Nov. 19, 2025 - Owen Shroyer Live
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| Well, good morning to our friends on the West Coast, and I guess good afternoon to our friends on the East Coast. | ||
| This is Ask the Doctor brought to you by the Wellness Company. | ||
| And today's great guest is Dr. James Thorpe. | ||
| He said I can call him Jim, though. | ||
| So that's how cool we are today. | ||
| And we're going to be covering the issues of chronic pain, seasonal illness. | ||
| But right as we're going live, there's some breaking news with COVID vaccines, flu vaccines that are still being pushed today on even pregnant mothers, healthy athletes. | ||
| We've got some breaking news on these stories that we're going to be covering with Dr. Jim Thorpe today. | ||
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| All right. | ||
| So bringing in Dr. James Thorpe now. | ||
| Well, Doctor, I do want to talk about chronic pain. | ||
| It's on our docket today. | ||
| I do want to talk about seasonal illness on our docket today. | ||
| Plus, a lot of people are probably thinking about it, maybe even going through some of the first waves of the flu season, as we know, comes around. | ||
| But as I'm getting ready for the show to talk with you, and then we're talking moments before the show, I already had a story on my desk about an Olympic athlete who was fully vaccinated, who recently died suddenly. | ||
| We keep hearing so much about it. | ||
| You just told me about a story in your clinic, a patient of yours that just had a medical incident. | ||
| Why don't we talk about that and kind of tie it into some of the pressures that we see, especially right now, to go and get vaccinated without getting the full information of the potential side effects or whether you need it or not? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You want to talk about your case first, or would you like me to present mine? | ||
| Well, let's talk about yours because this is something that obviously you're just going through this right now. | ||
| You could say that this is breaking news, but I think that there's going to be a lot of people as we get into the flu season. | ||
| The pressure ramps up for you to get that shot. | ||
| People might want to hear this story first. | ||
| Very, very upsetting story. | ||
| So I am a board-certified OBGYN physician, also double board certified in high-risk obstetrics. | ||
| I've been in active clinical practice for 46 years, 46 years, still practicing. | ||
| And so I will not make any mention of unique patient identifying information, but this is a real case. | ||
| This is at a very large Midwest hospital in which I do contract work with. | ||
| So I won't mention the name of that hospital, but this was just last week. | ||
| And so I cover 24-7, very sick hospitalized patients and also outpatients. | ||
| So on a Sunday morning, I get called by the attending physician on call, Dr. Thorpe. | ||
| I need you to come in and see a patient. | ||
| Okay, tell me about her. | ||
| Well, she was a very healthy 22-year-old and she's 14 weeks pregnant. | ||
| And three days ago, she began having numbness and tingling and weakness in her feet. | ||
| And it started rising rather rapidly over the last three days to her upper body. | ||
| And I said, wait, she's got Guillain Beret syndrome. | ||
| Is she in an intensive care unit? | ||
| If not, you better get her up to one quickly because she may die. | ||
| And I said, oh, by the way, let me guess. | ||
| You gave her a vaccine sometime in the last month. | ||
| And he said, well, I don't know. | ||
| And I said, go check. | ||
| So a minute later, he comes back. | ||
| Dr. Thorpe, yeah, you're right. | ||
| We gave her a flu vaccine two weeks ago. | ||
| And I said, this is caused by the flu vaccine. | ||
| This is a well-known cause of Guillain-Beret syndrome. | ||
| Well, let me just pause you right there because this is so important. | ||
| That was your first instinct. | ||
| You know, you've been doing this for decades. | ||
| You hear this story. | ||
| You know what the symptoms represent. | ||
| You know what causes Guillain-Beret. | ||
| It was your first instinct to go there. | ||
| You know, that's how obvious this is. | ||
| That's how obvious this is, especially if somebody with your experience, it's like, oh, I already know what caused this. | ||
| Is there just, is the awareness not there, doctor? | ||
| How do you end up in this position? | ||
| I can't imagine how frustrating this must be. | ||
| It's so frustrating, Owen, because this lady had been in the system, in the hospital for maybe, say the call was maybe 10 a.m., 11 a.m. | ||
| And she had been already in the hospital for several hours, seen by several care providers. | ||
| Not one physician acknowledged the diagnosis. | ||
| Not one physician asked her about vaccines. | ||
| This is the sick, pathetic healthcare system that we have now. | ||
| The hospitals are all captured. | ||
| All of the employees, including the physicians and the nurses, will not ask it. | ||
| If they do ask it and chart it, they will get in trouble, maybe fired like I was fired. | ||
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So it's really sick. | |
| So they didn't identify, including the neurologists, right? | ||
| So she's on a regular hospital room. | ||
| I said, get her up. | ||
| And he says, well, how do you know that it's a vaccine? | ||
| I said, because there's a massive safety signal. | ||
| If you go to the CDC FDA vaccine adverse event reporting system, as we speak, there's over 3,000 cases of these reported to the influenza vaccines. | ||
| And that's only one of the myriad of complications from the influenza vaccine. | ||
| And oh, by the way, did you give the patient informed consent? | ||
| Do you know that she may die from this? | ||
| A beautiful, young, 22-year-old pregnant woman with a 14-week fetus? | ||
| Do you know she may die or she may be on a ventilator for the rest of her pregnancy and may be permanently damaged for the rest of her life? | ||
| Did you inform her of that? | ||
| You know, the their system picks up only one percent of actual cases. | ||
| That means if they report, you know, 3,200, there's well over 300,000 cases of Guillain Beret, just that one complication associated with the influenza vaccines. | ||
| And by the way, are you, doctor, aware? | ||
| I'm speaking to the attending physician. | ||
| I wasn't as quite as angry as I am right now about it. | ||
| Are you aware that the most recent data of the influenza vaccine says it doesn't work? | ||
| Not only does it not work, it increases your risk of getting influenza vaccines and other upper respiratory tract infections. | ||
| Did you know that, doctor? | ||
| You know, it sounds familiar. | ||
| It sounds like what we get with Congress when they get these 1,000-page bills on their desk an hour before they vote on it. | ||
| The answer is no. | ||
| They don't know this stuff. | ||
| They don't either care to know this stuff, they don't have the time to research it. | ||
| It sounds like the same thing. | ||
| And for people that might not understand this, and I always bring this point home when we talk about the flu vaccines, they hear you, they say, Dr. Thorpe, what are you talking about? | ||
| The flu vaccines don't work. | ||
| Why would they be putting them to market if they didn't work? | ||
| Well, put that question aside and let's actually address the science here. | ||
| By the time the flu vaccine gets to the market, the flu virus in that vaccine has already evolved multiple times. | ||
| You're being vaccinated for a flu virus that is already ages old. | ||
| You know, if you want to talk about virology or the science of it, it's basically an old, the virus that you're being vaccinated against is dead. | ||
| It's generations gone. | ||
| And so you're not even being immunized for the actual virus that's going around right now. | ||
| But this is where it gets back to the corruption in the system. | ||
| This is why they try to target doctors like you that think for yourself and want to address your patients. | ||
| And it's just like, do the doctors, do they, is it really a situation where they don't do the research? | ||
| Do they want to do the research? | ||
| It just, is that the pressure of, hey, we just tell you to take the flu vaccine every winter? | ||
| Do we tell you about the side effects? | ||
| Do they know about the side effects? | ||
| Because I can't imagine you get this call and you're just like, this could have been stopped, right? | ||
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This didn't have to happen. | |
| You're absolutely spot on, 1,000%. | ||
| So it's a mixed bag. | ||
| In my career, we've become gone from independent in practice, hopefully most of us, for the benefit of the patient, totally independent of government or of our employer, to now the complete opposite. | ||
| We're nothing but automatrons. | ||
| We're given the younger doctors, they are forced to only discuss what is in the hospital's Overton window or the CDC FDA government or the NGO, the AMA, in my case, the American Board of We're only allowed to discuss what they deem acceptable. | ||
| And if we discuss anything else, we will get fired. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's crazy to think that that might be the case, but it is. | ||
| And we've been watching this happen for years. | ||
| And, you know, maybe this is where we can kind of segue into what you are seeing now with the COVID-19 vaccine, where, you know, I think that we had some high hopes with RFK Jr. and really taking some drastic measures would be one way to put it, extreme measures maybe another way to try to pull this product from the shelves. | ||
| Now, that hasn't happened. | ||
| There have been some good developments with it. | ||
| There have been some bad developments with it. | ||
| But I think at the end of the day, it still falls on us as Americans. | ||
| And this is why I do this show. | ||
| You have to be informed. | ||
| And that's just the case right now. | ||
| You have to be informed with decisions you make in life. | ||
| And you have to be informed with the COVID-19 vaccines. | ||
| Now, I brought this to your attention earlier today. | ||
| An Olympic athlete, Paige Greco was her name, gold medalist young, 26 years old, dies suddenly, right? | ||
| Same story we keep seeing, dies suddenly. | ||
| Healthy athlete. | ||
| This shouldn't be happening. | ||
| We've seen it hundreds of these cases. | ||
| It's almost exclusively heart problems that are the number one side effect of this vaccine, and yet we still continue to see it to this day. | ||
| How do we get this information out there? | ||
| I mean, this is my attempt to get this information out there. | ||
| But I mean, you just went through a process with a patient where it's like, okay, here's your role with your pregnant patient. | ||
| And then what happens? | ||
| She gets to another doctor or another hospital or another clinic. | ||
| And then they're saying, hey, take this flu vaccine. | ||
| She takes it. | ||
| Nobody gives her the informed consent. | ||
| She doesn't check with you. | ||
| She doesn't think anything of it. | ||
| Now she's sitting in a hospital with Geon Beret. | ||
| How often is this happening with the COVID-19 vaccine? | ||
| They just sit down. | ||
| They're innocent. | ||
| They don't know any better. | ||
| They're saying, hey, maybe you should take this COVID vaccine. | ||
| You don't want to get COVID. | ||
| You don't want to give it to your mom, your kids, whatever fear tactics they use. | ||
| The next thing you know, they got a heart problem. | ||
| What do we need to do to get this information out there? | ||
| If we're not going to have Make America Healthy Again movement now inside the Trump administration, if they're not going to pull this product from the shelves, what do you do? | ||
| How do you try to get this information to patients so at least they can make an informed decision? | ||
| Well, that's the million-dollar question. | ||
| And I think by being the incredible independent journalist and truther that you are, Owen, and many like you, that's our only hope because the Trump administration has thrown it under the bus. | ||
| Clearly, Trump is more set on making peace deals and creating wealth and money. | ||
| I think he really did nothing more than use Bobby Kennedy and he played him like a harmonica. | ||
| I mean, he brought him in, likely won the election form, and now he doesn't care about anything else. | ||
| I mean, goodness gracious, he has a press conference, right? | ||
| And he brings on the CEO of Pfizer, Albert Borla. | ||
| I call him Borla the butcher, Borla the butcher, and has the audacity to bring him on in a White House presser with, God bless him, Bobby Kennedy standing behind me. | ||
| I think Jay Battacheria was there. | ||
| I think that that the FDA commissioner, Marty McCary, was there. | ||
| I mean, this was you could cut that. | ||
| Yeah, I was going to say you could cut that drama with a knife. | ||
| You could cut that tenseness. | ||
| You could feel it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Look at what he did with Stargate. | ||
| I mean, open source AI and that CEO and three others like him. | ||
| This is I don't mean to down myself or our platform or our voice. | ||
| And forgive me if I do that, but we don't have an ice cubes chance in hell because he who pays the piper calls the tunes. | ||
| This is trillions and trillions, tens of trillions of dollars of future mRNA technology. | ||
| And Trump doesn't care about the vaccine injured. | ||
| Trump doesn't care about the vaccines, really. | ||
| He cares about money. | ||
| And listen, whoever wins the AI battle will rule the world, literally. | ||
| And that's what, by the way, that's what the name Donald means, world ruler. | ||
| That's what Trump wants. | ||
| He wants to rule the world, the United States to be the leader in the world. | ||
| And I don't blame him for that, but he's casting out everything that's good for the American people, including their health. | ||
| Well, what I've kind of learned from this story with just COVID, but I think once you kind of, once you go down that path, once you go down that dark alley, you learn that this isn't the only one. | ||
| It seems like the entire industry, medical industry, healthcare industry, it just looks at everybody like a profit center. | ||
| Maybe a patient, maybe, but a profit center first. | ||
| And the truth of the matter is, because I'm a big believer in be the science yourself. | ||
| And so the truth of the matter is for somebody like me that doesn't go to a hospital, doesn't take vaccines, doesn't adhere to the medical pressures and all of that stuff, I stay in good health. | ||
| I try to eat healthy. | ||
| I try to exercise. | ||
| Well, guess what? | ||
| Nobody makes money off of me. | ||
| Nobody in the healthcare industry is making money off me because I'm not taking vaccines. | ||
| I'm not taking the pharmaceutical pills. | ||
| And it seems like that's what they want. | ||
| And I guess Trump goes along with it because his friends are in there. | ||
| His donors are in there. | ||
| They're making a bunch of money. | ||
| But I want to get to the latest because you just, if people go to your ex account, if you want to let people know where they can find your X account, I was scrolling through there this morning because like I said, my plan was to talk to you about just some of the things that are happening right now, you know, chronic pain, seasonal illness. | ||
| And I do intend to get into that with you. | ||
| But I'm scrolling through your ex and it's just like the COVID-19 vaccine side effects, they just keep happening. | ||
| The studies showing how bad it is, it just keeps happening. | ||
| And it's like, hey, if there was any other product on the market that was doing this much damage or even potentially, let's say maybe we're not 100% sure, but if it was like, hey, this could potentially be causing it, any other product on the market, we would be pulling these things off the shelves. | ||
| Dr. James Thorpe is with us from the wellness company. | ||
| So talk about the latest we're seeing with the COVID-19 vaccine side effects. | ||
| And then it's just like, is that just it? | ||
| It's just profit over people? | ||
| That's just it. | ||
| That's exactly right. | ||
| It's in a state of denial. | ||
| And I'll throw out the term, which has many different multidisciplinary definitions, including clinical medicine, normalization of deviance, right? | ||
| Statistical term, medical term, a terminology in your business. | ||
| And this is the concept whereby we see something very abnormal, but we normalize it and pretend it's normal. | ||
| Let me give you an example. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| There are now buses in the UK with advertisements on them saying children have strokes too. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Children have strokes. | ||
| Yeah, they have strokes after you started giving them the mRNA injections. | ||
| So this is what, and the whole term, that everything propaganda is, you know, this better than I do. | ||
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Words are important. | |
| Yeah, words have meaning. | ||
| I repeat, words have meaning. | ||
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Long COVID. | |
| No, it's a vaccine injury, but we're substituting the word long COVID so that it generates the impression that, oh, now I get it. | ||
| There's nothing wrong with the vaccine. | ||
| It's all from long COVID, and we should push the vaccine more to prevent COVID. | ||
| Well, that was trending again, Dr. Thorpe. | ||
| That was trending again. | ||
| So is that when I hear about this or I see this trending on social media, is that somebody that gets the vaccine and then has kind of this extended period of feeling ill or feeling weak? | ||
| I mean, obviously, it's not COVID, or is it some combination of the two? | ||
| Why do I see this propping up again, this long COVID thing? | ||
| Is it just an extended vaccine side effect, or what is it do you think is going on here? | ||
| It is an extended COVID-19 side effect. | ||
| Now, truth be told, that the virus, the viral infection, we all know that it was manufactured in gain of function. | ||
| We know that 100% certain because there is a nucleotide sequence in the mRNA that was patented in 2016 that's identical to that which is in the viral mRNA genome. | ||
| Okay, patented. | ||
| The chance of that occurring is one in 100 trillion or something like to that order. | ||
| It's zero. | ||
| Yeah, zero, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So we know that this was a pandemic. | ||
| And so there's so much disinformation, but they crafted this bioweapon so that, and I knew this in 2020, | ||
| they crafted it so that it would masquerade as a disease of any and every organ system because the lipid nanoparticle and the mRNA goes to every single organ system in the human body. | ||
| It breaks all God-made barriers, including the blood-brain barrier, blood testis barrier, blood ovarian barrier. | ||
| Same, it breaks the placental barrier and it goes across to the pre-born and crosses every barrier in the pre-born. | ||
| So it was designed to cause hundreds. | ||
| Remember the Pfizer 5.3.6 document? | ||
| There were over 3,000 diseases of interest. | ||
| Remember that at the end of that 30-page document that was they tried to hide for 75 years? | ||
| That's how many different diseases it can cause. | ||
| So in order to masquerade it, it's so many different diseases. | ||
| And yes, many people drop dead within a few hours of the injection or within a week or so or a few days. | ||
| A huge number, so many so that it fulfilled the Bradford Hill criteria for causation, literally. | ||
| But many of these diseases were designed to kill after a few years or after five years or 10 years. | ||
| It's a slow. | ||
| It's a slow process. | ||
| Nobody connects the dots and they can reframe. | ||
| They can reframe the narrative. | ||
| And it's like if it happens so long after the incident, you're not even thinking about it, right? | ||
| You're focusing on, hey, what just happened to my patient's heart? | ||
| Not did they inject something, you know, five years ago. | ||
| It's insane to think that these injections are still happening. | ||
| They are. | ||
| People are still buying it. | ||
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| Now, I do want to eventually move on from this, but I guess to put it to a close here, is there kind of a, we saw it during COVID because everybody was watching. | ||
| Everybody was watching how the medical community was responding to this. | ||
| And then you had the team of doctors that were really trying to take a stand and stop these mRNA injections from going out there. | ||
| Has that kind of, let's say, civil war inside the medical community, has it kind of quieted down? | ||
| Has everybody just kind of followed and just kind of fallen into place? | ||
| Or is there still a lot of noise in the background that people aren't seeing where doctors are trying to make a bunch of noise and say, hey, we got to reconsider rolling out these vaccines? | ||
| We need to be either extremely cautious when we're going to inject these things, or we need to just pull them off the market till we know more. | ||
| Is this still going on or has it kind of already happened and now everybody's just settling in where they land? | ||
| No, they're still actively pushing the vaccines. | ||
| And it's almost like there's a new generation of, I follow this very carefully on X. | ||
| And so I see the feeds and the streams. | ||
| And there's a whole new generation. | ||
| You know, this Dr. O'Neill is one of them. | ||
| Dr. Neal and there's many others. | ||
| Many of them are no names. | ||
| But there's these aggressive pharmaceutical employed bots that will go out and just emphatically and dogmatically, literally, like this is a religion, stating that this is truth. | ||
| The vaccines are saving and they'll personally attack anybody that tells the truth. | ||
| You know, just Mary Tally Bowden, Peter McCullough, Pierre Corey, myself, hundreds and hundreds of others. | ||
| And it's like a new generation of really sick, demented, I believe cognitively impaired people like Peter Hotez. | ||
| Peter Hotez, you know, Dr. McCullough, Dr. Bregan, I was a lead author. | ||
| You know, we just published a study in June, and it was published in a peer-reviewed medical journal. | ||
| We documented a massive safety signal for over 86 adverse events associated with the COVID-19 injections broken down into three categories, cognitive impairment and acceleration of dementia, number one. | ||
| Number two, psychiatric illnesses. | ||
| And number three, the most extreme psychiatric illnesses, homicidal and suicidal behavior. | ||
| That's published in a peer-reviewed medical journal. | ||
| So this is what, when I look at these people, yes, there's an MO, they're getting paid by pharmaceuticals, but they have also taken the vaccines and they are cognitive, in my opinion, they are cognitively impaired with psychiatric illness. | ||
| And so they can't connect. | ||
| They don't have a virgin brain like you do or I do. | ||
| We haven't been shot up with this. | ||
| We might have been shed upon by those who were recently vaccinated, but we can connect the dots. | ||
| We can see the truth. | ||
| These people literally cannot. | ||
| They're cognitively, mentally impaired. | ||
| And there's another psychological phenomenon that I don't know if it perfectly applies here, but I think it's worth mentioning. | ||
| It's the drowning man phenomenon. | ||
| And if you've ever taken lifeguard training or anything similar, they teach you that when a person is drowning, that one of the biggest threats at that time is that they'll drown you. | ||
| So they train you on different ways to deal with the drowning person. | ||
| I wonder if that's not a psychology here too, where they've taken this experimental injection. | ||
| They've taken these foreign bodies into their bodies. | ||
| And so there's kind of this drowning man syndrome where it's like they want you to drown with them. | ||
| They want you to inject yourself with this same stuff too. | ||
| They want you to go through whatever it is they're going through. | ||
| It's kind of like the drowning man psychology. | ||
| I wouldn't be surprised if there's a level of that. | ||
| I think we really saw it when the vaccines were being rolled out and people were taking it with all the with all the propaganda and promotion. | ||
| Brilliant analogy. | ||
| I love that. | ||
| I'm going to have to plagiarize that from you. | ||
| Brilliant. | ||
| Free use, free use. | ||
| There couldn't be any starker a contrast of this senior physician who was on the Henry Ford hospital study, Marcus Zervos, right? | ||
| You know him and the story behind him. | ||
| Well, enlighten the audience. | ||
| Enlighten the audience that doesn't. | ||
| So this was a study that ICANN network, Del Bigtree. | ||
| The Henry Ford hospital system was an ideal system to study the vaccines because they have all of the data real time in their system in Michigan, right? | ||
| So Del Bigtree flew up and he knew this guy. | ||
| He was the guy, the physician that did the Flintwater debacle and figured that out. | ||
| Said, okay, they got lots of money. | ||
| They can afford to do this. | ||
| So Dr. Zervos, Marcus Zervos, agreed to do the study in 2016. | ||
| And he promised Del Bigtree that he would do the study, non-vaccinated versus vaccinated, and look at the outcomes. | ||
| By the way, there's 10 such studies. | ||
| All of them show a dramatic, dramatic increase in severe diseases of all types compared to the non-vaccinated, those children that were vaccinated. | ||
| Long story short, he did the study. | ||
| Now, he promised Del Bigtree that he would publish this study, but I believe that he's a liar and a cheater and a pathetic human being. | ||
| And so he designed the study to cook the books and said, okay, I'll keep my promise with Del Bigtree. | ||
| I'll publish a study. | ||
| I'll cook the books. | ||
| And basically what he did was made the data literally devoid of any type of autism or really markedly lowered it. | ||
| Well, he did that, but little did he know that there were so many other diseases other than autism that the vaccine caused that there was huge safety signals in literally dozens of other diseases in the children that were vaccinated. | ||
| So what did he do? | ||
| He reneged on his promise to publish it and said, oh, I can't publish this. | ||
| My career will be destroyed. | ||
| Nobody will like me anymore. | ||
| I'll be Austrian. | ||
| Am I hearing this right? | ||
| Telling the truth. | ||
| Telling the truth in the medical industry can destroy your career. | ||
| You know, it's funny. | ||
| We start to see the parallels as this stuff is, as time goes on and this stuff is revealed. | ||
| It's everybody kind of understands, okay, politicians, they can be bought. | ||
| They can be corrupted with money. | ||
| Well, we come to find out. | ||
| So can doctors. | ||
| So can scientists. | ||
| So can people that are conducting these studies to get a desired result? | ||
| You know, I think that we've kind of learned that in the last five years. | ||
| This study would have proven beyond the shadow of a doubt, not that others have, they others have. | ||
| This study would have nailed the coffin shot. | ||
| And so really think about Del Bigtree was so mad, he went up with a hidden camera and a hidden mic and interviewed Dr. Zervos. | ||
| Now that would be illegal to do in the state of Florida, but it was perfectly legal. | ||
| But he was so convinced that Zervos was going to lie that he filmed it over dinner, much like James O'Keefe would do, right? | ||
| And so he actually got him on camera saying, yes, there were all these horrible outcomes. | ||
| And yes, the study was very well conducted and well controlled for, but I'm not going to publish it. | ||
| I'm not. | ||
| He actually invoked the name of one of my heroes of all time, Dr. Peter McCullough. | ||
| He goes, because by the way, Dr. Peter McCullough worked in that system for a while and I think probably knew Zervos, right? | ||
| So he said, I'm not going to have done to me like Peter McCullough had done to him. | ||
| Can you imagine? | ||
| Okay, he lies and is worried about his reputation and his income. | ||
| And he places that more important than saving literally countless hundreds of thousands of children globally. | ||
| Can you imagine that? | ||
| And he said, I'm just a weak person. | ||
| I'm a bad person. | ||
| You know, I was actually, I was floored because when I was in prison, I actually met people who were sent to prison because they stood up to the medical institutions, because they stood up to big pharma. | ||
| There's a lot of stories that could be told from people that had to go up against this system. | ||
| And, you know, maybe that's part of the intimidation factor. | ||
| You know, he talks about, hey, selfishly, I'm trying to maintain my life. | ||
| I'm trying to stay out of trouble here. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They see the punishments that people go through that stand up against the corruption and big pharma, whatever. | ||
| It scares them. | ||
| It scares them off. | ||
| Not Dale Big Treat, not Dr. Peter McCullen, not the doctors at the wellness company. | ||
| And that's why this partnership has been so great. | ||
| I do want to pivot to chronic pain. | ||
| Now, this is something that for me, it's kind of meaningful. | ||
| I'll explain why. | ||
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| All right, let's talk about chronic pain. | ||
| Now, this is something for me, you know, I was an athlete growing up. | ||
| I still like to try to play basketball as much as I can, but at 36 years old, it gets a little tougher, you know, to keep up with the young guys on the court. | ||
| Now you start to look at some of those young guys, you get a little jealous, you get a little envious that they still can get up and run every night. | ||
| You know, LeBron James is sidelined right now. | ||
| He's dealing with a chronic pain issue. | ||
| He's dealing with sciatica. | ||
| What can people do, aside from going to TWC.health slash Owen and getting the TheraBlue? | ||
| What can people do to try to relieve chronic pain or try to stave it off as long as possible? | ||
| You know, I think that you are talking to one of the experts on chronic pain. | ||
| And that's because I'm a disabled veteran. | ||
| I had a surgery gone bad at age 27. | ||
| I'm 72 now. | ||
| And I've had probably 25 back surgeries. | ||
| And I have a 17-segment spinal fusion. | ||
| In essence, I'm fused from my neck all the way down. | ||
| I was an athlete like you were very aggressive athlete, young, and much of this was iatrogenic, unfortunately, because I was young and stupid and thought I was immortal. | ||
| But be that as it may, I have a couple rules about chronic pain that I've developed over the last many, many, many decades. | ||
| First, never take narcotic ever, even if the doctors push it at you for chronic pain. | ||
| It's a failed strategy. | ||
| You use the analogy of, you know, how the flu vaccines were A failed strategy from the beginning because the mutation rate exceeds the rate of which we can keep up like a dog chasing its tail. | ||
| It's the same thing with narcotics. | ||
| Don't ever use narcotics ever for chronic pain. | ||
| It'll cause a great amount of complication. | ||
| So that's rule number one. | ||
| And so there's a lot of other strategies that I'm sure that you are familiar with. | ||
| But by and large, there's a lot of adaptative strategies which will, you know, it's not going to cure your pain, but it will diminish it. | ||
| I had the privilege of being with my friends, my dear friends, last week on a busy work week. | ||
| Dr. Peter McCullough and his wife, my wife, Dr. Let's see, Dr. Harvey Riesch was there as well. | ||
| And it was Harvey, Peter, and myself that were talking about the Thera Blue. | ||
| And we all said, well, I have chronic pain. | ||
| Well, Dr. McCall has run, you know, he runs every morning and he's got a bad knee on his right side. | ||
| He immediately put the Thera Blue on, got instant relief. | ||
| Now, sure, it's not going to be lifetime relief, but he's very objective. | ||
| Same thing with Dr. Harvey Riesch, the top epidemiologist MD in the world. | ||
| Very objective. | ||
| He has some chronic lower back pain. | ||
| He put it, rubbed it on his back. | ||
| Gone. | ||
| Are you sure, Harvey? | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Now, me myself, I was literally in a, you know, most of the week after having coming off an intense hospital rotation, my pain levels were really, really severe. | ||
| And I put a lot on. | ||
| Of course, it didn't bring me down from a pain score of eight to zero. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| But it did give me some temporary relief. | ||
| It brought me down from an eight to maybe a six or a five, at least temporarily. | ||
| So there you go. | ||
| I named names. | ||
| I gave you real stories and testimonies. | ||
| So 100% of the people that were in that circle looking at it and rubbing it each on our individual body parts were 100% successful in obtaining at least partial relief. | ||
| For Peter and Harvey, it was complete relief temporarily. | ||
| Well, and you just said, I think that the key factor here is when you talk about pharma or narcotics, these are things that are more penetrative and can actually have negative side effects. | ||
| When you're talking about something that's topical, you're not dealing with the negative side effects, you're dealing with relief. | ||
| And that's kind of been, my Thera Blue is on the way, by the way. | ||
| I'm looking forward to rubbing that on my knee before I go and play basketball with the young kids again. | ||
| But that's the difference is it's not something that has negative side effects. | ||
| It's something that's going to give you relief and let you do the things that you love pain-free. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| I think you nailed it. | ||
| But you still have to be careful. | ||
| You're half my age and you're in incredible shape and you look like a great athlete. | ||
| But again, you know, you still have to accept we're all in the process of dying. | ||
| Come on. | ||
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All you have to do is look at a picture of yourself. | |
| Some people are trying to stave it off. | ||
| You know, some people want to beat it. | ||
| They want to be. | ||
| Not going to work, but they're going to try. | ||
| We can't, you know, we're all in the process of dying slowly. | ||
| So we can't reverse that process. | ||
| But we can be smart like you, and we can optimize what we can do. | ||
| Well, and here's, and this is what I like to say to people: you, you know, you, you want to be able, like we just said, you want to be able to do the things you love comfortably. | ||
| Sometimes it gets a little harder with age, or maybe there's an accident, something happens, whatever, and it gets a little more difficult. | ||
| So to me, it's all about finding balance. | ||
| It's all about finding things that work that don't have the negative side effects, that don't have the things that are actually going to set you back and make it worse. | ||
| So, you know, healthy diet, exercise, stretch, you know, that's my big thing when I, when I talk about some of the chronic pain issues that I have, and that's just from, I think it's mostly, you know, when you play basketball four or five nights a week and you're, you know, constantly landing like this, eventually something's going to start to, something's going to start to ache. | ||
| You know, you look at LeBron James, he's on the sideline right now. | ||
| He's dealing with sciatica. | ||
| Now, I'm a little skeptical. | ||
| I think he's just trying to find an excuse for extra rest, but that's just my conspiracy theory. | ||
| But nonetheless, I remember when I had sciatica too, it can sideline you. | ||
| It can make it difficult and painful even to walk. | ||
| And yes, I can rub a topical solution like Therablue on it and I can get that relief, but you got to make sure you're stretching too. | ||
| You got to make sure you're stretching. | ||
| You got to make sure you're targeting those muscles that are achy too. | ||
| To me, that's the answer. | ||
| Hey, find something that gives you relief, lets you do the things that you love pain-free, but don't ignore it. | ||
| Don't ignore it and act like this thing goes away. | ||
| Get the relief, enjoy the things you love, stretch it, target it. | ||
| You know, if you need to, if you want to ask a doctor about stretches or other things that you can do, there's other things in the world that might ease inflammation. | ||
| I know some of the stuff that you guys put in the Thera Blue are part of it, like turmeric. | ||
| That's a big one. | ||
| Turmeric is huge for me. | ||
| I can't get enough turmeric, especially when I'm sore. | ||
| Another component to the strategy is adjust your self-expectations. | ||
| And I'm a miserable failure at this. | ||
| Just ask my wife. | ||
| I will, my solution when I'm in pain is to get out of pain, is to go work harder in the gym. | ||
| And I hurt myself. | ||
| I have to be okay with, I'm 72 years old. | ||
| You look great, by the way. | ||
| For 72, very impressive. | ||
| I would have never guessed it, especially all the stuff that you've been through. | ||
| That's very impressive. | ||
| Good for you. | ||
| It's, I have to, I have to, as my wife says, Jim, you don't love yourself. | ||
| Love yourself. | ||
| Give yourself some grace. | ||
| Stop demanding this of your body. | ||
| You're hurting yourself. | ||
| Adjust your expectations. | ||
| And I'm not good at doing that. | ||
| I am right there with you, man. | ||
| We're creatures of habit, and we want to deny. | ||
| We want to deny that we get old. | ||
| And then sometimes we get a not so friendly reminder that, well, it's inevitable. | ||
| It's inevitable. | ||
| All right. | ||
| One more thing I want to talk to you about before we get off. | ||
| And that is seasonal illness. | ||
| Now, in my social groups, a lot of the kids, a lot of the little ones recently got a pretty bad fever, pretty bad flu. | ||
| It kind of went around. | ||
| We think it happened on Halloween when we were all hanging out and talking, all the kids running around, reaching into all the different baskets and meeting a bunch of different kids. | ||
| And so a bunch of my friends' kids got sick. | ||
| Everybody says, oh, it must have happened on Halloween. | ||
| They all kind of went through the same process. | ||
| Most of the adults didn't really get sick. | ||
| Now, is that something where it's just strictly an immune system deal, where it's like a respiratory virus or something else where the kids maybe haven't had their bodies introduced to it yet? | ||
| And so they get sick, but the adults already have some immunity, so they get introduced to it. | ||
| They don't get sick. | ||
| And what are some tricks that you tell people to avoid seasonal illness as we're getting less sun, so less vitamin D. | ||
| The temperature gets colder, so you got other factors that are causing flu and other bugs to go around. | ||
| What are some tricks, some advice that you give people to try to avoid these seasonal illnesses? | ||
| First and most important, you need vitamin D levels, not just a dose. | ||
| You want your levels to be the upper limits of normal, not down here at 20 or 30, but up here at 90 to 100. | ||
| And you have to prove that by a blood test. | ||
| That in of itself will dramatically reduce. | ||
| Number two, whenever I go to the hospital, whenever I go to the hospital or I go on an airplane ride or you are in crowds, use these products. | ||
| You may see this one on the screen. | ||
| This is immune defense and this goes in the nose. | ||
| So I do this multiple times a day. | ||
| You can't overdose on it. | ||
| And also there's an oral form, immune defense orally. | ||
| These diseases cannot get started unless there's a critical inoculum, a critical massive number of pathogens, whether it's a virus, whether it's a bacteria, whether it's a fungus, whether it's a parasite. | ||
| There has to be X number on the really tiny nose hairs and in the throat. | ||
| This will wipe it out. | ||
| And then it's, you can't overdose on it. | ||
| So I would, I carry these with me everywhere I go. | ||
| And when I'm at the hospital, literally, I'll use them six times a day. | ||
| When I'm in an airport, I'll use them six times a day. | ||
| So that's been a great advantage for me. | ||
| You know, I'm the same way about stuff like that. | ||
| And I think maybe it's because I'm impatient. | ||
| So it's like, if I have, if I'm, if I'm concerned about something, I'm constantly addressing it. | ||
| Okay, let's say, like you said, you're at the hospital, a bunch of bunch of viruses going around respiratory stuff. | ||
| It's like you're constantly making sure. | ||
| All right, I'm getting the vitamin D. I'm getting the immunity products. | ||
| I'm making sure that I'm protected. | ||
| You know, to me, it seems like somebody might see that and be like, okay, this is a crazy person. | ||
| Well, you know what? | ||
| I might be crazy, but I'm not sick. | ||
| I'm not sick. | ||
| I'm healthy. | ||
| So I'm crazy, but I'm healthy. | ||
| And folks, I would just say, you know, these are the doctors. | ||
| This is why the wellness company is, first of all, it's full of heroes in my eyes, these doctors. | ||
| So you're going to get products to help you this winter. | ||
| You're going to get products to try to keep your immunity high, push back against different things like a flu, a fever, a cough, a cold, whatever. | ||
| Shop with the good guys. | ||
| Shop with the heroes that you know are the good doctors at the wellness company. | ||
| And that's why when we had this partnership, we're on episode three here of Ask the Doctor. | ||
| That's why when we had this partnership, it was so important to me so that people know, hey, look, you don't have to go to the corrupt medical institution that just wants to turn you into a profit center. | ||
| There are good doctors out there. | ||
| You guys have organized a company to deliver products and goods. | ||
| By the way, well beyond my expectations, the stuff that you guys have, I was like, oh, they'll have a couple of products that are good. | ||
| Your guys' store is wild. | ||
| Do you even have beef now? | ||
| You do even know that you guys are selling beef. | ||
| I was like, what don't you guys have at the wellness company? | ||
| It's really amazing stuff. | ||
| So we're glad this partnership worked. | ||
| But again, for people that are maybe, because some people tend to get sicker more often, right? | ||
| They might need to do a little extra than somebody that has a real strong immune system. | ||
| So, again, what would you recommend? | ||
| The vitamin D, what other kind of immunity products or things can they be looking for? | ||
| We have an immune complex oral capsule that is very valuable, has much of the ingredients that you had actually mentioned. | ||
| So, that's very important as well. | ||
| Vitamin C. Vitamin C is extraordinarily valuable. | ||
| And I would recommend, you know, at least for an adult, at least two grams a day if your stomach tolerates that. | ||
| And most do. | ||
| Most tolerate it very well. | ||
| So, I think, and then the emergency medical kit, extremely important. | ||
| This is a kit of eight potentially life-saving prescription medications that the wellness company, after a consultation, telemedicine-free telemedicine consultation, you can buy this. | ||
| You can't duplicate this anywhere else in the world. | ||
| Listen, your doctor's office won't do this. | ||
| Your insurance companies won't do this. | ||
| They're a bust. | ||
| You can't go to a doctor's office and say, I want these eight drugs prescribed now. | ||
| And by the way, I want to get as many refills on each one when I run out. | ||
| This is what we do. | ||
| We've revolutionized medicine. | ||
| We are the most successful, rapidly growing parallel healthcare system in the universe. | ||
| And I know that for sure because I've seen the metrics. | ||
| Well, you guys have a bunch of great products there. | ||
| But when I was first looking at this stuff, to me, these emergency, these medical emergency kits, this is like the greatest thing that you guys can offer because most houses, I would guess, I would assume, if you haven't take care of it, but most houses have some form of an emergency medical kit, whatever bandages, wraps, maybe some other vitamins, topical stuff. | ||
| But it's like, I don't want to think about it. | ||
| I don't want to go down a list and figure out what do I need to put in this medical kit when I can go right to TWC.health slash ON and you guys already have multiple different options put together. | ||
| You can look at all the stuff that's in there, get it taken care of. | ||
| Now, did I hear you correctly? | ||
| For some of these, do you need to get a doctor's green light or how does that process go? | ||
| Yes, for any prescription, it's legally mandated that, yes, you have, and that's incorporated into the price. | ||
| So, yes, you have to have a physician like me on our telemedicine team to authorize that. | ||
| Write the scripts, make sure you're not allergic to anything or have any other contraindicating health conditions. | ||
| So, yes, not for the supplements, but yes, for the prescription. | ||
| And by the way, we have about, I think we now have about eight distinct separate kits, prescription medical kits. | ||
| So, so these are, they're tailored for individual the contagion kit, for example, is separate from the emergency medical kit. | ||
| This is this is also very valuable. | ||
| We have pediatric kits. | ||
| We have the traveling kit. | ||
| So, one of your pets, you got one for your pets in there. | ||
| I think if we don't, we will soon have one. | ||
| It was on the website. | ||
| I got it right here. | ||
| You got the positive. | ||
| It's a play on words. | ||
| Okay, you're teaching me something that I didn't even know. | ||
| I'm scooping the doctor today. | ||
| You're scooping me, you're making me look like a buffoon. | ||
| I was just in a major meeting. | ||
| You can't keep up with all the products you guys have. | ||
| All right, I we've almost gone, we've gone long here with Dr. James Thorpe. | ||
| We really appreciate it, but I do want to open up the phone lines. | ||
| If anybody wants to try to get a call in before we sign off, we'll put that number up. | ||
| I'll open up the phone line: 747-200-5560-747-200-5560. | ||
| We can try to squeeze in a call here last minute with Dr. James Thorpe before he goes. | ||
| I think I've got all of my questions answered. | ||
| I will just say this because I was learning this. | ||
| We were learning more about you today. | ||
| So, you are a veteran? | ||
| I am. | ||
| I am a United States Air Force veteran. | ||
| I've been disabled. | ||
| I wasn't disabled on the combat field, but more on the athletic field before I went in. | ||
| But my active duty certainly exacerbated. | ||
| Well, that's incredible. | ||
| I mean, just you coming on here and talking about what's happened with your back, 72 years old, Air Force veteran. | ||
| I mean, I would look at you and I'd say, okay, if I'm approaching 72, I'm looking for some advice from Dr. James Thorpe on how I can increase longevity because you look great. | ||
| You sound great for your age. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| And I know it's a challenge. | ||
| You know, I know it's a challenge. | ||
| Just going into your 30s, I think sometimes we start to say, oh boy, what's coming in the 40s? | ||
| What's coming in the 50s? | ||
| There's hope for us. | ||
| They're telling me there's hope for us. | ||
| There is hope. | ||
| There's always hope. | ||
| There's hope for us, young guys. | ||
| I'll never forget there was a gentleman, I think he was like 90 the last time I saw him. | ||
| This was years ago when I was a member of a YMCA in St. Louis. | ||
| He used to go into the Y. | ||
| He couldn't move too much. | ||
| Like I said, I think he was about 90, but he would go into the Y, he'd shuffle into the gym every day. | ||
| And for about 30 minutes, he would just stand at the free throw line and just shoot free throws for about 30 minutes a day. | ||
| And I'd always tell him, I'd say, you know what? | ||
| If I'm 90 and I'm doing what you're doing, then I'm feeling pretty good. | ||
| I think I'm doing something right. | ||
| I love that. | ||
| And, you know, my daddy, probably your daddy told you the same thing, you know, and so much wisdom from my father who's passed on now, but said he called me Jimbo. | ||
| You would say, you know, Jimbo, first he said, you know, do something that you love doing that you have a passion for doing, and you'll never work a day in your life. | ||
| That turned out to be true. | ||
| I've got like three jobs now. | ||
| The second thing he told me is, Jimbo, the biggest part of success is showing up. | ||
| And so, like your buddy at the gym, you know, he showed up. | ||
| He couldn't do much, but he showed up. | ||
| That's part of winning and succeeding in life. | ||
| Just show up. | ||
| Do you ever have some patients or some older guys come up to you and they're saying, Hey, Dr. Thorpe, how can I improve my golf game? | ||
| My shoulder hurts. | ||
| My back hurts. | ||
| What can I do? | ||
| I can't get my golf swing on. | ||
| What do you tell these guys? | ||
| Because you know they're the golf game. | ||
| Once you reach a certain phase, if you play golf, it's like that's all that matters to you. | ||
| That's all you can think about now. | ||
| You're like, my kid is screaming in the background. | ||
| How do I improve my sand game? | ||
| I'm laughing so hard now because Peter McCullough has such a sense of humor and he loves shooting these reels. | ||
| And he said, Look at Jim, there's a puppet thing over here. | ||
| Let's go shoot a reel. | ||
| So he goes, Now, you better get a hole in one on this one, right? | ||
| And yeah. | ||
| And he says, he says, so you're filming, and then I'll come over and say something. | ||
| I got my hole in one on the putt pot and he comes over and he goes, you got a hole in one, Dr. James Thorpe. | ||
| What did you do to get this hole in one? | ||
| I said, Dr. McCullough, I use the ultimate spike detox to stiffen up my putter. | ||
| This was no script either. | ||
| It was just one take, one take brilliance. | ||
| It's on there. | ||
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| Well, everybody knows you got to have a stiff putter if you want to get, if you want to get into the hole. | ||
| Everybody knows that that's the program. | ||
| We're talking about golf is what we're talking about. | ||
| Yes, we're talking about golf. | ||
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But gentlemen, you want to do better in your golf game? | |
| Stiffen up your putter. | ||
| Oh my gosh, brilliant. | ||
| I couldn't have said it better myself. | ||
| And we are still talking about golf. | ||
| Folks, remember the Black Friday sale, 48 hours only. | ||
| Those medical kits that we talked about, the spike detox that he talked about, you've got 25% off some. | ||
| You've got 20% off some of the medical kits and other stuff. | ||
| 48 hours only. | ||
| So you've got the 19th and the 20th tomorrow, Thursday, the 20th. | ||
| And then that's it. | ||
| This early Black Friday sale comes to an end. | ||
| Dr. James Thorpe has been our guest today. | ||
| Well, you've just been great. | ||
| You've been incredible. | ||
| I've certainly enjoyed our conversation. | ||
| Any parting words for our audience before we sign off here today? | ||
| Just say that, listen, don't trust any healthcare professional, including myself. | ||
| You are your own best advocate. | ||
| Nobody will advocate for you or for your loved ones better than you. | ||
| Thank you for having me on, Owen. | ||
| Well said. | ||
| Dr. James Thorpe from the Wellness Company, TWC.health slash Owen. | ||
| We appreciate your time today. | ||
| Thanks to everybody for tuning in. |
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