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We are live with, I believe, episode number what, Adam?
Is this 29?
I got 29 on.
Episode number 29 with our good friend who is back, Biz Doc, aka Tom Ellsworth, not the other way around.
Biz Doc, also known as Tom Ellsworth.
Tom Ellsworth.
Tom, how are you?
I am great.
Thank you so much for having me here, Pat.
Yes, can you tell us why you're wearing that shirt?
What's so special about that shirt?
Especially in the shirt.
You interviewed me some time ago, and you said, interviewed with a guy that had sold four companies for a total of a billion dollars.
And in that, I ranked Lewis Hamilton fourth on my Formula One list.
Has it changed?
It has changed.
Don't break my heart right now, Tom.
No, no, no.
He's number two all the time.
Behind Senna?
Behind Senna.
So Senna still stays number one in the painting.
Senna stays number one.
Tragedy prevented the big stats from being piled up.
Well, for some of you that don't know Tom, Tom used to run a show on Valutaine called Case Studies, and he crushed it with case studies.
I think within a span of six months, he was the number one case study guy on all of YouTube.
And we had a conversation.
We said, Tom, why don't you come here?
We got a lot of things to talk about today.
Business.
We had a sit-down yesterday talking about preparation for today's podcast.
Adam, is it fair to say this is going to be a pretty jam-packed podcast?
We got a lot going on.
We got a lot of stuff.
Tom brought some case studies, some heat, some topics.
Here's Tom's got to make some predictions today.
He's like a forecaster.
I'm going to make a prediction today.
Tom's prediction is going to be with business.
My prediction is going to be with Iran.
My prediction on Iran has to do with nuclear, who they recently killed, and we'll talk about that extensively.
And Tom's prediction is going to be on what's going to happen with business.
And you will be surprised what Tom has to say about Netflix.
Very surprised.
What Tom has to say about Netflix.
And it's not what you think he's going to say about Netflix.
And I might have a couple sports predictions while we're at it.
You say that.
Five viewers.
Oh, my God.
We're about to get a thousand viewers.
By the way, before we get started, here's what I want to know.
We're thinking about doing a shirt.
We caught a bunch of guys who were ordering the products over the weekend during the Jones-Tyson fight we were watching.
And a lot of Tyson Jones fight.
A lot of people were asking about coming up with a Soy Boy Mafia shirt.
If you're up for a Soy Boy Mafia shirt and you would buy it, push the subscribe button.
If you would buy it, now watch us get only like five subscribers.
All right, let's do it.
But we're curious to know if we want to come up with the Soy Boy Mafia clan, soyboy mafia shirt.
Let's do it.
Put that there.
We've had a wonderful weekend, and I hope you guys had a good weekend as well.
We got a lot of things to go through here.
One, let me give you the topics.
Number one, Amazon goes on hiring Spree without equal.
No one's even close to them.
They hired 427,300 employees this year.
Let me say this one more time.
They hired 427,300 employees this year in 10 months.
We'll talk about that.
Tony Shea Pass, rest in peace.
Facebook to buy customer service company called Customer with a K.
This next one is pretty controversial, but I think it's important for us to get into it.
Your boss can really think about this.
Your boss really, really thinks you should get vaccinated.
Meaning, your boss can make you get vaccinated.
Can they really?
We'll talk about that.
One kid made $40,000 buying 200 PlayStations and he resold it and made $40,000 cash.
Good for him.
We'll give a shout out to him.
GM wanting to buy Nicola and then turning it around and saying, no, we're not really interested.
A tweet yesterday from myself towards, who is it?
Who was it that I sent a tweet to yesterday?
Jake Tapper from CNN that they finally came out and they said, oh, it was all China's fault.
And they knew they were not disclosing the data.
And we'll talk about that a little bit.
We'll talk about that a little bit yesterday.
Congress is briefly recovering, reconvening under pressure from Trump and Biden to pass COVID-19 stimulus bill after months of gridlock.
Iran's top nuclear scientist was assassinated by a remote-controlled machine gun placed in the back of another car.
The country's media says Tulsi Gabbard wants Trump to pardon Edward Snorton, Edward Snowden, and Julian Assange.
Uproar in France over proposed limits on filming police, meaning France wants to tell its people to no longer be able to record what cops are doing.
So that's pretty interesting to see where that's going to go.
Biden, I mean, catastrophic, fractures foot.
It was all over the news while playing with his dog to wear a boot.
I mean, that was on the news nonstop.
Gallup coronavirus vaccine poll.
And we got a few other things.
Fauci made some comments.
Another fight he had with Rand Paul.
Biden chooses all female communications staff.
Again, a bunch of different topics we have here to go through.
One professor from Stanford lost her mind.
She lost her mind over the internet, and Snoop did a pretty good job commentating, which I'm proposing him getting a $3 or $15 million contract from somebody.
Having said that, let's get right into it.
Why don't we talk about Amazon?
Let's get right into Amazon first.
Let's get that one knocked out of the way.
By the way, if you're happy, Tom Ellsworth's here with us, with Adam and I, push the thumbs up.
And if you got your friends that join you on this podcast with us, share this with everybody so we can also tune in.
People can tune in and participate in the commentary.
And who knows?
We may make a phone call today to somebody.
We may call a police officer from the show, LivePD, to tell us what he thinks about what's going on right now and what he thinks about no cameras in France, not recording cops.
I'd love to get him on the line, get his thoughts.
Let's talk about Amazon.
Okay, Amazon on a hiring spree without equal.
The company has added 427,300 employees in 10 months, bringing its global workforce to more than 1.2 million.
That's an average of 1,400 new workers a day.
Let me say that one more time.
That's an average of 1,400 new workers they hired per day and solidifying its power as an online shopping becomes more entrenched on the coronavirus pandemic.
The hiring has taken place at Amazon's headquarters in Seattle at its hundred of warehouses in rural communities and suburbs and in countries such as India and Italy with its new employees they hired.
That's 50% higher than last year.
The spree has accelerated since the onset of the pandemic, which has turbocharged Amazon's business and made its winner of the crisis.
Starting in July, the company brought on board 350,000 employees, 2,800 a day.
Most have been warehouse workers, but Amazon has also hired software engineers and hardware specialists to power enterprises such as cloud computing, stemming, streaming, entertainment, and devices, which has boomed in the pandemic.
Okay.
427,300 employees.
Tom, thoughts?
I think this is amazing.
So for all those people that were saying Amazon's not hiring anybody, they're just going to put robots in all the warehouses and everything.
Hey, you're wrong, baby.
They're hiring people.
That's a good point.
It may not be a job that everybody wants, but there's a bunch of jobs out there in a clean warehouse where you can get some basic benefits and get a job.
What do you think about the protesting?
People protesting saying you're not paying them well enough.
You're not taking care of them.
You're working their tails off.
It's not fair.
What do you think about all the protesting?
Look, you know, there is not a CEO out there that hasn't endured people wanting more.
And I don't think that's such a big surprise.
And everybody wants a living wage.
But look, you know, if you're a part-time worker in a warehouse and everything, maybe that's not, you know, a full lifestyle job.
And so I think entrepreneurs take it the chops too much.
You're making jobs.
Everybody's paying a little bit in taxes.
You're adding to the economy.
You're making enabled consumers can go buy other things.
And somebody's going to be upset with you.
What do you think about it, Adam?
Yeah, I mean, to echo Tom's thoughts, a couple different thoughts.
We pulled it up last time.
If you go to relentless.com, relentless.com, I challenge everyone out there to pull up relentless.com and see what gets pulled up.
Boom, Amazon.com.
Just to kind of put their mentality out there, they bought relentless.com just to show like they ain't going nowhere and they're going to keep hiring and hiring and hiring.
I actually did some research.
You know who the largest employers on the planet are on the entire planet?
The largest employers on the entire planet.
I mean, it's the government is the highest.
Correct.
Number one.
Walmart.
Yeah.
Is that the U.S. Defense Department, 3.2 million people?
Number two, the Chinese Army, 2.3 million people.
What's that?
What's the name of the Chinese Army?
The People's Freedom Movement, whatever it's called.
Yeah.
Chinese Army.
Number three, Walmart, 2.1 million.
Number four, McDonald's, $1.9 million.
So now where is...
That's as of 2018, by the way.
Exactly.
Exactly.
This is as 2020, just 2020.
Not 2020.
They haven't calculated.
2020 data, Walmart's at 2.4 million.
Okay, gotcha.
So I need to step my game up.
No, no, but you got good data.
They keep going.
Yeah, no.
Point is that Amazon last year wasn't even on the top 10 list, but now they're likely to be cracking the top five pretty soon.
Kind of like what Tom said.
You know, they get a bad name.
The robots are going to put people out of work.
They're hiring like crazy.
What's the stat here?
That 384,000 job applications just since September 16th, it says.
So look, you're looking for a job.
Amazon's got you, right?
So respect Amazon, like we talk about here.
Entrepreneurs get a bad name, but 25,000 of those jobs with an average salary of $150,000 were supposed to be in New York until AOC and DeBlasio push them out.
And Cuomo said, what the hell are you guys doing?
Stupid movie.
25,000 jobs at an average salary of $150,000 were supposed to be in New York and de Blasio.
And AOC said, it's not fair.
You're going to come and raise wages and you're going to raise a lifestyle and rent's going to go up.
Like, what the hell are you talking about?
You got 25,000 jobs at $150,000 and they went elsewhere.
Plus thousands and thousands of other jobs.
Those are the high-paid workers.
I mean, obviously the people that are even just making $15 an hour, whatever it is in New York City that they pushed them out.
It's sad.
Did you have another thought on this?
Yeah, just another thought.
I mean, just to, you know, maybe end this argument, if not, I would say the two biggest entrepreneurs or the biggest names and the billionaire names in the world for the past few decades have been Warren Buffett and Bill Gates, unquestionably, straight up.
Now, without question, you're talking Bezos and Musk now.
Like the new guard is here.
The old guard, obviously, Warren Buffett is, what, 90 years old, somewhere around there?
I don't know if I would put Gates in the old guard because I think Gates just getting started.
You got to realize, Gates is how old.
How old is Give Bill Gates?
He's in his mid-60s.
That's not old.
I'm not saying that.
That's not old.
When you're worth $100 billion, guess who's your doctor?
65.
There it is.
Yeah, 65.
Who's your doctor when you got a business?
I'm not saying he's gone, but he's clearly not focused on business as much anymore.
He's more about humanity.
Doogie Hauser, the best doctor in the world.
He's still favorite though.
He's Bill Gates' doctor, probably.
Neil Patrick Harris.
That's right.
Doogie Hauser.
Did you grow up to a Doogie or not?
Oh, Doogie Hauser.
Are you being sarcastic?
No, no, I'm not sarcastic.
I can't see you being a Doogie guy.
I mean, I was like, I see you as a Doogie guy and a Melrose Place guy.
I'm more about doing the Dougie kind of a thing than the Doogie Hauser.
Can you do the Dougie?
No, I was never able to.
I never really got into that show.
Well, Tom, I've seen you dance.
I guarantee you, your dance moves will get a lot more views online than Adam's dance moves.
I don't know, but my dance moves keep chiropractors employed.
Were you a doogie hauser guy?
I know, I just said that I was not a doogie houser.
I could see you totally being.
Why are you pissing him off?
You just said it for the third time.
He's not a doogie houser.
Tom's got the kind of a temper of a scientist.
Don't slap me around.
Soyboy Matthew.
Let's go back to this topic.
Let's go back to Target.
Somehow we went from Amazon to Doogies.
Yeah, that was a lot of people.
I'll take the responsibility, Tom.
Don't blame the Doogie Hauser.
But go back to this, Tom.
Any final thoughts on that?
By the way, here on Amazon, you can get all the old Doogie Hausers.
I'm sure they've got a bunch of links there to the old DVDs.
They probably do.
And you can still buy them as DVDs or download them from Amazon video.
You're just plugging Amazon over here.
No, no, no.
I'm not trying to plug Amazon.
It's just, you know, it's interesting you brought up, and there was a stat I thought you had looked up, Adam.
It's like there's another half million jobs out there that Amazon's created that are contract jobs for drivers.
Right.
And so you've got drivers out there.
And, you know, somebody was just rolling up here on one of the comments and was saying, hey, don't forget us truckers.
We get contract jobs on Amazon.
They move a lot of stuff.
And so.
What's next for Amazon, Tom?
I mean, if you're really thinking about it right now, the conversation that came up yesterday was monopoly.
And hey, is anybody facing a monopoly right now?
And Paul said, monopoly is when you own 100%.
I said, monopoly is not 100%.
I think monopoly is a 50% rule that they have.
If you start getting more than 50% of the target market, you start kind of facing monopoly type of issues.
Used to be 75%, some say 75, some say 50%.
But say it's around a 50% number that you're talking about.
Federal Trade Commission's got low radar, 51.0%, and then they come visit you in your lobby.
Is that visit going to be happening anytime soon, or is Walmart preventing them from being a monopoly?
I think Walmart, you know, it's interesting to look at.
I was the other day, I was looking at Target.
Target very quietly, you know, didn't want to just be the number three guy that just died a lonely death.
And they've done a lot with their online and delivery and COVID.
But I believe that there is a move that is coming for Amazon.
And maybe it's going to slow down under the Biden administration, but there is a move that's coming from.
From Target to compete with.
Well, yeah, I think there's a lot of people who want the U.S. government to kind of clip their wings a little bit.
And because it's not a bad thing if Sam's Club and Walmart, same thing, and Target and Amazon are all competing.
I mean, that helps all of us a little bit.
Let me tell you, the fact that Target's in there, Target is helping Amazon from being, you know, categorically an Amazon.
Target's a savior right here for these guys.
You take Target out, both Amazon and Walmart are in trouble.
And because for a monopoly reason, no question about it.
So Jeff Bezos, behind closed doors, secretly wants Target to do better.
Jeff Bezos.
For optics, for competition?
He's like, listen, Target, keep going at it, man.
Take some market.
Do you think he's rooting for market share?
100%.
Rooting for Target.
100%.
He's rooting for Target because when Kmart went out of business about a decade ago, I don't know if you remember.
Kmart was the king of the city.
Karma was huge before Walmart.
Super Saving Center.
Kmart went out, hurt a lot of these guys.
But now that Target's coming up, and there's some people that go to Target over Walmart.
There's a lot of people that prefer.
Kai's one of them.
Well, you know, Kai flirts at Target.
That's where he picks up girls.
Well, Sam, too.
Some people go to Tinder.
Kai goes to Target is where he goes to flirt.
He's doing it.
In the Army at Fort Campbell, Kentucky, the place to go flirt was at Walmart, at Clarksville.
Nice.
But that was 24 years ago.
So it's a different story.
How many teeth did those ladies have?
How many teeth?
You'd be surprised.
At least seven.
Nice.
Good community.
Nice.
That's a nice one.
Tell us what you got.
Final thoughts to something that Tom brought up yesterday.
You wanted to talk about, you know, speaking of where you used to go pick up chicks and all that fun stuff, you know, Kai goes to Target, Sam goes to the mall.
We talk about the malls here.
We're talking about these big anchor stores, the Sears, the JCPenneys, the Lord and Taylors, what have you.
Now they're becoming Amazon fulfillment centers.
And a lot of these dying malls are going to have to be more amusement park, crazy fun vibes.
I mean, when we can all get out there in public again, kind of get out there, take the family and have fun with it.
But a lot of these anchor stores will be or are becoming Amazon fulfillment centers.
I believe you had a thought with that, did you not, with the fulfillment centers?
Oh, yeah.
I think that so the malls, well, first of all, commercial office space is a whole, we could do a whole discussion about what's happening at commercial office space with work from home and everything.
Smell a case does it, but I think you know, you get these, you know, it's it's not, you still have to go get stuff, right?
Um, and I saw a picture in New York, it's very interesting.
It was this brownstone had been built, and people can't get in at night because there's this little skinny hallway, and inside there, they're floor-to-ceiling, they have all the Amazon boxes because they have someone that brings all the boxes in so that the pirates don't snatch it off the porch, and they're stacked up on the inside.
And it used to be you would walk in, you have this little tiny area, and you put your key in, you get your mail.
Now there's just floor-to-ceiling with all these Amazon boxes, groceries, and everything like that.
I really think that there's these, you take a look at Whole Foods, they got all the Amazon lockers for the little stuff out front.
Once you start getting even bigger than this, it's like all of us are going to need like something three times the size of our high school hallway locker where each day we just go get our stuff because it's not just little stuff.
And I don't know how much you're going to be able to deliver.
So I think commercial real estate is done.
Like you think it's going to have a massive decline like newspace newspapers did 20 years ago.
What are we doing with the space?
You know, what are we going to do?
But I'm asking you, like, do you think, do you think they're the next newspaper?
I don't think they're the next newspaper, but they're in bad, bad place.
But watch what you're saying.
It's a little bit contradictory because I'm actually really curious with this, Tom, and I want to get your feedback.
Because when Elon Musk did an interview, what was two years ago when he kept saying the biggest threat to humanity is what?
AI.
You know, everything's going to be replaced.
Jobs are going to be replaced.
And then you had Andrew Yank's campaign, which was a thousand dollar, you know, universal basic income.
You know, everybody's got to get a thousand bucks because AI.
And then Amazon employs 427,000 people during pandemic, which everyone's working from home.
So do you understand what I just said right there?
So during the season where everybody's working from home, Amazon hires 427,000 people.
And so then the conversation becomes about commercial because I got a lot of commercial real estate guys that call me and say, Pat, I disagree with you.
Commercial real estate is doing very well and people are always going to need office space.
I'm like, I don't know if they need many industries don't need it.
But actually, from your point of view, do you really think commercial real estate could be as bad as newspapers?
Or are they still going to have to figure out a way to come back and recover?
I think some of it will be repurposed.
And does somebody get smart and repurpose it?
So does somebody in commercial real estate pull a target and say, I'm not going to get crushed.
I'm going to find a way to live in this and I'm going to repurpose my space.
I'm going to do things like this.
I think that's the first avenue.
The second avenue is I take a look at something I was reading and I don't want to plug major credit card company, right?
That we all know, it's the one with the highest fees, but a lot of services, and it's the one you have to pay every month.
Well, they have like their entire call centers are working from home.
They come up, they turn on their headset, they've got these secure loops that they've done through what's called a VPN tunnel.
So they open up their laptop at home and they're on duty and they're doing their stuff, looking at your charges, looking at things on there in a secure way.
And so the entire call center is working from home, which has eliminated the need for an Atlanta, a Phoenix, and a Miami excess space in their call centers.
So somebody's going to pay out the lease on those commercial contracts.
Are you talking about American Express?
Or was that discovered?
Well, it's your podcast.
I was waiting for you to plug it.
But here's my question for you.
But yes, that's right.
It was Amex.
Here's my question for you.
I trust your brain and your processing.
If we right now, the three of us, own $2 billion of commercial real estate in America pre-pandemic, okay, we're doing okay.
We're 85% fully occupancy.
We're doing okay.
Money's coming in.
We're doing fine and we're sitting on it.
COVID hits.
We lose people.
A lot of our guys cannot pay us.
What's your next move?
What are you doing?
$2 billion of commercial real estate across the country.
What are we doing, Tom?
Well, the first thing that we do is because all commercial real estate is levered is even though we're in a COVID pandemic, we got to go to New York and we've got to refinance that debt because at least.
Okay, so number one move is refinance the debt.
What's next?
Yeah, so now you got to get, and by the way, if we've got that kind of number, we got two guys that report to Jamie Dimon seeing us with that kind of, with that kind of, you know what I'm saying?
That's a big number.
So first of all, we got to refinance the debt.
And the next thing we got to take a look around on is how do we make this usable?
What do you do with that?
What do you do with that?
You know, you got like old mall space.
I think you could do Amazon delivery centers, pickup centers.
There's a lot of things.
Interesting.
It's kind of scary.
It's a scary place to be.
Well, you originated this conversation with what's going to happen.
I mean, just think from a macro perspective.
Are more people going to be working from home or going back less or more working from home long term?
Long term, two, three, five years from now.
Are more people going to be working from home versus where they were in 2019?
Obviously, the answer is for sure they're going to be working from home more.
Here's one thing for sure that cannot be happening if you're working from home.
If they do shutdown with schools and kids are staying home, there's no way in the world it's going to be working from home.
It's just not going to work out.
If they're not having kids go home.
I'm talking two, three years from now.
There's a vaccine.
Kids are back in school.
No, I think they're at the offices.
I think not as much as they were in 2019.
No question about it.
So meaning this commercial office space.
The game is changed.
If there was 90% occupation.
The game has changed.
Now it'll be 70?
Yeah.
60.
The game has changed.
50.
But the question becomes.
It's not going to go more.
Is it the end of the world for that business?
No, but he said they had the money.
Look what he said yesterday.
We're talking about the, he said New York Times and Wall Street Journal did it best, right?
He'll get into it here in a minute.
He said he did it best.
He talked about what?
You want to talk about it now?
You want to roll over that?
I said, we'll get right.
It's the perfect time to get into it because from the Amazon disruptor to the digital media disruptor.
Go for it.
Break it down.
Well, I think what's really interesting, if you take a look at digital media right now, we are in the middle of a massive, massive shift.
We all know Direct TV, Dish, and traditional cable taking it in the chops.
And some of the old traditional cable now are just shifting to trying to get that $90 number for the 100 speed for your home internet.
And now you're going over the top.
And Disney Plus, Hulu, Disney, and ESPN Plus, that's a powerful, powerful package.
And they suck the air out of the room and they took the rights.
Netflix didn't have rights to all that huge catalog.
And so I really think that what we're looking at here is everything's going behind a paywall and maybe a little tiny paywall, like $1.99 a month to get your favorite two columns in ESPN.
But there's going to be a bunch of micro payments and it's going behind the paywall.
And look, can you explain what a paywall is?
Because what does it mean behind the paywall?
Like when the New York Times says you can, it's like you click on a New York Times article.
I mean, you go to MSNBC, Yahoo News, AOL News, doesn't matter where.
And you'll notice that after about 15 stories for the month, all of a sudden it says, hey, you've seen your 15 stories from the New York Times.
Business Insider, same thing.
That's exactly right.
And now from here on out, if you'd like to pay $1.99 a month, you can get all the general stories.
That's called a paywall.
And of the major, major newspapers, the New York Times has done it phenomenally best.
No one's even close.
The one that's done it phenomenally worst is the LA Times.
They're suffering.
You take a look what's happening with the layoffs there, the financial condition of the LA Times.
It's a grand newspaper just in the hole.
And so you also take a look at what, you know, a long time ago, Rupert Murdoch said, I don't care.
I believe I've got the best business writers and the best business content.
You're paying for the Wall Street Journal.
Now, he left it comparable subscription rates.
So they wanted 30 bucks a month.
Now you look around and I think all the media is going behind a paywall.
ESPN just did it.
Take a close look what's happening at ESPN.
You're only going to get a few sports stories.
Are they going the right direction?
I think they have to.
They don't have a choice.
They have to let them go of all these people.
That's correct.
The ad model doesn't work if you want high-quality people, Stephen A, and you want high-quality people that are pulling audience that really have a perspective and point of view, and you want to watch them.
It's going to be really tough.
I think it's going to be behind a variety of paywalls, but I think it's not going to be crazy.
I think it's going to be, look, you want to pay $1.99 a month, $25 a year, and you can get all your surface stories on ESPN, and then you can go to ESPN Plus and get everything else.
ESPN The MAG blew up.
Remember?
The Big Mag was really good.
It was just phenomenal.
I thought it was great journalism.
I thought it was a great format, but they can't afford to do it.
And so I think digital media.
What do you think is going to happen with Netflix?
How's Netflix doing right now?
Give us a rundown.
Take a look.
I mean, Netflix has had a pop back, but take a look.
Two things happened to Netflix this year.
First, it was America's realization: hey, what happened to all the Disney movies?
Remember that everybody had the countdown, the countdown to where all those movies go off Disney.
Then the second thing happened, and I don't think they expected it.
Remember that series they did, The Cuties, with like the young kids.
We covered that, yeah, of course.
It was huge, and they had a lot of people hit them hard on the subscription side.
Does that mean canceling them actually show the data?
Did you see data?
I didn't see the data that these are the ones that did, but Netflix came out, and you can see they had a horrible quarter, and they came out and said, Oh, yeah, you know, well, why did they cancel?
Well, there's a lot of reasons.
Listen, I got to go.
But you think it was because of the cuties thing?
Well, I think it was that.
I think it was a perfect storm of things that they put out a highly controversial series that lit up a lot of people and triggered a lot of people in the wrong way.
And people were realizing, like at my household, hey, all the Disney movies are over here.
Hulu, Disney Plus, plus a Get ESPN.
Hey, interesting.
Why do I need more than this?
Because I'm not an HBO Showtime household.
I got younger kids.
But I'm now a Hulu Disney Plus household.
And so do you believe Netflix, if you had, if you were a financial advisor, you're working on Morgan Merrill Goldman Sachs, and I come up to you, I got $100 million.
I tell you, I'm thinking about putting some of this in Netflix.
Would you be excited about investing in Netflix today?
Not right now.
It's hard to film.
Everybody's saying it's hard to film.
The physical, in other words, not the fully animated stuff where they do actors one-on-one on green screens and it's the full Marvel movie and half of it's done by a thousand fantastic animators and CGI guys and gals.
You now, how do you do Game of Thrones?
You know, with COVID, you can't have all those people on set.
You can't do those things like that.
High production value.
You know, what I'm saying, human filming versus CGI.
Netflix has said, I'm going to spend $2 billion on programming.
Really, where are you filming?
How are you getting 70 people with masks all together?
Tom, let me ask you, not to interject, because I love where you're going with this.
A lot of these companies, they got to take a long-term view.
Like Netflix isn't just thinking three to six months, meaning they're thinking 2022, 2025 down the road.
All right, so 2020 has been a wash, obviously COVID.
They're saying that, you know, the majority of Americans could receive this vaccine by mid-2021.
We'll see, we'll see, we'll see.
There's some positive numbers.
By the way, Lucia, actually, are you going to a question here?
No, yeah.
So here's my question.
So, all right, clearly there's not, you know, new content being filmed right now or not as much as before, but, you know, what about the long-term strategy?
I guess is just my question here from a short-term strategy.
Clearly, COVID's in the way.
But Netflix isn't just thinking, you know, like Pat always says, what's your next five moves?
Move one is, all right, let's get through freaking 2020.
Let's get to 2021.
But you know, they're thinking 2022, 2023, 2020, 25 down the road.
I mean, that has to be a perspective from these companies, right?
I mean, so I'm just.
You're saying they can't film new content.
So I'm just more asking you, there's got to be a long-term strategy.
That's their more short-term strategy, right?
Oh, yeah.
I completely agree.
He was asking me if somebody came to me with $100 million right now, would you give it to Netflix?
I'd say, no.
I got to let you shake out a little bit.
Do I trust you?
You would wait.
I would wait a little bit.
I would wait.
Not a year.
Not a year.
Oh, okay.
So you're talking about that.
It's a short term, yeah.
I'm going to see Reed Hastings come forward with the same vision and boldness.
Remember, he was a guy that came out, and after they were mailed to you, he said, I'm going to do a subscription.
People got pissed off.
Remember, there was the original Netflix subscription war with the consumers.
They lost people.
They came back.
I'm a believer in Reed Hastings, the entrepreneur.
I'm going to believe that he's a good person.
Did you read the book, No Rose Rules?
I've not read that book.
Phenomenal book.
So I believe in him, but he's got a lot of stuff going on.
He lost a massive library.
And Disney and Hulu have sucked the air out of him.
100 million subscriptions right now in Disney Plus.
That's a solid number.
And by the way, I just subscribed.
Over how much time?
I just subscribed to Disney Plus the other day.
Purely accidental.
The kids wanted to watch a show.
I went on Apple TV, wasn't it?
I'm like, where is this thing?
And then they said it's only on Disney Plus.
I said, I've got to go buy Disney Plus.
Now they watch Disney Plus more than when they watch Netflix.
And by the way, here's what Lucia Maldonado just said.
I call to request to be removed, meaning cuties.
I called to request to be removed.
I was told they won't and just restricted from my account.
I didn't cancel because my kids watch the shows there all the time.
So meaning a lot of people feel that way.
You call, I don't like it, take it down.
If you don't take it down, cuties, I'm going to delete it, no problem.
And then you go in and you say, I'm not going to take it down because my kids watch so much Netflix.
So, you know, they also have...
You're saying Netflix is calling these people's bluff?
Yeah.
Yeah, I don't think people are canceling the way.
It's like Nike when they say, what are you doing with Colin Kaepernick?
Okay, you don't like it?
Don't buy Nike.
Next thing you know, the stock goes up the next day.
It's a different story.
Some of these advertisements are not always hitting a home run.
It didn't work out for Pepsi.
I don't know if you remember that one commercial Pepsi did.
With Kendall Jenner?
Yes, with Kendall Jenner that completely backfired.
But it worked for some of them.
Did she give a Coke to like a cop or something?
Yeah, she gave a Coke to a cop and it didn't work out too well for her.
That's how her sister got out of it.
So you're a Disney Plus guy now, is what you're saying?
I'm not a Disney Plus guy.
I'm an Amazon guy because of one movie.
I got Amazon for one movie.
What movie is that?
It was by Shia LaBeouf's story.
I'm a big Shia LaBeouf.
I'm a big Shia LaBeouf guy.
Honeyboy.
Okay, I got Netflix because of House of Cards.
Yeah.
And I got Disney because of Percy Jackson.
Okay, I got Disney.
So do you remember why you got Netflix?
Do you remember yourself why you got Netflix or why you got any of these or no?
Yeah.
Was there a specific show?
It wasn't a specific show.
My wife and I watched House of Cards.
Game of Thrones.
No, we didn't watch Game of Thrones.
My wife and I watched House of Cards after the kids were in bed, but then they had the kids' libraries.
And so you could go back and a really broad kids' library.
Tom, what was this?
Tell me what this was.
Don't you remember Game of Thrones?
No, House of Cards?
He always did that.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay, got it.
I'm a big fan of you.
Remember Kevin Spacey when he was a big Quibby guy.
I'm hanging on to Quibby.
Kevin Spacey, he was president in the movie, and whenever he was done making a point, he would bang the ring that guy.
Yeah, that's a good point.
Kevin Spacey, things have worked out really well for him since House of Cards.
I'm proud to see where he's at.
Oh, yeah.
He's banging his ring on a table and now he's banging some dude in the bar.
Oh, my gosh.
Pretty good for him.
He doesn't mind it.
I accidentally set that one up and he just swung hard.
No, no, you gave it to him.
And you swung hard.
Touch.
I mean, look down.
Let me get another ring knock.
Let me get together and we come back.
There you go, Tom.
By the way, do you want to kind of tell us what's going on with UK?
Oh, in the UK?
Oh, my God.
Jesus Christ.
Do you want to tell us what's going on in the UK?
I don't know.
This is a pretty crazy story.
This is a real story and a crazy story.
This is not.
This is going to offend some people.
Well, it's going to offend some people, but I think it's going to.
I don't think we are going to offend people.
I think they're going to be shocked and offended at finding out.
You want to pull up the story, Kai, if you have it on the internet?
If you don't have it, Tom, why don't you just tell us what's going on?
So there's a lot of cultures that are in London.
There's been a lot of immigration.
It's a very diverse city, a lot of people there, and there's a thriving Muslim community there.
And in Muslim culture, it's very important that you marry a Muslim woman, preferably not someone that's converted, preferably from a family of origination, and that she be a virgin.
And they live in London, and London is a diverse and it's seen as a Western city.
Yeah.
And so you have a lot of Muslim families that are saying, hey, this is a diverse Western city.
How do we know that that Muslim woman you want to marry coming from a good Muslim family?
How do we know she's a virgin?
You know, this is important to us.
This is you.
You have to make your faith vows and everything.
These are really important.
And so there's an organization there that is offering virginity tests.
And controversial virginity tests sold by UK clinics.
Yeah, and here it is.
BBC News and everything.
And W. Women are being offered controversial virginity tests at British medical clinics as an investigation on my BBC Newsbeat and 100 women has found the intrusive tests are considered a violation of human rights by the World Health Organization of the United Nations, which want to see them banned.
Critics say that they are unscientific, cannot be proven whether someone is a virgin and cannot, can be a form of abuse.
The test involved a vaginal examination to check if human hymen is intact.
The BBC investigation found a member of private clinics advertising virginity repair, which when contacted, then also offered the so-called virginity test for between 150.
Wait, virginity repair?
This kind of takes me back to what, again, I was about to say T.I. and his picture is down there.
When T.I. had his daughter and he says, you know, I have my daughter tested every year to see if she's a virgin or not.
Do you remember that story or no?
It's right there.
Yeah.
Last year, U.S. rapper T.I. sparked outrage after revealing he takes his daughter for a test every year to check her hymena is still intact.
All said they would carry out hymen repair surgery, which costs in the region 1,500 to 3,000 pounds.
Data from NHS English shows 69 hymen repair procedures have been carried out.
What?
Wait, what?
Am I reading this correctly?
Is it saying you pay $1,500 to $3,000 to make it seem like the person's a virgin?
Right.
So this is akin to, first of all, it's horrible.
What if some, you know, forget your faith tradition.
What if some poor Muslim girl is misdiagnosed by the doctor and she wants to get married to this guy?
Now the family won't have her.
No, she meets a nice Muslim guy.
They want to get married.
They say, well, no, no, no, we want to make sure that she's been living in London.
We're living in Western society.
We want to make sure that you haven't done anything.
You know, that's in their culture.
Yeah.
And then the doctor tells, well, no, no, no, she's not.
That poor woman is now ostracized in her culture.
That's bad.
I know that because that's how it is in Iran.
Just so you know.
So I feel bad for that girl.
How is it?
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, I mean, if, so, you know, culturally, the husband and wife would go in the room and the sheets would come out and show blood.
Jesus.
And hey, that's a ritual.
that's not that you say you know she she's a virgin and they they're cheering for the blood that's That's the sheets.
You show the sheets with blood.
This is on the wedding night or this is.
This is a ritual that some families follow.
But on the wedding night or what?
I don't know the details of what timing of it.
That's 7 o'clock.
Some of these are like telling this.
This is going on anywhere.
I had a very emotional abusive relation with my parents who wanted to have an arranged marriage.
She says, one day an elderly in the community saw me out of my friends and said to my mom that one of the boys was my boyfriend.
There was lots of rumors in the community about it.
She was then threatened with the virginity test by her parents.
My parents and the family of the man they wanted me to marry said I had to do virginity tests to prove that I was still a virgin so the marriage could go ahead.
I was scared and didn't really understand what it meant.
I felt running away was my only option.
So that's what I did.
Priyam Manton manages the helpline for Karma Nirvana.
We had received calls from girls who are concerned about this.
It might be that they are worried their families have found out.
Perhaps they've been in a relationship where they're not a virgin.
It might be a family or pressuring them to go through.
Listen, by the way, this sounds radical.
It's very common.
Where I came from.
Really?
This sounds radical, but it's very common where I came from.
So the question becomes, if you're watching this, how crazy is this?
World Health Organization saying as what?
This is absolutely ludicrous.
What are your thoughts?
Well, I mean, look, being from Miami, South Beach, I'm used to this.
I mean, if you're a virgin, this is what, you know, this is how we do it at South Beach.
Like, there's virgins go lower in South Beach.
All the models down there, we're looking for, this is why nobody gets married because there's no freaking virgins down there.
There's a lot of weird stuff going on here.
I don't know.
We went there, Tom.
Just a lot of weird stuff going on here.
I got so many questions here.
I know that in the Muslim religion, and I'm not conflating any issue.
I'm just, this comes to mind that when a suicide bomber, they blow themselves up, why do they do it?
Because they're going to go to heaven and they're going to get 72 virgins.
I've always had a question about that.
A lot of freaking virgins.
So how long are you in heaven?
Eternity?
Yeah.
Okay, let me get a pencil and a calculator.
Eternity?
No.
72.
You're going to run out of virgins.
I mean, there's a lot of virgins out there.
I'm just thinking about it.
Maybe you cut a deal, you get up there.
Every time they lose their virginity, they do that procedure.
Maybe they're doing something like 50%.
Well, that's the other part.
See, the other part is, you know, there are, I think, companies in here.
I think what WHO is pointing out, that there's companies in here that are exploiting people.
Like virginity repair, isn't that like paying a bad mechanic to roll the odometer back on your car?
Yes.
It's like a female episode.
Yes, 20 years ago.
That was actually a thing that you did.
Yeah, they don't want low miles.
They want no miles.
But the point is, even go, forget about the ritual part.
I respect rituals of families.
You know, it's your ritual.
It is what it is now.
I don't have to follow the rituals that you follow.
I'm just telling you.
But I respect the fact that certain religions have certain religions.
You're Jewish, Christian, Christian.
Some are atheists.
Some are Mormons.
Jehovah.
There's a lot of different rituals that's out there.
And they're not the same.
So to someone, a Jewish ritual may be some random stuff to do.
Like, are you kidding me?
You really have to go?
Yes, you do.
But then there is rituals that cause people to be rebellious.
I mean, you are pretty much forcing me to be rebellious here.
You know, they used to say when Middle Eastern kids and girls who were suppressed in Iran and Armenia, they come to the States and they gain their freedom, game over.
You can't tell me what to do.
I'm going to go and have my fun, Dad.
You don't like it?
Guess what?
I'm going to have five boyfriends.
That's what I'm going to be doing.
It's a form of a rebelliousness, right?
Okay.
The Catholic schoolgirl thing.
You told me what to do my whole life, and then you end up moving to South Beach, and then you're freaking changed.
You meet Adam, and the next thing you know, things are changing.
It's changing.
So, anyways, I don't know how we went to the story, Tom, but I do think it's craziness going on in the UK.
That is the pressure of what happens when a community says, Yes, And then eventually, we're like, wait a minute, what the hell are we saying yes to?
That's what's happening in the UK right now.
This is brought in, brought on, brought on to them by the folks who voted for their politicians, who eventually pushed the envelope to this point where they're saying this is what we're doing next, and now they want it to be reverted back.
It's too late.
You already accepted it.
Momentum's on their side.
Anyways, okay.
You wrote this down right here, and that's exactly what I was thinking.
I don't know how old his daughter is.
I'm not speculating, but that's exactly.
She's like, You're going to check me every year of my life for my virginity.
At some point, she's been like, Dad, like, I'm freaking out over here.
So, yeah, it's a little too much when you do that.
So, you know, you know how you go into appointments.
I used to always run into appointments, and a guy would sit there, and I'm in the middle of an appointment.
We're making a sale, and the guy would have to pick up the call every time his wife called.
I'm like, dude, what the?
We're in the middle of an appointment.
Well, no, Pat, you're honest, I have to pick up the call.
What do you mean you have to pick up the call?
I'm just telling you, we have an arrangement.
What kind of an arrangement is this?
Whenever she calls, I have to pick up.
Every time.
Every single time.
You have to pick up.
So fricking up.
So he was, hey, I'm over here.
Hey, Patrick, can you say hi to Mary?
I'm like, hey, Mary.
Okay.
Okay, babe.
Bye.
I'm like, what?
That's a life, bro.
So then we go on another.
I have a friend like that.
Yeah, we'd be driving.
I was like, okay, bro, we're going.
So I don't tell what he's doing.
Okay, stop.
Wait.
Hey, Patrick, can you say hi?
I'm like, what the hell?
And then he finally told me.
He says, well, one time, she lost trust because she saw something on my phone.
I have to do this for the rest of my life.
Jesus Christ.
You can't do that for long term.
You cannot do it.
It's not sustainable.
It's not a sustainable model.
You're eventually going to piss off, and the guy's going to be like, you know what?
Screw you.
I'm not picking up your calls.
It's not a sustainable model.
Or one is conforming.
Anyways, how about we talk about Iran, Tom?
Are you okay if we go into Iran?
Absolutely.
Okay, let's talk about Iran.
I don't want to offend you because I want to make sure you're happy about us going into the Iran topic.
All right, let's talk about Iran.
We always talked about going there together, remember?
We will still go there.
We will still go there.
I think we are.
We will still go there.
And Adam's going to go with us.
What's the over-under on when you would actually go to Iran?
What's the over-under?
Over-under.
You need an administration like Trump for at least eight years for me to be able to go to Iran.
You know why?
Why is that?
You want to really talk about it from that angle?
Of course.
Okay, let's talk about it before we get into the topic.
Sure.
In order for me to be able to go back to Iran, there needs to be a revolution in Iran.
In order for there to be a revolution.
You're not going unless there's a revolution.
There has to be a revolution because there has to be a different way of living, democracy.
Women have to have the freedom that they once had, and tourism needs to be at where it needs to be.
And today, with the sanctions, financial, it's not a good situation right now to go to Iran.
So, by the way, we're very close to get to that point.
Of a revolution.
But it's not going to happen because Biden got elected.
And I'll explain to you why.
So, Iran's top nuclear scientist was assassinated by a remote control machine gun placed in the back of another car, the country's media says.
The Iranian defense ministry has given few details of the killing, but has pointed the fingers at Israel.
New information about the attack was reported Sunday.
However, the Farce saying Fakhrizadeh stopped and left his car after mistaking several bullets that had just hit his vehicle for engine trouble.
At this point, Fars said Nissan pickup truck stopped 150 meters or about 492 feet from Fakhrizadeh, and a gun mounted on the back of the truck opened fire, hitting him twice in the back and once in the spine.
Three security cars had been traveling with Fakhrizadeh and a bodyguard who launched himself over the scientist's body, who was also shot.
Farce reported, according to Fars, after the hit on Faqri Zadeh was complete.
The Nissan truck exploded.
The entire attack lasted three minutes, the news agency reported.
So, what's really going on over here?
What's really going on here?
I'll tell you one thing.
Here's what you have to realize.
I'll kind of give you a little bit of it, and then I'll go into some of the thoughts you guys may have.
Number one, what has happened the last 12 months to Iran?
What's happened the last 12 months to Iran?
A lot has happened over the last 12 months to Iran.
In the last 12 months, Iran lost their number two in power, Ghassem Soleimani, which, by the way, he was a potential candidate to be the leader of Iran.
He died, okay, about a year ago.
And we remember how that happened and when it happened.
Drone strike.
And we remember how Iran retaliated.
They hit a military base with nobody being at the base just to show that their people that we retaliated, but nothing took place.
Then you have, fast forward, quietly on August 7th of this year, I believe, August 7th of this year, they went and took out the number two guy of Al-Qaeda, is what they did this year.
If you want to pull up the picture so everybody knows who they took out this year, August 7th of this year, they took out Abu Mohammed al-Masri, Abu Mohammed Al-Masri.
Now, some of you who don't know who he is, let me kind of give you the background of how powerful of a guy he is.
He's the number two guy in Al-Qaeda.
He was walking in the streets of Iran with his daughter, who's married to Osama bin Laden's son.
They killed both of them.
They killed him and his daughter.
Well, I'm going to get to who killed them.
Who's that?
Who, because you're connected to them.
Who killed them, right?
So he ends up getting killed August 7, 1998.
Now, what is special about August 7, 2020?
We're talking four months ago.
What is so special about August 7, 2020?
Exactly 22 years ago, August 7th, 1998, what happened in Africa Embassy?
There was a bombing at Africa Embassy, and 220 people were killed at the U.S. Embassy, two U.S. embassies.
Do you know who led that project?
This man right here.
On the same exact day, 22 years ago, that he did, not a coincidence.
22 years later, they kill him and his daughter in the streets of Iran.
And guess what Iran says when they kill him?
Nothing.
You know why they said nothing?
You didn't hear about it.
They didn't talk about it in the news.
They didn't advertise it.
They were embarrassed and they didn't want to even report that we're going to retaliate because he's part of what?
Al-Qaeda.
They can't come out there and say, hey, we cannot believe you took out the number two guy in Al-Qaeda.
His daughter's married to who?
Osama bin Laden's son.
Okay.
So you got Ghassam al-Salimani.
Then you have Abu Muhammad over here that gets killed.
And then comes who?
And then comes Fakhrizadeh.
Who is the number one scientist in Iran?
Now, who is Faqrzadeh?
Nuclear scientist in Iran.
Who is he?
Okay.
You have to go back years ago.
There was a project called, Kai, if you want to pull up Project Ahmad.
Project Ahmad.
Ahmad Project was one of the first projects they came out with.
Refers to Iran Scientific Project started in 1989, stopped in 03 by the IAEA that is suspected by Israel to have nonetheless continued with the aim of developing nuclear weapons.
Who led this?
Who was the leader of this project?
Faqri Zadeh.
Okay.
Then there's the project.
Go to the next one.
Then go to the next one.
The next project was called SPND, the Iranian defense ministry known as SPMD, which was also an organization to go out there and build a nuclear plant in Iran by the same scientist, led by who?
Fakhri Zadeh.
Okay.
So now go to a talk that Benjamin Netanyahu gave in 2018.
I want to say in April, you have that video.
I send it to you.
Kai, if you can prepare that video right there.
This is a talk he gave April of 2018.
Okay.
And he's given the message about what's going on with Iran.
Now, watch what he says about Faqrizade.
Just press play.
Turn on the audio.
Yeah, you'll see what he says here when he says, remember the name.
Key word.
Two and a half years ago, Netanyahu says, remember the name.
Go ahead and press play.
With the new directive of Iran's Ministry of Defense, the work would be split into two parts, covert and overt.
A key part of the plan was to form new organizations to continue the work.
This is how Dr. Mohsen Faqhizadeh says, head of Project Ahmad, put it, remember that name.
Remember that name.
So here's his directive.
It's right here.
And he says, the general aim is to announce the closure of Project Ahmad.
But then he adds, special activities, you know what that is, special activities will be carried out under the title of scientific know-how developments.
And in fact, this is exactly what Iran proceeded to do.
It continued this work in a series of organizations over the years.
And today, in 2010, 2018, this work is carried out by Sapan.
That's an organization inside Iran's defense ministry.
And you will not be surprised to hear that Sapan is led by the same person who led Project Ahmad, Dr. Fahri Zadeh.
And also, not coincidentally, many of Sapan's key personnel worked under Fahrizadeh on Project Ahmad.
Pause it. Pause it right there.
Okay.
Okay, so watch this here.
So you got Qasem Soleimani.
You got Abu Mohammed, who was a number two guy to Al-Qaeda.
You got Qasam Soleimani, who was the number two guy in Iran, and you got Fahrizadeh, who is the number one nuclear scientist in Iran.
Okay?
Who was leading America during that time?
Who was the president?
Trump.
Who is the prime minister of Israel?
Netanyahu.
Benjamin Netanyahu.
Okay, so where does this go to next?
Where does this go to next?
Well, if you watch this, go to the tweet of John Brennan.
Go to the tweet of John Brennan.
Look what he says.
Here's what Brennan says.
And for folks who don't know who John Brennan is, John Brennan is not a Trump guy.
John Brennan is a Obama and a Biden guy.
He said on November 27.
He's a national security analyst.
For Obama.
Yeah.
But he's also on, he's not a Trump camp.
He's clearly not a Trump guy, he's actually a Trump hater, but he's a high up in the...
He is.
On the Biden and Biden and Obama side.
November 27th, he tweets.
Associate Press comes out saying Iran is scientists that Israel alleged that the Islamic Republic military nuclear program before it was disbanded has been killed in a shootout, Iran state television said.
He says this was a criminal act and highly reckless.
It risks lethal retaliation and a new round of regional conflict.
Iranian leaders would be wise to wait for the return of responsible American leadership.
Who's he talking about?
On the global stage and to resist the urge to respond against perceived culprits.
Let me read that one more time.
This is what you call sign language, okay?
This is a message saying, Khamenei, we understand you're upset right now.
Please read my tweet.
I can't contact you right now because it's going to come out.
I'm telling you, read my tweet.
Iranian leaders would be wise to wait for the return of responsible American leadership on the global stage.
Hence, Biden to replace Trump and to resist the urge to respond against perceived culprits.
So wait for what?
Does this mean Biden's going to give them that $150 billion deal that they had before?
Does this mean Biden's going to give you that money that you had?
He's going to remove the sanctions.
Just be patient.
We know you lost your number one nuclear scientist.
We're sorry.
Be patient.
And does this mean that John Brennan is not supportive of Benjamin Netanyahu, that this is a criminal act and highly reckless?
Because in the streets of politics between Iran and Israel, people knew who was behind this.
And they're comfortable saying it, that who was behind this.
And that is Netanyahu.
That is an open conversation that people are having.
No one's surprised by this.
So what does this mean?
What does this mean?
Here's how I process this.
I foresee, I foresee, nothing taking place over the next few weeks.
I foresee Iran getting the money that they want when Biden comes in.
I foresee sanctions getting lower and maybe even going away when Biden takes office.
I foresee a massive attack from Iran to someone in the Middle East.
They may go straight at Israel, but they're going to go to any of the allies that's linked to Netanyahu, any of the allies that was towards Trump's camp when Trump was here, not Biden.
They're not going to slow down.
They are going to retaliate, and it's not going to be during this term, the next month or so.
But it is going to happen in the next four years, and it will not happen at a time when we're expecting it.
So I'm very surprised by John Brennan's tweet.
Whether you're right or not, or whether you're correct or not, whether you're anything you're saying or not, you officially didn't defend Netanyahu, and Netanyahu is one of the most important allies U.S. has had for a long time.
And things are about to get very interesting in the Middle East.
So having said that, I'm going to turn it over to you.
What are your thoughts?
A couple questions.
Clearly understand the John.
But John Brennan is not active in government right now.
He's sort of just a talking head.
Whether he's anti-Trump or pro-Obama or pro-Biden, unless he has a position, he has been, as Trump likes to say, right?
So he's not, this is his opinion.
I don't think there's no policy.
There's nothing that he's implementing.
This is just an old guy's opinion.
So I don't think there's any question.
I'm not sure if it was Israel that attacked, how do you say his name?
Fahrizade.
Fahrizade.
I'm not sure if that was them that did it, but I know for a fact it was Israeli technology.
Without it, I mean, it was a remote-controlled machine gun that shot up the car.
Then the guy got out.
He thought it was hit a bump or something.
They got out, sprayed him down.
The bodyguard tried to jump.
He got shot.
The car blew up two minutes later.
Boom.
Like, that's Israeli technology for sure.
Now, I'm not sure who got into Iran and if it was Mossad, the Israeli CIA who did it, but this is clearly an Israeli technology type of move.
Why do you say that?
To me, it sounds like the last episode of Breaking Dad.
There you go.
You kind of look like Walter White.
You got a remote control machine gun?
Kind of like Walter White.
You don't remember that?
I'm looking at him right now.
I'm wondering that.
So what are you wondering, though?
You're wondering, is what?
You're wondering, was it led by Israel to do something like that?
Or you're saying it was done by— Well, somebody in Israel has got Netflix, and so they're watching this, and it comes to the end.
They get in there and they go, hey, guys.
Man, that's a brilliant processing there, Tom.
I'm not sure if it's art imitating life or life imitating art or whatever it is, but I think we can all agree that Israeli technology is ridiculous when it comes to this kind of stuff.
You have a good point.
I think the biggest point here is what's going to happen with that $150 billion entering the Iran nuclear deal.
Trump got out of that as soon as he came into office.
Do you know how big it is to take out a country's number two guy?
Do you know how big it is to take out the number two to Al-Qaeda?
And do you know how big it is to take out the number one nuclear scientist?
I don't think you realize.
Like, go to a sports team and take out the number one guy.
What happens?
Go to a sports team and take out the number two guy.
What happens?
Go to a company and take out and see what happens.
Go to the Denver Broncos and take out their top three quarterbacks and see what happens.
It's not like every single day.
It's not like every single day you can find a, let me go put a job posting on Monster.
You're looking for a top nuclear scientist.
You know what I mean?
Iran just hiring for nuclear scientists.
Anybody got experience that being a nuclear scientist?
That doesn't happen every day.
They lost someone legit that they needed to do what they wanted to do.
This is what, I mean, it's no secret why they blamed Israel.
This is what Israel does.
They say, look, we're not going to fight a real war.
We're going to be very tactful and tactical, and we're going to take out your top people.
I mean, this is why the U.S. and Israel are so tight.
This is what they're doing, you know, all day, every day, planning these types of attacks.
Why go to war where you can just take out one guy, take out the leader, take out the general, take out the top nuclear scientist?
But they're watching this.
If you're watching this, if you're watching this, if you're saying, Pat, there's no way in the world Iran's going to retaliate in the next, you know, 12 months, 24 months.
There's no way they're going to retaliate.
Put thumbs down.
They're not going to retaliate.
If you think they're going to retaliate, push thumbs up.
If you think they are going to retaliate, push thumbs up in the next 12, 24 months under a Biden administration.
I'm actually really curious what you think is going to be taking place.
Tom, do you have any other strong opinions on this?
Yeah, I think so.
If I was running an arm of the CIA, what I'd be doing right now, honestly, is I'd be modeling the response.
And how I'd model response, I'd look at all these important dates, anniversary dates, because in the Middle East, when you have these hits and things and retaliations are usually done very symbolically.
And they pick a symbolic date or symbolic location.
And I'd be trying to kind of model this because Iran is going to respond.
They are going to respond in some way, somehow.
And over there, you know, I don't know.
If I was like the number five nuclear scientist, they say, hey, now you're the number two.
And I said, yeah, but don't put that in the paper, please.
As soon as I get a low number, bad things happen.
I don't want a low number.
No, no, I'm number 16.
I'm an idiot, man.
I'm the number 16 nuclear scientist here.
Please get that straight.
I was, you know, no, no, no.
You went like to, you know, you were educating the United States.
Makes sense, Tom was the number six guy at Jam Dad when they sold it for $680 million.
He got the check, but he was number six.
But the point I'm getting to is I'm being serious.
Iran is going to respond, and they're going to get together.
It's going to be very symbolic, and it's going to be very, you know, forceful.
And, you know, unfortunately, you know, you get a lot of civilians, and people are probably going to get hurt.
And it's a world in which we live.
The Middle East is a tough place.
It's got a lot of fuses over there and a lot of people that get easily triggered.
For hundreds of years, it's been this way.
And so one thing we have to respect in the United States is how much we don't understand.
And how much I appreciate your analysis.
You just took us through, Pat.
You walked through all the steps.
And I think Americans need to do that and kind of understand.
And, you know, we can loop all this back to the virginity test in London, where there's a culture over there that has a certain set of beliefs, but they're also living with another culture.
And that's what leads to this.
And so, you know, one man's misunderstanding is another man's culture.
Iran is not, you don't publicly humiliate a community like Iran.
You know how there's a friend.
You know how there's like, if I tell a joke at you, how do you take it?
Like, let's just say if we say stuff about Soyboy, what does it do to you?
Nothing.
People don't realize it doesn't bother you.
Like, it doesn't bother you saying sobo and mafia.
You even have fun with it.
To the point where we called a bunch of people the other day.
Every time I said, Adam, what did everybody say about Adam?
They love the guy, right?
They love Adam.
It wasn't like it was five guys or ten guys.
It was every phone call loved Adam.
Soyboy Mafia.
Shout out, right?
We're out there.
You ever met anybody that if you say one thing to them, they're so sensitive that they will keep it forever?
Yeah.
And then they will retaliate.
You know who I'm talking about.
Just go to a person like that in your life, that you publicly humiliated them.
They're not going to let go of it.
They're extremely wired in a different way.
They have ego at the highest level.
They're not as strong as they act out to be.
They're actually not strong.
They're weak.
They're not that strong.
But they will retaliate.
This is that kind of a regime that they will retaliate.
It's not going away.
They're not going to.
The regime specifically.
The what?
The regime.
The regime's going to be.
Not the culture, not the people, but the regional people.
No, no, no.
The people are.
Dude, are you kidding me?
Like, I'd love to take you to Tehran, Iran, and we go have a blast together.
I'd love to go out there and show you the culture, the history, rich history.
It's never about the people.
It's about the regime.
It's about the philosophies that the regime's running.
So it's going to be interesting to see what happens in Iran.
So the bottom line is the regime is not going to sit there and take this.
They are not going to do it.
And they're going to do it during a time where the opposing leader of the U.S. is not going to retaliate.
Someone like Joe Biden.
A person like Joe Biden is not going to say, if you don't do this, we're coming after you.
No, a person like Joe Biden is going to say the following speech.
Well, I just want you to know, under the Trump administration, if you allow the number two leader to get killed, Hassan Soleimani, and you think you were doing the right thing, if you allow Abu Muhammad get killed, and then if you allow the number one nuclear scientist to get killed, if you do that, you are, this is not an Iran attacks.
Guess who Biden's going to blame?
Biden's going to say the attacks that Iran just imposed on to is a byproduct of the policies brought down by Donald Trump.
Remember when I said this.
Just remember when I said this.
Kai, make a note on this in your notes because you're going to make a note in your phone notes.
Say, podcast 29, Iran nuclear, and put the time right.
Now it's right about one hour when I said this.
Right about one hour when I said this.
They're going to have to come back and reshoot it and not reshoot it, cut it.
And it happened next two to three years.
That this is what's going to be said.
You will hear them say it.
And I'm going to show you that I said this.
That's what's going to be said.
Because they're not going to sit around.
They're going to retaliate.
And Biden's out's going to be what?
It's not my fault.
It's the Pride administration that really pissed them off.
That's what's going to happen next two, three, four years.
And bottom line, you think Iran.
I hope I'm wrong.
I hope I am absolutely wrong.
Is part of this going to be the $150 billion that Iran will potentially receive?
Like, do you think that's like prediction time?
They need money.
Do you think that they're going to put a deal for it?
They're going to get the money back.
They're going to get the sanctions cut.
Iran's going to go become powerful again in the Middle East.
They're not going away.
Because you think they're going to get the money.
They're going to get the money very quickly.
And you know what they're going to say?
They're going to use a word, a very magical word.
They're going to say peace, truce, you know, something like that, where it's a powerful word.
And we're going to say, oh, wow, there's peace in Iran.
That's what they're going to use.
Who's buying it?
And we're going to, well, 80 million people are going to buy it.
80 million people are going to buy that.
80 million people are going to say, what a peaceful, noble thing to do.
About 80 million people are buying it.
So if you're asking the question, I'll give you specific data online.
It's about 80 million people and one sitting at this table here.
Well, you're saying money or not, Iran is not looking for peace.
No way.
They're looking for retaliation.
Iran, they don't just dislike Israel.
They hate Israel.
And the difference between Netanyahu.
Here's the other thing with Netanyahu, also.
Let me give you Netanyahu's side as well.
He's not a guy that's sitting around not ruffling feathers and not talking publicly.
That presentation, if you've never seen this, you've got to sit there and watch that.
It's the most eloquent presentation PowerPoint.
Like you look at that and you say, this guy's probably prepared to give this PowerPoint at least 20 times before he gave it.
Netanyahu is also not one that's sitting around afraid of Iran.
And again, Israel historically has been known for having what?
The strongest Air Force, historically.
They've always been known.
Israel has the best Air Force.
Israel has the best Air Force.
Now you're seeing these kinds of creative attacks.
Technology.
Technology is at a different level, right?
Well, when you have the U.S., you know, if U.S. has your back, you can be project toughness.
Like, we talked about this with Armenia.
The question is going to be if they're going to have their back this next time around.
U.S. U.S. is going to have Israel's back.
Of course.
When did they not?
U.S. is going to have Israel's back the way they're going to have it like prior four years?
I don't know about that.
What do you mean, four years?
The past 50 years.
I don't know about that.
How has it been any different?
Are you kidding me?
You're saying under Obama, Israel was as tough as they were the last four years?
No way.
You're saying that the Israel and U.S. relationships.
Give me two days to go show you exactly words that were said under the Obama administration towards Israel to not really protect them as much as it was before.
All you need to do is go spend an hour online.
You'll realize how Israel was during Obama's administration.
Let me get this straight.
You're saying U.S. had Israel's back and U.S. agreed to give $150 billion to Iran.
But that was part of the nuclear deal.
Part of the nuclear testing, right?
So you're giving me money to stop doing nuclear testing.
And first of all, how do you hold me accountable to that?
How do you even know if I'm not doing it?
I'm not going to do that rabbit hole conversation.
But how do you actually do it?
Honestly, how do you actually do it?
I assume that's what someone put in the deal.
I'm going to give you money to tell you don't create nuclear war.
That's brilliant.
That's a brilliant strategy.
I've never heard of that brilliant strategy before.
You don't do it that way.
You do it with measures to say, if you do XYZ, here's the price.
There is no price.
You don't tell your kids, son, please, here's some money.
Just please stop saying bad words to your mommy.
You don't do that.
You say, I'm sorry.
What did you say?
No problem.
That Xbox, I'm taking it straight to my office.
No Xbox for three weeks.
That's how you do it.
And then they realize, okay, daddy's serious.
You don't do it and say, oh, here's $100.
Guys, please, when you play Xbox, don't raise your voice.
What the hell?
What the hell kind of a negotiation is that?
Oh, here's some money.
Please don't create a nuclear bombing.
You don't think they should have ever given Iran?
Here's a country that goes around saying Maddock bat on record, death upon America.
You want to give them money?
Let me get this straight.
I sit here and I curse your mother out, and you end up giving me 10 grand.
How the hell does that make any sense?
Well, I mean, obviously, the point was to stop their entire nuclear.
So I give you 10 grand.
You give me 10 grand to say, Pat, stop calling my mom out.
Would you give me, if I kept saying jokes about your mom, are you going to say here's $10,000?
Please stop.
Look, I got to.
That's what U.S. did.
I'm not saying that the Iran nuclear deal was good or bad, I'm saying they had a deal in place.
You bought niceness.
What the hell do you mean you're buying it?
Basically, you're saying no matter what amount of money that you gave Iran, they were not going to honor it.
That's what you're saying.
No.
So Trump's move to pull out of the Iranian.
Their fabric.
The Iranian fabric.
Okay.
I'm going to go out there and I'm going to say, okay, you want me to give you money?
Yes.
Perfect.
Allow every single social media in your country, all of it, okay?
Allow every single one of our media in your country.
If you kill one person, public killing that you did, I don't know what the numbers that they had.
I think their number is some ridiculous number that they have.
Public assassination that they had last year.
The number is like 50 people that they killed.
Don't forget the wrestler, what Iran did.
I think China's the leader of 250-something, but don't forget what Iran did.
You do one of those, you lose your money.
If we get one time hearing from the top politicians threat to America that's recorded, you're losing your money.
If you don't allow Fox, BBC, CNN, ABC, NBCs, any of those guys in Iran, you're losing your money.
If you do one more attack, you're losing your money.
I'm going to put, if, if you in your textbook in school, if we see in your textbook in schools, you're talking about how shitty of a country America is and how much we're the enemy, you're losing your money.
The great Satan.
If you want to keep doing that, you're losing our money.
That's how you give money.
You don't give money and say, please be nice to us.
Please.
Let's make this work.
Have you ever been able to buy, say the girl you love the most, have you ever been able to buy love?
No.
How much money has been able to buy love?
Nothing.
Even the guy who died couldn't buy Anna Nicole Smith's love.
You know, the billionaire that married Anna Nicole Smith.
And so you ain't buying no love.
She's just buying the money is what you have.
You cannot buy love.
You cannot buy peace.
Well, she also had an expiration date, apparently.
She used too much drugs.
She couldn't control herself.
Exactly.
But she had lower back problems, which was attractive to him, which was attractive to him.
That's what he liked.
You didn't see the scientific side of it.
That's called failing in biology.
But paying attention to the right areas of life.
So you bring up another point.
Say, you know, you take also a look at North Korea, right?
Do you think, you know, there's a variety of positions that are out there, but the South Koreans have been very frustrated by the entire rest and the Japanese, by the entire rest of the West to not permanently de-arm North Korea.
And you have another lunatic that gets paid off in foreign aid, but he doesn't stop making weapons.
And every now and then, on an anniversary date, he launches another sub-ballistic missile into the ocean.
And everybody looks at this, gosh, he's crazy.
Why isn't he stopped?
Well, you've given a bunch of money and he keeps doing research and he keeps doing it.
And he promised he wouldn't do it next time.
Yeah, this is not going away, Tom.
I mean, people have to realize that.
I'm saying this is the method that there is.
There is a method that believes, there is a political position within the left that believes that appeasement through aid creates peace.
It doesn't.
No.
Zero.
No, no, no.
Zero.
Look, you know.
What you're talking about has played out in North Korea, too.
How many wars do we have the last four years?
How many wars did we have the last four years?
By a personality?
How many new wars caused by Trump?
No.
What countries did he unite the last four years?
A lot of peace deals in the middle.
How?
How?
How did a personality like his do that?
How many wars during Obama?
How many?
How many?
How many wars did you see?
How many wars?
How many times did you see terrorist attacks?
How many times did you see ISIS?
How many times in the news did you hear about ISIS?
Every day we woke up ISIS.
Debate topics, ISIS, debate topics, ISIS.
What ISIS topic did you see in single debate the last four years?
What happened?
Because the enemy needs to at least respect you and fear you, what you're capable of.
See, when I sat with Sammy, I talked to Sammy and I asked him a question, Sammy Dubo Gravano.
I said, Sammy, there's some people that say John Gotti never killed anybody.
He always told people to go kill somebody.
He says, don't get it twisted.
John is capable.
He says, that's all that matters in the world I was a part of.
I said, what do you mean capable?
He says, he's capable of taking your life.
So I wouldn't cross him.
That's all you have to realize.
And because of that, they didn't.
So the point with politics is they have to know if they push the envelope, you're willing to go to extreme measures.
You don't buy peace.
And that's exactly what they try to do.
By the way, if you watch live PD, there's a sheriff on that show called Sheriff Lamb.
Sheriff Lamb is, it was one of the most popular shows for police.
And the show was canceled, I believe.
Was the show canceled Kai eventually?
The show was canceled, right?
I want to call Sheriff Lamb to see what he thinks about what's going on right now in, what do you call it, in France with this new law that they're proposing to see what he has to say.
Okay, let me know if you guys are ready.
You guys ready?
We're good with the call?
Okay.
Hello, this is Mark.
Mark, how are you?
This is Patrick David with Adam and Tom Ellsworth.
How you doing, Patrick?
I'm doing Adam, Tom.
I'm doing great, man.
I appreciate you taking some time.
So I wanted to get your feedback on this.
I don't know if you heard about what happened in France and what announcement they're making.
I'll read it to you.
Then you tell us your thoughts on this and if this is possible and if it's good for the people, if it's not good for the people, and can this be something that can have momentum that could lead into U.S.
So, here's what France is talking about.
Uproar in France over proposed limits on filming police.
French President Emmanuel Macron government is pushing a new security bill that makes it illegal to publish images of police officers with intent to cause them harm.
Amit other measures, critics fear the new law could hurt press freedoms and make it more difficult for all citizens to report on police brutality.
French activists fear that a proposed new security law will deprive them of a potent weapon against abuse.
Cell phone videos of police activity threatening their effort to document possible cases of police brutality, especially in impoverished immigrant neighborhoods.
What are your thoughts about this potential new bill that Macron is trying to push in France?
You know, at first I thought it's a little bit of a violation of the First Amendment, but then I started reading into it a little bit further.
And you know what?
We don't get the protection that we need.
It is not fair.
A lot of times the media uses the First Amendment to go above and beyond what I think it was designed for.
Nobody's impeding their ability to go out and report.
All we're saying is, I see what the French are doing.
What they're saying is saying you can't put somebody else's life at risk because you didn't like the actions.
And how many times have we seen videos where they don't show you the full context of the video either?
And I think it's unfair to those officers to be blasted out there.
And we've seen our media, look at what they've done.
They'll put your address out there on social media.
They'll put your face out there.
And that puts our lives and our families at risk either.
So I don't think the First Amendment was designed.
I don't think the founding fathers had the intentions of putting the very same people who protect you every night at risk because you decided the media decided they didn't like how you did your job.
Now, does that say that we shouldn't, I'm not saying you need to hide the actions of bad officers.
Absolutely not.
This stems from a this stems because of a violation of the Constitution the French don't have, but this comes there this is getting a lot of attention because of that where they beat that guy up in the hallway in the recording studio.
Do you know what they beat him up over?
No.
He wasn't wearing a mask.
They beat him up because he wasn't wearing a mask and he probably resisted against it.
So we're in this weird spot in this world where we want to violate certain rights of the Constitution and people's freedoms, but then the media wants to retain their full rights and even expound on it to where I think the founding fathers didn't have the intention of them being.
So you're actually thinking this is not a bad idea on what they're trying to do in France.
Well, I see what they're trying to do.
I don't know that you can do it here.
And I'm a very staunch supporter of the Constitution.
I just think that it is inappropriate.
It's no different than if I were to put out the media's addresses on my websites.
Have you ever heard the saying, the pen is mightier than the sword?
I will assure you that the media causes more violence in this country with what they write and what they report than what the police do.
So we can totally agree with you on that.
Completely 100% agree with you on that.
These guys want to continue to incite people and anger people.
Why else would you need to know and want to report somebody's address?
That's what they're arguing over.
They don't like the fact that they can't put these guys on blast for their actions and jeopardize them.
Why would you want to do that in the first place?
That's not the job of the media.
And it's not appropriate that the media do that anyway.
Sheriff Lynn, this is Adam here.
I have a question for you.
Sure.
Obviously, 2020 has been an insane year.
You've been right.
I mean, you've been police officer sheriff for how many years now, total?
Four now going into my second four.
Okay.
So just from a macro perspective, what have you seen specifically change rules-wise, but more importantly, perception?
Like, do people come up to you with the same amount of respect?
Do you get a lot of pushback still?
Obviously, everything since George Floyd, BLM, you know, defund the police.
Just more of a macro question.
Like, what are you seeing on the ground?
Do people still respect you?
Are people, you know, proverbially spitting your face?
Fuck you, pig.
Like, what are you seeing out there since 2020 is?
That's a great question.
That actually depends on where you live.
You know, here in my county, we have people that are very pro-police.
And what this has done is this has made people appreciate their law enforcement even more.
So I think there's a lot of places in this country where they've always appreciated law enforcement.
And now they've said, hey, we appreciate you guys even more for what you're doing.
There are other cities where the local government has allowed this behavior to continue and this anti-police behavior to continue.
And so that's emboldened a lot of the people who don't like police to spit in your face and to say these things.
And actually, in many cases, I think they're violating the law.
They're either disorderly conduct or they're, I don't think anybody should ever be within a foot or two of a law enforcement agent.
You know, set up some barricades, move them back.
They have their right to protest under the First Amendment.
They don't have the right to stick your phone in a cop's face.
I don't think that's appropriate.
I think that starts getting into social safety issues.
So you said you don't think they have the right to put a phone camera in a cop's face.
Well, I think what it gets into is officer safety.
You know, we have a right.
We have a job to protect the public, and we also have a job to protect ourselves.
And how do I protect the public when somebody's got a phone in my face and they can't see what's going on?
I think that what these cities need to do is, and we've done it here, there's been a lot of agencies in our state that have, they've set up barricades and they said, you guys are free to protest right here in this area.
You know, we're not impeding on that right, but don't cross over this barricade because this is a zone that we're trying to protect.
You know, this is the safe, we're trying to maintain officer safety and public safety here.
So I think that what we've, what the media has shown and what has been allowed, I think is we're pushing the envelope and it's making our job even harder in law enforcement.
Sheriff, this is Tom Elsworth, the BizDoc.
I got a question for you.
Hey, how are you?
Appreciate your thoughtfulness here.
So can you comment a little bit?
I think I'm hearing it between the lines there.
It's like you take a look at Portland.
So they created this DMZ, or is it Seattle?
Who had the free zone downtown?
That was Seattle.
Yeah, DMZ, I think, is in North Korea.
Yeah.
Well, but you get the point, right?
Yeah.
You're creating a free zone.
And so there were, the police actually got stuck on the perimeter of that and couldn't go inside.
And there were people that really needed help.
And people that are on the inside that established it, suddenly a couple of them needed help.
So it is kind of a two-faced answer by the protest public, right?
Yeah.
I mean, what they did was completely different.
They set up a whole free zone where people could go in and they violated people's.
What about all those businesses who had their businesses destroyed?
That was your job as a law enforcement officer to protect those, to maintain the, you know, keep, to maintain the peace.
Here in the Arizona, the Constitution says my job as a sheriff is to suppress any affrays, insurrections, riots, or any lawlessness that comes into the county.
What they did was try to be cute and set up this.
And I'm not saying it was the Portland or the Seattle police.
Their government thought it would be best to set up a zone where people could just run amok and not keep them in check.
Look, I was listening to your guys' show earlier.
How did that work?
What we've done is we've started allowing, like Patrick was talking about Iran.
We're just saying, well, hey, guys, we'll give you this spot if you just don't be violent toward the other thing.
And you can't do that.
That's children will react completely unruly if you do that.
The best example you gave was, hey, I'll give you $100 if you guys just play your Xbox quietly.
No, you take the Xbox away.
That's how you're going to get them to behave.
And look, there's a fine line.
People are going to not like what I'm saying.
And I'm very constitutional-minded, but we have adultered the First Amendment.
There have been groups that have, they have taken the First Amendment and completely adultered the First Amendment with either their what they say, their freedom of speech, or also, more in particular, their right to protest, to address grief, to redress grievances with the government.
You don't do that at 11 o'clock at night.
All the government buildings are shut down.
So, I mean, look, we've adultered the First Amendment.
We've got to get it in check, get it back.
I'm not saying to violate people's rights, but we can't let the First Amendment go to where it wasn't supposed to be.
Mark, what do you think is going to happen under a Biden administration with police?
I mean, you're seeing what created momentum with defunding the police.
Then you're seeing Biden originally people were worried Sanders was going to be on the cabinet.
People were worried AOC was going to have a position.
Elizabeth Warren was going to have a position.
None of that happened, but they were able to get a lot of those guys to help him get elected.
Do you think he's going to be aggressive against cops, or do you think he's going to be fairly reasonable with your world with police officers, cops, sheriffs, all the folks out there that do what you do?
Well, I think it's first and foremost important to understand that he is not the president-elect.
He has not been determined by the Electoral College to be the president-elect.
The media has claimed him to be the president-elect.
So, first and foremost, I think it's important to distinguish that.
He is a guy pretending to be the president-elect right now.
It is likely that he will be the president-elect.
I'm not saying he won't, but as until December 14th, he's not.
It will be terrible under Biden.
I think this year showed during all the riots and the looting and all these different things, they had an opportunity to come out and stand against that and to support the law enforcement agencies across this country.
And they failed to do so.
Not only did they fail to do so, their silence, or in many cases, some of the rhetoric that they put out there was inflammatory towards law enforcement.
So, I don't, you in law enforcement, we can only go off of what we see.
And what I saw was a lack of support for law enforcement.
And what concerns me more than Joe Biden, because I just frankly don't think that if Joe Biden, should he be elected as president, I don't think that he stays in office very long.
I'm more concerned about the people that he keeps running up there as potential candidates for these positions.
I think that's alarming to me.
A lot of them are very radical, very progressive, and I don't think that is good for police officers.
And we're starting to see already the failures of some of these policies across this country.
But you got Minnesota, a lot of different places.
So, I think a Biden administration is terrible for law enforcement, and we'll have a lot of work to do.
And unfortunately, I think in a lot of places, you're going to see a lot more handcuffs put on than what they've been on.
Interesting.
Who concerns you the most from the people he's proposed?
I don't really think that the policies that his potential chief of staff is putting out there are very good.
I think, you know, talks of Elizabeth Warren, some of these other folks.
Kamala Harris concerns me.
I think that Kamala Harris has proven over time, based on what I see, as somebody who will say and do anything for votes, power, or money.
And anytime you're talking, that is a ticking time bomb to having somebody in public office if that's what they're willing to put.
They'll do anything for those three things.
And anybody should be concerned over that.
Well, brother, appreciate you for coming on and spending a few minutes with us and giving us insight on your world for us who hear all these different stories on both sides of the aisle on politics.
When you watch CNN, Fox, MSNBC, it's much easier for me to just call someone like you to say, hey, tell us what's really going on in the street.
So again, thank you for your time.
Appreciate you, buddy.
And hopefully we'll have you back on here soon and you'll be willing to come back on as a guest again.
All right.
Thanks, guys.
I appreciate it.
Take care.
Bye-bye.
Bye-bye.
So, you know, I don't know.
I don't know what's going to happen.
You know, you see these, going back to the whole thing with the camera, remember how yesterday we were talking about, I said, I don't know if I'm fully against it.
Do you remember when we were talking about the whole France camera thing yesterday?
I'm like, I'm not if I'm fully against it.
There's a part of it that like the other day I got pulled over, right?
Yesterday I got a reckless driving ticket.
I was going to ask the Sheriff Lamb about that.
Yeah, well, my license was suspended multiple times, so it's not the same.
Breaking news, Pat got pulled over again.
So I got a ticket yesterday, and this guy pulls me over, right?
And I said, okay, I'll pull over the car.
I've done this.
I probably have more tickets than everybody in this room combined.
I don't think anybody, if we combine, how many tickets you got total in your lifetime?
Total.
Four?
I have 75 tickets, 80 tickets.
I'm not kidding.
And that's the game up, bro.
For the first 12 months we were here, I got three tickets a week that my staff had to pay for every week, okay?
How do you still have a license?
I don't have a license.
I lost my license a couple times.
But let me go over.
Let me make this point to you.
So cop pulls me over.
And by the way, I've been pulled over all over the world.
So it's all over.
I've been pulled over every day.
This is in a Texas fan.
No, I got pulled over by a cop yesterday.
Okay.
And he pulls me over.
I'm like, look, I screwed up.
I said, what do we need to do?
He says, oh, hi.
Well, thank you for pulling over the car.
And, you know, if you don't mind taking out your driver's license and I don't want to grab it from you because I want to make sure you're healthy, you feel comfortable with it.
Would you mind turning your idea over?
I'm like, wait a minute, what the hell was this all about?
So I turn my driver's license over.
He gets the whatever code is on the back.
He has a barcode barcode.
He says, yeah, okay, you know, we're doing this for your safety.
And I'm like, great.
The guy's got a mask on.
A cop's got a mask on.
He's talking to me.
And I said, so anything you need from me?
He says, oh, no, I just want to let you know, look, I know, you know, I'm not trying to bother you.
I just want you to know that one thing you have on the back, I mean, if you don't mind, you know, I'm not going to give you a ticket for it.
And I got a cavity.
He was so sweet.
Just listen to the guy.
I've never heard a copy this sweet.
It was out of control, uncomfortable.
You're saying he was being too nice.
He was being so nice and he was so uncomfortable.
Big guy, probably 18-inch arms.
Massive guy, this guy was.
He was talking to me like that.
And I walked away saying to myself, this is the nicest cop that's ever pulled me over.
Out of all the 75 tickets I got, I've never had a nicer cop.
Is that because of his personality?
Or is that because cops are told, be a little nicer to people nowadays?
Try to be a little bit more amicable to people nowadays.
Be careful because they may be recording.
Be careful because maybe cop, do I want cops to be scared?
Do you want scared cops?
I don't know if I want scared cops.
Do you want cops to be so scared of what they need to do that they're thinking about being politically correct rather than protecting you?
I don't know if I'm going to war and tell my soldiers, hey guys, make sure when we're going out there, you don't talk about what they wear.
You don't talk about their clothes because we don't want to piss them off.
And so let's be respectful before we kill them.
What the hell are you talking about?
What are you talking about?
So now that's in war.
I'm not talking about cops are doing the same thing, but I kind of also want to empower cops.
I don't want to take the power away from cops.
I want cops to have power.
I don't want cops to not have any kind of power.
I'm not telling you for people not to have power.
Of course, I want the people to have power.
But I think there's a part of it here where it's a slippery slope, but also at the same time, I understand why cops would not be happy with somebody saying, okay, say it.
Say.
Can you imagine if somebody goes like this to you right now?
What's your initial reaction?
Go ahead.
It's annoying as shit.
You just got pissed off.
So you're a cop.
Go ahead.
Go ahead.
You're alive.
Hey, I just want to let you know he did this.
Sexual harassment.
I don't know.
I mean, I'd be like, you know what?
I'd go to my boss on Monday.
I'd say, boss, I'm just not made to be a cop.
I'm good.
I don't like cameras in my face 24-7.
I'm good.
I resign.
Just some quick feedback.
I hear you on both sides.
I hear the sheriff.
I hear what you're saying.
You know, the cop that pulled you over.
I don't see anything wrong with him not being an asshole.
What do I mean by that?
Let me unpack that.
Most cops are not an asshole.
I'm not saying that.
When cops pull you over, you're not a freaking criminal because you were speeding 10 miles over the speed limit, okay?
There's no reason to be like, all right, buddy, put your hands on the wheel.
Let me see your shit.
And they just say, dude, okay, just give me a fucking ticket.
Let's move on with our life.
You don't have to be a total asshole about it.
That is a lot of cops, though.
Like, I've been pulled over a handful of times.
I disagree.
I've had very listen to what he said.
Listen to what he said.
Listen to what he said.
We have to be able to reason.
Okay.
We have to be able to, it's comments like that that ruins people's reputation.
Imagine somebody who lives in the worst part of town where majority of the people are Salvadorian and they live in the capital of Mara Sabatrucha.
Go to a place in LA and say, I've met a lot of Salvadorians.
They're all like this.
Bullshit.
You just so happen to live in the capital of a place where MS-13 is at.
We just had an El Salvadorian guy in our company cross a million dollars this week.
Okay, he's been with us for five years.
He was a former economist in El Salvador, had the third highest grade in his class.
The entire country ended up giving him a scholarship to go to any country, becomes an economist, comes to the States.
Now, him and his wife, Rodolfo and Cesi Vargas, just crossed a million dollar income.
He's Salvadoran.
I don't say, oh, because I went to Glendale and I was in Eagle Rock all the time around MS-13, all Salvadorians are like that.
The guy said, when we asked the question, you asked the question from him, how is it today being a cop in 2020?
How is it?
Do people spit in your face?
And what was his answer?
Depends where you live, right?
Exactly.
So you can't say that about cops everywhere just because of the current making a blanket statement.
No, no, no.
We have to run the tapes.
Go back and listen to it.
I'm two minutes ago.
See what he said.
Just because they pull you over, they don't have to be an asshole.
No, you said most cops are assholes.
I did not say most cops are assholes.
I did not say that.
Rewind the tape and gladly.
Because those words are not.
I said there's no reason that they have to be an asshole.
Most of them are not assholes.
I'm not saying that they are, but if you get a ticket, like you're surprised that he was sweet.
I was actually like, all right, cool.
He wasn't being like, hey, man, like, I don't want you to be pulled over.
You don't want him to be like, give me your, let me see your stuff.
Do you want him to be mean?
I don't want, listen, I don't want the coaches to my kids.
I don't think it's appropriate for a police officer to be that sweet.
Okay.
I don't think it is.
There's a fine line between authoritative and being mean.
I don't say be authoritative.
I'm not telling you be sweet.
For me, I think you have to be in the middle for a position like that.
That's what I'm saying.
He's not in the middle.
I'm telling you, he was scared.
Okay.
I thought he was just being nice.
I don't know if he was scared.
You said he was being sweet and you almost got a cavity because he was nice.
He was overly sweet and nice.
You're taking it to he was sweet because he was scared.
He was afraid.
That's a different story.
I thought he was just being nice.
No.
And I don't have a problem with him being nice.
No, no, he was being a little bit too scared because what if somebody makes a complaint and what if this?
I'm like, no, no.
You don't want him to drink.
It's like what I told him?
You know what I told him?
That's what I told him.
I just want to know, man.
I appreciate you what you do.
He said, I just want you to know, you're very important to me.
Yeah.
Very important to me.
How did he respond?
And he was shell-shocked.
Really?
He's shell-shocked.
He's like, you're serious.
You have no idea how much you mean to me.
I appreciate your job.
Because on any given day, your wife and kids don't know if you're going to go home tonight.
I sell insurance.
I'm going home tonight.
Unless if I screw up on the freeway, I'm probably going to make it home tonight.
They don't know if you're going to go home tonight.
Your daughter, your son, this may be the last time they saw you this morning.
I got a lot of respect for cops.
And when you forget that part, it's very easy when the whole story about soldiers were coming back from war back in the days and people were spitting in their face at airports.
Disgusting.
You freaking kidding me?
Do you realize what they just did?
They missed the birth of their kids.
You're sitting here spitting in the guy's face because he gave you freedom and all they did is follow the orders of a president that told them to go to war.
It's not like they made a decision to go to war.
Correct.
They chose to go to war because a president called us out.
What are you doing spitting in their faces?
I think we have to have respect for military.
I think we have to have respect for officers, but I also think we have to have respect for people.
I think the one thing that we need to be spending more time talking about is basic respect.
It's just respect.
You've got to respect we the people.
We the people's got to respect cops.
We the people have got to respect military.
We just have to respect one another.
If we come from that standpoint and we love, we do our best to love one another, we got some stuff to do here.
100% agree with you.
But we have to lead.
We can't be little softies afraid because I may say something that's going to be like, oh my gosh, let me be careful because of political correctness.
I'm 100% agreement with you.
You know, statistically speaking, the most dangerous thing officers do, you know what it is?
Statistics.
If you look at all the incidents, you know what it is?
Pull over.
Pull somebody over.
The number of incidents that start with a pullover is there because a lot of times people are speeding for a reason, driving recklessly for a reason, under the influence, have committed a crime, things like that.
And so you listen to police officers say, listen, when you pull somebody over, here's what I have to do.
And I've heard this.
They say, I have to be cautious.
I have to be clear and I got to be firm.
And when I'm walking up to the window of that vehicle, I'm cautious, and I'm going to be very clear with that driver, and then I got to be firm.
Now, are there some cops that go over the edge?
Sure.
But I think body cams, dash cams kind of neutralize that because what did you say?
What tone of voice did you have?
It's being recorded because your duty day is being recorded.
And I think the people with camera phones at the perimeter, you know, I have no trouble with that.
I have big trouble when people jump into the middle of an active police action and they're putting the cameras in their face.
You're inciting it and you're creating something that's not there.
And by the way, something the sheriff said is absolutely true.
It's not about protest.
We have the right to free assembly and we have the right to free speech, but we also have disturbing the peace and we have a lot of parameters that go along that.
Peaceful protests, peaceful marches.
You know, that's where it's got to go.
And when you have these people that create these mob scenes and they're creating incidents within what they call as a protest and they're giving everyone license to like attack what's what's the underlying Current there is there is a attack on authority and the police represent authority and they're getting attacked on what's going on in the protest right now.
And I think we need to appreciate the fact that are there some bad cops?
Sure, there are.
However, just take a look at body cams, dash cams, and recording what's going on and appreciate the fact that statistically speaking, the most dangerous thing a policeman does is pull people over.
It's a question mark.
You pull somebody over, it's a question mark.
You got to respect it.
You know, it's kind of like when you work at a company, Adam, and all of a sudden, your employees flip on you.
Okay.
And it happens to different leaders.
I have it happen to our sales leaders all the time, and it happens to department leaders all the time.
Tom's very aware of this as well.
He's been in the world for a long time and he's seen this happen.
It's when the boss becomes afraid of losing employees.
When you get afraid of losing employees to the point where you start making decisions based on afraid of losing employees, you officially lost the ability to lead your company, lead your department.
You can't be like that.
Now, let's flip it.
If you are losing employees because you treat them like crap, you're getting what you deserve.
So you have to understand that part as well.
So it's not just a one-side.
Like when a guy, oh, God, you know, they're, well, maybe you got some things you got to work on, man.
Some way you treat people, like, you may want to work a little bit more on their relationship thing.
I'm not telling you to be timid.
Just telling you, be a little bit more respectful, hear them out a little bit.
Be willing to support them just because they're, you know, have their back during good and bad times.
Like, you got to go through some of that process together.
But if it flips and it's just somebody becoming too worried about losing people, you're no longer leading that organization.
The organization is leading you, similar to when kids are leading their parents.
I'll give a final thought on Tom's comment.
Great stat about the most dangerous interaction is with cops is when they pull you over.
My question with that is: I would assume the majority of interactions with cops are when they pull you over.
I mean, think about how often are you interacting with cops, unless you're at a freaking riot that we're talking about here where you're putting a camera in someone's face.
On your day-to-day interactions, you're not dealing with cops.
Like if you go to like a sports game, maybe they're outside the arena, you know.
But like, how often do you interact with cops?
You interact with cops 75 times a year, apparently, with all the tickets that you get.
But it's dangerous, but it's also the most likely situation to happen interacting with cops.
And this goes back to my initial point.
You, I mean, I'm being very clear here.
You, if you get a $200 speeding ticket times 75, all right, whatever, bro, I got 200 bucks.
For the common person out there, they get a $200 speeding ticket, plus they get points on their license, plus their insurance goes up.
Their fucking day is ruined, and now they don't have the money to pay for the insurance.
They're very upset.
It's a law, though.
It is a law.
It is a law.
No doubt.
I broke a law.
No doubt.
But you have the ability to pay for it.
No question.
I also got tickets when I was broke.
To your assuming that I've been rich my entire life.
But you've been rich for a good 20 years now.
Not 20 years.
20 years ago, I was 22 years old.
I was broke.
No, I started making.
15 years.
15 years ago.
Where are you going here?
You're about to say that.
You shouldn't give a ticket to someone who doesn't have the ability to do that.
I don't know what I'm saying.
That's not what I'm saying at all.
I'm just saying, A, number one, most interactions are within someone getting pulled over.
So not only is it the most dangerous, but I assume the majority of interactions are, here's your ticket, keep it moving.
But if there's 10 million people getting pulled over every year, obviously it's going to be very high up to 90% of interactions cops have with people are those that broke the law.
I broke a law.
Yes.
Everybody that they're dealing, they're getting a call to go to someone's house because of domestic violence.
They're getting a call to go to someone's house because somebody robbed them.
They're getting a call to go because it was an accident.
Totally with the bad.
Everything is.
So imagine your entire life is your calling to go to deal with someone that broke the law.
What a wonderful way to start your day.
Horrible.
There you go.
But back to my initial point.
There's a big difference in going to someone's house because of a murder or domestic violence versus, hey, man, you were going 50 and a 35.
It's like, all right, cool.
I'll take the ticket.
But like, don't add insult to injury and be like, you don't need to be treated like a criminal.
Let me flip the conversation on you about cops, okay?
My sister can totally remember a couple of these two.
I'm not going to tell you a couple of them because they're pretty bad.
I can't stand bad cops.
And I call them out, ASAP.
There's witnesses.
One time we're going down to Newport Beach.
I was giving a talk at Balboa Club, and I was going my expedition.
22 years old.
This is at the peak of my temper.
And I'm not, you know, I only got 10 grand out of the bank, saved up my money from working at Bally's, and I'm using all that money to grow my business, which is not going well.
Now, I'm driving down, cop pulls me over, and he comes from the other side, okay?
And he comes with the gun, pointed at the car.
I'm like, what the hell are you doing?
So he comes to the side with his gun in his hand.
I said, what the hell are you doing?
4053, we're right off the Venice exit.
You know where the Venice exit is right off the 405 freeway.
Yeah.
Exactly.
I said, what are you doing?
I said, can I ask you what you're doing?
Well, there's been reports of a stolen car.
I said, what the hell do you have a gun in your hand?
I said, you see six people in this car with a suit on.
I said, how long have you been a cop?
None of your business.
How long have you been a cop?
How long have you been a cop?
He wouldn't answer that question for me.
I said, how long have you been a cop?
So finally, what do I do?
I go show up to court.
You know what he gave me a ticket for?
No joke.
I'm actually not joking here.
Going 71 on a freeway that was 65.
I got a ticket going 71 on 65.
Oh, you broke the law, Pat.
But I broke the law, so I went to court.
And I specifically wanted to know how long that guy had been a cop.
You know how long he had been a cop?
90 days.
Yeah.
He was a baby cop, okay?
Walking out with a gun on.
What the hell are you doing walking on with a gun on?
Can you imagine if you do that?
Yeah, what are you doing?
So there are those cops that use their badge and their gun as a method of a weapon that I'm more powerful than you.
I cannot stand that at the highest level.
But that's less than 1%.
I agree.
Okay, less than 1%.
For me to put that onus on the other 99% who are trying to do their best, I'm not going to do it based on 1%.
You never use exception to say the entire community is there because of 1%.
Not going to happen.
So, anyways, there's two sides to the story.
It is what it is.
Let's go to the next one.
This has to do with a boss.
So apparently what's coming out here is the following.
Your boss really, really thinks you should get vaccinated.
For U.S. businesses that have WFH since March, that have been WFH since March, working from home, the recent positive developments around vaccine trials landed as an opportunity to get the gang back together.
Employers could simply ask all of their employees to get vaccinated, return to the office, and to zoom 40 minutes off the cutoff forever.
But can employers legally require their workers to get vaccines?
Short answer, yes.
There are exceptions for people with disabilities or those with sincerely held religious beliefs against vaccination.
Labor unemployment attorney Michael Roach told business and said it that the safest legal tack is for companies to strongly encourage employees to get vaccinated.
If an employer did require vaccination, it might mean assuming liability for any nasty side effects.
Instead, labor unemployment law, Jay Rosenlev, advises companies to let workers get their shots on company time, make sure everyone knows senior leadership got poked.
And if the company has a union, ask its leaders to encourage vaccination.
The same is for kids in schools with the schools can tell their kids to get vaccinated.
So let me get this straight.
By the way, this is a slippery slope right here, man.
Let me tell you.
So a boss and employer can tell their employees, you have to get vaccinated or else.
Or else what, though?
Or else anything.
It's yes.
You can't work from office.
Because I'm seeing a couple different things here.
Or else you can't come here.
So that's the slippery slope, slippery slope.
You know, can you imagine a boss telling you you better get vaccinated or else you can't come to work?
Weird conversation.
Well, let me ask you a question here.
Can my kids' school say your kids better get vaccinated or else they can't come to the school?
I believe that's a thing, right?
They can say that.
They've been doing that for a while.
That's why people are leaving California.
Correct.
So you mean to tell me you and they say, well, he doesn't have to take the vaccine.
He just doesn't have to come to the school.
Well, what school gets grants that doesn't want their kids to get vaccinated?
What school gets kids to go to their school if the principal says we don't require vaccinations?
So schools are sitting there saying which audiences they're bigger of.
There's a bigger audience of parents that expect their kids to get what?
Vaccinated.
Vaccinated than parents that are not getting vaccinated.
So guess what?
We have to bank on people that want to get vaccinated.
So I brought this up to Jen the other day because my two kids' class got canceled because one of their something happened, you know.
So the kids' class got canceled.
Okay.
They're worried, okay, because high school first got canceled, and next grade got canceled, so the teachers are not showing up, et cetera.
So there's a whole discussion going on.
Then I said, Jen, what are you going to do if they say the kids got to get vaccinated or else they can't go to school?
She says, well, they can't do that.
I said, why can't they do that?
She looked it up and says, you know what?
They can actually do that.
So what if they do do that?
What's our position if they do that?
What are your thoughts?
You got two kids.
What are your thoughts about employer or school being able to force your kids to get vaccinated?
I think this is, there's a couple sides on this, and they all lead to really strong opinions and arguments.
On one hand, you've got an employer that's that, so you have all these people over here that don't want to get sick.
And they're telling the employer, say, hey, you know, these people need to get vaccinated.
And because I don't want to be exposed to something, you know, I'm going to get vaccinated.
I don't want to be sick, but I don't.
But remember, vaccinations are not 100%.
You can still get the flu.
Flu goes around your office.
You're like, I got the flu.
I can't believe I got the flu.
I actually got a flu shot.
And all these knuckleheads, you know, kind of to tough it out, came to work, and they gave me the flu.
Well, vaccination is the same way.
It's not 100%.
So people are not going to want it now.
Let's lift it up.
It's not the flu.
It's COVID that's some percent of people that get COVID.
And we all know the list, pre-existing conditions, comorbidities, and things like this.
And you could get really sick or worse.
So now people are going to say, well, if my boss and my company doesn't force other people to get vaccinated, you know what I'm going to do?
And I get sick, I'm going to assume I, because you created an unsafe work environment.
So you have that whole vector there.
And so I think this becomes a really crazy, slippery slope, you know, for on all sides of it.
You have people say you're infringing on my civil liberties.
How do you feel about it?
Me?
I don't want to be anybody's lab rat.
And I think the vaccines right now are being rushed.
I'd like to see the long-term efficacy.
You have medications that take a long time for the FDA to approve.
They're going through the process right now, by the way.
Yeah, but they're going through the process.
How are you able to really determine long-term efficacy or long-term side effects?
And we all know, look, let's look between the lines, right?
You go and you take a look at what's a great example.
Ah, the company that brought us OxyContin.
Turns out they had monstrous insurance and they had monstrous war chests and they knew they were going to pay off a percent of people that get addicted and die.
They knew.
Yep, exactly.
You know what I'm talking about?
So they're like, they rushed it because there was billions of dollars of profit to be made.
And then there was also a war chest and insurance to cover the percent.
And so you can't trust a corporate entity, right?
And I'm conservative.
But you got to be really careful about Russian things like medications.
So I don't want to be anybody's lab rat.
I don't want it to be rushed.
I mean, the question here is when you have kids, right?
Again, I don't have kids right now, so I don't necessarily have this going on in my mind.
But to be clear, are your kids vaccinated or no?
For COVID.
No, not COVID, but all the other stuff.
Not COVID.
I'm not talking about points.
Up in this point, yes.
And your kids?
Positions have slightly changed things.
Have your kids been vaccinated?
Yeah, measles, rebellion.
All smallpox standard stuff.
Okay, so you're an advocate of that.
And I daily try to vaccinate them against stupidity.
On the regular.
Yeah.
I missed that vaccination.
Sorry, guys.
But you said your point.
Some things don't need to be said, you know?
Yeah, I know.
The point that you were going with is that your point, your stance has changed a little bit regarding vaccines.
I have no idea.
I don't want this podcast to get taken down right now.
You have no idea.
But what's the deal with the vaccination?
Let me tell you, you have no idea.
You know what concerns me is when you can't talk about a topic without people getting uncomfortable.
The other day I had a guest on, Dr. Stephen Gundry, who's a number one cardiologist, you know, 10,000 heart surgeries he's done in his life.
And at the end, I talk about vaccine.
You could tell he's uncomfortable.
Right.
And you just have to go to the last 10 minutes and watch.
I'm sitting there like, wow, man, I feel bad.
Why is he uncomfortable?
So, well, you know, vaccines, you have to do this and you have to do it.
So he said all the politically correct questions until I ask, you got grandkids, yes.
Are you asking your granddaughter and your grandkids to, your daughter to get your grandkids vaccinated?
Nope.
Why not?
So you understand the positioning.
So on one end, you got to trust all this other stuff.
But when it comes down to your family, it's no.
Here's my problem.
My problem is force.
And what I mean by my problem is force is what Tom just said right there.
You have to realize division is created this way.
What's division?
In a company where a group of people said, you're not being responsible to get everybody vaccinated.
And another group that says, what?
I don't want to get vaccinated.
How do you win there?
You don't win.
You lose.
There is no winning there, by the way, just so you know that.
Somebody is going to lose.
And you know who loses?
100% of the time?
The employer loses.
That's right.
The employer doesn't win because the employer is going to be end up the enemy towards a group rather than saying you have a choice.
So now you want to flip it and say, employer can say everybody's got to get vaccinated.
And school's going to say, you have to go get the COVID vaccine.
I don't know about that.
So what's next?
So this then becomes, you know, the whole conversation about, I think what's his name was talking about, Bill Gates was talking about that eventually we're going to get to a point to have chips and all this other stuff.
Like I'm buying a cat right now from Russia.
Okay, that's going to be shipped out here.
You're trying a cat?
Yeah, I'm loving it.
You're getting a cat?
I'm looking at it right now.
So my dad is the only one that doesn't want a cat, but I'm looking at that.
Like we're going with this.
So we're going back and forth with the person.
Someone's going to go pick it up and deliver it to me, this cat.
And they said, oh, we have to do everything for the cat.
What's that?
The shots, this, this, that, and the chip.
I said, what chip?
So, yeah, the chip.
What's the chip?
To put the chip in there.
Well, the chips are getting started with animals.
Who's after animals after the chips get tested?
Then the chips can go potentially in human beings.
Why would you not have a test?
Why wouldn't you have a chip?
Why wouldn't you?
Would you agree to have a chip right on your body?
Would you today agree to have a chip in your body?
Get on the chip.
Would you agree to have a chip in your body today?
No.
In 10 years, you're going to say yes.
You think so?
Oh, because if they say, what is the difference between a chip and a vaccine?
If an employer says to you, no, what's your choice?
If the school says your kids, they don't have to have the chip.
What do you say?
Actually, what do you say?
So then we're going back to a society where you're being forced to do what the government is telling you to do or else.
And that or else is what I have a problem with.
Well, I know there's a lot of people in this country.
There's a lot of people in this country who won't even wear a freaking mask, much less a vaccination or a chip.
I don't, I don't, I don't blame them.
Okay.
I don't blame them.
Can you force everybody to wear a condom to have safe sex?
No, you can't.
No, you can't.
What's the force is a different question.
Can you force people to wear a mask?
And this is no, this goes back to the initial topic of this.
But here's the other part: the whole restaurants, you can't come to the restaurants if you're not wearing a mask and all that other stuff.
The reality is the restaurant also has the choice to say that.
Of course.
The business owner.
But if 100% of people now have to say that, what restaurants do you have to go to?
Think about it.
So if every school is forced to say your kids cannot come here because of vaccination, where do you take your kids?
You only have one option.
What, homeschool?
It's the only option you leave.
And that's not an easy option for people.
And they know that.
No.
They know it's not an easy option.
So I don't know.
I'm not comfortable with it.
That's all I'm saying.
I'm not trying to do it.
Just to read initially what you wrote, you know, not what you wrote, what you read, what Kai actually wrote up.
There's, you know, words are very powerful.
So they say, can employers legally require their workers to get vaccinated?
Short answer, yes.
And then as you go down, they say words like, strongly encourage, encourage vaccination.
Could be a liability.
So it's just, is it recommended?
Is it encouraged?
Is it required?
What is it?
I don't know.
What is it?
Yeah, schools, schools can, schools will say, if your kids don't have the Aldi vaccines, they can't go to the school.
So last question with this, quote unquote, all the vaccines.
I've heard there's like 72 vaccines.
Whatever the vaccines they want you to take.
What's the number?
Because I heard some.
72 is the vaccine.
Okay, so the 72 virgins, if you're 72 vaccines.
Yeah.
But I've heard some people say, look, I wouldn't do all 72.
I would do, you know, 10 of them, 20 of them.
I'll give you some.
Yeah, but I won't do all of them.
My question is.
Because you used to only have to do like six back in the day.
The question is: what do you have to do to allow your kids to go to school with their friends?
What is the state guideline forcing you to do?
And what is happening behind closed doors with this?
And are my kids protected?
And am I protected to choose?
And what would Governor PBD recommend?
I'm not a force.
I'm not a fan of force.
Okay.
Not.
You know, this whole thing was shut down.
Do you know this whole thing was shut down in Jersey?
They're shutting down schools.
Do you know how many kids under the age of 18 have died in Jersey?
How many?
0.00.
No, no, no.
Actually, give me the number.
How many kids in Jersey have died?
Under 18.
Under the age of 18.
I'm guessing under 10.
What do you think the number is?
I'm going to think it's a really low number.
You know how what's the lowest number?
That's what it is.
What's the lowest number?
Zero.
Okay.
No kid under the age of 18 has died from COVID.
In New Jersey.
In New Jersey.
Okay.
In California, what's the population?
40 million.
How many kids under the age of 18 have died in the state of California from COVID?
Again, I'm going under 20.
What do you think the number is?
I'm going to.
Two.
Yeah.
Two kids died under the age of 18.
You're shutting down schools?
What the hell are we talking about here?
How many kids died last year from their parents driving them to school?
A lot more than two.
It's more than two.
Are we going to shut down freeways?
No.
How many kids died last year because of pool drive?
How many times?
You heard what Mike Richards said last year, last week.
How many?
So Jersey shut, so you're shutting down because of zero kids under the age of 18?
You're shutting them because of two under the age of 18, California.
What the hell are we doing?
What are we talking about here?
And they're coming out with all these things.
Oh, it's going to get worse.
Oh, the numbers are worse.
Oh, the numbers are worse.
Yeah, what Tom just said right now about vaccine is FDA proved.
We don't know long-term what the ramifications are about this vaccine.
We don't know how long it's going to be going to take.
We don't know the long-term effects of these kids being forced to stay home with pissed-off parents trying to do their job and screaming at their kids.
We don't know.
Most people don't have the options.
Would you take the vaccine now, the COVID vaccine?
Absolutely not.
You would not?
No.
Would you, Tom?
No.
Right now?
Nope.
I'm not your lab rat.
What the CDC came out and said recently, I'm not sure if it was 40 or 50%.
I think it was like 40% of all deaths because of COVID, deaths, however you want to define deaths, have been in nursing homes or old age communities.
This clearly kills older.
I wish we had more time.
We have two minutes until I get on the conference call.
Look, yesterday, CNN came out and they did a report under Jake Tapper talking about the fact, well, we finally found out that the data that China offered was wrong and they had more cases and their delays.
You have to listen to this talk by Jake Tapper and he can't even hold himself.
He's so uncomfortable.
They finally showed data that we're not going to show the video.
You just got to go watch it.
We'll put the links below.
They finally show data that it's China's fault and they should have told the rest of the world.
And he, that guy right there, the doctor right there says, if they would have told the rest of the world, many lives could have been saved.
Oh, now you want to say it?
Who debated that it was China's fault?
Who debated?
What are you talking about?
We've always understood that it's China's fault.
No, The American media went went.
The American media was out of the way.
By the way, that's the kind of stuff.
When Trump said it was China virus.
What do you mean?
What do you mean?
This is the first time CNN is reporting it's China's fault.
What do you mean?
I thought it was pretty clear that it was China's fault.
When's the last time you saw CNN saying it's China's fault?
I don't watch CNN.
I'm not a liberal leftist.
What is this problem?
Exactly.
That's the problem.
I'm just kidding, by the way.
When did you get vaccinated?
I'm pretty sure we've been blaming the Wuhan flu on China for months now.
Who has been, though?
Nobody's been.
Except once.
I called it the China flu.
You had the lady on right here that said that China developed this in a lab.
Who?
PBD.
But who was the lady?
Who was a Chinese virologist?
Has she ever been on CNN?
Has she ever been on MSNBC?
When you go on airports, what do they play?
CNN?
So what are you saying?
What are you saying that conspiracy?
At airports, what do they play?
When you go to hotels, what radio?
What TV do they have?
Airport CNN.
Airport CNN.
Hotel CNN.
Everywhere you go, it's CNN.
It's not a Fox News game.
What has CNN been saying, to be clear?
Nothing.
They finally said it's China's fault.
Finally, saying it's China's fault.
But whose fault were they blaming it on?
They were just playing dumb.
Trump's administration, Trump's handling, the way he handled it, the way World Health Organization came out and finally said it's a pandemic after Trump shut down China.
You realize when you're talking about all this data, even Trump's sitting there saying, you haven't even told us it's a pandemic.
Now you want to categorically say it?
And he shuts down before and then Pelosi goes to Chinatown and says, oh, these are good people.
What the hell are you talking about?
It's this kind of stuff of propaganda that gets the 80 million people to say, hey, yes, this is right.
All I'm trying to say is the 80 million and the 75 million need to take 30 million from each side and create a third damn party.
I would love that.
Take 30 from the 80, take 30 from the 74.
We need a third party.
We need a candidate that people can stand up to, though.
Yeah, we do need a candidate.
Anyways, we can get on along with this.
I wish we had more time.
We had a Zoom to get on, Tom.
This was a blast having you on on the podcast.
This is more focused because last time it was a lot more of us.
It's just me, you know.
Shout out to the BizDoc showing up.
Thank you so much, Adam.
Shout out to the BizNock.
And by the way, I've been telling Tom, Tom's itching case studies.
Tom's itching case studies.
Tom's really itching some case studies.
If you want to see Tom shoot a couple case studies, why don't you push that subscribe button if you want to see Tom start doing some of his case studies?
And he's got some up his sleeves.
He pitched us like five, six of them yesterday indirectly.
You're a good sales guy.
You went to IBM sales training.
I'm not a fool.
You pitched six or seven case studies yesterday, and they were very attractive.
