salt, brother.
So, anyways, we'll see you guys tomorrow with Francis.
