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	Ladies and gentlemen, Owen Schroyer Live, episode eighty-five.
	Coming to you as always through the Owen dot gold microphone.
	We're gonna be addressing the discrepancies on the X payouts.
	We're gonna be doing something interesting tonight as well that I don't know if it's ever been done before.
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	All right, ladies and gentlemen, Owen Stroyer live episode 85, addressing the discrepancies of X payouts.
	And I want to get a couple things out of the way here before we get started, and I explain to you what I'm going to be doing tonight that I don't know if it's ever been done before.
	We're coming to you through the Owen.gold microphone.
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	So here's the deal.
	Or at least not until after the election, because right now my focus is getting Trump Trump back in office.
	Right now, my focus is doing the best election coverage out there.
	And so that's where my focus is.
	That's where all my effort is going.
	However, what has happened since the last X payout period is that a lot of people have reached out to me and asked me to address this combined with the fact that the discrepancies to me couldn't be more obvious based off of my recent payout.
	Now, to be clear, I never intended to make money on X. It was never a big deal to me, people getting paid on X. I figured it was a good thing.
	And quite frankly, I always knew that there was basically a club of people who were going to get paid on X, and then there was the rest of us.
	Now, whether these were official deals that got made with X or unofficial deals that got made with X or just certain social circles that figure out how to rig the algorithm to get paid by X. I don't know.
	And there seems to be, you know, a lot of uh shadowy stuff there.
	But as long as the rules were equally applied and applied to everyone consistently, then I didn't really care.
	So in other words, okay, there's the club over here and they've got their rules, and then there's the rest of us, and we have our rules, and as long as it makes sense, then that's fine.
	But it doesn't make sense.
	It makes no sense.
	And there's clearly a club.
	And quite frankly, the issue that I have is if it if it's not a consistent formula for creators like myself, okay, well, then why would I want to rely on X to make money?
	It doesn't make any sense.
	Plus, I find it extremely disingenuous, and this is where I really have the problem.
	And, you know, maybe before I say this, I should be clear.
	I I'm not trying to put anyone on blast.
	There's there's no personal beef.
	If anybody gets brought up in this, it's it's it's nothing personal.
	It's really not.
	I I like everybody.
	I try to get involved, I try to get along with everybody for the most part.
	I do get along with everybody.
	Um so that there's no personal beef here.
	It's not a personal thing, it's not a money thing.
	there's two issues that I care about on this.
	One, I think it's extremely disingenuous to lead people along a path that says, hey, look at how much money I make on X And they publicly, they publicly post this stuff.
	And they say, look at how much money I make on X. You can make money on X, you can make a living on X. Well, if you're getting a special deal, if you're getting special treatment, knowing that you're getting some special treatment, you're getting some special deal on X that nobody else gets, and then you put that out without telling people, well, that's disingenuous.
	And that's misleading people.
	So to me, that's a problem.
	And again, I'm not, you know, I want to be careful here.
	I'm not picking any personal beasts.
	I'm not attacking anybody.
	I'm not meanting to call, I'm not meaning to call anybody out, but I think it's fair to say that that's a little disingenuous.
	That's a bit of a misrepresentative representation.
	If you've got some sort of a special deal where you can make a living on X, and you can make six figures a year on X, but but not everybody gets access to that.
	Not everybody's gonna make 10 grand plus a month per payout.
	Well, then that's that's just that's really disingenuous to do.
	So that's that's one little issue.
	But I think more importantly, and this is where I think this is where I think the real conversation needs to go.
	So you can talk about who gets paid or who doesn't, or the formulas, or whatever.
	That's one side.
	To me, this is the more important aspect of this conversation.
	X has become the most important source for news and information, probably in the world right now.
	And for most people, it's their main source.
	And for most people, it might be their only source.
	And so what has happened since X has gotten monetized is a couple things.
	One, what you've created is a monetization motivational factor to post spam, to post clickbait, or women to post their bodies.
	And it seems to be impossible to avoid.
	It's kind of like if you go to the Daily Mail or you go to the New York Post website, you're going to see some chick with their breasts out.
	Thank you.
	Oh, this chick got married, this chick got divorced, this chick's on a yacht, this chick's over here on a model chute, this chick world broad of the TV show.
	It's always there.
	And now that's what X is turning into.
	Now, if you're a female and you can make 10 grand a month posting selfies on X, you're going to do it.
	And they are doing it.
	And if you've figured out how to game the algorithm or make clickbait, or make false leads, you can do that as well.
	And both of these things are happening on X. So is this what we want the platform to become?
	Is this what we want all the momentum behind X right now to turn it into?
	So it's it's it's, you know, it's kind of a tough debate.
	Because the other platforms monetize their creators.
	Okay, maybe X should do it too.
	But then again, you can see how that's hurting the content, watering down the content, degrading the content, degenerating the content.
	So what do you do?
	Well, we need to have that conversation.
	Otherwise, the rate it's going, it's gonna be the haves and have nots, and it's gonna become the clickbait, spam, algorithm rigors that dominate the platform, and it'll eventually become what it was originally.
	And I don't want to see that because it's the most important app in the world right now, and what Elon Musk has Done for it is obviously so key, so important, it can't be overstated.
	But I think we need to be careful to preserve it and not let it get destroyed by people taking advantage of the monetization or it becoming a situation of the haves and the have nots.
	Now I'm gonna do something here that I'm not sure has ever been done before.
	Now we're live on Rumble and X right now.
	But some of the people I've talked to that that wanted to talk about this and have me do a space on this, want to comment and talk about this and some of the things that they're seeing as well.
	So I I'm approaching this from a journalistic standpoint because it's a big story.
	X is the most important app in the world, it's the most important news source in the world, and I don't want to see it get degraded and degenerated and watered down, which is the path that I see it going down right now.
	So if you want to do selfies, go to Instagram.
	If you want to do adult content, go to OnlyFans.
	If you want to do clickbait, go to YouTube.
	We need to preserve X. We need to preserve it.
	And that's the most important thing to me.
	The whole issue with there's a big club and you ain't in it, and people saying, look, I can make 10 grand a month on X, you can too.
	Create on X, but the truth is that they've got some deal that you'll never get.
	Well, that's kind of a side issue, but maybe an issue as well.
	But nobody's discussing this stuff.
	And so we'll come on here, we'll discuss it, we'll look at this, and we'll see what's really going on.
	So I'm I'm live on X, I'm live on Rumble right now.
	I'm gonna try to also start an X spaces while I'm live.
	So this is gonna be a little tough.
	I'm running this whole thing by myself, but I think I'll be able to do it.
	So let's see what happens here.
	Let me fire this up live and let me see, because I'm not sure if you can be live on X with a video and then also live on an X spaces at the same time.
	But that's what we're gonna try to do, and I'm gonna try to run this whole thing through my soundboard as well.
	Uh, but the way I've concocted this in my mind, I think it's gonna work.
	I haven't even test ran it yet.
	So basically we're doing the test now.
	So here it goes.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, okay.
	I think um.
	I think it should work.
	The only thing that might not work is I don't know if it can pick up my microphone or not.
	All right, let me see.
	Uh, do you guys can you guys hear me on the spaces right now?
	If so, just put a thumbs up on the deal.
	It looks like the audio is going through.
	So I think we should be good here.
	Okay, that's amazing.
	So we're it's working.
	We're making, we're doing new things here.
	We're testing new things, we're we're stress testing everything.
	So, okay, we're good.
	All right, let me get.
	Let me get the co-host on here.
	I'm gonna get my co-host live, Dominic Michael Trippy here to uh help run this.
	Uh Dominic, can you hear me?
	Whoa, way too loud.
	I apologize.
	I hold on, it's okay.
	I'm addressing it.
	I apologize to the audience that came in really hot.
	Um, you should be good now.
	Go ahead and talk again.
	All right, he's muted himself.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, how's the audio from my end coming in?
	I see.
	So it's picking up both of my microphones is what's going on.
	All right, so let me try something.
	All right.
	Well, we're stress testing this.
	I had a feeling it might be a little clunky.
	But that's all right, because I don't need to talk.
	Uh I don't need to talk on the spaces necessarily.
	Hey, so Dominic, why don't you go ahead and send this into the chat to get anybody in here that wants to talk about this?
	And I will start to take speakers who want to talk about this.
	Now, if you're listening on the spaces, again, I'm gonna explain what's going on.
	I'm hosting a live on X and I'm hosting this Spaces.
	Rumble is saying that they can't hear any of that.
	Is that true, guys?
	People on Rumble, you guys can't hear any of this?
	Hmm.
	I wonder if I can do it.
	See, my concern was if I do it on my desktop that it will cancel out the audio.
	But let me see, maybe I can.
	Let me try this.
	See, now the problem is...
	All right.
	So I think it's working through my computer now.
	Maybe if I just move that over here.
	All right, what is it?
	What does it sound like now?
	Go ahead, Dominic.
	Talk to me.
	Like an old school baseball announcer vibe going.
	There's a few different things going on.
	No, I think it's kind of working now a little bit.
	I think I think I may have corrected it.
	All right, guys, stick with us here.
	All right.
	So uh Dominic Michael Trippy is with me.
	I think I've corrected the audio issue.
	Everybody should be able to hear me and you, and then anybody else that gets into the space here.
	So I think we should be good.
	I mean, I hate to do it too, man, but I don't think you can hear the double like everybody else can, but it's pretty uh it's pretty rough.
	So like, can it.
	All right, we're gonna try this again.
	I'm gonna try a diff.
	I'm going to try a different method, guys.
	Thank you.
	How do you even have to start the space?
	I think that's what we're going to have to do.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, because it won't let me start a space on here.
	All right.
	It's all right.
	Hey, why don't you go ahead and start the space?
	And I'll just join your space.
	For whatever reason, it won't let me start a space on my uh on my computer.
	So why don't You just start the space and I'll join that, and then it should be fine.
	So oh, wait a second.
	Maybe I can.
	Wait, hold one second.
	Let me try one more thing.
	I may have figured this out.
	All right.
	I'm a bit of a tech engineer in my own way.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Now, all right, we're we're good now.
	We're definitely good now.
	The audio should be good now.
	All right, I got it up.
	Join the space, and I'll make you a speaker and a co-host.
	So here's the other thing I noticed as we're getting started here.
	Thank you.
	I had, and again, this isn't about money.
	This isn't about me.
	I had my biggest pay period, month, whatever, on X by far.
	By far the most views, by far the most impressions, by far the most engagements, everything.
	And I made less money.
	And so it was that combined with seeing all everybody else's money.
	And some people posted their payouts and their impressions.
	And in some cases, I had like twenty times as many views and impressions, and they got twenty times as much money as I did.
	So again, this isn't about the money.
	This is about truth and transparency on the most important app in the world right now.
	That's what this is about.
	Thank you.
	So we're gonna be taking comments here shortly.
	But there's some people specifically that wanted to talk about this, that wanted me to talk about this.
	And, you know, spaces is good for some things.
	It's bad for other things.
	I mean, really, I can't stand spaces, but...
	for something like this to get a round table going, it's fantastic.
	Thank you.
	Yo, join the space so I can make you a co-host.
	But I'm not the only one that has noticed this.
	All right, we're about to do the real final stress test here.
	Man, I'm pretty sure.
	You're live right now.
	I don't know.
	I can hear you.
	I think we're good, though.
	Yeah, yeah.
	We got a double speak.
	I got all the bugs worked out.
	All right, you're a co-host now, so you can start inviting people and you can make them speakers too, can't you?
	Oh, yeah, I can do the whole nine.
	I know you don't like spaces, but I'm I'm quite comfortable in the space realm.
	So this is yeah, I mean, this is the best way.
	This is the best way to do what we're trying to do here tonight.
	Um, and can you put this in that chat room that we were in with all the people that wanted to talk about this too?
	Are you able to do that?
	Yeah, I'll do it right now.
	All right, so let me let me pull one thing up quickly here, guys, from Dan Bongino who noticed this as well.
	And look, Dan Bongino is obviously a part owner and investor in Rumble.
	But I don't think he does this for competitive reasons.
	I think he does it because he, like everybody else, wants truth and transparency.
	Now, Dan Bongino has five point eight million followers.
	Dan Bongino has 5.8 million followers on X. And he says this.
	I love what Elon is doing with Twitter, as I've repeatedly and publicly stated, but this is shady.
	I have almost 5 million followers here, and I signed up for monetization to see what the income stream looks like.
	And this is the type of payments received from Twitter.
	Disclosure, I am an investor in Rumble, but I want all parties in the free speech space to succeed.
	And he made $379, where Mr. Beast somehow made a quarter million dollars, and other people that have a much smaller following, much smaller engagement statistic, impression statistic than I had made 20 times as much money.
	Now, some stuff has been sent to me privately in confidence.
	Um a lot of the other stuff is just public.
	It's public information.
	And so I will again explain this as the space is now live.
	And I'll be transparent with you too.
	I I make about 400 bucks a month.
	I make about 400 bucks a month or pay period, whatever it is, on X, about 400 bucks.
	So I'm not making a living on X. I never plan to make a living on X. Um, but I'm always hovering around 400 bucks, even though my last pay period was by far the biggest numbers I've ever put up.
	By far.
	I mean, like 2,000% increase in in views and impressions.
	And somehow I still only made the same amount of money.
	So it just doesn't make sense.
	So there needs to be transparency in the formula.
	And if there's a if there's a club of people who are allowed to make a bunch of money on X because they have a deal, an official deal with X or an unofficial deal, or they're in some social circles that know how to work the algorithms, then that needs to be that needs to be transparent as well.
	Because it's not fair to come on here and post your $10,000 or whatever payout and say, oh my gosh, look, I can make money on X. I can make a living on X, but you've got a deal that allows you to make that money that other people cannot get.
	Cannot get access to.
	And so to me, that's disingenuous.
	But the money thing is only is uh is really a small percent of this issue.
	And I'll reintroduce this to the X spaces.
	The real reason why this is an issue is because X is the most important app in the world.
	X is the most important app in the world right now.
	It's the most important source of news in the world right now.
	It's the source of news in the world right now.
	And what's happening is because of the monetization factor, the content Is changing.
	And so people are now using X to engagement farm with clickbait and leading headlines and false leads and different ways to glitch the system to get views.
	And then you have the aspect of women posting selfies to get views, to get clicks, and then it's forced into your news feed.
	So I don't want to see X go that way.
	I don't want to see X get watered down by clickbait engagement farming content.
	And I don't want to see X get watered down by women who are now coming on here to monetize by posting selfies, which is going on.
	If you want to post selfies, go to Instagram.
	If you want to do adult content, go to OnlyFans.
	If you want to do clickbait, go to YouTube.
	We should not be motivating this content on X, the most important app in the world, specifically the most important news app in the world.
	And if this app gets watered down like that, it's going to hurt it.
	But then on the monetary end, you need to have transparency.
	You have to.
	Because if you don't have transparency, then what do you have?
	You have the have nots and you have the haves and the have nots.
	And I don't want to see this platform turned into the haves and the have nots.
	So either have a transparent formula.
	Or have a situation where if you've got a deal with X to make a bunch of money, then when you're posting your payouts, you should you should be transparent about that.
	You should make that disclosure.
	It says, hey, I made 10 grand on X, but I also have a deal with X, and part of that deal is I post that so that I can promote other people to come on here and try to make money and say, look, you can make a living on here, even though they know that they can make that money, but you probably can't.
	So we're gonna let some of the people get into this space that wanted to address this.
	But you know what I found out, which is unfortunate, is that people are talking about this behind the scenes, but they don't want to go out and talk about it publicly because they're afraid it might hurt them on X, they're afraid it might hurt them in some social circles, they're afraid they might come off as bitter.
	So they asked me to do it.
	And I told them that if they want to talk about it, that they can come on here and I'll give them a platform.
	Now, there was one individual who thinks that they understand what's going on with this.
	I'll see if I can find this page.
	It was the Parsival, but now it looks like I can't even find it.
	Maybe they uh removed him from the old search because he did have it figured out.
	I could have sworn this person was in my DMs, but now I can't find him.
	maybe he's uh let me search somewhere else Here it is.
	They don't even this guy didn't even show up on the search.
	See, but this is an older thread.
	So this is probably outdated from the parsival.
	This thread will serve the purpose of providing a mountain of evidence to real Paulina Luna for her congressional hearing against Twitter 1.0 employees for their role in mass censoring conservatives.
	Well, this is not what I'm talking about.
	So this guy, I don't know if he thought this is what I was addressing, but but I was addressing the new formula.
	So I'm not really sure if this even applies here.
	But I wanted to hear from people.
	From the people who wanted me to talk about this, but I don't know.
	Maybe they don't want to go public.
	Maybe they don't want to talk about it.
	Because they're afraid it will hurt them in the X algorithm.
	I would say don't even try to make money on X. Don't rely on making money on X. Because unless you're in the club, you're not going to.
	It's pretty clear to me, based off of what I've seen and what I've heard from other people that there's haves and have nots as far as the X payouts are concerned, which is fine.
	If you've got a deal with X for whatever the deal is, and you make more on X than the people that don't, then that's fine.
	But you should disclose that before you tell other people, hey, come make money on this platform.
	And then you show your $10,000 payout.
	But the only reason you make that money is because you've got a deal.
	Whereas somebody that doesn't have a deal is never going to make that.
	So I don't really care about getting into the club.
	It doesn't matter to me.
	I'd rather protect X from monetization and motivation to make clickbait and false leads and selfies and adult content end up taking it over because of the monetization factor.
	And I don't want to see it become a platform of the haves and the have-nots either.
	But that's where it's headed right now.
	And it's the most important app in the world.
	And if we let it go that way, it's never coming back.
	And that's the problem.
	So I don't want to see that.
	Now, again, I don't want to turn this into a personal thing.
	You can see who posts publicly that they're making tens of thousands of dollars on here.
	And I've looked at those people's numbers.
	We've gotten some of the numbers from behind the scenes.
	We've crunched them with my numbers.
	I do better numbers.
	I have more followers, and I make one twentieth of what these people make.
	So what's the formula?
	And then when you ask, they stop responding.
	Thank you.
	So that's what's going on with that.
	Now I'll start taking other speakers in here now.
	So anybody that wants to get in here and talk about this, you can go ahead and request.
	I don't know if my co-host Dominic wants to weigh in on all of this.
	But he has a lot of these numbers, and he has access to other people's numbers and my numbers and the payout numbers as well.
	And so he can see this.
	I mean, yeah, let me let me say something real quick.
	So just to give people an idea of just how harsh the discrepancy is.
	I mean, there's guys that are posting this is quite literally what this this person posted.
	This doesn't make any sense, Elon WTF, and his payout was 78,000.
	It was uh 7800 bucks.
	And this is a guy, 30,000 followers.
	You know, seems to be a pretty modest account.
	Um it's not any really anyone of note.
	He's got, you know, a few followers that are pretty big, but not anything exceptional, not you know, the impressions aren't Anything like his last post.
	Let's see.
	I'll give you one that's at least got a little bit old.
	But you know, 2.7,000 impressions, like it's nothing crazy.
	And seemingly, man, it's just like, you know, like yourself, you know how they're trying to make this uh be a streaming platform where people are trying to bring, you know, most of their video services to it.
	And all of those sites have very clear metrics and how you're actually being paid.
	It's called RPM, and it's it is it essentially is a number that you get per every 1,000 views that your video receives.
	So, you know, if you have a banger video that gets five million views on YouTube, you're gonna get a pretty decent amount of coin.
	But here's the thing it's like, why would anyone actually rely upon X to give them their money, especially from a streaming perspective, if you know, there's really no rhyme or reason in how you specifically get paid.
	So I know you, for instance, you're live streaming on the platform.
	Now it's it might be multi, you know, it might be uh being simulcasted on other platforms as well, but you're on X at a minimum of three hours a day, Monday through Friday.
	So I just find it hard to believe that you had a 10x increase in your impressions, and uh, you know, you actually got quite a bit less on this pay period.
	And then we've got random accounts that have you know less than half the following and have they're they're posting either a significantly lesser amount or something that's a little bit uh you know comparable to what you've had impressions-wise, and they're getting like more than 10 times as much.
	And 20 times, 20 times from what we've seen.
	And like, let's be honest, the only real discernible fact that we can really find, or the only common denominator, is that these people either interact directly with or are like personal friends with Elon.
	And so if that's the only way that people are getting paid, or there's no transparency at all, there's really no incentive to use the platform, especially for streaming.
	Now, of course, like for news and for your normal Twitter behavior, of course.
	And that's why this is kind of a two uh it's a two-pronged issue.
	We have, you know, is monetization good for X, and I think it's pretty clear for anyone that's gonna be honest with themselves that informationally speaking, no, absolutely not, because it waters down people's message, it makes them, you know, like you said, basically, dude, people have incentive to post their tits.
	They don't have incentive to actually post really riveting information, especially things that might shape things up, especially things that are critical of Elon Musk or AI or Twitter in general.
	And there's our there are some real problems.
	There's also an issue on the platform where you know, you see people using, pardon my French, but they'll use the words like retard and faggot and whatever else.
	I get instantly um, you know, if I say the word faggot on the platform, I get immediately algorithmically and automatically blocked, and the post gets rate limited or uh view limited, and other people say, you know, that word all day.
	So I don't think it's asking for much.
	We're simply asking for uniform implementation of the X terms of service.
	And whatever those terms of service might be, they're going to potentially, you know, get your account shadow banned or limit your reach.
	People have the right to know, especially if they're paying for the service and they're expecting some type of reliable form of payment in return.
	Well, and I think too, you know, and this is just more of an ethics thing, but if you got a deal, if you have a deal unofficially or officially with X, or if there's social circles that have figured out how to game the algorithm, or it could just be as simple as, hey, everybody in this group of 10 people or whatever, we're gonna like and repost everything everybody ever posts, and that'll help us boost our own numbers.
	Well, then they should probably disclose that or be transparent about that because it's misleading to put up your payments, and if you've got like 100,000 followers, you average like 20,000 views or whatever, you know, your numbers are consistent, and somebody says, oh wow, okay, I have that.
	I can make 10 grand, I can make 15 grand a month.
	I mean, that's a livable wage.
	You're making six figures if you're making 10 grand a month on this platform, but if there's other things at play that are getting you to that number, then it's a bit disingenuous and and perhaps even unethical to not disclose what's going on behind the scenes that are leading you to get those numbers.
	I mean, there's virtually no chance.
	I mean, we already know at this point that it seems that there really is no actual discernible way To know how people are getting paid, other than this whole thing with knowing Elon.
	Because I mean, there's some people again, like the Dan Bon Gino example, I guess you people could say that's not credible any longer because they've said that they've changed uh you know the ways in which they do pay people, but I just don't understand how there's not like a clear list exact like this isn't rocket science.
	There's tons of other platforms that are significantly less technologically advanced, they have significantly less resources, you know, they're like sponsored by gambling sites and stuff, and it's just like uh probably like 10 dudes.
	So I don't understand how they can figure out clear metrics, uh, but you know, Twitter can't.
	So I I do think it's problematic.
	I do think monetization in general on the platform is problematic also for just the authenticity of information.
	But I think the least that we can expect, both with terms of service and with monetization standards or or what the criteria is, uh just for total transparency and a simple list.
	I mean, they've got grock, that can make you a simple list of anything you ask it for.
	So why why can't you just use your own technology even to give something that's uniform that's easily understandable for everybody that decides to use it?
	Everyone deserves this just like a team starting at the brand new season, everyone deserves a shot from the same starting point.
	People always complain about that, you know.
	Democrats will complain about that and try to take your money away from you in real life because of it.
	But I think that it's just not fair when no one knows, you know, the kind of conditions they're dealing with.
	Yeah, I would say if the conversation, which is the most important aspect of this, if the conversation is monetization on X good or bad for the platform, I I would say it's probably bad.
	Unless you're going to have a one formula policy for all creators, and anybody who creates that has a special deal is gonna be disclosing that, then you really just watered down the platform.
	I mean, it it's already happening, and I made this point earlier before I started the spaces.
	But basically, if you go to the Daily Mail, or if you go to New York Post, wherever, and I go get news from these sites all the time.
	I you can you they always have women half naked.
	This woman was at this party wearing this bra.
	This woman was on this yacht with this rich guy, this woman wore this to a movie premiere.
	This woman was caught half naked on Instagram, and they always have it up there.
	It's clickbait, it waters down the content, and you can't help but avoid it.
	Now that's happening on X2.
	And I don't want to see that on X. If you want to post selfies, go to Instagram.
	If you want to do adult content, go to OnlyFans.
	If you want to do clickbait stuff, go to YouTube.
	I want to keep that off of X. And so this is what's going on the platform right now.
	And again, I wasn't even going to address this until after the election because I'm just focused on the election stuff right now.
	But so many people asked me to address this, especially after myself, uh, especially after I myself noticed that the discrepancy in my own stuff was just ridiculous.
	Um, then I had to uh basically address it because it didn't make any sense.
	All right.
	Uh we'll start taking some other speakers here.
	Unless there's anything else you wanted to say, Dominic, we'll start opening it up for the other speakers.
	Now let's go ahead and we'll hit some speakers.
	Uh let's see.
	Definitely not advice.
	You want to go ahead?
	Okay, so it I don't know what spaces you guys have been in about this, but not this last pay period, but the pay period before when this whole big jump initially happened.
	I was in a space with Angela B, and I mean, we all know her posts do numbers, right?
	Like she's got amazing metrics, mostly because people are in a replies hating on her, right?
	Is that bold lib or whatever?
	Yes, yes.
	Okay, okay.
	She was in a space, she was talking about her metrics, right?
	And I was in a space in the same space.
	I made, I think it was $98 that week, okay?
	She made like 110.
	And I had probably a tenth of her statistics.
	Like we went through line by line statistics, right?
	So I think the pot that really irritates most people that are on, you know, the short end of this stick, uh, you know, it's not that we don't want to see people succeed or whatever.
	Like, I'm happy for you.
	I'm glad you made seven grand, six grand, whatever in two weeks, that's fantastic.
	Keep doing it.
	I think the problem becomes when we start seeing People who have similar metrics that have wildly different payments and there's no structure to explain how that's you know if someone else has way more impressions and way more engagements than you and they're getting more replies.
	How are they getting less money if the idea is that now we're being paid by premium users interacting with your content?
	Like two plus two does not equal four in that situation.
	So if there's something else that's going into this, I think it would be fair to let creators know because I would like to know if there's a certain amount of content of mine that's taking off more.
	It's not that I want to, you know, manipulate the algorithm.
	I want to know what my audience wants to see.
	Sometimes they don't know how to articulate what they interact with most, you know, they just go and they interact with things, and it is what it is, and you know, they can't necessarily pinpoint that when you ask them directly, but Twitter has the metrics to figure it out and give you advice on like okay, well, this one had a ton of replies, and it really kept people engaged, and so we're gonna pay you more on this, or whatever it is, right?
	And they just refuse to do that, and then when you try and bring this up with people, they get mad and say that you're jealous, or you know, that you're just being a hater, and you should just put out better content, and it's like what's your idea of better content?
	That's so subjective for each person.
	And so I think until they make it transparent, there are gonna be a lot of unhappy people.
	And there's also the aspect of do we even know if it's been fully rolled out?
	I mean, the the FAQ section said that it wasn't supposed to be out until November 8th, but then there were posts implying that it has started rolling out and now it's based on premium use over engagement, but only some people have had these significant jumps.
	If the whole thing is just that, well, it hasn't fully rolled out, and you're all gonna see jumps by November 8th, then just say that.
	I I don't know why it's so difficult for someone from X to say this, and instead we're getting it through like third-party people who are quote unquote friends with people at X, like I I know when when people say the whole like better content thing, that's just such a cop out because here, for instance, so on October 20th, and I'll try to put it here in the in the nest so people can see it.
	But on October 20th, Owen had a tweet, uh, very popular style of content, which is an on the street interview at college campus with a bunch of different girls, and it was about asking them.
	Uh, you know, I'll pull it up, Dominic.
	I'll pull it up on the screen too.
	All right, so he's got this tweet, it gets 55 million impressions.
	It's about um, you know, that a lot of young college women, they primarily only vote for abortion and they don't really know about any other issue, which isn't it's that's not we're not even here to get political about it.
	However, the point is is for 55 million views just in one video and maybe 20, 30 additional million views, so 80 to 100 million views over the two-week period, and it's like the guy gets 10 times as much or 10 times less payment, but he's got so much more engagement, tons of big accounts.
	Uh, I mean, I couldn't even go, it would take me like 10 minutes to list off all the huge accounts with either millions or several several hundred thousand followers that interacted with this post and several other posts in the payment period.
	So it's like again, there's just you would think that they could at least make some sort of comparative excuse, like, oh, you didn't do this, or there's one particular metric that you didn't achieve where you can make some kind of excuse, but this just seems to be straight up nepotism and favoritism, uh, with lack of any actual real consistent data points.
	So I I don't think I get that getting paid on here is an advantage.
	I'm not trying to bitch, I don't it's not about me, by the way.
	I don't really care.
	But yeah, yeah, let me let me let me expand on one other part of this too.
	And again, I I never really cared about making money on X. It was never my plan to make money on X. I don't care if I make zero dollars on X. This is more about X not becoming a watered down platform.
	But I will say this from uh from a standpoint if I'm if I'm working at X and I'm saying I really want to this to be competitive with let's say YouTube, right?
	And there's rumors that they might be making X TV or whatever.
	Well, of course I'm banned from YouTube, but people can get on YouTube and basically, you know, for lack of a better word or phrase, they can do what I do, they can do what I do on YouTube and they can monetize and they might be able to make a living.
	And that's because the same formula applies to everybody.
	If you get millions of views on YouTube, no matter who you are, your payout is going to be the same.
	And so people have been able to make a m make a a living off of YouTube and being successful on YouTube.
	And it seems like that's that access or that growth curve or that ability to kind of climb the ladder, it doesn't really exist on X yet.
	Now they could still be working the thing.
	I don't know.
	I just I just think that for X to remain the most important app and the number one app for news, you know, it's worth it for people to know what's going on.
	And I think that for transparency purposes, if you're not going to be disclosing any deals you have with X that make you get 10 grand a month compared to others that do better numbers, well, then there's a level, there's a level of disingenuous there.
	So no, I I can't, I can't put up my best content.
	I can't get uh 200 million impressions in a pay period and get a bunch of money.
	But somebody that does 5% of what I do can.
	So I I don't know.
	Nobody's been able to make any sense of it.
	And so people asked me to address it, and so that's what I'm doing now.
	So uh we'll let Dominic kind of handle the speakers here as uh I'm conducting this live on Rumble, live on X. We got a video, we got a spaces going.
	So uh I don't know if um definitely not advice if you were done yet, if we wanted to move on to somebody else.
	So I kind of made my point, but just to kind of piggyback off what you said, it starts to feel like an MLM when when it's allocated this way, and that they say, oh, we want people to join premium, and that's the money we're gonna use to pay creators, but then only certain creators get some weird lump sum, and we're all supposed to be out here shilling premium plus, so it goes into the creator queue, but they have a bunch of people at the bottom who no matter how much impressions or engagements they get, we'll never see a penny.
	Like it just starts to feel like an MLM situation, in which case I will never recommend anyone get premium or premium plus if they're not going to be transparent about how they're gonna split things up with creators.
	All right.
	Thank you for chiming in here.
	We'll uh we'll let some other speakers in here.
	Dominic, you can um conduct here for us.
	Yeah, if anyone wants to talk, I just asked you guys do hands just to make it easier for me.
	But so I see uh Connor, you got your hand up.
	What's up, man?
	Yo, hey, uh, I just want to say Owen Shore, you're the GOAT man, especially because you rode with Alex Jones, but um not only that, you have Jesse Lee Peterson all the time, and that guy is amazing.
	Um I've been putting out some Christian content and I was uh is that me echoing?
	Yeah, we got a really bad connection with you.
	No, it's the person next to me.
	Thank you.
	There you go.
	Yeah, yeah, anyways.
	Um That was a good call out, bro.
	You got some fucking supersonic earring.
	Anyway, sorry about that.
	I really do, I really do.
	Um anyway, so I was posting videos on TikTok, and I got one to like 20 like thousand views, and they immediately took it down, and I was just live like 20 minutes ago, like just talking about Trump, talking about how people should vote for Trump because there's like everyone on there, that Dean guy, you know, there's a bunch of TikTok Democrats that are on there doing their lives, and so I'm you know, conservative.
	I get on there to do a one for Trump.
	I got like two thousand people on there, they're all listening to me, like debate Democrats back and forth like they do with the other guys, and immediately I get flagged for hate speech, and they remove my my uh content, and it's just like they are already starting like to take people down that are conservators on social media like hard within the these next couple weeks.
	Um you said this was on TikTok?
	Yeah, yeah.
	I mean, that doesn't surprise me.
	People have been complaining about that for a while.
	I just don't know what to do, like because I don't want to be just on X because I know everyone is not just on X. I just wish like the platforms were a little bit more fair because it's like I don't even know exactly what I said that could have been like the reason why I got taken down.
	I was just talking about how Trump was better than Kamala, and like I literally was just given my reasons and someone flagged me for hate speech.
	You know, that's funny because it is a good point about being able to diversify your where you put your content, and And I'm not a good example to use, obviously.
	Working at InfoWars, I've been banned pretty much everywhere.
	Um, but it it is a good point because there are different users on each site, and there are videos of mine that go that go viral on TikTok, and you know, I'm not I'm not even on there.
	When when TikTok first was getting popular, InfoWars was creating media pages for everybody.
	You know, my show had a page there, and we were we were posting my content on TikTok, and of course it was pretty much banned immediately.
	And yet there's videos of mine that go viral, get millions of views on TikTok, other other users creating them that otherwise would never see me.
	So it it's kind of a it's kind of a weird, it's a weird ship, uh weird C to navigate your your ship in.
	Uh, and and again, if X wants to be a place where the censored and the band can go to create content and you know, maybe maybe make a little money, well, then it needs to be a little more fairly balanced, it needs to be transparent, the formulas.
	I mean, it's hard to make money on Rumble, I'll tell you.
	Um, you can make money streaming and getting your own deals, but I mean, just from Rumble payouts, you know, it's hard to make a living there too.
	So how do you feel about uh kick?
	I I don't know much, I don't know really anything about kick.
	Gotcha.
	Well, I just wanted to share my because I've uh just want to share my little experience with you guys, and it's just you guys would probably appreciate it.
	It's just kind of frustrating as a you know, a conservative content creator trying to, you know, do what the Democrats do and you know, put our message out there a little bit.
	And just like I I try to post a little on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, and I just actually started this ex account a little bit a little bit ago.
	But um, yeah.
	Um any idea any good tips like if you were putting it like let's say you didn't work for InfoWars and you were starting fresh over, like how would you go about it?
	Well, again, you know, I'm kind of a bad example to use because I'm already banned everywhere.
	So I'm already basically I I'm already basically uh, you know, put into the corner of whoever will let me on there, that's where I'm gonna have to go.
	Uh so that's not I'm not really the best example to use.
	I mean, I I would say try to put your content everywhere as much as you can.
	Um, at least when you're in your in your growth phase, and then if you wanted to try to centralize it, you could, but I I would say just diversify, put it as many places that will let you have it.
	Heck yeah, I appreciate you, man.
	You're the you're the goat, dude.
	Appreciate you.
	Hey, I'm glad you came on.
	And you know, he here here's here's the other point that he makes.
	And again, I social media generally speaking, has become a place of the haves and the have nots.
	And again, this is not for the sake of of me with a personal thing, but I'm not allowed to make money on social media.
	I haven't been allowed to make money on social media since 2018.
	So I don't really care.
	Like this is not about me.
	I'm I've been in the have nots since they banned me off everything in 2018.
	Luckily, when Elon Musk took over X, I can at least have a space on X here and uh, you know, uh, you know, make 400 bucks a month.
	Woo-hoo.
	So, you know, that might pay an electric bill under the Biden years.
	But the point is it's already this haves and have nots.
	So I've been in the have nots since 2018.
	I I've been banned from YouTube and Facebook and everywhere else.
	I don't even know what goes on over there.
	I don't even know.
	We were making we when we were on YouTube in 2018 before they banned us, InfoWars was literally number one.
	The Alex Jones show would get minimum 100,000 live viewers a show.
	My warroom, which was less than a year old, started in September 2017, was banned October 2018.
	My war room was getting 30 to 50,000 live every day.
	Every video that we put up of me on the streets would get a million views minimum.
	We were making money.
	I could have made a I could have made a living on YouTube, but I'm in the have nots category.
	I got banned.
	So if the goal for X is to eradicate this haves and have nots, eradicate this self-censorship so that you can exist on YouTube, which so many people do, or to create a competitive space for people to be on X, it's just not there yet.
	And so whether there's anything else going on to that, or they're just not there yet, I don't know.
	But that's certainly the case.
	All right, Dominic, I kick it back to you.
	Let's just keep hitting some hands for now.
	Um, lastly, you want to go ahead, man.
	Yeah, hey, how's everybody going?
	Um, I'm not even monetized.
	Um, so when I went to and confronted um Comey in Seattle, I was at 800 some odd impression, eight hundred thousand impressions a month, and then it went down to 89,000.
	And now when I do live streams, nobody can even see the feed.
	And when they get to the replays, if they're lucky enough to find the feed, uh, it just pauses zero.
	So I mean, I I love hearing these conversations because I'm kind of one of the accounts that helped get Alex Jones reinstated because I heard Tim Poole when you say the haves and the have nots, I heard Tim Pool bitching about he only got six thousand dollars that month, and it drove me mad because Alex was sitting there begging the entire audience, I need money.
	And I was like, Well, wait a second, this is bullshit because he can't even be on X and he could be monetized, and maybe that would help pay for InfoWars.
	So we started, you know, with other accounts to try to get them back on it, it literally kind of worked.
	But now, crickets for Tim.
	But you know, I'm you know, you guys have to figure it out because it shouldn't be, you know, the haves and the have nots, it's just just should just be straight impressions and uh content.
	That's it, you know.
	But it is a click.
	So there's one important thing to point out, and that's that you know, there was always a pretty large discrepancy as far as what certain accounts were being paid.
	But you know, they used to always say that it was about ads actually appearing on your timeline or on your posts.
	So that would mean that you could have a post that has tons of actual impressions, but if it has very few comments, then people used to justify you know the discrepancy and they would use the comments as an example.
	However, the the craziest thing about it is, and again, just we're just to preface this, we're not complaining about it.
	I don't even get a dollar from doing Twitter posts.
	I'm grateful for it.
	I I personally, as a pretty small account, I don't get shit anyways.
	But once they say, okay, we're changing that we're changing the way that we do monetization now, it's simply they kind of were very obscure about it, but they said if we're just changing it to overall engagement, and you know, if you have great posts, you should receive a larger payout.
	And just as Owen is an example, I mean, he literally got 10 times more, and they're just there isn't any real reason for it.
	So let me ask you this because you bring up the ads.
	Do we have any idea what determines whether you're ad friendly or not?
	Like, do we have any clue about that?
	Yeah, yeah.
	I mean, the what the easiest way to do it is well, you know what's funny is they actually just removed ads from people's feeds.
	I believe if you have premium plus, I'm not sure if it's just premium.
	However, the easiest way to check is if you have an unmonetized or a an account that's not premium with no check mark, just simply go on your page and see if you see ads in your in your comments.
	That's how you would know if you're monetized.
	Um at least from my understanding, or at least if an individual post was monetized.
	But that's but that's you're saying that's for non-premium accounts.
	The premium accounts don't see ads.
	They just recently made a change where I believe it's premium plus users do not see ads in the feed, and then normal premium users with a check mark just see significantly less ads.
	Now they're they could have eliminated it for all premium users.
	I'm not sure because they just changed it, but that's that's my current uh understanding.
	All right, why don't we kick it to another speaker here?
	A lot of people with their hands raised, Dominic.
	All right, let's go with trick step.
	Hey, brother, I love the work you guys do.
	Thanks, man.
	What are your thoughts on the whole uh payment discrepancy situation?
	The payment discrepancy situation goes back about 14 years because something that Elon and his attorneys did not address.
	And again, any attorneys in the room, listen to what I'm saying here.
	There were major investments on behalf of Barack Obama back when InQutel made their investments uh on Twitter originally.
	Something that was not addressed when they were looking at the documents.
	Was that any future current events based on those investments, they could not disclose during the purchase of Twitter, now known as X. Something that I would love, uh, and I know you guys follow him.
	If Ian could do a deep dive into this, even you, Owen, when you look at the investments, there's a reason why I think, and in my personal opinion, why Elon is showing such uh disparaging uh issue here within uh his actions here with Trump because he now knows that the background of the in-cutel investments are affecting somewhere within his
	contract that I don't think many ex-users understand.
	And I think it actually has to play into why you guys are not seeing the advancement of the monetary gains as you would have had with YouTube, Google, or any of the other uh Facebook plans.
	Again, this is my opinion, but looking deep diving into this, he has never addressed what Jack Dorsey originally had with the investments of InQutel.
	And I think this is honestly, and I'll publicly say it today.
	I think this is why you guys are not seeing the monetization as to what they thought that Jack Dorsey would allow even a sale of Twitter to X. I think this is a massive, massive uh look at the you guys actually need to see because these are in Intel communities in the backdrop that are not allowing anybody to gain money.
	I I don't really follow you.
	That's a pretty deep analysis of it.
	I don't know if it's quite that.
	I don't know if it really is quite charts, brother.
	Look at the charts.
	Oh, and what were you gonna say?
	I I just don't understand the connection.
	The NQTEL investments when Twitter was first being put up for an IPO, you have to go back about what, 10 years ago, maybe a little bit more.
	When you start looking at what the investments were being put at with that IPO, they could not allow Twitter to be brought off to the right or the left.
	It didn't matter.
	They had to have a control on it.
	What of my concern is is that did Elon's attorneys look at what InQutel put into Twitter before it was X, and that's all I'm simply asking here tonight because this would allow individuals like you guys were claiming,
	and I actually firmly believe that you guys are right, they have people still there today, right now, that are disallowing accounts, and I believe he needs to go back and look at the renegotiations that they were when they're buying Twitter originally, converting it to X. There are people there that are disallowing.
	Well, I don't know if it is people as much as it might be older algorithms, uh, because what I noticed was that my older account that was banned and then X ended up bringing back, which is all I do is Owen.
	That's not the account I'm live on tonight.
	This is a new account that I started.
	That account would was still clearly shadow banned, and it couldn't get any engagement, whereas this new account could grow and could get engagement.
	So there was definitely some leftover stuff, some leftover ghosts in the machine, shadow banning, what have you from the prior ownership of Twitter.
	Um, but as far as the investors and all that's concerned, I mean, I I don't know, you'd have to talk to a lawyer.
	I'm not sure that sticks when a new group of investors comes in.
	I don't think it's that deep myself.
	I think it's more of uh I I think it's just there's a club, and I'm and I'm not in it, I don't really care about being in it, but I think there's a club, and you know, you're either in it or you're not.
	That's what I think is going on.
	And and unless they want to release their formulas for payouts, there's really nothing else I can assume.
	I mean, that's all I can assume.
	Yeah, I want to speculate just for a little bit here.
	I I I have noticed a trend also.
	It's not just the accounts that Elon uh particularly retweets or interacts with or comments on, you know, his typical like a you know, ha or his exclamation points or whatever, but I do seem to to see a correlation between people that and look, this is pure speculation.
	I don't have any proof of this, but if you it seems that people get paid more if they post more about like Tesla or the cryptocurrency community or AI or any of those circles that are adjacent to those fields and the characters and the most popular commentators uh you know associated with them.
	I'm certainly seeing that there's people really that that they're not very popular, they maybe have some small niche following, but they have not a very large you know follower base on here, and they're racking it in, man.
	And they don't if you scroll their page, the impressions are really any sort of data point, they're just not there.
	But they they do post about those fields, and I do think it's it's definitely worth taking note of it.
	Well that that's you have you noticed that 100%.
	That's a publicly observable uh factor.
	If you if you have a brain, which many people evidently don't, but yeah, I see the same thing, dude.
	That's yeah.
	Well, again, all you can do is speculate because we don't know what the formula is, and the same people that are telling us it's this or it's that are the same ones that are making 10 grand a month on X. So, you know, I again all you can do is speculate off of the data that's publicly available.
	What I what but look, you know, I I will say this.
	For accounts that are trying to maybe get a following or get to a place where they can make money or or grow inside of even the social circles, let's say, they don't want to talk about this stuff.
	I mean, I I was never I wasn't gonna talk about this stuff because I'm just focused on the election and and I to be frank, I don't really care about getting paid on X. Um, but there were others that did.
	They don't even want to talk about this.
	They're like too they're afraid that even talking about this is gonna get them demonetized.
	And so they don't, and so they ask me to do it.
	I mean, uh, so someone, a follower of mine, a very elite guy that would like to remain anonymous, but there's actually something called Unicode, which is like um their character fonts that I guess the algorithm can't cannot recognize.
	And so people, like for instance, if you're reporting on a situation like the Trump presidential assassination attempt, or you're some something where you know, some violent act happened, you know, tragically.
	If you even put the words like, you know, that someone, you know, was was killed or whatever it might be, then those posts and get flagged as well.
	So now there's even people that they're not just getting around, you know, using these characters in order to say like racial slurs or or things that are you know inflammatory, but they're just doing it to report actual news because they're so worried about it.
	So what the thing that's so problematic about that is like what happens when some truly critical breaking news that's extremely time sensitive comes about, and people are more worried about copying pasting some fake Unicode characters so they don't get shadow banned or they don't get demonetized because you know their priorities are either not wanting to get you know the post via visibility limited or just not be able to make a living.
	It's just it's bullshit, man.
	It really is.
	Well, that's what people used to have to do with InfoWars, and you know, they'd spell it with like a one and then an N and then an F and then a zero and then a W and an at sign, you know.
	So I mean, yeah, you you kind of see that as well.
	Um a funny, a funny comment here from Texas Rock guy.
	Yeah, he he's figured out how to beat the algorithm.
	He I'm on my way to the polls to beat to I'm on my way to the polls to vote Trump while driving my Tesla and using Starlink and watching a SpaceX launch, and I'm gonna spend my Dogecoin while doing it.
	So uh that's I guess that's your way to uh get around the algorithms there from uh Texas rock guy in the uh Rumble ranch.
	Dominic, you want to kick it to another speaker here?
	Yeah, let's go to Ed.
	How you doing, Ed?
	What's going on, man?
	What's going on?
	You with us, brother.
	All right, well, why you while you're all right, what's going on?
	Coming in through.
	All right, cool.
	Uh what's up, Owen?
	What's up, man?
	How you going?
	Good.
	Um, yeah, man.
	I mean, hopefully you guys can tell from my handle, but I'm not really on here to make money, nor am I obviously big enough on here to make money.
	But um I think we have a bigger problem in regards to what's making money, not who's making money, but what's making money, you know.
	If Elon wants to talk about being on the conservative side, yet promote Schmut, you know, and pay for Schmut for clicks.
	I I just don't think that tracks, you know.
	And so so this is a good point that you bring up, Ed.
	And I'm glad that you phrase it this way because you're kind of phrasing it differently than I did, but I think it's a more consumable way, it's a more palatable way to look at this, and it's not who, it's the what's what you're gonna see is like I said before, it's already happening.
	Women are gonna come in here and they've already learned that they can game the algorithm if they just post selfies, and and we don't need to get into the detail about if some girl likes to show more cleavage than the other, or you know, now chicks will probably just straight up post nudes and adult content.
	Which, but again, here's the problem.
	Either either you try to stop that from happening and you attack that right now to stop that from happening, or if if you're just gonna have an open platform for anybody, then you have an open platform for anybody, and it'll probably get there anyway, but at least everybody can have some, you know, some say.
	But I but I will say this, and I'll give it back to you, Ed.
	YouTube actually does a good job, and there is you can't find adult content on YouTube.
	I mean, they they have a system, they have an algorithm, and it will block adult content from being on YouTube.
	Why X does not do this?
	I do not understand.
	I I just I don't get it.
	Yeah, listen, I mean, we know the communist Chinese TikTok does not allow the promotion of pornography, they promote discipline, they promote honor, science, engineering, loyalty, you know.
	I mean, and all the while they perpetuate the the filth to us.
	If we've got the reins, if we have the steering wheel of X now through Eon, I think he, you know, not to glorify the communists, right?
	But he needs to do something in the same vein, and that is make sure that what we're promoting is clean, what we're promoting is productive, and I think that should be done through the monetization, not to you know, limit people's free speech, obviously, but let them, but don't reward them for it.
	Well, and and I don't know if you're seeing this or not.
	I don't I don't follow any of these accounts.
	I only follow 360 accounts on X, and they're all political.
	They're all political, and then a couple of friends of mine, and that's it.
	And yet every time I open my feed now, it's like the Daily Mail, it's like the New York Post, it's like all these other news sites that just have to put a naked chick in there.
	They're just they have to put a naked chick in your feed, and it's just like I don't get it.
	I don't follow these chicks, I don't want to see this crap, and it always shows up in my feed, and a lot of them are making some nice change, right?
	Right.
	All right, well, that's pretty much most I have for it.
	I hope you have more spaces so I can jump back on.
	I know you don't particularly care for the we'll see.
	Hey, this one's been going all right.
	Once I got through the first little hump there, we've been doing all right.
	Right.
	All right, man.
	Well, I appreciate your time.
	I'm gonna jump off.
	Yeah, and okay, let's uh uh Dominic, if you want to follow up or kick it to the next speaker.
	Yeah, so all right, hold on, let's make sure his mic's off.
	So I know that you don't like to call, and I'm this isn't a call out per se.
	I like these people just fine, I have nothing against them, but uh, you know, I am gonna name some names because they DM'd me and they post their own uh payments and their stuff, so I might as well.
	It's public information, they put it out there for a reason.
	So this Tiffany Fong character, which many people have seen at this point in the app, she's literally posting multiple uh payments of like 10,000 plus.
	The last one was 11,000.
	I left a comments on her posts about her 11,000 Payment and I posted a screenshot with you know one of the accounts that we're associated with that had like a hundred million views for the payment period, and I was like, Hey, you know, all credit to you, I'm very happy for you.
	However, this just doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
	And very unexpectedly, uh, a few hours later, I look at my DMs, and good old Tiffany just so happened to hit me up.
	And she was like, Oh, will you show me your metrics again?
	Like, I just want to make sure they're legit.
	And and so, you know, of course, I was very very cordial.
	I said, Hey, I really appreciate that you reached out.
	Anyways, once I actually sent the impressions and was like, hey, you know, can you just give me any comparison or can you can you just give me any direction whatsoever?
	And again, she dripp messaged me, not the other way around.
	And dude, it's funny because they just go completely silent.
	Probably because maybe at first they think you're either lying or they think you don't have, you know, like cloud or whatever impressions or whatever it might be.
	But as soon as they actually see, like, oh no, uh, the person, whatever account they might be asking about, they definitely do have the impressions, they do have the metrics.
	It is a little bit suspicious and weird how they just go totally silent when they're the ones that reach out to you.
	So the number one person that people point to, Tiffany Fong reached out to me, and once she actually saw I wasn't fucking around, she suspiciously and very quickly had like nothing else to say about it.
	So, you know, I'm sure she's a nice person, no hate, but as far as like the dollars and cents of it, it literally makes no sense.
	Zero.
	Well, and and she's publicly posting this.
	And so, and and again, I I'm I'm for people making money.
	I I don't even care.
	Make make your money, that that's no problem for me.
	Um, and and I and I don't know what's going on, right?
	We can only speculate as to what's going on.
	Why, you know, she's making 12 grand a month, and bigger accounts are making 500 a month.
	I we don't know.
	We can only speculate.
	Um, and and I'm not accusing anybody of anything.
	I'm just saying if there's a deal behind the scenes that says, hey, promote this content or promote that you're making this money through X and promote for people to create their content here.
	Uh and you'll get a bigger payout.
	Well, you should probably disclose that.
	Again, I don't know if that's the case.
	I'm not saying that's the case.
	Uh, but you know, again, you can compare and contrast what people are making and the analytics, and it doesn't add up.
	So there's a mystery element to this.
	All right, Tim B, you've had your hand up for a while.
	I appreciate the patience.
	How are we doing tonight, brother?
	Good.
	Can you hear me?
	Okay.
	Yep.
	Am I coming through?
	Yep, loud and clear.
	Appreciate it.
	Um, so uh Dominic, I sent you some of my screenshots of my analytics.
	Um, I just got monetized.
	I really my account goes back to 2000, I think 12 or around that time frame.
	Um, I really just really wasn't trying to monetize anything, but with the election and everything going on, I was like, well, you know, let me give it a shot with with X uh and Twitter.
	Um, so let's say here, May, um I got a random rando 10 million, just a photo of myself, actually, black and white.
	Uh I was like, wow, next next day, first day it was six, and then it went up uh a little bit more.
	Um, that first payout was like uh I think 40, and then uh I got another 10 residual, I think um on the tail end of that.
	Uh then recently in September, I had like uh roughly two million or two and a half to three million um posts, nothing since then.
	That was end of toward the end of September.
	So I'm just curious.
	I mean, and then the other thing is that's all I have a total over the last year of 15 roughly 15 million impressions, really small count, but I mean trying to grow, um, be the reply guy, do things like that so I can grow um and establish myself a little bit more.
	Um why is it my likes?
	I have a lot more likes, but those likes don't count in as engagement, but you actually have to like kind of uh pause to like the item and you view it.
	But yeah, I think what I've heard some people say is if you're scrolling through, you pause that counts as engagement.
	Does anyone have any clarification there?
	And I'll just land.
	Uh, I mean, my understanding for as far as it's to count as like an impression, then it literally has to be like a tenth of a second of someone going across the post.
	They don't have to actually really uh and maybe not a tenth, I think maybe it's a half of a second, but they have to look at it long enough to where it does register, but it's actually very, very small period of time they require.
	So I mean, man, as far as like getting more engagement and how to get more followers and all that, that's a conversation probably for a different day that I would be happy to go into into some ways, at least that I know.
	Again, I'm not some huge account, but you know, I have ran a different account and got you know 60, 70,000 followers in a period of a few months, and I've you know my own, you know, 24 or however many it is now since I started in February, it's pretty good.
	But uh mostly, dude, if you just want to get more impressions, like it sucks, but you should probably copy and paste some of your tweets with a little short caption uh and people's replies as long as they're about a relevant topic.
	Like don't spam them on nothing that's totally unrelated, but you know, if something posts something about someone big posts something about Trump and you have irrelevant facts, go ahead and copy and paste your tweet in there with a little caption, try to be a big, you know, reply.
	And that's kind of how if like you don't have a public persona or people don't really have name recognition or whatnot, that's a good way to do it and and do it a shitload.
	Uh other than that's that's that's a good starting point.
	But I have a little thing, how to get people to 10,000 followers, it's just a little list.
	So I can DM that to you if you want to see it.
	I appreciate it.
	Does my do my stats look kind of in line with what you guys are also seeing though, as far as like I I haven't gotten a chance to see yours, but I can tell you that some of these big accounts we're talking about, they're definitely getting you know, most of them that I see, at least like the Tiffany Fong's and the Ashley St. Clair's the world, they're most certainly over 50 million impressions per the pay period.
	But then on the other hand, and again, the the most frustrating aspect of the whole thing is there's accounts that have literally like 900,000 fewer followers in Ashley's case, and they're still getting 7800.
	So, you know, they have a 30,000 follower account, and that's kind of the thing where when people themselves don't even know how they're getting paid, or they do not have a particularly large number of impressions.
	Uh, let's say like 10 million impressions in comparison to the hundred million that a National St. Clair might have, it just leaves us, you know, to not know, and that's why we're we're having a space like we are tonight.
	You know, and I wonder too, I I wonder too, because this always comes into play, and I know that X has been trying their best to get rid of bots and bot spamming and stuff like that.
	I I wonder, because there's that one video glitch that people use to get hundreds of thousands of views.
	I I don't really I don't know what that is.
	I think they like glitch it so it registers as a view, even if you just scroll over it.
	Um but maybe there's maybe there's different glitches that people have found out how to rig their numbers and get a bigger payout.
	I mean, perhaps that's a case.
	Yeah, I mean, botting on a lot of these platforms has always kind of been an issue, but you know, as things like AI get more advanced, you know, although there's lots of different tools for X to use to try to you know isolate and really discourage bot usage.
	Well, as the smarter the bots are, and the more um able that they're able to actually replicate how a human would use the computer, the lesser it is for you know, the much more difficult it is to actually find them and eliminate them.
	So it's kind of one of those deals where uh yeah, there's a lot of different things that are at play, and I certainly would not be surprised if people are leveraging some of those types of things, which many people don't know.
	You know, you can buy followers and things like that, you know, fairly easily.
	And if you get caught, they'll suspend you, but oftentimes you you don't.
	So that's something that to take note of for sure.
	All right, more hands.
	Yeah, let's just keep going to people that are trying to speak here.
	All right, let's go with Chris.
	How you doing tonight, brother?
	Hey Dominic, how are you?
	I'm doing well, man.
	What's up with the cash situation on X?
	You think there's some shady business, or what's up?
	Yeah, well, hey, I appreciate you guys holding the space, Owen.
	I'm a regular caller on InfoWars with uh you, Alex and Chase.
	Uh I did speak on, I believe it was like October 21st.
	It's pinned on my uh X account.
	Um, I do think there are people inside of you know X who are silencing or suppressing conservative voices.
	I mean, it's pretty simple, right?
	Everyone looks at Elon.
	Uh, yeah, he owns X or you know, he has ownership inside of X, but it's not like he has um, you know, I would say visibility into the day-to-day workings and the operations.
	Um this is a good point.
	And I also think, and I said this earlier, I also think there's still some ghosts in the machines as well.
	And there's certain there's certain, I guess it's like the guy finish you you you spoke over him, just let the guy finish.
	He had a good point.
	Okay, this is my space, so maybe you just won't speak at all.
	Uh I'm interacting with Chris, so that's fine.
	Uh so what I'm saying is you're not interrupting, you're talking.
	Okay, goodbye.
	So anyway, Chris, I think that I think that this is a good point.
	And I think that there's some ghosts left over in the machines, and people are going and searching, and maybe you've looked into this too, but people are like, you know, am I am I getting shadow banned?
	Am I getting search banned?
	And so there's already these AI things that can identify people that are already kind of still getting, you know, censored in real time.
	Yeah, it's interesting that you say that because recently I have I had a message that said my account was flagged uh for some you know unusual activity, or I think it was account well, I think it was uh engagement manipulation, uh, which I certainly haven't been doing any of that.
	And I jokingly spoke with other people if what they meant by engagement manipulation was uh being unemployed, you know, I've been unemployed for 19 minutes.
	Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
	What?
	Yeah.
	So if you I I posted it in the feed, even Owen, uh I I got up to 14, 15 million impressions.
	I it resonated with Tim when he was talking about his growth span, but uh there was quite a few, you know, posts and and things that I got out there content-wise that went viral, which was really good.
	Um, and then you know, very shortly after that, uh, it was like a silo, right?
	Um, you know, kind of, you know, my tweets weren't really being uh heard now.
	I think I get maybe 30 impressions on a tweet.
	Um, but uh I I commented on it before, but I think to your point, Owen, is is the fact is Elon owns Twitter, right?
	It it's like there's that saying, right?
	You could take the kid out of Twitter, but uh, you know, or you could take the kid out of the ghetto, but the ghetto's still in the kid, right?
	So that's the same thing with some of these tech and and some of these uh workers at X, right?
	I still think they're silencing conservative voices, and that's where we're at today.
	I also think if you join some of these other spaces that talk about um, you know, some of the the supremacy and and Israel and stuff like that, that also isn't a good look for your account.
	I think that also flags it.
	So yeah, there's definitely topics that will get you flagged, maybe demonetized, definitely censored.
	You know, I think the other aspect of this too, and and this is a more organic aspect, is that liberals still abuse and use the community notes just like they did censorship, you know.
	They'll they'll get in a rush, they'll ambush a post to get it flagged or censored, and they'll be successful because they still have these little groups that run around engaging in censorship and engaging in um uh, you know, uh flagging and community notes, whereas conservatives just don't do that.
	Like unless something is blatant, then conservatives were rally to the cause.
	But we'd rather just ratio you or you know, reply and not go into the community notes factor.
	So that's kind of an organic thing, I think that happens.
	And um, and it's it's you know, it's a lot of uh it's a lot of pro-Israel accounts too, I think that will will rush to it just like the liberals do um when they see negative news about Israel.
	So I think that that's kind of an organic factor that plays into this.
	Um, but you know, it's kind of one of those things where if you try to have your cake and eat it too, uh no everybody ends up starving.
	Because it's interesting.
	I oh sorry, no, no, go ahead.
	It's interesting.
	I just think uh one thing for sure, uh, even Kamala's earrings are off topic, right?
	You talk about that or you post a comment about that, uh, you'll certainly get flagged for that, right?
	Or you're you're gonna get banned for that.
	So um I wait, really?
	Is that true?
	Yeah, so uh in the Brett Bayer interview, uh I quickly called out her earrings the moment it aired.
	And uh I think I was on Matt Wallace's page, and I probably got I don't know, uh a couple hundred thousand views off of it.
	Um but shortly thereafter, I'm in the like the super spam bucket.
	Like I noticed it off my alt account.
	Well, I I will say this.
	Now that's that's an interesting one.
	I I will say that I I don't think those are the earrings.
	I don't think she's wearing the speaker earrings.
	I don't think honestly, it's such a hard thing to do.
	I've been working in radio for 15 years, and it took me years to learn how to be able to hear multiple things and interact with multiple things.
	Kamala Harris is too dumb.
	There's no way she could do it.
	So I I mean, just for the record, I don't think those are the speaker earrings.
	And I will also say all those videos where they see her like fumbling and they say, Oh, it's proof, it's proof.
	Look, she's fumbling, she's got an earpiece.
	Yeah, she has an earpiece in because she's on the radio, she has an earpiece in because she's on TV.
	Of course she has an earpiece in.
	That's totally normal stuff.
	So uh, however, that doesn't take away from what you're saying.
	And and I know that uh Dominic earlier today shared some FBI crime statistics, and he got flagged for that.
	So again, it's like, how do who's behind the scenes deciding what's getting flagged, what's getting demonetized?
	Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you, but and mind you that the same post, my post that got flagged that the only reason they got flagged is it started picking up like 50,000 impressions every 20 minutes or so, about an hour before they actually flagged it.
	But you know, there's people that took screenshots of my same post and they have it up right now, and it's you know, uh another 500,000 impressions in a few hours.
	So it's just kind of it there's no real uh there's nothing that's unilateral or even about any of this, it's extremely disjointed.
	Uh there's no transparency, like we've said, and yeah, it's like look with any platform, especially one that has the importance of X, as far as you know, the largest public officials are making their official statements on here.
	Uh the most critical news, like if we were actually gonna going to be at World War, there was a nuke headed to America, God forbid.
	The first place that you would hear about is from X. So, you know, if you're going to have all these disjointed policies, it's it's really not tolerable, it's not acceptable.
	And I don't think it's a lot a lot to ask just for some simple transparency, man.
	It's bullshit.
	I'm not happy at all about them doing that to my post because I go out of my way to be very pragmatic, to be academic, to be respectful.
	Sure, like you know, maybe I'll post a spicy little something every every now and again, but I'm going to know factually that it doesn't break terms of service.
	And so if it doesn't break the rules, why are they treating the post as such?
	And some of these same same things also to apply uh apply with the monetization.
	Yeah, Chris, was there anything else before we take another speaker?
	Uh no, man, I appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	All right, Dominic, uh, wherever you want to go next.
	We've had uh Tuesday or however you say that nice name of yours.
	You've been waiting for a while.
	How are you doing tonight?
	Hi, how are you doing, guys?
	Uh, my name is Sidate's a silent T. Um, I just wanted to show give you an example of an account that's still on the shadow ban list that existed under Jack Dorsey.
	I'm still on the legacy shadow ban list.
	I think some people refer to it as such.
	Uh prior and then 2020, 2021, I used to get millions of impressions per month.
	Um, and then in 2022, without any notification, um, I believe it could be the ADL, even though I did not uh say anything uh that could be considered anti-Semitism.
	I was just talking about my history, Ethiopian history and genetics.
	All of a sudden, my impressions dropped 99%.
	When uh, you know, when uh Barry wet Weiss, citing her name when she discussed the Twitter files, and then when uh Elon Musk came uh start on Twitter, I thought things would change.
	It didn't change.
	Um the people that hold that blacklist still control that blacklist on Twitter today.
	I've sent messages to support.
	They don't reply to my messages, they don't address my so I think um, you know, it's very it's very unfortunate.
	I have over 90k followers that chose to follow me because they want to hear from me.
	But every time I tweet, um, less than one percent of my followers even see my tweets.
	Uh when I open a space, nobody shows up to my spaces.
	Um, so this is um, you know, uh there's an apartheid on uh Twitter.
	So I just wanted to share this.
	Thank you guys.
	Okay, and I've got your account pulled up here.
	I don't know if you want to go into detail about I have your tweet from 2021 showing your impression.
	So I don't know if you want to carry on with the details that I pulled up here.
	Uh yeah, yeah.
	But I think well, I I think that you know, my my you've basically already addressed what I brought up earlier, and that's that I think that there's still ghosts in the machine, and I think that some of these old shadow bands and and lists and stuff, uh, there's still there's still little things in the machine there uh inside the cogs and the gears of the system that um that that still exist despite Elon Musk taking it over.
	And I mean, I you know, I I look, I'm not a coder, okay?
	So I don't know the type of fine-toothed comb it would take to you know find and identify all this stuff, but I think it's pretty clear that it's there's something there.
	I don't really think we need I don't think we need much of a fine-toothed comb for this one.
	Let's just be honest.
	Uh you know, if you talk a lot about Israel, and it you you mentioned genetics and uh Ethiopia, I believe you said.
	If you're talking about things that are like race realism or criticism of Israel or criticism of Zionism, no no doubt, and it's not just X, but it's essentially really everywhere.
	Uh that's a surefire way to be in the crosshairs of people that are gonna try to make your financial situation significantly more difficult.
	If you have a sizable voice, you will experience people trying to discredit you or to you know defame you, or really do anything to lessen your reach.
	So unfortunately, if you saw especially an uptick in these sort of sensorial actions against your account, uh be coinciding with like October 7th, or maybe some more, you know, an increased amount of criticism of some of the things you just brought up.
	Uh I certainly could tell you that that probably has something to do with it.
	And also, I see you don't have a check mark, and like it doesn't, I'm not telling you you get a check mark, I don't care.
	But I do know that it seems like a primary metric as far as like the success or the sort of way to defend your account from being buried algorithmically or otherwise.
	If you have many users that are prominent users with large following bases on your account on their accounts and they follow you, that seems to be a layer of protection.
	It also, you know, adds like social credit and other things that you know with with the with 90,000 followers though, I can tell you you assuredly shouldn't be experiencing that.
	And that's messed up.
	So uh something you I appreciate your contribution to the discussion.
	Definitely add a layer to it.
	Just one last point.
	Um this started in 2022, not in October 7th for me.
	And my mistake was I've talked about Israel before since I created my account, but never been shadow banned.
	But the moment I I started learning about genetics, boom.
	I didn't even know I did something wrong.
	Only when I realized, wait, what what new subject did I start tweeting about?
	And then it was genetics.
	Anyways, um yeah, thank you, Dominique.
	You get the point.
	Yeah.
	My per my personal opinion, and you know, not everybody has to follow this lead, but if people are getting significantly shadow banned or censored, more than likely there's probably at the very minimum something very interesting that they're discussing and though they're they're researching.
	So I implore you for sticking to your dedication in the face of actually being, you know, silenced in many ways.
	So, you know, sticking up for what you believe, but what you believe in is probably the most important part of journalism or informational integrity and and all those things that really matter on things like this app.
	Thank you so much for giving me the chance to share my story.
	Bye.
	All right, let's try to get uh a couple more people in here that have been waiting before we sign off for the evening, Dominic.
	So whoever hasn't gone if if they want to chime in now.
	All right, guys.
	So you got about 15 minutes left in the space, so now or never.
	Let's go back to uh to definitely piggyback on um feeling like you'll have like a post pop-off, and then it's like you hit a wall that a ton of people have in that problem.
	Um, and then also uh I don't know that I'm shadow bands, but I hear a lot of people that'll come to me, people who've been following the me for years, who will be like, Yeah, I never see your tweets anymore anywhere in my feed.
	I have to actually search you out, and it's really difficult to do so.
	So I definitely think whatever's going on back there in the code, they haven't fully fixed it yet.
	And there are a lot of people that, you know, not just myself, it's just anecdotal that are being affected by this.
	And then you have to wonder how much it plays into how they're figuring out these creative whatever's like is there something that we were flagged with under the old algal that's making it so we're hot to find, and then we're you know, also flagged under the program somehow.
	I think the the biggest frustration is just the lack of transparency through all of these different steps, and it, you know, it's really hurting people coming here to build, because why would you want to build anything on a platform where you can't even figure out what you're getting paid for?
	Yeah, I agree.
	I do think it's interesting that we haven't had a single person come up and try to try to defend any of the processes that Twitter normally uses or that they currently use, uh, as far as implementing their monetization, you know, rules or whatever they might be called.
	But yeah, I do think it's funny that like the the people that are the largest purveyors of the get Twitter premium, you're gonna get paid so much.
	As soon as they're actually confronted with any facts, they they go cold.
	So we're what are we what are we really supposed to think about this?
	I mean, I don't not really too sure.
	Um I don't know, Owen.
	I mean, what do you do you have anything else that you're thinking about this other than there's no transparency and we're kind of screwed and we're at their mercy.
	It's kind of where we're at.
	Well, again, you know, I I think that when you look at it from an aspect of, okay, I want to start creating content, and you and anybody that does that want to get wants to get to the point where they can, you know, basically make a living doing it, right?
	I mean, that's the goal.
	And as long as you're not doing political stuff on YouTube, you pretty much can do whatever you want, right?
	I mean, you can do a game show, you can do pranks, you can do a podcast, as long as you're not doing controversial political stuff, then you're free to you're free to roam, and pretty much everybody gets the same access and everybody gets the same payouts.
	Uh, and so that's why people go to YouTube.
	And if so, if if X is trying to compete in that regard, then you have to do something similar.
	And you have to create an environment where somebody thinks, okay, I can come on here and make my content.
	And if I if I if I do X, Y, and Z and I get, you know, X, Y, and Z for impressions, views, consistently, whatever, then you know, this is the bottom line.
	This is this is where I can um, you know, basically either make a living or not.
	And so that still isn't the case on X. And maybe they're working on getting there, and there's a lot of other things that they have to work out before they get to that point.
	Um, but I I again to me, and this is the bigger issue, and this is to reiterate this for people that are just joining us and wondering what we're talking about with the X payout discrepancies.
	For me, the bigger issue is you know, X is kind of built for we the people.
	I mean, Elon Musk presents this as an app for the we the people, and it is.
	It is, and and maybe it can be, even if you know, it's a club of have and have nots with the payouts.
	Maybe it still can be, but but I think we're kind of up against this, we're we're really at this crossroads with the X payouts right now, where it's okay, are we motivating quality content?
	Are we are we making sure that quality content is still produced and that quality content is still promoted?
	Or are we starting to flirt with this edge where it's becoming this like amalgamation of the clickbaits of YouTube and the thirst trapping of Instagram and the adult content on OnlyFans, and and now you're hurting in in my eyes, you're hurting the final product, which is more important, the most important news app in the world, the most important source for information in the world, the most important human interaction app in the world.
	And if we start to water that down with an amalgamation of the negatives from YouTube, Instagram, and and OnlyFans, I think you're hurting the bottom line.
	And and that to me is the more important aspect because if if you start getting to this point, and we're already starting to get there, um, where, and you know, I'm not trying to single out women here, but you know, I I can I I can I can post pictures with my shirt off all day long.
	I'm not gonna make you know a million followers, where you know, women are figuring it out, and these aren't political women necessarily, but women are figuring it out.
	Hey, if I walk around in a bikini or hey, if I do this, even some adult content creators, they're making their way onto X. And if they start getting advantage of this payout process, then it's just gonna take over.
	And I just don't understand why X doesn't ban it, to be quite frank.
	I mean, if YouTube can ban it, why can't X?
	It doesn't make any sense to me at all.
	That stuff is not necessary on X. And the more you open this stuff up uh for people to get on here and post like that, you're just gonna water down the content, and then you start getting the clickbait stuff, the false lead stuff, the glitch stuff, and all of a sudden,
	this app that is the most important app on the world for human interaction and news, you've watered it down and you've just basically created another tabloid site where people have to sift through all the garbage to find the good stuff.
	Yeah, I think it's exactly right.
	And I think uh just as a final point I want to make, you know, Elon Musk has talked about X the uh becoming the everything app multiple times.
	And specifically what he's talked about is X becoming a preeminent financial services company, a payment company to where you know um you can send people payments similar to how you do it on Venmo or Cash App.
	He's also talking about X becoming uh you know a primary cell phone provider, a couple you know, a an actual real competitor, something like an iPhone.
	And if you are going to be pursuing those kind of monopolistic uh sort of things that he is, then you have to have transparency, especially if you know people are gonna be using this service uh as something like a bank.
	Well, you know, technically, if you make over $600 from Twitter from X, you are a 1099 contracted employee.
	So like we have to basically demand is that per is that per payout or per year?
	No, uh I believe that's per year from my prior experience as a business owner.
	So the IRS, so the IRS can come after you.
	I mean, yeah, if you well, because what happens is, and this is what happens also on platforms like PayPal and things like that, if you make over $600 over the course of the year, they send you a 1099 K. So, yeah, they absolutely wonder if X is gonna do that.
	I mean, I don't think they have a choice.
	I believe it's required by law if you live in the United States.
	So interesting.
	Um, yeah, but it depends.
	It depends, it depends probably because they might uh they might assume you're gonna fill out a uh uh I think I believe it's a 1099 every quarter, right?
	So what happens is these are generated automatically from the actual payment services, they send it to you at the end of the year for you to add to the taxes that uh the to the rest of your tax paperwork.
	So it the threshold, it's either 600 or it's 2,000 collectively over the course of an entire fiscal year.
	So, but but it is one of those two, and I wasn't prepared to talk about using access to financial service, otherwise I'd have those figures in front of me.
	But the the point is if you're going to uh conduct yourself or or try to have the the reputational respect that a bank would have, then you can't tolerate any of this kind of you know very obtuse uh policy with as far as the payment stuff.
	So it's not it's not about like sticking it to them, it's just about we can't have it because it's it's it's problematic in a lot of ways, man.
	Very, you know, a multitude of ways.
	And look, I mean, just to give X the benefit of the doubt, which is fair in this, they're clearly, you know, still kind of in the growth phase, right?
	I mean, there's no doubt they're still in the growth phase of this.
	Um and I want to take Liam.
	Liam's been holding for a minute here before I sign off.
	So uh we'll take Liam.
	But people keep asking me in the chat, you know, Like I'm trying to hide something, how much I make on X. I think the most I've ever made on X was like 500 bucks.
	And I sent I sent my payment information to Dominic for his analysis because he's received a lot of different payment information and a lot of analytic information so he can try to make sense of it.
	And that's why he's co-hosting this space with me.
	And he's, you know, made it clear he can't make sense of it.
	Um so I think my top payout ever on X was like 500 bucks.
	And in by five months by far my highest um payout period ever, which was like, you know, a thousand percent higher impressions than the highest pay period, I got less money.
	So um, but but you know, to those asking like I'm hiding something, I I think I average like 400 bucks, maybe on X. So I'm not making money on X. I'm not crying about not making money on X. Again, and I'll just say this before we go to Liam.
	I was asked to do this, and you know, people respect my voice as a truth teller and a fair neutral opinion on controversial subjects.
	And so I was asked to do this.
	And, you know, I I would just say this to the accounts that uh to the individuals that might be afraid to talk about this stuff because they might think it might hurt them or might get them censored or demonetized or whatever.
	I mean, you're gonna have to raise your voice.
	Uh you're gonna have to be the ones that that that cover this issue because quite frankly, I'm probably never gonna do it again.
	I I'm not trying to make money on X. I'm more concerned about preserving the integrity of the platform than ever making money on here.
	So if you're somebody that wants to make a living on here or wants to make money on here, and and you're creating content with those hopes, you know, you're gonna have to be the ones that figure this out.
	And you're gonna have to speak your minds, and maybe you're gonna have to fill your own social circles and just say, all right, well, let's try something else for a month.
	Everybody in this social circle will like and repost everybody else's stuff and let's see if that benefits us.
	That might be what's already going on.
	Um, but this is a fight that people are gonna have to take up if they want to have say and where X goes in the future.
	Because I will say, if nothing else, you know, X probably uh compared to other social media apps has the best like user input that that is out there.
	And so we can sit here and say the negatives, but there's positives that come with this platform too.
	And if there's a mass of people trying to make a change or make something, you know, an awareness to the people that run it, this is this is the only platform where you can do that.
	So I would take advantage of that now uh while they're still growing here.
	So hey, let's go to Liam real quick before I sign off.
	He's been waiting and uh hasn't gotten on here.
	Yes, thank you very much, Owen, and thank you, Dominic, both of you for hosting this space and allowing us to discuss this subject to out to some length.
	You know, I think it's worthwhile considering one last idea is that it's not just the ghosts within the machine, but it's also the ghost within the infrastructure and the system that we all currently live under and vote for every four years or every election, whatever's coming up.
	But the part that's the ghost within that structure is that they have an agency, as you may know, that stops certain content creators from being able to grow or reach an audience.
	So it's not simply just the whims of the people working under X at this time, or even some of the algorithms that they've have left over, but it's also maybe the AIs that they they're utilizing to make their job a little easier, and maybe they're playing, you know, they're being a little more than safe in who they're allowing to really not only reach an audience but generate revenue, which you know they would honestly be responsible for.
	And to tie that into this concept is that when looking up on X's hiring website out of curiosity, because I've spoken with a lot of different employees throughout their group.
	Um, one of the one of the first questions you'll find is what is your level of security clearance and your what is your background as in regards to have you work for government, any other government entities.
	And so I think they like to hire within their own ranks.
	Now, I'm not calling X precisely that, but it would make for a beautiful foundation.
	You know, Elon Musk recently touted that he we he would much prefer something different than a representational government, something uh a body we elect to make decisions for us.
	He would rather we be able to vote for each individual individual decision as they affect us.
	And perhaps X would be a great system when introduced with biometric systems as well to allow us to have that opportunity To vote on each and every bill or each and every act before it's enacted.
	But right now, you know, it's it's a wonderful social media platform, and it's a lot of other things, but those previously mentioned ideas about you know a government agency that is does exist that's established to keep us from being able to grow.
	I particularly for one understand why they wouldn't want me growing.
	I already have earned a reputation.
	I had I've had to spam the system a little bit just so I can make sure that that reputation I've erroneously earned for myself in the past.
	I could kind of make rights on, but we're in a different time period now.
	And going forth, you know, we we are all using this to hopefully as an instrument, you know.
	But any tool is a weapon if you hold it right.
	But again, Owen, thank you.
	There's just a couple things that we think about their hiring page, and you know, if it walks like a duck and it talks like a duck, maybe it's a rabbit.
	You guys have a very good evening.
	All right, thanks you.
	Uh, thank you for joining.
	All right.
	Uh, we're about to close this space, and then I'm gonna sign off of the live video on uh uh last thought.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	It's it's important.
	All right, so screw the money.
	One of the most important reasons why we need absolute uh transparent rules and metrics as far as monetization goes, is so that you can recognize people that are just flat out engagement farming, and you can differentiate real authentic information from someone that's kind of looking for clicks.
	Because the more that you know exactly what you're rewarded for, the more you can see when people are just sort of like shamelessly selling out, or if it's just you know a breaking news story that deserves to have that many impressions, or uh, you know, uh a cutting-edge political thought or you know, way of you know, ideology or something that you are just learning about that people find fascinating.
	So it's it's spreading and you know it it deserves it, and it's spreading because it has merit.
	So I just think that you know, the clarification on the rules of monetization will also help to you know further clarify, you know, people that are maybe abusing the platform, and it'll help you differentiate better information, or just get rid of monetization and just leave it as is, and that'll maybe get rid of all of it.
	But uh, you know, this is why we're having the conversation.
	All right, I'm gonna sign off the spaces, uh, and then I'm gonna close the video on Rumble and X as well.
	But we'll close out the spaces, and um, you know, again, if if people have an issue with this, you're gonna have to address it yourself.
	You're gonna have to make a fuss yourself, and uh it's not uh because this isn't gonna be my issue, all right.
	This is probably gonna be the only time I talk about this or cover this.
	Uh people asked me to do this, and so uh I did it, but people are afraid to talk about it because they're afraid they're gonna be demonetized, and they're afraid to talk about it because of other stigmas that that might come along with it on this app.
	Um, but for me, it's a matter of maintaining the integrity of the app and and and having kind of a universal conversation about what what that looks like and what that means as this app continues to grow and be the most important app in the world.
	So uh signing off the spaces right now.
	All right, spaces is now done.
	And uh next we're gonna sign off the video.
	So uh glad everybody took place in that.
	All right, uh, what do we got going on here anyway?
	Looks like the Dodgers are gonna go up 3-0 in the World Series.
	Looks like the Steelers are gonna beat the Giants on Monday night football.
	Now, let me tell you guys, tomorrow on the InfoWars War Room, we're gonna have an update on what's going on in Nevada.
	And I'm telling you right now, my InfoWars War Room broadcast today was one of the most important ones I've done ever, specifically in this election cycle.
	And we're gonna follow up on the news in Nevada specifically.
	But now, in fact, I'll just do this right now to give you an idea.
	Because unfortunately, you know, most people just ride the highs.
	Most people just ride the highs, especially when you're popular.
	Now, what do I mean by that?
	A lot of these people in the MAGA movement have uh have a lot of newfound popularity and they're writing it out, and they don't want to be realistic.
	They'd rather be positive because it gets them more views and makes them more popular.
	or they just haven't really been around in politics long enough to understand how things really work But I'm gonna, but I'm I'm telling it like it is and even though, yeah, in a fair election, Trump would be winning in a landslide, he'd get a minimum of 300 electoral votes,
	probably 34.
	But we don't have fair elections.
	So this is where it stands right now, and I'm gonna explain why.
	Now, if we had fair elections, Donald Trump would win Nevada, Arizona, Georgia, Virginia, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin, New Hampshire, and probably New Jersey, who knows, maybe even New York.
	But we don't.
	Now, New Hampshire is now up for grabs.
	Virginia would be Donald Trump's, but now they're trying to restore the voter rolls.
	But I'll tell you what, I think Youncan is going to protect the vote, and I think Trump wins Virginia.
	Georgia is a red state, but now with all the voting that's happening in Fulton County, Atlanta, Georgia, and with the new rules, no audits, no mailbox, uh, ballot box, surveillance, no voter signature verification, no audit, no hand count, no recount.
	Georgia's now up for grabs.
	Same thing going on in Arizona.
	Now the big news is in Nevada.
	Now the big news is in Nevada.
	Now, Trump could lose New Hampshire.
	New Hampshire is probably gonna be inconsequential.
	The Republicans had the legal victories in Nevada, but now with a week till the election, the Democrats have all the legal victories.
	And so they're making sure that all the non-eligible voters can vote.
	They're making sure all the illegals can vote, and Trump was winning Nevada bigly with the early voting returns and the mail-in ballot returns.
	Well, that all changes after the Supreme Court today changed the laws, and Nevada is back in play for the Democrats, ladies and gentlemen.
	So this is where the election is currently at in my mind.
	I believe not the Democrats had the legal victories in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin.
	They'll win those states.
	Not at the ballot box, they won it in the courts.
	And now the same thing is happening in Georgia, Arizona, and Nevada with a week till the election.
	That's what's really going on.
	Now I cover this all day on the InfoWars War Room, 3 to 6 p.m.
	And I'm gonna have more breaking news on this tomorrow with big guests, top pollsters, and one of the top political pundits in Nevada.
	So I would tune in to the InfoWars Warroom tomorrow, 3 to 6 p.m. at Owensreuer.show, and uh we'll give you the latest on that.
	Because that's where it's at, ladies and gentlemen.
	And I get it.
	Trump is dominating.
	Trump has more support than ever.
	He's dominating in all the polls.
	He's doing better than all the polls than he's ever done.
	He's got the biggest rallies of all time.
	He's got the most momentum, the most hype.
	That's fine and good.
	That's not how this election is gonna be win or lost, folks.
	It's gonna be win or lost at the courts, and the Democrats are winning in the courts in the key swing states.
	More on that tomorrow in the InfoWars Warroom.
	I sign off tonight.
	God speed and God bless.
	Enjoy some new Zed Tangerine rays to put you to sleep.

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