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Oct. 13, 2023 - Dr. Oz Podcast
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Gaga’s DBT Therapy, Wahlberg vs Oz, and Bieber’s Lyme Disease | Dr. Oz | S11 | Ep 104 | Full Episode
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Breaking celebrity news.
Lady Gaga.
How a new therapy helped her through her emotional trauma.
And Justin Bieber's battle with Lyme disease.
Then...
Come train with me.
Mark Wahlberg throws out a challenge to me.
I'll tell you why.
Plus, Nini Leakes opens up about her own health struggles and her husband's cancer fight.
It was like a crazy nightmare.
Coming up next.
Are you ready for season 11?
Yeah!
Mark, my man, F45.
F45's got you in great shape.
You know, we always see you looking ripped.
Dr. Oz, he's now saying...
Dr. Oz is saying cancel breakfast.
You know, it's not an important meal of the day.
You can skip it and it's actually, you know, a more healthy alternative.
What's your take on that?
Listen, I don't care what Dr. Allen says, I got to have my breakfast before I work out.
Really?
That's my preference.
I know you're an early guy, you wake up at 4. I know a lot of people do a lot of intermittent fasting and stuff like that.
Right.
But you know what you do?
You go to F45, you get that 45-minute workout better than any workout out there, and you start getting in shape.
Do you eat?
Do you work out first or eat first?
Before and after.
You eat before?
I still do the small meals, you know, every two and a half, three hours.
It works for you.
So Dr. Allen has to come train with me.
All right, I heard you said that I was dead wrong when it comes to canceling breakfast.
Well, powerful medical literature and lots of athletes support me and show that intermittent fasting flips the metabolic switch.
So it bolsters your physical and your mental performance.
I last ate 12 hours ago, but thankfully my liver, it stored lots of energy, plenty of energy for the intensity workout that mere mortals like me do, but maybe for you too.
So swing by.
We'll test if breakfast matters.
That was Mark Wahlberg when TMZ reporters asked him about one of the cornerstones of the System 20 plan that we launched for the new decade in my response on Instagram.
Well, Mark posted a response video.
Here it is.
If you want to challenge me, I'll come hungover, eat a big steak, and you can do your little 20 push-ups with one layer of your assisted pull-up.
I'm telling you you'll need a defibrillator when I'm done with you.
Well, I'll see you soon, Dr. Hans.
Get ready.
Alright, it's on.
You're proud of him, but you can see Mario Lopez, Donnie Wahlberg, his brother David Beckham, they're all commenting back on Mark's video.
It is an all-out health feud.
So I commented on Instagram, done deal, the alley behind the old warehouse, be there.
Mark and I clearly need to work this out.
We're going to work this beef out in a gym, so stay tuned for that.
It is coming soon.
But I love starting conversations about health because in the end, you win.
And boy, are you hungry for this information.
I was shocked by the battle over breakfast that you waged online.
So today, we have the real science of intermittent fasting and why a morning fasting workout may help you get the results you want, even if you think you've plateaued.
And there's more breaking news at the intersection of Hollywood and health, including Justin Bieber clapping back at the haters online saying he looks like he's on drugs, revealing he's actually battling two chronic diseases at once.
And the new kind of therapy Lady Gaga told Oprah helped her heal from trauma in her past, including sexual abuse.
Now joining me to help tackle these breaking celebrity health news stories is senior reporter for the New York Post, Page Six, Francesco Bacardi.
Therapist for the stars, Dr. Michael Dow.
And Sirius XM Radio host, Bevelations.
Thank you for all being here.
Thank you for having us.
Let's get started with Lady Gaga's shocking revelation, a new treatment that she is undergoing.
It's called DBT. We're gonna explain it.
But first, maybe help us understand what Lady Gaga said.
So she was sitting down with Oprah for the big vision tour that Oprah's embarking on and she confessed to her that she had been raped repeatedly at the age of 19 by someone she knew.
And she was experiencing PTSD and she didn't really know how to deal with the situation.
And then she realized that she was suffering from pain throughout her body and the pain was mimicking the pain that she felt after the abuse happened.
I mean, this is shocking, except I hear it from so many people, and it's wonderful that you came out to talk about it.
When you heard this news, something clicked in your healer's head.
I am such a huge fan of Gaga, and I've been watching this clip of her over and over, her in all this pain, and I knew, in the back of my mind, I always thought, there's trauma here.
There's trauma.
When somebody has that kind of pain or some of these other loose conditions, IBS, chronic fatigue.
So when she talked about it with Oprah, I thought, oh, thank goodness.
She's actually treating her mind.
And sometimes when you treat the mind, the body gets better as well.
So I was just so happy for her.
Yeah.
So Gaga attributed her ability to stay creative through the pain, partly because of this thing called DBT therapy.
Yes.
It's a new term, Dr. Dao, for a lot of people.
Please explain what it is and who could it work for?
Yeah, so DBT, Dialectical Behavior Therapy.
It's sort of a new generation of CBT, which a lot of people have heard of.
This one you do an hour individually, about two and a half hours in a group for six months, or some people do it twice for the cycle of a year.
And you learn a lot of skills.
Interpersonal skills, making your relationships better, how to deal with stressors, how to deal with your cognitions.
But I think the most important piece is the mindfulness for Gaga.
Because when she was talking to Oprah, she talked about radical acceptance.
And in DBT, radical acceptance means you have to accept the bad things in your life As much as you accept the good one.
So yes, I'm a survivor of trauma, of rape, of sexual assault, and I'm a superstar.
And that helped her.
So it's just a really fantastic treatment.
So it's mindfulness, meditation.
A lot of it draws from these Buddhist principles.
So would you try?
Oh, I would definitely try.
I think meditation helps all of us.
You know, even if you just take a few minutes out of your day, just take a deep breath.
So it's definitely something I would be interested in doing.
Oh yeah, absolutely.
I mean, I'm a spiraler.
I get an idea in my brain, I plant a seed, and the next thing you know, I'm off a cliff.
So it's nice to know that there are practical ways in order to get your thoughts under control rather than your thoughts controlling you.
To me, Lady Gaga's thoughtful comments are again about the power of one.
She spoke out, she broke through the stigma around rape in her case, something that's hard to admit, mental health, which went along with it, because they do travel together.
She's on a psychiatric medication, can she open up about that?
And she's doing talk therapy.
So it's not even one or the other, she's gonna do both.
And talking really publicly about, you know, she said something to Oprah about your primary care physician should be introducing you to your psychiatrist.
And if your PCP and your psychiatrist therapist can all work as a team to help you, I think that's a great thing.
Let me move on to this Mark Wahlberg bowling over controversy.
This is my response about skipping breakfast.
And again, I understand why it's so controversial.
Here's the part of the clip again.
Listen, I'm a kid with Dr. Austin.
I gotta have my breakfast before I work out.
Really?
That's my preference.
I know you're an early guy.
You wake up at 4. I know a lot of people do a lot of intermittent fasting and stuff like that.
Right.
I still do the small meals, you know, every two and a half, three hours.
It works for you.
Dr. Austin, come train with me.
He wants me to come train with him, and I will.
So this is a man who's ingratiated, there's no doubt.
He's doing the many small meals approach, which I like, and it's working for him.
But he's also putting a lot of time in the gym.
I mean, he's jacked, right?
And most women, I don't think, have the time.
Most men don't have the time.
People have day-to-day jobs, like nine-to-five jobs, right?
This is why I think intermittent fasting helps.
The System 20 fasting window is 7 p.m.
to 11 a.m.
That means you don't have breakfast.
You can't in that window have breakfast.
You can have it later in the morning if you want, but you can't have it when you normally have it.
You can have beans and greens and protein or cereal at 11 a.m., but you're not having it when you first get up.
And I am not alone.
There's a big review paper in the New England Journal of Medicine, it's our most prestigious journal, on intermittent fasting just a couple weeks ago.
I talked about it on the Today Show.
They found that intermittent fasting works by activating a metabolic switch.
In your body.
It gets turned down when you use all the sugar, carb-based fuel, and you switch to burning fat for energy.
So in the morning when you get up after 12 hours of sleeping, you're sort of in that keto-like effect.
But you're not hungry for that reason.
You don't crave a donut.
Plus all the goodwill you build up means you get a cheat day once a week, which you sort of want and want to have it.
So you all saw the clip.
You saw Mark.
Here's my defense.
What are your thoughts about canceling breakfast?
Where do you vote?
I'm team Oz, my love.
I am team Oz.
And let me tell you why I'm team Oz.
Because, you know, I used to be an advertising professional.
And did you know, Dr. Oz, that the breakfast phenom cereal in the morning was actually created by the cereal lobbyists.
And that's the reason why there's that whole slogan, breakfast is the most important meal of the day.
Well, what about lunch and what about dinner?
I guess they didn't have small lobbyists.
You know what I mean?
See, I happen to love breakfast food.
Yeah, me too.
You can have an eat, John.
Yeah, you don't have to eat it at 6 in the morning.
You don't have to force food in your mouth.
Everyone loves breakfast, you know, for dinner and things like that.
I like it for brunch.
Yeah, exactly.
And you know, of course, in the African-American tradition, we have chicken and waffles.
And that was traditionally served at night after the jazz musicians got off work.
And they wanted breakfast, but they also wanted dinner.
And they combined it with chicken and waffles.
So you've done some research on this?
Team Oz all the way.
So intermittent fasting is part of my new book, The Sugar Brain Fix.
I love intermittent fasting.
It really took my fitness, my health to the next level.
I couldn't be there.
Francesca, the workout issue here.
Yeah.
So when you work out, you like to eat before or not?
If I work out in the early morning, I'm not eating beforehand.
I don't want to wake up any earlier than I already have to to fit in the meal, take time to digest, and then hit the gym.
I just want to wake up, get there, get ready for work, and go.
Well, I feel badly about this, because I bought into this.
And I used to tell people, have breakfast, because I know when people didn't have breakfast, when they got hungry at 10 in the morning, they'd go forging a rat-through vending machine and eat whatever was there.
And, you know, kids are in school, right?
So they don't have the option of having a late breakfast.
You want them to eat first thing, because they don't have a choice.
But for most of us, there's a better way.
And you know, I'm not going to name drop, but you know who opened my eyes to this?
Who?
Hugh Jackman.
Another guy who's really jacked.
Yeah, exactly.
How about jacked?
Yeah, exactly.
And he was using it for Wolverine.
He had to get bigger and smaller for his rolls.
And skipping breakfast is actually part of intermittent fasting, because I don't think you can intermittent fast if you don't skip breakfast, because across the board, even if you don't lose an ounce, it's probably better for you.
Okay.
Well, Dr. Oz, you know, Marky Mark may not be Team Oz when it comes to breakfast, but you have quite the Hollywood heavy hitter that's in your corner.
Let's roll the tape.
Chris, did you skip breakfast?
Thank you so much.
Breakfast?
Yeah, Dr. Oz said we need to get rid of breakfast.
Get rid of breakfast?
Yes.
Um, that's not a bad idea.
Okay, thank you.
Vindication.
Who can argue with that woman?
She's a genius.
If she can build an empire with her family, think of what she can do with breakfast food.
When we come back, maybe the biggest celebrity health story of the year, maybe the decade.
Well, so far anyway.
Justin Bieber reveals he's struggling with chronic Lyme disease, and we're breaking it down.
That's next.
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Justin Bieber is talking to social media with breaking health news.
When some media outlets and trolls were posting that his recent pictures may have indicated drug use, specifically meth, Bieber posted in sort of a snarky, in-your-face way, they failed to realize I've been recently diagnosed with Lyme disease.
Not only that, but I also had a serious case of chronic mono, which affected my skin, brain function, energy, and overall health.
So I'm back with my celebrity health panel to break this down.
Page 6 is Francesca McCarty.
Psychotherapist and author of The Sugar Brain Fix, Dr. Mike Dow, and Sirius XM radio host of Revelations, Debbie Smith.
This is some high profile news out of Justin Bieber about a disease that a lot of us hadn't put those pieces together.
How can this revealing information be beneficial to everybody?
Well, I think first of all, everyone immediately took to Google and was looking up Lyme disease symptoms that they were suffering from or just to know more about it.
So that alone is a huge impact.
Just to talk about Bieber in general, I don't know if you've, you know, obviously you know, I've been studying about him, but do you think this is an excuse or do you think he really has an issue?
Well, I think a lot of people think about the former Bieber, the old Bieber that we know from his teenage years when he was struggling with drug abuse, which he later admitted.
He was getting into a lot of trouble.
He was getting arrested for DUIs.
He was, you know, being inappropriate and getting caught.
So I think after he canceled the remainder of his last tour, people wondered if this was just an excuse to explain all of that and not really taking into account of what he's doing now.
He's very spiritual now.
He's religious.
He's married.
And everything seems to be turning around for the better.
Yeah.
It makes sense when you look at those photos.
I treat patients with chronic Lyme and they come in and they feel depressed, hopeless.
They can't get out of bed to shower because of the chronic pain.
So when I look at those photos with that explanation, it's like, oh, okay, that actually could make sense.
I saw it actually on Yolanda Hadid.
Yes.
She was on the show.
She was destroyed, Bella and Gigi's mom.
But I saw her recently.
She is completely better and a whole different woman.
And she did a lot of dietary changes and things like that, right?
So you did everything that you wanna do if you wanted to reboot your system.
I think that's the bigger lesson here.
People with Lyme disease, not that they wanna go through it, but they end up opening a path for the rest of us.
And we're gonna be able to walk down that path.
Some of your therapy patients are having Lyme.
They must have a lot to do on their own without you.
Oh, big time.
They are some of the biggest champions for alternative treatments.
I actually recently saw Bieber walking out of a place in West Hollywood that's famous for their vitamin B12 injections.
That would make sense for somebody with Lyme, right?
Yeah.
You know, your body is not metabolizing oral medications or oral supplements well.
You're going to need B12 injections.
That's all for the vangos, though, too.
That's a good idea, baby, baby, come on.
How do you even know that?
How do you even know about that?
I call the vagus.
All of these things to, as you said, reboot the system.
And a lot of them feel...
Like, they're being criticized because there's this controversy, so people are calling them crazy when it's like, no, I was functional, and then I wasn't.
Something happened to me, you know?
It's an eye-opening moment for anybody who's a member of their family with that.
Anyway, I wish Bieber well.
Come see us.
Help spread the awareness.
I'd like to thank you, as always, with your deep wisdom, Dr. Dale Bevy.
Thank you.
See you all next time.
Thank you.
Be right back.
Coming up, I'm about to get real with the Atlanta housewife that you all love, NeNe Leakes.
She's opening up about a health crisis that affects everyone.
And I'm showing her something that, well, you've never seen this before.
Really?
Think you can handle it?
Before Greg got diagnosed with cancer, we were already in a rocky place.
It was probably the worst thing we've been through.
You both want to save this marriage.
I do.
Do you, NeNe?
We would just have to see.
But now, my relationship with Greg is still healing from the cancer journey.
I can see that it's still tough for you.
No matter what, in all of this, you did the best you can do, which I think you did a champion's job.
I don't want to cry, because if I cry, you know, I can't even cry, because...
I'd be making it about me if I cried.
Guess what?
It is about me.
Today, we're going behind all the drama to find out the truth behind Atlanta housewife Nini Leek's health emergency that almost tore her marriage and her family apart.
There she is.
You ready, Nini?
What are you doing?
You look nice.
Come on, beautiful.
Come on out here.
Let's join the audience.
I feel like I'm walking to a Housewives reunion.
Yes, you are.
How you been feeling?
I'm doing well.
Now, I heard you may not be feeling perfectly.
You may have a health issue.
Well, a small health issue.
I have been having a hemorrhoid.
Hemorrhoids?
I gave a...
When I gave birth 20 years ago to my son, my hemorrhoids came out then.
And then now, every now and then, they flare up.
And I'm actually going to try and have them removed.
They're very painful at times.
Well, I tell you what, I've got some ideas for them.
Let's go meet the audience first.
Sure.
You guys ready?
Nene Leach!
Hey, everybody.
Welcome, everybody.
Hi.
Oh, my goodness.
Yeah.
Well, we were talking in the hallway, everybody, before we walked in here about the common topic of hemorrhoids.
Who's got hemorrhoid questions here?
Me, me, me.
What I love about you, Dina, you're always very honest.
Yes, I just keep it a thousand hemorrhoids.
So, if I can ask, how long are you in the bathroom to go number two, usually?
Probably a good 30 minutes.
So I'm not regular in the bathroom.
Twice a week means you probably don't look forward to going to the bathroom.
No.
So the other thing that caused some hemorrhoids and constipation and a lot of other things is stress.
And you guys have been having a lot of intense discussions on housewives.
Yeah, we have.
What is going on here?
First of all, Cynthia and Kenya, how are you getting along with them?
Who?
I didn't tell you I had something wrong with my hearing.
I didn't tell you that.
Two friends, two acquaintances of yours, Cynthia and Kenya.
One.
One?
Acquaintance of mine, Cynthia.
Cynthia.
You guys getting along at all?
We're in a much better place than we were in the beginning of the season.
So you've always been protective of your inner circle.
Yes.
And one of the reasons I really want to talk to you today was actually about someone who's been having some health issues.
Your beautiful husband was diagnosed with stage 3 colon cancer.
Yeah.
How did that affect you?
How did it affect the relationship?
It affected my entire house.
It was very difficult for me.
First of all, just to hear that he had stage three colon cancer.
It was hard for the both of us.
And our lives changed that moment.
They said he has stage three colon cancer.
It was hard.
It's hard for all caregivers.
It is hard for caregivers.
When everyone's watching you, it makes it that much more difficult.
The rumors start to circulate and it's painful to hear people saying, oh, Nini's, you know, she must be done with this or it's tough for her.
But she's mean to Greg.
Yes, she's mean to Greg.
That was a classic one.
Well, anyway.
Well, were you mean to Greg?
Well, I might have been, honey.
Let me tell you.
It wasn't easy being a caregiver.
And I'm on the show.
I always keep it real.
If I felt like I wanted to slap Greg that day, I was like, Greg is driving me crazy today.
I think I want to slap him.
You know, there were days, you know, it's just like any family.
You have good days and bad days.
We had good days and bad days.
You all want to see Greg?
All right.
Up next, Greg's going to join us with an update to his health.
And the number one thing doctors say you can do to reduce your colon cancer risk.
This is important stuff.
Stay with us.
Yeah.
I could feel my vision just started to close in.
Savannah Guthrie.
It started to get black.
On the accident that almost took her sight.
I was scared.
All new Oz.
That's coming up on Monday.
When they told us Greg had cancer, the next ref, they say he has had surgery right now.
I felt devastated.
And she said, you don't have any time.
And I said, well, I got time to do two things.
I prayed for And I wrote my letter of goodbye to my wife.
Cancer just changed our life.
Like, it just, it did a lot.
Being a caregiver, it's got to be the hard, one of the hardest jobs.
It's so hard.
I mean, I don't know, you know, if there's a right or wrong way to do it.
But I was very stressed out.
It's beautiful.
That was Atlanta housewife Nene Leakes and her husband, Greg, getting real about the cancer that almost took his life.
Greg said, you ignored your health for a long time.
You're not alone.
I bet you a ton of folks watching right now are like you.
What was the hardest part, Greg and Nene, of being with each other when you're going through this?
And, you know, Nene's having to take care of you.
Both emotionally and physically while you're recovering.
It was just difficult.
I don't know.
You know, Greg wasn't like the greatest patient of them all now.
You know, most guys aren't.
You know, where they can stick me, Greg act like they just dug a hole in his arm.
You know, I'm just like...
Is that true, Greg?
Well, it started off that way.
He was a baby.
I remember one thing, always asking for a butterfly needle, but they don't work in every case.
No.
You know, he want everything to be small.
Do you have to stick me now?
Do you got to poke me here?
You know, so it was a lot.
How you doing now?
Right now, I'm doing great.
I had a colonoscopy and a PET scan December 2nd and December 4th, and they both came back, but the cancer is too small to be detected.
Hot dog!
That feels good.
Yeah, yeah.
Let's talk a little bit about what it's like to recover from an illness like this.
What was the hardest moment of the whole thing, rock bottom, where you thought, this is either gonna break us or bring us together forever?
This, I know, was hard.
There was a couple things.
When we were in the hospital and Greg called me and said, come now.
They need to talk to me.
They need to talk to us.
And they said, we need to have surgery right now.
It was like a, I don't know, like a crazy nightmare.
It just...
Come on over here.
I'm going to give you an intimate look at what you were going through.
You may enjoy this.
Not an intimate look.
Yes, an intimate look.
I'm afraid.
Yeah, this is the kind of intimate look that's not about butterfly needles.
This is a whole different kind of thing.
You don't have a butterfly over here?
Yeah, come on over here.
Stand in the middle over here.
Greg, put these gloves on.
You'll need them.
Here you go.
Ooh, I'm scared of the stuff you have.
Boy, do I remember these.
Yes.
Now, have you ever actually held a colon in your hands?
No, I hadn't planned upon holding it.
Okay.
Greg, you?
No, I haven't.
I've seen...
The big chunk of mine that was gone.
You did?
Yeah.
Well, this is what a normal intestinal system looks like.
Mm-hmm.
And if you could help me with this.
Is that really a real one?
This is real.
Hold that like that.
Oh, I don't think I want to touch it.
These are the small ones.
Hold that.
You got the small intestine.
Nina, you're gonna hold this.
See how that's thicker and bigger?
Mm-hmm.
Come on over here.
Okay.
This is a normal colon.
Gonna put that down, because we're gonna compare this, that normal colon, like that, to this.
Because this is colon cancer.
Oh, it is?
So, you notice the colon here and here look the same, right?
Pretty similar.
But this got blocked up.
But compare this nice thin supple tissue, go ahead and do that, to this, and put your hand here and feel the cancer.
And the problem with this bad boy is it can spread.
It can break through this wall.
It's already starting, you can see how it's breaking through here?
It's busting through the wall.
It can also escape into the arteries.
So I'm thinking about your colon, and, you know, that probably wasn't that far from busting through on you.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, but let me ask you.
So it's this long, right?
Greg, they cut all of his out because all of it was infected except for a very small piece.
Hold that.
Go over there.
And you hold this and go this down this way, though.
You got a lot of intestines, right?
Yeah.
I mean, when you say they cut out a lot, I mean...
They cut most of it out.
A foot?
Two feet?
You got 26 feet.
He only had...
A lot more than that.
Yeah.
He only has so many inches left.
Yeah, but no matter how much you cut out, there's a lot usually left.
It's very rare.
You can stretch it out, yeah.
Yeah, so you got a lot of room, which is the beauty of the human body.
The problem with the operation is not how much you cut out.
The problem with the operation is not doing it in time.
Okay.
So by the time they cut it out, cancer's already spread.
And that's why that test you got is so important.
You guys have become world experts on colon cancer.
You probably know all the risk factors, right?
But again, the whole goal, the whole reason that I really want to talk to you guys about this is not how to deal with the complications of the surgery, it's how to never have the surgery in the first place.
And that's why colonoscopy, which is the best screening test there is, takes out It screens you, so you know if you've got a risk.
And if you have a risk, it takes it out.
And the big risk factors?
African Americans get more colon cancer, get it younger.
Whether you've got enough fiber in your diet, that all seems to add up.
Being overweight, these are the basic risk factors of colon cancer.
So I've got a little something for you.
You can take these gloves off.
Oh, I've got to get my fiber.
You've got fiber.
I've got a little answer for your fiber.
Miss twice a week, Nini?
Yeah, I'm scared.
Can we call you twice a week, Nini, from now on?
Yes, you can.
Maybe once a week, honey.
Once a week?
All right, Greg.
This is what you're gonna do to make sure your wife is going more than once or twice a week.
All right, this is a colon health smoothie, all right?
Now, you guys don't eat dairy, right?
No.
Almond milk, but you can put anything you want in place of that, hemp milk.
Banana and some frozen blueberries.
Give a taste of this.
There's the missing ingredient that's over here.
You want me to taste this?
Yes.
I want you to start going to the bathroom as soon as you walk up to set.
Maybe even earlier.
Honey, I'm scared to drink this.
What did you put in here, Doctor?
Well, you gotta find out.
You gotta tell me, honestly, if you can tell what's in there.
There's something that gives it a ton of fiber.
I taste the banana.
Well, that's not the fiber.
Greg, any thoughts?
Something that gives it fiber.
Something.
I'm not gonna torture you.
Why taste almond?
It's beans.
Oh, beans.
Ooh.
Believe it or not, I put beans in there!
Ooh, I'm really gonna have to use the bamboo.
That's okay.
If you cook them the right way, you won't get gas.
Don't you load up on legumes.
There's 15 grams of fiber in that stuff, right?
In a cup of legumes.
We've got this plan called System 20. It's all about getting people to be healthy in 2020. Mm-hmm.
Beans and greens are big parts of it, and we need to eat more beans in America.
And it'll make you four times a week, Nini.
Listen, I love the fact that you guys are here.
I'm going to share the recipe with everyone at home so you can enjoy what Nini's enjoying.
I want to have this recipe.
I'm going to make the recipe much more for you.
I wish you the best of luck.
I'm very proud of you.
Thank you.
And I'm so happy you spoke about caregiving, because it matters.
Yes, and I want you to know that if I use the bathroom, do you think I'd lose some weight?
Yes, you might.
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Coming up, the wonderful Martha Stewart is here with the ultimate guide to organizing the messiest and unhealthiest spots in your home.
I hear you've been decluttering my office today.
Well, we're just getting started.
Stay tuned.
What the...
What's going on here?
What the heck?
Oh my goodness.
I should have known.
Martha Stewart.
Look at this mess.
What are you doing?
I'm just checking out backstage.
It's just fine the way it is.
What are you doing?
It's perfect.
Well, it could be a little bit more orderly.
You think my backstage is disorganized?
Yeah, I thought you were an organized doctor.
Oh my goodness.
It should be reflected in the backstage every place in the studio.
Here we go again.
Oh boy.
Just like an operating room.
Let's go into the studio.
Just like the operating room.
I love you.
Give me a hand for Martha Stewart.
She's the ultimate perfectionist who isn't afraid to tell it like it is.
And you just saw it.
This is, by the way, real life.
Martha Stewart is here.
She's cutting through the clutter.
She gives me a hard time for all kinds of things.
Sometimes deserved, sometimes not.
But today she's revealing her secrets to bringing order and balance to your life without getting overwhelmed.
So you can go from this to this.
So what bugs you so much about clutter?
Well it's not clutter so much, it's disorganized clutter.
It seems like it's overwhelming for a lot of folks.
It is.
Why do you think it impacts our health?
Well because we get nervous, we get mad, we just throw things on the floor, you know.
Or at people.
And we throw more stuff in our closets.
Yes.
And it's wrong to do that.
It's wrong.
You get much, much more pleasure out of being able to find the red pot pepper flakes in your pantry than ripping everything out and looking for them.
Why not have them organized?
So I suspect I'm not the only one you pick on.
Stoop Dog, I know, hangs out with you quite a bit.
Have you ever gone over to his crib and fixed things up a little bit?
You know, he's very orderly.
He is.
He's so orderly.
I would never have expected.
Everything has a place.
And plus, he doesn't care.
He's high all the time.
Snoop's going to hear that.
All right.
We set up a Martha Stewart organizing boot camp.
Yes.
Our mission, to tackle the unhealthiest clutter hotspots in your home, you may take your spot, because you're the coach.
Thank you, okay.
This is the pantry of shame.
These are our images that reveal the messiest pantries on social media, and we use this hashtag pantry of shame, because so many people, well, they resonated to us.
You get the standouts.
Yeah, but nobody should be ashamed of that.
They can just fix it.
I mean, look, if you lived here, how could you find anything?
Well, no, it's hard.
That makes it very hard to cook, to make that wonderful sauce that you want to make for your rice that night.
You know, it's hard.
It's hard to find.
And some of that stuff might be old, too, and not worthwhile using.
This looks like that.
I mean, how old are these things in there?
They've been hanging out there for a long time.
That should be cleaned.
And these things look like they literally threw the kitchen sink at me.
The whole thing just got tossed in here.
I'll fix it later.
Now whose pantry is this?
Not mine.
Martha says the first step to organize a pantry is to purge.
It's an interesting term you use.
What do you mean by that?
Well, there's things that have expiration dates.
Not everything should be thrown away because there's an expiration date on it.
Taste it.
See if the spice still has any volume.
Yes.
Volume, yes.
And any great flavor.
If it doesn't, chuck it.
Nuts, for example, we're going to chuck about nuts.
Come on over here.
Martha created a timeline.
Because in this image I just saw, I mean, there's some spices I'm sure that are older than me.
Who here has bay leaves that are years old?
I mean, Bailey's like the worst.
Right here, oh, I love this.
So we have a timeline.
Yeah, look at this.
You just mentioned this issue of expiration.
Some of these are surprising, but you say specifically, for example, nuts.
Yeah, nuts get rancid.
They're, you know, unsaturated fats, they're getting rancid immediately.
As soon as you open that vacuum pack, And most nuts come in vacuum packed cans nowadays, or if they're in a cellophane bag that's been, you know, open them, put them into a good airtight container, and I put them right in the freezer.
You do?
I do.
All right, so you got the headline for that.
Next thing is this issue about things like flour, whole wheat, whites, all that stuff.
Again.
Six to eight months at maximum because people think flour's gonna last forever.
It does not last forever.
I decant the flour.
If I have a five pound jar, I'll put five pounds in there.
The other five pounds go in a Ziploc into the freezer.
Perfect.
Now you mentioned decanting.
I want to go through this a little bit because you're very organized about this.
A lot of people decant and they muck it all up.
So if we take the nuts who are poor nuts, only two weeks of shelf life, what do you do?
So here's some walnuts.
I have walnuts already, but I'm gonna make some of walnut cake, a San Andre cake.
It's so good with browned walnuts.
So I buy these, and once I open it, I put them in the jar.
No, no, those are almonds.
You're mixing almonds with walnuts.
Now I'm gonna have to go through there and take every single almond out and put it in the almond jar.
Can you imagine?
All right.
And almonds actually...
I can't store almonds and walnuts together?
But almonds last a little longer.
You see that skin on them?
Yes.
They last a little longer in the open air than walnuts that have no skin on them.
I'm not going to do this for you.
You're going to do this.
All right.
You're staying after work and you're going to separate.
All right, so we poured it in there.
But then, I love my P-Touch machine.
Do you have a P-Touch machine?
You really own one of these devices?
I love P-Touch.
That's Brother P-Touch.
No.
You don't have one of these?
Of course not.
It prints out these really nice little labels.
See this?
You just print it out in whatever size you need.
You can either put it on the top, or if you're having these all lined up in your pantry, I would suggest just putting it right on the side.
It says walnuts.
And you can put the date on, too, if you'd like, because that really pays it.
It's really amazing.
Do your friends ever come over and get jealous?
What date are you putting?
That's the almond date.
I just put it like that.
You can't read that.
You can pull that off.
You know what?
He's acting because he is a physician, a surgeon.
You don't act like this in a surgery.
Oh, I can't take it.
That's how it should look.
All right, perfectly done.
But you don't have to use fancy jars either.
You can use any screw top jars, pickle jars that you've saved.
Wash them out really well in the dishwasher.
Make sure that they're really, really clean before you put things into them.
All right, how about the stations of our pantry?
This is an area which is a catastrophe for a lot of people's houses.
You ready for this?
Ta-da!
This is how Martha does it.
Isn't that nice?
It is sexy.
Yeah, it's really great.
And there's maximization of space.
Maximizing your shelving by using little shelving.
You can buy these in stores.
There are a lot of organizing stores around now.
And so this doubles your space.
And these trays, these are baking trays, like brownie trays.
But you know how olive oil and walnut oil and everything drips?
That always gets a drip.
I know, what a mess.
And then it's on your shelf.
These drip right into here.
You can put those in the dishwasher once every few months and wash them out.
But again, honey, sugar, all of that.
Decanted oats, granolas, bran flakes.
The potatoes and onions.
Oh, well, they're down in the dark.
When the doors are closed, they're in the dark.
That way they're not going to grow, because onions, as soon as they hit the sunlight, they start to grow.
Yeah, same with potatoes.
But they keep cool in the dark.
That's where you want to keep them.
Not in the refrigerator.
And then canned goods too.
Your spices are here.
Oh, it's magnetized.
Isn't that great?
And there's room for the door to close.
This is ours at Macy's.
It's really great.
And so it keeps them airtight.
Again, spices want to stay fresh that way.
And you really have a list like this?
Oh yeah.
Keep track.
As soon as you think something's gone.
Yeah, it can be here.
It can be on your desk.
It can be on a pad by the door.
So I surprised Martha at her house once.
It literally looks like this, everybody.
This is what her house looks like.
All right.
Up next.
And he snooped, too.
I did snoop.
I was terrible.
He was snooping around.
Is your medicine cabinet a hot mess?
How many of you have a medicine cabinet problem?
Lots.
Oh, yeah.
We have a surprise turn-in for a medicine cabinet makeover, and you have to see to believe, so stick around.
As Harvey Weinstein's trial gets underway in New York, he's charged with new sex crimes in LA. We sit down with another accuser as she reveals shocking details about her ordeal.
That's coming up on Tuesday.
Come on!
Get down!
A lot of pumpkin going on with you.
We're back with the one and only Martha Stewart, who is tackling the unhealthiest clutter hotspots in your home.
Now, we just saw how cluttered our medicine cabinets can get.
Why is this place the hardest to clean in the house?
Well, if you have a medicine cabinet, I don't have one.
You don't have it in the bathroom at all?
Nope.
Where do you put all that stuff?
I have beautiful shelves.
I think I sent you a picture of my shelves, and everything's on shelves, and I don't keep any medicines.
Aren't they beautiful?
They are beautiful, but you put things on them.
Yeah, and that's all skincare and creams and things for my face and my body.
What is the craziest thing you have in your bathroom?
In my bathroom, my cat.
My cat loves the bath.
She jumps into the bathtub while I'm taking a bath.
That's Empress Tang.
Her sister would never do that.
Cats don't like water normally.
But these Persians do, these particular kinds of Persians.
She just jumps in and floats like a cloud on the top of the water.
All right, so if you had a medicine cabinet, it would probably be neat, but most people have very messy medicine cabinets.
And right now we have a shot of a messy medicine cabinet from the bathroom of one of my audience members who's here.
There it is.
Yeah.
Who wants to own up to the fact that this is our medicine cabinet?
Who's taking it?
There she is.
Come on down.
Come on down, Anaya.
How did you get that picture?
Well, Anaya gave us the picture.
Guess who gave it to us, Anaya?
Oh, my God.
It's your husband, Roma.
There he is!
Look how happy he is!
Hi!
He's over the moon!
Oh my gosh!
What are you gonna say to him when you get home?
He's outing you.
I mean, oh my God, babe!
Like, that's such a surprise.
Oh my God!
Let's walk over here.
We made you a whole bathroom, Anaya, so Martha can teach you about this.
What is it about your medicine cabinet that drives you batty?
Well, with me, I obviously don't have too many medicines in there, so I guess I'm like Martha.
But all my stuff that I need on a daily basis is typically in that medicine cabinet.
So, like, a little bit of makeup.
Not too much, because I have a whole separate thing for the makeup.
If this was your medicine cabinet, you'd have...
I hope there's stuff in there.
I hope there is.
Perfect.
So I don't have toothpaste and stuff.
That's on a little thingy here.
But I have like rubbing alcohol.
I use that stuff very frequently.
I have a couple of band-aids, hair brushes, a couple of different ones.
But why doesn't yours look like this?
Martha, what have you done differently here?
Well, it's just things that you don't want, that aren't pretty.
Rubbing alcohol is not pretty to look at.
No.
And either is hydrogen peroxide.
But look, this maximizes space very nicely.
Oh, I never even saw that.
The back of the door, these are just inexpensive shelves.
And you paint them the same color as your door, and it's really nice.
So this is Martha's, look at that.
This is Martha's cabinet over there.
The actual shelves with stuff on them.
Yeah.
You'll see how neat she's got everything.
Oh, wow.
Meticulously designed.
Yeah, see that?
And it really keeps it right at eye level and right there at hand.
Let's finish up with bathroom storage.
Excess.
Excess.
Look at this.
Oh my gosh.
If you have room in your bathroom, and not everybody does, but if you have room, this little bar cart, this is my design.
Oh!
And this you can buy at Macy's.
And this is so beautiful.
And it's so colorful.
And when you're not using it in your bathroom, you can use it as a bar.
Exactly.
But the best part is, after you've been in the bar, with the bar cart, you have towels underneath it.
You have towels, you have your loofahs, your back.
So after the party, if you have guests who were not expecting to stay, but maybe they had a little too much to drink or something.
Can I tie a surgeon's knot in here?
That goes right on their bed.
Are you good at knots?
At bows.
Make a bow.
Not a knot because you want it.
It's a surgeon's knot.
You don't want it to come out.
Yes, you do.
Oh, gosh.
How are they going to get their towels out?
What if I threw knots like this in the OR? There.
That's so nice.
That's cute.
That's perfect.
Right on the bed.
Yeah.
And all these ideas are in that book, by the way.
This book is absolutely fantastic.
For more secrets on how to stay organized, check out Martha's wonderful new book.
It's called Martha Stewart's Organizing.
The manual for bringing order to your life, home, and routine.
Superbly well done.
We'll be right back.
I love having you here, Martha.
Oh, man.
-Thank you. -Thanks, Chalamet. I could feel my vision just started to close in.
Savannah Guthrie.
It started to get black.
On the accident that almost took her sight.
I was scared.
All new Oz.
That's coming up on Monday.
Over 15 million people watched a heartwarming video of 10-year-old Kimari Cooper on a fishing trip with his dad.
Now, while the fish he caught was unbelievably amazing, it was Kimari's ultimate display of compassion as he gently released the fish back into the water that won people's hearts.
Take a look.
I knew I was gonna get one today, folks!
Yes, sir.
Let's put this beauty back in the water.
My present of best.
I hope you grow even bigger, baby.
Look at her, y'all.
Look, she's so big and beautiful.
I hope you go back and be better.
One day we're going to meet back again.
That's all right.
I'll see you later.
Isn't that cute?
Kimari and his dad, Velt, join us via Zoom.
So, Kimari, what made you want to send that fish back into the world after catching him?
When I released it, it made my heart smile.
It made my heart smile bigger than when I released that vase.
That's so cute.
I know exactly how hard it is to do that.
Kimari, I'm gonna tell you a story, Kimari.
I go fishing with my son, Oliver, right?
One of the favorite things I do.
And I always tell Oliver, it's not the fish I'm trying to catch, it's you.
So do you love fishing with your dad, Kimari?
Yes, sir.
Yeah, that's the biggest blessing of all.
And Val, what does it mean to go fishing with your son?
Well, you know, fishing with my son, it means the world to me.
I know we'll always have this father and son relationship bond.
Well, Bell, I'm very proud of you.
It's wonderful mentoring.
And I gotta say, Kimari, you're a special, special person.
God bless you.
I hope you do meet that fish again.
Remember, everybody, the power of one lies the power you just saw with Kimari.
Just one person with one voice speaking the truth.
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