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Fatal Jealousy: A Wife's Rage Targets Her Husband's Lover | Dr. Oz | S11 | Ep 122 | Full Episode
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A jealous wife chases down her husband's lover.
I felt so betrayed.
And someone ends up dead.
What did he say?
That he was so sorry.
Plus...
How many procedures did he end up performing on you?
About six procedures on me.
I was only the impression that he would just be removing cancer cells.
I didn't know that he had cut half of my cervix off.
This guy isn't who I think he is.
Coming up next.
Season 11 starts now.
Imagine learning your husband of over 30 years was having an affair, being sent thousands of taunting messages by his mistress, and then suddenly spotting her driving your family's car.
How would you react?
Well, Frances Hall found herself in that exact scenario.
And what she did next led to the death of her husband, Bill.
Landed her in prison and tore her family apart.
Take a look.
Bill and Frances Hall were high school sweethearts.
They wed at age 18 and had two children, Nikki and Justin.
They built a multi-million dollar empire, Bill Hall Jr. Trucking Inc.
in San Antonio, Texas.
After 30 years of marriage, Frances' world was rocked when she received a call from a woman who told her she had been Bill's girlfriend for the past three years.
Bonnie Contreras was a 28-year-old former exotic dancer who says she met Bill when she was selling chicken on a stick at a spinach festival.
According to Francis, Bonnie began sending her thousands of taunting texts, images, and even sexual videos of Bill.
On October 10, 2013, after weeks of harassment, Frances was driving a black Escalade when she saw Bill on his Harley Davidson motorcycle, followed by Bonnie driving the Hall family's Range Rover.
Francis snapped, pulled a U-turn, and started chasing Bonnie.
I got a black Escalade and a black Range Rover driving on the...
passing people on the wrong side of the road.
Bill ended up riding next to Francis, and his motorcycle made contact with Francis' Escalade.
I just saw an Escalade side swipe motorcycle in the Man-East medical inspection immediately.
Frances lost track of Bonnie, but they both ended up back where Bill was lying on the side of the road.
53-year-old Frances was arrested and in police custody when Bill died at the hospital later that night.
A high-profile trial followed, and on September 8, 2016, jurors found Frances guilty of aggravated assault and murder.
She faced 5 to 99 years or life in prison.
After Frances' conviction, the jury decided she acted out of sudden passion, and she's only sentenced to two years in prison.
She's now a free woman, and she joins us exclusively today.
Thank you for coming.
I know this is hard to talk about, but there's a lot of wisdom in what's gone through your mind, so I want to share with the audience.
How did you first find out that your husband was having an affair?
It was September 13, 2013. I went to go visit my dying grandmother and I got a phone call from her around 1 o'clock in the afternoon.
Her being Bonnie the mistress?
Yes.
And what did she say?
She said, I need to talk to you about your husband.
I've been having an affair with him and we need to get together.
When Frances' husband admitted the affair, he told her that his mistress, Bonnie, had actually been following them around for a while, which is a bit eerie.
Yes.
Where did Bill say she had followed you?
She followed me taking my...
my granddaughter to dance class.
And she'd send pictures of me getting off with my granddaughter.
And what was she doing with the pictures she was taking?
She just bombarded me with them.
Pics and a video or two.
Video of what?
They were being intimate.
I'm sorry.
Oh, it's okay.
On the day this event occurred, which I'm going to come to in a second, had you decided to take your husband back or to divorce him?
No.
My intentions were never to divorce Bill.
I love this man.
I've been with this man since I was 16 years old.
The love of my life.
The man I'm supposed to grow old with.
So you were gonna forgive him?
Definitely.
When you love somebody unconditionally, through good, through bad, I'm gonna be there with him.
So, less than a month after Frances learned about Bill's affair, she was driving when she spotted him on his motorcycle and then saw his mistress, Bonnie, falling closely behind in one of the family's vehicles.
So while you're thinking of taking him back, you're now surprised passing them on the highway with both of them in vehicles obviously traveling together.
What went through your mind when you saw Bonnie driving your family car?
I literally pulled over and I said, oh dear Lord, please.
I'm gonna confront this girl.
I'm done.
Had you met her face to face?
Never.
So what compelled you to turn the car around and start chasing them?
My anger.
I was so frustrated.
I wanted to confront her.
I wanted her to leave me alone.
I wanted her to leave my kids alone and just leave us alone.
So walk me through what happens.
You pull the car back out, it's one road.
I pull the car to the shoulder, and I make the worst choice of my life, the baddest choice of my life, and I turn around.
And I start chasing her and she starts breaking and I get close to her and I'm telling her to pull over and she starts breaking on me.
And I noticed up ahead of me, Bill's already starting to pull over on the shoulder.
And you have to understand the roads that we live, they're country roads.
And it's a narrow shoulder road.
It's got a little bit of gravel.
And I see him ahead.
While she's still braking, I see that the bike's moving over.
So in my mind, he's pulling over.
And she's still braking on me.
And as I get to passing Bill on the shoulder, you know, it's a motorcycle.
You just can't pull over and stop.
I get in there and I see him...
She's in front of me, and I'm coming this way, and I see Bill on the shoulder, and I look over, and I saw him.
And as I turned back around, she just braked.
And I lost control.
I jerked.
I mean, I have a SUV. So it jerked.
It turned.
And I heard something, but I thought it was, with all the commotion, my purse flew to the front.
I had a 125-pound piece of granite in the back of the SUV, never thinking, and she took off, and I kept on.
It took me a while to kind of catch up to her.
The chase between Bonnie and Frances continued, and Frances eventually lost track of Bonnie.
Only after the chase was Bonnie notified that that bump had been her husband.
He'd been in an accident.
Right.
You get back to the scene of the crash, and what do you find?
I saw the sheriffs.
I saw a bunch of people, and I was like, what is going on?
And as I parked my car, I left the keys in there in my purse.
I just parked it, got off, and ran straight to him.
As a matter of fact, one of the sheriffs grabbed me, and I kind of yanked him back.
And I could see Bill laying, because I could see him, and I ran straight to him.
And he was laying on the floor.
My sister had his head in between her thighs, trying to keep him still.
He was talking.
he was alert what did he say what did he say that he was so sorry that he couldn't breathe.
He kept yanking the face mask off of him.
I was kind of like in shock.
What is going on?
And he kept telling me, Vieja, I can't breathe.
When did they arrest you?
Erlef gets there and I begged him if I could go with him and they said no.
They take off and my intention was to get in my car and go straight to the hospital.
And the officer asked me, from what I understand, I think she was already there.
So Bonnie tells the police you're responsible.
That I had ran over my husband and that I had hit him head on and he flew up in the air and that I had caused this accident and the sheriff standing there and they knew who I was.
My sister standing there with me and I tell the sheriff, the sheriff asked me, who are you?
And I didn't say anything.
And by then, my sister's looking at me like...
And I just turned around and I told my sister, it's okay.
And I told him, I'm his wife.
And he told me, turn around.
And he handcuffed me and put me in the back of a car.
Coming up, Frances opens up about prison for the very first time.
Plus, her daughter Nikki is here revealing what she really thinks about what happened.
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In 2016, Frances Hall was convicted of murder and aggravated assault after a high-speed chase with her husband, Bill, and his mistress, Bonnie, ended in Bill's death.
Frances served two years in prison, but she's with us today.
We're also joined by Frances and Bill's daughter, Nikki, who has stood by her mom's side throughout all of this.
So when Frances first spotted her husband, Bill, on the motorcycle and his mistress, Bonnie, following behind, she called Nikki.
What did you tell your daughter?
I told Nikki I'm gonna confront this woman.
I'm done.
You have to understand, my kids had only found out a week before my death, my husband's death, what was going on.
I had literally sheltered them from it.
I thought this was gonna die down.
Nobody has to know.
And I called her and I told her, I'm going to confront this girl.
She goes, Mom, do what you gotta do.
This girl has made our life a living hell.
So that's exactly what happened.
After Nikki got the call from her mom, she called her father's mistress, and she left this voicemail message.
Listen carefully.
Told you to watch your back, you f***ing stupid slut.
So let's go on through your mind, through your heart as you hear that.
I was angry.
I was upset.
She had been, you know, sending my mom pictures, ugly, disturbing text messages taunting her.
So I was just over it.
I was so fed up with her doing this to my family.
And I left that voicemail.
I did.
And I'll regret it.
That's something I should have never done.
But I did it.
And they used that, you know, the state used it against my mom.
But, you know, people make mistakes.
There's nothing I can do about it now.
And she just, she used that.
She kept it.
She saved it.
And I guess that helped.
She was, for her, she was protecting her mom.
Yeah.
Do you miss your father?
I do.
I do miss him.
Can I ask you a question that stuck in my mind?
Your son sued you in order to block you from, if I understand correctly, from inheriting your husband's stake in your company.
Why would he do that then?
And what's your relationship with your son Justin like now?
Well, with the relationship, we are awesome.
My son is my boy.
He'll be my son for the rest of his life.
We get along so much better.
We've kind of come full circle, me, him, and Nikki.
I mean, it's been hard, but we're working on it, and he's awesome.
He did something, and I think, I don't know what his rhyme or reason was for.
I have to assume, as a parent, He was going through a hard time too.
And I think with this, me going to prison, it just made everything so much worse.
Dad died without a will.
And, you know, we had all wanted my brother to take over the company, but the company took a turn for the worse.
We lost a big contract.
But we all came to a realization that Everything that we were fighting over and all this negativity was unnecessary, and it had to stop.
When we come back, I'm going to ask you a question.
If your husband was here right now, what would you say to him?
Okay.
Plus, we've got a message for Bill's mistress, Bonnie.
Stay with us.
I'm back with Frances Hall and her daughter Nikki We're also joined by Frances' attorney, Lee Cutter.
So Lee, just let me speak for the audience here.
Normally a two-year sentence for a murder conviction doesn't quite seem right.
It's sort of unheard of.
So what happened?
What was mitigating the sentencing?
And do you think the punishment fit the crime?
So, murder in Texas is a 5 to 99. 5 to 99 years or life in prison.
And there is a special provision in the penal code that says if you're acting in sudden passion, then they can lower it to a second degree felony, which is 2 to 20. Sudden passion is something that takes over you.
It's an out-of-body experience where you are unable to think clearly and make a rational decision.
A lot of times people use the example, you walk in on your wife sleeping with someone and you start to stab them.
That was sudden passion.
You were unable to clearly and coolly reflect on something before you made a decision.
Think about Frances.
She stopped, about to turn.
She sees Bonnie in her car and pulls over to the side of the road, grabs that steering wheel and says, that's it, I'm gonna go confront her.
Flips around and she is just tunnel vision on her.
That's something that I think that most people can relate to.
That is an out-of-body experience, especially after 28 days of hearing about this affair.
So after this has all gone down, Bonnie, the mistress, sues you for $2.5 million, claiming there's been emotional distress.
Again, I'm reporting the facts as I know them.
What's the status of that lawsuit, Lee?
So the lawsuit just was dismissed in June of this year.
Frances, I understand Bonnie has reached out to you and forgiven you.
Oh, okay.
I guess.
Well, it's an effort.
What's your message back to her?
I don't wish her any bad feelings.
I mean, she could be my daughter.
She's my daughter's age, a little younger.
I hope she finds what she's looking for.
I don't wish her any bad.
I mean, I lost.
She didn't.
I lost my husband.
I lost my life.
I see my husband in my two kids.
No one can ever take that away from me.
No one.
Do you forgive your husband's mistress?
Yes.
Yes, I do.
I'm no judge or jury.
Who am I to judge her?
I don't know what she was going through at the time.
After everything is said and done, there's only one person that I have to please, one person that I have to Answer to, and that's God.
And I know, I know He's okay with me.
Nikki, are you as forgiving as your mom towards your dad's mistress?
I am.
I forgive because I'm a woman of God, and...
That's what I have to do for myself.
I choose not to put any more negative energy into her.
I don't wish her bad.
If Bill was sitting right here next to us, Frances, sitting right here, what would you tell him?
Oh my gosh.
That I love him more than the day I met him.
That I miss him tremendously.
That if I could, I'd take his place.
You don't understand the void that I have.
I'm literally broken.
I'm lost.
Well, you've got two good reasons.
Oh, my God.
One lives next to you, plus all the grandchildren.
I've got 11. I've got nine angels and my son and my daughter.
Why, thank you for coming on.
I know it's painful to get through these.
I hope you bring a light to the world.
Oh, thank you.
Lee, thanks for joining us.
We'll be right back.
Fallopian tubes burnt down to nubs.
Hysterectomy's done without consent.
Up next, a bombshell case accusing an OBGYN of performing more than 100 procedures his patients didn't need or even know about.
Today, an Oz exclusive about a bombshell case the FBI has been investigating.
Imagine, just for a moment, having a hysterectomy without your consent.
Or finding out your fallopian tubes were tied without you even knowing.
Nearly 200 patients say this OBGYN manipulated them and scared them into unnecessary and often irreversible medical procedures.
According to this affidavit, Dr. Javed Perouez allegedly threw around the C word, cancer, as a basis for these operations so he could cash in on healthcare claims.
How can something like this happen?
And can you prevent it from happening to you?
Some of his patients are here.
They're speaking out about the surgeries they didn't really need.
And in some cases, surgeries they didn't even know they had.
Take a look.
The investigation of Javed Parvez began after the FBI received a tip that he was performing unnecessary surgeries on unsuspecting patients.
A 2019 affidavit reveals one shocking claim after another.
The removal of one patient's fallopian tubes without her consent or knowledge.
Performance of total abdominal hysterectomy without consent.
Using the threat of cancer to scare patients into having surgery.
Instruments that failed inspection.
Improperly performed diagnostic procedures.
The alteration and fabrication of medical reports.
Although Dr. Parvez had a history of legal trouble and was flagged for poor judgment and performing unnecessary surgeries, he was able to get his patients' trust.
A trust, according to the woman we spoke with, he flagrantly abused.
I had two surgeries in 22 days for absolutely no reason.
He told me that there was a couple of extra things that he did that we were unaware of.
He ended up removing my uterus and my cervix.
He did another surgery on me.
He ended up removing my left ovary and part of my left fallopian tube.
There was no reason other than money in the satisfaction he got of cutting on women.
Due to a court order in the criminal case, we can't refer to the accusers by their real names.
So I'm gonna call you Emily, if that's okay.
Yes.
Although I know your real name.
You were 17 years old when this all started for you at your first appointment with Dr. Peraways.
Yes.
What were your first impressions of him?
My first impressions, um, first, it was, I'm going to a male doctor, so it's kind of, for, you know, for OBGY, it's kind of scary, but my aunt was with me, and she had been going to him for years, so because she trusted him so much, I was like, okay, you know, maybe I can give him a try, and he made me feel comfortable.
He allowed her to, you know, come in the room with me and to be there when he examined me, so he kind of made me feel very comfortable with him and secure.
How many procedures did he end up performing on you?
He performed about six procedures on me.
Yeah.
Who knows?
Yeah.
You sit there and wonder how this even happened.
Yeah, he performed, yeah, like six, removing cysts from my ovaries, DNCs to leap procedures, telling me I had cancer.
And even I thought it was natural after women give birth that they had to get a DNC, and that's not the case.
So you got a pap smear at some point.
Again, you're still a young woman.
Yes.
Under the age of 21. Yes.
And you had a pap smear, which we don't do anymore, by the way, because we realize it doesn't really help women because there's so much going on when you're young that we can't do much with the information.
But he did a pap smear on you.
What did he tell you?
He told me that I had cysts on my ovaries with a couple of them.
And then one, he told me I had cervical cancer.
And what did he want to...
Well, actually, that's stunning.
You're a young woman.
You've got a little baby.
Yeah, I had two babies at the time.
What did you feel when he said you had cancer?
I was scared, I cried, I was nervous, you know, and I was mortified.
It was a very scary situation for me.
You know, I went home and told my family.
And I'm like, you know, he said, I have cancer, like cervical cancer.
So they're like, are you sure that's what he said?
You know, everybody's asking me, like, are you sure?
Because, you know, normally you're sick and you go through a lot when you have cancer.
But for me, it was just, you know, just his word.
And that's what I had to go by.
So you did a procedure on your cervix.
Yes.
Do you have a good understanding of what he did?
No, because I was only the impression that he would just be removing, like, cancer cells from my cervix.
And I didn't know that he had cut half of my cervix off.
So, you'd had two children, normal pregnancies.
Yes.
The third child, you had a miscarriage.
I had three miscarriages.
Three miscarriages.
Yes.
And do you believe that the operation on the cervix was responsible for that?
I feel it had a lot to do with it, yes, because my daughters, I carried them with no problem.
So we've obtained some of the medical records that were seized by the FBI. I have got them all here, and this is an ongoing case.
In the criminal complaint, it alleges he committed fraud, but he has pleaded not guilty to the charges.
Ultimately, we're not going to know the whole story until this plays out in court.
However, we looked into what we had for Emily's medical records, and it looks like He gave for a pap test at age 20. That's an age that's younger than what was currently recommended.
It wasn't unusual at the time.
But what strikes me, this is the part that I want you all to understand, is he ended up going for the more invasive option for a young woman who was still in her reproductive prime.
When most doctors that I've spoken to would have watched the cells over time to see what happens.
Because that's often, they're not sure what they are when you're young.
They go away.
They go away.
So, if Dr. Pervez was sitting here where I am, what would you say to him?
Wow.
You know, I'm hurt.
I can't believe he would do this.
I feel like he stole our lives from us because it was so...
Some women can't even have kids now because of what he's done to us.
And I would want him to know he should have to pay for what he did to us.
He kind of, not kind of, but totally, like, messed up my trust with other doctors.
What's your family say about him?
All my family now, they're crushed because all of their trust and hope was in him.
He's performed hysterectomies and other procedures on women in my family.
And now they're questioning, did they even need these surgeries?
Or why was it so many surgeries?
And so now it's like all of them are in the same situation as me now because it's like, did we really need this?
Did I ever have cancer?
Yeah, when I look at the pathology reports, it's hard to tell.
Yeah, so, yeah.
Thanks for being here and sharing your story.
Thank you for having me.
Up next in our Oz exclusive, this woman says her whole family trusted this OB-GYN and says she would have gotten another procedure from him if the FBI didn't tip her off at the last second.
A pregnant wife's death ruled suicide until her husband reveals secrets that tripped him up.
This is more typical of someone who's being strangled from behind.
All new odds.
That's coming up next week.
We are back with our Oz exclusive.
Patients speaking out about the OBGYN accused of doing invasive procedures like hysterectomies and removals of ovaries and fallopian tubes that did not need to be done.
And in some cases, they didn't even consent to these procedures.
Prosecutors say Dr. Perwes scammed and falsified medical charts to justify unnecessary surgeries.
And now, patients are coming forward with how their lives have been ruined.
Jessica says Dr. Perwes diagnosed her with fibroids, which she now questions.
So you had an operation for those fibroids.
Yes.
And after the procedure, you began to bleed.
Yes.
Explain what happened.
Major health scare.
Yes, I had very, very severe bleeding, and I went to the emergency room, and my blood count was at a three.
A three?
Yeah, it was supposed to be at like a 13. Oh, my goodness.
So the nurse told my mom and my sister that if I would have went home like I originally planned to, I wouldn't have woke back up.
I would have just laid there and bled out in my sleep.
I'm surprised you're still awake with a blood count of three.
Yeah.
So you had the procedure with Dr. Peraways, he sends you home, you're bleeding, you go to the emergency room, they save your life, they do an ultrasound.
Yes.
What did they say on the ultrasound?
The physicians at the emergency room told me that I didn't have any fibroids, they didn't see any fibroids, but they aren't OBGYNs, so they wanted me to go and get a second opinion from Dr. Peraways.
Who had done the first operation?
Yes.
Alright, so you go back to him again.
Yes.
And what does he say you're bleeding from?
Fibroids.
Fibroids?
Yes.
And at this point, he's telling me that they are large and that they could be cancerous or that they were cancerous.
And he was just like, you know, we need to do this right away.
We need to get you to surgery.
We have to take these fibroids out.
It could be dangerous for you.
How old are you?
I'm 26. Do you have any children yet?
Yes.
I have two children.
I have a four-year-old son and a six-year-old son.
So here's a young mom who might want to have more kids.
Yes.
Who's got to take care of those kids that she already has.
Yes.
And you're being told you've got fibroids that might have cancer in them.
Yes.
And you almost died from having something done to the uterus.
Yes.
You scared?
I was very scared.
Very scared.
And when I found out that I didn't have these issues, kind of angry as well.
Because it's just like, why?
It's something that's so...
It's just inhumane.
Like, what would make you want to do something like this to people?
You know, good people.
Yeah.
So, what made you trust Dr. Perwez in the first place?
My family.
My family's been seeing Dr. Perwez probably about since the early 90s or the late 80s because I know he's delivered like a couple of my cousins that are like in their 30s now.
So, you scheduled a procedure.
Yes.
Because you've been taking care of your whole family.
You're scared.
Yes.
You don't want to let cancer grow in your uterus or die of bleeding.
And you're all set to go.
Yes.
And all of a sudden, knock, knock, knock.
And I look at these records.
So everything you're saying, you know, seems like it's, you know, I've got ultrasound pictures in here.
Oh, yeah.
Ones that don't show fibroids.
Right.
So, the FBI knocks on your door.
Yeah.
What did they say to you, the FBI? That, because I had a surgery, another surgery, which would have been the third surgery that was scheduled, he told me that I had really large fibroids again.
And the FBI told me that I needed to cancel my surgery right away.
So they told you the information about the diagnosis, they contradicted his recommendations.
Yes.
And then they wired you.
Yes.
So you could call them.
Yes.
What happened in that conversation, which is on video, audio tape right now?
Well, I called Dr. Poise, and I told him that I had some questions about my surgery.
And we went through, you know, what surgery that I was supposed to be having, how long that I would be out, and I told him that I didn't want to go forward with the surgery, and he just kind of brushed me off like, okay, well, Better luck getting pregnant, is what he said, because I did share with him that, you know, I was trying to conceive another child, and he was just like, well, better luck getting pregnant.
And I think at that moment, like, I realized, like, this guy isn't who I think he is.
Not at all.
Because if it was something life-threatening, you wouldn't have just ended the phone call with, okay, better luck getting pregnant.
If it was life-threatening, you would have wanted to help your patients.
Exactly right.
What'd your family say?
My family is kind of shocked because my mom and my sister, they've been going to them for a long time, too.
So they're kind of wondering, well, was the procedures that I went through where they needed and everything like that.
So I'm just trying to be an advocate for my family, not only for my family, just for other women who may have been through the same thing or might be going through the same thing and they don't know.
I do.
I want to be a voice for other women.
So with that voice, good for you, with that voice, if you could speak to Dr. Parraways right now, what would you say?
And he's currently behind bars, but if you could speak to him.
I think that I just would want to know why.
Like, why did you corrupt the system, just trying to use the system for your own greed?
I'm very proud of you.
Thank you.
Thank you, Dr. Oz.
Thank you for having me.
Thank you.
Dr. Parraways is being investigated by the FBI and he currently faces 11 charges against him, including fraud and identity theft.
He's pleaded not guilty.
Up next, why would this OBGYN do all these unnecessary surgeries?
How could this happen to you?
The red flags to prevent getting procedures that you don't need.
We've been investigating the case of an OBGYN who's being accused of performing life-changing and irreversible surgeries without patient's consent.
Joining us now is Stephen Washington, the lawyer who represents close to 70 of Dr. Peraway's former patients.
Just that number is so stunning.
That's 70 people who are angry enough to litigate over this.
What are your clients seeking through the civil suit that you filed?
Well, the thing about this is, although it's a civil suit, it's a lawsuit, it's deeper than that.
It's much deeper than that because there's a price to pay, but it's hard to place that dollar amount on it.
That makes sense to you.
Because there's a lot of women who's been aggrieved.
A lot of women who had their cervixes removed without permission.
Uterus removed without permission.
What are they claiming about their relationship with Dr. Perwey?
Did they think he was explaining stuff appropriately?
Did they think they were conned?
A lot of them feel like they were definitely being conned.
Some of them feel that way because, just for instance, you just heard from one of my clients.
My client just indicated, he told me I was going to have cancer and you need to have the surgery right away.
Right away.
Schedule this surgery with 29 other people.
30 surgeries on one Saturday.
You can't make this up.
On one Saturday?
On one Saturday.
Moving from room to room.
In the affidavit, because I don't make these facts up, I don't make this up.
In the affidavit, it tells you that hospital staff had a difficult time keeping up with Dr. Pruitts.
From room to room.
Give me some background on Dr. Perwey's personal history.
Where is he from?
Has he done something like this in the past?
Right.
He's from Pakistan.
He's from Pakistan, and he's been here, I want to say, since the early 1980s.
So at least 40 years.
And the history of doing these kinds of things?
Any personal traits that might have made you worry that this could be done by somebody?
Absolutely, absolutely.
We'll see you back in 1982. He lost his privilege to practice.
At one specific hospital.
And that was because he was performing unnecessary surgeries.
He was already caught doing this once?
Oh, absolutely.
Absolutely.
He was already caught before.
They revoked his privilege to practice, and nevertheless, here he goes again, doing the same exact things as outlining that affidavit, performing unnecessary surgeries.
Do you have any understanding of where this all came from?
Why would a doctor do unnecessary procedures?
It sounds financial.
It sounds like this is all financial, because he's not only defrauding Medicaid, he's also defrauding our clients.
He's also defrauding the federal government.
What kind of money was he making?
It appears that he had a few Bentleys, some Mercedes that were paid off, a couple million dollars in paintings, some gold and the like.
And yeah, money hungry.
That's what it appears to be.
That's exactly what it appears to be.
So Dr. Perwez has pleaded not guilty to the charges, and his trial is currently set for June of 2020. We reached out to the attorney representing Dr. Perwez.
He did not get back to us in time for this response.
All right.
Let me bring in an OB-GYN, Dr. Evelyn Minaya, who's got the red flags to prevent getting treatments and procedures you do not need.
Before I get to the red flags, as an OB-GYN, you just witnessed a discussion from two women who feel they've been harmed.
What do you feel about a doctor performing procedures that may have been unnecessary or not giving appropriate consent, opinions, before proceeding?
I am appalled, embarrassed, That we work so incredibly hard.
We're still talking about the same things.
And they are definitely harmed.
And they're harmed forever.
And their families are harmed forever.
It's such a privilege to take care of people.
You know that, Dr. Oz.
And just like their lawyer was saying, you know, do you ever do 30 cases in a day?
I'm an OB-GYN and I don't do 30 cases in a day.
It's insane.
Appropriate.
And like I said, we have this privilege, really, of taking care of people.
And as I've always said, and I will always continue to say it, your patient is somebody's somebody.
And he violated that oath that we all take.
Absolutely.
So let's make sure it doesn't keep happening.
Absolutely.
So what are the red flags?
Everyone right now, stop what you're doing.
Should be checking up on their doctors with.
Absolutely, and there's nothing wrong with you checking up on your doctor, okay?
First of all, check for certification.
And it's not only board certification.
You know, in every state, we have a state of medical examiners.
You could actually put your doctor's first and last name and see if they light up for anything.
You know, their license is revoked or has been suspended and all of that stuff.
You should do your due diligence.
Second red flag, important one, and it's gonna take a little effort.
Yeah.
Your doctor is definitely your partner, okay?
I can't even stress that enough.
There is no question that is a stupid question, because my patient's always like, oh, you know, Dr. Bernard, can I ask you a stupid question?
No question is like that.
Remember, we are talking about major abdominal, vaginal, whatever kind of surgery.
We have talked about risks, benefits, alternatives, everything.
That's what we should all pride ourselves in.
If you don't know, don't know or understand the procedure, it's not your fault.
It's our job to teach you.
Yes, absolutely.
Let's go over some big questions that every patient has the right to ask.
Again, there are no dumb ones, but these are particularly important ones to ask.
First, how many of these procedures have you done?
Right, and everybody thinks that you shouldn't ask your doctor how many procedures they have done.
I think that that's the number one thing.
I take no offense to that.
You know what I mean?
You want to brag about it.
Exactly.
I've done thousands.
2,374.
Let us brag.
If we say, you know, I never kept track.
That's too evasive.
There should be a number.
If we're good at something, we believe we will brag about it.
But not only that, you can also even interject and say, you know what, and if you want to, I can even show you, one of my patients can even talk to you about the procedure.
Which I've done as well.
Extra credit.
Extra credit.
What are the alternatives to the treatment?
Do you have to actually take a knife and heal me with steel?
And exactly, precisely, what are you taking out if you're having something removed?
Yes.
It's like, show me on a model.
Yes, and that's the other thing.
And that's why I always, and have always in 26 and a half years of practice, I have always brought in my patients in person.
I cannot consent anybody over the phone, okay?
So I have diagrams in my office, I have models in my office.
I draw horribly by the way.
But, and I also, we have a chat, and if I see that you're blank, I'm like, okay, you didn't get what I just said.
You know, we all know that we're doctors.
We don't have to talk in all our terminology.
We have to put it real, and so that the patient understands what is happening to her.
And get clear what's going to happen afterwards.
Exactly when are you going to find the answers out.
Get a second opinion.
Don't be embarrassed about that.
It makes us proud when you check up on us and we do better.
And that's how you make the healthcare system better.
We're going to put these patient tips on my website.
Dr. Minaya, thanks for your passion.
Oh, you're very welcome.
Bless you.
We'll be right back.
Thank you.
Thank you.
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New mom Alicia responded to a Facebook post for a baby photographer and ended up poisoned and in grave danger.
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But police claim she was really fixated on kidnapping a baby girl.
Alicia says Juliet came to her house three times.
On the final visit, Juliet's 16-year-old daughter reportedly accompanied her, and Alicia claims she was violently ill after being pressured into eating two of the cupcakes they brought.
Doctors said Alicia appeared to have been drugged, possibly with GHB, known as the date rape drug.
Juliet is now facing charges of assault and attempted kidnapping.
On the next true crime, Juliet Parker's ex-husband is here.
He's also the father of her 16-year-old daughter, and he's revealing why he says poisoned cupcakes are just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to Juliet's shocking behavior and manipulations.
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