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When you played football that long, you don't feel it anymore.
You got that CTD.
CTD.
What it looks like.
We're live, Fox.
All right, so we are live officially.
This is what?
This is 44.
Is it 44, 44?
We got Zenner in the house with us.
God, happy to be here.
Good to have you back.
I think it's important for everybody to know that we follow a very important protocol.
Yes.
You come to the show, blue jacket, white shirt.
Apparently, both of you guys had a blue jacket.
The value tame and cult is highly organized here.
I came in with the exact same look as Adam, except I had a pocket square.
I thought I could either take, you know, keep the pockets a little higher.
I went to the car and changed my shirt.
I wasn't going to take any cameras.
Sick pocket square, by the way.
Thanks.
You guys look good.
So he was looking a little too liberal with a white shirt and the blue jacket, and then he went double liberal.
Blue, blue, blue, blue.
What makes it happen?
Thank God when you hang out with a guy like that.
Exactly.
Thank God we have some balance on the podcast.
So, you know, shout out to all the red, white, and blue supporters.
Do people even think of that anymore?
I just feel like we're in a non-political world lately, which is kind of nice.
Tom, maybe you are, buddy.
After the nonsense that just happened.
Give it 18 months.
Don't worry.
Without a doubt, right?
Yeah.
Give it 18 months when the returns come.
Crazy stuff's going to happen.
Gang, we are glad to be back.
One thing I want to tell everybody that's watching is those of you that come early with us, we are testing 9 a.m. Thursday.
I sent an Instagram, what do you call it, a poll?
And I ask 8 a.m. or 9 a.m.
70% said 9 a.m.
So we're going to try 9 a.m. this Thursday instead of 8 a.m. Eastern Time.
Eastern Standard Time.
So let's get some feedback.
East audience.
We've already done it.
It's Eastern Standard Time that we're doing.
We're going to test out the 9 a.m. thing.
So, anyways, let's get right into it.
A lot of crazy stuff's happened.
The Megan Markle Markle interview that's created a frenzy, drama non-stop.
Pierce Morgan walking off the set.
Craziness.
I didn't hear about that yet.
Yes.
Excited to hear it.
4.4 million views on Twitter in a couple hours because Pierce Morgan just couldn't handle it.
He says, I don't want to hear this somewhere.
He just got walked off the set.
Now, he has done stuff like that before.
It's not like it's the first time.
So we got a lot of things to cover.
We got business things to cover.
Reddit has named its former snap, a former snap, like Snapchat executive, as its first CFO.
This entire time, Reddit hasn't had a CFO, but they just announced they're getting a new CFO.
Score is joining forces with Jay-Z Music.
Streaming, Wall Street isn't impressed.
John McAfee, back at it again, has been indicted on federal charges related to the fraudulent promotion of crypto currencies.
Tesla making a giant to plug into the Texas power grid, and it could store enough energy for 20,000 homes.
That's a big deal.
JP Morgan posts 34 blockchain jobs as it beefs up his JP Morgan coin.
Elon Musk lost $27 billion last week, but who's counting?
The biggest private island for sale in the Bahamas is about to hit the auction block, and there's no minimum bid.
It's interesting.
There is no missing meaning.
You could buy it for $5.
Obviously, it's not going to end up at $5, but it'll be interesting what happens there.
Young people are looking to spend almost half their stimulus checks on stocks.
And then we got Roku Quibi, rising interest rates.
Senate narrowly passes the COVID relief bill.
McConnell planning on an escape hatch in case he leaves Senate before his term expires.
California theme parks allowed to reopen as of April 1st.
Good for California.
Vegas benefits as Nevada eases some coronavirus rules.
And then, you know, Doom and Gloom from Zoom.
Stanford researcher spent a year finding out if Zoom Fadiq is real and just how awful it is on our brains and bodies.
And then a Kobe Bryant card sells for $1.795 million.
I say we start off with the Kobe story.
I say we start off with the Kobe Bryant.
This is near and dear to your heart.
This is many ways.
In many ways.
This is a little too near and dear my heart.
And so we have to talk about this.
Is there a way you can bring up that picture of the Kobe Bryant card while we're doing this?
So a rare Kobe Bryant card sells for $1.795 million.
Flawless, one of the rarest of its existence.
The top trading card, just one of two in the world at its level of perfection.
Golden Auction said it is the rarest, it was the most expensive Kobe Bryant ever sold.
The card's condition report to have perfect tens.
They call it a black label, which means tens on the surface, 10s on corners, 10s on edges, and 10s on centering.
Within weeks after his death, Brian cards were everywhere online, increasing in value by 600%.
See that card right there?
Go back to it.
That card right there that sold for $1.795 million.
Tom, you want to know a fun fact about that?
Yeah.
That's my card.
Except I sold it for $17,000.
$10 and a half card right there.
That's exactly the card.
I sold that card 10 and a half years ago for $17,000 to an investor.
Fast forward 10 and a half years later, the card sells for $1.8 million.
How crazy is that?
It's crazy.
You know, let me take it one step further.
Did you hear what happened yesterday?
Anthony Davis of the Lakers, right?
Yeah.
The most injured, never there.
I mean, he had a great season last year, but this guy gets hurt more than anybody.
His rookie card just went for a million.
$1 million.
His rookie card sold for a million?
Yes.
Anthony Davis's rookie card went for a million.
So here's, I want to get this on tape on file right now.
Pat, why don't you take, you know, a photo, a crypto photo of your Gretzky card, of a picture of you holding this and your other Gretzky card and your most valuable and make the NTF of it, right?
And then the NFT of that?
Who knows what that could go for?
I mean, seriously, you got to be thinking about jumping into that too.
It's unbelievable.
I mean, it's just a strange time, you know, when cards are selling for the prices that they're selling.
The main question right now with cards is the fact that is it going to keep going up or is there a crash coming up with cards?
Historically, what happens with cards is they go on a run and it's a very aggressive run.
People just all of a sudden are like, oh my gosh, I'm so interested.
It goes up and then there's quiet for five, six, seven years.
And then there's another run.
This is historical what happens with cards.
So if this trend continues, when the market takes a bit of a dip and the market's not making people, you know, millions of dollars left and right, there's going to be a bit of a dip in the sporting cards.
How long that's going to be, no one knows.
If it follows the trends in the past, that's what's going to happen.
But what are your thoughts?
Are we in the middle of this run right now?
Is this what we're doing?
Absolutely.
We're in the middle of it right now.
Let me tell you, if somebody said to you, like he said, Anthony Davis' card sold for a million bucks.
What was your reaction?
Your reaction was like, oh, ridiculous.
But it's like happening every day.
Brady just broke a record for the most expensive card ever sold.
Wayne Gretzky broke a record for the most expensive card ever sold for hockey.
Brady's was NFL.
NBA is Luka Donchik, $4.6 million on his birthday.
MLB is the Mickey Mantle PSA 10, PSA 9, that just sold for $5.2 million.
I get a call on Sunday from a guy.
He sends me a text.
He FaceTimes me.
I'm having lunch.
I'm like, oh, FaceTime.
Let me finish up lunch.
I got food in my mouth.
I said, I'll call him back.
I call him back.
I said, what's going on?
He's like, I got to talk to you.
I got to talk to you.
So what's going on?
No, no.
Listen, this is very important.
He says, my son's dad gave him a gift with all the cards.
And I got to show you what I got here.
And he opens it up.
He says, how much are these cards worth?
What do I do with this?
And it's like all these Kobe Bryant rookie cards, right?
And all this stuff that he has.
Legit cards.
No, legit cards.
And then he shows a Mickey card.
Do you know if there's a lot of fake Mickey cards?
Is this a fake one?
Is this a real one?
I said, whatever you do, don't sell it to anybody, even if they pay $10,000, $20,000.
Just find out if it's a real one.
Go through PSN and see what's going on.
People are calling their grandmothers, their mothers, their grandfathers.
They're like, where did you put all those cards I had, Ma?
Where are they?
Do we still have it in the basement?
Because it may be worth millions of dollars today.
I would hear stories because my dad grew up in Detroit.
And I mean, not that that's specifically relevant, but you would always hear.
Like in the 60s or whatever, everyone was collecting baseball cards.
This is when I first started hearing, you know, I was a kid in the 80s.
And you would always hear like, oh, I had all my cards in the basement and grandma threw them out.
You would hear stories like that.
I mean, are you familiar with stories like this?
Absolutely.
You would hear them and hear them and hear them.
That's the same thing you said.
I got to go find mine.
So I found a bunch of my cards that I had that I probably gave to my Herons to put in boxes when I went to college.
And what you didn't realize at the time is make sure that they're the PSA 10 and the corners and the crease because you could have an amazing card.
And if it's not in perfect mint condition, it might be worthless versus a million dollar card.
You know, let me know when there's a market for beer cans because growing up where I did, I didn't have anything to do but play sports and pick up empty beer cans in the ditch.
Were you drinking them?
No, dude.
I was a kid.
You would not believe the beer can collection I have and I'm not joking.
So if it ever gets to that, man, I'm going to buy that island in the Bahamas.
Let me say this about the cards.
It's going to keep going.
I mean, this is going to be an abnormal ramp up.
It's going to go higher and higher and higher.
And then what I think is going to happen is you're going to get too many mediocre Anthony Davis type cards that are overvalued.
So then I think it's going to come down.
But those premiere cards and the Luka Donkey and whoever it is, you know, the Steph Curry rookie card, any old classic LeBron card or thing like that.
For those guys, it's always going to be there.
Also, is there going to be some sort of market for average people to do this through like a mutual fund for trading cards?
That's already too.
So I think you're going to have a lot more people that are going to want it, especially because people are looking at this as quick, easy money.
And it really isn't, but it's unbelievable to think that we're spending this much time talking about trading cards that you got with a pack of gum back in the day for a buck.
You know what?
Now, like my son is at that age, Dash, he's 12, where he collects cards, always has.
And by the way, he found a Luka Donkey that's worth over 200 bucks.
You know, good for him.
But that we had.
But you can't buy cards now.
You go to Target, they're gone.
You go to Walmart.
You cannot find them on the shelves.
People know when they're stocking them and they're gone that day.
So there is an unbelievable interest in it right now.
Yeah, I don't think it's going away.
I don't think it's going away because, you know, social media, again, you said something very, very important.
Here's what you said.
Anything that's a one-of-one, anything that's of a limited amount of production is going to keep its value.
Anything.
So the Luca was a logo man one-of-one.
There's only one of it in the world.
That's going to sell.
The black label, anything you find that's black label, that's a decent, like I got a, yesterday I got a black label, Juan Soto, rookie card.
Juan Soto, he's got a big upside.
Could he do good?
Could he not do good?
I don't know, but it's a black label 10 of 10.
I got a black label a few months, a couple weeks back of Giannis, a black label Giannis.
That's going to do well.
So the pops have to be low.
If the pops are high, it's not going to have that kind of an explosion with a card.
And then you just need to know they're not reprinting them.
It's not like they're going to wake up and, you know, someone's going to come from the feds and say, we have decided to print 200,000 cards of the 1986 FLAR Michael Jordan.
So we're going to print in the quantitative easing to increase.
They're not going to do something like that.
Was that your Jerome Powell interpretation?
That was not Powell.
That was a Green Spring.
That was Alan Green Spoon.
All the printing presses are just printing money for stimulus.
So there's no more actual way to print it.
Let me just weigh in because I agree with Tom.
There's something, the fractionalized shares, it's available in stocks.
Rally.
Something called Stockpile and Stocks.
But is that the name of the company?
Rally's one of them.
Yes.
I spoke to the founder.
might not be able to afford a million dollar Anthony Davis card, which is absurd to me, or a Zion or a Giannis or a Luca or whatever it is, but could you put 10 grand in and just roll the dice like a if it's a one of one?
Yeah, you're probably not going to lose.
If it's a one of one.
And you need to know, like, here's how this works.
If they're concurrently playing, the upside is faster.
Like, for example, Luca's card sold for 4.6 million.
Michael Jordan's card sold for $783, $7.38.
But Lucas' card, there's only one of them in the world.
Michael's card, there's $320 in the world, PSA 10.
So you have to know.
What do you mean concurrently playing?
Currently playing a bigger upside.
Or, for example, if you own a Mickey PSA 8 910, you own a Bee Broot 1933 Gaudi.
If you own a Maze, if you own a old Magic Johnson Bird rookie card, because the documentary, if you own some of that stuff, that stuff's going to be fine.
But like I bought a Zion for a few hundred thousand dollars.
Okay.
That's what that's going for.
Yeah, I don't know what I think.
I paid $350,000 for it.
I paid $350,000 for it.
There's only, it's a legit card.
If I keep it for a year, two years, if Zion becomes who he could potentially become, that could be a $2,000, $3 million card.
But if Zion gets injured, that's a $50,000 card, $100,000 card.
You lose your investment.
You lose your investment.
But I know that's the difference between investing your money in small cap, mid-cap, large cap.
You put money in Amazon right now.
What's going to happen with?
Amazon's a $2 trillion company.
Amazon becomes a $4 trillion company.
What's your stock word?
Maybe double, right?
But what's the chances of Amazon going from a $2 trillion company to a $20 trillion company in the next two years?
You're trying 10 excess money, 100 extra money.
So you need to put it, like, I'm very much on value stocks and cards.
Like stuff that I, like a Will Chamberlain rookie card, you know, high-graded PSA 8, Wilt's going to be Wilt.
It is what it is.
You know, you got a Ruth, a Ted Williams, a Ty Cobb, a Hannes Wagner.
Those types of stuff are going to keep their value.
But if you want some risk is the small cap cards today.
You know, two quick points.
I think the interesting thing to watch with this, too, is because this is feeding on itself.
There's so much media coverage every day.
There's tons of stories every single day on this.
People want to be in.
They want to know more.
So here's the next evolution of it.
I think corruption.
You're going to have counterfeit.
You're going to have theft and you're going to have murder.
I really think with these valuable of cards out there, who'd watch for that?
But that's been happening.
All three have been happening.
All three.
Maybe even at a higher level now.
By the way, by the way, FYI, like, you know, for me, why I am very careful buying artwork?
I have a thing about buying artwork.
I watched this documentary about two years ago on our way to Croatia.
I don't know what's going on on our way to Monaco.
And I'm watching this documentary about this con artist who sold fake paintings.
I don't know if I've talked to you about this before.
Is this the Picasso?
Have I told you this thing?
Okay, so the guy goes, Picasso's about to die.
He's on his deathbed.
This guy who's a con artist goes to a local guy who admires Picasso, says, I want you to paint something with Picasso's painting style.
He gives the guy 500 bucks.
He goes to Picasso, says, a local painter who admires you did a painting.
I just want to get your advice on it, how you like it.
He wants to really get your opinion.
He says, I'll meet with you.
Meets with Picasso.
Picasso looks at it, says, it's okay.
He says, you mind if I take a picture with him to tell him that you like this picture?
He says, yes.
He takes a picture with Picasso.
Picasso dies a year later.
He comes out and says, here's Picasso's last painting.
And he sells it for millions of dollars, right?
So when it comes down to painting, how can you verify the validity of a painting?
You cannot verify the creative right story.
So you cannot verify the validity of it.
But when it comes down to cards, there is a grading service.
What made this game legitimate is PSA and Beckett.
They made it legit.
Because when you buy a card, can you have Sam, can you have Sam, can you go grab me the rookie card?
Grab Giannis or grab me some of the Ken Griffies.
Grab me all the Griffies.
Yeah, grab me Griffeys and Giannis.
So when you get a card and you see the grading on it, that's what you say.
Okay, I trust it.
So trust is what brought it back.
In the early 90s, if you bought a Michael Jordan, like when you bought the Hondas Wagner card, it was cut.
So there was a lot of fraudulent activities, a lot of fake cards.
So people are like, I'm not even messing with cards.
So you just spent $100,000 buying a card.
You realize a month later it's fake.
So you step away from the game.
The guy I bought the card from, the Wayne Gretzky card from, great guy.
You know what happened to him?
Bad experience.
Got burned.
He says, I want to have nothing to do with cards.
Stepped away.
He got a half a million dollar check.
I turned it around to $2 million because he was burned out.
So it does attract people like that.
So when you get in, get in, prepared that you may experience some bad things.
Yeah, but you have such an advantage because you've been in this game for a long time.
If you think there's going to be an easy buck, you can't just come in there with the level of knowledge.
I mean, you'll just get crushed.
Yeah.
Let me ask you this.
You know, the one of one card, is that a random thing where someone opened a pack and there it was?
It's like a winning lottery ticket inside a pack of cards.
Unbelievable.
Yeah, so Willie Wonka, Golden Cardinal.
It's unreal.
So you can, like Ken Golden from Golden Auctions, this last weekend, he had a record-breaking weekend.
He was all over Squawk.
He was all over the news, everywhere he's doing interviews, right?
They sold nearly $40 million of cards in one weekend.
$40 million in one weekend is what they did.
Their revenues last year was $100 million.
They just raised $40 million.
Kevin Durant was part of it.
All these other guys, him and I were texting back and forth.
He is helping the market because he is bringing attention to the market.
Rally is bringing attention to the market.
The players are bringing attention to the market.
LeBron James' card sold for $1.8 million.
You know who commented in the comment section?
He says, guess who has two of these cards?
Yours truly.
LeBron, the card that sold for $1.8 million, LeBron says.
He got two of his own cards.
He says, I got two of them myself.
So it's like, players are buying their own cards.
Yeah, like, for example, okay, so Griffey, let's talk about this.
This is probably a $5,000 card.
Okay, you can get this probably $4,500 to a $5,000 card.
You want to know what's the problem with this card?
It's been printed 2 million times.
There are 2 million of this out there, and I think 3,000 have been graded at a PSA 10.
If this was only 300 graded at PSA 10, this would not be a $5,000 card.
This would be a $200,000 card, a $150,000 card.
Now, is this still a good stock long-term?
Absolutely.
Because it's who.
It's Ken Griffey's best rookie card, right?
Sweetest swing in baseball.
Sweetest swing in baseball.
So you have to know also the print of the cards, the timing of the cards.
Like, you know, Bonds and I, you know, Bo Jackson, there's stories behind him.
He didn't grab Giannis because Giannis, it's Giannis, so you can even leave.
He was looking for the wall.
He's probably like, what the hell is Giannis?
I don't see a single guy with him.
I don't know why.
It's all good.
So there is business to it.
If you're listening to it, just like stocks, just like Bitcoin, just like, don't go jump in.
I did a video about cards a month and a half ago.
It's a good educational one before you go in.
If you do go in, go in with a group of people that know what they're doing.
Like I had, even you said the other day, Pat, I'll go in 10 grand with you, 20 grand with you, and you buy it with somebody that knows what they're doing.
Don't go in all by yourself because if it doesn't work out for you, you're going to come back and say, oh, this didn't work out for me.
And two quick points before we move on.
You brought up fractionalized shares.
Single stocks, like single car.
You know how I say it?
Go to Rally RD.
This is a shot.
So I don't buy single stocks.
I buy index funds or I'll buy mutual funds or, you know, I can't project the next big stock.
And just it's very hard to do.
This is it.
Like you can buy a share of the Hunnis Wagner card.
Okay.
Okay.
You can buy a fractional share.
Like the Wayne Gretzky card that I sold, they bought one of them for $720,000.
And they put it there for $800,000.
You can buy shares at $100.
It's like owning the Green Bay Packers.
You can have a share of the card.
I have a share of the Packers.
That's interesting you say that.
So you can buy a share of the card.
It's a great situation.
For individual investors, do you like, what's your advice to people out there?
I mean, obviously learn, get familiar with what's going on, first of all.
Would you buy one card or would you buy shares of multiple cards, like a mutual fund, or just like go all in on a Zion?
No, no, no way I would say go all in on one player, right?
If you do, because it's emotional and you're part of the city and he's in your city, I get it.
Like let's just say you're, you know, Kobe comes into the Lakers, he gets traded for Vladivostok, and you're like, oh, I feel like he's going to do something.
You buy his stuff because he's emotionally tied to you.
Gotcha.
I get it.
But if you're trying to do it from the business standpoint, just look, small cap, mid-cap, large cap.
What does small cap mean?
Biggest upside, injury-prone.
Mid-cap, somebody who's playing, it's in the middle of their career, but they could win a couple championships and they can go up.
For example, Giannis is all, if Giannis got hurt tomorrow, his career has still been a solid career.
He's won a couple MVPs.
But if Giannis goes and all of a sudden he teams up with a Luca, they get on the same team, or he goes out and gets a Robin and they win back-to-back-to-back championship, Giannis is something else.
And then there's large cap.
What's large cap?
You buy a card that you know it's going to be the LeBron.
LeBron is absolutely a large cap.
A Kobe is a large cap.
An MJ is a large cap.
A Ruth is a large cap.
That's all large cap cards that you know they've already been validated.
They've already won multiple championships.
They've already got a great career.
People already know who they are.
That's a large cap.
You're not going to lose a lot of money.
This may not explode.
This higher and this could explode, but it's got a bigger risk.
I think it's important for you just to kind of come full circle here.
Tell your experience with the Kobe Bryant because you kind of left some details out, meaning you bought the Kobe Bryant for like 10 grand.
Whatever it was.
Sold it for $17.
So you're thinking, oh my God, I made $17,000.
I sold it for $17,000.
At a time, when I sold that card, what people don't know, like when I sold that card, I was running the insurance company.
This is the story I wanted to tell you.
And I was going to do a video with Kayan Vagina, but we'll do it here and we'll put on shortcuts.
I was running my insurance company, PHP.
I come home, Jen has her situation with the baby.
We lost the baby.
And then we have my half a million dollars of savings that I put into it.
That half a million goes down to $13,000.
Wow.
Okay.
This is scary.
This is 2010, 2011.
11 years ago.
It's when you're just starting out.
I'm trying to figure out how I'm going to come up with money.
So I still, we're living in an apartment to save money at the time.
2010.
I sold everything I had, anything and everything to invest it into the company.
So we did the math the other day, and I did it in front of you.
That $17,000 I put into the company made me $14 million.
So the point is, I may have lost on a $1.8 million deal, but I put it in my business.
It saved the company.
It helped us getting to where we're at.
And obviously, right now, it's a complete.
It's a sick story.
For those of you out there that feel bad for Patty, but I tell you one thing.
I understand for the person that sold it.
I understand they almost didn't want to sell it.
And I understand for the person that bought it, they're so happy to hold the card.
The person that won the card can't wait to hold it.
You don't even know if you're a card guy to hold a card of a Kobe like that BGS 10 black label.
I can't even describe it.
Especially if you're a collector.
If you're not a collector, you know how you tell somebody, yeah, I went to the Super Bowl, man, and I tell you this Harrison guy took the fumble away before halftime and ran it back on Kurt Warner.
And then at the end, Kurt Warner makes a comeback, but the Steelers still end up winning.
And it was crazy because Kurt threw for 400 touchdowns.
You should have been at this place.
Oh, so who won?
Yeah, but you don't understand.
This was sick.
And he was like, dude, I don't follow football.
Yeah, why would you tell me that?
I wouldn't have told you the experience.
So, if you tell like somebody watches this right now with cards, they're like, dude, who cares about cards if it's emotional?
The guy who buys the Kobe, he hangs on to it.
He's going to say, Mom, look, hey, dad, look, hey, guys, come over.
He's going to have a party sharing the cards with people, showing it to them.
It's a pretty cool experience.
And you've been on both sides of the equation, meaning you've won on some deals and you've lost on clearly.
That's how life works.
You're not going to win them all.
You know, you're going to have some.
And the reality is, I'm going to tell you a crazy thing.
I've never lost on cards.
How weird is that?
Wow.
How weird is that?
Like, even that Kobe situation.
I never lose on cards because I sit on them.
If you sit on cards, the only way you do is if the guy does something that's like a guy comes out with steroid scandal and then his car, no one wants to buy the car.
Like you didn't wake up this morning saying, I want to go buy an OJ Simpson rookie card.
You know what I mean?
So there's an element of that.
You probably keep emotion out of it, which, you know, you know what you're dealing with.
See, I have a philosophy.
I only invest in ball players like Lamar's kids, you know, Lonzo and LaMelo.
That's it.
I think they're going to the top.
I would steer clear of the Jell-O card.
LaMelo is going.
That guy's going to places.
He's a special kid.
Okay, so there you go.
First story, we got cards.
Second story: do we want to go into the Megan Markle story and see what happened there?
Why don't we go into this?
We know you do.
I mean, listen, it's what everybody's talking about.
It's what everybody have you guys had a chance to watch some of the highlights?
I've seen some of the clips.
So you tell us your story.
Well, give us the rundown of what I'm saying.
I want to hear from you.
What do you think about the whole thing when you watch it?
What is your question?
Because there's two, three different sides of the story.
Where are you at, and who do you believe?
She goes on Oprah.
Yeah.
And she does a sit-down interview.
Now, was the interview just with her and then Harry popped in at the end?
Or yeah, Harry popped in later on.
So, you know, more than Super Bowl.
So there were more people watching the interview than the Super Bowl.
96.4 million viewers watched the how we're recording some annals or expensive answer.
There was ratings drew higher numbers than the Super Bowl.
If you watch it, you couldn't.
There were 50 commercials every two minutes.
Every time you're watching the interviews, commercial, And apparently, they didn't take any money.
That was transparent right up front.
Oprah said to make sure everybody knows, have you gotten paid for this?
Zero.
And do you know any of the questions I'm going to be asking?
She says, I know none of the questions you're going to be asking.
And do you believe that?
Of course.
Why do they need to take money for the interview?
They're making so much everywhere.
I believe Oprah is a GOAT.
So Oprah is not somebody that would say something like that.
It's Oprah.
You're sitting with Oprah, who has got Harper Productions, a billionaire.
You know, you got to give her the props.
So you're sitting with somebody that, dude, I'm not giving you any money for this because I'm going to give you the eyeballs if you come with me, right?
So that's the numbers.
That's what happens.
So here are my three biggest takeaways from this because I'm a now, I think she's beautiful.
I absolutely think she is gorgeous.
Out of everything, that's what you got.
Number one, single.
So you didn't see the interview.
You're just like, oh my God, she's so beautiful.
I don't care.
I believe you.
I'm just putting that out to the atmosphere.
If you want to know, like, just my thoughts on this princess, I think she's beautiful.
Now, here are my three biggest takeaways.
Number one, during the hoopla, the drama of her being in the family, the royal family, everyone, at what point she went, just like a business, she went to HR.
Like there's a human resources in the freaking palace to sort of complain about this situation here.
I'm not sure how far that went, right?
Number two, which is, you know, say what you want, she was legitimately having suicidal thoughts, which you're marrying a prince, you come into this royal lifestyle, and next thing you know, a few years down the road, you're having suicidal thoughts.
You're dealing with paparazzi, you're dealing with the drama.
Even Harry said this is very reminiscent of what my mom was going through, Princess Di, who, in my opinion, is a GOAT, like an Oprah type.
And then thirdly, which was sort of the biggest controversy, and they wouldn't name names, the family wanted to know how dark-skinned baby Archie would be when he was born.
Because she's, I think, mixed, half-half.
He's obviously a ginger.
I think they're thinking, please tell me this kid don't look like Blake Griffin.
We hope not.
So shout out, Blake Griffin.
But don't punk here.
Yeah, I don't know.
Yeah, you saw that right there.
Looking like a bag of Cheetos right there.
But that was pretty controversial for the family.
And I'm not sure if it was Stephen Colbert.
I think Stephen just went to the Netsburg.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Blake Ray, the Nets are going to probably win a championship this year.
But anyway, side note, shocker, the royal family in the greatest imperialist country ever to exist might be a tad racist.
They might be.
So there was some definitely some drama going on.
Where you had, Tom with that.
You know, and the racism card is what's being played a lot right now.
The biggest loser in all this is Adam Silver in the NBA.
They had their all-star game that night, their big showcase.
CBS destroyed it.
It absolutely destroyed it in the ratings.
So they go head-to-head, and that's got to scare the NBA.
One of the biggest winners, Gail King, she deserves a raise at CBS.
Her best friend's Oprah.
She gets the interview over there.
They had to pay $7 to $9 million in licensing fees.
But Gail King, kudos to her.
You know, this was a total recipe for disaster for the royal family when Megan Markle entered the family because she was a celebrity.
She's wired for ambition.
She's an ambitious individual.
All right.
She knew how to play this status that she was about to get.
And she wasn't a huge celebrity, but she already had the hunger and the drive for working her way up in the showbiz world and making it in Hollywood.
You know, I don't blame her at all.
I saw this coming.
I didn't think this would work with Harry eventually.
It's the worst case scenario for the Royals because they're all about tradition and conforming and consistency and honoring that crown and keeping that whole thing going, right?
And she's about, I don't know any about this in my history.
I'm thinking about myself and my family.
And clearly, Harry is all in on board with her.
I went in thinking that I was going to be anti-Megan Markle on this thing, that she was being opportunistic to a negative degree where she was really taking advantage of this.
But I bought some of her stories that she was talking about.
And, you know, they got to Hollywood and they've already signed a nine-figure deal with Netflix.
They have a $100 million deal with Netflix to produce documentaries and entertainment.
They have a huge podcast contract.
So they're making a ton of money.
But this thing's going to get crazy because this is the last thing that the royal family needs.
And this is the biggest story.
And it's an American that's going to do this damage to them ultimately.
And then if you want to talk about Pierce Morgan, which is a fascinating story, right, with him storming off the set of Good Morning Britain today, basically their version of Good Morning America.
But do you know his backstory with Megan?
They met for 90 minutes.
They sat down.
They talked.
They got, you know, they got along and there was something going on.
Yeah, they got a relationship.
This was back in 2015.
And apparently they really hit it off.
They were having a pint and maybe another cocktail or something.
And according to Pierce, when he tells this story, they really hit it off.
He must have had something for her, probably, right?
He puts her in a cab after that.
She goes to a party, and that's the party she met Harry at.
And he said that she never talked to him again.
So there might be some really deep-rooted personal feelings there with Pierce.
And it all exploded this morning, which is only going to keep the story going because he walked off the stat.
He stormed off the stat.
Said, he took off his mic, exit stage.
That's exactly what Megan wants.
Oh, my God.
So this is just playing up even bigger.
Explain that what the Pierce Morgan part of the story is.
What happened this morning?
He's defending the Royals on Megan's.
What happened this morning is somebody came in on the show and called out Pierce.
This guy doesn't like Pierce.
The weather guy.
The weather guy does not like Pierce at all.
On Good Morning Britain.
On Good Morning Britain.
I kind of called him on.
He said, well, you don't understand how challenges this has been to have been, Megan and Harry, and all they've gone through of being part of this limelight and how the media has trashed them and the media has not been friendly to them outside of the wedding.
That's pretty much what he said.
And then Pierce, like, I'm not having this.
He just walked out.
Yeah.
And the guy said.
He's a king of publicity stunts.
That was a brilliant move by Pierce.
Pierce is a genius.
I mean, you have to realize he's a genius.
Oh, there's no question about it.
He understands marketing.
Let me say that part.
I wouldn't say he knows Pythagorean theorem, but I would say he is a very good marketer and he knows how to put his story out there.
So you can't say no to it.
You don't find him annoying at all?
Oh, 100%.
Okay, God.
No, no, no.
I just want to get your views.
You ever met an annoying genius?
Yeah, he's over there.
He's sitting over there.
Our friend Kai.
Genius comes in many different colors.
They can be jerks.
They can be annoying.
They can be attractive.
They can be ugly.
There can be a lot of things.
So let's go back to the story.
Yeah.
Do you have sympathy for her?
I do not.
I do not.
I'd love to hear you.
Let me explain where I may and where I don't.
Okay, so here's where I'm at with the interview.
So I watched the interview and I'm going through.
I'm like, okay, sounds good.
Opens up.
Hey, we're not paying for it.
You're not doing this.
It's open to any questions.
Great.
She starts going into the story.
Well, you know, what happened with this?
And then Oprah showed some stuff.
You know, Katie had the bump.
And they're like, oh, wow, look how she's appreciating the bump.
But when, you know, Megan will put it, how look, she can't get her hands off her bump.
I mean, that's just true.
You can't do something like that.
Or then, hey, here's Katie eating guacamole or avocado, and look how responsible she's been with her health.
And then the same story with Megan eating avocado.
Look what she's doing, destroying water and all this.
And you should see these articles.
It's pretty bad when you compare to them.
You're saying that Megan was getting the raw end of the market?
Megan in UK was treated like Trump was treated in the U.S.
To kind of give you an idea about how that was treated.
The treatment was she couldn't do anything right.
I fully agree with that.
Kate Middleton was getting all the love.
Kate Middleton, who was Kate Middleton was getting all the love because Kate Middleton was like, I understand the traditions, et cetera, et cetera.
Yeah, well, she's British.
Kate is more, so it's not about, so Grace Kelly.
If you tell a story about Grace Kelly, do you remember Grace Kelly?
Yes.
Who was Grace Kelly?
Famous actress.
Famous actress.
Who was much bigger than Megan?
Megan wasn't at the level of Grace Kelly.
I never heard of Megan Markle.
That's the part.
The suits was a good show.
Yeah, but not.
I didn't even know she was on that show.
Guys, guys, there's Grace Kelly, and then there's not Angelina Jolie.
She's not Scarlett Johansson.
She's not even that.
She's comparing to Angelina Jolie.
The only one person you compare to.
When you're selling a house or you're buying a house or you're buying a card, what do you look for?
Comps.
The comp is the only fair comp is who?
Grace Kelly.
It's not Princess Diana.
It's Grace Kelly, okay?
So if you compare to Grace Kelly, Grace Kelly was graceful.
Grace Kelly came into the Monaco family.
She's like, hey, here's, had her own identity.
She still wanted to do her own things.
What she didn't like later on, if you go to the museum and kind of learn about her, she still wanted to do acting.
You know, one of the bigger directors at the time, who was the bigger director that did the...
Hitchcock?
I don't know if it was Hitchcock.
One of them reached out to her.
It was a guy that she had already done movies with before.
Says, I want to do another movie with you.
And she says, I can't because the royal family.
She says, I want to do it.
So he convinced her.
She went up to them.
They're like, you can't do it because now you're part of the.
So she's like, finally, she says, okay, I won't do the movie, which makes sense.
You're now part of the royal family.
You kind of know what you've gotten into.
Main, on the other hand, you know, she's been married before, a lot of issues with her husband, ex-husband when she was with him.
And, you know, and again, this is what you read about, right?
I'm not somebody that knows.
I haven't interviewed everybody to know about everyone's stories.
Her and her dad didn't speak for a couple years.
Her dad got a letter from Megan that she was thinking, he was thinking about going public with it.
Every 30 days, he says, I'm going to bring it out, bring it out until she contacts me.
So apparently there was something going on with the dad.
And a lot of people in Hollywood, you know, maybe didn't really get along with her for her, you know, pompous attitude a little bit, which what people have said about her.
Now, let's go to the interview.
Back to the interview.
Oprah is doing the interview and they're going through it.
A couple different things came up.
One was the baby.
One was the bump.
The other one was how when Archie, when she was pregnant, they said, we're not going to provide security for your baby.
Or a title or anything or title for the baby.
Which, by the way, do you believe?
And every time Oprah asked, who said that?
It would not.
Who said that?
No, she wouldn't say that.
She would say, it's what I heard.
It's what Harry and others told me.
So it's nothing ever that was direct.
She would deflect and say, it's what Harry told me.
It's what Harry told me.
It's like when you know when you go buy a house and I'm talking to the husband, it's like, oh, I love this house.
It's great, but your wife isn't here.
And I say, so do we want to make an offer?
And you say, what?
Let me go speak to my wife.
Let's call her right now.
She needs to see the house first, right?
So she would deflect.
It's a great skill set of a client to do that.
It's a let me talk to my wife.
Let me talk to my wife.
Let me talk to my wife.
It's great.
I've been through it long enough to know that this is a normal process when you're selling.
So she kind of deflected on Harry.
Hey, let me talk to Harry.
Hey, let me talk to Harry.
Hey, it's what Harry said.
Oh, so you didn't hear this?
No, but Harry told me and someone told Harry.
So there wasn't credibility about whether the kid was going to get security or not, protection or not.
Now, here's the thing.
Amongst us, do you actually believe they're not going to give the baby security?
I don't believe that.
Because if you don't give the baby security, who are you making look like an idiot yourself?
Imagine the publicity stunt if you didn't provide security for the baby.
Okay, imagine that.
Now, do I see something like that taking place and saying, hey, you know, let me tell you what happened.
We're not going to, you know what, what if we don't give them security?
Oh, you know what?
Your baby doesn't even.
So imagine like some kind of a challenge, an argument took place.
And then she says, they threatened to not give security.
Yeah, but that's kind of like saying, hey, you know what I'm going to do to you?
I want to kick your ass, dude.
I'm not going to kick your ass.
It's just something that happened.
So we don't know where that went, right?
We don't know that part of it.
Again, we just have to believe what she's saying.
In this interview, then there was a part where, you know, a conversation about Megan's baby is of color.
You know, like you brought it up a little bit at the beginning.
And, you know, there's this awkward part of the interview where Oprah Winfrey says, wait, what?
Yeah.
Who said this?
And Megan's like, it's like a five-second pause in the interview.
Wait, you mean to tell me somebody said that, do you think there was a part of this because of race?
She's not answering.
Then Oprah says, well, if it's this, I mean, if it's the first baby that could be of a different color coming in, maybe that makes them feel uncomfortable.
And she says, well, her words, if that's the assumption you're making, it's a safe assumption to be making.
Do you understand what I'm saying?
She answered it without answering it.
No, she says it that, hey, Oprah, if that's the assumption you're making, that's a pretty good assumption to be making.
So look, you know, when you're around folks long enough and you sit down with people, you kind of know how to, you know, sell and market all of that.
And then later on, hey, she asked for help.
That part, I actually believe.
And the reason why I believe that part is because, you know, in business and life, whatever you want, when sometimes you get it, not everybody can handle it.
The limelight is not for everybody.
Because what comes with the limelight?
What comes with the limelight?
Pressure.
Expectations, focus.
Trauma.
Okay, pressure of what, though?
Expectation of what.
So actually think about expectation.
What are the most annoying pressure and expectation that comes out if you become famous and you're in the limelight?
I'm talking like highest level like personality.
She's being exposed, things like that.
Such as what?
So I actually process it.
One is looks.
Look at her.
She's getting older.
Look at the skin.
Look at this.
So the judgment is hardcore on what?
What you look like, right?
What else is it?
Mistakes?
Anything else?
Mistakes, judgment on your past, past marriage.
What you eat, what you do.
Literally everything.
Everything is in a glass box.
Like you're being looked at, judged, reviewed.
So if you go from this kind of Grace Kelly had it.
She was the same.
So it's not like the day she got married to Monaco and she became more famous.
No, she was famous the day before she got married.
She was famous the day after she got married.
Megan was here.
She went bam, right?
The world now.
So I can see that happening.
You needing to talk to somebody.
I can actually see that part.
I can play a little counterpoint to you.
And it's funny how you can watch the same interview and maybe get a little different take.
Number one, when she said, I'm going to refer to Harry, maybe I looked at it like she was protecting that person that said it.
She didn't want to expose him at that time.
She already said that.
But I would have never said Harry because you're also putting the responsibility on Harry.
You're dividing Harry with the family.
That's the one person.
But he did that when he moved to the U.S.
No, that's not the point.
No, you have to know.
If I'm putting it on you, I'm almost making the division between you and your family wider and wider, which it just shows maybe you are who people say you are.
Maybe you are.
So everything, the blame was on Harry.
She didn't take any of the responsibility.
She says, it's what I heard through Harry.
It's what I heard through Harry.
She said that three times.
I'm a guy that's a diffused, unified glue.
She was dividing him and the family hardcore.
That's how I read it.
And then the security aspect, too, I think part of that was security for life.
And she was worried that maybe when the child got older, Archie got older, he wouldn't have that security down the road, probably protect him as a baby.
I have three quick points.
Number one, in 2011, when William and Kate Middleton got married, we did a book on that.
We partnered with Access Hollywood.
I wrote this book on the royal wedding.
It was the biggest thing.
The book was very successful.
It sold.
Three years ago in 2018, we were going to do a book on this one, right?
The new royal wedding.
And we had to pull the plug on it the day of the wedding.
There was just no interest.
Wow.
It would have been a complete disaster.
And we had a good media partner with it too, a very, very big celebrity gossip site.
But I was stunned at the lack of interest in that thing.
So we completely had to pull the plug or we got crushed.
I'm going to make a quick prediction here.
This is going to rattle Prince Charles like nothing else because I think in his mind, he had this succession formula in place.
I think he figured he'd be king a lot sooner than now, right?
Who knows if his mom's ever going to pass on, if he's ever going to be king?
I think, and here's my prediction.
He's going to do what NFL stars do when they go to another team, right?
Like an Emmett Smith goes and plays for the Arizona Cardinals.
What does he do?
He comes back to the cowboys, signs a one-day contract so he can retire as a cowboy.
I think when Prince Charles, when the queen actually dies and Prince Charles becomes king, I think he's going to do it for a month ceremonially, and then he's going to turn it over.
I think they need younger monarchy there.
I think he's going to put William on the crown.
He's going to make him king.
And the other thing is this really hurts Harry's brand, doesn't it?
I mean, he used to be this fun-loving, macho, cool dude.
And now he's just taking orders from everyone.
Megan, Oprah, the queen, his brother.
He just seems weak in this whole thing.
I agree.
And he's come to the United States.
But you know what?
I bet they have a really good life.
They live in Beverly Hills.
They have a huge deal for Netflix.
She's going to have that creative outlet for her, satisfied.
They can have more kids, and they're going to be relevant.
They're going to stay in the public eye as long as they want to.
Oh, the playbook for what they're following is a great playbook.
Don't get me wrong.
It's a phenomenal playbook they're playing.
But it's also because you're part of the right family.
You wouldn't have access to that playbook if you weren't part of that family.
You wouldn't have bought an $11 million house if you weren't part of that family.
It's not like he was a lawyer when I started a law firm, sold it for $200 million, took his exit, and then he went and bought a house.
And, you know, the money comes because of your last name and your lineage.
There's got to be a little bit of respect being given to the family that gave you that success.
There has to be some.
As competitive as some people may be with their, like Bill Clinton, okay?
Whoever Bill Clinton may be, his mother had issues.
A lot of issues.
A lot of issues.
If you study Bill Clinton's mother, when they asked him about his mother, he's like, well, listen, you know, you have to know it's my mother and I love her and, you know, it's been, yeah, we all have issues, but it's my mother.
And, you know, she raised me and I'm so thankful for that.
He never answered the question.
He just kind of went and gave that respect to, there is a challenge.
Like, there is not like we're talking about anything catastrophic here that happened that they hit or, you know, anything that's manipulative that took place, right?
You got to pay some respect to that family.
To me, Megan is not even the issue to me.
I don't have any problem with Megan.
Megan's like, look, hey, Harry, I don't want your life, bro.
Let's just simplify this.
I don't want your life.
I want to be me.
I've been me my entire life.
If I don't like it, I don't like it.
Megan could divorce him six years from now and she can move on to a completely different life.
That could easily happen.
The part that's a little bit disappointing to see is when I see a son of the family allowing this to happen where the public humiliation is the family, okay?
The public humiliations from the family.
That's the only part that I see.
It's the only challenge I have with that family.
Yeah, he had a choice to choose the family and the history and the crown or his wife.
He went with his wife.
Well, wait a minute.
That's not what I'm saying.
No, no, no.
I'm not saying don't choose your wife.
I'm not saying don't choose your wife.
Have a little bit more.
No, I'm not saying don't choose your wife.
I didn't say don't choose your wife.
I'm saying choose your wife.
But when you're choosing your wife, you have to say, I hope you realize this is who I am.
And I have to respect the family.
I'm respecting yours.
You got to respect my family.
Guys, we can't hear you, Sam.
Turn off your mic.
Okay.
I respect your family.
Respect mine.
We can still hear you.
So we have to respect the family.
That's all I'm saying.
If I marry Jen, hey, my family has issues.
Look, I understand.
I love you.
I want to marry you.
I want to have kids with you.
Like when my wife and I were getting married, the night before I got married, I had a meeting with my mom.
And I sat with my mom and I told her for 30 years, you've been my number one.
Tomorrow, you're my number two.
She's my number one.
Wasn't easy, but I had to tell her.
It's my marriage.
But I have respect.
Here's what's going on here.
I think that part was a little bit that.
Yeah, but it's such an extreme when it's monarchy and it's that tradition.
I mean, Harry literally had to make that choice because he moved all the way halfway across the country.
But make the choice, but say, we don't need to publicize and throw my entire family under the bus.
The whole show is about throwing the family under the bus.
If you choose to get married, I fully get it.
Move wherever you want to go.
I want to leave the family.
But don't do an Oprah Winfrey show with $100 million trashing the reason why you're living next to Oprah Winfrey.
If you weren't in that family, you don't live next to Oprah Winfrey because there's got to be a little bit of, it's the same exact thing when Americans who are raised and born in America, who go trashing America on how terrible of a country America is, rather than paying some respect and saying, hey, man, I was lucky to have been born in America.
Some of us weren't born into this incredible country.
Some of us fought like crazy.
So there's other people on the other side saying, dude, if I was part of that family, at least show a little bit of gratitude.
That's the only challenge.
Pierce Morgan is going to do a pay-per-view.
He's going to do a Counterpoint interview in England.
It'll get huge ratings, record numbers.
Someone has to get their side out of this.
Yeah, I don't know.
Pierce Morgan annoys the hell out of me.
But back to back to Harry, because I think you guys are missing one point with Harry.
I actually think that the guy has a spine and he has a backbone and he's doing what he thinks is right.
And I don't think he's disrespecting his family.
Like if Megan Markle just did this interview solo status and she did it by herself and Harry wasn't there, that to me is like he wasn't there for the party.
She threw him under the bus.
Harry wasn't there.
But then he came in and said, all right, I'm here now.
What's up?
But did you watch the interview?
It was a solo interview with her.
Did you watch when he came in?
Like he said, what's up?
Did you see it?
Yeah, yeah.
Hello.
Cheerio.
I mean, what's up?
Yeah, of course, of course.
But he came in and validated, meaning they were locking step.
Like, it wasn't like she.
Listen, he's running the show, in my opinion.
I don't think she's the boss.
What gives you the idea he's running the show?
I look, listen, when she showed up, she wasn't like, all right, you got a new sheriff in town.
Harry, take a back seat.
I'm running the show.
I got the family.
I think he's running the show.
Yes, I think very much so.
You are the only person in the world who thinks this.
Okay.
So he's running.
I have contacts in the monarchy.
I know.
So listen.
But give me proof.
What makes you think he's going to be able to do that?
I just think, look, when she shows up, you don't think that he's like, look, this is my world.
Welcome to it.
What?
No, it's not.
How do you not think that that conversation?
Have you ever seen him trash her family?
Have I ever seen?
I don't think that's irrelevant to me.
It's more like that's what she's doing to him.
He is very well aware of what she's doing.
Where did he get his wealth from?
Where did he get his wealth from?
Listen, you can do both.
You can have respect for your family, but at the same time, call out the bullshit.
Obviously, his family.
Where did you get your wealth from?
Solo.
Solo.
You did it.
Okay, so you're self-made.
Yes.
Now, imagine if you start off with 50 million bucks from your family.
Okay, but regardless of family, he's also commenting on culture, tabloids.
Listen, you got to remember.
He lost his mother to some of the craziest.
I'm okay with that.
Okay.
Yeah, I'm okay with that.
I'm a Princess Diana guy.
I'm a fan of that.
What I'm saying is the guy has a spine.
Meaning he has, like, you might not agree with how he's handling it or how he's choosing to throw his family under the bus, so be it.
But he's like, look, I have one life.
I'm seeing things that I don't necessarily agree with, whether that's in the monarchy, in my family, in British culture, in the tabloids.
And I'm a man.
I have a wife.
I have a family.
I'm going to put my fist down.
This is what I believe.
That's okay.
Nobody has a problem with that.
But pay respect to the family.
I think you can do both.
But he did not.
He allowed his wife to do a show with 100 million people trashing his family.
Well, maybe he called everybody.
He tried to call his family and they wanted to take his call.
Probably everybody.
That happens in families.
Have you ever had somebody you talk to for a while?
Do you go and do a show for 100 million people and say, hey, family, call me?
I haven't spoken to my mom in a few weeks.
You should go do a show saying, mom, how come you don't call me?
Look, I don't care about whether or not he stays or he leaves.
That's none of my, that's not my position here.
Do what you got to do.
You're a grown man.
But if you're doing it, say, hey, here's where I'm doing.
I'm leaving.
We have to respect my family because without the family, we don't.
Let me ask you this.
I think he's saying that.
No, no, he's not saying it.
If they don't have the royal family, you think Netflix signs a $100 million contract?
Tom?
Of course not.
Okay, let's see Adam because I'm curious.
Well, obviously, that's the whole freaking premise here, that he's part of the royal family.
But do you think if they're not part of the royal family, they get a $100 million contract?
But they are part of the royal family.
But you're not answering the question.
What do you mean?
Yes or no?
I'm not understanding the question.
He didn't come from that lineage.
If he didn't come to the limits, we'd be on the next story right now.
We'd be a freaking unrealistic.
If he's not, would Netflix give $100 million?
Obviously not.
Okay, so the point is, give some respect to that.
But he is.
But he's not.
I think he is.
I think he's a respectable person.
Give me a point, though.
Give me a point.
His wife trashed his family publicly.
His wife called his family racist, not caring about suicidal.
His family, she called his family.
And breaking news, maybe they are.
Maybe they freaking are.
And this is him saying, look, we can't continue life like this.
Let me ask you a question.
Disrespected my entire girl.
Does your dad have certain issues?
He did, yeah.
He did.
Does your mom have certain issues?
Of course.
You marry a wife.
She goes and shares your dirty laundry of your parents.
You're okay with that?
Depends what the dirty.
Depends on what?
Give me what depends.
Meaning, there's limits to what you're willing to take.
Listen, you guys are being super disrespectful.
Yeah.
Like if your mom was disrespecting Jen to the point where it's like, she doesn't be a part of his family.
Tico, that's it.
No title, no nothing.
At what point do you have a conversation and say, look.
Okay.
Well, then this is where we differ.
What the hell is wrong with this?
This is where we differ in values and principles.
This is where we differ in values and principles.
Let me tell you, I don't know a single family that doesn't fight, doesn't argue, doesn't have issues, doesn't have bickering, doesn't have any challenge.
There is not a family that doesn't have that.
Not one family that doesn't have that.
Zero.
Every family, if you sit there and talk to them, everybody thinks their family's like, oh my gosh, if people really know what my family was like, we all have a ridiculous family.
None of us have a family that walks on water.
Okay.
And we all have dirty issues that if people find out, like, that's your mom, that's your dad, that's your family.
Yes, that's my family.
But it's my family.
We work here.
There's walls here.
We have issues.
We have differences.
We have problems that happens here.
It's our business.
We talk about it.
We hash it out.
We move on.
It's going to happen many times.
You don't go to the public and say, let me tell you what happened yesterday when Patrick da Let me.
We're dealing with it here is what we got.
You keep it in the family.
I have no problem with you, Liban.
Zero.
Do it.
No problem.
But leave.
And the message is, I'm grateful for the family.
We have made a decision to not discuss any of our affairs with our family.
Like Michael Jordan would say, Michael, tell me about your personal life.
Hey, you got questions about my kids?
You got questions about my personal life?
I don't answer those.
You got questions about my game?
You got questions about my business matters?
I'll answer those.
He made it very clear with the media.
Today, people salute Mike.
This is not a good look to say, let's become famous by trashing our lineage that gave us all this money.
It's very unattractive to me.
That's all it is.
Yeah, and it's on Harry because she's who she is.
I can't wait to see what kind of content they produce to see if they've got the chops.
I mean, because Netflix doesn't just hand that money out.
They're not a charity.
So the pressure's on them for really to crank out some desirable content.
And we'll see if they can.
Okay, if you're watching this, if you just saw us going back and forth.
Adam's got his own positions.
I got my positions.
Tom's got his positions.
We're all somewhat different, okay?
Do you think Megan sharing her stories, she was a major, you know, they were in the right move to come out and do what they did.
If yes, comment below.
I'm curious.
Do you think, no, I totally disagree?
They should have just kept it and the family moved on.
I also want to hear your thoughts.
Comment below to see what you're saying about this dialogue that we had the last 30 minutes about Megan and Harry.
I hope you're going to be okay, by the way.
A little emotional.
Yeah, I know you're a little emotional, but it's going to be all right.
You're going to be fine, just so you know.
By the way, if anyone has any ties to Megan Markle's sister or anything.
No, I see you with Pippa.
Pippa Middleton.
That's who I see you with.
Yeah, I think Adam is sitting there saying, let me get this shit.
If I marry a Megan, if I get into the family, get $100 million on Netflix.
Oh, that's exactly my play.
Well, I lost out on my top pick.
That's a good point.
That's right.
We were talking, and she wanted different things.
So let's talk about that.
So Mackenzie Bezos ends up fairly quickly, by the way, leaving when they got the divorce.
She ends up marrying a school teacher, one of her kids' school teachers, right?
Is that kind of what happened?
A science teacher.
So what do you think about that?
Since you have strong opinions here, why don't we give this one to you?
I mean, Mackenzie Bezos, she was married to Jeff Bezos, the richest man in the world for, what, 20-something years?
Yep.
They get a divorce maybe five years ago.
Jeff Bezos starts dating Tom's good friend.
What's her name?
Lauren Sanchez.
Lauren Sanchez.
And Megan, who, I'm sorry, Mackenzie, 50 years old, ends up divorcee and only worth about, you know, $50 billion.
Something ridiculous.
One of the wealthiest women in the world.
She owns 5% of Amazon, whatever the number is.
And she's 50.
She's not young, but she's not old.
And she made headlines, what, over the pandemic for doing what?
Just completely giving billions and billions of dollars away to philanthropic charities and just being a decent person.
That's my biggest takeaway from her is that she has just been, she could have been a typical bokeh, divorcee, and just, you know, shopped at folks.
She's a little bit of bokeh alone.
That was offensive, right?
It did offend some people, but she had an opportunity to be just a, to contribute nothing to society and be rich and live on a yacht.
But she said, no, I actually want to make a difference.
I actually want to have a normal life and give back to society.
And that's clearly what she's done.
She's given away billions.
What do you think about her marrying a school teacher?
I think kudos to this freaking science teacher that put some sort of chemistry concoction together and said, all right, I'm going to woo this uber wealthy Bezos broad.
And she fell for it.
And good for him.
This guy's name is Dan Jewett.
And Dan Jewett is doing it and doing it big time.
Tom, I'm going to have a disclaimer here and say I don't know him.
I don't know him.
So, but you know what?
I don't need to know him to have an opinion, right?
I don't, and this is a farce.
This is not going to work.
This has no chance to work.
Zero.
And I'll tell you why.
Because they're just completely miscast.
And it might be all great now.
I married the science teacher.
I met him at school pickup and the whole thing, but this is not going to work because they are two different.
They come from two different worlds.
It never works.
Look at Elizabeth Taylor when she tried to marry a commoner.
It didn't work.
It never does.
And I have a friend.
I have a very good friend who is married to a very successful man, a lot of family wealth.
She grew up in a higher society, was used to that type of life.
When she got divorced, she had a relationship with a guy who really didn't have a job that really kind of flopped around, just like to have a good time.
She got tired of always having to pay.
She got tired of having to carry him.
And I think any guy would be a little insecure in this situation.
Unless this guy is the strongest man on the planet.
I mean, this thing will start fraying away.
Jeff Bezos.
I mean, don't you think?
Jeff Bezos, richest man in the world.
Jeff Bezos just landed on the moon.
Jeff Bezos, he's like, I'm just trying to land on my wife tonight.
Jeff Bezos.
Jeff Bezos.
His whole existence is to help her give away the wealth.
And I just think it's weird.
I think it's weird she got married this quick, number one.
I think it's odd that, you know, his whole, everything he's saying is too perfect for me.
Now, I could be wrong, and they could be perfect for each other and just save the world, but it's a little weird to me.
I think just to counter a counterargument on what you said, clearly she knew what she was signing up for and he knew what she was signing.
Like they knew, just like the Harry and Megan thing, you know what you're getting yourself into.
And even she said she changed her Amazon author page, ironically, her Amazon author page, ironically, Barton.
She lives in Seattle with her four children and her husband, Dan.
That's her body.
She's guilty of being her body.
She's feeling guilty for having this much wealth.
I think.
She would feel guilty if she wasn't giving it away.
That's the reason why she is guilty.
I just think she wants a normal life, raises her kids, lives in Seattle.
She knew what she's getting herself into with this science teacher.
I think the biggest question is, how long is Homie going to actually teach science class?
When one kid steps out of line, he's just like, I can't deal with this crap anymore.
I'm out.
Let's just go on vacation.
Once the honeymoon title is going to be a lot of fun.
I think that's the biggest thing is how long is he going to be a science teacher for?
You were a substitute teacher.
I was a substitute teacher.
Yeah, for a year.
You're going, where were the billionaires for me back then?
Exactly.
There was no McKenzie Bezos popping into science class being like, hey.
I think a guy, once the honeymoon wears off, is just going to feel insecure and thinking, I didn't really have anything to do with this.
It's all her.
And then little things start happening.
Maybe you're a little short-tempered.
Maybe you're a little condescending.
Maybe you're a little snappy and this and that.
And that just builds and builds and builds.
So I don't know.
I wish them all the best, but it just seems like a weird thing.
I wish them all the best, but they'll be divorced in six months.
But that's just my opinion, and I'm sticking to it.
Well, I mean, you just have to realize when you go through a very extreme relationship, extreme meaning abusive, extremely lovable, extremely a prick, extremely competitive, extremely attractive, extremely, whatever the extreme you go and date.
You typically are like, dude, I'm going to go complete opposite side.
So then you typically go, like we went extremely politically one side, then we go extremely politically.
One guy that tweets 50 times a day, one guy that doesn't even want to do a press conference.
We are so extreme as human beings, right?
So do you want more extreme or you want more normalcy?
I didn't say, this is not me.
This is what McKenzie does.
I'm just the regular guy here.
But are you saying that you go from one stream to another or go from one extreme to just I want some normalcy?
No, no.
Typically with an extreme, you at one point valued that.
So if you valued, oh my gosh, Jeff is so driven.
Freaking, this is so attractive.
Right.
You know, and you're like, dude, this guy wants to go take out Barnes ⁇ Noble.
And then you're like, dude, that's attractive.
And it's like, I want to go live on Mars.
Babe, that's enough.
I'm like, I'm limited.
I'm good.
We're taking a bookstore, but I don't care to go to Mars.
That's enough.
Let me just go marry a scientist that wants to figure out chemistry, right?
Let's go figure out some of this benzene stuff.
So now she goes and marries a guy like that.
You date a very, very attractive girl who wanted you to get her gifts every day.
And I demand a dozen roses every single week.
Oh, no problem.
You're so beautiful.
And then all of a sudden you're like, bro, I just want to miss one week of flowers with you and not be judged for it, right?
Then you go meet a girl that's just like, oh, if you get me flowers once a year, I'm so grateful for it.
Like, why don't you go?
So there's an element that going on.
You went from the richest man in the world to a teacher, okay?
To a teacher.
Now, you know, it could work.
It could work where you're just kind of like going away and just kind of kicking back and relaxing.
But Tom's got a good point.
It's going to be very, there is a reason why J-Lo's dating A-Rod.
Okay.
There's a reason why Jay-Z's dating Beyonce.
Jay-Z is Beyonce.
Beyonce is Jay-Z, if that makes any sense.
A-Rod is J-Lo.
J-Lo is A-Rod.
Kanye is Kim.
Kim is Kanye.
There is that understanding of what it is with the limelight.
You know, you've been trained on how to do it.
This science teacher has not had limelight except for 20 kids that are screaming his names, throwing paper to you.
To counter-argument that, you always hear people in Hollywood like, I do not want to marry another actress.
I do not want to marry someone in a line like that.
I wanted just someone who's low-key, be the mother of my show.
Do you remember what you said?
You said something.
You said, you know, ever since I've been around your company, what I'm starting to realize, the power of couples.
Correct.
Okay.
That's the couple power.
So McKinsey is, that's a different kind of a, you know, you have to know, like, McKinsey, who do you think McKinsey's met in her lifetime at a dinner?
Everybody.
Everybody.
Are you kidding me?
Who hasn't?
She's met her before.
But what I'm trying to tell you is she's met every who's who.
So who do you think impresses her?
Nobody.
Can you imagine you're like, oh, McKinsey, tonight, I'm going to take you out to dinner.
Double girl.
And I'm going to introduce you to the number one realtor in all of such and such county.
It's like, bro, I own the company.
What are you talking about?
He works for me.
So it's not going to be hard to impress.
You take a girl out the first time to Europe.
She's like, oh my gosh, Tom, this is such a beautiful place.
You take a girl that's been to Europe 50 million times.
Right.
Okay, let me take you to the restaurant.
You follow me, guy.
So there isn't that.
I want to get that.
Yeah.
You know, I think they're doing it for the right reasons.
Okay.
I'll give them that much.
Okay.
You know, but it's already come out that he played a big role in her divvying up that four bill that she gave away at the end of last year.
And I'm just thinking, how are you this qualified to be telling her what to do with the money?
Jeff might be thinking as well, you know, I'm the one that kind of built this company and earned this money.
Now they're giving it away.
So Joe, let's see what this guy looks like.
Watch him have like a ridiculous six-pack and runs 10 miles a day.
Yeah, let's get a little bit of a person.
There's something called human nature.
And a guy doesn't want to be taken.
He doesn't want to be taken care of all the time.
Is that him on the left?
Oh, boy.
He's just a dude.
He's a dude.
Wow.
She looks happy.
We must be related.
That's a very similar nose.
I recognize that nose.
He's the Armenian science teacher.
Good for you.
Well, I mean, look, she looks very, very happy.
Yeah.
Holding her Kindle.
And, you know, obviously they're hanging out somewhere there.
Pat, you brought up something, so I'll just circle back to that.
Like, when you deal with four years of extreme.
By the way, he's still upset with Megan, just so you guys know.
Go ahead.
Clearly distraught.
But, you know, the whole thing with Biden, you know, not to get too political here was we had such an extreme personality, such a showman, such a marketer, such a, look at me, look at me, it's all about me.
News.
Sound of like Megan, yeah.
So go ahead.
I don't know about that, but I think there's a lot of people craving in this country.
Like, bro, just shut your mouth.
Get off Twitter.
Oh, interesting.
I don't want any of that drama.
Stay aligned with your points.
My points are intact, sir.
My points are intact.
Here's my point: is that this country, a lot of us, a lot of people, 80 plus million, we're like, dude, just enough of the drama.
I just want something a little more chill.
Again, not too political.
Back to McKenzie.
I think she was like, look, I dealt with a guy who'd want to see Adam 15 minutes ago and then changes with McKenzie.
What is the matter with you?
My point is completely concise.
I think she just wanted a normal, chill life.
She married the science teacher.
Oh, my God.
She'll never run.
She's running Carpool pickups.
She definitely has a type, bald guys.
You figure she'd go with a guy with a full head of hair if she wanted to.
At least she's consistent.
We respect that.
Eric Golera should have sled it in.
Eric had a shot.
Editor.
So let me give a shout out to a couple people.
Nicole Crino gave $5 and said, Megan just guaranteed the Crown has a fifth season.
Harry is a soy boy.
Millennial men don't understand honor nor heritage.
Okay.
Yimi Marino.
Have y'all seen Harry in Afghanistan?
Have you seen Harry in Afghanistan or no?
Well, back in the day when you used to go?
Yeah.
Okay.
And then we got Cove 12X12.
I still can't believe topic of the day is royal family and not how people are being brutalized in China.
Okay, very interesting.
That's a shout out to us talking about China.
Rothschild owned the royals and the media.
You're being duped into focusing on this fact, actual problems.
And then cafecito break, we should protect our family and work out our own problems privately.
Bringing out family drama attracts chaos.
Does this help build up relationships?
You know what?
Good for you, cafecito break.
But okay, so next, what do we want to talk about next?
What do you want to talk about next?
You pick it, Adam.
How about you pick the topic?
I think we got to talk about your boy, John McAfee.
You want to talk about John McCaffrey?
I think that you have a personal experience with this guy.
He's all over the news.
Crypto, Bitcoin, blowing up.
He's an interesting guy, and he might be facing life in prison.
So John McAfee.
Let's hear this story.
Can you pull up the interview with him and I where he pulls up the gun?
I think it's like 43 minutes.
I don't know the exact time.
That's what I want, baby.
I want that story.
So, antivirus magnet, John McAfee has been indicted on federal charges related to fraudulent promotional cryptocurrencies.
Cybersecurity mogul and former presidential candidate is a variety of charges brought up by U.S. Department of Defense.
His executive advisor ranked, and him and his executive advisor raked in more than $13 million from investors through a variety of means related to cryptocurrencies.
The first scheme was scalping, also known as Pump and Dump, when McAfee's cryptocurrency team allegedly purchased large amounts of digital coins at low prices, knowing that McAfee would then endorse them on Twitter.
This is exactly what my concern is with Musk, by the way, what I talked about the other day.
This is my concern with Musk that he's playing with fire.
He irritates the wrong person.
They could do something to the guy.
They could do what they did to Trump to him.
The first scheme was scalping and it dumped.
Okay, McAfee then allegedly recommended such coins without disclosing he owned them.
Finally, the cryptocurrency team allegedly sold the cryptocurrencies following temporary price spikes that were generated by McAfee's tweets.
A second alleged scheme in which McAfee and his team members used McAfee's Twitter account to promote initial coin offerings without disclosing they were being paid to do so.
If found guilty, McAfee 75 faces a potential maximum prison sentence that would amount to a life sentence.
Thoughts.
Let me get your guys' guess on, number one, how old do you think he is?
Well, I think he's 75.
I think I already said that.
He's 55, correct?
I just said 75.
Okay.
At his peak, what was his net worth?
And what do you think his net worth is now?
Peak was 100 million.
Okay.
Yeah.
What is it now?
Less than 5 million bucks.
You're absolutely right.
Yeah.
He was worth $100 million at one point.
I think he sold his company to Intel.
McAfee Security.
If you ever go on your computer, you're antivirus.
What's the word today, right?
Something insane, right?
20 plus.
Yeah, 20 billion, right?
Ridiculous.
It's owned by Intel.
He sold it, cashed out, you know, 20 plus years ago, was living his life.
Now he's worth, quote unquote, $4 million.
Okay.
So anyone who was worth $100 million at one point, built this ridiculous company, was doing whatever the hell you wanted to do, and now you're worth basically $4 million.
What kind of desperate measures are you willing to do?
What kind of pump and dump schemes are you willing to go along with?
Well, just get back in the library.
He spent his money partying hardcore.
The guy partied like a rat.
He was Dan Bilzerian before there was Dan Bilzerian.
He was the original Playboy.
If there was social media when McAfee was doing what McAfee was doing, McAfee would probably have 100 million followers today.
His life, what he was doing, was ridiculous.
In the 90s, 2000s, one wasn't.
Have you ever seen his documentary?
No.
I don't recommend seeing his documentary if you don't like to see weird, kinky, sexual, desirable things.
That's not my style.
He's kind of very conservative.
Then you may want to watch.
If you actually like what he does in his documentary, that would say a lot about you.
Well, I think, you know what?
My first impression is exactly what you say with your experience with him, with the documentary and everything.
He's a weirdo.
I mean, he's got this genius thing going for him in a positive and negative way.
But, you know, let's get to this case.
You know, is he guilty or innocent?
It seems like even Marsha Clark could win this trial.
I mean, this one seems really, really obvious.
It centers around this cryptocurrency called Cether, right?
Where he said he told the feds that he had no involvement in it whatsoever.
But the same day, he privately wrote to the Cether's founder, quote, for the next few weeks, take my name off your site.
I want to be able to leverage my Twitter with people assuming I have no relationship with you.
So there seems to be a smoking gun and a real trail here.
So he's already in custody, I think, isn't he?
I think he's in custody.
He's been in hiding in Belize.
He is, and then he went to Guatemala.
So I would imagine, you know, his goose is cooked.
He's done.
They're probably going to get him and it's over.
I would imagine this is the final chapter for him.
That would be my prediction.
Well, he's already been all up in the news headlines for tax evasion.
That was prior to this.
Yeah, but do you know why he got arrested on the island he was living in?
Do you know the whole story?
No, tell the story.
Do you actually know the story?
I do not.
I want to know the story.
No.
Okay, this is a because he is in custody, isn't it?
Oh, yeah, yeah.
So he goes and gets this house, beautiful home.
In where?
Belize?
And I think it's Belize.
And his neighbor is a guy that got the house right next to him because he wanted to retire.
He just wanted to have a peaceful life.
So then he shows up.
McAfee's your neighbor.
He had a pit bull in the backyard.
This pit bull would bark non-stop, non-stop.
McAfee's dog would bark non-stop, non-stop, non-stop.
And the neighbor says, You got to do something about your dog.
I'm trying to have a peaceful life here for retirement.
Your dog's going crazy.
So, what does the neighbor do?
The neighbor says, gives the pit bull a poisoned steak.
He poisons the steak, gives it to the dog.
He murdered the dog.
McAfee comes to the back and sees his dog dead.
He says, You got to be kidding me.
This is a story.
He sees that.
He hires somebody locally to go take the guy out.
He takes the guy out.
Wow.
Allegedly.
And then he tries to run out the country and he got arrested, et cetera, et cetera.
So that's one of the stories.
But, you know, the guy's got edge.
So we showed up to his house.
If you want to pull up the video, so we show up to his house.
I'm in the car.
I'm having a call.
Was it 43 minutes?
43 minutes.
I'm in the car and I'm, what do you call it?
Talking to Tom.
And Mario says, Hey, Pat, you may want to come inside because these guys are freaking out there.
You're parked outside on the phone and the car is still on.
Please turn it off.
How long ago was this interview?
I don't know, three years ago.
Where were you like that?
Where did you do it?
Tennessee at his house.
Yeah, so there you go.
May 7th.
Exactly, you know, 34 months ago, right?
So I'm in the car.
He says, Come inside.
I said, What happened?
He said, We just got frisked.
And so the guy, our camera guy at the time, he was frightened.
He's like, What the hell is going on, Luis?
Right?
He is purely panicking, okay?
So I finally go inside.
I say, Hey, what's up?
Hey, how are you guys doing?
They're good.
So tell me about your story.
What do you want to know about my story?
I'm a vet.
Oh, really?
What were you stationed at?
You know, I was stationed, I was in Navy SEAL and a ranger.
One guy's in Navy Seal, one guy's in Ranger.
I said, No way.
I was at Fort Campbell, Kentucky.
Really?
What was your Moz?
I was a 63 Bravo.
What unit were you at?
326 engineers.
Okay, this motherfuckers talking about.
He's like, We won't kill you.
Come on, man.
Bring out the whiskey.
So we go to bring it out.
He said, Listen, man, we got five prostitutes upstairs.
You want to go?
I'm not even kidding with you.
So I'm like, Yeah, I appreciate Barfur.
It's okay.
Thanks, Mr. It's okay.
Let me rain check.
Rain check.
And I'm sitting there.
I'm like, but look, dude, you know, so we start.
These guys were really cool guys.
There's 10 AK-47s on the table.
Oh, my.
I'm not even kidding with you.
10 AK-47s.
These are his security guards.
Yeah, these are security guards.
There is at least 10 German shepherds outside.
Okay.
And then all you hear is this sound.
Like a chain.
Massive sound of chain.
Like, I have no idea what's going on.
It's the garage opening.
But you've never heard a sound.
As if it's a seven-ton garage wall, whatever that's open.
So it opens up.
It's like, oh, shoot, he's here.
The dog starts barking.
I said, he's here.
He's here.
So I'm waiting.
He shows up.
He has a gun on his side.
When you see the interview, McAfee.
Fully loaded.
Okay.
He has whiskey.
He's smoking while he does the interview.
In the middle of the interview, somebody knocks on the door.
One of the guys jumps up, goes to the door with a gun, seeing who's at the door.
In the middle of the interview, you just got to see this to believe it because this almost sounds fake, but you got to see what happens here.
Is he going through?
See the guy?
Russia.
Pat does not even move.
Look at the gun to the thing.
Go back a little bit.
Go back a little bit to show it again with the doorknock.
Go back 10 more seconds.
Russia, you've got 50 different options to watch.
Watch.
Or even direct flights.
For someone who knocks on the door.
Where the heck is he going through?
Russia.
City gun to McAfee's right.
So who was the guy that knocked on the door?
Who knocked on the door?
I have no idea.
For me to say, is he good?
Is he bad?
I don't have all the facts.
Neither do you.
Neither do I. You did not even flinch.
No.
What am I going to do?
Did you think that that was all real or were they showtime for you?
Oh, no way.
It was 100% real.
They were paranoid at the highest level from the beginning to the very end.
Because at that time, he was going through something as well where they were after him.
And they didn't give us the address to his place till two hours before the interview.
They didn't give us the address.
Where was it?
Like in the Tennessee Hills or was it outside Nashville?
Two hours outside of Nashville.
There's only capabilities out there.
Are they worried about the internet?
I was in Nashville.
I had a meeting with Arthur Waffer.
And then, you know, we're trying to see if we can get McAfee.
And they said, and then you go into the, it's literally in the boonies when you go to this place.
Gotcha.
And then we sat down, we spoke.
And I have to tell you, it was actually a very good conversation.
And the craziest thing, at the time, Bitcoin was at like $7,000.
He made a prediction saying Bitcoin is going to go to $48,000.
It went to $48,000.
Yeah, so he said it was going to happen by the end of 2018, but it ended up going to $48,000.
So to his credit, it ended up going to $48,000.
But it's a very, very interesting individual.
What's your biggest takeaway from the interview and where it is currently in the middle?
This is my concern with crypto.
So exactly what happened here, you have to know that exactly what's going on here is happening with cards.
And when you're able to manipulate crypto, because so a guy goes up, okay, imagine Elon says, Bitcoin is the future.
Okay.
So if you bought Bitcoin, let's just say Elon, and I'm not saying he did or he'd not, but let's just say somebody connected to him buys Bitcoin at 30,000.
Bitcoin's the future.
Goes to 50,000.
He dumps.
He says, I'm not that cool about Bitcoin now.
Drops to 40,000.
Oh, we're doing $1.5 billion.
So Elon, Elon has to be, he's the genius genius.
He's got a very high ranking of a genius, obviously.
But, you know, you have to be careful.
If you think you're untouchable, the way you become untouchable is you typically have upset a few people on your way to the top.
If they decide to do something, you know, you just have to be very, very careful where you're not too much.
Look at Trump.
Hey, you become a president by doing what?
Calling everybody out.
Then you become a president, at least do what?
You know, calm down a little bit, right?
And what does he do?
Keeps it going.
Double down.
So what happens?
COVID doesn't happen.
The guy gets re-elected.
So they shut it down.
Yeah, states take a hit.
He doesn't get re-elected.
You could have taken a slightly, so that's the only thing that I'm concerned about, Elon, because Elon is one of those guys that he can bring so much innovation and progress in technology in other ways.
He is a very important figure.
Now, keep in mind, nobody's bigger than the league, of course.
But he's a guy that in our era, he can do a lot of positive influence.
Sure, you know, he has a positive impact.
He has absolutely no margin for brevity or doing anything that might be lighthearted because every word he puts out there is taken to such an extreme.
I mean, you know, the SEC's watching him.
He's already gotten their attention, what he's doing with Dogecoin and with everything else.
But man, can you imagine waking up knowing I can't have one moment where I throw something out there harmlessly because it's going to be taken to an extreme?
And it will affect markets.
It will affect lives.
It will affect jobs.
You know, he's so fascinating right now.
You know, like we talk about trading cards.
Wouldn't it be cool if you could invest stock into personalities like a Musk, like a Bezos, like a Buffett, who's going up, who's going down?
That would, you know, are trading cards for these guys.
I think that would be really cool too.
But, you know, it's every day and the level of brilliance of Musk.
Just yesterday we find out about this big solar or this big electrical thing he's doing in Texas.
You know, then it's SpaceX.
Then it's doing 25 tunnels in Miami.
It's just unbelievable.
And the other thing that about Musk, which I find interesting, is imagine how many smart people work for him.
He hires the most brilliant of the brilliant for every one of his companies, but they don't get any credit.
How do you hire guys that are that brilliant but have no ego?
Everything goes to him.
He gets all the credit all the time.
I wonder if that affects anybody down the chain.
Very interesting point, by the way.
And he has to be the masterful king of recruiting.
All right, just to get what he's getting to stay one step ahead of everybody in every industry.
And you know what?
He probably, you know, they talk about Tesla losing its value, and I don't want to lump a whole bunch of categories into this, but do you think he really cares?
Because he's got three other things, and his biggest play in the future is going to be power anyway.
It's going to be battery.
It's going to be electricity, that kind of thing.
So he's five steps ahead of everybody, but the one thing that could take him down is one careless tweet because that really could be a big problem for him.
And who is SEC?
That's my only concern.
It's not even my worry is.
And so the good thing about Milan Musk is the fact that he can't ever run for office unless if they change the laws, which is actually a good thing for him, believe it or not.
Because he was born in South Africa, you're saying.
Yeah, but the challenge for him, his enemies, his enemy is not Jack Dorsey.
His enemy is going to be SEC.
That's who he has to keep an eye out, the regulators.
The regulators have to keep an eye out.
And for anybody else that's kind of watching, that's on the crypto side, that you were thinking about the pump and dump, you're going to see how quickly stories like this hurts crypto people.
This doesn't help crypto people.
Correct.
So I don't know if this makes sense or not.
The folks who are in crypto don't want stories like this.
You want legitimacy.
You want normalcy.
You don't want stories like this.
Exactly.
So let's give the legitimacy story to the crypto people.
And let's go to JPMorgan that just posts a job posting that says they want 34 blockchain jobs at the beef up JP Morgan coin, right?
So U.S. mega bank JPMorgan Chase has 34 open blockchain job postings on its website.
It's quite possibly a record for any company in the crypto market.
Many of the job related to Onyx, Onix, the division created last October to oversee JPMorgan coin.
A search for blockchain or JPMorgan's career pages actually brings up 56 open positions with 34 including the tech and the job title.
In contrast to this, Goldman Sachs, which recently said it's starting a crypto trading desk, has just two blockchain cryptocurrency job openings.
Morgan Stanley has also two.
By the way, two to 34, that's 17 times more.
When you see this, what do you think when you see this, Adam?
What do you think when you see this kind of stuff with JP Morgan hiring 34, Goldman 2, Morgan 2?
Yeah, I mean, it's this, we just talked about legitimizing Bitcoin.
You don't want to see a story like McAfee out there because, you know, years ago, not too long ago, when you thought of Bitcoin and crypto, it was all illegal, drug dealing, you know, shady type stuff.
And now it's gone mainstream, right?
Like it just recently hit a trillion dollar market cap.
It's come down a little bit, but it's at $960 billion market cap.
The whole thing here is legitimizing and making this cryptocurrency mainstream.
And the cornerstone behind Bitcoin is this blockchain.
So when you start to see companies like Tesla and Square and Visa and PayPal and everyone kind of accepting this and Tesla pumped in, you know, 5% of its cash reserves, $1.5 billion.
And then you start to see these big-time banks, JPMorgan Chase, look for opportunities to basically enter the states.
Like they're building their JPM coin.
It's ridiculous.
I don't read too much into the fact that Goldman Sachs only has two potential positions because you talk about it all the time, that they only have 400 advisors across the country, whereas Amero might have 5,000, right?
So, what's the numbers on that?
You talk about that all the time.
So, it's just this is mainstream.
It's legitimizing everything that's going on, and you're just sort of weeding out the bad apples like the McAfees of the world who are trying to get involved in pumping dump.
Yeah, I think this is a huge play for JP Morgan.
I think if you're a client to them, you got to be really feeling good and knowing that you got some smart people leading that company.
They say that they're not looking just to hire for 34 jobs, they're looking for experts.
They're going to Singapore, they're going to India, they want the best of the best of the best.
You know, you mentioned some of their competitors.
I mean, someone has to dominate in this space, and they're saying it's going to be us.
They're planting their flag in the sand, and it's a really, really smart move.
Sachs, like you said, has two job openings.
BNY Mellon has four.
I guarantee you, the CEOs of these other companies, when they saw this, are going, oh shit, they're owning this space.
Not a good luck because there's a finite amount of talent out there for people that do this kind of thing.
If you go after them and say, I'm going to get the 34 best in the world, everybody else is getting scraps.
They're going to dominate because of this aggressiveness, I think.
You're not buying Bitcoin, though.
No, no.
You mentioned this.
What do you mean I'm not buying Bitcoin?
Meaning, you're not like.
No, it's listen.
Some people missed it.
I'm in the category of missing it.
Anybody that got in early on the Bitcoin side and they bought it at $100 or $200 or $500, guy said the other day, my friend bought in 2007, $500 of Bitcoin.
The guy's a DECA guy right now, right?
And from 2007 to today.
Yeah, no, it's in the direction we're going.
I always believed in the technology.
I thought the regulation would come sooner.
I thought the regulation would come sooner, where somebody like Janet Yellen is going to come in and participate and kind of make it a little bit uglier.
But look, more power to the Bitcoin community for getting this kind of publicity that they're getting specifically with companies with smart people like JP Morgan Chase, Morgan and Goldman that are entering the market.
You talked about Janet Yellens of the world.
Jerome Powell, chairman of the Fed, recently came out and he basically said that they're looking into the crypto space not to take away the prowess of the dollar, but to complement it.
And I think it was 86% of all central banks are also looking to this across the globe.
And when a central bank implements a currency, that is, it is like companies don't have to accept it.
Like Bitcoin, Tesla doesn't have to accept Bitcoin.
They can make a choice.
No question about it.
But if a Federal Reserve of a European bank comes out and says, no, we're accepting this now, it's now the law of the land.
It's official.
Like Rafere with a whisk.
Now it determines the pricing of it.
Now it's going to be, is it priced right?
Is it overpriced?
Is it going to go higher?
Is it going to go lower?
No one knows.
But you know, it is something that is official, and there's nothing you and I can do about it.
It's here.
Yeah, for sure.
Crypto's not going away.
And, you know, I have a good friend who's in this space who's really kind of an expert in it.
We did a story with him on VT Post a few weeks ago, and he really broke it down.
You know, like, it's not like these businesses say, hey, we're just going to start accepting Bitcoin.
They're accepting payments from processors who process the transaction from Bitcoin.
So it's not like mom and pop shop or a restaurant, you know, can't do it.
They can, you know, because of these processing companies that do, you know, take the Bitcoin and then turn it into cash for these guys.
So, I mean, it's going to become so much more mainstream than it is now.
We've heard more about Bitcoin in the last four or five months than we have in the last four or five years.
Obviously, it's going up.
But man, when you're talking about politics and chaos less, there's other things to talk about.
And it's like we've landed on stocks, the market, and these big icons in the industries.
It's awesome.
It's awesome for them.
Listen, all I can say is I love seeing anybody that comes up with an idea, whether you believe it's going to happen or not, for them to succeed and go up against the grain.
I salute any one of them, whether it's something I support it or not.
If it's a positive impact and it's given competition to the market, which crypto is doing, salute to everybody that's in the crypto market.
Okay, so Vegas, Vegas benefits.
Because you guys know, Vegas has been crushed.
I went to MGM to get a tour there, Grand Arena.
The employee said, we let go of 200 employees.
They haven't had a job.
Nothing is going on in the convention.
When did you do that?
When were you there?
Five months ago when I went there.
Five months ago.
So Vegas benefits as Nevada eases some coronavirus rules.
The tourist destination built for excess and known for bright lights, big crowds, indulgent meals, and headline shows has slowly begun to reopen after the pandemic, halted business in March.
Nevada Governor Steve Sisolak has signed an emergency order adjusting the minimum distance between performers and audience members that previously challenged the return of production to Las Vegas.
Previously, performers were required to maintain 25 feet of space between audience as a precaution against 25 feet.
I mean, that guy took it to a whole different, not six feet social distancing, 25.
I mean, apparently these entertainers can spit pretty long.
I mean, they're record-breaking spitters, apparently, if that's even a word.
But some smaller venues could not accommodate the restriction.
The Noergency Directive effective immediately updates the minimum distancing to six feet if performers were wearing masks.
If performers were wearing masks and 12 feet if they're not wearing masks.
I mean, I cannot believe if performers were, can you imagine Justin Bieber performing with a mask on?
I mean, that just makes no sense to me, Tom.
Yeah, you know, I think no city's probably been hit harder than Vegas.
I mean, for Las Vegas to become a ghost town, that's depressing for this country.
And that's what it was, literally for a long time.
I have a friend that went there last week, and he says they still have the bare, they have a plastic shield for you if you're playing cards, right, at the tables.
I think you can correct me if I'm wrong if that's still the same situation.
But I think Vegas is going to rebound in such a big way because this country, you can tell the weight is kind of coming off everybody's shoulder.
These vaccination numbers, even the doom and gloom naysayers of the world, the Dr. Fosseys of the world can't scare people fast enough over the optimism with all the vaccinations that are going on.
And I think people are going to be spending money.
You know, the economy is doing okay.
They're talking about a 4% unemployment rate by the end of this year.
So that means there's going to be money out there to spend.
And I think people are going to make up for lost time.
So if Vegas is opening up a little bit right now, like for me, I want to go out there sooner than later because it's going to be so damn crowded that it won't even be fun later in the year.
But, you know, I like a forward-thinking governor who knows tourism is our number one thing.
Vegas runs this state.
We got to change some rules to make it happen.
By the way, what's the social distancing at some of these trip clubs?
I mean, are they have to stay 25 feet apart?
I mean, that probably affects their cash flow.
I don't know.
Why don't we go find out, Tom?
Why don't we go find out?
I think the biggest takeaway that you can see going on with news from Vegas, what's happening in the markets, what's happening in the job sector is that hospitality is back, baby.
Like leisure, travel, hospitality will make a major return this summer.
I mean, I was out in South Beach this weekend.
It's like COVID doesn't even freaking exist down there.
Clubs partying packed.
I mean, you can see the job numbers over here.
It's February jobs, like leisure and hospitality is back.
The vaccination is coming, vaccinations are in place.
You know, 100 million Americans have already had the vaccine, something like that.
By this summer, let's say when the weather starts getting nicer, a couple hundred million Americans are vaccinated.
Jobs are back.
I think COVID knock on freaking wood will sort of be a thing of the past.
I think we'll still obviously, you know, have certain restrictions and certain ramifications of having it.
You know, the stock market, you start to see that the FangStocks and the Tech Sox, the NASDAQs have been getting crushed for the past month.
Why do you think that is?
It's because all the money is going into cruise lines, airlines, companies that specialize in hospitality.
Because the stock market is forward-thinking, not thinking about what's currently happening.
It's thinking about what's going to happen in the next three to six months.
And all indications are by the time this summer hits, hopefully back, we have a return to normalcy.
And then here's the key terminology that Tom sort of touched on, and it's called pent-up demand.
People haven't been able to go out, party, vacation in a freaking year.
We're almost at like the one-year mark of everything shutting down.
And I think people are.
I don't know if that's true, though.
You partied hardcore, Madison.
You partied hardcore.
Yeah, well, it's the gecko.
It's the gecko.
Shout out to the gecko and Paul over there.
Shout out to Tom Ellsworth's mom, Babs.
It's her birthday today.
Happy birthday, Babs.
Babs is a good friend.
We once went on a date with the Lambo or the Ferrari.
I took her out and we had a great time together.
She loves speed.
I think she went bungee jumping one time in her 70s.
Wow.
Yeah, pretty respectful.
Babs is legit.
Yes, she is.
Here's my question to you, Pat.
How excited are you to get back to a normal Vegas type experience?
How excited am I to go back to a normal experience?
Vegas-type experience.
Like, what does that mean, Vegas?
Two it up.
Are you having a 21-year-old Vegas type, Pat?
Because I don't have that 21-year-old.
That guy does not exist.
Are you talking about a 35-year-old, a 41-year-old?
I'm talking about a 41-year-old Vegas experience, Bonanza, greatest show on the industry.
We're going to be putting the greatest.
That's what I'm talking about, everybody.
Grand Arena.
We'll have 15,000 people at MGM Grand Arena in August, and we're excited about it.
We already announced three speakers.
Joe Coy, comedian, will be performing.
And then we'll have Patrick Lincolni, the legendary author.
And then we have Frederick DeSilva, the number one illusionist in the world.
He is ridiculous.
He'll be performing.
Very good performer.
I've seen him do it multiple times.
We've had him come out multiple times.
And then we have three other speakers and entertainers.
One of the biggest showmen in the world will be performing on awards ceremony night.
It's a name everybody around the world knows with tens of billions of views.
We'll be entertaining.
It's a massive check, but we're excited to have him there as well.
And then another person that everybody around the world knows.
He officially inked yesterday.
He signed yesterday.
We're excited to announce him.
I think April 7th, I'll be announcing.
Obviously, I can't say what it is, but April 7th I'll be announcing.
And so we're excited about it.
Look, here's the thing about Vegas, man.
There's something about Vegas.
You know, all this thing about Zoom, like, oh my gosh, business is only going to go from working from home.
No, it's not.
You're not going to work from home.
Because I had a guy that I talked to, a 20-year-old kid.
You remember that one 20-year-old kid started crying, saying, I'm in my basement.
I made $150,000 the last 12 months, but I'm miserable because we need what?
We need interaction.
Human interaction.
Interaction.
We need argument, debate, laughter, jokes.
How you doing?
What's going on?
Sympathy.
Touch and feel.
We need that.
We need each other, right?
Even if it's strangers, you're going to a restaurant, no one's sitting here like the food here must suck.
You go to a restaurant, 28 people sitting there.
You're like, okay, cool.
I feel safe.
We feel safe being around other people as well.
I'm excited about it for the folks in Vegas.
Lee, a good friend of mine that runs a very good-sized audiovisual company.
Him and I have been going back in for this.
He's telling me, Pat, things are looking very, very good.
Another guy named Marshall, who's been doing stuff for us for a long time.
We've spent millions of dollars with these guys over the years with AV.
They're saying things are headed in the right direction in Vegas and not just Vegas, other places as well.
Obviously, Florida led the way when it comes down to anything to do with what do you call it?
COVID?
Convention, sports, bubble.
Sure.
You know, they were leading the way, and it's good to see now others following suit as well.
Well, I know you're super excited for what will happen in Vegas, and this might be a good segue to that Zoom story that's in the news.
But something that you talked about, and I'll use our friend Tom here as a case test, a dummy, if you will.
You know, something that you've talked about, the buddy in the basement, something that you do here at Value Taint at PHP is Pat, sometimes you just, Pat shows up in your office and goes, how you doing, man?
What's up?
What's up?
Cool.
That's it.
And that, just someone just rolling up on you, just checking in on you, bud.
You're good.
Cool, cool, cool, cool.
Is so freaking powerful, man.
Especially from a CEO.
And people don't get that these days.
You know, like Pat shows up in your office, hey, what's up?
Just saying, what's up?
And just that human interaction is obviously what we need it.
Oh, my God.
So just, hey, man, just all good.
It's more than just like, you're like, oh, let me, what's up?
You know, like, it just shakes you up a little bit.
We're humans.
We're touching.
We're talking.
This is needed just like, you know, water, food, shelter, human interaction is essential.
Yeah.
I mean, you mentioned the Zoom thing.
You know, there's a thing called Zoom gloom, and it's real.
There's a Stanford professor that spent nine months looking at this, and there's so much evidence of why it's bad.
It is not good.
We've all hit a breaking point.
And if you think it's good for you, you think you like the freedom of not having traffic, ultimately, this is going to destroy a lot of things in society.
Yesterday, I'm on the plane coming out here, and like someone, you have a little interaction with someone, you try to smile at them, it's gone.
They don't know that you're smiling at them when you have a mask.
And that's one of the problems with Zoom too.
Here's one of them.
It's unnatural to be looking at yourself that long.
And that's what you're doing on a Zoom call.
You're seeing yourself as well.
And nobody looks at themselves that long.
Also, you need to be moving around during the day.
You need to have some sort of facial expression or have some nonverbal communication, even if it's an eye roll in a meeting if somebody says stupid, something stupid.
So the Zoom thing, you know, it's funny because Zoom stock just keeps going up and up and up.
And I'm, you know, you can say what you want about it, but people have to get back to the office.
That's why I think when Twitter came out and said, hey, you can work from home for life.
Are you serious?
They must be able to save so much money by not having these employees come back to the campus for them to say something like that.
It doesn't make any sense.
I think people will be flocking back and wanting it and craving it.
You mentioned that kid in the basement.
You know, that's a common.
I got a crazy question for you.
What is the biggest selling point?
Okay.
Okay.
You ever talk to folks who said, I'm never going to get married?
Yes.
Never going to get married.
I'm going to be single for the rest of my life.
What is the selling point of staying single the rest of your life?
I guess you only have to answer for yourself or you do whatever you want whenever you want.
What else is it?
What else is the benefit of being?
And by the way, I'm not pointing at you because that's not you.
You don't want to be single the rest of your life.
But when people that say they want to be single the rest of their life, what do they say?
Well, how do they sell it?
Bill Maher is like the poster child of this.
I do what I want.
Nobody tells you what to do.
I come and go as I please.
I don't have to deal with the annoying kids.
Yep.
Changing diapers, drama.
You know, as many girlfriends and stuff.
What do I need companionship for?
Like, they're only talking about the upside.
Okay.
Who are you venturing?
Exactly.
Who you talking about?
You know how people overly sell you on being married?
What's the selling point of marriage?
Come hang out with us.
Like, company shit, all this other stuff, right?
Okay.
You know what's the best way to describe Zoom and face-to-face?
Zoom, you're single.
Face-to-face, you're married.
Dude, it's like, I don't have any, I just say, what's going on, all this affection?
Dude, we need marriage relationship, man.
It's like, how you doing?
How you feeling?
Like, even today, I walk in.
Tom's in the corner, blah, blah, blah, you know, pumping out a story.
He's writing something like, hey, what's up?
Hey, what's up, Pat?
And I was like, hey, what's going on?
So I think the, and when we work face-to-face, what happens more?
More arguments, more challenges, more differences, more, I don't know, da da da da.
But that's called relationships.
Yeah, but you also have more collaboration.
Moreover, so what I'm saying is it comes with more conflict, but it also comes with why we're human beings.
Nassim Taleb, which I don't know if you've read any of his book, he wrote Anti-Fragile, Skin in a Game.
Have you read any of this guys?
Let me tell you, if you start one chapter, you will read all of his books.
Let me say this one more time.
If you read one chapter of Nassim Taleb, go on Amazon, read a free chapter.
Once you do, prepare a couple hundred dollars because you're going to write, you're going to read every single thing he ever wrote.
Nassim Taleb, right?
And he wrote Skin in a Game, Anti-Frag, a couple other books as well.
Black Swan.
Huh?
Black Swan.
Black Swan, yeah.
So when you read his book, there's a part of it that he says about, you know, anger.
Take this medication to not be angry.
Take that medication to not have temper.
Take this medication for this.
He says, you know, he says, when it rains, I feel a little bit depressed when it rains.
He says, guess what?
I want to feel depressed.
Like, I want to be a human being that feels depressed, that it's a little bit gloomy, you know, it gets dark and all that.
He says, when my team loses, I want that six-hour annoying, upset feeling for no reason.
I didn't lose any money.
I don't get paid.
I'm not the athlete, but I want that frustration of my team just lost.
I got to go to work tomorrow and face Johnny, who's going to tell me, I told you we're going to lose.
He says, I want that feeling.
He says, when I'm angry, I want to have that feeling.
I don't want you to eliminate a part of me being angry because it's what makes me what?
A human being, right?
It's a human being.
So I think people are looking forward to being human beings again.
Yeah, and you can be a human being in Vegas all you want, man.
Yeah, people are going to be dying too.
Yeah, so that's that part with, we cover that story as well.
So what else we got here?
You know, let's talk about the $1.9 trillion.
What page is that on, by the way?
Do you see it or no?
Kai, what page is the stimulus on?
I thought it was paid.
Is that the price for that island?
That private island?
You want to do the island?
Kai, do you actually have a picture of the island or no?
Pull up the island.
It says politics.
Oh, there you go.
Okay, I see politics.
Go to the island.
So folks, if you're looking at buying an island, there's one island on the market.
By the way, Jack Dorsey's tweet is what I wanted to go next.
So this island, let's see if I got it here.
Where's the island at, Kai?
Do you have it up?
The biggest private island, that island right there, is on the market, and they're starting it at what price?
I think you said there was no minimum bid.
Yeah, no minimum bid.
So here we are.
Estimated opening bid.
Biggest private island in Sala and Bahamas is about to hit the auction block and there's no minimum bid.
The 730 acre undeveloped island known as St. Andrews or literal Ragged Island is the Bahamas Southwest and most largest privately held island currently listed for sale, the estimated opening bid of $19.5 million according to the auction house holding sale.
Bidding opens on March 26th and it requires a $100,000 deposit.
The listing notes that the island could be transformed into a private home or resort with enough space for an 18-hole golf course.
The island is 10 minutes by boat from the tiny settlement of Duncantown on nearby Reggae Island, which has an airstrip for private planes.
It's about 372 miles south of 372 miles southeast of Miami.
So it's not far from here.
Tim McGraw and Faith Hill listed their 20-acre private island last month on which they build a 6,500 square foot home for $35 million.
The 430-acre private island that comes developed with five luxury villas, a beach club and a spawn, a boat docks is now on the market for $45 million.
So what do you think about buying an island?
Like, is there any dream to want to own an island one day?
No!
No!
Because when I think of private island, I think of Jeffrey Epstein.
I think if you have a private island, something bad is going to happen there.
Yeah, I'm suspicious of people that want private islands.
You're hiding something.
Plus, I want amenities.
Okay.
I don't want the person that's landing my plane, the air traffic controller, to also be the delivery guy for Uber Eats and the dry cleaner on the island, okay?
I want a developed country that has infrastructure.
I don't want a private island.
I can live without it.
That's like doing Zoom all day.
Having a private island is like a broadcast.
We just talked about it, right?
Give me a big city, put me in the middle, and I'll be a hell of a lot of people.
Listen, I don't know if you can say anything because if you do, you may be friends with Epstein.
Because if you want to have an island, I've just tagged everything.
I'm flipping on you.
So would you want to have an island or no?
For some reason, the only thing, like, you're thinking of Jeffrey Epstein, the one thing that I'm thinking of is the Fire Festival.
I got my own freaking island.
I'm throwing a party and I'm ripping people off.
But who dreams of having their own island?
Is the dream of owning an island shot based on what these guys just said right now?
Like, are you like completely done wanting an island?
Sam wants one.
No, I don't agree at all.
You want an island?
No.
No, you don't.
So, how about you, Sam?
Anything with an island or no, whatever?
Who cares?
Kai, you don't have an opinion on an island?
You know what's not on an island?
It's cool.
I mean, Richard Branson is the name where I go with Private Island.
I mean, he bought Knicker Island.
And it got destroyed by a hurricane.
I mean, that's what's going to happen.
You own an island.
You're setting yourself up in the Bahamas that something's going to happen.
But you own an island.
Yeah, Branson.
And then, by the way, I was at Hawaii a couple weeks ago, and I was right across, right?
The island that we're staying at was Ellison's Island, right?
Ellison's Island right there that he had 98% of the island he owns, which is pretty interesting to own 98% except the beaches.
You know what else isn't on a private island?
A freaking hospital.
Okay, what happens if you get bit by a shark on your private island?
What the hell are you going to do?
You're basically saying it sounds good in theory, but in practicality, it just sounds like crap.
It's a lot of work.
If a friend in your life that's like the guy from Couples Retreat comes to you and says him and his wife are thinking about getting a divorce and they're going to an island, Couples Retreat, you and Shonda would not go to the married island.
You wouldn't go to it.
You wouldn't want to go there for like a week?
I can't go anywhere for a week.
Number one, so that rules.
Shonda, that's out.
That is officially out.
Yeah, I mean, I think there's something about an island.
I don't know.
You're feeling the vibe.
The only thing for me that I think about an island is I think about recruiting people I care about to live together on an island.
Like it's like, listen, if you got all the money in the world, you're 65.
You're like, listen, you get your 20 best couples that you hang out with.
You're like, dude, what if we all built a home and we go there and we build a little community for ourselves and we just hang out?
You know, what would that look like?
You know, I think it'd be a fun weekend.
I just don't know how you could sustain it out there.
I don't disagree with you.
I don't disagree.
I don't think you're buying an island to live on an island.
Although Larry Ellison is saying he's going to go live on the island and leave California, but I don't know if that's going to be an issue.
Let me tell you, being a South Florida boy, Miami boy, I only have a few islands in mind.
Fisher Island, Star Island, Hibiscus, Palm Island.
South Beach itself is an island.
That's the islands that I'm interested in.
That's what happens.
I don't want to be online.
I'm not going to have a royal family.
Yes.
Me and Harry, we're hanging out.
I am still thinking about Blake Griffin going to the Nets.
That's still what I'm thinking about.
Does he have anything left, you think?
Yeah, I think he does.
For being a number four guy, I think he's a good number four guy.
I don't think he's a good one.
Someone's got a rebound, right?
No, he's a good number four guy.
By the way, he's actually got good shots, 17-footer, you know, 18-footer.
He's going to be a good fit for that team.
He's going to be a good fit for that team.
He's still one of the top, I think, 20 highest player paid players in the NBA.
Which is a rip-off, but that's the part of the league.
They protect the players.
Well, look at the NFL.
Dak Prescott is now the highest in the team.
$120 million.
$122 guaranteed.
Oh, really?
What do you think about that, though?
Go to vtpost.com and you'll see how I think about it.
Really?
Post the story.
Post the storyvtpost.com.
The headline's pretty good.
You'll have to read the headline.
If you read the headline, you'll know what I feel like.
Which one would it be sports?
Overpay Dallas Cowboys to pay Dak Prescott like he's Amazon.com, even though he's winning percentage resembles the USP.
That's you and your titles, man.
That's kind of how I feel about it.
Jerry Jones was backed into a corner.
He had to do this.
Well, go to my last line.
I think I had a good analogy at the end.
I go, because I was drawn, I was saying Tom Brady has, you know, taken less money.
He's wanted other talent there.
He doesn't care how highly paid he is.
If Tom Brady were to be compensated based on Dak Prescott's criteria, he'd be worth almost as much as the new school teacher husband of Jeff Bezos' ex-wife Mackenzie Scott.
That's a great callback.
That is a good callback.
Anyway, so I think he had to do it.
Jerry Jones had to sign him.
I tell you, I tell you, in that part, the one thing about no matter how much people say about Jerry, there's one thing about Jerry that's very unique.
You know what it is?
He doesn't change quarterbacks that often.
Once he locks onto, if Jerry believes in you, Jerry believes in you.
Like, Jerry's like, you know, who was before Prescott?
Who was a quarterback?
Tony Romo.
Tony Romo.
Like, everybody said, dude, trade him already.
He's like, no, I'm sticking to him.
Right, even with all the injuries and stuff.
Yeah, he's like, well, you know, Prescott, you know, he's sticking with Prescott.
After injury, pay him this kind of money.
And he overpaid because two years ago, he was going to pay him 30 million years.
So he ended up paying this contract.
So there's a part of Jerry that you have to know, no matter what people say about Jerry, good for Jerry for doing what he did with that.
Hey, by the way, Jerry made hundreds of millions during that Texas storm.
He's invested in these energy companies or oil companies.
Somehow, if you look it up, Jerry Jones really, really profited over those storms.
I love Jerry.
I think the Cowboys have to be interesting and exciting for the NFL to be great.
I miss the Cowboys being truly relevant.
And I just don't think Dak Prescott is the guy to make him that way.
Oh, you don't think that's good?
I don't think so.
I think they are what they are.
I mean, they might make the playoffs, but they're not going to do any damage.
So I think, you know, they're stuck with him for four years and they're not going to be going to the Super Bowl.
There's no way they're going to the Super Bowl.
No, there's no way.
Because his contract is prohibitive to bring in 33% or like what's your no, no, it's less than 33%.
And you know what?
My percentages are dead on.
You don't have a track.
I am never wrong.
Prince Charles is going to give up the crown after one month and turn it over to William Market down.
Tom's got a lot of predictions.
He's just blindly throwing dark.
No, not blind.
No, no.
I don't know about you.
Academy of Composition Art Collectors Love My Art Score.
He gave a hundred bucks system that lets them put the into number of quality of RPVD.
You probably don't have time to check it out.
Would you send an email to info at Valutainment?
Maybe I'll take a look at it if you send it at info at patrolbaydavy.com.
Pat, what's your thoughts on DARPA creating cryptocurrency?
Government would not allow new currency unless they have full control.
I mean, that's, again, for me, currency is based on control that I see some of these guys wanting to get involved in.
They want to be able to control it.
Trump will buy that and bring his mega fence to start his own country.
Treyland.
Please do, Donald.
Go ahead.
Head there.
Get your own eye on it.
And our buddy here, Covey12X12, said, I just paid to say I love you, even you, Adam.
And I meant it from the bottom of my heart.
I love you, Adam.
I love you.
I love you.
Okay, you were going to say something about Prescott before I interrupted you.
Am I the only one here?
I love seeing the Cowboys lose.
I love it.
You're Stevens.
I don't know why.
But it's a lot of people.
Goddamn Cowboys.
I love it.
It's a lot of people.
I did like the Michael Irvin, Emmett Smith, Troy Aikman days.
You know, early 90s, there was some swag.
But every year people jump on the Cowboy.
This is our year.
And like, I don't know.
Will Jerry Jones win another Super Bowl before his time, you know, the clock runs out?
What do you mean?
Answer the question, though.
Oh, my.
Answer the question then.
Adam.
Will Jerry Jones have crossed the line.
You've offended so many people.
Well, I mean, first of all, stop getting so emotional.
China hacks me.
I tell you, the British Empire is about to hack the hell out of you.
Go ahead, Ted.
Okay, so you're not going to answer the question?
I don't know.
Well, Jerry Jones.
Is Jerry Jones going to win another Super Bowl before he dies?
I think so because he's going to live to be 100.
And they have to get past this Dak Prescott disaster.
And he's not.
I like Dak.
He's a good quarterback, but he's not great.
You're agreeing with Tom or you're agreeing with me?
Oh, whether they're going to win?
Yes.
I'm betting on he's going to win.
Yeah, he's an ultimate winner.
Everything he does.
I'm betting he's going to win.
Go ahead and get it.
Take him down.
So this was after the Super Bowl, the year that the Cowboys beat.
It was the one they played in.
They beat Pittsburgh.
Okay, so they win the Super Bowl.
And I was there.
We were doing our Sunday night show live on the field right after the Super Bowl.
This is when I was working in Chicago.
And Jerry Jones couldn't have been cooler.
We grab him right at 10.30, boom, boom, boom.
He's doing an interview with him.
So then we have just a few minutes left in the show.
And I was going to go into the locker room and try to get some interviews with a couple more players.
So I'm waiting in line.
I finally get into this cramped Cowboys locker room.
And out of nowhere, this guy starts calling my name.
He's going, my man.
And I, my man, we did it.
And he's looking right at me.
And I couldn't, I go, I was looking behind me to see if he must have been talking to somebody else.
Finally, this guy is zeroing in on me.
We did.
I told you we were going to do it.
It was Deion Sanders.
So he got me confused with somebody else.
So I thought to myself, let me go over there.
He clearly thinks I'm somebody else, but let me run with this.
Let me go try to get an interview.
We can get him live.
I go over there.
He keeps, he hugs me.
And did he think I was Chris Fower?
I don't know who he thought I was at the time.
So this is classic.
So I go, Deion, we only have a couple minutes.
Could you come outside and do a quick interview?
He goes, my man, you know my motto.
If it don't make dollars, it don't make sense.
He literally told me that line on the spot.
I don't know who he thought he was, but that was his way of not doing the interview.
If it don't make dollars, it don't make sense.
So that was his way of declining the interview.
And to this day, I would love to find out who he thought I was.
You knew you were hitting it.
He was like.
Did you not recognize the great Tom Zenner?
My theory is maybe he thought that was Chris Fowler of ESPN.
I'm not sure.
Where do you put Deion?
I'm the greatest athletes of all time.
God has got to be right up there.
When you think about him playing in the Super Bowl.
Bo Jackson.
You put Bo Jackson?
Yeah, a little bit.
I don't know in either statistic if he did more than Deion did.
Statistically.
One was speed, one was strength.
Oh, no, Deion was a 320 hitter.
He had a season where he had 320 in baseball.
That ain't easy to do that.
And Deion had.
What did Bo hit?
270.
Yeah.
You're saying Deion over Bo?
We'll never know with Bo.
That's the problem because, you know, he got injured and it was over.
But, man, they were both spectacular.
You don't know what he was saying.
But Deion changed games.
I mean, he completely shut down one half of the field.
That's true.
Because they would not even try to throw to him back in the day.
That was a private island right there.
And he was a threat returning punts.
And he was exciting.
I mean, he was the most exciting player in the league for so long and we miss him.
Yeah, he was.
Listen, the one thing, let me just see this.
Batting gaver.
Because batting average tells you if you can make it or not.
Like, you know, T-Bow went in there.
Yeah, he hit 304 in a season.
It's not easy hitting 304 in a season.
Bo Jackson didn't hit 304 in a season, but Bo was a great athlete.
So Deion Sanders, if there's a guy, imagine racing with him, 40-yard dash at his peak.
They say he ran a 4-1-9.
Yeah, 4-1-9 is what he ran.
A 4-1-9.
And they, no, 4-2-1.
And they say Bo ran a 4-1-9.
He said, Bo just came in, said, you ready?
No stretching, no nothing, ran a 4-1-9, and he left.
Did you hear the latest story with Deion Sanders?
You know, he's a head football coach for small school.
I think historically black college.
Yes.
Yeah.
I forgot which one.
He coached his first game.
They crushed him.
They won.
And then he came back to his locker room.
He retired and went into the hospital.
No, no.
He came back to his office.
All his stuff was stolen.
His jewelry, his wallet, his credit cards.
And it was like, obviously, he's like, I got to tell you, I did the press conference.
We won the game and all that.
But where's my shit?
Someone stole my shit.
And like in the middle of the press conference, something to that effect, it resurfaced.
And he's like, nah, nah, nah, I ain't playing that game.
Someone stole my shit.
And I don't know who it was.
But there was some drama going on with it.
It became the big story because he thought he had his stuff stolen.
And he made the whole press conference about that.
But then they tried to say, no, no, no, it was just a mistake.
Someone else accidentally took it or whatever.
He wasn't buying it.
No, he's like, they're like, Deion, how does it feel to win?
Hey, yeah, we won the game, whatever.
Where's my shit?
Think out.
I'm wearing my chain right now.
It'd be stolen too.
Where's my shit?
He must have had some expensive stuff that he left the volume.
So, Tom, why don't you tell us about your book that's coming up?
Well, thanks.
Okay, so here it is, Pat.
You saw it standing here.
So about a year ago, I started writing this book.
You know what it's like to write a book.
It's a process.
It's a journey.
This book is on Daniel Ponce de Leon.
Okay, so a lot of you know of him, but maybe you don't, but you've seen him.
So he's a pitcher for the St. Louis Cardinals right now, a great guy, unbelievable human being.
So back in 2017, he was pitching in AAA for the Memphis Redbirds in Iowa against the Iowa Cubs.
The game started at one o'clock, which actually was a big part of this story.
He gets hit in the head with a line drive and he goes down.
Now, this made all the newscasts.
It was played everywhere.
He goes down.
There was no bleeding and he never really passed out.
But inside, the hemorrhaging was going on.
So luckily, the trainer was so smart and got on the scene immediately, identified everything, did everything right.
They got him off.
He was begging to stay in the game.
Long story short, they get him off the field and then all hell breaks loose.
He's throwing up.
You know, they had to cut his uniform off.
They get him to the hospital, emergency surgery, shaved off part of his skull.
Doctors told him, you will never play baseball again, which just seems to be a logical thing, right?
Now, he had just had a baby.
He's a Christian, but really wasn't living the life maybe exactly how he wanted to or he felt he should be.
Starts healing.
He's in intensive care for over a week.
He starts healing, okay?
Decides to try to keep playing baseball.
His head finally heals too, and he comes back the next year and he's in the minor leagues again.
So great success story.
He defied the odds, gets called up into the majors in July of 2018 in his major league debut against the Cincinnati Reds.
He goes to the mound and throws a seven-inning no-hitter.
MLB.com calls it the second greatest debut in baseball history.
So then they got the idea to write the book.
I was one of the writers they were considering.
There was a long process to be selected.
My bad.
Yeah.
And then I went out and spent some time with Daniel and I put the book proposal together and then we ended up selling it to Hachette and Hachette Books published it and it comes out today.
March 9th is the day.
You'll be seeing Daniel on the news a lot today.
They're in Jupiter, Florida.
As a matter of fact, not far from here.
I'm going to go say hi to him today.
But it's a brilliant book.
It's a great book on his story.
And I think anybody can apply some of this to their life.
If you're an entrepreneur, if you're anybody, if you have family issues, if anything like that, anything can be overcome.
When you can be in intensive care and told you'll never play baseball again, and then to throw a no-hitter in your major league debut, it's unbelievable.
The best part is he's doing something with his life now.
He's inspiring a lot of people.
And that was the whole intent with this book is to tell his story so it can help people.
And that's all Daniel wants to accomplish with this.
And it was great working with him.
And he's a class act and a great guy.
And he's a really good pitcher.
I mean, he is one of those power pitchers that strikes out a lot of batters.
And now he's with the Cardinals.
And he's going to be one of their top players this year.
So it's out today.
It's a great story how you can overcome any kind of odds with faith, perseverance, and hard work.
That's what the bottom line is.
And that's something we stand for, Valutame, what we talk about.
The best of comeback stories and redeeming yourself, redemption.
I just added the link there.
Great story.
I said, order Tom's book.
It's in the chat box.
Kai, let's put it in the comment section as well.
Look, if you follow the contest, the podcast, we don't sell you much.
We do maybe sponsorships here and there when people ask us and we like the products.
If you support us, I suggest you go support Tom Zenner and buy the latest book that came out, One Line Drive, the story of Daniel Ponce DeLeon with Tom Zenner.
Again, we'll put the link below.
If you support the podcast, you enjoy the podcast, you like what we do with Valutain, go order this book today.
Just came out today.
Congratulations.
Thank you so much.
Yeah, and you guys got your copies.
You're going to enjoy it.
I'll make sure you get one, Adam, too.
You'll love it.
I know writing a book is emotional.
I know writing a business book is you're constantly working on it.
Writing a story like this, you want to get all the details right.
And it's exciting when you finally have it.
And with a company like Hachette, Hoshette's got a reputation as a publisher.
So it's very exciting to see that.
Thank you, guys.
I appreciate it.
Yeah.
I wrote it during the pandemic at the beginning of it.
I really like the very beginning of the pandemic, every day.
And real quick, what's the connection with Jeff Deutsch?
Oh, yeah.
So Jeff Deutsch, a good friend of ours.
He's Daniel's manager, a former agent.
So all these worlds kind of collided.
It's really crazy.
Just the shrinking of the world is crazy.
Onelinedrive.com gives you a little bit of backstory on the book.
Linedrive.com.
How old is Warden?
Onelinedrive.com.
Pons is probably 28 now?
And you know what?
Here's the funny thing, too, because you know what it's like.
When you have somebody that you work with to write a book, you form a unique relationship and you have to come up with whatever style works for you.
And I know he completely submerged himself into his life when he did the book on you.
Daniel and I had our own way of doing it that really seemed to work.
But this was funny, and I found it ironic at the very beginning.
We have the same birthday.
And I just think that's so bizarre.
Crazy.
Yeah, right?
I just think there's a little bit of something to that, which is just crazy.
And he's from LA.
So it's a big deal in the Wednesday.
Tom Zenner's birthday.
January 16th.
Oh, you just same day as Daniel Paul.
We were moving.
Yeah, we got him on the wall.
No, you got the cigars.
Cigars and the wine, right?
We didn't even hear about it.
We didn't even hear him.
Yeah, it was his birthday.
It was his birthday.
During the move, we were moving.
Well, it was during everybody having COVID is what the era was when the podcast was down for several weeks.
Thanks, guys.
You know, I like to keep my birthday on the down low because my kids don't know how old I am, and I want to keep it that way.
41.
You're young.
Exactly.
I'm sorry.
You're little.
It was really tough for me just getting 40, man.
I was still depressed last year, but man, I'm getting over it now.
We look great, buddy.
Gang, once again, episode 44.
Reminder for everybody that we are doing 45, episode 45, this Thursday at 9 a.m. Eastern Standard Time.
So we're going to go an hour test it this Thursday to see what's going to happen with West Coast people because they keep saying, I want to be on it live.
Can you go a little earlier?
We start, it's 5 a.m. over there.
They would like it to be 6 a.m. when we start because they missed the first hour.
And this Thursday, we'll be having Tom Ellsworth here with us.
So last Tuesday was Tom.
So it's Tom, Tom.
Maybe even Babs makes an appearance.
Who knows?
Yes.
Who knows?
Last week was Sonata and Daniel DeMartino Booth.
And this week it's Tom and Tom.
Well, Kay, let me just say one last thing.
Keep it rolling.
And the impact I'm seeing, Pat, is unbelievable.
I mean, I was out and about the last few weeks, and Valutaniers are out there just pumping up the podcast.
They love it.
It's just so bizarre when you're out there in the world and you're seeing it.
So credit to you for what you've built.
And man, it's getting big.
Yeah, I mean, this is just the beginning, man.
You're that guy, David Pitpatch.
You got that.
Well, when they see you, they don't even know your name.
They just say, Soyboy, what's up, Soy Boy?
You know, you got the nickname.
Can we go take a shot of milk?
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