War Room - Harrison Smith - BREAKING: US Senate Candidate Royce White Calls For Christians To Unite Against The Feminization and Emasculation Of Men After Chicago Bulls Waive Jaden Ivey From Team For Criticizing The NBA's Celebration Of LGBT Pride Aired: 2026-04-01 Duration: 50:42 === Friction and Collision (04:28) === [00:00:00] The Bulls NBA team has waived Jaden Ivey after anti religion LGBTQ rants, is how the New York Post puts it, or as a post millennial pro sports player stand up for Jaden Ivey as he's canceled by Chicago Bulls over Christian beliefs. [00:00:13] I think that's a more accurate headline. [00:00:16] It does feel a little bit different this time, though, doesn't it, Royce? [00:00:19] I mean, we've seen this not the first time somebody's been canceled for something like this, but he hasn't apologized. [00:00:23] It seems like the outrage I'm seeing is a lot more. [00:00:26] And there are a lot of pro athletes, even if they're not coming out blatantly and saying it, they're making social media posts just saying, hey, Jesus is king, you know. [00:00:34] And just sort of signaling, hey, I stand with Jaden. [00:00:37] Does this feel different to you? [00:00:38] Does this signal a shift in the wider consciousness? [00:00:44] I think so. [00:00:45] And I think overall, your athletes are good. [00:00:47] Look, a part of this communist color revolution that's not really talked about so much right now is the attempt to take some of the youngest, strongest men in our society, which some of these professional athletes are some of the most incredible human beings to ever. [00:01:06] I mean, in the history of human civilization, some of the things they can do physically and movement wise is next to supernatural. [00:01:14] And there is a sort of cultural effect and intent to take the strongest young men amongst us and neuter them, emasculate them, you know, and turn them into eunuchs, put them in dresses, and normalize this effeminate, which then becomes homosexual or, in the worst case scenario, transgender mentality. [00:01:40] And so I think naturally, as we track along here, people got to remember these things happen over long courses of time, or sometimes over a longer course of time. [00:01:51] As we track along here, the American professional sports culture, the excellence, the mastery of skill, the hard work and discipline it takes to become a high level professional athlete is so diametrically opposed to everybody's equal egalitarianism of the far left. [00:02:13] There's naturally going to be a friction and a collision at some point. [00:02:17] I just think that this Jay Nivey story and the Christian piece of it is the fuel, is fueling something that's a powder keg already. [00:02:30] Because you can't take men who believe in merit just naturally from their career or their passion, the thing that they're good at, you can't take those men and tell them everybody should be equal. [00:02:44] And then tell them, well, you're not equal if you believe in Christ. [00:02:46] It's like, what kind of racket is that? [00:02:49] Right. [00:02:50] You know, so I think naturally this thing is going to unravel. [00:03:05] And with that, I'm very, very happy to welcome my guest, Royce White. [00:03:09] He is a native of Minnesota's Twin Cities, born and raised in St. Paul's historic Rondo community, a standout basketball talent. [00:03:15] He was named Minnesota Mr. Basketball in high school. [00:03:18] Starred in Iowa State University, leading the Big 12 in nearly every major statistical category, and was selected 16th overall by the Houston Rockets in the 2012 NBA draft. [00:03:28] His professional career extended to championship winning seasons in Canada, where he earned MVP honors and set records, as well as stints in the Big Three on Three League, where he currently serves as co captain. [00:03:39] And of course, it goes on and on. [00:03:41] And typically, you know, we would tout your political acumen and all this stuff, but actually, the ballgames are important now with what's going on in America. [00:03:50] You can follow Royce White. [00:03:51] By visiting his website, RoyceWhite.us, or by following him on X at highway underscore 30, highway underscore 30. [00:03:59] Royce, thanks so much for joining us today. [00:04:02] Good afternoon, brother. [00:04:03] Good to be here with you. [00:04:05] I'm glad you're here. [00:04:05] And I feel like you're the perfect person for the big story that broke yesterday about Chicago Bulls player Jaden Ivey being essentially booted from the team for expressing just the most moderate disagreement with the LGBTQ pride agenda. [00:04:21] As somebody with experience in the NBA, what's your take on this? === Freedom of Speech Crisis (10:41) === [00:04:28] What do you think of the reaction that he was actually kicked from the team for what he said? [00:04:35] We're living through a color revolution. [00:04:37] That was my initial reaction. [00:04:38] Color revolution is here. [00:04:40] It's on. [00:04:40] It's happening. [00:04:42] And my thoughts are always now centered around the global. [00:04:47] And in my campaign and running for U.S. Senate, and even when I ran for Congress, one of the things I said often on the trail was that the global affects the local. [00:04:56] And I'm constantly thinking about the geopolitics because how could you not? [00:04:59] I mean, we're on the brink of a world war, right? [00:05:01] As you said. [00:05:03] And it just, Dawns on me that in the vein of what Alex said yesterday on social media and many others in the America First movement who are opposed to the war, it shocks me that many of our detractors or critics out there, [00:05:19] like the Mark Levins, don't see the crisis of attacks against Christians here at home just as, if not more dangerous and insidious, than whatever dangers there are a world away in the Middle East or anywhere else on the planet. [00:05:34] That was my initial thought, is like these are the Christian. [00:05:37] This is the crisis against Christianity and of our country that we should be focused on. [00:05:41] When we say America first, this is exactly what we're talking about. [00:05:45] And how could we let this stand? [00:05:46] Even from a legal and jurisprudential standpoint, they're going to make a thousand excuses and say, oh, well, a private company has the right to fire who they want and terminate who they want, just like the social media platforms have a right to censor who they want. [00:06:00] At some point, our monopoly antitrust laws, at some point, there have to be Christian discrimination lawsuits that. [00:06:07] That protects Christians. [00:06:08] Christians are not covered under the law in this country, and that's become extremely obvious. [00:06:13] Yeah, and it is extremely ridiculous because of the inequity of the way that religions are talked about. [00:06:22] I mean, nobody would kick a Muslim off a team for opposing LGBT, they'd be celebrated and uplifted. [00:06:29] I mean, the inequity is really glaring when it comes to Christianity, and it's making some people hypocrites. [00:06:36] I saw this, and I think this goes to exactly what you're talking about. [00:06:38] Dana Lesh, Dana Lesh. [00:06:41] You know, the lady says the Bulls are punishing a player for being a Christian. [00:06:45] This is religious discrimination. [00:06:46] Now, she's right. [00:06:47] I don't disagree with her. [00:06:48] But then somebody else pointed out you were just supporting this two weeks ago when it was Kree Pre-Jean Bowler, who, of course, was kicked off of the White House religious tolerance board for promoting her Christian beliefs. [00:07:01] So, I mean, this is a really big issue. [00:07:03] And, you know, Jaden Ivey sort of brings it to the fore in popular culture. [00:07:07] But, I mean, anti-Christian discrimination is really heating up rapidly. [00:07:11] Can you talk a little more about that? [00:07:13] Yeah, no doubt. [00:07:14] And I think the Jay Nivey story is sort of on three fronts. [00:07:18] The first front is obviously if the left, the contradiction, if he had come out as gay and he had been let go or released from the team because he was homosexual, the entire left would have cried discrimination, obviously. [00:07:38] I mean, that kind of goes without saying. [00:07:40] And they would have demanded legal reparation. [00:07:43] For it, by the way, for the anti LGBTQ hatred, bigotry from the NBA. [00:07:51] So the double standard is pretty clear. [00:07:54] And I think, you know, maybe even more importantly, but certainly just as important. [00:07:59] Is this color revolution, this stuff from a legal standpoint has reached a level of national security threat. [00:08:07] And I do think it's that serious. [00:08:09] I mean, people will look at it and say, ah, well, it's just another NBA player. [00:08:13] He can't just be saying whatever he wants. [00:08:15] No freedom of speech without consequence. [00:08:17] Well, actually, I think we need to, and as you were alluding to in the previous segment, we need to start to evaluate how to properly interpret freedom of speech in the workplace and when it comes to corporations. [00:08:32] And if we don't do that, then we don't have freedom of speech, actually. [00:08:36] It's just a fictitious idea, much like the rule of law when you have corrupt Supreme Court justices. [00:08:41] But, you know, even when it comes to freedom of speech, it's like, yes, sure, a company has a right to its own freedom of speech in a way. [00:08:49] Every corporate entity has a right to express itself how it wants to and fire and hire who it wants. [00:08:54] But in principle, it should be trying to, at least on face value, uphold a fair amount of freedom. [00:09:03] Equity, as you would say, as you would put it, when it comes to the value of freedom of speech. [00:09:09] And it's like, they're not even pretending that freedom of speech is a value that they hold in any regard. [00:09:17] And it's become widespread on the left across the entire corporatocracy. [00:09:22] It's like, you know, the freedom of speech piece just comes and goes, it blows with the wind. [00:09:28] And we can't have it that way. [00:09:31] And ultimately, if Christians keep getting crushed like this under the weight of this corrupt color revolution, My God, I mean, there won't be a place for us to, you know, celebrate Holy Week here in the near future. [00:09:44] So, what do we do? [00:09:45] What do we do about it? [00:09:46] I mean, are we just not standing up for ourselves enough? [00:09:49] We, you know, the crew just pulled up a headline, and of course, they're going to say, MAGA cries about Christian discrimination. [00:09:55] But there's this, again, you know, inequity. [00:09:57] I feel like we need even a better word. [00:09:59] So, I always say, like, it's not as if, well, a Christian person says something and a Jewish person said the same thing, and only the Christian's getting, you know, punished. [00:10:06] It's like, okay, a Christian basically said, I think LGBT is kind of unrighteous. [00:10:11] That's it. [00:10:11] That's what he said. [00:10:12] That was the big crime. [00:10:13] He gets fired from his job. [00:10:14] Meanwhile, you know, well, hell. [00:10:17] I mean, especially when you look at the corporate thing with the NBA, Miles Bridges was a guy who was arrested and criminally charged with multiple felony counts of domestic violence and child abuse after an alleged assault on the mother of his children. [00:10:27] He only got a 30 game suspension and remained with the team. [00:10:30] Meanwhile, you say that Pride Month is maybe not the most righteous thing in the world and you get cut. [00:10:35] So there's just an inequality and a total unbalance of. [00:10:41] Of the way this is being treated. [00:10:43] Can we go to this for sure? [00:10:44] I mean, the NBA trying to act like they're the moral arbiter of anything based on this kid's comments is completely dishonest and reprehensible. [00:10:53] But can we take it down to this level? [00:10:56] I don't want to give any merit to the allegations against Miles Bridges because we know how prominent the Me Too feminism is as well, right? [00:11:04] And on face value, at least, you say this thing happened in the public, so it has a sort of ramification, a ripple effect. [00:11:11] You're not treating it fairly. [00:11:12] Okay, cool. [00:11:13] But. [00:11:13] The Miles Bridges thing, I know plenty of women who get in a fight with their boyfriend or child's father or husband and say, Oh, he beat me up. [00:11:20] He's hurting the kid. [00:11:21] And we got to put a stop to that, too. [00:11:22] That's also part of the legal crisis in our country. [00:11:25] But, you know, it's. [00:11:29] Let's take it down to this level. [00:11:30] And I was saying this earlier on my daily call-in show. [00:11:34] And now we're doing it in the morning at 7 a.m. [00:11:36] I got to get you to come in at 7 a.m. if you're ever up that early and be a guest. [00:11:40] But I stay up that late, maybe. [00:11:43] No, I'd love to have you do a. [00:11:45] We'll have you do a 24 hour hold through to the show. [00:11:49] I'd wake up early for you. [00:11:50] That'd be fun. [00:11:51] You know, even communism, right? [00:11:55] And I was saying earlier this morning that we have to start the attack on us through language is. [00:12:01] Profound and significant, and even communism. [00:12:04] And today I use the term Fox News communist, and I'm sure that would blow a lot of conservative folks' minds, not the people who watch this show, but just, you know, in general. [00:12:13] And the reason why I say is like, we have to start to really hone in on some of these definitions that we just casually have used over the years. [00:12:22] And I think that's true of freedom of speech. [00:12:24] But I'll give you an example, and it's not unrelated to the NBA because they have a significant Jewish lobby influence. [00:12:30] I mean, Adam Silver's father was the founder of Prokeshire in. [00:12:35] New York City, which was the sine qua non of the legal Jewish fear of influence in New York City and maybe the entire modern world. [00:12:44] I mean, Prokeshire was the law firm that the Jewish folks went to because the WASP law firms didn't accept Jews back then, which is just a matter of historical fact. [00:12:54] So it's not by accident Adam Silver's father is the commissioner of the NBA, and they're all lawyers. [00:13:00] And the things that they push in terms of the policies and even the way that they treat some of these players is all intended to be a part of the control of the narrative. [00:13:11] Communism, for example, okay, and we're in a war. [00:13:15] And it's like if you believe in the socialization of risk on money that you print that doesn't really exist on the backs of future working class sons, daughters, grandsons, granddaughters, and then you try and paper the whole thing over by placing the interest and burden back on those same people, and then you have a global dollar empire that's based on your currency. [00:13:41] You know, the strength and value of your currency or the faith in your currency, you're a communist. [00:13:47] Like, if you print money, if you print money that you don't have and then you send it to a military industrial complex for a war a world away and you socialize the risk on the working class, you're a communist. [00:14:00] And we just have to get razor sharp about how we define these issues. [00:14:04] Because right now, I'm saying anybody who's supporting this war in Iran, in theory and in principle, is a communist. [00:14:10] Now, I'm not saying there's not a certain level of socialism throughout our entire world. [00:14:16] Country and throughout our entire society, American society or culture, because there is a certain amount of socialism we accept. [00:14:22] But if you tune into Fox News, they'll go, Governor Tim Waltz, he's unfit to be the governor of Minnesota or any state or certainly vice president because he said socialism, one man's socialism is another man's neighborliness. [00:14:34] And I would certainly agree that there's only a degree of separation, if that, between socialism and communism. [00:14:41] And so from the halls of the Capitol here in St. Paul, To the locker rooms of the NBA, to the front line of the war there in Iran, all the way to the CCP in Beijing, we are under a communist color revolution. [00:14:58] And it's quite clear, actually, once you kind of just step back from it and let it be what it is, it's very clear. [00:15:06] And it's sort of like, I mean, they still privatize the gains, though, don't they? === Pressure in the Locker Room (05:12) === [00:15:09] They socialize the losses in private. [00:15:11] So we're really getting the worst of everything. [00:15:13] It's the worst parts of capitalism, worst parts of communism. [00:15:17] It's a smorgasbord. [00:15:18] We pick and choose only the worst parts. [00:15:19] But no, you're exactly right. [00:15:21] And I want to drill down on a couple things you mentioned, which is the pressure that comes to bear on these players, because this seems to be a little bit different than normal. [00:15:29] And I wonder if this is a sign of really a significant change in the culture. [00:15:34] Because typically, what would happen, we've seen this before, an athlete would come out, they'd say something, I don't want to do Pride night. [00:15:39] And then it was like they were taken into a back room. [00:15:41] God only knows what machine was hooked up to them. [00:15:43] But the next day, they'd come out going, I'm so sorry. [00:15:46] I just, I. [00:15:47] I let my team down. [00:15:48] I let my family down. [00:15:49] I just want to apologize. [00:15:51] It's like, what did they do to you? [00:15:52] You had a firmly held religious belief yesterday. [00:15:56] You're denouncing it today. [00:15:57] What do they do to people in between these two announcements? [00:16:01] I could tell you exactly. [00:16:02] I could tell you exactly what they do because it happened to me. [00:16:05] They threaten you. [00:16:07] That's what they do. [00:16:08] See, people, and this is this, I probably should have led with this. [00:16:11] I'm caught up in the geopolitics, I'm running for US Senate. [00:16:14] But as far as a personal anecdote about the NBA and how it works, people forget that I fought for mental health policy, not the woke transgender mental health policy. [00:16:24] I mean, legitimate, like, hey, people are struggling with alcohol abuse and drug addiction and anxiety and depression and PTSD from growing up on the south side of Chicago under Marxist Democrats, makes it feel like you lived through Fallujah. [00:16:38] Right? [00:16:39] It's about a degree of difference between Fallujah, Iraq, and the 90s or 2000s in the south side of Chicago. [00:16:45] But, you know, I fought the NBA on mental health policy then, and they're so brazen and arrogant. [00:16:53] They actually had the audacity to tell me, young man, you're right about the mental health crisis. [00:16:57] You're right about the lack of policy, but who are you to force us to do it? [00:17:02] You don't have any money yet. [00:17:03] You don't have a lot of notoriety or fame. [00:17:06] And we are the gatekeepers to the very things you would need to push this cause forward. [00:17:12] So, you can either shut up and wait until you're a little more famous and rich to be a trailblazer, a pioneer about this specific social issue, which has exploded now nationwide and worldwide. [00:17:24] There's a full blown mental health crisis. [00:17:26] I would say it's more in pathomania and mass formation psychosis. [00:17:30] But, you know, all in all, it's a mental health crisis. [00:17:33] And they told me straight up and down you can shut up and play along, and then we'll help you do everything you want to do. [00:17:42] Oh, sure. [00:17:42] Or. [00:17:43] Or you can keep talking and you'll be a joke in the ash bin of history. [00:17:48] And I actually told David Stern in a conversation that the both of us had that he was going to die before I did and that God will not be mocked. [00:17:57] And at the end of the day, they could keep their money, they can have their money, they can have their superficial fame and status. [00:18:04] But here I am anyway, and I'm going to continue to fight. [00:18:08] A lot of these players don't have that same courage. [00:18:12] They feel that their identity, when you grow up as a basketball player from five years old, that's all you've ever done. [00:18:18] Especially with any rigorous discipline, your entire identity is wrapped up in the sport. [00:18:23] And so you finally make it to the pinnacle, your dream comes true, and you have these people who you've never met pull you into a back room, a black room, no pun intended, pull you into a back room and threaten to take your dream away from you. [00:18:36] Of course, a lot of people are going to fold under that pressure. [00:18:40] And it's social pressure too, isn't it? [00:18:42] That's what I always assume because I try to picture how these conversations go. [00:18:45] And I always imagine the hey, look, we understand you have a really, you know, you feel strongly about this. [00:18:50] We respect that. [00:18:51] But Do you really want to make the rest of the team suffer? [00:18:54] You know, you're going to really cost these guys a championship if you keep going like this. [00:18:57] Is that really what you want to? [00:18:59] I mean, how much is that sort of pressure used? [00:19:01] Or is it more just blunt? [00:19:02] I mean, the way you're saying it sounds like they're just straight up like, we will destroy you, so shut up. [00:19:06] I mean, the loose camaraderie that comes through in the promotion of basketball is just that it's very loose behind the scenes. [00:19:18] I mean, they may try and run that gamut on you like, hey, you're going to mess up the chemistry if you. [00:19:23] But you got to remember, Michael Jordan, the greatest player of all time, took his own private plane away from the other players because, hell, he was Michael Jordan. [00:19:29] And in many ways, he had earned that right. [00:19:32] And I'm not against that. [00:19:33] I mean, from a meritocratic standpoint, if Michael Jordan wanted to take two unicorns to the basketball game, fair play to him, right? [00:19:40] Because he earned that. [00:19:42] He's the greatest of all time. [00:19:43] But, you know, that's probably not as much as your agent would come to you, you know, maybe your financial advisor, maybe, you know, somebody from one of the shoe companies from the endorsement side of things, maybe your. [00:19:56] Publicist, right? [00:19:57] And they have these backdoor channels to the league or the commissioner or, you know, the team administration. [00:20:05] And there's a conversation that happens behind your back about the betterment of your career and your financial stability and your mother and father. [00:20:15] They get them on the phone or on the plane to come in and say, hey, don't forget, we got to keep paying for your little brother's private school. === Christian Nation Vision (11:49) === [00:20:22] Right. [00:20:22] Right. [00:20:22] So they use the social pressure in that way. [00:20:25] And then when all else fails, they'll just wage a full blown media propaganda campaign against you, like they're doing to this young man right now. [00:20:32] There's actually a thread of social media that would suggest. [00:20:37] This kid isn't good enough to have an opinion that's controversial, which is blatantly immoral, right? [00:20:45] Just in principle. [00:20:46] I mean, who cares how many points he's scoring? [00:20:48] Why should that even impact what he's saying, if he has a right to, and if it's true? [00:20:53] And then, obviously, that he's bigoted, right? [00:20:56] That he's hateful for even saying there's an unrighteousness to this propaganda, which is them doubling down on the communist color revolution, that there are no sexual ethics or morals anymore, unless. [00:21:10] Your name is President Trump or anybody else who wants to run for office, then any woman you ever slept with or even looked at becomes a cudgel that's going to be used against you. [00:21:19] Yeah, that's very true. [00:21:20] And of course, you know, this goes back. [00:21:21] There was a decision yesterday about conversion therapy. [00:21:25] My argument always was like, you can either ban both or ban neither. [00:21:28] But obviously, there's an ideological monopolization that's going on where they're saying you have to promote pride, which is a moral framework that is different and contrary to Christianity. [00:21:38] They're saying you cannot promote Christianity, you have to promote pride. [00:21:41] I mean, if that's not a violation of. [00:21:43] The fundamental purpose of the First Amendment and freedom of religion, I don't know what is. [00:21:49] I'm not sure how we've gotten to this place, but we certainly need to do something fast to get out of it. [00:21:55] And again, like I said earlier, I think the war is a world away. [00:21:59] There are two competing theories. [00:22:01] And one, you could say, hey, President Trump just wanted to remind the Muslims that we will do violence because there is a doormat Christianity that pervades all of Western society. [00:22:14] True. [00:22:15] And that's part of what we're talking about here this doormat Christianity has been crushed under the Supreme Court or the courts down the trough here in this country. [00:22:25] It's been crushed by the corporatocracy. [00:22:27] Christianity is getting crushed at every angle. [00:22:29] So at least the president had the military to send a gut punch, a reminder to the Muslims hey, we will do violence. [00:22:35] We're not just going to sit back and watch this. [00:22:37] So there's that theory of the case. [00:22:39] And then there's a theory of the case that even if you accept that that is true and maybe necessary, The real crisis of an intifada, of a communist color revolution, of the traitors in the courts or in the Senate or in the House, it's right here at home. [00:22:57] I mean, the front line, the front wave, first wave of that war is right here in the belly of the beast, Minneapolis, Minnesota, where Ilhan Omar seems all but can't be defeated in her district. [00:23:13] I mean, that tells you where the fight really is. [00:23:15] It's not in Tehran. [00:23:18] Or anywhere in the Middle East. [00:23:20] Yeah, absolutely. [00:23:21] I could not agree with you more. [00:23:22] Can you stay with us for the whole hour? [00:23:23] I wasn't sure if you could keep us. [00:23:25] Sure. [00:23:26] You can? [00:23:26] Okay. [00:23:27] Thank you very much. [00:23:27] All right. [00:23:28] Because I don't want to end right now. [00:23:29] There's so much more to get into because this really does sort of touches everything that we're talking about today. [00:23:34] It does have to do with the Iran war and the effects that it's having here and the effects of Israel and trying to push anti Semitism bills. [00:23:41] I mean, we are very rapidly, literally losing the First Amendment because we're not fighting for it, because we're not standing up for ourselves. [00:23:47] And I see sort of a similarity. [00:23:49] I always talk about how the leftist view of race is very sort of a weird inverted white supremacy where they go. [00:23:56] You know, white people are fine. [00:23:57] We don't have to protect ourselves. [00:23:58] We don't need any, you know, defense. [00:24:00] We're white people. [00:24:00] We'll be fine. [00:24:01] It's like, no, you won't. [00:24:02] And it's almost the same with Christianity, where it's just like, we're Christian. [00:24:04] We're all Christian. [00:24:05] It's fine. [00:24:06] It's like, no, you can go away too. [00:24:08] You deserve protection too. [00:24:09] More with Royce White on the other side. [00:24:10] Don't go anywhere. [00:24:16] Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. [00:24:17] This is The War Room. [00:24:18] I'm your host, Harrison Smith, joined by Royce White. [00:24:21] He, of course, hosts the Sunday Night Show here on InfoWars, does an incredible job with that every Sunday evening. [00:24:26] You can get to his website by going to. [00:24:29] RoyceWhite.us. [00:24:31] You can follow him on X at highwayunderscore30. [00:24:34] We're talking about all sorts of stuff, but sort of centralizing our discussion on the fact that the Bulls NBA team has waived Jaden Ivey after anti religion LGBTQ rants, is how the New York Post puts it, or as a post millennial pro sports player stand up for Jaden Ivey as he's canceled by Chicago Bulls over Christian beliefs. [00:24:53] I think that's a more accurate headline. [00:24:56] It does feel a little bit different this time, though, doesn't it, Royce? [00:24:59] I mean, we've seen this not the first time somebody's been canceled for something like this. [00:25:02] But he hasn't apologized. [00:25:03] It seems like the outrage I'm seeing is a lot more. [00:25:06] And there are a lot of pro athletes, even if they're not coming out blatantly and saying it, they're making social media posts just saying, hey, Jesus is king, you know, and just sort of signaling, hey, I stand with Jaden. [00:25:18] Does this feel different to you? [00:25:19] Does this signal a shift in the wider consciousness? [00:25:24] I think so. [00:25:25] You know, and I think overall your athletes are good. [00:25:27] Look, a part of this communist color revolution that's not really. [00:25:33] Talked about so much right now is the attempt to take some of the youngest, strongest men in our society, which some of these professional athletes are some of the most incredible human beings to ever live. [00:25:46] I mean, in the history of human civilization, some of the things they can do physically and movement wise is next to supernatural. [00:25:54] And there is a sort of cultural effect and intent to take the strongest young men amongst us and Neuter them, emasculate them, you know, and turn them into eunuchs, put them in dresses, and normalize this effeminate, which then becomes homosexual or, in the worst case scenario, transgender mentality. [00:26:20] And so I think naturally, as we track along here, people got to remember these things happen over long courses of time or sometimes over a longer course of time. [00:26:31] As we track along here, the American professional sports culture, The excellence, the mastery of skill, the hard work and discipline it takes to become a high level professional athlete is so diametrically opposed to everybody's equal egalitarianism of the far left. [00:26:54] There's naturally going to be a friction and a collision at some point. [00:26:57] I just think that this Jay Nivey story and the Christian piece of it is the fuel, is fueling something that's a powder keg already. [00:27:10] Because you can't take men who believe in merit just naturally from their career or their passion, the thing that they're good at. [00:27:21] You can't take those men and tell them everybody should be equal. [00:27:24] And then tell them, well, you're not equal if you believe in Christ. [00:27:26] It's like, what kind of racket is that? [00:27:30] So I think naturally this thing is going to unravel. [00:27:34] The question is will we be able to hold the country long enough? [00:27:37] Will we be able to even keep in the fight long enough? [00:27:41] To take back some of the institutions, right? [00:27:42] I mean, that's the whole point of deconstructing the administrative state and going against the deep state and shattering the security state and all the things that the MAGA movement said it was planning to do. [00:27:54] And some of them we're doing, some of them we haven't done. [00:27:58] I'm in favor, I'm a maximalist. [00:28:00] I'm in favor of doing radical things like let's arrest some United States senators and Supreme Court justices. [00:28:07] I think President Trump should arrest Chief Justice Roberts. [00:28:10] I always hearken people back to Abraham Lincoln suspending habeas corpus and telling Chief Justice Tawney, as the rumor goes, told Chief Justice Tawney in the United States versus Merriman decision if you release Merriman or any of these other Confederates, I'm going to arrest you next. [00:28:27] And he understood the dire. [00:28:30] Nature of the situation. [00:28:31] And I don't know that President Trump either does or that the American people have the stomach for him to go maximalist. [00:28:37] I know we all say we want that, but I kind of get the sense if he went max, over half, and maybe more than over half of the Republican caucus would sponsor his impeachment papers the next day. [00:28:53] You know, if he was to actually arrest John Thune on dereliction of duty charges for withholding secure elections from American citizens, I think your average Republican. [00:29:03] Would say that's a step too far. [00:29:05] And, you know, and I say that for a reason. [00:29:08] I use that example to draw back to the NBA. [00:29:11] I think a lot of Fox News communists look at professional sports and what happened with Colin Kaepernick, and they're so, and rightfully so, discontent with what's happened to American professional sports. [00:29:23] They say, oh, well, this is, you know, this is unacceptable. [00:29:26] Well, what if President Trump, you know, put out an executive order and we were going to, you know, bring down the hammer, you know, some harsh penalties? [00:29:34] Or sanctions on some of these companies that were anti Christian, would Republicans say that that's an overreach of the executive? [00:29:42] And I tend to think that they would. [00:29:44] So, you know, it's we find ourselves in a peculiar situation where people know what the problem is, but they don't necessarily want to take the prescription or the cure. [00:29:55] You're exactly right. [00:29:56] It's like the biggest issue we have right now is like trying to get through to the Republicans, like, what do y'all not understand about the condition that America's in, about the seriousness of the problems that we face? [00:30:07] And it's, it, Kind of goes along with. [00:30:10] I want to ask the other players on the Bulls, like, why would you not stand up for your teammate? [00:30:15] Why would you not, like, I get that it's important that you want to have your million dollar career and you don't want to cause trouble. [00:30:20] I get that would be inconvenient, but like, do you not get what's at risk here? [00:30:23] Do you not understand that, like, each one of these instances is another incremental, you know, it's another bar on the jail cell around us? [00:30:32] How do we convey to people the importance of what's going on? [00:30:35] We can, you know, I could talk to John, you know, Senator John Thune and try to explain to him, you know, what's happening. [00:30:40] At the end of the day, he's just Well, you know, it's just how it is. [00:30:42] It's just the way we do it. [00:30:43] And it's like, what do we have to do to get through to some of these people and just get them to take the necessary measures? [00:30:51] Yeah, you got to start arresting some people. [00:30:53] That's for sure. [00:30:53] It'd be a good place to start. [00:30:55] It'd be a good place to start. [00:30:56] Yeah. [00:30:56] And again, even from a cultural standpoint, when you talk about the makeup of an NBA team, half of those players on each team don't believe in God in the first place. [00:31:08] I mean, or they only casually or loosely believe in God, much like a lot of the 501c3 Christians all across our. [00:31:14] Our great nation here. [00:31:15] We don't live in a Christian nation. [00:31:17] We live in a nation that should be Christian, that was intended to be predominantly Christian, but we're so far from that, it's almost laughable at this point, right? [00:31:26] Because if you're a Christian nation, you don't let communists and Satanists and pedophiles take over just from the outset. [00:31:32] I mean, that would be a non starter. [00:31:34] It isn't a non starter. [00:31:36] So half of those players on those teams don't even believe in God. [00:31:39] The other half are frightened to lose financial security and what is a very financially insecure situation. [00:31:48] Environment nationwide. [00:31:50] I mean, we have real financial insecurity that's widespread. [00:31:54] So, I mean, imagine you're accustomed to the high life. [00:31:57] You don't want to lose that. [00:31:59] And this goes to a much deeper issue of radical materialism and communism and Marxism and the reduction of human existence down to price. [00:32:08] And we have to understand, all of us, and even President Trump. === Tyranny of Rules (14:09) === [00:32:12] That's why I don't like when he says, oh, me and President Xi have a good relationship. [00:32:15] No, you don't. [00:32:17] He wants to kill you. [00:32:18] Because, again, if Iran is being subsidized by China and an Iron Triangle alliance and the Iranians sanctioned a hit on the president, that would mean China sanctioned a hit. [00:32:29] On the president. [00:32:30] So he's not your friend. [00:32:32] But what we can definitively say about China is that they are a nation led by tyrannical and authoritarian engineers. [00:32:41] We are a nation that wanted to be a nation of ideas and laws. [00:32:45] So naturally, we're a nation led by lawyers. [00:32:48] When you put tyrannical engineers versus crony capitalist lawyers, the tyrannical engineers win nine times out of 10. [00:33:00] And so, The question we have to ask ourselves is Is there any scenario where a nation ruled by lawyers, in general, lawyers, can beat a nation ruled by tyrannical engineers? [00:33:12] I think the answer is yes, but the premium on the rule of law and the integrity of the institutions that uphold the rule of law has to be almost unimpeachable, unassailable. [00:33:23] And we're so far from that, that in and of itself is almost a concession to our defeat by the Chinese. [00:33:31] Because we don't, I mean, we're inverted. [00:33:34] We think of the law as something that should, you know, almost axiomatically be corrupt. [00:33:39] Like, yeah, well, it's the law, of course. [00:33:41] It's pay to play. [00:33:42] I mean, if you can't afford a good lawyer, of course the judge is going to slap you, hit you with the book. [00:33:47] Alex Jones in a civil case where we're going to, you owe a billion dollars. [00:33:51] I mean, this thing is, I thought it was out of control then, right? [00:33:54] When Alex Jones was sued and they awarded a billion dollars, I said, oh, tyranny, right? [00:34:01] And people kind of looked at it, even on the right, and said, well, yeah, Alex Jones deserved it. [00:34:05] He shouldn't have been. [00:34:06] Running his mouth like that. [00:34:07] Well, now you get a Christian, young Christian man who says, Hey, the LGBTQ is a little unrighteous, and the NBA drops, you know, throws a book at him, you know, metaphorically. [00:34:20] And then the same conservatives who okayed Alex Jones being sued into oblivion are now mad that the Christian can't say what he wants. [00:34:29] What don't you people get? [00:34:30] They're all connected. [00:34:32] I mean, it's all connected to the same communist color revolution. [00:34:37] Yeah, that has to hollow out our country, has to undermine our foundational beliefs. [00:34:43] And they often do it by sort of using our own beliefs against us. [00:34:48] And I mean, this is something I say all the time is like, you're not a good person for being taken advantage of. [00:34:53] People really think that it's like mean to defend yourself. [00:34:56] It's mean to lay down the law. [00:34:58] It's like, no, mercy to the guilty is violence to the innocent, right? [00:35:03] You have to be hardcore about this stuff. [00:35:05] And you're right. [00:35:06] I don't understand how we've, How we've gone so far off the mark. [00:35:10] And it seems like, especially, I mean, even like when arguing with the leftists, it's like, all right, you like all these things like welfare and the government money come to you. [00:35:19] Shouldn't they be the ones who are concerned about the fraud? [00:35:22] They don't care about the fraud for some reason. [00:35:23] It's like, we have to have more hardcore laws here. [00:35:27] We have to have people stick to it. [00:35:28] The judges won't convict anybody. [00:35:31] Somebody just stole tens of millions of dollars. [00:35:33] This woman, Zamzam, her name is Zamzam. [00:35:36] She was just convicted. [00:35:38] I think $40 million, if I'm not mistaken, that she stole. [00:35:41] She was asked to pay back less than half a million dollars. [00:35:43] She'll spend six months in prison. [00:35:45] By August this year, she'll be back in Somalia with tens of millions of stolen dollars. [00:35:50] And it's like, that's the justice system. [00:35:51] Meanwhile, I'm sure you've heard the story a guy's facing 10 years for cheating in a fishing tournament. [00:35:56] It's like everything. [00:35:57] Has gone off the rails, Royce. [00:35:59] Like, how, and the problem is that our system is so broken now, it's opening up an opportunity for the communists, for the radicals, for the revolutionaries to come in and go, this system's messed up. [00:36:09] You need us. [00:36:10] You need our new amazing system that I promise is going to make everything right. [00:36:14] How do we fix the system while still trying to uphold the system? [00:36:17] We don't want to tear it down. [00:36:18] We want to fix it. [00:36:19] It's a complicated issue. [00:36:20] How do we approach this? [00:36:22] I think the reason why people are willing to put up with it is because they enjoy the benefits. [00:36:28] As I said about the Somali community, I did this PBS Frontline interview, and I said, people crave tyranny. [00:36:36] And the interviewer at the time, I know him, I've known him for many years now. [00:36:39] He works for PBS or he's an independent contractor. [00:36:41] Anyway, he's like, Well, I don't want tyranny. [00:36:44] I don't want to live under a tyrant. [00:36:46] I go, Yeah, so you say. [00:36:48] I mean, Aristotle's fifth book of politics tells us that women and slaves love tyrants. [00:36:53] We got a lot of women running this country, but we also have a lot of slaves, debt slaves, wage slaves, right? [00:36:58] So, I mean, I think the dark truth is, People crave tyranny because it's convenient and it's easy. [00:37:07] It's easy, yeah. [00:37:08] And we take the benefits. [00:37:11] It's like the Somali community, for example. [00:37:13] Oh, ICE is terrorizing us. [00:37:15] Oh, the federal government's overreaching. [00:37:17] This is tyranny. [00:37:18] Well, you accept the subsidies. [00:37:21] You can't have it both ways. [00:37:22] You can't have a government that's inflated well beyond its rightful size and think that tyranny isn't going to, you're not going to feel the sting of tyranny. [00:37:34] And then say, oh, well, but it's okay because I still get my social programs. [00:37:39] And that's the left right now. [00:37:41] Of course, they don't care if Somalis, because we're printing more money. [00:37:44] As long as they get their snap benefits, they don't care if, and this is the danger. [00:37:49] This is what they would call in the financial sector moral hazard, right? [00:37:53] The sort of subtle unintended consequences of certain financial instruments and mechanisms. [00:38:00] Like, if you're going to print money and there's no penalty, no real penalty or consequences, For stealing money or losing money, Department of Defense, hey, we lost another two trillion. [00:38:11] What the hell? [00:38:12] Doesn't matter. [00:38:12] If there's no consequences, as I've said for many years, even when I was back on Jason Whitlock's show, when your government steals, everybody steals. [00:38:21] See, this is how the Republicans really get us, though. [00:38:24] They want our political identity to be attached to the cultural wedge issues just as much as the left, because it's easy for them to control the narrative around cultural wedge issues. [00:38:35] Even the LGBTQ, women playing in men's sports, my Senate opponent Michelle Tafoya, her whole campaign is we got to get men out of women's sports. [00:38:43] It's like, you want to be a United States Senate. [00:38:46] And I get that's ridiculous and an abomination that we've allowed that to happen, but talk to me about monetary policy. [00:38:52] Talk to me about foreign policy. [00:38:54] Talk to me about legacy institutions that have generations of corruption throughout. [00:38:59] Don't talk to me about a couple of weird, tranny dudes playing in sports. [00:39:03] That goes without saying, right? [00:39:05] Or should. [00:39:06] But the Fox News MO is. [00:39:11] Pay attention to the young black men who are, you know, snatching bags out of department stores. [00:39:16] It's like, well, you know, you could take every black person in America and add up all the merchandise they've stolen for the last 100 years, and it wouldn't be a drop in the bucket for $2 trillion that the Department of Defense just misplaced. [00:39:30] Right? [00:39:30] And it's like, well, those two things aren't connected. [00:39:32] It's like, oh, really, Mark Levin? [00:39:33] They're not connected? [00:39:34] Oh, sure. [00:39:35] Sure, buddy. [00:39:36] You know, let's just go by the quantitative measure. [00:39:42] The more money you steal, the greater penalty. [00:39:44] You know, there shouldn't be a reprieve for stealing more money. [00:39:47] It's like the difference between white collar crime and blue collar crime. [00:39:50] It's like, well, you know, they only stole money in the stock exchange. [00:39:54] It's like, well, that has a real world. [00:39:57] That has a real world effect on people. [00:39:59] Like, where are we getting off letting these white collar, cosmopolitan, omnisexual globalists get away with this financial racket? [00:40:08] Racketeering is what it is. [00:40:09] Through our own military industrial complex, we pay for it. [00:40:11] But, you know, people have to wake up and get wise to that. [00:40:14] And if they did, you'd never vote for a Gavin Newsom again. [00:40:18] Like, oh, I revere Israel. [00:40:19] It's like, fuck off, buddy. [00:40:21] You know, you don't, what a jerk off, right? [00:40:24] I mean, but it's all of them, right? [00:40:26] It's all of them. [00:40:27] But then it's so bad, even Massey. [00:40:29] And I've asked this question a number of times. [00:40:31] Maybe you can help me out with the thinking. [00:40:34] See, even Massey, who I like and I agree with a lot, it's just like, well, the Congress is captured, 95% captured. [00:40:42] But then you want the president to come to the Congress and ask them for permission to do anything. [00:40:46] It's like, wouldn't that be a concession to the capture? [00:40:49] And I get it. [00:40:50] It's like, well, we got to follow the rules. [00:40:52] It's like, no, no, you guys didn't play sports. [00:40:55] When a scuffle breaks out in the middle of a game, there are no more rules. [00:40:59] Yep. [00:41:00] There are no more. [00:41:01] When I get hit with that bean pitch and I storm the mound, we're emptying these dugouts. [00:41:06] And the only way we go back to the rules is if both teams say, we've had enough. [00:41:11] We want to return back to the rules. [00:41:13] Then you can go back to the previous rules. [00:41:15] But until then, the rules are effectively suspended. [00:41:20] This is a blood sport now in basketball, and don't even talk about MMA. [00:41:24] But that's kind of my mentality there's a suspension of the rules. [00:41:29] The left suspended them, the communists suspended them, the globalists suspended them. [00:41:32] The only one playing by the rules are the doormat Christians and the conservatives. [00:41:36] And they're doing it themselves. [00:41:38] Like we're doing it ourselves. [00:41:39] We're enforcing it on ourselves. [00:41:40] And I think you're exactly right because our whole system depends on precedent, right? [00:41:45] And this is always the excuse from the Republicans is, well, we can't do that because what if they come back and do it to us? [00:41:51] That doesn't work when the left routinely does things that are unprecedented, routinely does things that have no precedent at all in law or justice or morality or anything. [00:42:00] And then Republicans refuse to return the favor. [00:42:03] Because, you know, like you said, like once the scuffle breaks out, You know, it's all bets are off, clear the dugouts, let's go. [00:42:09] But even in smaller ways, it's like if you're playing on team and they go, oh, well, we don't play that. [00:42:14] We don't play offsides. [00:42:15] We don't play whatever it is. [00:42:17] You know, we do a change rule. [00:42:18] And it's like, okay, that's the new rule. [00:42:20] Now you have to play by that. [00:42:21] So, okay, if they want to throw people in jail for January 6th, I guess that's the new rule. [00:42:26] I guess we have to play by that. [00:42:27] And that actually is the reason why, you know, the precedent setting works is because we need Democrats to go, ooh, if we do that, they're going to do it to us. [00:42:36] But they know we're not going to do it to them, so they can do whatever the hell they want. [00:42:39] And Republicans will sit there following the rules that are no longer valid. [00:42:44] Yes, no, that's 100% right. [00:42:46] And we just got to get some toughness and grit. [00:42:49] I said it the other day about when I did the show on Sunday about the 1776 mantra so often invoked by conservatives. [00:42:57] And it's like, well, you know, what about law enforcement? [00:43:00] I mean, we have a default position on the right that comes from the conservative Fox News communists that says anything a cop tells you to do ever, you should just listen, you should obey. [00:43:12] It's like, excuse me, what did you just say? [00:43:15] What if they tell me I have to take a vaccine or provide my vaccine mandate papers? [00:43:19] Do I still have to obey and listen? [00:43:21] Oh, well, that wouldn't happen. [00:43:22] Oh, really? [00:43:24] Mark Levin, you're vaccinated, buddy. [00:43:26] I mean, and we know it. [00:43:27] And I don't mean to keep picking on him, but he has become sort of the titular head of Conservative Inc. and the messaging and narrative. [00:43:37] And it's just like, where do these people get off with these type of brazen contradictions? [00:43:41] Their logic is so flawed. [00:43:43] And the fact that people are even willing to listen to them, let alone follow them, is a sign of a decadent culture. [00:43:50] But I hope we could turn it around. [00:43:53] You can't preclude miracles, especially during Holy Week, right? [00:43:56] Christ is risen, and miracles are possible. [00:43:59] So, we could turn it around, but we need some hellacious fighters right now to step up and just say things like you are. [00:44:04] If you support the war in Israel, you're a communist. [00:44:06] Why? [00:44:07] Socialism and communism are only a degree away, and we're socializing the risk of our phony money in order to fund the war. [00:44:13] So, you're just as much of a socialist as the Somalis who stole state taxpayer money. [00:44:19] Yeah. [00:44:20] Or just stand on the First Amendment and go, sorry, you don't have a right to tell me what I can and can't say. [00:44:25] I don't care if you think it's hateful, I don't care if you think it's anti Semitic. [00:44:28] I get to say what I want. [00:44:29] And actually, It's those things that are hateful or anti Semitic or whatever. [00:44:32] That is literally the reason the First Amendment was written. [00:44:35] Obviously, it is the thing that gives Jews the right to practice their religion and Catholics the right to practice their religion. [00:44:41] It also, incumbent in that right, is the right for everybody else to criticize, mock, denigrate. [00:44:46] It doesn't matter. [00:44:48] It's the same rule that gives both of these rights to the American people. [00:44:52] And that is where the biggest threat is coming from, as far as I can see it. [00:44:55] The push for anti Semitism, anti Semitism laws, and the hatred of Christianity and the discrimination against Christians. [00:45:02] I mean, this is a major problem. [00:45:03] That we have to identify and fight against. [00:45:06] What's the best way to do that, do you think? [00:45:09] Well, I just think we're at a point now where we can't rely on the Supreme Court or any other courts to adjudicate that type of justice or fairness, interpretation of the laws that we already have. [00:45:25] A commander in chief, a warrior philosopher, is going to have to take power in this country at some point and bring down the hammer. [00:45:34] Now, I'm not ever for rounding people up and having, you know, kangaroo witch hunt lawfare or weaponized courts. [00:45:41] But, you know, some of these things are sort of explicitly anti Christian, anti American, anti human. [00:45:48] It's like, look at what happened in Spain. [00:45:50] Euthanasia? [00:45:51] I mean, where are we headed? [00:45:53] We know where we're headed. [00:45:54] We're looking at the inevitability of what we will become when we see a euthanization carried out on a 24 year old young, healthy bodied, abled woman. [00:46:05] In Spain and Europe. [00:46:06] And then we're paying to subsidize their territorial integrity. [00:46:10] It's like at the moment where they lose the sanctity of life, we should be pulling out of NATO. [00:46:16] And that should just be a matter of principle and morality. [00:46:19] But we don't have that moral structure. === Truth vs Blasphemy (04:20) === [00:46:21] Okay, fine. [00:46:22] If the rules are there are no morals, then let's just call it that. [00:46:26] Let's just say that. [00:46:27] I mean, but let's not say we're going to fight a war for Israel on behalf of Christianity and our morals. [00:46:34] It's like, No, you're not. [00:46:36] No. [00:46:36] I mean, who do you think you're? [00:46:38] Come on. [00:46:40] Don't even say that. [00:46:41] Like, it actually, I'd rather you just come out and say, we don't give a damn about the morals or the ethics. [00:46:47] There are no rules. [00:46:48] There are no morals. [00:46:49] We're going to win the Darwinian game. [00:46:52] And that's just the way we're playing it. [00:46:53] Okay, now we can have a better conversation. [00:46:56] But when you undermine the Christian ethic at a fundamental level, you have abnegated your legitimacy to say that it's in a pursuit of a Christian ethic. [00:47:05] Formulation of thought or culture. [00:47:08] That's just blasphemy, is what it is in Holy Week here. [00:47:11] That, my friends, is blasphemy. [00:47:13] And we see it everywhere. [00:47:14] It's absolutely constant and ridiculous. [00:47:18] Just incredible stuff. [00:47:19] Royce White is my guest. [00:47:20] Roycewhite.us is the website, at highway underscore 30 on X. [00:47:25] And of course, you're running for Senate. [00:47:27] How can people help you with that? [00:47:29] Any events coming up? [00:47:30] Anything you need people to know about your campaign? [00:47:31] Yes, U.S. Senate. [00:47:33] I'm running for U.S. Senate again. [00:47:34] Tina Smith, open seat, running hopefully against the Democrat, Lieutenant Governor Peggy Flanagan, protect trans rights with the knife. [00:47:40] Angie Craig, $3 million from APAC. [00:47:43] On my side, you got Michelle Tafoya, pro choice, pro Zionist. [00:47:46] And you got Adam Schwarze, 20 year naval vet, recently the CIA, pro life, pro Zionist. [00:47:52] I mean, they're trying to pincer me at every angle here. [00:47:54] Right. [00:47:54] They got you at every corner. [00:47:57] But hey, I'm just a dumb black Negro from the neighborhood and I'm America first. [00:48:01] So I guess that makes me persona non grata. [00:48:03] And I wear it as a badge of honor. [00:48:04] Come see me and Mike Lindale at Wisetta Middle School if you're in Minnesota on April 8th. [00:48:09] Well, we need more people like you in the government, man. [00:48:13] We wouldn't be in this situation in the first place if we had more. [00:48:16] RoyceWhite.us at highway underscore three zero on X. 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