The episode discusses President Trump's declaration that the U.S. will take over the Gaza Strip, a move that has sparked controversy and debate. Many argue that this is a mistake that will lead to more bloodshed and war, while others believe it could potentially bring peace to the region. The conversation covers various perspectives, including those who support Trump's decision, those who oppose it, and those who are skeptical of its true intentions. [Automatically generated summary]
Ladies and gentlemen, tonight is a special edition of Owen Schroyer Live, episode 96.
Trump declares the United States of America will take over the Gaza Strip.
And this has obviously broken all the headlines.
It's completely changed course of the opening salvo of President Trump's second administration.
And I want to let you know what we have coming up tonight.
I'm going to be doing my response to this.
I'm then going to bring in Adam King, who has lived in the Gaza Strip.
And obviously, situations in Israel and Jewish-American relations are something very near and dear to him.
So we're going to get his take.
He can respond to some of my stuff.
I'm then either going to open up the phone lines and or open up an X spaces so we can try to bring in more commentary and more opinion on this truly game-changing news story.
I mean, it's truly huge.
So I'm going to open up with my response and then go to Adam King, and then we'll open up for your responses as well.
So let me just start off with the clips so we can get the full context of what we're going to be discussing tonight.
We will first start with the announcement that really shook the world, I would say.
I mean, at least it shook the United States of America.
And the news presses are overheating right now because of this.
The social media sites are going crazy.
Here is the statement that might change the course of the Middle East for decades to come from President Trump.
The only reason the Palestinians want to go back to Gaza is they have no alternative.
It's right now a demolition site.
This is just a demolition site.
Virtually every building is down.
They're living under fallen concrete that's very dangerous and very precarious.
They instead can occupy all of a beautiful area with homes and safety and they can live out their lives in peace and harmony instead of having to go back and do it again.
The U.S. will take over the Gaza Strip and we will do a job with it too.
We'll own it and be responsible for dismantling all of the dangerous unexploded bombs and other weapons on the site, level the site and get rid of the destroyed buildings, level it out, create an economic development that will supply unlimited numbers of jobs and housing for the people of the area.
Do a real job, do something different.
Just can't go back.
If you go back, it's going to end up the same way it has for 100 years.
So that was the statement during the joint press conference that has obviously become the number one story in America, maybe the world, but definitely in America, definitely in Israel, as Netanyahu standing next to him at the joint press conference.
And I have to tell you, just to kind of open up with some opinion, perhaps, before we play the second clip and I really get into my first response to this, it is rather ironic, I have to say, that while Trump is sitting there talking about the devastation in the Gaza Strip and how it's basically been turned into rubble, the man that is standing four feet from him is the one responsible for it.
I find that extremely ironic.
It's impossible to ignore that dynamic as he was doing it in the Oval Office talking about the devastation on the Gaza Strip, which if you've seen the recent footage, Trump accurately describes it.
It is a demolition site.
But he's standing next to the guy that green lit that demolition.
So that was kind of an ironic dynamic, I think, to that moment.
Now, Trump goes a little bit more into detail when he starts taking questions from the press.
So I think it's worthy to play this clip as well before we move forward.
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Just to follow up on what you were saying about the Gazans leaving Gaza and going to other countries.
One, where exactly are you suggesting that they should go?
And two, are you saying they should return after it's rebuilt?
I envision world people living there, the world's people.
I think you'll make that into an international, unbelievable place.
I think the potential in the Gaza Strip is unbelievable.
And I think the entire world, representatives from all over the world, will be there and they'll live there.
Palestinians also.
Palestinians will live there.
Many people will live there.
But they've tried the other, and they've tried it for decades and decades and decades.
It's not going to work.
It didn't work.
It will never work.
And you have to learn from history.
History has, you know, just can't let it keep repeating itself.
We have an opportunity to do something that could be phenomenal.
And I don't want to be cute.
I don't want to be a wise guy, but the Riviera of the Middle East, this could be something that could be so bad.
This could be so magnificent.
But more importantly than that, is the people that have been absolutely destroyed that live there now can live in peace in a much better situation because they're living in hell.
And those people will not be able to live in peace.
And I have a feeling that despite them saying no, I have a feeling that the king in Jordan and that the general president, but that the general and Egypt will open their hearts and will give us the kind of land that we need to get this done.
And Biden should have said that, but he never did.
I don't know why.
Lack of intelligence, perhaps.
But he never said it.
If that happens to a leader or close to a leader, frankly, if you had other people involved also, you would call for total obliteration of a state that did it.
We'll bring on my guest, and then we'll open up spaces and get some other opinions on this.
Now, while weighing my response, I first thought, let's give it some time.
I'm sure there will be other developments in this plot, and Netanyahu is here for the entire week, which is very significant.
But then I thought, well, this isn't about a 24-hour or 48-hour or 72-hour window of time to understand what's really happening here.
This is months, years, or really even decades, potentially, to fully understand what the ramifications of this are.
Now, let me tell you what scares me and why my geopolitical philosophy is to completely decouple from the Middle East.
Just completely decouple and have nothing to do with it.
All the wars we've been involved in, all the treasure and blood we've sacrificed.
I want to completely decouple.
I want to remove entirely the United States from the situation.
And so the fact that Trump has to come out and say that about Iran and talk about his life being threatened by Iran, which, whether you believe that or not, is definitely being boosted into his ear by Mossad propaganda intelligence, just like they did to the intelligence communities claiming that those were Iranian drones off the East Coast and there was an Iranian mothership off the East Coast.
That was total Mossad propaganda.
And then the people they gave it to, highest intelligence sources, most trustworthy sources, total propaganda.
They ran to the media.
They ran with it.
It was all fake.
So there might be a level of that going into Trump's ear.
There could be a real threat from Iran too.
Point is, I want nothing to do with any of it.
I don't want my president to be threatened because of Iran and Israel relations or the larger millennia issues between Jews and Arabs.
I want nothing to do with any of it.
But let's talk about what this actually means and my really first gut reaction to this.
Trump's first two weeks, it was literally 14 days.
Trump had been in office as of yesterday.
And he was just kicking ass and taking names.
It was nothing but forward momentum.
It was nothing but America first.
It was nothing but wind in the sales for American conservatives, the MAGA movement, the America First movement, common sense policy.
I mean, so many great things happening.
And this, to me, I can't help but say it.
It's derailed it.
That's just the God's honest truth.
Now, I'm still, what's happening with the Department of Government Efficiency and crumbling the cornerstones of the leftist anti-American agenda, the Department of Education, USAID, going after the corrupt prosecutors, going after the corrupt FBI agents.
I mean, there's so much good.
There's so much great.
It's been incredible.
I've been riding high.
And then to have to deal with this today and that smirking, grinning Netanyahu, because the truth is, from my analysis, the power dynamics in that room where Netanyahu was in charge, not President Trump.
That's just my God honest opinion.
The power dynamics from the Oval Office to the press conference was Netanyahu is in charge, not President Trump.
And that hurt me a little bit.
And then there's the video of Trump taking care of Netanyahu's chair.
And I mean, that's just, I don't know.
It just adds to the whole thing.
I didn't want to hear about this crap.
I didn't want to hear about Israel and Netanyahu's agenda.
I didn't want to hear about the Palestinians.
I didn't want to hear about the Gaza Strip.
I wanted to hear about America.
We're going to take care of the Gaza Strip.
We can't even take care of New York.
We can't even take care of Los Angeles.
Now I got to deal with the Gaza Strip on the other side of the planet.
And then you bring the Arab world, Iran, back into it.
Now, I will say this.
I don't think Trump is Trump does not act in haste.
So when he talks about Egypt and Jordan and Iran and the Muslim nations and the Arab nations, he's already got all the pieces on the board to know what he's doing with this situation.
Now, the Palestinians are a completely different story.
They don't want to go anywhere but the Gaza Strip.
They don't want to go anywhere but to what they view as their homeland, Palestine.
And I don't want to get into a historical argument on this, but that's what they believe.
So forget about what I think or what you think.
That's what they believe.
That's how they feel.
They would rather live in the rubble of the Gaza Strip than go somewhere else and give that land up to, and they will view it as Israel.
It doesn't matter.
They can put U.S. flags everywhere and call it a 51st state.
It won't matter.
They will view it as Israel.
And it's that view of America that basically has intertwined us into this whole war to begin with.
So that's kind of the larger complexities of the issue, why I just want to decouple entirely.
But I mean, to me, it just was a momentum killer.
Now, can this turn into something good?
Yes.
And probably for most of the world's population, this will be something good.
But it's pretty clear the Palestinians and the people that lived in the Gaza Strip are getting nothing.
They're getting screwed.
They're being tossed aside.
And I don't know what you do about that.
They're not going to go to Jordan.
They're not going to go to Egypt.
What are you going to bribe them?
I don't even think they want.
I don't even think a bribe would work.
And really, Jordan and Egypt might be in a negotiating position with Trump for him to twist their arm and get him to do something, but it's not going to be up to them.
It's going to be up to the almost 2 million people that abandoned the Gaza Strip when it got turned into rubble as the war was going on and the bombs were going off.
And they're not, in fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they're all going back right now just to try to stake a claim.
Now, there is the aspect that Trump is right about.
This situation historically has never worked.
There's been nothing but bloodshed and war.
It doesn't matter who's in power on either side of that fence.
But I go back to the same approach, which is I really don't care.
I don't care.
And I don't think it's any of America's business either way.
So that's kind of my response to all of this.
Part of me wants to trust Trump.
Part of me wants to trust Trump and his instincts and his acumen and his understanding of the situation, which is better than mine.
But then another part of me feels like, man, it's like we're almost there.
We're almost truly America first.
We're almost just America first, America always, America only.
And then here comes Netanyahu and reminds us who's really in charge.
And it's also worth mentioning that Netanyahu comes to Trump and Washington, D.C., a desperate man.
He's not, he has failed.
He talks about the three things he wanted to accomplish.
He failed on all fronts.
They didn't win the war.
They didn't remove Hamas.
They didn't get the hostages back.
He failed on every single front.
And he's lost credibility and popularity in Israel.
We don't even need to bring up these illegitimate globalist UN courts or international criminal courts.
They're illegitimate.
They have no teeth anyway.
But, you know, they're all against him.
Some of his top generals, some of the top people in the IDF have now turned against him.
Many Israelis, he might have been popular when he won re-election.
Many Israelis don't feel so strongly about him anymore.
He came to Washington, D.C. as a desperate man, and somehow he leaves here more powerful than ever.
Why did Trump throw him that bone?
What does America get out of this?
So to me, I just don't get it.
I want to decouple.
And it feels like, even though, look, the momentum for the America First common sense movement and everything we've done in the first two weeks is still there.
It's still going.
It's kind of a separate rail in a way.
But I just can't help it.
And it's just true.
I'm not the only one that feels this way.
This felt like a major momentum bust.
And it felt like Netanyahu coming in here and just crashing our momentum.
And just a smug reminder that he's in charge and his priorities will be put first.
So that's just my first response.
And again, this isn't to me because I was like, well, is it a 78-hour, let's wait and see what happened?
No, I think that this is probably long term.
We're not going to really know the true ramifications for long term unless things get violent, which I hope is not the case.
But that, I think, is unfortunately a distinct reality, just knowing how things go in that region.
All right.
So as I said, eventually we're going to open up an X spaces.
I want to bring in Adam King.
This is a situation near and dear to his heart.
He cares about the fate of Israel.
He's also lived in the Gaza Strip.
And so I invited him on to get his take and he can respond to my take.
And he brought something up to me earlier when I was talking to him that there might be a different strategy that Trump has with this deal that we just aren't aware of yet because it hasn't manifested.
So Adam King from the Adam King show joins me now with his response.
There's going to be a big reveal in the coming months about Israel, and a lot of people's heads are going to change.
And, you know, there's a real false misconception that is extremely well funded about Israel.
But focusing on this issue, this is amazing for America, actually, because there's so many things happening on the sidelines outside of the scope of the war between Israel and Gaza.
But, you know, I saw it just the opposite that you saw.
You saw it that Trump is just like being, you know, Netanyahu's employee.
I saw it the other way around.
It was almost as if, you know, the win for Israel would have been to take the Gaza Strip, but Trump's like, no, we're taking that.
It's ours.
It's America's.
You know, it's, and, and that's just some perspective that Trump has that nobody else has.
He's an expansionist, you know, like a William McKinley type of a president.
And he's giving us Greenland.
God willing, we conquer Canada peacefully because I'm all about it.
But now the Gaza Strip, too, he just sees things in such an out-of-the-box fashion.
And the truth is, is the relationship between the Gazans and the Israelis is completely untenable.
And if you don't like what you saw for the last 16 months, there has to be some sort of relocation of one of the parties, or we're going to be right back here again because it's been going on my whole life.
I've never not known this.
I did live in the Gaza Strip.
The most peaceful time between Israel and the Gaza Strip was before Israel gave up the settlements in the Gaza Strip and gave them the territory to rule.
In 2005, they elected Hamas shortly after, and Hamas doesn't have free and fair elections.
So it's just been one repetitive thing after another on this border.
So this is like the real thing that's going on is that Russia and China made bricks, and that really challenges the hegemony of the dollar.
And so in response, America has the IMEC, the Israel-Middle East, the India-Middle East corridor.
And the IMEC was like this kind of like security blanket that guaranteed the relationship between Saudi Arabia and Israel without Saudi Arabia having to get into the Abraham Accords because it was really highly politicized.
And Saudi Arabia wanted to be in it for all the economic gain and the security protection against Iran because you also have to remember that Saudi Arabia's number one enemy is Iran.
So the Middle East is a pressure cookie.
You said earlier, you don't want to be involved in Israel's war with the Arabs.
Israel's war with the Arabs was largely solved by President Trump.
The only Arabs that want to fight Israel today are the Palestinians because they're wholly funded by the Iranian government.
It's also very dangerous with Somalia and all this stuff around there.
And, you know, like there's Islamic regimes all throughout that region in Sudan.
And it's really a chaotic, crazy place to do business.
So, but have you ever been on two-lane highway and there's road traffic and they have to stop one lane and you have to sit there and wait for all the other lanes to go.
And then the road guy says, okay, and you got to go into the left.
You're going on you're on the right side, but you got to steer into the oncoming traffic lane because there's only two lanes.
That's what the Suez Canal is like.
There's only room for one vessel through the whole Suez Canal.
So it's either going from the Mediterranean to the Indian Ocean or from the Indian Ocean to Europe in the Mediterranean.
There's a lot of traffic.
It's not a good canal system.
So the Ben-Gurion Canal system is more than double the size of the Suez Canal and can fit two ships going simultaneously in both directions.
So you can have traffic going from the Indian Ocean to Europe and from Europe going all the way out to the Indian Ocean, connecting Europe and China.
So the IMEC, the Indian Middle East corridor, is like this really, it also is kind of like this balance for the new Silk Road project that China has with Europe to try to bring Eastern products into Europe.
But I think Greenland plus the Ben-Gurion Canal offers a trade route initiative that can compete with BRICS and the Chinese Silk Road.
It's unfortunate.
It's unfortunate that we're in this position because of bad politics and bad policy for decades, because really Russia should be the American ally, and that would be the most powerful partnership in the history of the world.
But, you know, Victoria Newlands in the world and the NATO money launderers have completely sabotaged that.
So I don't know if that's even possible.
Although Putin has been very outspoken about his support for Donald Trump recently, or at least he's been positive in his public commentary.
Well, I would just say this in closing, and I'm going to start up a space here that you're welcome to join.
But here's what I will say, and I do think Trump probably feels the same way, even though he's obviously being yanked around in all directions.
He's the president, of course, with all the influence.
But I really do want the best for everybody involved.
Since I have to care, since now it's somehow my country's policy to be involved in this crap, which is my big issue, I really do hope that there's some sort of a permanent solution.
We had the Abraham Accords.
Biden blew that up.
The war started, and obviously the rest is history.
And that kind of brought us to this point.
So I think the major issue here is going to be the Palestinians.
And I guess the world is just going to, I don't know.
We'll see what the world's response to this is.
We'll see what the Arabs' world response to this is.
Well, they don't even have a trash collection agency in Gaza.
Israel administers their electricity, their water, their trash collection, and it's all at the expense of the Israeli people.
You know, like there's a very famous lawsuit in the Israeli Supreme Court with a privately held electric company that is mandated by the government of Israel to spend their own revenues to turn the lights on in Gaza.
And Gaza has this like massive bill that they haven't paid for like 20 years.
And it's a major Supreme Court case that they just refuse to pay their electrical bills.
So, you know, there's so many different things like that where like Israel is always given such a bad rap and falsely by the media.
And, you know, it's like the enemy of the UN.
But the truth is, is Israel's the best friend of America.
Without Zionists who really believed in America and America first and Donald Trump, American Jewish Zionists, Donald Trump would have never won that election.
You come out and say Jews own Trump, but really it was that Jews really came out and showed up for the Battle of America because if Harrison Walls won, it would have been over right now.
But it is an Israel first position, whether you're against or for Israel.
There's way too much Israel first on both sides, quite frankly, for my taste.
But people have their own issues, and that's fine.
But see, again, my issue is, or the question I'm asking myself is, am I willing to take, let's just say I am all anti-Israel.
And really, I'm just neutral.
I call it as I see it.
I don't like Israel's influence, but I'm not anti-Israel.
I would say, am I willing to sacrifice that the Zionists and the Israel first lobby is going to get its way from the Trump administration, but at the same time, I'm going to get my way on all these other issues.
And that shouldn't be how it operates, but it is.
But it is how it operates.
That's the reality of the situation I'm in as an American voter, an American citizen, and a Trump voter.
And so I asked myself, is that a worthy trade-off?
Because that's essentially the paradox that you've laid out on the table that I think is also very accurate.
And so that's kind of the question I have to ask myself.
And again, you're one of the few people I can talk to.
You are pro-Israel.
You're also, you've lived in the Gaza Strip and you're perfectly willing to have debates or conversations, and you've never shied away from a debate either.
A reality that everybody has to face is that the Adelson family is at least going to contribute $100 million in every single presidential election moving forward, probably even more if it's a really hot and contested election.
And so that's something that, you know, is a tremendous contribution to the Republican Party, to the American First Movement, because Sheldon Adelson was an America first patriot.
He wasn't a rhino.
He was about Trump and tax-free societies and thinking out of the box and doing things differently.
I want to get a co-host invited here so that somebody else can kind of manage the in and out of the conversation while I'm hosting the separate live stream here.
All right.
Okay.
All right.
The spaces is now live.
My co-host right now is Dominic Trippy.
He's going to be managing the space as far as the speakers are concerned and letting people in and out.
I've told him he can invite whoever he wants.
Other than that, if you request to speak, we'll get you up to discuss.
But just for the sake of the recording that we have here and for the audience on the space, this is also being live video broadcast on Rumble and on X. So there will be other references and mentions that I put in the video that you won't see in the space.
So if I'm saying things that don't make sense to an audio, it's because we're also on video.
So I just want to put that notification out there as we're just now starting the space.
Trump declares the U.S. has taken control of the Gaza Strip.
And I'd like to believe that we can erase the past and something positive can come of this, but you can't erase the past.
And that's the truth.
And Trump even mentioned that during the press conference today.
I don't like it either.
Just, I don't like it.
It feels like it kills the America first momentum.
I don't want to be hearing from Netanyahu right now.
I'm not interested in the Gaza Strip.
I'm not interested in U.S. blood and treasure having anything to do with the Middle East.
I want to completely decouple from the region.
And so that's my geopolitical stance.
And it doesn't change just because I support Trump and his stance is different than mine.
So I don't like it inherently.
Now, we can only make assumptions based off of the past.
I don't want to see U.S. blood and treasure invested in it whatsoever.
I hope that this doesn't add tension to the region, but I don't see how it doesn't.
Let's hope this doesn't add a national security risk to our homeland.
But unfortunately, I think it does.
And so now the big factor is going to be: well, I think there's two big factors now.
What are the Palestinian people going to do?
I think they're going to go back.
They don't want to leave.
They don't want to go to Jordan.
They don't want to go to Egypt.
They would rather live amongst the rubble in the Gaza Strip than go anywhere else.
The other big thing to watch is going to be the response from the Arab world and the rest of the Middle East.
Is anybody going to stand up for the Palestinians and say they have the right to that land?
Or are all of the countries going to unite and basically force them to relocate somewhere else and give the United States of Israel, let's say, the Gaza Strip?
Because there is no declaration.
I mean, Trump just said the U.S. is going to take it over.
Well, what does that mean?
Do we own the land now?
Is there a treaty?
Is there an international treaty?
Is Israel claiming we can have the land that's not even theirs?
Are the Palestinians claiming we can have the land?
So, really, it's just kind of color of geopolitical approach or military approach.
I'm not even sure what it really looks like right now.
And so, there's still things that we need to monitor here.
But to me, it was a gut blow.
And I think the worst part about it was watching Trump be our champion for two weeks and just crushing them, just crushing the anti-American agenda, just crushing the cornerstones of the leftist agenda, just gutting their operations and exposing all the fraud and crimes.
And then to have Netanyahu come to the White House and just domineer over Trump and smirk the entire time, a desperate man who needed Trump.
Just real quick, I want to say, yeah, it's entirely problematic considering that this is certainly going to increase terror threats against the United States, both domestically and abroad.
And, you know, for the longest time now, Netanyahu has wanted to provoke a war with Iran because he wants to eliminate the only significant opposition in the region.
Because, I mean, Hezbollah has been taken out.
You know, the Houthis have been greatly diminished.
Syria, you know, Assad regime has been taken over.
There's a regime change there.
So realistically, really, the last domino to fall is Iran.
And I feel like with this increased terror threat, that could be the justification to actually start a significant conflict with Iran.
And with the United States posted up right there in Gaza, what a better time.
There's not going to be a better time for us to actually directly engage in some type of conflict with them.
So yeah, I think this is all strategic.
I think they also, you know, the whole Greater Israel plan that people have spoken about.
Well, they've taken steps to actually achieve that.
They're expanding as we speak.
And with the U.S. taking this territory over, that essentially is Israel annexing the territory.
So who's to say what's going to happen to the West Bank?
And who's to say what the future is going to be with Iran?
I mean, yeah, it's like, dude, I got to push back on you though.
Like, do you understand?
You know, there's sort of a stereotype that, you know, they call it Jewish supremacy to where they act like they're so much, you know, basically just way better in every regard to the Palestinians and just so superior in every way.
And it's like the way that you're talking about it, like these people, you know, a lot of these were just normal people, man.
And like, I know there's been such a long conflict, but to speak about them like they're basically just soulless animals that can just be moved about without having any say about it.
It's just pretty heartless, man.
And so I get it from a super pro-Israel position.
But these are human beings too.
You know, they should have some determination in what they're going to and how they're going to live.
But Israel and Palestine, that gets all the media attention.
You know what I'm saying?
And it's somewhere around like 40,000 total.
These are huge number differences and to focus on the benefits of this I think that America does need to control the Ben-Gurion Canal If the Ben-Gurion Canal is going to exist, just like we need to control the Panama Canal, we need to control the Ben-Gurion Canal.
We need to control every major trade route in the entire world.
And anybody who doesn't understand that is not out for American exceptionalism and American superiority.
And this is coming from a totally utilitarian sort of position, which I'm not that type of person.
But in this situation, look, Gaza is glassed, pretty much.
I mean, it's gone.
So from the perspective that I have, I'm looking at it and I'm saying, okay, this is what Israel has wanted all along, right?
They've wanted this territory.
This has been going on for decades.
To me, I don't like any of it.
I don't like anything that's going on over there.
But I tend to think, okay, let's get this over with because that's kind of the last thing that Israel is looking for.
It's like, okay, besides that, I consider the greater Israel thing kind of a fever dream.
But if this is what they want, they're already 90% into it.
Okay, let's do all that.
And then I don't want another dime going over there.
Once they have the land and the territory that they consider to be the promised land and all that, let's just kind of move on after that.
And I hope I'm skeptical, but there's a part of me that hopes that Trump is really good.
If you've ever read The Art of the Deal and you've seen the other things that he's done, there's a part of me that hopes maybe this is just kind of a play.
I'm not counting on it, but that's, you know, sort of where I'm going.
So if they're going to go and do this and help Israel take over this other territory, I want to get out after that.
I don't want to have anything to do with it after that.
And so that's kind of the point that that's all I wanted to make.
The problem with that is that we don't know how long it's going to take to quote unquote clean it up.
I mean, this could quickly develop into like an Afghanistan, Iraq type of situation where we're basically just holding forth there, constantly getting our guys killed, constantly getting our guys shot at, but we're not actually, you know, having any progress or working towards anything.
It's just going to be a secure, all it's going to be is the United States is going to take it.
It's going to be a security buffer zone for Israel and Israel will benefit exclusively and the United States will pay.
Just like our relationship is with them now.
What do we actually get?
They always say they're our greatest ally.
What does the United States actually get from our relationship with it with Israel?
So, in order for all this to happen, Egypt and Jordan have to accept the displacement of these Palestinian refugees.
And Egypt already came out and said that that would basically be unacceptable because this is the old playbook that has already been played out.
So, back in like the 60s and the 70s, about 500,000 Palestinian refugees were displaced into southern Lebanon.
So, this exact scenario has already played out.
And anyone who knows Middle Eastern history knows that Lebanon was a neutral, the actual Riviera of the Middle East, the actual Paris of the Middle East, a luxury destination where, quote, Cold War, Soviet, and CIA agents could meet in a neutral ground in coffee shops, in bars, luxury place.
Lebanon was a nice place.
The Palestinians got displaced into there.
The world promised they would be given high-quality life and it would be okay.
Of course, that was all a lie and they were put in refugee camps and no one took care of them.
And then Lebanon had to foot the bill essentially.
And then what happened?
Well, the Palestinians started attacking Israel out of Lebanese land, either as agents installed by Israel or because they hated their life as refugees.
It doesn't matter.
The point is, is then that now is causes bellai for Israel.
That is now a cause for Israel to then continue the land grab.
And so Egypt has come out and said this exact point: that we would never accept a massive Palestinians to be on our land because then Israel can put provocateurs in there and attack Israel from this Egyptian refugee camp.
And then that would allow Israel to continue expanding its borders.
This literally already happened.
So you guys are talking about, you know, step two before we even got to step one.
There's not going to be a step one.
Not only that, the experts estimate that about 8,000 Hamas soldiers have died in this war.
Hamas and all the other guys, whatever, you know, the general Palestinian resistance factions be at them all up.
They say maybe 8,000 guys have died in this war.
But then they say they've recruited and trained and graduated at least 8,000 soldiers in that time.
So they've literally made zero dent on Hamas.
And so, you know, we're just brushing over the fact that Hamas has to be defeated, just like, oh, yeah, no problem.
Hamas will be defeated.
And then we're just brushing over the fact that Egypt's going to take them in.
They're not going to take them in.
And then what's overhanging all of this?
Well, they're going to strike the Iranian nuclear facilities.
And when they do that, Iran's going to jump in in a major way.
So the Palestinians just have to wait until that happens.
And then there will be a huge war.
And the Egyptians, they are planning for war with Israel because they know there can be no peace with Israel.
Israel obviously has their eyes on the Sinai Peninsula.
In fact, Egypt fought a war against Israel in the 70s to reclaim the Sinai Peninsula from Israel.
They already building up, so they are currently building up.
Yeah, uh-huh, yeah, coming from the dual citizen.
Yeah, I'm really going to listen to what you say, bro.
Israel is funding the countries upriver of the Nile to damn it.
They are planning to starve Egypt.
So Israel already has shown that they're an existential threat to Egypt.
So there's a peace agreement between Israel and Egypt.
Egypt is already violating it.
They're militarizing the Sinai Peninsula right now.
They're not supposed to do that because the public in Egypt wants to go to war with Israel.
The government might be reluctant, but they don't have a choice because now they're going to be put in a situation where the United States and the World Bank and the IMF, they're basically going to tell Egypt, you know, they're going to cut you off if you don't take in the Palestinians.
That's basically what's going to happen.
That's why Donald Trump is like, oh, I'm very confident that they won't tell me no.
Why is he so confident?
Because they can cause starvation and economic collapse in Egypt very easily.
Now, so how's Egypt going to get out of this mess?
They're just going to capitulate.
No, they're going to wait for Iran to do this massive war.
And then that's their chance.
That's the chance of the whole Middle East to flip the board game upside down.
Trump is obviously talking to the foreign leaders involved in this.
Okay.
So that's what I'm saying.
I'm not talking to the generals in Egypt or in Jordan.
I'm not talking to the leaders of these countries.
Trump is.
100% he is.
Now, that doesn't mean that he can't make a move, you know, feeling his momentum right now and just saying, I'm just going for everything that might end up being a mistake.
Only time will tell.
I'm just saying Trump knows the layout of the board.
So whatever ends up happening to the Palestinian people, Trump has at least communicated something with Jordan and Egypt.
Now, I don't really think it's up for debate.
I think it's pretty clear.
The Palestinians aren't leaving.
There's no way they're leaving that land.
So whatever deal Trump wants to make in the Gaza Strip, it's going to have to include them.
I don't see what else you do with nearly 2 million people.
So Jordan's not going to take them.
Egypt isn't going to take them.
Iran isn't going to take them.
Israel's not going to take them.
So whatever plan they have, that's almost 2 million people that don't want to leave and they have nowhere else to go.
So I don't know what you do about that.
Even if you do want to claim it's U.S. territory and try to bring peace to it, that's kind of the situation in the room here that I think is really there is no solution.
I'm just simply saying Trump has talked to all these foreign leaders, but one thing remains clear: Netanyahu has more influence on Trump than all these other countries combined.
People are straight up, you know, we're saying who controls who.
And if the case is that Benjamin Netanyahu ultimately has more power generally than Donald Trump, then maybe this is the agreement.
I mean, I'm just saying.
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Yeah, the decision has been made to liquidate Hamas.
And so Donald Trump doesn't seem like he can avert that decision.
So all he can do is try to make the best out of the bad situation.
And the best thing he can do is to try to offer these people a better life somewhere else and try to make the American companies the beneficiary of this land development instead of just Israel profiting off of this land development.
So Donald Trump is trying to do the best he can for America and for the Palestinians in this scenario because he's going to make Americans get rich, American companies profit off of it, hold on to that valuable real estate and develop it.
And he's going to try to make the Palestinians not, you know, go down this suicidal path.
But, you know, that's his vision and that's a commendable vision.
But the reality is, as brother Nathaniel and Owen just said, they're not going anywhere.
And Egypt doesn't, you know, Egypt has publicly said they don't want to take them in.
So long story short, it's guys, remember the Abraham Accord, the deal of the century?
The Gaza Strip is uniquely situated just north of the Suez Canal, and it will be just south of the Ben-Gurion Canal, which is twice the size of the Suez Canal, completely dominated and controlled by America.
This is a game over checkmate situation for China and for anybody wanting to import into Europe from the East.
Because again, I think that this is a very important piece to this conversation.
And maybe we don't realize it yet, but it may be the most significant piece.
So here's the here becomes the situation for Trump, whether this is a true victory for him or not.
Part of this deal, and again, nothing is official.
This is just a declaration.
There's nothing official that's been made here other than just a press conference.
There's no treaty.
There's no international accord.
So it's just a declaration at this point.
But I would say the only way Trump can really exhibit a true power play, and I don't like this, to be clear, even because I think our military or however we get involved in that situation is going to be under threat.
And the minute U.S. blood is spilled in that situation, it's a war.
I hope we can avoid that, but it seems like you're trying to thread a needle here.
But if one of the things that brings the international community together, and this is probably what it's going to take, is that Israel gets nothing other than the U.S. being there as their ally.
They don't get any control over the canal.
They don't get any say in the Gaza Strip.
They have no policy.
They have no policy control.
It's going to be all left up to the U.S. and the international community.
I don't see Israel doing that, but that would be the only way I think Trump can come out of this kind of unscathed because the commentary is already there.
It's obvious.
Trump catered to Israel.
Trump tucked Netanyahu into bed and kissed his feet.
And the body language and the power dynamics of today's events, I would say, lean in that direction.
So the only way Trump could do it was basically to say, Israel, you're not going in here.
You have no say here.
We're running the canal and we're bringing peace to the region.
You failed to do it.
You failed to defeat Hamas.
You failed to bring the hostages home.
So you have no say.
We're taking over.
That'd be the only way I could see there being a potential for peace and for whatever vision Trump thinks he has.
I want to be a little, I want to try and understand what you're saying.
And maybe, Derek, we got you back.
You had an audio issue.
Are you suggesting a rug pull on Israel?
Or what do you mean exactly?
unidentified
Okay, so what I'm seeing is that everybody in the world knows that Netanyahu allowed October 7th to occur.
So if Netanyahu takes over the Gaza Strip, it's going to look really bad on him.
The JFK files are about to come out, which are going to mention Israel being involved in the assassination of our country.
So Israel's not going to be looking very good in the American eyes.
So I think Trump bent to Benjamin Netanyahu over the table and said, look, we're going to make you guys look really freaking bad unless you give us the land and let us develop it rather than you guys develop it.
And then we have, we're going to be watching over you.
And if you guys ever attack us again, like you did on with the USS Liberty or anything like that, we're right next to you and we're going to destroy you is what I think he did.
If we cut that influence off, they could be great again.
Amen.
I like to stick to facts, guys.
What are the facts?
Donald Trump says over and over and over, we pay for this and that, and we blow up all these countries.
And what do we get out of it?
We don't even get to keep the oil.
We don't even get paid.
So if you just stick to the precedent of how Donald Trump has talked publicly, then it would actually make sense what he's saying here.
What he's saying is, we paid for all these bombs, right?
We gave you political cover.
We took all the heat and we finance you and then we're not going to get anything back.
So that's why it makes sense for Donald Trump to say that we should have this good real estate and that America should profit off of developing the Gaza Strip.
That makes sense and that fits with how Donald Trump has always talked.
So I don't think there's any like, you know, 4D chess going on.
Profit off of Gaza Strip.
The Gazans need to fucking make their country great again.
The Palestinians, the Philistines.
The Philistines have been in there for 3,000 years.
Right.
Yeah, I'm just, I'm just saying, I think Donald Trump basically is saying Hamas' leadership is not going to let the Gazans develop their city the way that Israel and America would accept.
So according to Israel and America, Hamas government is not acceptable.
Hamas government is not acceptable.
So someone has to do something about it.
They asked Donald Trump tonight, does that mean you're going to put U.S. soldiers to create security in this vision?
Are you going to use U.S. soldiers?
And he said, if that's necessary, yes.
Now, that is, as Brother Nathaniel has accurately said, inevitably going to lead to young American soldiers being ordered to go into these tunnels, which is an absolute death trap.
And the Israeli soldiers, because they are generally cowardly, did not go in these tunnels and they did not.
And that's why Hamas is still saying.
I would believe the opposite.
I would believe the Israelis would let us know those tunnels and keep us informed.
Well, everyone knows about the tunnels.
The problem is you have to have soldiers who are actually brave enough to go straight in there and take a bunch of casualties and keep moving forward.
Israeli intelligence is reporting unbelievable to our worldview.
You don't see it because you live in an echo chamber, but in our worldview, we see that all these shows of force where you have like 10,000 Hamas people in the streets, they're not really Hamas people.
They're just wearing costumes to give off this impression.
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Most of these people don't even know how to hold a gun properly.
And there is a like a stalemate between American Jews and Israeli Jews.
And Israeli Jews don't like it when American Jews participate in the Israeli government or even in the Middle East.
Until Jared Kushner, it was like a kibosh.
Anytime American Jews were involved in any sort of thing in Dubai or even in Saudi Arabia, the Israeli government and the Mossad has a huge problem with American Jews.
I do think this reeks of a similar situation with the Panama Canal, where you basically run these undercover dark op coups in order to gain a strategic piece of land.
And then eventually, when all the dust settles and all the blood is dried and the bodies are home, there is a new treaty made, just like we saw with the Panama Canal, which Trump is going back after.
The U.S. ran a coup in Colombia.
Then they installed a new government, the country of Panama, and then they built the Panama Canal strategically for the U.S. military.
36,000 Americans died in that battle.
So it kind of feels like as we get through this conversation that we're seeing a similar thing now happening in the Gaza Strip.
Why would we be doing this if Israel wasn't commanding us to do so?
Why do you think the U.S. just woke up and said, oh, we'll take it just because we love Israel so much?
No.
Obviously, the Jews have Donald Trump by the balls.
So he showed, he's forced to do this.
I mean, he took $300 million from them collectively.
He can't say no.
Yeah, I think it's going to Israel for sure.
Adam is forever.
unidentified
I think the decision with Israel because they're our ally.
America has the upper hand on the some things that America can't change.
They can't change the fact that Israel cannot accept the Hamas government in Gaza.
That is a fact.
So Donald Trump can't change that reality.
So all Donald Trump can do is maneuver around that reality.
So based on that reality, Donald Trump is going to make America profit.
That seems like what it is.
But guys, we go to a historic precedence.
Ronald Reagan put United States troops in Lebanon during the Lebanese Civil War.
It's a similar precedent.
Oh, we're just here for peacekeeping.
We're neutral.
We're not really picking a side.
And of course, they were just the foot soldiers for Israel.
And so that's literally what's happening here.
They're just going to use the American.
Okay, American soldiers.
It's widely known in the Middle East that Israeli infantry are cowardly.
American soldiers are not cowardly.
American soldiers, in theory, in theory, will actually take casualties and keep moving forward and get the job done.
American troops can get the job done that the Israeli troops could not.
So when the Israeli troops failed, they're bringing in the American troops.
Now, will American young men actually fight with motivation?
You know, how much propaganda and how much hot air has got to be blown up their ass in order to make these American young men fight to the death against Hamas in Gaza?
I don't really see that motivating that there's no motivation factor there unless there was a black swan event.
I will say that in the two weeks since Trump has been president, the U.S. Army recruitment is making record numbers.
Now, that doesn't necessarily translate to motivating them to go fight in the Middle East per se, but they are gaining recruitment numbers.
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It is a great point.
They selected specifically pro-Zionist U.S. troops to put them on the Navy vessel to have 5,000 Marines ready to be amphibiously deployed in the Mediterranean.
And they specifically asked volunteers.
They knew that the public support, even in the troops, was so low.
They didn't just command troops en masse.
They specifically asked who wanted to do it.
Basically, the United States government is aware that public support for this is very low.
And so they will need a black swan event, but it's not going to work.
Ronald Reagan said, we're coming to the Middle East.
We're going to try to make peace and we're not going to tuck tail and run.
That's basically a direct quote, word for word.
Then what happened?
He couldn't manifest peace by force.
And against the advice of the U.S. generals, they tried to quell a popular uprising by firing 136 Volkswagen buggy diameter rounds into the hills over Beirut indiscriminately.
And that was against the U.S. generals' advice, probably a Zionist in the ear of the president.
I don't know who made that decision to this day.
Nobody knows who made that decision.
They emptied that entire theater of war of that type of ammunition, 136 rounds of Volkswagen buggy size into the hills, civilian area.
That was their strategy to quell the popular uprising.
Then what happened right after that?
The Beirut Bear bombing.
250 Marines got blown up.
Then Ronald Reagan said, we're out of here.
And so to be honest with you, it's probably going to be very similar to that, where, oh, we're just here as peacekeepers.
You know, we're not really picking a side.
But in reality, because of the Zionist influence in the United States government, the advice of U.S. generals will be ignored.
And they will basically be the foot soldiers for the Israelis.
And it's not going to work.
So you got to go back to historic precedence and see Ronald Reagan and Donald Trump, they have an awful lot in common, right?
Well, my question, I feel like we're extrapolating many, many, many steps into the future off a hypothetical scenario based on something that Donald Trump just said in a press conference about we're going to go in, we're going to get Gaza all that.
But based on the way that he operates, he presents those extreme positions as a negotiating tactic.
So in the present, not several steps in the future and where we're already, you know, American troops on the ground fighting, you know, whoever.
What is Trump's actual goal here?
What do you think Trump's actual goal here is?
Because I don't think his goal is to go into Gaza with a bunch of American troops and take it over.
I appreciate everybody coming on and sharing their opinions.
But, you know, that's kind of the final point is nothing is really official.
A declaration has been made.
There's no treaty.
There's no international accord.
There hasn't been a meeting of the Arab world, the Muslim world, the Jewish world, Americans, who I don't think should be involved in any of it anyway.
But really, it was just a statement.
It was just a declaration today.
And so the rest of Netanyahu's time spent in, well, he's not leaving till Saturday.
So he's going to be here the rest of the week.
The rest of Netanyahu's time spent here is going to be very interesting to see what he does, what he says.
The response from the rest of the world, specifically the Arab world, the Middle Eastern world, is going to be, I think, very telling about what's going to come next.
I think all of what we're deriving this is from recent history, old history, Trump's maneuvering, and we really don't know what's going to happen yet.
So everybody kind of has their different geopolitical take or maybe opinions or emotions towards this, but really we just don't know.
So some people are sick of the U.S. being involved in the Middle East.
Some people are sick of the U.S. always acting for Israel.
Some people are sick of the constant war.
Some people are sick of Hamas.
Some people are sick of the Islamic world.
So there's all these different factors.
We really don't know what the final outcome is going to be.
But based off of history, we're afraid it's going to repeat itself.
And that would certainly be bad.
That would certainly be bad.
But maybe Trump pulls off the ultimate miracle and somehow does reestablish peace without American loss of life and blood and treasure spilled in the Middle East, which has been going on way too long.
So only time will tell.
I'm sorry I got to shut this down.
I appreciate everybody joining in on the space tonight.
This is going to be a big story for the rest of the week.
It kind of distracts from all the success that Trump has been building and gaining over the last two weeks since he got inaugurated, but Netanyahu had to come in town and make it all about him and Israel.
And so that's just what we get.
So thanks for everybody for tuning into the space, shutting down the space now.
All right.
Now, as far as my live audience here on Rumble, we're going to be shutting this thing down as well.
Appreciate everybody for joining in on this bonus Owen Schroyer Live this week.
Just felt I had to go live and discuss this story of obviously geopolitical significance.
Oh, man, that's just a crazy development.
We get America first, America first, America first, and then we get Israel and Netanyahu squatting on us.
That's what it feels like.
I'm signing off for the night.
God bless Godspeed.
I'll see you tomorrow on the InfoWars War Room, 3 p.m.