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Feb. 5, 2025 - Owen Shroyer Live
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OSL 96 - Trump Declares USA Will Take Over Gaza Strip
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Ladies and gentlemen, tonight is a special edition of Owen Troyer Live, episode 96.
Trump declares the United States of America will take over the Gaza Strip.
And this is obviously broken all the headlines.
It's completely changed course of the opening salvo of President Trump's second administration.
And I want to let you know what we have coming up tonight.
I'm gonna be doing my response to this.
I'm then going to bring in Adam King, who has lived in the Gaza Strip.
And obviously, situations in Israel and Jewish American relations are something very near and dear to him.
So we're gonna get his take.
He can respond to some of my stuff.
I'm then either going to open up the phone lines and or open up an X spaces.
Um so we can try to bring in more commentary and um more opinion on this uh truly game-changing news story.
Uh I mean, it's uh it it's truly huge.
So I'm gonna open up with my response and then go to Adam King, and then we'll open up for your responses as well.
So let me just start off with the clips so we can get the full context of what we're gonna be discussing tonight.
We will first start with the announcement that um really shook the world, I would say.
I mean, at least it shook the United States of America and the news presses are overheating right now because of this.
The social media sites are going crazy.
Here is the statement that might change the course of the Middle East for decades to come from President Trump.
The only reason the Palestinians want to go back to Gaza is they have no alternative.
It's right now a demolition site.
This is just a demolition site.
Virtually every building is down.
They're living under fallen concrete that's very dangerous and very precarious.
They instead can occupy all of a beautiful area with homes and safety, and they can live out their lives in peace and harmony instead of having to go back and do it again.
The U.S. will take over the Gaza Strip, and we will do a job with it too.
We'll own it and be responsible for dismantling all of the dangerous unexploded bombs and other weapons on the site.
Level the site and get rid of the destroyed buildings, level it out, create an economic development that will supply unlimited numbers of jobs and housing for the people of the area.
Do a real job, do something different, just can't go back.
If you go back, it's gonna end up the same way it has for a hundred years.
So that was the statement during the joint press conference that has obviously become the number one story in America, maybe the world, but definitely in America, definitely in Israel, as Netanyahu standing next to him at the joint press conference.
And I have to tell you, just to kind of open up with some opinion, perhaps, before we play the second clip, and I really get into my first response to this.
It is rather ironic, I have to say, that while Trump is sitting there talking about the devastation in the Gaza Strip and how it's basically been turned into rubble, the man that is standing four feet from him is the one responsible for it.
I find that extremely ironic.
Uh it's impossible to ignore that dynamic.
As he was doing it in the Oval Office talking about the devastation on the Gaza Strip, which if you've seen the recent footage, it's it is it Trump accurately describes it.
It is a demolition site.
But he's standing next to the guy that Green lit that demolition.
So that was kind of a uh ironic dynamic, I think to uh to that moment.
Now Trump goes a little bit more into detail when he starts taking questions from the press.
So I think it's worthy to play this clip as well before we move forward.
Just to follow up on what you were saying about the Gazans leaving Gaza, going to other countries.
One, where exactly are you suggesting that they should go?
And two, are you saying they should return after it's rebuilt?
And if not, who do you envision living there?
I envision the world, people living there, the world's people.
I think you'll make that into an international unbelievable place.
I think the potential in the Gaza Strip is unbelievable.
And I think the entire world, representatives from all over the world will be there, and they'll and they'll live there.
Palestinians also, Palestinians will live there, many people will live there.
But uh they've tried the other and they've tried it for decades and decades and decades.
It's not gonna work, it didn't work, it will never work.
And uh you have to learn from history.
History has, you know, just can't let it keep repeating itself.
We have an opportunity to do something that could be uh phenomenal, and I don't want to be cute, I don't want to be a wise guy, but the Riviera of the Middle East, this could be something that could be so bad, this could be so magnificent.
But more importantly than that, is the people that have been absolutely destroyed that live there now can live in peace in a much better uh situation because they're living in hell, and those people will not be able to live in peace.
We'll make sure that it's done world class, it'll be wonderful for the people.
Palestinians, Palestinians, mostly we're talking about, and I have a feeling that despite them saying no, I have a feeling that the king in Jordan and that the general president, but that the general in Egypt will open their hearts and will give us the kind of land that we need to get this done, and people can live in harmony and a peace.
Thank you all very much.
All right.
So a little more context, maybe into the mind of Trump, or what he's thinking about the Gaza Strip and its future.
I I think I want to play one more clip, actually.
Because this is significant, and it was from Trump at the Oval Office signing executive orders.
This was before Netanyahu joined him in the Oval Office when he was signing an executive order in I on Iran.
This is worthy of playing too, and then I will give my initial response to all of it.
It's Iran uh and their proxies who will threaten to retaliate against you and your team by killing you guys or taking out all.
Well, they haven't done that, and uh that would be a terrible thing for them to do, not because of me.
If they did that, they would be obliterated.
That'd be the end.
I've left instructions.
If they do it, they get obliterated, there won't be anything left, and they shouldn't be able to do it.
And Biden should have said that, but he never did.
I don't know why, lack of intelligence, perhaps.
But he never said it.
Uh if that happens to a leader or close to a leader, frankly, if you had other people involved also, uh you would call for total obliteration of a state that did it.
That would include Iran.
So I'm signing up.
All right.
Now let's let me put it all into perspective.
We'll bring on my guest, and then we'll open Up a spaces and get some other opinions on this.
Now, while weighing my response, I first thought, let's give it some time.
I'm sure there will be other developments in this plot, and Netanyahu is here for the entire week, which is very significant.
But then I thought, well, this isn't about a 24 hour or 48 hour or 72 hour window of time to understand what's really happening here.
This is months, years, or really even decades, potentially, to fully understand what the ramifications of this are.
Now, let me tell you what scares me, and why my geopolitical philosophy is to completely decouple from the Middle East.
Just completely decouple and have nothing to do with it.
All the wars we've been involved in, all the treasure and blood we've sacrificed.
I want to completely decouple.
I want to remove entirely the United States from the situation.
And so the fact that Trump has to come out and say that about Iran and talk about his life being threatened by Iran, which, whether you believe that or not, is definitely being boosted into his ear by Mossad propaganda intelligence, just like they did to the intelligence communities claiming that those were Iranian drones off the East Coast, and there was an Iranian mothership off the East Coast.
That was total Mossad propaganda.
And then the people they gave it to, highest intelligence sources, most trustworthy sources, total propaganda.
They ran to the media, they ran with it.
It was all fake.
So there might be a level of that going into Trump's ear.
There could be a real threat from Iran too.
Point is I want nothing to do with any of it.
I don't want my president to be threatened because of Iran and Israel relations or the larger millennia issues between Jews and Arabs.
I want nothing to do with any of it.
But let's talk about what this actually means.
And my really first gut reaction to this.
Trump's first two weeks, it was literally 14 days.
Trump had been in office as of yesterday.
And he was just kicking ass and taking names.
It was nothing but forward momentum.
It was nothing but America first.
It was nothing but wind in the sails for American conservatives, the MAGA movement, the America First movement, common sense policy.
I mean, so many great things happening.
And this to me, I can't help but but say it.
It's it's derailed it.
That's just the God's honest truth.
Now, I'm still what's happening with the Department of Government efficiency and crumbling the cornerstones of the leftist anti-American agenda, the Department of Education, USAID.
Uh going after the corrupt prosecutors, going after the corrupt FBI agents.
I mean, there's so much good.
There's so much great.
It's been incredible.
I've been riding high.
And then to have to deal with this today, and that, and that smirking, grinning Netanyahu, because the truth is, from my analysis, the power dynamics in that room were Netanyahu was in charge, not President Trump.
That's just that's just my God honest opinion.
The power dynamics from the Oval Office to the press conference was Netanyahu is in charge, not President Trump.
And that hurt me a little bit.
And then there's the video of Trump taking care of Netanyahu's chair.
And I mean, that's just, I don't know.
It just adds to the whole thing.
I didn't want to hear about this crap.
I didn't want to hear about Israel and Netanyahu's agenda.
I didn't want to hear about the Palestinians.
I didn't want to hear about the Gaza Strip.
I wanted to hear about America.
We're going to take care of the Gaza Strip.
We can't even take care of New York.
We can't even take care of Los Angeles.
Now I gotta deal with the Gaza Strip on the other side of the planet.
What's that going to cost me?
Military?
Blood?
Treasure?
And then you bring the Arab world, Iran back into it.
Now, I will say this.
I don't think Trump is.
Trump does not act in haste.
So when he talks about Egypt and Iran and Jordan and Iran and the Muslim nations and the Arab nations, he's already got all the pieces on the board to know what he's doing with this situation.
Now, the Palestinians are a completely different story.
They don't want to go anywhere but the Gaza Strip.
They don't want to go anywhere but to what they view as their homeland, Palestine.
And I don't want to get into a historical argument on this, but that's what they believe.
So forget about what I think or what you think.
That's what they believe.
That's how they feel.
They would rather live in the rubble of the Gaza Strip than go somewhere else and give that land up to, and they will view it as Israel.
It doesn't matter.
They can put U.S. flags everywhere and call it a 51st state.
It won't matter.
They will view it as Israel.
And it's that view of America that basically has intertwined us into this whole war to begin with.
So that's kind of the larger complexities of the issue, why I just want to decouple entirely.
But I mean, to me, it just was a momentum killer.
Now, can this turn into something good?
Yes.
And probably for most of the world's population, this will be something good.
But it's pretty clear the Palestinians and the people that live in the Gaza Strip are getting nothing.
They're getting screwed.
They're being tossed aside.
And I don't know what you do about that.
They're not going to go to Jordan.
They're not going to go to Egypt.
What are you going to bribe them?
I don't even think they want, I don't even think a bribe would work.
And really, Jordan and Egypt might be in a negotiating position with Trump for him to twist their arm and get him to do something, but it's not going to be up to them.
It's going to be up to the almost two million people that abandoned the Gaza Strip when it got turned into rubble as the war was going on.
And the bombs were going off.
And they're, they're not that in fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they're all going back right now just to try to stake a claim.
Now there is the aspect that Trump is right about.
This situation historically has never worked.
There's been nothing but bloodshed and war.
It doesn't matter who's in power on either side of that fence.
But I go back to the same approach, which is I really don't care.
I don't care.
And I don't think it's any of America's business either way.
So that's kind of my response to all of this.
Part of me wants to trust Trump.
Part of me wants to trust Trump and his instincts and his acumen and his understanding of the situation, which is better than mine.
But then another part of me feels like, man, it's like we're almost there.
We're almost truly America first.
We're almost just America first, America always, America only.
And then here comes Netanyahu and reminds us who's really in charge.
And it's also worth mentioning that Netanyahu comes to Trump and Washington, D.C. a desperate man.
He's not, he has failed.
He talks about the three things he wanted to accomplish.
He failed on all fronts.
They didn't win the war.
They didn't remove Hamas.
They didn't get the hostages back.
He failed on every single front.
And he's lost credibility and popularity in Israel.
We don't even need to bring up these illegitimate globalist UN courts or international criminal courts.
They're illegitimate.
They have no teeth anyway.
But you know, they're all against him.
Some of his top generals, some of the top people in the IDF have now turned against him.
Many Israelis, he might have been popular when he won re-election.
Many Israelis don't feel so strongly about him anymore.
He came to Washington, DC as a desperate man.
And somehow he leaves here more powerful than ever.
Why did Trump throw him that bone?
What does America get out of this?
So to me, I I just don't get it.
I want to decouple.
And it feels like, even though, look, the momentum for the America First common sense movement and everything we've done in the first two weeks is still there.
It's still going.
It's kind of a separate rail in a way.
But I I just can't help it.
And it's and it's just true.
I'm not the only one that feels this way.
This felt like a major momentum bust.
And it felt like Netanyahu coming in here and just crashing our momentum.
And just a smug reminder that he's in charge and his priorities will be put first.
So I that's just my first response.
And again, this isn't to me because I was like, well, is it a 78-hour let's wait and see what happened?
No, I I think that this is probably long term.
We're not going to really know the true ramifications for long term unless unless things get violent, which I hope is not the case, but that I think is unfortunately a distinct reality.
Uh just knowing how things go in that region.
All right.
So, as I said, eventually we're going to open up an ex-spaces.
I want to bring in Adam King.
This is a situation near and dear to his heart.
He cares about the fate of Israel.
He's also lived in the Gaza Strip.
And so I invited him on to get his take, and he can respond to my take.
And he brought something up to me earlier when I was talking to him that there might be a different strategy that Trump has with this deal that we just aren't aware of yet because it hasn't manifested.
So uh Adam King from the Adam King show joins me now with uh his response.
Adam, thanks for joining me.
Yeah, of course.
Thanks for having me, Owen.
I appreciate the opportunity to uh provide a different perspective on this whole thing.
And I'm watching you blackpill so hard on this.
And uh I'm not trying to blackpill.
I just I that's just that's just the heart, man.
That's just where I'm at.
Yeah, I get it.
You know, you're looking at it, wondering why, and there's like this massive media influence that kind of portrays and brands Israel as like this pariah state in the alt right.
Um, and it's like become like an uh an epidemic inside of this political movement, and you have people all over blaming Israel for everything.
Like, I I can't wait till the JFI the JFK files drop, and we find out that it wasn't Israel, you know, it was actually a Palestinian that killed RFK.
And um, you know, don't get me into the Sir Han Surhan thing.
I don't wanna let's talk about today's news.
We could we could talk about it.
There's gonna be a big reveal in the coming months about Israel, and a lot of people's heads are gonna change.
And, you know, there's a a real false misconception that is extremely well funded about Israel.
Um, but focusing on this issue, this is amazing for America, actually, because there's so many things happening on the sidelines outside of the scope of the war between Israel and Gaza.
Um, but you know, I saw it just the opposite that you saw.
You saw it that Trump is just like being uh, you know, Netanyahu's employee.
I I saw it the other way around.
It was almost as if you know the win for Israel would have been to take the Gaza Strip, but Trump's like, no, we're taking that, it's ours, it's America's.
You know, it's it and and that's just some perspective that Trump has that nobody else has.
He's an expansionist, you know, like a William McKinley type of a president, and he he's giving us Greenland, God willing, we conquer Canada peacefully, uh, because I'm all about it.
But now the Gaza Strip, too.
He just sees things in such an out-of-the-box fashion.
And the truth is is the relationship between the Gazans and the Israelis is completely untenable.
And if you don't like what you saw for the last 16 months, uh there has to be some sort of relocation of one of the parties, or we're gonna be right back here again because it's been going on my whole life.
I've never not known this.
I did live in the Gaza Strip.
The most peaceful time between Israel and the Gaza Strip was before Israel gave up the settlements in the Gaza Strip and gave them the territory to rule.
In 2005, they elected Hamas shortly after, and Hamas doesn't have free and fair elections.
So it's just been one repetitive thing after another on this border.
So what about the uh the Ben Gurion canal?
Right.
So this is like the real thing that's going on is that Russia and China made bricks, and that really challenges the hegemony of the dollar.
And so, in response, America has the IMEC, the Israel Middle East uh, the India Middle East corridor.
And the IMEC was like this kind of like security blanket that guaranteed the relationship between Saudi Arabia and Israel without Saudi Arabia having to get into the Abraham Accords because it was really highly politicized.
And Saudi Arabia wanted to be in it for all the economic gain, but and the security protection against Iran, because you also have to remember that Saudi Arabia's number one enemy is Iran.
So the Middle East is a pressure cooker.
You said earlier, you don't want to be involved in Israel's war with the Arabs.
Israel's war with the Arabs was largely solved by President Trump.
The only Arabs that want to fight Israel today are the Palestinians because they're wholly funded by the Iranian government.
So the fact that Iran and Israel have this beef.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Too soon.
That's so funny.
Uh it's uh it's a there it is.
Look, guys, the Jews are doing it again.
Please, man.
I'm getting my house back in Gaza, right on the beach in Shiradayah.
Yeah, I bet.
I bet you are.
I bet you are.
And I'm not non-apologetic about it.
I'm gonna build a huge house.
Uh I I don't I'm a boat dock off the I'm gonna raise my American flag right there in that American territory.
Maybe maybe you can go down into the sea and find that tier that Biden built that sank.
Right, exactly.
The 320 million.
You can use some of those, uh, some of that equipment to build a dock.
Exactly.
So I will say those I when you brought up the Ben Gurion Canal, I was curious.
And I said, okay, if there's a strategic maneuver here, then that's one thing.
So here's the thing with the Ben Gurion Canal that you gotta know.
The Suez Canal is really outdated.
You ever like drive and they're doing roadways?
It's also very dangerous with Somalia and all this stuff around there, and and you know, like there's Islamic regimes all throughout that region in Sudan, and it's really a chaotic crazy place to do business.
So, but have you ever been like on a two a one-lane, uh two-lane highway, and there's road traffic, and they have to stop one lane, and you have to sit there and wait for all the other lanes to go, and then the the road guy says, okay, and you gotta go into the left, you're going on you're on the right side, but you gotta steer into the oncoming traffic lane because there's only two lanes.
That's what the Suez Canal is like.
There's only room for one vessel through the whole Suez Canal, so it's either going from the Mediterranean to the Indian Ocean or from the Indian Ocean to Europe in the Mediterranean.
There's a lot of traffic, it's not a good canal system.
So the Ben Gurion Canal system is more than double the size of the Suez Canal and can fit two ships going simultaneously in both directions.
So you can have traffic going from the Indian Ocean to Europe and from Europe going all the way out to the Indian Ocean, connecting Europe and China.
So the IMEC, the Indian Middle East corridor, is like this really it also is kind of like this balance for this the new Silk Road project that China has with Europe to try to bring the eastern products into Europe.
So this is how Trump cuts off the bricks.
Well, now he has to acquire Greenland, I think, for this vision to be complete.
Canada without a doubt.
Canada, that's not really a serious thing.
Uh, but but I think Greenland plus the Ben Gurion Canal offers a trade route initiative that can compete with BRICS and the Chinese Silk Road.
It's unfortunate.
It's unfortunate that we're in this position because of bad politics and bad policy for decades, because really Russia should be the American ally.
Um, and and that would be the most powerful partnership in the history of the world.
But you know, the Victoria Newlands in the world and and the NATO money launderers have have completely sabotaged that.
So I don't know if that's even possible.
Although Putin has been very outspoken about his support for Donald Trump recently, or at least he's been positive in his public commentary.
Well, I would just say this in closing, and um I'm gonna start up a space here that uh you're you're welcome to join.
But I here's what I will say, and I and I and I do think Trump probably feels the same way, even though he's obviously being yanked around in all directions.
He's the president, of course, with all the influence.
But I I really do want the best for everybody involved.
Since since I have to care, since now it's somehow my country's policy to be involved in this crap, which is my big issue.
Uh I I really do help that there's some sort of a permanent solution.
We had the Abraham Accords, Biden blew that up, the war started, and obviously the rest is history, and that kind of brought us to this point.
So I think the major issue here is gonna be the Palestinians.
Um, and I guess the world is just gonna I I don't know.
We'll we'll see what the world's response to this is, we'll see what the Arabs world response to this is.
They obviously want to go back, they're not gonna accept this, so I don't know how you deal with that issue.
Well, they want their global caliphate anyway, and Israel stands in the way of that force just jutting itself into Europe.
You know, I wanted to say they just want to get rid of Israel.
They don't, there's no global caliphate, they can't even they can barely control a small plot of land.
Who does?
Who could barely control?
The Palestinians.
Yeah, exactly.
Well, they don't even have a trash collection agency in Gaza.
Israel administers their electricity, their water, their trash collection, and it's all at the expense of the Israeli people.
You know, like there's a very famous lawsuit in the Israeli Supreme Court with the a privately held electric company that is mandated by the government of Israel to spend their own revenues to turn the lights on in Gaza, and Gaza has this like massive bill that they haven't paid for like 20 years, and it's a major Supreme Court case that they just refuse to pay their electrical bills.
So, you know, there's so many different things like that where where like Israel is always given such a bad rap and falsely by the media, and you know, it's like the enemy of the UN.
And but but the truth is is Israel's the best friend of America.
The proof is in the pudding.
Oh no, I'm not uh I'm not giving you that.
No, you know what?
No, no, no, no, no.
Israel does that to themselves, and you're never you're never gonna convince me that Israel is our greatest ally.
I'm never gonna, I'm never gonna believe that.
Well, think about it like this, Owen.
Without Zionists who really believed in America and and America first and Donald Trump, American Jewish Zionists, Donald Trump would have never won that election.
He spent 444.
Well, listen to this.
He spent 448 million dollars of to win the 2024 election.
Great.
200 million of that was donated by Jews.
Great.
So Jews own Trump.
Great.
I'm not saying they own Trump.
So there it is.
So there it is.
You come out and say Jews own Trump, but really it was that Jews really came out and showed up for the battle of America because if Harrison Walls won, it would have been over right now.
Hey, hey, they got they got what they wanted.
So there you go.
Politics is a dirty game.
So did America and so did America.
America's on it, but what it is.
I do ask myself that.
Would I be because look, Israel is not my biggest issue.
There are people that put Israel at the top of their issue board, right?
And they're kind of Israel derangement first people like Fuentes and Ian Carroll and all them.
People can choose their own issues.
I don't think it's deranged at all.
I think it's a real issue.
It's just not my top issue.
But but I but it is an Israel first position, whether you're against or for Israel.
There's way too much Israel first on on both sides.
Um quite frankly, for my taste.
But but people have their own issues, and that's fine.
Um but see, again, my my issue is, or or the question I'm asking myself is am I willing to am I willing to take let's just say I am all anti-Israel and really I'm just neutral, I call it as I see it.
I don't like Israel's influence, but I'm not anti-Israel.
I I would say, am I willing to sacrifice that the Zionists and the Israel first lobby is going to get its way from the Trump administration, but at the same time, I'm gonna get my way on all these other issues.
And that shouldn't be how it operates.
But it is.
But it is how it operates.
That's the reality of the situation I'm in as an American voter, an American citizen and a Trump voter.
Uh and so I asked myself, is that is that a worthy trade-off?
Because that's essentially the the the paradox that you've laid out on the table that I think is also uh very accurate.
Uh and so that's kind of the that that's kind of the question I have to ask myself.
All right.
Well, I I appreciate your commentary, and again, you're one of the few people I can talk to.
Uh you are pro-Israel.
You're also you've lived in the Gaza Strip, and and you're perfectly willing to have uh debates or conversations, and you've never shied away from a debate either.
So I always tip my cap for that.
So I'll I'll I'll say this in closing that as an as an American first patriot.
I'm so proud that America is actually going to own a piece of the holy land.
It's ours.
We're going to receive tremendous blessing from God by owning a piece of this land.
And as an American and as a Jew, uh uh Jewish American, and even as a Christian, this should be something so inspiring to everybody every single American.
Like this is a big deal.
And not only that, we're removing a horrible plague on society.
Hamas is not just plaguing Israel in the Middle East, it's plaguing Europe, it's plaguing the American Southern border.
And whether you like Israel or not, this is who you got in a foxhole, and they're willing to throw money down so that America first can win elections.
And a lot that says a lot.
You'll definitely get some pushback on that last commentary.
I I'm gonna let it stand.
I'm gonna let it stand.
Put it this way.
A har a reality that everybody has to face is that the Adelson family is at least going to contribute a hundred million dollars in every single presidential election moving forward, probably even more if it's a really hot and contested election.
And so that's something that you know is a tremendous contribution to the Republican Party to the American first movement, because Sheldon Adelson was an America first patriot.
He wasn't uh a rhino, he was he was about Trump and tax-free societies and thinking out of the box and doing things differently.
So I can hear the I can hear the teeth grinding in the comments.
Let them grind, baby.
Let him grind.
All right, Adam.
Uh you're always a good sport.
Appreciate your side of the uh tail here.
Uh I would invite you to join the spaces.
I'm gonna start this spaces, and I'm sure there's gonna be spaces and we'll we'll take some hot questions.
I'm sure.
I'm sure it'll be uh very contested spaces.
People are passionate about this.
All right, there's there goes uh Adam King.
So again, he's I mean, he's the only person I know that's lived in the Gaza Strip.
Uh he he's not shy about his stance on Israel, so it's a worthy guest.
And I was talking to him earlier, and he mentioned the Ben Gurion trade route, and I said, Well, that's an interesting point.
I'm not hearing anybody else talk about that.
So figured it was a worthy conversation.
All right.
Now it's time for me to get this space started.
So let's do that now.
Okay.
Thank you.
All right.
Okay.
We have now officially fired up the space.
I uh want to get a co-host Invited here so that somebody else can kind of manage the in and out of the conversation while I'm hosting the separate live stream here.
All right.
Okay.
All right.
The spaces is now live.
My co-host right now is Dominic Trippy.
Um he's going to be managing the space as far as the speakers are concerned and letting people in and out.
Uh I've told him he can invite whoever he wants.
Uh, other than that, if you request to speak, we'll get you up to discuss.
Uh, but just for the sake of the recording that we have here and for the audience on the space, this is also being live video broadcast on Rumble and on X. So there will be other references and mentions that I put in the video that you won't see in the space.
Uh so if I if if I'm saying things that don't make sense to an audio, it's because we're also on video, so I just want to put that uh notification out there as we're just now starting the space.
Trump declares the U.S. is taking control of the Gaza Strip.
What are your thoughts?
So we want to hear from people on this.
We'll start with my co-host, Dominic Trippi.
Well, quite frankly, I think it's a bad idea.
I think it's uh part of the world that we really don't belong in.
I think it's a war and a conflict that we we should have nothing um to do with.
We've already funded all of Israel's militaristic campaigns in that area for seemingly uh, you know, seven decades.
And I think it's time that it comes to a close.
And what what's actually happening by us, quote unquote, owning the Gaza Strip?
We're getting more intimately involved than ever.
And we're talking about American boots on the ground.
It's it's definitely going to cost American lives and for what?
For Israel to have a security blanket for Israel to continue to receive these blank check security guarantees all for Israel, and and what does this benefit America?
It doesn't benefit us in any way whatsoever.
And so, you know, people call it a stereotype when they say that uh quote unquote Israel controls the United States government.
But what sort of example or what sort of display is this?
And what is one to think when these are the actions that we're taking, they don't benefit our country, they actually endanger our citizens.
And I think it's uh I I think it's crazy, Alan.
I mean, what do you think, man?
Well, I I offered my commentary at the outset.
Uh, I suppose for the space I could um I could offer it again.
I'd like to see something positive come of this, and and I'd like to believe that we can erase the past and and something positive can come of this, but you you can erase the past, and that's the truth.
And and Trump even mentioned that during the press conference today.
Um, I don't like it either.
Uh just just I I don't like it.
It feels like it kills the America first momentum.
I don't want to be hearing from Netanyahu right now.
I I'm not interested in the Gaza Strip.
Uh I'm not interested in U.S. blood and treasure having anything to do with the Middle East.
I I want to completely decouple from the region.
And so that's my geopolitical stance, and it doesn't change just because I support Trump and and his stance is different than mine.
So I don't like it inherently.
Now we can only make assumptions based off of the past.
I I don't want to see U.S. blood and treasure invested in it whatsoever.
I hope that this doesn't add tension to the region, but I don't see how it doesn't.
Um let's hope this doesn't add a national security risk to our homeland, but unfortunately, I think it does.
And so now the big factor is going to be, well, I think there's two big factors now.
What are the Palestinian people going to do?
I think they're gonna go back.
They don't want to leave.
They don't want to go to Jordan.
They don't want to go to Egypt.
They would rather live amongst the rubble in the Gaza Strip than go anywhere else.
The other big thing to watch is going to be the response from the Arab world and the rest of the Middle East.
Is anybody going to stand up for the Palestinians and say they have the right to that land?
Or are all of the countries going to unite and basically force them to relocate somewhere else and give the United States of Israel, let's say the Gaza Strip.
Because there is no declaration.
I mean, Trump just said the U.S. is going to take it over.
Well, what does that mean?
Do we own the land now?
Is there a is there a is there a treaty?
Is there an international treaty?
Is Israel claiming we can have the land that's not even theirs?
Are the Palestinians claiming we can have the land?
So uh really it's just kind of color of geopolitical approach or or military approach.
I'm not even sure what it really looks like right now.
And so there's still things that we need to monitor here.
But to me, it was a gut blow.
And I think the worst part about it was watching Trump be our champion for two weeks and just just crushing them, just crushing the anti-American agenda, just crushing the cornerstones of the leftist agenda, just just gutting their operations and exposing all the fraud and crimes.
And then to have Netanyahu come to the White House and just domineer over Trump and smirk the entire time, a desperate man who needed Trump.
It just was a gut punch.
It was uh it was truly a gut punch.
Just real quick, I want to say, yeah, it's entirely problematic considering that this is certainly going to increase terror threats um against the United States, but both domestically and abroad.
And you know, for the longest time now, Netanyahu has wanted to provoke a war with Iran because he wants to eliminate the only significant opposition in the region.
Because I mean, Hezbollah's been taken out, um, you know, the Houtis have been greatly diminished, uh, Syria, you know, Assad regime has been taken over.
There's a regime change there.
So realistically, really the last domino to fall is Iran.
And I feel like with this increased terror threat, that could be the justification to actually uh start a significant conflict with Iran and with the United States posted up right there in Gaza.
What what a better time?
There's not gonna be a better time for us to actually directly engage in some type of conflict with them.
So, yeah, I think this is all strategic.
I think they also, you know, the whole greater Israel plan that people have spoken about.
Well, that they've taken steps to actually achieve that.
They're expanding as we speak, and with the US taking this territory over, that essentially is Israel annexing the territory.
So who's to say what's gonna happen to the West Bank and who's to say what the future is gonna be with Iran?
Absolutely.
All right, do you do you want to manage this space?
I don't know if you've invited anybody to join or if you want to manage the uh the speakers coming in here.
We got three people right now.
We got your your best friend Adam King.
What's up, Adam?
Hey, how's it going?
Going pretty well.
Glad to be here.
Hope you uh heard the set that we just did.
Uh there's so much to talk about.
And I I heard you talking, Don.
I I uh Dominic, I I think you're a really brilliant guy, and I and I pay attention to you on a lot of things.
I think you are slightly wrong on this one, and that's okay.
I'm I'm I'm happy to have a conversation about it and share some things.
But if anything, I think this is gonna keep the world a lot safer and really do um justice for the Middle East.
It's like if you have a cancer, you need to cut it out.
And this is a cancer, not just for Israel, but for the entire Middle East.
Um, you know, a lot of these uh a lot of people in other countries.
I mean, yeah, it's like, dude, I gotta push back on you though.
Like, do you understand?
You know, there's sort of a stereotype that Uh, you know, they call it Jewish supremacy to where they act like they're so much you know, uh basically just way better in every regard to the Palestinians and just so superior in every way.
And it's like the way they're talking about it, like these people, you know, a lot of these were just normal people, man.
Like I know there's been such a long conflict, but it's to speak about them like they're basically just soulless animals that can just be moved about uh without having any say about it, it's just pretty heartless, man.
And so I get it from the super pro-Israel position, but these are human beings too.
You know, they should have some determination in what they're gonna and how they're gonna live.
Sorry.
I just had to push back a little bit.
Uh Yardin Bebas was one of the hostages released, and they are supposed to be releasing Kfir Bibas, who's two years old now on Friday, and they don't know if he's dead or alive.
He's a two-year-old boy, and his little brother, who's I think three or four years old also is with them because they kidnapped the entire family.
So when you talk about like savage animals, like Israel's not.
How many two-year-old boys have been killed by those two thousand-pound bombs that have destroyed entire neighborhoods and condominiums and hospitals?
Israel, like Gaza looks Gaza legitimately looks like fucking Dresden and Germany, man.
I mean, they wiped it out to the point where it's worse than even movie setworking.
Uh coming onto the rebels saying, we won, we won, we won, like delusional lunatics.
They've got to either way, either thing, and they screaming that they won.
Israel leafleted every single time that they bombed a neighborhood.
There was two days, 48 hours of advanced notice of leaflets.
Israel had an entire corridor that it moved Palestinians around while it was being shot at.
I don't think anyone believes they're the most moral army, but that's not the conversation for today.
We're talking about the fact that America is taking over Gaza.
So yeah, what's your opinion though on taking over Gaza?
I don't even care about this moral army stuff because war is incredibly horrific to begin with.
So it's like there's no such thing as like a moral army.
And in war, you know, in the death, the civilian death toll in Ukraine is like insane, and nobody talks about that one like they do about the the ambiguous numbers that nobody knows the exact numbers for in Gaza.
The uh the war in Ukraine is uh likely going to cross one million dead if it's not stopped soon.
It'll cross a million dead.
But Israel and Palestine, that gets all the media attention, you know what I'm saying?
And it's somewhere around like 40,000 total.
So these are huge number differences.
Thank you.
And to focus on the benefits of this, I think that America does need to control the Ben Gurion Canal.
If the Bangorian Canal is going to exist, just like we need to control the Panama Canal, we need to control the Ben Gurion Canal.
We need to control every major trade route in the entire world.
And anybody who doesn't understand that is is not is not out for American exceptionalism and American superiority.
I think that's kind of a valid point.
Um, let's see.
We've got impure Hooter.
And Dominic, what do you think about this point?
Because a lot of people are saying, like, Bibi Netanyahu came in there and like set the agenda.
If that was the case, I would have expected Bibi Netanyahu just and Donald Trump to say Israel is annexing the Gaza Strip.
But no, he was like it America is gonna annex the Gaza Strip, and Bibi Netanyahu was like, yes, boss, okay, we'll agree.
Well, I think let me respond to that and let's get another speaker in here.
I I think that that was um a little bit disingenuous.
Now we will see.
We will see.
Again, there is nothing official here.
They had a press conference and made a declaration.
There's no treaty, there's there's no claim to that land as of yet that that's that's changed the actual geo uh geographical situation.
But but I I I mean, look, I I would sit here and I would say, yeah, the US getting that territory is basically Israel getting that territory.
Uh, but but so I think that's a little disingenuous.
That's something We'll just have to wait and see what the uh what the final results of this whole ordeal uh is.
All right, I I want to bring in some other speakers here.
Um let's go to um impure hunter.
Go ahead.
Yeah, thank you for having me on.
Um I think this whole thing is absolutely insane.
Um not only is it not America first, but I mean, this will have I mean, Ron Paul in 2008, uh, he talked about blowback, and he was absolutely correct.
And if we actually go in and annex uh the Gaza Strip, we are inviting blowback.
This is a horrible idea.
Uh not only is it putting more American troops in the Middle East, which I thought he wanted to avoid, he said that he didn't want to um start any new wars.
Uh he bragged about that in his first term, which he was correct, he didn't start any new wars, he continued some of the ones that were going on, but he didn't start any new ones.
If he were to annex the Gaza Strip, I mean that's starting a new war, and we risk especially because we would have to occupy it, that would be putting American troops in danger.
And it would be I I guarantee you there would be something that would happen, and we would blame Iran and go to war with Iran.
It's suicidal, it's stupid, I hate it, it's not America first, and it is a it's a national security threat.
All right, let's take comments from Red Leader.
Red Leader, go ahead.
Hey, Owen, yeah, I just wanted to add a thought real quick, and and this is coming from a totally utilitarian sort of position, which I'm not that type of person.
But in this situation, look, Gaza is glassed, pretty much.
I mean, it's gone.
So, from the perspective that I have, I'm looking at it and I'm and I'm saying, okay, this is what Israel has wanted all along, right?
They they've wanted this territory, this has been going on for decades.
To me, I don't like any of it.
I I don't like anything that's going on over there.
But uh I tend to think, okay, let's get this over with, because that's kind of the last thing that Israel is looking for.
It's like, okay, besides that I consider the greater Israel thing kind of a fever dream.
But if this is what they want, that they're already 90% into it.
Okay, let's do all that, and then I don't want another dime going over there.
Once they have the land and the territory that they consider to be the promised land, uh and all that, let's just kind of move on after that.
And I I hope I'm skeptical, but but there's a part of me that hopes that Trump is really good if you've ever read The Art of the Deal and you've seen the other things that he's that he's done.
There's a part of me that hopes maybe this is just kind of a play.
I'm not counting on it, but that's you know, sort of where I'm going.
So if they're gonna go and do this and help Israel take over this other territory, I want to get out after that.
I don't want to have anything to do with it after that.
And so that that's kind of the point that that's all I wanted to make.
The problem with that is that we don't know how long it's going to take to quote unquote clean it up.
I mean, this could quickly develop into like an Afghanistan, Iraq type of situation where we're basically just holding forth there, constantly getting our guys killed, constantly getting our guys shot at, but we're not actually you know having any progress or working towards anything.
It's just gonna be a secure, all it's gonna be is the United States is gonna take it, it's gonna be a security buffer zone for Israel, and Israel will benefit exclusively, and the United States will pay.
Just like our relationship is with them now.
We what do we actually get?
They always say they're our greatest ally.
What does the United States actually get from our relationship with it with Israel?
It's so one-sided.
People say that all the time, but it's we get fucking nothing.
Technology about the case.
So my point, like I said, like uh, I just want to go back and finish it real quick and then I'll jump off.
Uh like I said, I I'm not this way, but you gotta understand geopolitics over the entire world.
And we're just the little guys.
Okay.
There are forces that are a lot bigger than what we are thinking about.
And so this is a huge inflection point going on right now.
And what I'm saying is if if this is even a minor solution and they're committed to it, then okay.
Like I said, or Gaza is already it's it's rubble.
Like it's totally gone.
So if that's what they want, if that's what they really want that can get us out of this, then okay, I'm fine with it.
I don't want us to be there forever.
I don't want any of it.
I am thinking of just simply a utilitarian response, and that's it.
Give them what they want and get out of there.
No more, not another dime to that nation or anything else.
I'm not counting on that.
I'm not I'm not hopeful for it, but this can't go on forever.
So at some point, you have to stop what the main point is that they're saying, and the whole thing for decades has been Gaza.
Okay, now you have Gaza.
We're out.
We're out.
And that's what I would hope for.
I don't know what Trump is thinking or anyone else or who's in his ear or anything like that.
That is my perspective, is saying, okay, if here's where the chips are on the table, it's already 90% gone.
So okay, give them what they want and then get out.
Any other any other solution to me is the is just prolonging it.
I don't want to be involved with Iran, I don't want to be involved with anything else that has to do with it.
That's all I'm saying.
You know, you know, he's that this isn't the situation where the Americ where we're gonna get out.
We're going in there and we're taking it.
It's not going to Israel.
Gaza will never go to Israel.
Gaza will be American, and it'll be like US Virgin Territory.
Bro, it's definitely going to Israel for sure.
We're literally just offering a security state for them to take it.
That's it.
Dominic, you as an American will have more rights in the Gaza Strip than any Jew in Israel under American sovereignty over the Gaza Strip.
It will be our laws, not their laws, our laws.
Hey guys, how's it going?
Uh yeah, Lebanon.
Let's go to Lebanon John here.
Go ahead.
I actually met you once.
Um, yeah, I'm Harrison's friends, uh Harrison's friend.
We do like a co uh co-pod podcast, I think.
So, in order for all this to happen, um, Egypt and Jordan have to accept the displacement of these uh Palestinian refugees.
And Egypt already came out and said that that would basically be unacceptable because this is the old playbook that has already been played out.
So back in like the 60s and the 70s, about 500,000 uh Palestinian refugees were displaced into southern Lebanon.
So this exact scenario has already played out, and anyone who knows Middle Eastern history knows that Lebanon was a neutral uh the actual Riviera of the Middle East, the actual Paris of the Middle East, uh, a luxury destination where quote cold war, Soviet and CIA agents could meet in a neutral ground in coffee shops, in bars, luxury place.
Lebanon was a nice place.
Palestinians got displaced into there.
The world promised they would be given high quality life and it would be okay.
Of course, that was all a lie and they were put in refugee camps and no one took care of them.
And then Lebanon had to uh foot the bill essentially, and then what happened?
Well, the Palestinians uh started attacking Israel out of Lebanese land, either as agents installed by Israel, or because they hated their life as refugees, it doesn't matter.
The point is is then that now is causes beli for Israel.
That is now a cause of for Israel to then continue the land grab.
And so Egypt has come out and said this exact point that we would never accept a massive Palestinians to be uh on our land because then uh Israel can put provocateurs in there and attack Israel from this Egyptian refugee camp, and then that would allow Israel to continue expanding its borders.
This literally already happened.
So you guys are talking about you know, uh step two before we even got to step one.
There's not gonna be a step one, not only that, uh the the experts estimate that about 8,000 Hamas soldiers have died in this war.
Hamas and all the other guys, whatever, you know, the general Palestinian uh resistance factions, if you add them all up, they say maybe 8,000 guys have have died in this war, but then they say they've recruited and trained and uh graduated at least 8,000 soldiers uh in that time.
So they've literally made zero dent on Hamas, and so you know, this we're just brushing over the fact that Hamas has to be defeated, just like, oh yeah, no problem, Hamas will be defeated, and then we're just brushing over the fact that Egypt's gonna take them in, they're not gonna take them in.
And then um it all what's overhanging all of this.
Well, they're gonna strike the Iranian nuclear facilities, and when they do that, Iran's gonna jump in in a major way.
So the Palestinians just have to wait until that happens, and then there will be a huge war.
And the Egyptians, they are planning for war with Israel because they know there can be no peace with Israel.
Israel obviously has their eyes on the Sinai Peninsula.
In fact, Egypt wait fought a war against Israel in the 70s to reclaim the Sinai Peninsula from Israel.
They already doesn't Egypt is not having a war with Israel, man.
They're being building up so they are currently building up the city.
That's a fantasy story.
Uh yeah, uh-huh, yeah, coming from the the dual citizen.
Yeah, I'm really gonna listen to what you say, but anyway.
So a dual fucking citizen, what the hell are you talking about?
You're just saying that Egypt and Egypt and Israel are close as of right now because of the US basically paying Egypt off.
Okay, that's all I'm saying.
The Nile is the life.
Oh, I thought it was Adam King.
I thought it was Adam King, yeah.
All right, so listen, Egypt's lifeblood is the Nile.
Israel is funding the countries upriver of the Nile to damn it.
They are planning to starve Egypt.
So that is Israel already has shown that they're an existential threat to Egypt.
So it's it's there's a peace agreement between Israel and Egypt.
Egypt is already violating it, they're militarizing the Sinai Peninsula right now.
They're not supposed to do that because they the public in Egypt wants to go to war with Israel.
The government might be reluctant, but they don't have a choice because now they're gonna be put in a situation where the United States and the World Bank and the IMF, they're basically gonna tell Egypt, you know, they're gonna cut you off if you don't take in the Palestinians.
That's basically what's gonna happen.
That's why Donald Trump is like, oh, I'm very confident that they won't tell me no.
Why is he so confident?
Because they can cause starvation and economic collapse in Egypt very easily.
Now, so how's Egypt gonna get out of this mess?
They're just gonna capitulate?
No, they're gonna wait for Iran to do this massive war, and then that's their chance.
That's the chance of the whole Middle East to flip the board game upside down.
That's their chance.
Brother Nathaniel, I see you're in here.
What do you think about uh this whole declaration of Trump saying he's gonna take Gaza?
What do you think?
Right, he's either drunk or stacking up.
I mean, what's wrong with a guy?
There's a thousand a million uh Hamas that just went back with this ceasefire to northern Gaza.
It's not a total destruction.
That's not correct.
They just went back to their homes.
Yep, and they just got a bunch of food.
They got a bunch of aid, so they're fine now, they're not starving.
They just replenished all their supplies.
They're I mean, this winter is over, right?
So now it's gonna be spring.
So what defeat, you know?
So, yeah, exactly right.
This is unrealistic.
Right.
The the funing is coming from both sides, though.
That that's the issue.
Well, it's coming from America.
Come on.
America runs Israel, not the other way around.
Has anybody maybe given any thought that maybe the Palestinians will be shipped off to Greenland?
They ain't going anywhere.
They're not going.
And there was just a major uh meeting of the uh Arab diplomats in Cairo, and they made a very strong statement.
I mean, I follow this stuff.
They support the unalienable rights of the Palestinian Palestinian people for their own homeland in Palestine.
So no one's gonna take them, but besides that, the Palestinians ain't going.
And they'll fight.
So let me let me bring this up.
Let me bring it.
let me bring this up real quick.
Trump does not usually act without knowing the layout of the board.
Okay.
That I think we could all agree that Trump usually acts knowing the layout.
So we're having these discussions about all of these different entities involved in this geopolitical situation.
Trump, I would guess, I I would believe has his finger to the pulse better than than any of us.
Now here's here's where maybe I I look at the situation and then I say, hmm, did Trump maybe make a mistake?
Did Trump have so much momentum?
Did it was Trump having so much success, bringing so many people to the table that he was like, I'm going for everything.
I'm going for everything.
I'm going for the Gaza Strip.
And it's like, was it?
Donald Trump accurately analyzes the situation.
The situation is option A, option B. Option A is he changes the game and averts a massive war.
Option B is a massive war.
And so in, you know, whether it's a long shot or not, he's going to try his best.
So, you know, basically, Donald Trump said over and over, they've tried the other way for a long time.
What does he mean by the other way?
He means resistance.
He means armed resistance.
In his opinion, it's a fool's errand, right?
According to uh according to his analysis, Gaza's a shithole now.
It was before, but now it's an even bigger shithole.
And the resistance is is just not working.
He's basically saying that it just went back.
It's not a shithole.
Right.
I'm just saying from Trump's point of view.
He's wrong about that.
But I want to hear Owen.
Oh, and okay, you think Trump has his hand on the pulse.
What do you think he knows that he would get up and speak like this?
He just said that America's gonna take over Canada.
So what does he know that we don't know, Owen?
Well, he's obviously talking.
He's he's obviously talking.
You guys got to understand.
Hold on.
Trump is obviously talking to the foreign leaders involved in this.
Okay.
So that's what I'm saying.
I'm not talking to the generals in Egypt or in Jordan.
I I'm not talking to the to the leaders of these countries.
Trump is 100 percent.
He is now that doesn't mean that he can't make a move, you know, feeling his momentum right now and just saying, I'm just going for everything that that might end up be being a mistake.
Only time will tell.
I'm just saying Trump knows the layout of the board.
So whatever, whatever ends up happening to the Palestinian people, um, Trump has at least communicated something with Jordan and Egypt.
Now, I I don't really think it's up for debate.
I think it's pretty clear.
The Palestinians aren't leaving.
There, there's no way, there's no way they're leaving that land.
So, whatever deal Trump wants to make in the Gaza Strip, it's gonna have to include them.
I just I don't see what else you do with nearly two million people.
So Jordan's not gonna take them, Egypt isn't gonna take them, Iran isn't gonna take them.
No, uh Israel's not gonna take them.
So the the whatever plan they have, that's that's almost two million people that don't want to leave, and they have nowhere else to go.
Uh so I I don't know what you do about that, even if you do want to claim it's U.S. territory and try to bring peace to it, uh that that's that's kind of the the situation in the room here that I think is really there is no solution.
I I'm just simply saying Trump has talked to all these foreign leaders, but but one thing remains clear Netanyahu has more influence on Trump than all these other countries combined.
You know, who's to say that it's Trump's choice?
I mean, the reality of it is is if the United States military wants to physically remove the Gazans from the territory, they can.
And ultimately, I mean do it.
How's that?
That's what I'm talking about.
People are people are straight up, you know, we're saying who controls who.
And if the case is that Benjamin Netanyahu ultimately has more power generally than Donald Trump, then maybe this is the agreement.
I mean, I'm just saying Yeah, the decision has been made to liquidate Hamas.
And so Donald Trump doesn't seem like he can avert that decision.
So all he can do is try to make the the best out of the bad situation.
And the best thing he can do is to try to offer these people a better life somewhere else, And uh try to make the American companies the beneficiary of this land development instead of just Israel profiting off of this land development.
So Donald Trump is trying to do the best he can for America and for the Palestinians in this scenario because he's going to make Americans get rich, American companies profit off of it, hold on to that valuable real estate and develop it.
And he's going to try to make the Palestinians not, you know, go down this suicidal path.
But but you know, that's his vision, and that's a commendable vision.
But the reality is, as Brother Nathaniel and Owen just said, uh, they're not going anywhere.
And uh Egypt doesn't, you know, Egypt has publicly said they don't want to take them in.
So uh long story short, it's guys, remember the Abraham Accord, the deal of the century?
Wasn't that dead on arrival?
Yeah, a lot of talk, but it didn't work.
So it could be much of the same, basically.
I posed you this question to the to the chat.
What who do you want?
The Gaza Strip is uniquely situated just north of the Suez Canal, and it will be just south of the Ben Gurion Canal, which is twice the size of the Suez Canal, completely dominated and controlled by America.
This is a game over checkmate situation for China and for anybody wanting to import into Europe from the east.
So who do you want to control this?
I I So let me respond.
So here's here would be my response.
Because again, I I think that this is a very important piece to this conversation.
Um, and and maybe we don't realize it yet, but it may be the most significant piece.
So so here's the here becomes the situation for Trump, whether this is a true victory for him or not.
Part of this deal, and again, nothing is official.
This is just a declaration.
There, there's nothing official that's been made here other than just a press conference.
There's no treaty, there's no international accord.
So it's just a declaration at this point.
But I would say the only way Trump can really exhibit a true power play, and and I don't like this to be clear.
Even because I think our military or who however we get involved in in that situation is gonna be under threat.
And the minute U.S. blood is spilled in that situation, it's a war.
I hope we can avoid that, but it seems like you're trying to thread a needle here.
But if one of the things that brings the international community together, and this is probably what it's gonna take, is that Israel gets nothing other than the the U.S. being there as their ally.
They don't get any control over the canal, they don't get any say in the Gaza Strip, they have no policy, uh, they have they have no policy control.
It's gonna be all left up to the U.S. and the international community.
I don't see Israel doing that, but but that would be the only way I think Trump can come out of this kind of unscathed, uh, because the commentary is already there.
It's obvious.
Trump catered to Israel, Trump tucked Netanyahu into bed and kissed his feet.
And the body language and the power dynamics of today's events, I would say lean in that direction.
So the only way Trump could do it was basically to say, Israel, you're not going in here.
You have no say here.
We're running the canal and we're bringing peace to the region.
You failed to do it.
You failed to defeat Hamas, you failed to bring the hostages home.
So you have no say, we're taking over.
That'd be the only way I could see there being a potential for peace and and for whatever vision Trump thinks he has.
He's not doing that.
He's not doing that because he got almost 300 million dollars from the Jewish lobby and the Adel Suns.
So he's not gonna push back like that.
That means American soldiers coming home in coffins or just dying there.
America's only stop fear-mongering.
It doesn't mean that.
There's not gonna be any American fear mongering.
I'm talking about reality.
There's nothing on the ground.
Israel did not defeat Hamas.
Yeah, Donald Trump already confirmed.
Yeah, Donald Trump.
All right, hold on a second.
We've had Derek listening here for a while.
He's been waiting to speak.
I want to let Derek speak um before we start shouting it over one another.
Derek, go ahead.
Oh, and are you talking?
Because I can't hear you.
It made dead American soldiers and I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
I'm trying to make sure I don't have double audio here because I'm running two live streams.
Um, I want to let Derek speak.
He's been waiting to speak for a while before we all start yelling over one another.
Um, I just want to bring a little order here and let Derek speak.
He's been waiting.
So Derek, go ahead.
Thank you, Owen.
um, I think that uh first of all, let me say I'm I'm the most wow, what a cliffhanger.
I think we lost Derek.
Did we lose you, Derek?
Yeah, I lost him.
Yeah, I can't hear him.
Wow.
I I I think I think it's important to note on this of Trump's negotiation strategies.
And we we we've seen it over and over and over again.
He presents a very extreme position as the base of his negotiating position with the hope that it's kind of halfway in between.
But he he sets it very far.
This is what he talks about in the art of the deal.
He sets it very, very far in one direction in the hope that or in the knowledge that he won't get that.
And so then he ends up in the middle ground, and then the people who are opposing him say, Oh, look at look at us.
We stopped Trump.
We he didn't get what he wanted.
And all along he he sort of did get what he wanted, but it's all about the the negotiating position.
So he he's done this over and over again.
We just thought with Tandon and Mexico and Colombia and all this sort of stuff.
He presents a position that's extremely extreme, to be frank, and then all of a sudden things sort of change, but he gets what he wants.
So I don't know what's gonna happen.
Are you suggesting?
Wait a second.
I want to be a little, I want to try and understand what you're saying, and and maybe Derek, we got you back.
You had an audio issue.
Are you saying are you suggesting a rug pull on Israel?
Or what do you mean exactly?
Okay, so what I'm seeing is that everybody in the world knows that Netanyahu allowed October 7th to occur.
So if Netanyahu takes over the Gaza Strip, it's going to look really bad on him.
The JFK files are about to come out, which are going to mention Israel being involved in the assassination of our country.
So Israel's not going to be looking very good in the American night.
So I think Trump bent Benjamin Netanyahu over the table and said, Look, we're going to make you guys look really freaking bad unless you give us the land and let us develop it rather than you guys develop it.
And then we have uh we're going to be watching over you, and if you guys ever attack us again, like you did on with uh with the USS Liberty or anything like that, we're right next to you, and we're going to destroy you, is what I think he did.
I think he pulled a major power move.
Well, it's an interesting hypothetical.
Um I think we can all agree.
Fantasy land for sure.
I think we can all agree.
Uh, we can all agree on one thing.
We all think Ilan Omar should be deported.
Okay, let's go to uh Andrew, uh, who's waiting to speak.
Andrew, you go ahead.
Gaza used to be a great city.
I just posted it in the nest.
They were influenced by fucking Iran.
If we cut that influence off, they could be great again.
Amen.
Um I like to I like to stick to facts, guys.
What is the facts?
Donald Trump says over and over and over, we pay for this and that, and we blow up all these countries, and what do we get out of it?
We don't even get to keep the oil, we don't even get paid.
So if you just stick to the precedent of how Donald Trump has talked publicly, then it would actually make sense what he's saying here.
What he's saying is we pay for all these bombs, right?
We gave you political cover, we took all the heat and we finance you, and then we're not gonna get anything back.
So that's why it makes sense for Donald Trump to say that we should have this good real estate and that America should profit off of developing the Gaza Strip.
That makes sense, and that fits with how Donald Trump has always talked.
so i don't think there's any like you know 40 chests going on doesn't need to profit off of the gaza strip the gazans need to make their country great again the palestinians the philistines the philistines have been in there for 3 000 years Right.
Yeah, I'm just I'm just saying that I think Donald Trump basically is saying Hamas uh leadership is not gonna let the Gazans develop their city the way That um Israel and America would accept.
So, according to Israel and America, Hamas government in is not acceptable.
Hamas government is not acceptable.
So someone has to do something about it.
They asked Donald Trump tonight.
Does that mean you're gonna put U.S. soldiers to create security in this vision?
Are you gonna use U.S. soldiers?
And he said, if that's necessary, yes.
Now that is, as Brother Nathaniel has accurately said, inevitably going to lead to uh young American soldiers being ordered to go into these tunnels, which is an absolute death trap.
And the Israeli soldiers, because they are generally cowardly, did not go in these tunnels, and they did not.
And that's why Hamas is still I I would believe the opposite.
I would believe the Israelis would let us know those tunnels and you know keep us, you know, informed.
Well, everyone knows about the tunnels.
The problem is you have to have soldiers who are actually brave enough to go straight in there and take a bunch of casualties and keep moving forward.
You're smoking.
They didn't do it.
It literally didn't happen.
Israel has been involved in Israel.
Yeah, but it literally didn't happen, though.
So many tunnels that go directly into a question to Owen.
It's so stupid that you're not going to be able to do that.
Yeah, listen, man.
Hamas is not defeated.
Okay.
The tunnels and you don't need to propagandize for Israel.
I'm from Lebanon.
My people have fought Israel for a long time.
So I know what I'm talking about.
I'm actually from Lebanon.
Okay.
Six fronts, and you're saying Israel.
When you hear people like Adam King talk, he's gonna tell you America won the Vietnam War.
Okay, the Viet Cong won that war.
I wouldn't say that.
Why are you?
Okay, so Hamas has better tunnels, and they didn't go in those tunnels.
They did not uproot Hamas.
All experts will tell you Hamas has not lost this war.
Okay, they've just killed civilians.
No one went in the tunnels and actually defeated Hamas.
They're telling you guys that they're gonna send American soldiers into those tunnels.
This is ridiculous.
Uh to our worldview.
You don't see it because you live in an echo chamber, but in our world view, you we see that all these shows of force where you have like 10,000 Hamas people in the streets, they're not really Hamas people, they're just wearing costumes to give off this impression.
Most of these people don't even know how to hold a gun properly.
Sure, sure.
Okay, but stupid.
All these videos soldiers.
The Hamas defeated so hard.
Yes or no?
Is Hamas defeated?
Yes or no?
Hamas is defeated the exact same thing.
No, they had to negotiate with Hamas.
How are they defeated?
If Israel is configured, are they defeated?
They don't have homes anymore.
How are American soldiers to defeat Hamas?
The whole point is how are the Palestinians feeling?
And how are the Iranians feeling right now?
They're real citizens of their country.
The Palestinians, I know I'm Lebanese.
I'm the only guy who's actually from the Middle East here.
Maybe you, you know, I will tell you how the Palestinians are feeling.
They're feeling that if United States soldiers come into Gaza to subjugate them, they're gonna die just like the Israeli soldiers.
Yeah, brother McDaniel knows what he's talking about.
Well, if they really understood Trump, Trump is there for a real reason, it's peace.
Yeah, you're I mean, it's impossible to make peace while you steal people's rights.
You have to give them their rights, and that's the problem.
So don't it's also impossible to make peace when you're kidnapping two-year-old children.
What do you think?
If you were you a parent, John like if somebody when you're dropping two thousand pound bombs on condominiums, man.
Yeah, we know we know we know how Israelis don't follow rules of engagement and attack civilians directly.
Everybody's aware of that.
Like you need to tell us that.
We know that.
The the Palestinians for a long time.
Yeah, look, the American sending American young men to finish off Hamas because Israel couldn't do it, is ridiculous.
No one in America should support it.
Hamas is done.
They you you gotta pay attention.
You're not gonna be able to do that.
Donald Trump just said that they will use U.S. soldiers.
We should get back to just individuals doing questions with this is getting way too disorganized.
Yeah, nominate for sure, for sure.
I'm just gonna respond to John one point.
He speaks a lot, and I think you're waiting for an entry to say that.
Go ahead, good.
You see a lot of pictures with green bandanas at these hostage exchanges.
These aren't real soldiers.
These people don't know how to fight, they're not Trained.
I understand your point.
Thank you for making your point.
Now, in response to that, as a Lebanese civilian, I am a superior infantryman than the best trained Israeli infantryman.
So your point is meaningless.
Every Palestinian man is a fighter.
You don't know what you're talking about.
I do know.
So that is a meaningless point.
I lived in the Gaza Strip, and I've had Donald Trump said he's gonna use American soldiers against Hamas.
That is a fact.
That just happened.
So you're disputing reality or what?
Donald Trump just said that.
Adam Green, you're in here now.
What do you think about America taking over the Gaza Strip, man?
What's up, guys?
Thank you for thanks for the mic.
Um, I only have a quick minute, but I think America's only taking it over temporarily, and it's really that we're gonna end up rebuilding it, and it's gonna be our troops that go over there to guard it while it's happening, and we're gonna do the canal, and then they're gonna hand it over to Israel at some point.
There's no way that all these Zionists in America are gonna say America owns the holy land.
Yeah, I agree with that.
They're gonna give it to Israel.
Actually, I'd like to share a perspective with you that I know you guys don't see it's a Jewish thing, it's inner Jewish politics, and there is a like a stalemate between American Jews and Israeli Jews, and Israeli Jews don't like it when American Jews participate in the Israeli government or even in the Middle East.
Until Jared Kushner, it was like a kibosh.
They any time uh American Jews were involved in any sort of thing in Dubai or even in Saudi Arabia, the Israeli government and the Mossad has a has a huge problem with American Jews never because they're lowered.
Let me finish this point.
Having an American sovereign state inside uh of Israel, it this isn't something that the American Jews are gonna want to give to Israel.
This is something that American Jewry is gonna want to maintain as American.
That 200 million dollars that helped try and won't give it to Israel.
Come on, of course she would.
This is gonna be a good thing.
Of course, all these big Zionists want to want Israel to have it.
This is a very important strategic thing for American Jews to have power more power in Israel.
Big deal.
But I'll make a bet with you, Adam.
Nobody's gonna say that publicly but me.
And in the next I'll say in the next decade, Israel gets after it's built up and all of the harm is done.
Israel America will take the blame for stealing it.
The international community will all blame America and Trump, and it'll end up being handed over to Israel at some point.
You guys are just it's like the British mandate.
You know, it doesn't took over Palestine, and then eventually Israel took it after bombing some of the people.
The lead is gonna be a 99-year lease.
I do think Israel will end up taking it.
I do think this wreaks of a similar situation with the Panama Canal, uh, where you basically run these undercover dark op coups in order to gain a strategic piece of land, and then eventually when all the dust settles and all the the blood is dried and the bodies are home.
Um there is a new treaty made, just like we saw with the Panama Canal, which Trump is going back after.
The U.S. ran a coup in in Colombia, then they installed a new government, the country of Panama, and then they built the Panama Canal strategically for the U.S. military.
36 36,000 Americans died in that battle.
So it kind of feels like as we get through this conversation that we're seeing a similar thing now happening in the Gaza Strip.
Who are you talking about?
They're gonna clean it out, they're gonna provide a security blanket, they're gonna stabilize the region, then they're gonna give it to Israel straight up.
It will not be given to Israel.
This is such a weak dude, it's a more hungry.
They're only doing this because of Israel.
I don't know your propaganda.
They're only doing this because of Israel.
It's upon Israel's demand.
Trump is not the type of person that gives things away.
Why would we be doing this if Israel wasn't commanding us to do so?
Why do you think the US just woke up and said, Oh, we'll take it just because we love Israel so much?
No, obviously, the Jews have Donald Trump by the balls, so he chose he's forced to do this.
I mean, he took 300 million dollars from them collectively.
Hey, he can't say no.
Yeah, I think it's going to Israel for sure.
Adam is correct.
I think the decision with Israel because they're our ally.
Uh America has the upper hand on the some things that America can't change.
They can't change the fact that Israel cannot accept the Hamas government in Gaza.
Israel uh that is a fact.
So Donald Trump can't change that reality.
So all Donald Trump can do is maneuver around that reality.
So based on that reality, Donald Trump's gonna make America profit.
That seems like what it is.
But at this, but guys, we gotta go to a historic precedence.
Ronald Reagan put United States troops in Lebanon during the Lebanese Civil War.
It's a similar precedent.
Oh, we're just here for peacekeeping.
We're neutral.
We're not really picking a side.
And of course, they were just the foot soldiers for Israel.
And so that's literally what's happening here.
They're just gonna use the American.
Okay, American soldiers, it's widely known in the Middle East that Israeli infantry are cowardly.
American soldiers are not cowardly.
American soldiers, in theory, in theory, will actually take casualties and keep moving forward and get the job done.
American troops can get the job done that the Israeli troops could not.
So when the Israeli troops failed, they're bringing in the American troops.
Now, will American young men actually fight with motivation?
Uh, you know, how much propaganda and how much hot air has got to be blown up you know up their ass in order to make these American young men fight to the death against Hamas and Gaza.
It's gonna be pretty ridiculous.
But yeah, you know, that's an interesting point.
I I don't I don't really see that motivating that there's no motivation factor there unless there was a black swan event.
I will say that in the two weeks since Trump has been president, the US Army recruitment is making record numbers.
Now that doesn't necessarily translate to motivating them to go fight in uh the Middle East per se, but uh they are gaining recruitment numbers.
It is a great point.
They what they they selected specifically pro-Zionist U.S. troops to put them on the Navy vessel to have 5,000 Marines ready to be amphibiously deployed in the Mediterranean, and they specifically like asked volunteers.
They didn't they knew they knew that the public support, even in the troops was so low, they didn't just command uh troops en masse, they specifically asked who wanted to do it.
They basically the United States government is aware that public support for this is very low, and so they will need a black swan event, but it's not gonna work.
Ronald Reagan said, We're coming to the Middle East, we're gonna try to make peace, and we're not gonna tucktail and run.
That's basically a direct quote word for word.
Then what happened?
He couldn't manifest peace by force, and against the advice of the U.S. generals, they tried to quell a popular uprising by firing 136 Volkswagen buggy diameter rounds into the hills over Beirut indiscriminately.
And that was against general's advice, probably a Zionist in the ear of the president, or I don't know who made that decision to this day.
Nobody knows who made that decision.
They emptied that entire theater of war of that type of ammunition.
136 rounds of Volkswagen buggy size into the hills civilian area.
That that was their strategy to quell the popular uprising.
Then what happened right after that?
The Beirut barrier bombing, 250 Marines got blown up.
Then Ronald Reagan said, We're out of here.
And so, to be honest with you, it's probably gonna be very similar to that.
Where, oh, we're just here as peacekeepers, you know, we're not really picking a side.
But in reality, because of the Zionist influence in the United States government, the advice of U.S. generals will be ignored, and they will basically be the foot soldiers for the Israelis, and it's not gonna work.
So you gotta go back to historic precedence and see Ronald Reagan and Donald Trump, they have an awful lot in common, right?
Well, my my question, going I I feel like we're extrapolating many, many, many steps into the future off a hypothetical scenario based on something that Donald Trump just said in a in a press conference about we're we're gonna go in, we're gonna we're gonna get Gaza, all that.
But based on the way that he operates, he presents those extreme positions as a negotiating tactic.
So in the present, not not several steps in the future, and where we're already, you know, American troops on the ground fighting, you know, whoever what is Trump's actual goal here?
What what do you think Trump's actual goal here is?
Because I don't think his goal is to go into Gaza with a bunch of American troops in and take it over.
Well, I I certainly I I I certainly hope not.
And um, I apologize.
I can't stick around any longer.
I gotta shut this down.
I appreciate everybody coming on and sharing their opinions.
But you know, that that's kind of the final point is nothing is really official.
A declaration has been made.
There's no treaty, there's no international accord.
There hasn't been a meeting of the Arab world, the Muslim world, the Jewish world, Americans, who I don't think should be involved in any of it anyway.
But really, it was just a statement.
It was just a declaration today.
And so the rest of Netanyahu's time spent in well, he's not leaving till Saturday, so he's gonna be here the rest of the week.
The rest of Netanyahu's time spent here is gonna be very interesting to see what he does, what he says.
The response from the rest of the world, specifically the Arab world, the Middle Eastern world, is is going to be, I think, very telling about what's going to come next.
Um I think what we're all of what we're deriving this is from recent history, old history, Trump's maneuvering, and we really don't know what's going to happen yet.
So everybody kind of has their different geopolitical take or or maybe opinions or emotions towards this.
Uh, but really we just don't know.
So some people are sick of the U.S. being involved in the Middle East.
Some people are sick of the U.S. always acting for Israel.
Some people are sick of uh the constant war.
Some people are sick of Hamas, some people are sick of uh the Islamic world.
So there's all these different factors.
We really don't know what the final outcome is going to be, but based off of history, we're afraid it's gonna repeat itself, and that would certainly be bad.
That would certainly be bad.
But maybe Trump pulls off the ultimate miracle and somehow does re-establish peace without America, American loss of life and and blood and treasure spilled in the Middle East, which has been going on way too long.
So only time will tell.
I'm sorry I got to shut this down.
I appreciate everybody joining in on the space tonight.
Uh this is gonna be a big story for the rest of the week.
It kind of distracts from all the success that Trump has been building and gaining over the last two weeks since he got inaugurated, but Netanyahu had to come in town and make it all about him and Israel, and so that's just what we get.
Uh so thanks for everybody for tuning into the space, shutting down the space now.
All right.
Now, as far as my live audience here on Rumble, we're gonna be shutting this thing down as well.
Appreciate everybody for joining in on this um bonus Owen Schroyer live this week.
Just felt I had to go live and uh discuss this story of uh obviously geopolitical significance.
Oh man, that's just uh it's a crazy development.
We get America first, America first, America first, and then we get Israel and Netanyahu squatting on us.
That's what it feels like.
I'm signing off for the night.
God bless Godspeed.
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