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Last night, we had the last two days were board meeting days.
So we had a bunch of people in town.
We're having meetings, going back and forth.
Yes, sir.
Last time we get back to the house, it's late, 10 o'clock.
We're sitting there.
I'm like, let me watch this few minutes of this Lakers Golden Celtics game.
I'm picking.
I'll watch a couple quarters and I'm on the table.
No, you just said Celtics game.
Golden Celtics.
Lakers Golden State game Steph Curry against West Coast, you could go to sleep at 9.45.
Here, it's midnight.
Welcome to the East Coast, baby.
East Coast, and then, you know, Steph Curry.
And that thing goes to overtime.
You're up till midnight.
Two turnovers, and then LeBron James scores the shot, and it's game over.
By the way, do you know how many points Draymond Green scored yesterday?
Zero.
Two points.
Two points.
Zero for five.
445.
In 41 minutes, he's scored.
I assume he had a bunch of assists and you got to at least give 12 points in a game like this.
How big is his contract?
Remember?
Didn't he sign a giant 80, 100?
The moment he did his field goal percentage, free throw percentage, three-point percentage, everything dropped.
Meaning he just said, I'm a great defender, and that's all it is.
Anyway, he's got to bring more to the table.
I think so, man.
I think if you're going to win.
Two points.
Two points or two points.
Two points.
Come on, homie.
Yeah, two points.
So step one, sign a big mega-year contract.
Step two, gain 15 pounds.
Step three, stop working the cardio, even though you gain the pounds.
Step four, forget about shooting.
Step five, cash those checks.
Here's the crazy thing.
He played lights out defense.
Lights out defense.
I mean, the guy was ridiculous last night in the way he played defense.
But man, if he would have scored five points, it would have been overtime.
If he would have scored six points, two points, they would have won the game.
That has to be a conversation that they're discussing with the coaches.
Draymond, you got to shoot this very quickly.
But did you see the walk-off?
I've been to have the conversations with Steph Curry.
He's a beast when he's in the middle of the day.
Dear God.
Anyways, just so you know, last night, Tom, for the first time in his life, watched the Ricky J. Gervais message at the Golden Globes.
Yeah.
It was his first time he watched it.
He hadn't seen it yet.
What'd you think of that?
I thought it was shocking that one guy is up there speaking truth and poking.
So it was mixing it up.
He got away with it.
It was a lasagna of truth, poke, truth, poke, truth, poke.
And everybody was really nervous laughing about it.
Meat, lasagna, or veggie lasagna.
Where'd he go?
No, no, this was all meat.
He was heading for heart.
He was heading forward.
This is the speech where he said, get up there.
Thank you, Agent.
Thank you, God.
Let's go.
Keep it moving.
Yeah, he picked on Apple, and this where he looks at Leonardo DiCaprio and he said, hey, you know, we got a problem here.
If this thing goes four hours, by the end of it, you know, Leonardo DiCaprio's date will be too old for him.
That's an easy joke with Leo.
Yeah, but that's one of those poke in the heart that you're not supposed to do in Hollywood.
And then the rest of it, he was really good.
He looks at Tim Cook.
He says, Apple, do not lecture us on human rights.
You eat your sweatshops.
Don't walk up here and say, thank you, people.
Thank you, my God, and everything.
Just shut up and take your award and sit down.
And that one I thought was, wow, that was like right for the hard.
I just thought of something.
What?
He's on the troll list, but like a professional troll.
Oh, you know, he's like a likable troll.
By the way, somebody said yesterday, he says, you guys forgot to talk about 50 Cents as a troll.
He's a troll as well.
Likeable.
There's likable trolls and there's unlikable trolls.
50 Cent is a troll.
And yes, today after the conversation we had, we talked about Jake Paul and Takashi.
There's a feud between the two trolls.
Trolls find trolls.
Two trolls under a bridge.
Isn't 20% of the trolls?
20% of all rap lyrics trolling in some way.
Tom, question for you.
Why do you like Takashi's music so much?
Yeah, why?
What is it?
Like, every time I'm in a car with you, you're listening to it.
What is it?
What is it?
Is it the beat?
Is it family-friendly?
Is it stuff you listen to, you leave in the church?
Why do you like Takashi's music so much?
What I love about it is the melodic themes wrapped around the Texas blues, and it just works.
Yeah.
That's it.
That makes a lot of sense.
Okay, so a lot's happened the last 48 hours.
Yes?
That's true.
A lot has happened the last 48 hours.
Too much been happening.
I got a haircut.
Adam got a haircut, right?
Yeah.
Well, we paid some different prices from what I understand.
Here we go.
There we go.
I need a haircut.
I go to get a haircut from this guy.
Love this guy.
Great guy.
I had Rappahat Tony make a video to send to him for me to go to get a haircut.
And the time comes to pay, $72.10.
I'm like, $72 for a haircut.
Not tip.
What was it?
$10?
$72.
It's $70 plus $3 for the fee.
So $3 times $70 is $2.10.
So $70.
Carry the two.
I'm like, okay, fine.
I can respect the $20.
$72 for a haircut.
$20.10 for the haircut.
By the way, here's the first thing I thought about when I left.
And we talked about it after.
He says, why do you have that reaction to it?
I said, look, I've never paid $72.10 for a haircut, and I've had a lot of great haircuts.
Tell me how you determine your pricing.
He says, well, you had an appointment with me.
And by the way, this guy's a die-hard value tainter.
Great guy.
Sweetheart of a guy.
You know, we had the other day, we went and met him.
Nice guy.
And he did a great job.
Michael sent me a video.
I sent it to him.
I said, $72.10, not including Tip.
He says, yes, because it's appointment only.
I said, so let me look at the haircut.
Everybody else was $30, $35, kids, $20.
Oh, so there's pricing on the wall.
Pricing's on the wall, but not the $72.10 pricing.
Let's hear it.
So I go all the way down on the bottom.
It says, if you have an appointment, it's $5 on top of whatever it is.
So now you're $39.
$35.
It's no problem.
He said, celebrity hairstylist nowadays is $72.10.
By the way, you know what is crazy?
He is a celebrity in the barber community.
No joke.
He's got massive followers.
When he says celebrity haircuts, that means because you're a celebrity.
No, no, no.
For him, the hairstylists and barbers nowadays who have a following, they get these $1,000 scissors.
They get this equipment.
You know what?
So, first thing I thought about?
Here's the first thing I thought about.
Every time I go to get a haircut, I always ask myself, why do barbers do it?
Because think about the math.
$35.
Let's just say you work at a place, $35.
The owner takes what part of $35.
It's like 50%.
No, it's not.
Say the owner takes.
You got to pay a fee for a chair.
Of course, that's the part.
See, the owner takes $20, okay?
Say you take $15.
You keep $15 of it because you got to pay the rent.
Say you get another $10 tip.
That's $25 an hour, $25.
It takes an hour to give a haircut.
Assuming you give eight in a day, that's how much money in the day?
$200.
$200 takes 20 days in a month is what?
$4,000 a month.
$4,000 times $12 is what?
$40 a grand a year.
So the fact that he got paid.
$60,000.
$60,000.
No, $48,000 a year.
A good barber makes.
Renting a chair.
A good barber makes.
It's not a big money.
It's not big money.
I would think it's more than that.
Do the math for me.
I don't know.
I just did the math.
I don't need to duplicate it, but I thought it'd be more.
So that's the point.
A barber at $35 is only making $50,000 a year.
So when he charged me $7,210, I went in the car, and the first thing I said is, I'm actually happy prices are going up for barbers.
No, hell no.
Let me tell you why.
Let me tell you why.
The fact that there is tears that people are willing to pay this kind of money for somebody that does high-quality hair.
You do the math on the 72.10.
How much does he keep on 72.10?
Take the tip, 15 additional bucks, because you do 20%.
So it's thank you.
Whoa, so it's 86 bucks.
Shout out to Caroline.
Shout out to you.
So say it's 86 bucks.
Out of the 86, he keeps 60.
So he does eight haircuts in a day.
That's what?
$480.
Times $20 in a month is what?
$10,000 a month.
Now, the hairstylist is making what?
Six figures.
Good for him.
But even at $72 haircut, a great barber only makes six figures per year.
Think about that.
They work when they want to work.
They're not doing six hours.
I don't know.
They're no hard labor.
Here's what I want to find out.
Yeah, I don't know about this.
There's a lot of jobs in America like how much do you pay for a haircut?
I pay about $35.
$35.
Now you're in Texas.
Not complicated.
I go.
The most I've ever paid is $35.
Yeah, okay.
Well, you're in Texas.
Yeah.
In L.A., I assume when you were living your life in L.A. Same girl cut my hair for 10 years.
I would love to hear from our audience, ladies and gentlemen, how much for the guys, obviously, because women are.
I actually want to know what is the most you've ever paid for a haircut and give us the city and the state.
But I want to know, just on average, what they pay.
What do you pay, Adam?
What do you do?
Who do you got?
He cuts himself.
Yeah, save that money.
It's usually cut my hair.
It's usually.
Does Mario Mario do this?
You watch his how-to video on YouTube.
And then they, every time I see him in the kitchen together.
Yeah, me and Mario.
Well, usually it's about $35 for a haircut.
It's about $70 for celebrities.
D-list celebrities are about $25, so I pay about $25.
You're not a D-list celebrity.
Is this a person you're going back to?
Like you've got a regular, I swear to God.
Folks, if you were here on a daily basis, Adam's probably the biggest celebrity in our office.
Yes or no?
Is he not the biggest celebrity in the office?
Employees are taking pictures.
Is this like a regular now?
You have a regular hair.
Let's see here.
Let's see.
Let's see here.
Because I've heard.
I've noticed over time they're slowly getting better.
I don't know if you've heard, but I'm kind of a big deal.
Okay, Armando Lapeda says $40, including beard.
Can you tell us where, where, what city, what city and state?
Wilberto Rodriguez said $60.
I want to know where.
Did you say including beer?
Sam.
Beard.
Beard.
Oh.
$72 is too much.
That's $40 for a haircut, including beard.
$50.
$30, including tip.
Hancho Cheese got $45.
L.A. $50.
Brian Solaris is the highest one so far.
This one guy says $15 Dogecoin.
$15 Dogecoin.
That's what?
That's $7.50.
Mobile.
Okay, here we go.
Adrian Brannigan, $100 mobile barber in D.C. Fair enough.
That's good to know the market price for mobile because you're driving, say you're taking out time.
So it's an armored car if it's $12 Miami.
Adrian said $100.
$70 Oakland $75.
$75 in Nashville.
$45.
$85 in Connecticut.
That makes in Greenwich.
What about my boy Roland?
I like his vibe.
He goes, my mom gives me a $80.
Wait a minute, wait a minute.
$85 in Canada.
Angel Cortez, $85 in Connecticut.
We have a friend in Greenwich that we need to give his name to.
$50 Miami.
And it's mobile.
He'll come to you.
Greg, I'm begging you.
Go to this guy that's $100 and $85 in Connecticut.
Adrian Bennigan, $100.
So, you know what?
Listen, there's some people that are $50, $95 in Melbourne, Australia.
And if you want him to fly out to use $3,000 for that haircut from Australia, what else we got?
So, listen.
But Qantas has got summer deals.
Yeah.
$25, $35, you know, $50 at home appointment in Santa Barbara.
Daniel Castillo family cuts it.
So you're looking at $50, $60.
You know, you don't see a lot of $70.
But I did the math yesterday, and here's what happened when we left.
He says, Pat, I'm sitting there.
He says, Pat, give us some ideas here.
Give us some wisdom.
We got a big vision.
Here's what I told him while we're with him yesterday.
And by the way, today we're going to finish the podcast at 10.30.
So if you're with us, hit the thumbs up button.
Join us, subscribe.
We've got to get time on a flight, then we'll be out of here.
We got appointments to run as well.
Here's what he asked me, Antonio.
He says, Pat, give me some feedback.
What do you think I should do?
I said, okay.
I said, do you want to be known as a great barber or do you want to be known as a great businessman?
What do you want to be known at?
That's a great question.
Yeah, he says, I want to.
You want to skill at your profession or run a business?
Yeah, because he says, I want to be known as a great businessman.
I said, then you got to change your lens.
He says, what do you mean?
I said, so let me do something for you.
So I step out.
I said, I want you to think I'm a celebrity barber, okay?
And I'm in Boca.
I'm a celebrity barber in Miami.
I'm a high-premium like you.
I'm in Boca.
I'm checking out my competition.
I decide to come and get a haircut from you.
I walk into your barber shop.
Everybody knows that they're sitting there.
They're listening.
I said, yes.
So I open the door, I walk in.
I said, if I'm a celebrity barber and I sit here, from which lens am I looking the entire store here?
He says, what do you mean?
I said, if I'm a celebrity barber, I'm probably checking out your scissors.
I said, I'm probably looking at your $250 scissors.
He says, Pat, that's $1,000 scissors.
I said, great.
I said, if I'm a celebrity barber, I'm watching how you do the fade.
I'm watching how you talk to clients.
I'm watching your style.
I'm watching what products you use.
I'm watching the kind of stuff that you have there.
Do you do massage at the end?
Do you have a washing at the end?
Do you have beers?
But I'm watching the way you cut your hair if I'm a celebrity barber because I'm watching your abilities, right?
He says, Yes.
I said, Let me go outside and come back in.
So I go outside, I come back in.
I said, I want you to know the next person that's walking in is a businessman, okay?
That everything he looks at is through the lens of a businessman.
Fair, he says, fair.
So I walk out, I come back, and I sit.
He says, While I'm sitting here, here's all I'm thinking about: why are those three chairs open?
He's losing money right there.
That guy just did a haircut.
I've been waiting here for 30 minutes, took him to get a haircut.
What's the price?
$30.
He gives him 20 bucks.
He keeps in the 15 bucks here.
It took him this long to do the haircut.
Math, I'm doing how many haircuts in an hour.
Traffic, cost, electricity.
How much money did he spend?
How much did those chairs cost?
Each chair, how much is he spending?
How much does he make?
I'm doing the math, right?
He said, Yes.
I says, You don't have the lens of a businessman.
Your lens right now is a lens of a barber.
If you want to scale your business, you got to change the lens and start looking at your business to scale, not looking at your business as I'm selling $72 haircuts because a $72 haircut, you're making $100,000 a year.
So if you got three, four, four of the barbers, you're making two, you know, a grand a month off of these guys.
You're really making what, $160, $170 a year.
That's not a million-dollar business.
That's a $160-net business.
So the biggest challenge for some folks out there who are either the celebrity professional realtor or the celebrity professional loan office or the celebrity professional whatever in any community, chiropractor.
Do you want to be that or do you want to be the one that has 40 chiropractor offices, 20 real estate offices, 30 mortgage offices?
In order to do the other part, you got to change your lens.
Simple as that.
Great guy.
I gave him a book.
He says, What do I need to do to get your back here?
I said, I need you to read this book.
You read it the moment you finish it.
Tell me you finished the book, write a paper on it.
I'll come back to get a second haircut.
He boarded a book last night, so I got to go back and get a haircut.
I think it's amazing that number one, you walk into the, you're just there to get a haircut.
So what I'm seeing here is you're identifying all the leaks and missed opportunities in his business.
So we saw you just do this for those of the hundred lucky few that were there at the SLS meeting.
And now we just launched the fact that we're doing the vault that's going to be, what, September 1st?
Yep.
These are the types of situations where you go into a barbershop and rather than, oh, I got to get my haircut.
Boom, now you're identifying leaks.
Boom.
Here's a chairs open.
Here's a book I need you to read.
You just totally changed this guy's life.
But you know what's crazy?
Here's what's crazy.
Here's what's crazy.
If you look at Tom, okay?
If you look at Greg, if you look at you, if you look at me, Sam, everybody in this room here, right?
The 21-year-old Pat, when he walked into the mall, what lens did he have on?
What do you think he was looking for?
Just looking to buy some people.
I want to look cool.
I'm just hanging out.
The 21-year-old Penn when he walked into the mall, you weren't buying anything?
The 21-year-old Pat walking into the mall is only looking for tight jeans, nice legs, nice.
You're looking for chicks.
My only lens was that.
So it was the lens, right?
See, I give you a little more credit than that.
You think too highly of me at the 21-year-old.
The 21, I didn't have a lot of priorities.
So then you look at another person that goes in.
So everything about everything we do.
Okay.
A mother walks in to a place, okay?
And they look at the living room.
A father walks into the living room and says, Oh my God, look at the view.
Look how sick this is.
Look at the hotel.
Look how sick the window is.
A mother walks in and says, Oh, look at the edges of that table.
If the kid hits his head, we got to.
That's the part.
If we can change the lens and the lens changes, by the way, half the battle with what we got in America today is we got some screwed up people with lenses.
We changed the lens, we'd actually get along and have good discourse and good discussions and debates together.
We have the wrong lenses on.
Tom.
You know, it's really interesting about this.
And Pat, you and I were in L.A., and there was a really amazing haircutter.
He was a celebrity guy.
I think his name was Jose Heber.
You may someone be able to look it up.
No, nothing.
I'm just waiting on my tea over here.
Oh, okay, go ahead.
I thought he's a celebrity.
I don't know.
He doesn't get what he wants.
I don't get my tea.
We're going to cancel the whole show.
We just had the secret tea delivery.
Jose Iber.
Jose Iber, I think it was his name.
But he used to wear a white cowboy hat, and he had this huge brand.
And what he did was he realized that having all these celebrity clients wasn't the path to making money.
And my understanding was he used himself as the branded magnet, and he hired really good stylists.
And so he turned it into a business where he always had his chairs full and he brought great people in that want to be associated with him.
And he was doing high-end celebrity and then a lot of wealthy people and Beverly Hills.
I always had a lot of respect for that.
I said, wow, he's kind of figured this out: that he can only do so many haircuts, but he's the magnet.
You know what I'm saying?
He's the magnet.
And so you look at it.
So you use your personality to draw on the traffic.
That's a business model some guys are doing.
No, that's exactly right.
And this guy, I don't know if somebody can look it up, but he was very successful in LA and he was very well known.
People would go from the valley from Chatsworth.
How did you spell his last name?
It was, I can say it, and I'm probably butchering it, but it was Jose Hebert, like H-E-B-E-R-T, or something like that.
But he had a cowboy hat, he had long hair.
Sounds good.
He was very slick.
So if you're in LA, go check out Joseber.
He may be retired by now, but you know.
Was that like 40 years ago, 30 years ago?
No, it's back when I was in high school, 72 years ago.
Years ago.
Okay, so Bitcoin had a rough week.
Is that fair to say?
I think we get right into Bitcoin to see what happened with Bitcoin.
Last seven days have not been the best seven days for Bitcoin.
A lot of things have been going on with them.
The cryptocurrency market suffered a sharp sell-off on Wednesday.
Its value has now tumbled by 47% in the last 10 days.
The market cap for global digital currencies came in at $1.35 trillion on Wednesday, down from a peak of $2.56 trillion on May 12th.
The most recent plunge was triggered by the People of the Bank of China's announcement that digital tokens can't be used as a form of payment by financial institutions.
Bitcoin at one point fell as much as 31% to $30,000, while Ethereum slipped by 44% to $1,900.
Bitcoin still hasn't recovered from Elon Musk's climate-related concerns over its mining process, which sent shockwaves across the digital asset ecosystem.
However, having said that, having said that, today, today, I think Bitcoin is back up what?
Bitcoin is backed up 21%.
Ethereum's back up.
So they're making some kind of a progress.
Ethereum almost at an all-time high.
Wasn't there all-time high-speed high?
2,800, and they're like, what, 2,650 or something this morning?
No, I don't know where they're at right now, but all I know is it dropped to all-time the last seven days, it dropped to 1918.
And I think at the peak, it was 3,300.
I think 3,300 was a number.
The audience will come.
What are your thoughts about what's going on?
I think distribution is at play here.
If you have distribution, you've got places to sell.
And what China just said, sorry, we're closing the market, so no consumers.
So therefore, they lose distribution.
And, you know, when you have outlets, you have everything.
Remember in the beginning when Dish Network and Tesla and people said we're going to take Bitcoin?
Now you've got distribution.
You've got, you know, this is why Diner's Club.
What's Diner's Club?
It's a dead credit card, right?
American Express, you know, the sticker on the window.
American Express accepted here, MasterCard Visa.
That was the war in credit cards going through the 80s.
And distribution was everything.
And what's happening right now, crypto is going down because if there's not outlets that'll accept it, the value, the relative value is going to go down in terms of, you know, spendability.
And so I think China and, oh, also Tesla said, hang on a second, we're not going to take Bitcoin for a while.
Maybe it's power reasons.
But I think there's a lot of distribution.
If it's available and trading and it's in your PayPal, it's in your Coinbase and you can use it anywhere, it's got more value.
And I think what they have this week is a social thing on the mining and the electricity, but also on distribution.
China saying, made in China, don't use your Bitcoin.
Adam, what do you think?
Well, I agree with Tom.
There's two major stories that moved the markets this week.
Number one was China, for sure.
Everything you just said about basically their not being able to make payments.
And then number two, obviously we've touched on this with Elon Musk, everything that he did since his SNL appearance, everything that he did to basically dismantle the belief in Dogecoin, everything.
But I think this is good.
I think this is good to have a shakeup in the market like this because there's basically two types of people.
There's the hodlers that have been holding Bitcoin since 2012, 2015, 2017.
Whenever they got in, they've been holding.
And then there's the speculators who have been just kind of, you know, along for the ride.
And if you've got in basically this year, because think about it, and you've touched on this the last time we spoke, how many people got a stimulus check and pumped it right into the markets or Bitcoin or surveys, right?
So when all you know is up and nothing, you know, you bought in at 15 or 20 and you got it to 60 and you put in 10 grand and now you got 50 grand, whatever the number is.
You think this is a magical Bitcoin ride, like an Aladdin magic carpet ride.
But the reality is markets go up, markets go down, assets go up, assets go down.
So it's basically a lesson of how much you can stomach.
So I did an episode on Bitcoin when it reached the trillion dollar market cap about basically what the big boys are doing.
You know, FTM, follow the money.
What are the big boys doing?
Tesla at the time and other companies in that realm were putting 3% to 8% of their cash reserves into crypto.
Okay, cool.
So use that as an example to set for yourself.
As a marker.
As a marker.
All right.
So the big boys are getting five bucks.
I'm going to have to put 30 to 80 grand.
Cool, whatever.
But I did interview a bunch of people at a crypto conference.
I'm 99% crypto.
I'm all in on crypto.
I don't use cash anymore.
Okay.
Well, I hope you can stomach a 40% drop, a 30% drop, a 20% drop in a week.
So it's basically...
For 22, what is a 22 you're worried about?
If you're 25, yeah.
If you're 45 with kids, with a family, and you're 99% crypto, it's a gamble.
And it's a pretty big gamble.
Well, you know this.
Everything when it comes to investments comes down to asset allocation.
By the way, somebody just said Ethereum was at 40.
I want to be very accurate here, folks.
We said 3,300.
Tom threw me off.
The highest Ethereum's been is.
Let me look.
It says 4,300.
So continue.
You were saying.
No, basically, you know, you worked, what was your first job when 9-11?
You were with Morgan Stanley.
Morgan Stanley.
Okay, gotcha.
So you started off in the investment.
$4,165, all-time high.
They teach you about asset allocation and a diversified portfolio and the 80-20, you know, balanced portfolio, 80% stocks, 20% bonds, whatever it is.
And then there's the three-fund portfolio where you've got, you know, your S ⁇ P and then you've got your international and then you've got your bonds, what have you.
In my opinion, crypto does need to be a part of your portfolio at this point.
And it's just about how much you can stomach.
So for me, 5% is my number, right?
Cool.
I'll put in this.
I'll put in that.
But for the most part, I'm all in on the S ⁇ P and what have you.
So you just got to ask yourself, how much are you willing to stomach with this crypto ride?
Because it was at 60 grand, now it's at 30 grand.
This is all within a month or two.
But I think one thing for sure that you said this the other day.
Is blockchain here to stay?
Yes.
It's not going away.
Is Bitcoin here to stay?
Yes.
Are NFTs here to stay?
Yes.
It's just establishing the market value of these things.
Yeah, the price point.
The real argument that is made sometimes, is it an investment if it's a currency?
Is it something that you put in and you say, hey, this is a form of an investment or a currency?
It's a different topic there, right?
If a currency is being treated like a stock, it's kind of weird if a currency is being treated like a stock that, hey, I'm going to invest into.
You don't say, I'm going to invest into, I understand there is a foreign currency, folks.
I get Forex people are big, but Forex guys don't make 350% in the last 12 months.
You don't hear a number like that, right?
If you do, it's typically you're a little bit lucky and some stuff you got going on.
That's the only challenge you see with this.
By the way, the other day, Edward Snowden, I don't know if you saw what he said.
He said the best thing they could do for Bitcoin is to keep it private, not keep it public.
That's what it was built for.
It wasn't built to be public.
It was built to be private.
And to him, he says, I'm a holder.
I have crypto.
I'm in with this.
I'm part of the group, but I don't like the fact that it's public.
I want it to be private.
Why is he saying that?
Actually, go to why he's saying that.
Maybe long term he's worried about regulation.
Maybe long term he's sitting there saying, man, the more.
Yeah, yeah, you're sitting there saying, dude, this was created not for me to be a billionaire.
This was created for me to be private, for me to keep my life private.
Now everything is public.
Everybody can find it.
I don't want it to be public.
I want it to be private.
So there's, there's, and when an Edward Snowden says something like that, I mean, the guy's got to actually pay attention.
People kind of pay attention to it.
So my biggest concern has been the same.
It's not changed.
You're just seeing how volatile it is.
And quite frankly, for those guys that are going long on it, if you dollar cost average at 30,000 goes back to 64,000 just doubled.
If you believe in dollar cost averaging.
If you don't, you're part of another community that's anti-Bitcoin.
You're sitting there saying, I told you so.
I told you so.
Everyone has, at this point, for the last quarter, everyone can say, I told you so.
If you're on the I love Bitcoin.
But to be honest with you, more that I told you so is for the people that are in the crypto community.
Oh, totally agree.
Yeah, and I'm totally agree.
And I'm not part of that community.
I'm not part of that community.
I'm right in the middle.
I have very little in it, right?
But I'm right in the middle.
But I respect their opinion and how they are true believers in what they're doing.
So we're going to see what's going to happen with that.
Totally agree, Pat.
For the last six months, the crypto guys could sit back and be like, ha, I told you so.
But for the last week or two, the people, you know, the Peter Schiffs of the world who are like, no way, this is crazy.
This is too volatile.
This is speculative.
They can kind of say, I told you so.
Quick shout out to Eddie89, just gave 50 bucks.
He sent me a message saying, man, I want to give you, I want you to wish a happy birthday to my friend George from Australia for Sunday from Rameen Edgar and Sergon.
Hey at PBD, my man, happy birthday to you, George.
I wish you nothing but the very best.
Anyway, so let's talk about some UFOs.
You okay with that?
Oh, my God.
Let's talk about some UFOs because it's been, Tom was begging.
He says, Pat, we have to talk about UFOs.
Thank you.
And so let's get right into it.
So here we go.
UFOs as an us and explanatory.
UFOs us an explanation.
UFO uses.
Us, yeah, an explanation.
I see what they did.
Time twister right there.
And you know who did that?
That's Tom Zenner did that.
Senator Marco Rubio told 60.
Senator Marco Rubio told 60 Minutes the UFO is real and the Pentagon needs to investigate.
This is a VT Post story.
Sunday night, Florida Senator Marco Rubio went on 60 Minutes and said there have been enough credible sightings lately to warn some explanations and a full-fledged investigation by Congress.
Rubio is the head of the Senate Intelligence Committee.
So not only is he privy to classified info, what's going on, he is also in a position to help do something to try to figure out what these space vessels are doing here.
The point Rubio made on 60 Minutes was Tases flying objects are a serious risk to national security.
Rubio demanded that the Pentagon prepare a report on what they know about the UFOs and report should be available within a month.
Anyways, did you guys see the video the other day?
Like a bunch of videos coming out and pilots saying, look, I don't want to talk about it.
I'm not somebody that wants to go on television.
But I tell you, we've seen some weird things out there.
Where are you at with UFOs, Tom?
You and I have never had this conversation before.
When you got blasted up to space and the aliens did the probe to you, what were your first thoughts?
No, the way started.
Speaking of UFOs, I got to get a show.
This is Caroline.
This tea is out of this world.
Really?
Thank you.
There you go.
I appreciate that.
Respect.
Hey, that's very nice.
UFOs and out of this world.
Very good.
So you've got to.
See what I did there.
All right.
Tell us about the probe.
Go ahead.
So what you did.
No, no, no.
This is crazy.
This reminds me of a sound.
Tom.
We're joking.
We're messing.
It's like a South Park episode where Kartman ended up with a satellite disc coming out of his butt.
Remember that?
I think something bad happened up there to me.
All right, Tom.
But here's what I think.
There are too many videos out there that are really credible.
The Navy guys in San Diego, and you've got the pilots, you've got the recording of the pilots talking.
And there was something going on down there.
They talked about the Tic Tac.
There was a Tic-Tac shape.
And it just disappeared.
One underwater.
Yeah, or something.
And they actually saw a surface disturbance.
So, I don't know.
Tom, do you believe in UFOs or no?
That's your question.
Everybody wants to know this.
Does the BizDoc believe in UFOs?
Is he going to do a case study on UFOs?
I don't think I believe in these elaborate civilizations that are living under the crust of the earth.
No.
Or living underwater.
But I believe that there's something out there that's moving pretty quickly and there's some sort of phenomena.
And is it defense phenomena?
And one part of the defense isn't talking to the other part of the Defense Department about what they're doing?
I don't know.
I think it's a little creepy.
And I can't explain what I've seen.
And you've got so many videos that it's not guys at home using Final Cut Pro to make something really kind of weird and interesting.
I mean, they're showing it on Today, on History Channel, on Fox, on CNN, on MSNBC, that this thing goes up, boom, goes underwater, boom, boom, boom, just moving really quick.
So they interviewed a guy who was with the CIA.
He says, we're not saying it is a UFO.
We're not saying it is.
It's just rap.
Yeah, we're not saying all we're saying is it may even be something used by our enemies.
It could be Russia, it could be China.
They don't know what it is.
All I'm asking you, Tom, you, specifically you, this is on the record.
Your kids are watching right now.
Yes.
Brooke and Bailey are in school.
They're ditching school just to watch you on the podcast here right now.
That would happen.
That would happen.
So do you believe somewhere out there there's UFOs?
I believe there are UFOs, but I'm not, I don't believe in some other civilization someplace.
You don't.
So you don't believe there's an exactly duplicate of Earth somewhere else out there in the space.
Well, if there is, I want to go find the me that's out there and ask him if he's in trouble with his wife, too.
So how about you?
No, I'm not, no, no one's civilizations, but yes, that there's phenomenas and these things that are flying.
There's something real.
Here's what I trust in.
Okay.
Here's what I trust in.
Here's what I trust in.
Okay.
I trust in math.
And what I mean by math is the fact that if math tells us how much stuff is out there that we haven't yet done research on, math is probably leaning towards the fact that there's probably civilization out there.
There's probably aliens out there.
Math.
I'm a math guy.
Math is leaning towards there's got to be something out there.
What that is, I have no idea.
But there's definitely got to be something out there if you think about math.
So you know how underwater.
You ever seen the movie Megalodon?
I don't know if you ever seen the movie.
Yeah, with the ridiculous shark.
So what's more real?
You believe more a megalodon exists or UFOs exist, Tom?
Megalodons or UFOs?
Folks, if you're listening to this, Megalodon.
Today, though, today, not years ago.
No, Megalodon.
Today.
Do we have a Megalodon today?
Yes.
Or do we have UFOs today?
No, I don't think so.
I don't think there's a Loch Nest monster.
I don't think there's a Megalodon.
You don't believe there's a Megalodon?
No, not down there.
You believe there's more than an alien, yes.
Do you believe there's a megalodon?
Yes, megalodon.
You believe there's a megalodon.
Sam doesn't Kai.
Is there a megalodon?
I didn't know.
There's some sort of creatures like that.
I don't know specifically if like a megalodon.
I'm talking megalodon, like a gigantic, bigger than one of these whale sharks that could eat a whale shark if it wanted to.
It's massive.
60 feet, 100 feet shallow.
I think that's more likely than aliens coming from the fire.
At the depths of the ocean, I wouldn't underestimate it.
So you think there's more likely?
What are you going with?
You think there's more.
You're a math guy, so what's the math on this?
Well, it's a lot easier to go a few miles underwater than it is to go millions of miles in space.
Okay.
Which means if we have a few thousand miles to go underwater, whatever couple thousand, you know, how deep is the deepest part of the ocean?
The Marianas Trench is the deepest part of the earth.
How deep is it?
I thought it was like the inverse of Everest.
Kai, look this up.
I thought it was like 35,000 feet, the exact inverse of Everest.
So by the way, it's pitch black down there.
Sure, it is.
The fish even got like light bulbs coming off their head.
The deepest.
Mariannis Trench.
Deeper than the abyss.
How deep is it?
2,500 kilometers in length, 69 meters.
Yeah, there it is.
Minus 36.
Yeah, I thought it was.
That's pretty damn deep.
Yeah, and how big is it?
11,000 meters deep.
Yeah, 36,000 feet.
Tom, what is that in miles?
Well, mile is 5280, so it's almost closing in on seven miles.
Seven miles deep.
Okay, so here's the thing.
Just think about it.
Okay, now go and see how deep is the space.
Like, how far can the space go?
You know what that is?
Infinity.
That's the point.
So if the space.
How far is the atmosphere of the.
How much does ocean has been discovered?
Okay.
Leave it unexplored.
Yeah.
Approximately 5% of the ocean has been discovered.
It leaves 95% of the ocean on the side.
Okay, I get it, but what?
That's ridiculous.
Okay, now go look at, do the same thing with space.
99.999.
So if I'm not going to be able to do that.
You're basically saying you believe in aliens versus the megalodons.
No, what I'm trying to say is it's a lot easier to find out if we have a megalodon because you're dealing with whatever few miles versus it's mathematically very...
Can you pull it up, Kai, or no?
It's mathematically extremely challenging to find out what is in space that's infinity.
How do you find that infinity?
You can't.
So I'm going to say, I'm going to lean towards only, we've only explored roughly 5% of the ocean.
Yeah, and then we've explored an infinitely smaller percentage of space.
So I'm going to say there's more likelihood to be aliens than a megalodon.
That's what I'm banking on.
What are the odds in Vegas, by the way?
What are the odds in Vegas?
Is Vegas saying Megalodon?
I think you just did it right here.
You've got this.
Yeah, okay.
So to me, I think, you know, I think there are some UFOs out there.
I don't know what's going to happen with that.
I have some thoughts on this.
Say what they do.
Okay, so number one, why every time that they see, okay, number one, I think it's important to establish that a UFO is an unidentified flying object.
Just because it's a UFO doesn't mean it's an alien.
It's just something that they don't know what it is.
It's unidentified.
It could be a drone.
It could be a plane.
It could be a hot air balloon.
It could be, you know, a megalodon that's flying.
Who knows what's going on?
It's a UFO.
It's unidentified.
Number two, why every time that there's quote-unquote footage of this stuff, it looks like your nanny cam that's in your baby's bedroom that you can prepare.
It's 10 years ago and it's a little bit more.
Exactly.
Why is it always something you can't, so there was one pilot who said, yeah, I went up there every day I saw something.
Every day.
This was a big 60-minute.
So you went up there every day.
You saw a UFO.
You didn't want to bring a dope camera with you.
You didn't want to let anybody know.
You just kind of kept this, your little secret every day.
No, I don't know.
And then the last thing, how I know for a fact there's no aliens, there's no UFOs.
Because when you become president of the United States, they tell you all the secrets.
Nah, give it up.
And you know, if they told Trump there's an aliens, that mothsucker is telling people, oh, I know there's aliens.
He can't keep a secret.
First of all.
I really believe that.
Yes.
Do you?
No, no, no, no.
I really believe that he's going to just run his mouth.
You know what, the other day, I had a Mike Baker on.
Mike Baker is a former CIA agent.
His interview is going to go live here soon.
We had a good conversation to get.
You know what I asked him?
I said, how long is a CIA agent a CIA agent?
He said, oh, it depends.
20, 30 years, 40 years?
Sure.
How long is a president or president?
Four years, maybe eight years.
If you're FDR, maybe 16 years, 13 years, right?
Not anymore.
Not anymore.
But you know what I'm saying is four to eight years.
But a CI agent, 20, 30 years.
I said, do you think when the president becomes a president, they tell him everything?
Do you think the person that knows everything about everything that's ever happened in the history of America that's kept secret, say, Area 51, you think they will tell the president everything?
I don't believe that.
I don't believe you're a person sitting here.
You've been doing it for 32 years.
You know stuff that 99.9999% of the world doesn't know.
And you get a new guy who is an entrepreneur, a one-term senator, a guy that likes to rub people's back, okay, who becomes a president, a guy that is a smooth talker from Arkansas, a guy that's, you know, very— What's wrong with Arkansas?
Yeah, what's— You're saying that they don't tell the president.
Do you think they're going to tell the president?
Who goes to the press?
Let me ask you a question.
What is the track record of any president that's been able to keep every secret to themselves?
What's the track record of a president who's extremely ambitious, who's extremely competitive, to reveal an information to him that he's going to be able to keep it to himself?
You don't think a president's going to sit there and say, let me tell you what I just found out today.
Let me tell you something, too.
I was just in Area 51.
Dude, I saw three-headed UFOs who were.
Ridiculous.
I took a picture.
Check this out.
I told the guy, take a picture.
I'll take a picture with you.
So he took a picture with the UFO.
You're taking selfies with aliens?
I don't think.
I don't think presidents know everything.
I'm telling you, I don't think presidents know everything.
I don't know who the person, I asked the guy said, who is the person that knows everything?
He says, I don't know.
There's got to be.
I would say that's pretty true because I couldn't even keep everything from Hillary.
Someone's always telling her stuff.
That's right.
I was in hot water all the time.
Clinton?
There you go.
That was actually a pretty good Clinton.
I'm my guy.
I'm a Clinton guy.
That's right.
So yeah, I don't know.
I don't know if they told Trump everything.
You think they told Trump everything?
Can you imagine?
Well, if they did, that secret would be the cats out the back.
No way in the world.
They say everything.
There is no way in the world.
You think Trump would have used the information he knew to threaten them?
Hey, look, you know, this has been going back since Kennedy, and we'll stay away from conspiracies and stuff.
But JFK said that he was very concerned about the clandestine side of the CIA because it was this inherently super secret part of the U.S. government that was set aside from Congress, and it was set aside from the president.
It was set aside from Senate.
Senate declares war.
Congress makes budget.
President leads a nation with vision and certain legislative agendas with it.
And so he was pointing out, here we are, this is the checks and balances, the bicameral system of government.
And we have a Supreme Court to help keep us all honest when the big arguments break out.
Meanwhile, over here on the other side of the Defense Department, you've got the clandestine CIA.
And it was JFK that said this is bad.
And so I'm with Pat.
Not only do they not tell the president, they don't tell them anything.
They don't tell them specifically.
I don't think it's a good strategy to tell the president.
I don't think so either.
I don't think it's to me.
No, I'm backing you up and saying JFK was dangerous.
By the way, somebody said Trump started Star Force.
Let me give credit to the person that is.
I'd love to get our audience together.
No, this guy wrote Star Force.
He says, didn't Trump create Star Force?
Nothing for us.
Because he's Space Force.
Okay, go ahead.
Sorry.
Yeah, if you're listening, I'm actually curious.
Go ahead, Adam.
I'm curious.
No, I want to see what our audience has to say.
Do they believe in aliens or not?
Yeah.
If you believe aliens exist, press thumbs up.
If you think they don't exist, press thumbs down.
Like, let's just say, if you're part of the Megalodon community, put thumbs down.
If you're part of the UFO community, put thumbs up.
But here's a question.
I'm talking to Chief Disguise Officer, Joan Amendes, okay?
And what Joan Amendez did is she would make a mask looking like you and walking and sitting right next to President Bush.
And President Bush would think Adam is in and it looks identical to you.
And there's even a picture of her doing that.
A mask of who?
A mask of anybody's face.
Prosthetics.
She did.
She was a chief disguise officer of the CIA.
That was her job.
What a job to have.
Exactly.
Wow.
28 years.
Her and her husband, by the way.
Okay?
I said, do you guys even trust each other if you're married to each other?
He's 32 years, you're 28 years.
They trust each other.
Exactly.
That's what it is.
Can you be that Paulina Parliament or whatever?
Can you be that girl?
So I asked the question.
I asked the question.
I said, so here's a question for you.
He says, what's that?
What are the great qualities of a CI agent?
Greatest CI agent ever.
What are great qualities of a CI agent?
She said, it's very simple.
Very charming.
Great salespeople.
Wow.
Incredible with people.
They know how to get you to like them.
You'll love them.
They're extremely ambitious.
But there's one thing they have that the rest of the world doesn't have.
I said, what's that?
When they discover what Osama bin Laden did and they saved the world, when they go get intel from Russia or China, and it was because of them that they saved the world, they don't need any recognition.
They're not looking for glory.
They don't need any recognition.
I feel like that's a good idea.
That's what made a great CI agent because they don't go and say, hey, babe, you won't even believe what I did tonight.
So you know this guy named Osama.
By the way, we met on Osama the other day, two nights ago, three nights ago, if you remember that, right?
So you know this guy named Osama?
Yeah, so I kind of stopped the whole thing tonight.
No, you did.
Like imagine, you made a girl at the bar.
So what do you do for a living?
I work at this accounting firm.
I'm one of the accountants there.
How about yourself?
What do you do?
I kind of took out this guy named Osama.
That's right.
Land a helicopter in his backyard, walk him upstairs, aired him out.
So you need to do construction.
You need to be a charismatic, a people person.
Like you.
But you're not looking for the attention minus recognition.
Okay, yeah.
That's a problem for you.
Yeah, I mean, just tag me in a photo.
I don't care what you say.
That's all I need.
Tag me in a photo.
But that's very interesting.
Yeah, so the point I'm trying to make to you is, what is a president's DNA?
A president wants what?
They want the recognition.
They need votes recognition.
The opposite.
Why would you tell the president everything you shouldn't?
I wanted to be a guy.
You ever met these guys that you talk to and they don't say nothing, but they remember everything you say.
They'll sit in a room and they'll just go, boom.
You'll never catch them doing something like this.
They never do this.
They're just focused.
They sit.
And they're like, they're looking at everybody like this.
They don't blame.
What is the matter with this guy, right?
But their computer right here.
Okay, you said that.
No problem.
Got it.
What does this guy say?
Still seven.
Two hours later.
Now one word has come out.
They're the smartest person in the room, right?
That guy.
Those people weird me out.
That's the guy that needs to know everything.
That's the guy that works for the CIA for 33 years, that has no aspirations of being a Comey, no aspirations on being on TV, no aspirations of doing anything like that.
That's the person.
What motivates that type of person?
No, it's a DNA.
It's a wiring.
It's not about motivation.
It's just, that is who I am.
It's a wiring.
No one can make you be like that.
I can't make her be like that, him be like that, Tom be like that.
You're either like that or you're not like that.
It's purely a DNA part.
So all this stuff you read about what the president, the day you get, you know, voted in, they tell you everything.
They don't tell you.
Okay, stand corrected.
I don't know.
This is not Disney's Book of Secrets.
They go to that little leather book upstairs.
But if you are the president, you're going to say, dude, just let me know right now.
There's aliens or there's no aliens.
I got to know.
You're going to ask that question.
Sorry, we can't tell you.
I'm sorry.
Didn't Obama say that?
Didn't he?
You got an Obama?
No, Bush got an interview with Jimmy Kimmel.
And Jimmy Kimmel asked him about the question.
But this week Obama said something about it, right, didn't he?
Said something about what?
UFOs.
He said something about Trump this week in a book.
I don't know if you saw that.
He said he loved it on mothsucker.
Did you actually?
Do we have that as a story, Kai, or no?
Boy, he dropped down into...
Kai, do we have that as a story or no?
Can you put that up?
Obama-Trump book.
No, but Bush was being interviewed by Kimmel.
And Kimmel asked him a question and says, let me ask you a question.
When you become a president, do they take you into Area 51 and tell you all the dark secrets, JFK, all that stuff, what happened?
He says, yes.
Are you willing to reveal any of it with us?
No.
So he did say that he was.
He said yes, and then he said no.
Okay, so what was all that?
No secrets talk.
But do you really think you're going to tell them everything?
Do you really think they're going to tell the president?
Do you think that's a good business strategy?
Let's play a game.
Let's play a game.
Well, Bush could just walk down the hall, talk to his dad back then when his dad was alive.
Director of the CIA.
Yeah.
But for many years, it's like, hey, dad, you know, did you really install Chipanze as the president of Honduras?
Yeah, but that was just for fun.
That was just kind of a weird weekend thing with the CIA.
You know, he says, dad's going to tell him everything.
Go ahead.
The old daddy approach.
Go ahead.
You were going to say.
Let's say you become president.
PBD.
President PBD.
All right.
Hypothetical.
You're elected.
You're a two-term president.
Beloved.
You're telling me that you wouldn't go into Area 51, you wouldn't go into the CIA and say, I want to know about this.
Tell me this.
You wouldn't ask, is what I'm saying.
Oh, there's no way in the world I'm not asking.
I've never told you I'm not asking, but I'm telling you.
I'm saying they might not tell you.
I am telling you, it's not a good business model to tell.
The only people that ought to know, the only people that ought to know is not our kind of regimes.
It's a regime like UK, Britain, that the same person is going to lead for 40 years, 30 years.
Not our model.
With the high turnover, the attrition.
And here's why not our model.
You want a guy to know something who leaves.
The next guy comes and trashes him for eight years, hurts his legacy, and that guy is going to go and use that against the other politicians inside to say, I swear to God, if he says anything, I'm going to disclose this information.
You don't think that kind of negotiations happens behind closed doors?
No, there's certainly.
It's too volatile.
I'm with you.
There's no way in the world it's a good strategy to tell presidents everything.
No, it's just correct.
And remember, we all, the first week of any presidency is retaliation politics, right?
What is every new president for the last four new presidents, and it's not a Republican or Democrat thing, we've had two Democrats, two Republicans, right?
What do they do?
They issue executive orders, and then we're all looking at CNN saying, how many executive orders did Biden issue versus Trump versus Obama versus Bush?
And all these executive orders come out, which is basically undo this, undo that, undo this, redo this, prohibit this, enable this.
And executive orders are flying off the shelves.
And so that the first move is to use the executive order to bypass legislative process on both sides.
So you have retaliation politics and stuff.
I'm with Pat.
You don't tell those cats a lot of this stuff because it's an impulsive, attention-based world.
You know what's really interesting?
Hollywood did a reasonable job with it.
There's a great book out called Charlie Wilson's War about the true story.
Wasn't it a movie?
Yeah.
I think Tom Hanks is in that.
Yeah, and Julia Roberts.
It's a great story.
Hollywood did it.
It was an entertaining Hollywood movie, but the book clearly showed, and there was a lot of people that commented on the book that said, no, this is the way it happens.
So watch the movie with some popcorn.
Enjoy it, folks.
But then go read the book and you understand what the clandestine services group of our government is all about.
And, you know, I thought it was very interesting that a lot of people weighed in and said, hey, this book was written by Charlie Wilson.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But there's a bunch of things in here that are very accurate for the way that groups within your government have congressional hearings and do secret stuff.
And so I don't want the new president to know everything.
There's a lot of stuff that I think.
That's a risk.
You don't want that.
You don't, by the way, 130 people believe 130 people press thumbs up versus 11.
So your Megalodon community, it's 11.
The UFO community, 130.
So that many people believe in that.
You've been watching Meg too many times with Jason Statum.
I think that you take off one week and go back to your favorite.
Come and see, Meg.
Go back to your usual.
So let's talk about the story.
This whole thing with Michael.
Oh, okay.
Can I say last thing?
Yeah, go for it.
That just shows how desensitized we are.
Oh, breaking news.
There's aliens.
All right, cool.
Like, did you check out my latest Instagram post, though?
Like, that's how desensitized we are to aliens.
Oh, yeah, there's aliens.
It's cool.
They were here.
What do you mean desensitized?
Meaning, yeah, it's here.
It's a part of it.
I believe in aliens.
They were here.
There's UFOs.
It's no big deal.
All right, cool.
What's up?
What's on TV tonight?
You see what happened in the Lakers game?
Yeah, aliens.
Where you think it ought to be on everybody's life?
There's aliens.
This is sort of a bigger deal than what happened in the Lakers game last night, in my opinion.
What a direct call out.
You freaking guys.
Yeah, you're telling me it's more important than a Lakers highlighted last night.
Shame on you.
The basketball community is very disappointed in you right now.
Anyways, going back to, it sounds like you're a little bit worried right now.
I'm getting a feeling that you're a little bit concerned about the aliens?
Yeah, maybe life is going to be safe or not for you.
Is there an element of how desensitized we are?
Okay, so you're talking about more desensitized.
It's going to be all right, Adam.
We're going to figure this thing out.
It's going to be okay.
Okay, let's pull up the story.
Let's pull up the story.
So this story of Guardian, U.S. officials confirms 130 incidents of mysterious Havana syndrome brain.
If we can flip it so people can see the article as well.
So if you want to go a little higher, U.S. diplomats, spies, and defense officials have reported serious symptoms, and some within the past few weeks, there are more than 330 incidents of unexplained brain injury known as Havana syndrome among U.S. diplomats, spies, and defense officials.
Some of them within the past few weeks, it has been reported.
The New York Times said three CIA officers had reported serious symptoms since December following overseas assignments, requiring outpatient treatment at the Walter Reed Military Hospital in Washington.
One episode was within the last two weeks.
The reported number of cases is about 70 more than have previously been acknowledged.
Mark Zedd, who represents some former official afflicted by Havana syndrome, said he had been contracted by more people who believed they had been affected by it.
The numbers are definitely increasing.
He said the U.S. officials confirmed that there continue to be fresh cases under review that have cautioned that the publicity given to previous Havana syndrome cases.
Okay, so go a little lower to see what else is down there.
Anything down there?
Go a little lower.
The evidence for microwave effects of the type of categorized as Havana syndrome is exceedingly weak.
Roll for Road of Foreign Policy.
No proponent of the idea has outlined how the weapon would actually work.
No evidence has been offered that such a weapon has been developed by any nation.
Extraordinary claims required extraordinary evidence, and no evidence has been offered to support the existence of this mysterious weapon.
Okay?
Interesting.
You think these weapons are being used, Tom?
So there's two things in this article here.
One is you've got a bunch of very professional people being examined at Walter Reed by some very good doctors that say something definitely happened to me.
The second half of this article is the evidence for a microwave weapon is not there.
So, okay, so maybe it's not a microwave weapon.
But the point is there's something going on that is a different form of device or technology, or maybe it's just, you know, the remember the.
Can I pull up the Fox News story?
You had a couple guys in Russia that died when, you know, KGB operatives just sprayed them with, you know, polonium, plutonium that's atomized and gave them radiation sickness and killed them over time.
So these folks are talking about Havana syndrome.
I think there's people there that are really sick.
I think it's not a coincidence that it happened at a government building.
Is it a microwave weapon?
I don't know.
But these people got really, really sick.
And I think there's advancing technologies out there in the spy community to kind of neutralize each other.
Why is it called the Havana syndrome?
Because it was at the U.S., was it the embassy outpost or the intelligence building in Cuba?
In Cuba.
Havana's in Cuba, which is south of Key West.
I've been there.
Have you ever been?
South America.
I've never, no, I've not been to Havana.
Stand corrected, sir.
How far is Key West from 90 miles?
There you go.
Welcome to Florida.
Republican.
Took the picture.
Republican and Democratic lawmakers are demanding answers about who is responsible for a growing consensus of experts believed our target attacks on U.S. diplomats.
Kai, can you pay attention to pull that up, please?
And national security officials using pulse microwave energy that many now believe was used as a weapon to harm American citizens.
In December 2017, I made, which now is kind of the fateful trip to Moscow, explained Mark, a 26-year-old veteran of the CIA, who was forced to retire as a CIA's official for clandestine operations in Europe after suffering a mysterious traumatic brain injury and debilitating side effects following the trip to Moscow in 2017.
Go a little lower to see what else he says.
Keep going, keep going.
I woke up in the middle of the night with an incredible case of vertigo of 10, 10, what is that?
How do you pronounce that, Tom?
Tinnitus.
Tinnitus.
Ringing in the ears.
Which is ringing in the ears.
I was falling over.
I was nauseated.
There was no mistake that something really, really terrifying happened that night in Moscow.
I had been in Afghanistan.
I spent some time in Iraq.
This was the most terrifying experience of my life.
Okay.
And it goes up, see if he says anything else as you go lower.
Decei Everensa was a Marriott New York Embassy when he was attacked.
He has some of the symptoms described by 40 diplomats in Havana, serving at the U.S. Embassy and dozens of U.S. diplomats serving in China, who in 2016 began experiencing extreme vertical nausea, sometimes followed by a loud piercing sound that experts now believe was the result of directed radio frequency energy in the form of microwave.
And by the way, this is not a Republican thing or a Democratic thing.
Both CNN and Fox were talking about it, and both Democrats and Republicans are saying, can we look into this?
I think there's three main points here, just to break this down.
Number one, is Russia shady?
Yes.
Number two, does Russia do things to poison people and do Havana-like syndrome episodes?
Yes.
Number three, remember the, I remember in the 80s, my mom would say, don't stand in front of the microwave.
Boom, that's the final thing.
Maybe you shouldn't stand in front of the microwave.
I don't know how this is happening, but you put your cup of coffee in there, you keep it moving, you show, you know, like for instance, and they're all mounted above your eyes.
Our friend Caroline close to your head.
Our friend Caroline just warmed up this tea.
I don't know.
I'm not feeling so good right now, but hopefully we're all right.
Maybe she did a service.
But I think, isn't the point here?
Russia does some shady ass shit and everything all, you know, anything.
Is that what the SAS stands for?
Yeah, exactly.
Method of weapons have changed dramatically, man.
Like the days of, you know, when I was speaking to Mike Baker, I said, Mike, how do you change this up?
He said, change the method of military budget that we have.
We're spending too much money on weapons that you're not going to use for war.
You're just not going to use for war.
We have to spend more money of our budget.
Say trillion dollars of our budget needs to be spent towards like bio-warfare intelligence, learning about these types of attacks that are happening.
You know, the cyber warfare.
We're not prepared for that.
That's kind of what he was talking about.
So I don't know.
It makes you really good.
Maybe fund a lab in Wuhan that could work on a virus.
Oh, you see what he did there?
Okay, Yujitam.
You said you just 11 minutes ago said conspiracy JFK and you went to a different direction and then you just dropped something like that.
You went to Wuhan's conspiracy, but the point is.
Have you been to Wuhan?
I have not been to Wuhan.
No.
I've been to Havana.
I thought for sure.
I've been to Havana.
But you've not been to Wuhan.
I love the wet market.
Have you ever had raw chipmunk?
Man, tasty.
No, no, the point is, let's assume there's no lab in Wuhan and nothing like there.
But the point is, do you think governments have labs that are experimenting with biological agents that could debilitate armies?
Do you think U.S. relations?
Do you think U.S. relations?
Yes, I think they all do.
I think everybody is.
I think they're all playing in these new realms, exactly what Pat says.
You know, another aircraft carrier, another battleship, another, you know, nuclear rocket that's not going to be launched.
Oh, God, we hope.
But then what are they doing on the other side?
You know, how do you handle big populations?
Poisons, biological agents, you know, interference with power grids.
I mean, and that's the other thing.
What are they investing in?
They're investing in things that don't make people sick, but they're looking at things.
How do we hack in and shut down power grids?
And like somebody has hacked in and shut down part of a gasoline operation system that disrupted part of the East Coast of the United States for energy transport.
Yep.
That's real.
I think you hit the nail on the head, Pat, that things have changed.
So warfare will need to change.
Rather than tanks, maybe you need microwaves or biological warfare.
Things have changed significantly since you were in the Army.
Yeah?
Dramatically.
Oh, yeah, dramatically.
I think one, investing what direction you make your investments in, but also realizing that as you get bigger, you may not even know like a 17-year-old hacker may be an enemy of yours.
It's who you offend right now, man.
You got to be so careful with who you offend right now.
There are so many, though, you may be a 40-year-old guy who's done well for yourself financially.
You could offend the wrong person that knows certain ways to hack into certain things and makes your life a living kill.
It's a complete different ball thing today.
I agree.
So it's not just Russia or China.
The war many people may be playing is a different war than the government may be playing.
It's a complete different game today.
Well, very, very different game being played today.
With that being said, let me put it to you this way.
Let me put it to you this way.
Say you know how to do jiu-jitsu unboxing, MMA.
We go in a street fight, you can 99.9% of people, they go out, a guy comes up to you at the bar, pushes you, punches you in the face, you drop him, and next thing he's on the floor crying and you take out three of his friends.
That makes good for a good video, goes viral on YouTube, takes off, right?
But say you do that to an 18-year-old kid and you talk trash to him and you're the UFC MMA guy.
You know how to fight.
That guy ends up following you.
He finds out who you are.
He finds details about you and he makes your life a living kill and you're wondering what the hell happened.
The UFC, the jiu-jitsu stuff doesn't matter today.
Just like tanks, weapons, M16s, F's, these things don't matter with today's war.
It's just the reality of it.
It's a very low-key China method of attacking versus the look how powerful we are attacking.
It's very different.
Dana White would be very upset to hear that from them.
It's just the truth, though.
It's very difficult.
But here's the thing: who the hell is going to buy a pay-per-view of two hackers going out against each other?
Hello, you know, 17-year-old from Toledo.
Well, Pat, you should apologize to the hackers right now.
I'd like, on behalf of the 172 hackers, you're right.
Don't target us.
We're nice people.
Check this out.
I have your best interest in mind.
Going back to what I was talking about, Charlie Wilson's war, they figured out one thing.
The Afghans did not have better technology than the Russians.
The Russians did.
But they figured out one thing.
If we could give them basic Stinger, all a Stinger is a simple little missile.
You might call it a bazooka, but it was just a missile.
And it shot down helicopters and airplanes.
So it was very, it was not huge, secret, super Star Wars spy tech.
It was just, let's just give them an ability to hide behind the rocks because they didn't march around in big groups or big battalions like the Russians did.
So five Afghans could be behind a rock and knock down a helicopter.
And that's how they eventually chased Russia out of it.
It was low-tech and it was asymmetrical.
You fight this way, we fight this way.
So it's asymmetrical.
And now it's a digital war.
It's an economic war.
The war is being fought so differently.
It's not about war armaments.
And actually, if we break into a conventional, giant conventional bombing and assault war, it's really you're stepping backwards with somebody.
That's not the way the next war will be fought if it happens to be China.
I don't disagree.
By the way, Caleb Box.
Maybe, maybe with Caleb.
He just gave 50 bucks and he said, if there's another Adam in the galaxy, we are all doomed.
That's for sure.
Oh, Caleb.
Yeah, he said that about you.
Caleb took a shot.
I'll remember that, Caleb.
Okay, so next conversation.
Next topic is, yes.
We can't hear you, buddy.
Turn on.
That's Kai's buddy, by the way.
Yeah, Caleb.
One thing that I think is interesting as well is war now, it's not nations against nations.
It could be one rogue, Osama bin Laden, versus a country or this and that and the other.
And also, even going back to the Korean War, is in some ways you can win by just not losing or just not giving up, like the North Korea did in Vietnam as well, where they didn't win.
They just tired out to where America then lost interest in the war, and that led to America losing.
So there's different ways of winning wars.
And especially now when it's not a whole nation versus a whole nation, it's a lot different.
You got to give a shout out to Kai.
I mean, the guy, for fun, reads, you know, Teddy Roosevelt books and Winston Churchill books.
This is where he's getting this stuff from.
He's a strategist.
So thank you, General Lude.
Bank of America will raise its minimum wage to $25 an hour by 2025.
Bank of America, folks, if you're looking for a job by 2025, Bank of America is given $25 an hour jobs, which $25 an hour is a $50,000 a year salary.
So let's read this.
Bank of America said Tuesday that it will raise the hourly minimum wage of its employees by 2025 to $25 an hour.
It costs us a few hundred million dollars a year, but it's an investment.
The bank CEO Brian said it's not the first time Bank of America has raised its minimum wage for its employees.
In 2017, the bank raised its minimum wage to $15 an hour.
Two years later, the company announced it would lift that level to $20 an hour for the upcoming two years.
And so did the schedule now be in with an increase that impacted more than 200,000 workers.
Last month, Biden signed an executive order lifting minimum wage for federal contractors, workers to $15 an hour in early 2022 from the current level of $1095.
Meanwhile, other banks are also raising wages, albeit not as aggressively.
JP Morgan Chase announced 2018 that it would increase its minimum wage from $15 to $18 an hour for 22,000 employees, depending on their local cost of living.
Citigroup raised its minimum wage from $15 an hour to $15 an hour in 2019.
So $25 an hour.
Is Bank of America really raising their minimum wage to $25 an hour?
Or, Tom, are they saying we just want better pool of talent that we're paying for?
We're willing to pay $50,000 an hour, $50,000 a year, because at $50,000 a year, we're going to get a four-year degree.
We're going to get experience.
We're going to get this.
We're going to get that.
And is this a good marketing campaign, Tom, for B of H?
I think it's a populist marketing campaign around the simple phrase $25.
However, what you accurately point out is that there will be talent competing for those jobs.
And by the way, by 2025, the number of humans that are in bank individual branches down the street is dropping.
There's so much all banking is being automated, so much is done online.
I mean, you take a look at that.
You mean operation goes lower because you're not going to be able to do that?
Yeah, so these are going to people, and this is going to be people in headsets and call centers because the corner branches, I mean, they're harder and harder to find.
That's actually a very good question.
Can we ask a question here?
When's the last time you went to a branch?
Last time I went to a branch, it was I was forced to.
And what I was forced to do is gun to your head topic.
No, no, no.
Kim and I raised Kim and I made a transaction and they had to have a bank check.
So I had to go in and get a cashier's check and then FedEx.
Last six months.
How many times have you been in?
That's a better question.
Zero.
Okay, so zero last six months.
If I didn't have to be going and get a cashier's check because we had a large transaction, I wouldn't have gone in.
How about yourself?
All my needs were taken maybe once a quarter.
How many in the last six months have you been in the branch, Caroline?
Zero?
Not even once?
Sam?
Maybe once?
Nothing?
Once?
Zero, Kai?
I mean, Kai, we can't hear you, Kai.
We can't hear you, Kai.
I'm turned on.
Go ahead.
Get it together, Kai.
What's going on over there, buddy?
General.
My bank doesn't even have a branch here.
Damn, my bank don't even have branches.
That's how good my bank is.
Okay, if you're ultimately.
Hang on, let me ask the audience.
I'm actually going to say that.
But the first time you see Helsinki Federal, you'll know that's true.
If you're watching this, in the last six months, how many times have you walked into a branch at a bank?
I'm actually curious.
Comment, we're watching your comments.
Go ahead, Adam.
Go ahead, Tom.
No, so I think this is.
I think this is going to be call centers and basic processors and these large.
50K minimum.
Yep.
And 50K minimum, they're not a bad dude.
It's probably going to be there's going to be a lot of people competing for those $50,000 a year job.
Here's what we did.
If you remember, just five and a half years ago, we're in Texas and we're going through hiring people and tech minimum wage is $720.
One day I sat there and I said, guys, we're not doing this anymore.
Moving forward, we're hiring $15 an hour.
And we started hiring $15 an hour and the quality went in a better direction.
So it's not you're increasing your minimum wage to me.
It's what you're saying is we are willing to pay more money for better employees.
By the way, to the people of the minimum wage community, B of A, what B of A did to the minimum wage community said, whether you like to increase the minimum wage or not, we don't care what you think.
We are willing to pay more for better talent.
So the market has to compete to get these jobs, and then the market has to improve to keep these jobs.
B of A is not saying our minimum wage is going to be this much.
No, B of A is saying we're only looking at hiring people that are worth $50,000 or more.
That's what they're saying.
That's correct.
If you are not worth $50,000 or more, we're not hiring you.
That's what they're saying.
But the interpretation and the way you sell the story, it's kind of like, you know, it's a $25 minimum wage.
America may be at $15,000.
We're going to be at $25 minimum wage.
Great marketing, but I think B of A smart, it's going to cost them $100 million.
What's $100 million?
A few hundred million dollars to B of A. Nothing.
They make billions on top of billions on interest.
Adam, any thoughts on your end?
Yeah, I think this comes down to one of your favorite words ever, which is competition.
So they're competing with the chases of the world and the Wells Fargo's of the world and the city groups of the world.
And they're basically drawing a line in the sand and saying, we're better, we'll pay more.
We're looking for better talent.
And I think something that it's very important to point out, minimum wage, minimum wage, minimum wage, talk about this.
What are the key words in this?
Wage, obviously your pay, and minimum.
Absolute lowest bottom of the barrel, minimum.
You get the minimum pay, you get the minimum effort, absolute minimum.
Something that I've come to recognize since being with Value Tainment for the last year or so is that minimum wage, the whole fact that it's actually bullshit.
It's how did you just say that?
I went there.
I went there.
Watch your language.
I'm trying.
I try my best.
Oh, my gosh.
Soyboy on fire.
The fact that $7.25 is an absolute minimum.
Yeah.
Who the hell is taking that job?
Like, you're either a high school kid or you are lucky to even be in this country or you're just willing to accept the absolute minimum because your skill set is less than desirable, let's say.
So the fact that this is definitely something, you know, you would hear this is an evolution of thought.
Minimum wage, they should be paying more.
Corporations should be paying more.
They should pay their fair share.
That's not how it works.
Comes down to the individual.
If you're 40 years old and you're still somehow making minimum wage, dude, what are you doing with your life?
Right?
So, this is more about the individual recognizing I'm better than this.
They're only paying minimum wage.
I guess that's what they're paying.
What kind of a loser are you?
Right?
Yeah.
Yeah, I'm fired up.
This microwaveable T just got me fired.
Yesterday, I'm at Luft's or two days ago.
I'm at Luft's with Jen.
We're eating at Lufts.
This guy stops by, Range Rover, a nice looking Range Rover.
I think his name was Jeremy.
I think maybe it was with Jay.
Gave me his business card.
He says, Man, I love the podcast.
I'm watching all the podcasts.
I'm watching all your stuff.
Love the fact that you're in Boca.
What do you call it?
I'm in Boca, and we're glad to have you here, all this other stuff.
And I said, Great.
He says, By the way, it's great also watching a podcast with Adam.
I said, Tell me why.
He says, Because I've watched all the episodes and I've seen Adam changed over the last 60 episodes.
So people are seeing an evolution in our buddy here, Adam Saucenick, and we're working on Adam potentially one day running for governor of Florida in the next 20 years.
Probably not.
Charming, charismatic, good-looking, well-spoken, sense of humor.
And I don't need the acolytes behind you with the right team behind you.
Who knows, man?
Governor Sauce.
There you go.
With Pat behind you, you can go anywhere.
You can do anything.
But no, I think that's an important thank you to quote-unquote Jeremy for recognizing that.
I think that's something that we all could recognize: is that we're so, unless there's somebody pushing you and asking you, all right, well, why would you think this?
So why don't we do this?
It's interesting you're saying this because just yesterday, we're in my office.
We're going through topics for podcasts, right?
I got two minutes before I have to jump on a Zoom.
Okay.
And you bring up the topic of abortion.
I'm brought up.
I did not bring it up.
It's Kai's story.
There are stories we have here, right?
Because of Abbott.
Let me read it to you.
And then we're going to go there.
This is when Tom probably wants to step out in a minute to get on his flight.
So Governor Abbott signs fetal heartbeat bill banning most abortions in Texas.
This is a USA Today story.
He's signing into law Wednesday legislation that prohibits abortion once a fetal heartbeat is detected, effectively banning most abortions in the state.
The restriction puts Texas on the vanguard among states challenging the boundaries of Roe versus Wade, the 1973 landmark Supreme Court case that established a woman's legal right to abortion.
There's not a specific timeframe tied to the restriction on fetal heartbeats can be detected as early as six weeks or six weeks from women's last menstrual period, not since the start of her pregnancy.
According to American Congress of gynecologists, opponents of the law argue that it will prohibit abortions before most women are even aware that they are pregnant, effectively outlawing the procedure.
It also does not include exceptions in cases of rape or incest, a caveat that has been long, has long been the standard in abortion law.
So I read the story that we have on talking about it today because of what Abbott's doing in Texas.
All of a sudden, you're like, what is this all about?
Yeah, I was fired up.
Yeah, you were fired up.
And then we got people walking in.
I got to talk.
I got to.
What do you think?
I got to Zoom in 30 seconds.
I'm not doing it right now.
I got to get on a Zoom.
I'm getting mentally prepared for a Zoom.
But you guys leave.
You go outside.
I told everybody.
My Zoom lasts 30 minutes.
I come out.
You guys are still having a heated debate.
Walk us through what happened with your experience yesterday because I know nothing about it.
What happened?
I think this is something that the fine people of Texas might want to consider is actually polling women and seeing what they have to say.
So I asked every female in the office.
I did.
There's, I don't know, there's, you know, eight to ten ladies that responded.
You're a talent.
You're not an employee.
You're simply a talent.
So you're just talking to people.
What does that have to do with anything?
It has to be a disclaimer, HR.
You're a talent.
Yes.
Yes.
Speaking to people.
HR did come up and say this is probably a little interference.
You're a talent.
You're a talent.
I'm a talented guy, baby.
I'm asking questions.
So what happened?
Tell us.
So I asked the ladies in the room, ladies, what should be the drop-dead cutoff point where an abortion is acceptable?
Meaning, okay, because initially I had a little longer approach.
I said, you know, I'm not going to reveal the number, but I said, maybe, you know, closer to five, six months, however.
And they said, well, crazy, you're crazy.
So I started getting women's feedback.
Pay attention, Governor Abbott, women's feedback.
And the universal number was, first disclaimer, women have a right to do whatever they want with their body.
And that's the side that I'm on this.
So for a government, especially Republicans who believe in individual freedoms and keep the government out of my life and keep them out of my bedroom and government shouldn't tell me what to do, but they're the ones basically implementing this six-week regulatory law mandate, what have you.
The resounding answer from the women here in the audience was basically three months.
Because within four to six weeks, you might not even know you're pregnant, right?
That's what women had to say.
I've never been had a period before, although, you know, some people might think I have.
No, you haven't, but you often need MIDAL, my friend.
So the point is, and then I did some research.
So I did the market research with the women.
They said three months.
And then here's the difference here, because there's a court case that's being taken up in the Supreme Court, Mississippi, Mississippi's basically saying 15 weeks is when the cutoff point should be.
And there's actually something currently in the Supreme Court precedent called fetal viability, where states may not ban abortions before 22 weeks.
So that's sort of the magic number, 22 weeks.
Okay.
People are asking, where are you going with this?
People are actually asking a question.
I'm going that this is a clear overreach.
This is a clear overreach by the state of Texas to attempt to outright ban abortions.
And they're suggesting six weeks.
And last but not least, this is the twist that I also found out that the state officials want to enforce this ban, but what they're enabling individuals to do is file lawsuits versus abortion providers, doctors, nurses, what have you from individuals.
Individuals can file lawsuits to basically have endless lawsuits, harassing lawsuits coming from all different angles to these abortion providers rather than one major lawsuit where they could use all their resources to fight it.
So they want basically all these lawsuits coming in, coming out.
So I'm on the side of the ladies.
I'm on the side of the 20-week suggestion.
I think this is an overreach from Texas.
Tom.
I think I think more deeply about this.
I don't want the government legislating decisions on life.
And I'll tell you why.
You know, you take a look at Greece and the Netherlands who have, you know, they're broke.
Excuse me.
They're broke and they can't afford to care for the elderly and an elderly person that has no family around.
You know, you get to this very slippery slope where elderly people with no family, no financial support, 85 years old, Alzheimer symptoms, and they're like, well, guess what?
We're done here.
And, you know, state can push the euthanasia button.
And I just don't think the government should be legislating life.
I think it's a very slippery slope.
I also happen to think that it's that problem that we have, I think, as civilization, specifically America on the issue of choice and abortion is I don't think we love people enough.
And I think that there's been a great failure that we've arrived at a place where out of a fear of responsibility, the ability to care and the ability to do that, that we think the only way out is to terminate.
And I think that's terrible.
I wish as a people we had the systems and the support and everything.
I mean, I listen to the Christian community talk about abortion and they want to give the, you know, hey, let's give her a car seat and some diapers and stuff like that.
Wait a minute.
This woman's got a single mom, got to raise that child all the way up.
We need to have a whole set of services that support her to help her to do that.
And the child-bearing thing is not on the men.
It's on the women.
They're, you know, they have the child and they're carrying it.
So I don't think government should be in these decisions.
And I think we've really, the church and the communities out there have failed to really put their effort where their mouth is about if you're going to say no abortions, you're going to care for people.
You know, let me tell you, the Bible says that religion that God our Father finds faultless is true as this.
Take care of widows and orphans in their distress.
And I don't see churches doing enough to do end-to-end taking care of people so that we can say, if we've got this point of view, we're going to go end-to-end because that's what God said.
God loves life.
God wants this.
Well, why aren't you going end-to-end to help that single mom go all the way up to high school, to help her have the resources to do that so she can work and get care for that child?
No, we say stop the abortion and we'll legislate it on you.
Me, I'll tell you, my Christian viewpoint, I believe God's the ordainer of life, but I'm not ready to step across the line and draw boxes around people at their moment of freedom when they're deciding what to do.
But I'll say, I sure as hell wish that we as a civilization, as a people, and as Christians, we're going more end-to-end and not just saying let's stop abortion, but let's start loving and supporting people so they can get that child all the way to high school and support that single mom because the dad's gone.
A lot of times.
If you want to pull up that.
There's a lot in there, and I'm sorry, TBD, but I'm telling you.
Did you have a response?
No, I just think something that's, I thank you for the heartfelt response genuinely, Tom.
That was deep.
I think something that's pretty disgusting is the fact that Texas, quote unquote, does not include exceptions in cases of rape or incest.
And I know that that's probably, you know, maybe a percent or 2% of these types of situations.
It's not a big deal.
But I think that's disgusting not to account for that.
Were you at the meeting that Dudley hosted 11 years ago where they were showing how much it costs to test whether you're pregnant or not?
Because those machines are very, very expensive.
He was talking about focusing on the family, donating machines.
Well, we were raising money to buy a few machines.
And each machine, you know how much each machine is?
At the time, $54,000.
Wow.
A machine to just go and make sure, like, you go test it to find out if you're pregnant or not.
As opposed to just like a 1999 test at Walgreens?
Yeah, but the machine, the machine.
Yeah, of course.
But the machine to kind of go and do it.
The real stuff.
Just kind of checking out.
Do you have an ectopic pregnancy?
Are you healthy?
What's going on here?
There's a lot of questions with this.
This is part of the health care people.
I think that's a good thing.
I'm a machine that was like $54,000.
And the percentage that we're sharing that most individuals who are pregnant, girls who are pregnant, they're afraid to go in.
They're afraid to talk to somebody.
They're embarrassed.
So they just don't want to go out there and talk to the doctor because what if modified?
It's a lot of different stats too.
But if you can pull this up, Kai, the one I sent you, the first one, and then let's go to the second one.
So this is from Gallup, okay?
This is Gallup, and it's recent.
Go to the date to see when this was given to us.
I think it's 2021.
Okay, go up, go up, because the dates go all the way up to 2020.
Perfect.
So if you go all the way at the top, this is the second one or the first, okay, right there, right there, right there.
Do you think abortion should be legal under any circumstances?
Legal only under certain circumstances or illegal in all circumstances, right?
So look at the colors.
If you can flip the screen so people can see it.
Dark green is legal only under certain circumstances.
Green is legal under any.
Gray is illegal under illegal in all circumstances.
So if you look at illegal, it's 20%.
Okay?
That's 20%.
Do you see it?
If you look at legal under any circumstances, 29%.
And if you look at legal under only certain circumstances, it's 50%.
So I'm willing to bet the 20% is probably Christian, church going.
They're probably have certain.
They're pro-lifers.
They're pro-lifers.
Then you got the rest of the percentage.
If you want to go up to see historically how much this has changed our opinion over the years, okay?
How much has changed our opinions over the years?
Go over here.
There you go.
So this is actually very interesting.
So same exact thing.
Legal under any, legal only under certain, illegal in all, and I have no opinion about it.
So this is 2020, and it goes all the way down.
If you look at it in 2020, legal under any is 29%.
Go back 30 years.
Go back 30 years.
Let's go to keep going, Look at 1989, still 29%.
Keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going.
What's all the way at the bottom of the number that they have on there?
1977, 21%.
1980, 25%.
So it's not moved that.
It's not moved.
That's the point.
So it's not moved.
45 years.
And by the way, the one in the middle also hasn't moved.
And illegal, all the way, go all the way to the top, guy.
Go all the way to the top.
We were looking at right there.
Legal only under certain hasn't moved.
Illegal in all hasn't moved.
No opinion.
People have gone to 2%.
It used to be 4%.
People had an opinion about it before.
Now more people are having opinions about it.
So this hasn't really moved much in the last 40 years.
There's a group of people that are staying on one side.
There's a group of people that are staying on another side.
Some say, well, the kid doesn't have a choice yet.
It's got to be on the mother.
So the priority becomes mother chooses what to happen with the baby.
Some are saying, well, wait a minute.
That's the baby.
You should have had protected, you know, safe sex.
You shouldn't have done unprotected sex.
If you're doing that and you have your baby, you should take responsibility and raise the kid.
That debate's going to go on for a long time.
Scientifically, if you say when it's a heartbeat, six weeks, man, you can go through it.
So if it's saying, hey, when is the person, you know, when is a baby really alive heartbeat?
The numbers are numbers.
If you want to go science.
So if they go science, if they go.
So the only thing that a pro-choice argument has is the woman has the right to abort.
It's okay whether they want to abort the live baby or not.
It doesn't matter.
The argument lately, the last 10 years, some politicians have been pushing to say 36 weeks, 38 weeks, 40 weeks, even the day of.
You're hearing a lot of those.
That's extreme.
just telling you so there is extreme but i think i think something that we i mean the whole purpose of our show is to eliminate the extremes on the left and the right to eliminate the extreme Like, for instance, I don't want to name names.
There was someone that we did had the conversation yesterday.
He said, I think the woman should have the baby no matter what.
Rape, incest, I don't care.
They need to have the baby.
Said, that is extreme, bro.
He goes, yeah, I'm extreme.
That's aggressive.
You're telling me if your uncle rapes a 15-year-old, the 15-year-old has to have the baby?
That's absurd.
But also at the same other extreme, you're a month out from having the baby.
You're eight months pregnant and you're considering aborting it.
That is extreme.
So it looks like 50% of the people said it should be legal under certain conditions.
And I think that's the reality in America today.
Final thoughts, Tom?
People have got this long-standing argument of when does life begin?
And what I want to know is why does compassion stop?
And so, everybody wants the baby to be born, but where's the compassion to be if the society said life is really valuable, and if something like this happens, it's unfortunate, but we're going to support that mom, support that child, get them through school, get them the best chance to go, then we don't need the laws because we as a people would say, wait a minute, this is terribly unfortunate.
Maybe it was careless, maybe it was reckless, maybe it's irresponsible.
Okay, but we've got this woman there with a child, we want the child to grow up in such a way so that they can have a fighting chance not to have an encumbered youth and maybe grow up in the wrong kind of neighborhood, wrong kind of choices.
You know, where does compassion start?
I don't care where life starts, I want to know where compassion starts and why does compassion seem to end when the child is born.
Because if we were a society that thought that way, thought long-term, and people have heard me use my upstream, downstream arguments.
If you don't want to have problems with poverty and a lot of things happening downstream, then you need to go back upstream.
And upstream is showing compassion and finding ways to support the single moms and the children and give them a fighting chance through life, regardless of how that child came to be.
And you don't need abortion laws because people would say it's terrible it happened to you.
And even, you know, you really kind of did this yourself, that really wasn't responsible.
But society, this is the way we feel, and this is how we're going to care.
This we're going to do this because the greater good is to give that child and you an opportunity to make it.
We have a personal situation going on that it's, I'm not going to give the whole information, but it really bothers me.
And, you know, it's one of those things where there's this kid that I just don't like the situation this kid is in.
It totally bothers me, totally.
And we've been in this discussion about what we want to do, whether we want to adopt this kid or not, and the mom wouldn't do it, and the person's mom wouldn't.
Anyways, we've been going back and forth.
It's very, very emotional conversations that we have.
On one end, you're hearing like how many people were accidental babies?
Like, I don't know if I was planned.
I don't know if you were planned.
I don't know if you were.
There were many kids that were not planned.
It just kind of happened.
There's a lot of people that, you know, mom and dad weren't planning on having it at that time.
Mom and dad were, you know, so how many of those people turned out to do something big in their lives?
What do you do with those stories?
But on the flip side, there's also people in America that are having babies because we pay $400 of benefit and welfare and all this other stuff.
So it's a business model as well.
So that's both extremes.
Hey, have more kids.
Every time I have a kid, I get paid $400 for a business.
But that's a horrible business model.
Because a kid costs, you know, a couple hundred grand.
But that means you don't, if you get $400 a kid, you don't spend $400 on the kid.
You only spend $200 on the kid.
And you send him to public school.
You regret your horrible parent.
But that's also happening.
So a part of this, believe it or not, a part of this has to do with the tax system.
I know this kind of went a completely different angle.
A part of this has to do with the tax system.
A part of this has to do with churches not doing their part.
They're looking away and trying to get a bigger building, a bigger building, a bigger building, a bigger build.
We're doing another building budget, another building budget, another building budget, right?
Versus, let's actually go do the work and, you know, and nothing against those bigger buildings.
Absolutely correct.
But I don't think it's just one person or another person's fault.
I think it is something that we got to have more conversations about.
And the extremes, we kind of got to get rid of the extremes in the room when you're in the village.
I agree.
Having said that, we've got to get Tom on a flight up to beat.
Tom's got to go.
I got to give a shout out to somebody real quick.
Go for it.
Real quick shout out to Tom Ellsworth.
He's usually known for bringing his big-ass brain to the podcast.
That's what you're known for.
But today you brought your heart.
So that's nice of you, buddy.
Good to see you.
I want to.
And by the way, last week, this Tuesday, I thought it was your best session on the podcast, which you talked about with Palestine and Israel.
Thank you.
I got so many commentaries saying Adam is a I'm changing my views on Adam.
Adam actually educated me.
I felt he was being very compassionate.
So if we're in the moment of giving each other love, this was a good moment.
All right, everyone, put your hands on it.
No, I want to give one last thing here.
A couple shout outs to people.
One, Ruben gave 10 bucks, Pat.
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Want to join you?
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Diversify is key.
Is Caitlin Jenner serious or not?
Interview her.
Also, how come no stop Jew hashtag are popping up?
Pat, when are you having a conversation for just hands?
I'll pay to go.
Okay, fair enough.
We'll think about that.
After reading your book and watching you for a year, my team believes you will be a great addition.
Obviously, you will become a billionaire.
Okay, great.
I'm glad I'll be a billionaire.
Caleb, talking shit to you, which was great.
And we had a bunch of other guys that had stuff to 50 bucks to do it.
Gang, have a great one.
We'll do it again next Tuesday, same time in the morning.
