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0:00 - Start
7:52 - Kai Greene
15:25 - Colonial Pipeline Cyberattack
26:45 - Future Of War
34:47 - 9/11
43:50 - Police Now Vs Then
47:50 - Police Reform
53:07 - Prison Reform
1:00:10 - Increase in Crime
1:25:42 - Teacher and Student Debate About Police
1:48:03 - Inflation
1:55:34 - Representative Liz Cheney
So today we have a special guest with us, a good friend Bernard Carrick, the former commissioner of NYPD.
You know, in New York, they had the five banano, you know, the five mob families.
They had the banano, the Colombo, all these other families they had, but there was also the Carrick family because you have to be just as tough as them to be able to hang, be in the 40th Commission.
And also correctionally, right, you were also the commissioner of the jail system in New York, which was pretty epic.
I ran Rikers in the New York City jail system.
And back in my day, we had about 133,000 admissions a year.
My daily population was about 22,500.
Moly.
When we took over the system, we averaged about 150 stabbings and slashings per month.
When I left and became police commissioner in 2000, we had knocked down the inmate on inmate violence by about 93%.
93%.
And that is why we have Bernard Carrick here today to talk about what's going on and how he would go about fixing it.
We'd like to kind of get some insight on that.
But outside of that, we just got back from Dallas.
We were in Dallas.
We had a great event with 2,500-some people there.
We rented out the Cowboy Stadium.
We had Bo Jackson there.
Dylan and Bo Jackson had a moment together.
Conversations after.
What was your favorite part with Bo?
Tell me your favorite part that you with Bo or just the whole event?
With Jackson, the Cowboys experience.
I mean, what an event.
Are you freaking kidding me?
So I will tell you the one part that stands out to me because we got in on Sunday.
You spoke all day Sunday to your MDs, right?
Your marketing directors.
So there's maybe 300 people in the room, right?
So that's, keep in mind, we haven't had a major event anytime like this since 2019, right?
I mean, so this is my first PHP event.
We just had our first big value tamement event a month ago, not even 100 people in a room in the Breakers.
So to get 100 people in a room these days, it's pretty impressive.
Point is, we got 300 people in a room, think it's a pretty big deal.
All right, Pat speaks, it's awesome, it's awesome.
Monday morning rolls around.
You know, I tend to run maybe a little bit late sometimes.
Don't be like a 5 a.m. tactician.
Yeah, whatever.
So this particular day, I think the meeting started at 9.
I strolled in at 9:30.
I had some stuff to do in the morning.
I walk in, burn, and the room is packed.
2,500 people.
I did not expect that.
It was insane to the point where I'm expecting.
The fire department showed up.
No, nobody showed up.
No, no, no.
I'm saying the fire department showed up behind closed doors because we had a standing room only.
We had to bring new chairs in.
We had to get some guys to get out.
It was problematic behind closed doors.
I did not even know that.
It looked like it went off.
The director, the hotel showed up.
We were having conversations.
But anyways, it was a great event.
Afterwards, we go, we shut down the Cowboys Stadium.
Shut down Cowboy Stadium.
Yeah, and it's right after Canola's fight, by the way.
This is a Canelo had to fight at 76,000.
Some people went to watch this guy fight, and the guy broke the other guy's jaw.
Did you see that?
Yeah, I did.
He broke his face, pretty much, with a punch.
Bernie, please don't get any ideas.
All right.
I'm a good guy.
Bernie's a friend of yours.
So question.
Huge event.
Feels great to get back on the scene.
You rent out Dallas Cowboy freaking stadium.
What?
How does it feel?
You're the CEO.
You're given the opening and closing messages.
How does it feel to do a major event like that?
This is our second one at the Cowboys Stadium.
They're very easy to deal with, great people, phenomenal experience.
And this time around, we brought Bo.
Bo is pissed off.
He misses two flights because of the lightning and the, you know, they're saying canceled, cancel, cancel.
He's the kind of guy.
He's old school.
He wants to be on time.
So he gets in, ticked off at Mother Nature.
This motherfucker, you know, I cannot believe this.
He is pissed off.
He's looking to fight Mother Nature and possibly win to win.
Possibly win.
And then, anyways, he gets up there, and Matt Sopala does a phenomenal job interview.
Shout out to Sapphire.
Great conversations, great questions.
Shout out to Teer and Moral for making that whole thing happen.
They did.
And then after Bo threw the ball to guys for a straight hour.
He didn't have to do that.
I was like, Bo, you can go home.
He's like, no, man, I'm good.
I'm having fun.
So he was in his element.
You know, he was in his element.
Then afterwards, we went and sat down, had conversations.
He was cool about it.
Telling stories with Dylan.
And Adam showed a video to Dylan that's been on Dylan's mind all weekend long.
It's the why don't you tell him what the video is?
All right.
You're a big Will Farrell fan.
Anyway, Will Farrell's in this movie show, Eastbound and Down, and he plays his character.
And it's basically: imagine that I'm trying to make the two of you laugh.
Okay.
And whoever laughs first loses.
So he gets into this Ric Flair-esque character.
And the story is, I'm making love to my wife.
Donna.
Donna.
I come home one night.
Yeah, exactly.
Close the window.
Yeah.
AC, 82, call me.
I'm on top of Donna.
She doesn't like it at all.
She's sweating.
My son, Gabriel, walks in.
82, I'd imagine.
He says, oh, no, son, go.
Let him.
What do you say?
Gabriel walks in.
My wife, Donna, yells, Gabriel, get out of here.
No.
Let the boy watch.
Like I had to learn from my father before me and his father before.
At this point, these guys can't even control themselves.
Anyway, so Dylan watched this video all weekend long.
All he's been saying, we're sitting there talking to Bo Jackson.
Bo has no clue what's going on.
I asked Bo, I said, Bo, who are the greatest athletes of all time?
So Bo says, I'm going to have to put Jim Brown there.
I'm going to put Michael Jordan.
He gave all these names.
And then Dylan says, How about Frank Robin?
How about Jackie Robinson?
He says, You know what?
We have to put Jackie there.
So he says, You forgot Kobe Bryant.
Yeah, we have to put Kobe.
How about Jesse Owens?
He's like, Dylan, keeps going.
He keeps giving these names.
And then all of a sudden, I don't know where Dylan, every we're having a serious conversation.
Dylan says, Bo, let the boy watch.
Dylan has no clue what he's talking.
Seven years is over.
Let the boy watch.
Bo has no clue.
He and I are trying to control ourselves.
The funniest part is that your son is asking you to let the boy watch.
The irony is.
And the fact that your father is named Gabriel is just the most ironic part.
There's too many things there that makes so Bernie.
You're a Giants fan.
You're a Jets guy?
I mean, let's bring this back to you.
You're from New York.
You ran New York for a freaking decade.
You know, I'm not a big football fan.
You know, I like the Giants because they're in New York.
You know, I like the Yankees.
I used to go to, I usually attended a bunch of games.
I don't go anymore.
I'm not happy with the NFL and some of these other teams that have supported Black Lives Matter and all this nonsense.
So I've kind of stayed away from it.
Gotcha.
So not a Bo Jackson fan, maybe or what?
Bo Jackson, yeah.
I like him.
Good man.
Good guy.
Okay.
Now, but you were a football fan before.
Like you were a guy that followed football.
I would follow it, yeah.
So you went from following now, you're not following it.
In the last three years.
The last two.
Straight.
So you're that fan who says, I was a fan, now I'm not.
No.
So is it fair to say if I go to Red Concert at five o'clock, hypothetically, and you're there, Kai Green is there, Aaron is there, you guys are working out, I'm probably not going to see you in a Kaepernick jersey.
Is that a fair assessment?
No, it's pretty fair to say.
That's pretty fair to say.
So what did you do with Kazakhstan?
And you will not see me working out with Kai Green and Aaron.
Yeah.
I'll be by myself.
By yourself, those boys are on their own.
They're off to the same.
I mean, first of all, Kai just looks like Aaron's a big guy.
Aaron used to be a big one.
Aaron's a big guy, but Kai is a monster.
He's a monster, yeah.
So I got to tell you, he went to, I took him to CPAC with me, right?
The Conservative Political Action Committee event.
And he wanted to go.
He wanted to go to CPAC.
Kai Green.
Kai Green, which I don't know.
For me, it was surprising.
This is a Brooklyn dude, wants to go to CPAC.
I said, all right.
So Aaron and I, and Aaron's wife, and Kai, we go to CPAC.
And, you know, I know a bunch of these guys that are, you know, former uniforms, former Olympians, but I've never hung with them like at dinner at lunch.
So we go in this, we go in this restaurant and we sit down to have lunch.
And Aaron's wife orders like a sandwich and Aaron orders a cheeseburger and I order a cheeseburger.
And Kai, he says, okay, I'll take a cheeseburger with, you know, those red fries and a chicken sandwich too.
And a big salad.
And another sandwich.
This is Kai.
This is Kai.
And the lady's looking at him and she goes, Oh, do we need another seat?
Is somebody else coming?
And he goes, No.
That's for me.
It's for me.
I do 12 lunches.
Well, let me see how much he weighs.
Off-season, this guy is 310 pounds.
How tall?
He's 5'8 ⁇ .
Yeah, I was going to say he's about 5'8.
Have you seen what he looks like?
Kai's physique?
Let's pull him up.
Can you put it up?
You gotta beat us to the punch.
He's got shooting a man.
He's beaten to the punch on this, Kai.
So he sits there and he has this, you know, this lunch for five on his own.
He sits there.
Lunch for five for one.
Yeah, look.
Yeah, I know.
He's a small guy.
He's got the beautiful rat tail.
He's a small dude.
And so we get done.
We get done with that lunch and we go on to the VIP room in the CPAC center.
And about an hour later, we're in that room and he's like tooling around the room and he's looking in the little, you know, they have the hors d'oeuvre things.
And I said to Aaron, I said, what's he looking for?
He said, he's hungry.
I said, he's hungry.
Yeah.
He just got enough fucking food for about 30 people.
Yeah, that's he's hungry.
That's insane.
Again, let the boy eat.
Let the boy eat.
That's him.
But they do, you know, they have six, eight meals a day to maintain that physique and weight.
You need it.
Well, you're considering doing something like that.
You said, no, I'm not.
Not working out like that.
No, no, no.
But eating more small meals.
This is not, they're not eating six small meals.
These guys are eating six cows a day, is what he's telling you.
Is he a guy?
Let's get some clothes.
You know, look, the bottom line is you can eat, you know, and I went through this in my turmoil.
Images, buddy.
Images.
I learned how to eat six, eight times a day.
But it was super small meals.
You know, and, you know, everybody has these diets, right?
They have a hundred different diets.
Here's the diet.
The real diet.
Protein, vegetables, and fruit.
I don't know what the hell you call that.
You know, they got names.
Paleo diet.
Yeah, paleo and all these other diets.
It's all BS.
Protein, vegetables, and fruit.
If you do that, you do it in small portions, six to eight times a day, you will knock off the weight.
You'll be in phenomenal shape.
And, you know, that's kind of what I would do.
That's not Kai's diet.
Kai is trying to maintain 310, 300 pounds.
This guy's eating, think about it.
I mean, he's eating 4,000 calories per meal.
Per meal.
Yeah.
Times six meals a day.
But he spends eight hours a day in the gym for him to maintain that physique.
He's been doing movies.
He took a different route.
He went from doing the bodybuilding side to now he no longer competes.
He is more doing movies, Hollywood.
He took a different route.
Have you ever met him?
No.
You got to get him on a show.
I'm telling you.
Smart guy, you know, just soft-spoken.
Strong opinions or no?
Pretty strong opinions.
But he's a soft-spoken guy.
The nicest man you could meet.
His biggest opponent was who?
Phil Heath.
Him and Phil went at it back and forth.
Remember, Phil, you know, all those top guys.
Cutler, Cutler, you know, those kind of guys.
Yeah.
You're a good friends with Phil Heath.
Very good friends with Phil Heath, yeah.
And so they went same era, and I think Kai would go second many times.
And Kai, a couple times, almost could have picked it up.
A lot of people who are Kai fans would say, you know, he could have had one or two.
The guy had a very nice physique.
Very, very nice.
When you're at that level, when you're at that level, you know, it's symmetric.
It's a muscle off.
You know, bottom line is all those guys, all those guys, whether it's Cutler or Coleman or, you know, all of them, they're phenomenal athletes.
Oh, I mean, they shit in me.
First of all, you're talking about it's the most judgmental sport in the world.
It's you against the judges in your little panties.
Okay.
Literally, you're wearing panties, okay?
And you're sitting there posing, and they're saying his absence.
If Kai Green comes and sits here, don't talk about panties.
What's up with your panties, Kai?
How do you get your panties in a bunch?
So, anyways, he does.
He eats a lot.
Anyway, so let's get into it.
We got a lot of stories to cover.
I'm going to cover some of the stories here and we'll get into it.
One is gas prices, which is insane.
We may even go into that on what happened with gas prices, with this dark web hackers that came out.
They got actually an interesting story on what they're doing.
I think it's important to see the connection there with Russia.
U.S. job opening hits record high in March.
We have a number of states that have ended boosting their unemployment benefits.
Emmett, hiring concerns.
Another article we got about Applebee's aiming to hire 10,000 workers in May with an interview incentive, which is a pretty big deal to see Applebee's wanting to hire 10,000.
Amazing incentive program.
But that's what's great is the fact that they're hiring 10,000.
It's telling you the future looks bright.
So anytime you see an Applebee's hiring 10,000, they're trying to say things are about to go back to normal, which is great to hear something like that.
Okay, so inflation skyrocketing, record breaking, I think, April that we had the last time it went up this 4.2% was what, in 08, when they had a spike like this.
Analytics suggests 96% of users leave app tracking disabled and iOS 14.5.
This is hurting Facebook tremendously because they're allowing people to say, do you want them to have your information?
SoftBank just shocked its critics by landing the biggest profit in the history of a Japanese company.
Judge dismisses NRA bankruptcy case.
Colonial pipeline attack tip of an infrastructure risk iceberg.
DHS cyber chief says gas stations in the Southeast run out of gas as people panic buying fuel.
New York City violent crime is up.
So is the city's police budget, which obviously we'll talk to you about that.
New York City appears prepares for a return to government for government workers.
Why New York City's homelessness rates skyrocketed for adults, but dropped for families during the pandemic?
California Governor Newsom is proposing a $12 billion budget to house state homelessness.
LA murder rate continues to climb.
Murder in Los Angeles nearly doubles, up nearly 200%.
Violent crimes rising at a rapid pace.
Sheriff's statistics show St. Louis Sheriff's Statistics show.
Then something happened this weekend with Republicans ousting Liz Cheney from leadership over her, I say this weekend, it was a couple days ago.
We haven't done a podcast for a while over her opposition to Trump and GOP election lies, which I'm kind of curious to know what you're going to say about that.
And then we have to talk about Palestine and Israel.
Is that story here or no?
Is that story here?
Which page is it on?
12.
Yeah, let me see what we have.
Okay, senior Hamas commander killed as Israel strikes Gaza.
Palestinians fire rockets.
First story I want to get into is actually gas prices.
So if you want to go to page five, colonial pipeline attack, and then we'll go into page six to talk about these gas prices, what happened to it, why the lines are so long and why everyone's panicking.
So colonial pipeline attack, tip of infrastructure, risk iceberg, DHS cyber.
Is this the gas story or no?
Dark story.
It is.
Okay.
Colonial pipeline attack, tip of the infrastructure rise, risk iceberg, DHS cyber chief, Fox business story.
After a hacking group forced Colonial Pipeline, the nation's largest system for refined oil products, to shut down suddenly, government officials are warning cyber attacks against U.S. businesses and infrastructure will become more frequent.
Acting Cybersecurity Infrastructure Security Agency Director Brandon Wells made that clear during Q ⁇ A while testifying before lawmakers on the Senate Homeland Security Committee.
If there is ransom, ransomware focus on colonial, there is likely to be ransomware focused on other critical infrastructure as well.
Isn't that true?
Asked Senator Rob Portman, Republican Ohio, the ranking member of the committee, and Wells responded, that is true.
The attack on the colonial pipeline said to be the work of Russian ransomware group Darkseid is straining supply and panicking drivers who have lined up at gas stations up and down the East Coast with North Carolina and Virginia declaring a state of emergency.
And then obviously this has caused the gas stations in Southeast to run out of gas as people panic.
Buying fuel gas stations in southern eastern United States face significant outages.
Wednesday, this makes it in this, stretches into the sixth day.
As of 7 a.m. Eastern Standard Time, 24.8% of all gas stations in North Carolina, 15.4% of all gas stations in Georgia, 15% in Virginia are without gasoline.
Let me say that one more time.
A quarter of all gas stations in Carolina, that's the third largest economy in America.
According to the city, it's a big number right there when you're looking at that.
According to Gas Buddy as an abstract fuel demand, the supply chain appears to be much worse in metropolitan cities.
Gas buddy reported outages impacting 71% of stations in Metro Charlotte, nearly 60% in Atlanta, 72% in Raleigh, 73% in Pensacola.
Anyways, I can give you a bunch of stats.
What are your thoughts on what's going on with this?
Well, you want to start with this?
No, go ahead.
Okay, well, there's two different stories here.
There's the actual cyber attack on colonial pipeline.
I think it's important to point out that sort of a big Miami journalist type guy made a major announcement.
He's like, people in South Florida, don't worry about this.
We do not get our gas from Colonial Pipeline.
We actually get shipments from the ports.
So this is not affecting South Florida.
So for local people, we're like, all right, cool.
But there's, I guess, two stories going on here.
Number one, the cyber warfare.
I mean, you could probably speak about warfare way better than I, but warfare is now turning cyber.
And this is a major concern.
I think it was Ted Coppel That I spoke with a few years ago at a big NALBA event, and it was kind of 2016 when Trump was talking about the wall and all that, and it was hoopal on hoopla.
He goes, look, the biggest issue we should all be thinking about is cyber warfare, and obviously after COVID, you know, whatever you would call pandemic warfare, also the electrical grid.
Like, imagine if they can take out the electrical grid, that'd be absurd.
So, but the good news is this has been rectified.
Everything is kind of getting back to normal.
And then, back to that's sort of a macro level.
Then, from a micro perspective, Kai, if you want to pull up the picture that I just sent you, this reminds me, to use the metaphor from COVID, people freaking out buying toilet paper.
I got to get toilet paper.
I'm hoarding toilet paper.
It's ridiculous.
I need the toilet paper.
And it's like, why did we all need all that toilet paper during COVID?
I had COVID.
I wasn't going to the bathroom more than usual.
So, here's an example that I saw online.
This couple is filling up a SUV full of gas.
This is classic.
With the kids probably sitting in the back right there smelling all of that.
You know, the guy's 300 pounds.
He should probably just take a walk for a second.
But rather than driving the SUV, that's just, that's just me.
I got personal.
I'm sorry, buddy.
I take that back.
The wives' calves look like Bo Jackson's.
That's just me again.
Legit.
But legit.
But this is what's going on.
This is people overreact.
They rush to judgment.
Listen, all night last night, if you ride up and down the highway, you'll see lines.
You would have seen lines all night last night.
They don't really have a problem here, but people panic.
Just like the toilet paper.
And I don't, I really never figured out what the toilet paper had to do with the COVID stuff.
Like toilet paper.
I don't know.
Nobody got diarrhea from COVID.
No, that was not a symptom.
No.
It was not a symptom.
I still can't smell six months later, but I've been able to, bathrooms are pretty normal.
Not a bad problem.
Yeah, so, you know, the toilet paper was an issue.
Just like the gas, people panic.
They panic, and it's usually out of ignorance.
The problem we have, you know, out of all the things that you mentioned, you know, the grid issues, the electrical grid, the water basins, you know, are they problematic?
Could they be?
Yeah, they could be.
But the bottom line is cyber is probably one of the deadliest threats we face today as a national security risk because you have Russia, you have China, you have El Salvador, Iran, North Korea, North Korea.
These are all, you know, they all have their elements out there that are trying to attack the U.S. without doing it publicly.
And how do you do that?
You get into the banking systems.
You get into systems like this.
They could do a lot of damage, a lot of damage.
And that's what we have to worry about.
And here's what's interesting.
Kai, can you pull up that tweet that I sent you?
This is pretty insane to be thinking about how ridiculous this is getting.
Here's U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission.
Do not fill plastic bags with gasoline.
Plastic bags.
Plastic bags with gasoline.
What do you mean, do you even have to tweet about the fact that the only reason they're tweeting that is why?
Because someone's in water bags or something.
Hey, let me go fill up plastic.
How do you even fill up plastic bags?
This is what irrational actors are thinking about when they hear that there's a gas shortage and they don't own one of the big red buckets because homeboy over there just bought 10,000 of them, put them in his truck.
And now your only option is, oh, yeah, I got to go fill up a garbage bag versus gasoline.
And you're freaking out.
Like you said, they're uninformed and they're just acting.
So here's what we all have.
This is the largest U.S. pipeline, number one.
Largest U.S. fuel pipeline.
Okay.
Dark side hackers took 100 gigabyte of data they stole.
They have a double extortion scheme.
There's a ransom they want here in return.
If you go look up who darkse hackers are, they operate on the dark web.
It's not political.
They flat out tell you we are not political.
We don't lean on the left or the right or anywhere.
We simply just want money.
On their website, they tell you which companies they've attacked, which companies they've hacked, what they've gotten on their website, clearly.
And they say they have a very value-based principle.
They don't go after funeral homes.
They don't go after insurance companies.
They don't go after companies that take care of elderly.
They're such people.
What nice principle-based hackers.
And Biden came out and said, look, this has nothing to do with Russia, meaning the government.
It has something to do with the people that are hacking are from Russia, but we don't know if they're linked to Russia or not.
Obviously, gas prices went up the highest in seven years.
But if you really think about it, here's what you got to be thinking about.
So go and think about what COVID did to us for 12 months.
How much did COVID cost us?
I was talking to Noam Chomsky, and he said such an interesting thing.
He said, look what Osama bin Laden did to U.S.
He said, Osama bin Laden, during Bush and Obama, he got the U.S. government, his goal was to make the U.S. government go bankrupt chasing this guy.
U.S. spent $3.6 trillion just to catch this guy.
He says, what human being in the world has ever been worth $3.6 trillion?
The most expensive human being ever in the world was Osama bin Laden.
Think about that.
The most expensive human being in the world was Osama bin Laden.
That's how much U.S. spent to go capture this guy, right?
$3.6 trillion.
So now, you come back and you look at something like this.
How much did COVID cost U.S.?
How much did COVID cost?
$5 trillion plus.
So far, in excess of $5 trillion.
In excess of $5 trillion.
Okay, $5 to $6 trillion.
Forget about the printing money, all this stuff.
$5 to $6 trillion, right?
And now things are coming back that Fauci was part of a funded project.
I don't know if you saw that or not, that they helped out with China years ago, and now they're kind of wanting to remove their names.
But on the bottom of it, this lady who did this report on the bottom, she says that this research was funded by, I think it's NIH, which Fauci's name is on that.
Now Fauci's coming back and saying we had nothing to do with this.
And they're saying how reckless this could have been because the virus could have come out, et cetera, et cetera.
What does this have to do with COVID and Fauci?
Here's what it has to do with it.
The threats, you know how they say, what is that one line?
If wars were fought in, you know, the next World War III will be fought with what?
Sticks and bones, you know, sticks and words?
No, no, no.
Sticks and stones.
Sticks and stones.
Meaning it's going to be the end of the world.
I don't think that's going to be the case.
If you actually think about what the next wars are going to be, the toughest things about the next war is you don't know who's doing it.
There is no fingerprints today.
It's tough to find the fingerprints today.
How do you go back and see who's behind this thing here?
How do you not know these were operators, you know, people who are working on the inside with the Russian government that are doing this?
How do you not know that this is funded?
You don't know that stuff.
The paper trail to find a lot of stuff is tough today.
You don't know.
Why?
Because it's done online.
The hackers can find ways to eliminate their IP so you don't know where it's coming from.
And these guys are becoming so good at what they're doing today.
You know, this reminds me of the Cali cartel back in the 80s, 90s, right?
For everything that Pablo Escobar and those guys.
Pablo Escobar, those guys, for every element that we put together to attack them, to go after their networks, to kill their groups.
Everything we did, so think of it like this.
You can't wiretap a cell phone, right?
This is back in the 80s.
Coming out of the 80s, going into the 90s, we figured out how to get up on the phones.
So they went to Pagers.
Then we figured out how to get on the Pagers.
They take one step.
We have to follow it up with two or three to catch up.
How long does that take to catch up, by the way?
It depends on what it is, but it takes a while.
It's not immediate.
You know, they're thinking, the criminal element is this.
They're constantly thinking of ways to circumvent the law, circumvent law enforcement.
And every time they do that, we have to come up with a way to combat it.
In this, this stuff is like Star Wars, realistically.
And today, you know, there are kids out there, 15-year-old kids, that are in high schools that in my town, for example, in Bergen County, New Jersey, there are kids in high schools that, you know, get visits from the FBI and the Secret Service because they just happen to tap into, you know, Michelle Obama's banking.
Just for shits and giggles, man.
Just to tell the people that are.
Just look what I played.
Just to play, they're playing a game.
They're playing a game.
But that's the intelligence level of some of these kids today.
And what happens?
Then they go into the private sectors.
They go into government sectors.
They go into criminal sectors.
And they go out there and do this stuff.
So the genius of our younger generation when it comes to this is incredible.
And it's frightening.
Who's more creative?
Who's more creative?
CIA, FBI, DEA, or criminals?
Who is more creative?
The criminals are more creative because they're there first.
They get there first, right?
So they have to be creative.
They already know what we have the ability to do.
So they have to get creative to circumvent that.
But I will tell you this: when the FBI has a problem or the CIA has a problem, they can't really figure it out, who do they go to?
Boom.
They go to the criminals, right?
They get their informants.
They get their sources.
They bring in people that can get the job done.
And sometimes it's...
It's like in the classic movie, Catch Me If You Can, Frank Abagnale.
That's exactly right.
I was thinking about that.
All right, we can't figure this guy out.
Let's bring him in.
Let's go get him.
And now he's like one of the more outspoken people out there talking about money laundering and washing money and not using Roosevelt went to Joseph Kennedy.
You know, because he's like, listen, man, the way you can manipulate the stock market, I have to find out what you're doing to find the next criminals.
And that's how the whole SEC got started back in the days.
They have to find out how would you manipulate the market today?
How would you mess with the market today?
But these hackers, they're not driven by the same things that others are driven by.
They're not driven by money.
They're not driven.
They're driven by, you know.
Some are driven by money.
Some.
It's not all of them, though.
But not all of them.
Yeah, some of them are driven by revenge.
They're driven by, you said, what did you say?
Watch what I'm going to do.
Or it's a game.
You don't think I can do this?
Exactly.
It's a game.
It's political.
It's revenge.
It's, you know, it's fighting.
At least these dark side guys, whoever these guys are, they're flat out saying, look, man, we're just great at what we do.
We want money.
That's all we care about.
You give us a money.
At least they're being full disclosure.
Sure.
It's a very one-dimensional relationship.
We're very good at what we do.
We're going to make your life a living kill.
Just give us the money.
We'll leave you alone.
It's crazy what these young kids get to.
I think it was like a 15-year-old kid that hacked into Twitter or something like that and started tweeting under Jack Dorsey or whatever the ridiculous story was like that.
You know what's scary is you look at some of the dark side hackers.
Who are they hacking?
They're hacking police departments.
They're hacking police departments.
They're hacking government agencies.
They're going to police departments and saying.
What's their outcome?
Money.
Money.
They want paid.
You know, we're going to, you know, we're going to shut down your city's ability to, you know, to get payments for city electric, you know, utilities.
We're going to shut that down.
You know, we want $100,000 in Bitcoin, and we want it by 12 p.m. today.
And if you don't do it, we're shutting that ability down.
So they look at it like this.
The city looks at it like this.
One, we're not going to grab them.
We're not going to catch them.
We may catch them later on down the line, but we ain't getting them no time soon to stop this.
And two, if they shut our ability down to collect utility payments from city residents, it's going to cost us $5 million over the next two weeks, three weeks, a month.
Give them the $100,000.
Oh, so they'll negotiate with terrorists and pay them is what you're saying.
Cyber terrorists.
Cities pay.
Cities are paid.
Tells you to power these guys.
By the way, that's the next phase.
So a couple years ago, I'm at an insurance conference at Palm Springs.
I'm at an insurance conference.
CEO gets up, okay?
And they say, just want you to know, hackers right now are hacking into life insurance policies, and they're taking cash values out of life insurance policies.
Wow.
Yes.
So the CEO, we had a six-hour session.
Two hours of it was just about cybersecurity.
Okay.
So we went and investigated to find out what we need to be doing with cybersecurity.
I mean, you can go out there and get the best cybersecurity insurance.
You can get the guys to come in.
No matter how much guys you get, there's going to be people that know how to go around it.
You're just trying to protect yourself.
That's exactly what I said.
Yeah.
You're simply trying.
So today, one of the biggest sellers today is cybersecurity insurance.
It's not even about hiring the best engineer to fight off cybersecurity hackers.
It's to get a cybersecurity insurance.
You get a $5 million policy.
Who would have thought the cybersecurity insurance business would have been this big?
You're literally buying insurance against a cyber attack.
And that's what a lot of businesses are doing.
It's probably worth it to have.
It's a very good business.
I'm telling you right now, I think the insurance industry with cybersecurity, I think that's going to be one of the best business next 20 years.
You know, I'm walking away.
Because you've got, if you don't have a mechanism to stop them, say they have your client list in some capacity, right?
A major corporation, say they have your client list.
They're going to abolish your client list.
They're going to disintegrate your files.
They're going to do all this stuff.
They want to have a million dollars.
So you're going to lose your client list.
You're going to lose your data.
You're going to lose everything that was in your servers, your systems, unless you pay.
You're going to pay.
How do you pay?
Through the insurance company.
Wow.
I have a question for you, Bernie, because you were the NYPD commissioner around 9-11, right?
During 9-11.
During.
So taking it back to I'm 40, Pat's 42, 41.
I remember being, this is 25 years ago, I remember being 15 years old, late 90s, mid-90s, and literally calling up and asking one of my best friends who was like a computer geek, hey, Jeremy, what's the difference between the internet and email?
Can you just break that down for me, buddy?
I literally had no idea.
1996.
Right.
Okay, so five years later, we're dealing with 9-11.
You brought up 1996, I think I bought, remember American Express had a thing.
You can buy a computer online, and people were buying computers.
And I was like, dude, I don't know.
What would I ever need a computer?
Why would I need a computer?
You know, AOL account.
I'm going to get an AOL account.
Right.
Who just sold the joint in Yahoo for five years?
Exactly.
And they lost the exclamation point.
So they're not excited about it.
The Yahoo used to have the exclamation point.
Hey, yola is not Yahoo.
Yes, correct.
But it used to be Yahoo with an exclamation point.
They took that away, meaning they're not too excited.
Here's my question for you.
So we're going back 20 years or so.
What were the major concerns back then, pre-9-11 and even post-9-11, versus what they are today?
We talked about cyber and this malware and taking down the grid.
So bring us back to what the world looked like 20 years ago when you were running the show, running the show versus what it looks like today.
I think back then, you know, we weren't as concerned with cyber as we are today.
Not even close.
Not even close.
Today is a major.
It's a major, could be a major national security threat.
Back then, it was the criminal element in the NYPD.
We had a big intelligence component.
We had been attacked prior.
The radical Muslim groups we were familiar with, we were concerned with.
And the organized crime change.
Years ago, up until I guess the 2000s, a lot of the organized crime, major organized crime in New York City was Italian, right?
The mafia.
You know, today when the FBI says, you know, they've hit the mafia, they've, you know, they're taking out a substantial organized crime mafia group.
The guy's 90 years old.
He's coming out of his fucking house in a bathroom.
Come on.
Like, really, dude.
You know what I mean?
Amazing.
So continue.
We got him, guys.
Yes, we got him.
And his walker.
Tony.
Any life?
In his walker, they're getting him out to the car.
Today it's the Russians.
Today it's the Chinese.
Things like that.
Those organized crime groups are serious concerns.
Terrorism, a serious concern in New York City.
Only because we've been through it.
We are, I think, New York City is still the primary terrorist target in the United States.
But cyber is one of the most important.
Pre-9/11, how big of a concern, how high of a rate of alert was a terrorist attack like the World Trade Center?
Was it well, it was still, it was high, and there were things we were always concerned with.
Keep in mind, you know, the mass transit system.
We have five million people that go through the mass transit system on a daily basis in New York City.
You know, you drop, you know, some chemical agents in the subway system at five o'clock at Grand Central Station.
Holy shit.
You've got a major problem.
So these are always, these were always concerns of ours.
You know, in the aftermath of the attack on the morning of September 11th, after the planes hit the buildings, we shut down the mass transit system.
We evacuated the other buildings in New York City, you know, that had major height on them, worried about incoming planes, worried about, you know, the third planes, fourth planes.
We didn't know how many planes were out there.
But we also shut down the mass transit system, got everybody out of the subway system.
Because I didn't know if there were more attacks planned.
I didn't know if there was something going to happen on the ground.
You know, a coordinated attack like this, you don't know, you don't know what they did.
You only know what you're getting at the time.
What did they have planned?
Did they have coordinated attacks planned on the ground?
You know, shore up the synagogues, shore up the churches, the government buildings, the mass transit.
These are all things that we had to worry about at the time.
And you were with Giuliani, right?
You were escorting Giuliani around because there's a – what's the whole story with you and Mayor Giuliani during 9-11?
Well, when the first plane hit Tower 1, I was actually in my office.
Giuliani was uptown.
He was at a breakfast.
And I was in my office, and my chief of staff and one of my security guys came in banging on the door that a plane had just hit Tower 1.
And I thought they were a little overly excited because I thought that that plane would be a small Cessna or one of these small airplanes.
You did not think it was a terrorist attack.
No.
The morning of the day.
No, I thought, you know what I thought it was?
I thought it was one of these small planes that could fly up and down the Hudson River.
The helicopters, a small aircraft, taking people in and out of Lower Manhattan.
And then all of a sudden, I looked up at, I had a TV in my office above a treadmill in the back of my office, and I could see the damage to the building.
And I walked out to my phone at my desk.
I called the mayor, and he said, I'm on the way downtown.
I'll meet you at 7 World Trade.
That was where the emergency command center was for the city.
So I got dressed because I was standing there taking a shave when this happened.
I got dressed and I was down to the entrance of Vesey Street probably within seven or eight minutes.
Got down to the corner, came down West Broadway, went to turn on the Vesey and there were cops there.
And a sergeant came up to my vehicle, saw me in the back seat.
I had my window down, saluted me, and said, boss, you can't get onto the block.
They're jumping.
And I didn't know what he was doing.
From the building.
Yeah.
I got out of the vehicle, walked to the corner of Vesey, and I could see this debris coming off the building.
And then within seconds, I realized that the debris that I saw coming off the building wasn't really debris.
It was people.
And they were coming down two or three at a time.
So we backed the vehicles up West Broadway to Barclay, waiting for the mayor.
And about three minutes before he arrived, the second plane blew through the north side of the tower.
So when you see that big orange fireball blow out the north side of Trade Center 2, I was standing under that fireball.
And we were looking up, and I didn't know, I didn't know at the time what that was because I didn't see that plane.
That plane came in from the southern end of Manhattan.
And then I could hear the aviation pilots, our pilots, the helicopter pilots in the NYPD yelling that a second aircraft had just hit Tower 2.
So it was at that moment that I realized that we were under attack.
We didn't know anything about D.C., didn't know anything about the Pentagon, hadn't happened yet.
Pennsylvania, nothing.
Nothing.
None of that stuff.
That was another half hour behind us.
The mayor got there in about three minutes.
We looked at the front of the building.
The mayor wanted to go down to West Street.
We walked, literally walked to West Street over by the financial center, looked at the damage to Tower 1 and 2 from that side of the street.
And then I brought him back to exactly where we picked him up at Barclay and West Broadway so he could call the White House.
He wanted to call the White House.
He wanted to call President Bush and ask for air support.
And we were in that office with the mayor and my executive staff, some of the deputy mayors, when Tower 2 imploded.
And it was only about 100 yards from us.
So basically, it imploded on top of us.
Pretty, pretty, I mean, everybody remembers where they were at with 9-11.
Everybody remembers where they were at with 9-11.
What I want to do is I want us to talk about some of the numbers came up here about New York and the crime rate, what's going on over there.
I want you to kind of give us what a day, because I know even right now, your son's a cop in Jersey.
Right.
And he's been one for a while.
And I want people to know what is the difference between being a cop today after the whole defunding police, after the whole campaign of, you know, the way cops are being painted right now.
If a story comes out that favors cops being bad, they'll highlight it all over the place.
If a story comes out with the cops doing the right thing, it may get shared in a couple places, but they're not going to share it.
So it's only the bad part that they're shown with cops.
Right.
What is the difference between being a cop in the 80s, 90s versus being a cop in 2021, 2020?
I think the biggest difference is the public image of policing has changed because of this radical left-wing movement.
You know, what I think is a pretty substantial push for socialism in the country.
You know, back in the 80s, 90s, 70s, police officers, male, female, they were respected in the community.
In your classrooms, your children were taught, you know, cops are the good guys.
They go out and they do a job that a lot of people wouldn't do.
A lot of people wouldn't have the courage to do.
They're underpaid.
They're understaffed.
And people respected them, just like you respected people in the military.
Over the last 20 years or so, especially the last 10, over the last 10 years, 12 years, that's all changed.
And there's been this major push by the radical left to demonize police.
And we have a lot of this going on right now, especially in major cities.
And what's ironic, it's those major cities that have this push to victimize the thugs and villainize the cops.
It's those major cities that are run in a manner contrary to the way Giuliani ran New York City.
And their violent crime, their shootings, their murder rates are through the roof because there's no accountability, because they're not enforcing the laws, because they have district attorneys that are being funded by these radical left-wing organizations, Soros.
You know, Soros funded the guy in Philly, the DA.
He funded the woman in St. Louis.
There's a bunch of these district attorneys in cities around the country that are not prosecuting people to break the law.
And then you have legislators that create laws and governors sign off on them like in California.
You know, you could walk into a CVS in California and steal $995 worth of goods and walk out and you cannot be charged.
Anything under $1,000 can be charged.
Wait, can you say that one more time?
Say that one more time.
So you can go in and basically steal up to $999 worth of material out of a store, and nobody's going to charge you with a crime.
This is what city?
What state?
This is California and California.
California today.
Tell me that is not the most pathetic thing you've ever heard.
I can go into a store.
This is a law in California?
No, it's yeah, it's laws.
And prosecutors will not prosecute.
So what is it?
Anything less than $1,000?
Less than a thousand.
So that's so.
Why doesn't anyone just go into any store and just say, oh, I'm taking this?
Well, pretty much they are, and a bunch of stores are closing down.
But here's the problem.
What you have now is a three-pronged problem.
You have legislators and governors that are enacting legislation that handcuff the cops, that bail reform, these bail reform laws.
You can't hold anybody that you're locking up anymore.
That's number one.
Number two, the prosecutors, they're targeting cops more than they're targeting bad guys.
And I think the third thing is handcuffing the cops in general, where you have, for example, in New York City, you have the mayor of New York City, who's basically during the riots last summer, told the cops, take a light touch.
The Blasio.
The Blasio.
Take a light touch on crime.
So you have all that going on.
And then you got this push by Black Lives Matter and Antifa, primarily Black Lives Matter and groups like that, where they're creating this vision that there's systemic racism in policing and that cops primarily target blacks and brown people to go out and shoot them, right?
You know, without cause.
You know, and I sent, I actually said something to Sam.
I don't know if you guys got it.
You got that.
Yeah, they're going to bring up something I want to show you because these are real numbers, okay?
Real numbers that are going on right now.
These are numbers I'm going to show you for 2020.
And in doing that, you know, if you listen to the mainstream media, if you listen to what's being reported, you'll hear people say that cops, you know, they shoot unarmed blacks far more than they shoot unarmed whites.
Okay?
So I'm going to show you something.
Out of close to 50 million police suspect interactions, 50 million, 50 million, there's 10 million arrests in the country last year.
2020.
2020.
So 2020 of interactions leading to a 10 million arrest.
They fatally shot, police fatally shot.
Out of 10 million arrests, they shot 1,021 people.
Okay.
Right?
Out of that number, fatally shot, 983 were male, 38 female.
457 were white.
243 were black, 170 Latino, 151 other.
But here's the interesting number, especially given what you hear in the media.
Those fatally shot numbers, they're coming from the Washington Post, which keeps a major...
From the Washington Post.
That's right.
They keep a major database on fatality shootings dating back to 2015.
Okay.
Washington Post is not friends of the cops.
No, they're not.
They're on the left.
Okay.
Those are the numbers.
The chances of you being shot as a black male today, unarmed, based on last year's numbers, is 0.00018.
Really?
That's systemic?
That's systemic racism?
Come on.
And here's the bottom line.
Cops don't go to communities based on race.
They go to communities based on crime.
What they do is they take a map of a city.
They put a map of a city on a computer like this.
They pin map where that crime is happening.
The dispatching of the police, the police resources, the funding, everything is focused on where the crime is.
There's nothing on there.
that says what color you are in the community.
There's nothing on there that says what religion you are, where you come from, whether you're a citizen or not.
Nothing.
It's strictly based on crime.
So when you look at that big crime map, this is where the crime is.
That's where the cops are going.
And unfortunately, you have cities today like Atlanta, Baltimore, Minneapolis, Chicago, New York City.
They're all, every single one of those cities are run by a Democrat.
They're run by a Democrat, and every single one of them are facing the same issues.
The highest violent crime, highest murder rates, highest shooting rates.
And there's between the laws, between the prosecutors and handcuffing the cops, those numbers are going to continue.
Do you have questions on that?
I've got some stats I want to cover.
Go, go.
I do have some questions.
If you have questions, go on the question.
Well, I do.
And this is, you know, I've seen your interview that you did with Vice, which was very powerful.
Right.
Right.
And have you seen that, Pat?
No, I have not.
Okay, really powerful.
So, you know, this is specifically talked about unarmed shootings, right?
But you've been actually, so I'm almost, this is a question, but it's also kind of singing your praises, but also maybe just kind of trying to understand the logic here.
You're basically saying that there's not systemic racism in the police force, especially when it's concerned with unarmed shootings.
Right, right.
Or violence.
Okay.
Violence.
According to your Vice interview, you know, you were very outspoken that there definitely needs to be prison reform.
Right.
And the steps that are, and you were actually vocal about how blacks were in the system sort of targeted judicially unfairly.
So here's the problem.
Not only am I an advocate, under President Trump, he signed the First Step Act.
I was pretty instrumental in getting that passed.
I was actually in the Oval Office with him when he signed the bill.
And that was to basically create incentives, good time incentives for inmates in federal prison so they would get out sooner without keeping them locked away forever and a bunch of other things.
But to go to your question, here's my problem with the system.
You take areas like, let's take Baltimore, for example.
The DEA goes in and they do these stings, right, where they're going to lock up really bad guys.
Guys are engaged in violence.
Guys are bad guys.
I have no problem with going after the bad guys, the really bad guys, if they're authentically, you know, the villains, right?
But when you have young kids today, 18, 19, 17 years old, they go out there buying dime bags of cocaine, right?
And they get caught up in these conspiracies with these other bad guys.
Well, guess what?
They get charged with the same amount of weight that the bad guy did.
If the guy's doing two kilos a week and you went out and bought three dime bags in a week and they saw you and they witnessed it and they collared you for those three buys, you get charged with the two kilos.
How's that even possible?
Well, that's like.
What's the logic in that?
Like if there is.
There is no logic.
Okay.
There is no logic, and that's my argument.
So what you do is you then take that young kid who had no prior record, you lock him up, and you basically say, look, you're looking at life because that two kilos that get you life.
You're looking at life.
Take a plea for 10 years.
And your defense, your defense lawyer, most of them are provided by the courts.
He says, you got to take the deal.
Take the deal.
You'll be fine.
10 years.
You're not doing life 10 years.
You're 18.
You'll be out when you're 16.
You'll be out when you're 26.
Just take the deal.
Okay, great.
You sign a plea for 10 years.
Okay.
You do eight.
Okay.
You had no criminal record.
You had no criminal background.
You're not a bad kid.
But guess what we did?
We took you and we put you into a system that's full of monsters, right?
What is prison?
Prison is a training ground for thuggery, criminality.
You learn how to steal, cheat, lie, manipulate.
It's like business school for thugs.
It's a business school for thugs and violence, right?
You need to survive.
You need to learn how to fight.
You get into a verbal altercation, and the end of that is usually somebody getting knifed, pummeled, cut.
That's the bottom line.
That's what we did.
We took that 18-year-old kid who had no violence, no problems.
We put him into this system.
And then at 26, we sent him home.
And legislators in Washington have sat around in circle jerks for the past 30 years.
They can't figure out why the recidivism rate isn't dropping.
What's this word, recidivism?
Revisiting.
Revisiting jail.
So the recidivism rate isn't dropping because these guys have no choice but to revert to crime.
They come out after 26 years.
And I had kids in prison that I was teaching classes to, and I would say, you know, you got to get your GED.
You got to try to get some college when you get out.
And they would look at me and they'd say, Camish, I'm black.
I'm a convicted felon.
I'm not going to be able to get a job.
That GED is not going to help me.
And here's the sad thing.
For the most part, they're right.
They're right.
They're right.
Well, the question for you, because when you have a felony on your record, you're fucked.
No, you're fucked.
And they know it.
Right.
And they know it.
So it's like, all right, what's the point of getting the GED, the high school degree?
Because once I'm a felon, that's going to follow me for life.
Any job they ask you to perception.
Have you ever been convicted of a felony?
Yes, fuck that candidate.
I mean, is that basically what happens?
That's exactly what happens.
Very sad.
And nobody gets it.
Nobody, you know, everybody talks a good game in the legislators, you know, oh, you know, we want to do this.
We want to do this.
You know what?
You know, getting that first step act signed by President Trump, it was a major headache.
If it wasn't for Jared Kushner and a whole cadre of people around him that fought like hell with these legislators, that thing would have never got signed.
Never.
And it's still not enough.
It's far from enough.
But Obama was doing stuff too.
I know you're not a fan of Obama, but I know you're working on it.
I worked with the Obama administration trying to get it done, trying to get it done.
I spent, I was in the White House physically four or five times during the Obama administration, trying to get it done, trying to get these guys to work together.
And, you know, listen, I am, I am, these days, I think everybody, you know, for the exception of maybe five people out of all of Congress, you know, the senators, the congressmen, they're all full of shit.
You know, they tell you one thing privately.
You know, oh, it's the right thing to do.
You're right.
You're 100% right.
You're And they walk out the door.
They stand up at a press conference.
And they say, well, we're not sure.
We don't know.
We'll have to look at it.
You know, there are issues.
They have to kind of defend their position, their political parties.
They not only defend their position, but they're basically, you know, some guy didn't sign off on a bill that this guy wants.
Well, it's revenge time.
So now I'm not going to sign his shit because he didn't sign mine.
It's pretty ugly.
Let me just, some people are asking right now, saying, Pat, fact check, fact check, fact check.
I'm going to give you some stories here.
An Instagram post went viral the other day, right?
It had 100, I don't know, 18,000 likes, Kai, whatever the number was, with a post on the days without police killings in 2021, right?
USA Today story.
If you can pull up that Instagram post so people can see it, the claim on April 18th, there had only been three days in 2021 where police did not kill someone, okay?
In the wake of high-profile fatal shootings at the hands of law enforcement in areas such as Columbus, Ohio, Chicago, some users have taken a social media highlight number of police-related shootings in the first quarter of 2021.
One white viral post presented statistics on the matter.
There have only been three days, if you want to pull it up, there have only been three days in 2020.
I'm on page seven.
There's only been three days in 2021 where police did not kill someone.
Reads an April 20th Instagram post with over 118,000 likes.
While the data presented in the claims is accurate based on U.S. Today's research, experts note that there are certain factors to keep in mind where they're looking at such data as state law standards and police department policies, which govern where police is allowed to use deadly force.
Officers legally are given the authority to use deadly force to defend themselves or others from an imminent threat.
When we dig into this data, what we see most of the time is that the person was posing some type of deadly threat, some type of deadly threat.
Says Justin Nix, an associate professor of criminology and criminal justice at the University of Nebraska.
This continues to go into New York.
I don't know if you can find a post or not, Kai.
Okay, why don't you just, when you click on it, does it go somewhere or no?
When it says Instagram posts, click on that.
There you go.
That's the dates.
Okay.
So 118,000 likes.
It shows three days, which was January 14th, January 23rd.
January 16th, January 23rd, March 2nd, the only three days that somebody didn't die.
More of those three days.
I can't see it so good.
Great.
If you look at gray, it's zero.
So January 23rd and March 1st.
It could be.
Okay.
It could be.
But by the way, if you look at this number and the data that you gave, the data that you gave was what?
It was 1,021.
Which divided by 365 is about three a day.
Three a day.
Okay, so the average is three a day, which means you're going to have some zeros, but you're going to average around one to three a day.
One to three a day in England.
That's in all of America.
But that's, here's where people, they have no fucking common sense.
Think of the numbers, okay?
10 million arrests annually.
That's people that are.
2020.
That's physically people that are arrested, okay?
To get to that number, you're going to have five to ten times the interactions.
You don't arrest everybody you stop, right?
So you have five to ten interactions per arrest, okay?
So between 50 million interactions, you have 10 million arrests, you have 1,021 people fatally shot, okay?
That's two or three a day.
In 50 states, and there's 850,000 police officers.
That is far from systemic.
But people don't, they don't get it.
You're saying it's a spin job.
It's a big spin job.
You know, this is data.
You live in a world where it's all about data.
It's all about data, right?
The Data King right here.
Yeah, no, he is the Data King.
So when you look at stuff like this, you have to look at it realistically, not through the scope of some right-wing or left-wing lunatic.
The bottom line is, look at the data.
You can't hide dead bodies.
You can't.
You cannot hide dead bodies.
You cannot hide.
I mean, it's not tough to come up with a statistic of how many times the police has had an interaction with somebody.
That's an easy data to pull nowadays.
And how many times it's led to an arrest?
50 million to 10 million.
That's 20%.
By the way, I went online while he's giving me the numbers.
I'm doing my own research.
So if you're listening to this, you ought to be doing the same thing as well.
The Washington Post article I found, you can easily find the article because some people are saying, give me the link, go online, type in the numbers, you'll find it.
Matter of fact, Kai, why don't you share the article so they can find as well?
I want to continue.
I want to continue with this, okay?
Because this obviously got a lot of interaction.
This got a lot of people to be talking about it.
Can you go to Changes Instagram?
I want to know.
Go to Change.
Click on that right there.
Yeah, go to it.
So change is sustainable fabrics, fair trade production, carbon-neutral clothing.
They're going to say, okay, so we already know what they stand.
Be critical of right-wing government and Israel.
Okay, we know where they stand.
So let me read this other article that has to.
This is a New York Post article about New York.
Data proves it.
Pandemic is no excuse for New York City's rising tide of violent crime.
Earlier this month, four New Yorkers were shot dead in four incidents with 24 hours, followed by a triple shooting in Times Square.
This is a 1980s level crime, and the city is getting used to it with alarming alars.
Alarcity.
No, it's not alar city.
Alacrity.
Alacrity.
Bill de Blasio's answer to this is that there's not much we can do.
Our entire lives were turned upside down, a global pandemic and a perfect storm.
He says.
So he hasn't acted with much urgency as the murder rate rose 47% last year to a total of 468 people killed and has risen this year so far by 17%.
This is just New York is what we're talking about.
The rest of the world is demonstrating the obvious.
Murders and other crimes should be down during a pandemic, right?
Look at the statistics here.
So folks, if you're listening to this, New York is up.
The rest of the world is down.
In London, the murder rate fell 16% during the pandemic.
In Italy, it dropped by 14%.
In Japan, it dropped by 10%.
In France, it dropped by 2%.
And even in Mexico, it dropped by half a percent.
So what is wrong with us?
Not just New York, but the country as a whole with urban murder rates up 30% last year.
One answer is that compared to Europe and Japan, we have more guns.
That's been a crisis for decades.
Yet, it isn't new.
What is new in New York and the rest of the country is that we have effectively halted all preventative policing.
We have also effectively stopped all incarceration of suspects and criminals short of murder.
So what do you have to say to this article by New York Post?
What did it say?
478 homicides.
468.
468 last year.
47%.
Okay.
So let me give you a number.
In 1993, there were 2,200 murders in New York City.
2,200 in 1993.
Okay.
There was no fucking pandemic.
This ain't about a pandemic.
This is about thugs being victimized.
This is about an administration, de Blasio's administration, that has handcuffed the cops.
He took a billion dollars out of their budget.
He took 600 plain clothes anti-crime cops off the streets.
When you work in plain clothes, and I work plain clothes as a cop, okay?
I'm not talking about narcotics.
If you're in a plain clothes unit in New York City, you're holding.
Can you explain what a plain clothes is to folks who don't know?
What's plain clothes?
All right, let me give you an example.
Times Square, where we first met.
First time I ever met, you was in Times Square.
Taxis, yellow cabs.
Everybody sees a yellow cab in Times Square.
Well, let me tell you an old trick.
I'll give you some old trivia.
If you see a cab and the number on the cab in the middle letter was an R, and the last two numbers were the same, right, on that cab, the three people that's riding in that cab, usually there'll be a driver and two people in the back seat.
Those are cops.
Okay.
They're in plain clothes.
They're in yellow cabs.
Or they're in plain clothes.
They're in unmarked cars.
When you say plain clothes, they're dressed like you.
They're driving them.
They're dressed like usually it's jeans, sneakers, a vest, you know, a jacket, whatever the case may be.
They blend in.
They look like anybody else.
May have a beard, not beard, whatever.
Bottom line, here's their job.
Their whole function in life is to look for guns and respond to what we call hot jobs.
Robbery in progress, shooting in progress, shots fired, somebody getting stabbed, whatever the case may be.
Their job is violence.
That's all their job is.
Bill de Blasio took 600 of them, all of them, all the plainclothes units in New York City, took them off the street.
600 of them.
Why would he do something like that?
He put them back in uniform.
Why?
What's the matter?
He said they were a threat to the communities.
In what way?
I don't know.
I don't.
What's the speculation, though?
Even the speculation, what is the speculation?
My speculation is he's a moron.
That's my speculation.
Very deep of the.
He's got to have some justification for stats.
I don't care what his stats is.
I don't care.
I don't know.
I'm asking.
Well, because it's almost like it's not fair.
People should know you're a cop.
You shouldn't be hiding like you're not a cop.
Maybe that's what it is, like transparency.
That's the whole point of being undercover.
Here's the bottom line.
He takes a billion dollars out of the budget.
He takes 600 cops out of the streets, plain clothes unit cops.
Their whole function in life is to look for guns, takes them out, and basically opens up Rikers, lets people off Rikers, institutes these laws with the city council and the governor where they're not going to, all the things that Pat just talked about, right?
You know, they're not locking them up.
They're letting them out.
They're not holding them for bail.
All that stuff.
So here's the bottom line.
Would you say the numbers last year, 660?
460?
468.
468.
2,200 in 1993, okay?
Between 1993, I left office in 2002, January 2002.
We dropped that homicide number from 2,200.
I walked out of office.
I think my number was 671.
Under Mayor Bloomberg, we got it down to 371, 370, something like that.
I had a 65% reduction in violent crime, a 70% reduction in homicide, and an 80% reduction in homicide in the black communities where the violence was the highest.
So what did you do during that time that they can be doing today?
What were some of the strategies and tactics you guys used?
Everything they're not doing today.
Which is what?
Basically, I'd have plainclothes cops out there.
If I was the police commissioner today, right, I would go to the mayor and say, I want the billion dollars back.
I want two new classes of 2,000 each in class.
I want 4,000 more cops than you have.
I had 55,000 people that work for me in the NYPD, 41,000 of those who were uniformed.
Today, I think they're around 36,000.
Why?
You have a bigger population in New York City today than you did 20 years ago.
Why do they have less cops working today?
That's crazy.
And keep this in mind.
Here's what people, in all those cities I mentioned earlier, whether it's Atlanta, Baltimore, these are gorgeous.
Some of these are gorgeous cities, right?
Nobody wants to live, visit, work, or go to school in a place where they're not safe.
Nobody wants to move into a neighborhood where they got to put their kids to bed in bathtubs to protect them from gun violence.
That's the bottom line.
For every percentage point, Giuliani and I and the other commissioners, for every percentage point we reduced violence and homicide, I could show you increases in economic development, real estate value, and tourism.
Every percentage point.
It is the bottom line.
You know, a lot of the advocates and these left-wing lunatics will jump on this totem pole saying, this is all socioeconomic.
We need better jobs.
We need better schools.
We need whatever we need.
They'll talk all this shit, right?
Bottom line is, you're not getting none of that.
You're not getting none.
You're not getting better jobs.
You're not getting better schools.
As long as you have the highest violence and crime and the highest murder rate in your city, you're not getting none of that other stuff.
Why would somebody build a small business over there?
What risk am I going to take?
That's exactly right.
Who's going to put a business there?
Who's going to create jobs?
You think Apple is going to put a flagship store on the south side of Chicago?
No, they're not.
The bottom line is you have to fix the violence and the murder rate.
So let me continue because, okay, so Bernard, to be fair with the audience, you would consider yourself a Republican.
You would say you're a Republican yourself.
Okay, so you're Republican.
New York Post is a center-right newspaper.
A post is New York Times is left.
New York Post is right.
Let's just kind of, so I just read to you stats from New York Post.
So somebody may say, and USA Today is left, but New York Post is not.
USA Today is center.
I'd say USA Today is center left.
I think Wall Street Journal today is center, center right.
Yeah, so New York Post is right.
Now, next one, NPR.
What is NPR?
Far left.
Certainly left.
Far left, right?
So this next story I'm reading to you is from NPR.
Massive one-year rise and homicide rates collided with the pandemic in 2020.
This is an NPR story, and they have a data.
If you want to pull up that link right there so they can see it, open for visual data, Kai, I'll pull it up so they can see it.
At the end of 2020, Chicago police reported more than 750 murders.
Okay, this is 2020 during the pandemic.
A jump of more than 50% compared to 2019.
People were out and about in 2019.
People stayed home in 2020.
How the hell is murders up 50% in Chicago from 2020 to 2019?
By mid-December, LA saw a rise of 30% over the previous year with 322 homicides.
There were 437 homicides in New York City by December 20th, nearly 40% higher than previous year.
New Orleans-based data consultant Jeff Asher studied crime rates in more than 50 cities and says the crime spikes aren't just happening in big cities.
With the numbers of homicides spiking in many places, Asher expects the final statistic for 2020 to tell a startling grim story.
We're going to see historically the largest one-year rise in murder that we've ever seen.
Asher says it's been more than half a century since the country saw a year-to-year murder rate that jumped nearly 13 percent.
This is NPR.
This isn't New York Post.
This isn't Wall Street Journal.
This is NPR.
And here's your answer.
The answer is, this has nothing to do with the pandemic, in my opinion.
This has to do with every one of those cities where I was talking about, Chicago included.
You know, Chicago, you're not allowed to chase a bad guy.
You know that, right?
You know, the mayor said, the mayor of Chicago, Muriel Bowser, says you can't, you have to get permission from a supervisor to run.
We're not talking fucking car chases.
We're talking about running after someone.
You're not allowed to chase them unless you get a supervisor's permission.
Okay?
That's the kind of shit that is killing the police.
What the hell does that even mean?
What is your job?
Well, I don't know.
Guy's committing a crime.
Can I get an approval?
Let me get approval from the top of management.
10 minutes later, the guy's already committed to crime.
You can't chase him in a car.
You can't chase him on foot.
You can't confront them.
There's no stop, question, and frisk.
Nobody wants that anymore.
Basically, they don't want you to do anything.
That's the problem.
That's the problem.
This is not about a pandemic.
This is about a change in the way we deal with the criminal element.
Well, here's what Bloomberg comes out.
And Bloomberg, we know, is a left-wing side, but they're pretty reasonable.
I think when it comes down to economics, they're center.
I like to get Bloomberg's facts.
But when it comes down to it, Bloomberg ran as a Democrat for office, and he's got a media empire.
This is the story.
New York City's violent crimes is up.
So is the city's police budget.
Would you consider Bloomberg a decent mayor for New York City?
He was.
He was.
Okay, fair enough.
So protests calling to defund the police have become a familiar side in New York City.
But this year, if Mayor de Blasio gets his way, one of America's most progressive cities will actually send more dollars to the NYPD than it did a year ago.
This is a story from yesterday.
Despite promises to strip a billion dollars from the city's law enforcement budget, which gained national attention in the wake of George Floyd's murder last year, de Blasio slashed less than half that as part of a broader round of pandemic cuts and a spending plan for fiscal 2020 to announce this month keeps police headcount and operations intact, leaving any major shake-ups of the force up to whoever succeeds the term limit mayor in January.
But now, with shootings in March up 77% over last year, let me say that one more time.
Shootings in March of 2021 up 77% from last year and an influx of more than $4 billion in federal stimulus funds available for mental health, at-risk youth, and other social programs.
The notion of taking police officers off the streets has become less politically palatable for the mayor and the dozens or so candidates vying to replace him next year.
New York is the largest police department in the U.S. and has amongst the highest number of officers per capita.
There were 436 officers per 100,000 in the city in 2019 compared to 249 in L.A. or 233 in Houston, according to the FBI.
So even de Blasio is sitting there saying, maybe I screwed up.
What do you think?
Of course he screwed up and they all know it.
All you had to do was look at Minneapolis.
Minneapolis is the first one that started this whole defunding mess, right?
They wanted to defund it.
They wanted to diminish.
They wanted to annihilate the police department.
They defunded to an extent.
They also wanted to bring in social services instead of cops and all this nonsense, right?
Well, last month or two months ago, they had to basically come out and say, okay, yeah, we screwed up.
We got to refund what we defunded.
We need 200 immediate cops back on the street.
We need ABC.
The bottom line is the funding isn't going to work.
I don't know what the mentality was behind defunding, but it's not going to work.
Everything I predicted when Minneapolis started defunding, everything I've said, everything I've predicted has come true.
You defund, you diminish their budget, you take away staffing, you take away resources.
And here's the absurd thing.
You take away their training, right?
So for the past 30 years, we've tried to train cops to do everything under the sun.
You want de-escalation.
You want verbal judo.
You want less lethal force.
You want to give them non-lethal force tools.
Every single thing that we've tried to give them to make their job better, make them less confrontational, make it work easier in communities.
Well, now we're going to defund it.
We're going to take all that shit back.
Really?
It makes it absolutely easy.
It makes no sense.
You know what I think about like a source?
Imagine you were a cop working for the guy.
What are you thinking?
What are you thinking?
You're thinking they're morons.
No, but I'm actually like literally, yes, you're thinking they're morons, but what are you thinking?
Are you sitting there saying, man, am I going to do a bang-up job for this guy?
Like, imagine that relationship.
Like, you know, this guy cannot stand you.
This guy wants to get rid of you, but he also knows he needs you.
But at the same time, with the media, he's kind of have to.
You're talking about the mayor right now?
No, no, no, no.
I'm talking about.
I'm talking about.
Well, hold on.
Yeah.
Hold on.
Think about this, though.
The city council members.
They have cops.
They have drivers.
The city officials.
The mayor.
He has a protective detail that probably ranges somewhere around 25 people.
Those cops that work for him despise him.
Really?
I know many of them.
I know many of them.
They despise him.
They can't stand him.
And they can't stand him because he's anti-cop, he's anti-PD.
He hates them.
He despises them.
How do they work?
On a daily basis.
But they have a job to do.
They have a job to do.
Just imagine like you're working for a guy that hates you, hates what you stand for.
But on a personal level.
And not interacting with them.
And I think you have the city council in New York City.
They basically brutalize the NYPD on a daily basis.
Brutalize them on a daily basis.
How do you interact with them?
You have a job to do.
You go out and you do your job.
It doesn't make any difference who's on the other end.
I respect the guys that are doing it.
For me, when I joined the military, I knew nothing about it.
Like when I went to the military, it wasn't because my dad was a general or SAR major or I'm going to go follow my dad's footsteps.
I went in the military because I couldn't wait to get out of L.A. and I just got in and I went into the Army and then I realized what some of these guys had to do and the sacrifices they made.
My appreciation for soldiers went to a whole different level, a lot on what they had to sacrifice.
Cops, man, who the hell wants to be a cop today?
Who wakes up in the morning wanting to be a cop today?
Your son is a cop in Jersey, right?
In Newark.
What's he telling you?
What's he saying?
Like, does he tell you what's changed in the last 12 months on how much crazier it is, how they treat him?
Do they treat him with respect?
Is he seeing some?
Well, I got to be honest.
His supervisors in Newark, his boss, actually, who just retired, Anthony Ambrose, was the police director in Newark until about a month ago.
And I have to admit, in the last, I think, two years, Anthony Ambrose brought down Newark's violent crime the lowest it's been in 50 years, 40 years.
Tremendous job.
But how did he do it?
He did it exactly the way New York City dropped crime over the last 20 years, right, prior to the Blasio.
Same stuff.
Phenomenal boss.
My son, you know, has a lot of respect for him, what he did during his time.
Newark's a rough place.
It's one of the most violent crime-ridden cities in the state of New Jersey.
He happens to be on their SWAT team.
He's been on the team.
He's a team leader.
He's been on their team for about 10 years.
It's crazy.
He's 35, 36 years old, and he's been on the job 16.
Looks just like you, by the way.
No, you know, yeah.
What a good looking guy.
A lot of fucking people.
Good looking guy.
Pull him up.
He became a cop when he was 20 years old.
He became a cop when he was 19.
Went on the job when he was 19.
He started in Patterson, which was another rough place.
He's from Patterson, New Jersey.
Is that where Corey Booker's from?
No, Corey Booker is from Newark.
Newark, all right.
There it is.
Yeah, I was born in Newark, and I was raised in Patterson.
And yeah, he went on at 19 in Patterson.
And then he got laid off.
And, you know, the father that I am, you know, I'm thinking, I'll get him a great job in Ridgewood, New Jersey, gorgeous town, small town, you know, make good money.
I called him up to my house and I had him sit down.
I said, listen, dude, where do you want to go?
I says, I got some great recommendations.
He goes, no, I know where I'm going.
I said, where are you going?
He says, I'm going to Newark.
I said, what are you on?
Fucking drugs like Newark?
Like, what's the matter with you?
You're going to Newark?
He goes, I said, think of the money.
Like, these other cops make a third more than you do.
He said, I'm laughing.
He says, yeah.
I'm talking to the guy that was the warden of the Passaic County Jail and left and went bankrupt to join the NYPD.
I said, okay, all right.
Yeah, granted.
But think of the violence.
Think of the violence.
And this is his response to me.
He says that when your wife has geese in a swimming pool out back, she calls the cops.
He goes, I'm not chasing geese around a fucking swimming pool.
He goes, I can't do it.
He says, I gotta, he says, I can't do it.
He says, I just gotta, you know, I like.
He's got a need for speed.
I like what I do.
I like the guy.
Genetics.
Genetics.
I would have been the geese guy.
I'm not gonna lie.
I would have been the geese guy.
Catch it, APB.
We got 16 geese right out of here.
I would have been the geese guy.
You know, today.
Bye.
Today.
Did you see the geese attack?
Did you see the kid and the teacher having a, you know, he's not a kid, a 19-year-old young adult who had the exchange with his teacher where the teacher was saying bad things about the cop.
This guy was defending it.
Did you see that exchange?
Yes.
Did you see it?
You haven't seen it?
Can you put that video on?
I want to show this.
It's two minutes.
I want you to watch it.
So the teacher and another student are not for the cops.
This one student stands up and says, I think cops have a very hard job.
Okay, Pat, can he, there's something else, though, that you should look at.
Just to show your viewers the mentality of the far left.
In that case, that was a professor.
Professor.
That was a professor in a college.
Okay, that's number one.
But number two, there's a car stop.
There's a car stop that went viral about a week ago.
And in that car stop, there is a teacher.
She basically stopped.
She's stopped by an L.A. sheriff.
You'll never be white.
You'll never be sure.
Come on, Discussion.
Can we bring up the military interaction with the cops?
But I want to show this.
If you've never seen this, I want to get your reaction to this.
I know he's seen it.
So, Kai, do me a favor.
Who to playback speed increase that to 1.5 and La Tai's on the ball today, ladies and gentlemen.
So, what is your like, what is your main concern?
Since, I mean, honestly, the whole reason police is, I mean, who is she?
The teacher?
She's a teacher.
Because the whole reason we have police departments in the first place, where did it stem from, what's our history, going back to what Jeremy was talking about?
What does it stem from?
It stems from people in the South wanting to capture runaway space.
Maybe they shouldn't be heroes.
Maybe they don't belong on a kid's show.
So I disagree with what Jeremy said about it because I think cops are heroes and they have to have a difficult job, but we have to have a lot of, I mean, I'd say a good majority of them.
You have bad people in every business and everybody.
A lot of police officers have committed atrocious crimes and have gotten away with it and have never been convicted of any of it.
And I hate to have a person who has family members.
Who are police officers?
This is a teacher, Professor.
And this is what I believe.
This is my opinion.
And this is not popular to say, but I do support our police.
And we have bad people in the people that do bad things should be brought to justice.
I agree with that.
But I think that, say, I'm saying again.
They haven't.
Well, I agree with you on that point of they should, right?
So what is your bottom line point?
You're saying police officers should be revered?
Jesus?
I'm very angry.
I think they are heroes in a sense because they come to your need and they come and help you and they have problems just like every other business, but we should fix that.
But they're heroes.
Well, they're not.
I think that's a problem.
It's looking at it as a business.
Because they're actually supposed to protect and serve the people.
Who do we call when we're in trouble and someone has a knife or a gun?
I wouldn't call the police.
Why wouldn't you call the police?
I don't trust them.
My license.
More dangerous.
Who would you call?
And their presence.
Professor, who would you call?
I wouldn't call anybody.
She's a fucking nut.
See, she's a fucking nut.
How do you deal?
Time to go.
Okay.
I'm not going to be a hundred.
Home of police is kind of just, you know.
And I know that it's not popular for me to say that to you guys and people in here, but that's what I believe about the police.
Okay.
Thank you.
I appreciate it.
You've got to respect this guy, though, man.
Just hold his kid.
Probably 19 years old, Kai, if you want to pause it.
Probably 19 years old taking a stand and saying that and the teacher saying I wouldn't call the cops.
What do you mean you're not going to call the cops?
When you call the cops, it's not a report.
I don't know if I'm going to go to the bathroom.
I'll fight it myself.
Can I ask you a couple of rapid-fire questions?
I'm sure we got to move on.
Rapid fire.
Bing, Give a grade to Mayor Giuliani, Mayor Bloomberg, and Mayor Bill de Blasio.
Giuliani, a 10.
Mayor Bloomberg, I'd say a 10.
Mayor de Blasio, two.
Why is he not a one?
He's a fucking zero.
I don't know.
All right, whatever.
Giuliani, fall from grace?
That's a question, Mark.
No.
You think he's still doing all right?
He's doing fine.
I talk to him on a daily basis.
He's doing okay.
Okay.
A couple rapid-fire questions.
Magic wand, magic wand.
If you could change the image of the police, how would you do it?
I wouldn't.
I change the image of the communities.
I'd start teaching young kids today that you can't violate the law, that you can't attack cops, that you can't resist arrest.
You can't interfere with another arrest.
I'd start teaching kids in the communities things that maybe they don't know, maybe they do.
But the bottom line is many of the interactions that go negative in policing, they start with a suspect that did something wrong or is suspected of doing something wrong, and then they resist.
And if they didn't resist, we wouldn't have that overall confrontation that occurred.
Are cops asked to do too much?
Yeah, honestly, they're asked to do a lot.
I wouldn't say too much.
They do the best they can under the circumstances.
Okay, last question.
You were the commissioner of New York City, NYPD, aka Gotham.
You got Batman, you got Robin right behind you.
They were running the streets of Gotham.
What are your thoughts on what's going on behind you?
You know, it's a crazy time.
Crazy world.
No, literally behind you right there.
Oh, no.
I like this guy, bro.
I like this guy better.
I like this guy better.
You like Batman better than the Joker.
Yeah.
So let's talk about what's going on with Israel and Palestine.
Because I think a lot of people are asking us to talk about that topic, and I think we need to, especially, Adam, you haven't been there multiple times and you being your family from Israel.
Yes, so let's go to page 11.
Here we go.
Page 11.
Okay, is it page 11 or is it page 12?
12, sir.
Okay, page 12.
Senior Hamas commander killed as Israel strikes Gaza.
Palestines fire rockets.
This is a Reuters story.
The worst violence since 2014 between Israel and Palestinians showed no sign of letting up Wednesdays.
Continued Israeli attacks and Hamas rocketed the rocket fires prompted the U.S. and the United Nations to warn the conflict could mushroom into full-scale war.
Israeli bomb, Israel's bombing campaign in Gaza has now killed 53 people, including 14 children, and injured more than 300 people, according to the Gaza-based Palestinian Health Ministry.
Israel's Shinbet Security Service said the brigade commander of Gaza City was among senior members of Islamic Islamist Islamist militant group Hamas who had been killed.
Militants in Gaza have been fought and have fired more than a thousand rockets into Israel, killing six Israeli civilians, injuring more than 200 others.
The Israeli military said Wednesday around 130 rockets hit Tel Aviv last night, forcing Israel's main international airport, Ben Gurion, to close.
Many of the rockets were intercepted by Israel's Iron Dome, which, by the way, what a system they have with the Iron Dome air defense system.
But several struck Tel Aviv, setting a bus ablaze and killing one Israeli woman.
Thousands of Israel spent the night in bomb shelters in Gaza, which has few bomb shelters and no air defense systems.
Several buildings and apartments were damaged by Israeli airstrikes.
One of those strikes brought a multi-story tower block tumbling down.
The Israeli defense forces said the building was a stronghold of Hamas military intelligence and weapon research.
I will go to you first, Adam.
Tell us what are your thoughts on this.
Well, obviously it's tragic what's going on, but go a little deeper.
Tell us what's going on.
Of course, this is a sad situation, but unfortunately, it's nothing new, all right?
I mean, this is the first flare-up since what, 2014.
But I think we've all seen what's going on with Israel and Palestine, and it stemmed from the war 1948, the Six-Day War, when Israel became a state, and Egypt and Jordan, and Palestinians, everyone attacked them.
And in six days, this little country called Israel defended themselves.
And they did it in the war of 67 and 71, and then just the Yom Kippur War.
And somehow, this little magical country, Israel, exists in the sea of Muslim countries all around them.
So, first and foremost, Israel does have a right to defend themselves.
Let me just state that.
Number two, this is not a black and white issue.
So, me being Jewish, like obviously people are going to say, oh, you're biased, and that's obviously you're going to support Israel.
But I will say that there are parts of Israel that I don't necessarily agree with.
So, for instance, the Palestinian, the Israeli settlements that they're trying to essentially take over from these Palestinians families who have been there forever.
These settlers are definitely aggressive.
And it's hard not to sympathize with somebody who's been living in the same house for decades.
And now, settlers come in and say, Well, the government says it's my house now, and thank you for being here.
What the hell would you do if you lived in that house for 30, 40, 50 years and you're Palestinian?
You think you're giving your house up without a fight?
Are you kidding me?
So, that's on a micro issue.
From a macro perspective, here's how I kind of look at it.
You know, they say, like, don't bring a knife to a gunfight.
Well, Palestinians are bringing rocks to a literal rocket fight.
So, you know, I used this analogy with Ricky the other day, and he's like, what the hell's going on there?
You know, Ricky's a big dude.
And it'd be like if Dylan, because Dylan was there, kept coming up to Ricky, who's a big guy, and hitting him and punching him and kicking him.
Yeah, he's only seven years old, but at some point, you're going to hit back.
So, you know, Palestinians are throwing rocks.
You know, they're literally launching rockets.
And Israel is going to only take it to a certain extent when they said, listen, you do that again, and we're going to, excuse my language, kick your fucking ass.
And that's essentially what it is.
That's essentially what Netanyahu said.
Yes, exactly.
So at some point, if, you know, and I'm not comparing Palestinians to a seven-year-old, but in terms of strength, they're no comparison to what the Palestinian or the PLO or Hamas has compared to what Israel has.
But at some point, look, it's such a tough situation that I do actually sympathize with the Palestinians.
And I've been to Israel.
I'm Jewish.
I have family that lives in Israel.
I have a cousin of mine who moved from Detroit to join the IDF.
So yes, I have some bias here, but I do understand the plight of the Palestinians.
If you're constantly a second-class citizen in where you live, how do you expect to react?
So this goes down to another macro perspective, the one-state or the two-state solution.
So John Kerry, who was, was John Kerry's secretary of the state?
Secretary of State.
Okay.
So he said the Jewish people cannot, if you do a one-state solution, you're familiar with the one-state, two-state solution.
If you do a one-state solution, because there's more Arabs living in Israel than Jews.
He said if you do a one-state solution, Israel can no longer be Jewish and or democratic.
It cannot be both.
So a two-state solution, both have the right to exist.
The problem is, and I'll turn it over to Bernie after this.
The problem is there's people in Hamas who are a terrorist organization that are running Palestine, the Palestinian terrorists.
The United States has labeled the people running the Palestinian territory a terrorist organization, Hamas.
They do not believe that Israel has a right to exist.
Just like how in Iran, the people running the Azerbaijan and Army, there's a bunch of them.
They do not believe that Israel has the right to exist.
So on a fundamental basis, if you do not believe the country, if you're not, exactly, Azerbaijan doesn't believe Armenia has a right to exist.
That's what you're saying.
If you're saying that you don't believe a country has a right to exist and you're doing everything to usurp their listen, I understand that, you know, Trevor Noah, you know, Trevor Noah, I don't know when you heard what he said, you know, he was like, well, if when I was younger and I was an older brother and I would beat up my younger siblings, my mom would say, but mom, they hit me first.
And mom would say, but that's your brother.
Why are you hitting him?
All this other.
So why are you hitting them?
The difference here is this is not your brother.
Like, this is not like, this is a very different situation.
You know what?
They're not hitting them either.
The Hamas, I think you said, fired over a thousand rockets.
A thousand rockets.
If it wasn't for the Iron Dome, they would have killed hundreds, hundreds of Israelis.
Thousands, potentially.
No, no.
Potentially thousands.
Potentially thousands.
Of course.
Thousands of rockets they shot, right?
The bottom line is we're not talking about a fist fight.
We're not talking about somebody getting hit.
We're talking about deadly physical force.
If you infuse that force, if you go out.
It doesn't matter who you are.
It doesn't matter who you are.
It doesn't matter what the argument is.
You know, there's ways to deal with the argument.
You know, there's a hundred ways to deal with the argument.
And I think the UN, for once, should probably do a better job.
They've never done a good job, but they should be doing more to rectify the internal issues.
But the bottom line is, you can't shoot rockets into Israel, deadly rockets, and anticipate they're not going to shoot back.
Yeah, just think about it.
Like Netanyahu's press conference.
Well, look, to the Israeli people, I'd like to speak to you.
I know we got bombed, and I know we had 100 rockets that were shot our way in a span of five minutes or 10 minutes, whatever the number was.
They're a smaller army than us.
We shouldn't retaliate.
God talked about forgiveness.
You should forgive them.
He would not be like that.
No, no, what I'm saying to you is forget it's Netanyahu.
Say Biden gives that speech.
We're America.
Yes, 9-11 happened, but we shouldn't retaliate.
No, no, this country is not retaliation.
Say you're any country.
If a prime minister says that, what do you say?
You're the voter.
You're fired.
That's what I'm saying.
You're a mother with three kids, and the only thing a mother thinks about with their kids is the S-word.
What is it?
Security and safety, right?
You want me to sit there and say, well, Netanyahu, this is why this Israeli, they're too aggressive.
They're too this, they're too that.
What is the alternative?
To look the other way when you're looking.
And is that going to cause Hamas and Palestine to stop?
No, they're not.
They're going to continue doing what they're doing.
So my challenge with this is when you get into topics like this, you'll get people from both sides.
You know, cannot believe you said this, Ken.
This is not about me taking Israel's side or Palestine's side.
If you're going to do something like this, you best do something like this knowing you can beat Israel.
You can't.
If you're going to start a fight, you better believe you can finish the fight.
What is the point of starting a fight if you know it's not going to favor you?
It's emotion.
Like something that I've had to learn here, being a part of Ali Taymi and everything, is try to be more logical, not emotional.
Can you imagine the emotion of somebody?
They killed my grandson.
They took my house.
You're running on pure emotion.
You think there's logic behind their actions?
They're mad.
They're angry.
They're upset.
They're still angry that someone killed their cousin from 40 years ago, and they're harboring that anger.
What do you expect them to do?
No, I don't.
And I'm not defending.
I'm not justifying their actions.
And Armenia went up against Azerbaijan.
Azerbaijan's got five times the amount of budget you got with backing of Erdogan, Turkey, the largest military in the Middle East, while Putin doesn't have the backing of Armenia.
Putin does business with Turkey.
You think Putin's going to take the side of Armenia, back him up?
Who's going to defend Palestine?
And Hamas to say, hey, you're going to go up against Israel.
We'll back you up and go defend a war against Israel.
The most ridiculous air force in the world, one of the best military technology ridiculous.
Hamas, the most insane secret intelligence.
You want to go up against somebody like that?
The idea?
Well, I don't know about that.
To Bernie's point, and you bring up an amazing point here, the fact that Israel, 10 years ago, they invented this iron dome, which essentially is a missile defense mechanism that with 90 plus percent accuracy can shoot down rockets that are coming over its border.
Imagine if they didn't have that.
That's what I'm saying.
Imagine if they didn't have that and thousands of missiles landed in the country.
People are protesting Israel.
They're using force.
They're using force.
Imagine if a thousand people die.
Would Israel have the justification to do what they want to do?
No, of course, but here's a completely different story here.
I'm going to go a completely different angle.
You know what that dome did to me when I saw it?
What did it do to you when you saw that?
Forget about when you saw it.
like you know how you see it in the videos like boom you're like yeah what did you think about when you saw that you I've seen that for years, but I get that.
But when you see it, what do you think about the ridiculous technology?
Okay, you think about safety.
You think about, wow, that's pretty sick.
You think about the direction we're going where security and safety from doing wars is gone.
Meaning, if you want to bomb a place, those days the technology is getting so advanced that countries are going to be able to put a bio, you know, this kind of a dome over where a person is.
Well, it's not a literal dome.
I know.
People think of that.
It's called the death.
Think of this.
Think of this, you know, and I have a lot of friends in the special operations community, right?
Think of this today in Washington, D.C. Somebody, somebody could pick up the phone and call somebody in D.C. and say, we have a guy.
This is his grid coordinates.
He could be on the other side of the fucking universe, completely like somewhere hidden, somewhere, wherever.
Within 30 minutes, we, the United States, has an ability to drop a bomb on that guy's head, no matter where he is in the world.
Think about that.
No matter where he is in the world.
How do you feel here and that?
That the fact that we have these capabilities, I mean, it's ridiculous.
Does it make you feel safe?
Does it make me feel safe that we could do something like that?
I mean, it doesn't make me feel unsafe.
Okay.
No, but what I'm saying to you is the fact that folks in Israel, they ought to be grateful for the technology advancement that that country's invested in to provide that kind of security.
Because here's how small is Israel?
Israel is not a big country.
Israel's the size of like Delaware.
Yeah, Israel is so tiny, it's ridiculous.
And by the way, Palestine's even smaller.
Like when you think about how small it is.
And it's not also just wartime capability, right?
When the FBI had a hard time getting it in the iPhones, right?
Who'd they go to?
Who'd they go to?
They go to the Israelis.
Well, there's an amazing book called Startup Nation that I read, I don't know, 10 years ago.
And it talked about how this little, it's like the little engine that could, how this little country was able to manifest itself into this ridiculous, technologically advanced country.
And I'll say one thing, because I'm sure we'll move on to the next topic, but we were texting ironically yesterday or DMing yesterday on the plane.
You remember this?
Yeah.
And we were talking about Israel and Tel Aviv.
And you go, I guess we're not opening up a value attainment office at Tel Aviv anytime soon.
And I go, and I've been to Tel Aviv.
I actually said the opposite.
You said, I guess we are because of how safe it is.
Yeah, that's fair.
Okay, I thought you were being sarcastic.
No, no, I was saying the opposite.
I was saying you would feel safe.
I was going to check to make sure.
No, no, no.
It sounds like a safe place to move item in headquarters.
I thought you were being sarcastic.
No, no, no.
I was actually saying if you got a bio, if you got one of those domes that you're protected.
But here's what I'll say about Tel Aviv.
I'm from Miami.
I'm from Miami Beach.
It's like Miami Beach, bro.
Like, it's like you go to the beaches, you're having a great time.
You go to the discotecas, you're dancing, you're doing the you're having fun.
You're living a life that you would not think you're living in the Middle East.
It's awesome.
Yeah, but Adam, you know what?
That's all over the Middle East.
You know, when we're watching, you're watching video of Syria, right?
You're watching the bombs and the, you know, knocking out sites and doing all this other stuff.
You go online, you go on Facebook, and you'll see people in Syria.
They're having weddings.
They're having parties.
They're going out to restaurants.
And you're looking at this thinking, where the fuck is that guy?
Because I just saw this morning.
In Aleppo.
I just saw this morning where they annihilated an entire city, and this guy's getting married.
You know, that's all over the Middle East.
Why?
Because it's the way they've learned to live.
They had to live like this.
You know, I worked for the King of Jordan for five years.
And Jordan's a pretty secure country.
Jordan has been great for the last 40 years.
But I was also there in November of 2005 when they bombed the three hotels, right?
And all over this country, everybody was saying, oh my God, it's losing it.
It's not going to be secure anymore.
There's no security in Jordan.
And yet, I was in Jordan, I don't know, 70 times over five years.
It's phenomenal.
It was a phenomenal country.
It's the way they've learned to live.
It's the way the Israelis have learned to live.
They have to, you know, you go into a mall in Tel Aviv, you're going to be checked for weapons.
You're going to be checked for a vest.
That's the way every Israeli citizen, bless you, from the day they turn 18 has to join the IDF, Israeli Defense Force.
And everyone has guns in the guns in the country.
Everyone has them.
AK-47s, whatever it is.
And it's a very safe place.
You feel very secure.
So as a Jew, as a Jew, you know, you go there and it's not what you like, for instance, the Jewish people in America, you kind of get this like everyone feels safe.
No, not at all.
Not at all.
AK-47.
Exactly.
You feel like every Jew is like a Mott Greenberg from the family guy in the American Pharmacy.
Like that's what's.
But they're freaking badasses.
It's ridiculous.
Most aggressive.
Assuming you never joined that military.
I did meet some nice girls, though.
You did?
I didn't see that.
I can see that.
How about we talk a little economy?
I want to get two stories in before we wrap up.
We got nine minutes.
Okay.
CNBC story.
Inflation speeds up in April as consumer prices leap 4.2%, fastest since 2008.
Now, when you read this story, this is the highest raise rate of inflation over the past year, jumped from 4.2 to 2.2, from 4.2% from 2.6% the prior month, highest since 2008.
Senior Federal Reserve official who are supposed to protect the U.S. from high inflation insist the increase is temporary.
They contend inflation will subside by next year over the pandemic fades.
Most people go back to work and global economy is largely recovered.
Now, here's some interesting statistic based on this, okay, on what increased energy prices overall jumped 25% from a year earlier.
49.6% increased for gasoline, 37.3% for fuel oil.
Then on top of that, this is their random weird statistic.
Used car and truck prices, which are seen as a key inflation indicator, surged 21%.
What the hell is used car prices going up 21%?
Just in April alone, it increased by that little lemon you're going to buy for $2,200 is officially $2,500.
That $10,000 truck you were going to buy last year, this year, you're going to have to pay $12,200 for it.
A used car.
So, you know, what's going to happen with this?
Are the rates going to go up?
Are they trying to kind of keep people calm?
They don't want to scare anybody.
Lumber prices alone have risen 124% in 2021.
Once again, lumber prices alone have risen 124%.
Where are they saying it's from, though?
What are they saying it's from?
They're just saying it's just temporary.
It's not because, you know.
Based on what?
And copper often has seen this proxy for economic activity has jumped nearly 36%.
By the way, houses here.
You know what kind of houses people are buying that they're moving here from New York or other places?
They're wanting to buy homes that have already been fully built.
The teardowns, there's not too many teardown countries.
Lumber is ridiculous.
Because of lumber being ridiculous prices and you have to pay for it.
Exactly.
Building costs going up.
And also in New York, you get a shoebox for a million bucks.
Down here, you're living the good life.
Yeah.
You are living a pretty good life at a million bucks.
But New Yorkers, stay in New York.
Inflation.
No, no.
By the way, tough it out.
I don't, you know, here's the problem with New Yorkers, people from Jersey, people from the Northeast.
You want to go to Florida because you feel safer?
You want to go to Florida because the economy's better?
Yeah.
Okay.
Go to Florida, but don't bring your politics with you.
Keep your politics up there.
Don't come down there.
That's hard to do.
And try to vote the same way, think the same way, because thinking the same way isn't what changed Florida.
Your politics in New York City is far different than what's going on in Florida.
The politics in New York City is why you're leaving New York City.
That's exactly right.
Right.
So either keep your ass up there or come to Florida, but you better start voting differently because otherwise you're going to turn Florida into New York.
Bernie, why are all these guys from New York?
Why are they coming to Florida?
Why aren't they going to Alabama?
Why aren't they going to the lovely state of Mississippi?
You know, southern states, South Carolina, South Carolina.
They'd be living in a fucking country with a bunch of sheep.
You know, I mean, you were miserable hanging out with your two cats more than any other kid.
You're not miserable with the cats, man.
Don't bring the cats up.
These two little cats of yours, man.
Bernie, I have a question for you before we move on because you said you got a lot of love down here.
You were walking the streets of Boca.
Hey, Bernie, come in.
Who are the people that are giving you love?
Hey, Bern, good to see you.
And who are the people like, hey, you fucking Bernie?
Get the hell out of here.
Oh, yeah.
What's the difference?
You get those far and few between, but when you get them, you know, I'll tell you a quick funny story.
I was crossing Madison Avenue.
My little girl, who's now 18, she was about two years old.
This is after 9-11, after Giuliani and I leave office.
I'm crossing Madison Avenue up around Nellows, around 61st Street.
Nice area.
I'm crossing the street, and there's a guy walking across.
He's like your age.
He's walking across the street facing me, and he goes, Karek, right?
You Karek?
I say, yes, sir.
And at the top of his lungs, he goes, you're a dick.
You're a fucking dick.
He starts yelling in the middle of the street, and everybody's like, whoa, what happened?
Who's this guy?
So you get...
And it was Bill de Blasio.
It probably is kid.
You get those kind of people that are complete lunatics.
But for the most part, you know, everybody's nice.
But down here, when I'm in Palm Beach or Boca or Fort Lauderdale, I'm telling you, I think it's like a sixth borough, this city, because everybody's like, hey, Commissioner, how you doing?
Hey, Commissioner, hey, Bernie, hey, what's up?
In the mecca.
I mean, especially Boca.
Boca is like the mecca of New York and Jersey.
I think they just lift it up like somewhere up there and brought it down.
Yeah.
And it's going to be more because of what's going on with New York.
This is not going to slow down.
I can't tell you the numbers because last night, you weren't at the house.
You were over there.
I'm in the process of buying a house right now.
We made a few offers, but this one's gone far.
I get a call from my realtor yesterday saying, this guy is willing to pay you XYZ dollars.
I'll say it.
Once the house closes, then I'll reveal the information so people can know about it.
My realtor's telling me, let this guy buy the house from you.
I said, I haven't even bought the house yet.
Yes, but legally, this is your house because you're in contract.
He wants to buy the contract from you, and he wants to pay you this much.
I said, how much?
So my wife says, babe, it's a big number, but please say no.
Babe, it's a big number, but please say no.
Because she don't want to go through the process again.
She doesn't.
Because she's pregnant.
We got, what, five weeks left?
June 21st.
We got six weeks left for the fourth baby to come up.
So life is very busy right now.
But the point is, guys are coming in here.
They're saying, look, what is the asking price?
I'll give you 2 million more.
I'll give you $3 million.
Just let me get this place because the bidding war today in Florida is insane.
Okay, so that being said, what do you think in a year from now, a year and a half from now?
You think the bubble's going to burst?
Not in states like Florida, Texas, Tennessee, Nevada, it's not.
Not those states.
Really?
Texas is going to, listen, Texas is going to keep blowing up.
Florida is going to keep blowing up.
Tennessee is going to keep blowing up.
Nevada is going to keep blowing up.
There's certain states they're not going to block.
Why Tennessee?
Taxes, lowest taxes in all of America.
Lowest taxes in all of America.
I'm actually going to Tennessee now.
I lived there for two years.
It's one of the best places to raise a family, one of the best places to raise a family.
And it's not like country bunk in Nashville.
No, they got all sports.
I mean, Nashville, especially.
You can go live in a nice place, Brentwood, Nashville, which got $10, $15 million, $20 million homes.
You can go get a quarter million dollar home and be right outside the city.
Could you imagine a $20 million home in Nashville?
It's a palace.
I was going to say, what's in a place?
It's a palace.
Literally.
It's a palace.
But it's a beautiful place.
Beautiful place to raise a family.
If we wanted the water because our kids love the water, we would have lived in Nashville, Tennessee.
I just want, I want like 20 acres in the woods somewhere with a long driveway and a house just big enough for me.
Upstate New York.
No, no, stop.
Upstate New York.
Stop.
Alabama.
Alabama.
I want to fucking raise New Year.
Bernie.
You're going to hit your fish.
Hey, Kamish, how you doing?
Good to see you down here at the Miami.
Let's finish.
Oh, man, there's Bernie.
Let's finish it up with Liz Cheney, page 12, if you want to go to it, Adam.
So Liz Cheney, okay?
This has been a mess in the Republican Party right now.
Representative Liz Cheney says she will do everything she can to make sure that Trump never again gets anywhere near the Oval Office, the business insider story.
She's from Wyoming.
On Wednesday, she said she's determined to prevent former President Donald Trump from returning to the White House.
I will do everything I can to ensure the former president never gets anywhere near the Oval Office.
We have seen the danger that he continues to provoke with his language.
We have seen his lack of commitment and dedication to the Constitution.
Cheney told reporters on Capitol Hill.
The comments came after Cheney was ousted as chair of the House Republican Conference in a voice vote on Wednesday morning.
GOP members voted to remove Cheney from the top leadership, post over repeated criticism of the former president and opposition to his lies about the 2020 presidential election.
She was also one of the top, one of the 10 House Republicans who voted to impeach Trump over his role in the Capitol insurrection on January 6th.
Thoughts?
My thought is she's a liar, and I'm glad she's gone.
And I say that from personal experience.
I ran the investigative side of the president's rebuttal on the election.
I saw the 3,000 affidavits from people that witnessed voter fraud, election fraud in six different states.
She was never briefed.
She was never interviewed.
She never called us.
She never questioned us.
She hasn't seen one bit of evidence out of the outrageous evidence of voter and election fraud, yet make statements like that.
And for that, she shouldn't be in Congress.
I don't know Liz Cheney personally, like you do.
Not that you know her personally, but and I've said this before.
People are like, oh, the Democratic Party has fallen apart.
The socialists are taking over.
But for my opinion, they'll at least coalesce during an election and come together.
In my opinion, the party that is being fractured is Republicans.
You have, what does it say, 100 Republicans, including former governors and lawmakers, are threatening to form a third party.
These are people that were lifelong Republicans, the Bushes of the world, the Cheneys of the world, the George Wills of the world.
We saw how the Lincoln project took over the world.
They collapsed, though.
didn't end well let's just correct but they did they did bring down trump they They did.
The Democrats used them to bring him down.
And then afterwards, they crash and burn because they're no longer needed.
They're the useful idiots, some call them.
Well, they knew what they were doing.
The Democrats.
Some of them call them the useful idiots.
They were useful when needed the moment everything was accomplished.
Now it's no longer useful.
Fair enough.
But the point is that I'm trying to make is if there is some bigger division is definitely in the Republican Party than it is the Democratic Party right now.
We'll see what happens in the United States.
I don't disagree with you.
I'm actually on your side with this because this is.
So you have to realize, if you knew how powerful Dick Cheney was.
He literally ran the show.
No, no, the guy is a strategy.
He's one of the scariest guys in politics.
The guy was a strategist.
The guy was a – he was feared by his peers.
He's so powerful, he could shoot his buddy in the face and not pay a price.
You can say that because that's actually a factual statement.
So, can you imagine his daughter?
She's got those genes.
The genetics of a fighter, the genetics of defending, and Cheney was whose VP?
Cheney was the Bushes.
Okay, and the Bushes and Trump's.
How's their relationship?
Do they go to dinner to get at Marshall?
Bushes and Trump's not good, so not so good whatsoever because of the closer with Obama's at this point.
Of course.
So the point is, you have to know where the loyalty lies, right?
Where the loyalty lies.
It's like Cindy McCain.
Now, here's the question.
Megan McCain.
Here's a question for you.
Here's a crazy question for you.
Here's a crazy question for you.
That's getting crazy.
Sam, am I above my appointment?
1102.
Okay.
So here's a question, crazy question for you.
Here's a crazy question for you.
Republican Party, say there's a split.
We have a third party.
I know we have like a few other third parties, whatever, independent, libertarian, green, all that, but I'm talking about like a legitimate 20%, 25% party, right?
Which party is more like Ronald Reagan?
The Liz Cheney-Bush, you know, party, the, what do you call it, the liberal?
The conservative Republicans, the Lincoln Project.
Do you think they're more like Reagan, or do you think Trump's MAGA party is more like Reagan?
Who's more like Reagan?
More like Reagan.
And Reagan?
Like Reaganomics, like Reagan, the way he ran America?
Who's more like Reagan?
Trump's.
You think so?
100%.
What do you think?
I'm taking the opposite.
So let me, if you're listening to this, if you're listening to this, thumbs up if you think Trump is more like Reagan versus the Cheneys, the Bushes of the world are like Reagan.
Thumbs up, it's more Trump like Reagan.
Thumbs down if no, it's Bush, Cheney are more like Reagan.
I actually want to hear your thoughts when you're saying this.
So tell me why you say Trump's camp, MAGA, is more like Reagan.
Because he believes in much of the same stuff Reagan did.
You know, smaller government.
You know, the Bush Republican Party is all about the swamp.
It's all about the swamp.
It's all the connections, the long time connections of Washington, D.C.
And look, I got to be honest.
I followed this stuff for years.
I never got involved as much as I did in the aftermath of the election.
And there were people on the Bush side of the house, the Republican side of the house, basically saying, leave the election alone.
Don't talk about it.
Don't go public.
Don't cooperate with them.
Don't talk to the president's legal team.
Why?
Why not?
What are you hiding?
Or what are you trying to prevent from happening?
The bottom line is there was overwhelming evidence of voter and election fraud.
I saw it.
I collected the affidavits.
We interviewed hundreds of people.
I got it.
But why wouldn't you want that to come out?
Why is it not okay to talk about it?
They censured the president.
They censored the president.
They've censored anybody that goes on social media and tries to talk about it.
For the people that were there, that saw what I saw, this is outrageous.
And I don't give a shit if it's Republican and Democrat.
I don't care.
The bottom line is every vote should count and every vote should be legal, a legal vote.
When you have 350,000 ballots that are cast between 1 a.m. and 5 a.m. in Pittsburgh, and there's no Republican observers, okay, that's illegal.
It's illegal.
It's a fucking crime.
When you have 150,000 cast in Philadelphia between 1 and 5 a.m., that's a crime.
Why hasn't it been investigated?
How can Liz Cheney stand up and say it's all a lie?
What do you say to those who say, Bernard, this has already been addressed?
It went to court.
Even Georgia, you know, the governor came out and he didn't do anything.
Even, you know, you can go to all these.
Here's what you say about the court issue.
The court issue.
And I'll finish with this one statement.
The court issues, in almost every case, there was no state.
They didn't find that the petitioner had standing, or they said it's a state issue.
And you know what?
They're right.
Here's the bottom line for the people that were there.
The Democrats stole the election.
They infused ballots.
They fucked with the machines.
They had dead people voting in the thousands.
They stole the election.
But that is not why Donald Trump is not the president today.
Donald Trump is not the president today because the state legislators in the six swing states certified false votes and they knew it.
And they knew it.
They certified their election numbers in those states just to get it over.
Why?
Because they're a part of that Bush entourage, that Bush party.
They hated Trump.
They didn't like what he stood for.
And they are the reason he's not in the White House today.
So you're saying it's the actual Republicans who are running.
100%.
So not even the Democrats.
You're saying, is it the Democrats or the Republicans that the United States?
The Democrats stole the election.
But if the Republicans did their job, if the state legislators did their job and did not certify those votes until there was a real investigation, you have Arizona right now, right now, today, they're still in court messing with the audit in Arizona.
You have the same thing going on in Michigan, in Antrim County, where they found the turnover of Trump votes to Biden.
They found them in the machines.
That stuff is still going on.
The certifications should have never been done.
Let me ask you, and in the great words of Big Lebowski, it's kind of like your opinion, man.
How accurate do you think?
No, no, no.
Meaning, like, are you 1,000% confidence?
It's exactly what happened.
Or it's like, look, I kind of think this is what happened.
I am 1,000% confident.
You know why?
Because I have the affidavits.
I have the legal affidavits.
They're sworn under the penalty of perjury.
There's thousands of them.
Thousands.
What do you fucking ignore these people that were there?
Who do you blame?
Who do you blame for all this?
Because it sounds like you're blaming Republicans.
I am blaming Republicans.
Oh, my God.
I am.
By the way, say there's a third party.
Let's break those two apart.
Say there's a third party.
Okay.
No, if there's a third party, by a landslide, who wins?
Democrats, not even wins.
By a landslide.
Not even close.
Or does.
Because it seems like the fear is so high that they're thinking Trump's going to run 2024.
Do you think he is?
2024?
I don't know.
What's your bets?
80% chance, 60%, 50%?
80%.
80%.
Very high.
80 runs.
Okay.
Listen, if so many people are doing everything in their power to prevent it from happening, they're thinking very high likelihood he's going to be running and they're scared.
That's all I can say to you.
And I don't know.
No, no, no.
Bro, if you're saying stuff like this, this has only stemmed from fear.
What if this takes place?
Petrify.
Yeah.
You don't think this is coming from conviction and moral authority?
I do think it is, but the only reason you're putting so much energy into it is because you also believe odds are this guy's going to run.
We cannot have this guy run because if he runs, what's he going to do?
What's he going to expose?
What's he going to show?
What's he going to revert back to?
What's going to be taking place?
What's going to be the next swamp?
We're going to lose our deals.
I don't know.
But all I know is I wish we had another hour today, but we don't.
We went nine minutes over.
Carolina's standing over here telling me, Pat, you got a call to get on.
Bernard, man, it's been great having you on, bro.
I got to tell you, this was phenomenal.
Thanks, Duke.
And we're going to have a good lunch right afterwards.
We'll go grab a bite and we'll have you back on, hopefully, here soon again.
And on behalf of the Sixth Borough, welcome.
We'd love to have you again.
See you in the streets.
Oh, man, this was great.
This was great.
Thank you.
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