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Dec. 10, 2025 - Owen Shroyer Live

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Dr. Victory Exposes How The Childhood Vaccine Schedule Is Dangerous And Must Be Reevaluated

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owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		It's good morning to our friends on the West Coast and it's good afternoon to our friends on the East Coast.
		It's another episode of Ask the Doctor brought to you by the Wellness Company.
		Our doctor guest today were rejoined by Dr. Kelly Victory and we were having some interesting conversations before the show got started here.
		And the two things that we're going to talk about today, and this is what I had planned on talking about last night when I was doing some show prep is the childhood vaccine schedule.
		And it just so happened that last week, Dr. Diaz and I were talking about how the HEP B vaccine needed to be removed from the vaccine schedule.
		And now here we are today.
		They've actually done that.
		So we are going to get into that, but there's some big breaking news.
		In fact, I'll brag a little bit here.
		I even scooped Dr. Victory.
		I even scooped Dr. Kelly Victory on this Wednesday morning about the vaccine news, which is, here are a couple of the headlines.
		FDA expands COVID vaccine injury to adult deaths.
		After claiming that COVID shots killed children, FDA says it is also looking at other age groups.
		All right, Dr. Victory, you know, it's amazing that this isn't a bigger story.
		And for somebody, for somebody like me, I'm news-minded, right?
		I'm news.
		I'm current events, but you're a doctor.
		You're in the field.
		You're talking to other doctors.
		You're in that bubble, if you will.
		Is this news big?
		Is this news hitting your world?
		Are doctors talking about it?
		I mean, because I'm seeing this from a news perspective, and I'm like, this is huge.
		This is a huge story with huge implications, Dr. Victory.
unidentified		Well, thanks, as always, for having me, Owen.
		Unfortunately, there are two very clear factions in this world of vaccines, and specifically with the COVID vaccines.
		There are people like myself and my colleagues who have known from day one, before the first vaccine was put in somebody's arm, that the COVID vaccines were going to be an abject failure.
		We have known that the mRNA is a very, very lousy platform.
		It has not been well vetted.
		Sometimes it has met with horrific outcomes.
		And we've seen that from the beginning with these COVID shots.
		The fact that they are now finally starting to address and at least acknowledge, you know, the first last week was about the 10, quote, deaths in children that they acknowledge.
		And we can get into that and why that's such a gross underestimation.
		But now, as you said just this morning, coming out and expanding that coverage or that exposure to other age groups, the reality is that there have been millions of people worldwide killed by this vaccine.
		And in the United States alone, the best estimate would be somewhere in the range of 600,000 deaths.
		We extrapolated that from the VERES data and knowing how underreported things are to VERES to come up with that number.
		That is not something I just pulled out of the air.
		So we're talking something in the range of, you know, two-thirds of a million Americans killed by this shot.
		And just today, here we are, December of 2025, they're finally starting to acknowledge, oh, there might be some deaths from this, as if this is, you know, new.
		That said, you know, the talking heads on the other side are still out there promoting this shot, suggesting this shot.
		There are many people who I know personally who are in their sixth, seventh, eighth booster for this.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		We're talking a COVID.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
		Oh, yeah.
		They can't get enough.
		And they have really, they drank the Kool-Aid.
		They do not believe what we are reporting.
		And unfortunately, I see it almost every day, certainly every week, yet another patient or close associate who has seen a patient die or be injured clearly associated with these vaccines.
		I just had two people in my community last week, early 60s, fitted spittals, both collapsed and died while exercising.
		One hiking, one playing tennis.
		These did not happen like this.
		Sudden cardiac death, you know, dropping dead on the tennis court, dropping dead while out hiking was something that was a rarity.
		It's not rare anymore, and it clearly is associated with the vaccine.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, and I'm looking at some of the news coming out of this administration, and, you know, there's definitely, there's definitely the good guys are in there.
		I have no doubts that the good guys are in there.
		It does seem, though, that there's still a lot of pressure.
		There's a lot of pressure there.
		And I look at somebody like Dr. Marty McAray, who goes on the Patrick Bett David podcast and says things that I'm like, this is revolutionary stuff.
		This is the type of stuff that has really been hid from the public.
		I would even say has been hidden from most doctors even.
		They don't hear this stuff.
		And it's major implications.
		You just talked about the VARES report.
		You know, this is stuff that you would usually kind of have like a red alert reaction.
		Like this is kind of an emergency reaction.
		But it's odd that I don't see that sense of urgency from the Maha movement inside of the administration.
		It's like, okay, we know all of this is going on.
		We're admitting the vaccine deaths are happening.
		We're admitting that the big pharmaceutical companies were hiding some of the studies that they had.
		We know that the Biden administration was also hiding some of the numbers that they had as far as safety is concerned.
		So to me, this is more than just, okay, we've got a story to talk about today.
		I mean, to me, this is like, where do you go?
		Is this a malpractice issue?
		Is this lawsuit against the vaccine manufacturers?
		Oh, look, they've got legal liability protection.
		To me, I see this stuff and I'm like, well, hold on.
		This is not just a headline for us to talk about.
		There needs to be some response here.
		There needs to be some reaction to try to right this wrong.
		And I mean, isn't that what normally happens when you have a medical issue like this?
unidentified		Absolutely.
		Let me put a little bit different perspective on this, indulgement, if you will.
		Roll this back many decades.
		This problem with vaccines and with dishonesty, corruption, graft in medical science did not start with COVID, Owen.
		I was lied to in medical school.
		I was trained like all other doctors were trained.
		For example, and I acknowledge it, I was on the record prior to COVID for saying things like, we have an entire generation of people who are too young to remember that we had a president in a wheelchair from polio, and it was the polio vaccine that eliminated the scourge of polio, except that that was a lie.
		That's what I was taught, but it isn't true.
		I was taught that the polio vaccine and the measles vaccines were responsible for plummeting severe illness and deaths from those diseases when that simply isn't the case.
		Severe illness and death from both polio and measles, for example, had all but gone to zero prior to the rollout of the respective vaccines.
		And it was secondary to improved sanitation, better living conditions, clean water, advent of antibiotics, those sorts of things.
		So I was trained to believe the vaccine, the religion of vaccines.
		And so this way, it's very, very hard to unseat that now.
		Fast forward to COVID, you have generations with a plural of physicians and healthcare practitioners who were taught that vaccines were really, you know, God's gift to humanity and saved us all from dying.
		Until it wasn't until COVID that I really did the deep dive and said, wait a minute, what actually is the truth?
		I started reading books like Turtles All the Way Down.
		I started understanding that there has never been a single randomized control trial compared to a placebo for any of the vaccines, not a one of them.
		Okay.
		They were all tested against another vaccine, which is ridiculous.
		That's like, you know, if you wanted to prove that, you know, drinking whiskey doesn't cause car accidents, you can't use vodka as your placebo.
		Okay.
		Because if everybody drinks, you've got to use, you know, water.
		You've got to use something that couldn't possibly cause that complication.
		So this goes very deep.
		And we are having to expose, therefore, not only the problems with the COVID vaccine, which are multiple and overwhelming and horrific, but we've got to really unwind decades and decades of misinformation and disinformation that was taught not just to the public, but to the practitioners themselves.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, and you're kind of getting into this phenomenon of corruption in the medical study field.
		And it's kind of, you know, it's kind of like this, this meme that goes around.
		I guess we call them memes now.
		And it's like, hey, you think that only politicians can be bought off and corrupted?
		No scientists can too.
		And so what you're describing here is this phenomenon where they will do these studies, only it's all a production, right?
		They do these studies, but they're not actually trying to get an organic result.
		They already have the result in mind.
		And then they just do the study to frame that result that they want to present to the public.
		And I guess as you're describing now, as you're describing it now, also they want to present that to people as they're coming up through medical school.
		So by the time you're actually in the practice, you've been multi-layered, indoctrinated into this system.
		A lot of people now call it this religion of big pharma.
		And I think it is to a certain degree.
		Well, what about this?
		What do we do?
		I know that RFK Jr. is well aware of this stuff.
		He's been talking about it for years.
		So it's like, what do you do to clean up this field now where they will do these studies that are really just propaganda?
		They just do these studies to get the desired results so that they can sell a product and teach young doctors in medical school that this product is great.
		What do you do to solve that process?
unidentified		Well, as you said, Bobby Kennedy is aware of it.
		I know Bobby personally, and he and I have discussed this very issue.
		The part, the issue really gets back to big pharma's intrusion into all of medical science.
		Number one, everybody knows big pharma owns the mainstream media.
		They provide 70% of the marketing dollars for most news stations.
		Therefore, those that people on those stations will never say anything negative about any pharmaceutical product because they would lose the advertising dollars.
		That practice, pharmaceutical advertising on television, is only allowed in two countries in the world, the United States and New Zealand.
		Every other country has outlawed it for specifically that reason, because you cannot have integrity in the media if big pharma owns that media.
		Number two, big pharma is the biggest contributor to the quote medical journals.
		The once storied medical journals, the Lancet, BMJ, New England Journal of Medicine, they have become nothing more than the marketing rags for big pharma.
		God help you trying to get a quote study published in any of those journals if it doesn't come to the conclusion that the pharmaceutical company paid for it to come to.
		So I always prided myself as a young scientist because I didn't just listen to what my professor said.
		I actually went to the journals.
		I read the studies, but I didn't understand that the quote study I was reading was a marketing piece.
		And then thirdly, big pharma is the biggest contributor to all of the medical schools.
		They provide the millions of dollars to Duke, Stanford, Princeton, Yale, all of their big scientific laboratories are funded by Big Pharma.
		So the professors there, you know, they get their money.
		All of their grants, quote unquote, come through big pharma.
		And therefore, you would need to eliminate all of those things.
		One of the things that Bobby Kennedy told me back when he was still running for president is that were he to be elected, that one of the first things he would do is call all of the editors of the big medical journals, those ones I just rattled off, and tell them that they need to disarticulate their relationship with the pharmaceutical industry, or he was going to bring a RICO case against them.
		He was going to call it racketeering, which I thought was a brilliant concept because that's fundamentally what it is.
		You are owning the industry completely.
		But the danger of it, Owen, when it comes to medical science is, you know, what are doctors in training to believe?
		What are physicians to believe once they get out?
		What are patients to believe?
		If there is no integrity in the media, there's no integrity in the quote journals, and there's no integrity in medical education.
		God help us.
		We have got to stop that.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, and I, again, I look at this and I'm like, I know the good guys are in there.
		And it's the same frustration if you're somebody like me that's kind of impatient, kind of, just kind of, Dr. Vickery.
		Just a little, just a little impatient here.
		If you're like me and you're kind of impatient and you have this sense of urgency, you get a little frustrated because politics seems to move so slowly.
		But also I think it's that we kind of have this learned history of it's not just that it moves slowly.
		It's that if you don't make a bunch of noise and if you don't force these issues to get resolved, then nothing ever happens.
		And so I guess, you know, that's kind of my concern as I'm seeing all of this.
		I'm like, hey, this isn't just about, all right, we got the HEP vaccines off the childhood schedule.
		We'll get to that coming up next.
		But it's like, why was it there in the first place?
		These are the questions that need to be asked and answered.
		Same thing with this COVID vaccine.
		Why didn't they share the data of the heart issues and myocarditis and the other issues like the Guillain-Beret syndrome?
		It's like these are the questions that need to be asked and answered.
		It's just not, hey, okay, we're getting rid of certain protocols.
		That's a good thing.
		But it's like, maybe we need to investigate why were they there to begin with?
		Because I think that's where the corruption starts, Dr. Vickery.
		I think that's where the corruption starts.
unidentified		I agree with you.
		And frankly, I'll be very honest.
		This could not have happened.
		This being the COVID debacle could not have happened, not just with regard to the vaccines, but the masking, the made-up construct of social distancing, you know, the lockdowns.
		None of it could have happened without the complicity of physicians.
		This is not the first time in history when physicians have been co-opted to perpetrate atrocities on humanity.
		This is just one more.
		And I don't mean just during the Third Reich in Germany.
		I mean, you know, the Tuskegee experiment.
		There have been many others.
		But my own colleagues played along with this because they didn't want to be on the receiving end of what I and my colleagues like Dr. Peter McCullough, Dr. Mary Tally Bowden and others were, meaning ridiculed, derided, censored, threatened, canceled, all of that.
		I was hauled before the medical boards of different states seven different times during COVID to justify things I had said on radio, defending my medical license.
		It's debilitating and exhausting and financially a weight.
		So, but other physicians went along with it, which is if we had all stood together, if all physicians had been willing to say, that's preposterous.
		We know that masks do not stop the spread of respiratory viruses.
		Or, you know, you've got to be kidding, six feet distancing, you know, that's ridiculous.
		And no, we won't do it.
		If they had said those things, we wouldn't be in the mind that we are in.
		But instead, they gave it legs.
		They gave it credibility.
		Those people who bought into it, and there are many of them still out there, as we pivot to talking about the childhood vaccine schedule.
		Yes, there are some, certainly like me, who talk about it relentlessly.
		I don't care.
		They can't hurt me.
		You know, I won.
		I was one of the, I was President Trump's first co-plaintiff in his class action lawsuit against Twitter, YouTube, and Google, and we won.
		And therefore, they can't hurt me.
		But it was a painful five years.
		What we need are more of people speaking out about it.
		Some of them like Dr. Marty Macri and obviously Jay Bhattacharya and Bobby Kennedy are doing it.
		But it's not enough because there's such a head of steam on the other side, so much money.
		And that includes all people in Congress on both sides of the aisle, by the way, who have been bought and paid for by big pharma.
		And therefore, the pushback continues to be very, very strong.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I'm smirking, not because I'm getting any enjoyment hearing about your plight going through the court systems.
		I'm smirking because I have a little bit of experience with it myself.
		Isn't it?
		It's such a Twilight Zone moment when you're going through that.
		You're like, wait a second, I'm the good guy.
		I'm the good guy here.
		I'm the one telling the truth.
		Why am I on trial?
		Why am I being forced to defend myself?
		The bad guys are over here.
		The liars are over there.
		That's who I'm speaking truth to power here.
		So it's just, it's a bit of a twilight zone experience when you go through that.
		And, you know, this is why you talk about there's so much force on the other side.
		This is why I wanted to do this show.
		This is why Ask the Doctor exists.
		This is why the wellness company is sponsoring the show because it is about pushback.
		It is about filling that void in the media and pushing back and pushing back.
		And I know there's a lot of pressure on you doctors, depending on the platform you are on to, you know, maybe cater your message to what needs to be said on certain platforms.
		You don't have to do that here.
		You don't have to do that here.
		And you don't have to do that at the wellness company either.
		And that's why it's so important.
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		And I want to get an idea of why this product has been working for me, a specific solution for something that happens in the winter.
		But that product is Therablue.
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		You've tried ice heat pain pills and it just isn't working.
		What if you could target that ache at the cellular level instead of just numbing it?
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		And I wanted to ask you why this one is.
		And I'm just lucky because you guys sent me the products to do some testing so I can come on air and give people a fair review.
		So I have this problem, Dr. Victory.
		Every winter for my entire life, as long as I can imagine, even a kid, I would always get dry, specifically legs in the winter, specifically my lower legs, the back of my calves.
		I don't know why, as long as I've been alive as a kid, winter hits, the back of my calves just dry out.
		I'm scratching, I'm itching.
		For years, I couldn't find a product that actually got rid of it, like actually got rid of the itching.
		Now, Theroblue, it was the products that I found that may have eventually gotten rid of the itching, it didn't really stop the irritation.
		Like I was still itching for some time until it went away.
		Therablue actually stopped the irritation.
		Like I can put it, I've got a bit of a dryness right now on the back of my calves.
		And so normally I'll put stuff on there and it might take a week or two to actually go away.
		Well, with Theroblue, I actually get relief.
		I'm not scratching right now.
		You're not going to see me reaching under the desk scratching right now like I might be with this with this dry leg thing.
		What is that?
		Why is Theroblue able to actually give me the relief so that I'm not scratching at it when it's itching, you know, constantly?
		What is the ingredient in there?
		Because that was really the thing that I noticed is that I don't, I'm not itchy.
	I'm not going down there scratching it, bothering with it anymore.
unidentified		Therablue is a remarkable product.
		As you said, it's a next generation product in that it employs peptides topically.
		You know, people have heard about taking peptides intravenously.
dr kelly victory ▲ ● ▼		You can take them orally for certain things, but this is a topical application of peptides, which actually helps to recover cells, help them repair at the local level without the systemic side effects.
unidentified		You rattled off many of the botanicals, things like camphor, eucalyptus, and menthol, which actually are analgesics.
		They dull the topical sensation.
		So they certainly would help with the itching.
		The carrier for this product is castor oil, however, which is very quickly absorbed and is great for skin dryness.
		So I think it's likely the combination of all three things in your case, Owen.
		It's certainly the castor oil addressing the dryness issue, the dehydration of your skin in the wintertime because of low humidity, combined with topicals, the botanicals, including the camphor and the white willow bark and arnica, ginger, turmeric, all of those things, which are also profound anti-inflammatories.
		So you've got the anti-inflammatory component, and then you've got the peptides actually healing those damaged cells at the topically.
dr kelly victory ▲ ● ▼		So it's really great.
unidentified		I'll tell you, it is remarkable for arthritis.
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		And so therefore, people have developed arthritis of the hands far more quickly than they did, say, 50 or 60 years ago.
		So it's terrific for that.
		It's terrific for lots of different muscle aches.
		I know Dr. Peter McCullough used it before doing the turkey trot on some aches he was having in his knee and said it worked remarkably.
		So we're actually customers as well.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		It was actually Dr. Peter McCullough.
		He asked me, he was on two weeks ago.
		He asked me what my secret hair routine is.
		And no secret, but castor oil was part of it because it does, it definitely, I can tell the difference on my scalp.
		So yeah, it probably is that castor oil on it.
		And it's funny when I'm talking to the wellness company about the products, I'm like, hey, you know, my audience is younger.
		I've got kind of a fitness type oriented audience.
		And they're like, hey, here's the TheraBlue skin gel.
		And I'm like, dude, do I sound like the kind of guy that is into skin gels and stuff like that?
		Like, just try the product.
		Just give it a try.
		If something comes along, give it a try.
		I was like, you know what?
		I'm going to put it on my dry skin on my calves.
		And I got the relief.
		I'm not scratching all day until it goes away.
		So it's just nice.
		You know, it's just nice.
		I think that this is what it is.
		And this is why the wellness company is so great.
		It's nice to get a product for something that you're dealing with, minor, major, whatever, when it comes to health, a scratch, whatever, itching.
		It's just nice to get a product that works.
		You know, it's just nice to get a product that you actually get the desired results.
		And so far, that's all I've gotten from the wellness company's products.
		And that's why your guys, that's why your guys' reviews are so good.
unidentified		Well, I love the idea, by the way, of a topical when you can use it.
		The idea that, you know, yes, you can pop 800 milligrams of Advil, ibuprofen, and get some relief from aches and pains, but there are systemic side effects to that.
		And doing it every day or routinely, you know, you can have gastritis, causes peptic ulcer disease, lots of other things.
		If you had the ability to actually put the medication, the pain medication right on what was actually hurting rather than taking something systemically, I think that's always a win.
		And so far, TheraBlue has been a remarkable product.
		It also, by the way, includes topical methylene blue.
		People are hearing more and more about the remarkable effects of methylene blue in terms of being an antioxidant, helping cellular repair, those sorts of things.
		It turns out that it actually works well when applied topically to injured cells, muscles, those sorts of things.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, and you brought up the, I think you said it was 18-year-olds getting arthritis now.
		Yeah.
		That's another topic that we can get into because for somebody like you talked about Dr. Peter McCullough running marathons or somebody like me, if you're an athlete and you like playing sports into your 30s and you want to try to extend that, trying to find a way to deal with that pain, mitigate that pain or address that pain is something you really start to focus on when you get in your 30s.
		So maybe we'll get back into that.
		I do want to get into the other topic of discussion.
		And I went onto your ex account last night and I'm like, all right, what's on Dr. Victory's mind right now?
		What can I start to talk with her about tomorrow on the show?
		And I pulled this graphic up on the screen.
		I'm sure you've seen this before, the CDC immunization schedule.
		And I like using this graphic.
		I've got some other ones I'll put on the screen, but I think this one is the most powerful one.
		And you can see here, it's got the infant here, 1986, and you have the five vaccines on the schedule right there.
		Okay.
		For the first year.
		Now here you are.
		This is 2024.
		I guess it's a year outdated, but you can see, okay, here's where you're at now in the first year.
		Here's where you're at now in the first year with all these vaccines.
		And so it's a good kind of physical representation of just how much it is.
		And I forget, I forget the exact ratio, but I remember I had a doctor on.
		I had a doctor on years ago when I was really starting to get into bringing this stuff to the public.
		The actual, like the actual measurement of these foreign chemicals that now go into your body by the time that you're one, it's like, it's like almost as much, I think it's half or more than half of the actual blood that's in your body.
		So we're talking about now, we're talking about injecting a foreign substance into a one-year-old.
		And it's enough of a foreign substance that could make up like half of half of your blood.
		That might be a high number, but I think you get the point.
		It's like, this is not just a small trace amount that is getting into the childhood's bloodstream.
		This is a significant amount.
		This is an overwhelming amount.
		Of course, there's going to be side effects.
		So that's why I like this graphic.
		I mean, to me, just seeing that, whether you like vaccines or not, or you're in the debate or considering it, it's like this is kind of the eye-opener.
		It's like, this is how extreme the vaccine schedule actually is.
unidentified		Yeah.
		And as powerful as this graphic is, Owen, it doesn't actually capture the, you know, the reality of it because almost all of these vaccines, many of them at least, have more than one injection during those 18 years.
		So to put it actually the numbers in perspective, when I was growing up, which suffice to say was before 1986, the number of vaccines you got between birth and age 18 was somewhere between six and eight, depending on which state you lived in.
		So it's those five vaccines shown there, but because many of them or several of them had multiple doses, you got between six and eight in that 18-year spread.
		Now, the current schedule for childhood vaccines between birth and age 18 is 84 injections.
		We went from six to eight to 84.
		And I'm here to tell you as a physician, the human immune system was not intended to get flogged over and over and over again with an immune challenge, which is what a vaccine is, asking you constantly to respond to something foreign.
		And then you point out the reality, which is those adjuvants, the things that are in the vaccine that are added to actually increase the immune response.
		Things like mercury, aluminum, other things that create an immune response.
		It was one thing when you got six shots over an 18-year period.
		Now you're talking about 84 shots.
		The amount of aluminum that children are getting, and aluminum, by the way, is a very strong neurotoxic chemical.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		They used to put mercury in some of them, doctor.
unidentified		Absolutely.
		And mercury has just recently been removed.
		People think that it was taken out decades ago.
		Not so.
		So it's interesting to me because again, and I am not, quote, anti-vaccine.
		What I am is pro-safety and pro-science.
		And I don't believe in giving things that haven't been adequately tested.
		You cannot have informed consent if you haven't done the testing.
		And the reality is we cannot vaccinate our way to good health.
		That is not the answer.
		We have got to look at our overall health and wellness, what we are doing on a daily basis.
		If you look at populations, interestingly, that don't get vaccinated at all.
		And they're out there.
		The Amish, the Mennonites.
		There it is.
		There it is.
		Yeah, it is absolutely.
		People who have never been vaccinated, populations that have never been vaccinated are overwhelmingly healthier than those who have received vaccines by orders of magnitude.
		It's everything from not just, you know, almost zero incidence of autism or ADHD, but it's also things like asthma, eczema, psoriasis, all kinds of neurologic issues, all kinds of, you know, peanut allergy.
		I never knew a kid with a peanut allergy when I was growing up.
		These have been created by overwhelming the immune system, constantly asking it to respond.
		And we cannot deny that the unvaccinated populations simply do better.
		Their incidence of things like ear infections are a fraction of what you see in vaccinated populations.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, and I don't know if you have a similar story, but I know people that have a lot of kids, we'll say five or more kids.
		And I think for first-time parents, obviously there's a lot of stress.
		There's a lot of pressure.
		There's a lot of things you're being introduced to for the first time.
		And, you know, this is this is why, too, I think for people that are thinking about having kids or about to be first-time parents, this information is so critical.
		It's so, it's so vital.
		And really more than anything, look, make your own decisions, but just make sure you're informed when you do it.
		So to get back to my point, I know, I know, I have friends that have more than five kids.
		And when they had their first couple of kids, they may have may have had less information or less skepticism, let's say.
		And they went in there, they got the vaccines.
		They kind of went through the normal schedule.
		They got more information, got more skepticism, whatever.
		And so they all have their first couple of kids, full vaccine schedule, all the normal stuff.
		And then the rest of their kids, no vaccine schedule, none of that.
		And they tell me they see the difference.
		And I don't think that's something that's comfortable to talk about as a parent.
		I mean, that's got to be a little painful to think about what your kids went through, some of them, and then what the others.
		And they say, look, here's my experience with a very small sample size, a family of six, seven, whatever.
		Here's my experience.
		The children that my children that I didn't vaccinate, they are healthier.
		They have less runny noses.
		They get a cold less.
		Some of them they even say grow faster, bigger.
		And so what you're talking about here, when you're hitting these children, especially when you're talking about infants or newborns, it's like you said, when you're hitting them with all these foreign things, you're throwing off the whole natural growth process.
		You're causing this overwhelming of the immune system.
		And once that happens, like everything else goes off.
		It's like everything else goes offline.
		Everything else gets out of whack.
		Everything else is reprioritized.
		I don't know.
		There's a movie.
		I always forget the name of this movie, but it's got they're stuck in space.
		It's got Chris Pratt and Jennifer Lawrence, and they're stuck in space in the spaceship.
		Everything keeps going wrong, but it's like minor stuff, like the automatic door won't open or like the cereal dispenser puts too much out.
		And they're like, okay, what's going on?
		Well, then they figure out that the core, the energy nuclear core is having a malfunction.
		But it's like they didn't think of going right there.
		They just saw all the other stuff.
		It's like the same thing with these kids.
		When you hit them with that, their natural process, their organic growth process and the natural things in our body, it's magical, really.
		It's like a miracle that our body can do this.
		And it all gets thrown off when you just keep hitting them with these foreign substances, Kelly.
		It's just like, boom, boom, boom.
		And then they can't have their natural growth.
unidentified		Correct.
		And you have to put it in perspective.
		There's nothing in medicine, Owen, that doesn't boil down to a risk-benefit calculation.
		So it might be one thing if you're talking about smallpox or something that's deadly.
		But look, I didn't get the MMR vaccine was not available when I was growing up.
		Okay, I had measles, I had mumps, and I had rubella.
		And so did my five brothers and sisters.
		Okay, everybody, we all had measles, mumps, and rubella and did just fine.
		I had the chickenpox, the chickenpox vaccine.
		Okay, we had these diseases, we had these illnesses.
		Most children sail right through them.
		And as I said a few minutes ago, the idea that we can vaccinate our way to good health simply is a fallacy.
		And many of these vaccines we are finding out now not only don't prevent the illness that they're supposed to prevent, to wit COVID, we have study after study showing that the more vaccinated you are for COVID, the more likely you are to contract COVID.
		That's irrefutable.
		Turns out, same thing with the influenza vaccine, flu vaccines.
		You are more at risk for developing another upper respiratory virus if you get vaccinated for flu.
		So they not only don't work, but they have ill side effects downstream by suppressing or damaging your innate immune system.
		So we have gone and, you know, let's address the elephant in the room.
		The reason that graphic you had put up has 1986, you know, as the pinpoint, why we were comparing it to that year, is because what happened in 1986?
		In 1986, Congress passed the Childhood Vaccine Injury Act.
		They passed the act that gave blanket liability immunity to the vaccine manufacturers, to big pharma.
		That's what happened because Congress believed that because the vaccine manufacturers said these are so difficult and are so costly for us to produce because if we have liability for any bad side effects, then it's going to cost us a lot of money.
		So in order to encourage the pharmaceutical industry to continue thinking about and discovering and formulating new vaccines, they passed this act giving them no liability.
		Well, it turns out if you gave Toyota or Honda or GM, you know, or Chrysler and said, you don't have to have that, you're free from any liability, they could crack cars out really fast too.
		It's amazing how quickly you can, you know, create something and bring it to market if you're off the hook if somebody dies or is maimed by a malfunction of the product.
		You know, I don't know about you, but I wouldn't buy a car seat, you know, or an iron or a blender that said on the side, you know, by the way, if you or your family are killed or injured by this thing, you know, God help you, there's nowhere to turn.
		And that's what happened in 1986, which is why all of the sudden we have a vaccine for everything.
		And the vaccine manufacturers are coining money because, you know, the three big cost drivers for any product, whether it's a car, a blender, a bicep, whatever it is, or a vaccine is number one, advertising.
		Well, these guys don't have to advertise because if it's on the childhood vaccine schedule, the CDC and the pediatricians, I mean, you don't have to advertise at all.
		And the second big driver is liability.
		And if you don't have any liability because you can't be sued, it's just ka-ching, ka-ching, ka-ching.
		All they do is make money, but it really gets back to that, you know, well-intended but misguided 1986 Childhood Vaccine Injury Act.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		That is so key to understanding the larger equation.
		And I mean, we talk about health issues and the medical field here, but it obviously extends beyond that.
		And it really just shows the corruption of our politics and how ultimately it all goes downstream from there, right?
		And as soon as you're able to buy off the politicians or the scientists, they get access to you and the propaganda seeps through the media and you make decisions off of bad information.
		You make decisions off of propaganda.
		And I mean, there's no better example.
		We started the show with the COVID vaccine and they're investigating now all age deaths.
		There might not be any greater example.
		But I think, you know, and you said this too, and this is such a key point.
		It's like going through that, I think, was such an eye-opening experience for people.
		And, you know, everybody kind of has their own moment of eureka, let's say, in life, whether it's a health decision or anything else.
		Everybody kind of has their eureka moment where it's like, oh, okay, like this is how it really works.
		I think that that moment happened for a lot of people during COVID, whether it was the nonsensical protocols, whether it was the introduction of these vaccine mandates, these injections that they hid the studies from us and then they lied about the studies from us.
		You know, so much of that.
		Is it healthy?
		I guess it kind of ultimately lands on this then, doctor.
		Is it healthy now?
		Because this is the problem we're facing.
		Is it healthy now that I think a lot of people like myself, I want to avoid the doctor's office.
		I want to avoid the hospitals, right?
		It's like, I don't want to take any health care advice from these people that have sold us out for years.
		It's like, that's not the trust relationship that needs to be had when it comes to citizens of this country and the medical field and industry.
		But I feel like it's kind of where we're at now, doctor.
unidentified		Oh, I agree.
		And I think that one of the good things perhaps that came out of COVID, Owen, was that people have developed a healthy skepticism of the system.
		They don't believe hook, line, and sink or everything that they are told.
		They say, wait a minute, you know, and people ask me all the time.
		They say, well, I don't know who to believe.
		I don't know who to listen to.
		And what I say is, why don't you listen to the people who told you the truth during COVID?
		Listen to the people who took it on the chin, people like me, frankly, and others who had nothing to gain.
		I had nothing to gain and everything to lose.
		But I live by, you know, to quote John Milton, virtue untested is no virtue at all.
		I put it on the line.
		I said, if, you know, at least I sleep well at night.
		They may take my medical license.
		They may kill me.
		I don't know.
		It was no, it's no different, frankly, than what happened in the Cultural Revolution in China, where they actually, you know, executed people, you know, scientists and doctors and teachers.
		It's pretty much the same when they deplatform you, shut you up, strip you of your medical license.
		You know, you might as well, they take you off the radar.
		But listen to the people who had the guts to tell you the truth the first time around.
		But I do think it's healthy for people to have a skepticism, to stop believing that there's a pill, an injection, a treatment for every single thing that ails them.
		Get back to the basics.
		And part of what I like about Maha and what Bobby Kennedy is doing is focusing on root causes of illness, of chronic disease.
		And it's not, you know, the reason you have hypertension isn't because you're missing a hypertension pill.
		The reason you have diabetes isn't because you're missing a diabetes treatment.
		Okay.
		You didn't develop the you, the reason you have depression isn't because you're missing, you know, the pill for depression.
		get back to the root causes, you know, good food, regular exercise, adequate sleep, stress mitigation, all of those things, you know, that people, it's not as sexy perhaps to focus on those things.
		It's not as fun to think really the cure for what is wrong with me is getting to the gym five days a week, but that's the reality.
		That is what's the truth.
		And getting back to eating whole foods, not zipping into McDonald's, not, you know, making mac and cheese out of a box, you know, not eating all of these, you know, tainted, adulterated foods.
		That's how we get back to good health.
		And if nothing else, I think the COVID debacle maybe has shined a spotlight on that.
		And the timing of Maha right along, you know, behind it, I think is good because it will hopefully make people focus on those sorts of things.
		The fact that children, you know, when I was growing up, gym class, you know, PE was a four-day a week class, you know, four days a week.
		Not only did you go out for recess on the playground and run around for 45 minutes in the middle of the school day, but you had gym class.
		There was physical activity.
		And then also we either rode our bikes or walked to school.
		For most children today, none of those three things exist.
		They get a ride to school.
		There is no recess.
		They sit and play on their iPads or their phones or whatever in their downtime.
		And they eliminated PE, gym class.
		So the, you know, we have become children have become sedentary at a time in their lives when it's critical to, you know, form the foundation of those good habits that, you know, take you not just, I'm here to tell you, not just through your 30s, but into your 60s.
		You know, I exercise every day today because I do.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Nobody believes it.
		Nobody's going to believe you now.
		Now you're untrustworthy.
		Now we can't trust you.
		60s, no way, doctor.
unidentified		Nope.
unidentified		Unfortunately, the tragic truth.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Well, don't even get me started on that because I think it's actually tragic.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I wonder what the future is going to look like for kids.
unidentified		Yeah.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Because every once in a while, you know, I like to play basketball.
		Every once in a while, I'll play with some of the some of the local high school players here.
		And I just, I see things that I'm just like, what?
		It's like in between games.
		They just immediately go to their cell phones.
		Right.
		Dr. Hicks, I'll tell you, some of them, they have their vapes plugged in in the gym.
		And it's like in between games, they're going and hitting their vapes.
		I'm like, oh my God.
		Like maybe we all had that one friend.
		We used to go outside and play pickup ball.
		Maybe we all had that one friend that would go have a cigarette in between games.
		You know, you had to drag him out there to play.
		That was like, it was like his one relief is he'd get the cigarette.
		But it was like high school kids.
		I'm like, come on, guys.
unidentified		Come on.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		But it's just at least they're out there getting active.
		Well, hey, here's the good news as we talk about diet and exercise.
		And I want to get back to something that you said a moment ago that kind of also makes me smirk with some stuff that I've experienced.
		It's not all there at the wellness company, TWC.health.on.
		It's not all skincare and healthcare.
		They got beef products.
		I was so shocked when I saw this because I'm actually somebody that's had some different memberships over the years and gotten steak and stuff delivered to my door.
		And I really, I really enjoy that mostly because of the convenience, I think, of not having to go to the grocery store to get my steaks.
		But you guys have beef boxes at the wellness company.
		This is incredible stuff.
		For somebody like me that eats steak probably four nights a week, maybe five depending on the week, this stuff is great.
		And I love the fact that you guys have so many different options here on the beef boxes.
		I mean, guys, take your pick, cattlemen's lean meats, pasture nutrient dense meats, ranchers gut healthy meats, the personal beef box.
		You can go in here, folks, look at all of this.
		Butcher's choice meats, family beef box.
		What is it that made you guys decide to get into this?
		Because this is kind of a really niche thing that a couple of companies have done over the years, and I think successfully.
		Did you guys want to do this because you were concerned that the beef products people were getting off of the shelves at their stores were filled with hormones and pesticides?
		Was that kind of the motivational factor?
		Because when I first went to the wellness company, you know, I'm obviously thinking about, all right, you guys are going to have great supplements and some skincare, maybe some other products topically.
		And I saw the beef boxes, I was like, oh my gosh, you guys really have thought of everything.
unidentified		The scam of beef and poultry and meat packaging in this country, Owen, is that it can say American beef as long as the very last step of the process happens in the United States.
		In other words, a cow can be born, raised, slaughtered, you know, all of it in some other country, Brazil, Mexico, wherever, Paraguay.
		And as long as it gets put in the little styrofoam container and wrapped in cellophane in the United States, it can get marketed as American beef for starters.
		You have no idea what's in that, what hormones, what antibiotics, what vaccines that cow got.
		Okay.
		So you don't know what it was fed, none of it.
		It's a real scam.
		So what we decided to do was actually have American beef born, bred, slaughtered, you know, all of it here in the United States without any hormones, no antibiotics, grass-fed, no vaccines, so that it actually is the quality that if you're going to spend money on beef, I do too, then get something worth putting in your body.
		It's amazing how many antibiotics we ingest through foods that we eat.
		People don't understand this.
		They feed, for example, one of the reasons that we have antibiotic resistance is because people are eating small amounts of tetracycline or doxycycline anytime they eat chicken.
		Because chicken farmers here feed chickens small amounts of antibiotics to keep them from getting sick.
		Well, that gets into the muscle of the chicken and you end up ingesting it.
		There's a reason why girls are going into puberty at age eight and nine.
		When I was growing up, it was more like 12 or 13, even 14.
		They are reaching puberty way earlier because of the hormones that they are getting in the milk and dairy products that we are eating.
		So these things are very, very important.
		What you are ingesting, you don't want to be unwittingly getting these things, hormones, antibiotics, vaccines, those sorts of things.
		And it's because, and that's really why the wellness company went down this road of buying cows and doing the actual production of the beef for people to be able to purchase free from those adulterants.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		By the way, folks, when you go to TWC.health/slash Owen, one wellness members say 15% on all products.
		So if you're shopping there and you really like what you see, consider becoming a one wellness member and say 15% on all products, including those glorious beef boxes.
		It doesn't get much better than that, the beef box.
		And, you know, Dr. Victory, this is what I was kind of laughing at earlier.
		And you mentioned hypertension.
		I am somebody that eats probably beef five days a week.
		I eat steak four nights a week.
		It's just, it's just my go-to.
		It's kind of the easiest thing.
		Actually, it's like really easy to cook once you've mastered it.
		It's really easy to cook.
		It's, I think, mostly healthy.
		I like it.
		It's good for muscle growth and repair.
		So anyway, so I'm telling you all this.
		So when I did my little prison sentence, they have a doctor, because a lot of these guys are in there for a long time.
		So there's a doctor, there's a dentist, right?
		They're doing blood work and everything to make sure that you don't die under their watch.
		And I go to the doctor and she's reviewing all the blood work and everything, which was, that's a story in and of itself, all the blood they take from you.
		So she comes back.
		She comes back, doctor, and she says, oh, okay, well, your cholesterol levels are extremely high.
		And, you know, she asked me about my diet.
		And I'm like, yeah, I probably have 12 eggs a day.
		I eat steak like five five nights a week.
		I mostly drink the raw eggs.
		So before you freak out, like, are you cooking 12 eggs?
		I'm actually just drinking them.
		So she says this and she's like, well, we need to get you on a, guess what?
		A pharmaceutical pill.
		We need to get you on a pharmaceutical pill here because you're pre-hypertension because of these cholesterol numbers.
		And I'm like, well, hold on a second.
		You know, I'm not an ignoramus.
		I know a little bit about some stuff.
		And I point out to her and I'm like, well, I'm like, you guys can obviously see that, you know, my BMI here is low.
		I don't have, I'm not a fat person.
		You can obviously see my heart rate here is right where it needs to be.
		You can look at my blood levels and you can see all of my blood is healthy.
		And then she just says, well, this is the cholesterol level.
		So, you know, you need to do this.
		I'm like, everything else checks out that I'm healthy, but this cholesterol level, and you say I need to get on this pill.
		And so, you know, she didn't want to hear, she didn't want to hear anything more from me at that point.
		I was scratching an itch.
		I wasn't on air, doctor.
		So I was like, trying to inform this, I was trying to inform this person here.
		So anyway, so get what she says.
		She says, well, if you're not going to take this pill, you need to consider diet and exercise.
		And I'm just sitting here.
		I'm like, that's all I consider.
		What are you calling?
		I'm like, that is literally all I consider.
		You're here telling me because of this one number.
		So all of this to ask, do you think that these studies that have been demonizing beef and demonizing eggs all of these years, do you think it was all blown out of proportion?
		Do you think the cholesterol issue is being blown out of proportion?
		Because I look at it and I just, I shake my head and I say, no, I'm not buying it.
		In fact, as far as I can tell, I guess other than maybe a cholesterol number, as far as I can tell, I'm actually healthier than I've ever been with the raw egg and meat diet, which is again, mostly just out of convenience, I think.
		But the medical practitioners in the system want to tell me, no, no, it's going to kill you.
		It's going to kill you.
unidentified		All right.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Where is the disconnect here?
		What is the truth?
		Is it in between the two or where is it?
unidentified		Well, it's not just my opinion.
		We have irrefutable proof.
		We know that the sugar industry back in the 60s paid researchers at Harvard to say that the problem with cholesterol and obesity and all this was beef and fat was fat.
		You know, it was cholesterol and fat and all those things.
		They knew all along it was sugar.
		It was processed carbohydrates.
		So for decades, we were told that the problem is, avoid eggs, avoid butter, avoid, you know, beef, avoid fatty foods.
		And instead, you know, look at, remember what the old food pyramid looked like.
		It's all the eat all those grains, all those bread, eat those fat-free pretzels and, you know, potatoes and rice and all the stuff that we know now.
		The reality is that is what leads to what we call metabolic syndrome, insulin dysregulation, inability to control fat.
		And it's why we end up, let's face it, today, 2025, with 40% of adolescents have pre-diabetes.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I was going to say, you're going to diabetes.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I know exactly.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Okay.
		So this is the reality.
		We know that, you know, one of the, when I was growing up, you know, the thing to put in your coffee, since, you know, you certainly didn't want to use heavy cream.
		So my dad put in that promora stuff, that powdered, whatever, whatever disgusting, absolutely artificial powdered creamer stuff was that essentially you might as well like shove directly in your carotid artery because it, you know, it's horrible for you.
		And we created a chronic disease epidemic.
		We created where we are today that people were led to believe there was that whole craze of eating fat-free things when snack wells were really big.
		Didn't matter how much sugar they had them, as long as they didn't have fat, it was good for you.
		It was all a scam.
		And frankly, with regard to the cholesterol issue, not all cholesterol is created equally.
		The lipid panel that you get when you go to your doctor gives you gross numbers without breaking down the subtypes of cholesterol.
		My personal cholesterol, you know, I will share with your audience, is about 290, 293, 297.
		What you go, oh my gosh, so bad.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		I think you're beating me.
		You're beating me, doctor.
		I got to get my numbers up.
unidentified		And so I went and got a calcium score to look to see how much of that cholesterol is getting laid down or how much plaque am I laying down in my coronary arteries as a result of this sky-high cholesterol.
		And a calcium score, it costs you about $99.
		You can go get one.
		The score goes from zero to a thousand.
		Anything over three or four hundred means, you know, you are laying down plaque in your arteries and you should be paying attention.
		My score came back zero.
		Zip.
		Okay.
		I'm not one bit worried about my cholesterol level.
		It keeps my brain functioning well.
		It keeps my nerves functioning well.
		It keeps me looking away I want to look at my age.
		Okay.
		Cholesterol is not the boogeyman.
		We were led to believe that.
		Likewise, neither were beef, eggs, butter.
		We know now the real bad culprits are those seed oils, canola oil, corn oil, soybean oil.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		There we go.
unidentified		Okay.
		We should be cooking with two things, as far as I'm concerned.
		The easiest things to cook with are butter, olive oil.
		Yeah, butter and olive oil.
		Okay.
		Soybean, by the way, little, you know, fun fact, soybean oil was created back at the turn of the century, turn of the last century, to use as automotive oil.
		That's why the farmers were incentivized to grow soybeans because they needed oil for the new automobiles that were coming out.
		You know, automobiles were new.
		They needed to have a lot of motor oil for these things.
		Then it turned out that companies like DuPont were able to create synthetic motor oil, which is, which is better, doesn't break down as quickly, lasts longer.
		So once they could create synthetic motor oil, the government needed to decide, well, what are we going to do with all these farmers?
		We incentivize to grow soybeans since we don't need it for the cars.
		Feed it to the people.
		Give it to the people.
		Put it in the food.
		Okay.
		It was intended as motor oil.
		Okay.
		So we now, these seed oils have created, you know, a host of ill problems for Americans, including inflammation, likely enhanced cancer, certainly metabolic syndrome.
		They're pro-inflammatory.
		Again, I could say that again.
		So going back to things like butter and olive oil and real olive oil, make sure you're getting a good brand.
		Those things are great.
		So yes, we've been, that's a long answer to your short question.
		You know, have you been led astray?
		The answer is absolutely.
		We have.
		And the idea of any, if you have a doctor who is treating your numbers and is simply suggesting that you take a pill rather than understanding what exercise do you do, what's your sleep habits, what's your stress level, you know, what's your support system, if they aren't asking all those things, you don't have a doctor, you've got a drug dealer, okay?
		And that's really the reality.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Well said.
		All right, one more thing before I want to let you go.
		We mentioned the, we mentioned the topical relief that I got from your guys' product, Therablue.
		And again, folks, if you want to find this, TWC.health slash Owen, you can get 10% off Therablue right now with coupon code Owen.
		But I want to ask you this.
		What other products might you guys have?
		Because for me, you know, relief, relief is such an important thing.
		I think really once you cross the age of 30, and maybe for some, it happens sooner or later.
		But for me, it was about 30.
		And I remember I'll never forget.
		It was like, I used to play basketball maybe four or five nights a week.
		And then it kind of got down to maybe three and maybe two.
		And I started to deal with some sciatica.
		I started to deal with my knees barking and my ankles barking.
		And it's just like, oh my gosh, I love playing ball, but it's like I have to deal with this every time afterwards.
		So I'm looking, I was looking for solutions.
		You know, ice, okay, that's a temporary solution, but it doesn't really, it doesn't offer really a long-term solution.
		So I found I was able to find things like turmeric.
		I think glucogel was one of them.
		I did a lot.
		I did a bunch of research into this years ago, and I was actually able to find some organic health supplements.
		And my sciatica is gone.
		My knee pain, my ankle pain is virtually gone.
		I can play pain-free now.
		Obviously, stretching and taking care of your body is an important element of this.
		But are there any other products that the wellness company offers that might also be available to kind of provide some solution?
		If you start to get some of that barking, you mentioned the arthritis earlier.
		Are there any other products that the wellness company has where maybe people want to look into that and say, hey, this could give you some relief or be a solution?
unidentified		Well, we have literally hundreds of SKUs and great products, depending on what it is that you're looking to address.
		For me, I am particularly interested in things that enhance immune function.
		We have things like a great mushroom product that includes, you know, shaga, rishi, lion's mane, turkey tail, mushrooms, really important for immune health and also cancer prevention.
		We have broccoli sprouts.
		You cannot eat for most people enough broccoli sprouts on a daily basis, nutrient, you know, from a dietary perspective.
		So we have it in a dehydrated form.
		It is the world's, you know, most concentrated form of a compound called sulforaphane.
		Again, very profoundly impactful on your immune function and an anti-cancer item.
		I would be remiss if I didn't at least mention, given how close we are, and we started the show about the COVID vaccines and the injuries we're seeing, the ultimate spike detox, Owen, I think is really important for anyone who was vaccinated and may have ongoing issues because of the continued production of spike proteins.
		The spike protein, as hopefully most people know by now, is the toxic component of the COVID virus.
		And people who got that vaccine are creating continually more and more of that toxic protein.
		It's what puts you at risk for everything from blood clots to myocarditis, neurologic issues, brain fog, muscle aches.
		So if people were vaccinated and are starting to have some of those symptoms, achiness or brain fog, they might think about trying the ultimate spike detox.
		Go to the website.
		There are just a ton of stuff.
		We are coming out.
		I'll, you know, sort of spoiler alert, mid-January, a new product's coming out called SHIELD, which addresses people who are concerned about their risk for developing a cancer or even people who have had and are battling cancer.
		It's a two-part product that includes some gel caps, as well as a packet that makes a hot chocolate, a cocoa mix.
		It's got so much stuff packed into it.
		It's everything from, as I said, the mushroom complexes to berberine.
		It's got so much great stuff in there, olive leaf, oregano oil, turmeric, all of these things that have been shown to be very, very good at helping your immune function, fighting off cancer, and actually even potentially treating or being an adjuvant to whatever other cancer therapy you might be doing.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		All right, Dr. Victory, that's going to do it for our time today.
		I'm going to put you on the spot here.
		How about some motivational words from Dr. Victory on this Wednesday afternoon now here in Austin, Texas?
		So leave us with a little motivation right now.
		You've already inspired enough people that are over the age of 60, but what about for the rest of us, huh?
		Give us some motivation before we let you go.
unidentified		You know, one of the buzz phrases, Owen, is medical freedom.
		You know, the medical freedom movement to get out of the system of, you know, insurance and all of this and control by the government.
		But there's nothing that provides medical freedom more than being healthy, than staying healthy, than not needing the system.
		And unfortunately, this is Dr. Victory's tough love.
		That means it goes, it falls to the individual.
		It is incumbent upon you to make the decisions.
		You choose what you eat.
		You choose whether or not you're going to come up with an excuse not to get your workout in today.
		You decide whether or not you're going to prioritize sleep.
		You decide how you're going to let stress.
		We all have stress.
		I have an incredibly stressful life, but it's up to me to decide how to manage it, how to handle it, and whether or not I let it control me.
		So it really is we have got to stop acting as if our health and wellness is outsourced to a system, to a healthcare system.
		It's what that system is a disease care system, and your job is to stay the heck out of it.
		And the way you stay out of it is by being proactive and taking personal responsibility and accountability for the things that you do every single day, because that system, that disease care system is not going to save you.
		And it's not a way to live your life.
owen shroyer ▲ ● ▼		Dr. Kelly Victory with the Wellness Company.
		That's going to do it for Ask the Doctor today, brought to you by the Wellness Company.
		Thanks for everybody for tuning in.
		We'll be putting some clips out of this.
		And Dr. Victory, appreciate your time and have a great rest of your week.

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