The Betches are social media powerhouses who aren’t afraid to speak their minds, no matter the topic. In this interview, Aleen Kuperman and Samantha Fishbein reveal their struggle with emotional eating, and share their message for those who are constantly on a diet. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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| Just telling people that they're not alone in thinking, like, I have to be skinny. | |
| Like, at first, let's tell everyone, like, you don't have to be... | |
| Who told you that you need to be whatever size? | |
| Society. | |
| Right? | |
| We should change our mindsets a bit. | |
| And I think that's step one, is changing our expectations. | |
| That's when I'm most disappointed, is when I have such high expectations for anything. | |
| So why not change that? | |
| Hey, everyone. everyone. | |
| I'm Dr. Oz, and this is the Dr. Oz Podcast. | |
| Their witty words and starky satirical outlook on life has taken the internet by storm. | |
| The Betches are a social media powerhouse, and they aren't afraid to speak their minds, no matter what the topic. | |
| Today, Aileen Cooperman, Samantha Fishbein are both here. | |
| Their third cohort ran away from us, Jordana Abraham. | |
| So we're not going to even mention her name again. | |
| And they're here to reveal the details of their latest project, the wildly successful and refreshingly Welcome to my show! | |
| Oh, wow. | |
| That's so exciting. | |
| So, Betch. | |
| What is a Betch? | |
| Well, we've been asked this question for the last seven years since we started it, but to us, it's really just like a very self-aware, empowered woman. | |
| It can be a young woman, it can be any walk of life, wherever she is, so any stage of life. | |
| So she just really owns whatever she does, and yeah. | |
| Are they perceived, these women, as being Betches? | |
| Yeah, I think so. | |
| When we started this website, which is what it started as, the betch was a satirical version of sort of like the female millennial. | |
| And we were kind of poking fun at and making fun of her behaviors, which we shared, but not in a way that was like critical. | |
| It was just sort of a place where people could read about themselves and laugh at their, you know, the way they are without taking themselves too seriously. | |
| Yeah. | |
| I think we may have born a few Betches into the world. | |
| I think we have three Betches, three Betch daughters. | |
| Yeah, I mean, I'm sure. | |
| So you guys sound off on fashion, on pop culture, on lots of topics. | |
| Do you ever get nervous that you'll upset people? | |
| Yeah, we do. | |
| We don't really want to be offensive for no reason. | |
| We try to steer clear of being mean or saying things that are intentionally hurtful. | |
| We try to keep everything kind of light and funny and poking fun at things, but not in a way that's meant to be hurtful. | |
| And really, we're just trying to say what people are thinking, but just say it out loud, again, without offending anyone. | |
| So really, we're just trying to be as honest as possible. | |
| And I think that's what's kept us here for this long. | |
| So I was going to ask you about The Bachelor, but instead, I'm going to focus on dieting. | |
| Okay. | |
| Which is the topic that you guys have just gotten yourselves engaged into. | |
| And Lisa, you were listening this morning. | |
| What did you think about the podcast so far? | |
| I loved it. | |
| I didn't want to just forget when we arrived. | |
| I was like, can we just sit in the car for a few more minutes? | |
| Yeah. | |
| That's a huge compliment. | |
| Thank you. | |
| Huge compliment. | |
| That was awesome. | |
| By the way, everything you guys are saying, all I was thinking is, I'm almost 55 years old, and I haven't figured it out yet, so anyone listening... | |
| Get with it because you guys are what, like 25? | |
| About to turn 30. The audible gasp in the room. | |
| But you know what? | |
| If you don't figure out at your stage, you'll still be trying to figure out at mine. | |
| So I think it's a big deal for most women. | |
| Well, thank you. | |
| So what have been your big discoveries, the epiphanies that drove you forward? | |
| I would say the fact that what we were, I mean, especially when it comes to dieting and lifestyle and wellness, probably that more people share our experience than we even realized. | |
| And we get messages, emails, DMs from people saying, like, I thought I was the only person who felt this way. | |
| I thought I was... | |
| You know, crazy and hearing you say the same exact things that I think has been really refreshing. | |
| Just in line with what you were saying, we just got an email a few days ago from someone. | |
| She's like, just so you know, you probably aren't expecting to get an email from someone who's 60 years old, but I have been listening to your podcast and I just want to say that I completely relate to it. | |
| I have like three daughters and two grandkids. | |
| Yeah, and she's like, I still haven't figured it out yet either. | |
| Yeah. | |
| And that was both encouraging but depressing. | |
| We could get to that point and still not have it figured out. | |
| But maybe there's another way of thinking about it. | |
| Maybe we don't need to figure it out or be so stressed about it. | |
| And so that's kind of what we're doing. | |
| I mean, we didn't start this podcast saying that we knew everything at all. | |
| all. | |
| The whole point is that we didn't know anything and that like specifically social media and Instagram is like even is hurting us because like everyone looks so perfect on there. | |
| And we're, and we're, we were, we sit next to each other every day and we're like, did you see what this person posted? | |
| This is such crap. | |
| Like, how is this wellness? | |
| Like you put rose petals in your bath. | |
| Like, I'm like, where do you even get rose petals? | |
| Did you pluck them individually off the rose? | |
| There's a staff that does that. | |
| Instagram is a business. | |
| You guys realize it, right? | |
| Somebody's picking those rose petals, sprinkling them, and someone else is taking the picture, and someone else is photoshopping it. | |
| The whole point of wellness is self-care and all of that. | |
| Taking a photo of yourself while you're in the bath is the antithesis of self-care. | |
| Your phone should be in the other room. | |
| So that's really what inspired us to do it is because we didn't even know all these people felt this way. | |
| We casually mentioned we both lost weight like years ago in one of our other podcasts and then a few people wrote to us saying like, please tell us more. | |
| So we dedicated another episode to that and we had like an influx of emails saying... | |
| I feel you. | |
| I feel you. | |
| And we're like, this is crazy. | |
| So we were like, let's just maybe start a podcast, see how it goes. | |
| There's no risk in it. | |
| And it sort of has been blowing up. | |
| And we're really, really excited about it. | |
| But again, we're just trying to figure it out the same way everyone else is. | |
| Samantha, what does the word diet mean to you? | |
| I mean, I have like 15 years of unhealthy connotations with the word diet. | |
| So, I mean, I think about the way I thought about a diet when I was 13, where it was like pure and like, oh, I'm going to like eat salads and healthy. | |
| But now the way I feel about it is that because I've been through so many diets, I've read books. | |
| I feel like I've tried everything. | |
| I've struggled. | |
| I've been heavier. | |
| I've been lighter. | |
| I've done every workout under the sun. | |
| So now I sort of have this feeling of dread when... | |
| I'm like, oh, another time when I'm going to feel like I'm restricting myself and starving myself. | |
| But I mean, since starting this podcast, my feelings have really changed when it comes to wellness and lifestyle and what the word diet means. | |
| Now I'm sort of trying to look at it as a journey that I don't have to subscribe to the old way that I used to think about diets, and I'm working on really thinking about it as concentrating on health as opposed to like, oh, I need to get to the scale number. | |
| Aileen, how did you lose the weight? | |
| I don't know. | |
| I psyched myself out. | |
| Amputation. | |
| Exactly. | |
| I just lost a limb. | |
| It works. | |
| It was a mind state. | |
| I was like 24, and I was just like, I need... | |
| I want to... | |
| Find a boyfriend. | |
| And like, I was just like, let's just do this. | |
| And it was a very extreme. | |
| And I thinking back to my like, I've read also books, and they say that like, the worst thing you could do is lose so much weight once and then later on be like, Oh, I could do it then now. | |
| And then every single time now, it's like this discouragement, like you can't do it again. | |
| And so same with Sammy, I'm totally burnt out. | |
| Yeah. | |
| Dieting, every time we talk about, like, all these diets, like keto and whatever, we're like, do we have to do this our whole lives? | |
| Like, what do you mean? | |
| Yeah. | |
| And so that's why, like, dieting has to change. | |
| Like, it has to be just about, like, living instead of dieting. | |
| Up next, the Betches reveal their truth about social media and the world of dieting. | |
| and their message for all of you scrolling on Instagram right now. | |
| I gotta say, I've done my share of weight loss topics, and I've written countless books on the topic. | |
| The secret to me is when it's so easy you don't notice you're on it. | |
| So it might be that the paleo diet is the way to go there. | |
| You never know. | |
| Or, you know, you go on a zone program or a sugar buster. | |
| Pick whatever program you want. | |
| It doesn't really matter. | |
| Every single diet that's been studied works if you can stay on it. | |
| But most people can't stay on those diets because it's not the right diet for them. | |
| That's why I'm curious from a young woman's perspective how this all plays out. | |
| And I think that... | |
| It's a lot easier if you don't have social media sometimes. | |
| A, you're being tracked by people you don't know. | |
| You often build that up into this huge shadow in your mind. | |
| But secondly, it's becoming a problem, I think, because we were alluding to earlier. | |
| Rose petals in the tub are the tip of the iceberg. | |
| It's the photoshopped version of a person or a story that you think is representative of who you should be. | |
| And you start to compete with that mirage. | |
| It's hard to compete with a dream. | |
| Yeah. | |
| I mean, so just going back to the point about social media and influencers, it's one thing if you're like, okay, I'm going to take this pretty photo of this bath with the rose petals, but it's another when people start to look at that as a standard and then they are comparing themselves to a standard that they can't meet. | |
| And it's sort of, I mean, just even going back to like dieting and the feeling of being burnt out, it's like... | |
| You're putting so much pressure on yourself. | |
| I have to get to this place. | |
| I have to be this person. | |
| And what I find is that in reality, it'll be I'll go on a diet and then I'll go off it. | |
| And then my mind is so excited to me in the off season. | |
| That I'll go crazy, like cake for lunch crazy, actually. | |
| And it's because I've trained myself to expect starvation to come just around the corner. | |
| In a few weeks, I could just start starving myself again. | |
| Not really literally starving myself, but... | |
| and my body is aware of that after like years and years and what I really want to do is undo that pattern so that it's not like this this insane wave where I'm like insanely strict and and then like completely let go over and over again and also like the older we get like I just feel like we don't want to affect our children with these like awful like thoughts yeah You have kids yet? | |
| No. | |
| That's what I'm saying. | |
| I'm scared already. | |
| Just wait. | |
| There's, like, extra anxiety. | |
| But I look at my mom, who, by the way, is a huge fan and freaking out that I'm here today. | |
| Like, she records her show. | |
| Samantha, come on. | |
| She literally would have come. | |
| She records her show in my apartment so that she can watch it when she's there. | |
| I see that I have so many habits that I've gotten from her. | |
| Even the specific bad habits I have are the ones she has because this is what I grew up with. | |
| We've talked about dieting our whole lives. | |
| I think some of it's genetic. | |
| I actually think we're so hardwired on some topics. | |
| And we have a lot of flexibility, obviously. | |
| You can mess the good thing up. | |
| But some of the inherent characteristics we take into life are without question genetically driven. | |
| Thank goodness for epigenetics. | |
| Yes. | |
| So if you deal with it now, your kids don't have to. | |
| Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | |
| Yeah, I mean, just even, like, we've read a lot and have spoken to a bunch of experts about, like, the relationship between, like, mothers and kids and how, like, when a kid is young, they think they're part of the mother. | |
| So if the mother looks at their body and is like, I don't like what I see, I need to go on some extreme diet. | |
| Like, the kid, me, you, picks that up from a young age. | |
| So you almost don't even know what life is like. | |
| Without that. | |
| So how do you change that narrative? | |
| How do you use your podcast, social media, to motivate people in the right way without making them feel less than? | |
| Yeah. | |
| I feel like we're still in stage one of that. | |
| I feel like right now we're just, everyone is not alone. | |
| And with all the guests that we have, like, talking about various diets that they prescribe to, we're finding that there's not one diet that works. | |
| Like you were saying, like, pick whatever one works for you. | |
| You just have to choose what's right for you. | |
| So I feel like just telling people that they're not alone in thinking, like, That this is so scary. | |
| Dieting is like, I have to be skinny. | |
| Like, at first, let's tell everyone, like, you don't have to be... | |
| Who told you that you need to be whatever size? | |
| Society. | |
| Right. | |
| We've been... | |
| Whenever people ask, I've been thinking about this lately, like, what's your goal weight? | |
| My goal weight has been the same since I was, like, maybe 15. So, like, maybe, like, we should change our mindsets a bit. | |
| And I think that's step one, is, like, just sort of changing our expectations for yourself. | |
| And that's when I am most disappointed, is when I have such high expectations for anything. | |
| So why not change that for this? | |
| And maybe they'll figure out what step two is. | |
| Lisa's the expert on this. | |
| On dieting, because I just diet my whole life. | |
| That is true. | |
| Tell us about it. | |
| But she's also an expert on psychology and religion. | |
| I think Young said when there's a why, there'll always be a how. | |
| And I think for a lot of people who are dieting, they don't work the why out. | |
| I mean, for me personally, the only why is to be healthier, right? | |
| If I'm a diabetic or I have high blood pressure, if there's a medical reason to lose the weight, otherwise there's nothing healthier than having a good time with your friends and food is part of that equation. | |
| So how do you explain to a millennial, a beach, a betch audience? | |
| You're going to be the beaches from now on. | |
| Yeah, I'm going to go to the beach. | |
| Yeah, betch without an A. How do you explain to the other betchers out there what the why is? | |
| I honestly think something that really resonated with me, I read this book called Beauty Sick about a few weeks ago. | |
| It was about how the cultural obsession with appearance is hurting women. | |
| So it had sort of even a bit of a feminist message. | |
| And something that I took from it was that I have spent so many hours of my life that I cannot get back worrying about how I look, what I'm going to eat, how many drinks am I going to have when I go out with friends, so that I'm not thinking about my friends. | |
| I'm thinking about what am I drinking, how many calories. | |
| I can't live my life like this anymore. | |
| I'm thinking about what I could be doing with that time, what I could be achieving with our business or in my relationships and just contributing something to the world that I can offer more to. | |
| I don't think I'm here to offer my appearance to the world. | |
| I'm not a model. | |
| You are a model to me. | |
| Thank you. | |
| No, but I don't even mean that in a self-deprecating way. | |
| I mean it like, I have strengths in this world that I'm not building because I'm staring in the mirror. | |
| And it's like, why is that important? | |
| It's even hard to be in the present when you're walking down the street and you find a reflective surface. | |
| Yeah. | |
| And you just, like, check out your parts that you, like, feel uncomfortable about. | |
| And, like, I noticed this yesterday. | |
| It was, like, a beautiful sunset. | |
| Like, I was, like, walking around. | |
| I took my Insta story. | |
| I put my phone away. | |
| And then I noticed, like, a reflective surface in a store. | |
| And I, like, looked at it. | |
| I'm, like, here's a sunset. | |
| But here's my, like, part that I think is too large or whatever. | |
| And it's so hard to be present in, like, now when you're just so obsessed with how you look. | |
| And no one else is except you. | |
| Yeah. | |
| Sounds like I'm talking to my wife. | |
| Lisa, she happens to be here. | |
| Thoughts on this? | |
| It does sound uncannily familiar. | |
| Yeah, I haven't found a solution. | |
| Let me know when you guys figure it out. | |
| I end up facing it in a different way. | |
| Oh, you mean you're paying the price? | |
| Is that why you're going to whine? | |
| Are you going to whine about something now? | |
| I'm about to start whining. | |
| It's just fun. | |
| I'm a match. | |
| Invariably, she won't get in the picture with me. | |
| They're beautiful. | |
| We were in this Quebec type of place, this oldest civilization known to man. | |
| And we were trying to get pictures. | |
| And it had to be the exact same. | |
| It didn't matter to us. | |
| Am I looking at me asking? | |
| I hadn't showered in three days. | |
| I had not seen a hair dryer. | |
| There was no makeup on the horizon. | |
| It had, well, it wasn't about a diet. | |
| I didn't look so hot either. | |
| We stepped in a room on the Syrian border without air conditioning. | |
| It's so wrong. | |
| Have you ever sweat your night away? | |
| You're sweating so profusely that you can't sleep. | |
| I thought I looked more like Indiana Jones with that appearance because I was so disheveled. | |
| Maybe my stubble was uneven. | |
| I've been sweated on so much. | |
| I wasn't going for that look, actually. | |
| But she's worried that I'm going to post a picture, which I would. | |
| Which you would. | |
| I absolutely would. | |
| And then people are going to tweet back, you look terrible, like you haven't showered in three days. | |
| Like they haven't said that before. | |
| What was the comment about your hair you made? | |
| My hair, it was all frizzed up. | |
| She said it was cadaveric, I think. | |
| I mean, okay, you're, like, insanely naturally beautiful. | |
| Right, I was thinking that when you came out feeding Sammy's dog. | |
| Yeah, I'm like, you are insanely naturally beautiful, and the fact that, like, you would have insecurities about your appearance, like, miss out on taking a photo in this oldest civilization, is, like, such a shame, because I feel like that wouldn't be something that you wouldn't think if it weren't for social media. | |
| I would be happily, I would happily take a picture. | |
| Anyone else on the planet who wanted to take a picture with me, I would jump in the picture, and we would have a memento of our time together. | |
| The problem with being in a picture with this guy is that it's immediately up on Instagram and then I'm sharing it with 6 million people. | |
| Why would I want to do that? | |
| Yeah, because social media speaks to the pressure of social media, basically. | |
| But in fairness, and you guys are in this space, and for everyone listening, I just want you all, because I talk to people who have 50 followers. | |
| It's the same dynamic. | |
| It doesn't really matter. | |
| You'll get 49 hearts, love, beautiful, fantastic. | |
| I'm so proud of you. | |
| And one person says, which usually, by the way, it's not about you at all. | |
| It's about them. | |
| When someone says something nasty, which happens all the time to me, the reason it doesn't bother me, it used to, but the reason it doesn't bother me as much is I realize it's not me. | |
| I couldn't have changed that. | |
| The comment is so irrelevant to the picture or the video, it doesn't really matter. | |
| Now listen, I've talked, there's a mutual friend of ours who's very well known, who you both know, just to protect his privacy, I won't mention him, but what he said was very wise. | |
| He said the biggest challenge in life is to differentiate people giving you advice that they're giving for the right motivation and with the right insights from people who are just having issues. | |
| And you don't want to take their advice because it's not on target. | |
| It's irrelevant to you, plus it'll drive you batty. | |
| So how do you guys differentiate that? | |
| When someone sees a picture of you and sends it back and says, you know, your reflection in the mirror, I can see the sunset in the distance, but I really didn't like the way your ankles didn't look good. | |
| I mean, it makes you feel terrible. | |
| We've totally gotten called out by trolls on Instagram, and it makes you feel awful no matter how many people like you and tell you you're amazing. | |
| It's so on point that you ignore all the positive comments. | |
| You just focus on the one negative by a person you don't know. | |
| We're hardwired by that. | |
| Just to be real clear on the doctor's side, we are hardwired to that. | |
| You don't track all the successful things that happen on the way to work. | |
| All the times it wasn't a car accident or a bad driver in front of you. | |
| There's no reason to. | |
| You don't have bandwidth that you only track the negatives. | |
| Unfortunately, in social media, it accelerates that process so much. | |
| But I'm curious, how do you guys cope with that? | |
| I mean, I think in some ways that having this company and having this job has made us see kind of like how the sausage is made, so to speak. | |
| So, whereas, like, if we weren't doing this job, we might be a little bit even more vain and more self-obsessed with our social media. | |
| Even more of a bitch. | |
| Or a besh. | |
| Because I think it's given us a sense of, like, self-awareness in a way that's like, okay, this... | |
| This doesn't matter. | |
| You don't want to be this person in real life just so you can look like this person in digital fake life. | |
| Digital reality is not real. | |
| You can't hold it. | |
| You can't touch it. | |
| That's not the actual person. | |
| The actual person is like the people sitting in a real space in their life. | |
| So, kind of trying to remember that this is fake. | |
| There's nothing real about it. | |
| What you're seeing is not real. | |
| What you're seeing of everyone else's life is a very beautiful portrayal. | |
| But it was supposed to be. | |
| I just want to get back to this issue because I know that's said often. | |
| Just an example. | |
| When we were making this trip to the Syrian border, the pictures we took, I tried to make them reflective of what was really happening. | |
| There's no question. | |
| There's many times where I'm not trying to make... | |
| If I'm taking a picture at the Emmy Awards... | |
| Wait, you tried? | |
| The people taking pictures of me. | |
| Which was who? | |
| My producer, Lisa, slash wife. | |
| She's my business manager, too. | |
| I would love to hear about what it's like working as a husband and wife team, but that might be for a different podcast. | |
| We need security first. | |
| You have to be chaperoned on that. | |
| But the picture, we were actually trying to show what was happening. | |
| That was the whole point. | |
| Admittedly, if you're in an Emmy Awards ceremony, you're not taking the picture of yourself waiting in line in the heat, because it's always in Los Angeles. | |
| Mm-hmm. | |
| You know, I get that. | |
| Why would I take a picture of that and bore you? | |
| So it makes it look all glamorous that I'm, you know, on the red carpet to step and repeat and that I get. | |
| But if you're taking pictures in theory about your weight loss, back to the topic that you guys are engaged in, I would hope you'd be honest because that's the whole reason to tell this story. | |
| And yet, I know that's a tug of war that goes on. | |
| And so I'm curious for people who are successful at it like you, how you manage that? | |
| How do you portray to your fans what's really going down in your life? | |
| The fact that, as an example, something I only learned from my audience, Rob Is that dieting is lonely. | |
| Yeah. | |
| That part doesn't get talked about at all. | |
| It's not just that you can't have a drink or worried about having a drink, but since you don't go for the drink, you're not with your friends who are having drinks. | |
| Aileen's out there partying it up, washing the sunset, and Samantha's at home counting calories in her tequila. | |
| Yeah. | |
| I mean, I've gained some weight back, and I'm like, again, I'm still so obsessed with trying to To get it off. | |
| But at the same time, that's why we started the podcast. | |
| So it's like... | |
| So because when we speak, we don't actually speak like we look like on Instagram. | |
| We're actually telling stories that happen in the day. | |
| Like how we're feeling. | |
| And that's, I think, the real... | |
| That's the reality. | |
| Is like, okay, so I posted a cute photo. | |
| Like you said, nobody wants to post where they're struggling or having a bad day. | |
| Because then people are like... | |
| If she was actually struggling, she wouldn't post it, you know? | |
| That's weird. | |
| That turns me off. | |
| But so when we talk about it and there's two people who are friends, who can relate to each other, I think that's how we can send that message that not everybody's alone. | |
| Because when we realized we weren't alone, it made us feel really good. | |
| So hopefully it makes everyone who listens feel good. | |
| We've also known each other since we were in middle school. | |
| We've been on diets together since we were in middle school. | |
| And we bicker. | |
| It's not like working with a colleague as much. | |
| We bicker. | |
| That's the meme. | |
| I want to see that on you now. | |
| We were bickering. | |
| I mean, you don't see a lot of, like, therapist appointments and fights with people's boyfriends or seeing others on Instagram. | |
| But you know that that's happening. | |
| Like, no one goes through life unscathed. | |
| So if people can't, like, you have to just know intellectually that everyone is dealing with these things. | |
| They're just not showing it. | |
| Yeah. | |
| Just have to keep that in mind. | |
| We have a lot more to talk about, but first, let's take a quick break. | |
| As you mentioned middle school, Here's a recent Instagram post of yours. | |
| My eating habits range from supermodel yoga enthusiasts to hungry, unsupervised child, middle school child age, in a candy store. | |
| So how do you guys identify with that? | |
| As betches. | |
| It's like, it's totally a mindset. | |
| It's like, I'm being good or I'm being bad. | |
| And like, that's what we're trying to struggle with or like trying to figure out is like, can't we just not be anything and just be ourselves? | |
| Like, can't we just live? | |
| Like, sometimes I'm going to eat some food and sometimes I'm going to eat a little healthier food or a little worse. | |
| I think it probably has to do with the way we grew up and like the restrictiveness of like either our parents or whatever. | |
| I just had this memory the other day that like my mom would punish me When I was in trouble or something, she would say, like, no sweets. | |
| I obviously wanted those sweets. | |
| And I would romanticize about whatever candy or chocolate I wanted to eat. | |
| Fast forward to 20, 30 years later, all I want is chocolate. | |
| So, I mean, it makes sense. | |
| And I think it definitely has to do with restrictions. | |
| And dieting is the reason why we're dieting. | |
| Because we were on diets before... | |
| Now we're still on diets. | |
| So we just, we started reading this book, Intuitive Eating, and I think it has something there, you know, how like you just have to get rid of diets. | |
| Yeah, I mean, so that book, which we're in the middle of, and we're still kind of exploring, so... | |
| There could be a twist at the end that we don't agree with. | |
| There could be a twist that we decide... | |
| It's a murder mystery. | |
| Yeah, we just had that we're not into it. | |
| But it has really opened my eyes to this sort of idea that the dieting I've done is actually what's formed these habits that, like you said, make it very hard to have a healthy relationship with food. | |
| And so now I'm trying to focus on having a healthy relationship with food. | |
| I see food as just something in your life. | |
| You could have healthy relationships with people. | |
| You could have healthy relationships with money or your self-image or that sort of thing. | |
| And just trying to fit it and work on it in that way so that it's not this, I don't want to have anxiety about food for the rest of my life. | |
| Mm-hmm. | |
| It's so painful. | |
| It is so fundamentally important to us as a species to be able to celebrate around food and to be able to enjoy that moment, even with day-to-day, meal-to-meal, that it's tragic when it turns into a diet battle. | |
| And that's why I mentioned loneliness earlier. | |
| It's one of the reasons I think diets ultimately won't work. | |
| But the beautiful thing about food is when you do figure it out, and I'm assuming the betches will, that I share all the secrets of all of you. | |
| It's an orgasmic experience. | |
| Anyway, it's been wonderful having you on the podcast. | |
| Thank you. | |
| Thank you so much. | |
| Thank you. | |
| It's been awesome. | |
| I just want to say that bad word once. | |
| What? | |
| Betches? | |
| Beaches? | |
| Biatches. | |
| Biatches. |