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00:00 - Start
00:28 - Mr. Olympia
5:30 - NYC gifted talented
17:24 - Is coach/teacher more important than subject
23:55 - Superman's son is Bisexual
31:21 - In communist countries the state is god
34:07 - born with political leanings
52:38 - Tyson Fury/Deontay Wilder
55:37 - Southwest Airlines cancels 1,800+ flights
1:01:17 - Jon Gruden
1:27:11 - Businesses hiring anyone that will show up
1:42:26 - 130 Countries agree to minimum corporate tax
The podcast you guys did over the weekend, Mr. Olympia, 200,000 people tuned in worldwide to listen to, man.
That was amazing.
Dude, we missed you.
Yeah.
Because we were thinking that you were going to do a pose down.
Close down pose down.
With Mario.
And Roy.
Let me tell you, Roy did a good job.
Roy did a great job.
You know, he was a former NPC competitor.
He competed at an amateur show.
Actually, it was one of my shows.
Don't make this about Roy, please.
Let's make this a little bit different.
But he did a really good job.
I'm not even going to lie.
Liar did a good job as well.
Don't make this about you and the predators.
It's all about Muscle Madden over here.
This dude forgotten more about the human body than we'll ever know.
Shout out to Big Ramy for winning.
Shout out for Big Ramy for winning.
And Brandon Curry looked a little bit pissed off because I think he thought he could have won it.
And I like Curry's attitude.
Rami, that's back-to-back for him, which is cool to see that happen.
That's huge.
Was he the favorite?
Yeah.
By far.
He was the favorite.
He was.
He lived up to expectations.
He's two-time Mr. Olympia now, right?
Yeah.
I mean, shout out to Big Ramy.
You know, I've said this before, but after he won last year, I made sure that I told him, you have to come in better because next year, they're all gunning for you.
And it's always hard.
That camera's blurry yesterday.
It's always hard to defend.
It's always hard to defend, right?
You win one, but it's hard to defend.
So shout out to Ramy, but you know what?
I'm happy that Brandon Curry showed a little disgust with this place.
I like that.
I like it too.
You know, you shouldn't just be happy.
Oh, I played second.
I love that.
Nah, man, you should be pissed.
Nobody was more pissed than Hottie, man.
Hottie was pissed at being third.
You know, that's a look.
I think during that webcast, like, we all thought that Hottie had a major chance.
I believe even Sean Ray and Rich Disparry, while they were doing theirs, had Hadi as the most conditioned guy in the show.
And he was pretty complete.
It might have been a size issue, you know, because he was definitely giving up.
I mean, geez, did you know that Rami?
Can you put up the pictures, guys, just to see the top three, Mr. Olympia?
Did you know that Ramy weighed in at the press conference at 303?
Wow.
He was in a suit, mind you, but I mean, you're pushing 300 pounds.
300 pounds.
Was that the biggest ever to win it or no?
Was Ronnie still big enough to win?
I think Ronnie was 295.
And what were you when you won it?
Oh, gosh.
260?
No.
I probably looked 260, but I was 248.
Wow.
Okay.
So, I mean, you know, Hadi is definitely on, he's on the third.
He's on the far right for anyone that doesn't know, but Hadi gave like a really good argument as to being at least second in this, you know, because you look at the quads, you know, compared to everybody else.
It's just more deep separation.
But, you know, I think when you do the quarter turns and you do all the other poses, I can understand why the judges pick Ramy.
I mean, look at, he looks, he like dwarfs these massive men.
Look at the size of this guy.
Who?
The one in the middle?
The one in the middle.
Yeah, that's Big Ramy for you.
Yeah.
That's Big Ramy.
Did he officially change his name to Big Ramy?
That's his name now?
They called him that.
So I met Ramy like 11 years ago in Kuwait.
And he was just getting ready to turn pro, I believe.
He's Egyptian.
Or yes.
Okay.
Or I think he just turned pro.
I remember seeing him compete.
I thought, I remember talking to Dennis James.
I go, this guy just turned pro?
He's like, yes.
I go, okay, I got to get back in the gym.
This is a guy that definitely, if he gets it together, I mean, he's going to be Mr. Olympia someday.
And he did it twice.
So congrats to Big Ramy again.
I know one phrase in Egyptian because there was an Egyptian girl in high school that was super into it.
So I learned Hanaba Hibbuk.
Which I guess was a bastardization of like, I love you.
I have no idea.
Did it work?
No, no.
It actually means a complete different.
It doesn't mean it's a completely different thing.
Stop an asshole is what it means.
All right, let's get into some stories.
Let's get into some stories.
Okay, we got a lot of things to cover.
Chappelle got a lot of backlash for a couple of comments he made.
John Gruden fired/slash resignation.
Phil's got a few comments.
I got some thoughts on that.
Google will no longer allow climate deniers to make money on YouTube.
Gas prices hit all-time high seven years.
Southwest Airlines cancels nearly 2,000 flights, and they blame it on weather.
They blame it a lot of other things, but they try to blame it on the rain.
But it's definitely something else.
Tyson Fury went against Wilder.
I thought it was a sick fight, man.
I watched that fight.
I was blown away.
CNN comment was made.
Unhinged CNN, GOP dumping anthrax in our water.
Fox News is killing people.
That was said by who?
Brian?
The human thumb, Brian Stelter.
Yeah.
Fantastic commentary he's got there.
More than 130 countries reach deal on corporate minimum tax, which is what we talked about a couple months ago.
Donald Trump will never be president ever again, says renowned pollster Frank Luntz.
China's Xi vows peaceful unification with Taiwan days after sending a surge of warplanes near the island.
De Blasio phase out New York City gifted and talented program and a few other stories that we got here.
But I say we start off with the de Blasio story.
So de Blasio to phase out.
If you want to go to page nine, yeah, page nine, de Blasio, New York City.
They just want to make that city better and better to attract more people to move there.
So de Blasio to phase out New York City gifted and talented program.
This is a New York Times story.
On Friday, he unveiled a plan to overhaul gifted and talented education New York City elementary schools, calling for sweeping changes to a highly selective program that has been widely criticized for exacerbating segregation in the nation's largest school system.
The mayor's action attempt to address what the city has known for decades.
Its gifted and talented program has controlled to racially segregated classrooms and schools for thousands of students nationwide, citywide.
De Blasio has criticized for not taking forceful action to fulfill his promise of tackling inequality in public schools.
The announcement comes just three months before he must leave office because of term limits, putting the fate of the plan in the hands of his successor.
Adam, thoughts?
So let me get this straight.
He just wants everyone in the New York City school system just to be in regular classes?
Yeah.
No more.
AP and honors.
So as someone who has taken regular classes, something called academic excellence, I've been in honors classes and I've been AP classes.
For anyone that's ever been in school knows that's a huge freaking difference.
To give you a case example, I was by far and away the smartest person in regular classes when I took them.
And I was by far and away the dumbest person in AP classes when I took those classes.
So I had to find my bearings.
I had to figure out like, I was actually pretty good at history.
I couldn't read so good.
So I had to get into regular, like the fact that you're just going to lump everyone into one class.
Are you saying you wish you would have never taken any AP classes so you wouldn't have felt inferior to them?
No, no, no.
You got to understand that bottom line is, I think this is a horrible idea.
I don't know if they're looking for equality or what's the term that everyone's using?
Diversity, equity, inclusion inclusive.
On a serious note, how did it feel when you went in?
I've never taken AP.
I've never taken honors on 1.8, ESL, lifelong ESL, EFL.
When you went from regular class to AP and honors, what did you feel as a student?
Well, look, when I was in regular classes, so I went from public school my whole life, and then I got a scholarship, so I was in private school last few years.
So they just kind of were like, you did good in public school.
We're going to throw you in honors classes all across the board at a school called Mindy Country Day in Miami.
It's kind of like a Westminster.
It's a good school.
And I realized, oh, shit, I ended up doing a lot of people.
I had some friends over there.
We had a hedge fund guy over that's extremely successful in Greenwich, and they were trying to put their kids in Miami Country Day, and they were raving about the school.
Great school.
Yeah.
I'm very like lifelong context.
Great.
But the point is this.
I realized very quickly I was good at some stuff and not good at other stuff.
And then I went down to regular.
And the bottom line is this.
I don't understand this idea.
Kids work their asses off to excel in school.
Now you're going to have super, super smart kids just sitting there literally dumbfounded being in regular classes.
I think this is a horrible idea.
So basically, are they saying that the curriculum will not be AP?
Is that right?
Yeah, apparently.
Making it easier.
Making it easier for you to not feel inferior to others who are.
So they don't want us to compete.
That's exactly what it is.
And I think essentially that's wrong.
So if you put yourself in the, like, let's look at both sides of the coin.
Who are the kids that are like, I feel, you know, inferior.
I feel like I'm being not included in the smart kids.
So I protect my feelings and put everyone in my class.
That's that kid, I guess.
Or they're probably not even a kid.
They're parents, I would assume.
Now think about the kid that's like, look, I'm working my freaking ass off here.
I read every single night.
I'm strategizing.
I'm improving.
My kids, my parents have raised me right.
And now you want me to go to the just regular class?
How does that help me?
How does that get me AP credit to get into college?
Here's what I'm thinking about.
Which kid actually wants this?
Like, look, I'm the other kid, right?
I'm the kid at the bottom of the, what do you call it?
Like, you know what?
The bottom of the barrel.
I'm the bottom of the regular class.
So like, like, not the, like you were saying, you were the best in the regular class.
I'm the bottom of the regular class.
Okay, you're not excelling at all.
I wonder if they did this, would this make me feel more confident?
Would this make me feel more special?
Would this make me feel more like, oh my gosh, thank you so much for doing this because I was feeling very, you know, weak.
I don't even think those kids care.
But go and think about, do those kids even care?
You're still going to grade on a curve, right?
That's the kids still going to get a deer.
I'm going to say that because Gerard and I both wrote this.
Exactly.
I just wrote it just now.
Still, the smart kids are going to get A's and the regular kids are going to not get A.
It goes beyond that.
It goes beyond that, guys.
I mean, what's happening here is the white savior complex.
This is, you know, the white liberal activist who's, you know, she's in class and she's the teacher and she's like, well, if every kid just had the resources that these kids in the AP classes had, they'd all have the same capacity.
They are completely and totally incapable of seeing differences between human beings.
They're incapable in seeing that some people may excel in A and not excel in B. All it is is access to opportunity and the resources and we'll all be exactly the same.
We'll create nothing but a land of square pegs and square holes.
It's nonsense.
I mean, really what it comes down to is it shows what education, public education specifically in this country is, man.
It's an indoctrination camp.
It has nothing to do with education.
It has nothing to do with improving the intellectual capacity of our next generations.
In fact, I'd argue that they are putting obedience ahead of education.
All they want to do is herd these people into classes and indoctrinate them politically on what they should think.
They don't teach people how to think anymore, which is really all AP classes do.
AP classes, now you're talking about logic.
Now you're talking about philosophy.
Now you're talking about opportunities.
Did you take AP?
I did.
Do you took AP?
Yes.
Okay, so Kai, I'm assuming you...
Not all.
Not all.
Well, you did take honors on AP classes.
Here's the difference.
All right.
In regular history class, they teach you what happened.
In AP history, they ask you why it happened.
And that is the difference.
That's the major difference, okay?
The major difference is this is what happened on these dates.
Regurgitate this.
Get it right on the test so our school can get money from the state.
There you go.
In AP, it's you're already graded on a higher curve.
You can have a 5.0 instead of a 4.0.
So a B student in AP is still a 4.0 student.
Okay.
So they already get the money from the state, and it's a small amount of students that get into this.
It's that other side of the bell curve.
But they ask you, these are the people that they start asking questions.
Why?
Okay.
And I feel like in this environment, not to be crazy conspiracy theory, these people do not want kids learning how to ask the question why.
They do not want a generation of people asking why this is happening, why we're doing things this way.
They want people that understand obedience above all else.
Well, this is just the New York City.
It's not just the start.
It's the first domino to fall.
I mean, everybody's going to do the same thing.
Do you think other school systems across the country are going to implement this?
Well, in mass?
How about this?
The fact that Harvard was caught by having completely different admission standards predicated on your nationality.
Yeah.
Asian kids, white kids, and then everybody else after that, right?
Where you had to score so remarkably higher than other people to get in.
All right.
The social stratification, man.
Again, it goes back to everything that we're talking about.
And also, on a side note, Bill de Blasio, first mayor in 100 years to not have a professional sports team win a championship in New York City.
I don't think that that is, look, it's an interesting coincidence, but it goes again, like excellence is not something that they want.
And it's amazing that whenever we're talking about equality, whenever we're talking about inclusion, it's never about lifting people up.
It's always about ripping people down.
Of course, they're trying to get everybody to, instead of, okay, easiest way to put it, we want you all to blend in with each other instead of stand out.
You're supposed to have standouts.
So what you're saying is encourage these people, fan their flames, push them, push them, push them, because you don't want to be the stumble bum is what we would say back in my day, which means like you're going to be one on the corner doing stupid shit.
Well, Pal, I mean, you definitely got to focus on these things because it's very imperative.
And what about the kids that want to excel and get college credit while they're in high school?
My younger brother did that.
He was Phi Theta Kappa at 16 years old.
So he was exceptional, right?
Who's pushing for this?
Well, should there be varsity sports?
I mean, what's the next logical conclusion?
Should there be varsity sports?
You just get the nerd getting pummeled by Gerard in high school?
That's fun.
But I'm just saying, varsity is AP sports.
Right?
I mean, why if we're, if everything is going to be exactly the same, then why isn't everything exactly the same?
Why is it only about these, this is where my spidey senses start to tingle.
Why is it only about dumbing down and indoctrinating the future?
That's when I start to say, man.
Is this an effective strategy?
Is this an effective strategy, though?
So let's just say that is your outcome.
Let's just say that's your outcome and you're trying to dumb him down.
Do you think, okay, so do you think the guy that's going to make it out is going to make it out?
Do you think the guy that's going to be a standout is going to be a standout?
You can't do nothing to him.
I think that their argument, their argument is that we're not going to divert the resources to a small section of people.
We're going to give those resources to everybody.
No, but I'm not asking you that.
What I'm asking you is, do you think the guy that's going to make it is going to make it, whether they do this or not?
I think what's going to happen is twofold.
You're going to have people, like Adam said, that are so bored in these classes that they check out.
And you're going to have people that the conversation is so high above them that they check out.
So I think that you're going to have an opportunity, really, for Khan Academy or some secondary educational school where autodiadects are going to have to seek out autodidex, people that are.
Study on their own.
They're self-taught.
They're self-educated.
They're going to have to seek out their own path.
And it's going to happen on both ends.
I got a buddy of mine, Jay McDermott, one of my best friends in the world.
He was never dumb, but he was always misinterested.
He was just disinterested in school.
Just disinterested.
Never wanted to do anything.
All he wants to do is talk to chicks the whole time.
If it wasn't for sports, he would have never gone to class at all.
Then he goes to college and something clicks and he's like, you know what, man?
I got to get my shit together.
Now the dude's got an MBA and he works at Fitch.
Like, he's crushing it.
But similar to yourself, if he had a 2.0 GPA in high school, it was a lot.
Like, he just didn't care.
You know what I'm saying?
So in this environment, pushing him along might work for a guy like Jay because he doesn't get left behind.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Every class is different.
Like I said, I was in dumb math, but in smart history, what have you, everyone excels at different things.
Like you talked about.
Were you good in math?
Was math a...
Math a was not...
I was good up until a certain point.
And then when he started throwing trigonometry and geometry, I'm like, I'm out.
This is a- Did you teach math analysis?
I don't recall if I took that.
I crushed it at normal stuff, like addition, subtraction, multiplication.
And then when they started throwing X and Agree and theorem and all that.
I'm like, differential equations.
I was always like the class clown.
I was like, you know, we're never going to use this shit.
Like, I was that kid in the back room.
I'm like, why are we doing this?
Can I just go like play football?
But the point is, is some people excel in certain classes, some people don't.
So if you're going to put everyone in the same class, same thing, like that in itself, whether it's sports, whether it's woodshop, all right, we're all doing it.
Whoever does, you know.
But in each class, each subject, to put everyone in the same thing makes it.
The teacher was more important than the curriculum.
If the teacher made it interesting, if the teacher made it, you know, the material engaging, then everybody was involved.
Like, like whether or not we were good at math or liked math, it depended on the teacher.
I had a teacher that made math into money and baseball statistics, and we were all totally good.
But then we had another teacher who was like, sit there, shut up, and read the book.
So let's go back to it.
Let's go back to it.
So the question is, will this do anything to the guy that's going to make it anyways?
Does this affect the standout guy?
I think it does.
You think so?
You always hear these talented people.
We always hear it in sports, but it could be in academics as well.
These talented people that something went wrong with the family.
I fully agree with them.
I fully agree.
Let me explain to why I agree with you.
You guys know the story of Nick Bolitieri.
You know Nick Bolitier, the tennis coach.
Yeah, the tennis coach.
Yeah, of course.
Do you know who he is?
Like, have you met him?
Yes, yes.
He's down in South Florida.
Yeah, he is in down South Florida.
He's the teacher.
Okay.
All my friends.
So let me tell you who this guy is.
How do you describe him?
His can, his students, his students.
Any of the students that went to his camp, how many champions, how many grand slams do you think they won?
All his students that have.
They've crushed it.
180 Grand Slam winners came out.
180 total Grand Slams, he coaches.
I think you're a family member, Andre Agassi.
Yeah, Andre Agassi was his phenom.
Anyway, so there's a story.
There's a documentary about this guy.
There's a documentary about this guy where he's coaching players, right?
And he's coaching Jimmy Connors and he's coaching Agassiz.
And they're going back and forth.
The story then goes to a story of two girls that he was coaching.
One of the girls is coming up and she's crushing it.
She's kicking ass, 11 years old.
She's going to be the youngest, you know, to go out and compete, all this stuff that's taking place with her.
And then all of a sudden, the father comes up and the father says, Nick, I want you to drop everybody because the father was a very, very rich billionaire.
And he says, I want you to drop everybody.
I just want you to coach my daughter.
He's like, I can't do that.
I got 100 kids here.
It's not my business model.
He said, I'll pay you whatever you want.
He says, you don't understand.
That's not my business model.
He says, I will pay how much you make money.
I'm going to make you this one.
He says, I don't want the money.
I want to coach the kids.
Anyways, the pops gets pissed.
He says, I'm out of here.
So he leaves.
The daughter is telling the story.
The girl that could have been a, she says, well, my dad took me, says, don't worry about it.
We'll go find another coach.
They go to another coach, lower standards.
They go to another coach, low standard.
The dad kept telling the daughter, don't worry about it.
This guy's good for you.
The girl's like, I eventually became a nobody.
If I would have stayed with Nick, I would have been a top three, right?
And the whole story with Nick is standards and expectation.
High, high standards and expectation.
People rise up.
Agassiz, Courier, Sellus, what do you call it?
The sisters, all of those guys went through him, right?
What's the moral of the story here?
Drop the standards.
I believe that 12%, to me, it goes back to the same thing.
The 12% that has what it takes to dominate, but they don't get the right challenge.
They're not pushed.
They're not challenged to do more.
Somebody's not tough on it with the expectations high.
You're going to lose that 12%.
So I think this actually affects you.
I agree.
Those guys are.
I fully believe that.
Teachers matter.
Coaches are not.
I don't think it's just teachers because remember, even Nick wasn't the one that was teaching everybody.
Nick had 40 teachers that were teaching people.
Put together a program.
I think it's a system of standards.
I think it's a set of standards and protocols.
When you have a certain set of high expectations and standards, one of two things is going to happen to you.
Here's what happens.
You're either going to respond to it or you're going to hate this guy forever.
They kept telling stories of two people, two guys and two girls, Agassiz and Jimmy Connors, right?
Agassiz was his phenom.
Guess who's the only person that didn't want to do an interview on this documentary?
Agassiz's the only guy that refused to do the interview.
All the other people agreed to do it.
Why wouldn't Agassi do it?
Who didn't do well with him is the people that hated high standards.
Agassizy hated it.
And this other girl hated it.
But Jimmy Connors loved it.
So Jimmy Connors won eight grand slams.
The people that like high standards, I responded to it.
When you have high standards and expectation, this is what you produce.
This is always going to happen.
What is the most annoying thing about a great example?
When it's right.
What's the most annoying thing about having a leader that's got a great example?
It's a great freaking example.
It sucks.
It absolutely sucks because you're like, the hell with you.
So much pressure.
I don't want to have to live up to this expectation.
But what's the best thing about having a guy like that?
He can push you.
Yep.
But regardless, not everybody's going to fit to those standards.
Correct.
You're still going to produce some people that are going to be resenting it and coming out and saying, you know what?
Screw you.
I hate that teacher.
Everybody had that one coach that later on they hated, but deep down inside, they're like, the fuck motherfucker.
Yeah.
You know, that guy really had me.
He had really challenged me.
We all have that, right?
I think this is a travesty what they're doing to the kids there because there could be a few phenoms that we're going to find out about 10, 20, 30, 40 years from now that we're probably going to lose.
But I still think that there's a small percentage of people, put them at 1%, 2%, small percentage.
They're going to figure out a way to kill you.
But the law of unintended consequences, something all these commies refuse to admit exists, man.
All it's going to take now is that wealthy people or even middle-class people are going to put their kids into private school where you could have had your kids communicating, networking, learning from these other people who were gifted and then rise, picking each other up like you're talking about.
Now what you're going to have is you're going to have this, again, this forced social stratification, this segregation, where it's like, I can't have my kid in the school.
I can't have my kid in the school.
People are already putting their kids in private school.
You are in New York, but part of the reason why, but again, we're thinking New York.
Well, you're not wealthy.
You're not from a wealthy family.
But you're thinking about it.
I got a scholarship.
No, Of course.
What I'm trying to say is I don't want to lose you.
You're the one I don't want to lose.
The guy that is a phenom, the guy that is a guy that needs somebody to challenge him because he'll respond to it.
In Manhattan, they've already been in private schools.
But in Queens, they haven't been.
In Staten Island, they haven't been.
In Brooklyn, a lot of parts of Brooklyn, they're not.
You got Lincoln, Lafayette.
You got some, I mean, this is the first time.
This is what your city taxes are.
Like, is anybody ever city implemented?
Let's go to this.
Well, what happens is they.
What they tried to do, which was probably wrong in the other direction, is that they had like gifted schools where they took the entire like gifted student population and then they put them in gifted schools, which probably wasn't right in its own right, right?
But I just, look, I just, on an overall level, and there's somebody that, you know, is way more in-depth.
Waiting for Superman was a phenomenal documentary.
Superman?
Yeah.
You heard about what happened to Superman yesterday?
Yes, I did.
Yes.
Superman's son is bisexual.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, good for him.
I didn't see that.
And I'm more concerned with DC making him a socialist.
You said yesterday.
Yeah, I saw it this morning, actually.
What do you guys?
What do you think about it?
Which Superman?
David, let me ask.
Superman?
DC Comics coming out.
The next Superman's son is a bisexual Superman that's coming out soon.
He's bisexual.
Like in the comic world?
Like a bisexual socialist.
No, no, a real Superman's son.
Yeah, in the comic world.
I don't know, like, if you're talking about Dean Kane or whoever has a story, like the comic story that DC universe is, Superman's son is bisexual.
Good for him.
But wait a minute.
What do you think about that?
I think it's lazy.
It doesn't bother me that he's bisexual.
It doesn't bother me.
It bothers me.
He's socialist.
But I mean, it doesn't bother me.
He's bisexual.
I don't know.
I can tell you.
Look, I know people that are bisexual.
I know people that are gay.
If they feel somehow edified by this, good for them.
I just think it's lazy.
Why not make your own superhero?
Make your own story.
The constant retconning of these cultural icons.
And listen, they are doing it on purpose.
So when they act like, how are you getting mad?
Because you wanted people to get mad.
Superman's a Jesus allegory.
Superman was a way to sell Jesus to a new sense of kids.
He's Jesus.
If you look at Zack Snyder's Superman, right?
I mean, he literally has him being resurrected with his feet crossed in his arms.
It's a Jesus allegory.
It's the most obvious Jesus allegory since The Matrix, right?
So, I mean, the fact that they know this and then they went out of their way in the press conference where they were like, we just knew having another white male, straight white male savior, would have been a missed opportunity.
And it's like, okay, so then you did it on purpose.
But he's not gay.
He's bisexual.
Apparently, no, no.
So the picture.
Why don't you pull it up to see the picture?
I mean, this is what Kai's job is.
How is he not already on?
You tell Kai to type hey, he types B. He's just sleeping over there.
That's a great post.
PBD podcast.
Shout out to the PVD podcast.
You said Superman tits him best man.
Unbelievable.
Superman's son.
I got to see this picture because I got to.
Go to images.
There it is right there.
This freaking guy.
There it is.
Okay, let me say something.
I know women that are bisexual, meaning they're into dudes, they're into chicks.
I don't know any dudes that are bisexual.
If you're asking some D, you're gay.
That's it.
There's no middle ground.
Well, you know, some time to time I'll jerk a guy off, but no, I think I'm going to go out.
No, it's done.
I'm sorry.
You do that?
No, I'm in the chicks.
That's it.
Oh, I thought you said from time to time.
I'm just, I'm putting my foot down.
If you're gay, God bless you.
All good.
I've got gay friends in the world.
One day Adam's going to run for a while.
They're going to make a clip.
He wants it from tires 11 years from now.
11 years.
Again, I know a lot of gay people.
They're cool.
I'm friends with gay people.
Miami Beach, South Beach.
They're everywhere.
I'm friends with them.
Some of my good friends are gay.
See them out all the time.
Say what's up.
I'm with you.
None of them are going home with girls.
I'm with you on this, Gerard.
Why be so lazy?
You could create a whole new series of games.
They're doing it specifically to piss people off.
They're doing it to piss people off.
I go from not being pissed off to just, do I care?
Yeah.
DC Comics is super.
Who's the founder of DC Comics?
I don't know.
Is this a Stanley project?
No, it's not Stanley, right?
Stanley's Marvel.
So who's DC Comics?
Frank Miller is the biggest thing Frank Miller is the.
Go to DC Comics right there, Wikipedia.
Go to the bottom.
Yeah, just type on.
Let's see who it is.
Malcolm Wheeler.
So 87 years ago, founded by National General.
Malcolm Wheeler.
Coca Malcolm Wheeler.
This comes out a little bit to the right.
It's the black Superman thing.
It's like bother me?
No, at all.
But would it?
It's just lazy.
So if I was a black Superman, you'd know I'm just playing.
You kind of are.
As close to Superman as it gets.
Ain't you, dude?
I just can't fly yet.
Huh?
Just can't fly yet.
Go a little higher.
X-ray vision.
Have you tried?
You got to make the leap, bro.
You got to make the leap like the Matrix, bro.
You got to make the leap.
I don't know, man.
Doesn't it just feel lazy?
Isn't it?
I just feel like trying too hard to sell you something.
Even something like it's panic.
I think the guy that we had on from Facebook, who is part of the LGBTQ community, he himself said that on Facebook, they're trying really hard to influence young kids to be part of the community.
So, you know, if that is the strategy, let's just say that's the strategy and where the marketing from they hired, great strategy.
Good for you.
He didn't like that, right?
He did not like that.
Even though he's part, he is himself.
He doesn't like the fact that you're trying to manipulate kids.
Yeah, and so Gatsaw, the Gatfather, you know, when he and I were, by the way, we got to get him on here.
We got to figure out a date to get him on.
Parasitic mind one.
Yeah, so when I had him on and we were talking about the whole LGBT, I said, do you think the TV shows and everything is influencing kids to become a part of the community?
He says, not at all.
I said, well, let's look at some stats.
So we went to the stats last 30, 40 years, and you can tell 20 years ago was 1%.
LGBT today is 5%.
That was literally what I wanted to find out.
You're saying 5%.
In the last 20 years?
Yeah, in the last 5 years, it's increased from 1% to 5%.
Falls under the LGBTQ.
By the way, they've added new letters.
Yeah, they got to stop at P, though.
I think we can all agree on that.
B-L-B-G-B-T-B-L-E-L-A-G-B-L-A-L-A-L-E-R-E-L.
I think there was like a P is the pie in there at one point.
But like, if I'm a gay person, now I got to be in between everything.
I'm telling you right now.
Didn't Dave Chappelle do a joke about this?
You want to be with a consenting adult?
With the children is where that shit is a hard line.
Yes.
Where Kevin Spacey came out and they were like, hey, man, are you with a 15-year-old dude?
He's like, you know what?
You're right.
I decide to live my life outwardly as a gay man.
And the whole world was like, cool.
Cool.
What about the 15-year-old?
Yeah, exactly.
Like, that's all we're talking about here, man.
What about the drags?
You got to drag stuff at night?
No.
You know, with the kids?
No.
No, it's a hard note.
Live your life.
Listen, age has, you know, love is age.
Love does matter.
Age doesn't matter.
Yeah, it does.
Let's just, it does.
I mean, come on, man.
Look, whatever you do with a consenting adult, God bless.
By the way.
God bless.
I just had one, what was his name?
Juan Pablo Valdez.
Am I saying Jorge Pablo Valdez, which from 77 to 80, he was the number one cocaine dealer in the world.
Okay?
Jorge Luis.
Jorge Luis.
Valdez.
Jorge Luis Valdez from Cuba that moves to Miami, gets his degree.
Then one of his clients that's a market that they have every month is depositing $500,000 saying, how do you have this kind of money?
Says, listen, we don't do this kind of stuff.
This is just stuff that we have to hide.
We have a cocaine business.
And back then, he was killing it.
He made like $60 million.
He's 21 years old.
Cocaine Cowboys has a documentary about the guy.
So I said, what was it like being in Cuba?
He says, in Cuba, he says, you know, you couldn't believe in God.
You could not believe in God.
Why couldn't you believe in God?
The whole concept with communism, you can't believe in God.
The state is God.
The state is God.
The whole concept with Hitler was what?
You cannot believe in God.
It's who?
It's I am your God, right?
Hitler is your God.
And Dietrich Bonhoeffer wrote about this.
You know, probably the story of Dietrich Bonhoeffer.
It's a great story, Kai.
That's another book you got to wrap up with Dietrich Bonhoeffer.
So this guy stood up to Hitler, and Hitler couldn't stand this guy and what he was doing.
The moment you, if you really want to control the populace, the first thing that's got to go is believing in a higher power.
The moment you get rid of that, you don't believe you can go fight a bigger opponent, okay?
And this book, Naked Communist, written by Cleon Scalson, which was a 15-year CIA agent, and he wrote about a certain steps.
One of them was indoctrination of the LGBTQ overly.
Listen, we all know somebody that's getting the family.
Everybody has somebody.
You're like, yeah, listen, I've known since you were, I don't know, you've been like this for a long time.
So it's not like it's, you know, it's like, hey, what's up?
It's cool.
No problem, right?
Everything's fine.
But the overly of trying to get you to question those thoughts of how do you know maybe what if not, what if this, you're starting to see some of those things.
One of the things is faith, get people to stop believing in God.
Because once faith is gone, people don't believe they can fight against the system.
This is the other one.
There's a lot of different things that they're going through as well.
Everybody's equal.
There's like 25 steps they're going through.
Gradually, this is taking place.
Last night we're having dinner.
We were at Casa D'Angelo and Angelo showed up, which was very nice.
And he made the elk.
You had the bison last night?
Yeah.
Who had the elk?
A couple people had elk.
Did you also have elk?
No, I had the Zuba dependent.
No, but I gave you a little bit of the elk.
It was sick, right?
So anyways, so we're there.
We're talking about all this stuff.
And the conversation with our friend that was there who got really interesting at the end, we talked about briefly about this.
But this is one of the topics I brought up.
And I had my research and pulled things up.
I'm curious.
You know about this.
I'm going to ask Kai and the other guys.
You don't get to say anything till the very end.
Okay, because we talked about this.
I want to see what this guy's going to say.
I'm convinced.
And you tell me if you agree with this or not, Kai.
You two, David, you two.
I'm convinced we are born conservative or liberal.
I'm convinced you're born left or right.
I'm convinced you're born with left tendencies or right tendencies.
I believe majority of the population is born on those two sides.
Let me explain.
I'll give you my argument and please trash the argument.
And folks, I want you to trash this argument as well as we're going through.
Tell me if you agree with this or not.
So for example, I had a friend of mine who married a girl who was a full-on socialist.
We go to dinner together.
And I'm listening to her.
I couldn't understand.
Like she was out of this world completely like AOC is the greatest.
All this stuff.
Rich people are this.
Capitalism sucks.
All they care about is money.
Nonstop.
She's going.
And I paused.
I said, can I ask you a question?
She said, yeah.
I said, what was your favorite subject in high school?
She said, art.
I said, what else?
Journalism.
What else?
Music.
I said, how'd you feel about math?
Oh, I hate math.
Really?
Why do you hate math?
I just, I've never liked math.
It always came hard to me.
And from the moment I started taking math, it made me feel like I'm dumb.
It made me feel like I'm not smart.
I've just never liked math.
Got it.
For the last 10 years, I've been asking people this question.
Who's on the left?
Who's on the right?
How they are with math.
It's not always right, but about 70% of the time, 80% of the time, it's right.
You'll notice most people that are right-brain will lean left.
A lot of people that are left-brained will lean right, right?
But then there is a small populace, okay?
Which is, like, you know, in America today, there's a percentage of Americans, you cannot make them vote right.
There's nothing you can do about it.
It's about 44%, right?
Yeah.
You can say whatever you want to say, they're not going to vote Republican.
Okay.
There's 42% that no matter what you say to them, they're not going to vote Democrat.
That's just kind of what you're dealing with.
Then you got a little bit of the whole thing we talk about with what do you call it?
Libertarian.
You have those four or five.
You're really dealing with what, 10% or 12%, right?
I think 12% of America, kids are born, not just America.
Kids are born.
12% of kids are born.
And those are the ones that are kind of like, huh, I kind of see what you're saying.
That's a good point.
Let me see what he has to say.
You know what, Gerard?
You made a good point.
Phil, you know, I don't know if I agree with him now, but Gerard, he just said something.
Huh, let me kind of weigh this out.
They're malleable.
I think there's about 12% that's malleable.
Okay.
If you are able to, whoever converts that 12% the best, that party wins.
So this isn't about fighting somebody that's never going to switch, left or right.
This is about finding that 12% of reasonable people that are willing to sit there and say, here's my argument.
What do you think?
Well, Pat, what do you think?
I read one time in the article said this.
Well, here's what I think about this.
Well, I disagree with you.
Cool.
Let's go back and forth and have banter.
I'm convinced people are born left and people are born right.
And the goal is to find that 12% that's malleable that you can shift their thinking and let them have that debate to make a decision for themselves.
What do you think?
Real quick, how many of those 40% on either side believe they're in that 12% from hearing this?
How many of the 40%?
How many of the 40% unswayable on either side?
Listening to this.
No, they know.
No, no, they know.
I'm convinced they're in that debate.
Let me put it to you this way.
The group that knows they're not is a group that says Pat has no clue what the hell he's talking about.
But there's a group that's listening to this that's saying, I can't say this to anybody.
I can't admit to it.
Definitely I cannot admit to anybody.
But I've got to tell you, lately, I've been kind of questioning some of this shit.
It's like not making any sense.
Why the hell would you get rid of, you know, AP and honors program?
Tell me how that makes any sense.
Why the hell would you fire this person?
Why the hell would you want to do this to taxes and change the incentives?
Why the hell would you want to give people money to non-stop?
I saw how my dad did that to my sister.
My sister's now this.
Yeah, I don't know if I'm, this stuff is starting to make sense to me.
Like, believe me, the 12% of the populace is already questioning it on both sides.
They're sitting there questioning it on both sides.
Challenge is to be able to convert them.
So if this is true, let's just say if this is true, if this is true, you know what this means?
88% of arguments are worthless.
I do believe that.
88% of debates are worthless.
They're funny.
Did you understand what I said?
I fully understand.
If this is correct.
So protect your energy.
Big time.
88% is a waste of time.
Are you saying this is exclusive in America or worldwide?
No, no, worldwide.
No, I think this is worldwide.
And you're saying born.
I think you're born.
Like how you're saying, you're born gay.
You're born straight.
There's nothing.
No.
You know what is nature versus nurture?
You're saying this is completely.
I'm not saying give you a burden.
I'm giving an example.
You're saying, I think so.
You're saying you're born politically left or politically right.
Yes.
I'm not buying it.
Yeah.
I mean, listen, I knew you weren't going to buy it.
I know.
Well, I'll tell you why.
I knew you weren't going to buy it.
Like, recently I had a conversation.
This is what I was asking United States worldwide.
Like, so, for instance, my sister loves Trump.
Okay.
Loves Trump.
Same parent, same dad, same mom, loves Trump.
She couldn't tell you one policy.
Is she going to lose her job for loving Trump or she's going to be okay?
This bitch hasn't worked in years.
She's married to a wealthy dentist.
Damn.
Yeah, I said it.
Bro.
She's.
Sounds like Adam.
He's just made it.
She's lying at them.
What's funny is she's not really talking about us.
She's like a communist dictator.
Damn.
Her husband's a wealthy dentist.
Anyway, we're on fire today.
She loves us.
I promise you he loves you.
I promise he loves you.
Keep going.
I do love my sister.
Do I like her?
We'll see.
But she loves Trump.
True.
Why don't you talk about it, Eli?
Yeah, let's bring it up.
Let's go a 10-minute diatribe, my family.
Bring a couch here.
Let this guy lay down for me.
So another conversation I had recently was with a friend of mine from Israel.
And obviously, you see a lot of results that are happening with the vaccine, not to get too vaccine-y right now.
But I said, who's hesitant in Israel taking the vaccine?
And they go, oh, no, it's the people on the left.
I said, what?
They go, yeah, yeah, the people on the way left, they don't want to do anything with the vaccine.
I said, hold on, let me get this straight.
Because traditionally in the United States, it's not traditionally.
Like, we've seen a lot of young male skewing right do not want to take the vaccine.
A lot of African Americans won't take it as well.
It's what it's meant either way.
It's been all right.
So they flipped it on me.
They were like, yeah, you know, it's the people on the left, highly educated, just factors that you did not expect to hear.
Highly educated people here, too, actually.
Questionably.
No, no, it's quantifiably.
We did it free podcasts.
So it wasn't a left.
Give me that red button.
It flipped it.
So the point is this.
I'm not understanding, like, depending on where you're born, depending on what country you're in, I think politics is completely different.
I don't think just because you were born in the United States that you're automatically going to be on the left or the right.
So let me understand why.
So here's a question for you.
Let me go a little layer deeper.
Okay.
You ever seen a family, same mom and dad, four kids?
One becomes a phenom, crushes it.
One just a regular government employee.
One becomes a drug addict, and one becomes a priest.
You ever notice, like, what the hell just happened there?
Same mom and dad, same environment, same upbringing, four different human beings.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think there's a part of your DNA where you're wired in a certain way, and a big part of it is politically.
Because, so don't get me wrong, I have these other four issues that I add to it.
I made a video about this four years ago.
I think it has to do with your upbringing.
I think it has to do with your family.
I think it has to do with your first person that took a liking into you and gave you a lot of love, and you feel like there's a certain level of loyalty to that person, whether that person's a left or right or rich or poor or whatever it is, you kind of have that loyalty to that person.
A person early on that was an influencer that you started reading up on.
You're like, oh my gosh, I believe in this guy's philosophy.
I think all that stuff has also place to it.
And then I think it also has to do with if you had a bad experience with gun when you were 16 years old, one of your little nephews or nieces saw a gun, dad left it there, shot themselves, you're probably never going to like it.
This is all stuff that happens while growing up, though.
Sure.
I agree.
I agree.
But I still think there's a part of people where your wiring is to be one side.
Because there is no way a guy on the left and a guy on the right, smart on both sides.
They're smart on both sides.
You know, left thinks the right's dummies.
And the right thing's the people on the left are dumb.
Neither one of them are dumb.
Then what is it with them?
Because they're both very convicted in their beliefs.
How did that happen?
It's what they prioritize.
So, you know, I tend to agree with you, but I also tend to agree with Adam.
I don't think it's a left and right issue because politics are constantly evolving.
I do think that there's a proclivity to either value intellect or emotion.
I think that some people don't care whether or not you're right as long as you make somebody feel good.
You understand?
Like there's some people that are like, I don't care if I'm right as long as that person feels good and comfortable with me.
And then there's other people that are like, if that person can't be comfortable with the truth, to hell with them.
Right.
And that's you.
That's definitely me.
Right?
Yeah, you can ask the question.
That was just written about Peter Thiel, contrarian, right?
That Kai you keep talking about.
You know, maybe, maybe it's conform and non-conform.
Maybe it's agree and disagree.
Maybe it's question and don't question.
Maybe it's that.
But to me, there isn't element of some people that just say, oh, yeah, yeah.
Some people have to be liked.
Yeah.
They have to be liked.
Yeah.
And some people are just kind of like, but, you know, there's a part of that.
Again, look at the creative side, though.
Creative is typically, Hollywood is creative, left.
You look at how the creative typically leans left.
You look at the logic typically leans right.
What would you say about the country singers?
There are a lot of them that are right, and they're all creative.
Good point.
Country singers that are what?
That are on the right?
Yeah.
Then that goes to how they're raised.
And that goes to their upbringing.
That goes to their rituals and their values for the country and what they saw.
That goes to that part as well.
But that's a very small genre of the industry.
Remember, I'm not saying this is 100%.
I'm saying 70%.
There's a lot of people.
There's a 30% outpat.
To your point, I feel like politics is almost like religion.
I was born into a Jewish family, and we were doing Jewish practices, customs, and traditions.
If I happened to be, you know, my dad is a percentage Italian, if for whatever reason he married an Italian woman, I would have born into a Catholic family and I would have been a Catholic.
I agree.
And I agree.
Religion, more than anything, it's around what you're raised around, and that's where you're going to be.
But think about this family.
This more validates my point.
This more validates my point.
What percentage am I talking about?
10%.
I said 10%.
90% of people, if your dad's a Christian, you're a Christian.
If your mom is a Catholic, you're a Catholic.
But there's a 10% that's kind of like, I have to figure this out for myself.
You think it's only 10%?
That seems so loaded.
I don't.
I think it's that small of a percentage.
I think it's that small of a percentage.
The preto theory is 80-20.
Whether it's 10 or 20%, it's not a big number.
I'm telling you right now, it is not a big number.
Go back to your classroom and think about who was like, okay, yeah, okay, yeah, okay, yeah.
And then think about some of the guys that are like, well, how about this?
How about if we try this?
How about this?
What about that?
Why do we do this?
Why did this take place?
What about that?
What about this?
There is the why person.
I want to know more.
Tell me, give me some depth in this, right?
So then how do you have massive cultural changes?
Like, how does slavery end, if that's the case?
How do things evolve?
How does it end?
Yeah.
Because somebody questioned it.
So one of that 10%, one of that 10% comes out.
Of course.
And then they are able to convert.
Go back to 10%.
Go back to Armenian.
Go back to genocides.
Go back to any of these events that took place.
Man, like when you're in it, you don't even know when you're in it.
You're thinking there is no out.
But there is a 10%, small percentage that has faith that this can change and they're willing to stand up.
Slavery stopped because of who?
Does that 10% of the time?
Let me ask you a question.
Let me ask you a question.
This is not no conspiracy theory.
It's just the question I'm about to ask you.
Okay, so don't flip out here, folks, who are, you know, this is just a question.
The cause of Lincoln's death.
The doctor?
Abraham Lincoln.
The cause of Lincoln's death.
You know, at the Ford Theater.
Everyone's been there.
You've seen, okay.
What was the cause?
Is it just a black and white cause?
No, it was a series of events.
Okay.
The security guard leaving his post.
You know, John Wilkes Booth, obviously, the conspiracy shooting.
And then a lot of people think that Lincoln could have somehow survived it.
The doctor might have actually accelerated his death, too.
Well, okay, fine.
Go put a percentage on it.
Do you think people like the fact that he stood up as a Republican against those who liked slavery?
No, literally half the nation left.
Okay, so that's the point there.
Look at this guy who's a president who could have easily said, yeah, let's just go one more.
I'm not going to be the guy.
Let Grant be the one that fights for something like this.
This guy stood up for it.
How many people would have done that?
Not a lot of people.
Most people passed the buck, right?
That's a 10% community.
The 10% community is not, believe it or not, it's the 10% that has the courage to stand up and talk about stuff that others don't want to talk about.
What happened last night when we're talking to this guy?
I don't want to say his name because that's his business.
What did he say?
I just, you know, living in California, you saw where he was, living in California, and, you know, we were talking politics.
All of a sudden he went from zero to pissed off.
He was like this the entire time.
Yep.
Composure.
The next thing you know, right?
And we're like, and you live in California?
Yeah.
Dude, what the hell just happened right now?
That cost him his business.
Flips out, cost him his business.
Of course it costs him his business.
But guess what he says?
Yeah, I don't want to do the social media stuff because they come after you.
That's 90%.
Yep.
That's 90%.
Because who the hell wants that?
No, they're past the buck.
I'm going to pass the buck.
You try to do it.
No, no, no, I'm going to pass the buck.
Now I'm going to pass the buck.
They don't want the pressure.
I think the 10% of people who have the audacity to question are the ones that are going to save.
Man, this goes all the way back to our initial conversation about the kids.
You start reducing that percentage, you get the least amount of leaders that actually want to speak up and speak out and do shit.
By the way, there's nothing like, like, look, right now, I'm the host of this show.
I'm presenting this.
You guys are disagreeing.
I'm not offended.
This is how it's supposed to be.
This is how we're learning.
This is how we go back and forth.
Then I'm finding leaks in my argument and saying, well, like, I got a bunch of papers sitting on my desk to go look at.
This is how discourse takes place, right?
Where you get better.
This is how it is with the kids as well.
This is a conversation, but I think the 10%ers are going to like us.
I don't think the 90% of the audience likes us, to be honest with you.
I think if you're part of 90% community, a guy said this the other day on a Twitter.
He tweeted this.
I don't know if you guys saw this or not.
He said something to me the other day, and I retweeted and I responded to him.
He said, you know, I don't know what to make of you, Pat.
Oh, did you see that?
He says, I don't know what to make of you.
I saw that.
He says, he says, one minute you're this and one minute you're that.
I don't even know if I have it.
Maybe I, okay, there it is.
He says, Patrick, I really don't know what to do with you.
I just can't categorize you, which is frustrating.
You're like a moving target that is very difficult to hit.
One moment you're fantastic.
The next moment, you're very disappointing.
I'm at my wits and with you, right?
And I respond.
I said, there will be more changes coming soon.
So save yourself the frustration and agony and move on.
It doesn't sound healthy for you.
I wish you nothing but the very best.
You know why?
You know why?
Because we're questioning.
And we're like trying to get a little bit more to say.
Well, you know, I don't know.
You know, just put it together.
They want to define you.
They want to box you in.
They want to say, oh, no, this is him.
And this is what.
Oh, hold on.
What?
That doesn't add up, Adam.
It's more than that.
It blows their mind.
It's more than that.
They don't want to hear what you have to say.
They want to hear you saying what they want to say.
Oh, yeah.
That's exactly what they're saying.
They want to speak to an echo chamber.
You actually made a great point before about the intersection between politics and religion.
That is where we're at right now.
So when you can't have an intellectual conversation with something that's so emotional, right?
Normally it would be or the way it was supposed to be, politics were intellectual, right?
It's a discussion about how to allocate resources in government, right?
There's always a sliding scale.
There's sometimes we need more.
There's sometimes we need less.
And it should always be open for discussion, right?
Religion is, for people, it's eternal.
It's the eternal truth.
This is, I am right, everybody else is wrong, and I'm betting my eternal soul on it, right?
So there's this idea of when you question someone's religion, you're questioning their entire identity.
You're not questioning their decision-making in the moment.
You're questioning who they are as a person.
So as people have taken their politics and they've taken their political perspective as their religion, as their worldview and as their personality, you can't disagree with them politically because now you're disagreeing with the essence of themselves.
You're saying, you're a bad person.
You don't understand?
And that's a really, really dangerous place to be.
I want to give a couple shout outs here for comments that people made, super chatters.
So we got Sandy Butler, I'm sorry, Smedley Butler III.
Pat, you asked your crew a few days ago about the new world order.
I've also heard you mention numerous times China being our number one enemy.
But what if there's an even bigger enemy, an even greater threat to our lives and freedom?
So Smedley, I appreciate that.
And I'm reading a few books on that topic right now.
Maybe we'll have a follow-up on it.
And then 50 journeys.
Yeah, we did a how-to on that.
Yeah, yeah.
Today's video, how-to, is actually a biggest threats to America.
But anyways, PBD, I agree, children are born with no left or right until they encounter an influence.
If you have children without any sway, without parents in a bubble, they will naturally flow one way or another without prejudice.
I agree.
I'm leaning towards what he's saying as well.
So, you know, 50, thanks for that.
And then we had Chico Lopez commented about Chico Lopez gave me a heavyweight belt a couple years ago.
Oh, man, that belt.
Chico's freaking a beast.
And Chico's trying to give me a dog, by the way.
He said, bring Tyson Fury.
He was bred to be a world champion.
He's a top dog and a friend.
He is getting a litter-made puppy to yours.
He is awesome.
Never give up going to London.
Chico, why don't you set that up and let's get Tyson here?
We'd love to have him.
Did you guys end up watching a fight or no?
Did you watch it?
I didn't watch the fight.
None of you guys watched the fight.
Did you watch the fight?
One of the sickest fights I've ever seen.
Crazy, crazy.
Sickest fights I've ever seen.
People are giving Deontay Wilder crap for not being a good sportsman.
The dude just took a beating.
Yeah.
What do you want him to do?
He didn't know where he was.
You think he's done?
Deontay Wilder.
Psychologically, he's done.
It's a tough one, man.
I don't think he's done per se because that right hand should have knocked out Fury multiple times.
If anything, he's probably sitting here like, what's going on?
Have I lost my powers?
Like, I don't see Anthony Joshua beating Deontay Wilder.
I just don't know.
Do you want to watch it?
I don't.
I don't.
We were trying to figure out what's the next fight.
I think if Olchek and Fury could be good.
That's David and Goliath.
And by the way, that's fine to see that, but I tell you, if he doesn't beat Fury, he's psychologically done.
Deontay Wilder, if you're listening to this, there's one fight to make.
Logan Paul.
Deontay Walter need to be mentioning Deontay Wilde's name.
No, Gerard.
It has to be all about Tyson Fury.
This guy is by far and away the number one heavyweight.
He's making boxing.
Without freaking Tyson Fury doing what he does, we'd be talking about the over here.
Many agreement.
He's a guy.
Forget about Deontay Wilder.
I don't care if he stays boxing.
He's done.
He's not fighting Fury anymore.
He's beat his ass three times.
Did you replace Tom Zenner?
I love it.
You sound like a guy named Tom Zenner.
Conspiracy is always wrong.
No.
Speaking of conspiracy there, Daniel Cormier, who I love.
Did you hear him talk about how Deontay actually knocked out Fury?
That was a crazy Andre Ward and Daniel Cormier going back and forth on Twitter talking about how long the standing eight count Fury got on the second knockout knockdown was I was like, I don't know.
Yeah, by the way, you know, the Dustin Poitier interview is going being picked up all over ESPN.
Was ESPN reached out to us yesterday?
They reached out because they're going to use like 30 seconds of the clip because a couple comments he made.
He said that the biggest puncher was who?
Connor.
Connor.
He said, doesn't matter what year it was.
He was the biggest puncher.
He said, Khabib, he says, you don't even know what to do with that guy with Khabib.
And then when I asked him the question, who would replace Dana White if Dana won they wanted to step away?
I said, can you see Connor doing it?
He says, no, I can't see Connor doing this, but I can see Daniel Cormier doing it.
So he gave Daniel some love, you know, for replacing.
He's a smart guy.
Yeah, can you like DC running UFC?
I can see it.
That's pretty sick.
But Dana White's not going anywhere.
Not any time, not any time.
Connor replaced DC in the booth, though.
I want Connor McGregor in the booth.
Does Connor ever fight?
I don't want to step out.
I want to fight this guy.
Yeah, Connor.
Does Connor ever fight again?
He's partying litter too much, man.
His post yesterday, I don't know.
He's injured, but he's an athlete through and through.
He'll come back.
Yeah, Connor will come back.
Take a couple years.
Be constant.
Listen, it's really hard to get up and put in the miles when you're waking up.
You're in the satin sheets, right?
Silk pajamas.
I'm calling Connor McGregor out right now.
Connor, you're listening to this.
And you want to come back.
David.
David, give it to me.
Give it to me, Connor.
All right, let's go Southwest Airline Story.
There's your sports section that we had.
Page five, Southwest Airlines.
Folks, if you're thinking about flying Southwest, you may want to skip it.
Well, it's not just Southwest anymore.
It's going to be canceled.
So, Southwest Airlines canceled 1,800 flights this weekend, a morning brew story.
Southwest Airlines weekend was as chaotic as its boarding process.
It canceled over 800 flights on Saturday, more than 1,000 on Sunday, representing 28% of all flights scheduled for Sunday.
They blamed air traffic control issues, a staffing shortage, and a disruptive weather, but no other airlines seem to have those problems.
The FFA said in a statement that, yeah, there were a few hours of delay due to staffing issues in Jacksonville, Florida, but that has been resolved Friday.
What could be contributing to the cancellation, Southwest runs a point-to-point route network where a single delay can create an avalanche of other flight disruptions.
But they're not touching on the real issue.
I think 30% of employees at Southwest are not vaccinated and they're being forced to work and they're not wanting to, which means as of today, one of the airline pilots was being interviewed yesterday.
He says, what would typically take two days to arrive for Amazon now?
It's going to be three or four days.
So there's going to be some kind of effect to it.
But who's actually looked into this?
Have you actually looked into this or no?
Have you specialized?
I have, yeah.
Thanks to a big fan of the show and a guy who's running for Congress up in a former director from LA who's running for Congress in Tennessee named Robbie Starbuck.
He's been doing some unbelievable work on this.
And they're a stud, by the way.
He's a stud.
A great last name if you want some sponsorship.
They're calling it the freedom flu.
The freedom flu.
So as of, according to Mr. Starbuck, as of this morning, 200 plus Northrop Grumman employees called out sick today and protested in front of Northrop Grumman.
This is how it goes, guys.
This is disobedience.
This is how you take your power back.
If these guys want to play their power games, you don't have to be powerless.
You can get together, but it only happens apes together strong.
It only happens, like the guy last night you're talking about, he's afraid to speak because he feels like he's alone.
And that is why you speak to find out you're not alone.
All right.
You speak up when you're right, you're right.
All right.
We talked about it two podcasts ago.
All it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing.
If you know in your bones that you're right and you're standing on the right side of history, speak up.
All right.
Be prepared to have your career be killed on that hill, and you will be surprised.
You will be shocked by how many of your fellow humans and your neighbors are decent people and they will stick up for you.
But you got to, like kind of like Pat was saying before, you got to be that 10%.
You got to be that person willing to step up and step out.
And everybody else will come.
I'm telling you, everybody else will come to you.
Adam.
I mean, I don't know about you guys.
This is why I only fly private these days.
Enough of this.
Me and Samuel, all we do is fly private.
Samuel and I.
I think the ironic part here is, and I'm not sure if this genuinely has to do with, I think Southwest Pilots, the union, sued Southwest over the vaccine mandate.
I don't know if that's what it is, but the ironic part is they're saying that it was the disruptive weather that was limiting.
No other airlines were dealing with bad weather.
I don't know why they say that.
These flights are canceled for a case of let's go, Brandon.
But are Southwest the only airline that is mandating vaccines?
Is that what it is?
No.
Why'd they say it?
Matt, you have a point.
What is it?
I'm asking you.
Why do you think they said weather?
Well, obviously it's not the weather.
So they're looking for a scapegoat here.
So I don't know.
I don't know what's the scapegoat.
Phil, tell me something, baby.
I don't know.
I'm saying, man.
I don't know.
To be honest, I fly private or American.
I don't mess with Southwest.
All right.
So when it's weather, you don't have to pay.
You don't have to take care of the customers.
Oh, is that what it is?
Think about it.
Anytime there's a weather delay, do you get reimbursed?
No, they're like, we'll find you another flight.
And only if you have like certain crazy status will you ever get a voucher hotel or something.
After three hours on the phone begging for it.
Right.
Was any other airline even remotely close to the 2,000 flights canceled?
Like, there's anyone who has cancelled, but there was 200 flights and 26,000 flights that were delayed.
But that's when they're saying this.
So it wasn't bad weather this weekend?
No.
No.
Oh, so it was all BS.
The air traffic control again.
There was no air traffic controllers.
They shut it down.
Shut it down.
Just, hey, look, the truckers, the truckers out in Australia.
Imagine what will happen if this type of mentality continues.
Apes together strong, baby.
The holidays may be a little bit darker winter than even Fauci says because you're not going to get your toys on time.
You're not going to get certain supplies on time.
Hey, the GW bridge is only two lanes.
That would take two truckers to park their semis on the northbound and the southbound side, going into Jersey and going into New York, get out and walk.
And the whole bridge would be shut down.
Why do you have a smile on your face while you're saying that?
Because he's hoping it happens.
All it would take.
I would never wish that on my worst enemy to be stuck in GW traffic.
But I'll tell you what, you wanted to make a point about mandates and where Chris Howard gets his ideas from, buddy.
Now we know where Chris Christie gets all his brilliant ideas.
Only nutrition tips.
That's it.
That's all I give.
Fantastic.
That seems to be working out.
Fantastic.
John Gruden.
John Gruden.
John Gruden's story.
Let's do a light story.
Ain't that light?
No, this is a light story here, guys.
John Gruden's a good football coach.
Okay.
John Gruden used racial trope to describe NFL PA chief DeMaurice Smith in 2011.
Emailed the Wall Street Journal on July 21st, 2011, National Football League and its players were working to resolve a lockout that threatened the upcoming season.
That day the league owners voted to ratify a new collective bargaining agreement, but the players opted not to vote on it immediately, citing outstanding issues that the union was fighting to resolve.
That same day, John Gruden, the colonel Las Vegas coach, Raider coach, who has been one of the most prominent figures in the NFL over the past two decades, sent an email to Demarius Smith, the executive director of the NFL Player Association, to a team executive.
Gruden's email describes Smith was a racist trope common in anti-black imagery.
Domboris Smith has lips the size of Michelin tires.
He wrote in the email.
The NFL is reviewing Gruton's status with the Raiders for potential discipline.
Yesterday, the tweet comes out saying that Adam Schaefer, I think, came out and said he is probably going to step, he's going to get fired.
And then an announcement was made that he resigned.
And John Gruten is no longer the head coach of the Raiders, which they were off to a decent start.
And there's a couple other stories that came out as well, but that's what I'm going to stop right here.
If you've got any comments, Adam, I'm going to start with you first.
Well, this really resonated with me when I saw Randy Moss weigh in on this over the weekend.
Did you see Randy Moss break down in tears?
Look, I think the NFL is 70% black.
Okay.
It's clear that, I don't know, less than 20% of the NFL coaches are black.
I think it's 10% of the GM or the front office that are black.
And this was just, I'm not saying that John Gruden's a racist.
I am saying that he's a fucking idiot.
He completely lost his locker room.
What's Al Davis' son's name, Mark Davis?
Okay, they were known for the bad boys of the NFL, but this is not the bad boys that you want to be these days.
Okay, so he's lost the locker room.
If 70% of your team is black, how do they even respect you at this point?
You know what you're doing when you're calling dumb Morris Smith and using racist tropes like huge lips or the size of Michelin Tires.
Apparently, he was also using some anti-gay slurs about Michael Sam, the gay guy that was drafted by the Rams.
He was talking major crap about Roger Goodell, calling him a P-U-S-S-Y and a F-A-G-G, whatever, whatever.
I'm sure he's the first person ever that called Godils.
No, I'm sure.
Well, Godell gets hated on a lot.
But I think at the end of the day, he was a complete distraction.
And if he stayed on as coach, this is something that the Raiders would be dealing with all year.
And I don't think it's a ironic that they've lost their last two games since this has kind of been out in the news.
And they lost to a not that good of a Bears team with a rookie quarterback over the weekend.
He's lost the team and he had to go.
Okay.
Listen, we saw with Brett Kavanaugh.
Listen, in your interview with the Facebook moderator, the fact that anybody can read any message that's ever been on any Facebook platform, WhatsApp, Instagram.
If we're all going to be adjudicated for shit that we said 10, 11, 12 years ago, there's going to be a lot of people that got a lot to fucking answer for, boy.
Let me tell you.
All right.
And I'll also say, and I'll be controversial, okay?
Black people are not a protected species.
You can't just say that he said something that can be construed as racist, and that's a career death sentence.
All right.
Especially in a league where Deshaun Jackson said anti-Semitic things.
Deshaun Watson.
No, Deshaun Jackson said anti-Semitic things that were, I mean, he quoted a man who quoted Hitler.
He didn't lose his job in the league.
He quoted Farrakhan, I think.
Yeah, he didn't lose his job in the league.
I mean, I think that what John Gruden did is stupid, inadvisable.
He thought that what he was saying was private.
He was probably trying to be edgy in a private conversation.
Also sent naked photos of women and stuff like that.
It's a bad look.
It's a bad look for the guy who's the CEO of the organization.
I get all that, but he should have never apologized, first of all, because the people that have a problem with this stuff, they're never going to be like, okay, well, he apologized.
He's going to learn from it.
No.
Never freaking apologize.
That's number one.
Never backpedal.
If you believe in your heart of hearts that you're not actually racist, if you believe in your heart of hearts that you're not actually misogynist, and this is just the language that you grew up and the times that you grew up in, then explain it like that.
All right.
But as soon as you backpedal, as soon as you apologize, you give credence to your accusations.
Okay.
That's number one.
Number two, if the NFL is really has a problem with homophobic slurs and misogyny, then how in God's name is Snoop Dogg, Eminem, and Dr. Dre the halftime of performance this year?
Why'd you take so much shit?
I'm just saying, if you really have a problem, and I love Eminem and I love Dr. Dre and I love Snoop Dogg's music, okay?
But if this is really an issue, then how are they your Super Bowl halftime?
There's a difference between a performer who comes in for 15 minutes and a half time.
Just call it what it is.
There's a difference between your white guy.
Just say what it is.
I don't think that's what it is.
So I think if a black guy said this about white people, he'd be fired too.
How?
Deshaun Jackson.
We literally just showed it.
That shouldn't happen.
That's a one-wide receiver.
This is the face of your team.
You have to be a little bit more.
The coaches are face of the team?
The Raiders, for sure.
They just brought him out of the announcing booth.
He hasn't coached in 15 years.
Okay.
And they made him everything and everything for the Raiders.
So to your point.
It's not like he's some scrub wide receiver.
Deshaun Jackson's not a scrub.
That guy's been on 12 teams in 12 years.
Right.
So you got Gruden, 10 years, 100 million.
They're like, let's get him out of here so we can save some money.
I don't know.
Three and two, right?
Is the record?
That they currently have.
Look, this is back in July of 2011.
This is bullshit.
It's bullshit.
You're bringing up stuff from like 10 years ago of this stuff.
Like, if it was that damn serious, people do what they want to do.
If you really thought this was an issue, you would have done something then, which you should have done.
So, Roger Goodell, all you people that were involved, raise your hand and say, well, I didn't really care about it 10 years ago, but I sure do now.
And explain.
Because we need an explanation.
Because you know what?
If they pulled up something from me 10 years ago, they say, Phil, you thought this way?
I'd be like, yeah, back then, but I don't do now.
And no, like at the end of the day, what Gerard is saying is right.
You run a sports organization, okay, when you have certain people perform at the biggest event pretty much in our country, which is the Super Bowl, right?
Billions of dollars involved.
And you have people like Eminem that have said the word F-A-G-G-O-T plenty of times and the stuff that Snoop Dogg has said plenty of times.
You got to call a spade a spade.
Here it is, Adam.
That's a spade.
You're going to call it or not?
Because they are representing your brand during that time.
If they were, okay, let me ask you this.
If R. Kelly wasn't, you know, behind bars, and he was supposed to do the Super Bowl, what were your thoughts would be?
You say, hell no, he's not representing the NFL, this and that, and the other, but you got these guys representing the Super Bowl.
There you go.
Eminem from 2012.
Ready?
I may fight for gay rights, especially if the dyke is more of a knockout than Janae Rice.
Play nice bitch.
I'll punch Lana DeRay in the face twice like Ray Rice in broad daylight, in plain sight of elevator surveillance, to the head is banging on the railing, then celebrate with the Ravens.
And what name one thing?
And what team does Eminem coach?
He's performing for the entire nation.
Hang on.
I'm trying to, I'm trying to, because there is a point here.
So what you're saying is the comment is irrelevant.
It's the status of the individual making the comment is what you're saying.
Okay.
So you're saying a player can get away with making any comment at all and a rapper can get away with it, but not a head coach.
That's what you're saying.
I did not say any comment.
A player can't get away with any.
We saw what happened with the guy on the heat who said some to Luca Montres Harrow?
No, no.
What was the center?
Miles.
He said something anti-Semitic, right?
Yeah, I forget his name.
What happened to him?
He was released from the team.
He was injured.
He's gone.
Players can get it too.
You got to understand: if you're the coach of the team, NFL is very fickle.
If the sentiment of the team or if the mood of the team sways a little bit, they're looking for heads to roll.
So I got a few.
This is the coach of the team.
I don't saying this.
I think you make a good point there, and I think that's something to process to say a leadership person is held to a news.
Myers Leonard is the guy I'm thinking about.
So now you're ready?
Now you're ready for this?
Now you're ready for this?
Okay.
When he said it, was he a head coach?
He was an announcer, I believe.
So he didn't, he never made that comment as a head coach.
He made that comment as an announcer.
But wait, let's go through each.
He made that comment as an announcer working for who at the time?
10 years ago?
He was a former NFL coach.
Who was he working?
No, no.
He was the coach of the Tampa Bay.
They won a Super Bowl and you made that comment.
Who was he working for?
ESPN.
Okay.
So you don't think ESPN knew about that?
I don't know.
Maybe.
Maybe they did.
But wait a minute.
Let's actually process this.
You don't think ESPN knew about that comment made 10 years ago?
I don't know.
Okay.
I don't want to speculate and say yes or no.
I don't know.
Speculate.
Are you leaning more towards yes or no?
I literally don't know what ESPN knew.
But if you were to play Odds Vegas Gambling, are you leaning towards yes or no?
I'm not.
What do you think about that?
You think ESPN knew?
No.
Okay, you think ESPN knew?
I don't think so, just because, I mean, where was the data located off of someone's server or something?
Yeah, this is an email.
This is a data leak, right?
They're coming out because of sexual harassment allegations within the Washington football team.
So you mean to tell me Smith, the guy he sent the executive the email to, you think he's kept it a secret for 10 years?
But he didn't send it to him.
Sent it to Bruce Allen, though.
He sent it to Bruce Allen.
And he's kept it a secret for 10 years.
Maybe not.
Okay.
I'm not convinced ESPN didn't know.
Do you think ESPN knew?
I'm 55% they knew.
And I'm convinced ESPN is kind of like, look, guys, this cannot be tarnishing ESPN.
We are a clean image.
There's no way this can come out.
Now he's a head coach of the Raiders, $100 million contract, $60 million guarantee, all this other stuff.
Screw it.
You know, let's now bring it out because there's other stuff coming in.
Throw that email in there as well.
Okay, cool.
So people hang on to stuff for a long time, by the way.
Just so you know, this isn't the first time that somebody's hang on to an email with somebody.
You push a little bit too much.
And he made some bad comments about Biden and Obama.
Can you go pull up what comments he made about Obama and Biden?
But I'm going to go to a different angle here.
I'm going to go to a different.
So that's one area.
I understand the coach thing.
When you're a coach, you have to be careful with the words what you're saying.
Let me go to the next part.
Especially when 70% of your players, if not more, are black.
When he made the comment, he worked for ESPN.
ESPN should have fired him if they knew about it.
It's important to mention this, though.
And I do believe him when he says this, because in the email, he praised Gene Upshaw, who is black.
If he really meant D. Maurice Smith as, you know, this was like a racial.
Obama and Biden.
He claims he meant it as a liar.
This guy's lying, right?
And in the context of the rest of the email, it makes sense.
He's talking about him as a liar.
I have to state one fact here.
How old do you think John Gruden is?
54.
Do you want me to read?
He's 58 years old.
He's 58.
So these emails that came out seven, 10 years ago, he's a 50-year-old man.
Okay?
Making these dumbass comments.
Talking to his friend.
I don't care who he's talking to.
You're a head coach.
You're a face of the NFL.
It's not like he's 18.
Like, if someone's 16, 18, 20, and they make some dumb stuff, they have some time to grow up.
I know your brain.
I know your mother wants to be a bad.
You're a 50-year-old man.
I know your mother wants to be a rabbi.
Let me tell you, bro.
You're 40 years old.
You ain't no rabbi, dog.
You're a 40-year-old making some weird comments when we're off camera.
That's not like, you know, saying it on camera.
No, no, no, but you should.
No, no.
There are some stuff that you say off camera that you would never say on camera.
You probably say worse stuff on camera than I'm camera.
I disagree.
Let me go to my next point.
Let me go to my next point.
Okay, fine.
You're saying he was 50 years old.
Here's my next point.
He made a few comments about Obama and Biden.
If you can find that well.
Are you saying you're defending John Gruden?
What's your stance on that?
Can I go through my question?
Okay, here's my next point.
12 points.
My two points.
My next point is this.
What's the value of an apology?
Nothing.
Nada, zip, zilch, what's zero?
What is the value of an apology to you?
I tend to agree with Gerard that apologizing is just nothing.
I won't say it means nothing, but I don't know.
So you know what is very irritating?
It's because when commentators who defend players who are about to get fired, they say, give the man a break.
He at least apologized.
What are we here judging this man?
We've never done anything before.
So everything is about the argument that makes sense.
Montres Harrell said, bitch-ass white boy to Lucas.
How good of a word is that, by the way?
I mean, if you want to go through it, that's as bad as it gets.
I've been called a bitch-ass white boy in the basketball court 10,000 times.
Should Montres Harrell be fired?
No, but he's just one player.
I think you have to distinguish between a player, like a Deshaun Jackson type, or a Myers-Leon.
Or the head coach of a team who's leading the men.
Montres Harrell is a grown man.
He's a grown man.
The moment you're that age, you're a grown man.
Over.
You're grown now.
You're no longer a kid.
He's not a leader.
He's a leader for his, he's a leader for his community.
He's a leader player.
No, that's not how this works.
You can't change standards on different people, bro.
What am I doing?
A standard for a coach and a player is the same thing.
What standard?
Oh, no, I totally disagree.
Okay, so that's on you, though.
By the way, when Gruton have zero standards against a player, then it has nothing to do with the comment.
So you're saying LeBron James is not the leader?
You're going to say the best player of all time other than Michael Jordan?
Yes, he's a leader.
The 12th coach, right?
Yes.
The 12th man.
That's like the 12th man on the bench is not a leader.
Pat, it's very clear.
All right.
And Adam, you've won me over.
It's very, very clear that what Montrez Harold did was mostly peaceful.
Whereas these emails are clearly an insurgency into something that.
Yeah, I don't know.
You're always got to go.
If you're going to lead men, you need to set an example.
Okay, Gruten reportedly aimed homophobic slurs at Godell in several instances, as well as using the offensive language to describe NFL owners, coaches, and media.
Even Barack Obama, Joe Biden were reportedly mentioned in Gruten's email with Gruten ripping Obama during his 2012 re-election campaign and referring to Biden as a referring to Biden as a nervous, clueless.
What would those other four letters after PB?
I don't know.
But anyways, we can.
Pixie.
Yeah, Pixie.
Pixie.
So look, all I'm saying is: if you're going to put the standards awards, it's got to be across the board.
I disagree.
Oh, yeah, you have the right to disagree with that.
But if you're going to say a word is that offensive to a sport, stay consistent.
Roger Goodell.
I am.
Show us a level of consistency.
So any player that says something, you're cut.
You're cut.
What I'm trying to.
I don't think you should.
I don't think you should cut the guy.
I think when you're in that environment, I don't think you should.
Okay.
Coaches, are most coaches like very proper 21 coaches?
How are coaches loudmouth, crazy?
You know who's scared right now?
You know who's scared right now?
The Ryan coach.
Who's the Ryan coach?
Rex Ryan's got to worry right now.
You know who else has got to worry?
90% of these guys got to worry right now of what they've said.
So what are you going to do?
Everybody, you know what just happened in the last 24 hours?
In the last 24 hours, probably 7 million emails have been deleted in the NFL.
Oh, my God.
Shred it off.
Everybody had a meeting and said, delete everything.
Pat, I was an all-state linebacker my senior year, and my coach called me baloney tits every day in practice.
All right.
So like, come on.
I call you that every day.
That's why I like this.
Did they fire the guy or no?
No.
I'm offended.
Let's go find a guy.
I got to tell you, man.
And again, this is controversial.
I really don't care.
I'm sick of people treating black people like they have no agency.
I'm sick of it, like, oh, God, how could he possibly have said something so horrible?
What happens if he used the N-word?
But he didn't.
I'm asking you an example.
If he did that, if he did, fireable.
Yeah.
If he called someone a monkey or an ape, is that fireable?
Oh, okay.
In what context?
I'm asking you as a black man.
Oh, you're saying if a man.
Look at Jamie and Smart Smith, this ape.
Is that fireable?
If you called him the N-word, that's fireable, though, right?
So words do matter.
But he did not.
So words do matter.
But you're saying it's slippery slip.
But you're saying words matter more.
Words matter, but for who, though?
You got to say, do words matter more if they're said from a white person to a black person.
That's what I was going to say.
Because, I mean, I'm not even looking at this as a black and white person.
Well, you missed it.
Well, they literally, they are.
They're calling it racist or misogynist.
Only one angle.
I agree.
However, Myers Leonard is a white guy who may say.
How many times has Snoop Dogg said the N-word and he's performing it at halftime?
I mean, this is what I'm saying, dude.
Well, that's a whole nother conversation we can have about black people saying the N-word.
You know, there's black people that wholeheartedly disagree with black people saying that, and there's black people saying, no, that empowers me.
It's a whole, we can go an hour on that topic.
But at the end of the day, there is a difference between a coach.
Like, Pat, you're a CEO of a company.
Yep.
To use your example, is there a big difference between you as a CEO or Matt Sapala being the CDO or Alexis Moody being marketing director, whatever, versus some random salesperson who just came to the organization last year?
There's a big difference, right?
Montres Harrell is not a random salesperson.
But there is a difference, though.
Montres Harrell is not a random salesperson.
Okay, John, but I'm asking you in the business context.
There is a difference between being the CEO, a C-suite executive, not just a regular salesperson.
So for standards-wise, there is really no one.
Let me get to that.
Do you think he really lost the room?
There is some set of standards.
That's why I give you credence at the beginning where I said, I think we have to give credence to your argument.
I said, yes.
I just think there's a difference in being a leader or a founder or a CEO versus a random set of people.
But I think you have to know when you're a player and you have some of these players have more followers than these coaches.
So that's an influencer.
Not even LeBron, Montres Harrel, John Gruden, Montres, some of these players have more followers than coaches.
They're an influencer.
You make a comment like that.
I'm sorry.
You're also following social media.
That is a form of a leader.
That is a form of an influencer.
That is a form of an example.
What?
I know a lot of slutty models with millions and millions of followers.
That's your community, though.
That is my community.
But I'm not saying that they're leaders, but their leaders are taking their clothes off.
In a space like we're still in the world.
You're saying if it's all just based on followers, that's like this.
If you want to.
But in OnlyFans, like your slutty friends, you're talking about.
Whatever you're talking about, this community, right?
Just saying followers doesn't mean you're a leader.
But the point in that community is that's across the board.
No one cares.
This is a sport.
There is a regulator at the top who his name is Roger Godell, who's the commissioner.
He wants to clean house to say some of these things are not expected.
Accept it.
You got to clean it up.
Then you got to keep that consistency across the board.
Very clear.
You can just say you can say it, but this person cannot say it.
You got to weaponize standards.
Why they weaponize these emails like this?
I mean, especially during the season.
I mean, there wasn't like an investigation where, you know, it took some weeks on end.
And, you know, like there's no system in place to say, hey, hey, John, you know, this is what we present to you.
You know, like we need to really have a chat about this.
You weren't working for, you know, as a coach, like what Pat said.
How do you feel about this?
Because we haven't had, and he could say, and John Grug could say, well, I haven't had any interaction like this over the past 10 years.
So what are we talking about?
What infractions do I have currently with this organization?
Well, there's none, but 10 years ago, you said this and this, and you called me a PU, you know, whatever.
And maybe you need some sensitivity training in this and that.
Okay, so by the way, what are we talking about here?
Like, I mean, do you think he lost the locker room?
Do you think I don't think he lost the locker room?
I mean, like, there would be more players standing up and stuff like that.
I think what happens, I think definitely what happens when this news comes out.
Look, I'm 41.
I'll be 42 this year.
I mean, we're all relatively, you're the youngest.
I'm not 23.
I'm not 25, making 50 million or whatever.
I could easily, me at 25, I could say, you know what?
I could hear maybe from like a seasoned veteran, like, I should be pissed.
And maybe I just follow.
I don't know.
Because that does happen in a lot of the way.
What happened to the coach of the Jacksonville Jaguars?
Urban Meyer?
Urban Meyer versus this.
If there's anybody that's excited about this news, it's him.
He was all up in the news for two weeks straight.
Now he's no.
Talk about a guy who lost.
That guy lost a lot of people.
Okay, so why?
Because he got a lap dance from a 25-year-old?
He didn't come back on the team flight, and then he did that BS for sure.
What's worse?
What?
What Urban Meyer did or what John Gruden did?
Well, we're talking about it.
Honestly, like, if I was in a locker room, I'd be like, I would, I don't know if I would give a shit about John Gruden.
But which is worse?
From a player's perspective?
From just an actual human being's perspective.
I could give a shit if a coach called me big lips.
Okay.
I'm just going to say it.
But you care that he got a leap.
Do you care if someone called you, said you said this before, someone making fun of you or whatever, saying I got a big nose and big ears?
I could give two shits.
I could give two fucks.
I'm just going to say it.
Sorry.
But for the F-word, but I could care less.
I've been caught all kinds of stuff playing ball in college in high school.
Oh, my gosh.
Back then, you could actually have your coach grab you back in the 90s and stuff.
So what Urban Meyer did was worse?
I'm saying that.
Urban Meyer bailed on his team.
Yeah, I think that was bad because he didn't take a flight back with his.
Yeah, he didn't take a flight back to Russia.
After a loss?
You stayed at his bar.
Why?
Because he was getting drunk with some chick.
He stayed at his bar.
He stayed at his bar.
I mean, he did.
Okay.
Okay, so.
I don't have a huge problem with what Urbaney was.
I'd be more upset if his wife, what the fuck were you doing?
Yeah, but if I'm his player, not a guy who's like, bro, you're a CEO of a company.
You're a CEO of a company that's worth a billion dollars and you do some shit like that.
Come on.
Employees are going to be like, what the hell, man?
Like, you're not supposed to be doing that.
You're supposed to be on the private private guy.
I got to take the jet back, but you don't.
I've got to take the jet back.
That's what ends up happening.
So Urban Meyer is worse in your eyes than John Gruden.
I don't know if, again, listen, if the team came out, all right, and listen, I'll give you this.
If the team came out and they were like, you know what, we can't be led by this man, I'd say, okay.
You know what?
Don't you think those conversations were taking place internally?
According to Mark Davis, son of Al Davis, badass dude, fire the guy or ask him to resign.
Because there must have been some rumbling.
I think there was a lot of people who were in the middle.
Arguably a top five receiver of all time break down in tears in ESPN.
But it's outside the organization.
I don't think it's inside the organization.
I think the pressure came from outside the organization.
I think it's probably a little bit of both.
I think you're right that it was definitely outside the Goodells of the world.
But I think internally, they're like, no.
How much does Gruden walk away with?
It depends on how much was guaranteed, right?
60 million, right?
Whatever.
That's the whole thing.
If there's any sport that is very cruel to you.
You pointy-nosed motherfucker.
Give me my 60 million.
Exactly.
I'll take it.
Call me whatever you want, bro.
Don't worry, call me whatever you want.
Don't worry, bro.
I got you.
I'll bridge you up.
Call me pointy all you want.
You know what I'm saying?
Man, this is crazy.
Anyway, we live in a crazy world, man.
Can you imagine how milk and toast every email from now on and through the end of history is going to be?
Bro, I have.
But what?
I guess here's a different question.
What's a statue of limitation?
So if you did it last year, that's wrong, obviously.
Last year, you did it pre-pandemic, two years ago.
That's still relatively recent.
That's wrong.
But five years ago, is that four?
What's the number of years that's acceptable?
It's table to go back.
I'll take what you're saying.
I'll take it a step further.
How about the words that we used 10 years ago that are considered like slurs now were just everyday language 10 years ago?
Like you talked about the F word.
We use that word all the time.
That F double G F A double G word and it had nothing to do with being gay.
It just meant like you were like a you were you were a wimp.
I think that I think just the three letter word of that was very used.
Non-stop.
The six letter word, not as much.
You have no idea.
You used that word before?
Which word?
That's it.
Get out.
That's it.
Get out.
You used the words.
The three-letter word.
Yeah, I've used that.
You used that before.
I've used it.
Guys, get him off the podcast.
Get him off the podcast.
I don't feel safe.
No, no, get them off right now.
I'm sorry you had to hear this.
Yeah, I'm so sorry.
First of all, listen, you baloney tits, motherfucker.
Listen to me.
All right, let's change it.
Let's go to a different story here.
Businesses say as many.
Businesses, this is a business insider story.
Businesses say as many as 90% of candidates don't turn up to job interviews and some quit soon after being hired.
You're basically hiring anyone that would show up.
Paul Horton closed his taco restaurant down in mid-September after being left with just two kitchen staff members.
Horton said he'd spent thousands of dollars advertising jobs at Taco Crush, but that only around 10% of applicants replied after he hired to arrange an interview.
Of those, he scheduled interviews with only 5% and 10% turned up.
You can't be choosy anymore.
You're basically hiring anyone that would show up.
Some of the businesses insider spoke to added that some new hires didn't turn up to their first shift or that they quit after just a few weeks.
Why would you go work today if you got money that's coming in?
Why would you even go want to put that effort in there today?
By the way, this is a interesting thing that I'm hearing about a lot with businesses where can you imagine like this goes back to standard conversation.
You're like, dude, you are so not qualified for this job.
But dude, just the fact that you're sitting here, you know what?
You're hired.
I have no other choice.
Good help.
It's hard to find.
Just look back.
I'm dead and Kai, bro.
Just the fact that you showed up.
That's definitely not Kai because Kai is qualified.
But what do you think about when you hear a story like this?
I don't think you're going to like what I have to say about this, to be honest with you, man.
I think that quit your bitch and compete.
You want better employees?
Pony up.
You're not offering a compensation package that's getting you the type of employee that you want.
Oh, nobody's going to work today.
Yeah, I don't know, man.
You think Apple's having trouble finding employees?
For a different job, though.
Those are specialists.
Do you think Tesla's having trouble finding employees?
Those are specialists.
Go get a job over there.
You go get a job over there.
Go get.
No, you go get a job at Apple.
Go get what?
Go, go get a job at Apple.
I want a job at Apple's.
Turns to fire.
Because I got a good job here.
After your most recent comments, you might be looking up your resume, buddy.
No, no.
But the point then becomes.
We already established.
I can be as anti-Semitic as I want.
Nothing will happen.
That's not fine.
That's fine, buddy.
I'll get 30 lawyers here in about seven seconds.
First of all, the comments he made in the past, he's done, but we already know that.
The comments he makes to Paul over.
That's a different story.
You got Paul to work at.
By the way, you know they say that the lowest paying employee at Facebook is at like six figures.
They showed it the other day.
The lowest paid employee at Facebook is at six figures.
Wow.
So no, no, no.
I did a story on that.
It was 90% like some employees are at six figures.
Everyone's making six figures.
However, there are people making, you know, $50,000 a year or something.
So underwriting staff.
But the point is this.
If you want that six-figure job, go learn coding and go apply.
I hear you.
Go for it.
But then if you want to open a Taco Bell knockoff, get yourself some robots.
What do you want me to do?
Because guess what?
This guy has to do.
Then that taco, that's $1.99.
He's got to charge $4 for it.
You okay with that?
Hey, listen, man.
Are you okay with that?
This is okay with Apple.
Are you okay?
This is the money.
But are you okay with that?
Anytime tacos go up in price, I am not okay.
All right.
The lunch is still damn good.
Pull the dot on your lunch.
Anytime tacos.
Gerard just said okay.
Gerard had an AOC moment.
Just pay his employees.
If you support AOC, just say it right now.
How much are you going to pay your payments?
These tacos are too damn good.
These tacos are too damn high.
These rich people.
I think that that's a guy bitching for no reason.
He's not attracting.
If you're not attracting talent, that's a self-evaluation moment.
Talent to be totally different.
This is not a talent, dude.
This is the talent thing, dude.
This is the lowest of the lowest.
I made Whoppers at Burger King, okay?
You know how much talent it required for me to make those Whopper, no onion?
It didn't take a lot of talent.
I would put the patties from the other side and I would line them up three, okay?
And they would fall off.
My patties would always break.
So if you ever had patties that were broken, a whopper, I'm a big paw.
I couldn't get these guys.
Totally.
It takes no talent.
Totally all of us.
And then I would try to put them pieces together like I'm playing this puzzle game.
And then they would say, no onions.
I would forget I would put onions.
And you're like, taking a bite, there's onions, right?
And all this other stuff.
But anyways, that was my job.
I didn't need a four-year or two-year degree.
Well, you should pay me more than whatever I was making at the time.
Maybe people feel like an hour of their life is not worth $7.
Then guess what?
You know what the business owner has to do?
Then this whopper is not worth $1.99.
It's worth $3.99.
And you got to pay for it.
But this is the market.
You know, there's this thing called capitalism.
I hear you.
And the math, because there's only 100 pennies in a dialogue.
Hey, wait, capitalism.
I love capitalism, but there's land, labor, and capital.
There's three different sides of it.
Of course.
Labor doesn't have to always take it on the chin here.
They do not.
And they do not take it on the chin all the time.
So if labor's telling you, I don't want to do your job, but this is not a specialized position.
I hear you.
What's he doing?
So then what you're suggesting is a $15 minimum wage.
Maybe what I'm suggesting is that this guy should go out of business, is what I'm suggesting.
If he can't attract people, all right, and he doesn't have the clientele.
No.
Bro, do you know what pain these, so first of all.
You're talking to a guy who went out of business, by the way.
You're talking to a guy that had to work hundreds of hours a week for 15 years to finally be able to have the situation that you're in.
So I understand the world of business and how it works.
These restaurant guys' margins, they're working on 5% bro.
What are you talking about?
So what, Pat, if he is having trouble attracting employees, what is his suggestion as to what?
So let me ask you.
Which, but what I'm trying to tell you is, this is a basic math question, and you're a math guy, okay?
So when you sit there and you go through what the cost of your patty is, what the cost of the meat is, the lettuce, the tomato, all the stuff.
Oh, it's all going up.
Which is all going up.
The cost of real estate, the cost of rent, the cost of electricity, the cost of cleaning crew, the cost of the cost of, I can go on.
Cost of insurance, cost of workers' comp, cost of everything.
This ain't cheap.
This is a lot of cost.
And then all of that, nobody else cares about your business more than you.
You have to work nonstop.
You're there 24-7, seven days a week.
You're missing practice.
You're missing time with kids.
You're missing all that stuff.
And your margins at restaurants are 5%.
How much is welfare?
So if they apply for welfare, whatever, government assistance, but they get paid more with that thanks.
Okay, then.
I don't know about employment insurance, stimulus checks.
Yeah, employees.
So my question is, okay, so you say like only 5% to 10% showed up.
Maybe they're just going to these businesses and saying no after they get applied, you know, just to show like six months.
You've got to be employed for six months before you can get on.
First of all, or just show that like, you know, like for someone to keep, yeah, you know, I applied, I applied.
Today, guys don't even, the lowest paying workers don't even have to go to work.
The math doesn't make it.
That's what I'm getting at.
But the point is, when a SACI comes out and says, if business owners decide to raise prices because of taxes, that is an unhuman thing to do.
Whatever comment she made like four weeks ago, we talked about it.
She's not an economist.
She is not an economist.
Neither is Gerard.
But the point I'm trying to make to you is you got a 5% mark.
The specific story is restaurant.
You got a 5% margin in this.
Do you know why companies like Facebook or companies like these software companies can pay what they pay?
You know what their margins are?
What do you think is the margin of these companies?
Don't say it.
I want to hear what he says.
What do you think their margins are?
Depends on the product, but I mean, their margins are through the freaking room.
I mean, look at Apple.
Apple doesn't develop a single game.
Yeah.
And they're the largest.
How much does it take to sustain the app?
Nothing.
You just have that platform, right?
They got 40% margins.
This guy's got a 5% margin.
So it's a very different world when you're talking about industries.
I agree.
Last year, we sat there and we looked at all our employees.
I sat there and I said, I want every position that I'm looking at in these 20% higher paid than we're paying right now.
You know what happened to the quality of people we hired?
To the roof.
But we could now afford it to get people like that, right?
Seven years ago, we couldn't.
Five years ago, we couldn't.
Now we can.
Here we go.
We brought seven C-suite executives new.
We went from two or three to seven new C-suite executives that we have with a bigger pay, with better bonuses, with better equity, because now we can afford it.
This restaurant guy is not a freaking rich guy that you think.
This guy's broke.
He's had a rough 18 months and he's dealing with 5% margins.
I don't think that he's rich, but I think that he's not entitled to other people's labor.
He's got to compete for people's labor.
Yeah, and just because he opened up a taco shop doesn't guarantee that he's going to be successful.
Nobody congratulations.
Guys, nobody is saying this, but you guys are disputing math.
You got a 5% margin you're dealing with.
So if I can campaign.
Who knows that going in?
Yeah. He knows that if things, maybe it's 10% as well.
Sounds like a bit.
It sounds like it's a business plan, man.
Guys, you're sitting here.
You're talking as if these are restaurants, tens of thousands of restaurants you go to.
These guys stop tomorrow and they say they don't want to do this anymore to serve you.
You ain't got a place to go.
You got to figure out a way for these guys to also survive.
Now, margins-wise, if you're saying you got to pay more, no problem.
But you also have to agree that they're going to have to raise prices towards it.
They're going to be raising prices.
So you're okay with that?
I'm not okay with it, but I'm not.
You can't.
You can't say pay employees more, but don't raise prices.
The inevitability of inflation.
Prices are going up anyway.
Why would somebody, you're going to have a, you're going to have, oh, I forget the term of it.
Social stratification.
No, there's a term for basically, it's like a disillusioned employee, right?
So like bread, when bread is a dollar making $7, fine, I'll do it.
When bread is $5 making $7 an hour, they're just like, screw it.
It's not even worth it.
It's an hour of my life for a loaf of bread.
I'm not going to work.
Then if you're okay with the guy raising prices to meet his 5% to 10% margin, then he should pay more.
You're asking me if I'm okay with inflation.
It's fine.
I'm not saying increasing inflation.
No.
You're saying to compete in a market, competing in the market is meaning I have to go above and beyond inflation to be able to hang with other people.
That's two different things.
You're not saying to raise it according to inflation.
No, because a guy across the street from me that's a $50 billion fast food joint and a restaurant, I can't compete with that guy.
Let me ask you this then.
Okay, let me take that.
Go back to the same Walmart than a market across the street.
Let me take that same logic, okay?
If I go up to that guy and I say, hey, look, your taco is $4, but I only got $3.
It should only be $3.
That's all I have.
I only make $9 an hour.
I can't spend half my money on taco.
Go elsewhere.
Those employees are going elsewhere.
Totally get it.
He's not paying enough.
I get this.
They go elsewhere.
It's too much.
You know how much money he's got in the bank.
You know how much he's got in the bank?
How much do you think this guy's got in the bank?
Don't care.
Maybe it's a business.
He's not entitled to being a business owner.
He needs to come up with a better business.
I don't disagree with the part that many people that are business owners shouldn't be business owners.
I don't disagree with that.
But the basics of math works this way.
If you want me to pay you more, I have to make my margin back in December.
Sure.
So I have to raise prices.
If you're okay with raising prices, I'll pay you more.
And if he raises prices and the market suggests that.
Then your product sucks.
Bingo.
Yeah, that's okay.
That's not a problem.
If you can't get employees, you have to do something to get employees.
But you just went from one angle thinking it's just a one-angle story.
Look, my thing is this, man.
Nobody is entitled to – I'm not entitled to that man's tacos.
He's not entitled to this man's labor.
Do you know how?
I'm not entitled to anybody else's cent.
Do you know what percentage, do you know how many people work in a restaurant business in America pre-COVID?
You know what that number is?
I would bet.
40 million high.
I would bet it's pretty high.
40 million people.
Yeah, you know.
Over 10% of the rest of the world.
You know how many of them don't have a job?
You know how many people in New York right now are getting crushed because they don't have the cash to survive.
You know how many people are getting destroyed because they can't get people to come back to work.
So they're like, dude, I don't even know what to do.
Hey, honey, can you come and work with me?
It's not because their product sucks.
The climate sucks.
This is not the small business owner's fault here to say, screw you, get the hell out of here.
I'm in the sales business, right?
My sales guys that go through certain things.
You have to understand the challenges they're facing at times.
When we first had the COVID, I'm like, you suck.
Here's what you got.
It's not how this thing works.
That's how innovation works, though, Pat.
Is he offering a right?
Is he offering paid days off?
What's he offering?
He can't offer more money.
What's he offering to entice people?
When you're small, you don't have a lot to offer.
That's why it's called small business owner.
49% of Americans work for a small business owner.
I love small business owners.
This guy sounds like a bad business owner.
It's not one guy, though.
We're not talking about one guy.
It's plenty of guys.
Let me say, Pat, whether this guy's got a good business model or a bad business model, it's almost irrelevant.
It's the climate that we're in.
What was it?
Two-thirds of people were getting paid more to stay home during the pandemic than to go to work.
So that's part of the climate.
Stimulus checks, unemployment insurance.
But let me say something.
If you're an employee right now, we've talked about the great reset, the great resignation.
People are, all right, I even like this job.
Maybe we're seeing left and right.
50% of the workforce is thinking about changing jobs.
If you're an employee right now, you talked about paying your staff 20% more.
I assume that's at PHP.
Now's the time to go get your raise.
I think if you're an employee, typically you get, what, a 2% to 3% raise a year, inflation, cost of living adjustment, all that.
Now, with inflation that's going on right now, now you should be looking for at least the minimum 5%, okay?
Minimum.
But if you're really good at what you do, you're talking about paying 20% more.
Go get your money.
The time is now.
Usually the power is in the business owner, right?
Or in the small business.
Hey, we create the wages.
You come work for us.
Now, for whatever reason, call it the climate, calling the pandemic, call everything that's going on.
Now's the time to go get your money.
So if you're in between jobs and you're not happy right now, go get your money and you'll get what the market pays you.
Yeah, okay.
The pain, the pain of a business owner.
If you're not one, you're not going to know the pain of the business owner.
If you don't know the pain of what a lot of these guys are going today that are creating jobs for people, you have no clue what it is.
You know, when we'll hire people and I'll judge people that work for a company based on one basic thing, it's very easy to say, you should give that guy a raise, but it's not your money.
It's very easy to say, we should do this more, but it's not your money.
And the guys that typically eventually end up being leaders are the guys that manage the money as if it's their own money.
This small business owner's margins are tiny.
You're throwing around stuff saying, well, you don't deserve to do this.
Yeah, say that to 100,000 restaurants today in America.
They're getting crushed.
So then the argument becomes that UBI is necessary for certain people.
The argument becomes, let's give some money to certain people.
I'm not with that, buddy.
I talk to these guys and they have probably more anxiety, panic, 18 months, divorces, challenges, kids, issues than you would even know today because of what happened last 18 months.
And now you can't even get people to go to work.
Yeah, that's what happens when socialism shows up and you give money away for free.
When you start doing that, workers don't show up.
Okay.
All right, let's go to the next topic here.
Let's see what we got.
Which one do we want to go to?
Let's pick one of these stories.
We cover Chippendale.
Let's go to the 130 countries.
Let's go paid seven.
Let's go to paid seven corporate taxes.
Washington Post story, more than 130 countries reached a deal on corporate minimum tax.
They have agreed on sweeping changes on how big global companies are taxed, including 15% minimum corporate rate designed to deter multinationals from stashing profits in low-tax countries.
The deal announced Friday as an attempt to address the ways globalization and digitalization have changed the world economy.
The agreement amongst 136 countries representing 90% of the global economy was announced by the Paris-based Organization for Cooperation and Economic Development, which hosted the talks that led to it.
The OECD said that the minimum tax would reap some $150 billion for governments.
The global minimum tax at 15% would apply to companies with more than $864 billion in revenue.
that's a million I don't think that no no that's a billion that's that's Annual?
That's worldwide billion.
That is billion, of course.
It's going to go from $150 billion to $864 billion if they apply this 15% corporate minimum tax across 130 countries who have agreed.
Thoughts?
Here's what I want you to do.
Because I think as the only one who is a full-on business owner, corporate business owner, why don't you give us the good, the bad, the ugly of this?
Because you've been pretty opinionated.
I don't think this has to do.
I think this has to do more with who doesn't get to compete.
Okay, so think about this.
How many planets do we have to?
How many options do we have on planets to live on today?
What?
The Earth and Mars.
Mars is coming.
Mars, Elon left the current, so he's probably got a little bit more time to focus on because his girl was a little bit of a distraction, maybe.
But we only have one planet, right?
I agree.
Okay, how many countries do we have on this planet?
What, 200 countries?
Let's say 200 countries, give or take.
Sometimes it's 195, sometimes it's 220.
Let's say 200, right?
Okay.
So if all of these guys all of a sudden agree on the same corporate minimum tax rate, where do you go if you're not happy somewhere?
Where do you go?
What's your option now?
What's your choice now?
What do you do now?
It's the same.
What are the countries that aren't signing on to this?
I guess that's that's that's right.
And by the way, the one country that Apple, Google, what was the one country tied that?
They're all in Ireland, right?
Yeah.
They were at 12.5%.
They're also agreeing.
And they finally went to 15%, right?
15%.
So why are they so excited about doing this?
Ask that question.
Why are you so excited about raising the corporate tax rate?
Where's the business?
I think they want to find that money.
Why is it, though?
What's the motive?
What's the real motive to want to do something like this?
I think a term you always use is a race to the bottom.
So like Hungary is at 9%.
Ireland's been at 12.5%.
You have countries like Russia, Saudi Arabia, 20%.
And China, I think, was at 25%.
Then you have the majority of the G7 countries somewhere around like 25, 27%.
So I think you always hear, and I am not a corporate tax finance guy.
You know, that's not my thing.
But you always hear about Amazon pays zero in taxes.
Apple pays zero in taxes.
How are they getting away with this?
Then you hear the argument that I remember you did it on the whiteboard with me.
Like, why are we paying any corporate taxes?
Because taxes are, individuals are taxed.
I think it's just a complicated payroll tax.
Yeah, all that.
So that's why, you know, the optics of it.
It's not only double tax.
You're getting triple taxes, tax on tax and taxes.
It's non-stop.
No, the money you're making, you're paying taxes on the income.
You're paying taxes on corporate.
You're paying taxes on sales.
By the time you really come down to what money stays with you, it's not as big as people think it is.
Now, the whole thing with 0% taxes they're talking about is how a company was worth a half a billion dollars, a half a trillion dollars.
Now it's a $700 billion company.
They haven't spent the money.
They've made $200 billion.
We should tax that valuation of the company that went up.
Or your net worth went up.
We should tax that additional wealth that you made.
You didn't do anything with the money.
You haven't taken it out.
It's just your net worth's gone up, right?
Not even capital gains.
There's not been an exchange yet for the stocks to, they want to add taxes to that.
But I'm asking another question here.
Why do you think they're so excited about raising it and making it equal to everybody?
Why are they doing that?
What's the motive there?
Well, when you want people to stop smoking, you increase the price of cigarettes through taxes.
When you want people to stop drinking, you increase the price of vice through taxes.
You want people to get off of gas and become carbon neutral, you increase the price.
I think that this is something you talked about the small business owner before.
This is, again, one of their things where only many, few, few, few international corporations are going to be able to take on the extra 3%, 4% in tax.
In addition, by the way, to the taxes that they have for import and export.
I mean, that was one of the big things that we have with China was the trade deficit.
This is something I was completely wrong about.
This is something I've changed my mind 180 degrees on.
I used to be completely supply-side.
I say, I don't care if there's a trade deficit.
I don't care if China taxes our companies 40% to import there and we tax them nothing to import here.
That helps me, the consumer.
I can have $6 underwear instead of $9 underwear.
That helps me.
You can get your third pair of underwear anytime you're on.
Yeah, yeah.
Off your girlfriend's floor, Adam.
Boom.
Damn.
Anyway, did you have a good time with that?
I did.
Hey, you ditched us.
It better have been good.
We want details.
Did she really come visit?
As you were saying about corporate tax.
Wait, you had him to check on the cats?
Adam, we were hanging out.
Yeah, dude.
Long story short, man, like only massive companies that have serious government interconnection are going to be able to handle this on a national level.
So, yeah.
What's this here?
Let me see.
What's going on here?
I never knew that corporate tax would be this risque.
It's a lot of underpants.
At the end of the day, we always talk about competition.
I mean, big business, they can compete.
Small can't.
That's going to affect a lot of people's way of living, especially in some of these smaller countries.
One of the things that I've been able to do, being a professional bodybuilder, was a travel world.
Who's going to cheat is what I'm thinking.
Oh, yeah.
You know, that's what I'm reading right now.
Like, who's going to cheat?
You think China's going to play fair?
Great point.
Well, China is not in it 25%.
They're not in it.
Are there allies?
Is China's allies going to cheat?
The big domino to drop here was Ireland, because Ireland was like the tax haven for all these major corporations at 12.5%.
Yours?
And they weren't.
They want a one-warp government so bad, dude.
If you can't see it, I mean, this shows it, right?
That's exactly what this is.
That's where the director is.
That's the direction.
I mean, where's the money going to go, essentially?
How do they enforce it?
Right.
How do they enforce what?
How do they enforce this?
Yeah.
What do you mean, how do they enforce this?
We have the IRS.
Yeah.
But we're talking about outside everybody has their own.
Each of these countries have their own taxes.
Each of these countries is going to get their money.
It's not going to be skirting the tax laws anymore.
That seems to be the bottom line.
So all these tax loopholes and paying zero taxes.
Sorry, corporate corporations.
Time to pay.
That seems to be the big win for yelling at Biden.
So basically a country like, let's just say Spain.
They say, okay, Adam, you did in our country $5 million or whatever.
Here's your bill.
And then I took a siesta.
Guys, $150 to $8.95.
That's how much is increasing.
$150 to $8.95.
That's a solid amount.
That's 6x overnight.
Okay.
And collecting taxes.
It's not a bad deal right there to make that kind of money.
Kai, are you trying to say something?
Yeah, I don't know how long this is going to go through because the thing with cartels like that where everyone has to be in agreement, the only successful cartel there's really been over an extended period of time is OPEC, which controls the oil prices.
But with here, all you need is one outlier to just drop through, and then all the countries are suddenly going to start falling to that country, and they're going to be making a lot of money that way.
Well, there's already countries that haven't signed on to this.
Yeah.
136 countries have representing what, 90% of the global economy.
There's still 10% lingering out there.
If you want to go business in Bangladesh, have at it, Hawaii.
That's one of the major economies that's not in it.
I don't know.
Can you see if you can pull it up in like 30 minutes?
Just think about, though.
Just think about how any improvement is.
Is this a bad thing?
Great and benevolent government.
This is a bad thing.
So why would all these countries go sign on to this?
Because they're greedy and because they're working towards a more.
I don't think that countries that want to get that money are greedy.
They want that tax revenue.
That's for what that is greed.
For what?
That's greed?
Well, we all want our money.
We're all greedy.
Taking tax revenue from what?
The people that are earning the money, the corporations.
They're earning money.
So what are they going to use this money for?
Whatever the hell they want as their government, right?
Exactly.
Kenya, Nigeria, Pakistan, and Sri Lanka.
Ireland is doing it.
So if you want to go do business in Kenya, Sri Lanka, Pakistan, have at it.
Out of the OECD, the only four countries that said no is Kenya, Nigeria, Pakistan, and Sri Lanka.
Okay.
Which is, you ain't got a lot of options.
Anyone trying to go do business there?
No.
You ain't got a lot of options there.
But I hear nightlife in Sri Lanka is actually not bad.
Ooh, I hear Djibouti is where it's at, though.
But that's your kind of a market, right?
Djibouti.
Anyways, hey, are we doing podcasts Thursday or no?
We are on on Thursday.
Okay.
We may have a special guest with us on Thursday, depending on calendar.
I don't know if we are going to or not, but we'll see.
So, folks, stay tuned.
We'll be back at it again this Tuesday, this Thursday, same time.
If you didn't get a chance to watch, if you're in a bodybuilding world, and if you didn't get a chance to watch Phil Heat's commentary with Gerard and Roy on Mr. Olympia that happened Saturday night, you ought to go watch it.
If you're in the bodybuilding community, you may want to go watch it.
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