Dr. Oz Podcast - DNA Test Secrets, Privacy Risks and Tyra Banks Interview | Dr. Oz | S9 | Ep 155 | Full Episode
Aired: 2026-04-24
Duration: 42:42


=== Hidden Half Brother Revealed (15:08) ===

[00:00:00]  DNA test kits.
[00:00:01]  There was something I didn't expect.
[00:00:04]  I'm an only child.
[00:00:05]  It said half brother.
[00:00:07]  From hidden relatives to paternity secrets, people did a DNA test and something crazy happened.
[00:00:14]  Plus, hi everyone.
[00:00:17]  Tyra Banks on motherhood.
[00:00:19]  I did think it wasn't going to happen.
[00:00:20]  And so he is my miracle baby.
[00:00:22]  And the true story behind her nose job.
[00:00:26]  Coming up next.
[00:00:32]  Are you ready to save some lives today?
[00:00:39]  I love you, background.
[00:00:50]  You swab, you scrape, you spit, and you send.
[00:00:54]  The popularity of at home DNA testing kits is continuing to soar, with millions of you hoping to unlock your family history and trace your roots.
[00:01:03]  But could you be getting more than you bargained for?
[00:01:06]  From hidden relatives to paternity secrets.
[00:01:09]  The day we talked to people who did a DNA test and something crazy happened.
[00:01:14]  Now, we're going to start off with Jacqueline, who couldn't wait to get her DNA test when it came in the mail.
[00:01:19]  And I always ask the folks, what prompted the test in the first place?
[00:01:23]  Thanks for being here.
[00:01:24]  Hi, thank you.
[00:01:24]  Thank you so much.
[00:01:25]  So, why did you want to get the test?
[00:01:27]  You know, after I had both my children, unfortunately, because my father had passed away and I'm estranged from my mom, I really didn't have anyone to get answers from about my health.
[00:01:38]  And I thought it was important as a mom to know as much as I could for their well being.
[00:01:44]  So that's why I took the test.
[00:01:45]  I love these tests because they give you that background, especially if you can't ask people directly.
[00:01:49]  So, you get the test back, you're all excited.
[00:01:51]  There's some pretty cool information in here.
[00:01:52]  Yes.
[00:01:53]  But there was something on that test that you didn't expect.
[00:01:56]  Yes.
[00:01:57]  What was it?
[00:01:58]  A little tab called DNA matches.
[00:02:01]  And I had no idea when I took the test that it matches you with anyone else that has taken 23andMe if you share any genetic or any DNA with them.
[00:02:13]  And I had 1,200 relatives.
[00:02:17]  But what was the most surprising was at the top of my results, again, I'm an only child, it said half brother.
[00:02:25]  Half brother.
[00:02:27]  Your head was swirling then, I bet.
[00:02:29]  Yeah.
[00:02:29]  So how did you?
[00:02:31]  Make peace with them.
[00:02:31]  If you're an only child, there's some deep implications of having a half brother that you didn't know about.
[00:02:39]  Shocking was an understatement.
[00:02:43]  I can't say it on television, so we'll just say, holy crap, is the first thing that came to my mind when I saw a half brother at the top of the screen.
[00:02:55]  So the first place I went to was I called my uncle on my mother's side and just asked if there was any deep family secrets he wanted to tell me about.
[00:03:04]  And he He said no.
[00:03:06]  And so the next call was to my cousin on my dad's side, and she too had no idea of any unknown sibling out there.
[00:03:15]  But what she did say.
[00:03:17]  So, just because they're either covering up or they know something you don't.
[00:03:22]  And so I know my dad, and he was fantastic, and there's no way that my father fathered another child and wasn't a part of their life.
[00:03:32]  But what she did say at the end of our conversation was, you know.
[00:03:36]  My daughter, your second cousin, also took the test.
[00:03:40]  And when she said that, my heart dropped, and I knew this wasn't good because she was not listed as one of my relatives on the test.
[00:03:51]  So, a first degree blood relative, at least as far as you know, wasn't genetically linked to you at all.
[00:03:58]  No, which is concerning when you match with 1,200 people that the one that you know has taken the test is not in your results.
[00:04:06]  It's like a mystery game.
[00:04:09]  Looking for clues.
[00:04:10]  How do you make peace with that?
[00:04:12]  Well, luckily, this is where social media is quite helpful.
[00:04:17]  I typed in the name that was attached to.
[00:04:23]  Half brother, and I went right to Facebook to see if I could find this person.
[00:04:30]  I knew it right away.
[00:04:32]  Just his profile picture, his smile, I felt it in my gut.
[00:04:37]  It was very hard to explain.
[00:04:39]  But I'm looking over his profile, and we have everything in common our beliefs, our passions, our political viewpoints.
[00:04:48]  We even traveled the same places all over the world.
[00:04:51]  Oh my goodness.
[00:04:52]  We had the same birthday.
[00:04:54]  Four years apart, which was trippy.
[00:04:57]  So I messaged my brother.
[00:04:59]  All right, so this is the note you got back.
[00:05:02]  It said, I'd love to know a little bit about you.
[00:05:05]  My sister and I were donor children.
[00:05:08]  This is what he sends back to you.
[00:05:09]  And I have spent my life not knowing anything about my paternal line.
[00:05:12]  So he actually knew.
[00:05:14]  He knew he was donor conceived, which I have come to accept.
[00:05:18]  So donor children, that word, donor children.
[00:05:21]  What would you all think if someone said donor children to you?
[00:05:23]  And what were you thinking when you read this?
[00:05:24]  You had no idea.
[00:05:26]  Yeah, never in a million years did I expect that was going to be his response.
[00:05:30]  And I was completely shocked.
[00:05:31]  And as soon as I saw those two words, donor conceived, I had a million questions.
[00:05:37]  Was my father the donor?
[00:05:39]  Am I donor conceived?
[00:05:42]  What does this mean for me?
[00:05:43]  Does this mean I have more siblings out there I don't know about?
[00:05:47]  I mean, my brain was going a million miles a minute.
[00:05:56]  Aren't getting along all that well, but she would perhaps have insights into this.
[00:06:00]  So, did you reach out to her?
[00:06:02]  I did.
[00:06:04]  Unfortunately, I didn't get any information.
[00:06:08]  So, it was an emotional time.
[00:06:11]  How'd you cope with realizing?
[00:06:13]  Did the test come back?
[00:06:14]  The test came back, yeah.
[00:06:16]  And?
[00:06:19]  The test that my family came back and it showed that we had no DNA connection.
[00:06:29]  And.
[00:06:32]  To be totally honest with you, I fell to my knees and had a really, really good long cry.
[00:06:45]  I am a huge believer in the beauty of relationships through nature or nurture.
[00:06:51]  And I absolutely believe that they can be just as strong, just as powerful, just as meaningful from either side.
[00:06:58]  And I never for a second did I think that that changed our relationship or our love or our bond.
[00:07:06]  So I'm glad that I already had that instilled in me.
[00:07:11]  However, it was incredibly hard to balance.
[00:07:15]  The devastation of my dad not being biologically mine, but being overjoyed and so excited to have a brother.
[00:07:23]  And so it was a roller coaster.
[00:07:27]  Y'all want to meet Jacqueline's brother?
[00:07:29]  Interested?
[00:07:31]  I thought you might be.
[00:07:31]  When we come back, we're going to meet Jacqueline's surprise half brother, plus the shocking turn in this story that neither of them ever expected.
[00:07:44]  From the buttery spreads a lot of you use.
[00:07:46]  And the brand new butter trending on social media.
[00:07:49]  I recommend avocado butter as a healthy alternative.
[00:07:52]  Is there a better butter?
[00:07:54]  Plus, we're finding out what's really in those skinny teas that are promising to help burn up all those pounds.
[00:08:01]  That's coming up on Monday.
[00:08:09]  We've been talking about the crazy things that people have found out after taking the popular at home DNA test.
[00:08:14]  Jacqueline's innocent inquiry into her ancestry uncovered an over 30 year old paternity secret, including the introduction of a new half brother.
[00:08:24]  Guess what?
[00:08:25]  That half brother is here today.
[00:08:26]  So please welcome Lauren.
[00:08:41]  Laura, it's a real pleasure.
[00:08:42]  Let me just look at you for a second here.
[00:08:44]  I could see it.
[00:08:45]  Absolutely.
[00:08:46]  Yeah.
[00:08:47]  Absolutely.
[00:08:49]  So, Laura, wait, so Jacqueline reaches out to you.
[00:08:51]  You already knew that you were donor conceived.
[00:08:53]  You already knew that there was a donor involved in your conception.
[00:08:58]  That's.
[00:09:00]  But you had another surprise with Jacqueline that I didn't expect, and I suspect no one would.
[00:09:04]  What was it?
[00:09:05]  Yeah.
[00:09:06]  Well, when she reached out to me, I could only imagine what she was going through.
[00:09:12]  So, I wanted to be protective and careful with her and her process, but I was eager to share that we have another half brother.
[00:09:22]  Another donor conceived brother.
[00:09:23]  Correct, yeah.
[00:09:25]  So, I've been in touch with our half brother for quite a while, and he's a great guy, and I wanted to share him with her.
[00:09:32]  Well, it's a growing family because guess what?
[00:09:35]  Tim is also here.
[00:09:36]  Tim, come on out.
[00:09:38]  Come on out.
[00:09:49]  There we go.
[00:09:50]  I mean, you guys are really similar.
[00:09:52]  This is remarkable.
[00:09:53]  I took the beard off, especially.
[00:09:56]  Have a seat with us, Tim.
[00:09:57]  So how did you learn, Tim, that you were related to Lauren?
[00:10:01]  There was a company in 2008, a biomedical research company, that started doing donor-conceived services to match donor-conceived siblings.
[00:10:11]  And I submitted a sample in 2008 and just waited, and I got an email in 2010 saying that I had a half-sibling match.
[00:10:20]  So, Jacqueline, you grew up thinking that you're an only child.
[00:10:22]  Yeah.
[00:10:23]  So, what was it like finding two brothers?
[00:10:25]  It was incredibly exciting for me.
[00:10:27]  But what I didn't expect is when my dad passed away, it left a lot of holes in my heart.
[00:10:32]  And then when I found them and had that genetic connection again, I had no idea it would fill those places for me.
[00:10:42]  I just, I love that there's a deeper connection, even though you didn't share the same home growing up.
[00:10:48]  Lauren, when you first got together, What was that like?
[00:10:51]  When we all got together, it was amazing.
[00:10:54]  It was familiar.
[00:10:57]  Our kids played together like they had known each other their whole lives, like they were cousins.
[00:11:03]  Like they were cousins, right?
[00:11:04]  The height of irony.
[00:11:06]  But guess what?
[00:11:07]  Yeah.
[00:11:07]  And I mean, it's like finding puzzle pieces that have been missing that you didn't know were missing, being a part of something bigger than ourselves.
[00:11:17]  Yeah, it was amazing.
[00:11:18]  Very positive.
[00:11:20]  I understand.
[00:11:21]  Interestingly, thinking about genetics is they're.
[00:11:23]  Behaviors we don't think are potentially genetic.
[00:11:26]  Like you own the same car, right?
[00:11:28]  Yes.
[00:11:28]  All of us.
[00:11:29]  You own the same car.
[00:11:30]  Yeah.
[00:11:30]  You should do a commercial for that car company, whoever it is.
[00:11:32]  We did.
[00:11:33]  It was very odd to see.
[00:11:34]  It just felt like the right car.
[00:11:36]  Yeah.
[00:11:38]  Family van.
[00:11:38]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:11:39]  Now, Tim, you did not know you were donors conceived when you were a child.
[00:11:42]  I didn't.
[00:11:43]  I found out when I was 13.
[00:11:45]  And did you ever wonder if you had more siblings once you understood what that was about?
[00:11:50]  Donor conceived, you all know what that means, right?
[00:11:51]  So the father's donated sperm, a man that you don't know.
[00:11:55]  Has done it, and then the mother will use that sperm with her egg to conceive a child.
[00:12:00]  And it was done, especially 20, 30 years ago, without the man even knowing sometimes.
[00:12:08]  It was done in obstetrics offices because couples were struggling.
[00:12:11]  Right.
[00:12:14]  So I always figured that there was possibly a tremendous number of siblings out there.
[00:12:18]  How many have you found so far?
[00:12:20]  We are up to eight total.
[00:12:21]  So let me ask the tough question.
[00:12:24]  To your biological father.
[00:12:27]  Have you been able to identify who that might be based on these tests?
[00:12:31]  We actually did match with someone, and we were able to figure out that they're a relative of our donor.
[00:12:38]  And we contacted them.
[00:12:42]  We've had nothing but positive contact with her for the most part.
[00:12:58]  We haven't contacted the donor himself yet.
[00:13:01]  But I think it's something we all want to do eventually, if possible.
[00:13:06]  And at the same time, we want to respect his family.
[00:13:09]  And I think it'd be nice to meet someday just to shake his hand and say thank you, not just for my life, but for them, for our families, because without his contribution, none of our experiences would.
[00:13:33]  Would exist.
[00:13:36]  This is for all of you.
[00:13:39]  There are families all over America who live, I'll call them dark secrets, but they're not really dark.
[00:13:44]  They're beautiful secrets in many ways, but there were dark times in people's lives, and there was life that came out of that.
[00:13:51]  So, what do you want folks to understand about your own experience?
[00:13:54]  As shocking as it has been to realize that you're not alone and you've had this forced on you.
[00:14:04]  I just hope that people find the value in being honest about it, supportive, empathetic, no matter which angle they're coming from, whether they're the parents of someone that's donor conceived, they are donor conceived, or even donors.
[00:14:19]  And just understand that we just want to learn about ourselves and our history for the most part.
[00:14:27]  God bless you all.
[00:14:28]  How beautiful that is.
[00:14:29]  I'll text what you need to know about DNA tests before you take one, and if you already have, what you can do now to assure your results, a private If you want that, last the Lord, we'll be right back.
[00:14:49]  This man, Dr. Michael Swango, is believed to have murdered more than 35 patients.
[00:14:54]  He was targeting children.
[00:14:57]  Could you spot a serial killer doctor?
[00:14:59]  All nuance.
[00:15:01]  That's coming up on Tuesday.

=== Protecting Your DNA Privacy (02:45) ===

[00:15:08]  So, before you mail away your DNA to find out more about your ancestry, you're going to want to listen up.
[00:15:12]  Investigative reporter Marcia Vacampo looked into the fine print of these DNA kits, and what she found out may surprise you.
[00:15:19]  Now, the first thing everyone ought to know is that you can opt out of a DNA matching.
[00:15:24]  Yeah, if you're not someone who wants secret relatives finding you, you can keep your DNA private.
[00:15:28]  But keep in mind, it works both ways.
[00:15:30]  If they can't find you, you can't find them either.
[00:15:33]  So, how do you actually make sure that you're not in there, that you're opting out?
[00:15:37]  Yeah, companies have a lot of options for protecting your privacy.
[00:15:40]  Things like, do you want your profile to be public?
[00:15:42]  Can other people contact you directly?
[00:15:44]  So, you really just have to go through your settings because the default setting may not be the right fit for you.
[00:15:50]  In some cases, you have to opt in to something that might interest you.
[00:15:53]  So, make sure you go through your profile.
[00:15:55]  All right.
[00:15:55]  Second is your DNA is not protected by HIPAA laws.
[00:15:59]  Just make sure everyone knows what HIPAA laws are.
[00:16:00]  Yeah.
[00:16:00]  So these are patient privacy protections in this country.
[00:16:03]  Your doctor can't say, talk to other people about your medical history.
[00:16:07]  These companies are not covered by HIPAA laws, which means that they can share the information that they learn about you with third parties.
[00:16:14]  And in some cases, the information may not even be shared in this country.
[00:16:17]  So forget about HIPAA laws.
[00:16:18]  You're not even governed by the laws of the United States.
[00:16:21]  So educate folks about the kind of fallout you might experience.
[00:16:24]  So here's what the big concern is can these companies share the information with Health insurance companies.
[00:16:31]  And then will they use that information to limit your coverage or to refuse you coverage based on your genetic profile, say if you're predisposed to a certain illness?
[00:16:40]  That's why it is so vital to shop around.
[00:16:43]  You have to compare the privacy policies of these different companies.
[00:16:46]  You have to know how they're securing your information, how they're going to use it, are they going to share it?
[00:16:51]  But here's the key you have to do it before you submit your sample because after it's too late.
[00:16:56]  This is worth paying attention to.
[00:16:57]  And finally, this sort of shocked me police can use your DNA.
[00:17:03]  They can request it.
[00:17:03]  I found this to be absolutely shocking as well, and we've already seen it happen.
[00:17:08]  If police are looking to match a sample of DNA that they found at a crime scene, they can request it from these companies.
[00:17:14]  They can also go a step further and get a warrant, which means the companies have to turn it over.
[00:17:19]  Now, you may say, well, who cares?
[00:17:20]  I'm not a criminal, right?
[00:17:21]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:17:22]  They can use this for familial matching too, which means if your family member commits a crime, they can use your DNA sample to identify them as a suspect.
[00:17:31]  It's kind of scary stuff.
[00:17:32]  So, I mean, how do you keep that safe?
[00:17:33]  That they can actually subpoena it?
[00:17:35]  Get a warrant to get the data.
[00:17:36]  Well, in this case, if your information is subpoenaed, then the company has to turn it over and law enforcement can use it in their case.
[00:17:43]  So there's no way of opting out on this.
[00:17:45]  You can look through the privacy policies and you can see, but good luck fighting a court order.
[00:17:49]  All right.
[00:17:49]  So is there a way to keeping your information in a way that makes us all feel safer?

=== Police Access to Samples (07:28) ===

[00:17:54]  Yeah.
[00:17:54]  So you have to be really diligent about checking the privacy policies and about your particular profile, making your choices.
[00:18:01]  And if you do feel like a company is not living up to their claims, report them to the FTC.
[00:18:06]  Because they can investigate and they can even file a lawsuit on your behalf if necessary.
[00:18:11]  All right, so I'm going to give you my final thoughts here.
[00:18:12]  I'm hoping you're all moved by this segment.
[00:18:14]  You realize the power of these tools.
[00:18:15]  But I like arming people with what they need to know so they can keep their information secret.
[00:18:20]  So, what you just taught us is hugely valuable.
[00:18:22]  Know what you can keep private so you're not scared off of getting DNA tests.
[00:18:25]  Because personally, this is vital information about your genetic makeup.
[00:18:29]  I think it trumps the risks of privacy.
[00:18:31]  So, in my opinion, get tested.
[00:18:32]  But if you're worried about some of this stuff, just check the boxes.
[00:18:35]  You can still get the rest of the goodies and use it to make yourself a little healthier.
[00:18:38]  We'll be right back.
[00:18:43]  From the buttery spreads a lot of you use, and the brand new butter trending on social media, I recommend avocado butter as a healthy alternative.
[00:18:51]  Is there a better butter?
[00:18:53]  Plus, we're finding out what's really in those skinny teas that are promising to burn up all those pounds.
[00:19:00]  That's coming up on Monday.
[00:19:08]  So, you got the microwave, you got the zoodle maker, and of course, the smartphone, which you all are addicted to, and maybe the best of all, the tissues we use to blow our nose.
[00:19:26]  Excuse me.
[00:19:28]  These things all have two things in common.
[00:19:30]  All these items do.
[00:19:31]  They improve our lives every day, and they were all ideas someone came up with after having an aha moment.
[00:19:37]  So, if you thought you'd ever say to yourself, why didn't I come up with that?
[00:19:42]  Which you can say for any of these, then today's show is for you because I am on a quest for a big health idea.
[00:19:48]  In fact, the biggest health ideas of them all, along with my trusted sponsorship partner, USADA Health Sciences, who is a leader in health and innovation.
[00:19:57]  Take a look at the ideas already pouring in from everybody at home, just like you.
[00:20:03]  We scoured the country on a quest for the biggest new health idea.
[00:20:08]  I called on the nation's best and brightest inventors who saw something missing from the market.
[00:20:13]  And decided to take matters into their own hands.
[00:20:17]  I am the CEO, founder, and momiepreneur of Dairy Go Baby Brain Organics.
[00:20:22]  NAS, a non dairy vegan pudding company.
[00:20:26]  I poured over the entries, keeping in mind the parameters of our competition.
[00:20:31]  To win the title of our big health idea, the invention has to be unique.
[00:20:35]  Morning recovery is a solution for your next morning after a night out of drinking.
[00:20:39]  Affordable.
[00:20:40]  It'll take your razor, it'll make it last three to five times longer.
[00:20:43]  So, this is going to save you money.
[00:20:45]  And above all, Provide users with a healthy perk that improves their lives.
[00:20:49]  To alter unhealthy foods and make them healthier.
[00:20:53]  We got hundreds of submissions and hundreds of revolutionary products.
[00:20:58]  Let's see which of them has what it takes to be our big health idea.
[00:21:05]  I love big ideas.
[00:21:06]  Let's meet the judges who will decide.
[00:21:09]  First, we've got USANA Judge Dr. Robert Sennett.
[00:21:12]  Thank you for being here.
[00:21:13]  Oh, my pleasure.
[00:21:14]  Thank you.
[00:21:14]  So, why was it important for USANA to be part of this competition?
[00:21:17]  Help judge this with us.
[00:21:19]  Oh, we're always looking for big health ideas.
[00:21:21]  I mean, USANA is all about health innovation and wellness, and we scour the world constantly looking for the greatest new ideas to help improve people's lives, increase their lifespan.
[00:21:32]  So, this was a natural fit for us.
[00:21:34]  So, one of USANA's biggest innovations is Incelligence.
[00:21:37]  So, please explain that to everybody.
[00:21:39]  Okay, Incelligence is a brand new generation of nutritional technology.
[00:21:43]  So, back in the day, you had vitamins, minerals, antioxidants, and then phytochemicals came along.
[00:21:49]  What Incelligence does is tie that all together and signal your cells to Renew themselves.
[00:21:54]  So, this is really just a brand new thing that USANA developed and perfected.
[00:21:59]  So, intelligence works differently in me than it would work in you, even though it's the same compounds.
[00:22:05]  And so, that's really the core of personalized nutrition.
[00:22:09]  So, just want to clear on this instead of you throwing all the things at my cells that you think my cells need, you get my cells to do what it should be doing anyway to protect itself, to turn on mechanisms.
[00:22:19]  That's a great way of saying it.
[00:22:20]  That's exactly what we're doing.
[00:22:21]  We're giving them all the nutrition they need and then letting them do what they do best, which is repair themselves.
[00:22:27]  Sounds good to me.
[00:22:28]  All right, now this is going to be two of us judging, right?
[00:22:31]  We have a surprise judge, a third judge, a real authority.
[00:22:34]  She is, well, she's a fantastic friend.
[00:22:36]  She's known all to you because she's the star of Shark Tank, Barbara Corcoran.
[00:22:53]  Thank you.
[00:22:53]  I love having you here.
[00:22:54]  Nice to see you.
[00:22:55]  Nice to meet you.
[00:22:56]  I have so much respect for you.
[00:22:58]  All the sharks are good at this, but you're specifically talented.
[00:23:01]  Oh, you say that to everybody.
[00:23:02]  It's true.
[00:23:03]  Come on.
[00:23:03]  I never say that to Kevin.
[00:23:07]  So, the thing about ideas is, so many folks are out there looking for that million dollar idea, and it generates a million dollar question, which is what makes an idea great?
[00:23:18]  So, when you hear all these pitches coming at you, how do you turn one on?
[00:23:21]  You know what turns me on?
[00:23:22]  It's never the idea, it's the entrepreneur behind it.
[00:23:25]  If you get even a Mediocre idea, if you could think of a new way of executing it, you can have a winner on your hands.
[00:23:31]  So, for example, you might be starting a pizzeria or have a technology company, but you have to find a different way of delivering a little twist on it and put a good entrepreneur behind that, and that thing is going to sell a hundred times over.
[00:23:43]  So, help me understand what makes a great entrepreneur.
[00:23:45]  What makes someone a really special inventor?
[00:23:48]  A special inventor has a really creative soul.
[00:23:50]  They're anxious to see what's around the corner, and that helps to drive them.
[00:23:54]  But much more important than that is they also have a back of steel.
[00:23:58]  When they get a hit, Are taken in the chin.
[00:24:01]  They have a way of getting back up without blaming the next guy or feeling sorry for himself.
[00:24:05]  And that's always the entrepreneur that I put my money on because no matter what they're selling, it winds up great.
[00:24:10]  All right, you're sitting up there with the other sharks, you're trying to bid, and then a product comes out.
[00:24:16]  So, how do you know which product?
[00:24:17]  What are you looking for?
[00:24:18]  It's pretty much common sense.
[00:24:20]  I want to see if it looks good, smells good, tastes good, whatever the product is.
[00:24:25]  But after that, I really want to find out if the entrepreneur actually took the product.
[00:24:29]  Figured out what it costs, multiplied it times three, because that's the margins you need to make a profit.
[00:24:35]  And if they actually had the common sense to get out in the street and see if they could convince some suckers to buy the thing.
[00:24:41]  Most people go and spend tons of money without even testing does it sell?
[00:24:45]  And that's the most important step in my thinking.
[00:24:48]  What's the hardest question that an entrepreneur has to be able to answer to get past you?
[00:24:54]  The same question I'm always driving at in different ways is what hardship have you had in your life that you got over?
[00:25:01]  Because I've learned that I lose my money on the entrepreneurs that didn't have hardship or folded on them.
[00:25:07]  Whereas, if I could get a guy telling me he's got a hole in his gut, I know it sounds weird, but all these hardships give people a fervor to come back to prove something.
[00:25:15]  So, if I could get to the fact that that person has something to prove, I know they're going to win because they've got a lot more in the game.

=== Hustle Overcomes Hardship (08:09) ===

[00:25:22]  Oh, I love that.
[00:25:23]  All right.
[00:25:23]  So, my team is going to select three finalists.
[00:25:26]  That's right, from all the submissions out there, we're working hard on this.
[00:25:29]  There will be three finalists who are going to come right here in New York City and they're going to present their idea on my show, on this stage.
[00:25:36]  Next to the judges, and their ideas are going to be judged on their originality as well as their relevance and usefulness to the health and wellness of the Dr. Oz community, which is pretty much all of us.
[00:25:45]  So I hope to see you standing right here next to me when we come back because it's going to be only in a few weeks.
[00:25:51]  You ready for this?
[00:25:51]  I'm ready.
[00:25:53]  All right, we'll be right back.
[00:25:57]  Coming up, Tyra Banks is revealing her secrets to looking great and staying fierce.
[00:26:01]  Do you think I'm fierce?
[00:26:03]  Well, you will be, but you guys got to stick around.
[00:26:06]  You heard her.
[00:26:16]  She's graced the cover of hundreds of magazines and stomped fashion runways around the world with her signature strut.
[00:26:24]  Famously took on body shamers and is encouraging a whole new generation of spisers on America's next top model.
[00:26:32]  Now she's a mom herself, and Tyra Banks is revealing her own secrets to beauty, anti aging, and all around fierceness passed down through generations of women in her own family.
[00:26:41]  Please welcome my friend, Tyra Banks.
[00:27:00]  Oh my.
[00:27:01]  Hi, everyone.
[00:27:02]  They're happy to see you.
[00:27:03]  Are they happy?
[00:27:05]  I'm happy to be here.
[00:27:05]  Hi, everybody.
[00:27:08]  Before I get into all this, I want to know am I fierce?
[00:27:12]  Are you fierce?
[00:27:13]  Do I have the swagger?
[00:27:14]  Do I have what it takes?
[00:27:15]  You do.
[00:27:16]  And you actually have the bone structure.
[00:27:17]  You have this very strong jaw.
[00:27:20]  Very fierce male model jaw.
[00:27:23]  A fierce male model jaw.
[00:27:24]  I actually have a fierce male model jaw.
[00:27:26]  I might have to teach you to smise later.
[00:27:28]  Oh.
[00:27:30]  You know, I got a little secret on smise coming up.
[00:27:32]  We'll talk about that.
[00:27:32]  You have a secret on smise?
[00:27:33]  Yes.
[00:27:34]  I'm going to say that.
[00:27:36]  I've looked into the science of smising.
[00:27:38]  Oh, there's a science to it?
[00:27:39]  Yes, yes.
[00:27:40]  You'll be so happy when I'm done.
[00:27:42]  I want to talk about you first.
[00:27:43]  So, model, entrepreneur, TV host, you've done it all.
[00:27:49]  And what's amazing, now a mom, I want to understand, you know, a Harvard grad, but you came out of Compton, California.
[00:27:55]  What gave you the drive?
[00:27:56]  Englewood.
[00:27:57]  Englewood.
[00:27:58]  Up to no good.
[00:27:58]  Up to no good in Englewood.
[00:28:00]  Close to Compton.
[00:28:00]  It is.
[00:28:01]  It's like a cousin.
[00:28:02]  Yes.
[00:28:03]  My drive, you know, my drive comes from my mama.
[00:28:05]  My mom was a hustler, two jobs, three jobs making it happen.
[00:28:10]  And so I learned that, and now I am that person that is going for my goals and encouraging women and men everywhere like she encouraged me as a little girl.
[00:28:19]  God bless her, and you too.
[00:28:21]  Thank you.
[00:28:22]  So you've overcome so many barriers, but there are some biologic realities that can sometimes hold us back.
[00:28:26]  Yes.
[00:28:27]  I know you wanted to have a child.
[00:28:28]  Yes.
[00:28:29]  You went through IVF, you were public about it.
[00:28:31]  Yeah, very public about it.
[00:28:32]  What happened?
[00:28:33]  So I wanted a baby for so long, probably since I was 24 years old.
[00:28:37]  But I would always, every year, I would say, I'm gonna have a baby in three years.
[00:28:41]  I'm gonna have, and then the next year, I'm gonna have a baby in three years.
[00:28:43]  Cut to being 40 years old.
[00:28:45]  I'm gonna have a baby right now.
[00:28:48]  And it wasn't easy.
[00:28:50]  And I just was like, I'm not sure if this is gonna happen.
[00:28:53]  And finally, I was on the set of America's Next Top Model, never forget.
[00:28:57]  And, and, we had a fashion show, and the whole audience, just like you guys, are waiting and waiting and waiting and not understanding why the show wasn't starting.
[00:29:08]  I was in the back.
[00:29:09]  Waiting for the time to do my final shot before surgery the next day.
[00:29:15]  You have to do this final shot thing and that was my son.
[00:29:19]  That was your boy.
[00:29:20]  That was my boy.
[00:29:22]  So, Little York is 27 months old.
[00:29:25]  Little York is, yes.
[00:29:26]  27 months old.
[00:29:27]  Very good.
[00:29:27]  I was doing the math.
[00:29:28]  So, how's that change your life having a baby?
[00:29:30]  I mean, as beautiful as they are, they do influence what you do.
[00:29:34]  Yes, he is.
[00:29:35]  I mean, I, yeah, sometimes I'm like, okay, am I going to brush my teeth, shower?
[00:29:40]  Okay.
[00:29:41]  I'm going to shower, but I don't have time to put on lotion because he's like, Mommy, now, Mommy, Mommy, Mommy, Mommy.
[00:29:46]  You know, and my mom and I are together so much that he calls us Mama Nana or Nana Mama.
[00:29:51]  Oh.
[00:29:52]  Yeah.
[00:29:52]  You've merged into one.
[00:29:53]  You've merged.
[00:29:53]  Mama Nana, I'm hungry.
[00:29:55]  Nana Mama, I want to go to the store.
[00:29:57]  Mama Nana, I want ice cream.
[00:29:59]  Mama Nana, I want to throw you.
[00:30:01]  And he gets everything he asks for, I'm sure, from women.
[00:30:03]  From his grandmother, he does, not from.
[00:30:05]  So his grandmother let his mother become a model.
[00:30:08]  Will his mother allow him to be a model?
[00:30:10]  Oh, my God.
[00:30:11]  You're a rapper.
[00:30:13]  Right?
[00:30:14]  His grandmama let his mama be a model, but his mama let his son be a model.
[00:30:17]  Like, oh my gosh.
[00:30:18]  I'm gonna work on it.
[00:30:22]  You know, everybody asks me that.
[00:30:25]  Gosh, I would let him if he wanted to, but it would have to be like after 16, 17 years old.
[00:30:30]  Let him grow up a little bit.
[00:30:31]  And I wanted to be a baby model.
[00:30:32]  No.
[00:30:33]  No.
[00:30:33]  Can we talk about the Me Too movement?
[00:30:35]  Yes.
[00:30:35]  You okay with that?
[00:30:36]  Yes.
[00:30:36]  So you're in a business which has been relatively spared, surprisingly.
[00:30:40]  Paul Marciano from Guest Genes is being accused by Kate Upton.
[00:30:44]  Yes.
[00:30:45]  Do you think it's long overdue that there are some realities being exposed?
[00:30:51]  Yeah.
[00:30:52]  I don't know, of course, the specifics.
[00:30:53]  I wasn't there with the Paul and Kate thing, but I mean, Kate's my sister in modeling, and I'm like so behind her.
[00:31:00]  But I, in my industry, growing up, it was just normal.
[00:31:06]  Like, ooh, don't go in a closed room with that photographer, and oh, and this designer, and this.
[00:31:12]  And you just, it was just a normal thing.
[00:31:14]  And so it's so nice to say, no, this is not normal.
[00:31:18]  While it was normalized in my industry, this is wrong.
[00:31:21]  And I happen to be very lucky.
[00:31:24]  I don't know what it is, Dr. Oz, but I never experienced anything.
[00:31:28]  But at the same time, I remember being a young model in Paris, going to what we call a ghosty, which is like an audition at a photographer's house, which is very normal in the modeling industry.
[00:31:38]  He looks at my portfolio and he's like, Thank you, Tyra.
[00:31:40]  And then, same hour, one of my friends goes and she's like, He dropped his pants.
[00:31:44]  And it's just like, you know, and my friend is not giving him eyes or doing anything.
[00:31:48]  I just think I was very lucky.
[00:31:49]  Like, there were these sliding doors, and I was just very lucky to not.
[00:31:52]  Be a victim of this, but it doesn't mean that it's not prevalent.
[00:31:55]  It's very prevalent, and I'm glad things are getting done now.
[00:31:58]  It's fascinating to me because I think it's a slippery slope.
[00:32:01]  You start to tolerate things that you know aren't right, but who wants to make a big stink about it?
[00:32:05]  All right, so you have this beautiful book, Perfect is Boring 10 Things My Crazy, Fierce Mama Taught Me About Beauty, Booty, and Being a Boss.
[00:32:14]  How influential has mom been in your life?
[00:32:16]  My mom has been everything to me.
[00:32:20]  And the interesting thing, Dr. Oz, is I can tell her.
[00:32:24]  Anything, 90% at least.
[00:32:25]  90%.
[00:32:26]  90%.
[00:32:27]  Don't you all wish you could meet her mom?
[00:32:28]  Yay!
[00:32:30]  Well, guess what?
[00:32:31]  She is backstage, wave to mama, hearing everything you say.
[00:32:35]  When we come back, Tyra's mama, Miss Carolyn, shares her advice and reveals what Tyra Banks would like as a child.
[00:32:41]  We'll talk about the other 10% you haven't gotten to yet.
[00:32:43]  You won't want to miss this.
[00:32:48]  From the buttery spreads a lot of you use and the brand new butter trending on social media, I recommend avocado butter as a healthy alternative.
[00:32:56]  Is there a better butter?
[00:32:58]  Plus, we're finding out what's really in those skinny teas.
[00:33:01]  They're promising to help burn up all those pounds.
[00:33:05]  That's coming up on Monday.
[00:33:12]  We're back with Tyra Banks and her beautiful mom, Carolyn.
[00:33:15]  They have teamed up to co write a book.
[00:33:17]  You gotta give her applause.
[00:33:18]  That's where the jeans came from.
[00:33:19]  The book's called Perfect is Boring, and it's filled with amazing advice on beauty and how to get through life like a boss.
[00:33:26]  But I gotta get back into Tyra a little bit here, Carolyn, because you obviously play such an incredible role making this beautiful woman who she is.

=== Loving Yourself Beyond Beauty (07:44) ===

[00:33:32]  But I wanna understand how she felt about herself when she was young.
[00:33:35]  What was she most insecure about?
[00:33:38]  She was most insecure about her weight.
[00:33:41]  She had a huge growth spurt.
[00:33:44]  In her early teens.
[00:33:46]  She was just skinny and very tall.
[00:33:49]  It's interesting because I've looked at pictures of you and I've always, and I think an average person will look at you and say, beautiful, beautiful, beautiful at every age, but yet you had a nose job.
[00:33:58]  Yes.
[00:33:58]  Actually, we're going to get to you.
[00:34:00]  What was the reason?
[00:34:01]  Did you.
[00:34:02]  Yeah, let me explain because I have some serious guilt.
[00:34:06]  Tara was about three years old and she was running down our driveway and fell flat on her face.
[00:34:13]  I mean, flat.
[00:34:15]  And scooped her up.
[00:34:17]  Checked it out.
[00:34:18]  There was a little bleeding, some swelling, and I got a little ice pack and put it on there.
[00:34:23]  And she stopped crying, and so I figured everything was okay.
[00:34:26]  Fast forward 15 years, I start like scratching my nose all the time, Dr. Oz.
[00:34:32]  And I had started modeling, and there was a well known makeup artist with a British accent.
[00:34:38]  And she's like, Tyra, I've got to say, I've been doing your face for like a year and a half.
[00:34:42]  And your nose, it's like alive.
[00:34:46]  It's like getting bigger and bigger, but on the sides here.
[00:34:48]  And then I feel these shards of bone sticking out.
[00:34:51]  It's like going to cut me through your skin.
[00:34:53]  Oh my God.
[00:34:54]  And she's like, I don't know what's up, but it's weird.
[00:34:57]  And here's a doctor.
[00:34:57]  You should have him look at it.
[00:34:58]  So we go to this doctor.
[00:35:00]  The accent is really impressive, by the way.
[00:35:02]  I'm not clear.
[00:35:02]  That is really impressive.
[00:35:05]  So we go to the doctor that she told us to go to, very famous doctor.
[00:35:09]  And he looks at my nose, and my mom's in the room, and he, I'll never forget, he said, Miss Carolyn, your daughter's nose is a mangled mess.
[00:35:17]  A mangled mess.
[00:35:18]  It has been broken at some time in her life, and it is healed, but it's growing sideways.
[00:35:23]  And she can't breathe, and I'm gonna do reconstructive surgery and I'm gonna make her nose look like this.
[00:35:30]  Dr. Oz, it was your people's nose.
[00:35:33]  It was very caucasoid.
[00:35:34]  Caucasoid nose.
[00:35:36]  And I felt like I could breathe.
[00:35:38]  So I'm like, first of all, I'm an African American girl, you know, and that doesn't look like a natural nose to me, and I can breathe.
[00:35:46]  And so we got scared of him and we just like left him with it.
[00:35:49]  So we go to another doctor that we have heard specializes in ethnic features.
[00:35:55]  So he says, I can fix it, but I can keep you looking black.
[00:36:00]  And so my mom and I were like, okay, so we fixed it.
[00:36:04]  So it was kind of like medical, cosmetic, and it's so funny, all the press is like, Tyra admits her nose job.
[00:36:09]  I'm like, I thought it was kind of obvious.
[00:36:10]  Like, I started modeling, y'all saw it before.
[00:36:12]  I know.
[00:36:12]  It's like a big deal.
[00:36:13]  It's like a big deal.
[00:36:14]  It's everywhere.
[00:36:15]  But I also feel like kind of a duty to talk to girls, especially on Instagram now, with it making them feel so insecure.
[00:36:22]  I'm like, y'all, I fell on my nose and say, yeah, I'll fix my nose.
[00:36:25]  And if you want to do that, there's nothing wrong with that.
[00:36:28]  You know, it's like first, it's about having a healthy sense of self, but it's okay to do these little things.
[00:36:34]  But I just wish more people in Hollywood would be more open about it because I know so many girls and supermodels and actresses and stuff that done stuff and they're like, oh my God, I did nothing.
[00:36:41]  And I'm like, girl, please.
[00:36:41]  You know, please.
[00:36:45]  I get worried as a physician when women subject their bodies to mutilation.
[00:36:51]  Yeah, the dysmorphia and taking it so far and so crazy.
[00:36:55]  There's so many negatives to it, but I still feel like on the healthy side of it, if you want to do something, I don't think you need to apologize for that.
[00:37:05]  I haven't done Botox and AIDS stuff.
[00:37:06]  My friends have.
[00:37:07]  I'm like, go at it, girl.
[00:37:09]  I want to see your forehead move.
[00:37:10]  It's perfect.
[00:37:11]  Yeah, I haven't done Botox.
[00:37:12]  I know, I like it.
[00:37:13]  But I do have my first wrinkle right here.
[00:37:15]  Do you see it?
[00:37:16]  That's not a wrinkle.
[00:37:17]  No, it's right there.
[00:37:18]  Let me see.
[00:37:19]  Oh, God.
[00:37:20]  That's the way.
[00:37:23]  Oh, my goodness.
[00:37:23]  You need a microscope to see that.
[00:37:25]  That's my first one.
[00:37:26]  I pressed the button.
[00:37:26]  And you know what's so funny when I was a young model?
[00:37:29]  Remember, I used to say, Mama, I want cheekbones like Christy Turlington, Christy Turlington Supermodel.
[00:37:33]  She had the best cheekbones.
[00:37:34]  My mom was like, Girl, wait 20 years.
[00:37:36]  They're going to pop out when you start getting older.
[00:37:39]  I got cheekbones now.
[00:37:40]  Natural.
[00:37:41]  When you get older, it happens.
[00:37:43]  All right, so baby fat melts.
[00:37:46]  Yeah, you have so much good advice, Carol.
[00:37:47]  You're obviously able to pass it along, but I want to get someone's advice from you.
[00:37:50]  So, what we did was you know, she's since you've taught each other everything and you're still teaching each other, I want to get some fierce advice for some folks who need help.
[00:37:57]  So, I want you to take a look at a viewer who's got a dilemma about her body image to what Ty was speaking to.
[00:38:02]  Very emotional.
[00:38:03]  When I look in the mirror, I feel like I look sloppy, I don't like my shape at all, and now I'm just feeling super depressed when I walk around the house.
[00:38:16]  My 10 year old, she reminds me, you're fluffy, mom.
[00:38:21]  You're fluffy.
[00:38:23]  And I laugh and we laugh, but that's not what I want.
[00:38:31]  And I just want to look in the mirror and love what I see.
[00:38:34]  It's for me.
[00:38:35]  It's not for my husband.
[00:38:37]  It's not for my mom.
[00:38:38]  It's not for my children.
[00:38:39]  It's for me.
[00:38:41]  I'm just hoping that there's a way out for me and that I'll love my body again and I'll love what I see when I look back in the mirror.
[00:38:53]  First of all, I want to thank you for being so honest about something that a lot of us think about but don't acknowledge.
[00:39:00]  So, Karen, what's your advice for Sarah?
[00:39:01]  Can I come over there?
[00:39:02]  Please, here.
[00:39:03]  I'm going to hold your hand.
[00:39:04]  Thank you, Sarah.
[00:39:14]  You say you don't like what you see in the mirror.
[00:39:19]  What are you using as a yardstick to measure what you look like?
[00:39:25]  My mirror, and just, well, to be honest, looking at other people and how nice they look in their clothes.
[00:39:34]  Each one of us is unique in the way that we look.
[00:39:40]  The yardstick that we use doesn't fit everyone.
[00:39:45]  What you should be measuring your beauty and your confidence in is your own yardstick.
[00:39:53]  Do you understand?
[00:39:53]  Yes, yes.
[00:39:55]  So the next time you look in that mirror, throw that hair back.
[00:39:58]  Ooh, girl!
[00:40:01]  Turn your behind around, stick that leg out, and hold it.
[00:40:07]  And hold it.
[00:40:08]  Teach everybody the techniques that actually can work to help Sarah deal with the self love issue.
[00:40:12]  Yes.
[00:40:13]  All right.
[00:40:14]  So you have to find what you love about yourself.
[00:40:16]  Look in that mirror, as my mama said, and find.
[00:40:19]  One thing.
[00:40:20]  I already looked at your pictures earlier.
[00:40:22]  Gorgeous eyes.
[00:40:22]  They sparkle on their own.
[00:40:25]  And I see something else.
[00:40:26]  I see a smile that is just absolutely gorgeous.
[00:40:33]  I also see something else.
[00:40:34]  Dr. Oz, turn your head.
[00:40:42]  I wasn't going to say anything.
[00:40:49]  You've got the movies of life, honey.
[00:40:51]  And you need to push them up more, like even more.
[00:40:54]  Like, you need to, like, this.
[00:40:59]  But people need to see the full feet of this.
[00:41:02]  That is gorgeous.
[00:41:03]  All right.
[00:41:04]  How about the white block?
[00:41:06]  On that note, we'll be right back.

=== Mastering The Smize (01:25) ===

[00:41:16]  This man, Dr. Michael Swango, is believed to have murdered more than 35 patients.
[00:41:22]  He was targeting children.
[00:41:24]  Could you spot a serial killer doctor?
[00:41:26]  All nuance.
[00:41:28]  That's coming up on Tuesday.
[00:41:35]  We are back with Tyra Banks and we're going to take a look at the science behind one of her most famous tips smizing.
[00:41:42]  Please remind everybody what smizing is.
[00:41:44]  I will.
[00:41:45]  Okay, where should I look?
[00:41:45]  Here.
[00:41:45]  Right there.
[00:41:46]  Here.
[00:41:46]  Okay, so this is not smizing, it's just dead.
[00:41:50]  And this is smizing, smiling with your eyes.
[00:41:53]  Ooh, ooh.
[00:41:57]  Let me try that.
[00:41:57]  Let me try that.
[00:41:58]  Okay, not smizing, dead, dead face first.
[00:42:02]  Okay, and then smize, Dr. Oz.
[00:42:05]  Ooh, ooh, sexy.
[00:42:06]  Ooh, ooh.
[00:42:08]  Here's the thing.
[00:42:11]  So when you're able to share happiness and love with someone, it moves.
[00:42:13]  So we've made you an emoji pillow.
[00:42:16]  There is no emoji for smizing.
[00:42:18]  There is not.
[00:42:19]  We thought this might work, Mom.
[00:42:20]  What do you think?
[00:42:21]  I love it.
[00:42:22]  You're in?
[00:42:22]  Yeah, I'm in.
[00:42:23]  All right, so there's your smiling pillow.
[00:42:26]  I want to thank you both for being here.
[00:42:28]  Everyone, perfect is boring, is the perfect book for you all to buy.
[00:42:31]  All right, but when a mom and a daughter get together, there's real power there.
[00:42:35]  There's wonderful advice.
[00:42:36]  Get one for yourself, give it to your friends, share it.
[00:42:40]  Remember, everybody, happy and healthy, it starts at home.