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July 27, 2021 - PBD - Patrick Bet-David

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PBD Podcast | EP 78

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	Let me give a compliment to Gerard.
	Ever since we are live.
	If we had to take a picture of Gerard from the day he came here versus today, night and day.
	I know we're live.
	I just want to say that's a compliment.
	Well, he got a great haircut.
	Thank you.
	Well, no, he looks better.
	He's got the new haircut.
	I don't know whether you call that a vanilla ice haircut or Hollywood haircut, but he's got a good haircut.
	Okay, by the way, did you guys hear about Simone Biles?
	Oh, yeah.
	I heard she got taken off the Olympics just now, like 30 minutes ago, an hour ago.
	What's going on?
	Injury?
	No, no, no.
	Anxiety.
	Anxiety.
	Mental.
	Mental pressure, mental anxieties.
	It's real out there.
	Was this common 10 years ago, 12 years ago, in the Olympics?
	Anxiety, depression?
	We had anxiety and depression when I played, but we just drank it away.
	Like, that was – No, no, I'm actually being serious.
	That was – I'm – I am being serious.
	I am an alcoholic.
	Literally.
	I'm self-medicated.
	That's why there's so many.
	I don't know.
	I think that, look, media scrutiny is different.
	It's just different.
	I've never had media scrutiny at this level.
	Well, more than media scrutiny, it's all the commentary that comes with the media scrutiny.
	If you're reading the comments, I can get ugly.
	I've learned the hard way.
	Read the comments.
	I will tell the value.
	Do it or the best.
	The value taters.
	The valutators, I will say, are very interesting, at least in the comments.
	They're very funny.
	I do, whether they like me or they don't, they're very funny in the comments.
	The commentary actually is.
	There's some actually legit standard people.
	Do you actually read the comments or no?
	Not really.
	Not really.
	No.
	On value tame economics, I do.
	There's a lot of like saved out.
	You're amazing.
	Sorry, on your post yesterday.
	I talked to you guys.
	I talked to Valuable.
	Talk about the post yesterday.
	Did you see his post yesterday?
	So he posts a job opportunity, right?
	And we talked about it last week.
	Why did I see that?
	The guy is notorious for taking care of his employees, right?
	But he puts out something.
	He's like, I need immediate hire.
	All right.
	I'm going to give somebody a job.
	And the first thing is like, you're not paying enough.
	Screw you.
	This and that.
	And this woman comes in and was like, I would never work for you.
	And he's like, this is in the comments.
	Yes.
	You should see it.
	It was ugly.
	He's like, I don't think you really fit the culture.
	And you look at her profile and it was perfect.
	It was perfect.
	It was like, she was basically like Antifa Jane, man.
	Like, it was like, I could just imagine her in this office place.
	So it was two job postings for bookers, $60,000.
	Oh, I heard a plus bonus, plus four, $1K plus benefits, right?
	Can I apply?
	We're willing to pay relocation fee to yourself.
	This guy from Dubai says, it's pathetic.
	Why are you paying him this much?
	So what I do is I go to salary.com, ZipRecruiter, and different websites that tell you what a talent booker's salary is in South Florida.
	It's $42,000 or $58,000.
	I put $60,000 plus bonus.
	I comment back.
	I said, you haven't been a booker before?
	Do you know what a booker gets paid?
	And these guys go back and forth.
	Anyways, the point is, you know, one, I enjoy trolls.
	I have fun with them to me.
	It doesn't bother me.
	What bothers me is the fact that, you know, you're seeing today with Olympics, the amount of pressure that, you know, I'm trying to see if this is real pressure that athletes have on anxiety, how to deal with it.
	Is it, hey, if you're doing that as well, I'm also going to do it since you can also step out and not want to compete, then I'm going to do it.
	Because even the girl from Japan, the tennis player, lost yesterday.
	I don't know if you know.
	Osaka.
	Yeah, Osaka's out.
	Well, she, what, didn't she?
	She went into court.
	She wanted to take a break.
	She doesn't want to talk to the media and all these other things.
	Is this something where sports has to take seriously to give?
	Because she proposed giving days off.
	Like, here's the amount of days I could have for media.
	Is that something sports should consider?
	Hey, I got five days off today.
	I don't want to talk to the media about it.
	Okay.
	So I have two feelings on this.
	Two feelings that I feel pretty strong.
	Do they both involve alcohol?
	No, but wow, okay.
	Yeah.
	The first one is, man, that whenever you're doing any sort of athletics, right?
	And I can only imagine in the Olympics specifically where it's four years of training for this one moment.
	It's all this pent-up aggression.
	Most of sports, and this is when I was playing, this is what people don't understand.
	Like, most of it sucks.
	Most of it's not fun.
	They see you out there and you're hitting the ball and you're running, you're having fun and you're pimping home runs, and they're like, this is fun, man.
	Those three hours are the most fun hours that you can have.
	Those hours under the lights are amazing.
	But everything leading up to that sucks.
	It really does, man.
	The practice, the protocols, depending on like how strict the team and the organization is, you feel like you have no personal autonomy at all.
	And you've given so much of your life to this dream.
	You've missed birthdays.
	You've missed weddings.
	You've been away from your family.
	You go across the world.
	You literally give everything up, give up relationships.
	You give everything up for this.
	It's all there.
	But you got to kind of find your why.
	So for a lot of us, it's like, I love my family.
	The chance for generational wealth.
	Like, I'm going to do something for my family.
	Now, with the Olympics, it was the love of country.
	It was, I'm going to represent my people back home.
	I'm going to represent, I'm standing up for something.
	I don't know if that love of country is still there.
	I don't even think that's a major factor in this moment.
	I think it's just the, you want to achieve greatness.
	Can you pull up the Twitter post?
	What I'm saying is that when you're in an individual level, I can tell you the biggest difference between college baseball for me and minor league baseball was I gave a shit whether my team won in college.
	I loved my teammates and I cared if we won.
	And in the minor leagues, I didn't.
	Matter of fact, all I wanted to do was go to a different team.
	I just wanted to move up.
	I wanted to do well enough that I could leave these guys behind.
	You know what I'm saying?
	So I think when you individualize your sports so much, you end up taking all of the negative too much on you because you're not able to relish in the team victory.
	You're not able to relish in what we're doing as a group.
	The we is definitely bigger than the me when it comes to.
	So the other day, Sports Center posted this on July 25th on Twitter.
	France hands the U.S. men's basketball team, their first loss in the Olympics is 2004, snapping their 25-game Olympic winning streak.
	Even Fournier led the way with 28 points in win, Tokyo 2020, right?
	Okay, even though it's 2021.
	Anyways, at the top, I put there are two ways the U.S. basketball team can motivate themselves to win.
	Number one is love of the game.
	Number two is love of their country.
	There is where someone on the team, this is where someone on the team has to bring up the pride of representing the great country, the greatest country in the world.
	This only works if they actually believe it.
	Now go above, to the tweet above it.
	Go right above it and see what's right above it.
	Keep going, right there.
	Luka Donic went off for 48 points in his Olympic debut.
	Donic and Slovenia defeat Argentina 118 to 100 in the country's first ever Olympic men's basketball game.
	When asked, what would mean more to him, winning an NBA championship or gold medal for his country, his gold medal for his country?
	He said the gold medal for his country, right?
	So because he's got love and pride for his country.
	Look, it's very hard if you're coming off of 2020 with COVID and everything took place.
	And what are you fighting for?
	What does a gold medal really mean?
	Now they're talking about, hey, you're going to have to pay this much taxes because it's gold and you're coming back.
	And everything is diminishing the value of winning for your country.
	Go to the metal leaders.
	Go to the metal leader right now.
	I think U.S. is at 22.
	I think U.S. gold neck and China's at 21.
	Yeah, China's trying to make a point here.
	Kai, you just have to put metal count 2020 Olympics.
	You're writing a paragraph.
	Oh, my God.
	Buddy, just go back, and I'm telling you, just write metal count U.S. Olympics.
	Metal count.
	That's it.
	This is how far he has to go to find the medal for Norway.
	Should be all the way at the top.
	There you go.
	Okay, so we got what?
	Oh, Japan's got the most gold.
	They just passed them up right now, by the way.
	That's a 30 minutes.
	United States, though, number one overall.
	Then it's China 21, then it's ROC, which is Russia at 18.
	By the way, the Armenian guy won the gold medal yesterday.
	In April, he had an Achilles heel.
	He tore his Achilles heel in April.
	In April, he tore his Achilles heel.
	He lands.
	Can you go on Twitter to show this guy right?
	Go to Twitter all the way at the top.
	Search right there.
	Check this out.
	What sport?
	Just make this thing bigger so they can hear the audio.
	Okay, make it big.
	Bring it back.
	So there you go.
	But you see what's going on with the Olympic.
	You got to love your country, man, to win it.
	I understand there's a part of it, like when you're driving somebody to win in a sports team, in business, in a company.
	First thing everybody thinks about is who?
	What's the first thing everybody thinks about?
	Themselves.
	Yeah, of course.
	And it's okay.
	What's in it for me?
	Which is what?
	For the rest of your life.
	It's natural, though.
	By the way, I don't say it in a bad way.
	You're right.
	That's a form of capitalism.
	Ayn Rand agrees with you, just so you know, she wrote a book about it.
	I think her books are going to catch on one of these days.
	Hopefully it will with you.
	But the point is, naturally.
	Take a shots.
	Naturally, you're Ayn Rand.
	But here's the point.
	The point is there has to be a point where it's you.
	So you sit there and you say, okay, what's in it for me?
	For the rest of your life, you're going to be a gold medalist.
	For the rest of your life, this isn't one time.
	For the rest of your life.
	The guy from Milwaukee Bucks said, guys, for the rest of your life, you're going to be called a champ.
	Last night I had my kids watch the movie.
	We finished the movie.
	You know what movie it is.
	The fighter.
	The fighter.
	Gerard comes in and he says, you're watching a fighter with your kids.
	I say, you're watching a fighter with the kids.
	And my dad's sitting there.
	My dad's like, what in Assyrian?
	What are you doing?
	What is the matter with you?
	It's actually a good.
	By the way, it's like 600 F-bombs.
	No joke.
	If you've ever seen that movie, it's like, motherfuck, it's nonstop.
	Is that with Christian Bale?
	It is.
	He kills it.
	And Christian Adam's just beautiful white trash hot.
	That's like your perfect white trash, hot.
	If you're white trash and you're hot, come holler at my boy Gerard.
	Feed me a grilled cheese and a perhaps blue ribbon, baby.
	There's a part where they go into the bedroom and she's got this two-piece on.
	I think it's a black, nice lingerie on.
	And they're going and like, Tico, Dylan, look at me.
	So Tico's like, looking at me.
	But Dylan's going like this.
	Dylan's like, no, I'm on a lucky.
	Let the boy watch.
	But here's the point.
	We watched a movie, and there's a part I positive because, like, Daddy, there's a lot of cursing.
	Tico says, I said, I want you to know something here.
	I said, there's a big difference between you and I.
	He says, what's that?
	I said, that's the world I grew up in.
	I grew up in where that's normal.
	At 10 years old, I didn't have a daddy around me.
	That's normal to me.
	That's abnormal to you.
	You will never experience that for the rest of your life.
	The only way you can see how the reality is for many people is by watching movies.
	And they do a great job explaining that.
	That is real for millions of people in America, but it's not real for you.
	We're all one decision away from ruining the whole thing.
	There's a scene where he's in his corner.
	Dickie is in the corner with Mickey.
	Mickey Ward.
	Mickey's fighting for their championship.
	Who's the fighter here?
	Mickey Ward is fighting.
	The actor.
	The actor.
	Christian Bale and Mark.
	Mark Wahlberg.
	Mark Wahlberg's a fighter.
	Christian Bale's like the skinny brother, right?
	So he goes to jail.
	He comes out and he cleans his act, and he's his corner.
	And it's the last round.
	He comes and he says, Mickey, I fought Sugaray Leonard.
	I was able to knock him out.
	Now, they say trip, knock him out.
	That's the whole debate in the movie, right?
	He says, I never won a championship.
	He says, do this for you first.
	Do it for me second.
	Do it for Lowell third.
	Do it for the family, fourth.
	But it starts with doing for who?
	You first.
	These Olympians, man, these basketball players, you got to do it for you.
	You got to do it your family.
	You got to do it for your country.
	All are necessary to have, to drive.
	If you don't have those three, what's the motivator?
	So it's going to be interesting to see what happens.
	But I don't know.
	I wonder if this anxiety thing is going to go away.
	And I wonder if there's anything the sports league, you know, Olympics can do about it or it's something that's going to be inevitable.
	You got to deal with it.
	Back to the original point about Olympics and Simone Biles is pulling out, and you talked about Osaka.
	You know, they talk about pressure makes diamonds, right?
	And you always see these very talented sports figures, and you wonder, like, what happened to that guy?
	How did she not make it?
	They were so talented, and talent alone doesn't make it.
	There's obviously your physical health, but mental health, anxiety, depression.
	And I think that we're talking about is a good thing.
	I mean, look at, think about it.
	For the last year during COVID, nobody talked about this, at least initially.
	Now I think it's a very out there thing.
	People, you talk about all the time that everything was locked down.
	The gyms are locked down.
	Parks are locked down, especially in certain states, but they kept the liquor stores open and what have you.
	And people are home with their pills and it's depressing.
	Listen, I can attest to it.
	And I live this, okay?
	And we train our bodies and we train, you know, our minds as far as we do as much research as possible.
	We watch film, but we really don't train like our soul.
	Like, we don't train our mental well-being.
	And matter of fact, it's the other way.
	They train us that if you're not working hard, somebody else is outworking you.
	If you didn't make it, it's because you didn't work hard enough, regardless of the circumstances.
	It's on you, which is really nonsensical.
	And I'll be real.
	You know, Pat was talking about how I'm looking better and stuff like that.
	My weight gain and all that stuff came from hating my body.
	It came from actively being like, you failed me.
	I didn't make it to the big leagues.
	I wasn't good enough.
	You know, screw it.
	I'm just going to drink.
	I'm going to eat.
	I'm going to do whatever the hell.
	I'm going to do everything.
	I'm not happy.
	Let me double down on unhappiness.
	What happens is you're not in a mental state of being able to ascertain that you're unhappy.
	You're like, I was repressed for all these years.
	I was 225, 8% body fat.
	I did everything they told me to do and it didn't work.
	So here's the question.
	So screw it.
	I'm going to go the other way.
	And then what ends up happening is then it becomes a downward spiral where then you're constantly chasing serotonin.
	You're constantly chasing the endorphins.
	The other big thing with guys is like, when you're an athlete, you're a warrior.
	You got to play.
	You got to get out there.
	We don't know what kind of injuries these people have.
	You look at Andrew Luck.
	Like, Andrew Luck, he gave up, what, $50, $60, $70 million?
	Because why?
	He just didn't want to take pills anymore.
	He woke up every morning.
	He was like, man, I need to get 10 Percocets just to get to lunch.
	And then when the game is over, when they're done with you, I can't tell you how many athletes, pitchers particularly, that they'd get released.
	We got a friend Zach.
	And then your body doesn't say I don't need Percocet anymore.
	Make it, give me your solution.
	What's your solution?
	Solution to this is we need to destigmatize, although I hate that word, we need to destigmatize powerful people, alpha people, high competitive people getting mental health treatment.
	The same way you work on your body, I like that.
	You have to work on your mind.
	It should be mandatory, mandatory for these people to get therapy once a week.
	They should have to do some sort of introspective, you know, reactive thing where they're not being judged, where they're not being graded, where they're not competing, where it's just.
	How is that not a thing already?
	Like behind the, like the team, there's team doctors.
	So psychiatrists, how's that not a thing?
	Flip it, though.
	Did you ever have a time where you were absolutely depressed and used party and women and alcohol to kind of get over a face of your life?
	Yeah, yeah.
	You ever had that?
	Yes.
	Okay, I had that as well.
	It gets worse and worse.
	By the way, just so you know, when you say military, when you say sports, the same thing in the military.
	Just so you know, military is a there's a lot of depression in the military, a lot of pressure in the military.
	A lot of they control you.
	There's a lot of stuff that happens in the military that is.
	So what do we do with it?
	I drank more alcohol in those 28 months of being in the Army than I've drank my entire life.
	In that two and a half years of being in the Army, I drank more than I have my entire life.
	Matter of fact, I can tell you, I drank more in a six-month run in the Army than I have my entire life.
	I mean, that's just a fact on what happened.
	And what were we escaping?
	I mean, you're escaping reality is what you're doing.
	Anxiety, yeah.
	But here's the point.
	This is the part of it.
	This is the part of it where I'm going with you.
	Is it like, is it something where that's part of the filtering process to see who has the goodies to handle the pressure?
	Because let me give you an idea.
	For myself, I run a business.
	I've been in sales 2013, 2014.
	I tell you 100%, for a year plus, I had anxiety attacks every day for a year plus.
	My palms would sweat.
	I would constantly go around this anxiety, okay?
	And one day I'm coming back.
	I go to the hospital at 2 o'clock in the morning and I'm shaking.
	They do my testing.
	It was nothing.
	The guy's like, you're just exhausted.
	And he's like, seriously, you got to take a break.
	You're exhausted.
	Your body's put me on IV.
	This happened like five, six times in my lifetime where I'm pushing too hard.
	And I realize, hey, a little bit, get some IVs, go back at it again, right?
	But I was running out of money.
	I can't go to my wife and tell her we're running out of money.
	She just had a miscarriage.
	I've told everybody I'm starting a business.
	I'm down to my last penny.
	I'm about to lose another carrier.
	This is the most difficult phase.
	I have nobody to talk to.
	You're what age at this point?
	This is seven years ago, buddy.
	Eight years ago, 13, whatever 13 is.
	Eight years ago, I'm 32?
	No, 34 years old.
	Okay.
	Now, my entire life, I grew up poor.
	I don't have any money.
	We've never lived in a house.
	It's always been in an apartment complex.
	It's never been like, hey, look at her.
	I don't know what the first time I lived in a place with a swimming pool, apartment or house, I was 30 years old.
	I don't know what it is to have a swimming pool, right?
	First time I bought Jordan's Jays, I was 32.
	There was always this feeling of, what if we lose out?
	What if we lose out?
	This is the fear.
	You're busting your ass.
	You're a founder.
	You're the guy that's first generation money.
	How do you make all this stuff work?
	You're trying to take care of everybody, please everybody, make everybody happy.
	And then eventually it came to a point where, I tell you, for me, the savior was, first of all, I have to like the guy in the mirror.
	I have to get along with that guy.
	I have to spend the rest of my life with him.
	I always give my best.
	If I give my best, I have nothing to worry about.
	Why would I stress that if I have something to worry about?
	The judgment of Christianity of perfection, I don't live by that.
	I live by, you know, working on getting better.
	I'm still a Christian.
	I consider myself a Christian, but I'm somebody that's working on developing myself.
	I don't expect to walk on water.
	That pressure that kids are raised sometimes, having to walk on water without the ability to make mistakes, puts so much unnecessary pressure on them.
	I think these are talks that more alphas openly need to have for others to say, if that flipping alpha is comfortably talking about this, so I agree with you on that side.
	But I got to tell you the other side, Gerard.
	It's a filtering process, buddy.
	There's a part of it that, you know, Jordan talked about in the last stance.
	He says, when my dad was kicking my ass as a kid and I was being compared to my brother and I was challenged, he says, when you're going through that moment, it's so painful, but you have to get through it.
	I don't disagree with you, but I also don't think like Simone Biles is, she's proving herself.
	Like, you know what I'm saying?
	So Simone Biles, if Simone Biles is having a break moment, if Simone Biles, you know, the problem isn't that people, and there's going to be people in the comments.
	I talked about this a lot.
	I've tried to make it as open as possible to suicidal thoughts I had and everything else because I got through it and I want other people that I've talked to to feel empowered to be like, all right, go get this work done, man.
	This shit saved my life for real.
	So I think what ends up happening, though, is the more high-functioning you are, Pat, the more you want to achieve, the less likely you are to admit that you need the help.
	You're not the type of person to ask for the help.
	You're not the type of person to be like, hey, man, you need some help.
	No, screw you, bro.
	I got this.
	I'm the man.
	I got this.
	All I need to do is work harder or do this.
	Like, it's not about filtering out weakness.
	It's about being able to understand that maybe you need some help.
	I disagree.
	No, no, I agree and I disagree.
	I agree in a sense that up until 32, 33, I exactly felt that way.
	I don't need your help.
	I got this.
	Let me tell you, I was a kid.
	When I was a kid, never in my life have I gotten an allowance from my mom.
	This is something people have to know.
	I've never been given an allowance ever in my life.
	Never.
	Not one time.
	Jesus.
	Not one time.
	I've never been given an allowance, okay?
	Can I get 20 bucks?
	I don't want to go to the business.
	My dad, when I would see him every other week when my parents got a divorce, I'd get 10 bucks.
	And when I would come home, she would say, did you get an allowance?
	I said, he gave me 10 bucks.
	He says, we need it as a family.
	So I would give it to my mom, okay?
	Every week, every other week.
	He would come and pick me up at Virgil's.
	That would be the allowance.
	I've never had an allowance, right?
	So for me, there's a word called menat.
	Menat, if you can.
	She really was a communist.
	Your money's mom.
	She's illegitimate shit.
	But listen, she did her best raising us as a single mother, but she did have some beliefs that I don't agree with.
	So for me, in that moment as a kid, I sat there and I said, you know what?
	I don't ever want to owe anybody anything.
	You know that whole thing about being in debt is not a virtue to be in debt where you owe somebody money.
	Slavery, yeah.
	There's a part of it.
	The Bible says the borrowers are slave to the lender.
	Exactly.
	So I said, you know what?
	Screw this.
	So mom would go to sleep at 10 o'clock.
	She was a 10 o'clock person.
	At 10.30, I acted like I'm asleep.
	I would go out a shopping cart in the back.
	I would take the shopping cart.
	At 13, 14 years old, I would go in every single, and I'm not even kidding with you.
	I'd go to every trash, big trash, and I would collect two liter bottles and I would collect cans until 2 o'clock in the morning.
	I'd go to Albertson's in Glendale, off of Glendale, right next to video 2020.
	Back in the days, there's an IHOP right now.
	I don't even know if there's an IHOP.
	They're right off 134.
	I would recycle.
	I would make $10, $15, $20 per night, come back, go to sleep, wake up.
	She had no cloud, a few hundred.
	Why did you have to hide that?
	That what?
	I thought you were trying to make some money.
	Oh, you kidded me.
	That would have been her mother.
	No, no, it wasn't that.
	She didn't want me to leave home late at night.
	She was worried because there wasn't a father figure, so she was worried I'm going to go.
	She always thought I was a drug.
	It was a safety issue.
	Yeah, she thought I was a drug.
	And I'm the last person that would have made a great one, but I was never one that had aspirations of learning.
	Let me tell you why you need this heroin.
	Do you have heroin?
	Have you done the needs analysis?
	The point is, that feeling made me not need people until I learned in my early 30s, if your vision is big and you want to do something big, you have to use the word, I need your help.
	If you can't say the words, I need your help, your vision won't be clear.
	Well, we talk about it all the time.
	If you want to go fast, go alone.
	If you want to go far, go to the group.
	And I'll tell an anecdotal story about the fighter, just so that people know Pat is 100%.
	Not that they would ever think it other way, but that he's not full of shit.
	I sat there and there was a conversation going on when I first came in.
	You don't even probably know I was listening to this.
	When Mickey goes to see Dickie in jail and his sons are asking him, why is Dickie in jail?
	Well, because he got caught up in drugs.
	Well, that makes him a bad guy.
	That's what the sons are saying.
	Well, not everybody who does drugs is a bad guy.
	They make bad decisions.
	This is the conversation that's happening.
	And then I think it was Dylan that was like, can people who do drugs, do they ever get off?
	Well, you know, it's hard for them, but if they do, you have to support them.
	And that's the conversation that's happening right there.
	And I was like, man, that's a great conversation.
	First of all, the fact that the kids at that young age are having that conversation with you.
	But I mean, you walk it like you're talking, man.
	And you're like, look, they have to come back.
	They have to be willing to come back.
	But if they come back, you got to be willing to open up your arms as well.
	And I think that that's, so that's kind of like my thing, right?
	And maybe this is how we put a bow on this whole thing.
	It's like, I want these athletes to love America.
	I want to root for these athletes.
	I want Simone Biles to be able to be like, man, I want to do great for this country.
	Like, I want us, despite our differences, to be, I want that big hug moment.
	I want to be like, you know what, LeBron, man, you've said some things that I really disagree with.
	You know, I've said some things that have probably pissed you off.
	We're at odds with each other, but man, let's come back together, bro.
	I like watching LeBron play in that USA shirt.
	I like watching you win.
	I want to see you win for us, man.
	But I just, we're so kind of divided in this moment where if you were an athlete supporting, like, I can only imagine for a black athlete like Simone Biles, she's getting pulled in this direction.
	She's getting pulled in that direction.
	You better kneel.
	You better put your fist up.
	No, you better not.
	Like, she's like, I just want to do flips, man.
	I just want to do flips.
	And then you got to do all the COVID protocols and all this other stuff.
	She's like, if this COVID protocol stuff is for real, why am I even here?
	I'm halfway across the country.
	I don't want to die in Tokyo.
	Like, what am I doing here?
	I can see where it's a lot.
	Part of it is also to bring up what you brought up the last dance with Michael Jordan and you brought up a scene with his father and achieving greatness.
	But probably the most memorable scene was when he actually broke down in tears.
	You remember that part?
	When he goes, well, some people think that I'm an asshole or think that I'm a tyrant, but I just want to be like, you know, that's you.
	Yeah.
	Because you've never won anything before.
	And, you know, that's what I needed to do to get my teammates to win.
	It's a team sport talking to Team USA here, whatever.
	And that's what I needed to do.
	So if you've never done it, don't come at me like that.
	Break.
	Bro, cliche as it is, they're still humans, man.
	Just because they look like superhumans, act like superhumans, they're still humans.
	And, you know, like that's, you know, I don't have an answer.
	We're making, there's a lot of people like Stephen A. Smith, like making a hell of a lot of money.
	They make a whole lot of money doing nothing but playing Monday morning quarterback on every single decision somebody makes and just raising the pressure on people.
	I think they should have a compensation package that's based on accuracy.
	If you're calling.
	90% of guys that CNN would be fired.
	Okay.
	Same with Fox News, Pat.
	However, MSNBC put them all on there.
	I'm talking about sports, but if you want to get politics too, you should have a compensation package based on accuracy and predictions.
	So when Charles Barkley's like, I guarantee that the sons are going to win the finals.
	But to them, but that to me lost.
	No, Barkley's entertainment.
	Stephen A is not entertainment.
	Stephen A is journalism, and Stephen A is a different story.
	So for example, when you're talking about a person on CNN claims they're a journalist, but they're giving their bias nonstop.
	It's a propaganda.
	Very simple is what you're doing.
	If a person on MSNBC claims they're pitching whatever they're pitching, you ain't no journalist.
	You're a propaganda.
	Same goes with Fox when somebody gets up there and says what they say.
	I was having a conversation with David Harris Jr.
	I gave a talk a couple days ago in, where was I at?
	Where was that?
	Where was I at?
	Dallas.
	Dallas.
	I gave a talk in Dallas for this guy who was running this event called 8% Nation Cody.
	Had a chance to meet him, his wife, his family.
	I liked him a lot, a lot.
	And he had this partner, 6ix9ine guy.
	You can tell there was a lot of strong values there.
	David Harris Jr. sends me a message.
	Hey, you're in Dallas as I am.
	I said, he come down.
	He comes down.
	We start talking.
	Hang out on the back.
	It's me, himself, Matt Sopala, Curtis Seatman, Mario, Samville.
	We're sitting there having a conversation together.
	And he says, why do you think Sean Hannity gave that vaccination message at the end on Fox the other day?
	I said, what do you mean?
	He says, you think it's Murdoch?
	You think it's Fox?
	I said, there's only one person that can make Hannity give a message of vaccination on TV.
	Only one person and his wife.
	Tony Fowler.
	It is only Donald Trump.
	And the only reason that message is being said is because the world maybe doesn't know that in April, Trump and his wife got the COVID vaccine quietly.
	They went and got it done.
	So, Hannity is giving that message.
	And I said, this is my speculation.
	I may be wrong.
	My speculation is the fact that Trump is already strategizing his run, and he's already starting a campaign.
	And the one thing he doesn't want the left to hold over him is the fact that he's an anti-vax community representing conservatives.
	And he has to start off by the biggest people on the right, such as Hannity, to start saying, if you think it's good, go take it.
	Just make sure you talk to the experts, et cetera, et cetera.
	Right now, 99% chance Trump is running.
	There's no question about that.
	I'm at 100.
	Yeah, I'm not at 100%.
	What else is he doing?
	The only reason I'm not at 100% is because of a couple of the things that I was told, but 99%, I think he's going to be.
	He's going to be like, what?
	77%?
	77?
	Yeah.
	He's a couple years younger than Biden.
	Who's David Harris Jr., by the way?
	David Harris Jr. is a guy that's a black conservative, one of these guys that's got a few hundred million viewers.
	Very, very popular.
	Incredible, incredible communicator, incredible communicator, and got a great story.
	Married 27 years, family guy, beautiful family, two beautiful.
	I mean, just a beautiful family's got there.
	Married 27 years.
	How old is he?
	He's 46.
	Yeah.
	Married 27.
	Okay, David Harris.
	You gotta take it easy.
	How long was your marriage?
	Couple, couple minutes.
	So, anyway, so if you guys want to get into a couple of the stories, let's get to a couple of the stories.
	Since we already touched up all the Olympics, why don't we get into it?
	Tokyo Olympics opening draws 16.7 million U.S. TV viewers, 33-year low.
	That's pretty low, by the way, to say 33-year low.
	That's a long time.
	NBC broadcasted Tokyo Olympics opening ceremony drawing only 16.7 million viewers, the smallest U.S. television audience for the last 33 years.
	It declined 37% from 2016 when 26.5 million people watched the Rio de Janeiro games opener, 59% down from 2012 when 40.7 million people watched the London ceremony.
	It was the lowest audience for the opening since 1980 at Seoul Games, which attracted 22.7 million TV viewers.
	NBC Universal, which paid $7.65 billion to extend its U.S. broadcast rights for the Olympics through 2032, plans to air an unprecedented seven hours of Olympic coverage across multiple television networks and Peacock streaming services, is what they're saying.
	So what are your thoughts about that for being down?
	What is the reason for it?
	When you watch some of these matches, there's nobody in the audience.
	Is it because of COVID?
	Is it a lack of interest?
	Is it in Japan?
	Yeah, why are the TV viewership in the U.S. so low?
	Well, you know, they say when you lose one sense, the other senses get stronger.
	If you lose your sense of sight, your sense of hearing gets stronger.
	Well, when the rich lost their sense of humor, their sense of self-importance got stronger.
	And this is just non-stop preaching.
	There's nothing fun about any of this.
	Have you watched any of this?
	There's nothing fun.
	There's no more fun in sports.
	There's no more fun in television.
	Like even in the NFL draft, did you watch the NFL draft?
	It was not what this kid did in college.
	It was, well, he comes from the poorest neighborhood in the poorest state, and his mother had 18 jobs a day.
	And it's okay.
	You can root for this kid.
	He's not one of these rich kids.
	It's okay.
	It's okay.
	He's going to be a multi-millionaire in the NFL.
	They're doing the same thing.
	Like, I don't care how bad everybody had it.
	I care.
	Are you awesome at your sport?
	I came here to see excellence.
	I came here to see absolutely the pinnacle of human achievement.
	And politics have just infiltrated this entire thing.
	There are judokas.
	Like, my father was an Olympic alternate in judo.
	I watched judo.
	All right.
	I like judo.
	I was a judoka.
	And these dudes won't fight the Israeli champion.
	They're literally pulling out of the Olympics because they refuse for political reasons to get in the ring.
	I won't touch that Israeli.
	It was the first one was, I think, I don't want to get it wrong.
	I believe it was Azerbaijan and Algeria.
	Are those the two?
	I don't want to get it wrong.
	But they literally pulled out because they wouldn't stand on the same mat with an Israeli.
	And the whole point.
	Pull up that story, Kai.
	The whole point of the Olympics, by the way, for people that know the history of the Olympics, it came together as the, it was the original United Nations.
	In Greece, there were so many warring city-states that they were like, look, instead of us killing tens of thousands of each other like every year, why don't we just have these games and we'll wrestle naked and we'll meet each other, have some wine, it'll be cool.
	What needs to be told?
	What you just did is what needs to be told.
	What you just did is what needs to be told.
	The wrestling naked part.
	No, that's the part.
	It's just a lot of eye contact.
	It's the coming together part, yes.
	No, no, not the coming together, but what needs to be told is when a marriage is in a bad place, you have to remind them, why did you guys date in the first place?
	What brought you guys together?
	There is a right before divorce, that's a conversation.
	America needs to know history of why Olympics is the Olympics.
	So is this when you're talking about a second judoka pulls out of the Olympics and apparent move to avoid facing Israeli Sudans?
	Mohammed Abba Dalar Sul skips bout with Tohar Batpool, who wins next fight, but loses medal chance later.
	Athlete is a no-show despite Khartoum signing Abraham Accords with Israel.
	Second, I'm going to go a little lower.
	Suspended for doing the same.
	But Bal was listed as no competitor in the listeners against 73.
	Can Olympic official selling didn't show up to Facebook in their route despite weighing in the bout.
	Early International Judo Federation didn't immediately announce the reason Van Jones in.
	Give him any response.
	Okay, so, you know, here's my question.
	Is that his decision or are there people behind this?
	To be pulling strings, being a good one.
	That's a good question.
	There's no way we can have one of our athletes lose to an Israeli or even Israeli.
	So it's not a good look for us.
	So we're going to make a political stance here and we're not going to fight.
	This guy's been training his whole life.
	Now he's about to win the gold.
	They're like, sorry, buddy, have a seat.
	What?
	But take that.
	Exactly what you said is right.
	Now extrapolate that out.
	Multiple sports.
	Yeah.
	Like, do you think LeBron James is coming up with Minister Farrakhan's words on his own?
	Or do you think somebody from the Nation of Islam is like, you know what?
	You should say something like this.
	Like these people have infiltrated the highest levels of our culture.
	You think Simone Biles is backing out because the gymnastics aspect of this is the pressure she can't handle?
	Of course it's not.
	She's the best gymnast possibly of all time.
	This is second hat to her.
	It's probably what she loves more than anything in the world.
	The pressure of being pulled in different directions by these incredibly powerful people is what she's going like, you know what?
	Screw it.
	I'm not here to be your mascot.
	I'm not here to be the mascot of your social action.
	I'm not here to be the mascot of this side or that side.
	I just want to perform.
	And these dudes out here, again, four years of competition to get to the highest level.
	And now you have somebody and because of political differences, you're not going to compete.
	But why is it one of them?
	Why is, guys, why is viewership down?
	Why is viewership in U.S. down?
	Look, I think a part of it is, you know, people just, like you said about the NBA, why was the viewership up?
	They took all the political stuff away from it.
	They said, listen, just come here and enjoy sports, right?
	I think that's obviously a factor here in the Olympics.
	And I think also a part of it, we all feel for the athletes.
	We're all rooting for the athletes.
	Sure.
	I think lingering, maybe this is for me.
	This is my opinion.
	I'm not that interested in the Olympics for whatever reason, because I think that the committees and whoever's putting everything together is just corrupt.
	When I think of the Olympics, I think of corruption.
	I do.
	How do these countries get it?
	Listen, you hear these stories about China building these ridiculous stadiums, and then after the Olympics, they're gone.
	They don't even use it.
	The average person in America is not watching Olympics because they think the judges are corrupt.
	I would say judges.
	I agree.
	I agree.
	The overall Olympic committees, the selection, the way that they pick the cities.
	What does that have to do with it?
	The dope.
	I'm just saying Occam's Razor.
	I just think it's not fun anymore.
	They don't know how to create fun products.
	I don't know.
	I have my, okay.
	You don't think the Olympics is corrupt?
	The audience, by the way, I want to actually hear you guys.
	Kai, why do you think?
	I want to know if you guys, do you guys have any opinions on this or not at all?
	It has to be, if it's different than what they said, say it.
	If not.
	I have, I have one.
	I think a big one is obviously what you guys have mentioned in terms of that.
	Second one is the fact that the whole last year, is it happening?
	Is it not?
	Oh, shit, it happens tomorrow.
	Wait, it actually started.
	Okay, so I think that is a big part.
	So scheduling.
	Yes.
	Okay, scheduling.
	Not enough good marketing.
	Yes.
	Fair enough.
	Just confusion of, like, because I saw articles still the week of it could still be canceled.
	Like, all right, is it going on?
	Is it not?
	The other part, second part, which also I think is a big part.
	Japan is currently 13 hours ahead.
	So the schedule, they're competing in the middle of the night.
	Yeah, but China was the same.
	Yeah, they go there.
	That's not as big.
	But I think the biggest one is the fact that they were, like, is it happening?
	Is it being canceled?
	Okay, what do you guys think?
	Anything different or no?
	David?
	I just, yeah, I never really had much interest in the Olympics.
	I think it's a historic event.
	Then it's a no-brainer-free, like, it's a non-issue for you.
	Like, who cares?
	Okay.
	Even the sophomores.
	I will say, as it gets down to more of the finals, viewership's going to go.
	The kabuki theater does bother me too.
	The kabuki theater bothers me where it's like, okay, everybody's wearing a mask, but then the mask is down over here, and then now they got to go compete face-to-face with each other.
	It's like, it's just too much safety theater for me.
	I don't feel like I'm watching a competition.
	I feel like I'm watching propaganda.
	I'm trying to see if that's how the average viewer feels the way you do.
	So there is how I feel.
	There's how you feel.
	Then there's the average American that's like just not watching it.
	So you're saying because of the committee.
	You're saying because of the, you know, it's not fun anymore.
	It's just too politicized.
	I don't know.
	I'm going to read you the story here.
	You tell me if there's this angle here that could be taking place.
	So go to page eight.
	If you go to page eight, all the way at the bottom on page eight, okay.
	Americans' optimism about countries' direction over the next year drops nearly 20 points since May.
	In May, a little more than a third weren't pessimistic.
	Now it's a majority.
	55% are pessimistic versus a third.
	As Biden completes his first 100 days in office, the country isn't optimistic about the countries in the coming year.
	But now, just after hitting six-month mark, America's optimism about the election country has plummeted nearly 20 points.
	A new ABC poll finds the decline in optimism has occurred across abroad amongst Democrats, Republicans, and independents.
	Optimism is down 20 points amongst Democrats and Republicans, down 26 points amongst independents.
	So this isn't a Republican hit piece on Biden.
	This is left-right center.
	It likely reflects the growing concerns that lockdown could be reinstated already.
	Vaccinated Americans could near booster shot as a highly contagious Delta variant.
	Now it's estimated to account for 83% of all new coronavirus cases in the United States.
	Fewer than 4 in 10 Americans approve of the president's handling of the immigration and the situation at the U.S.-Mexico border crime and gun violence.
	Okay.
	I don't know.
	Does somebody care to watch somebody win if you no longer have pride in them?
	I don't know.
	I don't have pride in the Lakers because of what they keep talking about.
	So guess what I did?
	I could care less about one.
	You know how I may be one of the biggest Laker fans in the world?
	I really could have no pride in watching anything the Lakers are doing.
	Has the American, the basic American citizen, not I'm talking about the big, which is most America.
	Has a basic American citizen just sat there and said, honestly, listen, man, I don't know if I love America like I used to.
	You guys don't even talk about this, the greatest country in the world.
	I'm watching the news.
	More articles coming out whether America is the greatest country anymore or not.
	So you know the power affirmations.
	We talked about this on the tour.
	Do you know the Jane Elliott story?
	The teacher, third grade teacher in 1964, what she did?
	No.
	Okay, do you know the Jane Elliott story, Kai, or no?
	The Jane Elliott story.
	Let me tell you the Jane Elliott story.
	Pull up the Jane Elliott story.
	Martin Luther King dies.
	Oh, I know what this is.
	Okay, Martin Luther King dies.
	Day after Martin Luther King dies, this teacher named Jane Elliott does an exercise with the third graders.
	Here's what she does, okay?
	She goes and she says, day one, she says, students, major research just came and I want to give you guys the research here.
	What's the research teacher?
	What's the research teacher?
	Here's the research.
	Research has shown that blue-eyed people are smarter, stronger, and have better privileges and deserve a better life than brown-eyed people.
	Oh my goodness.
	And the students are like, what?
	So, yep.
	Blue-eyed people are smarter, stronger, and are more privileged than brown-eyed people.
	The students are going on, third grade.
	It's not like it's college or high school.
	It's third grade.
	Where's this going?
	Oh, my God.
	Eight years old.
	So all of a sudden, one of the blue-eyed kids is talking to the brown-eyed kid and is asking a question about math.
	And the brown-eyed kid gets the answer wrong, whatever the question he was asking.
	And the blue-eyed kid says, oh, you're brown-eyed.
	Oh, my God.
	Makes sense.
	Okay.
	So the brown-eyed kid comes and pushes, shoves the blue-eyed kid, and a fight breaks out, right?
	So the teacher says, it's okay.
	We're done today.
	You guys go home.
	We'll come back tomorrow.
	Tomorrow, everybody comes to school, and the teacher says, I made a mistake.
	Research came back, and they said it's actually the brown-eyed kids that are smarter, stronger, and more privileged than the blue-eyed people.
	And it's true.
	I'm sorry.
	My apologies.
	I made the mistake.
	Brown-eyed kids are smarter, stronger, and more privileged than blue-eyed kids.
	And everybody's like, what?
	The blue-eyed kids are devastated, heartbroken.
	And the brown-eyed kids are like, I told you, part of the brown-eyed community, right?
	And then all of a sudden, a debate starts taking place.
	And they're going back and forth, kids.
	And one of the brown-eyed kids says, you're a bluey.
	You don't know what you're talking about.
	So the word bluey gets labeled with blue-eyed kids.
	Then the next day, three days later, the teacher comes out and says, kids, I've lied.
	Neither blue-eyed nor brown-eyed people have any privileges.
	You're messing with my head, teacher.
	You're not stronger.
	You're not smarter.
	Nobody cares.
	You have to go earn your privileges.
	You have to go earn all of that stuff.
	If she would have done that today, she'd be in jail, by the way.
	By the way, she did this a day after MLK assassination.
	Think about the optics and the timing of how brave this teacher was to be.
	Think about the anxiety levels in the country.
	It's a true educator.
	But what I'm trying to – go ahead, Kai.
	Yeah, but also the other thing is this was done in like the far north.
	So there wasn't a racial disparity.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	But this is coming from a bluey, bro.
	And she would also tell them she would also tell them when they were fighting, like, oh, it's because he's a bluey.
	So she'd feed into that.
	She's trying to see.
	It was the original fake news.
	They would allow her to do that.
	She was doing this, obviously.
	She validated what Republicans and Democrats and the mainstream media is doing today.
	She validated the point.
	So you know what happens here?
	Here's a point.
	Why are you going to love America?
	What do I love?
	What is America to love today?
	What is it?
	When you ask somebody, like I asked the question, do you love America?
	You ask a regular person, like, you know what?
	You know how to go on the streets?
	You know what you should do?
	I shouldn't do that.
	You know what you should do about it?
	I want you to do that.
	I want you to go and say, do you love America?
	And let them say, set it up.
	Okay, you guys go into Miami.
	Do you love America?
	And they say what?
	Yes or no?
	No matter what they say, guess what the next question is?
	Why?
	Yeah.
	No, I hate America.
	Why?
	I love America.
	Why?
	See who's traveled and who hasn't.
	Because I'll tell you, Anthony Bourdain, you know, had a great, great quote and said, like, to know America is to love her.
	And it's the truth, man.
	Like, we've all traveled.
	We've all been very lucky to have traveled this whole country.
	And there's no way that you could travel this country and just not be like, man, this is a great place.
	This is a great place full of great people.
	And it's not perfect, but it's great.
	And it's trying to be better.
	And we're going through growing pains.
	And that's why I probably, you know, I hate the commies more than anything else because, you know, especially the upper middle class commie is like, it's not perfect, burn it down.
	And it's like, bro, we're doing pretty good here.
	We're not perfect, but we're trying.
	And every person you meet, almost every person outside of an incredibly small outlier, wants them and their neighbors and their neighbors' families to be successful.
	And one of the great things about COVID that never gets talked about is every single person, with no questions asked, really, almost every human being was willing to shut down their business, was willing to shutter themselves in their house, was willing to shut down their lives completely because they thought it would make their community safer.
	Now, as time roll on, and it was six months, eight months, 10 months, and there was a ton of mixed messages, and then we realized, okay, there's political motivations behind this, you started getting serious pushback, as you should have.
	I was ready to throw the tea in the harbor, and now I was waiting for the boog boys to come with me.
	But in the beginning, every single one of us really showed our love for country and nation.
	I believe that.
	We showed our love for community.
	The first few months.
	Because we shut it down because we wanted to keep each other safe.
	Six weeks, guys.
	Six weeks.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	15 days to flatten the curve, right?
	So part of this anxiety that I feel and that a lot of people feel is we were lied to.
	Now, I feel like I love the country.
	I hate our government.
	And I'm able to make those two, that I'm able to distinguish between the two.
	I hate our federal government.
	With every fiber of my being, I hate our federal government.
	But I love the people of the United States of America.
	Explain to two.
	So explain what part of the government you hate.
	I hate the federal government.
	I hate what our federal government has become.
	I hate the panopticon that we're living in.
	I hate the security state that we've given our lives to.
	I think, you know, people have been saying this for 20 years, and we've been waiting and waiting.
	We are seeing the ramifications of the Patriot Act.
	We are seeing today, we are living in the fallout from the Patriot Act.
	We are living in the fallout from Bush, Taney, Rumsfeld, and the way that our life is being infringed upon.
	And now the elites, the quote-unquote elites, they are saying the quiet parts out loud and this Ivy League cabal of the entrenched powers that are always going to be in power.
	The fact that they're so beholden.
	Look, I said it, and I've said it before, and maybe it sounds salacious, but this is the truth, and I believe it to be the truth.
	They had a chance to choose between the United States and China, and they chose China.
	And that's just the truth of it.
	They did not choose us.
	They have not chose their citizens.
	They have not chose the people down here at the ground floor.
	You saw it in Washington, D.C. over the weekend when they erased Cuba Libre off the street.
	They erased it off the street.
	These are people fighting tyranny, real tyranny, real tyranny.
	And they erased it off the street because it was going to incite hatred.
	Can you pull that up, Kai?
	But any communist fist, whether it's Black Lives Matter or not, forget the Black Lives Matter.
	It's the communist fist.
	That commie fist is going to stay on the D.C. streets forever.
	Tristan, Rodolfo Ramirez just said, if you don't hate the government, you haven't worked for the government.
	Yeah, exactly.
	If you don't think the government's lying to you, just not paying it.
	It's funny that you talk about hating the government.
	I have a note here because we have a couple stories on Cuba, a couple stories on Iran, obviously China.
	And I said it's important to remember the people are not the governments of these countries.
	And I'm sure we're going to talk about what's going on in Iran.
	We're talking about Cuba.
	The people are the people.
	The government are not the people.
	Like we talked about with General Spalding that, what, 6% of China is part of the CCP?
	So I hear you on that.
	As a Democrat, as a Democrat so we can get bigger kind.
	Do you think our government represents us, the people, right now?
	Do you think our federal government, this administration represents the people?
	If you look at the approval ratings for what's going on in Congress, it's disastrously low and it's getting lower.
	So, no, I think, you know.
	I mean, Trump was the fascist.
	Trump was the dictator.
	But now we have people saying they're going to go door to door, kick down your door, drag you off.
	That's all rhetoric.
	No, no, no.
	This is actually Andrew Cuomo in New York.
	That's your state.
	That's your story.
	I don't know anything about that.
	Andrew Cuomo?
	That's not happening.
	You can Google.
	You actually pull that up.
	You haven't seen what Cuomo said yesterday.
	He will kick down rhetoric.
	Did you hear what he said?
	He will kick down the door, put you in a car and get you jabbed in your arm.
	That's okay.
	Okay, let's see what Cuomo has to say.
	No, no, it's an hour and 18 minutes.
	You need to find one that's like 30 seconds or something.
	This is a guy who was a leading candidate for the next presidency.
	He was going to be the president.
	Yeah.
	So watch what he says.
	Yeah, there you go.
	We're talking about people that are reading our text messages, reading our emails.
	They're going to come to our house and hit us with experimental medication.
	The Patriot Act happened right after 9-11, and there was overreach, obviously, because there was shock and disgust for what happened in 9-11.
	And then just like we learned about with taxes when Pat did his tax episode, it's just temporary.
	It's just temporary.
	And then what happens with the taxes, Pat?
	It keeps going and keeps going.
	And then I guess this is my issue why I keep picking on Democrats specifically, especially in my family, is I know a lot of Republicans who left the Republican Party and became libertarians or just became independents or flat out never, or they're called rhinos now because they said this Patriot Act is bullshit.
	We should never be in Iran.
	We should never be in Afghanistan.
	We should never be in Iraq.
	Right off the bat, they said this Rumsfeld-Cheney stuff is nonsense.
	He died recently.
	Yeah, he did.
	A couple of weeks ago.
	Yeah, not that I dance on anybody's grave, but the world's a better place without Donald Rumsfeld, that's for sure.
	So I don't even feel controversial saying that we should have slingshot him into the sun years ago.
	But the Cheney faction is now the Biden faction.
	And that's never admitted by Democrats.
	It's never admitted that those guys.
	Well, it's the establishment, right?
	That's the establishment.
	It's the establishment, man.
	So when we talk about do they have our best – look, I ascribe to something that's a pretty – you like to talk about my extremist views of freedom and letting people be a volunteer society.
	But I do believe we are tribal people.
	I believe we're naturally tribal.
	That's why I think it's so important for us to promote individualism and Ayn Rand and to promote the beauty of the individual because we are tribal.
	We're naturally tribal.
	But that being said, we are always looking for a chief.
	We're always looking for a tribal chief.
	I ascribe to what's called the great man theory.
	It could be a woman, it could be a man, but we need more than ever in my lifetime.
	I cannot think of a time that we were more devoid of leadership, that we did not have somebody that we can look to and say, you know what, this is somebody that knows what we're doing.
	But you had your boy Donald Trump for four years.
	He was not my boy.
	Donald Trump was not my boy.
	Did I vote for Donald Trump in 2016?
	I don't know.
	I'm asking you.
	Did I vote Donald Trump 2012?
	No, 2016.
	Did I vote for 2020?
	I voted for Donald Trump in 2020.
	Because this walking, talking zombie that is weakened at Bernie's Biden that they keep propping up.
	I saw the strings the other day.
	Yeah, I mean, how long until Kumala Harris finishes off the job here, man?
	But I mean, listen, I didn't mind what Trump did.
	I really, really, really, really loathe the tactics the Democrats did to gain power in 2020.
	The fact that, you know, just the lying, the gaslighting, talking about the insurgency after they burnt down the country for a summer, it's nonsensical.
	It's nonsensical.
	All right.
	And if we're not able to live, that's, again, I'm going to say it for the third podcast in a row.
	That's why I love Russell Brand.
	Bill Maher had another great one this weekend that the left refuses to ever admit progress.
	You know, Rogan, like these guys who are on the left are saying enough, enough already.
	And it's got to come from there.
	It can't come from the outside.
	I agree with you on that.
	I say that every show that it needs to come from inside.
	Where's the phone call coming from?
	Inside the house.
	Yeah.
	It's exactly what it is.
	When you have a Bill Mar what happens to you in America.
	Let's talk about what happened with the NFL.
	It's a bit of a strange story here, Enment.
	Extreme at the highest level.
	NFL to fine unvaccinated players $14,650 for any violation of COVID-19 protocols.
	It's an ESPN story.
	Spotlight was put on the punishment after a report that Tampa Bay Buccaneers coach Bruce Arians would fine a player $14,000 on the spot every time he isn't wearing a mask or is breaking a protocol.
	This led to some speculation that Arians was insinuating, instituting this fine as its own personal rule.
	NFL policy, Arians told ESPN in a text message, league rules.
	League spokesperson Brian McCarthy confirmed to ESPN that Arians was correct in his understanding of the NFL's rule.
	Arians said the Bucs will have close to 85% of players fully vaccinated by final cutdowns.
	Some players have voiced resistance to the vaccine.
	However, DeAndre Hopkins, we all know what he said.
	He says he doesn't want to do it.
	He took his tweet down.
	Then he put Freedom.
	Then he said Niners in the NFL.
	Then a Minnesota Vikings assistant coach just said, I'm done.
	I'm not doing this.
	I'm not thinking about the best offensive line coach in the NFL.
	So I'm done.
	I was told Beasley the other day.
	But if you can bring up Kai, I wish this had a little bit more details about NFL's guidelines, because the way this works is if because of you, they have to suspend or cancel a game, you will take the L. You'll get a loss, but they will take money of salary of all players involved in that game, your team and their team away, period.
	So meaning if you were expected to make $800,000 that game, it's gone.
	So you're only playing 16 games.
	That money, 18 games this year, that money's gone, right?
	So NFL's obviously made it a point that they're going extremely extreme measures with this.
	By the way, Fauci comes out and Fauci, they ask him, they say, what do you think about what the NFL is doing?
	He says, well, the NFL is making it very obvious that they're sending a strong message to the players that they better take the vaccine seriously.
	Is what he said.
	So now the question becomes: one, is that the right way to approach this?
	And two, will NBA, NHL, and MLB follow?
	I don't know.
	I don't know about the other sports, but let me address.
	This isn't, we talked about Bruce Arians because, you know, he's the head coach of the Tampa Bay Bucks.
	They won the Super Bowl.
	This is not a Bruce Arians story.
	Kai, if you scroll up, this is 100% this guy right here, Roger Goodell.
	Like, if you talk about the main sports in the United States and you ask people what sport is most concerned about the money, most people would say the NFL.
	I feel like the NFL is just a cash grab.
	All they care about is the money.
	This is just follow the money.
	So this is not a safety issue.
	I mean, for the most part, obviously it is a little bit.
	This isn't a COVID thing.
	This is a don't fuck with our money.
	And if you and your opinions get in the way of our multi-billion dollar industry, we're going to take that money out of your pocket, fill in the blank.
	So the NFL, you know, they say it stands for not for long.
	If you want to do your own thing and get in the way of our money, you won't be having money not for long.
	So this is just an FTM, follow the money thing.
	And Roger Goodell, he runs this with a tight ship.
	And I think this is a straight up, just a money grab.
	And they don't want any individual, Cole Beasley, DeAndre Hopkins, Bruce Arians, who cares to get in the way of their billion-dollar industry.
	We have a few, we got a few NFL players that follow this.
	Shout out to you guys that follow this podcast.
	Love you guys.
	Appreciate you guys listening.
	Hit us in the DMs and stuff like that.
	Gave us some good insight on this, man.
	Really, really.
	Shout out to y'all.
	But my biggest takeaway from them wasn't even the, this is a societal thing, right?
	Like whether you're going to bend the knee and do what your business and your boss tell you to do, or you're going to, like, this is a fight.
	This is an obedience test more than anything else.
	What they're mad about isn't necessarily what the league is doing.
	They're so mad at the NFLPA.
	They think the NFLPA is so useless at defending them, at fighting the NFL.
	They think the NFLPA and DeMarie Smith, who runs it, are so, so useless.
	They're so bad at their job.
	So, Pat, if you were running the NFLPA, if you were running the labor side of this NFL partnership, all right, and you represented 800 players against 32 owners, how would you handle this situation?
	So, first of all, I think the NFL is so tied to having to please the government.
	I think it's tied to it because to take a position like this, this is a very extreme position to take.
	Like, this is almost worse than a position the government has taken.
	Like, let me kind of give you an example of what this means.
	So, this means if I were, let's bring it to a regular job, forget sports, bring you to a job.
	So, if you work at a company and you went to Chipotle, you came back, you got COVID from a guy at Chipotle that maybe wasn't quarantining, you come to the office, 17 people end up getting COVID from you, you have to go to the house for two weeks and can't work for two weeks.
	That means the company is taking away your salary for two weeks and the other 12, 14, you know, however many people that got COVID as well for two weeks, and suspending you and fining them for you being irresponsible.
	Everybody else also takes a hit.
	That's what this is essentially about.
	So, if you bring it to a company, that's what this is.
	So, you mean to tell me you're going to dictate my unpaid salary?
	This is so extreme, it's concerning to me.
	So, the position, again, goes back to why I have a hard time with the product at ENB until this playoff.
	When I saw the playoff run, when LeBron was out, when I saw KD is out, Kyrie is out, I'm like, okay, hopefully, Giannis is not going to bring in politics.
	Hopefully, Booker's just going to play ball.
	Hopefully, Trey Young is not already, you know, as a 22-year-old guy, he's not yet ingrained with you better or else.
	And it was a great playoff series that we got a chance to watch, right?
	There wasn't any part of it.
	But I think the direction they're going right now is you have one choice.
	You either have to be pro-vaccine, or if you're not, you're going to pay fine for it.
	That's like the NFL is being a doctor all of a sudden.
	That's as if the NFL is saying.
	They don't think they're doing it.
	Again, it went back to the government because you want to be aligned with the government because the last thing you want is sanctions, regulation, additional things that the government may come.
	Look, think about it this way.
	Because this isn't a big money.
	Let me, let me, guys, let me simplify.
	Let's play the conspiracy game.
	Can we play it?
	Let's just play.
	Our favorite game.
	Let's literally.
	Let's play the conspiracy game.
	Let's play the conspiracy game.
	You ready for a conspiracy game?
	Okay.
	Every industry has something they fear that can put them out of business.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So, for example, what does China fear?
	Does China want Elon Musk to go out there in the satellite and create free internet for everybody?
	Does any communistic nation want free internet?
	China wants control.
	We know that.
	Do you think Iran wants free internet for all their people where the people can go on YouTube and Facebook?
	No.
	Okay.
	So go think about what the DNC fears.
	What does the RNC fear?
	Okay.
	What does Trump fear?
	What does Biden fear?
	What does Obama fear?
	What does Jelaine Maxwell fear?
	What does everybody fear?
	What is the number one fear on NFL's mind?
	Number one fear on NFL's mind.
	Up until COVID, it was concussions.
	Concussions.
	Exactly.
	So go to concussions.
	So when Concussions, a movie, came out by Will Smith, it got everybody thinking about it, right?
	Do you know how many parents, Jennifer doesn't want Dylan to play football?
	Stop playing football.
	So the product of football is sitting there saying this cannot get serious long term because if it does, guess what?
	The ramifications to the game, to the product of football, could be big.
	Who is the only organization that can treat the NFL the way they treat Facebook, Google, YouTube, all of those guys?
	Federal government.
	The federal government.
	If the federal government targets the NFL and says, hey, NFL, Roger Godell, just want to let you know, we're not threatening or anything, but we just want you to be a good vaccine citizen.
	And because we want to make sure that story of concussions doesn't come back up, we're going to help.
	We're going to protect you.
	Now, again.
	Hey, Roger, what are your thoughts on Predator drones?
	By the way, this is just a game we just played.
	But you can take this game and think the next question you got to ask yourself was a following.
	You know what the next question you ask yourself?
	Here's the next question you got to ask yourself.
	Here's the next question you got to ask yourself.
	And by the way, if you're watching this, I'm actually curious to know what you say about this.
	Zero to 100.
	Give me a percentage.
	What percentage do you say that conversation has been had?
	What percentage?
	2,000?
	What's the percentage?
	Listen, someone from the government calls Goodell.
	Like, you know, John Perkins, who was the economic hitman that goes to other countries saying, you better allow us to build over here and take the oil or else we're going to ruin your economy because we have ways of doing it.
	That was his job.
	And he was like, I dare you to play against us.
	We don't play nice.
	I'm the guy that's coming telling you this.
	Do you think there's somebody like that that went to the NFL and said, if you do anything that's anti-vax, we're going to bring you down in ways.
	Zero to 100, you're saying?
	Zero to 100.
	A percentage.
	1,000?
	It's actually higher than the conspiracy typical thing.
	What do you think it is?
	Give me your percentage.
	I would say there's a higher than 50% chance I have.
	That conversation has a chance.
	I'm going to say it's 30%.
	I'm actually not even going there.
	I'm not 100%.
	I'm not at all about 30%.
	10,000%.
	All I'm saying to you is, I'm speculating that because the only way a person, again, Hannity all of a sudden made an extreme position, which is what?
	You should go get the vaccine to protect your family.
	What are you talking about?
	NFL just made an extreme position.
	Who do you fear to make an extreme position like that?
	I don't know about that.
	So for me, the moment Elon Musk.
	So what can the government dangle over them?
	You want this little concussion thing to come back out?
	It's not about that, buddy.
	What is it?
	Are you kidding me?
	Do you know how much money they get from the DOJ?
	The DOJ is their biggest advertisement.
	Do you think it's the DOD?
	I'm sorry.
	The DOD is their biggest advertisement.
	Department of Defense?
	Yeah.
	Advertiser?
	The jets flying over every game, everything.
	I don't know.
	I don't even think that's what it is, Bob.
	I don't know if it's the DOD part.
	Do you think, what's a look every time we watch TV and we see Mark Zuckerberg there answering questions to Congressman?
	Is that a good look for him?
	Do you think it's a good look when you see the CEO of Google there or CEO of Twitter there?
	Saying, hey, Goodell, you don't want to come in front of us ever again, right?
	They're going to say, if you want to be sitting in front of Congress grilling you about what you're doing about concussions 24-7, we will make your life a living.
	That's like when Congress went after baseball.
	Okay, steroids.
	Okay, so I bet that on Goodell's part.
	I'm going back to the NFLPA.
	Where are they at here?
	Like, okay, they can do that all they want.
	Goodell could do that all they want.
	We're NFLPA.
	What are you talking about?
	They got to be on the plane.
	They got to be on the side of the play.
	Dude, do you know?
	Dude just DM'd me?
	Dude just DM'd me.
	Yeah, I gotta say this.
	11-year NFL player, all right?
	Says we have to sign away our HIPAA, our HIPAA rights when we go to the combine.
	So we're not allowed to have any sort of microprivacy.
	Well, he said it's because of gambling.
	So if I have a broken leg, the whole world gets to know I have a broken leg and the other team can target my leg.
	I'm not allowed to get an injury report.
	I'm not allowed privacy.
	No, you asked me a question about Players Association.
	Here's my reasoning for Players Association.
	What the hell are you talking about?
	The bigger the contract I get, the more money you're making.
	The bigger the product NFL makes, the bigger the money.
	So NFLPA, you want to make more money?
	You got to make sure we don't.
	You're beholden to your players, aren't you?
	There's a lot of players that are saying, I've got enough money.
	Do you actually think that's how this thing works when they're sitting there?
	Actually, think NFLPA is sitting there only thinking about the health of they're going to sit there and they're going to say the following.
	What if it's not?
	They need new people in the NFLPA.
	Well, they need new people in every most positions, they need new people.
	We got people in the government that's sitting there making decisions for others that they're not making decisions for others.
	They're making decisions for their re-election.
	That's all they're thinking about.
	How many people do you have that's on their 20th term?
	I mean, obviously, I'm being sarcastic 20th term, but you get what I'm saying.
	When there are people that are just going on their term, they're not doing it for the people.
	All I'm saying to you is money's going to talk, and they're sitting there saying, What percentage will take the vaccine?
	No problem.
	87%.
	Who cares about the 13%, guys?
	Let's just move on.
	Who cares about the 13%?
	Let's move on.
	Again, this is a conspiracy theory.
	I thought 30%.
	You say I said it's actually pretty likely.
	Yeah, it's likely.
	But that's still, that's still again.
	Anytime there's questions, FTM, follow the money.
	They don't want this 13% coming after the 87%.
	Listen, I told this story to Gerard the other day.
	I said, here's what's happening right now.
	I'm 16 years old.
	We're sitting around a bunch of friends.
	And everybody for the, it's 15 years old.
	I mean, Wilson Jr. House, 14 years old.
	We're sitting around.
	First kid comes up.
	This is the first time I was exposed to smoking weed.
	Hey, here, guys, try some of this.
	What is it?
	Everybody smokes it.
	Tupac smokes it.
	We're big Tupac guys.
	Like, okay, I'll try some weed.
	Guy tries it.
	Everybody tries it.
	Then it comes to me.
	Pat, here you go.
	I said, I'm good.
	Why not?
	I'm good.
	I don't want to smoke it.
	So I said, I'm good.
	I don't want to smoke it.
	Three laughed.
	Two were quiet.
	Two came afterwards to find out why.
	What's the point?
	Here's the point.
	Yeah, the dissenter is the issue.
	Here's the point.
	The people that are not saying no to this, I guarantee you, they're being text messaged.
	They're getting calls.
	Oh, yeah.
	They're calling them and DMing and say, hey, can we talk about this?
	Why didn't you take it?
	You're a pretty smart guy.
	Why'd you say no?
	The small community that is saying no, people are going to ask.
	Here's the strangest thing about this entire situation here.
	A friend of mine sent me a message, okay?
	And he said, Pat, I got to tell you, I don't give a shit about taking a vaccine.
	Hell, I would take the vaccine.
	In a heartbeat, I would take the vaccine.
	What I have a problem with is the fact that it's forced upon me taking it.
	That's my problem.
	I'm an alpha.
	Don't force me to take the vaccine.
	Give me the options.
	Give me the out.
	I'll take it.
	Versus making me feel like an idiot if I don't want to take it.
	It's actually not a good marketing tactic.
	Dictators do that.
	Countries like Iran do that.
	A few other countries in the past did that that we know about.
	One of them was in Europe.
	I think it starts with the letter G. Germany did things like that, where they told you you better do it or else.
	Now America is doing this.
	What are we talking about here?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Did you see the social score stuff with PayPal too?
	That gets me social score with PayPal.
	So you know, China has that social score.
	Okay.
	All right, where they basically implement so people that don't know, like one of the big issues with communism, right?
	No, no private property.
	You get a house, quote unquote, from the Bank of China.
	And then the bank decides it's not your house anymore.
	Your social score is too low.
	It's our house now.
	They just take it back.
	It's theirs.
	So the social score is like you're posting the wrong things.
	If somebody said that you're having this conversation that is counter to party lines, they can.
	It's like an obedience score.
	Yes, it's 100% obedience score.
	But with the ramifications being ruined.
	I got to tell you, your obedience score is very low.
	Good.
	We're going to go.
	I got to tell you, I got to tell you I will die on the vine disobedient to the day.
	I really don't care.
	To hell with them, we will go out swinging, and I'm fine with it.
	But now PayPal is doing that as well.
	And they're working with government officials to root out extremist organizations and people who profit in misinformation.
	So the government is now, our government, who operates almost exclusively in misinformation, is working with a private company who handles billions of dollars in transactions every minute, and they're going to root out extremism and misinformation, which is why I got to push back on guys like you.
	Great dude.
	God's know you.
	You're awesome.
	But when you call normal people insurgents, you're feeding into that.
	Well, they're extremists.
	Of course, they should have their transactions taken away.
	Number one, that's why they call it the PayPal mafia.
	Number two, are you actually trying to say that January 6th was just nice people hanging out at the...
	Do you think January 6th was actually a coup?
	I don't know if it was a coup, but those were insurgents?
	Anyway, we don't need to go there.
	Wait a minute.
	Insurgent means a coup.
	So do you think that was a coup?
	Do I think they were actually going to take over the government?
	And they were trying to stop.
	It's called protesting.
	Insurgent is a coup.
	So there's a big difference.
	Protesting.
	No, you want to say they're domestic coups.
	Call it whatever you want to call it.
	No, This is very important.
	This is very important.
	It's never a good look to defend those people.
	It's very, very important.
	It's not an important look.
	It's not a good look to defend riders that are ruining businesses.
	And I don't think you supported that.
	I agree.
	But you have to realize there's a big difference between calling me an asshole and calling me a con man.
	There's a big difference.
	Even worse a domestic terrorist.
	What I'm trying to tell you is you call somebody an asshole.
	Okay, he's an asshole.
	Cool.
	You call him a con man.
	There's a big difference.
	True.
	Words matter.
	Yeah.
	So what I'm trying to tell you is there's a difference between saying those guys were rioting, protesting looters.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	You're right.
	Insurgents coup?
	Come on, man.
	Okay.
	They said it so much.
	Their words have worked out.
	Fair enough.
	But don't pretend they were just good people and they came to the bottom of the city.
	I don't go that rare on what they did.
	But I think they were upset with the election.
	They went out there and they did what the other protesters were.
	My biggest problem is that it was all Antifa.
	It was all BLM dressed up as they all bought MAGA hats that day.
	A little bit of that happening.
	No, a little bit of that.
	The point is that now PayPal can use that.
	The key that happened.
	The key is now PayPal can use that.
	The key is that that rhetoric is now being weaponized in very, very appreciable ways.
	That's why all of us, all of us down here at the ground level, we have to band together.
	All of us down here at the ground level have to band together, not agree with one another.
	We just have to agree in the reality of situations.
	This guy said right now, January 6th Pad wasn't good.
	A police officer died.
	Like, do you think we're saying it was good?
	Like, again, that's the kind of stuff.
	Do you think the rioting and protesting in the streets was good when people died, when cops got shot up?
	You think that's good?
	When folks on the other side did it?
	Like, really?
	Do you think when I lived in Dallas, five miles away from my house, when five cops got shot up from a guy up in the window, you think that's good?
	What is that all about?
	Is that a coup?
	Do you call that a coup?
	What do you call it?
	Is that insurgents?
	No, that's just called pathetic is what you're doing.
	So January 6th is people that were pissed off.
	They went and did that.
	That's pathetic, what was taking place.
	That wasn't a good thing.
	But to say it's a coup for marketing purposes, words have consequences.
	You have to be careful with the words that are being used.
	Anyways, okay, so let's go to the next story here.
	Number one story of business insider yesterday, Philip Morris.
	How is that the number one story of business inside until apparently Gerard Tola 7-Eleven came and took it away from them?
	Philip Morris International CEO says cigarettes should be banned and the company will stop selling Marlboros in the UK within a decade.
	Business Insider store.
	The CEO of Philip Morris, the maker of Marlborough cigarettes outside of the U.S., said his company will stop selling cigarettes in the UK within a decade.
	CEO Jakic Olzak said on Sunday that the move was part of the company's goal to become smoke-free and to help end the use of traditional cigarettes.
	He also called on the UK government to outlaw cigarettes within a decade, comparing them to gas-empowered cars, and they're set to be barred from being sold in the country starting 2030.
	Philip Morris International separate from Philip Morris USA, which makes Marlboroughs in the U.S. Smoking kills more than 8 million people a year, according to a World Health Organization.
	Did you just hear that?
	Yeah.
	Smoking kills eight.
	This is the most confusing story I've ever.
	So you're just shooting yourself in the foot and ruining your own business model?
	Like, so basically you're saying.
	Switching to weed, boys.
	That's like what?
	Like, what are you going all in on now?
	Weed?
	Yeah.
	Jules?
	Yeah.
	This is big tobacco basically saying, guys, everything we've been doing for the last hundred years or so.
	My bad.
	Our bad.
	Smoking actually kills all the disclaimers and labels.
	Go ahead and pay attention to those.
	What the hell's going on, Jerry?
	I'm going to be for real.
	You used to dip.
	I'm going to be for real.
	Look, I had like a 12-year chewing tobacco habit.
	And I got to tell you, I valued my health, so I stopped.
	But oh, man, is it good?
	Oh, man, there's just nothing like throwing a little lipper in in the morning, getting yourself the morning paper, and having your morning constitutional.
	What trash?
	My name's Gerard.
	How you doing?
	Put a little lipper in my lips.
	I think it's funny.
	I think it's funny as hell that my kids are going to grow up with legal weed and have to buy their tobacco from a drug dealer, man.
	You think people are going to stop smoking cigarettes?
	Is there anything?
	I mean, look, I'm sorry for the kids there listening to this.
	You guys can hate me all you want, but there's nothing better than after a couple beers on a Friday night, having yourself a dart.
	You know, I'm just, it is what it is, man.
	Look, you can do the natty spirits.
	Those are all natural.
	It's basically like having a vegetable kids.
	But no, listen, if you want to know anything about cigarettes, just watch Thank You for Smoking.
	It's one of the best movies nobody's ever heard of.
	If you've never started smoking, don't do it.
	If you've never started chewing, don't do it.
	It is addicting.
	But if you think tobacco is going away after all these years, I mean, literally, tobacco was so powerful.
	The addiction was so powerful that an entire continent moved to another continent to farm it.
	Kai, go to PMI.com.
	Go to PMI.com.
	This is PMI.com.
	Okay, you go to PMIPhilipMorrisInternational.com.
	You go to the bottom.
	PMI products sell in over 180 markets.
	And many of these, we hold the number one or number two position by market shares.
	Six of the top 15 international brands in the world are ours.
	Right there.
	Big bowl.
	The number one cigarette brand since 1970.
	Marvel two.
	The Marbury.
	So here's what I'm wondering.
	What products do they sell?
	Look at the number right there.
	In 2019, Marbury volume outside the United States and China was 260 billion cigarettes, reinforcing its leadership position as the number one cigarette brand worldwide.
	I just want to know what's going on.
	What's 30 cigarettes a person in the world, by the way?
	What's his response to CEO that basically said, stop smoking?
	I love the analogy they made that cigarettes are now basically like the gas-powered cars.
	So they're going electric.
	So, all right, there's some light bulbs should be going on.
	Everything's going electric.
	Electric cigarette.
	And now they're going jewel with it.
	It's all about the jewels.
	You will own nothing and be happy.
	It's all about the jewels or vapes.
	I was just at Rolling Loud this weekend.
	You wouldn't believe how many kids are vaping.
	It's a big hip-hop voice.
	Do you vape or no?
	No, I've never.
	No, if I'm going.
	If I'm going to do it, I'm going to do the real thing.
	People don't know.
	Adam Sauce is actually 72 years old.
	Not a single wrinkle.
	Not a single wrinkle.
	He's actually 72.
	Thank you, bro.
	Yeah, I'm a vampire.
	It takes me to know him.
	What did I tell you?
	What did I tell you?
	Vampire.
	Has anybody ever seen Pat in Direct Sunlight?
	No.
	He's been saying this.
	By the way, behind your back, he's been going about.
	I go, yeah, what about July 4th?
	We were at his house at barbecue.
	He was in the shade.
	The whole time.
	He was in the shade.
	I don't know about that.
	All right.
	Anyway, but maybe, maybe, just maybe they're going to go in the weed direction.
	They're getting out of those cigarettes.
	Go weed with it.
	Bro, look, I go the different direction.
	I go, okay, what's next?
	You know, is Lays going to come out and be like, look, there's fried potatoes.
	Bad, bad thing.
	Here's a question for you.
	Let's judge a little bit.
	Is that okay?
	Let's judge a little bit.
	Let's play the judgment game.
	Just play the conspiracy game.
	Let's play the judgment.
	Here we go.
	No, no, here we go.
	You ready?
	Let's judge.
	Kai, you ready or not?
	Okay, tell me what an NHL fan, the profile of an NHL fan, give me the profile of an NHL fan.
	They are a white man in their 50s, and they love the pros.
	They love Canada.
	You've been to an NHL game.
	You're right.
	A lot of these fans are probably NHL fans.
	I'm going to be a hockey fan.
	Let's continue, Judge.
	Give me the profile of an NFL fan.
	You're looking at him right here.
	There he is.
	He's checking his fantasy football score.
	All right, let me give you a grown man.
	Track culture.
	Paula Scarcia.
	Paula Scarcia.
	Big NFL fan.
	Let's continue.
	Give me the profile of somebody who watches tennis.
	Oh.
	Oh, very eloquent.
	Rob, our style.
	Who watches tennis?
	They like headbands and long white socks.
	Yeah.
	Danielle.
	Daniela.
	Daniela the Romanian, yeah.
	Okay.
	So let's go to another one.
	Give me a profile of somebody who goes to every single nightclub five nights a week and listens to EDM 24-7.
	Profile of that guy.
	A guy or girl?
	I'm thinking girls.
	Okay, girls.
	Give me the profile.
	Give me who that person is.
	They're a 25-year-old bottle waitress type of a girl, and you know, they like wearing hypercolors and they're down to partying.
	Okay, give me the profile of somebody.
	Give me the profile of somebody who's a hardcore crypto Bitcoin.
	Like, it's all about cryptocurrency.
	Give me the profile.
	Who is the person?
	Whether they like to do it.
	Also, me, David, thank you.
	Who?
	They're a young man in their 20s-ish that hasn't really made real money yet.
	Okay, give me the profile of somebody.
	Give me the profile of somebody who drinks Jose Cuevo tequila.
	Oh.
	I'm looking at Para, but an older tequila drinker.
	Okay.
	Young people.
	I would say Ricardo could take Ricardo could drink Jose Cuevo and not even get buzzed.
	All right.
	Give me the profile of somebody who drinks Louis the 13th.
	Louis 16.
	Louis the 13th.
	Louis the 13th.
	I don't know any of those people, Pat.
	You're going to have to answer that one.
	Rich Europeans.
	Rich Europeans.
	Fair, because you know some of those guys.
	You party with those guys.
	That's so expensive.
	But they're close.
	Watch this.
	But they're close.
	Let's have a couple of teachers.
	That's the expensive profile of a pothead who smokes weed every day.
	It's just a tenth.
	Is it the guy who plays guitar?
	Yeah, a pothead that smokes weed every day.
	Long hair.
	How old?
	What does he look like?
	What is she looking like?
	30 years old, man.
	You know, they smoked in college.
	Got a weird beard going on.
	Got a weird beard going on.
	Kind of like a ratty beard, maybe.
	They're from Norway.
	All right.
	So let's continue.
	Give me the profile.
	What we're doing is being prejudiced.
	I'm about to get to the one bigger than it.
	Give me the profile of somebody who smokes cigarettes.
	They got a raspy voice and they a grandma.
	They were just born in China.
	That smokes a pack a day.
	Give me a profile of somebody that smokes a pack a day.
	60, 70-year-olds that have smoked since they were 12.
	Yeah, they've been smoking for 30 years.
	Leathery skin.
	Yeah.
	They look like a catcher's mitt.
	Used car, old used car.
	Hands feel weird.
	You ever chick who shook their hands?
	Like hands feels are like a dry skin.
	They got sandpaper on the hands.
	European, European.
	So if you need to.
	Well, a European smoker is a lot different than an American smoker.
	European, you have a drink and smoke.
	It's a good look at my baguette and my little hands.
	Front two teeth are yellow.
	Front two teeth are yellow.
	Okay, there you go.
	So, I mean, listen, there's profile of a cigar smoker.
	What's a cigar?
	Yeah, Matt Sapollo.
	But what is the profile of a cigar smoker?
	Money.
	A little more wealthier.
	I don't understand.
	Listen, man.
	From the libertarian standpoint, man, you want to smoke cigarettes, go at it, right?
	I mean, I grew up in a family where everybody smoked cigarettes from the day I was born until I remember when my dad finally had a heart attack, went to the hospital, had his open house surgery.
	It's the last time he smoked cigarettes, 1993.
	I don't understand smoking cigarettes.
	I understand beer.
	I understand tequila.
	I understand whiskey.
	I understand cigars.
	I understand weed.
	I don't understand cigarettes.
	Let me say something.
	Yeah.
	Let me say something.
	Please, Adam said, what I don't understand.
	What are the torches?
	What I don't understand about cigarettes are daytime smokers where you're waking up, you're having a like, listen, you guys have helicopter salesman, car salesman, fingertips yellow.
	Listen, I will say this.
	This guy says, Pat, I'm smoking cigarettes, drinking beer, and watching this podcast from India.
	Hey, India.
	Way to go.
	Raheed Raheed.
	Raheed.
	Listen, America.
	You might frown upon this.
	It doesn't happen on the bus.
	Here we go.
	Cigarette after sex.
	If you're drunk and you're having a nice time and some lovely girl is over there and you say, hey, we could share a cigarette together.
	Icebreaker.
	It's a bonding moment and it's an icebreaker and it's a power move.
	So am I waking up at 7 a.m. and like time for a cigarette?
	But if it's 2 a.m. and you're a little buzzed and you're out and about and a pretty girl's right there and need a light, boom.
	I'm sure I'm sure this was marketing, but all movies and TVs in the 80s, 70s, 80s, 90s.
	Cigarette after cigarette.
	Yeah, exactly.
	You know, I thought that that was like a thing.
	You were supposed to like one pack of cigarettes by the bed.
	That's the first time.
	The first time I smoked a cigarette was to impress a girl.
	Okay.
	How old were you?
	Seven or what was your name?
	Two years ago, for people that don't know, okay, funny.
	I will say this.
	I'm not encouraging smoking.
	But if the fellas out there want an easy layup move to get, you know, if a girl's sitting there and share a cigarette, you're going back and forth.
	It's in your mouth.
	It's in her mouth.
	You guys are sharing a cigarette.
	I'm just saying.
	Oral fixation.
	Gonna do it.
	It's in her mouth.
	It's in my mouth.
	Who knows what's going on?
	I wasn't going there.
	I'm just saying that it is a bottle of money.
	We're learning a lot about you today.
	You're not doing that with a cigar, though.
	What about the hookah smoker?
	What's going to happen to the hookah smokers, man?
	What's the profile of a hookah smoker?
	Hookah smoker, my Middle Eastern friend.
	26-year-old Armenian, you know.
	Maybe named Tigran, maybe not.
	I don't know.
	With the perfect beard, you know.
	And every sentence starts with bro.
	Brother.
	Brother.
	That's like, that's a lit eye.
	Bro.
	Bro.
	Okay.
	Okay, so we did a little prejudice, a little profile.
	Stay out of Texas for real.
	This was kind of cool.
	We got a little bit out of the system here today.
	Don't speak cigarettes.
	Let's talk about what J.P. Morgan is doing.
	Very offensive what they're doing over there.
	So here we go.
	Graduates should expect to work 12-hour days, six days a week to really master their job, says JP Morgan executive, a business insider story.
	Graduate wealth management analysts should expect to work 72 hours a week than they'll be better trained for it, according to Mary Callahan Erdos, the CEO of JP Morgan Chase's asset and wealth management division, based on the idea that it takes roughly 10,000 hours to gain base level mastery of something.
	It's going to take around five years if somebody works eight hour days, five days a week, she said.
	On Wall Street, it takes, it's more like 12-hour days, six days a week.
	That cuts you down to about two and a half years before you master it something.
	I love the fact that they're just open about it.
	In 2013, an intern of Bank of America, Merrill Lynch's London office, died of a seizure.
	While it was conclusive, an inquest concluded that overwork could have contributed to 21-year-old Moritz Erdhaut his death.
	Unfortunate story, obviously, there.
	But the fact that the CEO is openly saying if you want to make it, it's 12-hour days, six days a week to cut down the mastering the skill set in half the time, two and a half years.
	Adam, your thoughts on this?
	I'm totally okay with this as long as it's full disclosure before you get the job.
	Think about who's taking these jobs.
	Very established, you know, you should.
	You think somebody's taking this job not knowing those are the hours?
	No, it's I'm saying they know this.
	Of course.
	No, no, no.
	Don't take the job.
	Exactly.
	Yeah.
	Look, why are you taking this job?
	Because you want to make money.
	Because you want to make money.
	Yeah, it's a tough job.
	So if you're saying that it typically takes five years to do this, now you can do this in two and a half years.
	You graduate, you're 22, you're 23.
	By the time you're 25, you put in the crazy hours.
	You're 25.
	You've made money.
	You're an expert.
	I believe it was Malcolm Gladwell that says you need to put in 10,000 hours to be an expert at something.
	And if you can do it in half the time, and by the time you're 25, you're an established expert in a field.
	By the time you're 30, you'll have multi-millions in the bank.
	I think a lot of people would want to do this.
	Yes, you're sacrificing your early 20s.
	And yes, there's burnout and burnout is real, but you know what you're getting yourself into if that's a job you're taking.
	I call bullshit.
	I think it's nonsense that you're going to take your lowest wage employees, grind them into dust.
	Whoever makes it makes it.
	Whoever doesn't wasn't worth it.
	You know, meanwhile, Jamie Dimon's getting another freaking billion dollars or whatever they're giving him.
	But these aren't the lowest wage employees.
	These are right out of college.
	These are the lowest wage people, right?
	These are people fresh out of college.
	They're making six figures.
	These are men.
	They're making six figures.
	These are wealth management analysts.
	These are not your local internships.
	This is not the person starting out at the bottom of the food chain.
	Well, they're starting out at the bottom in the wealth management sector.
	Look, I think anybody who graduated from Harvard Business School is time to grind.
	If there's work to do, do the work.
	What I don't like is I've been in environments where the culture is we're there from eight to eight, and then people sandbag their way through the day not doing work because they think they're going to be there all day.
	And it's what in baseball we used to call eyewash.
	Eyewash is like when people just sit there doing nothing until they think the coach is watching and then they start shuffling the papers and it's like, oh, I'm doing work, Look at me working so hard.
	No, like, look, if you have work to do, do work.
	Now, I don't, I didn't come up in the financial industry.
	I came up in creative.
	So it was the exact opposite for us.
	We just, you got paid for a project.
	And the best directors, the best producers that I was on, it was like, hey, if we got the project done, if we got all our shots, get out of here.
	We're not getting paid by the hour.
	Like, in that case, it's a raise.
	You know, when you do a commercial and you've got two days and you've got, you know, essentially 20 hours, two shoot days.
	And then if you get done by 16 hours, you got all your shots and you got all your pickups and everything like that.
	You're paying your crew extra.
	So what ends up happening, the same crew comes back multiple times and they get better and better and better and more efficient at their job because they know if I do my job and I do it well, we're getting out of here.
	I don't have to be here till midnight tonight.
	I'm going to get out of here at 8 o'clock.
	So I've seen it from the other side.
	If you guys, I haven't been in that position.
	So I shouldn't have had such a strong opinion on that from the beginning.
	I do apologize for that.
	But if there is 12 hours worth of work to do, do the work.
	Compete.
	I'm all for that.
	But if you're just setting an environment where this is.
	This is not the environment where you're sitting around.
	Buddy, let me put it in.
	This is in like paper push.
	Gerard, it's a little bit of a reach, but I get it.
	Your world you're in, your world is not this world.
	Your world is project-based.
	You go finish the project, you're done.
	I get it.
	That's the optics.
	That's the part you're in.
	In this world, if you're going to sit around the 12 hours at the office and do nothing, you will be fired in 90 days.
	Less than that.
	This is not a job for you, bro.
	Morgan Stanley Dean Wooder, your first year, and this is an 0-1 when I got the job 20 years ago.
	If you didn't bring $10 million your first year in, you're fired.
	If you didn't pass your Series 7 the first time, not second, third time.
	Morgan Merrill Goldman, you have to pass it the first time.
	You don't, you're fired, right?
	If you don't pass it the first time, you're fired.
	If you don't get $10 million your first year, you're fired.
	There is no time to sit around and shoot the shit and look at Instagram videos all day long and TikTok and Twitter videos.
	You do that, it's over with.
	You have to go out there, network.
	You have to go out there, shake hands, you have to go out there in the morning.
	You have to go out there to the country club.
	You have to drive the appointments.
	You have to do anything and everything it takes to be a winner in this job.
	So, what does that 12 hours look like?
	What is that 12 hours?
	It's non-stop.
	You're either prospecting, you're either looking for clients, you're either networking, you have to be around or you're analyzing.
	You're doing data analytics.
	So, you're learning about what's going on.
	You're studying everything in the market, what's going on.
	You're studying the papers.
	You're trying to see what this analyst is saying, what that analyst is saying, what's an official buy, what's a hold, what's a sell, what just changed categories, who got a better rating, whose quarterly calls coming up.
	Let me see what this guy's going to be doing.
	But most of this job is shaking hands, being in front of people.
	Are you actually managing the wealth?
	My understanding was that there were programs, like there's a Goldman fund that you go into and you get into this, and you get it.
	Like, so what?
	Why would I go with, for example, okay, why would I go with you know, uh, JP Morgan instead of Western Mutual?
	Why, why would I go with you?
	You're gonna, you, you, everybody here brags that they have the best money manager, they have the best fund, they have the best whatever.
	So, you're putting you're gambling where you're putting your money with.
	Goldman's gonna say we're the best because you are able to participate in certain things that others are not.
	Like, Goldman says, to get into Goldman, to have an account with them to manage your money, it's $10 million.
	Yeah, I was gonna say, you ain't got $10 million.
	You can't be.
	This is Goldman doesn't let you get in with less than $10 million.
	You're not doing the $10,000 buy-in.
	That's Bank of America.
	Goldman's dog.
	Goldman is going to be the $10 million client.
	But if you're with Goldman, here's what happens with Goldman.
	You want an IPO to participate in Uber before anybody else has done?
	Yeah, you can go in.
	How much do you want to put in?
	Half a million?
	Great.
	You can go in because you're part of the Goldman family.
	Those types of opportunities come to you.
	But you know how many total advisors Goldman's Goldman has?
	How many think Goldman has?
	No idea.
	Maybe under 500.
	400, 400.
	That is all.
	Goldman's Goldman Sachs.
	In the United States or worldwide?
	In the U.S., Goldman Sachs's office in Dallas is half the size of this office.
	10 estate?
	They have 10 annuals?
	They have 400 financial advisors is what they have.
	That is it.
	To get a job with Goldman.
	There's probably a lot more in California and New York.
	You have to get the cream of the crop.
	You have to be the cream of the crop.
	Now, if you make it at Goldman five years later, minimum seven-figure earner.
	If you're there 10 years and you're a killer, you can make 5, 10, 15, 20.
	You can make money if you're at a place like that.
	But is it easy to make it and stay there?
	Absolutely not.
	So, again, if you want to, you know, we look at sports and you're like, hey, to get to the next level, it takes a lot.
	Okay, four questions.
	Are you clear on what you want to do with your life, your dreams, your goals?
	Number one, most people are not.
	I asked this question last week in Dallas.
	How many of you are clear?
	Everybody's hands went up.
	I said, great.
	I'm going to ask the question one more time.
	How many of you guys are so clear about your dreams and goals that if I bring you up on stage, you can recite it to everybody in 20 seconds?
	This is what happened.
	A thousand people in the room, 50 hands are up.
	It was 800 hands up when I asked it openly.
	Then when there was a commitment to you coming and presenting it to everybody else, their hands went up.
	That's okay, great.
	So most of you guys don't even know what your dreams and goals are.
	I know what it is to be there.
	I've been there before as well.
	Number two, let's just say you know what your dreams and goals are.
	Do you know how demanding that dream or goal is to become a reality?
	So a person says, what?
	Yes or what?
	No.
	I don't know how demanding it is.
	I want to do this.
	I don't know how long it's going to take.
	You don't know how demanding it is.
	Oh, yeah, I want to make a millionaire.
	Do you really know what it takes?
	Like we talked about, nobody takes this job.
	You're not knowing how much we're talking about.
	You know how demanding it is to be that person.
	It's a lot of work.
	The greatest of the greatest comedians that I read about, and I go see what they did, they freaking had no life for five, ten years.
	They went out.
	It's like maniacal.
	It's not the best life.
	The people who went and played in the military and guys made it to the top, dude, they were doing correspondence afterwards.
	I wasn't doing correspondence afterwards.
	Matter of fact, I can tell you this, two and a half years in the military.
	I've never taken one correspondence class.
	My buddy took correspondence classes.
	He retired as a Delta Force.
	I got out as an E4.
	I was not taking military seriously.
	So I didn't have like a, hey, I'm going to go take correspondence.
	So let me go back at it.
	How clear are you already about your dreams and goals?
	Number one.
	Number two, how demanding is that dream?
	Like if it's to win an Emmy, if it's to win an Oscar, how demanding is that?
	Number three is the tough question that everybody secretly answers that nobody knows.
	You know what the question is?
	Are you willing to meet the demand required to have your dreams and goals and vision become a reality?
	And most the answer is what?
	Secretly, they say what?
	I'm just not willing to do it.
	I'd much rather go home and party.
	And the last one is the following.
	And then I'm going to turn it over to you.
	The last one is when you sit there and you close your eyes and you dream about whatever your vision is, whatever your dream is to become a reality, you're by yourself when you think about it.
	Does it get you emotional?
	Does it get you fired up?
	Does it get you to say, oh my gosh, like you get the chills all over your body?
	If it doesn't, it's not really that big of a dream.
	You know who I think of when, as you're explaining this story, the last great interview you ever did with Kobe Bryant.
	Like this is exactly the blueprint that he probably lived by, right?
	Am I clear on what I want to be?
	Alan Iverson.
	I want to be able to be a superstar.
	Yes.
	Do I know how demanding this is going to be?
	Oh, yes.
	You wasn't with me when I was shooting in the gym.
	And by the way, Alan Iverson's Hall of Famer.
	But I have a hard time.
	Who Alan Iverson?
	Yeah.
	Okay, great.
	So bring that up.
	Fantastic.
	So go there.
	You ready?
	Go there.
	Every time you move up, there is a next level.
	You may be the best player at YMCA league, Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday league.
	You crush everybody.
	You're the rocks.
	And when you leave, people are taking pictures with you.
	Oh, that's me on Tuesday.
	And then you go play at an LA Fitness League at 8 a.m. in the morning, 7 a.m. in the morning.
	You're a nobody.
	But let's just say you eventually get so competitive that you play good at the LA Fitness place.
	Then you go play against college basketball players and then you're a nobody.
	Then let's just say you get good enough to play for college.
	Then all of a sudden you have what it takes to go into the NBA.
	You're actually doing something.
	You went into the final four.
	You made a name for yourself.
	You go into the NBA.
	Then all of a sudden you're like, dude, she's a freaking different game.
	These guys are going to next level.
	Then you get good enough to be an all-star.
	Now you go into the all-star game.
	Then you're good enough to go into the playoffs.
	Then you go into the finals.
	Then you see the other guy handles pressure better than you do.
	He's a champion.
	You were a 14-year NBA veteran, but the guy won a championship.
	You didn't.
	There's always the next level at every level.
	And the next level at every level is more demanding.
	And there are people that eventually say, I'm just not going to go at this level.
	I'm just not.
	I'm just not going to go at this level.
	By the way, and I'm fully convinced, Gerard, this mindset is applicable to every industry.
	I am convinced in Hollywood, the guys who eventually become the Steven Spielbergs of the world, while everybody else is going out there celebrating hardcore partying.
	I'm convinced those guys go out there and they're working on their next script.
	I'm convinced those guys go out there and they're already looking at the next thing.
	Almost every single person I've studied who made it at the highest level, you know, the similar answers like, what's your favorite movie you ever made?
	You know what they say?
	I haven't made it yet.
	The next one.
	What's your favorite championship?
	The next one?
	Oh, like what Tom Brady just said.
	The point is, it's like...
	My favorite ring is the one I haven't gotten yet.
	Versus the people always are like, well, let me tell you, man, back in, you know, 1993 when I did XYZ, that's the problem.
	Cal Bundy scored four touchdowns for points.
	That's the problem.
	So in the world of competition, yes.
	You want to get to.
	And by the way, just so everybody knows, so everybody knows this DEI, you know, diverse, equity, and inclusive.
	The person who said these words, just so let me reread it.
	The person who said these words, her name, not his name, her name is Mary Callahan Erdos, the CEO of J.P. Morgan Chase, Asset and Wealth Management Division.
	Her name.
	So this is not if it's a he or a she.
	She says to make it requires 12 hours a day, six days a week to make it at two and a half years.
	She says that.
	This is not like a bunch of men that are making other men work hard and all this other stuff.
	Nope.
	By the way, I've sat with women in the financial industry.
	Let me tell you, some of the most impressive people I've ever sat across.
	Beasts.
	Beasts.
	You sit there.
	They will eat your lunch and they're intimidating.
	They're so solid because they can compete in this league.
	Men fear these women.
	So it's not about, this isn't about sex.
	This isn't about color.
	This isn't about any.
	This is about, are you willing to pay the price to be the cream of the crop in your industry?
	How bad do you want it?
	Are you willing to meet the demand?
	And I'm telling you, Gerard, I'm telling you, 99% of the time, you're going to eventually hit a level that you're going to either say, I'm content with this amount of what we produce with a product.
	And in that moment is a breaking point to say, you're going to go a little bit more because the other guy's going to go a little bit more.
	You're going to go a little bit more.
	You do this thing.
	You do this visualization.
	That's the one.
	Always.
	The next level.
	You're always at the bottom of the next level.
	Everybody's always at the bottom of the next level.
	All of us.
	Well, you basically had this conversation with Shaq, right?
	I mean, more or less.
	with Kobe, but Shaq doesn't want to have this conversation, but the whole idea...
	Well, when he said how great would Shaq be if you had your work ethic...
	He'd be the best player of all time.
	Shaq said it's the dumbest question anyone's ever asked.
	And he DM'd me, he was pissed off and he blocked me.
	Shaq, come on the podcast.
	Let's work this thing out.
	All right.
	The guy, again, though, multiple time champion, hall of famer, business icon.
	You know, there's, I guess, okay.
	I don't disagree with anything you've said.
	I disagree with nothing that you've said.
	But just to give, I don't know, another opinion.
	All right.
	I've seen guys that do want it too bad, and it's all they think about and they obsess about it.
	And they go, I was one of those guys, especially.
	It's all you think about.
	It's everything.
	And then when the wheel breaks a little bit, it breaks all the way.
	Like when there's a little crack, it cracks all the way.
	I think that there has to be some sort of, to me, it's like a Ferrari, right?
	You can take the best car in the world.
	And if you keep it in the red the whole time and you push, the best car in the world is going to be.
	No one's ever said that.
	No one's ever said that.
	By the way, that is a misconception right there, Gerard.
	So let me take you back.
	When you hear stories like that of a person that gave everything and they still didn't make it, it is such a discouraging story for young kids that are sitting there saying, Eff it, why am I going to give my best?
	It's a very discouraging story.
	Let me explain to you.
	Trying is worth it.
	No, okay, for sure.
	Now it's a different story.
	But let me give you the other side.
	We will rarely talk about our F-ups on why we didn't make it to the next level.
	We will rarely talk about our F-ups, why we didn't make it to the next level.
	Rarely.
	One day Mario's talking to me, and I love watching Mario play soccer.
	I mean, it's just, if Mario plays, I want to watch this guy play.
	The guy's got calves for days.
	It's not just calves for days.
	I just like watching him play.
	You know what he said to me the other day?
	He said, you know what one of my biggest fears in life is?
	He says, one of my biggest fears in life is the fact that I can't ever play soccer again.
	Can you imagine this guy says, one of my biggest fears in life is that I can't play the game I love playing.
	This is him.
	So he tells a story.
	He says, one time I'm a junior or whatever.
	I mean, sophomore, what is 10th grade?
	Whatever 10th grade.
	Is this freshman or freshman is nineteen, right?
	Sophomore.
	Sophomore is 10th grade.
	Okay, sophomore synchronous.
	So he says, I'm in sophomore right now and I'm playing for the varsity team and he's kicking us.
	He's doing a great job.
	I think he's the captain of the team, whatever.
	And there's this moment where the coach is challenging him and he talks back.
	And he just publicly, you know, goes after his, what do you call it, his coach.
	And the coach pulls him aside and he says, you know what?
	You just messed up everything.
	You're off the team.
	You ain't going to play.
	You're never going to get playing time with me.
	Okay.
	And he says, I'm like, I quit.
	I give up.
	And he left.
	So then you hear that story and you say, okay, that's probably not a story you want to tell publicly.
	But Marius told that story publicly, right?
	Here's what I did.
	Those stories we all have.
	I have those stories where I was at when I'm coming up.
	I'm a six, four and a half guy.
	What do you mean you didn't play any kind of organized sports?
	I have my own stories, what I didn't want to do.
	Everybody has those stories.
	But sometimes when you're saying a guy doesn't make it today, he gave everything, he did this, he did that.
	Sometimes one to me is you just don't have the talent to play at that level.
	That's number one to do.
	Which is true.
	Which is the first time you do max out what broke.
	First of all, you played semi-pro baseball.
	What are you talking about?
	Like, what percentage of the freaking kids out of high school ever play college later on semi-maybe you could hit the shit out of a fastball?
	You couldn't hit a curve.
	Tom change up is what going on.
	Tom Delsworth the other day telling me, Tom's like, yeah, I took Gerard to a baseball game.
	This is Tom's commentary on taking Gerard to a baseball game.
	He says, I take the Gerard to a baseball game.
	Which was awesome.
	Thank you.
	He said, we go to a baseball game.
	It's a pitching duel, which he loves.
	And he says, we go to a place and the guy's throwing pitches and they're allowing people to hit.
	So Gerard goes in and he grabs a bat.
	He says, you're going to let me use this metal bat?
	And the guy says, yeah.
	You sure?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Nobody knows who he is.
	They're just kind of like another guy that's coming here trying to hit our baseball.
	So the guy starts pitching.
	Tom's like, Pat, Gerard looked like an MLB player.
	Everybody was shell-shocked with how beautiful Gerard was hitting the ball.
	On the field, or this isn't a batting cage.
	The batting cage.
	Yeah.
	He says he was killing it.
	People are like, who is this guy?
	Meaning.
	It's a white Cecil Fielder.
	White Cecil Fielder.
	What's the most home runs he ever hit in a season?
	47.
	51.
	I don't know.
	Yeah.
	51.
	So anyway.
	I could see you being a Cecil Fielder, too.
	So but the point is, there's a little bit of talent.
	There's a little bit of talent.
	There's a little bit of attitude.
	There's a little bit of ego.
	There's a little bit of you're not coachable.
	There's a little bit of nobody tells me what to do.
	There's a little bit of your prima donna of who you were in the high school.
	Because sometimes when a kid knows from 10th grade he's going to be an MLB, that's actually a bad thing.
	Like, you know, the kid that knows like this guy's going to be an MLB.
	Somebody needs to.
	He's just around when he was going to the NBA.
	You're right.
	You just shut off.
	The other way, bro.
	You don't listen.
	You're like, dude, I know, what are you talking about?
	You're just a $60,000 year teacher.
	What do you know?
	I'm going to be a freaking multi-million dollar contract.
	You have that absolute arrogant.
	No one wants to coach you.
	My guy's in a company right now.
	We've had a lot of different people in the company, right?
	The number one earner is not the most talented guy in the company.
	And they say it.
	They say it.
	One of the best things I've ever heard in a history of basketball was they asked, who's the guy that came up with Triangle Offense?
	Is it a Tex winner?
	It's a Tex winner.
	Tex winner who taught Phil Jackson about the Triangle offense.
	So they interview Tex winner.
	They say, Tex, you've been in this league for a long time.
	He says, long time.
	Long time.
	50 years.
	Yes, long time.
	Who did you coach that knew the most about basketball?
	He says, oh, that's easy.
	He said, who?
	He said, Jordan Farmar.
	It's a Jordan Farmar.
	Jordan Farming Guard?
	Jordan Farmar.
	Jordan Farmer.
	He says, why Jordan Farmar?
	He says, because you couldn't teach the guy anything.
	He knew it all.
	Oh, man.
	Think about that analogy.
	Jordan's sales.
	This is Tex.
	You see, and by the way, I liked this game when he was on the Lakers.
	I like this game.
	And he went and played in China or Europe.
	I don't know where he played.
	And he came back and he actually recovered.
	He ended up having the tail end of his career was good.
	So I think there's more to this story than just.
	Okay, so let me ask this.
	How do you reconcile those two things and then come back and find that next gear?
	If you feel like you've gotten as far as you can go, I put the work in.
	I've done as much as I can and I've done the best I can.
	How do you then find that next gear?
	In another career or in that specific sport you're still in or business?
	Should you?
	Well, what do you think?
	Should you leave and create something else?
	Here's what I tell you.
	What I would do is, number one, like for me, you know, in July of 2009, I said, we're going to have half a million licensed agents by 2029.
	That's a pretty crazy vision too.
	CAST.
	At that time, we had like 66 agents when we started a company in September of 09.
	And I said, we're going to have a half a million licensed agents.
	Crazy.
	29, 30 years old?
	Fine.
	Insane.
	But why did I say it?
	At first, when I got into sales, I'm working at Bally's.
	I'm sitting, I'm like, dude, I suck at sales.
	Gerard, I was the worst salesperson.
	I'm the best guy, best in shape guy at the gym.
	I couldn't sell one membership.
	It can't be worse than the guy at LA Fitness.
	It cannot be.
	Four weeks goes by.
	I go to Cisco.
	I said, Cisco, I'm going to go back into the Army.
	I suck.
	I said, what do you mean?
	He said, I suck.
	He said, before you quit, just give it one more month.
	I said, you have to realize I'm the worst salesman in here.
	He says, go and sell memberships at the mall.
	I said, let me get this straight.
	I can't sell memberships at a gym with equipment here.
	You want me to go sell memberships at a mall?
	He said, I want you to go to Fox Hills Mall.
	Just go to Fox Hills Mall.
	So I go to Fox Hills Mall.
	And I'm behind the desk.
	You know, escalators behind me.
	People are walking.
	I would not leave here.
	But the best guys were always there.
	I was always in the back.
	Okay.
	So I noticed this guy said, I'm like, screw it.
	I'm going to go to the front.
	I go to the front.
	I sell my first membership.
	Girl comes, never forget this girl.
	Nicest girl.
	$75 down, $32 a month.
	Corporate contract.
	I'm like, I sold the contract.
	I sold the membership.
	I'm not going back to the army.
	I was so excited.
	This 21-year-old camp.
	I'm like, finally sold the damn membership, right?
	So September of 1999, I'm 20 years old, right?
	30 days goes by.
	I break the record.
	I become the rookie of the month.
	And then I come back and I become a manager.
	Anyways, things start taking off for me.
	Then I get into the insurance space.
	It was confidence is what you mean?
	Confidence came back up.
	Then I'm like, but I'm still partying.
	I'm still distracted.
	I'm still all this other stuff.
	Then I go into the insurance.
	I'm like, this is getting hard.
	I don't think this is for me.
	So you get past that phase.
	Then you start making money.
	Then you start winning.
	Then everybody starts telling you how amazing you are.
	You're freaking ridiculous.
	Bro, one of the greatest drugs, one of the greatest drugs that's not even a drug is flattery.
	Flattery ruins women, men, and athletes and business people.
	You're so amazing.
	You're better than your dad.
	You're better than this.
	You're better than, like, that kind of stuff.
	When people say this division, it's like, dude, you know, so you become that cocky.
	So the words, I got lucky where people said other things to me behind closed doors.
	Okay.
	I got lucky.
	They would say the opposite.
	It's like, well, we'll see.
	A lot of guys have come and they've collapsed.
	A lot of guys have come and they've ruined their careers because of that, that, that.
	A lot of guys have come up like you and they've done this.
	That's what I needed.
	I feared losing it all and I heard that messaging.
	So now you get to a person that says, okay, I get to a point.
	I don't make it.
	What do I do at a level like that?
	Number one, I would get serious counsel.
	Like the fighter.
	Mickey tells Dickie, Ma, stop acting like Dickie's going to fight again.
	He's 40 years old.
	Stop lying to him.
	He's never going to fight again.
	Hard truth.
	Hard truth from people that love you, that you know they're not going to lie to you.
	It's not easy to do.
	It's got to be behind closed doors, you and them.
	Then based on that, you can't rely on one.
	It's got to be three or four because they got to give you a different perspective.
	And then at that point, you got to make that decision and move on.
	In your gut, if you get a feeling that this is what it is, now, here's the other part.
	Some people hear this message.
	They will only go talk to the people that they know they're going to tell them to move on.
	I had a guy that told me right.
	Looking for a way out.
	Looking for a way out.
	One of the guys I'm consulting, the Stanfields, they have a pizza shop.
	Love these guys.
	They call me and they say, hey, Pat, yes.
	We have made a decision.
	We're moving on from the pizza business.
	We're going to go into a different industry.
	I said, really?
	I said, yeah.
	Were you on it or no?
	Did you hear my conversation with them?
	I said, really?
	You're moving on?
	I said, yes.
	Tell me why.
	Oh, we just know we're going to do better in different businesses.
	I said, oh, okay, interesting.
	I said, let me ask you a question.
	Is it because you think you're going to do different things in a different industry, or do you think this thing got really, really hard and you just kind of want to throw in the towel?
	Well, no, I think it's because we want to move to a different industry.
	I said, can I ask you guys a question?
	I see you.
	I said, you pay a lot of money to me on a monthly basis.
	Why are you bullshitting me?
	What's the point of you bullshitting me?
	Like, you're paying me.
	Like, what are you trying to impress me?
	Don't try to impress me.
	Just tell me, what do you guys talk about late at night in bed?
	How much do you hate your current business because of how hard it is?
	And they look at each other and he says, just tell them.
	Just tell him.
	And she says, Pat, COVID was hard.
	Selling pizza during COVID was hard.
	It's the hardest thing we ever did.
	I said, what happened to you guys telling me nine months ago you guys want to build a franchise doing $30 million a year and all of a sudden you're discouraged nine months later?
	What happened here?
	I said, here's how I work when it comes down to marriage.
	You guys want to get a divorce?
	I said, I believe in divorce.
	I'm not one that says, you know, what is it called?
	You know, anyways, the stuff, you know, to death whose part, all this stuff.
	I do think sometimes marriage does make sense.
	My parents got a divorce, best decision they made to get in the divorce.
	Before you get a divorce, 12 therapy sessions together with a therapist, six by yourself.
	If after that, you guys are still convinced you guys got to go out there and throw in the towel, guess what?
	Go get the divorce.
	And you gave it a shot.
	That's what I'm saying.
	That's what I'm saying.
	So meaning before you say, oh, it's not going to work yet.
	I'm going to go to the next business.
	Because the guy asked me a question this last week.
	He says, hey, what do you say to the insurance agent that's struggling?
	He's been having a hard time the last two years.
	I said, listen, you're either struggling because you're not working.
	You're either struggling because your attitude sucks.
	You're either struggling because you're not getting better because of the language, or you're struggling because you're just newer in the business and you haven't hit the five-year marker.
	Stick around five years.
	Five years later, give your best.
	If you're not making the kind of money you want and the lifestyle you have, then consider moving on.
	But if you do it after 18 more months, what do you know about this industry?
	You know nothing yet.
	So there's a combination.
	It's such, there is no black and white answer to it.
	I've seen some people that have such a big upside go talk to somebody that they know they're going to say, oh, baby, this is too much work for you.
	Go home.
	You should take a break.
	This is too stressful.
	That guy, all he cares about is money.
	And they ruined the guy's life and now he's broke still living with mommy and daddy.
	So it's very important who you go into and talk to when you're all the way at the decision-making point, relationship or career.
	Tivia, I've heard you tell this story before, and you talked about who's in your ear and what they're saying and flattery and all that.
	You've said something to the effect of when your top guys are killing it, that's when you kind of bring them back down to earth.
	Or when someone's struggling, that's when you kind of build them up.
	You've said this before, right?
	Like if someone's killing it and they had their best six months of their life or whatever, you don't be like, bro, you're the killing it.
	You're the man.
	You say, hey, so tell us about that.
	Yeah, it's a mistake.
	When a guy's killing it, you don't overbuild them up.
	Because, you know, the one thing goes when you win and you make money or you're winning in sports, business, life, and anything.
	The moment you start winning, paranoia goes away.
	Yeah.
	Once you start believing the highest drink in your own life.
	When paranoia goes away.
	It is so dangerous.
	It's a motivating factor.
	It is so dangerous when paranoia goes away.
	Hey, man, you just won.
	Literally, I won't.
	Last night, I left the gym.
	I'm like, I got to get you back in the office, man.
	Like, she's going to call me 11.
	I got a phone call.
	I was like, I got to get back.
	But we talked about this before, and this brings this whole thing full circle, man.
	Was I played with a lot of dudes?
	And it's crazy because I see it now as like a second wave of my life.
	I see it now with dudes that have been in creative industry and guys that have been in their life.
	I think people, you talked about partying and losing focus.
	I think some people seek that out on purpose because it's easier for me to say, I didn't make it because, oh, I started drinking, or I didn't make it because, oh, man, I got into the girls.
	Yeah, it's way easier to say, if only I hadn't drank, then, dude, I just wasn't getting it.
	If I didn't have that ankle, I just wasn't.
	Everyone wants an excuse.
	No one wants to say, yeah, I did it.
	I just wasn't.
	But you seek it out just in case.
	Like Simone Biles.
	Like, I don't know anything about Simone Biles from a wall, but she's a champion.
	Maybe she thought, man, I just don't have it this time.
	Anxiety or COVID or something.
	It's better for me to back out with an excuse than it is for me to not win gold.
	I can't see me as anything other than a champion.
	You know what's the crazy thing?
	I don't know if that's true.
	You know what's the crazy thing?
	We will never know.
	Because there are certain things in life we will never tell the truth to the world to say face.
	There are certain questions.
	You will never, ever know the answer to that question.
	Never.
	There are a lot of decisions that we make, and we're very good at acting as if we made the right decision to protect our egos and protect our position.
	We're pros at it.
	Every one of us in the world is pro at this.
	This isn't like you're better than another person, than another person.
	And every once in a while, if you can show the humane side that I effed up and I wish I would have done something differently, then people realize you're human and they'd relate to you.
	We all want to be able to do that, but it's so hard to do.
	Vulnerability is really hard, man.
	So hard to do, especially.
	It's like the memes that go around.
	Like, everything's fine.
	Everything's fine.
	Nothing to see you here.
	Anyways, I'm here on the clock.
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