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00:00 - start
5:06 - Mr. Olympia-Phil Heath
38:09 - Paranoid are those who survive
45:25 - New World Order
56:55 - Whistleblower Interview
1:15:34 - Facebook Shutdown
1:21:11 - Break up Facebook?
1:30:25 - Government Controlling All the Outlets
1:37:35 - Schumer puts pressure on raising debt limit
We don't want people to know the true story about slashing your tires.
Uh-oh.
I hear myself, and my one of the audios is up.
Anyways, hey, we are live, episode 93.
A lot's going on.
We got Phil Heath in the house, seven time, Mr. Olympia.
We got Gerard in the house, and we got sauce in the house.
Sauce.
You were just at an event yesterday or two days ago.
Tell us about it.
What was that all about?
It's called the Oslo Freedom Forum.
I was invited by your good friend, Gary Kasparov.
The what?
The goat of chess, the grandmaster.
The goat, the goat.
Yeah, he was there.
I said hi to him.
I actually had the chance to interview him.
Quick little interview.
He was the chairman.
He gave you a shout out.
I saw our good friend Yonmi Park there.
Uyghur activists, Nigerian activists, an Iraqi comedian who was hilarious.
Basically, these are people who fight for freedom.
The biggest takeaway is, and I might even curse here, like if you're in America, just be thankful and shut the fuck up and be happy that you're here.
I know Pitbull said that.
And, you know, it really crystallized what is going on all around the world, how bad things are for a lot of people, authoritarian regimes.
People went ham on China.
Ham.
Like, there was a, we can go, I mean, we went cover some of the China stuff today.
But it was, it was people from all around the world advocating for human rights, exposing authoritarian regimes, and just all about freedom.
This must have been very traumatizing for you.
I hope you're okay.
I don't know what that means, but it was good.
It was a great event.
We interviewed a lot of awesome people.
Valutainment got a lot of love from a lot of the fellow journalists and attendees.
And I think we'll have a great episode from you.
I love it.
I look forward to it.
And by the way, maybe, folks, maybe, because Mr. Olympia this week is with this weekend, right?
Yes, sir.
Mr. Olympia is this weekend.
And there may be a saw sighting.
Maybe.
We have to talk about it afterward.
There may be a sauce sighting because Adam may go, you know, you may do something there.
But at the same time, we were talking about whether you're into fitness girls, like, you know, competitors, things like that.
You were a little bit hesitant.
Was that like uncomfortable for you?
The models, maybe not fitness, strong models.
Extremely cut up six.
I don't realize there's bikini girls, too.
I'm all here.
So they got bikini Olympia competitors.
Okay.
You're not turning.
Here's the challenge, though.
Okay.
I got it, you know, I got a whole bag full of posing chunks, too.
So if you really have the urge.
All right.
Little closed down, pose down.
Yeah, man.
I mean, just, you know, throw some tan on.
Well, Lis definitely got to shave.
You know, grooming.
But I don't know if you've seen Gerard's Instagram.
His last five posts, he's had no shirt on.
He's dropped 50 pounds.
He's out there.
It's amazing.
He's out there.
Did you say no shirt on?
Not.
I haven't seen it.
Not just shirt button.
First time I've seen Gerard with a shirt on in about two weeks.
The only thing is we don't know if he has socks on.
That's the only thing because we couldn't see his feet.
That was the only thing.
But Gerard.
There's one tiny little tiny tiny black strip over his head.
You really did the tiny tiny time.
You really did that, though.
Hey, bro.
He has lost 50 pounds.
I'm going to tell you.
Gerard is making major progress.
Props to you, buddy.
You look great.
Your energy is different.
And it's great to see you in the shape that you're in.
So, Mr. Olympia, do you have any predictions?
You kind of have an idea what's going on.
Yeah, you know, right now you have the reigning champion, Big Ramy.
Yeah.
More than likely, he is the favorite.
He is the guy that's going to repeat.
Who's standing in his way is Hadi Chopin from Iran.
He's trained by my trainer, Hani Rambaud, and I've been able to see some picks.
He's looking really dangerous right now.
What's the chances of Hadi beating Rami?
I think it's all about who peaks not just on Friday, but who slams the door on Saturday.
I definitely feel that the way the judging criteria is, it's not swayed to just Ramy because Ramy has only peaked truly maybe a couple times in his career.
And I know his trainer Chad Nichols, who trained Ronnie Coleman, who worked with him for all those Olympia wins, understands how imperative it is to not just do Friday, but also Saturday.
The timing of it.
Chad.
The timing is everything.
I mean, that's something that I, you know, made sure of.
But with Hadi, he does not miss.
So I think with Ramy being the size that he is, he can miss maybe one of those days.
And then you have Brandon Curry.
I mean, you know, he's a former Mr. Olympia.
He's a one-time.
So that's really your top three.
And I'm really excited to see those three guys get up there.
And then you have the guys like William Bonek.
You have Nick Walker, Nick Walker, who just won the Arnold Classic.
A lot of hype going in.
It's going to be a lot of fun.
Does Nick stand a chance to be first place or no?
Okay.
No.
Top three?
Maybe if some guys miss.
How big of a deal is it to win the Arnold Classic going into Mr. O?
Like, is it a really, really big deal or not?
I think this year it helps him tremendously because of the fact that the Arnold was two weeks prior to the Olympia.
Normally the Arnold Classic is in March.
So you have like that.
Six months.
Yeah.
Is it healthy, Phil, to have it be that close to each other, like Mr. Olympia and Arnold?
I mean, health-wise, that's got to be.
It's definitely difficult to peak for a two-day show.
Doing a one-day show, I mean, that's easy.
Yeah.
But when you're doing a one-day show and then two weeks after that, you've got to do a two-day show.
You know, the peaking.
What do you mean?
What do you mean by peaking?
And like, how long is that window you're talking about?
So you have to consider, like, let's just say you have a Usain Bolt.
He's getting ready for the Olympics, but he's doing like an event, like an invitational, like, let's say a month prior.
Let's just say he wants a world record time in the world, you know, before the Olympics.
Is that smart?
Probably not.
Because you really want to win the Olympic final with the world record time.
So it's all about the timing.
So you kind of have to pace yourself.
But the problem is the body is not static.
It's very, very dynamic.
So whatever worked for Nick or anyone for these previous shows, you have to now realize that diet, that training, you might want to just rip that up and just look at what's going on with your body right now.
And that's something that a lot of people miss.
So a lot of people that even watch this, they've dieted, but because of the fact that their body does change and they didn't change with it, they miss.
So that's why all these fad diets keep going.
But bodybuilders have that problem too.
So you got for you, like, let's just say, by the way, does Vegas have odds on these things or no?
Does Vegas?
They should.
They don't, though.
But they don't.
Okay.
Why not?
Because it's kind of sticky with the.
That's very.
I would say if these guys can be bought.
Oh, 100%.
Oh, and bodybuilding.
Oh, you're saying that Mr. Olympia can be bought.
Oh, and boxing is different.
Okay.
I'm not sitting here.
I'll get bought right now.
I'm judging it, bro.
I'm not sitting here and saying it happens, but when you're like Pat said, there's a reason why there's no Vegas odds in this.
I mean, people could be compromised in some way, shape, or form.
I mean, we don't need to go down there.
That could be a whole nother thing.
So you think that's a good thing that there's no Vegas odds?
Yeah, I think so.
1 million percent.
Yeah, the integrity of it all.
At least in boxing, you know, boxing is one of the dirtiest when it comes down to manipulating and buying people out.
I've had people on that have told me, you have no idea what kind of people I bought and how easy it is to buy that, right?
In bodybuilding, it's very, what do you call it?
It's technical, yet you can kind of say, well, I can be a bit of a bad idea.
Objective, yet subjective.
That's the word I'm looking for.
So you can be objective yet subjective.
So if you look at all the Mr. Olympia champions, they're all different in their own way.
So, right now you have Ramy, like that's a guy that is pull up Ramy.
I would like to see Ramy right now.
Pull up big Rami Kai.
So, there's no one that looks like him.
He's like the modern day Ronnie.
There is not a Ronnie Robbie.
The guy's going to be over 300 pounds ribs.
Oh, damn.
No one's going to look like this.
Yeah, Kai, pull up some images of these guys.
Who are we looking at?
Okay, no, no.
Do the one with Ronnie and Rami right next to each other, even though it's not real.
Click on that.
No, no, Kai.
This is my Instagram post.
If you can pull up Rami, look at that right there.
To two of them.
Insane what Rami looks like.
So that's Rami on the right.
Phil was as big as these guys when he was winning the.
I was definitely not the same weight as Ramy.
Rami's on the right?
Yes.
And Ronnie's on the left.
Yeah.
So like when my last Olympia win in 2017, I actually did beat Ramy.
You beat the guy on the right.
Yeah.
Damn, Phil.
I beat these guys who were over 10 plus years, bro.
Seven year back to back to back.
I know who Phil is.
But Ramy is definitely one of those guys that even when I was winning, I would see him and say, if this guy gets in real good shape, he's going to be a problem for everybody.
So first place Rami, second place Hadi.
That's not in British shape, by the way.
Rami, Hadi, Brownie.
Probably Brandon.
Nick.
I don't have.
You know, it's funny.
I actually, my oddball is William Bonak because he didn't do the Arnold.
And I think it gave him maybe more time to peek for the Olympia.
Could he be top three?
I think so.
I mean, like, it's just.
Well, here's my money.
My money would be a 1A1B with Hadi and Ramy because they're so different yet.
Dude, if Hadi wins.
Oh, man.
It's sort of crazy if he wins.
This is Ramy right here.
Go on, Hadi Chopin.
Yeah, who's Hadi?
Hadi Chopin wins the Olympia.
I may have to drive up to Orlando to congratulate the game.
This guy gets the spelling right.
It's zero.
H-A-D-I.
Yeah.
There you go.
There you go.
But click on that.
Everybody's looking for that.
There you go.
They want that.
This is what people want.
They want Egyptian.
Is he Indian, Hadi?
The guy on the right is Persian.
So they want Egypt, Egypt versus Iran, basically.
Oh, he's Egyptian.
He's Irani.
But Rami's twice his size.
So he's just height way.
But when you look at the legs.
But look at even, but here's the thing.
Look at Ramy, but then look at Hadi.
Deeper cuts.
You know, much deeper separation.
So these are things that like.
This is the judging.
This has to be seen live because to me, it's indecipherable.
So here's what I would suggest: what if, Phil, on Saturday night, what if you go live and you watch Mr. Olympia live and you give feedback on it, and anybody that wants to tune in, they can tune in and see you giving feedback on the contest.
Fuck it.
I say we do it.
Oh, but you're not going to go.
No, I'm not going.
You're not going.
I'm not going.
Okay, why not?
Why not?
Why?
Why wouldn't the fans want to see me do commentary on the guys?
You'd rather.
Well, at the end of the day, I mean, I'm going to give these guys justice.
Okay.
You know, I definitely feel that they would want to know my opinion.
But more importantly, I've competed against these guys for over 10 years.
I understand their strengths, their weaknesses.
But I have no axe to grind either, which is great.
And I'm going to make it.
You're going to be unbiased.
Well, the best part is, and unfortunately, in our sport, it's one of those things where you happen to look at something and then you just shit on it because you're looking at their weaknesses.
And I think you don't sell the sport without, yeah, you're going to talk about the weaknesses, but you're going to highlight their strengths.
Because at the end of the day, this is what these guys train for.
It's the person who has the most strengths and the least amount of weaknesses wins.
I have a question for you, Phil.
And this may be the entire audience can kind of get some perspective here.
Everyone out there gets judged on their performance, their work performance, how they're looking.
You know, you show up to the office, oh, you're a rough night, but It's constantly.
You're on social media.
People are hating.
People are commenting, whatever.
You are putting yourself out there for the world to see literally every inch of your body.
Minus 100%.
My question is regarding self-confidence and body image.
Do you ever get on stage and be like, I don't know, I don't feel so good today?
The judgment, the cause of judgment, like every Instagram models are, you know, they clean up every little image, every little curve.
Are you thinking about it?
Are you constantly?
I'm thinking that, you know, before I get on there, I got to understand the mentality of it all.
At the end of the day, break that down.
You know what to get him for his birthday already?
100%.
One of those.
Absolutely.
I got him.
Yeah.
Okay.
I got you, bro.
Okay.
What color are you?
I'm Cheetah.
No, I'm thinking magenta.
Okay.
I could do it.
I can pull that off.
Would you take that picture and post it on Instagram?
How much money?
I could be bought.
I could be bought.
But at the end of the day, yes.
Bodybuilders have definitely, I mean, I'm raising my hand right now.
The insecurity?
Absolutely.
The anxiety that these guys and these girls are going through this week.
They've trained an entire year to get ready to go up on stage and be adjudicated by judges who may or may not like their physique.
And then they're going to be adjudicated by millions of people on social media.
To reduce the noise is what is key for each male and female that is competing this week.
Reducing the noise, staying within yourself, because there's this thing that my trainer and I call the F-Up fairy.
And the F-Up fairy is going to creep into your mind.
It's kind of like what fighters go through.
You know, they kind of go dark, they get weird, and sometimes that's how they get knocked the hell out in the first round because they really get in their head about what's going on.
It's important that each of these people know who the hell they are and realize that it's you versus you.
You cannot control.
It's not like boxing where you can go knock the person out.
You can't play offense, defense.
You have to make sure that you peak the best way you can.
And that's it.
And you just have to let the chips fall.
But the insecurity, absolutely.
The anxiety, absolutely.
I mean, I've had it.
It'll keep you up at night.
It'll piss you off.
I mean, you'll go through various emotions, but that's why the most emotionally intelligent know how to run this race.
Wow, and you've won this seven times in a row.
Let it go.
I think there's certain things in life you shouldn't aspire to do, Mr. Olympia.
Let me live my life.
I say you skip it.
Let me live a life.
I say you skip it.
Go be the wide receiver for like a local senior NFL team, whatever.
And do that.
We will come root for you.
I'll be your biggest fan.
I'll be your biggest fan.
Anyways, we've got a lot of topics to get into.
Bodybuilding world, if you want to see Phil do a live this Saturday on Mr. Olympia commentary, let us know.
Give us a thumbs up if that is what you want to hear.
And by the way, see, follow the content, follow Phil to make sure if that does end up happening, do you know where to find it as well?
It's most likely going to end up being on value tame.
So with that being said, I just asked the question.
What are some topics you want us to cover?
Somebody said the Pandora Papers, we'll cover that.
China, Facebook, we'll cover that.
We got a few other things that happened.
Andrew Yang just came out and says he doesn't want to be a Democrat anymore.
He's joining the Independent Party.
He's like, I'm leaving the Democratic Party to be an independent.
This is a guy who created a ton of momentum for himself.
I wonder what's going to happen with his job at CNN and all the stuff that he's doing.
Are they going to keep him?
Are they going to fire him?
Is he still going to commentate?
We'll see.
He's a guy that's definitely marketed himself very well in the last election.
I think this is a guy that's not going to be going away.
There's a market for him and good for him to announce that he's an independent now.
So we have a few things that happened.
The Pandora Papers.
We got Facebook that was down yesterday for, I don't know how many hours.
That was six, seven, eight hours.
China tightens political control over internet giants.
Inflation, another new inflation key inflation gauge watched by Federal Reserve hits a 30-year high.
What else?
Restaurants are down.
Playboy releases October cover featuring a man for the first time.
Not Playgirl, but Playboy featuring a man for the first time.
Microsoft CEO warns people will vote with their feet when it comes to return to work policy.
Biggest crash in world history.
Personal finance expert Robert Kiyosaki predicts economic crisis in October is coming.
Kai, I don't know if you guys got to hold them.
See if you can get a hold of him or not.
Let Mario know if we can get a hold of him.
If not, see if we can get him on the second half of this.
Schumer escalates pressure on debt limit.
And something interesting happened in the bathroom yesterday when Kristen Sinema was going to the bathroom.
She was chased down.
Maybe we'll comment on that.
Seven out of ten states in the worst financial condition are run by Democrats.
I don't know why.
Trump says he knows what would happen if he faces DeSantis in 2024 presidential primary, which is what we discussed in the last podcast with Danielle and who else was on Tom.
And then a few other things that we got here.
So let's see.
Which story do we go into?
Which story do we go into?
Let's go into the New York restauranters first.
Page three, business first.
So New York restaurateurs, business down 40 to 60 percent due to vaccine mandates.
This is a zero hit story.
New York city restaurants are complaining that their business has been slashed severely by the COVID-19 vaccine mandate, which requires people 12 and under, 12 and older to show vaccination proof for indoor dining and indoor fitness and indoor entertainment.
How do you pronounce that, please?
Odani, who's pub and restaurant was a successful business that had been open for 10 years in Times Square, Manhattan.
Its owner now says, comparing the clientele from pre-mandate to when it kicked them about two weeks ago, our business is definitely down 50%.
I'm going to say 60%.
There's just no people coming into the restaurant.
They have the fear of being asked for vaccines.
We don't have the money here to survive without the help of our landlord, who has been very supportive and has been giving us breaks on the rent.
But without our landlord, we would not be in business, he concluded.
Adam, what do you think about this?
Well, the most striking thing to me, and look, I genuinely want to get Gerard's perspective on this because he's from New York and has been back a few times.
But the 12 and older thing is what sticks out to me.
And I'm not defending mandates.
Let's not even go there.
I don't think anyone should be mandated to get the vaccine.
But if there were going to be a mandate, you know, 18 plus, 21 plus, whatever.
But 12 year olds?
How old is Tico?
Nine.
He's nine.
Okay.
Like, we're talking about kids.
I don't even think kids are even available to get the vaccine.
Fill me in on that.
Yeah, that's why Tico will go to Casa D'Angelo instead of any restaurant.
Okay.
So, I mean, it's a little extreme what's going on in New York right now.
I don't support this idea.
Okay.
You were just in New York and you were doing your comedy tour.
Tell us what it's like.
Okay, so I was in New York and I posted a secret show.
For anybody that follows me on Instagram, you know, I said secret show in New York.
And people ended up being a little pissed off at me when I DM'd, when they DM'd me and I told them where it was because it wasn't in the city.
I kind of made it seem like it was in the city, but it was actually a half hour outside the city.
Specifically because of this.
Specifically because of the vaccine mandate, specifically because, you know, me and a few other, I want to give a big shout out to Chrissy Maher and I want to give a big shout out to Carolyn Miljavic, two people that don't have the type of career and clout to take the stand that they're taking.
But they've decided, even though, you know, I believe they're both actually vaxed, they decided that they're not going to.
They're both vaxed.
I believe so.
I don't know, but I believe that they are.
But they've decided that they're not going to force their audience to show medical proof to come see them perform.
So I am supporting them and I did the same thing.
Long story short, we had 190 people at the show on Friday night.
190 people.
You figure it's a two-drink minimum.
The drinks are about $15 each.
$30, $40 easy per head.
What's $190 times $40?
What is that?
Like $70,000?
Let me have my calculator at $50.
$190 times $40?
Yeah, $75.
Eight grand.
A little shy of $8,000.
Eight grand in two hours when we made this place a Nanuette.
Eight grand in two hours.
You think these restaurants could have used that?
You think a club in the city, after being 18 months, could have used eight grand on a Friday night that we earned them?
You know, and there's way bigger acts than me out there that can do five, six hundred people easy.
Yeah, I mean, we did 190 people on a secret show.
So thank you to everybody that came out.
It was really dope.
It was a fun show and cool with like Nelson Figaro and Edney Chavez and all those guys that do the pro-am stuff also.
But the point I'm trying to make is that's eight grand out the door.
That for my entire life, for 10 years of doing comedy, that's eight grand that goes to somebody in Midtown.
That's eight grand that goes to somebody in the village.
That's eight grand that goes to somebody that's in the city.
Now that eight grand went to somebody in Nanuette.
So multiply that by how many different acts?
Multiply that by how many different people that have left to come to Florida.
I had a guy that was in town yesterday.
You met him, Fernando Lasso.
Shout out to Fernando Lasso.
We had a hilarious thing with all the stories.
The number one singer in Ecuador.
The number one singer.
Yes.
And he ended up a little bit at the house.
Yeah, he did.
He actually did not meet this guy, Fernando Lasso.
Let me tell you.
He's coming to the birthday party.
By the way, let me tell you.
So you know how sometimes you hear stories and you're thinking it's fabricated.
So he starts telling a story.
Mario's sitting there.
You were there the night before, right?
Till what time?
One o'clock in the morning?
Kai heard some stories that he will never reveal to anybody because those were very private stories.
That night was, did you hear some stories you were surprised by?
Yes, sir.
Look at Kai's face right there.
More than I would have thought.
Anyway, so he's from Ecuador, and we had a chance to meet his wife, beautiful wife, very happy for these two.
We go back 22 years.
Maybe I'm going to bring him on the podcast to tell some stories here pretty soon.
But he says, I said, so we start talking to vaccination thing.
I said, so he says, yeah, they're eventually going to mandate it for travel anyways.
And they're going to eventually, man, people are going to have to get the vaccine anyways, no matter what happens.
Because in Ecuador, here's how it works.
No, no, no.
So we start talking about vaccine conversation, right?
So Wiggins gets cornered.
Hey, either take it or don't take it.
I love what Draymond Green said.
Draymond Green comes out and he tells the story and he says, Are we really talking about force?
Isn't this America?
Don't you have the freedom?
And then LeBron changes position on it a little bit.
LeBron's kind of like, hey, if they want, we, me, my wife, and our family, we decided to get the vaccine, but it's the individual's choice to do what they want to do.
And he knows because Kyrie's not going to agree with him.
Draymond, all these guys.
But Wiggins ends up last minute getting the vaccine, right?
And he has to know, he can now get paid on the home games, all this other stuff.
The amount of pressure some of these guys are getting, you wonder if the small timers are eventually going to be.
Wiggins is not a small timer.
This is a guy that's making $20 a year.
This is not a guy that's making a million-dollar contract or half a million.
This is a $20 million year contract.
Not a superstar, but I would say he's a star.
He's a guy that said 18.9 points a game last season.
Quietly, he does his part.
How much more do you think this pressure is going to get to people?
Or do you think the people standing up is going to win eventually?
Do you think the people in America standing up are eventually going to be like, listen, this is it?
Stop.
It's a little too much.
Let it go.
We're not doing this anymore, especially after Newsome just announced in the state of California that kids above the age of 12, kids 12 to 18, have to be vaccinated or else they can't go to school.
And New York just announced if a mother, this is a story that just popped up.
If a mother is pregnant, she has the baby.
And if she's not vaccinated, she can't take the kid home until she gets vaccinated.
Let's verify the story, Kai, because I read the story a couple days ago.
But when do you think the tipping point is for people to say, you know what?
I give up.
I'll get the vaccine.
Or do you think people are going to stand up?
Well, what is the survival rate right now?
I think that should be something that is celebrated.
And it's not.
The damn survival rate is what?
It's like, okay, so they say it's 700,000 deaths in the United States or whatever.
43 million cases.
Of which 5%, the leading cause was COVID.
Exactly.
Adam, stop.
Oh my gosh, Adam.
What's going on around here?
That's why he's going to Mr. Olympia.
Look how strong he is.
He's so strong.
Yeah.
But go ahead.
We're listening.
330 million people.
Right.
And 700,000.
Which one death is too many for sure.
Yeah, but we're not talking about everything else.
And we're also not solving for immortality.
It's going to become nonsensical.
Hey, let me tell you, we all know doctors.
And you know what they say?
People die every day.
Yeah.
And it's not being insensitive by saying this.
But we should be out of this by now.
Okay.
You got Israel.
You got all this other stuff.
These are real stats.
And the fact that we're not celebrating the fact that, hey, we're actually turning this thing around.
The survival rate is this.
We also know if you're older and this and that.
We've already talked about it.
Like if your parents get it, it makes sense.
You know, if you're obese, probably you should go get it because this is one of those things that contribute to COVID or whatever.
We are in a place where people are talking about mandating something that you have 99% chance of surviving.
This is bullshit.
Well, yeah.
To answer Pat's question, you know, what's the tipping point, man?
This is all a stress test at some point.
Why would they ever stop?
We haven't stopped them.
You know, like, why would they ever stop doing what they're doing?
Why would they ever not implement what they want to do next?
Like, what incentive have we given these people to say, man, I tell you what, this is the line in the sand.
And if you cross this line, whatever happens next was your decision.
They keep pushing, they keep pushing, they keep pushing, and we bitch and we moan, but we don't do anything.
We do nothing.
We do nothing of consequence.
They say, do what I tell you to do or else.
And then they back it up.
They take people's jobs away from them.
The nurses.
What do we do?
What's up with that?
Yeah.
New York, National Guardian.
Like, how cold is that, man?
Like, we all know we're a nurse.
Why are they getting rid of these people?
You were a hero.
You were the person that went through and saved people.
And now you're just kicked to the curb.
America, you need to wake the hell up, man.
Like, that's cold-blooded.
Like, that's not okay.
I think people, you know, the people got to do their own research and feel comfortable about it.
Talk to your doctor, talk to the people.
And I say, talk to both sides of the aisle, not just one side.
I'm a guy that's always like when we decide to do something with the company, right?
And I'll say in the meeting, we'll send a boardroom and I'll say, guys, be the devil's advocate.
Tell me why this is not going to work.
So don't sell it.
Sell the opposite side.
Be the devil's advocate.
Guys will say, well, what if such and such happens?
And then I try to win those arguments and we as a group try to win the, and then we get stuck on a question.
I'm like, oh, shoot.
Yeah, you're right.
Okay, so guys, what's the solution?
What do we do if this happens?
Then you get stuck, right?
So don't just make a decision on one side or the other side.
You know, if you're somebody that's like, there's no way I'm going to take the vaccine, have you done the research?
And there's some people that are like, I'm not going to take the vaccine.
You know, I'm going to take the vaccine.
Have you done the research against it?
Just go get educated.
I think I posted something on Twitter yesterday.
I said, inflation is causing the dollar store to be a $2 store.
And then I said some other thing on the second one.
I don't remember what the second one was.
And the third one was, you know, censorship is causing us to be too careful with what we talk about because everybody's getting offended.
Go a little lower, go a little lower, go a little lower, go a little lower right there.
Inflation has turned the dollar store into a $2 store.
Low interest rates have created a climate of fake success.
Censorship is creating an environment of extremely sensitive people who only want to hear things they agree with.
Keep your eyes and ears wide open.
I mean, just pay attention to what's going on.
Absolutely.
Confirmation bias is huge right now.
It is.
It's in a big way.
So we're going to see what's going to happen.
Let me ask you.
With my mic issue, I don't know if we address this, but the cookie cutter approach.
There's different strokes for different folks.
Like, there's been reports out there.
There's an Israeli study out there that shows if you've had COVID, The immunities that you've built up over time are potentially even better, six times better than getting the vaccine.
Well, according to Project Veritas, the Pfizer is aware of that as well.
But everybody should know that they're aware of it.
If I get a cold or a flu, do I not have antibodies?
Trouche.
And then, you know, this Delta variant is certainly seems a lot more dangerous than the original variant.
And then, look, if you're going to actually, there's people out there that don't believe in the COVID.
There is a contingency.
I don't believe in the vaccine.
I don't think there is a lot of people.
I don't think.
And if they want to live their life and just not want to get a vaccine because they, for whatever political issue or for whatever reason.
Let me ask you, what percentage of people don't believe COVID is real?
I think, I think.
What percentage believe COVID is not in the United States?
Yeah.
What percentage doesn't believe COVID is real?
But the problem is, whatever number I give, those are the loudest motherfuckers in the world.
No, it's not true, though.
That's not true, though.
Name me one person.
Name me one person.
If you ever watch Jordan Clepper do his in Magaverse.
Name me one person, one person of influence today.
Name me, Adam, one person of influence today that says COVID is not real.
One person.
I don't know about people of influence.
But that's who I am.
That's the loud, but that's loud because there's people out there.
Let me say this.
Let me qualify this and then I'll throw this out there for you guys.
There's people out there who just say it's the flu.
It's just a bad flu or it's just a flu.
Okay.
And for people of us that have had a lot of people.
You just changed it, though.
That's two different things.
So there's tiers to what people say, and I agree with you.
There's people that say COVID is not real.
It's fake.
A year ago, how many people were there?
A ton.
Yes.
Right?
Yes or no?
A year ago.
A year ago is what?
August of a October.
Not October.
I would probably say more June.
A lot of people said, I used to use that word, like scandal.
That isn't scandalic.
That's not going to do with the pandemic.
That has nothing to do with that part.
How many people have been fired for getting the vaccine?
What does that mean?
There's people getting fired for not getting it.
How many people are getting fired for getting it?
Why would you get fired for getting it?
Why would you get fired for not getting it?
I see what you did there.
But I think that's the exact opposite of mentality that they're trying to convey.
The thing is, you're trying to say it's a both sides thing, right?
I mean, that's the idea.
That's what I'm saying.
So clarify.
I mean, I'm just saying that they're trying to take a cookie-cutter approach to this.
And like you said, you got to consult with your doctor.
You have to make a decision that's best for you.
Definitely don't believe in mandates.
Yeah.
But it is real.
But what I'm saying to you is name me one person.
And there's no one.
There's any credibility that should get out there and say it's not real.
So I can't name that person.
Okay, so when did the, let's just go to the guy that's the biggest conspiracy guy, let's just say Alex Jones.
No, no, no, not him.
Go to Trump.
Let's just say Trump's the guy that's the most anti-left establishment that they don't like, right?
Sure.
Did he get the vaccine?
Did he tell people to get the vaccine?
Yeah, kind of.
He did.
He did.
It's not kind of.
He did.
So what I'm saying to you is where I'm going with this is a nobody.
He could be more vocal.
A nobody.
How loud does he have to be?
As loud as fucking possible.
That's like saying like LeBron James has to talk about.
As loud as possible to say what he's doing.
He said it one time.
Did Trump create the vaccine?
Maybe, maybe he respects your choice.
Maybe he respects for you to have a choice.
Sure, that's fine.
And he got it.
And he says, I took it, do it.
Go ahead and do it.
Like, imagine somebody, does somebody need to be louder to force you to get married?
Louder to give.
No, I mean, why, though?
How come you're not married?
How come you're not married?
It's a choice.
You chose that to be.
It's a pure choice.
It's your life.
So if that's your life, the same thing with him.
He wants to say there's a choice.
So I don't.
I'm cool with the choice thing.
I'm not.
No, you said he needs to be louder.
He doesn't.
How about this?
How many people have gotten sick and died because they've taken the vaccine versus how many people have gotten sick and died because they were unvaccinated.
To say that it's equal and to give me the, we don't know.
There's literally no way to know.
Yeah, those numbers aren't.
There's no way to know.
Yeah, those numbers aren't.
What does that mean?
You can't predict the future.
How do you know whether or not if you got this is one of the things that they're doing, which is nonsensical?
Well, he got it, so he's not as sick as he would have been.
How the hell do they know?
How could they possibly assume that they're not?
But here's the other part.
Here's the other part.
I don't know.
I'm not buying that.
Here's the other part.
So, for example, steroids.
Let's talk about steroids.
We were kind of talking about it yesterday, right?
There was a book back in the days that had edition one, second edit, steroid Bible.
I don't know what it was.
Anabolics 2000.
Something like that.
And it was like first, second, third, fourth edition.
So we would buy it and we would read it, right?
And there was another book that was written on steroids called Ageless Man, right?
I don't know who wrote it, but some guy wrote on Ageless Man, and they tested this on a rat.
How as a man gets older, the negative consequences of your testosterone level being below 240 or 200, it's actually not healthy for you.
Correct.
And your testosterone level needs to be higher, not 1,200, but it needs to be 400 to 600 for you to be able to perform day-to-day activities.
And it's not even sex, by the way.
It's just completely like for your bones to be stronger.
He's making this argument, right?
Okay.
How many years of history do we have on steroids and side effects of steroids?
Probably about 100.
Okay, think about that.
We got about 100 years of research on steroids, right?
We know what's good.
We know what's not good.
So when you say how many people are, how many people are versus how many people are not, we only have one year of research since last November, 11 months.
So to say that, you have to know.
The flip side of the argument is, well, let's wait 10 years.
Well, let's wait five years.
Well, then somebody may say, what is the right amount of research?
Okay.
But another person may say, so the conspiracy of, oh, they're trying to put the microchip whatever in there.
Okay, now that's the stuff that just gets a lot of views.
And you say things like that.
Whether you believe that or not, that's the conspiracy side.
What percentage of that is true or not?
Say 1%.
Meaning, giving the credibility of what it is.
Fine.
You want to put 1% to it?
Go for it.
It's not the chip side.
But the flip side of it is saying, hey, you know what?
I'd rather take the risk and I'll get it.
Go for it.
Go ahead and do it.
I'm good with that.
No problem.
Go ahead and do it.
There's a lot of things we put in our body that we don't fully know what's going on.
There's a lot of stuff that we do.
But still, Adam, it's the person's choice.
Can I pick up right on that word you just said?
Choice.
I'm right with you on that.
Totally agree with you.
We started off the show saying that I was at this Oslo Freedom Forum yesterday.
Again, I'm talking to Uyghurs who are in re-education camps in China.
Nigerians are being murdered by this SARS unit is what's going on.
People from Venezuela, people from all over the world who have been taking their freedoms away from them.
And I asked them their story, what's going on.
And the last question that I asked everybody, and you think this would be a very easy question to answer at a freedom forum.
And it was the most question that they were like, oh, wow, that's a good question.
Oh, let me think about it.
People there fighting for freedom.
I said, what does freedom mean to you?
That was the last question I asked after doing a five-minute interview.
And every single person was like, huh, whoa, that's the thing.
There's no way people took their time with that.
I swear to God, you'll see the footage.
Man, it's a good question.
Like, people, they're speaking about freedom.
I know bullshit.
And then after they hemmed and hawed and they thought about it, the most universal common answer was, it's about choice.
Yeah.
It's about having options and whether it's the choice to marry who you want, liberty living or live.
It was all about choice.
But they had to ponder it for a second.
Well, because they didn't have freedom.
That's why.
That's my point.
They don't know what that feels like.
And the second thing is, whether you agree with me, whether you don't agree with me, whether you agree with the vaccine, you have the choice.
And that's the one thing that a lot of people of these countries don't have.
They don't even have the ability to question their government.
And they don't even have the ability to say, well, I don't know, Gerard, I don't think so well yet, Pat.
Well, they don't have that head down that road.
Surely but surely head down that road now.
No, I don't think we are, though.
Okay, I don't think we're heading down that road.
I can show you specifically.
We're not Iran.
We're not North Korea.
That's where these people are living.
Not yet, but I can show you specifically where we're getting close to that.
And that's actually why I want to push back on Pat a little bit.
Because when you, you know, you talk about the microchips and the stuff.
So when people talk about that scandemic, you use that word and the microchips and these conspiracies, you lump everything together into this idea that anything outside of what's being reported in mainstream media is this crazy eccentricity that takes it to crazy town.
There's lizards living underneath Antarctic.
Sometimes it is, sometimes it's real.
Sometimes, you said it a couple episodes back, the paranoid are those who survive.
Okay.
If you don't think that there is some sort of goal to have some sort of digital passport, some sort of tracking system involved, you're not paying attention.
Okay.
If you don't think that there's some sort of social score coming our way that is already in effect in China, you're not paying attention.
Okay.
And if you don't think that this is an obedience test, if you don't think, especially after that episode that Pat put up yesterday with what we know that the moderators are doing behind the scenes at these major social media conglomerates, then guys, you are just not paying attention.
And to your point, as far as us being Iran and us not, not to get off topic, Merrick Garland, who was nominated to be a Supreme Court justice in the United States and is now in the Biden administration, essentially just weaponized the FBI to go after anybody, okay, who has had any sort of opposition to critical race theory in education.
All right.
He sent a memorandum to the FBI asking them specifically to treat opposition to critical race theory and quote-unquote vaccine hesitancy, okay?
Which is this broad term for questioning anything that's official narrative.
They're treating people that disagree with our elected administration as political dissonance.
That is the very precipice of the slippery slope.
We already know that Obama weaponized the IRS.
That is not up for debate.
That's not a conspiracy.
That was confirmed.
That should have been one of the biggest conspiracies since Nixon.
Everybody knows it happened.
Nobody cares for some reason.
He weaponized the IRS against his political opponents.
Now, his vice president's administration is publicly weaponizing the FBI against political opponents.
That's a problem.
That is a slippery slope.
So while I understand and I agree, we're not North Korea.
We're not Iran.
I think that we can become it so much quicker than anybody gives any sort of credence to.
I hear your point.
I also think you're right on being paranoid.
And I appreciate you saying, well, you know, it could happen.
It could happen.
In my humble opinion, I've just seen what true tyranny looks like.
Pat came from Iran.
I think it's hyperbolic to even assume we're anywhere even close to it, bro.
That's just my point.
Okay.
Again, I just tried to tell comedy and I couldn't do it inside of a city.
No, you chose to do a secret show.
You could have done it in O'Donneh's?
I could not.
Absolutely not.
Absolutely not.
I could not have.
They would have made it.
It was actually illegal for me to earn money.
We just talked about the New York restaurants.
Freaking mandate for something that you have 99% chance of surviving.
I mean, what the hell are we doing?
What are we talking about right now?
And at the end of the day, what is the definition of being an American?
This country was formed by laws.
Actually, come here, and what's great is that we actually have like these debates or whatever you want to call it.
But we can walk out of here and still be cool.
Yeah, we respect each other's opinion and stuff like that.
Like, they want to take it away.
Yeah, they want to take it away by force.
They don't want you to speak.
At what point, if you live in New York City, do you say enough's enough?
I mean, if you're like, dude, I'm not sure.
Many are saying it.
Exactly.
Many are saying it.
So that's the beauty of living in America again: saying, you know what?
Yeah, but moving to Florida.
Or I'm going here.
I'm going there for now.
So, Adam, let me ask you.
You know, one day you're going to have a family, right?
That's the plan.
One day you'd like to have a family.
By your choice, we're not going to force you.
I just want you to know that.
Don't force me.
We're not going to tell you, go.
We're going to be.
I've almost been, you know, I've been forced into marriage before.
It didn't work out well.
It's not a good strategy.
We like choice.
But if you're open to arranged marriage, I wouldn't mind being an arranged marriage with you.
I got some people.
Anyways, so let's go back to it.
You get married, you have kids.
Okay.
God willing.
Yeah.
God willing that happens.
You have kids.
Okay.
Your level of paranoia will change.
Sure, when you have kids.
Yeah, let me explain to you how it works.
Like, Senna looks at me and she gives me these eyes and she goes like this and she kind of goes like this with her hair and she takes these pictures.
And all I think about is, oh my gosh, some guy's going to go crazy over that.
How the hell am I going to fight off that guy?
You know what Senna did the other day?
So somebody said something to Senna in school.
You know what she said to the kid?
She said, you know, my brother's big and strong and he will punch you in the face.
As soon as he's talking about Dylan, he's like, go read a book, buddy.
He's worried about Senna.
He's going to have two six foot five brothers and a dad with a million dollar cars.
What do you possibly do to impress that girl?
And big ass uncle.
Yeah, that is right.
Can't imagine.
So I sat there.
I'm like, by the way, honestly, like for a moment, I was not in the conversation.
Everyone's talking, I disappeared.
I'm in La La Land.
And this Lala Lent is her boyfriend.
And I'm like, what's going to happen?
15 years down the road.
So he comes and he's going to be a little bit more.
By the way, she's 15.
So she could very easily, and she's doing cheer right now.
She's singing a cheer the other day of her school.
I'm like, oh my gosh, she's pretty.
She puts this stuff on and she does the spiky.
Maybe she's 15.
She's five, but she'll be 15 in no time.
Come on, what?
What just happened?
What I'm saying to you is 10 years down the road.
You think that.
Then I think about Dylan.
I think about Tico.
I'm doing a parent-teacher conference.
My level of paranoia for that is higher today than when I was 29 years old.
When I was 27, my paranoia was less.
The moment I got married, paranoia increases because of a different lens.
Then you have the first kid, your wife's pregnant.
Second, then you have different paranoia.
Then you have your age, you know, parents aging.
All of that stuff adds up.
I think the biggest thing is when a person who lacks any paranoia that something catastrophic can happen to this country, you will get caught.
And when you get caught, it's not going to be fun because sometimes in life, almost, you know, in your mind, you're like, I can fix any problem.
I can fix any issue.
I'm good.
I can fix this.
There's certain problems you can't fix.
You have cancer.
You can't fix cancer.
There's certain problems you cannot fix.
And there's different forms of cancer.
One form of cancer is health.
The other form of cancer is when it gets into politics, politicians.
And the other form of cancer is when these politicians are able to get into universities and schools and then they get to the kids.
The side effects of overcoming that cancer is 40 years.
It's not two years, bro.
It's 40.
Cuba is still effed up till today.
How many decades has it been?
One cancer goes in.
Iran, 1978, 79.
That cancer is still there.
43 years later, and nobody can do nothing about it.
And Iran signs a contract with China for 24 years for $400 billion, whatever the number is.
That cancer is going to be there for another 25 years.
That's 70 years of a cancer.
So there needs to be pushback.
There needs to be, I can think for myself, there needs to be, let me think about it.
There needs to be, let me get back to you.
There needs to be that notion to the government.
The government needs to be held a little bit more accountable and not like, hey, you don't answer what I do in my life.
I appreciate the feedback.
Thank you for doing your job.
So that is the only concern.
Because, so, say, for instance, these guys, this whole New World Order stuff.
What percentage of New World Order do you think is conspiracy theory?
What percentage of New World Order do you think it's real?
What do you think?
Yeah, Gerard would know the answer.
I'm asking you.
No, no, I'm asking you.
I don't.
This is not something that I'm well versed in.
I've heard of it peripherally.
And 90% of it has been from the.
The last person I'm going to go to is Gerard.
I'm not going to go to Gerard.
I'm actually not going to go to Gerard.
Okay.
When you think about Kai, how old are you, Kai?
84.
23 going on 60.
Okay, you're 23 years old, 23 years old.
When you think about the word New World Order, what do you think about?
I think about overreaching of governments and the combination of technology and the big social media companies.
Okay, cool.
I mean, just look at what happened yesterday.
Could we do anything or say anything?
Totally get it.
Like Eric was saying, his girlfriend was freaking out because she couldn't get a hold of her family in Paraguay because WhatsApp was down.
Like, as much as we're relying on this and the infrastructure and they're all together and on the same server, talk about not being anti-fragile that we talked about the other day, too.
So it's super vulnerable.
If countries unite, if governments unite and their ideas are now, I would like to be the secretary of whatever for the European division and the leader of the world is going to be elected as this person.
And if we go in that direction, like in EU, except happens to the world, minus China and a couple other places, you don't have another place to go.
You do not have another place to go.
When you said if shit hits the fan, people in New York can go where?
They can go to Florida.
They can go to Tennessee.
People in California can go where.
They can go to Arizona.
They can go to Texas.
But what if everything becomes the same?
Then where are you going to go?
So that is my only concern.
I want everybody to be competing.
I want you to compete to read the content to come in here.
So a fan is going to say, you know, Adam's commentary is weak.
And I want you to read those comments and go back and say, screw you, you know, Johnny 69.
I'm going to kick your ass on the next podcast and I'm going to come with some value.
And I'm like, damn, look at Adam Broad.
That competition gets all of us to be like up and up our game.
These guys got to get better with the software.
Kai's got to get better at spelling hoti, right?
We all have to figure out ways on how to improve.
But if the moment the government doesn't have to improve, go ahead, say something.
What are you going to do about it?
Nothing, because I don't have to.
Yeah, I'm not going to do it.
I'm going to go to the next TMV.
I'm not with that.
You can speak with your supervisor.
I am the same Adam.
I am not good with that.
Real quick.
These are the same political officials who did not get a pay cut while everybody else did.
Not one damn person said, you know what, I'm not taking no pay because my people in my district that I'm shutting down.
That I'm voting to shut down.
Right.
They didn't do this shit.
And I'm pissed off at all of them because of that.
Because how many people do we know, small business owners, that have not recovered?
You know, there's people that are homeless.
There's people that have literally no hope.
That's the freaking problem.
And then you have these talking heads on the news and this and that just striking fear in every person.
People are scared still.
And like Pat said, you know, like these times do build up strong leaders, strong men.
Look what they're doing right now.
They don't want strong men in the media.
They want weak ass dudes.
They want, you know what I'm saying?
We should be pounding our chest, man.
Toxic.
You know, toxic masculinity.
Please call me that.
Screw you.
You know what I'm saying?
I'm a freaking American.
I've traveled.
I've been to China.
I've toured China.
I've been to Shenzhen, Shenyang, Beijing, Shanghai, all that shit.
And it is not the same.
When I read Robert Spaulding's book, that shit is real.
They're trying to damage America right now.
And it is a problem.
And people of all races are so soft.
Stop and just read some freaking books, some real shit.
Not just the little clips.
Think how manipulated these people that we know on social media get just by seeing like a little snippet.
They're going to see five seconds of like, let's just call it what it is.
They'll say five seconds of Trump or whatever and then just go on a rant.
They won't even educate themselves.
And what you said about like Iran and all this other stuff, Americans need to understand what that means.
But because of the fact that we don't travel outside of this country, we don't know.
And we're so arrogant.
I've traveled over 40 countries.
I've been to Cuba.
I've been to Guantanamo Bay.
You know, I've done a lot of travel.
And you know how many times I was in Istanbul, Turkey.
And I get a call real quick.
I'll tell the story.
I get a call from the front desk.
They said, Mr. Heath, you need to leave now.
Excuse me?
Yes.
U.S. Embassy is there to take you to the airport.
You know what just happened?
Salma Bin Laden just been assassinated.
I had to grab my shit and get on four different flights to get my ass home.
I landed in Houston and hugged a customs agent.
I hugged him.
You know why?
Because I was scared and I was proud to be back.
We need that, man.
People need to understand what being an American is, dude.
It's wonderful, bro.
Like, you don't know what it feels like to be in another country and you have no choice.
I've been to Venezuela.
I've been to Colombia.
I've been to all those places, man.
This shit is different.
So we need to wake the hell up.
Like, this is like, don't just, like Gerard says this a lot, like, quit just being in this la-la land.
And, oh, everything will be fine.
Like, it will never happen.
Quit using the word conspiracy because we all saw the video when Biden and Pelosi and all these other people said, oh, there's no mandate.
There's no mandate.
What are they doing now?
And people voted for that.
People should be pissed.
They should call them out.
And they're not because they got the confirmation bias and they're just like, well, I don't want to sound like, you know, I voted for this.
No, you need to raise your freaking hand and say, yeah, you know, I voted for a bad policy.
My bad.
I won't do it.
And I won't do it again.
That's the problem.
But we need to say this shit.
It's okay.
You voted for him.
Good.
You use your American right.
You voted for it.
But you didn't.
And you had the intention.
You didn't think voting for this president that this was going to happen.
I'm not saying that.
I don't think any of us are.
But that's what's happening.
And we need to wake the hell up.
I'm tired of this shit.
Yeah.
I think, I mean, that's incredible.
Incredible.
I know you've told me that Istanb, the turkey story.
It's incredible, man.
I mean, it's nuts.
I can't imagine what was going through your mind.
But, you know, I keep going back to that old parable, right?
Like, all it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing.
That's all it takes.
You know, at some point, somebody has to be the one.
Somebody has to be the guardian on the wall.
And like you said, I mean, we're kind of in, it's a good thing.
It's a good thing that all of us in this generation wanted to be nicer to each other, that we wanted to be more empathetic, that we wanted to say, you know what, I understand where you're coming from.
I empathize with your pain and I'm sorry.
But it went too far.
And our kindness was 100% taken as a weakness.
They weaponized our empathy against us.
Now we need a little bit of our grandfather in us.
Now we need a little bit of John Wayne to come back and say, you know what?
I don't care if I hurt your feelings.
I care if you listen to what I said.
Because if you're true in your intentions, if you're true at heart, if you're not an actual racist, if you're not actually a sexist, if you're not actually an asshole, then you shouldn't be afraid to say anything that you want to say and you shouldn't be afraid about how it's going to be manipulated.
100%.
I am who I am, and I'm going to be who I'm going to be.
And anybody can take what I say.
Like you said, we speak so much and so often on here, anybody can take a three-second, you talked about this on Rogan.
Anybody can take three to five seconds, manipulate it, and put it out there.
And then it's up to the people, all right, to go back and watch for context.
But I actually, when I talk to people and when I listen to people, I think that they're doing that.
I think that people don't like being lied to.
People don't like being misled.
I think that this era is going to be one defined by authenticity.
You're not going to be able to hide.
Look at Kamala Harris.
Look at Kamala Harris.
She's hated.
And then they went on the view and they tried saying it's because of her gender, because of her race.
And it's not.
It's because she's as fake as you could possibly be.
And you can't be fake anymore.
They're going to find out who you are.
They're going to know who you are.
They're going to know what your intentions are.
I trust the people.
And that's the big difference between, I think, the kind of, you know, this freedom movement versus this globalist movement is I trust my neighbors.
I trust them.
I trust my neighbors.
I may not agree with you.
I may not like you, but I trust you.
I trust that I don't need to make a law to say don't block a fire exit.
Because if there's a fire, you're going to get your ass out the room.
I trust that you don't want to get burnt alive.
I trust people.
I trust people's ability to be kind and be good to one another.
And it doesn't have to be adjudicated.
It doesn't have to be made of law.
Because when we make laws and we're addicted to authority and we're addicted to control, what people don't understand is what that law means.
If you make a law, all right, you put a mask mandate out there.
Now, the intention might be, I'm keeping people safe.
Well, that might look good at first, but take that two steps forward.
What if somebody says no?
What happens if somebody says no?
Well, now you have to get somebody to come and force them out of the establishment.
And if they say no to being forced out of an establishment, out of a public place, what happens?
A cop comes?
What is a cop?
Like what we saw happen in Australia.
That shit is strong.
That lady getting strangled.
So somebody is getting kidnapped.
Being arrested is being kidnapped at gunpoint.
That's what, that's what actually being arrested is.
So you're having somebody, you're so afraid, you're so afraid of your neighbor at this moment that you're willing to have an authority send somebody to kidnap them at gunpoint.
Come on, man.
So all of that is your point.
No mandates.
My point is that at this moment in time, okay, that you should allow people to live their life as they see fit.
That you should allow people the wherewithal and the personal agency to protect themselves and their family and run their business and life accordingly.
That's what I'm saying.
That is exactly what I'm saying.
Now, if you want to do something like New York, do something like New York.
Fine.
But then when everybody leaves, don't start taking federal money.
Don't start taking, don't, you know, you know what I'm saying?
Like, don't, when, when you run out of California and then you go to Texas because everybody in California.
Yesterday I come in.
Gerard got me the limited edition Kamala Harris bobblehead.
I mean, there's only a few of these.
I just want to publicly thank you for this special gift.
You got to get one that's.
It's right next to my desk.
I put it right next to my desk.
Does it laugh?
Tammy, I said the same thing.
It actually does.
It laughs.
It laughs.
Yeah, it's a new one that we have, and we have a special one that's, you know, I know, Adam, it's mine.
I just want you to know this.
You can't have it.
Yeah.
You can't have it.
We're going to get a Fauci one for you here pretty soon.
I was at a conference at the forum yesterday, and at first, they're blocking me, man.
It's all I know it.
They're onto me.
And then it was the world.
Be the world, bro.
Be fair.
You didn't believe I was actually shadow banned on Instagram and then you saw it.
What did you see?
Tell the world.
They don't like you.
They don't like you.
They don't want you to be heard.
And maybe for good reason, Gerard.
All right.
So let's talk about this article from CNN.
Okay.
Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp goes down.
Facebook's week just went from bad to worse.
Facebook, WhatsApp all suffered outage midday Monday.
We're aware that some people are having trouble accessing our apps and products.
Facebook said on Twitter.
The outage came the morning after 60 minutes aired a segment with Facebook whistleblower.
Francis Hagen claimed the company is aware of its platforms are used to spread hate violence and misinformation and that Facebook has tried to hide that evidence.
Shares of Facebook were down more than 5% in midday trading Monday, putting it on pace for its worst trading day in nearly a year.
Now, here's what's crazy about it.
While this is going on yesterday, you're at that event.
I'm interviewing a guy named Sean Spiegel, who's a whistleblower who used to work at Facebook as a moderator.
Okay.
So he went from a moderator of choosing the regular things that's coming up, you know, memes, all this stuff.
Then he gets promoted to the next level where he really saw the kind of videos that was being put up.
By the way, I've never had a warning at the beginning of an interview where I personally come up and I say, don't watch this interview.
Okay.
I'm telling people, do not watch it because how uncomfortable and disturbing this video is.
Now, if you want to be aware, watch the interview, but I'm telling you in advance, so we put a warning sign, we put all that stuff in this interview.
Have we ever done this before in any interview?
We've never done this with anybody.
And was this a pre-planned interview?
It just had a crazy interview.
We interviewed him.
You called me.
I was talking to him.
No, meaning, like, did you set this up weeks in advance?
Or did you say yes?
No, no, no, no.
This was set up.
It's because, Don, get him on the lineup.
No, it just so happened that it was happened.
It was a coincidence.
Okay, that's what I'm saying.
It was pre-planned.
No, no, this interview is supposed to go out in two, three weeks.
It's not scheduled to go out this week.
David, yes or no?
Yeah, correct.
This is just a complete coincidence.
This is complete.
So yesterday, I'm saying, so Gerard comes out of nowhere and he says, he just got back from New York.
He says, Pat, do you mind if I sit in?
Okay.
Do you mind if I sit in and listen to this?
Okay.
Adam, the stuff I heard, my stuff, like it's this.
He said the environment at this place is a moderator.
His job is to look at everything that's coming.
There's about a thousand people that work there.
This is a company that was contracted out with Facebook that eventually they said we're not going to work for you anymore.
A company that does $16 billion per year, cognizant technology solutions.
It's a $16 billion a year company.
It's not a small company.
Anyways, he says in our facility, there was a thousand of us working there.
It was two bathrooms that they had there.
There was, what did he say, was always on the wall?
He says, you know, people would poop and pee in the in the, what do you call it?
In the sink.
Yeah, they were.
No, no, no.
They were so mentally broken.
They were so mentally broken that after weeks on a job, people would like start smearing feces on the wall and like starting pretty nasty.
And by the way, that's not, let's just say that's a two.
That's a two.
The stories he says go to goes to, David, would you agree?
I'm not even going to tell you the stories because it's so uncomfortable.
Yeah, it's very graphic.
Very, very graphic.
As graphic as you could possibly get it.
And what's the reasoning behind this?
So these guys aren't enslaved.
They can choose the working group.
No, no, no.
It's very, very odd.
Very, very odd dynamic.
Explain it.
We can.
Well, it's extremely uncomfortable.
He says, he says, at any point, somebody's sitting there, your job is to watch the video and then send a report to Facebook.
This video needs to be taken down.
And Facebook comes back and says, no, that Facebook, that video is going to stay up because this is a private group and it's not a public group.
And it's only a private group, so therefore we're going to leave this up.
And he says Facebook's position was: the more videos like this we keep up, the FBI and cops are going to be able to find a bad guy to go get him.
And the guy's like, that's not what's happening.
And then I said, let me go a little bit deeper with this.
By the way, he says, people are doing this, watching videos.
All of a sudden, they're throwing up.
He says, at any point, people were throwing up at their workplace.
He says it smelled, it was horrible.
It was horrific.
Terrible situation at this workplace, what they're doing.
Because somebody has to watch his videos.
So, anyways, this happens.
We interview him.
Then Facebook is down.
Then we go live with it yesterday.
I've never had this many people message me about an interview I did.
Pat, I'm having a hard time watching this.
This is crazy.
And the guy is, would you say he's part of the LGBTQ?
No, he said.
He said, he made a comment.
Yeah, yeah.
He is, he's not by any stretch of the imagination.
This is not a MAGA guy.
This is not anybody that's far right.
This is a guy who is an animal rights activist and sympathetic to the LGBT movement.
And those were his words.
And, you know, he cried in the interview.
We started talking about animals and what they were doing to kids.
What did they do to the kids?
Who's they?
People around the world who are.
Apparently, there's an entire look.
This is snuff.
This is nothing more than snuff.
This is a snuff.
This is snuff.
And there's groups where people go and they pay and they use the Facebook marketplace to pay for these videos.
I mean, he described, he described bestiality.
He described forced incest.
He described animal cruelty while bestiality was occurring.
I mean, like, really, as by the way, when he said, like, like, hell, like, like, what you would imagine would be in hell.
Gerard, I did not know what bestiality meant.
Bestiality meant.
I put on Google while he's talking, bestiality.
Yeah.
And I'm like, close, immediate the stuff that he's talking about.
No, I'm not good.
And this is the reason why people watching the videos are puking, throwing up, going behind the game.
Yeah, no, bro.
If you hear the video, like, there's one situation with a pig.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's.
Put it like this.
Yeah.
When I walked in the office and I saw Pat and Gerard and they were explaining this stuff, they were shook.
I mean, it was like, it was, it was very, it was very like the vibe was very.
And there's no reason to assume the guy's lying.
We haven't verified it.
Like, we're still in the process of verifying his claims.
We're trying to get, you know, two or three other people to verify it as well to make sure that what he's saying is not exaggerated in any way.
So look, take it anecdotally at this point, right?
This is one guy.
Put one of the clips.
Put one of the clips.
You know which one I'm talking about.
So I asked him a question.
I say, so do you, can you check anybody's whole separate, but beyond?
And then it's like, this was insane.
This was crazy.
Okay, just watch this.
Go ahead and press play.
Go ahead and press play.
Is that the one?
I say, do you guys check Instant Messenger?
So you guys were able to see what's being said in the Instant Messenger and text messages or no?
Yes.
Also, whatever we post there and we're communicating, you see all of it.
Yes, absolutely.
Everything that's communicated here, if you wanted to see all of it, you can easily see it.
Yes.
And you have access to who.
Like, is there levels of clearance on who you have access to?
Want to be able to go see?
Let me see if this one guy I don't like.
Let me see what he stands for.
I'm going to go see what this guy is saying to this person here.
Could you do that or was there limitations to what they sent to you?
No.
In the general queue, there were limitations.
Where I was, there were not.
Were you ever tempted to see some conversations?
Hang on, hang on, hang on.
We're higher-ups or no?
Go back a little bit.
Go back a little bit.
I was tempted.
Go back a little bit.
Okay, go ahead.
Go ahead.
Were you ever tempted to see some conversations of people that were higher-ups or no?
I was tempted, yes, but not specifically higher-ups.
I have to be honest, politics isn't my thing.
I was more curious about seeing what my cousin was saying up in Georgia.
So he's working there and he wants to go see what his cousin says, but he has access to everybody.
But what he said was politics weren't his thing, but the place was the most politically and politics.
People were there specifically because of their politics.
And that to me was the most shocking part.
I mean, what he was saying about the BCIology was gross.
But anybody that's ever had live leaks, seen the internet, you know that this stuff's out there and it's heinous.
This, the fact that anybody can have access to anybody's WhatsApp, anybody's instant messenger, not stuff that was reported, dude.
Not something that somebody manually reports.
He could go search Adam Sosnik's DMs, pull it up, and read them.
See them.
You don't want no part of that, Dave.
thing i want some of them dms dude i'm it's this is this is privacy okay Okay.
There's a part of it when he says, I just care what my cousin in Georgia said.
It's funny, obviously.
Meaning he could spy on his cousin in Georgia spy.
I didn't think that's so funny, but humorous.
But if he wants to see what two senators are talking to each other, if he wants to see what anybody in power, to go back and look at all their history, everything, he can find that out.
And that's Facebook.
So this is not Facebook.
This is a third-party Facebook's given access to.
So think about that.
Third-party subscription.
So third-party.
Yeah, so this is a third party.
So here's the question I ask.
Because when I was with Rogan.
This is Hillary Clinton's servers.
If you remember when I was with Rogan, Rogan, we talked about Jack Dorsey.
And he said, I like Jack.
He says, I like what he's doing.
And Jack went on two times.
The first time that people said, you didn't push him too hard.
He came back and he pushed him a little bit harder with some of the questions.
With his general counsel there, though.
I get that.
But the part is when he said, you know, Jack wants Twitter to be more open.
He would like it to be two different formats with Twitter.
One is like on the back end where you can say free-for-all, do whatever you want to say.
He wanted two Twitters.
He wanted two Twitters.
Yeah.
So for me, I go and I asked the one question.
I said, okay, Facebook, like yesterday.
We haven't even gotten to what we think happened yesterday.
That's really what we got to get into because I got thoughts.
So I said, so let's give the guy the benefit of the doubt.
They got 60,000 plus employees.
That doesn't count contractors.
So I had another 100,000 contractors, people that are working offsite, but they're not W-2.
They're 1099 contracts that they're working.
Whatever the numbers, let's just say 60,000 employees.
Maybe he doesn't know what's going on.
Maybe he doesn't know what's going on.
Listen, you got like, I got stuff going on here.
We got 40 employees, but you guys go out.
I don't even know where you guys went.
I don't know what's going on.
So imagine with 40, I don't know what's going on.
You think you're going to know what's 60,000?
We got 16,000, 17,000 insurance agents in 150 offices nationwide.
You think I know everything that's going on?
No, so go to 60,000 employees because could this be a part where when you're a CEO at this level, he's probably got 30 C-suite executives.
He's got 20 C-suite executives.
Who are the people that knew?
Did they report up?
Did the people at the top know?
Why is this content being left up?
This is a compliance issue.
So this leads to yesterday, Facebook going down.
So why did Facebook go down?
Let's talk about possibilities.
I'll throw some out there and then you give yours.
Go ahead.
You have a thought.
Yeah, yeah.
Before we get into that, more importantly, you also asked him about how does shadow banning work and do they, do they act?
You said I've been doing this for a long time.
He admitted.
He admitted to social engineering.
There's videos.
Pat said, I've been doing this for a long time and the videos, they'll rise, they'll rise, they'll rise, then they'll peter off.
But there's some videos.
They rise, they rise, they rise and then they fall off a cliff.
Is that organic?
Or he goes, absolutely not.
That's somebody saying that they don't want this message out there and they just turn it off.
They just turn it off.
They said somebody's saying like one person making that decision.
I said the same thing.
Who has that power?
Who has that power?
Not at his level.
He reports and gives Facebook what to do.
Facebook chooses what they want to do with it.
They can't delete anything.
They simply watch and sent in.
That's what his job is.
And then Facebook has to decide.
So on a couple of the instances, Facebook left the stuff up and he kept going back.
He kept going back.
They said, no, this is going to stay up.
We're not taking this down.
So, yeah, but Sean.
Facebook has to be aware.
Like the whistleblower story, I know we're going to get into, but Facebook has to be aware that.
Sean Spiegel or whatever his name is or Billy McGillicuddy or John Doe is going to be able to speak out about this.
Like this guy has no loyalty to Facebook.
At any point, he can do an interview with you.
He gets fired, doesn't like his job.
People are thrown up around him.
He fucking quits.
And now he can do it.
There's a thousand people working in a room and this is what they're doing.
You're right.
How many of them can speak out?
You're right, I think.
Facebook has to know that.
They're so arrogant, I think.
I think that they know that they can control the narrative to such a level, right, that they know, right?
They know.
Like, look, even in our minds, there's a little bit in all of us right now that are saying, man, you know, we're talking about this stuff.
We're really going there.
Each one of us, if we're being honest, we're saying, look, we're doing it.
We're going for it, man.
And we hope the listeners appreciate this because we're all putting ourselves out there.
What is that inside of all of us?
Because all of us know that these guys are all holding it over us all the time.
When that guy said it, Pat asked that question yesterday and I was sitting in the back.
I said, holy shit, this guy just admitted to social engineering.
That's not moderation.
By the way, that's manipulation.
The way he said it, he says, I said, do you have a problem with what they're doing on the left and the right?
He says, well, on the right, there were people on the right that were saying, what were the stuff that they were saying?
I asked him a question.
I said, you think Trump should be off of Facebook?
You think he should be off?
He says, well, let me think about this one here because on one end, if he was a regular person doing what he was doing, probably, yes, if he was a regular person.
But if he's the president and he's doing what he's doing in the January 6th event, yes, he kind of went up there and he's the one that started it.
But later on that night at 6 o'clock, he did come and tell people, go home.
And this guy's like, he's going through the sequence on how he's explaining it, right?
And then he says, no, I think he should still be on.
And then he says, I said, what were the people pushing on the right?
So he said, what did he say on the right?
The left is on?
No, no, the right.
The right was pushing.
Just being nasty, bullying libtards.
Oh, bullying.
That's right.
And then he said on the left, there's too much push on kids being part of the LGBTQ community, which I support, he says, which I support.
He supports the LGBT community.
He says it's too big of a push amongst kids.
And he says it's too big of a push on transgender having influence over kids and that's being left out there.
Segregation.
He said the left is, they don't want to coexist.
There's too many people that just want, they think there should be two worlds.
By the way, if you watch this interview, you'll say this guy's on the left.
You won't say this guy's on the right.
Like, if you watch this guy, you're not going to say, oh, you know, he's a supporter of, you know.
Well, Senator, really, right?
I mean, no, I don't think he's center.
I'm going to put this guy center left because there were still some areas.
But for the most part, he's tried to stay as reasonable as possible.
He was trying to be as reasonable as possible, very level-headed.
The craziest part of the interview, for people that haven't seen it, is how matter-of-factly he answered these insane questions.
Like, he's, you know, are we watching, like, you know, it was like a gotcha question.
Like, are you guys listening to our messages?
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Can you search messages from?
Yeah, no problem.
So wait, is Facebook turning off viral content?
Yeah, yeah, they determine what messages they want out.
Like, he was just so matter of fact.
It was like bone-chilling how matter-of-fact this guy was about the social engineering.
In your opinion, what level of credibility does this guy have?
One through 10.
In your opinion.
I'm going to give this guy seven, seven, eight.
Okay.
Yeah.
Let me tell you.
Yeah, because he doesn't have a bone to pick with Facebook.
He has a bone to pick.
He's an animal activist.
His main goal was just to like.
Pure the animal.
Yeah.
No, it's like, it's all about animal.
He saw one time they, he saw a video about, oh, so I said, what was the most disturbing video?
He said, one time there was a video.
These two boys, no, these two boys were taking the iguanas from the tail and they were smashing the iguanas on the ground so hard and iguanas were having to scream.
I've never heard any, I never knew iguanas could scream like that and they're hitting the head.
And they did this with different types of animals and they would put it in their private Facebook group and that stayed on.
Silence of the lamb stuff.
See, like iguana, like it was so like, who says so?
You have to know how he's wired.
Let me ask you.
Without, okay, this is just a hypothetical.
Sick stuff that's going on, right?
Sick stuff.
Without Facebook, without social media, these fucking sickos would be doing this regardless.
Regardless.
Now they're doing it for the world to see or for people to see.
And maybe, maybe they could be held accountable for their heinous acts.
Is that maybe a good thing that you could hold these people accountable?
Because there's people.
I know a buddy of mine.
He's fine now.
I mean, ironically, he's a big MAGA guy, but this guy would put his cat in the microwave as a kid.
Five seconds.
I'm like, what the fuck are you doing, you fucking weirdo?
Yeah.
Okay.
And then I was like, dude, this is, what are you doing?
Like, this isn't cool.
Like, we're all, you know, we're 12 years old.
Like, this isn't funny.
Yeah.
Ha ha.
Like, not cool.
Yeah.
Okay.
But this is pre-social media stuff.
This is minor, whatever.
But there's people that do this sick stuff.
Yeah, no.
And as much as we're railing against social media right now, maybe it's, you know, it's kind of like shooting yourself in the foot.
It sounds like their job isn't to.
They're sending this to Facebook.
They're not sending the shit to the authorities.
But if the authorities can see this kind of stuff, again, you guys got to watch the video.
He brought up that claim and he was like, we need to bring this to the authorities.
And then according to him, he was like, Facebook was like, we don't need that type of publicity.
We don't need that.
So Facebook doesn't want to be cop because if they become cop, the category of the type of business they become changes and you as the user lose trust in community.
Like even right now, we talked about the fact that the guy says they can read every message.
What percentage of the people that are listening are kind of like, ooh, so I'm going to make sure I filter out those three things I would say.
Some people probably want to put it in.
That's what I'm saying.
I think people are just going to carry on with their lives.
But no, no, no, but 10% is 10%.
10% is not a small number.
That's still a big number.
So to me, when you see this, okay, let's go to what happened yesterday.
Let's go to what happened yesterday.
There's plenty on this.
We got a few other stories I want to touch up on as well.
And we only got 31 minutes left, 32 minutes left.
So yesterday, what really happened yesterday?
Let me tell you the different stories that I heard.
One of the stories was what?
That, hey, somebody on the back end is permanently taking the Facebook and Instagram code out.
I think Barstool Sports put it up.
Some Twitter account Academy put it up.
And some of these other guys put it.
I mean, these are verified accounts.
These are not like regular accounts that they put it up.
And that went viral and that got a lot of views saying maybe Facebook and Instagram is permanently gone.
And people are texting me.
What's going to happen if this thing's permanently gone?
And Twitter posts a tweet, which was hilarious.
What did Twitter say?
It says, we welcome all of you.
Something like that.
Kai, see if you can find that Twitter tweet.
They capitalized on this a lot yesterday.
As they should.
Yeah, as they should.
They said, hello, literally everyone.
It got 3.2 million likes, 773,000 retweets.
So one of them is, okay, somebody hacked and they destroyed the code, whatever.
Okay, so that's not the case.
Another one is China was involved.
Okay, and because of what happened 60 minutes, and so China's coming out and saying, hey, you guys better, you know, whatever.
Okay, so that's that part.
The one that was very interesting that to me really got me thinking was the following.
There was a group of people that said Facebook did this.
Facebook did this to themselves.
Why would Facebook do this to themselves?
Facebook went and cleaned house with everything they had because of what happened a couple of weeks ago, a week ago with Apple coming out and saying, we're going to take you off the platform with Facebook and Instagram.
Apple just announced that a week ago.
And a week later, you come out and you do this.
Maybe they took it down and they went, destroyed, you know, who knows, a bunch of these pages on the back end and took a bunch of the things out and some of the stuff that you can actually go see to clean up their name.
Because it was down for quite a few hours.
It wasn't like six hours.
It wasn't like 30 minutes.
So it could be an internal thing that happened.
Now, I don't know if that's true or not, but to think about that thought with Facebook, all the scrutiny they're getting, this is what's happening.
Then another part is the fact that, you know, the 60 Minutes lady was talking about what kind of content is being staying up.
Another story was the fact that Facebook helped Trump with election, and they don't want Facebook to have the kind of power in the next election because they have so much power in getting somebody elected.
So if there's control on mainstream media, the left's only threat is what they don't have control over, which is Facebook.
And Mark Zuckerberg is not a yes guy.
Mark's not saying yes, and they kind of don't like that.
Mark's not sitting there saying, yes, we'll do this.
Yes, we'll do that.
He's the only one that said, you know, we'll see if we're going to get Trump at, but we're not permanently banning Trump.
We're going to have our team that look at it.
Twitter says what?
We're permanently banning Trump, right?
So Facebook is a threat to the left because Facebook could help the opposing party get elected.
Maybe they want a little bit more control.
Some want this thing to be more controlled by the government because if the government controls Facebook, it's over.
So imagine if the government runs Facebook.
Would you want that?
So anyways, that's some of the stuff I've heard.
I'll leave it up to you guys.
Gerard, what do you think happened yesterday based on some of the articles you read?
I don't want to get crazy in the conspiracies here, but I just, I think it's very, very, the timing of things is very, very curious.
It's becoming more and more difficult for me to consider coincidences over the last 18 months to two years.
Coincidences just seem to keep piling up into ways that increase power for the most powerful amongst us.
It's amazing how these coincidences keep funneling into their wind column.
China tightens political control of internet giants is a story that headlines ABC News three days ago.
They fly 38, 38 fighter jets over Taiwan yesterday.
There's a leak on CNN about Facebook, and then Facebook goes down.
Snapchat goes down.
WhatsApp goes down six hours.
TikTok's fine.
I don't see this all as being isolated instances.
I see this all as being somehow interconnected.
I think that there are political games, there are machinations being played at levels that it's hard for normal people to understand and to comprehend what's happening on a global scale.
I think the world is becoming very, very, very small at the top of the pyramid.
And I think that there's a lot of people vying for control for that top.
And we're kind of seeing that trickle-down effect hit us.
That's what I think happens.
And my biggest takeaway was like while we're joking and while we're all like looking at our Facebook and while we're like, wow, this is, you know, people are like, get outside, talk to each other.
My whole thing is like, man, I can't believe how easy it was to disconnect the world.
I can't believe how easy it was to disconnect everybody.
You know, if they did that and they took cell service away, what would we do?
Like, that's it.
What would we do for six hours?
What could be done in six hours of radio silence?
How much ground could be lost?
Could you recover?
Six hours of radio silence.
What could be taken from you?
That's where my mind went to.
My mind went to was that I am remarkably underprepared for what I think is an increasing freaking war.
That's what I'm saying.
What could happen in six hours?
Six hours of radio silence.
How much different could the world you come back to be?
And I felt very helpless in that I'm completely and totally underprepared for that eventuality.
Yeah, well, to your point, like what could happen?
I think, you know, for a few years now, maybe longer, we've been hearing about antitrust and monopoly.
And, you know, we got to break up Facebook.
They're too big, too big to fail.
The banks are too big.
Everything that we've heard for years with Wall Street yesterday was pretty damn evident.
Like, ironically, Twitter was like, hello, world.
Yeah.
Because you had basically one source of, all right, here's where you go to tell your story when Facebook owns Facebook, Instagram.
Oh, by the way, shout out to Michael Burry's option call on Facebook from two weeks back, right?
Ironically.
It just puts things in perspective: like, damn, do we need to break up Facebook?
Are they getting too big?
Are they getting too clearly?
That is a great question.
What do you think about that?
That's something that we need to talk about.
And then part B to that is I've also heard, well, the whistleblower, what was her name again?
Frances Hagen.
She had some pretty compelling stuff.
If you haven't seen that interview, so someone said, well, yeah, you know, her interview, the whistleblower, basically saying that Facebook was sort of like amplifying stuff that was more divisive, controversial topics, and it would push it to the top of the algorithm and get, you know, that's how you would make your ad money because it's so engaging and all that stuff.
And they said, because of her interview and the whistleblowering, that they wanted to do something to draw less attention away from her interview.
And I said, I don't know about this, a buddy of mine.
I was like, I don't know about that, man, because I got to be honest with you, I was just kind of living my own life on Sunday watching Tom Brady do his thing.
I didn't see the interview.
I didn't hear about the interview, ironically.
So now all I'm hearing about is the interview because Facebook went down.
So why would they want to plus the interview was to me like a big nothing burger.
It was just 60 minutes, whatever.
It wasn't that big.
It was a big deal, but not that big of a deal.
But now all your platforms are going down for six hours.
The whole world is now talking about Facebook.
That doesn't make sense to me.
That would be sort of counterproductive.
If I were going to go that route with your buddy, the Pandora papers make more sense to me.
The Pandora papers make way more sense.
Vladimir Putin goes, shut it down.
You know, like, I don't, the world doesn't need to know about this.
So just shut it all down.
Do we think, so what are the top three reasons for this?
You're saying that it was a hack, China, something like that?
A data breach?
Facebook shut it down intentionally.
It was just an accident.
I don't think this doesn't seem coincidental.
What do you think?
Do I think this was an accident?
Like accidentally this happened?
No, I don't think this is an accident.
Do I think we know for a fact what happened?
No.
Do I think Facebook knows what happened?
Absolutely.
Do I think Facebook will reveal to the world what really happened?
Zero chance.
So everything else is until somebody on the inside decides to come out and be the next whistleblower to say what really happened to Facebook.
Everything's going to be speculation.
You can't beat my seat.
Yeah.
This seat is warm for you.
Come sit down.
Anybody from Facebook, Twitter, please, you know, you are going to do, you're going to be remembered, all right, for what you do in this world.
If you sit there and do nothing, again, we talked about it.
If you allow, if you do nothing, all right, that's all evil needs to win.
All right.
Come out and use the platform.
Speak your truth.
And let the world know.
Let me ask you a question.
Let me ask you a question.
Do you think the world's a better place without Facebook?
Like, you're saying, like, I was thinking Facebook and being gone?
Do you think, well, no, go back to what Adam said before, because that was a very good question.
Do you think Facebook as it currently exists is a good thing?
Do you think it should be broken up?
Well, to me, it's not about whether it's broken up or not.
If the answer to the question is Mark didn't know, yeah, you need seven CEOs running companies.
If Mark didn't know that this stuff is taking place, yeah, you need more leadership to do what they're doing.
No question about it.
Because it's too big.
Yeah, because if that if that's the case, but if Mark knows, so let's just say we talk to Mark, Mark.
Did you know about this?
I did not know about this.
No problem.
You need to be broken up.
You need more leadership.
How do you not know about this?
How important is this matter?
If this is true, how important is it to you, Mark?
Very.
It is.
Yeah.
So don't you think as a CEO of the company, you need to be aware of something that's very important to you?
Yes.
So who screwed up here?
Who needs to get fired?
Who didn't do their job?
Is there enough investment being made in people to watch over this?
Maybe right now you're only putting 1% of the company's revenue into it or profits into it.
Maybe you need to increase that to 3% if it's really important.
Maybe the amount of control needs to be internal.
Maybe there needs.
So that's the conversation I'm having.
That's purely a business conversation for me.
If Mark didn't know.
But let's circle back to what you talked about earlier with them being able to turn off content, them being able to shadow ban.
Mark Zuckerberg's not making that call.
Mark's not looking at it.
Where's Cheryl Sandberg and all this?
And what's the screening process for the people that hold their finger on the button?
Let me ask you a question.
So you got to be very careful when you're going there, by the way.
You got to be very careful if you're going.
People have to be very careful complaining about that.
Let me explain.
Because if we go in that route complaining about that a little bit too much, who's the only other person that is going to control that button?
I don't think there should be a button.
No, no.
Wait, there needs to be a button.
Let me explain why there needs to be a button.
The whole purpose of this guy, if there's no button, those videos will be live public to everybody.
Yeah.
No.
So that's not something.
Bro, let me put it to you this way.
First time you saw, again, we talked about this before.
First time you saw extreme porn, what did it do to you?
How old were you?
Like, it messes with a kid when you see that.
You're like, what the hell is this?
Like, you know how they say smoking weed is okay if you try it after 30 years old.
If you smoke weed too early, it's not good.
You do you.
It's too early for you.
I'm sorry for your kids watching Faces of Death.
Yeah.
That's a great example.
That's a great example.
I remember being like, what, 10, 12 years old?
You're like, oh man, like you've seen the faces of death.
And we're like, what's that?
And then you see someone getting shot.
I think some of that stuff was canceled.
And I don't think that stuff is too bad.
Sure, but what about that?
When we were talking to six millimeter, do you remember them?
Whatever the hell it was, snuff films?
Sure.
But if we're just talking about that binary, if we're talking about the binary extreme of too much censorship or too little censorship, give me too little all the time, every single time.
And that person who's posting that snuff, all right, everybody in the world will know who it is, and we can point the finger at them and we can say, that's who it is.
That's the backup.
That's the bad guy.
Go get it.
Get to my point earlier.
I learned about the broken windows theory from Rudy Giuliani, from our conversation with Rudy Giuliani.
It is in a remarkably small amount of people in the world that are committing heinous crimes.
And all you have to do is find that small.
You're saying do be the cop of those bad guys.
No, what I'm saying is that putting them in the shadows doesn't make the snuff go away.
It just makes it be in the shadows.
So censoring other people under the guise of somehow protecting the innocent is to me a horrible slippery slope.
You don't protect the innocent by silencing people that haven't done anything wrong.
And you don't give operatives power.
Okay.
I gotta be honest.
So I tend to agree with Gerard on this.
Yeah, do you have like a level setting?
You know what I mean?
Like a certain setting to saying, like, yeah, I want to see explicit content.
And therefore, like, people can, you know, okay, well, I want to see this face of the death.
I want to see this stuff.
Well, that's just what they have on the movies.
But with the 1366, whatever.
I think what the moderator was saying more than anything else is what these people were doing was remarkably illegal.
This was incest.
This was pedophilia.
This was bestiality.
These things are, in fact, illegal.
And the company that he works for, because we already said, report that to the authorities.
Because they know what he's saying.
He says why he's whistleblowing.
He said, these people are such idiots.
They left their license plate on there.
He says, in many cases, they left the streets where they lived on.
Like, you could go find these guys.
Like, they're idiots.
He could be a digital vigilante and say, you know what, I'm going to create this company.
I would guarantee you.
I would bet you anything that this guy has fantasized about being Batman.
He knows who these people are and going.
Yeah.
He needs to be protected.
To your point.
Like, seriously.
You got to expose the shadows with the sunlight.
You gave that reference.
These people are going to be doing some wild shit regardless.
And if they're that foolish and that sloppy to show their home address or show their license plate and they do it on Facebook or Facebook Live and they get caught, I'd rather them get caught than just continue to do that.
So you're saying leave 100% of the stuff on?
I'm not saying 100%.
I'm definitely not saying 100%.
But these people are going to be doing illegal, weird, crazy, psychopathic stuff regardless.
I'm not advocating 40 years ago.
I'd like to catch them here.
I'm not advocating for that.
I think we're all on the same page.
Pat, was he afraid of his well-being?
No.
I don't think so at all.
Really?
No.
I would be scared shitless.
Yeah, I'd be like, man, like.
But this is a guy that's gotten, he's not somebody that's married.
He's a guy that's like, listen, I'm just doing this because I want this stuff to stop.
I'm not trying.
He says, I don't want money for this.
He says, I don't want to, I'm just trying to future.
Here's my question for you.
Are these whistleblowers heroes?
I think the different word for me is necessary.
I don't know if I feel comfortable saying heroes or not.
They may be.
I mean, for somebody that's exposing this stuff, they're sitting there saying they are heroes.
But it's very easy in a situation like this to blame everything on Zuck and Dorsey.
It's very easy to do that.
For us, oh, it's all Zucker's.
Zucker works for us.
That's what it is.
Okay.
Yeah, fine.
Yeah, there's some responsibility on the guy at the top, which is what?
Everything rises and falls on leadership?
Fine.
Yes, got it.
And then there's some responsibility on the leadership team that knows about this, what they're doing about it.
My only concern is if this thing gets to the government, if the government controls that button, you don't want that.
No.
I can guarantee you don't want that.
Look, an insurance company that we were doing business with back in the days, Aviva.
I don't know if you remember Aviva or not.
Back in 2007, 2006, they were the number one insurance company for this product called the IUL.
They were killing it with annuities and life.
I never hear about Aviva anymore.
Yeah, because they were bought out.
It's a different company now.
By the way, let's stick to Aviva.
And one day, everybody gets a call and says, hey, have you noticed they're no longer taking as many policies as they were?
Now, this is people that told me.
I never did business with Aviva, but this is like 50 people told me this.
I said, no, why?
What happened?
He says, it seems like, you know, they're no longer taking underwriting like they did because they used to.
I submit 50 clients like this.
They accepted all 50 of them.
But the last 10 clients I submitted like this, they're no longer taking it.
What the hell is going on here?
So then from the outside, word got out that they controlled the knob.
And the knob is underwriting.
Underwriting is we will take a client at this level and we will not take a client at this level.
So you just simply control the knob.
But in insurance, you make money when you no longer take premium, meaning it takes seven years for an insurance policy to be profitable to the insurance carrier.
So it's not a short-term play.
It's a long-term.
That number you hear about is typically seven years.
Okay.
So if they have to control the knob and say, ooh, here's where we're going to go.
Great.
I don't mind if Aviva has that knob to control.
I worry if the government controls that knob.
Because Aviva controls that knob, guess what?
There's 50 other insurance companies I can go to.
Yeah, it's going to be disruptive.
Yeah, it's going to be annoying.
Yeah, you know, I can't believe you did this.
Yeah, and they did some stuff that was very shady, but they controlled the knob.
We went to another insurance company.
You can go, I'm going to go to this insurance company.
Great.
And we interviewed with them.
We went to a different insurance company.
And the guys that were there at that time, they said, yep, who left to another company?
I said, that actually happened.
That's what we were going through.
So I would still much rather keep this on Facebook than put this on the government.
Because all it takes is one guy to come in and he knows like what you talked about with what Obama did with IRS.
One guy to come in, forget about it.
Forget about it.
Forget about it.
So think about it right now.
We're talking all of a sudden, starts doing the spinning thing and the video is not going and boom, podcast taken down.
You can't have this types of conversations.
How many people today?
This thing's going to end up getting, say, 80,000 views.
Let's just say, give or take.
80,000, 100,000, just this podcast.
The short clips, say, gets a million views.
Okay.
Total, this thing gets one and a half million views total with short clips.
How many people you think you shifted their mindset?
How many people do you actually think out of the million and a half, you got them to think and go home and talk to their husband, their wives, their kids, their friends, their peers, their coworkers?
How many people have their mindset been shifted by listening to this podcast?
If just one thing shifted, you mean shifted?
No, it shifted like to the point where, you know, I got to tell you, I was listening to a podcast today and the guys were talking about this.
And you know what this bodybuilder filter?
I don't know.
Yeah, but this guy's seven.
Oh, no, I know who he is.
Okay.
And they were talking with this other guy named Jerard and Adam said this and they were saying this.
And I got to tell you, I'm wondering, what do you guys think about this?
Because so then it's like, you know what?
I'm having a hard time believing this now.
And then that conversation goes to one person, two, three, four, five, eight, fifty, hundred, two hundred.
That's shifting mindset.
You're getting people to start questioning certain things.
How many people out of the million and a half you think are thinking right now?
And they're shifting, their mindset's being shifted.
What do you think?
What do you think that number is?
I actually want you to think about this.
Kai, what do you think that number is?
1,500.
1,500.
Okay.
What do you think that number is?
You want like 0.01% type of a deal?
Whatever you're going to set the over-under at, I'm taking the under.
Okay.
So you're going to say less than 1%.
Whatever you're going to set the over-under is, I'm taking the under.
Okay.
So can you, instead of being so technical, gambler from Vegas, give us a number.
1%, half a percent?
Well, if there's any indication of what's going on in our country, we use these stats all the time that 45% of people are going to vote Democrat, 43 are going to percent vote Republican, 3% are going to pull Libertarian, and then there's maybe 10%, maybe that are changable.
You're right.
So what percent?
So 10%.
If that, great.
I'm going to go lower.
Let's just say 50%.
Let's just say 10,000 people.
Let's say 1,000 to 10,000 people.
Say single digits.
Let's say it's 1,000 people.
Say it's 1,000 people.
You know what 1,000 people leads to?
1,000 leads to 10,000, 200,000 very quickly.
It's conversations you had that leads to dot But imagine if you can't have those conversations anymore.
So that's why I don't want that button to be controlled by the government.
I just don't.
You know, that's a great point.
And to be honest, you know, I really don't even care about changing people's minds.
I just want them to start questioning what they are.
They are being told.
I want them to, I just shifting mindset.
Not changing mindsets.
But just shifting mindsets.
Yeah, just question, like, you know what, man?
Just be inquisitive.
You know, David, David, you over there?
You're wake, bro.
I'm listening.
When you first came in, right?
When you for you, you're a little younger.
You're in a demographic.
I'm sure that you had a mentality or I'm sure that you had an opinion of capitalists or whatever before you came here.
And now, six months later, has that opinion changed at all?
Yeah, absolutely.
I think I'd had like a vague understanding of everything.
Just kind of what you see online.
But now, obviously, being more immersed in it and seeing you guys discuss it day to day, it's definitely changed my opinion on a lot of things.
And I see things through a different sort of glass.
I think just humanizing different perspectives is the most important thing.
Like, we are more and more driven.
And maybe it's because, like, what she said on 60 Minutes, Facebook is trying to do this.
You know, these people are libtards.
These people are idiots.
These people are maggots.
These people, right?
And it's humanizing somebody with a different perspective is an incredibly important thing because we are so much more alike than we are different.
All right.
Even me and you, Cammie.
Me and you are so much more alike than we are different, right?
But you know, he's talking to Kamala Harris.
Gerard just stepped out of his comfort zone.
She's staring at me.
She's looking right at me.
But dude, she's giving that little, I hate how manipulated we are in this moment.
I hate feeling manipulated, and I hope other people are recognizing that manipulation.
They don't have to agree.
They can disagree, but I want them to recognize the manipulation.
That's my goal more than anything else.
Okay, let's talk about our next thing.
Schumer escalates pressure on debt limit plan plans vote next week.
Page five.
And there's a follow-up to this.
Okay.
Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer ratcheted up pressure on Republicans in their feud over raising the national debt limit, announcing Thursday he will seek a vote as early as next week on a House pass legislation suspending the legal ceiling.
Senate Republicans have twice blocked the debt ceiling measures from advance in the 50-50 chamber where 60 votes are needed to proceed on most legislations.
If they want to oppose this measure and bring us closer to financial disaster, they can write their name in the history books as a senator that would let the country default for the first time ever.
But Republicans need to get out of the way so Senate Democrats can address this issue quickly and without endangering the stability of our economy.
So Schumer says this.
Now, Kristen Sinema goes to the bathroom and folks are following her.
I had a chance to watch the video you were telling me about this.
And they literally follow her to the stall, like not to the bathroom door, to the stall.
And the camera's on.
She goes in the stall, comes out.
She says this is very inappropriate because, you know, her and Schumer is not for it.
But how far do you think this is going to go with the situation on raising the debt limit?
Where do you think this is going to go, Gerard?
Does anybody think this is not getting passed?
I think the only thing is a dollar mount.
You think three and a half is going to get passed?
I think it's all negotiation.
You ask for three and a half.
I demand one and a half.
We settle on 2.7 and the American pays for it all.
I mean, how many times have we seen this game?
This is how we govern now.
You know, the remarkable failure of our current government is to pass horrible, horrible legislature and then use years of horrible legislature to take away what we did.
The way that we legislate now, for people that don't know how pork works inside of bills, they say it.
We need to pass it so we know what's in it.
We need to pass it so we know what's in it.
So we get this insane 50,000-page bill that's written by lobbyists.
It's not written by our actual elected officials anymore.
Lobbyists, all right?
Professional bribers put parts of the bill in.
Then they pass the bill based on nothing more than party affiliation.
And then over the course of the next five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten years, the more egregious aspects of the bill will be whittled away within pork inside of other bills.
So in the 2027 budget, there will be an addendum on page 3,290, you know, addendum 13, part B, section 2, that says, okay, the gas mile tax that we put in under the Biden Infrastructure Act in 2001 was a bad idea.
We're getting rid of that.
So we'll have that bill for seven years.
It's a constant kick that can.
All right.
Again, guys, why are we paying?
Why are we paying taxes?
If all we have to do to fund everything, if it costs nothing, why are they taking your money?
Why are they taking your money?
And why are they taking your money?
Why don't you guys just print more money?
If this is what we're doing now, if we're all Keynesians now, why are you taking people's money, spending more of it than you have, and then giving them a bill for the future as well?
And we're just sitting here taking it.
We just sit here and go, oh, yeah, no problem.
We can't default.
How dare we default?
If these guys can't run the country on $5 trillion, how are they going to run us?
The system is set up that way, right?
And then you got Mansion comes out and says, $1.5 trillion is my limit that I'm going to go on the Biden economics agenda.
Emmett battle with progressive.
This is a CNN story.
Moderate Democratic, he says, has made it clear $1.5 trillion was a price tag that he was willing to settle on his party plan to expand the safety net, putting him $2 trillion away from the lowest number of progressive Democrats have said they would expect.
I've never been a liberal in any way, shape, or form.
Mansion said, I'm willing to come from zero to one and a half trillion.
Manchin has noted that Congress has spent $5.4 trillion since last March in response to the pandemic.
And he has asked, he asked, at some point, all of us, regardless of party, must ask the simple question, how much is enough?
You got to love this guy.
Yeah.
You got to love this guy.
Yeah.
The fact that they have like, what, the 2,500-page report, I'll be damned if anyone shows me something like that and you can't tell me 50 pages of it.
That's my problem.
Pat, you run an insurance company.
If you had 2,000 freaking pages of like policies and this and that and the other, you would definitely be able to just discuss this and be able to expand everything to spend, if it's the decision, because what's $3.5 trillion?
What part of the GDP is $3.5 trillion?
What percentage of the GDP?
Is that like 1.7% now?
No.
17%?
What percentage?
What's our GDP?
20 trillion?
So that's how I'm doing it.
$20 trillion, $3.5 trillion on $20 trillion, $17%.
There we go.
So if the company is doing $100 million, easy math.
So, yeah, this thing's going to cost us $17 million.
Yeah, no, no.
You don't just say, let's go ahead and do it.
It's going to be a ton of research, commentary, going back and forth.
Why do we need to spend 17%?
Why can't we take?
Of course, we're going to have a lot of color behind it.
But these guys are sitting there saying, listen, let's just go get that $17 million and then find out what we're going to do with this money.
Tell me one bank that's going to say yes.
So essentially in a situation like this, we're the bank and the bankers are saying, don't worry about it, go ahead and do it.
That's the part that I'm uncomfortable with where it's like, you know, and I know we voted our leaders for them to go hash this out and make the decision for themselves, but still.
And there's no accountability to what happens with that money.
So you take on that money, you take on that debt, you run a company, and you default or you don't use that money wisely.
What happens to you and your company?
You're out of business.
Banks.
Serious consequences.
Serious consequences.
What happens to these guys?
It's not their money.
They get re-elected.
They get re-elected.
They get re-elected because the amount of people that they give the money to.
There's a carrot.
Where's the stick?
Anyways, by the way, we are getting to the end of it.
I do want to give a shout out to a couple people.
We haven't even covered everybody that's given these super chats.
One of the ones I'll give is Julie Swenson gave $49 saying, I saw the interview with the whistleblower.
I now question myself, do I get off the platform or stay for business?
What does that say about me, my morals, my values?
Anyone else feel this way?
Pretty happy for Jane.
Is that other people who come from the vault?
Peter Swenson?
I think so.
That's a great question for her to ask.
But, you know, we may do Yanomi Park tomorrow.
We're still talking about it.
We may do something on podcasts tomorrow because I'm not here Thursday.
I'm out of town this week.
So we're not going to podcast on the show.
We've got to get her early because I think she flies out Wednesday.
What time is it?
Okay, we'll figure it out if we can.
If we can, we'll do podcasts tomorrow.
So folks, stay tuned.
We're definitely not doing it on Thursday because I'm out of town, but we may do it tomorrow.
With that being said, if you've not seen the interview with Sean Spiegel Kai, put that link both in the chat box as well as in the commentary for folks to see.
And if you like what we're doing, gang, here's how you can help us.
If you want to see this thing continue, give us a thumbs up, share this with your peers, and subscribe to the channel.
The bigger this gets, the more messages being heard, the more time we'll put into this podcast as well.
That's the way you'll show us if you like the content that we're putting in.
Let's maybe make a challenge.
Well, let's give people a homework assignment.
Let's watch that episode, Sean Spiegel.
That's the homework assignment.
And then, you know, we're odds people here, right?
We're currently, this is episode 93.
We're currently sitting at 87,000 subscribers.
By episode 100, we got to hit 100,000.
Is that realistic, Pat?
I think that's very realistic.
Can we make that happen?
I think that's so.
Can you tell your friends?
Realistic.
If you like Gerard, tell your friends about Gerard.
Who doesn't like Phil?
If you hate me, all good.
I love you too.
Soy man, but tell your friends, get part of this.
You got to fill the description of that video.
I just want to look them up.
His name is not searchable.
So the description for that video needs to be put up there.
I don't know if you know what I'm saying or not.
Yeah, there's nothing on there that you can't find that interview.
But we'll handle that.
And if you haven't put the link below yet, I just posted it on the chat.
There you go and put in the comment section.
And I know we've got one minute left.
Yeah.
But, you know, as a not a car guy, I got to bring up this car situation.
What the hell was that?
How did we go?
Oh, we can't go two hours.
No, but give us a little 60-second, gone in 60 seconds.
When the hell was that?
You drove it.
How was it yesterday when you drove it?
Honestly.
A dream.
Can you put up the picture by the way?
Unreal.
What have you driven so the audience knows what else you've driven?
I've driven LaFerrari.
I've drove a Chiron Bugatti.
I've driven a Pista.
I've driven McLaren's.
I've driven a car.
You're a car guy.
Absolutely.
This are you a car guy?
I'm not.
I'm a subway guy, but I got to tell you, this car right here.
Look how sexy.
Man, congrats, Pat.
I mean, it's a cool car.
Congrats.
Pat, I'm going to blow your mind a little bit.
What?
It does nothing for me.
I know it does.
I know.
I know it does.
But I love that you get in there and you're like, oh, oh.
Oh, no.
That's how you are when you get in a lift.
Oh, my gosh.
A lift.
A lift.
Amazing.
I see how excited.
Now, that would be free, man.
That would be some big time content.
We get you an Uber account and you start Ubering around.
Classic.
Well, I'll tell you, I'll give you a quick little story.
I was in a lift last night at this Oslo Freedom Farm.
I knew this girl.
We were going to go out to this after-party thing.
We get in the lift.
She's from Berkeley.
Super smart girl.
You know, very attractive.
She gets in the lift.
I'm an experienced Uber lift guy.
We get in.
She's got her mask on.
I don't have my mask on because I just, you know, I'm good.
